gb. news >> it's 9 pm. on patrick christys tonight. >> what is the solution to liberate people in the concentration camps of palestine? jihad. what is the solution? >> allah . jihad jihad. >> allah. jihad jihad. >> allah. jihad jihad. >> shocking revelations as the police admit to two tier justice in britain . in britain. >> and last year, the prime minister was apparently drawing up plans to remove the winter fuel allowance from pensioners. we're going to have to be unpopular. popular decisions aren't tough. they're easy. >> labour's own report suggests 4000 old people could die if starmer cuts winter fuel payments. but does he care? plus

if you lead the way. >> as the summer comes to an end, i cannot tell you what a relief it is to have finally completed my chemotherapy treatment. >> princess catherine gives a positive if slightly concerning, health update and. bop bop bop bop bop bop . 2000 violent thug bop bop bop. 2000 violent thug sex offenders, maybe even terrorists, could be released tomorrow onto the streets of lawless britain also. >> let's start with the islamist militant group that carried out this attack. >> who are hamas? >> who are hamas? >> but more than a thousand people have now been killed in israel and gaza after a massive attack by hamas militants that began at dawn. >> the bbc breached its own guidelines 1500 times over the israel—hamas conflict. is it institutionally anti—israel? and starmer smashed the gangs promises in tatters as the national crime agency crumbles. on my panel tonight, it's

express columnist carole malone. we've also got journalist benjamin butterworth and ex tory chairman sirjake berry. oh, and what's the story behind this clip? doubt it. doubt it. >> doubt it. quick, quick. >> doubt it. quick, quick. >> get ready. britain. here we go . go. the police admit going soft on jihad. next . jihad. next. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines. just after 9:00. the chancellor has warned about difficult decisions to come on tax and spending cuts during a meeting with labour mps. rachel reeves also told mps that she is not immune to concerns over winter fuel allowance plans. earlier,

downing street said sir keir starmer's cabinet is united behind plans to cut winter fuel payments for millions of pensioners. it comes as two of the biggest unions have put further pressure on the government to soften its policy. mps will vote tomorrow on the plans to scrap the payments. now the princess of wales has finished her chemotherapy treatment and said her focus is to stay cancer free. she made the announcement in a heartfelt family video showing her spending private time with prince william and her children. princess catherine revealed in march that she was undergoing cancer treatment and has been out of public view since then. she is set to carry out a few engagements this year, which could include remembrance events in november and her annual christmas carol concert. now, in other news, a man who raped and stabbed joanne tulip, 60 times in a sadistic murder in northumberland 27 years ago should be freed from prison. that's according to the parole

board. stephen ling was jailed for life in december 1998 after admitting his horrific attack on joanne, who was 29 years old. ling was sentenced to life with a minimum term of 20 years, which was reduced to 18 years by the high court. transport secretary louise haigh said her thoughts are with joanne's family first and foremost. >> all my thoughts are with joanne tulip's family and everyone who loved her. this is an appalling situation for them to have lived through and now be worrying about. i know the justice secretary is considering whether that decision can be appealed and whether it can be reconsidered, whether she can request for the parole board to reconsider it. but it is an independent parole board. >> meanwhile, victims of domestic abuse are facing sleepless nights ahead of labour's early prison release scheme. that's according to the domestic abuse commissioner. speaking to the sunday times, nicole jacobs warned that some victims may not be aware that

their attackers could soon be free. up to 1750 offenders will be released tomorrow under the ministry of justice's emergency plan to ease the overcrowding crisis in jails. and some breaking news disgraced film producer harvey weinstein is in hospital in new york for emergency heart surgery after experiencing chest pain. that's according to us media. the 72 year old was convicted of rape and sexual assault in 2020, in new york and jailed for 23 years. those convictions were overturned this april, when an appealjudge overturned this april, when an appeal judge ruled he did not receive a fair trial. he has, however, remained in jail because of another rape conviction in 2022. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts .

>> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> well, the cat's out of the bag. police have confirmed that there is two tier justice and keir starmer stands accused of being responsible for it. they've also admitted that they should have nicked people shouting jihad and they didn't. people a bit like this. >> the only solution is jihad by the armies of the muslim country , the armies of the muslim country, not by you and me, who we are training to our hearts. there are people with arms in egypt, in pakistan, in saudi arabia, in jordan , across the muslim world. jordan, across the muslim world. >> we were told that there are many contexts in which jihad can be shouted. and there were people like this as well, who appear to be waving what is apparently an islamist jihad flag . la la la la la lala lala

flag. la la la la la lala lala. lala lala lala lala la la la la. so the assistant commissioner at the met, matt twist, said on occasion, we did not move quickly to make arrests. for example, the man chanting for jihad , which was a decision made jihad, which was a decision made following fast time advice from lawyers and the crown prosecution service. but here is the killer line, sir keir starmer when it comes to two tier britain. okay so the new head of the police superintendents association, nick smart, said we looked at how quickly offenders were brought to justice over the riots and it is not lost on the police service or anybody else within the criminal justice system. how swift and effective that was and we would like to see that for all victims. it is a massive frustration for the police that they are not. so that for me is an admittance of two tier justice. and where did that come from for 400 people now have been arrested, 100 have

been charged. >> some in relation to online activity and a number of them are already in court. and i'm now expecting substantive sentencing before the end of this week. that should send a very powerful message to anybody involved, either directly or online, that it came from the prime minister, didn't it? >> and the home office. but it also comes from the police. okay. so do you remember when then prime minister rishi sunak stood on the steps of downing street and said this to the police about the pro—palestine protests? >> this week i've met with senior police officers and made clear it is the public's expectation that they will not merely manage these protests, but police them. and i say this to the police we will back you when you take action. >> they did nothing. they didn't take action. and one word, though, one word from a labour

prime minister on the riots. and we've got arrests on demand. we've got people in court and sent to prison within a few days. now, here's the cost of appeasing the pro—palestine mob, because £42.9 million has apparently been spent policing the protest in london alone between october and june, 51,799 police officer shifts deployed and diverted from covering issues like knife crime , issues like knife crime, violence against women and girls and anti—social behaviour. and today, really, given what those two police officers have said, okay, they reveal what i think. many of us already knew police were too slow to police actual jihad on the streets, and anyone associated with the so—called far right was hammered harder and quicker than anyone else. let's get the thoughts of my panel this evening. daily express columnist carole malone we've got journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth and the former chairman of the tory party sir jake and the former chairman of the tory party sirjake berry. tory party sir jake berry. carol, it's quite an extraordinary intervention, i think today from from two

different leading police officers confirming what many people already knew. i mean, firstly, they said there were too soft on people chanting for jihad. it's almost like it doesn't have multiple different constantly. >> true. you know what we saw after southport was a particular kind of justice. and what we saw, what we've seen with the pro—palestinian riots is that, you know , the colour of your you know, the colour of your skin matters, your religion matters, your political persuasion matters. and that is a shocking that is a shocking state of affairs for our cops. and the cops also said in this, this matt white guy said today, he said, you know, we are neutral on the protest. the cause of the protest. well, no, they're not neutral in the cause of the protest. they weren't neutral with black lives matter. they actually knelt in front of black lives matter. they weren't neutral on the protests where they tore the edward colston statue down. and that was also black lives matter. in fact, copper, they're one of the police chiefs said. we have some sympathy with their cause, with the slavery cause, with them protesting about it. so they weren't neutral there either. they certainly weren't neutral on the just stop oil rioters moving away from palestine for a

second. you know, they were giving tea and water and biscuits to people who might have got a bit hot in the sun because they were protesting and blocking everything we do for you. yes. can we help you while you're in the road? so they're not neutral. you can tell the causes that they care about in a spouse and the people that came down on southport, quite rightly jailed them, but jail all the rest as well. if you're shouting for jihad in the streets, we all forjihad in the streets, we all know what that means. it means armed struggle. you're calling for armed struggle? >> well, there you go, benjamin. the police there were massively frustrated. that's the quote, massively frustrated that not all criminals are treated with the same speed and efficiency as the same speed and efficiency as the rioters. well, that came from keir starmer. didn't it? >> i think, you know, i have a degree of sympathy, which is to say that the reality of trying to arrest all these people in the moment when the scale of it is difficult to handle, could make things worse, rather than better at that point in time. and so what the police kept saying was, we are using camera footage and other information like that, and we'll follow these people up. but quite evidently not many of these people were followed up and that wasn't off putting enough to

stop it happening. last saturday there was a massive protest on there was a massive protest on the palestine issue, and it was . the palestine issue, and it was. i live in central london, so it happened near my flat as i walked out on a saturday afternoon, and every single lamppost had a poster on it which said from the river to the sea, palestine will be free. now that has been accepted to be anti—semitic. and so i went down each lamppost and i pulled every single one of them down on my walk. and then i went to the police officers that were stood there. >> let me guess, they arrested you? well, they were a bit caught with me, but i said, i said, curt, pardon me? >> i said, i said, how how are these all up? i've just pulled them down. but it continues for ages. and unless kasper put those up, why didn't you say anything when people were putting anti—semitic posters up? and i think that was prime example. and this has been going on for months now. >> it's been going on for months. you know, rishi sunak there, we played that clip and that was what was, after a few weeks of this nonsense going on, and he says, look, you know, the pubuc and he says, look, you know, the public expects the police to do

something about this. and they do, you know, some of the other figures that came out today were the percentages of people who completely changed their life plans and damaged the economy, by the way, by not wanting to go to the shops on a saturday or doing this because of this stuff, he said that to the police, we will back you if you take action. the police didn't do anything. one word from a labour prime minister and you've got, you know, the police nicking people with the rioters. you've got a justice system fast tracking people through it. is there a left wing bias when it comes to the police and our justice system? >> oh yes. there is, isn't there? and over the summer here on gb news, we were talking about two tier care and the two tier approach to policing. we were able conspiracy theorists. it was, oh, this doesn't exist. now. the police have come out themselves and admitted that there is a two tier approach to justice, which all of the viewers to gb news and right minded people in this country, they know you have people shouting, you know, from, you know, about jihad and, you know, from london to gaza. we want to see intifada. the police did absolutely nothing, as far as i can tell . well, there was they

