listening. and keir aren't listening. and keir starmer scrapped the rwanda plan on day one. but now hotels paid for by british taxpayers have been snapped up by german officials who plan to use rwanda to process their own illegal immigrants. has britain become an international laughingstock.7 and with just 83 spaces left in britain's packed prisons, the government is considering exporting cons to estonia's empty nix. now there are more than 10,000 foreign inmates in our prisons. wouldn't that be the best place to start? and the government has sensationally scrapped plans to house 1700 asylum seekers at historic raf scampton. locals are delighted, but with labour's dispersal plans, the solution is the victory hollow. might these men be coming to a street near you soon? that's all coming in your next hour .

next hour. now, just a few moments time, we'll have the latest on the government's attempts to smash the gangs and british prisoners potentially being sent to estonia. bear in mind, we can't even deport terrorists. do you think that's even going to happen? and an astonishing story coming up in the show. mixed martial arts champion conor mcgregor, the notorious, outspoken champion is purportedly standing as president of ireland in 2025. now, you might think this is a mad world idea, but he's got millions of followers, a populist backing, and he plans to knock a huge blow to the political woke establishment. that's all coming up in your next hour. but first, here's your headlines with sophia wenzler. >> martin. thank you. good afternoon. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines just after 3:00, a 27 year old painter and decorator has been sentenced to

nine years in prison for his role in a violent riot outside a rotherham hotel housing asylum seekers, sheffield crown court heard thomas birley engaged in what the judge described as grotesque acts of violence, fuelled by malicious and ignorant social media posts. the judge called it one of the most serious cases of rioting , serious cases of rioting, imposing an extended five year licence because of what he called burley's ongoing dangerousness . spanish police dangerousness. spanish police have found the body of a young man in a mountainous area of majorca , believed to be majorca, believed to be a missing british hiker. his partner, a 26 year old british woman, was found dead earlier this week after a storm hit the island . authorities have been island. authorities have been searching the tramuntana mountains since wednesday , where mountains since wednesday, where flash floods caught ten hikers off guard . two were swept away off guard. two were swept away in the narrow canyon, about five kilometres long and 300m deep. now the home secretary has chaired a summit addressing the escalating crisis of people

smuggling across the english channel. the meeting followed a tragic incident this week where 12 lost their lives when a boat capsized , the deadliest crossing capsized, the deadliest crossing this year . yvette cooper capsized, the deadliest crossing this year. yvette cooper has been joined by key cabinet ministers, intelligence officials and law enforcement agencies to target criminal smuggling networks . she says smuggling networks. she says there's a moral imperative to act and wants to see tighter collaboration with european partners . partners. >> we are determined to go after the criminal gangs. they should not be able to get away with making profit in this way, and we need to build on some of the progress that's been made, increasing the work with our european partners, as we've been doing in recent weeks, and even in the last few weeks. we've seen the work with bulgaria to stop some of the boats and engines that were destined for the channel but we want to go much further, and that's why we have this operational summit today and that's why we see this as such important work . as such important work. >> meanwhile, a people smuggler

who left a group of migrants banging and screaming for help concealed in a refrigerated van has been jailed for ten years. anas al—mustafa has been sentenced for smuggling seven people from france to the uk, hiding them in a cramped fake vehicle compartment. crew members on a ferry carrying the vehicle used an axe to free the migrants. after hearing their pleas for help. one of the victims, who suffered a stroke, has since developed a long term memory issue as a result of the conditions they were placed in. now germany is considering using british funded facilities in rwanda to deport migrants entering the european union. it comes as berlin faces mounting pressure to kerb illegal migration following last month's isis linked stabbing at a festival. german officials think the eu should repurpose the asylum facilities. britain set up, which were recently scrapped by sir keir starmer's government. our political correspondent olivia utley has more. >> there will be those who argue

and in fact conservative mps are already arguing that if the rwanda policy is good enough for germany, if germany believes it will act as a sufficient deterrent to stop illegal immigrants coming over to germany , then why did keir germany, then why did keir starmer choose to throw out that policy on his first day in office and replace it with this rather nebulous plan to smash the gangs ? the gangs? >> now the government says it has no plans to send prisoners to estonia. addressing rumours on policies to ease overcrowded jails, it comes as the uk prisons population hit a record high this morning. now reaching 88,521 inmates, 171 more than last week's peak. downing street insists that building more prisons remains a key priority, and a ten year strategy will be published this autumn to ensure enough space for dangerous offenders . in the us. a 14 enough space for dangerous offenders. in the us. a 14 year old suspect in a school shooting

has appeared in a georgia court facing murder charges after a deadly rampage on wednesday. the attack left four people dead, including two teachers and two students, and wounded nine others. colt grey, who used a semi—automatic rifle, is being held without bail and will be tried as an adult. in a rare move, his father, colin grey , move, his father, colin grey, also faces multiple charges, including involuntary manslaughter, for allegedly allowing his to son access the weapon used in the attack. both are expected to appear in court on friday. areas from london to the west of england are in for a wet end to the week. the environment agency's warning of potential flooding and travel disruptions, especially in low lying areas. roads near the thames in west london could flood at high tide this evening, while devon, the southwest and west sussex remain under alerts. meanwhile, scotland will see the best weather where temperatures could reach 27 degrees. those

are the latest gb news headlines for now , i'm sophia wenzler more for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news. >> .com. forward slash alerts . >> .com. forward slash alerts. >> .com. forward slash alerts. >> thank you sophia. now home secretary yvette cooper has been meeting with ministers and law enforcement officials today as she sets out labour's plans to destroy criminal smuggling gangs. this comes following the tragic incident, of course, in the channel this week as 12 perished and many more are still in a critical condition. now, the home secretary says it's a moral imperative to take charge of the situation and to discuss this. i'm joined in our studio by our political correspondent olivia utley . olivia, the olivia utley. olivia, the numbers are astonishing. nearly 22,000 illegal immigrants have arrived this year, almost 9000

since the labour party were elected. there's 1.5 since the labour party were elected. there's1.5 million illegal immigrants in the uk, and in response to this, they hold a meeting with the greatest of respect. you know, the people smugglers are hardly going to be quaking in their knock off nikes, are they? >> well, i'm not sure if this makes it better or worse, but this meeting was actually planned quite a few weeks ago before the tragedy in the channel this week. as you say, it was just essentially a conversation yvette cooper managed to get a pretty impressive array of characters together. it was the foreign secretary, the justice secretary. then you've got the crown prosecution service, you've got the nca represented as well. you've got the police represented too. and they discussed the moral imperative of smashing the gangs. but discussion doesn't really go far enough, as you say, 7000 or 8000 migrants since labour became came into powerjust in july and

22,000 already this year. came into powerjust in july and 22,000 already this year . the 22,000 already this year. the labour party obviously decided to throw out the rwanda plan wholesale as soon as it came into power in july, and that decision is coming under a pretty harsh spotlight at the moment because the german government , the new german government, the new german government, the new german government, has suggested that it might use the facilities which have been paid for by british taxpayers in rwanda, which have now been abandoned by britain to house their own asylum seekers who have come illegally to germany. now it's a little bit different because the british plan was to send migrants to rwanda indefinitely. they wouldn't have a chance of coming back. whereas the german plan is to process their claims offshore, and then those who had a valid claim would be allowed to come back to germany. but still, it isn't a fantastic look. if those facilities are good enough for the germans, then why? conservative mps are asking , was then why? conservative mps are asking, was it not then why? conservative mps are asking , was it not good then why? conservative mps are asking, was it not good enough for keir starmer and where is the deterrent policy? because

the deterrent policy? because the whole point of rwanda, it didn't work and there is no saying that it was a wonderful idea because it never came to fruition. but the point was that you would try and make it so that migrants didn't want to come over here in the first place, because they would immediately be sent to rwanda. keir starmer doesn't really have an alternative to that. what what yvette cooper was talking about today was processing migrants claims faster to send them back more quickly. well, that's one half of the equation. but you have a never ending stream of migrants wanting to come over here and however fast you send them back, unless you have a reason for them not to want to come over here in the first place. this will just continue to be a problem. >> olivia utley you've absolutely nailed it there. i mean, the fact of the matter is, the yvette cooper said that she hopes hopes to get 14,500 returned by the end of the country. now, i still hope to make it as a professional footballer. i still hope to get to the moon . i digress, but the to the moon. i digress, but the point is 14,500 by the end of the year won't even be two

thirds of those who arrived this year thus far. the fact of the matter is, appointing a hundred lawyers, 100 pen pushers, whatever you want to call them to tackle this. is that robust enough when really what we are crying out for, many people would say is an actual deterrent to stop that pull factor in the first place. >> well, it's a really tricky one because to be fair to the labour government, the conservatives deterrent policy simply didn't work. they put a lot of parliamentary time into it. they put a lot of money into it. they put a lot of money into it. £318 million already paid to the rwandan government, none of which can be recouped. and between june 2022, when the idea was first mooted, and may 2024, when the election was called, not a single migrant was sent to rwanda. so you could argue, and keir starmer has argued, that it's just not pragmatic and he wants to be pragmatic. but as you say, if you're just sending people back and not really at the rate that they would need to be sent back simply to keep up with arrivals, you still have that problem of that never ending flow of migrants wanting to come over here and as for

smashing the gangs, obviously it's something that the previous government wanted to do as well, but it's not that straightforward. you don't just sort of take out the big boss like you might do in a in a sort of crime drama where you have one lynchpin who's holding it all together. these are tiny little gangs setting up all the time. very very informal, unstructured, moving up and down the beaches all the time. breaking them up is much more easily said than done. >> again, excellent summary. olivia utley superb playing whack a mole with these people. now moving on from labour's plans to smash the gangs, as we just discussed for a moment, there, germany might have plans to revive the rwanda plan. well, this comes as a senior german migration figure has proposed using britain's failed but funded rwanda plan to deport migrants who arrive in illegally into the eu. well, joining me now to discuss this is doctor mike jones, the executive director of migration watch. welcome to the show. always a pleasure. doctor jones, let's be pleasure. doctorjones, let's be honest. this was scrapped on day one. now, also not a single person ever voluntarily went to rwanda. not through lack of trying, you might add. sir keir

starmer, meanwhile, went on his trans continental love in trying to get an immigration pact with olaf scholz in germany and president macron in france. we don't know if anything came of that. but what we do know is once again typical. just like going on holiday, the germans have nicked our hotels . have nicked our hotels. >> yeah, it's quite ironic , >> yeah, it's quite ironic, martin. you know, sir keir starmer wants this sort of transnational, pro—eu approach to the illegal migration problem. but, germany is now considering a sort of rwanda type scheme. i mean, the thing about the rwanda plan is it was flawed in certain ways. there were too many loopholes there and possibilities for appeal, however, it did have the potential to act as a deterrent. you know, we saw this with illegal migrants trying to, you know, flee the uk to the

repubuc know, flee the uk to the republic of ireland , ultimately, republic of ireland, ultimately, you know , rwanda was last chance you know, rwanda was last chance saloon for the previous government. now, if labour wants to abolish this and they have they needed an alternative plan in place. but they don't . their in place. but they don't. their plan is basically to fast track deportations to safe countries , deportations to safe countries, you know, countries deemed safe by the human rights authorities. and i'm completely supportive of that. and i'm completely supportive of that . but the vast majority of that. but the vast majority of these people are fleeing from unsafe countries . and, you know, unsafe countries. and, you know, even if their asylum applications are rejected, you can't actually deport them. so the labour party's approach is, is completely wrong . is completely wrong. >> and, mike, just to clarify, there is a bit of a different point between the german's use of rwanda and what was proposed by rishi sunak's government, and thatis by rishi sunak's government, and that is it will be overseen by international lawyers, humanitarian , humanitarian humanitarian, humanitarian lawyers with the support of the

united nations. and if people are deemed safe to return to germany and get asylum, they will go back. so there is a different point to what rishi sunak was proposing. nevertheless, it will be used as an offshore containment and processing centre , precisely the processing centre, precisely the sort of thing that people have been crying for since 2010. does this make us an absolute international laughingstock? the fact that the germans have just gonein fact that the germans have just gone in and taken our idea that we've paid for from right under our noses. our doses. >> our noses. >> yeah, i mean rwanda. rwanda type schemes are being proposed all across europe. it's not just germany. there are a number of scandinavian states who are also considering this . and, you know, considering this. and, you know, it makes sense logically , it makes sense logically, because if you want to stop illegal migration, ultimately you have to deport people to their country of origin. and if that's not possible , you you that's not possible, you you have to deport them to a third safe country. and, you know, obviously , mr kagame and the

obviously, mr kagame and the government in, in rwanda is very open to this . and it doesn't open to this. and it doesn't surprise me that european states are considering this , there's are considering this, there's this meme going around the internet that, you know, sir keir starmer is this, you know, sort of sensible centrist dad type public figure who's in touch with middle england on the migration issue. but it's complete nonsense, you know, if sir keir starmer was this, you know, sort of, noble centrist figure, he would have said, listen, you know, i personally don't agree with the rwanda plan, but we spent an awful lot of money on this. we've invested an awful lot amount of human, political capital, let's trial it for six months, you know, let's see what happens. i don't think it will work. he could say, but let's see how it pans out. but he didn't. he just scrapped it. and i think that's

completely outrageous. >> okay, we have to leave it there, doctor . mike jones, there, doctor. mike jones, executive director of migration watch . it really does sometimes watch. it really does sometimes feel like the lunatics have taken over the asylum system. thank you very much. now, i'll have lots more on that story throughout the show of course, there's plenty of coverage on our website, gbnews.com. and you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. so thank you very much . now we're you very much. now we're entering the final weeks of our £30,000 great british giveaway, so there's still plenty of time to get your entry in. now, what would you do with all the extra tax free cash? here's all the details that you need for your chance to trouser it. >> there's an incredible £36,000 to be won in the great british giveaway. that's like having an extra £3,000 each month to play with. and because it's totally tax free, you get to keep every penny and spend it. however you like. we could be paying for your entire year until 2025. how amazing would that be? for another chance to win £36,000 in tax free cash text cash to

