your jenkins, doctor renee yourjenkins, doctor renee and andy williams tonight on the show, chilling far left coup in the courts. >> 4 million pensioners are at risk from labour's council tax raid. >> censorship is on the rise across the world and guess who's calling for it in this country? you won't believe it. >> the french say that the migrants across the channel are our fault, and i agree with

them. >> england manager lee carsley didn't sing the national anthem this evening, but why should he? it's 6 pm. and this is the saturday five. a very warm welcome to the saturday five. now, folks, censorship is rising across the world faster than alex armstrong sprinted to steal my seat last night. but rest assured, there's no gagging order here. wrongthink and dissent are alive and kicking until andy opens his gob. of course, we've got the day . course, we've got the day. myself, andrea jenkins and doctor renee in the house. sir keir starmer took down maggie thatcher's portrait in number 10, and andrea, never one to mince her words, had some thoughts about that. on our way in to number 10 and to my left, literally and politically, is andy williams ready to tear up the corporate rule book? despite being the managing director of a

corporate affairs firm? and why not? andy it's a saturday night. enjoy yourself. you know the drill. at home, each host outlines their argument about a chosen topic. then we all pile in and the fur starts to fly. and of course we want to know your views as well. i've got them open right here. send your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay and don't forget to get your questions for in ask the five. no topics are off limits, but before we start tearing each other apart, it is saturday night news with tatiana sanchez . night news with tatiana sanchez. >> darren, thank you very much and good evening. the top stories sir keir starmer has met with his irish counterpart as part of a commitment to reset relations between the uk and ireland. they say coordination on security policy will be among the priorities of planned annual uk, ireland summits. the prime minister and irish premier ,

minister and irish premier, simon harris, agreed the terms of the leader level meetings as they held talks in dublin today. the annual summits will focus on several key areas including security, justice and global issues, climate, energy, technology and innovation , technology and innovation, growth, trade and more. a joint statement said their meeting marked the start of an ambitious programme towards a renewed and strengthened partnership. the first meeting will be held in march very much about cementing the reset of relations between our two countries that we've talked about in the last eight or so weeks since i was able to form a government in the united kingdom, and today we've just had a really good session where we've been able to agree the themes, some of the structures and the way that we'll take that forward, including a summit in march of next year and annual summits thereafter , all of which summits thereafter, all of which i think will provide a strong, stronger foundation for the very many issues on which we

collaborate and cooperate for the benefit of both our countries . police searching for countries. police searching for a british man in majorca, in the same area where a british woman was found dead earlier this week, have found a body. the spanish civil guard say they believe the pair had been swept away in a flash flood after a storm hit the mediterranean island on tuesday. emergency services have been searching the area since wednesday after they rescued ten hikers and recovered the body of a 26 year old woman. a royal navy serviceman who was killed when a helicopter made a deliberate emergency landing over the english channel on wednesday, has been named as lieutenant rhodri larsen. the three people were on board the merlin mk4 during a night exercise when it ditched off the dorset coastline, killing the 31 year old. a statement from rhodri's family described him as talented, passionate, strong and loyal . in other news, the snp

loyal. in other news, the snp has called on the prime minister to u—turn on plans to cut winter fuel payments. research has shown that close to a million pensioners in scotland received those payments between 2022 and last year, but under new plans by the labour government, 87% of those would lose that financial support . more heavy rain is support. more heavy rain is expected across the uk today, with many still at risk of flooding, the met office has said. a new band of heavy and thundery rain will arrive on the south coast today, and will make its way north overnight. it says some places could see up to 100mm of rain, and there was a risk of some power cuts and flooding and cause different, difficult driving conditions . difficult driving conditions. the prime minister has paid tribute to the legacy and devotion of the late queen elizabeth ii , ahead of the two elizabeth ii, ahead of the two year anniversary of her death tomorrow. sir keir says a new memorial , tomorrow. sir keir says a new memorial, which will stand in saint james's park in london, will give people a place to

honour the late queen and connect with the shared history we cherish. britain's longest reigning monarch passed away peacefully on the 8th of september in 2022 at balmoral castle . sport now and jack castle. sport now and jack draper has crashed out of the us open after being sick four times dunng open after being sick four times during his semi—final. the british number one had hoped to emulate the likes of andy murray and emma raducanu by taking that title, but was ultimately beaten by jannik sinner. draper cited issues with anxiety as the reason for his exit from the competition, describing it as the worst feeling ever. >> chances here and there and i didn't take them and obviously when you play the best players in the world, you need to do that. and yeah, i obviously wasn't wasn't feeling my best and struggled. at certain certain periods of the match, especially towards the end. but you know, yannick, yannick beat me fair and square. he was he was too strong for me today. >> and england have taken the lead in their uefa nations

league tie with ireland. declan rice with the opener just 11 minutes in. that was then doubled by jack grealish on the 26th minute. and this is the first test for england's interim manager, lee carsley, following gareth southgate stepping down after defeat in the euros final this summer. carsley appeared not to sing the national anthem ahead of the game. the 50 year old former ireland midfielder had indicated in advance that he wouldn't join in with the national anthem, but said he is respectful of the concept and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. i'll be back with more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you very much, tatiana . >> thank you very much, tatiana. it's saturday night, my friends, and you're with the saturday

five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for a very lively show. let's crack on with tonight's first debate. which reprobate is going first? >> i'm going to go first. >> i'm going to go first. >> oh, well, a reprobate indeed . >> oh, well, a reprobate indeed. >> oh, well, a reprobate indeed. >> so this week, gerald darmanin, i think that's how you say it. the french interior minister said that the migrant crisis wasn't actually down to the increasingly ruthless smuggling gangs, but actually was a problem of britain's own making. and i agree with him . he making. and i agree with him. he said that the lure of britain's loosely regulated job market was acting as an economic magnet for migrants. who knew that if they could just make it across that last stretch of water, they could work unregulated in this country, even when they don't have the right papers. i would go further than gerald, actually . go further than gerald, actually. migrants sit in awful camps in calais in tents , and they know calais in tents, and they know that once they make it into a boat onto the water, they're

going to be picked up by the royal navy, the rnli and they're going to be escorted gracefully to the uk, where they then will be transported to their warm ensuhe be transported to their warm ensuite hotel room. they'll be given food , money, bicycles, given food, money, bicycles, travel cards and healthcare and legal representation. they also know that they can just disappear off at any point and work in the black economy. why wouldn't they come ? and even if wouldn't they come? and even if they are in the tiny minority that appeal their deportation when they get processed three times, so eventually the chances of them actually going is down to about 10%, even if they are one of that 10% and they eventually feel the home office on their collar, they disappear off into the aether. they work on the black market, they form relationships, they have children. so when they do get picked up again, they can then look to the echr to protect their right to a family life in their right to a family life in the uk . so yes, it's definitely

the uk. so yes, it's definitely our fault. we make it too easy, too comfy and they know it across. this is what they're being told. what would i do? they would arrive in dover. they would be fingerprinted and id'd as far as we can because of course they dump their documents. they would be driven in a comfy coach still, but this time to a locked detention centre where they get three meals a day. they're still warm. they still get health care, but they don't need pocket money. they don't need bicycles. they don't need travel cards. we would then process them and when they get a no, eventually they'll be then transported to they'll be then transported to the country that they should be in. that's my solution. and the french are right. what do you think, darren? >> well , absolutely. i think, darren? >> well, absolutely. i think that the issue is right. once they get here is 90% is the approval rate in this country. we compared to the people keep saying, oh, well the french take so far, far more than than we do. well that's by virtue of there being a massive they're landlocked . right. and they've

landlocked. right. and they've got a big country, a very big country compared to our little island. and of course, it is an island, so it's harder to get here. but people are still coming here. and ultimately i'm afraid that i think the entire asylum and migration system is totally broken. totally. and i think we need to stop migration until we get it sorted. >> yeah, i'd actually go one step further than doctor renee. i think the only deterrent is to send them back to calais. i think we should get the boats and take them right back to calais, where they started, and show this is a fool's errand. there's i mean, i know keir starmer is a lawyer, and he thinks he's going to pull lots of legal levers to change illegal immigration. it's not going to work. we need a strong message that coming to this country illegally gets you sent back to whence you came from. and if we don't know the national origin because as you said, they throw their id away, the only place we do know that they've come from is france, and that's where they should go. >> but alex, in order to do that, what we really need is an agreement, a deal with france. and in order to do that, we need to have strong, positive,

cordial, open channels of communication with our major european partners. and i'm afraid that over to agree. >> why would the french ever agree? >> well, i think it's a it's a challenge. it's a huge challenge. >> but given far too many millions to france and they're not stopping them coming over. well, yeah. >> but and i think that's the key point is that the, the administration we've had over the last 14 years, 14 years of conservative government where they've made false promises after false promise and failed to deliver on every single aspect of this broken system. >> we take them, they landed in france first. so the point is a safe country. but the point that france make, andy and they're right is the reason they come here is because they see us as a soft touch where they won't go back. >> they also get far more in benefits. honestly. there is a migrant hotel near to my house where outside there are hundreds of brand new bikes. there are people coming and going all day. >> i'd say two things to that. the first is that the french are always just as we have been doing. they're always going to say things like this to score a few cheap political points. it's a it's a, it's a vote winner. it's a good headline. so from

political standpoint that's why he is saying this. what about the actuality on the actual on the actuality on the actual on the actuality. what i don't like is and look there's no doubt that the system is not working. what i don't like is this suggestion or this perception that migrants are coming in here and having a having a right old you know, wonderful time and having having great fun in these hotels. you know, they're in many cases in really difficult situations. they've come from parts of the world where they're fleeing persecution in some places. not always. no, it's not nonsense. not in not in all cases. well, if they're coming, they're coming to the uk and you're saying they're not having a wonderful time, but they are coming here deliberately. >> they go through multiple safe countries in the european union where they can. they are free from persecution. they have the best rights in the world, in europe. and they still take that extra risk to come to the uk. then they get put up in five star hotels. my, they don't get put up in five star hotels. >> alex. no, they haven't been. >> alex. no, they haven't been. >> yes they absolutely have been in five star hotels. homeless people, citizens of this country, british citizens living on the street. in complete desperation. i walked through paddington train station last night and i couldn't believe how many homeless people were in the

