and subjected to horrific racist and islamophobic abuse on social media, and the men involved demanded to know who released the footage. >> and now, today, the police watchdog is outrageously pressuring the manchester evening news to reveal their sources and explain how they got hold of the clip. also tonight, nora forster. a rioter who helped set fire to a hotel full of asylum seekers in rotherham gets nine years in jail, the longest yet for the disorder that broke out last month . that broke out last month. >> and last year the prime minister was apparently drawing up plans to remove the winter fuel allowance from pensioners. >> keir starmer accused the tories of wanting to scrap winter fuel payments for pensioners, then did it himself. the mayor of manchester, andy burnham, is the latest labour heavyweight to condemn his own party. >> also, i have long said before the election that i thought the rwanda scheme was a gimmick, which is why we stood it down

immediately. >> labour called rwanda an expensive tory gimmick, but now unbelievably , reports suggest unbelievably, reports suggest germany will take up the idea instead and use our paid for facilities to do it . and look facilities to do it. and look who's sticking the boot in. it's time for keir starmer and yvette cooper to admit that if you scrap a policy designed to save lives and you put nothing in its place, then you will be to blame. boris clearly not impressed in a scathing new column . plus, save our scampton, column. plus, save our scampton, save our scampton . the home save our scampton. the home office waves the white flag on raf scampton and says it will no longer house 2000 asylum seekers in a massive win for locals. on my panel tonight is former bbc anditv my panel tonight is former bbc and itv chief political correspondent john sergeant, political commentator alex armstrong and former labour party activist susie stride. and is this the best explanation yet behind war in the middle east?

>> palestinians. you cannot throw rockets and expect people not to defend themselves . not to defend themselves. >> there's been a huge update to the manchester airport brawl story, and it's bordering on outrageous . outrageous. >> good evening. it's just gone . >> good evening. it's just gone. 9:00. here are your latest headunes 9:00. here are your latest headlines from the gb newsroom. the police watchdog will probe the release of footage to the media of an incident at manchester airport. it comes after a mobile phone video clip of an officer kicking and appearing to stamp on the head of farage ahmad. it went viral on social media as he and his brother mohammed ahmad were restrained by officers. further footage obtained by the

manchester evening news emerged days later, which showed the immediate lead up to the incident on the 23rd of july. in other news, a man who stoked a fire outside a hotel housing asylum seekers has been given the longest sentence to date after widespread violence erupted across the uk. the 27 year old has been jailed for nine years at sheffield crown court heard thomas burley engagedin court heard thomas burley engaged in what the judge described as grotesque acts of violence fuelled by malicious and ignorant social media posts . and ignorant social media posts. now boris johnson has suggested prime minister sir keir starmer and home secretary yvette cooper are to blame for the most recent deaths in the channel after the government scrapped the rwanda plan. it follows a tragic incident this week where 12 lost their lives when a boat capsized. the deadliest crossing this year. former prime minister mr johnson says the government mrjohnson says the government must act. >> it's time for keir starmer and yvette cooper to admit that if you scrap a policy designed

to save lives and you put nothing in its place, then you will be to blame . will be to blame. >> it comes as germany is considering using british funded facilities in rwanda to deport migrants entering the european union. it comes as berlin faces mounting pressure to kerb illegal migration following last month's isis linked stabbing at a festival. german officials think the eu should repurpose the asylum facilities that britain set up, which were recently scrapped by keir starmer's government . now, the starmer's government. now, the government says it has no plans to send prisoners to estonia. addressing rumours on policies to ease overcrowded jails , it to ease overcrowded jails, it comes as the uk prison population hit a record high this morning, now reaching 88,521 inmates, 171 more than last week's peak. downing street insists that building more prisons remains a key priority, and a ten year strategy will be

published this autumn to ensure enough space for dangerous offenders . and in the us, offenders. and in the us, a judge has ruled that donald trump's hush money sentencing will be delayed until after the november presidential election. new york justice juan merchan granted the former president's wish to push back. his sentencing is after trump's lawyers accused state prosecutors and the court of election interference. with less than 60 days until election day . than 60 days until election day. those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to bed for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> good evening and happy weekend to you. i have a massive update on the now infamous manchester airport brawl between police and passengers in july. do you remember this story ? oh

boy. >> move up, move up , move back, >> move up, move up, move back, move back, move i move back, move! >> stop kicking people. you don't , you don't. don't, you don't. >> you don't. camera why is . oh >> you don't. camera why is. oh bupa. shut up ! move up ! bupa bupa. shut up! move up! bupa bupa. shut up! move up! bupa bupa. bupa >> move up, move up, move up ! >> move up, move up, move up! oh boy. move back ! boy. move back! >> the nation was up in arms after that clip. did the rounds online. but some of us called for more context. the context eventually came through this leaked cctv footage showing two men violently swinging their fists at police officers, with one young female officer

reported as having suffering, suffered a broken nose. the leaked footage was published by the manchester evening news. then the lads involved held a woe is me press conference and demanded to know who leaked the footage to the press. >> has been a deliberate attempt to smear the family. the family have been subjected to horrific racist and islamophobic abuse on social media, and there has been a campaign of disinformation in an attempt to justify alleged police violence. as far as we are aware, there have been no proactive attempts by the gmp to monitor or to investigate the further hate crimes perpetrated against this family. >> it quite frankly, doesn't matter who leaked it to the press. what's important is that it was leaked and it was made public, and you would have thought that by now, with the full story published for the world to see, that we could have at least expected some criminal charges for the men seen attacking police officers in

that footage. well, not in backwards britain, where nothing made sense, of course, because today a new criminal investigation has been launched, but not the one you were expecting. the manchester evening news has received letters from the police watchdog, the independent office for police conduct, seeking access to the cctv footage and demanding the newspaper reveal how it got hold of the clip. let me be quite clear for anyone who isn't aware, asking journalists to reveal their sources is an outrageous attack not only on the freedom of the press, but the freedom of the press, but the very foundations of our democracy to journalists. let me tell you, would rather go to prison than rattle their sources. who day after day, week after week and year after year, lend their utmost trust to journalists in exchange for exposing the truth, for the world to see. the facts, the police watchdog seems more concerned with how local newspapers reporters got hold of crucial cctv footage over what's happening, with the men seen taking lumps out of our brave coppers is orwellian to say the least. why have these men not

been charged yet? what is the. is the delay? we've shown how quickly we can act, how decisively we can act when it comes to punishing crimes when they take place. just look at everyone who's been banged up off the back of the riots. so why hasn't that same swift and clinical justice process being appued clinical justice process being applied here? because the longer this charade goes on, the more the british public will begin to feel like this really is a two tier country after all. but let's get the thoughts of my panel now. john. sergeant former bbc and itv chief political correspondent alex armstrong, the political commentator and the political commentator and the labour party activist susie stride . talking of strides, i'm stride. talking of strides, i'm going to take a big one over here. good evening to you all evening. john. sergeant, what was your take on this today? as a veteran journalist of many decades, the police are asking newspaper reporters to reveal their sources. first of all, well, they shouldn't. >> they shouldn't reveal their sources. and it's extremely important if you're a reporter,

as i was for many years. it's so important to be able to say to people, tell me what you think. tell me what your evidence is . i tell me what your evidence is. i will protect your source and i was in a position once famous for me, a famous case where i refused to reveal my sources, knowing i might go to prison. but i just thought i can't, because in fact, if i reveal my sources, it all goes wrong. the main sources you often get, particularly in political reporting, usually come from the government, which makes it even more serious. so if you're leaked something, as i was from a very senior government sources , a very senior government sources, turned out it was the chancellor of the exchequer. you know, i mean, but tell us who it is now. >> i can i can tell you i can tell you it was no, he knows and i've admitted that he knew and he knew and i knew. >> but no, these things are very, very critical. otherwise you simply get there's less of a chance of you hearing what the truth is. now, in this particular case, the truth is obviously pretty murky. there are all sorts of is it murky? no

no no no, wait a minute. no it's easy to judge from the pictures. oh well that's wrong. and then you see another picture say, oh, that's wrong. but what you've got to do is to try and get some idea of what the overall story was. now we've all got our different theories as to what actually happened at the airport and who did what, when and in what particular sequence. but it's extremely difficult. what you need, i'm afraid, is an old fashioned trial where people are charged, where barristers give their evidence, where in fact, you argue the whole thing out and you come to some kind of attempt at justice. that's it. >> alex, my problem is we do need to see the course of justice served. you know, whether they're charged and go to trial or they're let off. we need a decision. but when the iopc are opening new investigations into how local newspaper reporters got access to cctv footage, it just feels like their priorities are all wrong. >> it's an egregious attack on democracy. first of all, and to me, it's this sort of sign of the times that we're living in now where the authorities feel

emboldened to take this kind of action. we've seen quite a lot of police action against ordinary citizens and those who are criminals, of course, as well. but we've seen a lot of it lately, and i just i'm majorly lately, and ijust i'm majorly concerned that the authorities of this country feel like they're getting this egregious power that politicians will not let. will not stop them from using as what john says, we've got to protect journalistic integrity, both online for individual independent people who want to report the news themselves. but for actual journalists , too. and i feel journalists, too. and i feel both of those are massively under threat currently. >> susie, we saw with the riots how quickly we can act when we need to. why hasn't this case been concluded yet? >> yeah, i mean, i agree with what's been said here. i think it is concerning, and i think we do need to be careful because i think, you know, the public aren't silly, you know, and the pubuc aren't silly, you know, and the public look at things like this and think, actually what is going on, you know, and i just think, you know, one of the great things about this country is we are a democracy. you know, we're not up there with all these countries that have corruption and weird things going on. you know, this is one

of the things that we're proud of the things that we're proud of as a country. and i do think we need to be careful. and i do think that this seems a little bit odd, to say the least, but yeah. >> do you think we live in a two tier country when it comes to the police or the justice system? >> i wouldn't use that language. and you know, i wouldn't use that language, but what i would say is, i think again , the say is, i think again, the british public aren't stupid, and they smell when things are a bit odd. and, you know , why are bit odd. and, you know, why are we focusing on certain things, you know, and why do we go after certain things and not other things? and i said this before, when the police went after someone who had taken down a flag, and i won't go into the details of it. and i said, well, you know, you know, people were getting bricks thrown through their windows and they call the police and no one's coming. and why, you know, why is there certain priorities? and so i have a bit of a problem when it comes to that, because i think there's an injustice there about why certain groups who maybe have big lobby groups get loads of support, but yeah, go for it. >> well, i was just going to say, where are the charges? where are the charges? that's

