>> it's 9 pm. on patrick christys tonight. the noes to the left, 348 a]. pensioners will now freeze to death this winter after labour scrapped the winter after labour scrapped the winter fuel payment. >> i absolutely hate the winter. absolutely hate the winter. the arthritis is badly affected by the very, very cold weather. >> 53. gutless labour mps abstained. only one voted against sir keir. so will starmer and reeves have blood on their hands? plus >> keir starmer. i am because i'm a big labour. oh really? yeah. big labour supporter. i'm out with the old. in with the new. it's been too long anyway. >> i think smoking cannabis outside the prison gates as labour let the lags out . are labour let the lags out. are they on the side of criminals?

also . look your tax money could also. look your tax money could go towards germany sending illegal migrants to rwanda. the germans also closed their borders to stop islamist terrorism. why can't we just do the same? >> and the result of that mel stride is eliminated from the contest. >> mel stride is out. the final four battle it out to be the next tory leader . robert jenrick next tory leader. robert jenrick leads the race and you think you just fell out of a coconut tree ? just fell out of a coconut tree? it's trump versus harris . live it's trump versus harris. live on gb news at 2 am. we preview it on my panel this evening. it's columnist and broadcaster esther krakue. the glorious return of ex tory deputy chairman jonathan cate hollis and a first timer on my show. anyway, labour activist susie stride. oh, and can you spot the terrifying thing wrong with that aeroplane ? anybody? okay, get aeroplane? anybody? okay, get ready britain. here we go .

ready britain. here we go. sir keir shiver and rachel freeze as labour sentenced the elderly to death . next. elderly to death. next. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines. just after 9:00, millions of pensioners will lose winter fuel payments after the conservative motion to stop labour's plan to slash the payments was defeated. >> eight the noes to the left 348. >> a total of 53 labour mps abstained on the vote, while labour mp jon trickett was the only rebel. the prime ministers defended the cut , calling it defended the cut, calling it a tough decision needed to tackle a £22 billion deficit, but

critics, including some labour mps, warned it could force millions of pensioners to choose between heating and eating. despite the backlash, the government insists the cuts are necessary to secure the foundations of the economy . now foundations of the economy. now former cabinet minister mel stride has been knocked out of the conservative leadership race after receiving just 16 votes. >> mel stride is eliminated from the contest and the following four candidates the former immigration minister robert jenrick finished top with 33 votes, with kemi badenoch second on 28, while james cleverly and tom tugendhat both got 21 votes each from tory mps. >> in other news, thousands of prisoners could be placed in taxpayer funded hotels as more than 1700 inmates walk free today in an effort to cut overcrowding in jails. there have been reported scenes of prisoners greeted by celebratory showers of sparkling wine as friends welcome their release outside prisons across the

country. the justice secretary says probation staff have been authorised to use budget hotels if needed, after concerns were raised about reoffending because some inmates are unprepared and face homelessness. shabana mahmood insists the early release scheme is temporary, giving the government time to reform the prison system. a coroner has ruled that there is no clear link between the appearance of a guest on the jeremy kyle show and his cause of death . 63 year old steve of death. 63 year old steve dymond was found dead at his home in portsmouth in may 2019, seven days after taking part in the show. hampshire coroner jason pegg said there was an absence of reliable evidence that the events on the show directly led to his death , and directly led to his death, and with just eight weeks to go before the us election , before the us election, republican candidate donald trump and democratic vice president kamala harris are set to face off in their first and only debate tonight. both candidates are neck and neck in

key battleground states, but the debate could be critical for harris, as polls suggest many voters still don't know much about her. trump's team is urging him to focus on immigration and inflation, while harris is expected to attack the former president's record on abortion and the capitol riots. and you can watch all the action live overnight here on gb news with america decides trump versus harris starting at 2 am. those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to patrick for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> sir keir, chevron, rachel freeze could have pensioners blood on their hands this winter. they've cruelly cut the

winter fuel payment to save around £1.4 billion, money that's already been spent more than twice over, so they could pay than twice over, so they could pay their union mates. this was the moment labour officially consigned some pensioners to a freezing cold death. >> eyes to the right. 228. the noes to the left 348. kjt >> and don't take my word for it that pensioners will die. take the labour party's own report that revealed as many as 4000 old people could be killed as a result, just one labour mp voted against it. jon trickett, 53. gutless cowards abstained, including diane abbott, apparently of all people. they obviously feared losing the labour whip more than the threat of elderly people shivering to death in their own homes. this winter. the leader of the snp in westminster, stephen flynn, even said he saw a labour mp punch the air. there you go with delight when the winter fuel