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channel. welcome back. 322. with me martin daubney on gb news. now, have you ever struggled to point out estonia on a world map? well, now prisoners could soon be spending their sentences there because government sources have revealed plans are in the pipeline to transfer criminals from british jails into estonian jails, which have been labelled as a solution to tackle britain's overcrowded prison crisis. now, the estonian justice minister revealed that a number of countries are interested in using estonia's unused prison space. is this labour's plan to tackle crime, and will it work? well, joining me now to discuss this, the potential proposal is the social campaigner winston davis. winston, always a huge pleasure to see you on the show. now regular viewers will know you've served time yourself and you've served time yourself and you've served time yourself and you've served time in prisons. now, let's face it , chocolate let's face it, chocolate absolutely packed to the rafters . absolutely packed to the rafters. as an inmate, how would how

would the notion go down of, okay, the jails are full, you're off to estonia. how would that go down? >> yeah, i mean , no one's going >> yeah, i mean, no one's going to want to be going anywhere other than this country, but to go to a country which has got the third highest murder rate in the third highest murder rate in the in europe, behind lithuania and latvia, again, it would even be even worse, so would it deter people from committing crime, maybe . maybe not. but certainly maybe. maybe not. but certainly when i come back, if they come back, they're going to be more, potentially more, you know, willing and wanting to do more ruthless crime. you know, they say that the chances to stop people committing crime are family ties, housing and employment. well, if you cut off their , their, their links to their, their, their links to their, their, their links to their country and their family , their country and their family, then you know what could happen. i don't know . i don't know. >> and winston, on that basis, i mean, you're absolutely right. you know, having family to come

and see you, to keep your spirits up, to keep that connection to the outside world is an imperative. in fact, it's enshrined in british legal rights. it is a human right of people in jails. now, people can complain about that or the like, but that's the way it is. but should. do you think there be a pecking for order example, we have over 10,000 foreign prisoners in british jails, and we have returns agreements with a lot of countries. we've got 1500 albanians in british jails. we have a returns deal with albania . surely the answer isn't albania. surely the answer isn't to send english lads, british lads whatever to estonia, but to actually deal with the capacity. we have 10,000 foreign criminals. maybe it's a more sensible idea, winston, to send them back to their countries . them back to their countries. >> i actually agree with you, martin. the number one, foreign criminals in in proportion in ourjails criminals in in proportion in our jails are from criminals in in proportion in ourjails are from albania. i think it's lithuania and ireland, one of them irish and

it's like, look, if they're committing crime and they get locked up in this country, it's like, what are we paying for them to be here? like, you know, send them straight back , never, send them straight back, never, never to return and work out that way. we should we definitely shouldn't be sending people out when we can. i said this a few weeks ago when i was on, i said the one the foreign criminals in here that we can get out, especially lower level ones that you know, are on short sentences or maybe not for violent crime, just send them back , back, >> i totally agree. and when you look at the numbers you're right. so it's almost 1500 albanians, 856 polish inmates, 758 romanians, as you say, 624 irish, over 400 lithuanians, 400 jamaicans, 300 pakistanis, 280 somalians, 199 jamaicans, 300 pakistanis, 280 somalians,199 nigerians. i could go on. you get the point. we have a system. we're being told now, winston, today we have 83 spaces in british jails, and yet we have 10,321 foreign prisoners. to me, this is a no

brainer. >> it is. i think it's like it's all about, you know, doing the this early dawn initiative next month, reducing the sentences to 40%. but actually, if we did a knee jerk of taking out the foreign, prisoners, taking them out and sending them back to wherever they've come from, regardless of the sort of the financial implication of it. how have you worked that out between the countries? just get them out because we can't keep them here, that that million percent makes sense. and then we then if you look at the overhaul of what's led us to this in, in the article we're talking about, former lord chief justice thomas, he says, you know, he's a lawyer. he went to cambridge and he says that, you know, we've been increasingly increasing the sentences for longer. and longer time, but we're looking at what kind of effect on it . and realistically, effect on it. and realistically, i've said it before, we've had an explosion of private prisons. and the only ones that are really benefiting from this explosion of prisons and the explosion of prisons and the explosion of prison sentences are the people of the shareholders of these privately owned prisons, you know, we

looked at yesterday , yesterday looked at yesterday, yesterday come out of this report from grenfell. it's the first time in my memory that we've actually got evidence that because of cuts from government, which is fed down to the private industry , fed down to the private industry, that then people's lives and us as a citizens are being put at risk. well, actually, is it too far of a stretch of imagination to think that the government, private prisons, private shareholders are all benefiting and again, us taxpayers are the ones that are suffering . ones that are suffering. >> and winston, you know, i, i just love talking to you because you've got such common sense. and i want to get you to tell the viewers again today about the viewers again today about the positive benefits of prison. and i'm assuming that the quality of environment, the chance of rehabilitation, the chance of rehabilitation, the chance of rehabilitation, the chance of getting an education, an active job inside is directly impacted by how packed the prison is. overcrowded prisons. you're you have more containment alone because there's more chance of violence when you're in there. so if the capacity is

eased in jails , there is more eased in jails, there is more chance for rehabilitation. and winston , i want you to just to winston, i want you to just to tell us again how prison works for you 100%. >> yeah. no. so i was convicted. 16 years ago after getting caught with marijuana . i learned caught with marijuana. i learned a trade up in their heating. gas, i come out, realised that you know, that wasn't for me, i met my missus, got married, i built businesses from it. i've employed both people in the community serving prisoners and i. i'm a chair of a charity. now. i do my best to give back because i understand that who i am is not a reflection of my past and my childhood, where i grew up and i do everything i can to be a good father, a good man in the community and try my best just to lead a decent life. >> and winston, when you when you sort of see the state of the of the british prison system at the moment it seems to be lurching from disaster to disaster. on the one hand, we have 83 places left. we have 10,000 foreign criminals, more than you. you made a good case

for why that shouldn't be the way it is. and yet we're putting people in jail for facebook posts. and do you think sometimes that the entire law and order system just doesn't seem to fulfil its purpose? >> i think the problem is , >> i think the problem is, martin, we've got too many people in too high positions that have not got a clue what it's like leading a normal life in this country and dealing with the strains and pressures in this country. and for too long they've just we've just been ignored. and now we're we're being made to feel the blame for the problems that have been created by people that have got the control . and that's the the control. and that's the issue. and that's always been the issue. and especially in the last 30, 40, 50 years. >> okay. we'll have to leave it there. you know , it's always an there. you know, it's always an absolute delight speaking to you. you know, winston davis, i think you're a wonderful man. thank you very much for joining me on the show and sharing your story once again. superb stuff. now, early today, number 10 said that the lord chancellor has been clear that we have to bring in reforms to tackle the prison capacity crisis. and that's why, alongside our commitment to

build more prisons, we will be publishing a ten year strategy in the autumn to set out how we will ensure that we will always have the places we need to keep dangerous offenders behind bars on those reports specifically, i would point out that this was the policy of the former government and that this government and that this government has made no such plans or announcements with regard to estonia. so on the one hand, they're doing it, on the next they're saying they're not. anyway, we need some new ideas because we can't carry on as we are, can we now? lots more still to come between now and 4:00, including the boss of lloyds bank coming out and advising britain's cyclists to get insurance, as well as all the latest on raf scampton. there won't be 7000 asylum seekers moving in there, but is it a hollow victory? but first, here's your headlines and it's sophia wenzler. >> martin thank you . good

>> martin thank you. good afternoon. it's 331. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines. a 27 year old painter and decorator has been sentenced to nine years in prison for his role in a violent riot outside a rotherham hotel housing asylum seekers. sheffield crown court heard thomas birley engaged in what the judge described as grotesque acts of violence, fuelled by a malicious and ignorant social media posts. the judge called it one of the most serious cases of rioting, imposing an extended five year licence because of what he called burley's ongoing dangerousness . the home dangerousness. the home secretary has chaired a summit addressing the escalating crisis of people smuggling across the engush of people smuggling across the english channel. the meeting follows a tragic incident this week where 12 people lost their lives when a boat capsized, the deadliest crossing this year. yvette cooper has been joined by key cabinet ministers intelligence officials and law enforcement agencies to target criminal smuggling networks. she says there's a moral imperative to act and wants to see tighter

collaboration with european partners in the us. a 14 year old suspect in a school shooting has appeared in a georgia court facing murder charges after a deadly rampage on wednesday. the attack left four people dead, including two teachers and two students, and wounded nine others. colt grey, who used a semi—automatic rifle, is being held without bail and will be tried as an adult. in a rare move, his father, colin grey, also faces multiple charges , also faces multiple charges, including involuntary manslaughter, for allegedly allowing his son to access the weapon used in the attack. both are expected to appear in court on friday. areas from london to the west of england are in for a wet end to the week. the environment agency is warning of potential flooding and travel disruptions , especially in low disruptions, especially in low lying areas. roads near the thames in west london could flood at high tide. this evening, while devon, the south—west and west sussex remain under alerts. meanwhile

scotland will see the best weather where temperatures could reach 27 degrees. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> cheers! britannia wine club proudly sponsors the gb news financial report , and here's financial report, and here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. >> the pound will buy you $1317! >> the pound will buy you $1.3171 and ,1.1881. the price of gold is £1,904.09 per ounce, and the ftse 100 is 8233 points. >> cheers ! britannia wine club >> cheers! britannia wine club proudly sponsors the gb news financial report .

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welcome back. the time is 338. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. john neale, the chief executive of lloyd's of london, said it's not such a daft idea to expect cyclists to consider having insurance to protect themselves and other road users. what do you think of this? because there was a case recently. and joining me to discuss this now is danica mccarthy, the founder of stop killing cyclists. always a pleasure to have you on the

show. thank you for joining pleasure to have you on the show. thank you forjoining us. show. thank you for joining us. now let's just talk about a case that broke this week. you know, that broke this week. you know, that will be fully aware. a drunk cyclist ploughed into two girls so heavily, one of them had to have a finger amputated . had to have a finger amputated. and when they tried to get recompense from this drunk cyclist, there was no way they could do it. because he had no money. he couldn't afford to pay compensation. and surely in that instance, insurance for that cyclist would have been a fair and proper thing for him to have had?in and proper thing for him to have had? in that case, why not insure all cyclists ? insure all cyclists? >> i find it very unusual from you, martin, as an advocate of deregulation , introducing a deregulation, introducing a whole blizzard of regulations to tackle a tiny nut. do you know how many people are hit by bicyclists? a year through either the cause of this pedestrian or cycle you're talking about 400, 136,000 are hit by drivers, 1 million of which drivers are not insured. so when drivers massively damage

people, the people have no recumbent sense in those situations either, john neil is the ceo of, of lloyd's of london a huge insurer. he looks at the idea of imposing a 47% of households in martin. 47% of households in martin. 47% of households in martin. 47% of households in britain own a bike, so that would mean nearly 50% of britons would have to pay new insurance for a tiny, tiny amount of cases that are statistically invisible. it's nuts. >> now, i must agree with you on that point. i also thought a bloke who owns insurance company wants to flog loads more insurance policies on that. we can smell the same whiff of cynicism . however, i also agree cynicism. however, i also agree that people that don't have insurance on their cars should be very heavily prosecuted . be very heavily prosecuted. every cyclist, every pedestrian, anybody who's hurt by a runaway motorist without insurance for a vehicle , that's a grotesque vehicle, that's a grotesque thing to happen. but also there

are a lot of accidents. i drive around london a lot. you cycle around london a lot. you cycle around london a lot. you cycle around london a lot. i take pubuc around london a lot. i take public transport around london a lot. a lot of incidents happen on the roads because of cyclists. we see a lot of red lights being jumped. we see a lot of infractions happening . so lot of infractions happening. so surely in the spirit of fairness, it's time to apply the law with uniformity to apply the law with uniformity to apply the law uniformly between a cyclist which has the killing power of 1,000th of a car driving 20mph. >> doesn't make sense, martin. less people are killed by bike than are killed by cows. do you want every single cow in britain to have road insurance? this is absolutely insured. but actually the farmers have to insure their cows. >> cows. >> they go down my dad's garden all the time, and my dad's always claim insurance. not off the cows, but off the farmer if you want. >> if you want to insure compulsory insurance for cyclists, what you will do is you'll force thousands of people off the road and that will lead