can tell. well, there was they lost control of the streets. there was half a million people going onto the streets chanting terrorism chants. and, you know, it's all very well. i sort of understand, sort of appreciate what you say about the arrest people when they get the opportunity to do so, but the fact that they didn't intervene because it was a bit difficult and they might upset some of the other rioters, is completely wrong. >> police chief did cite that as an example. he said, we have to think about the safety of our officers. well, if you apply that kind of logic for every protest, no protest is ever going to be taken on. >> getting involved in any crime is a risk. >> if a cop was frightened to get involved in a crime, they shouldn't be caught. and i just think, i think the police chiefs, i feel sorry for the cops on the ground because they're told to do one thing by their chiefs, and the chiefs are excused. >> it's not the police nonsense. they have the same chiefs. >> this is the thing. they had the same police chiefs when we had a tory government, as we did when we have a labour government, we had the same judges really, for the most part, and same judicial system as when we had a tory government, as when we've got a labour government. and benjamin,

the concern that i have is that when you look at this now, i do ask you the same question. is there a left wing bias when it comes to people at the top of the police force and with judges? >> no, i don't think there's a left wing bias. and i think what's happened in these palestine marches is that is that they are ignorant. i don't think they understand the nature of the language that is in front of the language that is in front of them. i don't think they understand the law, and i don't think they're backed up to behave in a way that would stop these protests. but, you know, these protests. but, you know, the fact is, and it's a police officer that said this to me, you know, when people turn up to some of these anti—immigration marches that became riots and the people that turn up in westminster on behalf of groups like the edl, they turn up to fight and to damage things. so it's no wonder that the police tackle them far more sternly in the first place. when that's not the first place. when that's not the nature of most protests. >> i'm not being funny, but i like the riots in birmingham when, when muslims were on the streets and they had masks all over their faces, which actually are illegal, you're not allowed to wear them. >> why weren't they arrested? times change, but they they they weren't arrested. >> the people protesting about

palestine, i tell you, it's absolutely zero difference to the israeli government what people do. the only thing that matters to them in terms of the behaviour in palestine is the view of the american government. the people turning up to protest on the street. and actually there's no real effect as appalling as that conflict is no real effect in britain. the people turning up to protest about immigration are protesting about immigration are protesting about real things in their community that are stopping them seeing their gps. so they should be out protesting these sort of rent a mob coming out for palestine, you know what they're protesting for? it doesn't make a difference. >> i do find i do find it very interesting. now, when you look back at things like what rishi sunak said there and he's out there basically being nice, but begging the police to do something, you saw that tory government really begging on a few fronts there. certainly the home office, when it came to sorry, it's true and fair enough because nothing else was working, you know, when it came to things like dealing with illegal immigration or deporting people or getting rwanda off the ground or all of that stuff, and nothing was happening. nothing was happening, nothing could be done. and then keir starmer opens his mouth, pre—emptively

finds, i would argue, quite a few people guilty before they've gone to court and says, i want strict justice and bang, it happens. and for me that is a really big question that we have to ask ourselves are things getting done in the public sector because they've because they've got a labour government, because civil servants, because they're a religious element to this as well? >> i think i think there could be both. but i think if you're going to tackle it, you have to change the protest laws in this country. you can't have protest laws that bring whole countries to a standstill for weeks. and months on end. you can't have protest laws that encourage hatred of a particular race of people, and that's what we've got currently. >> all i'd say is the challenge of the last conservative government is the government had run out of mandate. i was part of it. the civil service had stopped doing the job of moving on with new policies. i thought, it's on with new policies. i thought, wsfime on with new policies. i thought, it's time for a general election. keir starmer, whatever he's doing right or wrong, he has a mandate to do it. and that is why the public sector is moving to support his every whim. yeah. >> fair enough. i think as well, just to come back to what we had right at the start there, which is, you know, the police now admitting that they were they

were they were too slow to arrest people for shouting jihad in the street. it's too late. it's too late. it's happened. it's too late. it's happened. it's been happening for months andifs it's been happening for months and it's not going to stop anytime soon. look. thank you very much. a lively start, everybody. time now in yet another screeching gear for change the great british giveaway. and the biggest cash prize we've ever given away. yes, £36,000 could be yours. that's like having an extra £3,000 tax free in your bank account each month for an entire yeah account each month for an entire year. here's all the details that you'll need to make that money yours. >> there's an incredible £36,000 to be won in the great british giveaway. that's like having an extra £3,000 each month to play with. and because it's totally tax free, you get to keep every penny and spend it however you like. we could be paying for your entire year until 2025. how amazing would that be? for another chance to win £36,000 in tax free cash text cash to 632321. entry cost £2 plus one standard network rate message or text bonus to 632325 entries

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migration masterplan? i'll be joined by the former border force chief, tony smith, very soon. but up next, as the bbc is accused of breaking its editorial guidelines more than 1500 times in its coverage of israel—hamas war, has the corporation's anti—israel bias been well and truly exposed? going head to head on this former current affairs producer at the bbc, john mair, and the journalist angela epstein. don't

welcome back to patrick christys tonight and it is time now for our head to head . yep. so our head to head. yep. so a damning report has found that the bbc breached its own editorial guidelines more than 1500 times during the height of the israel—hamas war, which is actually quite impressive in a way, isn't it? the report also found that the corporation massively downplayed palestinian terrorism whilst presenting israel as a military aggressor. well, is little wonder, given that the bbc's international edhon that the bbc's international editor, jeremy bowen, was forced to admit that he got it wrong when he suggested that israel was responsible for the bombing of a gaza hospital. >> i think i was measured throughout. i didn't to race judgement. >> but you said that building had been flattened . had been flattened. >> oh yeah, well, i got that wrong because i was looking at the pictures and what i could see was a square that appeared to be flaming on all sides.

there was a. >> yeah. i mean, just to add inqu >> yeah. i mean, just to add insult to injury, the beeb still can't bring itself to call hamas what they are really, which is terrorists. >> let's start with the islamist militant group that carried out this attack, who are hamas. >> but more than a thousand people have now been killed in israel. and gaza after a massive attack by hamas militants that began at dawn. gaza is governed by hamas , which is designated as by hamas, which is designated as a terrorist organisation by many governments, including the uk. >> hamas wears a lot of hats, doesn't it? it is a militant group , but it's also a political group, but it's also a political party and an islamist movement. >> yeah, they tried to try to do their best not to call them terrorists, don't they? so tonight i am asking, has the bbc shown its true colours? let me know your thoughts. gbnews.com/yoursay tweet me @gbnews. while you're there, go and vote in our poll going head to head on this. the former current affairs producer at the bbc is john mair and the journalist angela epstein. both

of you, thank you very, very much. andrew, i'll come to you first on this 1500 breaches, you know, of their editorial guidelines within. i think it's been about ten months. it's quite impressive in a way, isn't it? as the bbc has shown that it's got an institutional problem with israel, do you think? >> well, it's very hard to be persuaded otherwise. and i say that very regretfully, because this is our national broadcaster and they're bound by the charter to deliver impartial reportage for us and to, to deliver information that we can trust. it's a brand that's known throughout the world, and it has a huge responsibility that goes with that. this was a blistering attack, a blistering report rather produced by trevor atchison. he's a brilliant lawyer with his with his colleagues, and i know there will be arguments to say, well, you know, maybe this was just one particular piece of research or how did they go about it? apart from the fact that research itself holds up, you know, very robustly. and this is just the latest in an egregious line of examples of the bbc showing manifest bias, you've

shown the boeing clip. he refuses to apologise . you've had refuses to apologise. you've had sir michael ellis, the former attorney general, accusing the bbc of bias. there have been countless examples in bbc arabic. you've got gary lineker, who's on the payroll, who has tweeted with impunity and seems to be invincible, where this is concerned. and then there's the very basic stuff like hamas, they maim, they brutalise, they murder , they behead, they burn. murder, they behead, they burn. that's what they did. on october seventh, the largest number of jews were killed in that one day since the holocaust. what more do you want? their charter is dedicated to the destruction of israel and world jewry. and yet the bbc failed to say its name as it is. so all these things provide a damning dossier. they made it very difficult to be persuaded otherwise they are biased. >> john, i'll bring you in, because i do believe that you have a different view here. i mean, just looking at the face of it, you know, if we breached editorial guidelines from ofcom 1500 times in ten months, i mean, good grief, can you imagine the clamour?