station. i could not believe it. >> and in hampshire there are, of course, £1,400 a month flats which are being given to so—called asylum seekers. and we're not allowed to hear how much it's costing to furnish these establishments . there are these establishments. there are so many ways in which this has just been totally covered up. the murder of tom roberts. the inquiry has been thrown back by the echr article two, saying that actually they don't have a right because the british state did not know that there was a reasonable risk to life. he killed two people on the continent of europe, and they tell us that there wasn't a risk to life, but also if he if he doesn't tell us who he is, we wouldn't know that anyway. >> but the other point is, i don't care if the hotel is one star or two star. it's warm and they've got a roof over their shoulders, whereas old people are going to die off. >> we shouldn't be putting them in hotels. but the british taxpayer. that's what i think. i do think we wouldn't go abroad illegally and actually get put up in a hotel. >> so i think we've hit upon actually a potential solution here, which actually and he's an unlikely source for a solution

here. many of you might think. but tony blair this week has been saying what we need in this country is a digital id, because if we all had a digital id incarnate, tony blair wants digital. well, that is a smart thatis digital. well, that is a smart that is a smart solution to make hundreds of millions from digital identity. >> tony blair, tony blair. >> tony blair, tony blair. >> that is a smart part of the solution, a digital id and then people could come in. it doesn't matter if they've dumped their documents, because guess what? they wouldn't have that id and then you know who is here, who isn't. that is a big part of the solution. >> you have a smartphone and therefore they can't show their digital id. the whole thing. they'll find excuses. and i'm afraid leftist politicians will be all too happy to take them. >> you could almost think tony blair let them in so that he could bring in digital id. >> well, there you go. >> well, there you go. >> far more people came into britain under the conservatives than they did under tony blair. >> that's true. >> that's true. >> all right? right i'm going to abuse the position of the chair and go next. right. we're all going to go live to france shortly to actually cover protests kicking off there in the next hour. so stay tuned for that because we'll be coming back to some of those themes. but today folks, we are diving

headfirst into the surreal world of political hypocrisy. tony blair, the man behind the wmd myth, the weapons of mass destruction that fuelled the iraq war, now wants to lecture us on misinformation. hundreds of thousands of lives lost due to a lie. and now he's championing censorship. i tell you what, i've got an idea. we'll apply this censorship retrospectively. how about that, tony? what would the penalty be for lying a nation into war? >> i you know, i would prefer that the conventional media was the more powerful because social media, it's, you know , the truth media, it's, you know, the truth of the matter is it's got it's got many great aspects to it in terms of the way people interact with each other. but in politics, it's a bit of a plague. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> sorry, tony. are people onune >> sorry, tony. are people online not sharing your beliefs?

how terrible that forked tongue was wagging all the way. and lindsay hoyle, the speaker of the house of commons, is pushing for tech giants to police our speech in countries like brazil and france. they're already pulling the plug on platforms like x and telegram. this isn't about safety, it's about control. because stick around, we're only just getting started. >> i think the government have really got to think long and hard about what they're going to do with social media and what are they going to put through parliament as a bill to act. and i believe it should be a cross. it doesn't matter what country you're in, the fact is that misinformation is dangerous, that from the man who decided to take a labour amendment, despite it being the snp's day to actually choose the opposition day debate in order to actually avoid people who are supporting, well, some pretty nefarious , well, some pretty nefarious, horrible attacks on mps in the name of supporting palestine and all the rest of it, >> he said, well, i've got to choose a lighter amendment to avoid that happening. is that

not a form of disinformation in and of itself, the ultimate solution here, in my opinion, is that you only get progress towards truth when we allow the freedom to be wrong. only then with that freedom can we actually advance towards what is right. so i think we've got to resist these clarion calls for censorship here at home. britain must stand resolutely against it, alex. >> well, i mean , i completely >> well, i mean, i completely agree with you, darren, but it seems unfortunately, like that is the direction we're going to go in. keir starmer has already made some sort of statements around that and brussels as well. >> and brussels, he's their little lapdog. yes. >> absolutely. yeah. and you know i they are losing control of, of commentary online. they see that as a threat to their power. and what happens when people are threatened is they then they start to legislate that for years we've had social media free on the internet, but only since elon musk took over twitter. now they want to lock it up, now they want to crack

down on it. that never happened. in fact, before when twitter was run by the powers that be beforehand, the fbi and other secret service agents had back end access so they could lock people up, and they censored people up, and they censored people on the issue. >> not that every totalitarian throughout the history of the world has used censorship as a form of coercion. >> they they have. and i'm not in favour of that. but i think we have to recognise that the way certain elements of social media are working, or should i say, not working at the moment. we do need to look at it. misinformation is a massive problem and it's only and i'm not talking about people expressing views that other people don't like because we, we i think we all on this panel would agree that people online should be to free express themselves. but, but, but with particularly with the advent of ai, which is getting more sophisticated by the day. deepfakes. we need to look at this because it could cause some serious problems. >> well, let me ask renee is a doctor. during the lockdowns, she was opposed to many things in the name of public health that were brought about. would

you? because this is what happened to people. would you censor her right to disagree with public health information? no. because of disinformation ? no. because of disinformation? >> no, because that is an opinion. but there are clearly no but but we can't we can't ban her every single point of view. under opinion, there are there are objective truths in this. there are objective truths in this world. and that might not fall into that category. >> what about the hope not hate guy? he seems to have got let off. >> i'm in favour of applying this even handedly. what i'm saying. and i'm not. and i'm not. i don't know where you would draw the line, because this is incredibly complicated, right? it's really difficult. that's why no government in the world has cracked it yet. but what i don't think we can say is that social media platforms should be completely free of their responsibility to at least look at you know, i think they should i'm going to butt in here because i was even monitored by the government during covid. >> i was on their misinformation list. i've done the same. and i saw how much they monitored me because i was saying that children shouldn't have a vaccine. and i had very good reasons for that. and it turns out i was right. but anyway, my

point about this is, is my misinformation. then somebody decided that that was misinformation. it wasn't. it's about the definition of misinformation and who decides. it goes all the way back to orwell and 1984. it's newspeak. it's what is misinformation. and i'm afraid we should be allowed to say anything to offend somebody. we shouldn't be allowed to incite hate or violence. but that's a very, very, very the issue is as well, though we cannot rely on traditional mainstream media to put the truth out there. >> yes , it's only through, >> yes, it's only through, i mean, looking at showing the riots on x, we saw some of this have not been reported. and i think it's important that we continue with andy, who censors the censor. >> yeah. >> yeah. well >> yeah. well it's >> yeah. well it's a >> yeah. well it's a perennial question in political philosophy, i get that. but what i'm saying is we cannot have a situation where social media companies have carte blanche to run these platforms in whichever way they like, so that misinformation in some cases can thrive. i'm afraid there are such things as objective truth. yeah, well, the answer is it depends. yeah, well, the answer is it depends . oh, yeah, well, the answer is it depends. oh, i

yeah, well, the answer is it depends . oh, i know that's not depends. oh, i know that's not a satisfactory answer, but it's complicated , right. complicated, right. >> we'll have to leave that there. still to come tonight , 4 there. still to come tonight, 4 million pensioners who live alone could face a council tax hike under angela rayner's plans, with the cut in winter fuel payments as well. what's labour doing to our pensioners? have they got a problem with them? but next, england's interim manager, lee carsley, says that he will not sing the national anthem at matches. in fact, he didn't tonight. is this really an acceptable way for a man who will lead the national team to behave? you're with the saturday five live on gb news

welcome back to the saturday five. that was a very dramatic entrance, wasn't it? now it's time for our next debate. who's going next? >> that will be me. so, interim england manager lee carsley has said that he won't sing the

national anthem before england games during his time in charge and true to his word, he was tight lipped prior to england's game with ireland. that's currently going on this evening. i don't see why he should sing the national anthem apart from anything lee carsley played 40 times for ireland, not england and i'm sure we all appreciate the sensitivities associated with those two different countries and their relationship. but we also know that being an overtly patriotic englishman is not necessarily the key to being a good england manager. the recently departed sven—goran eriksson, a super swede, had a good spell in charge of england and he never so much as attempted to sing god save the queen. isn't it time that we focused on what's important when it comes to our sports people, which is how they perform on the pitch? andrea i mean, i think it demonstrates that it's got divided loyalties. >> his heart's not behind the england team winning personally, and if he can't fully support the country, then don't lead the team. >> i think it's as simple as

onune >> i think it's as simple as online is just pointing it out, saying that he's irish. he's not. he's from birmingham. he did play over there for a bit, but he's not. so you know, well he played for ireland. >> yes. so in football terms he's irish. >> so there's other players that have played fine. jack grealish for example declan rice. absolutely. they sing the national anthem and i think you cannot you cannot lead our national team and have zero pride in the country that you're leading. it's as simple as that. it's due respect. first of all, and this is the one moment in britain , in britain in general britain, in britain in general where we don't really want politics involved . and he's politics involved. and he's making it political. >> i think the problem is that and why people are so irate about this is that there is a culture that has seeped through every single part of british life that says that everything that we have isn't worth a damn. you know, everything that we've ever had and built and all the rest of it isn't worth a damn. and i think to say that the national anthem doesn't matter. like oh, it's just a few words. who cares? that is a unifying figure that brings us all together before that match, that we all take part in, and then

wish the lads well. and i just can't understand why a manager wouldn't understand the gravity of that, of saying, i'm not going to sing it. well, look how they changed the logo though, with the british flag. >> yeah, so . well, that flag. so >> yeah, so. well, that flag. so i think this is the next step actually. >> so i when i saw this story this morning, i wasn't that excited about it because there is so much else going on in the world. however, i do agree with you. we need to bring back into classrooms, into everything we do.the classrooms, into everything we do. the british flag, make children proud of it and that does extend to sport. my son used to play ice hockey for hanngey used to play ice hockey for haringey and even at that local level, before every match everybody stood up and they played the national anthem. >> yeah, the americans get this spot on. don't they get it? americans are brilliant at this. and but, you know, for me, this is just a we saw that survey that came out. what is it? a couple of weeks ago, a week ago that said the pride in britain is now at 63%. yes. i mean, it's shocking what's going on. are you surprised? >> no i'm not. young lads are watching their england manager. this is the point. turn his nose up at the national anthem.