to increased number of deaths. because the health implications of not exercising daily is lethal. we have a health crisis in this country, martin, from people not exercising properly. cycling has been estimated by the university of glasgow to reduce the incidence of major diseases, whether cancers, lung disease, dementia by 40%. so the cost for drivers and the cost for insurance and the cost for household would soar because of this silly idea. >> okay, okay. what about a compromise? because the present law says that vehicles that are propelled need insurance and that's motor vehicles. but a lot of these electric bikes, these e—bikes, now they are propelled and they go really, really quickly. and they are much, much heavier than an ordinary push bike. should they fall into a new and separate category. >> they any a bicycle, an e—bike by law has to have a speed restrictor on it. i've got an e—bike. >> it has get around them

easily. there's hacks all over the internet. >> yeah, that's illegal. and that should be. that's illegal and that should be charged by the police. no problem with that. we completely agree with that. we completely agree with that. we completely agree with that . but. that. we completely agree with that. but. but that. we completely agree with that . but. but e—bikes that. we completely agree with that. but. but e—bikes have that. we completely agree with that . but. but e—bikes have a that. but. but e—bikes have a speed limit. i can't go above 15 miles, three kilometres an hour. and where i think if you want bicyclists and drivers to be treated, the same, why shouldn't they? drivers have compulsory speed limiters, mandatory speeds because that would save , because that would save, hundreds of thousands of injuries and hundreds of lives every year. martin, we have the they have we now have voluntary speed limiters in in cars. it should be made mandatory , should be made mandatory, >> danica, please don't give the government ideas about mandatory speed limits on cars , because speed limits on cars, because you know that they'll do that anyway. mate, please. it's friday. don't give them terrible ideas. look, it's always an absolute pleasure talking to you. it's great to have a debate. danica mccarthy, absolute delight. founder of stop killing cyclists have a great weekend. thank you. now coming up, we'll be hearing about the home office decision to no longer use raf scampton to

house asylum seekers. is it a victory or is it a hollow victory? because where will those asylum seekers go? will they coming to a street you soon? i'm martin daubney on

welcome back. time is 346. i'm martin daubney on gb news. the labour party have have got scraps plans to house asylum seekers at raf scampton, claiming the site does not offer value for money. now our reporter will hollis brings us this report from scampton. >> the news that raf scampton will not be used to house asylum seekers has been met with relief and celebration here on the outside of the airbase, not just from the local people who border the fencing that used to house the fencing that used to house the famous dambusters 617

squadron, but also the local council west lindsey, who have been fighting a legal campaign against the home office and particularly the former conservative government since it was announced that 2000 asylum seekers would be moving into the historic airbase. i've been speaking today to the leader of west lindsey district council, liberal democrat trevor young, extremely worried, and we took some extremely difficult and brave decisions as a small district council. >> i think the previous government underestimated how hard we would fight to protect the site. we're absolutely delighted of the decision today, and we'll work with the labour government to make sure that we deliver on this site. >> the decision has been made by the labour government to scrap the labour government to scrap the plans to house asylum seekers at the former airbase, scampton, because of what they describe as value for money. they think that despite £60 million having already been

spent on portacabins and the facilities that would make it worthy of housing, asylum seekers, that the extra £122 million that would be spent now from august, when asylum seekers were due to move in here until the end of 2027, when legally, the end of 2027, when legally, the home office had the right to use scampton would not be, as they describe value for money. as i say, it's been met with relief and celebration by people who live here in scampton . who live here in scampton. >> well, they're ecstatic in the community there in scampton, a story we've been covering for many, many months here on gb news. and joining me now to discuss this further is sarah carter, who's the campaigner from save our scampton s.o.s. your s.o.s. was heard sarah carter at long last. before we talk about what might happen next, tell us about the elation within the community. >> i mean, people are coming up and telling me about how they, as soon as they heard, they were

just jumping up in the air and singing and dancing. and i think a lot of people are in a little bit of disbelief as well, because we've been waiting for this on monday, it would have been six months, so when you've been six months, so when you've been waiting for something for so long and it finally happens, it's like has has that really happened? so, yeah , everybody's happened? so, yeah, everybody's celebrating at the moment. >> and sarah, just for those who maybe aren't aware of the heritage of this story, tell us about the plans and tell us why you maintained from the very, very beginning that scampton was completely unacceptable and unsuitable for this kind of development. >> well, apart from the fact that you know, we live on the former married quarters , so we former married quarters, so we are a six foot wire fence away from the housing that was proposed, and we've got a £300 million regeneration plan from scampton holdings that we're working with west lindsey district council to make sure that the history and the heritage, the, you know , the heritage, the, you know, the story of the dambusters was

going to be celebrated and it was going to keep its character. we were going to have education centre , a satellite company centre, a satellite company wants to put satellites up into space from here. there was so much potential and to the to have the possibility of losing that was horrendous. and now, you know, things can hopefully carry on with the original plans now. so yeah , we've all got our now. so yeah, we've all got our fingers crossed that it's all going to go to plan now. >> and sarah, 1700 asylum seekers were planned for the area and ostensibly they would have been military age men. that's a phrase that no critics of such schemes hate. but that's the brutal truth. it would have been a lot of men parading around the area with not a lot to do, the funny thing about this is that different parties didn't want this for different reasons. you didn't want it for very, very tangible reasons. it would have directly impacted

upon your community, your quality of life, your property values, everything that's everybody understands that. moving on to why the labour party don't want it. and i want to explore the idea, is this actually, well, it's a great victory for scampton. is it a hollow victory for the country because it won't stop the problem. it will simply transfer the problem elsewhere, will it not? sarah carter, because the labour party in their print, they're saying dispersal of asylum seekers is plan b, and we all know what that means, sarah. cos it means that the 1700 people earmarked for scampton will be dissipated across the nafion will be dissipated across the nation instead . nation instead. >> well, it increased from the original 1500 to 2000 and they dropped it back down to 800. i think is trying to find a way of some sort of compromise, thinking that we're back off a bit, but, yeah, their plans, if it was down to me, we wouldn't be trying to house 2000 people elsewhere because i would have stopped the boats. you know ,

stopped the boats. you know, whatever it took, i would have made sure that the boats were stopped . so that's the first stopped. so that's the first issue that they've got to, to to, handle, stop more people coming over. so we're not getting into situations like this. and yeah, my heart goes out to the people that are now going to have, you know, their next door neighbours, are going to be these men that were supposed to be housed here and we've been quite honest that it's not just, i mean , we've it's not just, i mean, we've been called racist, we've been called everything. but when you look 2000 men, the other side of a fence with 750 people, a community and nursery school, a primary school, you know, you could be bank managers, you could be bank managers, you could be bank managers, you could be like german. i don't know, tyre fitters or french . it know, tyre fitters or french. it doesn't matter what nationality. it's the fact that 3000 men are going to be the other side of this fence. unknown men, undocumented men, you know , we undocumented men, you know, we have to take everything into consideration and the thought

that they will now be out in the community, i mean, yeah, okay. it's better that they're not en masse having 2000 men all in one place. we've seen down in wethersfield the conflicts that have been happening between the different factions down there. so, i mean, we won't have that , so, i mean, we won't have that, but you're still then putting it onto another community somewhere. and, you know, if you want help fighting the home office, give me a call . office, give me a call. >> okay. well, sarah carter, i know you fought a long and hard battle. you've been very respectful, very law abiding , respectful, very law abiding, very peaceful. well done on your battle. and you've won there in scampton. thank you very much for joining us on the show now. thank you. now we're discussing next on the government's attempts to smash the gangs in just a moment. do you have any faith in the labour party's plans to smash the gangs? because 8000 have arrived since the labour party came into power? it seems the gangs simply aren't getting the memo. that's all coming next. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel, but now it's time for your weather.

>> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . solar sponsors of weather on. gb. news >> hello. good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. there's further heavy rain to come, particularly into the south—west through this evening in the north—west though staying dry and warm through the next few days and across the east coast with an easterly wind pulling in off the north sea. there'll be quite a lot of cloud around through this evening and into the start of saturday as well. still some drizzly rain across some northeastern coasts of scotland and england, as well as across the south, where we'll see heavy rain now that will push and become more focused into parts of south wales, as well as some northern areas of devon as well, so we could see some further surface water through this evening here. a lot of cloud around tonight and after a pretty warm day for many of us, temperatures are going to be quite mild for the time of year to start the day on saturday. but if you're after sunshine, you're going to have

to head up to the north and west through saturday as across the south, although there is a little bit of a respite from the rainfall to come. first thing tomorrow, there will be further outbreaks of rain later on in the day, but across northwestern areas of england, northern ireland as well as northwestern scotland, the highlands, seeing the best of the sunshine and the highest temperatures. but we'll see haar and low cloud across eastern coasts of the north throughout the morning. that should burn back a little through the day, but there will be some drizzly rain at the coast. most likely in the north and east. now, where the wet weather has pushed into parts of wales and central areas, we'll see that turn into heavier showers as we head into saturday afternoon . there is a risk of afternoon. there is a risk of thunderstorms in there, so there could be some quite torrential downpours. there's going to be a much cooler day tomorrow in these areas compared to today across the south coast as well. we could see some further heavy rain, but in the north—west once again warm and dry, particularly for the time of year. and compared to recent weather. now the rain across the south will become much more intense as we head into sunday, a risk of some

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gb news. >> well . >> well. >> well. >> hey, very good afternoon to you on this. happy friday. it's 4:00 pm and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster and all across the uk. after another tragic week when 12 illegal immigrants perished in the channel. today the home secretary called an emergency cabinet meeting at the national crime agency. yvette cooper claims she can smash the gangs, but with almost 9000 illegal immigrants arriving since the labour party got into power, it seems the gangs simply

aren't listening. and keir starmer scrapped the rwanda plan on day one of his government and now hotels paid for by british taxpayers have been snapped up by german officials who plan to use rwanda to process their own illegal immigrants. has britain become an international laughing stock ? and with just 83 spaces stock? and with just 83 spaces left in britain's packed prisons, the government is now considering exporting ltns to estonia's empty jails. now there are over 10,000 foreign inmates and our nics. and wouldn't that be a good place to start and conor mcgregor has outlined his plans to run for the irish presidency. but is he the only logical choice? he thinks he is, and he thinks the heavyweight choice for that role. that's all coming up in your next hour. choice for that role. that's all coming up in your next hour . so coming up in your next hour. so conor mcgregor for irish

president. it's a story you almost couldn't make up, but he's quite politically involved individual. he's got millions of followers. he's a populist. he thinks ireland ireland should be for the irish. and he seems serious about rejecting what he calls a woke political classicalism thieves. he calls them chancers and his ideas are attracting some big followers. elon musk has called the idea awesome. could a could that extraordinary thing happen? i'll be talking about that in this show, and likely we'll be talking about that much more. but here's your headlines for sophia wenzler. >> martin. thank you . good >> martin. thank you. good afternoon. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines just after 4:00, a 27 year old painter and decorator has been sentenced to nine years in prison for his role in a violent riot outside a rotherham hotel housing asylum seekers, sheffield crown court

heard thomas birley engaged in what the judge described as grotesque acts of violence, fuelled by malicious and ignorant social media posts. the judge called it one of the most serious cases of rioting, imposing an extended five year licence because of what he called burley's ongoing dangerousness . now the home dangerousness. now the home secretary has chaired a summit addressing the escalating crisis of people smuggling across the engush of people smuggling across the english channel. the meeting followed a tragic incident this week where 12 lost their lives when a boat capsized the deadliest crossing this year. yvette cooper has been joined by key cabinet ministers, intelligence officials and law enforcement agencies to target criminal smuggling networks. she says there's a moral imperative to act and wants to see tighter collaboration with european partners. >> we are determined to go after the criminal gangs. they should not be able to get away with making profit in this way, and we need to build on some of the progress that's been made, increasing the work with our

european partners, as we've been doing in recent weeks, and even in the last few weeks, we've seen the work with bulgaria to stop some of the boats and engines that were destined for the channel. but we want to go much further and that's why we have this operational summit today, and that's why we see this as such important work. >> meanwhile, a people smuggler who left a group of migrants banging and screaming for help concealed in a refrigerated van has been jailed for ten years. anas al mustafa has been sentenced for smuggling seven people from france to the uk, hiding them in a cramped fake vehicle compartment. crew members on a ferry carrying the vehicle used an axe to free the migrants . after hearing their migrants. after hearing their pleas for help. one of the victims, who suffered a stroke, has since developed a long term memory issue. as a result of the conditions, they were placed in. germany is considering using british funded facilities in

rwanda to deport migrants entering the european union. it comes as berlin faces mounting pressure to kerb illegal migration following last month's isis linked stabbing at a festival. german officials think the eu should repurpose the asylum facilities that britain set up, which were recently scrapped by sir keir starmer's government. our political correspondent olivia utley has more. >> there will be those who argue, and in fact conservative mps are already arguing that if the rwanda policy is good enough for germany, if germany believes it will act as a sufficient deterrent to stop illegal immigrants coming over to germany, then why did keir starmer choose to throw out that policy? on his first day in office and replace it with this rather nebulous plan to smash the gangs? >> in other news, the government says it has no plans to send prisoners to estonia. addressing rumours on policies to ease overcrowded jails, it comes as the uk prison population hit a