what people want to know. that's why people feel there's a two tier system in this country because they don't feel like justice is actually being served. the fact that the police are spending time getting cctv footage or finding out the source of that, is completely the wrong priority. they need to be going after people. i mean, look, whatever happened, the police were attacked. whatever happened where police were assaulted that night and we do need to press for justice assaulted that night and we do need to press forjustice in need to press for justice in this country. otherwise, the british public are going to rebel. john. >> but also, what we need is this idea of, you know, the old shout of, see you in court. >> i mean, the assumption was given time. it will be discussed fully in court. it may take a bit of time to collect all the evidence , but that is our evidence, but that is our system. if you say, oh no, it's not that. all you do is have cctv and social media sorted out, attention span seconds. but, john, can i ask you? it's not like that. it shouldn't be like that. it should be. now let's all calm down. let's make sure that the charges are put and they are put in a court. and it's. that is our system . where

it's. that is our system. where where are they? it's process. >> but where are they? >> but where are they? >> john i know and people then get overexcited saying, oh, can't we just do it quickly? >> but john straight away. no. >> but john straight away. no. >> john let me ask you. we saw how quickly we can act when it comes to the rioters, people getting their in court and getting their in court and getting banged up within three days of the fact. why is there such a difference here? what's the problem? >> because. no, because in a way it may seem odd, but the riots were a simple, straightforward threat of a breakdown in order. so the whole idea of look, you can argue about these topics , can argue about these topics, which everyone did, but the joy of that, if you like, for people like me, was that the action was swift. look we must sort out this question of rioting and we can't have disorder. then we can have discussion, then we can have discussion, then we can have argument, then we can have judgement, we can have justice, but what we can't do is the mob deciding what we're going to do. now, in this case, it's not like that. there's not a mob involved. there's no reason why if they just keep calm, carry

out the normal procedure, we'll get there. it won't be instant. >> there was a mob after the after the attacks, we saw that there were protests. there were pro—palestine protests. i think outside demanding justice for these these guys where did they get. and they held a press conference. and so there was a mob there was a pressure on the government to not act. there was a pressure clear pressure from those people saying, we've been a subject of islamophobia and racism, all this stuff, which doesn't matter when it comes to the case of are they have they assaulted police officers, came to viral pressure when it came to viral pressure when it came to the simple question of who is being violent? >> have they broken the law? can they can action be taken against them? it was amazingly efficient, as you've seen in the court. >> well, of course the riots it was. but for the riots, these guys. absolutely not. no >> for this often this is a more complicated thing. it involves a family, it involves various members. it involves the police. it involves now the manchester evening news that cannot be resolved in a discussion like this. it can't. no. it has to be taken. you've just got to take it steady. >> okay, well, it is fine. i get

your point. but when? when the iopc says we're opening an investigation into how local newspaper reporters got hold of cctv footage, and we've heard nothing else about the two lads involved. >> no, i agree, i agree. >> no, i agree, i agree. >> the two men involved who were seen smashing police officers , seen smashing police officers, allegedly breaking the nose of a young female officer, you know, it raises questions. i think it's a fair point, the iopc said in a statement following a press conference on the 6th of august, when concerns were raised about the source of a video provided to the media, we received a conduct conduct referral from greater manchester police. this referral, whilst considering other possibilities, relates to whether someone employed by the force may have shared footage relating to an active police investigation without a legitimate policing purpose. we are in the early stages of an independent investigation which will consider whether there is any evidence to suggest this was provided by someone working for gmp , and, if so, the gmp, and, if so, the justification for this. so basically, long story short , basically, long story short, they seem to have a hunch that maybe the cctv came from somebody at the airport, or maybe a copper from within their own ranks. anyway, still to come. he came out swinging in

the face of widespread outrage over his plans to cut winter fuel payments earlier this week. >> no prime minister wants to do what we have to do in relation to the winter fuel allowance, but troubles brewing for starmer after a rebel labour mp warned pensioners could die this winter if the cut goes ahead . if the cut goes ahead. >> labour are also said to be scrapping the single person council tax discount too, which would affect, by the way, widowers of all people. so does labour have it in for british pensioners? i'll get the expert analysis of former lbc political editor theo usherwood very soon. but up next, as a rioter who helped set fire to a hotel in rotherham, gets nine years in jail, the longest yet for the disorder that broke out last month. is that sentence fair? former police officer graham wettone goes head to head with political commentator jess gill. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo. only on gb news

this is patrick christys this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo only on tonight with me, ben leo only on gb news. time now for our head gb news. time now for our head to head . and the rioter who to head . and the rioter who to head. and the rioter who helped set fire to a hotel full to head. and the rioter who helped set fire to a hotel full of asylum seekers in rotherham of asylum seekers in rotherham dunng of asylum seekers in rotherham during last month's disorder, dunng of asylum seekers in rotherham during last month's disorder, has been handed the harshest has been handed the harshest prison sentence yet. thomas prison sentence yet. thomas burley was today given a nine burley was today given a nine year sentence after pleading year sentence after pleading guilty to arson with intent to guilty to arson with intent to endanger life, violent disorder and possessing an offensive endanger life, violent disorder and possessing an offensive

weapon. the 27 year old was also weapon. the 27 year old was also filmed throwing missiles at the police and squaring up to officers whilst waving a baton. the judge condemned his case as , the judge condemned his case as, quote, unquestionably one of the most serious he dealt with in relation to the riots, adding that burley had engaged in, quote , grotesque acts of quote, grotesque acts of violence fuelled by malicious and ignorant social media posts. so tonight i'm asking is the nine year sentence fair? let me know your thoughts by heading to gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews. and whilst you're there, vote in the poll. i'll bnng there, vote in the poll. i'll bring you the results very, very shortly. but going head to head on this first are former police officer graham wettone and the political commentator jess gill. good evening to you both. thank you for joining good evening to you both. thank you forjoining me. graham, let's start with you. nine years. the most severe sentence yet for rioters. is it fair ? yet for rioters. is it fair? >> i think when you look at the offences that he was charged with, and he actually pleaded guilty to arson with intent to endanger life, carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. so i think when you look at that, coupled with also pleaded guilty to violent disorder, maximum five years also pleaded

guilty to offensive weapon which was a police

guilty to offensive weapon which was a polic> so, graham, i guess the argument is that there was widespread disorder, the cps or the judges at least needed to make a point about, quelling it at source. and this was making an example of someone to make sure no future riots took place. >> i'm not so sure. it'sjust >> i'm not so sure. it's just it's about making an example of somebody. and i think it's you can't compare. you can't compare other offences or other instances, other occasions, etcetera. he's pleaded guilty to arson with intent to endanger life. he was clearly trying to set fire to a building with people inside where their lives were going to be in danger.

that's a very serious offence. grooming is a serious offence, but you're actually looking here to kill somebody, to take their life away from them with arson, with intent to endanger their lives. so i think, you know , the lives. so i think, you know, the sentences match the offences. he's pleaded guilty to. so he's admitted these offences. plus he admitted these offences. plus he admitted violent disorder. so it's not just one offence. you've got a number of offences here and the impact, the likelihood that people could have died in those buildings horribly as well, being burnt to death in a building. that's what he was trying to do here. it's difficult. you can't really compare one offence with a different because the circumstances and the surroundings, the context are all different. so you can't compare one one with another one. but clearly the judge here has looked at this. and this isn't about failings in policing . isn't about failings in policing. the judges sense is from the police have identified him and arrested him and he's then pleaded guilty. so they gathered all the evidence against him and he's pleaded guilty to this. the judge has looked at this, described him as a dangerous offender and the worst case is sat in judgement on. so for me it's a very just sentence. i'm not sure what you would want him to get as a lesser sentence than

nine years. anything less less than that for me would be just a joke for justice. >> jess, you've got to admit as well that if you try and set fire to a building with people inside, whether you think the nine years is excessive or not, you've got to expect surely to go to prison for a good chunk of time . time. >> yeah, i'm not saying he should be let off without punishment. of course not. and i'm not saying that you should set fire to any building at all, but i think you have to put it into context here. again, there is a two tier police system. i think you can compare cases and situations where the law hasn't striked down as hard on people who have groomed children and groomed young girls , or again, groomed young girls, or again, protesters when it comes on a different matter when it comes to palestine, protesters , for to palestine, protesters, for example, or like i said, black lives matter protests . all look lives matter protests. all look at the leeds protest. and i think when you put that into into consideration, but also the fact that the reason why these protests, why these riots were

happening to begin with is because of a failure of police. and i think that needs to be recognised that the police, especially in places like rochdale or rotherham, they have turned the other cheek. they have looked away when girls have come to them and they've been failed by the police. so of course, something like this. of course, something like this. of course i don't. i don't like say i don't think it's a good thing, but this is the result of that. >> graham. beyond this case, of course. do you think nine years is justice served? but beyond this case, do you accept the points that there is this feeling now of two tier justice when it comes to judges, when it comes to how police handle protests and different crimes? do you do you think there's any substance in that ? substance in that? >> well, this isn't a case of two tier policing because the police don't actually sentence the police. put these offenders before the court. it's up to the judges of course. >> but when it comes to making arrests . arrests. >> lie—ins. sorry. >> well, of course, but when it comes to making arrests, for example, jess cited the palestine protest. there is a growing feeling in the country that, some people are getting policed differently to others.

