scampton rwanda seekers in raf scampton rwanda scheme rehomed berlin is considering deporting migrants to british funded facilities in rwanda prisons for higher british prisoners could serve their sentences in estonian jails under a plan being considered by ministers and britain's best brew , which britain's best brew, which budget teabag has been declared superior to the big name brands? >> we will reveal that later . on. >> are you a tea or coffee person or a coffee in the morning? >> tea in the afternoons? a little earl grey after lunch. always find. can't just enjoy. it'll do the business. >> can't do coffee. in a terrible incident that happened at school. i'll tell you about that later. >> you're too full of energy for coffee. who needs it? can't do it. you don't need that. >> you don't need. who do you think's britain's best tea brand, >> for me, it's got to be a twinings. earl grey. really free

pr for them on britain's newsroom this morning. >> very good. well, i'll drink it as long as it hasn't got caffeine. yeah, well, you've heard our views on coffee and tea, but we'd love to hear what you think. >> so send your views, post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, here's our news with sam francis. >> charlie nana. thank you very much indeed. good morning to you. it'sjust much indeed. good morning to you. it's just coming much indeed. good morning to you. it'sjust coming up much indeed. good morning to you. it's just coming up to 9:32. the top story this morning, the home secretary is set to lead a summit to address the escalating crisis of people smuggling across the english channel. that meeting comes in response to a tragic incident this week, where 12 lives were lost when a boat capsized in the deadliest crossing so far this yeah deadliest crossing so far this year. yvette cooper will be joined by key cabinet ministers, intelligence officials and law enforcement agencies to target criminal smuggling networks. she says there is a moral imperative to act and wants to see tighter collaboration with european partners. with over 21,000 arrivals so far this year, the

summit will also focus on enhancing the new border security command . germany is security command. germany is considering using british funded facilities in rwanda to deport migrants entering the eu illegally. it comes as berlin faces mounting pressure to kerb illegal migration following last month's isis linked stabbing at a festival . germany's special a festival. germany's special representative for migration agreements thinks that the eu should repurpose the asylum facilities that britain set up, which were recently scrapped by sir keir starmer's government . sir keir starmer's government. the uk is sending 650 missiles to ukraine in a £160 million boost to its defence against russia. john healey, making his first appearance as defence secretary overseas, will make the announcement at a summit in germany later. the missiles are part of a larger £3 billion aid package from the uk to ukraine, and will be delivered by the end of this year . and will be delivered by the end of this year. scotland is setting new boundaries to give women unobstructed access to

abortion services from the 24th of september, the abortion services act will make it a criminal offence to interfere with or harass anyone accessing or providing abortion services within 200m of designated facilities. that law aims to safeguard women and staff from intimidation and distress around hospitals or clinics . in the us, hospitals or clinics. in the us, officials have arrested the father of a 14 year old accused of a deadly school shooting in a rare move. colin grey faces multiple charges, including involuntary manslaughter, for allegedly allowing his to son access the weapon that was used in that attack that sadly killed four and wounded nine others. investigators have revealed that both the 54 year old and his son had previously been questioned in 2023 over online threats about carrying out a school shooting. the teenager colt grey, 14 years old, used a semi—automatic rifle in the incident and will be tried as an adult. and of course, it wouldn't be a news bulletin

without some weather for you. southern england and south wales are in for a wet end to the week, as heavy rain brings the risk of travel disruption and some possible flooding . the met some possible flooding. the met office has issued a yellow weather warning in place until midnight tonight, following downpours that have already affected some parts of devon. commuters are also being warned to prepare for challenging driving conditions and possible road closures, but temperatures could reach 27 c in parts of scotland, potentially making it the warmest day of the year so far. those are the latest headunes far. those are the latest headlines for now. i'll be back with you for a full roundup at the top of the hour. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> good morning. 35 minutes after 9:00. hello and welcome.

this is britain's newsroom live across the united kingdom on gb news with charlie peters and me. nana akua. >> well, first up, home secretary yvette cooper is chairing a summit today to discuss to how tackle criminal gangs involved in smuggling people across the english channelin people across the english channel in small boats. >> labour has abandoned the rwanda migration plan in favour of smashing the gangs, but the prime minister could live to regret that decision as it emerges that germany is considering deporting migrants to british funding facilities in rwanda. >> well, the gb news political correspondent olivia utley joins us from the national crime agency, where the summit will take place. olivia, what are we expecting to hear from the home secretary later today ? secretary later today? >> well, it's a very impressive cast of people who the home secretary has gathered today for this meeting. there are various ministers there, the foreign secretary, the justice secretary. then you've got people from the crown prosecution service, from border security, from the national crime agency itself. but in

terms of what we're actually expecting to hear, well, to be honest, it's all sounding a little bit woolly. it's not really about new policy announcements. it's about as yvette cooper has said, sort of pushing the wind behind the sails of labour's plan to stop the gangs. it's essentially just talking about the moral imperative to make sure that this happens . well, talking's this happens. well, talking's all very well, but the figures sort of speak for themselves. there have been 22,000 small boat crossings this year, including 8000 since labour took office in july. and what makes this more difficult for the labour government is that, as you mentioned in the headlines there, germany is thinking of adopting some of the facilities that were paid for by the british taxpayer for the rwanda scheme in order to temporarily house migrants who have arrived illegally in germany. now it's slightly different. i don't think we can say straight up that the german government is essentially planning to adopt the entire rwanda scheme. the rwanda scheme involves deporting

migrants who arrived here illegally to rwanda forever, and there wouldn't be an option for them to come back to the uk if they're if their claims were assessed as valid, whereas the german plan would be about processing those migrant claims in a third country and then accepting asylum seekers into rwanda. but, you know, that's a little bit semantic, because the point is, there could be a situation in just a few months time where migrants who arrive illegally in germany are sent over to rwanda and temporarily housed in places that were paid for by the british taxpayer. now thatis for by the british taxpayer. now that is very awkward indeed for keir starmer. he was resolute on day one that he would scrap the rwanda plan, throw it all completely out of the window and replace it with this strategy for smashing the gangs. smashing the gangs is obviously much easier said than done, and it could be that the prime minister ends up coming under a lot of criticism for choosing to throw out the rwanda policy, which, although far from perfect, we

should mention that in the two years between when it was mooted and when the general election was called, not a single migrant was called, not a single migrant was actually sent to rwanda. it was actually sent to rwanda. it was at least a plan for a deterrent strategy. and that's something which so far the labour government doesn't really seem to have . seem to have. >> it is interesting that it's a national crime agency kind of summit, where they're all getting together, but this is an international problem as keir starmer got any will there be any members from other countries talking with keir starmer in this or any other collaborations that they're talking about, or is it just simply just the british government chatting about their border command, control and all the other potential things that they're thinking about setting up ? thinking about setting up? >> well, the prime minister has been talking to the albanian authorities and it sounds as though some deal might be agreed with albania. that was something which the previous prime minister rishi sunak, also did, and it did actually have a big effect on the number of albanian small boat migrants coming over here in 2023. the number of

albanians reduced by 70%. the problem is that there is essentially an endless flow of migrants, illegal migrants who want to come to britain . so you want to come to britain. so you cut off the albanian migrants coming over here. and what we ended up with last year was an enormous number of vietnamese migrants coming over here, and that just shows what an endless and big problem this is for the prime minister. he talks about smashing the gangs, but that's that's just much , much easier that's just much, much easier said than done. you can't sort of take out the top boss of a big gang like you might see on a, on a crime drama in the evening, and that's the problem solved. these are small, nimble gangs with 3 or 4 people moving up and down the channel, moving up and down the channel, moving up and down the channel, moving up and down the beaches, all of the time, setting up, closing down again. it's not easy to take out these gangs. perhaps we'll hear more when yvette cooper finishes this meeting today, but i wouldn't bank on it. >> olivia utley. thank you very much. well, that summit comes after the home office announced

the government is scrapping plans to use raf scampton as housing for asylum seekers, and that's after £60 million was put into fixing up the site. >> well, joining us from raf scampton this morning is the gb news east midlands reporter, will hollis. good morning will what's been the local reaction to this update from angela eagle and the labour government on closing down this site? i mean, you've been involved in this story, right? from the start . story, right? from the start. >> good morning. yes, from the start there has been opposition from not just local people who live on the wire of the former raf base scampton, but also from the local district council, west lindsey, which had an expectation that £300 million worth of regeneration would be spent on the site, turning it into what they describe as a world class heritage centre. and that was all put in jeopardy when the announcement came from the former conservative government that the expectation instead would be 2000 asylum

seekers moving into the former dambusters air base. so, as you can imagine, it's been elation and celebration from the local people that have spent 18 months campaigning, as well as protesting here outside of the gates , particularly this stretch gates, particularly this stretch along the a15, there was makeshift huts , different makeshift huts, different communities, sometimes communities, sometimes communities that were at odds with each other, and tensions often boiled or boiled over. but what we know now from the new labour government, not so new now , the two month old labour now, the two month old labour government, is that they will be scrapping the plan to house asylum seekers here, which is what they always said in campaigning to become the elected government. and as i say, that means that a lot of people here, particularly at west lindsey district council, are quite happy, including the director of planning and regeneration, sally grindrod smith . smith. >> well, we've heard is what we've been working really hard for, for 18 months is to secure the future of the site. >> and today we've learned that

the site will no longer be part of the asylum programme, and it will be disposed of, and therefore we can use our regeneration plans and proposals to move forward . to move forward. >> this is the front gates of the former raf scampton airbase. if you were to go about ten minutes walk inside, you would find rows and rows of modular housing facilities that had been built for 2000 asylum seekers . built for 2000 asylum seekers. that was downgraded to approximately 800 asylum seekers. and now it will be no asylum seekers moving into scampton. not a single one has stepped foot inside of those gates. the labour government says, despite £60 million being spent on the former raf airbase, it is not value for money for the taxpayer. and between now and 2027, the £121 million that would have been spent can be better spent elsewhere . better spent elsewhere. >> well, hollis, thank you very much. interesting stuff. so the scrapping it. but they've not i've not i'm not here where the

where they're going to send asylum seekers. what i did hear is going to be they're going to be dispersed into the community, which is all very well. but you don't know who these people are . don't know who these people are. you haven't done the necessary checks and balances. so you don't know who's coming across. and we have got a lot of spates of crime, and we have a we have a good story later on in this programme about what can happen when those checks go wrong and when those checks go wrong and when there's so much system failure in processing those claims. >> well , the government have >> well, the government have said that they have deported some 400 people since they came into power. on one flight, the largest ever deportation flight. so they would say they're making some moves, but at the same time, you've got hundreds arriving every single day. >> 965 i think it was yesterday. what are they going to do about that? but they're saying they're going to process it quickly. but with the scampton situation, i'm concerned that people are being joyous too quickly because i suspect they might build a prison there. do you think so? i think that's what i think . think that's what i think. they'll build a prison there. but then at least the people are housed in closed. they can't sort of roam around. well, maybe we will. >> holders will have another local campaign to report on. if

that does go ahead. >> well, stay with us because up next reports reveal the gunman who fired shots outside the israeli israeli consulate was a known islamist. more of that after the break here with britain's newsroom on

gb news. >> well, it's 947. this is britain's newsroom on gb news and a gunman shot dead by police in central munich has been identified as an 18 year old austrian national believed to have been living in austria. according to police. >> authorities are still investigating the suspect's motive, but german media is reporting that he was a known islamist. and that's according to the bild newspaper. islamist propaganda was found on the man's phone with the case. was dropped by the austrian public prosecutor's office.