>> and they're being told. they're being told. you must take a knee to show your. what is it? your your respect for diversity. and at the same time, it's all right. yeah. don't bother. >> he would have taken the knee. >> he would have taken the knee. >> actually, i bet they would have done. >> yeah, but alex, you you made a you you mentioned that it's you know, it's not it's not a political thing. politics shouldn't come into it now actually. god save our king. thatis actually. god save our king. that is a that is a political national anthem. now i don't know. of course it is. now hang on, hang on, i don't i don't disagree, i don't i'm in favour. i think the national anthem. you see me in a pub before an england game. yeah. absolutely. belting it out. but it is and it should be down to the personal choice of the players and of the manager and a&e the reason why people see this as political and it's certain groups, particularly the irish and some liverpudlians this to be just to be clear, and who usually says this stuff and some people from glasgow, they don't like it because of irish history. >> with britain it's got nothing to do with the actual king and our national anthem means more than just the monarchy. it's i agree with that whole country. it supersedes the monarchy. >> but why? i just don't

understand why people are getting so irate about this. i don't think fundamentally it's a meaningful issue. i really, really don't. you know, it's a personal choice. and by the way, this is actually quite a recent thing. it's, you know, when england won the world cup in 1966, they only played the anthem before the final. this is quite a new thing, playing the national anthem before every game. you mentioned how they do it in america, which, by the way, i think is massively over the top and a bit gross actually, i love it. >> it's great. >> it's great. >> no it's not, it's way too much. >> they love their country. they have bloody things flying over the top of their heads. it's too much. get on with it. it's a show isn't it? >> you play the eu anthem. is that what it is? >> no, i. enjoy i mean people, a lovely piece of music. >> you know, i just, i just think it's ridiculous. i think he represents our country on the biggest sport in the world, and he should just show a little bit of pride in that and show that, show his players and teach young people that it's okay to be proud. >> it is. it is our national sport and deserve the job if he can't see. oh come on. but this is my point, is that we can't make we can't be making sporting

decisions decisions that that about the ability you know, we need to be looking at the facts about how able they are, how capable they are, their experience, not about whether or not they decide to open their mouth for 60s blood, sweat and tears for england and that football club and believes in this country. but you can do that in different ways. you can show that passion in different. you can show that passion in different ways. >> at the moment. >> at the moment. >> but andy, you must see the problem with where players are being told you must take the knee, but then they're allowed to say, actually, don't bother your managers. all right. >> well, i think, i think do you not see the problem. no, because i think you're talking about two completely. i think you're deliberately conflating two completely different issues there. and actually political culture, if you want to call them political. >> they're both a&e, though. i think that's a very slippery slope, though, because a lot of people say, oh, well, you know, they shouldn't wear the poppy then, because that's political as well. well, but that's the irish would say. >> but i think that's up to the individual as well, poppy. >> some, some irish, not all to be clear, but they would say, excuse me that actually the poppy excuse me that actually the poppyis excuse me that actually the poppy is a political act in and of itself. they wear the poppy

on their england shirts sometimes. yeah, but again, it's interesting. >> people on the right are all in favour of freedom of speech and freedom to decide this and that and that. but when it comes to, when it comes to. but when it comes to it somewhere else. yeah, but when it comes to that. so we're saying that, you know, if it comes to something like the poppy, you can't play for england unless you wear the poppy- >> this is, this is really important, the freedom of speech. part of this is no one is saying he should be sacked. no one's saying they are, though. i'm not saying they are. >> andrea did. >> andrea did. >> i'm saying. i'm saying he should freely quit if he doesn't want to do the job right. >> he does want to do the job. >> he does want to do the job. >> i don't want him censored. i don't want him banned. i don't want him. that's that's what freedom of speech is sure should be saying. but i think it's really important that he is entitled to do this. whether he's going to have a backlash from them, which he's going to get, is the problem. he's entitled to show his colours and let people judge him on it. i don't think he should be sacked, but i think he should freely quit the job. if he doesn't feel he's patriotic enough to represent england. all right. >> when you take a job, there are conditions to it. this could be one of them. it's not, but it could be. >> it doesn't need to be.

>> it doesn't need to be. >> absolutely. just sing it as david cameron to jeremy corbyn. >> put on a tie. do it. be a suit. well no. put do up your put on a suit. do up your tie and sing the national anthem. yeah absolutely. right. still to come tonight a body representing barristers has announced a new round of diversity measures for lawyers. but next, 4 million pensioners who who live alone could face a council tax hike under angela rayner's plans, with the cut in winter fuel payments . two what's labour payments. two what's labour doing to our pensioners? you've got some thoughts about that. and someone's just asked if this is a clip on tie. it certainly isn't , cotton said. it's tight isn't, cotton said. it's tight on so well, it looks like a clip on so well, it looks like a clip on tie. i promise you, it's not. anyway, you want the saturday five live on gb

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who wants to go next? >> i'll do it draghi. >> i'll do it draghi. >> oh, bravery, bravery, bravery , >> oh, bravery, bravery, bravery, right? >> 4 million pensioners, widows, divorcees and others living alone could be hit hard by a council tax raid. now angela rayner has refused to rule out stopping the council tax discount for single person occupancy. our pensioners make up half of those claiming this discount , up half of those claiming this discount, and some over 34% of our country will be affected by this. this will mean that 4 million pensioners who have already been hit hard by losing the winter fuel allowance, face a bitterly cold winter. now i ask how can labour continue their financial assault on the british people? they're bringing through policies that were not in their manifesto. they have clearly conned the electorate. >> darren, what would you say then to sir keir starmer, who would turn round to you and say, well , would turn round to you and say, well, andrea, your lot would turn round to you and say, well , andrea, your lot left would turn round to you and say, well, andrea, your lot left us with a £22 billion black hole, >> but did you see the recent

interview today and analysis that something like 9 billion of it is, is due to the public sector pay rises ? sector pay rises? >> yeah, that is £11 billion for climate change aid . climate change aid. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> and let's not forget the 28 billion for the gold plated civil service pensions. keir starmer's best mates. it seems like a complete stitch up doesn't it. >> well on one of our viewers ann has written in and ann says darren, the removal of council tax discount also affects single parents, not completely exactly who work but have universal credit top up because they are low paid. they don't get council tax paid for unless they're on full benefit. you should come over on a dinghy pet. this means that the move affects women disproportionately, whether it's older widows or single parents. and as some of the affected are working with breaks, which breaks labour's promise of not taxing the workers, it's age discrimination, sex discrimination, sex discrimination and breaking manifesto promises. not a good look for cruella reeves. ooh, that's a new one. >> word. we talked about the winfield allowance thing last week , and i as i said at the

week, and i as i said at the time, i am very much in favour of means testing that we were giving lots of to money rich pensioners who didn't need it on the single parents in council tax discount. i am not in favour of making changes there. i think there are very good reasons why single people pay less than their council tax. that seems to me very obvious. we need to find the money elsewhere. but where we do need to make changes is with council tax itself. we need to blow it up completely and start again. this is a system where your council tax band is determined by the value of your house. in the. in april 1991. that's four months before i was born. it's a mad, mad system and labour should look at it. and if and if that means that some people are going to have to pay more council tax and some people are going to pay less , so be it. are going to pay less, so be it. we need to relook at it. >> yeah we do. you're absolutely right. we do need to look at it because council tax should have nothing to do with the value of your house, which depends on where it is in the country. what it should be to do with is how many people live in that house who are of working age . why who are of working age. why should someone in a two bedroom house where they're a single

parent, with a child under five, or whatever it is living next door to the same two bedroom house that has got four working adults in it, pay the same for local services . those people are local services. those people are using more schools. they're using more schools. they're using more schools. they're using more roads , they're using using more roads, they're using more bins. it should be per person. that was also known as the poll tax, which was actually quite a good idea. but everybody wanted to blow that up. it absolutely shouldn't be connected to our house and we are going to affect so many people with their broken promises , pensioners, young promises, pensioners, young people, you know , people who people, you know, people who live on their own, people who inherited their house or bought it 45 years ago. so if they change the system now to still be attached to the value of their house, which is the suggestion those people who are asset rich and cash poor are not going to be able to. >> but at a point when people are struggling anyway, all these decisions that labour are making recently when people are. >> but why are so many people? why are the people? but why are so many people struggling? it's because the last government crashed the economy into the

ditch. there was no and even if you let's not even talk about liz truss because no one wants to. but if you look at the last 14 years and actually slightly before that, we've had no economic , we've had no economic, economic, we've had no economic, but a global pandemic, covid, which happened in 2020. what about the ten years? what about what about the what about the decade before that, where there was no where there was where there was no economic growth? no, no, no , no. no, no, no, no. >> you can't argue that that labour inherited a bad economy. yes. you can. fastest growing economy in the g7. i mean, this i mean, look at the state that labour left the country in. i mean, come on, we have to be realistic here. the problem that i've got, andy, is that these feel like very political decisions. the money is available in government if they want to protect winter fuel payments for pensioners, which i think age uk have got over half a million petitions signed for now, which is an incredible amount of people have also said in the past they're in favour of scrapping means, of bringing in means testing for that. >> and i think they're right. >> and i think they're right. >> but the point, the point is, is that these are political decisions that starmer is. yes, they are. he is betrayed his voters because he never put this in his manifesto. and we have to hold him accountable. and in the past you'd be saying the same if the tories put things that

weren't in their manifesto into government, into legislation, or did things like you'd be calling them out for it, and we need to call out starmer and rachel reeves for exactly the same reason . reason. >> look, politics is about priorities. and labour's making a decision and not everyone's. i appreciate not everyone watching this is going to like it, but labouris this is going to like it, but labour is making a decision that actually pensioners, for example. and i'm not i'm not train driver and i'm not talking about the poorest pensioners, i'm talking about the majority of pensioners. actually, they've had a really nice easy ride over the last 15 years. yes, they have , yes they have. working, have, yes they have. working, working, working people. some, some of them. yes. some of them are, but not all of them are. you must have seen the least, least well paid in the whole of the oecd. let me put it another way. if i said to you the top 20% wealthiest pensioners, should we take away their winter fuel allowance, would you agree ? fuel allowance, would you agree? >> i don't i don't think i do, actually. i think everyone should be treated equally. >> that's free. but that's not treating everyone equally. that's giving free money to rich people. why would you do that? because you're the problem with the way that labour is doing it is there are actually people who are on the breadline and their