>> i think if you look at the pro—palestinian protest, there's been several hundred arrests from those protests. so i don't think i don't think that's a just criticism either. there's been several hundred people arrested for what you might term more minor offences, public order type offences, disorder type offences. but not violent disorder and not arson with intent to endanger lives. i think justice is applied fairly once someone gets to court and it's applied by the judges. this isn't about police applying the justice. they will arrest the people if there's evidence of offences, as we've seen in rotherham, as we saw , there were rotherham, as we saw, there were some serious incidents taking place and people have been arrested, pleaded guilty and have been sentenced accordingly. >> and graham, just whilst you're here, i'm not sure if you heard the first part of the show where we were talking about the manchester airport, you heard that. what do you make of that situation ? because again, when situation? because again, when we're comparing what we see in that instance and then comparing it to the riots of recent weeks, again, people are saying, well, hang on a minute. if we can bang people up very swiftly for

disorder, why aren't these two lads who quite clearly are on cctv attacking police officers? why aren't they dealt with in the same sort of swift way? >> i think i heard what john sergeant was saying . i agree sergeant was saying. i agree with him. that's a much more complex case. for one, the iopc independent office for police conduct are dealing with the police. the allegations of misconduct by the police officers. there's also then counter allegations by the police and by the people involved. so when you've got a complex case like that with one one independent body carrying out half of the investigation, the police have to wait for that part to be conducted, to be completed before you can put the whole thing together and then press charges against either a half or both parties involved. so it's a much more complex case. plus, they've now got the added aspect of allegedly leak of information leak of cctv that's now been investigated. so it makes it a much more complex case than the one we've just been talking about. well, the evidence is clearly in front of you. it's captured on body worn video by the officers. no counter allegations, no

independent parties involved. it's a much more straightforward case than , sadly, the manchester case than, sadly, the manchester airport. that will take some time for the iopc to conclude their investigation. well, the iopc in my argument, could save a lot of time by not asking journalists for their sources. >> i mean, they're never going to give them up. jess, last word to give them up. jess, last word to you? >> yeah, i just think on the topic of two tier policing and law enforcement, i'm from bolton and in bolton town centre. i used to hang out with my friends as a teenager. you saw armed or not armed, but like physically, like violent men in the town centre, muslim men, a big group of them going in and creating disrupt , of them going in and creating disrupt, disruption. and the police did nothing about it. they were going back from the police. and to say that there isn't a two tier policing system or a two tier law and order, i think everyone can see is ridiculous. >> okay. thank you both. former police officer graham weston and the political commentator jesse gill. thank you forjoining me gill. thank you for joining me this evening. so who do you agree with at home as a rioter who set fire to an asylum seeker hotel in rotherham is given nine years the strictest sentence yet for the riots. is the sentence

too harsh, dave, on x, you say, based on what could have been and the intent. no, it is not too long. potential consequences were massive. similar to what graham just said. alex on x says in context yes, we're letting murderers and rapists off with less severe sentences despite them having committed unforgivable crimes. and becca on x says politics aside, arson is a serious crime. indeed. annual verdict is now in. 70% of you agree the sentence was too harsh. 30% of you say no. it wasn't interesting. okay, coming up, sir keir starmer once accused the tories of wanting to scrap winter fuel payments for pensioners . last year, the prime pensioners. last year, the prime minister was apparently drawing up plans to remove the winter fuel allowance from pensioners. oh, we've got the receipts, haven't we? but now he's done it himself and he's got another problem on his hands. with a growing number of labour heavyweights lining up to slam the decision, former lbc political editor usherwood joins me in

this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben, leo only on gb news. now there's trouble brewing for the prime minister ahead of the crunch vote on his government's plan to cut winter fuel payments in parliament on tuesday . writing in the daily tuesday. writing in the daily telegraph, the senior labour mp rachael maskell has warned that pensioners will die from the cold if rachel reeves pushes ahead with the widely hated cuts. and she's not the only

labour heavyweight uneasy with starmer's policy. andy burnham, ed balls and even diane abbott have all slammed the decision to remove excuse me, the winter fuel allowance for the poorest pensioners. the government is also considering scrapping the single person council tax discounts, which would impact millions of widowed pensioners. i'm joined now by the former lbc political editor , theo political editor, theo usherwood. good evening theo. very good evening to you, ben. thank you for joining very good evening to you, ben. thank you forjoining me a thank you for joining me a simple question. has labour got a problem with pensioners. you've got the winter fuel allowance and now this news story which is brewing about the single person council tax discount being scrapped, which would affect primarily widowed pensioners. yes. >> so just to give you the details on this, we knew about this last week when it comes to the single person discount, which gives you 25% discount on your home when it comes to your council tax , and it affects council tax, and it affects around 4 to 5 million pensioners, around half of all those that make up the 8.4 million people that can apply for this. and it cuts around, on average , £543 from your average

average, £543 from your average council tax band. d now you can make the argument and many people do make the argument that laboun people do make the argument that labour, as you rightly say, ben , labour, as you rightly say, ben, it seems to have a problem with pensioners, but i think there might be something else going on here. if we go back to 2008 and you go back to the financial crash before the financial crash, it was widely, i think, received, received wisdom is that governments can help everybody. there's to money spend and that western governments can have the have what it takes to help every particular group. i think after 2008, when we ran up that huge deficit, things changed and the new conservative led government with the coalition came in and they made a decision that they couldn't help everybody, and they made a decision that actually the people they were going to prioritise were the elderly, were pensioners. and that's primarily because david cameron and george osborne knew that they could rely on the silver vote, and that's why they brought in things like the triple lock on pensions, which of course is fine when inflation is down, bubbling down at 2 or 3%. but when it goes up to 10 or 11%, we saw a couple of years ago, it becomes really

problematic. i think what keir starmer is trying to do is redraw the boundaries of who he wants to help, who labour wants to help and he's trying to switch switch away from pensioners and say, actually, that isn't where labour is going to go. it's going to go towards quote unquote working people . quote unquote working people. >> yes, it's going to go to train drivers who are on, you know, some of them 65, 70 k a yeah know, some of them 65, 70 k a year. it's going to go on doctors, pensioners have fixed incomes, pensioners built this country. they have grafted for decades and they are now the most vulnerable people in our nation. why is labour the party of social justice, the caring, tolerant party treating pensioners in such a rotten way? >> i think i think, you know, you raise some important. you raise some important points there, ben. i think they clearly i think with this winter fuel allowance particularly is they didn't show the political antennae to spot that this was going to be a huge problem . going to be a huge problem. we've got labour with the u—turn on it, do you think i think they're going to have to do something because there's going to be a huge rebellion on

tuesday, but they've already laid the ground, you know, they've already set out their stall. the labour hierarchy, as to how they deal with people, with mps who vote against the government on a particular issue.i government on a particular issue. i mean , they've removed issue. i mean, they've removed the whip from seven of their own mps after the after they voted against the two child benefit cap. so i think i think there's a real. keir starmer has got a problem with this. now look we can look at the numbers yesterday from, say the gb energy vote, which sailed through by a majority of 250. the vote's not going to change. but i think more broadly they're going to be mps, labour mps who are going to feel distinctly uncomfortable about voting for voting with the government. on tuesday night, and they're going to have to go back to their constituents. they're going to have to explain that decision, andifs have to explain that decision, and it's going to be really difficult to do because there's ultimately no justification. >> so you think the votes will go ahead? they won't pull the plug go ahead? they won't pull the plug beforehand. >> well, they have to. they have to find £1.5 billion. if they don't want to pull the plug, well, why don't they scrap the £11 billion on climate aid going to. precisely. that's what i'm picking on pensioners. that's that's precisely the point. i'm making, is that actually they haven't shown the political intention. it's £11.6 billion we're spending on overseas ,

we're spending on overseas, overseas aid to fly, to fight climate change. and you end up in a situation where could you actually just front load that money instead of spending one point 11.6 billion, just spend, you know, 10 billion and actually then have some money left over. so you can u—turn on this winter fuel allowance, it doesn't seem politically it seems really dumb, but will they lose many votes from this even if they go ahead with the single person council tax discount? >> because traditionally it's not the elderly generation who vote for labour, right? no, but i think it's what you just tapped into just now, which is, you know, the party of social justice. >> it's the party of, you know, the working person. and i think a lot of people will look at this and a lot of mps are already looking at this and feeling, okay. they may not be our voters instinctively, but these are not the values that we stand for and amongst labour benches. all right, one more story. >> i'm going to get through with you.the >> i'm going to get through with you. the home secretary, yvette coopen you. the home secretary, yvette cooper, and the prime minister have been busy hosting a small boat summit with law enforcement officials today . and officials today. and predictably, cooper was keen to focus on her government's . oh, focus on her government's. oh, smash the gangs policy. >> well, we're working closely

now with other european law enforcement, other governments. the prime minister has had serious discussions with other european leaders about the importance of us going after this organised immigration crime thatis this organised immigration crime that is making huge profits from this dangerous trade in people. and that's why we're focusing now on going after the gangs, expanding the work with europol and with other european law enforcement organisations. that's where we think we can make significant progress . make significant progress. >> i don't know what any of that means. it'sjust a load >> i don't know what any of that means. it's just a load of buzzwords and hot air. theo, this also comes off the back of germany. now reports suggesting they will adopt something akin to the rwanda scheme, where they use the facilities we paid for. yes. so british taxpayers to process. well process, at least not keep them there permanently, but process asylum seekers. yes. we've already laughing stock aren't we. >> we've already spent upwards of £250 million on this scheme. and of course it was the second

day of keir starmer's government. and he pulled the plug government. and he pulled the plug on the rwanda scheme. he said it wasn't. it was a gimmick and it wasn't ever going to become effective. i was speaking to tony smith, former director of uk border force, and he's actually quite a moderate, moderate expert on these issues. you can speak to people on the experts on these issues and they take a much harder line than tony. and he said, said to me, actually, you know what this is? this is, you know, rwanda had its merits . and the government, its merits. and the government, the labour government was just too hasty, just needed to take a step back. there was huge pressure politically from their own side, from keir starmer's own side, from keir starmer's own side, from people who said, you know, this was , you know, you know, this was, you know, unconscionable that we could deport people to rwanda. but we hadnt deport people to rwanda. but we hadn't gone through the process about whether there could be some. and, you know, rishi sunak had tried to change the law on it, but we hadn't yet gone through the process about whether we could implement the policy without withdrawing from the echr. and actually keir starmer, this was the argument from tony smith, would have been wise just to take a step back, because it should come as no surprise what the germans have said overnight, because we knew

that there were mutterings in europe when rishi sunak went over there for a g7 summit and met with european leaders. they didn't turn around and try and swat him away and say, this is an absolutely appalling idea, prime minister. no, we don't want to see. they turn around and say, oh, actually, can you, can you just expand on this? because we've all got a problem with migration and it seems a bit fishy. >> starmer going over to for that press conference with olaf scholz. you know , and then scholz. you know, and then a couple of days later this report that germany is adopting our scheme that he axed. i mean, i'm not saying he went there to flog it to them, but you know, it does beg questions. >> the rwandans are getting the money. we're not getting the money. we're not getting the money. no no, no of course. >> yeah. i mean, a massive waste of money. but do you think starmer, in the wake of the winter fuel allowance and the situation situation now with rwanda, do you think he's proving himself a bit politically naive ? politically naive? >> i think i think he got off to a flying start that a lot of groundwork, really. what impressed you in the first two weeks he went to nato, he went to the he met with joe biden. he held a summit with mayors of all political colours. and it was it

was generally a good first couple of weeks, obviously. then we had the riots, and then for 2 or 3 weeks, governments seemed to go to sleep. and it just feels the last week they've just been some really cack handed decisions, starting with that announcement from the foreign secretary on at the beginning of the week, when it came to the arms embargo, you know, a day after that, hamas had shot six israeli hostages in the back of the neck. it wasn't well timed. if we're going to make that decision, at least show a little bit of sensitivity and put it towards the end of the week and respect, you know what hamas, who are the terrorists, are just just, you know, they're done to israel . israel. >> we're running out of time. unfortunately, if you're going to grade labour high school style, what grade would you give them thus far ? them thus far? >> so for what? so overall grade me on the spot. come on. overall grade i'll give them a c—plus c—plus. >> okay, that sounds sounds very generous. theo usherwood, former lbc political editor. thank you very much. okay. up next, apparently it's been the hottest summer ever. can you believe it? but that'll be news to brits . of