>> well, joining us now down the line is the assistant online editor for the spectator, lisa hazeldine and lisa, we have seen a lot of coverage of recent islamist threats in germany. do you think that they're getting a grip of the problem at the moment ? moment? >> yeah. that's right. there have been several, particularly in the last sort of 3 to 4 months. i think it's something that has been overwhelming. the german authorities a little bit, because there clearly aren't on the front foot with dealing with these.i the front foot with dealing with these. i mean, i'm sure as with, you know, i'm sure there'll be plenty that they're thwarting these attacks. but there are quite a few that have been getting through, and they all do seem to be, perpetrators who have been radicalised and want to, yeah, sort of send a message. i suppose. in fact, the one that took place in solingen in august in germany that was claimed by isis. so yeah, it's definitely a problem. and i don't necessarily think that the german authorities quite have a grip on it yet. >> and you've also been

reporting a lot on the rise of the afd, particularly in the east of germany. and lots of commentators around europe are describing this party as far right and extreme. do you think that definition is fair, considering some of the threats that germany is going through and the problems they're having with migration and integration? >> yeah, i do think i do think it's a fair label there. there are, as you mentioned , problems are, as you mentioned, problems at the moment in terms of sort of integration in germany , and of integration in germany, and particularly with the sort of the quite sharp rise in migration that the country has seen in the past ten years. but the politicians who particularly who lead the regional branches in thuringen and saxony, they are very happy to flirt with nazi ideology, nazi sort of, symbolism and they speak using rhetoric that is incredibly inflammatory. so i do think particularly given germany's history, particularly given the fact that there are politicians within the party who are so to happy basically dance on the line of acceptability with, the sort of nazi symbolism. i do

think that is fair to call them extremists. >> so, lisa, if we come back to the shooting so we hear that the person was an islamist, they had propaganda on their phone or in their home. can you tell us a bit more about what they knew about this person ? about this person? >> yeah. that's right. so he, as you mentioned in your report, he was 18, there have been reports in the german press that he was known to the police in austria, particularly for having sort of attacked classmates during his time at school. so he was already coming onto the police radar as it were. and then beyond that , it was since become beyond that, it was since become it has since become obvious as well that he was being radicalised, sort of, through islamist forums. so, yeah . it is islamist forums. so, yeah. it is difficult to say because the german police haven't given that much information. they're still investigating it. but so far it's definitely the case that he was on the police radar in the

run up to this attack or event. >> sorry. and lisa, we have seen, i think you'll agree, a hardening of the language and the policies from the federal government, potentially as a rise of the afd. but do you think their new measures are going to attract some of those voters moving towards the right? i mean, we've seen the interior minister touting a knife free zones to deal with the terrorism threat. i mean, i think lots of people might see that and say that's not sufficient. the problem we have is integration and extremism, not knives. >> yeah, definitely. i think this will draw more people towards the afd. the party will definitely be capitalising on this . and yeah, i think it's this. and yeah, i think it's reasonable that that, you know, the members of the german public feel quite nervous about this and the fact that there have been at least three sort of, attacks that have either come very close to taking place or have indeed taken place over the past sort of 3 to 4 months. i think it's very much at the forefront of people's minds. so yeah, i think the german, the federal government, it's once again on their agenda, they've interestingly, once again begun discussing the idea of how they could perhaps deport illegal migrants to the country. they've

even apparently begun talks with rwanda to take on their, to take on the infrastructure that the british government has abandoned. now that labour government has come in and scrapped our rwanda scheme, so yeah, it will be interesting to see how this goes on, particularly as it is now sort of such a big focus for the federal government in berlin will be very interesting to observe. >> i'm sure they will snap up our rwanda plan. lisa haszeldine, thank you very much. she's the assistant online editor for the spectator. well, lots of you have been getting in touch with your views. gbnews.com/yoursay this one from colette. colette says starmer. labour have acted swiftly to close down any mass immigration or illegal migrant con conversation by calling us far right , and conversation by calling us far right, and will make any debate about islamophobia illegal too, so they will disperse them. these obviously those around the uk and we can't say anything. that's the view , the sort of that's the view, the sort of silencing of people. i mean, that's a view held by a lot of

people in terms of not allowing us to speak. >> there's an interesting line here from claire jones at how to smash the gangs. is easy with no customers. there are no gangs. turn back the boats and they will soon have no customers. i think it's a it's an interesting insight. i mean, we always compare, i think on this channel, the issue with the small boats crisis and the people smuggling gangs to the drug smuggling industry, these are both billion dollar industries. >> the slave trade as well. it's ultimately these a lot of the people end up in the human slavery things as well. >> and as olivia says, these are these aren't , you know, small, these aren't, you know, small, weak gangs. they're organised enterprise. >> he also said that they are small sort of groups of people or clusters , which i don't know or clusters, which i don't know how. keir starmer smashes. it'll be very interesting to see how he does it. but still to come. yeah. >> british prisoners could serve their sentences in estonian jails under a plan being considered by ministers. we'll have more on that coming up after the break. yeah >> we'll stay tuned. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. we are live online, on tv and on digital radio. get your thoughts and we'll post your comments.

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and parts of south wales, but there is a weather warning for a large stretch of southern england and south wales through friday evening, so england and south wales through friday evening , so expect some friday evening, so expect some travel disruption as it's been raining for a couple of days now across these areas, continuing to see that different story into the evening across northern ireland and western scotland. plenty of fine weather and it's probably going to be quite a mild night actually, across western parts of the north west, across the far north of scotland though, and the east will see some hard starting to move in overnight. with that easterly wind. and that will likely bring . wind. and that will likely bring. a fairly murky start to eastern areas of the north through saturday morning. further south, this band of rain will become a much weaker feature, so some respite to the heavy rain, but quite a lot of cloud around still so wherever you are, a fairly mild start to saturday, so slightly drier start to the day , but further outbreaks of day, but further outbreaks of rain are to come on saturday. i think saturday will be the drier day more widely of the weekend, but we'll likely see some heavy showers breaking out across central areas of england, parts of wales throughout the

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gb news. >> ooh, it's 10:00 on friday the >> ooh, it's10:00 on friday the 6th of september. live across the united kingdom. this is britain's newsroom with charlie peters and nana akua prisons for hire. >> british prisoners could serve their sentences in estonian jails. now, that is under a plan being considered by ministers. >> small boat summit the home secretary will chair a meeting with ministers and law enforcement today to discuss plans to tackle smuggling gangs. >> scampton scrapped labour, ditches plans to house asylum

seekers in raf scampton and is the rwanda scheme being rehomed? >> germany is considering deporting migrants to british funded facilities in the east african nation. >> britain's best ever brew which budget tea bag has been declared superior to the big name? brands, will reveal that later. this . later. this. >> lovely dancing bear nana. you just missed that little dance to the music. >> we always enjoy that. yes. yes. >> well, there could be dancing off to estonia. some prisoners shortly. >> i think it's a bit of a false economy, though, because. hold your horses. it might sound like 10 or £20,000 prisoner, but then you've got to counter in. their family might come to visit the visitation. some prison wardens there as well. >> well, these these issues have been touted for years, so perhaps not so confident this is going to land this time, but we'll see. >> and anyway, what are they

doing in estonia that their jails are empty? well, we'd love to hear what you think. send us your views. post your comments. i'd be more interested in that gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, let's get your news with sam francis . francis. >> charlie nana. thank you very much indeed. good morning to you. just coming up to 10:02. and on the topic of prisons, just a very quick breaking line to bring you from the ministry of justice that the number of people in prisons in england and wales has hit another record high in just the last few minutes. we received the latest figures from the ministry of justice. it stands now at 88,521 people across england, and wales. that is now a record high that number had been climbing for the last three years, but as i say, it now hits 88,521 people in prison across the country. in other news, though, the home secretary is leading a summit today to address the escalating

crisis of people smuggling across the english channel. the meeting comes in response to a tragic incident this week where 12 lives were lost when a boat capsized in the deadliest crossing so far this year. yvette cooper will be joined by key cabinet ministers, intelligence officials and law enforcement agencies to target criminal smuggling networks. she says there's a moral imperative to act and wants to see tighter collaboration with european partners. with over 21,000 arrivals so far this year, the summit will also focus on enhancing the new border security command . germany is security command. germany is considering using british funded facilities in rwanda to deport migrants entering the european union illegally. it comes as berlin is facing mounting pressure to kerb illegal migration following last month's isis linked stabbing at a festival. germany's special representative for migration agreements thinks the eu should repurpose the asylum facilities that britain set up, which were recently scrapped by the labour

government . mps and campaigners government. mps and campaigners in lincolnshire are celebrating the decision to scrap plans to house migrants at raf scampton. the government claims it fails to represent value for money for the taxpayer. the former lincolnshire airbase was estimated to have cost £200 million by 2027, 60 million of which has been spent so far. the government will now close and sell the site, focusing instead on what it's calling faster asylum processing and border security improvements. well, our east midlands reporter, will hollis, has been speaking to charlie and nana outside raf scampton. >> the labour government says despite £60 million being spent on the former raf airbase, it is not value for money for the taxpayer and between now and 2027, the £121 million that would have been spent can be better spent elsewhere. >> a royal navy investigation is continuing today after a helicopter ditched in the

engush helicopter ditched in the english channel during a night flying exercise. sadly killing one crew member. the incident happened near dorset on wednesday night during a training exercise with hms queen elizabeth. two other crew members were rescued and taken to hospital. the family of the victims has been informed, while both the prime minister, sir keir starmer, and the defence secretary have said they are deeply saddened to hear about his tragic death. well, the merlin mk4 helicopter is used by the royal marines globally and experts will now be assessing the fleet for any technical issues. the uk is sending 650 missiles to ukraine in a £160 million boost to its defence against russia. john healey, making his first, excuse me, his first appearance as defence secretary, will make the announcement at a summit in germany later. the missiles are part of a larger £3 billion aid package and will be delivered by the end of the year. it's reported that vladimir putin has said he is open to peace talks

with ukraine, but with conditions. after more than two years of conflict, the russian president suggested he's ready to renegotiate a previously failed deal from talks in istanbul earlier in the war. at the eastern economic forum, putin has suggested that china, india and brazil could be mediators for negotiations. it comes just weeks after ukraine's surprise attack on russian soil, which kyiv has claimed shifts the balance in their favour . the balance in their favour. scotland is setting new boundanes scotland is setting new boundaries to give women unobstructed access to abortion services. from the 24th of this month, the abortion services act will make it a criminal offence to interfere with or harass anyone accessing or providing abortion services within 200m of designated facilities. that law aims to safeguard women and staff from possible intimidation and distress around hospitals or clinics . in and distress around hospitals or clinics. in the us, and distress around hospitals or clinics . in the us, officials clinics. in the us, officials have arrested the father of a 14 year old boy accused of a deadly

school shooting. in that rare legal move , colin grey faces legal move, colin grey faces multiple charges, including involuntary manslaughter, for allegedly allowing his to son access the weapon that was used in the attack that sadly killed four and wounded nine. investigators have revealed both the 54 year old and his son had previously been questioned in 2023 over online threats about carrying out a possible school shooting. the teenager , colt shooting. the teenager, colt grey, used a semi—automatic rifle in the incident and will be tried as an adult and finally back here at home, southern england and south wales are in for a wet end to the week, as heavy rain is set to bring risks of travel disruption and possible flooding. the met office has issued a yellow weather warning in place until midnight tonight, following downpours that have already affected parts of the country. commuters are being warned to prepare for challenging driving conditions and possible road closures. but brighter skies further north. temperatures could reach 27 c in parts of

scotland, potentially marking the warmest day of the year so far . those are the latest gb far. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i might book a flight to scotland to catch the sun. i'll be back in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign up to news smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> hello and welcome! this is britain's newsroom live across the united kingdom on gb news with charlie peters and nana akua. >> well , british akua. >> well, british criminals could serve their prison sentences in estonia under plans being considered by the government in a bid to ease overcrowding in jails. >> the number of people in british prisons has hit a record high now 88,521 people across england and wales , according to england and wales, according to the latest figures just released by the ministry of justice. >> estonia's low crime rate has