cost of living is high. >> not not necessarily blaming labour for that because the tories have a lot to answer for in the cost of living as well. but you have to make a point and say, right, the carol vorderman interview is a perfect one where that poor, poor woman called in and said , actually, me and my and said, actually, me and my other half are both disabled living in this house and we're going to lose our winter fuel payments and we can't even get out of bed right? but hang on realistic, there are poor people who are going to suffer and there will be people who will die. >> but i think she would. >> but i think she would. >> and there will be people who die this winter. there will be people who die this winter, and they will be on keir starmer and rachel thieves. >> the whole point is, well, these wealthy pensioners that you're talking about, let's let's talk about the ones at the very top. they're the ones that have paid the most tax into the system. >> yeah, but i'm sorry , but >> yeah, but i'm sorry, but labour always come in and they punish those who've worked hard and do the right thing. yeah, i'm sorry, but politics has to be about priorities. we have a finite amount of tax to pay. we have a fight. we have a fight. we have a finite amount of we have finite amount of cash available. and labour is making choices about where to apportion that cash. and i think broadly they're making the right choices. >> i might agree with you on

that. on saying, look, let's make it fair for everyone . let's make it fair for everyone. let's get rid of it altogether. right? fine. i'll tell you what then stop ed miliband putting £150 on everyone's energy bills, which is going to disproportionately hit that is that is not what's happening with. >> no, it's not it's not what subsidies are contracts with massive subsidies attached to them in order to get through these green deals for these great whopping wind farms, gb energy is all about an amount of up front. and no, it's not. it's about amount of up front investment that is going to provoke much more private sector investment. so it's a short term up front investment that will we have to invest one of the one of the problems with climate grandstanding. >> it's not global grandstanding . >> it's not global grandstanding. >> it's not global grandstanding. >> one of one of the problems that we have in this economy. and the reason we haven't grown for such a long time is because we've not been to prepared invest, to grow, and we have to do that. we absolutely do . and do that. we absolutely do. and if we don't, if we don't, we're going to be completely screwed, even more screwed than we are now. we should be investing in infrastructure. we should be investing in the green technology of the future. and we should be thinking smartly about

people in our country. >> and it shouldn't come across to pensioners , and our to pensioners, and our grandparents should be warm. >> to be honest , grandparents should be warm. >> to be honest, i, i grandparents should be warm. >> to be honest , i, i completely >> to be honest, i, i completely agree with you. >> and that's yes they are. >> and that's yes they are. >> are they going to keep warm should they not? >> i mean it's going to be means tested. i don't. >> sorry sorry sorry sorry that it's wrong to prioritise train drivers who are already were above the national average, way above the national average, way above over pensioners. >> i'm not in favour of train drivers getting pay rises like they didn't they? okay, okay. >> bring back boiling. >> bring back boiling. >> still to come tonight we'll go live to france. where there have been protests kicking off over michel barnier. remember him? his appointment as prime minister but next a body representing barristers has announced a new round of diversity measures for lawyers. gosh we'll discuss the latest on these diversity, equality and inclusion rules. so your lawyer, when you've been locked in the slammer for posting something on facebook, goodness only knows what they'll be like . you're what they'll be like. you're with the saturday five live on gb news

welcome back to the saturday five. as always , thank saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your emails about tonight's topics. someone comments saying that tony blair has taken the lead role in the second rate dracula movie . ben second rate dracula movie. ben says one of the crucial abilities of a nation's football manager is to be able to show pride in the country he's representing. this is not just the uk football league, it's the football on the world stage and therefore an issue of national pride. how can he be a role model if he cannot show that crucial role ? and alan points crucial role? and alan points out on the issue of identity cards , if you can fake credit cards, if you can fake credit cards, if you can fake credit cards, driving licence , national cards, driving licence, national insurance numbers , cvs, etc, you insurance numbers, cvs, etc, you can fake digital identity and susan very sagely points out, instead of resetting relations with other countries, which is what sir keir starmer says he's been doing in ireland today, why

not reset your relationship with people in the united kingdom? you know , your employer, the you know, your employer, the taxpayer? yeah good one susan. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> quite right. and then alan says how many other foreign countries does starmer going to suck up to? yet he refuses to open his mouth about what his country's residents are most concerned about the taboo word immigration. yeah okay. and andy, apparently andy williams was a good singer. i assume they're talking about someone else and not you, the crooner. >> are you a good i am absolutely shocking as a singer. i'm dreadful. truly dread . no. i'm dreadful. truly dread. no. no chance, no chance. >> give us a line time then, for our next debate. >> there's only one person left. so by process of elimination, it's going to be me. >> it's got to be me, right? well, rather shocking news recently. i just read yesterday a good friend of mine who is a barrister sent me this message and he said, i'm getting quite fearful for my job. and i asked myself and i asked him, well, why? and he showed me this potential very, very serious update to the bsp, which is the

bar standards , sorry, bar bar standards, sorry, bar standards board. they are the regulator in charge of lawyers and barristers in our country. now, there is already lots of standards and practices that the bar put forward, which are very good. one of them says quite here, which very good must we must not discriminate unlawfully against any person, which i don't think anyone can disagree with. now, in more shocking turn of events , the bsp are now of events, the bsp are now putting forward an argument that says this we now must not discriminate on the basis of anything that may be seen to advance diversity, equity and inclusion. so lawyers are going to be forced to advance dei in their day jobs or or face regulatory action. now, one lefty lawyer has spent two months destroying our country. imagine what an entire country full of them will do. imagine also, if you're a reform

supporting lawyer. well, reforms policy states that they want to remove dei completely from the country. does that mean if you're a reform supporting lawyer, that you would not be allowed to practice? i am deeply fearful of the route that this is going down. it will silence and censor lawyers and barristers across the country , barristers across the country, and they're already fearful for their jobs. and they're already fearful for theirjobs. there's and they're already fearful for their jobs. there's enough and they're already fearful for theirjobs. there's enough lefty lawyers in this country as it is . lawyers in this country as it is. andy, what do you think? >> well, i mean, firstly, the reforms policy to remove dei from the country. i mean, i don't even that's not even a sentence that makes sense. of course i don't know. it's not i don't even i don't understand, i don't even i don't understand, i don't understand what that would mean. so you would mandate that nobody is. so dei stands for diversity equality or diversity, eqtu diversity equality or diversity, equity and inclusion. all of those are values that i think most of us fundamentally would think are good things that are worth pursuing, how you pursue them. that is a different question. but to remove to remove the idea of striving for

greater diversity and greater inclusion, in particular in our society, i don't i literally cannot understand why that would be a bad thing. >> so just to be clear, there are policies that are in force across multiple regulators and businesses that say you must hire x amount of people from x background , and therefore there background, and therefore there will be a job that only somebody from a specific ethnicity can can go for . from a specific ethnicity can can go for. that's not a good example of this. they said only people that are not white british people may not apply basically. so this is the problem and reform want to end that. and i am fully supportive of that. >> andy, let me ask you a question. itv not too long ago , question. itv not too long ago, robert peston, their chief political top cheese , he tweeted political top cheese, he tweeted out a job advert for a young person getting into the industry. now this is an industry. now this is an industry that there are a lot of white working class kids wouldn't dream of getting involved in, so it could be a great opportunity for them . only great opportunity for them. only they weren't able to apply because of the fact that they wanted candidates from bame communities. right? so the fact of the matter is here that you

are supporting, are you not a tacitly racist policy? i would argue that that itv policy was indeed racist . indeed racist. >> i wouldn't, because i think so. firstly, diversity takes many forms and i completely agree with you that we should be doing just as much to get white working class kids into these sorts of industries as we should people from bame backgrounds, but it doesn't because we should be. it's not an either or. we should be pursuing both. we should be pursuing both. we should be pursuing outright . not should be pursuing outright. not thatis should be pursuing outright. not that is one example, but we should be looking at specific initiatives that are encouraging people from that background and also from white working class. it's not an either or. it can be both. >> we'll have to leave that one there. sorry. yes, we'll let you come back after the break. right. lots more to come on the show tonight. we're going to go live to france to get the latest on the protests that have been taking place. there will have the saturday scrap on labour plans for the house of lords and the all important one. how you make a cuppa first though your weather with greg dewhurst. see you after this . you after this. >> that warm feeling inside from

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happening there. and also the comments from the french interior minister that suggests that the migrant deaths in the channel were due to failures on britain's part. remember folks, we gave them half £1 billion to stop the boats. plus we'll fire through five quick stories in bunch of five, including how to make the best british brew. and then we'll be answering your questions in ask the five. send them through to gbnews.com/yoursay. first of all, though, it is saturday night news with tatiana sanchez . night news with tatiana sanchez. >> darren. thank you and good evening. the top stories sir keir starmer has met with his irish counterpart as part of a commitment to reset relations between the uk and ireland. they say coordination on security policy will be among the priorities of planned annual uk, ireland summits. the prime minister and irish premier , minister and irish premier, simon harris, agreed the terms

of the leader level meetings as they held talks in dublin this afternoon . the annual summits afternoon. the annual summits will focus on several key areas including security, justice, climate , energy, technology and climate, energy, technology and innovation, growth, trade and more. a joint statement said their meeting marked the start of an ambitious programme towards a renewed and strengthened partnership. the first meeting will be held in march . march. >> very much about cementing the reset of relations between our two countries that we've talked aboutin two countries that we've talked about in the last eight or so weeks since i was able to form a government in the united kingdom, and today we've just had a really good session where we've been able to agree the themes. some of the structures and the way that we'll take that forward , including a summit in forward, including a summit in march of next year and annual summits thereafter, all of which i think will provide a strong, stronger foundation for the very many issues on which we collaborate and cooperate for

the benefit of both our countries . countries. >> in other news, the snp has called on the prime minister to u—turn on plans to cut winter fuel payments. research has shown that close to a million pensioners in scotland received the payments between 2022 and last year, but under new plans by the labour government, 87% of those would lose that financial support . meanwhile, the prime support. meanwhile, the prime minister has paid tribute to the legacy and devotion of the late queen elizabeth the second. ahead of the two year anniversary of her death tomorrow, sir keir says a new memorial, which will stand at saint james's park in london, will give people a place to honour the late queen and connect with the shared history that we cherish. britain's longest reigning monarch passed away peacefully on the 8th of september, two years ago at balmoral castle . and england balmoral castle. and england have won their uefa nations league tie against ireland.

declan rice with the opener just 11 minutes into the game, and that was then doubled by jack grealish. this was the first test for england's interim manager, lee carsley, following gareth southgate stepping down after defeat in the euros final this summer. and carsley didn't sing the national anthem ahead of the game. the 50 year old former ireland midfielder had indicated in advance that he wouldn't join in, but said he's respectful of the concept and those are the latest gb news headunes those are the latest gb news headlines for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> it's saturday night and you're still with the saturday five. thank you very much for your company. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in

for another very lively hour. i'm going to read out some of your emails before we get to our big guest, because i know some of you are desperate for me to read you out, brett says i agree too much anti—white racism in the uk. and charles says , the uk. and charles says, darren, ask your leftie. i assume that's andy. what happened to the best person for the job? tell him to listen to doctor martin luther king jr. now we're told about this, eric says. we're told about this new instruction to lawyers, but we're not told where it's come from. you know, where is this coming from? this dei stuff, some ngo, those behind such acts are never named and shamed. >> lots of this is that they have to join these league tables that have been championed by mermaids and stonewall and all of those people and then they get named and shamed in them if they're die. stats are not high enough. yeah, all of these organisations have been completely captured because it's come from the very top down from the un actually globalist. that's right . the un actually globalist. that's right. globalist. >> well, there's a whole industry behind it, isn't it?