payment was scrapped. one of the elderly people who will be sitting in their living room wearing a coat, hat and gloves this winter, is a 99 year old world war two veteran. his name is jim o'dwyer. world war two veteran. his name isjim o'dwyer. he world war two veteran. his name is jim o'dwyer. he flew 31 missions on lancaster bombers dunng missions on lancaster bombers during the war, only for sir keir and rachel freeze to rip his winter fuel payment away because he happens to have a small private pension. it's a disgrace . the sad fact is this disgrace. the sad fact is this is a political decision in my view. this is a punishment for the elderly because pensioners don't tend to vote labour. but i tell you who is much more likely to vote labour? newly arrived refugees. here's what the local council gives refugees from afghanistan and syria in richmond and wandsworth, okay, they pay landlords six weeks rent in advance. they pay the council tax, they help furnish the property. they help them apply for all relevant welfare benefits and universal credit helps them register with a gp, a dentist, even takes them to hospital appointments. they make regular home welfare visits,

even takes the adults to the jobcentre. so all of that stuff. now, i'm not saying that those people don't deserve support, but what i am saying is, where's that level of support for our pensioners? maybe that world war ii veteran could nip round to a refugees house to keep warm this winter. but honestly, what kind of country are we living in? let's get the thoughts of my panel let's get the thoughts of my panel. we've got columnist and broadcaster esther krakue got the former deputy chairman of the former deputy chairman of the conservative party, jonathan cate hollis, and labour party activist susie stride. and esther, i'll start with you on this. look, you know, this is, i think, a terribly bad look for labour at the moment. >> well, it's a question of priorities. it's kind of like sort of the adding vat onto private school fees and to get maximum £1.7 billion, even though if you have a certain percentage, i think just 10% of privately educated kids going, you know, public that cost the state actually more. and there's, you know, a deficit of over 4000 teachers every year. it's the same case here. you're

only saving £1.4 billion, but you're spending £5 billion on a broken asylum system, for example . and these are the example. and these are the things that people are struggling to understand. the argument here is that , you know, argument here is that, you know, 27% of pensioners have a net worth of over £1 million, but that's that could be the value of their house increasing that they have no control over. so now should they sell their house or make themselves homeless so that they can they can pay for rising fuel payments. it's very hard when you attack or when you you seem to cut the benefits of pensioners because they have no other means of earning an income. they're not young people, they're not mobile. they don't have that option. and the real issue that labour has, and it's kind of sort of mimics the problem that, holland had in france, which made him very unpopular. he's changing too much too quickly and demonstrating that his priorities are in the wrong place. and it's just bad news upon bad news. it's also the hypocrisy of him standing at the despatch box and trying to slam rishi sunak for even thinking about doing this quite a while ago. >> but jonathan, do you think it's as simple as actually in this country you get a better dealif this country you get a better deal if you're a refugee than you do if you're a pensioner. >> well, what i would say is

that i think we have a social contract with pensioners at the end of the day, people who have contributed to the system have probably never taken out in many cases in this regard. and this is the first time they get a bit of something back £300, you know, in stoke on trent, 47,500 pensioners in an area like stoke on trent, one of the most economically deprived parts of the country, people who won't have assets worth millions of poundsin have assets worth millions of pounds in terms of values of property and won't have millions of pounds sitting in bank accounts to be able to access about to lose £300 when energy pnces about to lose £300 when energy prices sometimes about to be like £8 over the threshold to lose it. >> and it's very arbitrary. and the question is where do your priorities lie? because if these are the kinds of people that you're targeting, okay, then who's next on the top to back you up on the refugee and asylum situation? >> you know, stoke on trent was the fifth largest contributor to the fifth largest contributor to the voluntary asylum dispersal scheme. that means we've had an awful lot of pressure on our social housing. we've got school places taken up with multiple teaching assistants requiring to speak in multiple different languages in order to be able to aid those students. we've obviously also having to pay to bus kids out of the city in