left its prisons half empty, so could they be the solution to the prison crisis? retired prison governor . and author prison governor. and author vanessa frake joins us now. vanessa, thank you very much for joining us. on the surface, this sounds like a wonderful idea. it would cost between 10 to £20,000 as opposed to over £100,000 in this country. but it's not all it seems, is it really? i mean, because it's. well, potentially cost a lot more and i'm sure that estonia will see this as a chance to charge premium prices because we're desperate . because we're desperate. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, i think i think the only people that are going to make money out of this are the estonian government and be lawyers , government and be lawyers, because, look, we can't get boat people back to their countries. >> we can't get foreign national prisoners back to their countries. what on earth chance have we got of sending british prisoners to estonia to complete their sentences? you know , the

their sentences? you know, the human rights lawyers will jump all over this and it will end up costing us thousands. >> vanessa, this plan was actually first proposed last year by the former justice secretary, alex chalk, and labour slammed it as tory incompetence and a sign of underinvestment. do you think labour are picking up an idea that they criticise themselves, or is this just a desperate move ? or is this just a desperate move? >> i think it's probably a desperate move. desperate measures. i think they're clutching at straws, you know, don't forget this. this early release scheme that we keep heanng release scheme that we keep hearing so much about. this is release scheme that we keep hearing so much about . this is a hearing so much about. this is a temporary measure. this isn't going to solve our prison crisis. you know, it runs much, much deeper than that . and i much deeper than that. and i think, you know, it's going to take something eye opening to solve it. you know, we are stuck in this sort of roundabout of empty in a few out and then another load come in and again, you know, the figures out this morning saying about, it's a,

it's an all time high. well, that's, you know, that's the rioters , that's the notting hill rioters, that's the notting hill carnival, you know , all things carnival, you know, all things that, you know, we can't plan for. and, you know, it's a bit like running a bath. you empty a bit of water out and it's still filling up. and unfortunately , filling up. and unfortunately, that's how our prisoners are. >> i was reading that apparently in this country, we're addicted to long sentences, which is why the prisons are so full as they are. is that is there any real truth to that? because i suspect if you do something bad and it's awful, then you should get a long sentence. so what's wrong with that? i mean, i'm an advocate. i oppose the death penalty for those who actually deserve it. but, you know, obviously that's another topic. but are we really addicted to long sentences ? long sentences? >> i think i think more to the point, we're addicted to locking people up. i think we're addicted to locking people up for crimes such as non—payment of council tax, non—payment of

tv licences , first time tv licences, first time offenders, you know , that sort offenders, you know, that sort offenders, you know, that sort of thing. and our , you know, of thing. and our, you know, keir starmer was a was a, you know, an excellent example, you know, an excellent example, you know, the riots. he wanted it all brought forward. he wanted to show how hard he was on crime, and ended up, you know, locking grannies up for , for locking grannies up for, for making stupid comments on social media. you know, this is this has got to change. i absolutely am all for, you know, those that deserve violent crimes deserve to be locked up. being locked up. absolutely absolutely. but there are a lot of people who get put in prison who, in my opinion, and others, i hasten to add, shouldn't be there. >> and, vanessa, you've been talking about this flow of people being released, then brought back into prison. we have this so—called mass release of prisoners coming up next week. on tuesday , a further week. on tuesday, a further round set for october. is the

problem here that we just haven't built enough prisons? their critical national infrastructure, but not enough are in the pipeline . well that are in the pipeline. well that is a problem . is a problem. >> and also we've got a lot of old victorian prisons that are no longer fit for purpose. you know, they're they're old. they're they're not modern. they haven't got modern technology. so, you know , this this just so, you know, this this just encompasses, you know, what is wrong with our prison system. it's had no funding , literally it's had no funding, literally no funding over the last 15 years. and it has been running to the ground . and, you know, to the ground. and, you know, it's going to take quite a bit of money to get it back on track to a prison system and justice system that we can be proud of. >> vanessa frake, thank you very much. she's a retired prison governor also an author. thank you for that interesting discussion there. >> i think vanessa, in particular, i've just seen some

of the comments on your say reacting to this plan. a lot of people saying, if there's one way to deal with moving prisoners to estonia, why not remove foreign national offenders back to their country offenders back to their country of origin? i think that's a i think that's quite an enlightening request. i mean, there are 10,000 foreign nationals held in custody across prisons in england and wales as of march this year. it's potentially risen since then and moving to estonia or perhaps just returning to country of origin. >> well, yeah. if they're foreign prisoners, then they should go back there. i don't see what the why they wouldn't do that anyway. i don't know why we insist on imprisoning people in this country if they've done something where they could be deported. but this one here from padraic, he said estonian jails. why not send the prisoners to rwanda instead and let them fend for themselves? this way germany can send their immigrants to estonia instead. they are in the eu. we are not. yeah. you know what though? for me it's a bit of hypocrisy from the labour government, isn't it? because as you said , alex chalk came up you said, alex chalk came up with the concept and they pooh

poohed it, smacked it down, made sure it didn't happen, and now there they are. >> yeah, well, they'll say that they've adopted an appalling system, a creaking victorian prison system. so many cells at their capacity, they'll . say their capacity, they'll. say they've got to take any measure possible to deal with this problem. >> utter hypocrisy. but up next, we'll be taking a look at prince william's dashing new look with britain's newsroom on

gb news. right. 17 minutes after 10:00. good morning. this is britain's newsroom with charlie peters and nana akua joining us, former labour adviser, scarlett mccgwire and broadcaster and journalist clare muldoon in the studio for the papers. that was an interesting. we caught you there going rushing in i know. so on that bombshell, shall we start with our first story walking stump. now he's german migration commissioner. he's proposed using rwanda as the

third party country for migrants with growing pressure on the coalition. scarlett mccgwire i know well one of the differences. >> i think the main difference is that they're going to process people and send the people who you can't send back to rwanda, and there is a real problem about when you process people. and so you take the refugees and then there are then there are then there are then there are the immigrants. you just can't send them back to their home countries. >> and so but we would have that same problem here in rwanda was meant for those people. no, no , meant for those people. no, no, nana rwanda was for anybody. >> i had or anyone. >> i had or anyone. >> yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> rwanda was meant to send everybody there. >> not not for everybody, but for those for those who couldn't be sent back to the country. no, no no no. [10 [10 110. >> no no no. >> well, look, i had a young woman stay with me who was supposed to go to rwanda. and the only it was stopped because the only it was stopped because the general election, she came from eritrea and was a pentecostal christian who was being persecuted . being persecuted. >> no, no, no, no, i'm not

saying she i'm not saying that it wasn't potentially for anybody, but i'm saying that one of those type of people were those who had nowhere to be sent back. and that's where the germans, the germans element that the germans are using. yes, it was potentially for everybody, but i'm saying where it comes to the people who you literally cannot send back, rwanda was vital. >> no, but that's that's not how it was being used. what i'm saying is, was that the germans. no, because. because the processing was going to be done in rwanda , whereas in germany in rwanda, whereas in germany the processing is going to be donein the processing is going to be done in germany. and the people that they don't want and can't be said, the reality is, you know , the infrastructure has know, the infrastructure has been set up and paid for by the uk taxpayer. >> okay. >> okay. >> germany, as far as i am aware, are still at the moment members of the european union. >> was it not the echr that prevented us from actually using rwanda as a form, as a means of processing? and actually the removal of a proposed asylum seekers from this country to rwanda? >> well, i suppose germany might

try and get around that by virtue of this commissioner saying in this podcast yesterday that it's going to be a move monitored by the un. so that could possibly tick a few of those legal boxes. and they've also specified this, commissioner, that it would be only for those entering on the eastern border from belarus. so it's not a blanket ban, not like the proposal that britain might have had with everyone arriving on small boats, being immediately deported. and processed in east africa. this processed in east africa. this process is more specifically for a certain set of arrivals. >> i think. don't you think they might? the germans might have actually learned from us and thought, okay, let's get the un involved. the un is quite woolly, touchy feely. well, they will be fine rwanda anyway, don't they? well, exactly . nana. don't they? well, exactly. nana. so, i mean, i don't understand why we couldn't have used it. and to be fair, with the volume of people coming over at the moment on the boats, it would seem to me that it did actually act as a bit of a deterrent. >> it did. and we even we, we sent i saw patrick christie out speaking to the migrants who were there in tents very near to

the studio and speaking to others, and they all said that it was a deterrent and they were. and we have rumours you said that, you know, that people were saying that actually they were saying that actually they were waiting for keir starmer. >> there's no shortage of newspaper reporters who've been in northern france and said that they're happy with the change of government and that rwanda being off the table has removed a deterrent for them. labour, on their part, will say that they've sped up deportations since they got into power and they're going to smash the gangs. >> but, i mean, that's what you have to do, is you have to speed up deportations. i mean, that's what frightens people is that if i mean the outfit for some reason, that i do not understand, we had masses of albanians coming over about a year ago. right. and then they were just deported. i mean, a deal was done with albania. they were deported. we don't have albanians coming over anymore. i mean, that's how you that's how you stop it, that's how you stop it. >> but now we have lots of people from vietnam coming over. and you know what? if it's a country that doesn't really want to negotiate with you on that score, then you have to send people somewhere. so this is a part of the listen , it's a part

part of the listen, it's a part of the equation that we have now. we have completely walked away from just without even seeing or seeing how it could work as a deterrent with no alternative, nothing already in place. there's nothing in place. >> there's nothing in place. but we've got diplomats everywhere in the world. why aren't they sending the message to these countries? look, don't go. there is nothing for you in the uk. why are you wanting to leave here? i'm here. i'm a diplomat. why do you want to leave? that is the question. we need to go back to grassroots. we need to focus and put the optic on why they're leaving and get to grips with that here. >> and a lot of the eu and european union countries have complained about our generosity. it was germany that was saying they're going to scale down on what the migrants can get now. >> yes, well, they're reacting obviously to a very tense political moment with the rise of the afd and a recent spate of islamist attacks. but, i mean, we saw last week germany sent back 28 afghan migrants back to afghanistan without even needing to do a deal with the taliban and spain.

>> the spanish navy got on top of a migrant boat trying to get into spain. the europe are starting to turn now. absolutely. last year they really, really are. >> france deported someone in breach of an echr ruling. they got the ruling, said you can't do it. they ignored it and they went ahead with it. many people on this channel at the time when that was reported last year, said, if paris can do it, why can't we? >> so why can't, why do you think we are not doing this? then scarlett? because you know, other countries who are of equivalence in terms of their human rights are turning things back or doing things, but why are we not doing. >> i think we are actually i think we are going to do it. i mean, look, so there is a summit today, with, done by angela eagle talking about how to stop the boats , which and then so the boats, which and then so i heard her being interviewed, not on this program being accused that because she was literally stopping the boats. i mean, because the boats are being stopped from bringing over, therefore the other boats are overcrowded. therefore it's her fault that people are dying, right? i mean, you just can't

win. so they are beginning to literally stop the boat because the boats come over . from turkey the boats come over. from turkey and they can be. but this is a national conference and this is a national gathering. >> i don't hear anybody that they've got anybody from turkey that they're talking to within this, this particular conversation. so to me this is talks about talks internally about this national conversation when it's actually an international. you're absolutely right. >> it is an international problem. and what is really important is for us to understand that when they say britain is a soft touch, actually france has many france and germany many, many more than us, but they're much, much bigger landmass. >> they're bigger landmass. exactly. but they they still have an awful lot of people coming in. no, no, no, you have to be proportionate. >> you have to be proportionate when you're saying that because these countries are far bigger than the united kingdom. so there's no point using that as that as a no. >> but what i'm saying is that we have to understand that, that a lot of the migrants, they come through the mediterranean, right? >> many of them stop off right?