>> indeed. now, patrick, i'm amazed you don't have rent a gob. danny cohen on tonight, who's written 28 daily telegraph articles in the last year about this. now, look , this is not an this. now, look, this is not an objective report . it's a report objective report. it's a report by a biased person. and you know what? nobody's picked it up. it's in the daily telegraph yesterday, and nobody's picked it up. so the research can't be that solid, can it? >> i'm just going to. i'll just stop you there for a second, because actually we did have the bloke who wrote that report on earliest is trevor masterson. and he, he was he had it put to him that whether or not there was any bias towards the bbc in this. so i'll play you what he had to say and then i'll get you to respond. off the back of it, i think we've got a clip of it coming your way very, very shortly. now, this is a clip of trevor atherton, who was on with jacob rees—mogg a little bit earlier on. he was asked whether or not there were any bias in this report. there we go. >> triggered the report was was feeling that this story was not being told properly. and so we i

thought, well , i can't take thought, well, i can't take anecdotal evidence of that. i've got to do it in the traditional way, which is methodically going through the evidence in assembling it. and then seeing it. it took four months before we could actually start counting, and i was expecting to find a failure of balance and some impartiality. and i didn't. i found a total failure of balance, a colossal lack of impartiality. >> and, john, apparently quite a lot of this was done by eye. so why do you think it is incredibly biased? >> well, so what let's talk about the gaza war show because it is a war. you know, this is a bizarre war where. >> sorry, john. no, i want you to talk about whether or not the bbc has been institutionally biased against israel. >> i'm not allowed to report it. it cannot go on the front line. it cannot go on the front line. it reports from tel aviv and jerusalem and it you know, it's not. and all all of its material comes from the idf. so i've watched a lot of bbc, i've watched a lot of bbc, i've watched a lot of bbc, i've watched a lot of channel 4 news,

i've watched a lot of itv, and i think it's a very proud moment in british journalism. what they've done, they've kept themselves very objective. but this is a war which they're not allowed to report. this is, you know, this is the first war where journalists are not allowed on the front line. why is that? you know, what are the israelis playing at, you know, being anti—israel or anti this war is not being anti—semitic. let's understand . let's understand. >> so, john, just to be clear, you are completely dismissing the findings of this report. yeah. >> well i haven't i haven't read the report, but i've read the report of the report. >> and thanks for coming on, john. great to have you. i mean, you've had all day to patrick. well, so john arne slot so john a he hasn't read the report so that. >> have you read the whole report? >> yes, i have, i have read the report actually. >> give me a 32nd summary. what doesit >> give me a 32nd summary. what does it say? >> well, as patrick said in his introduction , it shows 1500 introduction, it shows 1500 breaches of editorial guidelines and proper editorial policy. it also shows that there isn't any kind of mechanism by which the

neutrality can be approached within the bbc, and it gives many, many egregious examples of the disproportionate use of the word genocide in relation to israel. compared to, to hamas, which is a terrorist organisation. i can go on, but i'm aware that we're short of time. i'm very surprised that excuse me, i haven't finished. i'm very surprised that somebody who worked for the bbc, who was a journalist, will come on this programme to state their position without bothering to read the evidence. i think that very poorly reflects the nature of your position, but more importantly, i would say simply this trevor aitchison, you know, he's a highly respected lawyer. he's he's got a very successful law practice. he's worked in, in the uk, and there's nothing to be gained by falsifying further. and even if you set that aside, over 200 people that work for the bbc signed a letter recently complaining about institutionalised bias within the corporation. what more do you need to prove that there is a problem that needs to be addressed? >> all right, john, i'll let you come back to that. >> look, i mean, you know, this

is a report, a biased report by a biased person, which, you know, john, you've not read it, have you? and look, it's interesting that nobody has picked up on it apart from the daily telegraph and danny cohen. john, you've not. >> you've not even read it, mate. >> i mean, the daily mail. >> i mean, the daily mail. >> how important is this? look, you know, when are the israelis going to allow the gaza war to be reported properly? when are they going to allow journalists on the front line to get there and see what's happening at the moment? i mean, hamas is indulging in propaganda as much as as the israelis are, because they can send any old film out and people show it. this is this is a silent war, and it's an absolute nonsense. what the israelis are doing. >> right. john, can i can i just ask you as a former current affairs producer at the bbc? right. would it be acceptable, do you think, if a member of your staff or a presenter had come on to discuss a report and not read it? >> look, i know what the report says.i >> look, i know what the report says. i read a very long piece in the daily telegraph, and i

read danny cohen's diatribe about it as well, you know. so, you know, i don't need to read it word for word. you know, it's one of i mean, let's talk about the gaza war. let's talk . being the gaza war. let's talk. being anti—israeli is not being anti—semitic. >> look, john, we're out of time. yeah. look, both of you. thank you very much. >> because, you know. >> because, you know. >> well, it's not a pity, john, you know, i'm sorry, mate, but you know, i'm sorry, mate, but you were brought on to talk about a report. you've openly said you've not bothered to read it, but you've jumped to all kinds of conclusions to it. and, you know, i think that's a bit arrogant, to be honest with you. well, we are we are going to. is massively arrogant, actually. we're going to have to we're gonna have to knock it on the head. so thank you. thank you very much, both of you, for your time. that is john manners, former current affairs producer at the bbc, and angela epstein as well, a journalist. so who do you agree with there? although it's quite difficult if one side of that debate has decided not to engage, isn't it? but anyway, your verdict is now in 96% of your verdict is now in 96% of you think that the bbc is anti—israel, while 4% of you think the bbc is not. coming up,

the nhs is in decline for the first time in 50 years. that's the conclusion of a damning new report. i don't imagine john's read that one either. so will labour be able to turn the tide and deliver on the promise to reform our crumbling health service? former labour adviser james matthewson thinks they can, and he'll join me live very, very shortly. but first, do you remember this? >> i think the way to stop the boats is to smash the criminal gangs that are running the vile trade of putting people in the boats in the first place. >> well, the prime minister is going to need a new migration master plan. really? because it's emerged due to a shocking new finding that the national crime agency is , quote, in crime agency is, quote, in crisis, with its ability to tackle the people smuggling gangs severely hampered. so what next? former force chief tony

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now, today, the prime minister has been warned that the national crime agency is, quote, on its knees and severely hobbled in its ability to tackle the people smuggling gang. so that's the conclusion of pretty damning report published earlier. the nca was expected to play earlier. the nca was expected to play a key role in sir keir starmer's plan to smash the people smuggling gangs and tackle the small boats crisis . tackle the small boats crisis. but with reports of apparently unprecedented brain drain and significant lack of investment, the prime minister's plan is tonight lying in tatters. meanwhile, the government can't even come clean. this is important. they can't even come clean about where illegal migrants that keep crossing the channel on a daily basis will actually be housed .

actually be housed. >> give you some ground on this, let's say marshalling that effort across government so that we can actually make it work. asylum seeker is approved. where does that individual go? would it be in a council house? >> well, arrangements will have to be made to accommodate people who successfully are processed through the asylum arrangements . through the asylum arrangements. >> yes. it's quite astonishing, really. isn't it? so, you know, in order to smash the gangs, which keir starmer kept telling us was one of his top priorities, he needed first a new head of border command. that has yet to materialise. okay. the other thing you need is the national crime agency. you know, it's turned out that apparently the national crime agency has got some of the lowest morale of any public sector whatsoever. supposedly, they are paid less than your average kind of senior police officer, despite the fact that they do a lot of very controversial, very in—depth, very high profile work. so that's a problem. and apparently more people are leaving than they're managing to employ, which again, is another massive issue. so if you are actually

going to stop the boats, how does that square off? and we were hoping to have the former head of border force uk, tony smith , but unfortunately there smith, but unfortunately there are a couple of issues with him. so we've managed to rope in at the last minute. a familiar face is benjamin butterworth, who's back for more. benjamin, thank you very, very much. look, it doesn't really matter which way you dress this up, to be fair, does it? if the national crime agency is, quote, hobbled and on its knees, we ain't smashing the gangs, are we? >> well, i mean, look, if it's on its knees, then i think the idea of blaming keir starmer is quite unreasonable, because clearly that's been happening for a while. but surely this shows how the issue of tackling these boats, of tackling the most evil people, that it's possible to exist , these possible to exist, these smugglers that take advantage of some of the most desperate or vulnerable, or in some cases, maybe opportunistic people, is utterly evil and so to have this in crisis, while those people are exploiting it, maybe tells us a story of why we have , as us a story of why we have, as hundreds of people a day coming across over summers. >> so i suppose the question of

priorities, though, isn't it? because, you know, if he's if he's there, you know , ticking he's there, you know, ticking off the union paymasters, if he's doing a few bits and bobs like that, you know, you would have thought that actually he would have really got to grips with this. i mean, he could have made this his is key piece. he could have gone right. we're going to give you guys a pay rise at the nca. we're going to keep you in there. apparently people are just leaving because they can get much more lucrative work in the private sector as well. he's not even appointed a head of border command, has he? you know, and meanwhile, the boats keep coming. >> well, i mean, i think they're looking for a head of border command. i know that the home secretary, yvette cooper has talked about the fact that they're searching for that, but then they had a blow that someone with a similar job in someone with a similarjob in the home office actually quit that role. but, look, i think it's a really important point here. you know, when you've got this brain drain, when you say, and this report says that people are leaving for better paid jobs in the private sector. well, that's because public sector jobs, particularly in the last couple of years , have seen such couple of years, have seen such poor costs, such poor inflation in the salaries they get. you know, there was something recently where a head of

negotiations for an eastern european country with britain in our civil service, and the pay was 35 grand. you know, we don't pay was 35 grand. you know, we don't pay public servants strong enough. and when keir starmer is putting up the salaries of pubuc putting up the salaries of public sector workers and it's the outrage, actually, i think we should pay civil servants more, then maybe you'd have someone capable of smashing the gangs, you know. >> one thing i do think that isn't spoken about enough, right? we talk a lot about britain's colonial past and the wrongs of the slave trade , and wrongs of the slave trade, and that we all maybe need to pay some kind of reparations and flagellate ourselves endlessly as a result of it. but we have a slave trade taking place right now, a trade in human beings, and very often that is done by people who are who are not british, who are whether they're middle eastern gangs or whatever they are , who are literally they are, who are literally before our very eyes. currently deaung before our very eyes. currently dealing in the trade of human beings across the channel. and i just wonder whether or not keir starmer takes that as seriously as the labour party takes some historical wrongs that britain may or may not have done. >> well, the number of slaves in the world is higher today than