but that'll be news to brits. of course, we've had to put up with the coolest summer since 2015. so what's happened to so—called global warming? and when can we expect to get in on the action? i'll asking the leader of the climate party, ed gemmell,

tick. welcome back to patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo. only on gb news now. new figures released today show that this summer was globally the hottest ever on record. so from june to august, the average global temperature was nought .69 celsius warmer than the long term average . but while term average. but while temperatures have seemingly soared across the world, the same, of course, can't be said true in britain , numbers show true in britain, numbers show that the uk had its coolest summer since 2015, with the average temperature only reaching 14.37 c. so as global temperatures rise and britain's temperatures rise and britain's temperatures fall, unlucky us are we really in the midst of a

climate crisis? joining me now is the leader of the climate party, ed gamble. good evening. edhon party, ed gamble. good evening. editor. good evening ben. thank you for joining editor. good evening ben. thank you forjoining me. so globally, the hottest summer according to the hottest summer according to the long term average. first question is, how long is the long term average? how many years are we talking here? >> well, copernicus itself say that that observation station , that that observation station, effectively, they've been doing it since about 1940, but records have been going back now for around 150 years or so. >> so a reasonably good data set to show us where we are, >> okay, since 1940. >> okay, since 1940. >> yeah, that's the copernicus one, roughly , right. one, roughly, right. >> i mean, that doesn't seem like a long time to kind of measure this . we're talking measure this. we're talking about global temperatures here. it's records the fear is driving up.the it's records the fear is driving up. the fear mongering is in place . we're being coerced and place. we're being coerced and nudged into, you know, this net zero drive when we're dealing with a data set that is, really a couple of decades? yeah sure. >> i mean, copernicus is coming out of the european union, you know, space program. so it hasn't been existing for that long to some extent. so other meteorological meteorological observation stations have been

running for longer. and, i mean, i think a more pertinent figure is, in fact, that we've just spent 12 months. so june to june, the last 12 months, june to june, was more than 1.5 degrees c above the average back into 1850 to 1900. so that's a longer data set going over more than a century. and that's, i think, a more relevant figure is that we have effectively heated the planet over that critical boundary of 1.5 degrees, although yes, it may well dip down now as we go out the el nino la nina stage, we go from el nino into la nina, which means there's a cooling stage. so we may well dip down again. but i think that's more relevant. data set . relevant. data set. >> okay. can i ask you? i want to give you some statements from previous years. i relay these to people to climate guests. we have over the weeks and months we have on this channel. so in 2000, a senior climate scientist, david viner, are you familiar with him? he said climate change was so bad that children just aren't going to know what snow is by the year 2020. in 2018, greta thunberg tweeted that humanity would be wiped out if we didn't stop

using fossil fuels, and she deleted that tweet last year. in 1971, the washington post reported comments from a nasa climate chief that, quote, a new ice age was coming in 1978, the un said rising seas could obliterate nations, including the maldives, completely by the year 2000. in 2004, the guardian reported on a pentagon climate reported on a pentagon climate report that britain would, quote, have a siberian climate by 2020. and lastly, in 2009, prince charles at the time said, we had just 96 months to save the world. nobody's saying the global temperatures are rising, but how do you expect people to believe there is a crisis? and that's the key word a crisis when so many predictions of yesteryear have been completely wide of the mark. >> okay, i think some of the people being quoted clearly are not scientists and that sort of thing. so to some extent, we take those as exclamations under an emotional, you know, time or whatever it would be. so we can discount a few of them. having said that, if we look at the most conservative scientific bodyin most conservative scientific body in the entire world, which is the ipcc, so they put out reports which are 200 scientists. those reports are then modified by governments

even before they go out. so governments get the opportunity to come in and say the wording is wrong, and they generally dumb down those reports when they come out, and they came out dunng they come out, and they came out during cop26 with assessment report six, and that report came out and said that our carbon budget for staying under 1.5 degrees would effectively run out in 2028, and that has been repeated in warnings coming. and when we talk about the carbon budget, we have seen a very clear tracking in the temperatures. it's going up also related to the carbon that's going into the atmosphere, which has been accelerated by us, not only us. there are other things that are happening, but accelerated by us. and they're roughly tracking together. and the world's most robust, most conservative body on this has said that we've got a very big problem, and our carbon budgets are running out now between 1.5 and 2 degrees. that's where we get what a lot of scientists are worried about, which is the tipping points. and that's when we may lose arctic and antarctic ice sheets. we may lose permafrost and see a release of methane . so that's the danger methane. so that's the danger point. now just to come in there just on one second, a very important figure, i think, which

is critical in terms of the dangen is critical in terms of the danger, the antarctic back in march, this year was 38.5 degrees above the average, whatever date. >> again, how long, how long is the average? >> but i was about to say whatever data set you take, even if you took it as only over 100 years or so. that's a vast increase. if you put 38.5 degrees, even as a freak one off, because i know we can argue that these could be freak one offs, but even a freak one off, that's that's a lot of temperature. okay >> all right. ed gemmell your leader of the climate party. thank you for joining leader of the climate party. thank you forjoining me leader of the climate party. thank you for joining me this evening. appreciate it. more to come in the next hour , including come in the next hour, including news that the german government wants to send migrants to rwanda using the facilities we paid for. when will the government get serious about stopping the small boats ? i'll give you my take at boats? i'll give you my take at ten. don't go anywhere. this is ben tonight, covering for patrick christys only on gb news. now your weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . sponsors of boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello. good evening. it's

been a pretty soggy day for many southern areas, but across the north and west it's been very warm and sunny and that theme is set to continue as we head into the weekend, as further heavy rain will arrive as a result of low pressure swirling around to the south of the uk . an easterly the south of the uk. an easterly wind, though, will continue to bnngin wind, though, will continue to bring in some low cloud to north and eastern areas, so some higher and low cloud still to come once again tonight across eastern areas of the north and the north and west, though another dry and clear evening. now the heavy rain will push into parts of south wales, northern areas of devon as well overnight, but it should tend to fade away as we head into the morning just for a time. so it will be a cloudy but mild start to the day for most of us. some sunshine around, however, particularly across northern areas. it's particularly parts of the highlands down towards the central belt where we will see the best of the sunshine at first thing, as well as southwestern areas of scotland in fact, as well as northern ireland. plenty of warm sunshine. temperatures already

in the mid teens. sunshine. temperatures already in the mid teens . first thing, in the mid teens. first thing, another warm day to come for parts of northwestern england. a cloudier day though for parts of wales and the midlands we've got the remnants of the of tonight's wet weather lingering in these areas. first thing tomorrow, and that will probably develop into heavier showers, potentially some thundery downpours after lunchtime on saturday and across the south. it will be a slightly dner the south. it will be a slightly drier day actually, but there is a risk of showers that will increase as the day goes on as those showers push up from the near continent. so in any sunshine feeling slightly warmer across the south, but still a pretty cool day for many southern and central areas. very warm in the north and west. a more widely wet day to come on sunday. outbreaks of potentially torrential rainfall across much of england and wales. it will come and go, but it could bring further disruption to travel and delays on the road in the north and west. it stays dry for now , and west. it stays dry for now, however. from monday we return to a north westerly wind which bnngsin to a north westerly wind which brings in much cooler air by by looks like things are heating

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gb news. >> oh, hello. good evening. it's 10 pm. i'm ben leo. this is patrick christys tonight. >> i have long said before the election that i thought the rwanda scheme was a gimmick, which is why we stood it down immediately . immediately. >> labour called rwanda an expensive tory gimmick. now, reports suggest germany will take up the idea instead and use our paid for facilities to do it. it's time for keir starmer and yvette cooper to admit that if you scrap a policy designed to save lives and you put nothing in its place, then you will to be blame. boris stuck the boot in. >> but meanwhile, and that's why we're focusing now on going after the gangs . after the gangs. >> the home secretary can't explain why the small boats just keep on coming. also save our

scampton , save our scampton . scampton, save our scampton. well, it's been saved because the home office has waved the white flag on rafe scampton and says it will no longer house 2000 asylum seekers in a massive win for locals. so where will they go ? also slip inside the they go? also slip inside the eye of your mind, don't you know you might find. eye of your mind, don't you know you might find . should oasis you might find. should oasis fans shut up about the band's ticket scandal? liam gallagher's words not mine. and is this the best explanation yet behind war in the middle east? >> palestinians? you cannot throw rockets and expect people not to defend themselves . not to defend themselves. >> i'll have tomorrow's first newspaper front pages hot off the press in just a short while. and my panel tonight is former bbc and itv political chief correspondent john sergeant. political commentator alex armstrong and former labour party activist susie stride. and

should the obese be made to pay for two airline tickets at once? >> this petition is about ensuring that air travel is comfortable for everyone, regardless of their size . regardless of their size. >> starmer scraps rwanda and gifted it to the germans . next. gifted it to the germans. next. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines just after 10:00, a man who stoked a fire outside a hotel housing asylum seekers has been given the longest sentence to date. after widespread violence erupted across the uk. the 27 year old has been jailed for nine years at sheffield crown court heard thomas burley engagedin court heard thomas burley engaged in what the judge described as grotesque acts of violence fuelled by malicious and ignorant social media posts .