in italy, in spain, in france, in germany. it's a few that actually get through that's irrelevant. >> yeah. i mean, i think we have to that you said and you're absolutely right. >> it is an international. it is it is a european problem and it's an international problem. >> and the labour's defence, the government has said that they will be they'll be increasing the number of nca officers. britain's fbi in interpol by 50%. there will be a rise. they've also pointed to covert operations globally by m15 and associated institutions. labour are saying that they're going to put their border security command not on a national footing, but on an international. >> is that also going on? >> is that also going on? >> is that once they get someone to run it because they've got everybody in it? >> exactly. border force are going, i mean, come on. >> no. but actually the other thing, they're doing, which angela eagle is, is, is they're processing these people who are in hotels who should not be in hotels, right? they should be processed. they should either be refugees or we should be putting them back. >> so it's a dispersal thing, isn't it? so they're dispersing

them. but my problem is this , them. but my problem is this, that that's all very well. but you don't know who you're dispersing. you don't know enough about them and dispersing them in communities. and as we know in certain areas, there's a lot of crime. and in particular in germany, in places like that where they've seen a massive increase in crime, a lot of it from people who've come there to the country illegally. >> well, we should be doing that. we should actually be reopening the nightingale hospitals that were not even used during the covid pandemic. how is the illegal migrants there and start processing there? and then ? there? and then? >> so, claire, we've heard today that they're also going to shut down raf scampton. there's just moving away. also, the bibby stockholm was closed very soon after the start of the government. are you concerned as nanais government. are you concerned as nana is clearly about this dispersal accommodation, about asylum seekers being processed, asylum seekers being processed, as it were, in the community? >> yes, i am, and if it takes mps like edward leigh to stand up and fight for his constituency as he has done, and not now, the local hotel will not now, the local hotel will not be used to house illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. we just don't know who we're letting in exactly. it's bad enough putting prisoners, dispersing all the prisoners ,

dispersing all the prisoners, dispersing all the prisoners, dispersing prisoners and, you know, people who have committed sex offences back into the community. and we don't know if they've been fully rehabilitated. and then you get this mob culture. it's very much as in them. it's the othering of people that i can't stand. it's the othering of people that leads to anarchy and the othering of people that leads to vindictiveness and serious crime. >> i'm sure lots of people living in those local communities will be a bit concerned that they won't be able to voice their their concerns about dispersal accommodation for fear of being clamped down on by the authorities. >> well, let's let's end on a slightly lighter note, because i want to talk about this, this common food dye that is found to make skin and muscle temporarily transparent. so instead of having to open people up, you can actually put this dye on potentially. i mean this is only on on animals. >> first mice on mice. >> first mice on mice. >> so what it does is they put it on a mice, a mouse. sorry, a mouse's tummy. and you can see through organs all the organs. so instead of having to have x ray you put on this food dye and you can you can see the see the

organs. >> well all i can see is it needs a lot of dye to see through my. >> very good darling, very good. we love it. >> i think it sounds i mean, it's one of those breakthrough things like, like, you know, like keyhole surgery, right? that actually can make a real difference. >> it's scary. it really is scary, though, isn't it? >> you could do this would be a good halloween thing. i'll get me some of that for halloween. it'll be like that. >> it means that you can put it on and look it and see if you've got a broken bone, right? i mean, instead of having to go to an x ray, you just put this on. oh yeah. bones broken here. we can see. >> i just feel sorry for the mice. it's always them being tested on all these things. charlie. the world's hardest working little scientists and poor thing. >> and you know what happened straight afterwards? they get killed. >> oh, no . >> oh, no. »- >> oh, no. >> all animals that are used for experiments. >> i killed off. >> i killed off. >> no. and i have mousetrap. a mousetrap in my house. now. of course you do. >> yeah. everyone needs them in london, in our houses. >> oh, that's different. is it? this is the lefty thing, isn't

it? it's terrible. they get. we get mice in your house. >> they're really funny. >> they're really funny. >> amazing. exactly are they dead? >>i dead? >> i love that, i love that i think it's i think it's a pretty stern breakthrough. if it does work on on humans, i wonder. >> i wonder what the thought process is. right? with the boffins in these labs. what do they come up with? do they sit and watch harry potter and lord of the rings and think, gosh, what can what can we actually do here? what can we invent that? and we'll put it through that. it's some massive, massive thing that we can actually learn from and look through. and they are they're looking through. >> well, you know, that's quite an exciting discovery. it could save you the radiation from those x rays. thank you very much. that's a former labour advisor to scarlett mccgwire and broadcaster and journalist claire muldoon. >> well, it's time for your news headunes >> well, it's time for your news headlines now with sam francis. plenty more coming up after the . break. >> very good morning to you from the newsroom. 1030. exactly. and

the newsroom. 1030. exactly. and the top story this hour. the home secretary is leading a summit today to address the escalating crisis of people smuggling across the english channel. that meeting comes in response to a tragic incident this week where 12 lives were lost when a boat capsized in the deadliest crossing so far this yeah deadliest crossing so far this year. yvette cooper will be joined by key cabinet ministers, intelligence officials and law enforcement agencies to target criminal smuggling networks. she says there's a moral imperative to act and wants to see tighter collaboration with european partners. well, with over 21,000 arrivals so far this year, the summit will also focus on enhancing the new border security command. germany is considering using british funded facilities in rwanda to deport migrants entering the eu. it comes as . migrants entering the eu. it comes as. berlin faces mounting pressure to kerb illegal migration following last month's isis linked stabbing at a festival. german officials think that the eu should repurpose the asylum facilities that britain

set up, which were recently scrapped by sir keir starmer. our political correspondent olivia utley has more . olivia utley has more. >> there will be those who argue, and in fact conservative mps are already arguing that if the rwanda policy is good enough for germany, if germany believes it will act as a sufficient deterrent to stop illegal immigrants coming over to germany, then why did keir starmer choose to throw out that policy on his first day in office and replace it with this rather nebulous plan to smash the gangs? >> mps . and campaigners in >> mps. and campaigners in lincolnshire are celebrating the decision to scrap plans to house migrants at raf scampton. the government claims it fails to represent value for taxpayers money. the former lincolnshire airbase was estimated to have cost £200 million by 2027, 60 million of which has already been spent. the government will now close and sell the site, focusing instead on what it's calling faster asylum processing. our east midlands

reporter, will hollis, is outside the raf base. >> the labour government says despite £60 million being spent on the former raf airbase, it is not for value money for the taxpayer and between now and 2027, the £121 million that would have been spent can be better spent elsewhere. >> the uk prison population has hit a record high, with 88,521 inmates as of this morning. that's 171 more inmates as of this morning. that's171 more than last week's peak.the that's171 more than last week's peak. the surge, driven by recent nationwide disorder, has seen the prison population now rise by over a thousand in just the last month. in response, the government is considering renting jail cells in estonia to ease overcrowding. meanwhile, a temporary early release scheme is set to begin on the 10th of september and southern england and south wales are in for a wet end to the week. as heavy rain bnngs end to the week. as heavy rain brings a risk of travel disruption and possible flooding. the met office has issued another yellow warning in place until midnight tonight,

following downpours that have already affected some parts of devon. meanwhile, though , devon. meanwhile, though, temperatures could reach up to 27 degrees in parts of scotland, potentially marking it the warmest day of the year, those are the latest headlines for now. i'm sam francis, back with a full roundup at the top of the hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> up next, the father of a 14 year old accused of a deadly shooting . at a school in the us shooting. at a school in the us has been arrested and charged after gifting his son a rifle. we'll have the latest on that story coming soon. >> you're with britain's

gb news. >> it's 10:37. this gb news. >> it's10:37. this is britain's newsroom with charlie peters and nana akua now in the us, officials have arrested the father of a 14 year old accused of a deadly school shooting. colin grey faces multiple charges. >> it was just two. it was just two. you didn't the extra bit, did i? no, no. carry on. >> i'm in trouble. colin grey faces multiple charges, including voluntary manslaughter , including voluntary manslaughter, for allegedly allowing his son to access the weapon used in the attack that killed four and wounded nine. >> well, investigators have revealed both the 54 year old and his son had previously been questioned in 2003 over online threats about carrying out a school shooting. the teenager called grey, used a semi—automatic rifle in the incident and will be tried as an adult. well let's cross over to new york now, where criminal lawyer deborah bloom joins us live now. deborah this is quite

concerning. firstly, because they've been talking about this sort of thing prior to what has happened, and secondly, because the sun, usually they sort of commit suicide. the person who's doing the shooting, he didn't do that. doing the shooting, he didn't do that . he's doing the shooting, he didn't do that. he's alive. is this the reason? one of the reasons why they're also going for the father as well? >> so no, i actually believe it's because there's been a trend in the united states to prosecute the parents of children who commit these horrific acts. we saw that in 2023 with the conviction of the crumbleys for their son's school shooting. and now we're seeing it here, where this child was on a watch list. his father had gunsin a watch list. his father had guns in the . home and it's guns in the. home and it's possible the police are investigating whether he actually purchased this weapon for his son used in this tragic

shooting. >> do you think, then, that that has acted in a sense, as a deterrent? >> because parents, if they could potentially be tried for the crimes of their children, do you think that has worked as a deterrent in the united states? >> well, sadly, it hasn't worked because we've had this scenario before in recent history, very recent history, and it's still going on as it did here, where two teachers and two students tragically lost their lives. what i think is very interesting in the united states, though, is that children as young as 14 years old, such as colt grey, the perpetrator here, is being charged as an adult. i actually have a 14 year old who's now 15, who is alleged to have killed a 13 year old, and he's also being charged as an adult, as tragic and terrible as these shootings and terrible as these shootings and murders are, these are children and we are clearly doing something wrong in the united states where this continues to happen. and i don't feel as a criminal defence attorney that the answer is for these children to be charged as

adults , not that. adults, not that. >> yeah, well, but also , >> yeah, well, but also, deborah, you have this issue now where you're saying the parents are increasingly being involved in the charges and the prosecution and the all round criminal justice effort. what has sparked that change with prosecutors moving more towards the responsibility of parents, what signalled that change? >> well, as you know, we've had so many of these school shootings in the us and nothing seems to be stopping them. i mean, a common theme amongst them is that these children are gaming. they're using the internet to make posts. i think overall there needs to be an overhaul in the school system where each of the schools has to have security. when the children come in. i mean, that's a terrible thing that each of these schools, even in non urban settings, need to have security because security could prevent it. but that's not even enough. in the case that i have now, my client was able to bring a weapon. you know it's just

really tragic because there aren't enough steps in place . aren't enough steps in place. and that's something we need to look at. we need to look at the violence of children. we need to look at parents who continue to have weapons in their home. that are unsecured, that their children are able to have. it's not very hard to be able to secure your weapon. so there are so many steps to say, i notice that you don't sort of talk about repealing any of the gun laws in america, and it seems that it's always, well, we need to maybe secure the guns or do this. >> i mean, why should anybody be allowed to have a semi—automatic weapon when that is purely for mass massacre? there's no other reason. and why would you have that and be allowed to have that? well, at the end of the day, that's its only function. that's its only function. unless you're in a war zone , which. you're in a war zone, which. >> well, they're not that's, you know , a very good point. i'm not know, a very good point. i'm not going to put my position on guns here, but certainly this needs to be controlled and there needs to be controlled and there needs to be controlled and there needs to be way fewer semiautomatic

weapons. there just needs to be a complete change in how people have weapons, whether they can have weapons, whether they can have weapons, whether they can have weapons, who's able to get a weapon. there's a complete breakdown that someone is able to have a whole arsenal of weapons in their home, have children in the home and then their child is able to access those weapons. and even potentially buy a weapon . for a potentially buy a weapon. for a 14 year old, that is completely unacceptable . and why colin grey unacceptable. and why colin grey is being charged here. i personally, as a defence attorney, don't know that i see attorney, don't know that i see a large enough nexus for him to be charged with second degree murder. do you think? >> but i think that involuntary manslaughter, you know, there are legal definitions that need to be met. >> and i'm not sure that he's going to meet all of those definitions here, but parents definitely should be held accountable. you can't purchase accountable. you can't purchase a 14 year old a gun. >> well, if they were chatting about a school shooting and