record high this morning. now reaching 888,521 inmates, 171 more than last week's peak. downing street insists that building more prisons remains a key priority, and a ten year strategy will be published this autumn to ensure enough space for dangerous offenders now in the us. a 14 year old suspect in a school shooting has appeared in a georgia court facing murder charges after a deadly rampage on wednesday. the attack left four people dead, including two teachers and two students, and wounded nine others. colt grey, who used a semi—automatic rifle, is being held without bail and will be tried as an adult. in a rare move, his father, colin grey, also faces multiple charges , including involuntary charges, including involuntary manslaughter, for allegedly allowing his son to access the weapon used in the attack. both are expected to appear in court today and areas from london to

the west of england are in for a wet end to the week. the environment agency is warning of potential flooding and travel disruptions, especially in low lying areas. roads near the thames in west london could flood at high tide this evening, while devon, the southwest and west sussex remain under alerts. meanwhile, scotland will see the best weather where temperatures could reach 27 degrees. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. now it's back to martin for now. now it's back to martin for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> we've got we've got some breaking news for you now and the police watchdog is to probe the police watchdog is to probe the release of footage to the media of a disturbance at

manchester airport. and this comes after mobile phone video clip of an officer kicking and appearing to stamp on the head of farmers. went viral on social media as he and his brother, mohammed ahmad were restrained by police officers. now further footage, if you recall , obtained footage, if you recall, obtained by the manchester evening news, emerged days later which showed the immediate lead up to the incident back on july the 23rd, including when two female police officers were hit to the ground before mr himars was incapacitated with a taser. so just to repeat that breaking news, the police watchdog is to probe the release of that footage. you recall the footage from that violent incident at manchester airport, where four officers were injured. the police watchdog is to probe the release of that footage to the media of that disturbance at manchester airport, and that's that mobile phone clip of an officer you recall kicking and appearing to stamp on the head of farmers. that went viral on

social media as he and his brother, mohammed ahmad were restrained by police officers, and the further footage, if you recall, that was obtained by the manchester evening news that came out days later, which showed the immediate lead up to that incident on july 23rd, including when two female police officers were hit to the ground before mr himars was incapacitated with a taser. the police are probing how that footage was leaked to the media. it's a significant breaking news story. they're now moving on. the home secretary, yvette coopen the home secretary, yvette cooper, is meeting with ministers and law enforcement officials today as she sets out labour's plans to attempt to destroy criminal smuggling gangs. now this comes following the tragic incident in the engush the tragic incident in the english channel this week as 12 died and many more are still in a critical condition. the home secretary says it's a moral imperative to take charge of the situation, but are they taking charge of it? well, to discuss that, i'm now joined by our

political correspondent, olivia utley olivia. welcome to the studio. it's a moral imperative to smash the gangs, but it seems the gangs simply aren't listening. over 9000 approaching 9000 arrivals now, since the labour party were elected. 22,000 this year. many believe drastic action is needed. is a meeting going to do that? >> well, yvette cooper claims that the meeting today, which was between various british ministers , the national crime ministers, the national crime association and the cps, among other sort of arm's length bodies. she claims that that meeting today , they've made meeting today, they've made progress in the stopping of albanian gangs, specifically speaking to the albanian government about stopping those gangs at source. now, this is something that rishi sunak tried last year and in a way it did work. he made a deal with the albanian government and as a result, there were 70% fewer migrants coming from albania in

2023 than 2022. the problem was that there is basically an endless stream of people who want to come to this country from all over the world. so even though the number of albanians was down by 70% in 2023, overall numbers were pretty much the same as the year before because there was a huge influx of vietnamese migrants coming into the uk . and what that shows is the uk. and what that shows is just the scale of this problem. it's like a sort of medusa's head. you you solve one issue and another one just bubbles up in its place. now, rishi sunak felt that the ultimate answer to this problem was the rwanda scheme. he thought that was going to be the silver bullet, a deterrent to stop people wanting to come to britain in the first place, to deport them to a third country. immediately the logic went and they just won't come over here. that plan never worked out . it was first mooted worked out. it was first mooted in 2022. june 2022 and by may 2024, when the election was called, not a single migrant had actually left for rwanda. and so on day one of his government,

keir starmer said that it was all a gimmick and that he was going to throw it out of the window. now, given how ineffective the rwanda plan was, you can sort of see keir starmer's logic for it. but there are conservative mps who are now saying , well, hang there are conservative mps who are now saying, well, hang on a minute, did you throw the baby out with the bathwater here? at least it was a deterrent strategy. and without a deterrent strategy, you could , deterrent strategy, you could, you know, make the processes to send people back far more efficient. you can have all sorts of bilateral conversations with various countries, and you can get that process much, much slicker. but the crux of the problem is still going to be there, which is that thousands and thousands of people want to come over here and you're spending a lot of resources on getting them back again. and that's assuming that you can keep up sending the amount of people back who are coming in, which at the moment we're certainly not doing. >> and that's a key point, because yvette cooper has said that she hopes to deport 14,500 by the end of the year. the fact of the matter is, 22,000 have arrived already this year and

the year has still got a head of steam to go. september is often the biggest month for crossings, so even if the government's target has said it won't scratch the surface. >> well, exactly. and that's the that's the problem. and while the numbers are still going up and obviously they show no signs of slowing down at all, then if you're deporting sort of two thirds of the migrants who are coming here and that as you say, is the government's lofty goal, it's not at all clear that they're actually going to reach it. the backlog is just going to carry on increasing, and that is why there is an argument to have a deterrent effect in the first place, something which germany is now considering. >> olivia utley. excellent as even >> olivia utley. excellent as ever. thank you very much for joining us on this friday afternoon on the show. now moving on from labour's plans to smash the gangs, as we were just discussing germany might have plans to revive the rwanda plan. well, this comes as a senior german migration figure has proposed using britain's failed but funded rwanda plan to deport migrants who arrive illegally in the european union. you couldn't make it up. but joining me to discuss this now is the director

of the centre for migration and economic prosperity, my good pal stephen wolf. stephen, a delight to see you. it's been too long. is this clown world? time is it seriously time for clown world? this was axed on day one by sir keir starmer, who , by the way, keir starmer, who, by the way, has just been on a transcontinental love in with the germans, with the french to try and form some kind of solution to the trans continental, illegal immigration problem. we don't know what happened there, but what we do know now , wolfie, is that know now, wolfie, is that they've nicked our own plan, just like they nick our sunbeds. >> absolutely. you just couldn't make this up, could you, martin? and good afternoon. it's great to see you. it's like watching an episode of a canned version of. yes prime minister, in which the prime minister of the day is saying we don't like the rwanda plan and the civil servants are saying, no, let's give it to germany. let the germans have it and see what happens and what's happening here is a very clear example of why this government

is weak. it's indifferent to the concerns of the public and is out of its depth when it wants to try and manage the issue of illegal migration, of those coming across the channel. as your your previous speaker , i your your previous speaker, i said there was no deterrence in anything yvette cooper has said, and there's been no deterrence in any speech from keir starmer. but the germans are now looking at the only deterrent the british had rwanda and saying, you know what? it might work after all. so let's take the money that the brits have already done and use it ourselves. laughable, isn't it ? ourselves. laughable, isn't it? >> and there's something that particularly sticks in the craw about that. you know, £700 million was chucked into building these establishments. they're they're tailor made off the peg, sitting empty, waiting to go. now, it's important to point out , stephen, you know point out, stephen, you know your law. you're a barrister, right? so the germans are going to use it in a different way to how the brits would. it won't be

a deportation solution with no prospects of return. right they're going to export and process in germany. so it's not quite the same thing , but quite the same thing, but nevertheless it does beg the question if it's good enough for the germans, why wasn't it good enough for sir keir starmer? >> well, that's because he is caught between this indifference and non—caring part of the labour party that really doesn't concern itself with the impacts of immigration or illegal migration on the prospects of people in this country. the communities that have to face it, the costs of housing and the 8 billion a year that we're spending just on the asylum process in this country, they'd rather take the money from pensioners and concern themselves about raising the wages of their trade union masters than actually looking. one of the biggest costs to us. and when yvette cooper starts saying she wants to smash the gangs, i would turn around that the government is too weak , it's

the government is too weak, it's too apathetic and too divided to actually act. i really would like to have been the fly on the wall in that meeting today, to see if there's anything other than than passing the paper around the table to see whose responsibility it would be. >> in a in a nutshell, stephen wolf, rishi sunak couldn't stop the boats. can the labour party smashed the gangs? >> oh no. and i think anybody who thinks that they genuinely can would actually be one of the most supportive of the labour party. they would have been one of their cult members cheering them on, even even if they took away all the money from pensioners. i mean, that's the sort of person that would actually think that yvette cooper and keir starmer and david lammy could achieve anything. on stopping the gangs. >> stephen wolf, it's always a delight to talk to you . the delight to talk to you. the director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity. thank you very, very much. have a fantastic friday evening. thank you. lots more on that story at 5:00. and there's plenty of coverage on our website, gbnews.com. and you've helped to make it the fastest

growing national news website in the country. so thank you very much . now it's sending prisoners much. now it's sending prisoners to estonia. the ultimate example of this government's being out of this government's being out of their depth on prisons. we'll be answering question next. i'm martin daubney on gb news britain's

welcome back. time is 421 on this friday afternoon. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. ever struggled to point out estonia on a world map? well, new prisoners could soon be spending their sentences there. government sources have revealed that plans are in the pipeline to transfer criminals to estonian jails, which have been labelled as a solution to try and tackle britain's overcrowded prison crisis. the estonian justice minister revealed that a number of countries are interested in using estonia's unused spare prison capacity. now, is this

labour's plan to tackle crime and will it work? well, joining me now in studio, somebody who thinks he knows a thing or two about this is peter bleksley. peter welcome to the studio. so on paper, it makes sense. we're full. they've got capacity. but the point is, who should be going over there? i put it to you. we've got over 10,500 foreign prisoners. surely they should be first in the queue to get sent to estonia. >> well, i'd like those foreign prisoners repatriated to once they came from with the bar on ever returning to the uk. i think that would be a very good way to free up a considerable amount of capacity in our full prisons . but amount of capacity in our full prisons. but this idea is utterly ridiculous on a number of levels. first of all, of course the estonians have capacity, they have lower crime rates than we do. so they're going to say, right, the british are desperate. charge them whatever we fancy. the bill would be astronomical. and

that's just what the estonians would charge us. actually transporting prisoners and deporting people is expensive. you need at least two prison guards to every prisoner. you've then got to get a flight , guards to every prisoner. you've then got to get a flight, and you can only have a specific number of prisoners on any given flight. and when you when you countin flight. and when you when you count in things like the those costs , the bill just goes up and costs, the bill just goes up and up and up . and importantly, if up and up. and importantly, if they were british prisoners who were then going to come back to the uk at their end of term, what would seriously concern me is that this would be a great opportunity for them to carve new links with different criminals from different parts of the world, thereby making them even more efficient criminals when they got back to the uk because they were picking up all sorts of saucy habits in estonia, and they'd be coming back with connections from the continent, they could be importing even more insidious

methods of crime. >> when you talk about the cost, it's a great point. this could be like the rwanda bill, but with bars on it is it's and should it come into being? >> i mean , and we know that >> i mean, and we know that ministers have been having conversations, but none have spoken publicly about it. it will be as damaging to this government as the rwanda plan was to the previous government, without a doubt. >> and you mentioned about the problems of getting people on flights. what about the problems of getting the flights away? we've seen before when we've attempted to deport jamaican criminals , in fact, on these criminals, in fact, on these foreign prisoner lists here peter bleksley jamaicans, there are 403 jamaican nationals in british nick's top of the list. albanians come as no surprise to you . almost 1500 850 polish, 758 you. almost 1500 850 polish, 758 romanians. but to try and get these flights away, you'd have. you'd have tree huggers and whatnot stopping the flights , whatnot stopping the flights, getting off. you'd have to have the human rights lawyers precisely the same sort of

problems that have blighted, the removal of criminals already would surely strike again. >> the human rights lawyers who, through their continual attempts to block deportations, have actually led to prisoners who have been handcuffed on an aeroplane. the wheels almost turning. they've led to those people , those criminals being people, those criminals being taken off those flights and remaining in british jails. that's what certain human rights lawyers do in the name of trying to defeat british justice. all of the aforementioned numbers. get those on planes, deport them back to their home countries. with that proviso, you never return to the uk again. >> now, peter, a lot of people like to get hard on on law and order. of course, but there is also the human right and we must acknowledge it of visitation rights. when you're within a prison , if you're a british prison, if you're a british prisoner, certainly you would have built into your contract youn have built into your contract your, your, your legal rights, visitation rights from your family would that be a problem? another another weak achilles

heelin another another weak achilles heel in this, in this plan which would prevent this ever happening? because if you take somebody from britain, whack them in estonia where they have no family, no connections, no support network, and they suddenly what they start to impact on their mental health, they start to reoffend because they start to reoffend because they feel out of sorts. you create a whole fresh wave of problems. >> that's a very, very important point, because as much as i am in favour of long sentences for people who commit crime, because long sentences are a deterrent and people do learn when they spend a long time in jail. i've met a lot of people who have served ten, 20 years in prison, and they, when they come out, have an absolute intention to never go back inside because they've savoured prison for so long. but in order for people to be rehabilitated , of course they be rehabilitated, of course they need a community to come back into upon their release. and preferably they've got training so they get a job, they've got a supportive family that has stuck around and that includes being visited by loved ones. these