and ignorant social media posts. in other news, the royal navy serviceman who died when a merlin helicopter ditched in the channel has been named as lieutenant rhodri leyshon. the helicopter crashed off the coast of dorset on wednesday night dunng of dorset on wednesday night during the training exercise with hms queen elizabeth. an investigation into what caused the aircraft to ditch is ongoing . the aircraft to ditch is ongoing. now the home secretary has chaired a summit addressing the escalating crisis of people smuggling across the english channel. the meeting followed a tragic incident this week where 12 lives were lost when a boat capsized. the deadliest crossing this year. yvette cooper has been joined by key cabinet ministers, intelligence officials and law enforcement agencies to target criminal smuggling networks. she says there's a moral imperative to act and wants to see tighter collaboration with european partners. >> command to go after the criminal gangs. they should not be able to get away with making profit in this way and we need

to build on some of the progress that's been made , increasing the that's been made, increasing the work with our european partners as we've been doing in recent weeks and even in the last few weeks. we've seen the work with bulgaria to stop some of the boats and engines that were destined for the channel but we want to go much further, and that's why we have this operational summit today and that's why we see this as such important work. >> meanwhile, germany is considering using british funded facilities in rwanda to deport migrants entering the european union. it comes as berlin faces mounting pressure to kerb illegal migration following last month's isis linked stabbing at a festival. german officials think the eu should repurpose the asylum facilities, which britain set up, which were recently scrapped by keir starmer's government. now in the us, a 14 year old suspect in a school shooting has appeared in a georgia court facing murder

charges after a deadly rampage on wednesday. the attack left four people dead, including two teachers and two students, and wounded nine others. colt grey, who used a semi—automatic rifle, is being held without bail and will be tried as an adult. in a rare move, his father, colin grey, also faces multiple charges , including involuntary charges, including involuntary manslaughter, for allegedly allowing his son to access the weapon used in the attack. and the controversy over oasis ticket prices hasn't dampened their popularity. the band's debut album, definitely maybe, has returned to the top of the uk album charts a week after their reunion shows were announced. earlier this week, the prime minister welcomed an investigation into ticketmaster over their approach to dynamic ticket pricing . those are the ticket pricing. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. now it's back to ben for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to

news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> very good evening to you. tonight's show isn't intended to be a comedy programme, but this next revelation is, quite frankly, nothing short of a joke. germany is considering sending asylum seekers to rwanda using facilities paid for by the uk. weeks after our prime minister scrapped the scheme and called it an expensive gimmick that scheme was dead and buried before it started. >> it's never been a deterrent and i am not prepared to continue with gimmicks that do not act as a deterrent. >> yeah. so you couldn't make it up, could you? germany's migration minister says people deported from his country could be sent to the same abandoned rwandan accommodation paid for by uk taxpayers. downing street said it would not comment on discussions between two foreign governments. but tory leadership

hopeful robert jenrick has called the situation a complete farce. is he wrong? i'd go further and suggest sir keir starmer is reducing this country into a global laughing stock. the british government creates a scheme admired by other countries all around the world. yet our new labour overlords completely scrap it without an iota on how to replace it. and still the boats come more than 8000 since labour took power, more than 20,000 since the start of the year. what's our new home secretary got to say about it all then? >> well, we're working closely now with other european law enforcement, other governments, the prime minister has had serious discussions with other european leaders about the importance of us going after this organised immigration crime thatis this organised immigration crime that is making huge profits from this dangerous trade in people. and that's why we're focusing now on going after the gangs, expanding the work with europol and with other european law enforcement organisations. that's where we think we can

make significant progress . make significant progress. >> with respect to the home secretary, that clip is a prime example of how to talk a lot without saying anything. i still don't know what smashed the gangs means. and yet the small boats still come thousands upon thousands of undocumented, unidentified people. being trafficked into our country isn't just a matter of national security. it's a perpetual cycle of death. just this week, 12 people, women and children included, died trying to make their way across the channel tonight, boris johnson laid the blame for those deaths at the door of the prime minister with 12 more people dying in the channel this week, including six children and one pregnant mother. >> and with the germans themselves now expressing an interest in the rwanda policy, it's interest in the rwanda policy, wsfime interest in the rwanda policy, it's time for keir starmer and yvette cooper to admit that if you scrap a policy designed to save lives and you put nothing in its place, then you will to

be blame for the drowning of kids at sea. >> boris wrote in his daily mail column i want you to think of the last few moments of those poor children. imagine their utter terror, their screams for their mothers, their struggles, perhaps against bigger and stronger adults, to find some piece of the wreck to cling to. think of those drowning kids and all the 12 passengers who died. and ask yourself who was ultimately responsible for their deaths? yes, of course i blame the gangs, boris said. i blame the gangs, boris said. i blame the authorities for letting them set off from that beach. and do you know what? i'm afraid i now blame the uk government. yes, i blame the uk government. yes, i blame keir starmer. i blame yvette cooper, the home secretary. i blame them because they've casually and irresponsibly cancelled the one plan that had a chance of stopping the gangs. so here we are again, another night, talking about the casual surge of the world's needy in a country that already has its own problems. more buzzwords , more problems. more buzzwords, more bluster, more promises, more

summits, and more meetings. and yet the boats still come. but let's get the thoughts of my panel let's get the thoughts of my panel. john sergeant, the former bbc and itv chief political correspondent. political commentator. alex armstrong and the former labour party activist susie stride. welcome back panel susie stride. welcome back panel. john sergeant, what do you make of boris johnson's intervention tonight? directly laying the blame of those deaths at the government's door? >> well, of course, it's very convenient for him. the assumption is, and you've made the assumption almost throughout that rwanda would have worked , that rwanda would have worked, whereas for people like me, there was very little chance of it working. and if you say and what evidence have you got for this, why not give it a try? >> so why is germany? well, why didn't germany doing it? >> but why didn't rishi sunak allow it to take place before the election? no no, no, he rushed to have an election, partly because it's admitted by the people close to him that in fact, they weren't sure that the rwanda plan would work, that people would not be put onto planes and removed to rwanda for

the germans to then say this, the germans to then say this, the germans to then say this, the german ambassador makes it quite clear today, in a statement that, in fact, they're not considering using the same scheme. so, john. yes, sorry . scheme. so, john. yes, sorry. >> no, i need to qualify that, john, because that's actually incorrect. what he's saying is because he's responding to a tweet that says it's deportations, they aren't considering deportations. they're doing exactly what we did, which is processing asylum seekers. so that's exactly what the policy . the policy. >> can i no can i just answer that? >> can we answer that specific point, though? no. the difference is this what our plan was, that they would go to rwanda and there would be no chance of them returning to argue their case. they would not be allowed back. now what the german ambassador is saying and what people do realise is that if you do that, you really are going straight against the law. so no, we will process the whole thing and they could come back well for lots of people in britain. oh, i didn't realise they could come back and argue their case in britain. no, that whole deal was they would go and

they would not come back. that was the, that was why people were so attracted to it. >> similar scheme using uk taxes. >> it's very different taxpayer money. >> i'll tell you what he then said we'll work through the un. this is the german immigration minister. no. we foresee working with the un and with eu, both the un and the european union formerly were against the rwanda plan. that's now forgotten because they were against it at the time, until all of these terror attacks have built up and up and up in public and public attitudes towards illegal immigration have changed dramatically. >> look at the surge of the afd in the last couple of weeks. that's what they're worryingly well, but that's politics. that's politics. quite, quite. and of course, the eu and other institutions are worried that they are going to lose the long term battle because they can see things like rwanda may have acted as a deterrent. in fact, germany's migration commissioner said the eu were considering the proposals also considering it so. 50. >> so. >> well, of course. >> well, of course. >> but if they weren't, if they thought it was going to be so terrible for them, they wouldn't have even had it on the roster. >> rishi sunak was considering it or say i will say this in the

run up for election, they were always busy considering it. >> people . people can't hear you >> people. people can't hear you at home if you're shouting over each other. >> i will say if this does, go ahead and germany do use this scheme, it will be the ultimate embarrassment and keir starmer will have to resign. >> okay, okay. let's see if they knew they weren't. >> okay. >> okay. >> you're giggling away at the end of the sofa. >> oh no. >> oh no. >> it'sjust >> oh no. >> it's just i >> oh no. >> it'sjust i mean i mean look >> it's just i mean i mean look ultimately the rwanda plan has gone. ultimately the rwanda plan has gone . we're not going to return gone. we're not going to return to it. is that just to say that when people ask me about brexit, brexit, brexit, well, that ship has sailed, there's no point to keep talking about it. i think even with the rwanda deal, i always say that people that actually have lots going on in their lives aren't going to forgive us if we keep going around the same circles of things that were not going to come back to that plan. but i do think, and i know you guys have been very dismissive of yvette cooper. been very dismissive of yvette cooper . you know, yvette cooper cooper. you know, yvette cooper has, you know, beat was in the last labour government, has been around for a long time. and i actually think let's let's look to see. well, let's look to see actually what our policies, the effect that our policies do have. we've been in for two months i'm sorry. so i hear yeah. >> did you see that clip of

yvette cooper that's been doing the rounds today where she's talking about smashing the gangs and going to this meeting? it doesn't mean anything. none of it. it's all hot air buzzwords as i said, it's how to talk a lot without saying anything. >> i mean, i no, no, i don't i disagree with you. this is what i would say . disagree with you. this is what i would say. number one, one of the concerns that people have is you've got this massive backlog of people waiting in hotels. no one knows what's going on. we are going to employ enough people to get through that backlog . and i'm telling you backlog. and i'm telling you now, people are going to care about that. people are going to care that we're not spending stroke, wasting lots of money on people sitting in hotels. and that's important. >> you're right. >> you're right. >> people do want the hotel situation to end. they want it to end yesterday. i believe the problem is that you're going to process them. and then where do they go? where are the extra houses ? where are the extra houses? where are the extra hospitals? where this this situation doesn't end when you've processed this, the asylum seekers or the claims. it ends when we have answers. and what ben's saying rightfully is what ben's saying rightfully is what is the actual plan here? you can say smash the gangs as much as you like, but there is no coherent plan. and the tories are just as guilty for this. by

the way, they had no plan either rwanda or at least acted as a deterrent. and what boris is saying, and i mean boris personally, i mean, he's a lot to blame. he oversaw massive levels of illegal immigration to this country, so i don't take him for his word. but the reality is that british people have not seen a plan from politicians in this country that really makes sense. >> and john, i will give labour some credit. they have deported, i think it's in the thousands they've sent people back home who shouldn't be here, primarily because they've changed focus. border force have been instructed to change focus on people who can be sent back without issues, who aren't being persecuted, aren't fleeing war, i.e. the vietnamese, turkish people , albanians. so they have people, albanians. so they have got rid of indeed a couple of thousand people since they took power. however, that's completely pointless when we've got 1000 people a week coming in on small boats. so you've got you've got 10 in 1 out. so that is. >> can i just is.— >> can i just can i is. >> can i just can i just very, very quickly say very, very before you get in there john. just on germany. no, no, i really want to hear because john, you're an extremely intelligent man that i just read. and i had to very quickly

brief over this. the cdu, the party in government in, in germany have said they visited rwanda nine months ago as part of their policy . they leading of their policy. they leading figures claimed the plans would deter migrants of it all. john. >> come on john, you can't say it's not going to work. if they say, hang on a moment. >> look, the politics of this is weirdly simple and similar. in germany, the government made the coalition government may fail in the spring. what have they got? what's their problem? they're being there's a real danger of the far right in germany doing as well as they did recently in thuringia. >> so they're getting a policy alternative fur deutschland. >> so they've got to say something to those people to say, don't worry, we're thinking about things. we're considering all sorts of actions, including rwanda. we've heard that before. >> oh, well, you're absolutely we know that. we've heard it from our own government. >> they're saying it would act as a deterrent. and i think there might be evidence even to prove that there was even even in ireland, even boris says, why can't we give this? >> wait a minute, boris says, why can't we even give rwanda a chance? he's not saying you