things like that, you have the death penalty in georgia as well . death penalty in georgia as well. very briefly, we are running out of time. is there any chance that that could be applied? >> you know, i think that there's definitely a possibility for that to be applied, likely not for the 14 year olds. i think that it's a second degree murder. i don't believe that you would have the death penalty for that. for colin grey , but there that. for colin grey, but there will be serious consequences. and this is likely to go to trial because it's one of those cases, as a defence attorney, where you advise your client to go to trial because you're not getting an offer that would make it worth it for you to take. so you roll the dice, for lack of a better word. >> well, deborah blum, a criminal lawyer based in new york. thank you very much for joining us this morning. well still ahead, the family of a man who was murdered by an asylum seeker are accusing authorities of trying to sweep it under the carpet. >> we'll be discussing that next. you're with britain's newsroom on

gb news. >> it's 1047. this is gb news. >> it's1047. this is britain's newsroom with charlie peters and nana akua. >> now, the family of a man murdered by an afghan asylum seeker has slammed the decision not to hold an inquest into his death , accusing authorities of death, accusing authorities of trying to sweep it under the carpet. >> tom roberts, 21, a nightclub dj and aspiring royal marine, was stabbed in the chest by an afghan. mr lauryn goodman abdul rahim seesahai outside a subway in march 2022 when he tried to intervene, intervene in a row over. intervene, intervene in a row over . an e—scooter. abdul rahim over. an e—scooter. abdul rahim zahawi, who was actually 19, was already had already murdered two people in serbia before being allowed into the uk, posing as a 14 year old orphan. >> well, our former director general of the uk border force, tony smith, joins us now. >> tony, looking at all of the

utany >> tony, looking at all of the litany of failures in this case, he arrived claiming to be 14. he was actually 19. so much information not shared between government departments. do you think this is an example of systemic failure by our agencies ? systemic failure by our agencies? >> well, i think firstly, charlie, my heart goes out to the victim and the victim's families for what has been a terrible incident. and i think they are entitled, actually to have a review, a serious review of this case, to find out what went wrong and how this person got into the country, given his antecedents that have come to light subsequently. i mean, it does raise a number of questions, charlie. i mean, there is obviously the age issue.i there is obviously the age issue. i mean, he was actually 18 when he entered the country, but he was he said he was 14. that's not new. i mean, we get lots and lots of cases like this. the border force are urged to on the side of caution. and so, you know, wrongly , he he was so, you know, wrongly, he he was we now know wrongly he was declared to be a minor. but that you know, even if he's been

declared to be an adult, he probably still would have been admitted and ended up in an asylum hotel as an afghan asylum seeker. so i don't think that's a critical issue for me. the bigger issue is the checks that were done by the police after he entered the country , where it entered the country, where it was discovered that he had claimed asylum in norway. he had murdered two people in serbia. he was clearly on some international databases. now i do know we do. we are able to fingerprint any asylum seeker over the age of five coming into this country. and those fingerprints are sent off for analysis to uk databases, mainly the immigration asylum database. so if he's known here the previous immigration and to the uk criminal database. but he hadnt uk criminal database. but he hadn't been here before these crimes you know, were perpetrated in europe and beyond . perpetrated in europe and beyond. and there are biometric databases around in interpol. there are biometric databases around elsewhere. my inquiry really is what happens to those biometrics other than are they

being sent routinely to cases where we can, you know, do further checks with other countries in europe and beyond? are they being routinely shared with interpol? in every case or not? because i do think this does raise some very serious questions about our screening mechanisms. i mean, we are quite thorough. we do what we can. we ask them all the questions we can before they turn up without documents, you haven't got a lot to go on other than, you know, where they come from and what they tell you. tony, you have got the biometrics and i think that's the key as a fingerprint and a dentist. >> there was a but tony, didn't a dentist identify that he was potentially older than he was saying he was? i think he claimed he claimed he was 14. and then a dentist identified that perhaps he was a bit older. it's like the agencies aren't speaking to each other. but more concerning, if the labour government are planning to allow migrants to be dispersed within the community and they're closing these centres, where at least we have a chance for them to stay in that area , how are

to stay in that area, how are they going to ensure that those coming here by boats or whatever are actually are not criminals or murderers and things like that ? that? >> exactly. nana that is the key question that needs to be answered. i worked there for a long time. a lot of experience about how this all works at the border, and we're not bad, but there clearly is a gap here. and you need to remember the border force is under huge pressure, timeliness, pressure , timeliness, pressure, particularly in the small boats area. this chap arrived at paul. but i mean, you know, most of the small boats come into manston. we're not allowed to hold people there for more than about 24 hours, or we get into trouble for unlawful detention. i mean, we have got equipment there, but i'm really worried that you know, we are not clearly doing all of the checks that we might be able to do. and i would like to see something published about what, you know, what checks are being done internationally, what other research is being done internationally? are there circumstances where you might want to detain somebody actually

nana you might want to say, well, i'm sorry, we're not going to put you in a hotel. you're staying here because we've got sufficient doubts about you that that raise these difficulties. and i think we've got ourselves caught up in a process of a very swift flow through the borders screening where we can. but this is a terrible case. let's make no bones about it. it is truly embarrassing. >> dodi on that point, i mean emerged. >> well, it emerged, charlie, after by by the police, after the event, after he was admitted. that's my problem. and my question is, what if the police can find all this out, you know, after the event, why was it not available to the border force earlier on in the process? and i simply don't know the answer to that. >> and tony, you said that more details need to be assessed here. we need a clearer understanding of what happened. but the home office in this case has been spared a full inquest because the coroner said that these were individual failings and not systemic. i mean, i spoke last night with the stepfather of the victim, and he said that this is urgently needed. they need this inquest. >> well, listen, tony, we're

going to very briefly you've got about 10s tony on this one very briefly and then we'll. i don't think we should spare the home office. >> i think we should have an investigation. welcome home. i should welcome the investigation because we need to do better. right and the only way we're going to do better is if we investigate thoroughly these types of events. >> all right, tony, thank you very much. really to good talk to you. that is tony smith. he's the former director general of the former director general of the uk border force. >> well , a the uk border force. >> well, a home office spokesperson said our deepest sympathies remain with the loved ones of thomas roberts. we will consider the findings of the coroner's report, but it would not be appropriate to comment further in the interim. >> wow. well, stay with us. still to come, germany is considering deporting migrants to the british funded facilities of rwanda. so will labour, too quick to ditch the scheme, will be debating that. >> this is britain's newsroom on gb news, the people's channel. stay with us. because coming up to the break we're having that debate. >> what are your thoughts. get in touch gbnews.com/yoursay. the

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down here. and as i said, that rain could bring some further localised flooding and travel disruption into this evening. it's particularly as it moves further north into parts of south wales this evening, where we could see some surface water. so do take care if you're travelling in these areas, but elsewhere it's going to be a fairly fine end to the day. there will be a bit more in the way of low cloud pulling in off the north sea, though. across eastern coasts of scotland, as well as northeastern england and the north coast of scotland as well. but for many northern areas it will remain largely dry overnight, a bit more in the way of that cloud dragging in further inland towards the pennines and central areas of scotland , and that band of rain scotland, and that band of rain will move northwards into the midlands parts of central areas of wales. but it will tend to fizzle away, so there will be some respite from the rainfall for many areas overnight. but quite a lot of cloud around and after a very warm day in the north and west, temperatures will hold up in the mid teens for many areas up here. by saturday morning. so quite a bright and warm start to the day across northwestern areas once again. should be another fine

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gb news. >> good morning. it's 11 am. on friday the 6th of september. live across the united kingdom. this is britain's newsroom with charlie peters and nana akua small boat summit. >> the home secretary will chair a meeting with ministers and law enforcement today to discuss plans to tackle smuggling gangs. >> scampton scrapped labour, ditches plans to house asylum seekers in raf scampton. >> is the rwanda scheme being rehomed? berlin is considering

deporting migrants to british funded facilities in rwanda prisons for higher british prisoners could serve their sentences in estonian jails , sentences in estonian jails, under a plan being considered by ministers . under a plan being considered by ministers. britain's under a plan being considered by ministers . britain's best brew ministers. britain's best brew which budget teabag has been declared superior to the big name brands? we will reveal that later . later. >> so i'm thinking tea. tea. your favourite cup of tea ? who your favourite cup of tea? who do you think was top of the tree for tea? >> top of the tree for tea. you're a poet and you didn't even know it. >> very good. charlie. >> very good. charlie. >> well, no coffee for you. is what i heard this morning. >> coffee? i don't i don't drink caffeine. i actually only drink herbal tea. and also a reishi mushroom tea that one of my viewers sent me. all right. i've tried it. our viewers, our viewers do not know me. >> they do not send me any teas just yet. get much stranger things in my post here, but we'd

love to hear what you think about tea. you can send your views and post your comments to us. you can also send us post it seems by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, here's the news with the wonderful sam francis . wonderful sam francis. >> very good morning to you. it is just after 11:00 and the top story from the newsroom. this morning. the home secretary is leading a summit today to address the escalating crisis of people smuggling across the engush people smuggling across the english channel. that meeting comes in response to a tragic incident this week , where 12 incident this week, where 12 lives were lost when a boat capsized , the deadliest crossing capsized, the deadliest crossing so far this year. yvette cooper will be joined by key cabinet ministers intelligence officials and law enforcement agencies to target criminal smuggling networks. she says there is a moral imperative to act and wants to see tighter collaboration with european partners. well, with over 21,000 arrivals so far this year, that

summit will also focus on enhancing the new border security command . germany is security command. germany is considering using british funded facilities in rwanda to deport migrants entering european union illegally. it comes as berlin is facing mounting pressure to kerb illegal migration following last month's isis linked stabbing at a festival. german officials think the eu should repurpose the asylum facilities that britain set up, which were recently scrapped by sir keir starmer. our political correspondent olivia utley has more. >> there will be those who argue and in fact, conservative mps are already arguing that if the rwanda policy is good enough for germany , if germany believes it germany, if germany believes it will act as a sufficient deterrent to stop illegal immigrants coming over to germany , then why did keir germany, then why did keir starmer choose to throw out that policy on his first day in office and replace it with this rather nebulous plan to smash the gangs? >> mps and campaigners in lincolnshire are celebrating the decision to scrap plans to house

migrants at raf scampton. the government claims it fails to represent value for taxpayers money. the former lincolnshire airbase was estimated to have cost £200 million by 2027, 60 million of which has already been spent. the government will now close and sell that site, focusing instead on what it's calling faster asylum processing and border security improvements. our east midlands reporter, will hollis, is outside raf scampton. >> the labour government says despite £60 million being spent on the former raf air base, it is not value for money for the taxpayer. and between now and 2027, the £121 million that would have been spent can be better spent elsewhere . better spent elsewhere. >> news this morning that the uk prison population has hit a record high, with 88,521 inmates now in jail, 171 more than last week's peak. the surge, driven by recent nationwide disorder, has seen the prison population

rise now by over 1000. in just the past month. in response, the government is considering renting jails in estonia to ease overcrowding here. meanwhile, a temporary early release scheme is set to begin on the 10th of september. scotland is setting new boundaries to give women unobstructed access to abortion services from the 24th of september. the abortion services act will make it a criminal offence to interfere or to harass anyone accessing or providing abortion services within 200m of designated facilities . that law aims to facilities. that law aims to safeguard women and staff from intimidation and distress . the intimidation and distress. the uk is sending 650 missiles to ukraine in a £160 million boost to its defences against russia. john healey, making his first appearance as defence secretary, will make that announcement at a summit in germany later today. the missiles are part of a larger £3 billion aid package