it's ever been, which is one of the most shocking trading in those people. well, we know that human trafficking exploiting of gang members in gangs. so one of the ways they do is that they come over in boats and lots of people point out they spend up to £10,000. it can cost to get a seat on one of those dangerous dinghies coming into the channel but they don't always have that money. when they get here, they are then told they can repay it by working sometimes. often illegally in our country. so i think national id cards would be a way to solve that. but let's be honest here it was the last tory government who said they wanted to get rid of elements of the modern slavery act, introduced by theresa may as home secretary and as prime minister, because they thought it was letting these people in. and i think that's the wrong way to do it, because some of these people coming over in boats, yes, it costs thousands of pounds, but they're paying that back and being slaves on britain's shores. >> i do get it. but for me it's you know, it's all very well and good.the you know, it's all very well and good. the likes of sadiq khan saying, you know, we're going to unveil a new statue to commemorate the historic wrongs of the transatlantic slave trade. but if you just go and

stand over the white cliffs of doven stand over the white cliffs of dover, you can see people who are non—british nationals every single day literally doing exactly the same thing. and that is happening right now. and we seem to care more about what may or may not have happened before any of us were born, you know? but anyway, there we go. but thank you very much for stepping in at the last minute. much appreciated. coming up. there is trouble brewing for sir keir starmer, with more than 30 labour mps ready to rebel, apparently against the government's winter fuel payment cut. it's going to be a big story this tomorrow. huge. okay. winter fuel payment cut is warnings now that 4000 pensioners could die this winter. okay, so why won't starmer u—turn on it? i'm going to tackle that at ten. oh, and fantastic news from the palace. this evening. >> if you lead the way as the summer comes to an end, i cannot tell you what a relief it is to have finally completed my chemotherapy treatment . chemotherapy treatment. >> now i'll have all the very latest on the princess of wales's latest health update very, very soon. but next year , very, very soon. but next year, apparently the nhs is now in decline for the first time in 50 years. what's that? i can hear you saying? what's that? it's

always been in decline. know, but apparently now it's official. so do you trust labour to fix

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. okay, so nhs, apparently the progress, if you want to call it that, is going backwards for the first time in 50 years with failures in the most basic areas of the health service. that is the conclusion of a major report by the surgeon and former health minister lord darzi. so, speaking to gb news yesterday, the health secretary, wes streeting , put reforming the wes streeting, put reforming the nhs at the heart of his plan to fix what is clearly a failing health service. >> my reform agenda is about is about three big shifts out of hospital into the community, so we get the gp appointments that people need, the social care that people need, care closer to people's homes, better for patients, better for value taxpayers. >> it's a shift from yeah. >> it's a shift from yeah. >> all right. i mean words,

words, words words isn't it? meanwhile people die. i'm joined now by former labour adviser james matthewson james cook . james matthewson james cook. thank you very, very much. i know a lot of people will be at home thinking, well, hang on a minute. i thought the nhs had actually been in decline for about 50 years, not for the first time in 50 years. but what are labour going to do to actually fix this, other than just lob a load more money at it? >> well, money is one thing, patrick. it is. you know, i know people think cynically like you can't fix everything with money, which is correct. you can't fix everything with money. but money is a huge part of the problem. and it's been chronically underfunded, as we saw. i mean, we are still seeing the effects, the damaging effects of austerity after david cameron, george osborne came to power have long lasting effects. policies in government, as we know. take time and this is why i always find it funny, whether it's on the left or the right. people who attack income and governments for the immediate problems that they're presented with, whether it be donald trump being blamed for a lapse in the economy, you know, it works both ways , really. so i do think we

ways, really. so i do think we have to say this. this is the effect of years and years. >> yeah , i get that. but james, >> yeah, i get that. but james, is it not also the effect of the fact that, i mean, we've got an nhs chief executive, which why are we really need that role for example, when we have a health minister as well? i don't know, but where's their accountability? you know, there's a leadership team in nhs england. there's loads of people. i shudder to think what amount of money they're on. does anyone ever hold this lot to account? it's always just politicians who get the blame for everything. i mean, what are these people doing? >> well, that's the thing. i mean, the politicians direct these people. so i think our system of democracy works in the sense that, you know, we blame politicians. we hold them to account because we can vote for them and we can change for them. we can't get rid of these people. we can't get rid of ceos of the nhs. we can't get rid of civil servants. you know, that's just the way that it works. and the whole point is that they can work full time on these projects. they are the experts, but it is a bit top down. you know, you've got wes streeting instructing these people when you think about it, they are the

experts. at the end of the day compared to wes streeting. so it is, you know, there are nuances in our system that require tweaks to make them better. >> but, you know, wouldn't you, james? you know, you would if you were running a business, right? if you were running a business, which let's just say the nhs might as well be right. and you were having the failures at every single level throughout from the most basic care. right down to people who need urgent heart surgery. and you had a, a, a team, a, i would go as far as to call them a fleet, a fleet of people in very senior roles here. and you were seeing those kind of results on a spreadsheet. you would sack them, wouldn't you ? them, wouldn't you? >> i don't think it's as straightforward as sacking them , straightforward as sacking them, but disciplinary processes and, you know, people being actually held to account on targets are important. but let's not forget targets cause half of these problems. i think when we hold people to targets, we lose the actual reality that they're there to provide a service that is not cost effective, because our health is not cost effective and it can never be cost effective because it's never going to be. and it shouldn't be

looked at in such a way. so it's difficult to compare to a private sector that puts profit above all else. >> i agree that it should be made, and i do agree with you on that. but you've got people like richard meddings, apparently, who joined the board of the nhs chair back in march 2022. his previous roles at standard chartered and barclays apparently tsb bank. i mean, this is a finance guy, deutsche bank, you know, i mean, as i say, we don't want to run it like a business. he's a he's a finance dude, right? i mean, he there's no way he'd survive with these kind of results in his, in his previous employ. but i'm going to whiz's on to, to a different topic now because parents in buckinghamshire have been asked to provide evidence that they can no longer afford private school fees to secure a place at a state school. now, there are a couple of problems here because some of the people, for example, have have children who've got special educational needs all right. and there's one case of a woman who says that her daughter had been rejected from two local secondary schools. she was asked to prove her financial situation in order for her child to be considered for her child to be considered for another school in the area she actually spoke to. sorry, was speaking to gb news yesterday. i should say wes streeting just had little sympathy for parents like that.

>> schools can't say they weren't warned. we did make it very clear and the priority for this money is to invest in the state. education that benefits the 93% of pupils in this country, including the most vulnerable and disadvantaged. so that's the thrust of the policy. that's the government's agenda . that's the government's agenda. it's for the 93% at state schools, not simply the 7% at independent schools. and people were forewarned. so they can't complain now , forewarned, but complain now, forewarned, but can't complain now. >> you've got a child with special needs. there's military children as well who are normally , you know, dotted normally, you know, dotted around the country in schools. why doesn't labour care about them? >> i think they do care about them. i think wes streeting misspoke in that. i mean, i can't speak for him, me and wes aren't traditionally on the same side of the labour party anyway, but i do think what he was talking about with the schools, because the schools have been forewarned, and i think we need to lay the blame where it belongs, which, as you were just talking about businesses a minute ago. patrick, by the way, businesses need to be responsible for their finances.

and these are businesses. they you know, they're schools that provide an education, but they're not beholden to the curriculum. they're not beholden to any kind of, you know, national ultimately, ultimately, if it if it is if it is disproportionately children with special needs or children on bursaries or the children of people who are serving in our armed forces who are suffering, i would argue that's a bad policy . yeah. i don't think it policy. yeah. i don't think it is disproportionately that. i think there are cases where those people are, but those people are being let down anyway because send provision is in a complete state across the country. you know, it should be state provided , i know counties state provided, i know counties like the county i come from in northumberland, rural northumberland. you have to drive two hours. if you want to go to an send school, because there's no other spaces for them available. so that's a problem. and that's been picked up by the private sector as many problems always are. but that does not mean the private sector gets off the hook when it comes to paying tax. >> all right, james, look, thank you very much for your time. as even you very much for your time. as ever. you take care. james matthewson there former labour adviser. right coming up, some

of these violent thugs could be released onto your streets tomorrow . bop released onto your streets tomorrow. bop bop bop bop bop bop . bop. >> get up . >> get up. >> get up. >> it's all part of the government's plan to ease the overcrowding crisis in the uk's prisons. but could the release of 1700 violent criminals put brits in danger? also coming up tonight, different tone. thankfully. apparently some fantastic news from kensington palace. >> do you lead the way? as the summer comes to an end, i cannot tell you what a relief it is to have finally completed my chemotherapy treatment . chemotherapy treatment. >> we'll bring you all the latest on the princess of wales health update very, very soon. and with warnings that more than 4000 pensioners could freeze to death this winter , why isn't death this winter, why isn't keir starmer u—turning on the winter fuel payments? stay tuned . winter fuel payments? stay tuned. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello and welcome to the

latest update from the met office for gb news. some clear spells overnight and a cool night compared with recent nights, but it is turning increasingly unsettled towards the north of the uk with weather systems arriving from the atlantic. it's not something we've seen for a week or so and that means heavy and at times persistent rain across scotland, northern ireland, northern england and north wales through the night. cloudy skies, sinking south as well, but we keep some clear spells towards the east midlands, east anglia, southeast england , 11 or 12 celsius first england, 11 or 12 celsius first thing here, but high single figures, low double figures, typically elsewhere and lower humidity compared with the last week or so. so a more comfortable night for sleeping even if it is an unsettled start to tuesday with wet and windy weather sweeping through northern scotland. i think shetland and orkney could see some disruption from heavy rain and strong winds during the day, as well as blustery weather for

western scotland. northern ireland heavy showers and gusty winds. an area of rain sinks south during the morning across northern england, reaching north wales and parts of the midlands by lunchtime. ahead of that, we've got thickening cloud for southern parts, with a few showers moving into wales and the southwest. perhaps 1 or 2 developing later in the southeast. so effectively it's a showery day. but with some longer spells of rain at times. for example, the end of the day across southern parts. 19 celsius in the south, 11 in the far north and northeast with 50 mile per hour wind gusts and the wind coming from the arctic. now that arctic wind is going to sweep across all parts by wednesday, that means it's going to feel cold in the wind. unusually so for the time of yeah unusually so for the time of year. frequent showers moving through as well, particularly in the north and northwest. but some sunshine in between, so it's not going to be a complete washout. fewer showers on thursday and friday. more rain in the north this weekend. >> looks like things are heating