produce the rwanda plan, it will work. >> he's not even saying that . >> he's not even saying that. >> he's not even saying that. >> he's not even saying that. >> he's just saying give it a chance. >> he does have a point to say, give it a chance. let's see if it does work. >> right. well, why not get why didn't rishi give it a chance? well, why didn't he run to an election? i think a lot of people would have liked to see it given a chance. >> i mean, i think i think the other thing. look i always like to lean towards optimism and hope. and also it's very interesting because we were just talking outside about the fact that, you know, keir starmer, ultimately, whatever you may think about how he dealt with the riots, he dealt toughly with the riots, he dealt toughly with the riots, he dealt toughly with the riots and it would be very interesting to see how this former prosecutor deals with these gangs and if he can deal with them , he's going to use with them, he's going to use legal levers. >> and the problem is you cannot solve illegal immigration with lawyers. it needs deterrence. >> well let's see. >> well let's see. >> well, well, you know, we've had 14 years of the tories who haven't done a good job on it, i agree. let's see. let's let's come back to this in, you know, a few months time. i think you've got to give them a few months, you know, let me give you i would have given the rwanda scheme a few months just just for the record. >> well, the problem is we've

gone dead in the water. >> let me let me tell you how smashing the gangs is going to go. it's going to go the exact same way as the so—called war on drugs, a perpetual endless cycle of chasing drug dealers around the world. millions, tens of millions of dollars spent trying to smash the gangs. people dying. once a gang is snuffed out, another one's going to pop up. it's a multi—billion pound. >> so we give up, then, do we? ben euros a council of despair that you, in fact, can't do anything. wait a moment. no. what you can do is you can do it. what you. the only thing we can do is to make sure that you move sensibly over working with the french, working with the germans. >> give them a half £1 billion a year and they go off down the working men's club sinking ship if you give up. >> no, but whenever i mention something, you say, don't bother. people want you to bother. people want you to bother. this government is going to be in power for four years at least . so take it easy. you've least. so take it easy. you've got to make sure that over time you keep putting the screws on the gangs, making sure you're working with the french. >> and so on. this is the same rhetoric about about starmer's

policies. >> but you're saying the same thing about about rwanda. >> we say we should, but it's not the same thing. we can't say, don't bother me, but we should bother that it's not the same. >> he's been in for two months. you can't make that judgement any criticism that you guys have is a criticism of the conservative party. >> have a plan. >> have a plan. >> where is the plan? >> where is the plan? >> say give up . >> say give up. >> say give up. >> listen, we, the viewers at home can't hear when everyone's sorry. everybody each other. sorry. >> we're we're just very interested in this. and we know that the public love hearing some solutions to this, which is what i want to hear from our politicians. >> indeed. okay. great stuff. john. alex susie, thank you very much. we'll be back in just a tick. coming up, the government has handed locals victory after. or has the government handed locals victory? i think they have. after the controversial plan to house thousands of migrants at raf scampton was axed. but with more and more illegals arriving on our shores, as i've just been talking about, just where are we going to put them all? are we? joined by councillor from scampton, who was at the heart of the resistance. that's

next. >> of the ones coming up patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo only on gb news now the home office announced that the plans to house asylum seekers at raf scampton have been scrapped. >> can you believe it? the government said the plans didn't represent value for money for the taxpayer. a total of £60 million has already been spent on the site, with forecasts suggesting it would have cost a total of £122 million by the end of its use in 2027. here's what

home secretary yvette cooper had to say earlier on scampton the case of scampton, that was incredibly costly for this single site. >> that was also strongly opposed in the local community as well. we've made clear that we need to bring down the asylum backlog, and we're already making progress in order to increase asylum decision making and also increase returns. >> joining me now is councillor roger patterson from west lindsey district council. good evening to you, roger. is this a victory for you? are you celebrating tonight ? celebrating tonight? >> i think the whole community is. yeah. i mean, it's their victory, the whole community has been opposed to this from day one. not because of the immigrants , because of the deal, immigrants, because of the deal, what it represents for lincolnshire and for our area, £300 million investment in an area like lincolnshire is huge. i don't think it's ever been done before, and one minute we

had it and the next minute it was taken away from us. so we've been campaigning all the way along for this, for the deal and of course, raf scampton is derelict. isn't the right place to house asylum seekers or anybody. i mean, 2000 boy scouts you put in there and it still wouldn't be a good site. it's just completely the wrong place to house anybody. it's not fit for for roger, anybody. >> there was there are 2000 asylum seekers in scampton. they are. correct me if i'm wrong. they are allowed to leave, aren't they? and go to the town to and the shops and so on. what's that been like for the community? >> no they haven't, they've never turned up, the home office have lied to us from day one, they would turn up the first yeah they would turn up the first year. last year, the latest one they're turning up this summer. well, i know it's technically still summer, but the home office's view all along was they are arriving this month. that month, and everything else. we actually haven't ever had any

asylum seekers here. they haven't actually finished the place . place. >> and why is scampton so, so special ? historically, of special? historically, of course, it's the home of the dambusters . dambusters. >> it was the home of the dambusters. it was also the red arrows. until recently, they were the last unit there. and the v—force , the vulcan bomber, the v—force, the vulcan bomber, the v—force, the vulcan bomber, the one that the famous one that took off from bombed port stanley runway flew from raf scampton, so it's been in existence since 1915. i believe it's one of the most historic places in the country, but it's not just that. it's our home. it's we want to preserve its history . we also have to have history. we also have to have a future. and this offers us the best future we've ever had. >> yeah, i think your comments could be echoed all across the country at different sites where they are housing asylum seekers. you know, the same thing. people are saying they want to preserve their communities. they're the future of their their communities and the country and the integrity of where they live, roger, i guess i'd say

congratulations on on your victory. roger patterson, you are from the. yes. go on. roger, just say something, ben, >> before i go, because it would be remiss of me not to just thank everybody @gbnews because all the way along, since this, this whole nightmare started. news organisations, gb news is has been one of those people will from east midlands reporter and all your programmes and everybody you've been absolutely fantastic for us. you've supported us, you've told our story, you've fought for us and we really appreciate it. and i really do. i know you get a lot of flak from people, which is totally unfair because you are a channel that speaks for the community. and i just wanted to say thank you. >> no . you're welcome roger. and >> no. you're welcome roger. and it's you know, i don't think we're doing anything , anything we're doing anything, anything special or above and beyond, but it's a story that's close to communities all up and down the country. and i think, well, more broadcasters should be getting stuck into it. it shouldn't just be us. but no worries. i guess. rogen be us. but no worries. i guess. roger, you're welcome and

congratulations. >> thank you very much. thank you. >> okay, great. well, coming up, tomorrow's newspaper front pages have just landed. and my panel of experts are on standby to give me their analysis. oh, and this petition. >> right here is solely about getting free seats for people of size . size. >> should the obese be made to pay for two airline instead of one? that's next.

patrick christys tonight with me. ben. leo the very first front pages have just been delivered hot off the press. we'll start with the daily mail . we'll start with the daily mail. wow, look at this. none of our attack submarines at sea. utterly dire state of the royal navy, laid bare in shocking figures. look, can this country get any worse? oh, and also, here we go. disbelief and anger as england football boss says he won't sing the national anthem. all right. the i, game changer weight loss pills on the way. in a major boost to the nhs. er,

the ozempic style pill could be deployed to prevent obesity. the times rich ready to quit uk over budget tax threat. yeah, we covered this last week a record 9.5 million. sorry. 9500 millionaires may be lost this yeah millionaires may be lost this year. and according to a report i saw a few weeks back, that was second only to china. of course, labour mooted to be hiking up capital gains tax in october, and the daily telegraph. this is the big story, isn't it? the interim england manager , who had interim england manager, who had about 40 caps playing for the repubuc about 40 caps playing for the republic of ireland, says he won't sing our national anthem. let's get stuck into this, shall we, lee carsley, alex armstrong, he he manages england and he won't sing god save the king. >> yeah, it's ridiculous, isn't it? so. so let's have a look at some of sven—goran. eriksson did right. and he wasn't from this country. i mean, let's let's remember that lee carsley also played for ireland as well. but there's also other players that have played for ireland and have sung it, including jack grealish

and declan rice. so i don't know whether he's not clear whether this is a political point. he's saying it's about the game, he's saying it's about the game, he's saying he gets focused in on the game before he goes onto the pitch and therefore doesn't sing the anthem. but i think this is ridiculous. i mean, i think if you're the england captain, you've got to show a bit of patriotic pride before you get on the pitch, and i think the fans will want to see you do that. of course, fabio capello didn't do it because he couldn't speak the language. simple as that. >> but john sergeant, even if he even if he went by these rules, he is talking about previously where he wants to focus on the game and wants to, you know, get into the swing of things. surely this is the biggest job of your career. you are managing england . career. you are managing england. sing the damn anthem. >> yeah, no, i agree, i think it's absolutely absurd. i mean, he doesn't seem to grasp the whole importance of these games. it's to make sure that people who do feel proud of the country can cheer on the england team. it's meant to be harmless. it's not like war. this is why people do it. this is why people like it. if you can't follow that, if you can't see why. even when we

lose, we get upset because they're our team. but you can't then say, oh, by the way, they're not really sort of our team. we don't really need to bother with that. it's absurd . bother with that. it's absurd. i'm afraid he needs a talking to. >> well, there we go. >> well, there we go. >> a talking to susie. should he be sacked? >> i'm going to say he should be sacked. i really i feel a bit. i play sacked. i really i feel a bit. i play football, you know, i'm really big on football. you know, i absolutely love football. and i'm one of those people that almost cry when we lose , you know, i'm one of lose, you know, i'm one of those. but i mean, it just it just seems very odd, doesn't it? like you say, like if you've worked your whole life, you get to this position, you know, just get on with it, mate. you know, don't, like, jeopardise your career over something like this, but i do. i find these moments really powerful. like when we sing the national anthem, i get very emotional. i find it really powerful before a game of football, and there's that thing, isn't it? it's like we don't have that. what's that thing that the new zealand rugby people do? oh the hack. yeah. we don't have the we don't have that. but this is what we have. this is our thing you know. and it's like the power and the unity. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> no, i completely agree. i think it's a bit of common sense