order to be educated, all at the local council taxpayers expense. exactly. pressure on the nhs as well, including that, you know. yes, in my opinion, it feels like if you come over to this country illegally, you get on there with your tiktok, waving your cash around in your 4 or 5 star hotel. everything funded meals included. yeah. if you're a pensioner, we can't even do the decent thing. is that fair, then, susie? >> i mean, is that is that a fair thing to say that at the moment in this country, you're more likely to get your heating bills paid for and all of that stuff and get looked after if you have come here illegally as opposed to, you know, we've got a world war ii veteran there. >> i mean, look, i looked at that article that was sent over, and look what you're talking about there. those refugees are about there. those refugees are a vast majority of them are those that are in afghanistan. help the british army. so these are translators. these are people that helped the british army. and if they were left there, they would have been assassinated, murdered , assassinated, murdered, tortured. and they helped our army . and so for me, i think army. and so for me, i think that's absolutely right. this is

when you watch films in like 20 years time and people say, how did your government just leave those people behind? sorry, i don't want to. i don't want a country that leaves those people behind. and so when you look at that, that scheme that you were looking at, that, that targets, refugees from afghanistan that helped the british government, that if they were left in afghanistan would be murdered, would be tortured . so that's one would be tortured. so that's one thing. what's going on with pensioners that ultimately look, keir starmer, rachel reeves, jonny reynolds , these guys did jonny reynolds, these guys did not come into politics to obviously cut, you know, the winter fuel allowance to pensioners. i mean no no no but and no no one wants to do that. but unfortunately we're in a situation. i mean i'm not an economist and we keep hearing this number 22 billion black hole. and everyone's rolling their eyes. and i understand that i don't know the full ins and outs, but ultimately the fact is we have you know, we have a difficult economic situation here. so we can't do everything that we want to do. and we're having to do things that we don't want to do. and i think that's the situation we're in. but i think it is really

important to put it in that wider context of saying, well, energy bills are going to be coming down, but this is difficult, right? >> because labour still decided to borrow £3.1 billion to pay the unions and this is the thing, i mean, to lobby 11 billion train drivers, train drivers are now going to be seeing more money than a junior doctor would, would even dream of making in ten years. >> the first ten years of their career. that's that's the kind of the reality is they're making choices. yes. we're in a difficult situation. but when you make a choice that seems to have such a small sort of benefit to the country, that's when people get angry because clearly your priorities are ofwat £1.4 billion in the scheme, 1.7 billion maximum potential for the vat schemes . potential for the vat schemes. but what what is the what is what is the knock on effect? potentially you know, thousands of pensioners dying right, overwhelming the public, the state's education and having more teachers fleeing. this is the this is what people are questioning. why are your priorities so out of line. that could actually worsen the situation? >> this is what i would argue makes it look overtly political. so they've looked at the demographics. they've thought people who send their kids to private school, by and large,

demographically, are probably not going to vote. labour they've also looked at the age demographics. those people probably do not vote labour, and they've hammered them and they've hammered them and they've hammered them and they've hammered them, and i do wonder whether or not they are lying about that. but jonathan, i will throw this over to you. you've been in a position, no doubt, where you've had to vote for things or abstain from things where you've not been particularly happy with it. i do understand that there is an element of that that is just politics, right? however 53 labour mps today abstained from this vote. some of them had the gall to come out and say, oh, well, you know, i had a pre—planned dental appointment. i'm sorry about that. a pre—planned dental appointment. i couldn't have voted with the government. well, all right, we're not saying you would have voted against it. are you? just one singular labour mp had the bottle to vote against this today. he'll lose the whip. starmer would not have stripped the whip of 55 mps. he couldn't have done that. so they actually just bottled it, didn't they? >> well, totally. at the end of the day, look. yes there are times you have to make difficult decisions, but as a politician you also have to be able to look at your constituents in the eyes and make decisions. you know,

take decisions that you think is right, something you can go to bed and sleep at night. and jon trickett himself has actually said he will sleep soundly tonight. sure he will, knowing the decision that he's made. and i'm shocked that people like diane abbott, who were very vocal on these type of issues. in fact, even labour mps like gareth snell, who is the stoke central mp in 2017, was busy holding up. i think gb news actually has the graphic which actually has the graphic which actually says on there that he promises he signed it himself not to cut the winter fuel payment in back in 2017. so what happened to gareth in 2017, and why is gareth in 2024 willing to risk thousands of pensioners lives in some way, like stoke on trent central again, one of the most economically deprived parts of the country? it is disgusting, it's shameful. it's callous, it's cowardly. and those labour mps had a real moment. and jacob rees—mogg talked about it on his show yesterday. if you go in force and go in number, you can force your leader's hand and there was an opportunity for them to act as one. >> i'm sorry, i personally just to say i find it all a bit hypocritical. okay because i mean, not personal to anyone here, but i look at the conservatives and i sat there for 14 years like i've worked front line in one of the most