>> david says what's happened to meritocracy? if i need surgery, i want the best surgeon. i'm not bothered about anything else. >> well, we still we do still have a meritocracy in this country. but the point of these initiatives and as i say, whether it's white working class or any demographic, it's about getting people who otherwise wouldn't have got got the opportunity in the first place into a position where they can lift themselves up. >> all right. now where, of course, thousands have actually taken to the streets across france today. you might not have seen this yet, and it's in protest to michel barnier, his appointment as prime minister from, of course, president emmanuel macron. it comes in the week when france's interior minister said that britain's black market economy was to blame for the deaths of 12 migrants who attempted to cross the channel. now to discuss this, i'm pleased to welcome someone who's been covering the barnier protest today, the french journalist and the paris correspondent for the telegraph,

anne—elisabeth moutet thank you very much, elizabeth, for your company , can i ask you, do you company, can i ask you, do you think actually that this was entirely foreseeable? could you see these protests occurring regardless of what happened? because, of course, the parliament itself in france is entirely split now because, well, certainly emmanuel macron's party, the what's it called, what's it re re re something they suffered quite badly at the ballot box. >> it changes name . >> it changes name. >> it changes name. >> the party has changed its name . name. >> and now it is also pour la republique, which is together for the republic, which is , it for the republic, which is, it was predictable because france unbowed , the hard left component unbowed, the hard left component of the left wing alliance , said of the left wing alliance, said no, we won the elections. anything that the president says and does that doesn't include picking our candidate for prime minister is denial of the of the

pubuc minister is denial of the of the public vote. now, what happened in those elections is essentially you have three blocks and the left wing block has got 193 mps, 79 of whom are france unbowed, who are the equivalent of the hard corbynistas in britain. and then you've got greens, you've got socialists, you've got a few communists who are much milder, and then you've got the marine le pen national rally, and they have 143 mps. and then you've got macron's crowd who have about 110 or 120. i forget the figure, depending on which allies they have. so no party has a majority. and it's not, you know, a few, a few votes every time. it's really more than 100 every time 200 for the macron esters. so you need to build coalitions in a country where they have not been doing this for the past 60 years. yes. and france on board had decided to spend the entire summer

promenading. there's no other word. a completely unknown, top civil servant at the paris city hall who said i will be the prime minister because they wanted her, but she was only she was only at the beginning the candidate of france on board. but the other parties on the left realised perfectly well that there will be more elections. there also will be municipal elections in france. and if they don't stay together, if they don't hang together, they will hang separately now. >> and elizabeth, i wonder , as >> and elizabeth, i wonder, as we mentioned there, the fact that of course, in france there have been remarks about the fact that, you know, there were those deaths in the channel and britain's black market economy was blamed by the interior minister, whose name i forget. i'm sure you'll remind me. but anne—elisabeth these problems in france, though, have not gone away either . right. they are away either. right. they are still very salient issues and national rally are the ones to profiteer off the back of inaction when it comes to border controls. >> they are but our border problems are not when they want

to leave our border problems are when they get in. and there have been many ways in which both the french, sort of coastguard, the french, sort of coastguard, the french border guards and who cannot exist in theory, but they are customs officers officially. and the european, patrol at the border of schengen, which is what is the schengen stops at the mediterranean coast of france. they've all been patrolling. they've been stopping boats . it's always been stopping boats. it's always been very, very difficult when the migrants, the migrants, in theory, if they come from a country that is outside schengen, they can ask for asylum in france. they're not interested. they want asylum in britain . and i'm not the person britain. and i'm not the person to necessarily hold a brief for gerald darmanin, the home secretary , who seemed to lose secretary, who seemed to lose his job. secretary, who seemed to lose hisjob. i mean, i think he's actually lost it . there will be actually lost it. there will be actually lost it. there will be a replacement soon. it's more a question that he says, look, britain is incredibly more attractive than we are. you give them more than we do, you you

enable them to work easily because you have no identity papers, you give them flats and you give them, care , care. and you give them, care, care. and the reason and they speak engush the reason and they speak english as the lingua franca practically everywhere. and they speak more english. and therefore you are bringing these people to france because they want to go to england . so the want to go to england. so the his theory, which is not entirely false, is it's your problem . yes. problem. yes. >> and anna elizabeth, just before i bring in the rest of the panel, the german context here, i know you're covering france, but the german context where they've said, actually, rwanda may be a good place to actually process applications for migrants. i'm wondering, do you think the french would ever have any truck with that? >> i think it's not the french way. i don't think we would like that. i'm not saying it was wrong. i actually thought it was a pretty clever thing to do. and i think giorgia meloni the italian premier, premier , has italian premier, premier, has made a similar deal in albania , made a similar deal in albania, which is much closer, of course,

to europe. but i don't see the french doing this, it's, it's not the frame of mind of french speaking africa as opposed to rwanda. rwanda originally was french speaking because of belgium, but it's a different way of looking at things. and i don't think it's a french way of looking at it. and the political internal hassle that we would get as sort of, you know, re trafficking people , etc, has trafficking people, etc, has been viewed by every government. so far as, as something that's not that's not within the french tradition. i don't want to judge this . this. >> renee. >> renee. >> hi. how big an issue is this for the french people? are they as angry as people seem to be in the uk in terms of migrants getting into france in general, we know perfectly well that hundreds of thousands of migrants get into france every yean migrants get into france every year, and there is a great deal of resentment. >> it is more diffuse because there's just one, not one point like you've got those dinghies full of people in terrible

shape. they either try to float from france to britain, egged on by horrible people traffickers, or they try to cross between morocco and spain because there's a straits of gibraltar there's a straits of gibraltar the way there's the channel at calais and boulogne . but we calais and boulogne. but we have, something like 3000 miles of land borders . so you also of land borders. so you also have people who, once they are inside the schengen space, they can they can in theory, they can go anywhere. there was a moment when so many migrants who came to italy from the south as well. same thing. you know, whenever your land, the end of your land is close to a place that's not schengen. people would would take boats from, from, from albania, they would take boats from tunisia. they would try and reach italy. and the question was was was sort of similar. but in france, once they get here, we, we, we when there were so many of these migrants coming in 2015, 2016, 2017, after angela merkel decision to welcome

migrants in germany, we had those customs patrols at the french—italian border. we have no border because the schengen between italy and france, but we had lots of customs officers asking people what it is that they were carrying. and by the way , give us, you know, show us way, give us, you know, show us yourid way, give us, you know, show us your id papers and that was when we were doing it. >> i mean, if i was french, i'd be calling for that schengen to be calling for that schengen to be gone, to be honest. >> alex. yeah. hi and, elizabeth, i wanted to ask what the french opinion or their perception of how britain is deaung perception of how britain is dealing with our migrant crisis is across the water. because i don't think many brits are aware of it. >> yeah. are they laughing at us? >> i didn't get quite the question. why would we be? especially laughing at you? >> well, in the context of, you know, they think, well, it's never going to be resolved, they're going to continue to come, you know, the french, we gave half £1 billion to france to stop the boats for example. >> you sent two. if i get this correctly, if we if it adds up, i mean, the last budget was for £478 million, and that's a lot

of money. it's been spent lots of money. it's been spent lots of reporters have seen it being spent. you've got now sort of equipment . you've got sand, sand equipment. you've got sand, sand buggies, you've got you've got projectors, you've got more gendarme than you used to. and that pays for patrolling there. we have weapons, but people are very . careful because the, the, very. careful because the, the, the people traffickers are armed and they have absolutely no qualms about shooting. and the french would, like, the gendarmes would like to avoid shooting migrants who are pawns in this game, we, we i mean, there's a great deal of done and it's just that it's like it's like basically catching water with a sieve, and it doesn't work very well. i don't think it makes us laugh. i mean, it's it makes us laugh. i mean, it's it makes some people very angry in the coastal cities because they're the ones where everybody can, can convene to try and get into, into, into england. and when they don't, they just say they hang around. and then the inhabitants of cities like calais and boulogne are very angry. you have to listen to

their mayors. they're not happy with this. >> all right. >> all right. >> anne, elizabeth, thank you very much for that insight. that's anna elizabeth for paris, correspondent for the telegraph. now, i want to bring this out to the panel. andy, from what you've heard there , do you feel you've heard there, do you feel that actually the uk is just a bit of a joke when it on this issue? >> well, i certainly think that the way that certain people in our government and in our commentariat in general, behave post brexit has done damage to our standing in france and i think it's damaged our relationship. and i'm hopeful and optimistic that the new government is repairing that. but the other thing i'd say is there's lots of criticism of this payment we've made to france, but actually that is a payment that is an investment in securing our borders just because it's paying for things in france doesn't mean that it's not stay in france because it comes through a safe country. >> i think , i think, i think it depends. >> and i think in an ideal world they would and obviously that is