things are important. there is no point punishing people if there's no elements of rehabilitation. and a british prisoner perhaps incarcerated in estonia with a family that couldn't afford to go out there and visit that prisoner, might be a very unhappy person who would return to the uk with a lot of anger in their soul. >> and can i can i ask you a bafic >> and can i can i ask you a basic question? and that is why we have 10,000 foreign prisoners in our nics at the moment. we deport about 3300 a year. we did last year , at any rate. so we're last year, at any rate. so we're getting rid of about a quarter of the foreign prisoners. but when you look at nations like albania, poland , romania, we albania, poland, romania, we have returned deals with them. we have political agreements. this isn't afghanistan, it's not syria, it's not iraq . why are syria, it's not iraq. why are they even in british nics in the first place? peter although we do have prisoners from afghanistan and syria and iraq who have committed extremely

serious, abhorrent crimes. >> and i would like to see them long gone from our shores . quite long gone from our shores. quite frankly, if you take the life of an entirely innocent british person, then i think whatever comes to you when you get returned to your homeland , you returned to your homeland, you have, by and large, brought upon yourself that said, yes, with those other countries that you mentioned , there are political mentioned, there are political agreements. there is cooperation with us and these other nations. so why do we not get them out there ? i think it's a lack of there? i think it's a lack of political will. i think there are failings within the prison service, the home office and beyond . and until we get a fully beyond. and until we get a fully effective , functioning effective, functioning government that can protect its citizens of the uk, which is a government's primary job, then these kind of stories are going to keep surfacing. >> peter bleksley always an absolute delight to have you in the studio. always great to get your opinions. thank you very much. peter bleksley legend. thank you. now we've got a quick statement to read you out here. and that's from this. it says the lord chancellor has been

clear that we have to bring in reforms to tackle the prison capacity crisis, and that's why , capacity crisis, and that's why, alongside our commitment to build more prisons, we will be publishing a ten year strategy in the autumn to set out how we will ensure that we always have the places we need to keep dangerous offenders behind bars. and on those reports specifically, i would point out that this was the policy of the former government and that this government has made no such plans or announcements with regard to estonia. so that is thatis regard to estonia. so that is that is a key point. they're not even planning to do it. it was a tory plan. now lots more still to come between now and 5:00, including the notorious conor mcgregor is looking to face the biggest fight of his life outside of the octagon. plus a round up of politics across the pond as the race for the white house goes gathers pace. but first, it's time for your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler .

wenzler. >> martin. thank you. good afternoon. it's 430. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines . wenzler with your headlines. some breaking news in the last half hour. the police watchdog will probe the release of footage to the media of a disturbance at manchester airport . it comes after a mobile airport. it comes after a mobile phone video clip of an officer kicking and appearing to stamp on the head of farage ahmad, went viral on social media as he and his brother mohammed ahmad were restrained by officers. further footage obtained by the manchester evening news emerged days later, which showed the immediate lead up to the incident on the 23rd of july, including when two female police officers were hit to the ground before mr ahmad was incapacitated with a taser . now incapacitated with a taser. now a 27 year old painter and decorator has been sentenced to nine years in prison for his role in a violent riot outside a rotherham hotel housing asylum seekers. sheffield crown court heard thomas burley engaged in

what the judge described as grotesque acts of violence, fuelled by malicious and ignorant social media posts. the judge called it one of the most serious cases of rioting, imposing an extended five year licence because of what he called burley's ongoing dangerousness . in other news, dangerousness. in other news, the home secretary has chaired a summit addressing the escalating crisis of people smuggling across the english channel. the meeting follows a tragic incident this week where 12 lost their lives when a boat capsized their lives when a boat capsized the deadliest crossing this year so far. yvette cooper has been joined by key cabinet ministers, intelligence officials and law enforcement agencies to target criminal smuggling networks. she says there's a moral imperative to act and wants to see tighter collaboration with european partners . now, collaboration with european partners. now, in collaboration with european partners . now, in the us, collaboration with european partners. now, in the us, a 14 year old suspect in a school shooting has appeared in a georgia court facing murder charges after a deadly rampage on wednesday. the attack left

four people dead, including two teachers and two students, and wounded nine others. colt grey, who used a semi—automatic rifle, is being held without bail and will be tried as an adult in a rare move, his father, colin grey, also faces multiple charges, including involuntary manslaughter for allegedly allowing his son to access the weapon used in the attack and back in the uk , areas from back in the uk, areas from london to the west of england are in for a wet end to the week. the environment agency's warning of potential flooding and travel disruptions, especially in low lying areas. roads near the thames in west london could flood at high tide this evening, while devon, london could flood at high tide this evening , while devon, the this evening, while devon, the south west and west sussex remain under alerts. meanwhile, scotland will see the best weather where temperatures could reach 27 degrees. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. now it's time for martin for the very latest gb news

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seen such anger. but all of our judges. seen such anger. but all of our judges . i mean, we had judges. i mean, we had a brilliant judge and i think a very fair judge in brilliant judge and i think a very fairjudge in florida. i think we have another judge think we have anotherjudge who's very fair. i just asked for a fair. i don't want anything different from anybody else. i just ask for fairness. we have another judge or a we have anotherjudge or a couple of judges that i think are fair. then we have other judges that i think the whole thing is, i think the system is a disgrace. the case that we met

on today. and then we're going to talk about job numbers, which are horrible, by the way, horrible. like really bad. and you know that. i'm sure you won't report on it. but the job numbers are terrible , we're numbers are terrible, we're going to talk about the appeal today. we had a great appellate lawyer go down representing us, and i think john did a very good job. you have a matter of minutes to speak. it's a very complex thing because it was a setup, a rigged deal . they had setup, a rigged deal. they had two witnesses and before i start, i have no idea who this woman is. they have a picture from, they say, about 40 years ago, a picture . and the picture ago, a picture. and the picture depicts her and her husband on a celebrity line where i was the celebrity. i was been a celebrity. i was been a celebrity for a long time and they were shaking my hands along with hundreds of other people .

with hundreds of other people. nobody even knows where it is . nobody even knows where it is. the problem is, she doesn't know the date of this incident. she doesn't know when she doesn't know. was it in the 90s? could it have been further than that? she has no idea. when and people do that because you don't want to give a specific date and then you find out that trump or whoever it was, was in europe. so they tend to do that . they so they tend to do that. they take long periods so that this way hopefully he was in new york at that time. but this is a disgraceful case and disgraceful in particular, because it's about a former president of the united states who is now leading in the polls to be the president again . and this is being worked again. and this is being worked with the doj, department of justice, as are all of these cases. they all come out atlanta. fani, that is all department of justice. nobody knew that, the case with judge

engoron the most overturned judge in the state that is very close because they sent their team from the doj to help him. the district attorney, alvin bragg, that was all worked with again, they sent a top operative from the department, from the doj department of i call it the department of injustice because they're using the department of justice to rig the campaign. these cases are a disgraceful. now, they're brought, for the most part , in front of very most part, in front of very hostile areas where republicans get 3 or 4%, like downtown manhattan, in front of very hostile judges, like hostile like you wouldn't believe judge merchan , judge engoron and judge merchan, judge engoron and judge kaplan, all of them hostile

areas and very, very hostile judges. i've never seen anything like it. and very bad thing in this case, new york, very bad thing for new york. businesses won't come to new york because of what took place with judge engoron, i can tell you that. and probably the rest of them also. but this case involved a woman who wrote a book, and i guess she said something in the book. that's when i first heard about it. i first heard about it in the white house. and of course, i denied the story because it's not true. i have no idea who the woman is, and i never met her. now, i don't know about a picture that was taken 40 years ago with her husband on a celebrity line, so i don't think that counts. but as far as i know, i never met her. i never touched her. i have i would have had no interest in meeting her in any way, shape or form . her in any way, shape or form. her husband was a news anchor, actually, john johnson, a very nice guy. she called him

horrible things. we weren't allowed to say that in the trial. she said horrible things about him. i guess they're since divorced , he's a very nice guy. divorced, he's a very nice guy. african american. and she said very bad things. we weren't allowed to use that in the trial, which surprised a lot of people . but she made up a story, people. but she made up a story, a fabricated 100% that i attacked her at bergdorf goodman . attacked her at bergdorf goodman. you know, it's a very interesting. i don't think they were allowed to use this either. her favourite show is law and order, and there's an almost exact story as her story in law and order about being attacked in the dressing room of a department store. i don't know if they used the name of the store, but that's her favourite show, law and order, she said that and anyway , this evolved that and anyway, this evolved into a defamation case against me because i disputed her words. because i told the truth . we because i told the truth. we were called. i was in the white house and i said, no, it never

happened. i didn't even know what they were talking about. this was, i think i was in the oval office, sir. do you know anything about this ? and this anything about this? and this had to do with the book. and she had to do with the book. and she had a few pages in a book making this claim by the way, there was never a claim . there was never a never a claim. there was never a police report. there was never anything mentioned. there was never publicity 30 or 40 years ago, whenever it took place . ago, whenever it took place. nobody knows. she doesn't know when it took place. when did it take place? she has no idea. she thinks it was in the 1990s. she thinks it was in the 1990s. she thinks it was in the 1990s. she thinks it was in the 1990s. and the judge? we had two trials. we asked for a consolidation. he said no. the reason he said no is he'd rather have double the publicity, because that's bad for me, very bad because i'm running for president. and this is not the kind of publicity you like. and whether it's true or not, it's horrible . and in this

not, it's horrible. and in this case, it's so false . it's a made case, it's so false. it's a made up, fabricated story by somebody. i think initially just looking to promote a book. and when they called me, i denied the story. i got sued essentially for defamation because i'm denying a story where i'm right. i should be suing her for defamation. so that's where it is now. there were two witnesses. one is a woman who's followed me for years , she said . woman who's followed me for years , she said. in woman who's followed me for years , she said . in 1979, i was years, she said. in 1979, i was in an aeroplane with her commercial flight and we became very intimate. i just sat down. i think i had the book the art of the deal. i was famous then too. i've been famous for a long time and we're sitting in first class. according to her. never happened, by the way. totally made up story . happened, by the way. totally made up story. she's a clinton person too, by the way. big clinton person. she made up the

story and so many years ago, and i think it would be 1979, one of my many people behind me could correct it, but i think she said 1979. that's a long time ago . 1979. that's a long time ago. and i sat down, i believe i had some pretty big success then, and i was being talked about a lot. maybe the art of the deal was out, you know , some time was out, you know, some time after that, i'm not sure. but i was well known. and passengers are coming into the plane and she said i was making out with her and then after 15 minutes and then she changed her story a couple of times. maybe it was quicker that i grabbed her at a certain part, and that was when she had enough. now so think of the impracticality of this. i'm famous, i'm in a plane. people are coming into the plane, and i'm looking at a woman, and i grab her and i start kissing her and making out with her. what are the chances of that

happening? what are the chances ? happening? what are the chances? and frankly , i know you're going and frankly, i know you're going to say it's a terrible thing to say, but it couldn't have happened. it didn't happen . and happened. it didn't happen. and she would not have been the chosen one. she would not have been the chosen one. she has gone around for years saying the story . everywhere i go. she says story. everywhere i go. she says this story and it's a total lie. now, i assume she'll sue me now for defamation. like i got sued by e jean carroll, who interestingly said she's been hurt damaged, but she's made more money since she did this than she ever made in her life. she gets paid a lot of money to go talk bad things about me. so remember this? this whole thing started along with just about every other case i'm involved with, with the political

campaign of harris and who's having a bad time because she can't talk of harris and joe biden. this was election interference. it all is. it's all fabricated but fabricated in front of very friendly judges for them and in very friendly areas for them. if you get a jury, areas for them. if you get a jury, it's very hard to win in a jury jury, it's very hard to win in a jury where you have 3 or 4 or 5% republican votes. very, very tough , actually. two witnesses. tough, actually. two witnesses. one is named jessica leeds. so she she was up again. she can't get rid of her. she was up. she said, i was in an aeroplane doing that. a couple of things. you have a an armrest in planes. back in those days . oh by the back in those days. oh by the way, she didn't know anything about the flight where we were going, where i was in very few flights. i was in new york. i building new york building. i said very few aeroplanes. i will tell you, in those days, 1979, i

think it's a long time ago, but that the armrest and in the old days they didn't move . okay. but days they didn't move. okay. but she said she then got out and she said she then got out and she went to the back of the plane. and that was the end of the story. i think. and this story has followed me for years. but just to finish with her, jessica leeds no police reports, no witnesses, no corroboration of any kind, no criminal suggestions , no nothing . then suggestions, no nothing. then you have another one. and this one is a writer for people magazine, who i actually thought was very nice. she came to mar—a—lago and she wrote the most beautiful story you've ever seen. it was a love story about

melania and myself, a love story and people magazine, and that was it. it was a cover, i think, but it was a beautiful story. you would everybody would love to have that marriage, she said. the nicest things about me, about melania, you have the story. i mean, you can read the story. i mean, you can read the story and her name was whoever. let's see her name . was who let's see her name. was who sworn off? yeah i don't have it . sworn off? yeah i don't have it. whatever her name was, i don't know the lady. >> so perhaps it's much better that donald trump there talking at trump tower about his latest sexual historical allegation case, this time with a jessica leeds. i'm joined in the studio by greg swenson, the chair of republicans overseas. just for a quick bit of analysis to what

was happening there. greg, always a delight to have you in the studio. so he started off by blasting at the judge in this case and his first retort before going into the details of jessica leeds by saying once again, i just want fairness. the whole system is a disgrace. he said. they're using the department of justice to rig the campaign. these and these cases are held in hostile areas, so his first point, one we've heard quite a lot is that these cases are simply being weaponized to try and damage his chances in the presidential race, of course, on november the 5th, well, there's no doubt about that. >> i mean, the democrat machine has been doing this for over a year now. and of course, they waited till trump became the nominee. so these cases are meritless. and if it wasn't donald trump, they never would have been these cases never would have proceeded, you know, for against anyone else. so it's quite obvious that the

weaponization of the justice system continues . and, you know, system continues. and, you know, it just proves once again that the party will do anything to win. they tried to keep him off the ballot in several states. they wanted him as the candidate because he was perceived at the time as the only one who could lose to biden. turns out that even trump couldn't lose to biden. but you know, this is. and they won't stop. they won't stop until they until they could, you know, keep him out of office by any means necessary. that's their that's their way of operating . operating. >> and then donald trump started to go into as his, his, his style , going into some of the style, going into some of the detail of the incident, bear in mind this is his version of events, no doubt events will differ in the court. jessica leeds he claimed it was a 40 year old incident, right? can you tell us about this incident? he went into a colourful, you tell us about this incident? he went into a colourful , tale he went into a colourful, tale of them meeting on an aeroplane and the allegations that they were she claimed that they were making out on this plane, and he basically said that . that's basically said that. that's a load of nonsense. he said this this is a total fantasy, right?