and will be delivered by the end of the year. in the us . of the year. in the us. officials there have arrested the father of a 14 year old boy accused of a deadly school shooting in that rare legal move. colin grey faces multiple charges, including involuntary manslaughter, for allegedly allowing his son to access the weapon that was used in the attack that sadly killed four. investigators have revealed both the 54 year old and his son had previously been questioned over onune previously been questioned over online threats about carrying out a school shooting, while the teenager, colt grey, used a semi—automatic rifle in the incident and will be tried as an aduu incident and will be tried as an adult . southern england and adult. southern england and south wales are in for a wet end to the week, as heavy rain bnngs to the week, as heavy rain brings the risk of travel disruption and flooding. the met office has issued a yellow weather warning in place until midnight tonight, following downpours that have already affected parts of devon. commuters are also being warned to prepare for challenging driving conditions and possible road closures. but sunnier skies further north, where

temperatures could reach 27 c in parts of scotland, potentially making it the warmest day of the yeah making it the warmest day of the year. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'll be back with you in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to gbnews.com the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> it is coming up to seven minutes after 11:00. hello and welcome. this is britain's newsroom live across the united kingdom on gb news with charlie peters and me. >> nana akua now the home secretary, yvette cooper , is secretary, yvette cooper, is chairing a summit today to discuss how to tackle criminal gangs involved in smuggling people over the english channel in small boats. >> labour has abandoned the rwanda migration plan in favour of smashing the gangs, whatever that means. but the prime minister could live to regret that decision as it emerges that

germany is considering deporting migrants to the british funded facilities in rwanda. >> well, the gb news political correspondent olivia utley joins us from the national crime agency, where the summit will take place. and, olivia, what are we expected to hear later on today about this meeting ? today about this meeting? >> well, there's a very impressive cast of characters who are yvette cooper and keir starmer have gathered today . starmer have gathered today. there are various ministers, obviously the home secretary herself, the foreign secretary, the justice secretary, members of the crown prosecution service, border security, the nca itself. but in terms of actually concrete policy announcements. well, to be honest, we're not really expecting to hear anything. as far as yvette cooper is concerned, this is all about sort of putting the wind in the sails of labour's smash the gangs plan. it's about talking about the moral imperative of making sure that these gangs are stopped, but not really explaining precisely how. that's going to be done. and that's

pretty tricky for keir starmer. and yvette cooper, because talking is all very well. but the numbers are speaking for themselves. you've got 22,000 small boat migrants who've come here over the last year , here over the last year, including 8000 since labour took office in july. yvette cooper has talked about setting up a border security force, essentially more civil servants working to process illegal asylum seekers, more quickly. but there isn't really yet in place any sort of deterrent to stop asylum seekers coming here. now, the rwanda policy, which was rishi sunak's brainwave idea, or boris johnson, i should say brainwave idea to solve this, was abandoned immediately on labour's first day in office. that plan of course, would have involved deporting migrants who come to britain illegally over to rwanda for forever. and that has been abandoned by keir starmer. and that's become a little bit more complicated for him over the last couple of days, because it's just emerged that germany is considering using the facilities which british, british taxpayers have paid for in rwanda to house

migrants offshore while their claims are processed. it's slightly different what the germans are planning to do with what the brits were planning to do, because it's all about processing offshore rather than deportation. but it still is really a thorn in the side of the prime minister and he'll receive a lot of criticism from conservatives for that. >> olivia utley thank you very much. well, that summit comes after the home office announced the government is scrapping plans to use raf scampton as for housing asylum seekers, and that's after £60 million was put into fixing up the site. >> well, joining us from raf scampton is the gb news east midlands reporter, will hollis. good morning. will and what's been the reaction to this closing down there. and the announcement that there's going to be more migrants put into dispersal accommodation . dispersal accommodation. >> yes. well if 18 months ago we were to say that controversy around the announcement to house asylum seekers at raf scampton was an understatement. today

it's an understatement to say that it it's an understatement to say thatitis it's an understatement to say that it is relief from the community here in west lindsey district, from the local council, but also from the local people, whether they live close to scampton or slightly further away, 15 minutes away in lincoln. but i have been speaking today to the leader of west lindsey district council, councillor trevor young , about councillor trevor young, about his reaction to the news that asylum seekers will not be coming to the former airbase. raf scampton really worried and we took some extremely difficult and brave decisions as a small district council, i think the previous government underestimated how hard we would fight to protect the site. >> we're absolutely delighted of the decision today and we'll work with the labour government to make sure that we deliver on this site . this site. >> well, that's the liberal democrat leader of west lindsey district council saying that he welcomes working with the new labour government. one of the people that has been here on the

busy ar—15 outside the gates of scampton for the last 18 months, is gary lockwood. i believe you were actually one of, if not the first protester here. what does what do you feel like right now that it's been announced that asylum seekers won't be moving to the former airbase? >> it's amazing news. it's the news we've been waiting for all this time. it's made the fight worth fighting. it's fantastic news. brilliant. >> and was it ? why news. brilliant. >> and was it? why was it news. brilliant. >> and was it ? why was it worth >> and was it? why was it worth fighting? why did you spend so many , countless hours here on a many, countless hours here on a very busy stretch of road for an airbase that is no longer even an airbase, >> because i just couldn't believe when i first heard about scampton being used for the idea in the first place. so i thought , in the first place. so i thought, no, i can't have that. the most historic air base in the whole world, famous for the dambusters and all them heroes that were here. not a chance. so that's why i've been here for the last 18 months. it's been hard work, but it's well worth it for. >> you're from lincoln. you live quite close, about 15 minutes away. but for the last 18 months

you have pretty much lived here on this site. a lot of people have camped here. what's that experience been like when at times there's been community tensions? there's been police investigations and a lot of outsiders coming in and taking hold of the scampton issue. >> well, it's not been easy at all. it's. it's been hard work. there's been a lot of brilliant people here. there's been a few problems, but we got through it in the end. and it was well worth it. >> the new labour government says that this was not going to deliver value for money, despite £60 million being spent on the site , on portacabins, on site, on portacabins, on facilities. they said that it was going to cost more than it would be worth, but money has been spent on it. what do you want to see happen to scampton now? and reflecting on that money that's already been spent ? money that's already been spent? >> well, it needs a hopefully scampton holdings, who had the who were meant to be on here just before they came up with this plan for £300 million worth of regeneration. >> yeah, hopefully that can go ahead now. >> hopefully the labour saying they're going to sell it is not

going to cause a problem with that. and it'll go ahead and create lots of jobs for the area. and it's just going to be fantastic if it goes ahead. >> for anybody listening on the radio, you can hear the noise from the hgvs. gary, just lastly , from the hgvs. gary, just lastly, what's it been like experiencing the full force of lincolnshire's honking horns blaring? 24 hours a day as you protest here? >> that's been amazing. that's not stopped since the start. as soon as i started sitting out here on my own, even with my little banner, there was people beeping. and it's been constant support all the way. >> gary lockwood, one of the first protesters here at raf scampton. thank you for speaking to us today on gb news. the labour government says it isn't value for money, but now the future of scampton is still in the air with hopefully for some people, a heritage deal worth £300 million. coming to the former dambuster base . former dambuster base. >> well, hollis, thank you very much. or maybe a prison. i don't know what's worse. well, hollis, lovely to talk to you. right. well, joining us to discuss this further is senior researcher at the legatum institute, guy dampier, and also human rights

lawyer shoaib khan. >> shoaib to start with, you first. germany. now announcing that they could be taking on the british funded facilities in rwanda. you've previously been very critical of the deportation scheme. do you think that the german plans are unworkable and immoral , immoral, >> i do. i mean, firstly, i think they are, but obviously less unworkable and less immoral than the british council because, i mean, i was really quite, you know, heartened just to see olivia there actually explaining the distinction between the two plans. but so far everyone has missed. i don't think i've seen that anywhere, really, and there's a huge difference between saying you know, the few weeks, few days, few months it takes for to us process your asylum claim. we're sending you elsewhere , or like sending you elsewhere, or like the tories were doing. this is where you're going to live. and i mean, it was actually quite a ridiculous plan, obviously, for so many reasons. but one was you're going to go there and have your asylum claim process, but then obviously if you get asylum, you stay in rwanda forever. if you don't get

asylum, you still remain in rwanda forever, and in that, i mean, from that point, i didn't really understand why even the claims being, considered. why doesit claims being, considered. why does it matter what status someone gets? you know, basically what we're doing is putting people on a plane and you're going to rwanda forever. so obviously, i mean, this is it isn't just some technical distinction. it's a huge difference. but i still think, you know, as germany is a huge country, huge economy , surely country, huge economy, surely there should be space, money, resources , infrastructure there resources, infrastructure there to be able to, process these few. and i think it's 8 to 10,000 people at the most that can be sent to rwanda at one time. surely there's space for them to be able to do that on their own land? i just don't see their own land? i just don't see the point of sending them to rwanda. >> yeah, but, well, the point of sending people to rwanda is that it is a deterrent. so you're trying to deter them from coming here and via small boats, which as you know, is dangerous. and many people are dying run by people smugglers and $1 billion or billion pound industry. that's the point . we don't want that's the point. we don't want them to go to rwanda. we don't want them to take a boat. but in order to do it, we have to put

something there in place. i just want to get a guy down here. what's your thoughts on this? >> well, i think he's correct that there are some real subtleties to this case. it is for offshore processing, which is much more like the existing united nations operation that is in rwanda. it's not a permanent deportation. it's not a permanent removal. it's also only aimed at the 10,000 or so who are coming across the eastern borders from russia and belarus. it's not intended for the much larger numbers who are coming through the south of germany. and i think that is the major problem for the germans. they have an enormous refugee problem. it is costing the country an absolute fortune, and they are experiencing a sort of drip effect almost every day over the summer of gang rapes, attacks and even terrorist attacks, as we saw recently. in fact, just yesterday, a young bosnian origin man from austria who attacked was made an attack near the israeli consulate in munich. so the problem for the germans is it's all very well to say this sort of thing and sound tough, but it's not actually

going to deter the people that they really want to deter. >> and guy on that point, i mean, are you seeing now europe getting tough on these positions as britain moves away from these deterrent effects? we saw germany just last week deporting some 28 people back to afghanistan without doing a deal with the taliban. is europe toughening on this issue while starmer is walking away from it? >> i think that's definitely true. europe is toughening. we've seen sweden, which was famously pro—immigration , famously pro—immigration, recently, bragging about the fact that they've had the lowest number of asylum seekers since 1997 as a result of changes they've made. we can see that italy is trying to do offshore processing in albania. we can see that cyprus is asking for certain areas of syria to be declared as safe, so they can send syrian refugees there. there is definitely a trend on the continent. the question is whether it's going to be strong enough, because you can see with a lot of these, these plans, it's very difficult to deal with the numbers that they actually need to deal with. and the rwanda plan, as intended by the conservative government, had a genuine deterrent effect. we saw

people going into ireland because they didn't want to be sent to rwanda, and i've spoken to people in contact with refugees who've said that there was a very swift awareness among refugees of what this would mean, and they started looking at alternatives. i don't think that will be the for case germany, and i think that will show in the german elections next year, where the cdu, the centre right cdu and the more right wing afd have both been doing extremely well, in no small part because germany is fed up of this. >> well, sure, surely you would say that. i'm suggesting that you might say that. surely you don't want people to get on boats and do dangerous journeys . boats and do dangerous journeys. these are meant to be deterrents. what's wrong with trying to put something in place to deter people from doing something that is very, very dangerous and also perpetrated by people who are incredibly inhumane, like the smugglers. >> yeah. i mean, obviously, i mean, firstly, i don't think it is going to be a deterrent. and that's the point we've repeatedly made, in fact, just yesterday, i mean, just a few days ago, obviously we saw yet another, you know, tragic event. and where is it, 12 people who died trying to cross on a small boat. and then again, one of the

survivors, actually, you know, interviewed in the media just said, i mean, i don't care. i'm going to keep making this journey so many times, you know, i almost lost my life. i think it's whatever the sixth, eighth, 10th time he tried to make the journey and finally he got to britain . and so i don't think it britain. and so i don't think it is going to be a deterrent, is the first thing. and secondly, if we're talking about the german plan, then of course, i mean, i don't understand what the deterrent there is. oh, okay. if you come here, if you come to germany, you know, unauthorised, we'll send you to rwanda for a few weeks and then you'll be brought back. i just don't understand how possibly thatis don't understand how possibly that is a deterrent to anyone. and unless we're saying, you know, rwanda is so awful that even the thought of being in an asylum processing centre over there for a few weeks is going to deter people. i don't think it will. so i don't see what the deterrent is. but also, i mean, i think what it comes down to at the end of the day is we have to start taking responsibility again. i know, you know, why does everyone want to come to britain? why does everyone want to come to europe? the benefits, the benefits is very, very small numbers. considering who we are, it's the benefits. >> i'm just answering your question. you said shapps. you

said, why do people want to come here? it's the benefits and even a lot of the european countries are saying, look, we are way too generous in this country. that's why they're all coming here risking their lives. what are you suggesting, then, as an alternative? because we hear a lot of opposition from people, lawyers and so on and so forth with no other alternative. what would be your ultimate alternative? >> so firstly, to say the point, i just completing the point i was making, that we take on very small numbers considering the number of refugees around the world, very few people come to europe. actually a very small proportion turkey, pakistan, so many other countries. they are huge recipients of asylum seekers. that's where the majority of the world's refugees are. so very small numbers come to europe anyway. secondly in terms of alternatives, it's clear we've been saying this for decades. safe legal routes. the point is, you know, obviously countries around europe hosted hundreds of thousands of ukrainians for instance, why did ukrainians for instance, why did ukrainians not have to risk their lives? because we actually sent planes. we brought them, you know, we treated them like people, like humans, and actually sent planes like we did. you know, sadly, very few not enough in afghanistan, you know, just two years ago.