down to a negotiation and rebuilding that relationship. and i think we've talked about other solutions today. but of that £500 million, it sounds like it's being spent and it sounds like it's being spent on the right things and maybe it's starting to have an effect. >> but i think also it shows that it's not working. right. so i think that's the key thing is that as they said that all we've got, all this equipment, but actually the boats just keep coming. so i think i mean i do believe keir starmer is thinking about scrapping this money to france. i read the other day in the telegraph, but still it's a massive waste of taxpayer money on top of rwanda. we've spent over a billion. then i think on rwanda was one of the biggest because he just knows that they're going to continue. >> but what i'm concerned about is i think there's going to be even more benefits for migrants under labour. i mean, only this week they would not confirm that this social housing will not go to migrants. i don't think there's any plans for labour to give more. >> there are no there are no plans for labour to give more benefits to . there are no plans benefits to. there are no plans for labour to give more benefits to migrants . to migrants. >> why did they there? >> why did they there? >> dan jarvis was on this channel last night. who is a minister in the labour

government, and he refused. tom harwood asked him a question and said where will you put the migrants once they're accepted 90% approval rate and they're not going in the bibby stockholm, they're not going in the raf scampton. yeah. yes, exactly. raf sites are up and down the country. therefore you've got to put them somewhere. it's not hotels. so where is it. and he refused to answer the question. we all know the answer to the question. well surely it's social housing. >> surely we should . surely, >> surely we should. surely, surely we should send them to whatever , wherever the most cost whatever, wherever the most cost effective solution is. there's been so much . there's been so much. >> let me ask you this. if you if you are a government minister, a&e, and you say there's a british family who needs a home and there's an illegal immigrant family that needs a home, who should get priority, it depends on the circumstances. but the circumstances, both the homeless. >> why does it really? >> why does it really? >> of course it does. why you dont? >> of course it does. why you don't? because you've just. we don't? because you've just. we don't know anything about these hypothetical families. this is. i'm so bored. no hypothetical . i'm so bored. no hypothetical. >> alex. >> alex. i'm >> alex. i'm saying >> alex. i'm saying i'm >> alex. i'm saying i'm the homelessness crisis in the country. >> we actually have british citizens living in hotels as well, who are all queuing now

for the social housing. reina got rid of the politics, but british people, what i will say just to end that is when if someone broke into my house, i wouldn't sit down with them and say tell me about your situation at home. >> i want to know if you're in a bad place, because if you are, help yourself. to my stuff. >> well that's fine, i think. obviously we're in a completely different position on this. i think that's that much is clear. >> i think that's absolutely clear now. still, to come tonight. agreement sending your questions to ask the five and we'll share our wisdom. but next does the house of lords need reforming labour have put plans in place for reforms of the house of lords, and i've just lost my autocue. but plans are in place to abolish the 92 remaining seats for hereditary peers. should they just get rid of it altogether? well, dame andrea jenkins and andy williams will battle it out in the saturday scrap. see that after the break? you with the saturday five live on

welcome back to the saturday five. boy oh boy, that last debate has got you stirring. as always, thank you stirring. as always, thank you very much for your comments in your say and about all of tonight's topics. but richard asks a question for you, andy. richard says , would you let one richard says, would you let one of the immigrants live with you if they're in dire straits ? if they're in dire straits? >> no, but that's not that's not what we're asking of people. what we're what we're trying to do is solve a problem with people coming to britain illegally and nobody's asking anybody to take in people who've come across the channel. >> wouldn't she? >> wouldn't she? >> no. >> no. >> well, well, well, they i think they took in refugees from ukraine, which is a different thing. >> yes. right. >> yes. right. >> okay. so would you take in what do you think yvette cooper should just to prove she's honest , take one in from afghanistan? >> no, i think it is a relevant question. i think when you're asking someone to give up their

place on a housing list for a migrant, that's equivalent. >> maybe downing street, maybe downing street can have some. who knows, right? >> remember to get your questions in for ask the five gbnews.com/yoursay is the link that you need. now though, it's time for tonight's main event. the government have set out plans to abolish the 92 remaining seats for hereditary peers in the house of lords. the plan was one of labour's manifesto promises in the election campaign, as they aim to complete reforms brought in by the last labour government. i won't mention his name . i know won't mention his name. i know how angry you get. so should hereditary peers be scrapped? or is this an assault on british tradition which paves the way for more to reform come? dame andrea jenkyns and andy williams are going to battle this one out. seconds out. my friends. ding ding. it's round one. take it away andrea. >> thank you darren. darren i love our country. i love our traditions. but we've seen how labour want to rewrite our history. we've seen trigger

notices on our literature. and i think removing hereditary peers, we are one step closer to removing our monarchy. now let's not forget that starmer once said he wants to abolish the monarchy, and the hereditary peers actually provide a necessary counterbalance to a highly politicised patronage system in the house of lords. they also exist to provide checks and balances and prevent abuses of power. so i think they are an essential part of our constitution. and i think it's wrong of labour. >> hereditary peers are an anachronism that should have been disposed with decades ago . been disposed with decades ago. tony blair and the labour government in 1997 got rid of the vast majority of them. they got rid of about 700 of the 800 that there were. then there are 92 left, by the way. every single one of them is a white man. and i think that's a problem because that is i do think that's a problem. why should they all be men ? why? and should they all be men? why? and i really, really do think in this, in this whole men. well, it's not a meritocracy if all 92

of them. i mean, that's just ludicrous to think that in a meritocracy, 92 out of 92 would be men. do you really think a meritocracy, a meritocracy, would not produce that situation? you know that because the house of commons is much more representative, these days. what we have is a system where, let's say, all 92 hereditary peers today were absolutely superb at their jobs. and i know superb at theirjobs. and i know that some of them do brilliant work. let's say that tomorrow or they all die and all of their children replace them. they could be rubbish. not take the job seriously. it is totally ludicrous to have a system where almost 100 people in our second chamber of parliament are there, purely by virtue of their birth. thatis purely by virtue of their birth. that is not a meritocracy. so if you believe in meritocracy, you cannot have this system. >> this is about labour hatred and our traditions and trying to aboush and our traditions and trying to abolish all of our traditions. we've seen it time and time again and even labour councils, they don't even want to talk about christmas anymore. and so i think we are seriously one step closer to losing our monarchy. and i think this is far broader if we let this

happen. it's a slippery slope. no. >> if you if you look at what labour think about, >> if you if you look at what labour think about , there are a labour think about, there are a handful of labour mps on the hard left of the labour party, by the way. none of them are in government. none of them hold ministerial positions. there are people on the hard left who do think that jeremy corbyn was one of them. there's a reason he didn't win a general election and was deeply unpopular with most people. keir starmer's instincts and i know he's made comments in the past, when he was in his 20s about the monarchy. his instincts are to not touch the monarchy. keir starmer on on these sorts of issues, actually is quite conservative. he really is. he is starmer. >> how can you trust what he says? all right. >> okay. there's a lot of comments coming through about the house of lords, none of them especially positive. and i think to be honest, i'm in that position as well. because i tell you what, here's a hypothetical for you. in the not too distant future, the house of lords will be voting on a piece of legislation passed by sir keir starmer, and that is the removal of the winter fuel payment on the budget for pensioners . the budget for pensioners. meanwhile, the pensioners within the house of lords , they get the

the house of lords, they get the central heating, they get their subsidised meals, they get a whole host of things, £300 a day for turning up there and they're going to vote to get rid of winter. who says they are pensioners? of course they will. well, i don't know. they're all in there because they're cronies. they'll get every little crumb they there's more conservative peers than labour peers. >> there are. but there are a lot of crossbenchers. >> i'm reliably told that that may not happen when it goes to the house of lords, i really am. but look, i was with you. i said this to you and i was completely i thought we should abolish the lot of them, get rid of them. but actually, i was convinced that they're a good way, not necessarily the hereditary side of things. and we could perhaps make those life peers. but that £300 a day, they get, they don't get anywhere to live. they have to travel down. they don't have houses here. they have to then find somewhere to stay. so it's actually just paying for that. they don't get a salary, so there's no pensions. there's no other perks that you would get if you had an elected house of lords. they actually do oppose the government. quite often, which is why the tories couldn't get their plans through so often. so they're quite a good check and balance to the house

of lords. if they're elected. >> renee you know what? they checked and balanced the will of the british people in their for vote brexit. they did all they could to frustrate that vote. so i think that that is a sign that they are completely removed from they are completely removed from the public, that they are there to serve. >> well, perhaps if the bishops weren't there, they may not be. so. >> oh no, i'd rather keep the bishops and the labour peers. >> i think about hereditary peers . right. >> i think about hereditary peers. right. is that >> i think about hereditary peers . right. is that they, they peers. right. is that they, they they are some of the hardest working peers in the house of lords. in fact, most of them do show up. that is compared to many, many lords. alan sugar, i'm going to call him out who does not show up, but then he doesn't get paid. no, no . true, doesn't get paid. no, no. true, true. but he is still a lord and he is. he's included in this figure that the government wants to get down. you could suggest we get it down to 650 lords, and then you could have two out, one in. there is better ways to do this than to just say, okay, tomorrow we're going to get rid of all these hereditary peers. i'd also note that labour are going to put in a rule that says, once you hit 80, you're out of the law. >> well, that's going to be challenged legally as discrimination and it won't happen. >> let's see. but that would then put, hodge and dame hodge

and dame beckett out of a job who've just got in, who are both 79 and 81. right. so we've got to have some common sense when we're talking about he said he was going to. >> yeah, of course he said he was going to ban them. >> he did. and they've just been put in and they might make very good lords for labour. right. so we've got to have some really sensible conversations about what the lords is, what we want. i don't think we've had an actual a conversation in britain about what we want out of the lords. it's very old and it does need a little bit of reform, but i think just to get rid of these hereditary peers. so you work harder than people who don't even i'd rather have the hereditary peers there than i would cronies for political parties. >> me too. yeah, yeah. >> me too. yeah, yeah. >> but the thing is, as well, if it goes to a voted house, the problem with that is people a are lazy and probably won't go out and vote. and second, they'll vote along party lines. so you'll end up with a labour majority in the house of parliament and then a labour majority in the house of lords, and there's no checks and balances. it just will be. >> that's why we need the hereditary peers, you know. >> well , i'm hereditary peers, you know. >> well, i'm opposed to the house of lords until they put me in it . in it. >> still ahead, send your questions , dilemmas and queries questions, dilemmas and queries