isn't it. this is part of the job description in my opinion. it's like this is despite all politics. this is the one thing everyone in britain england. should i say comes, comes together for . absolutely. together for. absolutely. >> yeah. there are calls now for him to go . he's not even managed him to go. he's not even managed one england game. it's, no. jason burke, who's the sports writer at the telegraph , is writer at the telegraph, is saying if he can't sing the national anthem, he shouldn't be managing the team. >> no, i mean, i agree with that. i think i mean, it's a bit embarrassing to say sack him. he's only just started. but what an idiotic thing to do. and if he if he had decided secretly with him, you know, quietly thinking i don't think i'll sing it, why can't he just shut up? if he says i won't sing our anthem ? that's it's virtually anthem? that's it's virtually like saying and i hate england. i'm just the england manager and the fact that he has admitted this and sat down and ridiculous , this and sat down and ridiculous, given an interview about it, is a i mean, it's just it's just a bit it's incompetence. >> the questions arising as to whether it's his ties to ireland and that's why he won't sing it. and i think that will really

raise eyebrows. of course it is. but that seems to be the case. but that seems to be the case. but like i said, other players jack, jack, jack grealish, declan rice played for ireland. they have no problem singing the national anthem. so i think it's ridiculous. >> i think he should go. sorry lee carsley, you should. you should be off. off your shop. >> that's it. go now. >> the oasis ticket scandal is rumbling on. we've heard this week from the prime minister, who welcomes an investigation into ticketmaster over their approach to so—called dynamic ticket pricing. but now maybe the most important man of all, liam gallagher himself, has waded into the debate with a flurry of tweets. this morning, he posted on x. oasis are back. you're welcome. and i hear their attitude stinks. good to know. some things , some things never some things, some things never change. the oasis frontman went a step further, though, when one fan challenged him on the ticket prices. gallagher replied, telling the fan to shut up. >> oh my god, what do you make of that alex armstrong? >> well, i mean, that's what you'd expect, right? i mean, i wouldn't expect anything less from oasis. it's right within their, their brand. but i mean, look, i mean , i don't think you look, i mean, i don't think you should speak to your fans like that, but i, like i said, it's

in brand for him. look, the ticket price thing's been going on for a really long time. it's probably not their fault. they probably not their fault. they probably didn't even know there was dynamic pricing. a lot of these big organisations get away with murder, and they've announced two extra dates that are going to be, i think, a lot three, so they've they've done what they can to resolve the issue and play two extra nights. >> so i'll be honest, i've covered this story a lot this week, and i really, i must say, i really don't care. i don't know why this is getting so much attention, so much media coverage, so much furore over it. i mean, it's just it's a band. >> it's two things, isn't it? like, yeah, i think it is. it's a bit over the top. the coverage, but at the same i mean, i was one of those people that you know, logged on. did you know. no logged on as did my brother. we all logged on. and you know, we're big oasis fans. we're big blue fans. britpop. you know, i was born in the 80s. the 90s was, you know, the time for music. and so i think, you know, i understand the feeling because we felt really, as we would say in the east end, mugged off by the whole situation. but as you say, you know, i'm not going to get angry at the, the, the brothers. for me, this is big corporations .

me, this is big corporations. and actually, let's do something about that because i think it is about that because i think it is a bit unfair and hopefully i'll get a ticket the next show. john, are you going to be in the front row of wembley next year? >> no, i can manage without. >> no, i can manage without. >> i mean, the whole point is you can manage. it's this assumption that there's sort of that life is fair. no, life is often unfair. there are all sorts of things you want which you can't buy. and people just this extraordinary sense in which they're all sort of kids running about, bursting into tears because they can't have what they wanted but grow up . what they wanted but grow up. >> do you know what i would say? >> do you know what i would say? >> life is full of all sorts of things. >> i agree with you the assumption that all you've got to do is say something is unfair, and then we all have to start screaming and throwing phones across the room and everything else. >> it's not as simple as that. >> it's not as simple as that. >> you know what slightly awed was? you selected a ticket. it said £150. you went all the way through, got to the checkout, and then it said 350. and i think if you went to book a plane ticket and it said 150, and then it suddenly vamped it up and then it suddenly vamped it ”p by, and then it suddenly vamped it up by, you know, double. yeah. that's what was very strange that happened to me this week. >> i'm not going to name the houday >> i'm not going to name the holiday firm, but i booked a holiday. i mean, we've had no summer whatsoever. so i thought

stuff this, i'm going to book a houday stuff this, i'm going to book a holiday for the next couple of months, going to the canaries somewhere. anyway, i got a price the day before and i thought, oh, that's okay, not bad. i went to book it the next day, less than 24 hours later, and it had jumped by about £800. i don't know why. >> wow. >> wow. >> but cover up your ip address. that's what it is. >> sometimes you have to clean the cookies or something. yeah. >> track you. and then they put your prices up. >> they knew that you were going home. >> they knew that you were going for that and you could affect others. bannau. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> they want to get your net. they want to get your carbon emissions down. that's what they want. >> what a scam. broken britain at its finest. anyway, coming up, i'll have the rest of tomorrow's newspaper front pages. more have just dropped hot off the press. and by the way, it has the american icon, joan rivers got the best explanation yet for war in the middle east. >> palestinians , you cannot >> palestinians, you cannot throw rockets and expect people to not defend themselves. >> now, of course, just to be very clear that was ten years ago. so some people online are saying joan was speaking well before her time, but it's doing the rounds again online. everybody's saying that clip is the best explanation yet about the best explanation yet about the war in the middle east. all

that and much more. in just a few minutes

patrick christys tonight with me , patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo only on gb news. more newspapers have just dropped hot off the press, the daily mirror says i warned bosses someone would die. top gear star chris harris claims he warns there would be a death on the show before freddie flintoff now infamous crash. the daily star are you okay, gandalf? a hobbit star sir ian mckellen, has called the late queen mad and he's received a bit of stick from it. nice pun from the star there. and the daily express carries that same story. give back your gong. fury as sir ian badmouthed, the late queen. let's get stuck into this one, shall we? this is part of a wider ranging interview with the times, where mckellen said that he took prince harry's side amid the royal row, said that king charles was what was the quote?

he was, damaged and the queen, the late queen elizabeth, was rude and quite mad in her later years. >> alex, this is absolutely ridiculous . >> alex, this is absolutely ridiculous. he's off his rocker. i mean, he should just shut up. i mean, he should just shut up. i mean, he should just shut up. i mean , a well respected actor i mean, a well respected actor who is obviously got i don't know what award he's been been given. i'm not entirely sure, but he obviously. sir ian mckellen. yes, to just say that about the late queen as well, one of the most beloved monarchs of many generations and something that someone that everyone in our country still feels a great affinity to . it's feels a great affinity to. it's only just recently passed away. it's a ridiculous thing to say. it's a ridiculous thing to say. i mean , imagine if he'd be i mean, imagine if he'd be rolling in his grave if someone said that about him after he passed away. i just think this is ridiculous. if he doesn't like the royal family and he does think the king is damaged and the queen was mad , he should and the queen was mad, he should hand back his his his awards. >> susie, why are people saying silly things in public, even if they believe them? lee carsley is saying he won't sing the national anthem despite being the england manager. now. ian mckellen with this interview. what's wrong with this? >> i know it's really strange, isn't it? like, i mean, i've actually met so many mckellen a

number of times. he's a really nice guy. he's come down to our youth club and judged art competitions. he's really lovely . competitions. he's really lovely. so it is very strange because even whether you're for or against the royal family, you know, she was universally loved. i actually met the queen. she came to my school like 20 years ago, you know, and she was just universally loved and respected. and now she's passed away and you just can't speak ill of someone like that. i can't work out if this has been taken grossly out of context. that's the only thing i could say. well, no it hasn't. >> no. >> no. >> it was. well, then. >> it was. well, then. >> well, then it is very silly and ill judged, i suppose. >> i suppose in his defence it's free speech. he can say what he wants. of course he can. we back it. but i just wonder why. what reward are you getting out of that? >> i think it's just. it's a sign of age, isn't it? he's got he's become irresponsible. >> how old is he? doesn't care. 85. >> i know, but he doesn't. you get the impression with me that he just thinks i've sort of toe the line. i've done this. and also the recent publicity when he falls off the stage where suddenly this enormous well of support, as if he had died. >> yes. that's true. >> yes. that's true. >> i think he probably thought

you know, i can i can say things now. and i really i really can't. you mean, i don't really like the queen. you know? and yeah, it's like a child . actors yeah, it's like a child. actors are a bit childish. anyway, i know a bit about i worked with them, there is an element always of playing and they play like children. and you just feel with him. it's heady stuff, isn't it? he's 85. do what he likes, say what he likes. but we shouldn't take it seriously. >> okay , well, let me know what >> okay, well, let me know what you think about this next clip, because a plus sized man struggling to fit into his seat on an aeroplane got snapped by a fellow passenger, provoking fierce debate online. >> so this photo was uploaded to facebook, and it was taken on a flight from helsinki to copenhagen on monday. and if you're listening on radio, it shows a he's a huge man, two seat man, taking up pretty much a seat and a half, squashing the guy next to him on an aeroplane. it shows the man protruding into the aisle, with passengers having to navigate around him. some have said he should have paid for two seats, whereas some blame the airlines for not increasing the size of seats. as humans get fatter, come off it.