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ready britain. here we go. will starmer let old people freeze to death this winter? next . next. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines. just after 10:00. the chancellor has warned about difficult decisions to come on tax and spending cuts during a meeting with labour mps. rachel reeves also told mps that she is not immune to concerns over winter fuel allowance plans. earlier downing street said sir keir starmer's cabinet is united behind plans to cut winter fuel payments for millions of pensioners. it comes as two of the biggest unions have put further pressure on the government to soften its policy. mps will vote tomorrow on plans to scrap the payment . in other to scrap the payment. in other news, a man who raped and stabbed joanne tulip 60 times in a sadistic murder in northumberland 27 years ago, should be freed from prison. that's according to the parole board. stephen ling was jailed

for life in december 1998 after admitting his horrific attack on joanne, who was 29 years old. ling was sentenced to life with a minimum term of 20 years, which was reduced to 18 years by the high court. transport secretary louise haigh said her thoughts are with joanne's family first and foremost. >> all my thoughts are with joanne tulip's family and everyone who loved her. this is an appalling situation for them to have lived through and now be worrying about. i know the justice secretary is considering whether that decision can be appealed and whether it can be reconsidered, whether she can request for the parole board to reconsider it. but it is an independent parole board. >> it comes as victims of domestic abuse are facing sleepless nights ahead of labour's early prison release scheme. that's according to the domestic abuse commissioner. speaking to the sunday times, nicole jacobs warned that some victims may not be aware that their attackers could soon be

free. up to 1750 offenders will be released tomorrow under the ministry of justice's emergency plan to ease the overcrowding crisis in jails. in other news, the princess of wales has finished her chemotherapy treatment and said her focus is to stay cancer free. she made the announcement in a heartfelt family video showing her spending private time with prince william and her children . prince william and her children. princess catherine revealed in march that she was undergoing cancer treatment and has been out of the public view since then. she is now set to carry out a few engagements this year, which could include remembrance events in november and her annual christmas carol concert. now, some breaking news. hollywood legend james earl jones has died at the age of 93. the actor was best known for his roles as darth vader in star wars and the voice of mufasa in disney's the lion king, and he died at his home in new york this morning.

died at his home in new york this morning . those are the this morning. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler. now it's back to patrick for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> is keir starmer happy for nearly 4000 old people to die this winter? because of a decision he's made? starmer took the knee for black lives matter. so did angela rayner. the home secretary poses with a sign saying refugees welcome. we absolutely have to keep sending billions of pounds to ukraine. labouris billions of pounds to ukraine. labour is obsessed with the lives of palestinian people. but a report done by the labour party predicts nearly 4000 elderly people right here in britain could die here if starmer scraps the winter fuel allowance. will he take the knee

for them while he's down there? maybe he could turn the heating on. starmer is doing this to save the taxpayer money. is he? well that's funny because the taxpayer isn't allowed to know how much money we're spending on refurbishing flats for asylum seekers. apparently that information is too sensitive. if the truth was out there, there might be protests. and obviously we can't have that, can we? there's layers to starmer's pensioner problem. there's hypocrisy. last year, the prime minister was apparently drawing up plans to remove the winter fuel allowance from pensioners. >> his paymaster general went a step further. he said these are the sorts of things that we need to look at. so will he now rule out taking pensioners winter fuel payments off them to help fund his £46 billion black hole? >> how times change does the fact that he's lost the unions over this? the head of the trade union congress, paul novak, said. >> i think we've got real concerns about this decision to take those winter fuel allowance

payments away from pensioners. i don't want any pensioner going into the winter worried about putting the heating on. >> there's a backbench revolt looming. as many as 50 labour mps could abstain from the vote tomorrow, but starmer doesn't seem to care. he's not backing down, willing to be unpopular. >> we're going to have to be unpopular. popular decisions aren't tough. they're easy. when we talk about tough decisions, i'm talking about tough decisions. the things the last government ran away from . government ran away from. >> i wonder if he's changed his hair lighter to look a bit more like jack frost this winter. but anyway, will he remove the whip, though, from the 17 labour mps that have tonight signed a motion opposing the cut ? he's motion opposing the cut? he's already removed the whip from seven mps who voted to abolish the two child benefit cap. it looks like his own cabinet don't really want to vote with him on this, but i'm not remotely happy about it and i'm not remotely happy about having to say to some of my constituents, i'm sorry that i'm going into work

this week to vote for something that will take money away from you and your. they're going to do it anyway, though, are they ethnic minorities, illegal immigrants , refugees, asylum immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers? the union's gaza people who didn't get tickets to oasis ukraine, eu diplomats, all of those people are more of a priority to sir keir starmer than the vulnerable elderly, are they? he'll deny that, of course. but that's how it looks, isn't it? let's get the thoughts of my panel this evening. daily express columnist carole malone. we've got journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth and the former chairman of the conservative party, sir jake berry. carl, remarkable. this really i mean, a pensioner is just back of the queue in keir starmer. britain. >> it is beyond shocking that this is the man who kept on telling us before the election that he was going to look after britain's most vulnerable, that the labour party was the party to do that. but yet he appears to do that. but yet he appears to hate old people. i wonder if he's punished them because he thought most of them voted tory in the election. however, that's

beside the point. the point here is pensioners are some of the most vulnerable in our society and you know, when theresa may was going to do this and you mentioned in your intro back in 2017, he said it would be the single biggest attack, the biggest attack on pensioners in a generation . so why is he doing a generation. so why is he doing exactly the same thing? you know , exactly the same thing? you know, and the fact that the fact that his own party is totally against him on this, the fact that the union baron sharon graham today, who was in charge of the unite union, the biggest union in the country, she just said real leaders are about people who know they've made the wrong decision and they have the guts to put it right. and that's really important because he's not doing that. and the reason he can't do it is rachel reeves, because i will bet she is telling him he can't backtrack because it makes her look foolish and heartless and callous. if he says that one of her policies is no good and u—turn so he won't you. >> it's interesting. this. so this has just landed in the last few minutes. all right. i'm going to bring this to you now. apparently, chancellor rachel reeves received quotes, prolonged clapping and cheering from labour mps after their meeting earlier on the winter

fuel payment cuts . i'm keen to fuel payment cuts. i'm keen to see what reaction she gets on the doorstep the next time she meets pensioners. but benjamin, a report that was conducted by the labour party itself saying that nearly 4000 elderly people could die if the winter fuel payment is cut and keir starmer is going to do it anyway. can he live with that? >> well, i suspect that meant didn't take into account what they were doing this time, which is that people on pension credit will still get it. and so the poorest will continue to get it. >> 880,000 are eligible for pension credit and can't get it. >> and that's important that they get it. but they're eligible for getting it now. i think it's absolutely right that they don't get these winter bonuses going forward. the idea that we have a situation where millions of the most financially secure, wealthiest people in society. >> you keep topping 300. >> you keep topping 300. >> i didn't interrupt you get a £300 payout each summer while there are sky high taxes for workers who have much less income, is completely unjustifiable and economically unsustainable. and don't just take my word for that kemi badenoch said that while in government, why did the labour

party introduce it then ? well, party introduce it then? well, because. good question. because back when they introduced it, the gap between the earnings of the gap between the earnings of the average pensioner was 30% lower than the average worker . lower than the average worker. today it's less than a 10th difference. you know, in the last 14 years there has been a bigger increase for the incomes and wealth of pensioners than any other group . any other group. >> so i say the tories, the conservative government, looked after the most vulnerable people in society . you've now got in society. you've now got a labour government isn't doing the same. what i think is surprising about this, it is not. it is not the only thing that's happening live on 200 and we are we are hearing you don't ihave. >> all right. >> all right. >> stop stop, stop. we are heanng >> stop stop, stop. we are hearing that rachel reeves may aboush hearing that rachel reeves may abolish the single person's discount on council tax or reduce it . that discount on council tax or reduce it. that is disproportionately going to affect pensioners. we'll have to wait to the budget to find. it's been heavily pushed out there by treasury officials . of course, treasury officials. of course, the cost of fuel because the because the fuel cut has been altered has gone up £300 anyway. so if you put that £300 with the £300 they've lost, that's

pensioners, £600 worse off this winter , unable to heat their winter, unable to heat their house. it really is a concern. and the labour party were right. the reason the conservatives kept this year after year , kept this year after year, election after election is because poor people , elderly because poor people, elderly people will die. you can shake your head and say no. that's what the labour party used to believe in when it was in opposition. and now it's so desperate to get our cash so it can give money to its mates in the trade unions. its real paymasters. >> 17 labour is abolishing it was because it was profligate with money and now it's not. >> i'm sorry, pensioners should not be in the position to have to plead and beg and justify for money and be means tested for money. that is not a handout to them. this is money they've paid into the state. all of their lives. and all those groups that patrick mentioned before have not paid into our state and have not paid into our state and have not done their bit for this country. these people haven't have to beg at this stage in their life. they pensioners should not be frightened. you should not be frightened. you should turn the heating on. >> let me just put this to you, benjamin. right that we are currently and there are there are echoes here of when we tried

and failed to find very basic information about what crimes and how many crimes are being committed by asylum seekers. and refugees or, and illegal migrants was banned from us . it migrants was banned from us. it was deemed to be too sensitive for the poor public's ears. we couldn't possibly know that information. that would be that would be that would be terrible. we would implode as a society. and now we're being told we can't possibly know how much taxpayers money is being spent refurbishing flats for asylum seekers. we can't know that. but what we can know is that apparently there'd be a run on the pound if we didn't take the winter fuel payments away. >> do you know how much that's going to save the economy? £1.2 billion 1.6 and the public sector wage bill. the wage rises is going to be. >> well, forget that what we do know, what we do know is we've got billions of pounds worth of foreign aid going to countries like india that has its own space programme . it's going to space programme. it's going to china while we're letting pensioners freeze to death at home. >> and i say this from deep personal experience, you're about to be very unpopular with

indian twitter. but yes, i do agree with you. >> well, first of all, the idea about they should say how much it costs to refurbish homes, but you're referring to is one property. it's not a rule of the government by any means. so it's an exaggeration. it is a perversion of the state, and it is not conservative in the slightest to say that we should take £300 from workers that are having a hard time and have the highest taxes ever, pensioners, and give them to millions of people, 12.5 million pensioners, the vast majority , are the vast majority, are financially secure. >> i talk about the elderly. you talk about the elderly all the time . you talk like you hate time. you talk like you hate elderly people that you hate elderly people that you hate elderly people. >> you talk like you. >> you talk like you. >> i was raised by them, but you talk like you do. the fact is that it talk like you do. the fact is thatitis talk like you do. the fact is that it is not a sensible thing to give all of this money to people that don't need it. >> i know the labour, the labour government, the labour governors incomes and their security is out of proportion with 30 years ago. >> they are doing well. the labour people aren't. >> the truth is the labour government won the last general election. record majority.