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gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your emails about tonight's topics. a lot of you are saying , darren, don't laugh are saying, darren, don't laugh about being in the house of lords. lord darren grimes has a nice ring to it. i've changed my mind. i take it all back, and, well, a lot of people are asking us what our favourite biscuit is to have with a cuppa, but we are going to discuss that imminently because it's time for this . yes,

because it's time for this. yes, indeedy, it's the bunch of five are five round. alex, what have you got? >> right . so should you be >> right. so should you be allowed to paint your house any colour you like? or should your local community have a say ? this local community have a say? this picturesque little village called cross in somerset has had a beautiful house painted neon pink, so i'm asking the panel, should you be allowed to paint your house ghastly colours? >> yes, i think so, absolutely. i think we should . i think we should. >> yeah. i mean, to me, otherwise we're a controlling society and we're complaining about starmer. and do we really want them to tell us what colour to paint our. >> have you seen what they've done to this house? i mean that's not it. >> it's not quite it but that's not it. it's not the bright pink. >> no. this is the orange one. >> no. this is the orange one. >> it's neon pink. it's way more ghastly than the one you're seeing on screen. it's neon pink. >> it says bright orange there. that one is the orange. oh that's it. >> i live in a conservation area where we're not allowed to paint. we're not allowed to paint. we're not allowed to paint our front doors or our windows anything but blue, black or white. >> i think there's something beautiful about it. >> i have to say, the area i live in is beautiful. >> yes, british quirkiness to be

honest, i do like beauty. >> aesthetic. >> aesthetic. >> if i had to walk past this neon pink house every day, i don't think i'd have an area. >> this is going to shock you. >> this is going to shock you. >> i lived on a street in brighton that was multicoloured. oh, yeah. >> what i loved, what i loved about this story was one of the neighbours said they shouldn't be allowed to sell paint that colour . colour. >> well, there's no accounting for taste . for taste. >> andrea, what have you got. >> andrea, what have you got. >> thank you . darren. so what >> thank you. darren. so what i've got is actually labour are expected to raise fuel duty from october, which will see our drivers pay more at the pump and will mean diesel drivers must pay will mean diesel drivers must pay an extra £260 per year. now, this is actually a short sighted move as it will impact everybody and not just drivers . it will and not just drivers. it will affect the price of our food in the supermarkets to the delivery of social care in the communities. now labour are truly tone deaf to the plight of the british people who are struggling. >> agreed , disagreed. >> agreed, disagreed. >> agreed, disagreed. >> fuel duty, fuel duty has been frozen for i can't remember how many years , year after year

many years, year after year after year i know and i completely disagree with you, but we at some point we have to say sorry, we can't protect you from every single aspect of inflation. actually, you know, we should be discouraging people from using cars. they clog up, they clog up, they clog up, up. well, no, but you could have, but you could have . i understand but you could have. i understand that you could have it. you could have an exemption for you could have an exemption for you could you could have an exemption for businesses and for delivery drivers. but for the ordinary motorist. i'm sorry. it's time you pay a bit more for your petrol. >> again, you're discriminating against women because it's women who do have a choice of childcare. >> no, i don't well, there you go. >> but it's because women do. >> but it's because women do. >> the majority of childcare, consistent kids. you need to put them in cars to take them to different places. i couldn't actually get to my job and to school without my car. so you're discriminating against women, but no. >> well, absolutely not, and nobody's trying to ban your car. we're just saying that maybe after a decade or more of fuel duty freezes, it's time for a bit of ice to go up my energy bills. >> cost of living. your energy bills are not. >> food prices are going to go

up. your energy bills, energy bills, everything is going to go up. that's what that's the message labour is sending to the voters. everything's going up. >> i want to talk to you then about a man having lunch. apparently he's not allowed to. this is our colleague. well, mine, nigel farage. and he's there having lunch at what is a fancy restaurant. it's his money. and do what he wants with it. fair play to him. nice bit of nosh and he's been criticised by richard of, formerly of sky news. if sky sports rather if everyone remembers. and there he is in mayfair satin having his lunch with a friend and he's criticised for it for not being in parliament. you're having a giraffe. two minutes ago they were talking about the fact that angela rayner needed some time off, so it was fine for her to go off, so it was fine for her to 9° party off, so it was fine for her to go party away in ibiza. but nigel farage can't take two seconds to have lunch. i mean, should he not breathe next? >> well, they would like away from parliament. >> also, let's not forget rayner was spotted having a very fancy lunch. not that, not that many years ago. and? and she got no

abuse. so the left said, oh, she's allowed to have a fancy lunch. but now, when it comes to nigel farage, he's not. >> but also don't forget, this is richard kay. this is richard kay who left his pregnant wife for a younger woman. did you know this is not a man who's got great moral standing? >> it was his daughter's friend as well . yes it was. yeah. gosh. as well. yes it was. yeah. gosh. yeah you know, there's always a constant style on on on nigel, by the mainstream media. >> i think richard , if across >> i think richard, if across the board politically if you, if you want to go to a fancy restaurant, if you're an mp and you want to go to a fancy restaurant in your spare time, crack on, that's absolutely fine. and by the way, he's got nigel farage to the i certainly wouldn't. and in fact, no, i'd unchain him from the house of commons. and in fact, he's got good taste because scots is lovely. it's lovely. >> it is lovely. all right. >> it is lovely. all right. >> well, hey, the panel of poshos. i've never been right . poshos. i've never been right. renee. what have you got? >> okay, i love camilla. >> okay, i love camilla. >> i think she was given lots of hate over the years and she's really, really endeared herself to the british public. however, this week she had a bit of a mare and she ended up on a windy day in summer in the uk looking like wolverine. unfortunately i

don't know if we've got a picture coming up of this. >> well, we've got a picture of what i tweeted as well. >> oh, that's the hair tastic. >> oh, that's the hair tastic. >> that's the hair i got into trouble renee of over this photo because i made a joke. >> you say wolverine, i actually said pictured donald trump on the campaign trail and it was just a joke. i love donald trump. i love her majesty the queen, but a lot of people were very upset with me for making a joke about those two individuals. >> i think it's a beautiful picture , actually. absolutely fantastic. >> you know, i think the queen would laugh at that. she's got a real sense of humour. of course she would. >> i mean, i think it shows that she's human, doesn't it? >> well, it does, but apparently no one can take a joke these days. look, we've all had bad hair days. >> i'm having one. >> i'm having one. >> absolutely. i think she looks fabulous. do you? yeah, i do yours like that. oh, if i grow it out a bit, i'll give it a go and bring you a trump wig next time. and a fan behind me, i'll wear it. >> yeah, and she's at an raf base, god bless her. right. so

it is going to be probably a helicopter. yeah, exactly. you're right. but i should think she's gone into the role really well as well . yeah. she really well as well. yeah. she really has. you know it wasn't a criticism. calm down. not everything is an attack on people. we're just having a carry on. it's still allowed just about . sir keir starmer just about. sir keir starmer hasn't banned it just yet. give it time. but calm down. right, andy, what have you got ? andy, what have you got? >> well, we're a nation of tea drinkers, aren't we? or at least most of us are . i drink coffee, most of us are. i drink coffee, but we are a nation of tea drinkers and 79 experienced and committed tea drinkers have got together for a blind taste test together for a blind taste test to determine what truly is britain's best tea bag . and it britain's best tea bag. and it turns out that you don't have to pay turns out that you don't have to pay over the odds for your tea , pay over the odds for your tea, because asda and its own brand tea is britain's best tea , tea is britain's best tea, according to the panel. >> because people are scared of starmer. >> oh, right. yeah those two months you listen . months you listen. >> yorkshire tea is by far the

best tea. >> i'm going to agree with you. i'm a yorkshire girl and i love tea. >> well, i'm a yorkshire lass and i don't drink tea or coffee. >> i'm from the north east, so i dnnk >> i'm from the north east, so i drink ringtons, which is. yeah, yeah. do you remember the marshmallows? yes. yeah. yeah, yeah. marshmallows? yes. yeah. yeah, yeah . and they used to come yeah. and they used to come round to tea cakes as well. yeah. well in london we drink yorkshire. >> that's right, that's right. >> that's right, that's right. >> so yorkshire came third but you can't top an asda brew apparently. >> so there you go. >> so there you go. >> it's probably yorkshire as the branding probably. yeah. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so one of our questions wendy said what are the five thing is the best biscuit to have with their cuppa and do you dunk digestives dunk every time . digestives dunk every time. >> absolutely agree with renee. >> absolutely agree with renee. >> there is no way that you've had a digestive biscuit. you've got the body of a goddess . got the body of a goddess. >> i'm a bourbon girl. >> i'm a bourbon girl. >> you're a bourbon girl. >> you're a bourbon girl. >> oh no, they should be illegal. >> oh no, i love that . >> oh no, i love that. >> do you know what? i don't think there's a bad biscuit, is there? is there a bad biscuit? yes >> jammy dodgers. no they're brilliant jam. >> i love jamie johnson as well. >> i love jamie johnson as well. >> white digestive. white chocolate digestive. surely not white chocolate. that's taking it. they exist and it's going too far . too far. >> it's going too far.

>> it's going too far. >> it's going too far. >> it'sjust >> it's going too far. >> it's just because it's white a&e that you've got. >> oh, i was going to say that you line yourself up for that one. >> i did, yeah. >> i did, yeah. >> the chocolate bar. >> the chocolate bar. >> it's so it's an old biscuit that you absolutely hate. i'll tell you what. >> fig rolls. >> fig rolls. >> oh yes . >> oh yes. >> oh yes. >> i would still dump on garibaldis. >> oh i draw the line there do |, >> oh i draw the line there do i, i don't know what about a dark chocolate ginger biscuit? >> i think that's lovely with ginger. >> what is a dark chocolate ginger . >> what is a dark chocolate ginger. yeah. >> like a ginger biscuit with dark chocolate around it . dark chocolate around it. >> socialism over there, isn't it? >> i recommend it, yes. >> i recommend it, yes. >> well, more emails coming in thick and fast that aren't tea related. and jonathan has a . related. and jonathan has a. good point on the fact that the hereditary peers in the house of lords that we were discussing earlier are the only democratically elected members of that chamber. that's true. riposted with elected included in the sentence to help it make sense. so thank you, jonathan, because, yeah. well, i think that's correct, to be honest. >> good point. it's a good point. >> so keep that token.