so should the obese flyers pay for two seats? >> yes , yes, they absolutely >> yes, yes, they absolutely should. this is ridiculous. it's your problem . not everyone your problem. not everyone else's around you. and we celebrate obesity in this absolute mad world. we start saying, oh, i saw this article about carnival where they say plus size people are celebrated at the notting hill carnival. it's ridiculous. we don't celebrate cancer. obesity kills hundreds of thousands of people all over the world, and we've got to stop normalising it. and yes, she should pay for two seats. i'm sorry john. >> yeah, i mean, it's a sad thing to say, but of course they should pay for two seats. people i know who are overweight realise that this is an endless inconvenience for other people . inconvenience for other people. i was sitting next to someone the other day on the tube enormous guy and i felt, well, look, it's all very well. pay for two tickets, shouldn't they? and i thought, you can't do it on the underground. you can't, you know, you can't say, look, this is my seat as well. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> and you say something about i get a priority seat because i'm so old. but even so, there's this guy. and you did feel he was oblivious to this? i mean, i can sit here, but actually you

can't. the truth is that if you're that big, be careful. >> maybe they should pay for extra weight. you know, if you get an extra suitcase on the plane . i mean, surely his weight plane. i mean, surely his weight is compared to, say, the average person. not only are you taking up two seats, you're adding a vast load of weight to the plane as well. >> yeah, i mean, i don't even want to comment on it. i don't know what i think about this. it makes me feel a bit sad. but what i do think these, you know, i do think we have to have a revolution on this, don't we? you can't have, you know, like you say, you know, being overweight kills. and actually i'm for the sugar tax and people can you know, and i'm for lots and lots of things we can do around public health and education to and encouraging people to exercise. and maybe these, you know , weight loss these, you know, weight loss injection things or whatever that have come out, you know . that have come out, you know. but i'm for that because actually i think we do need to tackle this. and i think it is sad that people get into that state where they are that big. you know, that's not good for anybody. no. you know, so whether or not stop celebrating it, though, i find it one of the most ridiculous things. >> you got all these massive corporations who are flouting very, very obese people as sort

of a lifestyle, and it's become i'm not calvin klein, for example, calvin klein put billboards up with very, very large models and saying it's okay should be stomped. well, it should be stopped. you're right, john, i mean, yeah, i think they're probably trying to come against the whole thing of like, we've got a massive problem with, you know, kids with eating disorders, massive growth in that amongst girls and boys. >> i've worked in schools and it's, you know, crazy. and so they're obviously they're trying to do something about that. and these size zero models which also is not a good thing. but really the answer is, you know , really the answer is, you know, we can actually have a national strategy on this way in the next ten years. you see massive change. and we don't have an obesity rate. it's actually greater than america i hope. >> so i think, you know, aside from just overeating, because thatis from just overeating, because that is the cause of gaining fat. >> we talk about sugar tax and salt tax. i think it's a load of rubbish. i think it's calories in, calories out. but aside from sort of the semantics of it, i think overeating and being obese is it's an addiction . so i think is it's an addiction. so i think we really need to focus more. i'm not an expert, by the way. of course, i'm not a health expert, but i think we need to

focus more on why people are going to food to comfort themselves. what trauma are they? are they trying to cover up? same with alcoholism. >> mental health needs. exactly. you know, we've got mental health crisis in this country, you know, and actually we can do something about it. and i've worked for years in schools . you worked for years in schools. you can turn people's lives around a lot of the time. they need one person, a trusted adult, to speak to, to get stuff off their chest, to tell them you're okay. you're not strange . you're, you you're not strange. you're, you know, you might have some quirks, but so do we. all and you're absolutely right. you know, there are things that we can do. and, you know, i hope, you know, labour do begin to do them. >> okay. >> okay. >> let me just show you this quick clip that's been doing the rounds online again. it's from ten years ago. it's from joan rivers who of course isn't with us anymore. but people are saying now that it's the best explanation behind the war in the middle east. take a look at this. >> i'm trying to get celebrity reactions to what's going on with the palestinians and israelis right now. let me just tell you, in new jersey, were firing rockets into new york. >> we would wipe them out. >> we would wipe them out. >> i am so bored.

>> we heard they were digging tunnels from new jersey to new york. we would get rid of jersey, so i don't want to hear any more. >> oh , we'll do a partial truce. >> oh, we'll do a partial truce. >> oh, we'll do a partial truce. >> the palestinians , you cannot >> the palestinians, you cannot throw rockets and expect people not to defend themselves. >> what interesting gbnews.com forward slash your say. let me know what you think about her comments. it's time now to reveal today's greatest briton. and union jack has john sergeant your greatest briton. please. >> dwayne fields, you may not have heard from him, but i hope you will hear more about him. he's the new chief scout. he seems an admirable guy. he's already given some nice interviews , and some of the interviews, and some of the young people are saying how much he relates to them. >> yeah, and he took over from bear grylls, i think, who resigned after 15 years in the job. alex. >> your greatest. well, i have a very special, greatest briton tonight. it's a man who served 40 years in the media industry, reporting from on bbc dancing with the stars. it's of course, john sergeant. he's sitting right next to me here. >> oh, that's just too much. >> oh, that's just too much. >> oh, that's just too much. >> oh, you are john.

>> oh, you are john. >> sergeant. what a legend. >> sergeant. what a legend. >> we have. come on. greatest britain for sure. >> john, very quickly. how do you do you look back at your career with fondness. any what do you know? >> i'll tell you what i do. look back on with pride, with sort of unusual things. particularly, i suppose i wasn't a great war reporter, but i did go to wars , reporter, but i did go to wars, and i looked back on that and i think, god, would i do that now? it's too frightening. and i just think but i did go to vietnam . i think but i did go to vietnam. i did go to these things. and i may not have been brilliant doing it, but i went, wow, good stuff , stuff, >> susie, your greatest wines a little bit controversial , but little bit controversial, but but i was going to say tony blair obviously released a new book. lots of interviews this week, lots of controversial things about tony blair, lots of things about tony blair, lots of things that i don't agree with about tony blair and different things that he did. but i think you can't say the man didn't have vision. you can't say the man didn't have a mission and you can't say that he didn't actually change many things in this country for the better, including lots of schools in my area and lots of opportunities for young people, etc. and i hate the way that he's always he's always, you know, done down. i think history will look

back and actually speak well of him. >> well, he's certainly got stuff done, didn't he? i mean, uncontrolled mass migration opening the floodgates. i mean, i don't know, it's not going to be tony blair unfortunately . be tony blair unfortunately. john, any other day i would say you would be our greatest britain because of course you are a legendary journalist. you have expertise far exceeding and this is my last day. it's your last show, of course, as well. and we're going to be very sad to lose you. so any other day it would be you. but i'm going to do something special tonight. it's going to be all the young kids who are starting school this september , including my boy this september, including my boy jude, who his first day at school yesterday, he went for, i think it was two hours today. he did a couple of more hours. and from next week they'll be going to full days. not just to jude. i'm not going to be that narcissistic, but to all the young kids, the little boys and girls moving on to the next stage of life at school , all the stage of life at school, all the proud grandparents and the parents seeing them off as well. this is to you. good luck and have the best of fun at school. and of course, jude, i love you very much and i know viewers sometimes get a bit miffed that ibang sometimes get a bit miffed that i bang on about my kids so much,

but sorry, i love them. so you can't blame me. >> do it john. >> do it john. >> your union jack, please. >> your union jack, please. >> well, a jackass, one of those companies, you know, accused of behaving really badly in terms of the cladding argument providing the cladding and the disaster. >> you know, in kensington, all of these people say that it's not their responsibility. so i just think, okay, well, you know, let's just make it quite clear who the jackass is . one of clear who the jackass is. one of them. arconic. yeah. >> a damning a completely damning inquiry into grenfell failures all across the board. >> alex mines tony blair, funnily enough. >> sorry , he's just come out >> sorry, he's just come out recently, did an interview talking about immigration takes no responsibility for his role obviously in causing mass migration into britain. >> and i thought that was rather cheeky of him. >> okay, susie, your union jack has jenrick for a number of reasons. >> i'm not a fan of jenrick. i really hope he does not win the tory leadership election. i obviously don't have a vote in it, but i'm not a fan of his, you know, i know you're not a fan necessarily of big developments that are in areas that are maybe overdeveloped,

but, you know, they've just pushed through something. and he was part of back in the day , was part of back in the day, some of the dodgy dealings around that. so i'm not a fan of him at all. >> tony. yes, tony blair. no. robert jenrick. well, he had the most votes in the leadership contest in the first round. 28 votes, i think. yeah okay. it's going to be tony blair, obviously. >> you mean grenville do i do i need to do i need to explain why tony blair no, i don't think so, >> yeah. there we go . listen, >> yeah. there we go. listen, panel >> yeah. there we go. listen, panel, thank you very much. tonight, john, you've got 20s, it's your last show tonight. have you had fun @gbnews? >> a lot of fun. no i don't always agree with people on the panel >> you may have noticed that i'm here. >> yeah, all the presenters particularly. but what i have enjoyed is some terrific arguments and some very good times in terms of discussion . yeah. >> okay. well thank you. thank you for your service. we've loved you and alex. thank you for tonight, susie as well. mark dolan will be here from tomorrow from 9 pm. next up, it's headliners. thank you for tuning in and for all your comments. appreciate it. have a great weekend. here's your weather with annie .

with annie. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's been a pretty soggy day for many southern areas, but across the north and west it's been very warm and sunny. and that theme is set to continue as we head into the weekend. as further heavy rain will arrive as a result of low pressure swirling around to the south of the uk, an easterly wind , though, will an easterly wind, though, will continue to bring in some low cloud to north and eastern areas, so some haar and low cloud still to come once again tonight across eastern areas of the north and the north and west, though, another dry and clear evening. now the heavy rain will push into parts of south wales, northern areas of devon as well overnight, but it should tend to fade away as we head into the morning forjust a time, so it will be a cloudy but mild start to the day for most of us. some sunshine around,

however , particularly across however, particularly across northern areas. it's particularly parts of the highlands down towards the central belt where we will see the best of the sunshine at first thing, as well as southwestern areas of scotland in fact, as well as northern ireland. plenty of warm sunshine. temperatures already in the mid teens. first thing, another warm day to come for parts of northwestern england. a cloudy day though for parts of wales and the midlands we've got the remnants of the of tonight's wet weather lingering in these areas first thing tomorrow, and that will probably develop into heavier showers, potentially some thundery downpours after lunchtime on saturday and across the south. it will be a slightly dner the south. it will be a slightly drier day actually, but there is a risk of showers that will increase as the day goes on as those showers push up from the near continent. so in any sunshine feeling slightly warmer across the south, but still a pretty cool day for many southern and central areas. very

gb news. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines at 11:00. the royal navy serviceman who died when a merlin helicopter ditched in the channel helicopter ditched in the channel, has been named as lieutenant rhodri leyshon. the helicopter crashed off the coast of dorset on wednesday night dunng of dorset on wednesday night during the training exercise with hms queen elizabeth. an investigation into what caused the aircraft to ditch is ongoing. the police watchdog will probe the release of

footage to the media of an incident at manchester airport. it comes after a mobile phone video clip of an officer kicking and appearing to stamp on the head of farage armas, went viral on social media as he and his brother mohamed ahmed were restrained by officers. further footage obtained by the manchester evening news emerged days later , which showed the days later, which showed the immediate lead up to the incident on the 23rd of july. in other news, boris johnson has suggested prime minister sir keir starmer and home secretary yvette cooper are to blame for the most recent deaths in the channel after the government scrapped the rwanda plan. it follows a tragic incident this week where 12 lost their lives when a boat capsized , the when a boat capsized, the deadliest crossing this year. former prime minister mr johnson says the government must act for keir starmer and yvette cooper to admit that if you scrap a policy designed to save lives and you put nothing in its

place, then you will be to