poverty stricken areas in east london. and i saw a conservative government, you know, destroying libraries, youth clubs, children's centres, the nhs, lots of people died because conservative mps went and didn't vote to properly invest in the nhs, to properly invest, you know, in lots of frontline services. and so look, i understand i'm, i agree, you know, this is an uncomfortable decision. do i think it's the right decision? i don't know you know, what would i do. i'm not a labour mp i'm not sure okay. but we do have to make tough decisions. and just to say, if we weren't making this tough decision, we'd be having this conversation. we'd be saying, well, the labour party aren't facing up to reality, are they? but what i think is really important to say, and what i will not allow the conservatives to get away with, 14 years of they went through those chambers, you know, and the number of things they cut and the lives that were destroyed, even mental health. i'm sorry. we've got mental health crisis. and one of the reasons why we've got that crisis is because the decisions a conservative government made, i disagree with mental health. >> it's tough. >> it's tough. >> it's tough. >> it's a tough decision when

labour does it, but it's criminal and destroying lives when the tories do it. surely it's just bad across the board. that's that's i don't see a hypocrisy here because we're not arguing across party lines. we're talking about people and we're talking about people's lives and we're talking about people, people's livelihoods and how to, to, to foster a better, healthier society. if you're saying, oh, it's uncomfortable because labour is making a tough decision, but when the tories do it, it's criminal. then whose side are you really on? >> can i just say sorry? it's only hypocrisy when you've got conservatives saying, oh no, this is terrible. this is what you just did for 14 years. >> this is what the hypocrisy of someone like stoke on trent, which is labour, built a pfi hospital that takes £20 million a year from the front line and has actually not seen any improvement in health outcomes. when a labour council has decided to close libraries, when actually the conservatives have refurbished and reopened them somewhere like tunstall town hall, for example, when it was the conservatives that secured 56 million for levelling up fund, more investment into our high streets, into our city, then secured under any labour mp, labour council and labour government in history. labour allowed stoke on trent to rot. i think they only got back in because voters sat at home or

went to reform and i promise you this think about the city. >> can i just say you're always going to have an example of where, okay, the conservatives built one library. well done. the fact is, across this country we built the hospitals, we built the schools, and there isn't there isn't a debate there. i do agree with you on pfi. i thought that was a very poor. >> now, thank you very much. it's a lively start and it's a, it's a it's a cracking, cracking way to kick off the show. a spokesperson for richmond and wandsworth council said richmond council provides support as part of the resettlement scheme established by the government for afghan, syrian and ukraine sanctuary seekers. the funding for this support is provided by the government for these cohorts. it's a private rented scheme and properties are put forward through the generosity of our residents and by working with local landlords. yes okay. the argument, i think, still stands as to whether or not we do treat refugees better than we are currently treating pensioners. but still, to come, kamala harris and donald trump go head to head for the first time in just under two months before the country decides former trade adviser to bush and bill clinton, steve gill, joins me later to discuss what we can expect. but next, former chief inspector of prisons nick

hardwick, he's going to go head to head with political commentator jess gill on whether labour have chosen to make our streets less safe. they've let the lags out today, haven't they? they made a lot of crims very happy.

welcome back to patrick christys tonight we're only on gb news. is labour on the side of

criminals? it's time now for a head to head . well, i asked that head to head. well, i asked that question because labour have released onto our streets more than 1700 prisoners due to the overcrowding crisis, which some are absolutely ecstatic about . are absolutely ecstatic about. >> i could . >> i could. >> i could. >> almost everyone's been happy today, i'm sure. coming out though, isn't it? yeah. there's been a lot of happy people faces in there. yeah, yeah, yeah. >> so you're you're grateful to labour and you're grateful to the 100%. >> yeah. i'm labour vote labour all my life. yeah. labour's labour's one. >> yeah obviously. and here's the justice secretary justifying the justice secretary justifying the government's actions. >> if we had not done this we faced courts unable to hold trials, police unable to make arrests and a total breakdown of law and order. this is not the long term solution. there is more that we must do, but it was