i mean, look, it's going to be he said she said , and this is he said she said, and this is just another typical example of the democrats doing whatever, you know, again , using by, you you know, again, using by, you know, whatever means possible to defeat donald trump rather than trying to beat him at the ballot box. >> and so, you know, they dropped joe biden, kicked him to the side of the road in late july. they've elevated kamala harris and they've reimaged her. they've remarketed her. she never won a vote in a primary. she never ran in a primary. even in 2020 when she was running for president, she dropped out before the primary started. she was polling under 2%. this is a flawed candidate. but the marketing machine, as well as the activist press, who are obviously behind the democrats have have repackaged her. so, you know, this is just another example in a long list of ways to defeat president trump away from the ballot box. yeah. >> and he went into some, colourful, exploratory language. he said she made out. i grabbed

her, i'm famous. i'm on a plane. i start kissing and making out with her. what are the chances of that that wouldn't have happened? he then said her favourite show is law and order. it turns out, and her story sounds like it's straight out of an episode of law and order. and then he said something which even he admitted might get him in trouble. i assume now she'll sue me for defamation when he said take it from me, she would not have been the chosen one. right, right. so this is trump being trump . being trump. >> it is classic trumping trump. i don't know that any other politician. and remember, he's not really a politician . so he's not really a politician. so he's just unfiltered. and sometimes it works , sometimes it doesn't. it works, sometimes it doesn't. it looks like this is working. obviously it'll work with his base, but i think more importantly, i would hope he can deliberately explain the weaponization, maybe not get too into the gory details of this accusation and these ridiculous , accusation and these ridiculous, meritless cases, but just talk about the weaponization overall, because i think that will turn independents undecideds toward

voting for him when they see what he's done. a lot of people haven't been paying attention to this for the last 18 months. but if it's new voters that that , if it's new voters that that, you know, low information voters that see this weaponization of the justice system and lawfare being used against a candidate for the presidency, it's obscene. >> it's absolutely obscene. and of course , it has to be pointed of course, it has to be pointed out that, of course, jessica leeds will have a very different take of these events. this is an active legal case. it's a serious allegation. but that was just donald trump's comments. but one thing he did refer back to at the start of his speech there, he said later on, i'll be talking about the job numbers. he said the job numbers in america are terrible. of course , america are terrible. of course, the economy, job numbers will be something that's historically he's regarded as stronger on. do you know what those numbers are? do you have any of those details? i do. >> so the nonfarm payrolls, which is basically the leading headune which is basically the leading headline number for employment in the us, we're up only 140,000. they were expected to be up 160,000. more importantly they revised downward the june

and july numbers by 86,000. these are very negative numbers for an economy. i think you might even see the fed raise 100 bafis might even see the fed raise 100 basis points in september. later this month, as opposed to 25 as previously expected. but this is not going to be good for the kamala campaign. and i think president trump is quite right to point that out. and that's, you know, you can argue what's a bad number, what's he, of course, will say terrible, horrible. he likes to exaggerate a little bit, but they are terrible. and they are horrible. and what you've seen is a year or two of kamala harris and joe biden. you know, quarterbacking the economy where all of the job creation or most of it is in government and health care and health care is 50% government. so this is not an economy that's running well in the private sector . it's only being it's sector. it's only being it's only big government. >> greg. greg swenson, always a pleasure having the studio. thank you very much. got loads to talk about coming up after this. but first it's your

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gb news. >> a very good afternoon to you and a happy friday. it's 5:00 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news and we're broadcasting, of course, live from the heart of westminster all across the uk. on today's show, after another tragic week when 12 illegal immigrants perished in the channel today, the home secretary called an emergency cabinet meeting at the national crime agency. yvette cooper claims she can smash the gangs, but with almost 9000 illegal immigrants arriving since the labour party got into powerjust

labour party got into power just two months ago, it seems the gangs aren't listening. next up, keir starmer scrapped the rwanda plan on day one of his government, but now hotels paid for by british taxpayers have been snapped up by the germans. they plan to use rwanda to process their own illegal immigrants. has britain become an international laughingstock and we're just 83 spaces left in britain's packed prisons. the government is considering exporting cons to estonia's empty jails. there are over 10,000 foreign inmates in our nics and wouldn't that be the best place to start ? and conor best place to start? and conor mcgregor has outlined his plans to run for the irish presidency. but is he the only logical choice he thinks he can land a big glove on the chin of the political establishment, and that's all coming up in your next hour . welcome to the show

next hour. welcome to the show. always a pleasure to have your company. we're also covering an incredible story that i covered last night. the tragic killing of a aspiring marine called tom roberts died at the hands of an afghan asylum seeker who should never have been in the country. yesterday, the devastating news was delivered. there would be no full inquiry , despite a full inquiry, despite a catalogue, a legacy of errors around that case. shortly i'll be joined by ann widdecombe , who be joined by ann widdecombe, who believes, as i do, that there should be justice for his family. there should be a full inquiry that's coming up. get in touch the usual way. gbnews.com/yoursay. but now it's time for your headlines. and here's sophia wenzler. >> martin. thank you. good afternoon. your headlines at 5:00. a 27 year old painter and decorator has been sentenced to nine years in prison for his

role in a violent riot outside a rotherham hotel housing asylum seekers. sheffield crown court heard thomas birley engaged in what the judge described as grotesque acts of violence, fuelled by malicious and ignorant social media posts. the judge called it one of the most serious cases of rioting, imposing an extended five year licence because of what he called burley's ongoing dangerousness . the police dangerousness. the police watchdog will probe the release of footage to the media of a disturbance at manchester airport. it comes after a mobile phone video clip of an officer kicking and appearing to stamp on the head of farage ahmad, went viral on social media as he and his brother mohammed ahmad were restrained by officers. further footage obtained by the manchester evening news emerged days later, which showed the immediate lead up to the incident on july the 23rd, including when two female police officers were hit to the ground before mr ahmad was incapacitated with a taser . in

incapacitated with a taser. in other news, the home secretary has chaired a summit addressing the escalating crisis of people smuggling across the english channel. the meeting followed a tragic incident this week where 12 lost their lives when a boat capsized. the deadliest crossing this year so far, yvette cooper has been joined by key cabinet ministers, intelligence officials and law enforcement agencies to target criminal smuggling networks. she says there's a moral imperative to act and wants to see tighter collaboration with european partners. >> we're determined to go after the criminal gangs. they should not be able to get away with making profit in this way, and we need to build on some of the progress that's been made, increasing the work with our european partners, as we've been doing in recent weeks, and even in the last few weeks, we've the gangs? >> nolaste government the gangs? >> no last few vernment the gangs? seen the work with bulgaria to >> no last few weeks, nt the gangs? >> no last few weeks, we've in the last few weeks, we've seen the work with bulgaria to stop some of the boats and stop some of the boats and engines that were destined for engines that were destined for the channel. but we want to go the channel. but we want to go much further and that's why we much further and that's why we

have this operational summit have this operational summit today, and that's why we see today, and that's why we see this as such important work. this as such important work. >> meanwhile, germany is >> meanwhile, germany is considering using british funded considering using british funded facilities in rwanda to deport facilities in rwanda to deport migrants entering the european migrants entering the european union. it comes as berlin faces union. it comes as berlin faces mounting pressure to kerb mounting pressure to kerb illegal migration following last illegal migration following last month's isis linked stabbing at month's isis linked stabbing at a festival. german officials a festival. german officials think the eu should repurpose think the eu should repurpose the asylum facilities britain the asylum facilities britain set up, which were recently set up, which were recently scrapped by keir starmer's scrapped by keir starmer's government. our political government. our political correspondent olivia utley has more. correspondent olivia utley has more. >> there will be those who >> there will be those who argue, and in fact conservative argue, and in fact conservative mps are already arguing that if mps are already arguing that if the rwanda policy is good enough the rwanda policy is for germany, if germany believes it will act as a sufficient deterrent to stop illegal immigrants coming over to germany, then why did keir starmer choose to throw out that policy on his first day in office and replace it with this rather nebulous plan to smash

the gangs? >> now the government

mps are already arguing that if the rwan his oolicy is mps are already arguing that if the rwan his son:y is mps are already arguing that if the rwan his son to s mps are already arguing that if the rwan his son to access the allowing his son to access the weapon used in the attack . and weapon used in the attack. and donald trump has appeared in a weapon used in the attack. and donald trump has appeared in a new york court for the appeal new york court for the appeal against the case that found him against the case that found him liable for sexually assaulting liable for sexually assaulting and defaming writer e jean and defaming writer e jean carroll. trump and his lawyers carroll. trump and his lawyers sought to appeal against the sought to appeal against the verdict, and overturn the $5 verdict, and overturn the $5 million fine that was delivered million fine that was delivered by a jury in may 2023. the case by a jury in may 2023. the case is one of two in which he was is one of two in which he was accused by miss carroll of accused by miss carroll of sexual assault and defamation. sexual assault and defamation. speaking outside the court, speaking outside the court, trump said it could never have trump said it could never have happened. >> hinckley, i know you're going happened. >> hinckley, i know you're going to say it's a terrible thing to to say it's a terrible thing to say , but it couldn't have say , but it couldn't have say, but it couldn't have happened. it didn't happen. and say, but it couldn't have happened. it didn't happen. and she would not have been the she would not have been the chosen one. she would not have chosen one. she would not have been the chosen one. she has been the chosen one. she has gone around for years saying the gone around for years saying the story. everywhere i go, she says story. everywhere i go, she says

the story. and it's a total lie the story. and it's a total lie

story. everywhere i go, she says the story. ltoi it's a total lie story. everywhere i go, she says the story. lto smashtotal lie story. everywhere i go, she says the story. lto smash thel lie story. everywhere i go, she says the story. lto smash the gangs. imperative to smash the gangs. the trouble is, the gangs aren't listening . almost 9000 have listening. almost 9000 have arrived since the labour party got into power. 22,000 since the start of the year. yvette cooper hopes to deport 14,500 by the end of the year. at that rate, olivia, it's a tide that can neven olivia, it's a tide that can never, ever be stopped or addressed. >> well, this is the problem for the current labour government and of course, for the conservative government that went before it. labour's plan is to try and speed up the process for sending migrants back over to their home countries, and thatis to their home countries, and that is a laudable aim. of course, it is terrible that we have this enormous backlog that it's taking on average over 400 days for a migrant's asylum claim to be processed. but it's only half the problem . even if only half the problem. even if the home secretary manages to achieve her goal of sending back 14,500 migrants by the end of this year, well,