fantastic result without the vote of pensioners because most of them voted conservative party. >> this is a spy. >> this is a spy. >> they know that. they think they don't need you. if you're a pensioner watching at home, labour does not need you. that is what they've decided. they're a soft target and they're hitting them and hang on, because you're not going to keep shouting over us all the time. >> stop it, you're just shouting and you are shouting. >> i know, by the way, on the issue of india, let me go back to that. we're giving india £50 million a year of taxpayers cash. yeah, they spent the same sending a rocket to the moon and pensioners are freezing at home. he goes, what on earth are we doing in this country about pensioners rich life 221 that's not correct. >> that is correct. >> that is correct. >> not correct . >> not correct. >> not correct. >> hey, i get a pension. i know what the pension is. you do not talk to me about what the pension is. >> i you also know that's not the pension. you get £221 because 7 in 10 pensioners have a private pension . a private pension. >> okay. and the average, the average average income of a pensioner in this country is £21,000. >> percent of the people in this country have got nothing else but the state.

>> that's correct, that's correct. >> and those people are eligible for pension credit. they're eligible for the winter fuel allowance. i'm sorry, eligible for the free tv licence. >> i'm sorry. so they're not affected by millions of pensioners earning a small income that is just above the criteria. how can it be justified that we give £1 billion to 70% of wealthier pensioners? keep your hatred of old people to yourself. we don't want to hear it. >> because seriously, what? keir starmer cannot get around is as of right now, he's like , we're of right now, he's like, we're going to have a vote on this tomorrow. we'll see which way that goes. remains to be seen. what he does about removing the whip for people who who vote against him or indeed abstain or whatever happens. so obviously we'll bring that to you live. i'm not really here as that happens, but as it currently stands in britain, we've got a bill running into the billions of pounds for people who have just entered britain illegally . just entered britain illegally. we have a bill of around £8 billion for migrants who are not working or indeed looking for working or indeed looking for work . exactly. whereas work. exactly. whereas pensioners are about to take a hit. and that doesn't seem fair. carol >> it's totally not fair. so

these are people who have contributed to society all of their lives . and, you know, he their lives. and, you know, he has no idea about the mentality of old people. he's probably never interviewed one in his life. >> i was raised by. >> i was raised by. >> i've spent my, yes, quite a wealthy one. i've actually spent my life interviewing pensioners. and the bottom line is they they care, they save, they try and keep a little nest egg because they never know what's going to happen to them. and when i say a nest egg, i'm not talking about tens of thousands of pounds. i'm talking about 2 or £3000 because they never know what's going to befall. they never want to be reliant on the state. and yet you're talking about making those pensions. >> they're being punished now and they're being punished by labour for doing the right thing. >> no, it's a reality check. look, let's look at a fact. poverty, relative poverty is higher among workers than among pensioners. and yet those workers are facing sky high taxes and very difficult to get the security facing sky high. we have the highest taxes in 70 years. >> but the workers you're talking about are not facing. should you have taxes? >> should you have workers paying >> should you have workers paying even higher taxes when pensioners now they have well,

if a worker if a worker had the same as the state pension, they wouldn't pay any tax at all. >> they wouldn't pay any income tax. rise in sky high taxes of zero, which is a third more than okay. >> you're talking about the triple lock. and every year that they get more in the triple lock you've got £900 more. last year food prices rise , fuel prices rise. >> they get £400 more in the triple lock this year. >> that's enough . >> that's enough. >> that's enough. >> we're asking which keeps pace with inflation. they're not any ficher. fichen >> so you shut up. >> so you shut up. >> so you shut up. >> so you're getting richer. >> so you're getting richer. >> no you're not, they're not keeping pace with the great british giveaway. >> everybody. if you're a pensioner. no. all right okay. it's time for the great wishes giveaway. this is the biggest cash prize we've ever given away. £36,000 could be all yours. that's like having an extra £3,000 tax free in your bank account each month for an entire year. here's all the details you need to make it yours. >> there's an incredible £36,000 to be won in the great british giveaway. that's like having an extra £3,000 each month to play with. and because it's totally tax free, you get to keep every

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of wales tonight . of wales tonight. >> bucha doing what i can to stay cancer free is now my focus . stay cancer free is now my focus. >> yeah. bluster. well, i'll bnng >> yeah. bluster. well, i'll bring you all the very latest on princess catherine's cancer treatment, but first, more than 1600 potentially violent criminals are set to be released onto the uk streets tomorrow as part of the government's plan to ease prison will brits be put in danger? i'll be

next. welcome back. now, around 2000 criminals are set to be released tomorrow, and they're going to be released early from prison . be released early from prison. it's an attempt to tackle overcrowding in british jails. so the offenders identified for the first group of early releases are all serving sentences of less than five years. but campaigners have raised fears that domestic abusers could be one of the largest groups of people released under this scheme. warnings now that victims will be having sleepless nights as a result of this. as you can imagine , can't you really? and imagine, can't you really? and now, bizarrely, the government has claimed that the policy is necessary to stop the complete breakdown of society. i mean, exactly why and how releasing more criminals onto the street makes society a safer place. i'm not entirely sure, but luckily for us, here is justice secretary shabana mahmood trying to make that case. back in july, we could see looters running

amok, smashing in windows, robbing shops and setting neighbourhoods alight in short, if we fail to act now , we face if we fail to act now, we face the collapse of the criminal justice system. yeah, i mean, the problem is that the people who did all of those things are currently in prison and are about to be released. so anyway, i'm joined now by former prison governor rhona hotchkiss. thank you very much. great to have you on the show, there are serious concerns, namely initially. anyway by domestic abuse victims for example, that their abuser is about to be released. >> that's right. so although i believe that no one with an actual marker of domestic violence on their, criminal record on their current criminal record on their current criminal record will be released , it record will be released, it certainly it doesn't cover all men who have abused their partners for example, there will be people, men who have abused their partners in the past who are not necessarily in prison this time. for domestic

violence, but they will be released early. there will be men who have been charged with an offence like common assault , an offence like common assault, and they may be released early , and they may be released early, and they may be released early, and of course, we also know that men who are violent towards their partners are often violent on other occasions too. so there will be men in for other crimes of violence who will also be released. and the most worrying thing is that people, well, the victims that do know that someone's going to be released and most of them won't, will not have had time to make plans for their own safety, the safety of their own safety, the safety of their children, for example , their children, for example, relocating or whatever might need to be done because they would have thought that they'd have another six months to do this . yeah. this. yeah. >> does this need to be done , rhona? >> well , it's rhona? >> well, it's a rhona? >> well , it's a difficult one, >> well, it's a difficult one, isn't it? there are other things that the government could have chosen to do . they could have chosen to do. they could have chosen to do. they could have chosen to do. they could have chosen to put people on house arrest with the hdc or the ankle tag on, and they could choose to

suspend sentences . but certainly suspend sentences. but certainly if they don't do any of these things, they just will be no place, no, no prison spaces left for them. of course, the other thing they could have chosen to do is perhaps a bit more controversial, but i believe the one that 80% of the british pubuc one that 80% of the british public favour is to deport more foreign nationals. there are 10,000 foreign nationals in uk prisons at the moment. the conservative government deported almost 4000 last year, but we now have 10,000 in prison, so thatis now have 10,000 in prison, so that is another option. they could have picked. >> yeah, it's actually a tremendous point. it is a tremendous point. it is a tremendous point. it is a tremendous point because i mean, thatis tremendous point because i mean, that is one pretty surefire way i would argue, of both freeing up space and maybe making britain safer going forward. you know, getting rid of some criminals who we can get rid of. the labour government has previously said things like no violent criminals would be released , right. but then it released, right. but then it turns out that that's not entirely true, some violent criminals will be released. and now they're saying, now that, you know , terror offences or you know, terror offences or people with with sex offences

will not be released, i think there is a question there isn't there is a question there isn't there of whether or not we can really believe that. >> well , that's that's what >> well, that's that's what i think, patrick. so it seems clear to me that no one with a current offence, a current sex offence or a current terror offence or a current terror offence or a current terror offence or a current offence of violence against their partner will be released, but i'm not so sure that that covers past crimes. i've seen nothing to say that it covers past crimes, so we don't know what kinds of offending history these people may have. >> and just just finally, with renee, you know, your experience there as a former prison governor. all right. you know, if you're dealing with these kind of people who maybe are repeat offenders or whatever, you know , if you dangle the you know, if you dangle the carrot in front of them that you're basically going to serve 40% of your sentence and you're going to be allowed out earlier on, you know, how does that sit with this law? i mean, is there any deterrent here now, really for people? do you think? >> well, no, i mean any reasonable person, reasonable or not in prison is going to do anything they can to get out