>> so keep that token. >> keep him keep him in. >> keep him keep him in. >> keep him in there happy. everyone's happy. keep them all. >> but then gerald says scrap the lords. it's a hive of con people who are there for the cash and the contacts they make to further their nest. >> there's some great lords, though. >> there's some brilliant lords. they do such good work. some of them, and i get some of them are very political, but they understand how parliament works and they're sometimes best placed to challenge the government. and, you know, i don't agree at all. i think we should keep the laws, we should reduce the numbers, but we should keep lords. should keep the lords. >> i agree. >> i agree. >> so how does someone who's made a donation say to her, i disagree with that. >> how do they know the undertakings? >> no, no, i mean the people who have been in politics who then get elevated to the lords, they've got a lot of scientists . they've got a lot of scientists. >> we've got business people. >> we've got business people. >> i value my friends in the lords. and she's just messaged me saying that most of the hereditary peers actually go through hustings. yeah, the ones who are appointed don't . yeah who are appointed don't. yeah i think that's a valid point. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. they have to just because your daddy died doesn't mean you're going into the law. >> i think the public should worry more about who's sitting in the house of commons by the way. yeah, worry more about who your mps are than who is sitting

in the house of lords, because the house of lords have got no real power at the end of the day, it comes down to your parliamentary mps, and that's the ones you should be concerned about the most. >> well, i think a bit of harmony's broken out here because i agree. i think all of the i think many of these appointed peers bring a, bring a lot to the table. the key thing is making sure that the people who appoint them, who haven't always made brilliant choices in this respect, where there are proper parameters and that it's transparent. >> all right. still ahead, folks , >> all right. still ahead, folks, we're going to answer all of your questions in ask the five. no topics are off limits. i wonder what have in store for this week. you're with the saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five, the program where we bring you all the breaking news, like nigel farage having lunch . all nigel farage having lunch. all the best news. as always though, thank you very much for all of your emails and messages about tonight's topics. speaking of which, though , it's time for

which, though, it's time for this . all right, let's see what this. all right, let's see what horrors you've unleashed for us this week . another says, which this week. another says, which is an anonymous account. by the way, i wasn't just being silly. what about mps fuel allowance? why are they allowed that? i assume that's in the context of the stripping away of the winter fuel payment for certain pensioners . andrea, can you pensioners. andrea, can you explain what the actual what what do they get mps well, you get i mean, you get the choice of coming down on train from yorkshire or where else . yorkshire or where else. >> i mean, some of the snp fly down from scotland or you can drive down. >> okay, so do you get money for your heating as well? >> in the, in the, in the, in the london home. yes. okay. i mean that for me is what sticks in the craw that mps are withdrawing this from pensioners who can't afford their heating, but they can still claim for theirs. >> quite so. >> quite so. >> do you think they should give hers up, andrea?

>> you'll have to ask her. >> you'll have to ask her. >> i think she should. i think they should all get. i think the whole labour party should give up their winter fuel allowance. if they're going to vote against it for the rest of the country, then they should also be be suffer the consequences of their actions . actions. >> i mean, just to actually pay the energy bill for number 10, i doubt it. >> oh, you know, because it's actually a civil service building. >> yes it is. yeah. >> and it's an for office for, over 100 people. so why should andy though. >> well it's not a civil service office when mrs. starmer is up there. >> but you are paying but you are paying though you are paying fuel and all the bills in your own home. >> so this is a second home just for work, though, isn't it? civil servants get paid when they've got to. >> i know, but the pensioners are paying all their fuel and everything in there. >> so you pay it on two homes. otherwise aren't you? >> well, andy, i'm not. i must say. you know, there are a lot of people who've written in about that particular issue, and they do point out that that is one point caveat that sticks in the craw when actually mps aren't going to give theirs up, but they are going to say to certain pensioners, no can do. >> sorry, but we're talking

about two different things. one is a business expense, a work expense, which you should have because you're having to work in london when you otherwise wouldn't be there. and the other is a payment that was a universal benefit for pensioners. and my argument is not we should take it away from everyone. my argument is that there are many people who don't needit there are many people who don't need it , and i there are many people who don't need it, and i think it was a waste of public money. >> do we means test the mps and see who needs it then? >> yes, actually, there you go. >> yes, actually, there you go. >> yeah. solutions in the room, guys. there we go . guys. there we go. >> we should get a government. >> we should get a government. >> working class. mps are going to get extraordinary salaries. >> i don't think any of them will meet the means test. >> yeah, absolutely . >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> i'll get me cell in there. >> i'll get me cell in there. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> does anyone actually agree with andy on that point ? with andy on that point? >> no, no, ijust with andy on that point? >> no, no, i just i think if you're going to impose rules on the rest of the country, you should also forego those extra benefits. the public demand equality of their politicians if the burden is it's not about benefits , actually, because the benefits, actually, because the fact is i wouldn't come to london, you know, besides coming on the show, of course, but i

wouldn't come to london and rent a place if i wasn't there , then. a place if i wasn't there, then. >> exactly. okay. >> exactly. okay. >> no offence, no offence, but you shouldn't take the job if you're not prepared to afford to pay you're not prepared to afford to pay for two homes also. >> also, we're being told that the burden has to fall on the shoulders for two homes, but the burden has to fall on the broadest shoulders. >> we're being told that's got to be mps over pensioners. >> okay, the gp salary, could you afford to pay two homes? maybe you can. on gp salary. it's more than an mps. >> but is it gp practice? have you worked in. really. >> yeah, but paying for two homes. >> we don't want mps and doctors fighting. we certainly want them on the same side. >> there's a very important question that's just come in charlie who's a member of gb news. thank you charlie says should wearing socks with sandals be outlawed? >> yes, yes. »- >> yes, yes. >> hands up for yes. >> hands up for yes. >> i think it depends. if your feet are outlaw it because then you are outlawing liberal democrats >> that's a really great idea. >> that's a really great idea. >> lib dems don't wear socks with their sandals. that's the difference. >> no, they don't know. they do. they do. >> they know what the lib dems i

know they've they've got ugly feet with bunions on. please wear socks. >> so what you're saying is like andy would say, it depends on the circumstance . exactly. the circumstance. exactly. >> it's complicated. >> it's complicated. >> test it. >> test it. >> we should means test. >> we should means test. >> i haven't got a feet fetish. that's the thing. yeah >> very briefly. what's your favourite country in the commonwealth? oh, that's from ross. >> oh, that's a really hard one. >> oh, that's a really hard one. >> uk , i well yeah. apart from >> uk, i well yeah. apart from the uk, i take the uk out of it. >> you know canada maybe guess. >> oh no . >> oh no. >> oh no. >> authoritarian not the government. come on. the country. >> they're far. >> they're far. >> they're far too earnest. >> they're far too earnest. >> no . australia australia, >> no. australia australia, australia, australia are fun. you can't , you can't turn your you can't, you can't turn your nose up to justin trudeau and applaud what's going on over in australia. >> there's a coalition government are on the way out there. >> yeah, well that's true. >> yeah, well that's true. >> well, it's not a coalition. it's the labour party. >> but they're always on their way out there. they're having an election about every three weeks don't they. >> well that's true three years. every three years. >> fryston i couldn't deal with it, >> it gives me palpitations with one election, knowing that that man was going to get elected. but of course, i am an impartial broadcaster and i there was no

certainty in that election whatsoever. no. well who is there any outliers that aren't canada or australia? >> no, no. >> no, no. >> okay , well, on that note, >> okay, well, on that note, thank you very much for your questions. we have enjoyed answering them. there were a fair few actually to get through. so thank you for your participation and thank you to our guests tonight. up next though, it's the brilliant leo kearse with the saturday night showdown. thank you very much for watching . and well we're for watching. and well we're going to see you again next week. hopefully a lot of people are asking you to come back every week. so there we are the dame. everyone wants the dame. i was about to say. that's why the ladies call me a pantomime dame. oh did they? >> well there we are. >> well there we are. >> all right, we'll see you again next week, folks. thank you for your company. >> that warm feeling inside from

boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. it's turning increasingly unsettled across the uk, particularly england and wales. we see some heavy rain, some thunderstorms, the risk of some localised flooding. this area of low pressure will bring weather systems across much of england and wales. some brisk winds at times too, but it does pull away and then we start to see some colder air filtering in from the northwest as we move through next week. but this evening and overnight into sunday, heavy rain developing and pushing north across england and wales. there could be some disruption overnight and first thing sunday morning. met office warning for the rain and we could see 30 to 50mm, perhaps locally more than this. further north it's drier. temperatures generally staying in double figures, so an unsettled start to sunday. outbreaks of heavy rain to resume in across england and wales. we can see outbreaks of heavy rain pushing north and

eastward , some drier spells eastward, some drier spells coming in behind it but quickly followed by heavy showers. the rain extending into northern england to northern ireland. parts of scotland generally dnen parts of scotland generally drier. the best of the sunshine first thing across central and western parts of scotland, though still low cloud affecting northern and eastern areas. temperatures around the low to mid teens to start the day through the day. this area of low pressure will just continue to give outbreaks of rain through england and wales, which could be heavy at times to be surface spray on the roads. some localised flooding thunderstorms developing where the sun comes out across eastern and southeastern england for the afternoon, cooler and cloudier for northern ireland and scotland compared to recent days. temperatures here 17 to 21, perhaps 22 or 23 and feeling still quite humid in the southeast in any sunshine for monday , that weather system monday, that weather system starts to pull away. it turns dner starts to pull away. it turns drier and brighter from the west through the day. sunny spells, but the wind starting to come in from the northwest, starting to

feel cooler, and that colder air filtering further south as we head towards the middle of the week. with temperatures below average for the time of year. see you soon. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> hello there. coming up in the saturday night showdown, tony blair has reappeared once again , blair has reappeared once again, wading into the debate on misinformation on social media. but after he went to war on a dodgy dossier, is he not the worst person on earth to be talking about dodgy data? plus, in germany , the right is on the in germany, the right is on the rise as the country deals with regular terror attacks. this week there's a shootout with an islamist near the israeli consulate in munich. still, i'm sure it'll work out fine. nothing bad could possibly happen with populist far right parties in germany, right? this

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