14,500 migrants by the end of this year, well , 22,000 have this year, well, 22,000 have already arrived this year and we're only in september. so even if she managed to do that, there would still be a lot of people coming over here who we weren't able to send back. which is why, of course, the conservative government that went before this came up with the idea of the rwanda scheme. now, the idea behind the rwanda scheme was that if illegal migrants were immediately deported indefinitely to rwanda as soon as they arrive on british shores, then there will be a disincentive for them to come here in the first place. and, you know, you would hope that the tide begins to dry up. the problem was, of course, the rwanda policy never got off the ground. it was first mooted in june 2022. by may 2024, not a single migrant has left for rwanda. so keir starmer , rightly rwanda. so keir starmer, rightly or wrongly, decided on his first day in office to just throw that plan out altogether. now lots of conservative mps are saying, hang on a minute, did he throw out the baby with the bathwater here? because yes, it wasn't working. yes there were lots of points where it needed finessing

to put it very mildly, but it was a deterrent strategy of a kind. and currently that's something labour doesn't really have. >> and it makes you wonder, you know, rishi sunak couldn't stop the boats. perhaps the labour party are realising . perhaps party are realising. perhaps they can't smash the gangs. olivia utley superb as ever. thank you very much for joining us in the studio . now moving on. us in the studio. now moving on. reform uk has called for a full inquest into the murder of aspiring royal marine tom roberts. now tom was tragically murdered by an afghan asylum seeker who arrived in the uk posing as a child. well, last night i covered for patrick christys and this was my take on this truly tragic incident. 2022 afghan asylum seeker lawangan abdul raneem's law murdered tom roberts, 21, an aspiring marine, after plunging a knife twice into his chest over a squabble over an e—scooter in bournemouth. now that's bad enough, but abdul rahim zahawi, who was jailed last year for 29

years, was a wanted killer who should never even have been in britain in the first place. he entered the uk illegally on boxing day 2019, having stowed away in a vehicle. he was 19 but he lied to border force that he was 40 and he also lied. he was fleeing the taliban. no checks were ever carried out. his fingerprints were taken. and yet , fingerprints were taken. and yet, astonishingly, they were not shared with interpol until after roberts death . now, if that had roberts death. now, if that had happened, it would have revealed that abdul rahim seesahai was a convicted drug dealer who had also murdered two other asylum seekers in serbia in 2018. he mowed them down with an ak 47. now checks would have proved the previous claim for asylum in norway had also been rejected as abdul rahim zahir's trial in 2022, it emerged his foster carer, who has reported him to social services for carrying knives. she hid all the knives in the house. he was also

expelled from a school in bournemouth for carrying a knife inside the school. it emerged the home office knew he was a terror threat. he'd been flagged to prevent, in 2021, a full year before he killed tom. now roberts family, his mum dolores wallace roberts and stepdad peter wallace had previously accused border force and home office of systemic failures. they pinned their hopes on a full inquiry . well, it's an full inquiry. well, it's an astonishing story, one that i found truly, truly moving , found truly, truly moving, infuriating and heartbreaking in equal measures. and it's astonishing that there's no full inquiry into that case. and somebody who agrees with that is joining me now. it's reform uk spokesperson ann widdecombe. and welcome to the show. it's just a staggering case, a litany of failures by both border force and the home office, and the crushing blow to the family , as crushing blow to the family, as you well know, is that the senior coroner for dorset, rachael griffin, admitted that

there had been individual errors in this case but they do not amount to a systemic failure ruling. no inquiry was necessary. ann widdecombe what's your take on that? >> well, my take and the stand of reform uk is that there should indeed be an inquiry because this is not even just about the sheer horror that is confronting an individual family. dreadful though that is. there is an enormous national interest in the various issues that have been raised . now, that have been raised. now, sadly, it comes as no surprise to me to know that this man was allowed to pose as a 14 year old because that has been going on for years. and border force take the line that they have to verify the claim. they can't just turn them away at the ports. and i tell you this, i mean, i was an mp for kent and therefore, you know, a lot of therefore, you know, a lot of the immigration was coming in through dover and the late sandy

bruce lockhart, who was then the chairman of kent county council, had been down to observe the operation. this is in the 1990s, for heaven's sake. and he said that two people who got through by claiming to be children, he was actually watching it , were was actually watching it, were quite visibly pensioners or approaching that. and there is just no system for saying no at the point of entry. we're saying you don't come any further. you go back on the ferry that you came on, and there's just no way of doing that to prevent program has been criticised for a long time, they, for example, they missed completely the dangers being posed by the terrorist who killed david amess mp. he was referred to prevent that. didn't result in anything. so we've got the prevent programme. we've got the prevent programme. we've got the whole business of people pretending to be children when

they're not. and of course, the abysmal failure they're really abysmal failure they're really abysmal failure they're really abysmal failure to establish this person's identity. and he was committed two murders in serbia for heaven's sakes. and there is just so much that is wrong that an inquiry, isn't just necessary. it is absolutely, absolutely essential. and the home office, of course, doesn't want it. >> and i just want to read out a couple of comments here from robert's mother, dolores, and stepfather , peter wallace. very, stepfather, peter wallace. very, very moving and they said, dolores, robert's mother, said the home office don't want to engage with us. everything is wrong in this country and it will continue to happen again. the stepfather, peter wallace, said there were so many warning signs that he should not have been here, and yet the home office did nothing about it. and

ann widdecombe they were pinning their all their hopes on some form of investigation. it appears for now, or at any rate, that won't happen. ann widdecombe how do we make the home office listen? what do we do to make sure tom roberts gets justice? >> well, short of getting a reform, government is going to be very difficult because the fact is that the home office for years now, has got away with basically shrugging and giving up. i mean, we all know of the pressures. i mean, you know, thousands of people, hundreds of people coming in daily on the boat and simply being housed in hotels and nothing more done. and there is just a shrug of helplessness, you know, there's nothing we can do. there is they can detain all new asylum seekers. for a start, that would be a mighty deterrent. so there are things that they could do. they're not doing them. and above all, they're not doing the most fundamental things, checking , checking who people checking, checking who people are when they arrive on our jul.

this chap should have been checked out and do anything shared with interpol would have resulted in an early discovery, of which somebody had to lose his life for that to happen . his life for that to happen. >> so astonishing case. and it's incredible to think that this asylum seekers age was only picked up when he went for a routine dental appointment. he wasn't even sent for a dental check. even then, he may have evaded justice and detection. it's such a tragic case, and i think we owe it to the family to dolores, the mother, peter the stepfather, and tom roberts to try and do something about it. ann widdecombe, thank you so much for joining ann widdecombe, thank you so much forjoining us on the show much for joining us on the show today. always a pleasure to have your company. now moving on. the labour government have got a proposal to deal with overcrowded prisons. let's see what that looks after this. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's

welcome back. it's 521 on your friday afternoon. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. have you ever struggled to point out estonia on a world map? well prisoners could soon be spending their sentences there from britain. government sources have revealed plans are being considered to transfer criminals to estonian jails, which has been labelled as a solution to tackle britain's rampant overcrowding prison crisis. now the estonian justice minister revealed that a number of countries are interested in using their unused prison spaces. so is this labour's plan to tackle the crisis, and how effective would it actually be in practice? well, we're now joined by the barrister and writer and great friend of the show, the superb stephen barrett. stephen, always a delight to have you on the show. let's start with the bafics show. let's start with the basics. always a pleasure. let's start with the basics . so can start with the basics. so can this ever work ? we've seen with

this ever work? we've seen with rwanda. not a single person was ever able to be flown out of there because of all sorts of human rights issues. the echr what chance a british inmate let alone a foreign national, being sent to estonia. before we before we ascertain whether it's a good idea or not, is it practicable ? practicable? >> that is the most important point. and that's where i will focus. and i think all of us should really focus, because this government has inherited exactly the same legal system as the last government. now, legal systems must be consistent. rules must be applied consistently so that the takeaway from that is that i don't see this estonia plan working. i didn't see and that's itake working. i didn't see and that's i take no side against british government's. i told the last one that their rwanda scheme would not work because they had not fixed the wiring. and i will tell this one that this estonia scheme will not work because they have not fixed the wiring.

now that comes with a very important caveat, martin, because it is absolutely vital that the human rights lawyers do not stay silent, that the echr does not simply, you know, turn into tumbleweed. we cannot have a system where laws only apply to one type of government and not to the other type of government, that that is a rule of law crisis. so if almost in a way, if the if this government got people to estonia, that would be a far bigger problem than actually people being in in estonia. i hope that makes sense. >> it does. and it brings me to my next question. we have 10,321 at the moment. foreign prisoners in british jails. now, a lot of these countries, we already have returns , deals with or so we returns, deals with or so we thought. yet still we have almost 1500 albanians in british nics, 856 polish, over 750 romanians, 400 lithuanians, 400

jamaicans, 199 nigerians, 300 somalians. you get the picture. we already have a lot of people in our jails, which perhaps you could argue they should be back in their own jails. so before we even get to estonia, why can't we get those people back to their countries? that's 10,000 places we could free up straightaway , stephen. straightaway, stephen. >> it absolutely is. and it goes back to a central problem that i like to highlight. and when i first started speaking in public, i'd often get a little criticism saying, oh, you're not this x type of lawyer. you're not x type of, you know, you don't do this little silo of practice. what's been going on for your listeners and viewers to understand is that in the last 30 years, we have produced masses of new laws , endless masses of new laws, endless reams of law that we all it's done. it's too much for any one person to understand. i mean , person to understand. i mean, eveni person to understand. i mean, even i don't pretend to try and understand all of it. although in order to understand constitutional law, i try my best because i think you must have a greater oversight of the

entire system. the system is so fat with words, so big with law that it's breaking in the same way, but in these different little silos. so what you talked about where there was the problem with extradition. so extradition law isn't functioning. we know that because there are 10,000 foreign prisoners who aren't being extradited. planning law is also broken. we know that because we're not building any prisons and we're told it costs a monstrous amount of money. a truly ridiculous amount of money. martin, i'm reminded that there's a bit in i, claudius, where they try and pull the wool over the emperor claudius eyes and tell him that the new harbour, ostia, is going to cost vast amounts of money, and he just has a real go at them and says, well, look, i got out the report from my uncle julius, and then you told me you told him it would cost, you know. so we do have to look at these things. and it's law as a whole is breaking down. and if lawyers sit in little silos and just do their type of law, they're not going to notice. so, you know , going to notice. so, you know, it's that one who stands out who actually can tell you. i think the whole thing is in danger of

collapse. >> okay, stephen, that brings me to on the final chapter in today's force. and that's rwanda. how in the name of all that's holy, can rwanda be good enough for the germans? legally? but it wasn't good enough for sir keir starmer, a lawyer, a top lawyer, legally explained to me how germany can make that work and yet we couldn't help me make sense of the madness. >> there's. so we have built a far too complicated legal structure, and because we are good people who follow the rule of law, it constrains us. if it doesn't constrain the starmer government, as i've said, that's a bigger problem . but it really a bigger problem. but it really ought to. and i want your viewers and listeners to think of gulliver in lilliput. we are , of gulliver in lilliput. we are, we are gulliver, and we've used all these tiny little threads of laws to tie us down to the point where we can't stand up. well, one day we are going to have to stand up. we're going to have to change all of these threads, and if we're going to the legal system is going to survive at all, then then we're going to need to change all of this

stuff. but the problem is it constrains us our cousins on the continent have a totally different relationship with it. as we saw with the french, they don't care. they do it anyway and the germans don't care. they're going to do it anyway. i mean, the germans caused a massive bunfight with the eu when they just they said, actually, our laws are more powerful than yours now. we'd never do that. and i'm not calling for cultural change in the united kingdom. we are a rule of law. country of course we are. and we follow rules. but what that means , if you are what that means, if you are a rule of law country, is that you must have a system that works, and we don't. and we're still making masses of law, reams of it. martin. 40 new bills are proposed and they'll be massive. they'll be endless words, hundreds of pages , hundreds of hundreds of pages, hundreds of new, new crimes with no prisons to put anyone in for them. >> and >> and stephen >> and stephen once >> and stephen once again, >> and stephen once again, at the moment, the bogeyman of the echr is being wheeled out as on call by the conservative party. 0h, call by the conservative party. oh, we'll get out the echr. this will all change. germany is in the echr. the french are, the

hauans the echr. the french are, the italians are. they seem to be able to send people to albania. they can send people to rwanda . they can send people to rwanda. they can send people to rwanda. the echr isn't the problem. you've been saying that since the beginning. it's growing a pair and actually applying our own law to get the job done, is it not? >> well , i it not? >> well, i can't pick. all i can do is say that there are two solutions to the echr. one is that you leave it, the other is that you leave it, the other is that you leave it, the other is that you ignore it. but if you stay in it and you follow everything it does , you are everything it does, you are trapped and it runs your country and you don't . and that, you and you don't. and that, you know, that's that's just i mean , know, that's that's just i mean, in people will say, oh, that's terribly politically controversial nonsense. that's not even a political position. i suppose there are three options. you can stay if you want to. if you want to leave, you can leave it. and if you want to stay in and have it work, you've got to ignore it. like the french and the germans and the italians and everyone else. but you can't have our special british way. and we did invent this. and i mean, maybe it is. i will express a political position. i'm quite proud of the rule of law. you know, i like it, and i quite want a system that works. and if anybody wants my help, i

can help them fix this system . can help them fix this system. it's going to be like open heart surgery on a legal system. you're going to have to delete vast amounts of stuff without causing societal collapse. it's going to be quite tricky . but, going to be quite tricky. but, you know, i, i would offer to help. i think others can help. but we are at the stage now where the legal system is has simply trapped gulliver and we are lying on the shores of lilliput, refusing to stand. >> stephen barrett, it is friday. let's bring it down to a little bit of a bet and a little bit of a bet over a pint of beer. iused bit of a bet over a pint of beer. i used to bet anybody that came on this show a pint of beer. nobody will end up going to rwanda, at least against their own. will do you think any british prisoner of any nationality will end up going to estonia? a pint of beer, i think. no chance at all. >> i'm not taking that back, i don't think. i don't think i'll go either. so i'd be a fool. i'm not losing. losing a beer. particularly at the price central london cost, it's too big a risk, stephen barrett. >> always a delight to have you

on.thank >> always a delight to have you on. thank you for your expertise and the great fun as well. thank you very much, stephen barrett. always a pleasure. thank you very much. lots more still to come between now and 6:00, including conor mcgregor is eyeing up believe this or not, his next challenge, which will be taking place outside the octagon. he fancies his chances as the president of ireland. but first, here's your latest news headunes first, here's your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> martin, thank you . good >> martin, thank you. good afternoon. it's 530. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines. a 27 year old painter and decorator has been sentenced to nine years in prison for his role in a violent riot outside a rotherham hotel housing asylum seekers. sheffield crown court heard thomas birley engaged in what the judge described as grotesque acts of violence, fuelled by malicious and ignorant social media posts. the judge called it one of the most serious cases of rioting, imposing an extended five year licence because of what he called burley's ongoing

dangerousness . in other news, dangerousness. in other news, the police watchdog will probe the police watchdog will probe the release of footage to the media of a disturbance at manchester airport. it comes after a mobile phone video clip of an officer kicking and appearing to stamp on the head of farage ahmad, went viral on social media as he and his brother mohammed ahmad were restrained by officers. further footage obtained by the manchester evening news emerged days later, which showed the immediate lead up to the incident on july the 23rd, including when two female police officers were hit to the ground before mr ahmad was incapacitated with a taser. now the home secretary has chaired a summit addressing the escalating crisis of people smuggling across the english channel. the meeting followed a tragic incident this week where 12 lost their lives when a boat capsized , their lives when a boat capsized, their lives when a boat capsized, the deadliest crossing this yeah the deadliest crossing this year. yvette cooper has been joined by key cabinet ministers, intelligence officials and law enforcement agencies to target

criminal smuggling networks. she also says there's a moral imperative to act and wants to see tighter collaboration with european partners. now in the us . european partners. now in the us. a 14 year old suspect in a school shooting has appeared in a georgia court facing murder charges after a deadly rampage on wednesday. the attack left four people dead, including two teachers and two students, and wounded nine others. colt grey, who used a semi—automatic rifle, is being held without bail and will be tried as an adult. in a rare move , his father, colin rare move, his father, colin grey, also faces multiple charges, including involuntary manslaughter for allegedly allowing his son to access the weapon used in the attack. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code ,