>> we're running out of time. so we are running out of time, shoaib bashir. we're running out of time. yeah. >> just quickly. i mean, guy, you've heard shoaib bashir mentioning the pull factor of britain. the interior minister of france said that that's part of france said that that's part of the problem. do you agree with him? >> definitely. i think there's a reason why people come here when there are refugee camps and safety relatively closer. it's because they've got a dream of the west, and in many senses, they've got a higher than 50% chance that they are going to get here, and they will be looked after for life and have a more comfortable existence. >> you . >> you. >> you. >> well, well, we do have the highest acceptance rate out of all of the countries, so that could be another pull. shahab khan, thank you so much. and guy dampier, thank you to you as well. >> well, with some breaking news for you now because a suspended labour councillor has denied encouraging violent disorder in connection with comments at an anti—fascist protests earlier last month. videos emerged onune last month. videos emerged online reportedly showing labour councillor ricky jones telling a crowd in east london that far right demonstrates is needed to have their throats cut. the dartford councillor was arrested

by the metropolitan police and charged. but today mr jones has pleaded not guilty and been remanded in prison awaiting a bail hearing. >> right up next. pope francis has sparked controversy. but why? this is britain's newsroom on

gb news. >> it's 1125. this is gb news. >> it's1125. this is britain's newsroom with charlie peters and nana akua. >> we're joined now by former labour adviser, scarlett mccgwire and broadcaster and journalist clare muldoon. they're joining us for the papers. should we start with this one on pope francis? he has reignited his long running quarrel with childless pet owners after he praised couples with five children and criticised those who prefer cats and dogs. >> well, he didn't he didn't really. he didn't. this is completely out of context. i mean, i know pope francis fan. i

am a very devout catholic and i do have four children. just in case none of you actually knew that small fact before, and it was all in the preposition instead of . now the pope is on a instead of. now the pope is on a tour of oceania and indonesia at the moment, and he made the remarks at a conference pre mass or post mass yesterday when after the conference they actually went to someone, a priest who actually looks invariably like jesus christ himself, which was quite funny. >> anyway, so that's if you believe he looked like the caucasian guy on the cross when they were in the middle of jerusalem. >> this one wasn't caucasian. he wasn't caucasian. >> no he wasn't. >> no he wasn't. >> he really looked like he usually did. >> like blonde hair, blue eyes. hold on a minute. >> the real mccoy, the real mccoy. so, actually. so what he said was true parents, right? if you are parents, i think i've got charlie rowley seat now, parents should should have children if they can. they should have children instead of pets. and pets are invariably expensive to have, and they

actually they don't have the same parents, don't have the same parents, don't have the same autonomy with children as they do with animals. so i would say, yes, i agree with him on this. he's not saying don't have pets. he's not referring to j.d. vance's atrocious childless cat woman comments. but take it i say that, but i have been a little bit disturbed by the number of pet parents i've seen out and about in london these days. >> you see people with prams, with cats and dogs? no. is there not a substitution ? not a substitution? >> they send their pets to psychologists because they're worried about it and they're worried about it and they're worried about it and they're worried about separation, special diets. in the meantime, you know, there are people who have dogs who are just kept at home, are left at home for sort of hours and hours and hours. so i completely agree. but i actually think, i think, you know, to have people saying you should have children is wrong. >> whoever you are, you do what you like in life when it comes to that sort of thing. >> let's, let's, let's move on to this story in the us. the father of a 14 year old boy

accused of killing four people at a high school in the us state of georgia, has been arrested. >> well, this is an amazing story. this this this young man went to school on his second day and killed four people. he went he went with a gun. and what you what? one discovers is that previously, i mean, you know , previously, i mean, you know, months earlier, probably last yeah months earlier, probably last year, the fbi had gone to them and said, look , you know, on, and said, look, you know, on, on, on, on, on this website , on, on, on, on this website, youh on, on, on, on this website, your, your son is saying, you know , that he wants to kill know, that he wants to kill people and school shootings. and the son went, no, no, no, i've been hacked. this really isn't me. and the fbi, they investigated and couldn't do anything because absolutely nothing. so what did the father do? he went out and bought a gun. i mean, you know, an assault rifle for a christmas present for his 14 year old boy. and then, surprise, surprise , and then, surprise, surprise, you know, somebody who is clearly got real problems kills four people. and so the father is being done for second degree murder. >> and he's being tried as an adult, isn't he? the son? yeah.

>> yeah. and the second degree murder charge is pivotal here because second degree murder charges in america means you're being tried for murder, but also child abuse. and the child abuse being, which i think is actually shows quite it's quite insightful for americans at this point, actually, for the father to buy a gun for this 14 year old. well, absolutely. >> and we did speak to a lawyer and the death penalty is an opfion and the death penalty is an option potentially. and i don't think there's anything wrong with that, especially after what, the death penalty for the father. absolutely. >> no, no, no, you can't possibly. why not? because it's against all human. >> no, it's available in georgia. so you might say that. and that might be your view. but in america, that particular state, it is an option. and i'm glad that that's an option, because people like that and depending on what they come up with, i think that should be an option. >> but i think i think it is a warning to say, you know, actually what on earth was happening here, that you're buying your children guns and then you buy what they do that in america. >> i mean, you can do that. >>— >> i mean, you can do that. >> i mean, you can do that. >> i know. well, well. >> i know. well, well. >> and every time people go,

yeah, but shouldn't we do something about the law? they go, oh no, no, no, no. you know, this is this is, this is terrible. i mean, you know, what we need is more guns and then we can shoot the people with the guns >> yeah. no, that's that's what's often happening in the states. i did actually ask the lawyer. why don't people talk about the gun laws in the states? and for some reason or other they don't. but there is no other use than mass massacre for an assault rifle. so why should anyone ? should be banned should anyone? should be banned be allowed? >> there's no use of a gun other than to kill someone, and that is evil and that's wrong. >> but those who would defend the second amendment, united states point to a fear of government overreach, which is something. now, i think you're concerned about. would you not fear the possibility that one day the state could take significant control over you and other other people defending gun rights in the states ? well, i'll rights in the states? well, i'll just finish the point. other people, i will finish this point. whether you like it or not. i'm going to i'm going to give give give ' you g|ve give give you two. do you mean on the second point in regard to actually carrying guns? yes. carrying guns and often defenders of gun rights. and one

of them, they will say that in places where the highest concentration of firearms are available, you actually have the lowest number of gun deaths. they point to cities where there is significant restriction on ownership, where there is more gun death. the problem here, they say, is not the weapon but they say, is not the weapon but the means. we have the same discussion all the time about knives in britain. we talk about clamping down on knives. is that really the problem in britain with knife crime? you know, i'm not so sure it is. >> i think it's the punishment. there's not enough punishment. so when you get caught with that knife, very little happens to you. if there was a potential for the death penalty or something like that, i think a lot of people penalty for having a knife, but also the number of accidents, the number we have to 90, accidents, the number we have to go, we have to go. >> accidental deaths from guns is appalling. i mean, children get hold of, children get hold of them is it is frightening, charlie. >> scarlet. scarlett mccgwire. thank you. claire muldoon. thank you. right. it's time to get your latest news headlines with sam francis . sam francis. >> very good morning to you. just after 11:00. 11:30, rather.

and we'll just start with the breaking line from lewes. crown court this morning that a people smuggler who left a group of migrants banging and screaming for help, concealed in a small space inside a refrigerated van, has been jailed this morning for ten years. and as al mustafa has been sentenced for smuggling seven people from france to the uk. as i say, hiding them in a cramped and fake vehicle compartment, crew members on a ferry carrying that vehicle used an axe to free the migrants. after hearing their pleas for help, one of those victims who suffered a stroke has since developed a long term memory issue as a result of the conditions they were placed in. the home secretary is leading a summit today to address the escalating crisis of people smuggling across the channel. the meeting comes in response to a tragic incident this week where 12 lost their lives when a boat capsized. the deadliest crossing this year so far. yvette cooper will be joined by

key cabinet ministers intelligence officials and law enforcement agencies to target criminal smuggling networks. she says there's a moral imperative to act and wants to see tighter collaboration with european partners. well, with over 21,000 arrivals so far this year, the summit will also focus on enhancing the new border security command . germany is security command. germany is considering using british funded facilities in rwanda to deport migrants entering the european union. it comes as berlin faces mounting pressure to kerb illegal migration following last month's isis linked stabbing at a festival. german officials think the eu should repurpose the asylum facilities that britain set up, which were recently scrapped by sir keir starmer . the uk prison starmer. the uk prison population has hit a record high, with 88,521 inmates as of this morning. that's171 more than the past week. the surge, dnven than the past week. the surge, driven by recent nationwide

disorder, has seen the population of prisons rise now by over a thousand in just the past month. in response, the government says it's considering renting jail cells in estonia to ease overcrowding. meanwhile, a temporary early release scheme is set to begin later this month . is set to begin later this month. and the uk is sending 650 missiles to ukraine in a £160 million boost to its defence against russia. john healey, making his first appearance as defence secretary overseas, will make that announcement at a summit in germany today. make that announcement at a summit in germany today . the summit in germany today. the missiles are part of a larger £3 billion aid package and will be will be delivered by the end of the year . those will be delivered by the end of the year. those are will be delivered by the end of the year . those are the latest the year. those are the latest headunes the year. those are the latest headlines for now. a full roundup at 12:00. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

forward slash alerts. >> thank you sam. well, up at noon. good afternoon britain with tom harwood. tom, what's coming up on your show today? >> well, i'm all alone today. we've managed to time our holidays pretty poorly this week. me and emily. so emily is sunning herself somewhere much , sunning herself somewhere much, much more sunny than the united kingdom. but i've got a big show coming up. nevertheless, we're going to be speaking to some senior politicians. dan jarvis, the security minister, will be on the show. i will be quizzing him over the deaths in the channel this week . did the channel this week. did the government throw away the rwanda deterrent all too soon? it seems that if anything, the numbers coming across the english channel have been rising 8000 since the labour party came into office. that's not what they promised in the general election campaign, although they would argue that actually it was summer. summer. >> summer. >> it was hot, the sea was calmer. which of the river? which is why more people come and don't they normally more people come in august. >> well, that is absolutely true .