the necessary first step that we had to take following the disgraceful dereliction of duty by the previous government. >> just let that sink in. how orwellian that is. all right, in order to make you safer, we've had to release criminals. order to make you safer, we've had to release criminals . okay. had to release criminals. okay. but as a result of labour's decision to do this , have they decision to do this, have they chosen to make our streets less safe? let's have a little look, shall we? gbnews.com/yoursay is where you can get in touch or @gbnews on twitter. go and vote in our poll. going head to head on this is the former chief inspector of prisons, nick hardwick, and political commentator jess gill. both hardwick, and political commentatorjess gill. both of commentator jess gill. both of you.thank commentator jess gill. both of you. thank you very much. well, look, where possible, i always try and do ladies first. so, jess, i will, i will, i will throw it over to you. first and foremost. do you think labour have chosen to make our streets less safe? >> well, first of all, thank you so much for having me on, patrick. i think labour have absolutely chosen to make our streets less safe. i mean, time and time again we see that labouris and time again we see that labour is willing to sacrifice. the more the most vulnerable and conservatives for that matter as well. i don't want to let them

off the hook, but the political class has chosen to sacrifice our most vulnerable for the sake of criminals in to order turn a blind eye, whether it's because of inconvenience or because of political correctness. at the end of the day, why aren't we deporting the thousands of foreign nationals? why are they in our prisons already? i think that's a much wiser move than just let let prisoners on our streets . i think that's streets. i think that's ridiculous. and as a young woman, i already don't feel safe when our streets. and this is just going to make it worse. >> yeah. no, a couple of very strong points there. i must say, nick, i think loads of people's concerns are everyone can see this going badly wrong. right. you've got those people there walking out of prison, one person, our reporter said, just sparked up an absolutely massive cannabis joint as soon as he was out of prison. just outside the gates, you've got bottles of champagne being popped there, you know? i mean, they're going to be back inside soon, aren't they? >> yeah. well, i'm not here to speak on behalf of the labour party, but i do think on this occasion they didn't have any alternative. one of the reasons is that the prison system is a

complete mess. right what do you think happens when people leave prison like before today? 50% of those who serve sentences of less than a year reoffend within a year , 30%, about a third of a year, 30%, about a third of all prisoners reoffend within a yeah all prisoners reoffend within a year. if you want to you it may be that people prisons do keep people safe when prisoners are locked inside. but given that we let practically all of them out at some point, if we're not doing anything to address their behaviour while they're in prison, then when they come out, then people will be at risk. they are at risk, and we've got to sort the system out so we can try and reduce that. >> okay . i suppose just the >> okay. i suppose just the timing of it. it's quite interesting though, because we're having to put people in hotels now, as in prisoners in hotels. apparently they've not had time to tell the survivors of domestic abuse whether or not they're the perpetrator of the atrocity against them. was was even being released now. so it is a bit of a rush job to say the least, isn't it?

>> it is. it is a rush. i think m >> it is. it is a rush. i think it is a rush job. i think that most, prisoners who committed domestic violence offences aren't being released early, but i think it is a rush job. i mean, it is i wouldn't i wouldn't be doing it. i wouldn't want it to be in a position where it had to be done this way. >> sorry. >> sorry. >> the last government put off taking action. that's why we're stuck with it being such a rush. >> rush job. i will just i will just cut across you there because i understand nick, you're not deliberately and never would deliberately try to mislead anyone. i absolutely, 100% get that. we were told that people were not going to be released to a domestic violence abusers. unfortunately, at least one of them that we know of has been because he's gone on record and he's actually only in prison for three weeks. he has 109 previous convictions, and apparently his partner was not told. so, you know, again, it's difficult to trust maybe what we're being told by our politicians there. but jess, you know, you look at those people coming out of prisons there and saying, yeah, i'm going to be a lifelong labour supporter. one of them was a young drug dealer, for example. now, okay, that

might be a joke. and okay, maybe they're not going to be the most politically engaged people who actually bother to go to a polling station the next day. but there is something to be said, i think, for whether or not labour are basically on the side of criminals here. >> yeah, i think that's an interesting point. i think this is just a slap in the face to victims in all honesty. i mean, as a domestic violence victim, myself, as a survivor myself, i understand how hard it is to go in front of the courts and go in front of you know, speaking to people about your experience and having the courage to do that, and then to realise that the person who you've managed to get justice in, putting them in prison is going to get an early sentence, is to let off the hook easily. i think that's absolutely disgraceful. and what doesit absolutely disgraceful. and what does it say to the women and men as well? because men are victims of domestic violence as well. but what does it say to the victims? i think it shows that if you want justice in our society, if you want to be safe, even just walking across the streets and being a victim of sexual assault or being a victim of domestic violence in your own household, it is not a

possibility. and the police and the justice system aren't going to do anything. >> okay, nick. >> okay, nick. >> well, at the moment, what's happening are unforgivably to victims of domestic violence and rape is they are they're the perpetrator is stuck in a court backlog for up to two years. and part of the reason for that backlog is that the prisons can't cope with people coming through the court system. so absolutely, victims have been let down and victims have been let down and victims have been let down and victims have been let down because politicians, i think going back a long way of both parties, haven't made the tough decisions about matching the work that's required to the resources they've got . and so, resources they've got. and so, like victims, let's be clear , like victims, let's be clear, victims, victims of domestic violence are kept waiting up to two years for the trial that will see their perpetrator put behind bars. and the reason for thatis behind bars. and the reason for that is that the prisons can't cope with the people. nick.