early. so no, it prison isn't currently a deterrent anyway . currently a deterrent anyway. patrick. and this this to me is just a symptom of a justice system in absolute crisis . we system in absolute crisis. we have to make our mind up in britain what we want to send people to prison for. and we have to take a more evidence based approach, what actually works. but it would require parallel funding. we'd have to put millions , possibly billions, put millions, possibly billions, into improving community resources, drug and alcohol rehabilitation programs, better probation services and by the way, the probation service must be quaking in their boots over this because they are already bursting at the seams without a potential 5500 prisoners coming out over the next couple of months. because that's what's being proposed . being proposed. >> yeah. i mean, and it's where they go disproportionate. i mean , they go disproportionate. i mean, we could go on all day about this. i mean, it apparently kicks off tomorrow. i just don't know how people who make these decisions and i know that this job isn't easy. and, you know, i get to sit here and do this

every night. and that is much easier than actually running a government department. and i acknowledge that. but the sleepless nights, i just don't think i'd be able to release these people. i just don't think i could, knowing that something bad could happen and then i would feel, i would think i would feel, i would think i would feel, i would think i would feel that very, very heavily. but rona, look, thank you very much. and i do hope to talk to you again soon. no doubt we will in the coming days. it's rhona hotchkiss there who is a former prison governor. thank you very, very much. right. okay. so watch out. by the way, i will just say as well, do you remember that time a few weeks ago when we were told to board up entire shopping centres and town centres just in case we had a bit of a riot? well, tomorrow we do have apparently about 2000 actual criminals released on the streets. will we be boarding up the country? will we? but anyway, tomorrow's newspaper front pages have landed, and there is very much one story dominating them. >> do you lead the way as the summer comes to an end? i cannot tell you what a relief it is to have finally completed my chemotherapy treatment. >> yes, i'll bring you all the very latest on the princess of wales's health update. oh, and i want you to try to tell me what's going on here, please. down it , down it, down it.

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welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now it's time to bring you the very first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages. so i'm going to start us off with the metro princess moving update as chemotherapy ends. kate, my cancer recovery. and there is a theme on tomorrow's front pages. we'll go tomorrow's front pages. we'll go to the daily express. kate's renewed sense of hope to completing chemotherapy. she says your kindness is humbling. out of darkness can come light. and there's the picture there of the family there. she's been very humbled by the outpouring of support for her wishes on to the daily telegraph. i want to stay cancer free. the princess of wales emotional video with

her husband and children reveals scary medical journey and her gratitude for life's simple things such as loving and being loved. they've got a lot of inside reports on this tomorrow, including one by camilla tominey, who obviously gb news viewers will know very, very well . there are a couple of well. there are a couple of stories at the bottom here. there's rachel reeves piping up about pensioners saying they'll actually be £1,700 better off with us, as she says . so what with us, as she says. so what remains to be seen, whether or not there's any truth to that, the independent, they've also gone for the picture story of kate, william and their children, and they've gone for an exclusive on the front union's warnings to labour over winter fuel row . the tuc winter fuel row. the tuc president says summer riots and rise of nigel farage should be a wake up call for keir starmer to avoid deep cuts to be seen. exactly what makes it an exclusive, because we have been reporting on that all day. but, where's ourselves over to the eye now? pensioners in poverty 770,000 are set to lose winter fuel payments. they also obviously have the picture there

of kate. now, look, just before ibnng of kate. now, look, just before i bring my panel in to talk about, the front pages, i think it might be worthwhile as reminding ourselves of a little bit of that video that was released earlier on today. it's a remarkable video, highly unusual video, but it was released at bang on 4:30 pm. today from the princess of wales. so here's a bit of it. >> do you lead the way as the summer comes to an end? i cannot tell you what a relief it is to have finally completed my chemotherapy treatment. doing what i can to stay cancer free is now my focus . although i have is now my focus. although i have finished chemotherapy, my path to healing and full recovery is long and i must continue to take each day as it comes . each day as it comes. >> yes. okay. well, firstly, i mean you know, massive congratulations and well done on on managing to get this far with it all and overcome it all and surge strength and dignity throughout everything that's happened over the last year or so . carol, a very unusual video ,

so. carol, a very unusual video, very close up, personal with the family, with the music in the woods. you know, it was, it was something else. >> i think she's been gone for such a long time now. >> and this is obviously her re—entry into the thing. but i think, you know, i think kate has had a much tougher time than any of us could have imagined over this. you know, cancer is a devastating diagnosis for anyone when you're her age and you have very young children. i think people who have very young kids worry about them more than themselves. and i think it's hit her incredibly hard because remember, she went into hospital with one quite serious thing and she found this other very serious thing as well. so she had two greater things to deal with. and i think it probably mentally rather than physically. it's been very tough for her to come to terms with the what happened after the operation. and i think this is, you know, this is her finally, finally coming to terms with it. it is, i think, because it's odd that she's been off work for so long because charles has had chemo, too. and so i think what's been happening to her is probably not so much physical, but but a

mental thing. and i think she's coming to terms with it. and this is a great introduction. but you know, we can never underestimate the effect cancer has on your head. never mind your body. >> and look, i mean, i thought that some of the wording in the video was quite, telling maybe is not the right word where opaque almost. >> isn't it ? well, so. >> isn't it? well, so. >> so she finished chemotherapy . >> so she finished chemotherapy. l, >> so she finished chemotherapy. i, i don't believe she's necessarily cancer free. so there's clearly a journey still to be had here. i think she i think and we wish her well don't we. >> yeah. i mean i think, i mean i think it was actually in terms of reintroduction of princess catherine to the, to the british public. it's great. and i think it shows how in touch her and the heir to the throne , prince the heir to the throne, prince william, are there are different they're a young modern family. but like every single young modern family who has an appalling cancer diagnosis to deal with, like this i agree with carol. it's extremely stressful. i was a bit worried

there was. we don't know all the details of either the illness she went in to be treated for in the first place, where they discovered the cancer or her ongoing cancerjourney. as she ongoing cancer journey. as she describes it , it was ongoing cancer journey. as she describes it, it was concerning that, she, you know , there just that, she, you know, there just seemed to be a bit of a opaqueness about some of the language. and it may be that this isn't the end for in terms of that particular journey, forgotten, actually, and in a way it should be. >> but actually, i also think it shouldn't the absolute horror show that kate had to put up with when she was first, when she was first diagnosed with this and she was going this whole where's kate saga, this ridiculous media circus and everything . and i just think, everything. and i just think, what a dignified re—entry into pubuc what a dignified re—entry into public life. >> and yeah, yeah, i mean, look, this is you know, as this video and as a way of announcing the news is very unusual. the fact that she's telling us she's finished chemotherapy, you know, for the longest time, that kind of detail would not be made available about someone a senior royal like this. so it's notable that she's shared this. and then i think the reason that this

high spec family video in which she talks , she's opaque in the she talks, she's opaque in the details, but at relative length , details, but at relative length, suggests that they are having a rethink of how they approach communications as a royal family because whereas kate came about because a lack of information, a concern, a conspiracy, and then she did that video sat on a bench which comforted a lot of people. at least they knew what was wrong with her. and so i think that's a big shift in comms for the royal family to be doing something like this. it felt very personal. it felt very much the instagram age. >> but do you know what i think as well, looking at that, that picture with that, with them on the bench with the kids and her holding will's hand, you know, we all forget the toll it's taken on him too. you know, he's had to carry on working terrified about his wife, terrified about his wife, terrified about his wife, terrified about what it's doing to his kids and yet he's had to carry on. and the person who was the partner of the victim never gets thought about very much. but the strain on him must have been tremendous, because dealing with with catherine would have been one thing. he would have been one thing. he would have been trying to look after her to, to, you know, feed her emotionally. but he's also

looking after his kids and making sure that they don't miss their mum and trying to fill in that role and, and i think we forget about, you know, the partner in these situations. >> no, i couldn't agree more. and there's also this big thing, isn't there, that all the anti—monarchists like to bang on about about how the royal family is this massively out of touch weird cabal poshos. and oh, look at that video that we just played some clips of it there. yes. and that's that's proper family stuff. and it's nice and it's i mean, goodness gracious me , whoever's put that video me, whoever's put that video together should win an award. you know, it's really they are they are human beings, you know, they're nice. they are quite normal people. i mean, that's that's normal. it makes you realise you know, the kids are climbing trees. they're it's all kind of normal stuff. >> i suspect nothing makes you feel more fallible than cancer. and of course, as carol says , and of course, as carol says, william hasn't just been supporting his wife, raising three children, but also his father has clearly been off for bouts of time because he is going through this. and so and camilla took a holiday at one point, i'm sure deserved. so the weight on his shoulders has been extraordinary. and the nature of being a royal, you know, she doesn't just have the

responsibility of motherhood, but the whole life is about a future role, about being queen, the future of our nation and so, you know, to feel the burden of the country as well. >> was interesting was that she stood back from that role. >> i was glad she did. you know, she wasn't trying to work and do, but she just said, nah, i'm taking it. >> but it's very different from the queen, isn't it? because that was a different era. yes. and there was never explained, never complain. and when the when the queen mother going back even further was ill, it was always she may have a fishbone in her throat. the queen herself was very ill for a long time. no details of her illness were brought up whatsoever . king brought up whatsoever. king charles changed that. he came out and said, i've got prostate cancen out and said, i've got prostate cancer. the entire country had a conversation about the king's genitals. and you know that massively increased the number of men who were going and getting tested for prostate cancen getting tested for prostate cancer. it was a hugely positive thing. and of course, princess catherine came out and talked to the nation about her diagnosis. thatis the nation about her diagnosis. that is completely different. this is a new era for the royal family and not one we've ever lived through before. >> and it will save lives. people coming out and talking

about it and getting checks and all of that stuff. it will save lives. but also that message of recovery, strength and hope which which she's put out there, to show that, you know, it doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be the end. you know, it doesn't have to always be this complete darkness. it can bring you that sort of fear can bring you that sort of fear can bring you closer together as a couple and as a family. you closer together as a couple and as a family . yeah. okay. all and as a family. yeah. okay. all right, well, coming up, we'll have some more of tomorrow's newspaper front pages. but there is very much a lighter story in town. i'm very pleased to be able to bring it to you. can you guess what the story is behind this? hello. down it, down it. >> down it. >> down it. >> we've got the man behind this audacious challenge joins me live in his next stay tuned. you won't want to miss