>> well, that is absolutely true. we have, however, seen more people now come this year than the same point last year. people now come this year than the same point last year . and it the same point last year. and it does raise the question, are our politicians simply that impotent, that they are just going to say , well, it's the going to say, well, it's the weather, there's nothing we can do? well, if they gave away the deterrent and they've been trying to go after these criminal gangs, you've got a press conference. of course, or a meeting with the home secretary and senior leaders today about all of this. but it doesn't seem that what they're trying to do has been working. they've been in office for more than two months now. >> this interview with dan jarvis really looking forward to it. and i think so. will our viewers. a lot of comments on your say talking about these proposed plans for the border security command. i want to bnng security command. i want to bring up one quickly for you now. alan asked, shall we ask turkey to stop the small boats that smuggling route without them they'd be beached. and that's a big concern, isn't it? for the security minister and those agencies you've just been mentioning. can they be more than just a domestic force? can they be to international disrupt this billion dollar industry? >> and yet, for years, the british government, both the previous government and this

government have been working with groups in turkey, the turkish authorities and other countries around mark white had a report only a few months ago about the seizure of boats in turkey . one of the problems, turkey. one of the problems, though, and some reports suggest this today, is that some of the more sturdy boats have been seized, meaning that actually it's more rickety boats that migrants are now coming across in, meaning we have had more deaths this week than previously has been the case. so is it actually the policy of smashing the gangs without a deterrent that potentially has caused more deaths in the channel, because the migrants still want to come ? the migrants still want to come? it's just they have less seaworthy vessels in which to do so . 50. >> so. >> well, listen, tom, it will be lovely to hear your thoughts. his show is coming up next. he's not all by himself, though, because he's got his brand new teeth with him as well . stay teeth with him as well. stay with us. that's coming up at midday. still to come. which tea brand has been declared the best brew? >> this is britain's newsroom on gb news. see you soon after the

break. >> it's coming up to 42 minutes after 11:00. good morning. this is britain's newsroom with charlie peters and me. nana akua. >> well, we love to hear what you have to think about the stories we've been covering today. keep sending in your views and post your comments on gbnews.com forward slash your say. i just want to read out a couple that we've got in the last hour. lady westminster says stop blaming other countries like turkey. this is on the small boats issue. the problem is the lack of a uk border force and repetitive uk government's failing to deal .with this issue. >> i'm with her, i'm with her. i'm sick and tired of hearing the thing about turkey. if we didn't make the place so appetising and invite literally our percentage of people who actually get sent back is virtually practically near zero. that's why people come here, because they know their chances of staying here are much higher.

we are actively without meaning to, in a sense, encouraging people to take that journey , ian people to take that journey, ian says on starmer's recent trip to germany . did says on starmer's recent trip to germany. did he did he says on starmer's recent trip to germany . did he did he secretly germany. did he did he secretly hand over the keys to the rwanda complex? because it does feel a little bit like that. literally. you've given off this wonderful . you've given off this wonderful. i thought it was a brilliant idea, cynthia said. charlie and nana great. >> oh, that's very sweet, isn't it? on our first time. and finally, s atkinson. no full name. they're very secretive. even the us support foreign criminals who are tracked down, arrested and charged with deportation papers, then sent to holding units. we are the softest touch in the world. well, i don't know about that, but we certainly are facing a bit of trouble on that point for sure. well moving on, i don't get this one. >> why not? the competition watchdog, cma, has launched an investigation into ticketmaster over the oasis concert sales. >> now this comes as fans were met with price hikes when trying to secure tickets for the band's comeback. so do we need regulations to be better on this issue? well, we're joined now by

stephen davis, a senior fellow at the institute for economic affairs. stephen, what's this all about then? people trying to regulate the sale of tickets? is it the right move , or do we need it the right move, or do we need to let the free market continue for concert tickets? >> well, it's an unnecessary move . there are regulations move. there are regulations already in place which say, for example, that if you're going to offer tickets for sale and use dynamic pricing, you have to make the consumers aware that this might happen. make the consumers aware that this might happen . and so what this might happen. and so what the investigation actually is into is whether or not ticketmaster did that. what i suspect is that they did, in fact do that, but people did not realise either that it was happening or that it would happening or that it would happen so quickly, because i think people are familiar with the way that if you book an airline ticket ahead of time, it's going to be cheaper, which is how dynamic pricing works in that industry. what they didn't expect to, i imagine, is that the price could actually change in real time. while they were waiting to buy a ticket, and by a couple of hundred pounds. now that can happen with things like

airlines or hotel rooms in this case, it happened because the demand for . the tickets was so demand for. the tickets was so high that the technology simply couldn't cope with it, and it triggered the dynamic pricing software to raise the price, not in order to generate more profit. it does do that, but that's not the point of it. but in to order reduce the number of people trying to buy a ticket at a given time so that the technology, the online booking service could actually cope with the level of demand. so that's what's happened . and i don't what's happened. and i don't think you need, you know, government regulation really to deal with this. we already have regulations in place. >> but it worked didn't it. the plan is that supply and demand, it's like a house. you're buying a house. if loads of people want it, you can argue. do you think perhaps what there needs to be is a cap as to how high that price can get, or no, no, there shouldn't be a cap. >> i mean, the point the point about well, it's a question of how you want to allocate the tickets. the fundamental reality is that there are way more people wanting to buy tickets for certain events than there

actually are places available . actually are places available. and so the question is, how do you then share out those tickets? how do you decide who gets the tickets? now, if you go purely with free markets and the price mechanism, then what will happenis price mechanism, then what will happen is that the price will simply rise until it reaches a level at which the number of people who can afford to buy a ticket at that price is the same as the number of tickets. now, you might not want to do that. you might want to have a limit on the price . but the flip side on the price. but the flip side of that is if you do that, a lot of that is if you do that, a lot of people will be disappointed and won't get a ticket. now you've just got to accept that as the price you pay. >> well stephen davies thank you very much. he's a senior fellow at the institute for economic affairs. yeah i don't think these look i can't see there shouldn't be a cap at all. and i used to work years and years ago. first everjob in tv was ago. first ever job in tv was for bid up and price drop. tv was about 30 years ago. and you had like about a thousand of something. and basically everyone paid the either the lowest or the highest price. i was in the i did the rising price auctions. so you'd

basically win a thousand people came in whatever price that reached everyone paid that price. and the same with the falling when everyone so there's always a level of dynamism with pricing, and it's about supply and demand. >> it's surely expect, and i'm sure quite a few people will be watching this topic at home, thinking about what we've been discussing on the programme so far. why is the government focusing on oasis when all of these crises are facing the country? i'm sure plenty will be thinking that at home. but up next, we will be revealing the best british tea . you're with britain's newsroom on gb

soon. now, which budget tea bag has been declared superior to the big name brands? well, we can now reveal that britain's best tasting brew is asda and that's according to customer group , which. >> so yes , asda has been beaten. >> so yes, asda has been beaten. it's beaten. big name brands such as pg tips, tetley and

twinings in a taste test to find britain's best cuppa. chief executive of the uk tea and infusions association, doctor sharon hall joins us now. asda. what a surprise. listen, i shop in asda, though i'll tell you that now. but i love all the asda bargain stuff. but asda is a bit of a surprise for many. >> it's not that much of a surprise actually. >> i've had a look at the data and the sample size was really quite small. >> 79 people. yeah. and actually there were only a couple of percent that separated the brands that they mentioned. so all of the brands scored between 70 and 72%. so they all came out pretty similar. and i'm not surprised at that because we're all very brand loyal. we like the tea that we like and we like that very specific taste. and all of those brands do have a unique taste, depending on what's in that blend and where that tea comes from. >> well, i can see, sharon, you're very difficult to surprise , but look, most people surprise, but look, most people

would expect it to be tetley or one of the big brands. do you know what i mean? >> sure, sure. i mean, i'm i'm totally on board with what sharon said about brand loyalty. with tea, i can remember going on holiday in the past and stuffing half my suitcase with tea bags. yeah, no future brews because i just don't trust what i'm going to get when i get out there. yeah, particularly the united states. i mean, goodness me, some of the stuff that they can sell you there and tea is not so ideal. but asda coming up top, i think that will surprise some people, even if it is a small sample. sharon. >> yeah, i think so. but as i say, it was a percent difference, so i don't i think it's really about as i say, what's in that blend, what people really like. if you like something a little bit stronger, you probably like a blend that has tea from assam in it and probably what most people don't know is, the majority of tea that we drink in this country actually comes from kenya. so kenyan tea will be the big base of most of the breakfast teas that we drink. >> so i wanted to see maybe you can debunk this myth as well. everyone keeps saying that there's more caffeine in tea

than there is in a cup of coffee. so briefly , sharon, is coffee. so briefly, sharon, is this true? no, i knew it wasn't true . true. >> there's about 4042 megs of caffeine in an average cup of tea, and about double that in the amount of coffee. and the thing about tea is it's got a specific amino acid called l—theanine and l—theanine actually smooths out the effects of the caffeine. so you get that sort of smoother effect. so tea can wake you up. lots of people like to drink a cup of tea first thing. get them going. kick start the day. but the l—theanine kind of moderates the jitters that you can sometimes get if you have too much caffeine. thank you sharon sharon hall. >> she's the chief executive of the uk tea and infusions association. thank you very much , association. thank you very much, doctor sharon hall, by the way, don't you? no. right. well listen, lots of you being in touch with your thoughts. they love you, charlie. they love you. they do. i could only find another one saying you're doing another one saying you're doing a good job. well there was one saying for my charlie and nana.

great love, nana. lots of you with your thoughts. let's see. let's read this one here. maybe. why says this? maybe those jailed or awaiting sentences for tweets should be pleading not guilty. and also because that would then take ages, wouldn't it? >> oh yeah. absolutely. i mean, there's the trials being set for all of these cases pushed into 2025. i saw one trial set most recently for a case in 2027. huge backlog problem there. last thing you want to do is being remanded in custody for that. >> well it's just saying says brilliant show nana and charlie, i sincerely hope you team up again very soon now. thank you. that's lovely. well, that's it from us on britain's newsroom. and up next, it's good afternoon , and up next, it's good afternoon, britain with tom harwood. >> we'll see you again tomorrow. well, you might see somebody else tomorrow at 3:00. i won't be there, but. but nana will be there again with deaths in the channel this week we're asking, did the government ditch the rwanda deterrent too soon? >> now germany is looking at it. that and we've heard sending criminals to australia. well,

how about estonia? all that to come . come. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather update brought to you from the met office. there's a rain warning in force across southern areas. we could see some further. further localised flooding and travel disruption today , but travel disruption today, but further north it's actually a very warm and sunny day. we've got an easterly wind that's bringing a bit more of a breeze to northeastern areas, but the northwest, seeing the best of the summery weather or what's left of the summer anyway. across parts of northern ireland, western scotland, northwestern england in particular is where we'll see the best of the sunshine and temperatures climbing to the high 20s for some areas in the far north—west. in the south, though, we've got this rain warning in force through much of the day, and it's going to be a much cooler day across many southern areas. temperatures

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gb news. >> away . >> away. >> away. >> good afternoon britain. it's 12:00 on friday the 6th of september. i'm tom harwood as a dozen migrants die attempting to cross the channel today, the home secretary chairs a landmark summit as she tries to smash the smugglers. but did she give up on rwanda too soon? germany is now exploring the use of abandoned british migrant facilities in the country . facilities in the country. britain used to ship prisoners to off australia. but could

estonia be our next penal colony? well, with just 83 cell spaces left in england and wales, is the government really now looking for answers straight out of the 19th century? we ask that question. and convicted baby killer lucy letby hires a new lawyer to lead her defence. as growing questions are asked about the evidence presented to the jury during her trial. a misguided media storm or miscarriage of . miscarriage of. justice. and here's one for you throughout the show. today, we're going to be asking a question on parenting. gordon ramsay gave an unusual gift to his twin 18 year olds for their 18th birthday. places in the london marathon. yes. while most 18 year olds might get an ipad, maybe a new phone, the lucky

ones might even get a car. know