>> nick. on that, on that we have, roughly speaking, around 10,400 foreign nationals in prison. that apparently equates to about 1 in 8 prisoners. could we not just get rid of them and free up a heck of a lot of space? nick i think we should send more foreign national prisoners back. >> i think we should send as many back as we can. i don't think that's going to be done within a few weeks. i hope that is something that the new government will address. don't forget, though, it won't really help with the numbers problem because of course there's lots of countries that want to send brits who've committed offences abroad back here. so i think it would probably in the long run, even itself out. >> okay. interesting take actually not particularly thought about that, i must say. and jess, i'll just give you the final word to you on this. what would your message to keir starmer and anyone who's there in the ministry of justice be after we saw those people, you know, wandering out of prison gates today to be greeted by, you know, some of their, their counterparts, shall we say? >> yeah. i just want to comment

that it's an absolute joke, that the idea that prisons are overcrowded again, the reason why prisons are overcrowded is the fact that we've allowed foreign nationals. i don't think anyone who was born abroad should be in uk prisons. why should be in uk prisons. why should the taxpayer have to pay for that? and also, maybe if the police and the justice system wasn't so focused on arresting people for sending mean tweets, maybe then they'd have more time to focus on actual victims. >> okay. all right, well, there we go. look, both of you. thank you very much. i mean, it's proper head to head. it's exactly what we're after. so good luck to both of you. i hope to chat to you again very, very soon. as the former chief inspector of prisons, nick hardwick there, and political commentator jess gill, right. okay. all right. so what we're going to be covering next is donald trump and kamala harris going head to head in their first presidential debate. that's live on gb news overnight. so it's going to be from 2 am, as you can see on your screens there. tom harwood presents america decides trump versus harris live from 2 am. how will he stay awake for that? so who do you agree with? have

labour chosen to make our streets less safe? that's in light of the debate we just had gareth on. x says the ones voting no are the prisoners who have been released. okay. fair enough. barry says the tories made the mess. no good blaming labour for trying to sort it out. what other options were there? if prisons are full and violent, the thugs need to be incarcerated, not i barry. i will slightly push back on that mate. we were able to get the nightingale hospitals up and about pretty quickly, weren't we? during the pandemic we were. i think most of them stayed empty, you know. could we not do something similar for prisoners? i don't know, maybe it's a staffing issue, to be fair, but john says it's shocking. i don't know how how we will be able to sleep with all these criminals being let out. well, quite. your verdict is in 89% of you think that labour have chosen to make our streets less safe. 11% of you say they haven't. so coming up, germany announces an immigration crackdown. just after keir starmer warned them about what's happened over here. will they make the same mistakes as us editor in chief from brussels report? peter klepper

joins me soon. just to clarify on that. so germany shut the borders and they're also apparently going to be using facilities that the british taxpayer has built in rwanda to deport people to rwanda. all right. so conceivably we've paid to sort out germany's migrant problem. but that's a classic of the genre, isn't it? next, though, former trade adviser to bush and clinton, steve gill, joins me to talk about we can expect the presidential debate this morning. stay tuned

welcome back to patrick christys. tonight now, the race for the white house cranks up a notch as kamala harris and donald trump go face to face or head to head in their first presidential debate this evening, taking place at the national constitution centre in philadelphia this will be the first time the pair have actually met with each other, and only the second time that they've been in the same room. so this follows the downfall of president biden after his disastrous performance in the first debate with everything we have to do with, look , if we have to do with, look, if we finally beat medicare, i don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. >> i don't think he knows what he said, either. >> oh, gosh, remember that anyway. and now the pressure is on harris to outperform her predecessor. >> i am kamala harris. my pronouns are she and her. i am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit. i can

imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been. who doesn't love a yellow school bus, right? can you raise your handif bus, right? can you raise your hand if you love a yellow school bus? right. the bus has wi—fi and even usb outlets next to every seat . that's good stuff . every seat. that's good stuff. you think you just fell out of a coconut tree ? coconut tree? >> what is that laugh ? it's. >> what is that laugh? it's. anyway, harris is currently ahead of trump in the national polls, supposedly by a 2.8. lead, but the stakes are high and what can we expect from tonight? joining me now to tell us a bit more is former trade adviser to bush and clinton, steve gale. steve, i'm hoping you might be able to shed a little bit more light on me on this. i mean, the polls do vary. is that accurate, then, that harris is slightly ahead of trump? >> not really. in fact, the latest new york times siena poll has trump slightly ahead. now, keep in mind this is a poll that at the same time, four years

ago, joe biden was leading by ten. in this poll. and you had hillary clinton leading by about 8 or 10 points at this time. and obviously, that's not how the results ended with that kind of number. keep in mind also that this is really a patchwork quilt election. it's state by state. there's really about eight, maybe nine states that are really in contention. winning the national election doesn't matter. you have to win state by state and harris's problem is that in these key battleground states, she slipped behind there, which puts, as you mentioned , the pressure is all mentioned, the pressure is all on her in the debate tonight. >> well, talk to me about how we see this debate going, okay. because, you know, trump can be a bit hit and miss. kamala harris, i'll be honest with you at times, seems completely unhinged. so, i mean, what how is it going to pan out? >> well, putin finds her laugh endearing. that's why he's endorsed her in this presidential race with a tongue firmly planted in cheek. i think both of these candidates have to act against their default setting. trump has to be very disciplined no matter what the question is, no matter how they try to poke him or get under his

skin, whether it's the moderators or her, he has to constantly talk about inflation, the economy, and illegal immigration and be very disciplined and not, you know, try to throw punches and get too aggressive. harris, on the other hand, has to be against type. she has to appear coherent, smart and likeable. i'm not sure she could achieve that. so both of them are going to have to outdo whatever they've done as their standard style. >> i mean, trump, i think, has got a relatively easy gig in the sense that aside from, you know, her not necessarily always being the most coherent person, she's technically in charge of the border. and we think we've got border. and we think we've got border issues over here. oh my gosh, what is going on with you guys ? beggars belief. and also guys? beggars belief. and also what the biden administration has done . i mean, there are some has done. i mean, there are some states in america now where if you are an illegal immigrant, basically you can get a 0% mortgage. you can get people who will help you pay your deposit for you. you can just get shoved onto the housing ladder. i mean, we think we've got it bad here overin we think we've got it bad here over in america. what the biden

administration has done when it comes to illegal immigration is absolutely insane . absolutely insane. >> well, cell phones, cash, i mean , apparently you can eat all mean, apparently you can eat all you can at the chicken , cat and you can at the chicken, cat and dog buffet in, in ohio. i mean, crazy stuff that's happening with these illegal immigrants. and again, you're seeing it in england, you're seeing it in italy. you're seeing it in germany. everybody's trying to react to it. and i think that foreshadows the importance of illegal immigration in this particular campaign. and we'll see how much it comes up in this debate. >> trump. trump could lose it. like, you know, he could he can be a bit hit or miss. he maybe would lose his rag, i don't know. and the optics of that could be quite bad for him. is it not fair to say that actually, you know, with kamala harris coming in as the kind of newbie replacing joe biden, i suppose there isn't. there is an element of momentum there. people are questioning . not to people are questioning. not to the same degree as was the case with joe biden. of course, people are questioning whether or not whether or not trump is the same man he was, what, eight years ago?

>> well, i think in that first debate, because he was subdued, because he wasn't aggressive. people took that as sort of a weakness, although that was the right strategy. let joe biden talk because it showed that he wasn't capable. i think the pressure, again, to use a sports analogy, if i'm playing soccer against man united and i'm the underdog, there's no pressure on me. the pressure is on them to beat me with kamala harris, though, because people don't know her. she has all the pressure she has to avoid any own goals, and she has to be aggressive without kind of overreaching. find opportunities and take advantage. but don't try to overdo what you can do. i think that's the same for both of them. >> i think she's going to go after him, isn't she? on the legal issues and on january the 6th, i think that's what she's going to go after for. so he should have answers for both of those things. really. so you would assume you would assume that he does. i mean, just final point actually, how does the, the quote unquote insurrection, which, you know, from some of the clips i've seen, i don't want to diminish some of the genuine wrongs that happened there. but for some of the clips i've seen, there were aspects of that that did look a bit more