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welcome back to patrick christys tonigone.iow two, one. >> hey. >> hey. >> yes, my bro, thank you, thank you . obliterated two from the you. obliterated two from the manor. yeah >> bosh! get it in you right. i'm joined now by the man himself, jay chan . jay, you himself, jay chan. jay, you absolute legend. why the heck are you doing this? >> good evening. patrick. i'm basically. i'm doing this, for my past experience with pubs, i worked for marco longhi, former member of for parliament dudley that was called dudley north before the boundary change, that was when the crooked house, which is next to our constituency , got burnt down. constituency, got burnt down. and by that i started to learn about the pub heritage. i understand how important it is. i actually started doing this campaign on my first pub, when i started the whole thing in nottingham east. it's called the

olde trip to jerusalem, which claims to be the oldest pub in england , when i, you know, i met england, when i, you know, i met a guy in a dressed up as a chicken drumstick and as well as his friends, and i am amused by what they're celebrating. and, i suggest that maybe i should down two pints in return. them voting tory at the next local and general election , despite that general election, despite that being one of the safest labour seats in this country, and i did that and they cheered. they shouted, do it for the votes, do it for the votes. and that's when i realised how important pub is. they are green voters , pub is. they are green voters, labour voters, lib dem voters. i'm a tory, one of the, you know, probably the uk's safest labour seat. and, people cheered for me, that's how pubs are. they are part of communities. they are part of communities. they let people to have a good time and put down their differences and even have a good banter . that's why differences and even have a good banter. that's why pub are so important. when i learn about

the history , i'm deeply charmed the history, i'm deeply charmed by them. that's why to do that campaign, i want to have a better policy environment , better policy environment, overall for pubs around the country, up and down the country. well, this is good. >> so, so, so in to order do this, you've got to get to all 650 constituencies. i mean, how are we going to do that? >> well, i got to nine, except nottingham or in my own city in birmingham . so, i still got two birmingham. so, i still got two more to do in birmingham today. i've just done three, i do manage to have a complete, comprehensible sentence. so impressive for myself. i did have three. i did down three pints in three constituencies today, and i'm planning to do, more in around the west midlands. and, if anyone wants to support me on furthering this to support me on furthering this to even more areas, just transport me to. so you need people to take you. >> you're, you're you're hitchhiking basically across the uk. >> maybe . >> maybe. >> maybe. >> maybe. >> maybe i just maybe i just, you know, someone just said, can

you know, someone just said, can you drive, drive me to london and then i'll down a pint in every, every constituency in london, i consent, the cogs in my head are turning on this. >> i can i can sense us staying in touch on this one, jane. trying to trying to sort something out. but you know, the british pub is in decline. we're losing a ridiculous amount of pubs all the time. it's a real shame because it is a big part of british culture. it's not just the drinking , it's the just the drinking, it's the actress. what the pub represents. it's more than just the booze, right? it's really something, and so i think what you're doing is absolutely fantastic. and and look, good. good luck to you. how long are you hoping this is going to take you? have you got a time limit in mind? >> well, hopefully the boundary don't change when i managed to don't change when i managed to do half of it, you know it. well, the campaign really gains his objectives when enough constituencies are done. and we have got those five policies implemented, you know, in government. and that's why i've written to my, party leadership candidates to ask them , would

candidates to ask them, would you commit to those five just quickly? >> jay, sorry about this, mate, but we're a bit pressed for time. just rattle off very quickly for me if you can. what are these five policies, >> cut taxes and vat for pubs. pubs, food and drink are charged 20% of vat. that's not fair because in in supermarket, they're not, in term. protection for, pending listed buildings and strengthening right to bid local government should be encouraged, to help communities list their local pubs. oppose pub garden smoking ban and other policies that will diminish pubs, as well as totally ignonng pubs, as well as totally ignoring the interest of pubs. and number five, the basic principle of mps, politicians understanding and learning about pubs, knowing that they are important and listen locally and nationally to the voices of pub industry and what they're struggling at all right, i'd vote for you. >> well done mate, good luck , >> well done mate, good luck, look, let's stay in touch, i think i think that's something beautiful we will do here @gbnews with that. so you take

care, jay. all the best, mate. there he is. good lad. okay. >> i'm not going on television. >> i'm not going on television. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you're not allowed to drink illegally on air. otherwise we get sacked and, i don't know, someone burns the place down or something. but anyway. right sunday people says greatest britain union jack carroll. who's your greatest britain? >> i've kind of got a joint one. >> i've kind of got a joint one. >> it's two. it's alan bates post office campaigner and richard branson, because a few weeks ago, when alan bates was interviewed, he said, if richard branson is listening, i would love to have a free holiday. so branson, great guy that he is, jumped in and gave him his necker island for him to marry his partner, suzanne sir keir starmer. so they're holidaying in. can i say this place costs 40 grand a week? and branson said, i can't love anyone more deserving of a break. i can me okay. >> go on, »- >> go on, >> my greatest britain is princess catherine. as she's completed chemotherapy . and for completed chemotherapy. and for all the reasons we discussed moments ago. >> absolutely. okay. go on. jay. >> absolutely. okay. go on. jay. >> and mine is don shepherd, one of the few remaining d—day veterans who has died at the age of 104. and i was doing a little bit of research about him, as well as being at d—day. he was

also one of the soldiers who liberated the concentration camps. i think it was belsen that he liberated and talked very movingly towards the end of his life about the history that he lived in, a history that lots of people try and deny, deny today. so there's so few of them left. we absolutely have to celebrate our heroes. >> we do . and actually, i think >> we do. and actually, i think i might be in the best hat trick of people, but. but i have gone for the princess of wales today, so . so there we go. right. we're so. so there we go. right. we're gonna have to be quite quick. so who's union? >> keir starmer keir starmer, who said he removed maggie's portrait from his study because i don't like people looking down on me. >> get used to it mate, because the whole country is including your own labour mps and including your union paymasters. >> oh smarts. a bit, but yeah, go on. >> my union jackass is british pensioners. >> oh my god, just throw them out of studios. >> 2.5 million millionaire pensioners who want handouts from the state. i think it's wrong. >> you know, you really have to be one of them. >> so speaks the modern labour party. yes, my jackass is lee carsley. if you're going to be england manager, unbelievable. and you're going to take the

cash, sing the bloody national anthem . anthem. >> end of it is absolutely unbelievable. you know, day one, to how lose a nation. yeah. remarkable. >> they should have sacked him before the even the game started. >> free speech labour union. >> free speech labour union. >> jackass. here's the union jackass. lee carsley just sing the national anthem, mate. i mean, come on anyway. right. thank you very much. i've thoroughly enjoyed , being back thoroughly enjoyed, being back with you. there was a minor issue at nice airport earlier this morning which involved me landing at 10:20 am, and then emily managing to make it on air at midday. but all in all, it's been a long day, but a good one. so thank you very much for being a part of it. thank you, thank you, thank you. i will see you tomorrow at 9 pm. for a little bit more of this raucous madness. headliners are up next. for more in—depth look at all of tomorrow's newspapers, stay tuned. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> hello and welcome to the latest update from the met

office for gb news. some clear spells overnight and a cool night compared with recent nights, but it is turning increasingly unsettled towards the north of the uk, with weather systems arriving from the atlantic. it's not something we've seen for a week or so, and that means heavy and at times persistent rain across scotland, northern ireland, northern england and north wales through the night . cloudy skies england and north wales through the night. cloudy skies sinking south as well. but we keep some clear spells towards the east midlands, east anglia, south east england 11 or 12 celsius first thing here, but high single figures, low double figures, typically elsewhere and lower humidity compared with the last week or so. so a more comfortable night for sleeping, even if it is an unsettled start to tuesday with wet and windy weather sweeping through northern scotland. i think shetland and orkney could see some disruption from heavy rain and strong winds during the day , and strong winds during the day, as well as blustery weather for western scotland, northern ireland heavy showers and gusty

winds. an area of rain sinks south during the morning across northern england, reaching north wales and parts of the midlands by lunchtime. ahead of that, we've got thickening cloud for southern parts with a few showers moving into wales and the southwest. perhaps 1 or 2 developing later in the southeast. so effectively it's a showery day. but with some longer spells of rain at times. for example, the end of the day across southern parts, 19 celsius in the south, 11 in the far north and northeast with 50 per hour wind gusts and the wind coming from the arctic. now that arctic wind is going to sweep across all parts by

>> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines at 11:00. the chancellor has warned about difficult decisions to come on tax and spending cuts. dufing come on tax and spending cuts. during a meeting with labour mps. rachel reeves also told mps that she is not immune to concerns over winter fuel allowance plans. earlier, downing street said sir keir starmer's cabinet is united behind plans to cut winter fuel payments for millions of pensioners. it comes as leaders of two of the biggest unions have put further pressure on the government to soften its policy. mps will vote tomorrow on plans to scrap the payment. now the princess of wales has finished her chemotherapy treatment and said her focus is to stay cancer free. she made the announcement