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next. welcome back. it's 537 on the final furlong. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. an astonishing story here. mma fighter, mixed martial arts fighter, mixed martial arts fighter conor mcgregor has outlined his audacious plans to run for the irish presidency. but is he really a credible candidate? well, joining me now to discuss this is the political commentator, doctor john coulter. welcome to the show, john. always a pleasure. so this has taken a lot of people off guard. of course, conor mcgregor, much better known as a world champion at cage fighting. however he has become increasingly politically outspoken, particularly on his social media feed. he's got like 10 million followers globally. he's a very pro—nationalist. he's a very pro—nationalist. he's very ireland is for ireland

type. he seems to be serious. tell us about this audacious glove he's throwing down. >> well, good evening martin. >> well, good evening martin. >> the first thing i can say as a right wing commentator myself, this would be a political dream team if we got conor into the irish presidency and the donald back in the white house. make no mistake about it, the irish presidency is really, at the present moment, a ceremonial position . and michael d higgins, position. and michael d higgins, the present president, has fulfilled his duties. really well. however, if conor mcgregor was to get into the post, he would change it into a practical role. he would really rattle the establishment. but the big thing that he can achieve is that he can stop the sinn fein bandwagon. sinn fein being the provisional ira's political wing. they have always had their eye on the presidency and even

in the polls at the present minute they are polling well. and certainly if the election goes ahead, the presidential election next year, we could have a situation of a strong sinn fein showing . so what we sinn fein showing. so what we needis sinn fein showing. so what we need is a very credible character , a very credible, character, a very credible, independent candidate like conor mcgregor, who can deliver a knockout punch to sinn fein. >> nice little pun there. lovely. well done. and he's been very, very outspoken in his language. as you'd expect. he's a street fighter. he talks like he punches in the ring. he's called irish politicians , called irish politicians, charlatans, thieves of the working man, disruptors of the family unit, destructors of small businesses. and he's been very, very outspoken about the what he perceives to be uncontrolled immigration into ireland and how it's changing the fabric of the nation. and that kind of voice has scant few

political representatives, and we cover this topic a hell of a lot on gb news. a lot of working class islanders particularly seem motivated by that kind of sentiment. they just don't have the outlet. it seems sensational, but arnold schwarzenegger became the governor of california. ronald reagan became the president of the usa. could this incredible feat be pulled off? >> yes. what southern irish politics really needs. martin is a nigel farage character. it needs ireland's nigel farage and conor mcgregor has all the attributes to achieve this. one thing that he will also be able to do is given his extensive sporting experience. he can also encourage many people of all ages, of all genders to be able to take up sport. he is a role model. now i know the liberal woke establishment will go

absolutely clean . mad at me absolutely clean. mad at me saying that conor mcgregor is a role model, but he can achieve people, by encouraging them to take up sport. so not only will we have a political landslide, we have a political landslide, we could also have a health landslide on our hands. and he would do really well just as the donald in his campaign says, keep america great. i would say that his campaign slogan for conor mcgregor would be keep ireland great. look at the achievements that team ireland and team gb got in the olympics. he could really boost irish sport, not just irish politics. >> okay. superb stuff and great food for thought. thanks for joining us on this afternoon here, doctor john coulter. thank here, doctorjohn coulter. thank you very much. now i've got a bit of breaking news for you here. and it's this the royal navy has named the servicemen killed in a night flying training exercise in the english

channel on the 4th of september, as lieutenant rhodri lawson , as lieutenant rhodri lawson, lieutenant layton's family released a statement on friday saying he was immeasurably loved by his parents, siblings, partner, friends and family, and he was devoted to them. and they said, we're also very proud of the talented, passionate, strong and loyal man he was. we will always have him in our hearts , always have him in our hearts, our wonderful boy. our lives will never be the same without him . okay, now coming up, sir him. okay, now coming up, sir ian mckellen said the queen was rude to him on two occasions. we'll get much more from royal sooi'i. soon. i'm martin daubney

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welcome back. it's 546. welcome to the show. are you with me? martin daubney were on the final final furlong. now hundreds of you have been getting in touch with your side throughout the show. let's go throughout the show. let's go through a few of those now. patricia says this on the topic of rwanda. didn't the house of lords said that rwanda wasn't a safe country? so how come germany are going to use our plan and deem that it is a safe country? you truly could not make this up. i think we are a laughing stock . patricia. a lot laughing stock. patricia. a lot of people totally agree and i asked stephen barrett barrett earlier how in the name of god, is rwanda not safe for sir keir starmer? but it is safe for olaf scholz, the german chancellor, who, by the way, last week sir keir starmer went to visit to try and do an illegal immigration deal. and i don't know if they did do a deal, but now the german chancellor has taken rishi sunak's deal simply astonishing. you just could not make the story up. i've got one more quick email to go through here, john says this smash the gangs. which gangs? no one has a clue who controls his gangs or

who they are or what they do. smash one gang and another one will simply spring up. so surely the only way to deter these migrants is to refuse all benefits and to help build the country with that money, instead . country with that money, instead. john. common sense it'll never catch on. now moving on. sir ian mckellen regarded himself as british acting royalty, and he's decided to take aim and have a p0p decided to take aim and have a pop at the royal family, including the late queen elizabeth. now the lord of the fings elizabeth. now the lord of the rings thespian said prince harry is not brownite. king charles is clearly damaged and most shockingly of all, he said the queen was quite mad in her final years. now let's get more with the royal broadcaster and the photographer helena chard helena. welcome to the show . helena. welcome to the show. helena, welcome to the show. is this really befitting of somebody like sir ian mckellen? no deemed royalty himself. is this really the kind of language you should be saying about the queen? it seems astonishingly rude to me.

>> it is rude. it is. >> it is rude. it is. >> i mean, look, you know, ian , >> i mean, look, you know, ian, sir ian mckellen, enthusiastic , sir ian mckellen, enthusiastic, outspoken, opinionated. we know that he's actually known to be outrageously funny, quite tongue in cheek, quite caustic on occasion. and i think really, you know, we can see this in this talk that in this interview and what i do know as well that this was an interview promoting his new film that's coming out, the critic, you know, and obviously people are talking about him. so he's done his job, i do think , though, you know, if i do think, though, you know, if you've got nothing nice to say, just why say it at all? and it's not fair. the things that have been mentioned, i don't know. you know, obviously we know he's had his fall, his blustering falstaff in his fat suit, you know, has he taken a knock to the head? i don't know, he also says, you know, he's played enough kings on stage to sort of gain a certain insight into what makes them tick. you know, and i do feel as well there is some kind of association. he sort of

feels he understands prince harry somewhat, he , you know, he harry somewhat, he, you know, he sort of sides with him somehow . sort of sides with him somehow. and there's something that he says, he says, i'm not a hollywood star. i'm rather a tourist in hollywood. i feel i'm not doing my job unless i'm on stage. and i did feel there was some kind of affiliation with prince harry there. obviously, he's away from the royal family. and obviously trying to keep in the news the whole time. so there's he's he's sort of feels something with prince harry. but no, not fair at all. i mean, to say that the late queen elizabeth was rude to him. i mean, the irony when he's accepted one of the highest honours in the uk, a knighthood all that time ago, obviously, for his significant contribution to his acting career and then to sort of swipe at her saying that she was rude and said something quite unbecoming, which is, you know, do people still go to the theatre these days? i think that was in 2008. and i'm sure, you know, as we know he is he's a

showman. he's a storyteller, and i'm sure he's manipulated these words slightly for his, benefit. definitely. but, you know, to remember the soft power of international diplomacy. what the royal family do and the unifying force within the uk and commonwealth. so really, you know, we don't want to hear these words from sir ian mckellen, who obviously is such a great, great actor as we know. but i think unnecessary. but as i reiterate, he's done his job, hasn't he ? he's got his film hasn't he? he's got his film coming out. the critic , and coming out. the critic, and everybody is talking about this how. >> now. >> well, helena, you're being very charitable. i'm going to go one further and i think actually that that, her majesty is having the final laugh up there looking down, because when you look actually at the conversation, the exchange that precipitated this slightly tart retort from sir ian mckenna, the

conversation apparently went along these lines as you say, a companion of honour medal was being awarded in two thousand and seven. they were shaking hands, lining up. no doubt her majesty was rather bored of these events, but going along with it and made light by saying, you've been doing this a long time, haven't you? does anyone actually still go to the theatre at that point? he took that quite badly, he said. he later said that was bloody rude before giving a handshake, and he says he was given a signal to go away. so i think that her majesty delivered a tart one liner. sir ian didn't like it. and now him. that's being bilious. i think that the late queen elizabeth had a very, very funny line, and she had the last laugh. >> i like that. let's let's do that. she just had the last laugh. definitely >> okay. let's leave it at that. thank you very, very much for joining us on the show. absolute pleasure to have you . and for pleasure to have you. and for comment on that. royal

broadcaster and photographer helena chard. thank you very, very much. now i've got a bunch of your sayings to go through before we finish the show. we talked a lot about the plan to send british prisoners to estonia. now, we said on the show there are 10,000 foreign criminals in british jails. why don't they get sent back to their own countries first? that would surely help to put some elasticity in the system. instead of the notion of sending british scones to estonia. and it seems you agree, peter, as if sending prisoners to estonia will not work, as they will be denied their rights to have visitors. peter. that's exactly right. i spoke to winston , a right. i spoke to winston, a great friend of the show earlier. he's a former inmate. he said. that's absolutely true. and also, stephen barrister said that there are legal rights around your right to rehabilitation involves having guests to come and see you . guests to come and see you. peter bleksley also echoed that. and that's led myself and stephen barrett say , this will stephen barrett say, this will never happen. no one's ever

going to go to estonia , but it going to go to estonia, but it kind of sounds good. now earlier on we said, is it time for cyclists to have insurance? there was a smash up between a drunk cyclist and two women. one of the women had to have a finger amputated. she was hit. so badly. i said, it's time for cyclists to get insured. ray says this. yes, yes, yes , says this. yes, yes, yes, cyclists should have insurance. anyone who uses the roads should have full insurance. totally agree with that. and finally, final comment of the week goes to tom. tom says this about raf scampton. i'm thrilled to bits that raf scampton will not be used to house asylum seekers. my question, however, is where will they be going instead? tom, an excellent point. that's precisely what i've been saying all along. i think it feels like all along. i think it feels like a big victory. it certainly is to the locals. we spoke to the director of the campaign later on, but where will they go? could they be coming to a street near you soon? okay that's it for today. have a fantastic weekend. i'll be back 3:00 monday. it's been the martin daubney show. have a fantastic weekend. now it's time for your.

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the people smuggling gangs and you couldn't make it up. the rwanda deterrent hotels may be snapped up by germany. would you be okay with that? if we at least got some of our £500 million or thereabouts back? and

there are just 83 prison cells currently free in england and wales. so how do you greet the suggestion that we may be about to ship our onions off to estonian jails? how has estonia got fewer crooks and more jail cells than us? and what about child criminals? there seems to be more and more of them every week, don't they? well, over in georgia, in america, the father of the school shooter suspect is being charged with second degree murder. would you like to see parents in this country be held responsible for their kid's actions ? and would it be fair if actions? and would it be fair if very overweight, overweight people have to pay for two plane seats? this picture you're seeing here has caused a big debate. apparently that guy is affecting the comfort of the people. next to him. it's controversial. let us know what you think . about all that in the you think. about all that in the next hour. get in touch

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