like a guided tour. and what is trump, you know, is this still a big thing for the americans, or is it just stuff that whingy democrats moan about? >> i think it motivates democrats, but i don't think it's moving voters. and i think that's a lot of what these attacks on trump don't achieve. some of them are outright lies. claiming that he supported white supremacists in virginia, you know, claiming that he is going to ban abortion. those are things they make up to attack trump. and i don't think they're moving the dial. i think women are the key. and i think the question is, can kamala convince women that the issue of abortion is more important than when women are still the main ones that go to the grocery store when they see the price of eggs and bread and roast beef, when they go past the gas stations and they're taking their kids to soccer practice, the prices are twice what they were. if trump can keep coming back and hammering that, that's where he can win women's votes. >> steve, thank you very much. absolute pleasure. and no doubt you will be absolutely locked into the debate later on. so you take care, steve gill there, the former adviser to bush and clinton. now, don't forget, you can watch donald trump and kamala harris go head to head in

their first and i kamala harris go head to head in theirfirst and i believe kamala harris go head to head in their first and i believe only presidential debate. it's live on gb news overnight tonight the one and only tom harwood. he's presenting america decides trump versus harris live from 2 am. coming up as labour unleash more than 1700 prisoners onto our streets were the 10,000 foreign criminals who are locked up just given a free pass? why aren't we deporting them to make space for other criminals? i'll debate that with my panel soon. but next, germany's announced an immigration crackdown due to their islamist threat, and they're implementing a rwanda plan of their own, which we have paid for. the way, editor chief of the brussels report, peter cleppe, joins me right after

okay. welcome back . so like the okay. welcome back. so like the german government, okay. has announced plans to take control of its land borders in what it claims is an attempt to tackle illegal immigration, particularly from the middle east. so starting on september

the 16th, for an initial period of six months, the country will restrict access and increase powers to reject entries at its borders . despite being a central borders. despite being a central participant of the eu's schengen area, interior minister nancy fraser said we are strengthening internal security and continuing our hard line against irregular migration right? first our hard line against irregular migration right ? first off, you migration right? first off, you never had a hard line against irregular migration. angela merkel set the rot into europe a while ago and also it's not irregular migration, is it? it's illegal immigration. but anyway, the announcement comes just weeks after keir starmer made an official visit to germany to warn chancellor olaf scholz about the risk of a rise in the far right and encourage him to be progressive. so just the other day, the german administration suggested it might send illegals to rwanda to be housed in facilities that you, the british taxpayer, has already paid for. wunderbar. so despite germany being not only in the eu but also a mainland european nation in the schengen free movement area, it seems

that the german government is doing what we ourselves have failed to achieve, and that is presumably just going to ignore the echr, right? well, is britain's failure to address illegal immigration turning us into an international laughing stock? i'm joined now by the editor in chief of the brussels report, peter klapper. peter, thank you very, very much. and how is it that germany can close its borders and potentially deport people to rwanda in a way that we clearly can't here? >> well, there's a number of things. so first of all, germany has been implementing, limited border checks, after 2015. this was in the context of the big migration crisis. so this is nothing new. these checks were all in all quite limited. also, dunng all in all quite limited. also, during covid, you had checks that were a bit more stringent, so this is mostly, a measure that will, not do much, but is meant to send a signal ahead of

the state elections in the german state of brandenburg, where the, the, the populist right wing afd party is also likely to do. well. now, if you're talking about rwanda, well, basically rwanda should be called australia because this is the, australian approach. australia is the only western country that has successfully, for two decades now, managed to stop illegal migration and despite this, other western politicians, policy makers are unwilling to copy copy the model, even if australia. >> could. i just ask you on that, peter, sorry. sorry to interrupt you, but i think it's an important point, which is that one of the reasons why we've been so reluctant to do it is because we've had a ready army of lawyers who have told us that this is illegal. it's against everyone's human rights. you couldn't possibly go against

a ruling of the echr either. well, were the germans not receiving this kind of stuff now? would they just ignore the echr? what's going on? that >> well, surprise, surprise, it all depends how you interpret the law . so one of the leading the law. so one of the leading migration experts in belgium, the former constitutional court president, he actually taught that the uk, rwanda approach was perfectly in line with the european convention for human rights. basically, it depends whether you consider this case rwanda. safe for asylum seekers or not. and to be fair, you could take two interpretations, but, if you could find a place where people are safe, there's nothing wrong with outsourcing asylum, processing over there outside of the territory. this is what australia has done. it has destroyed the business model of these human smugglers , i of these human smugglers, i looked at the figures, you know,

30,000 people, around 30,000 people have died in the mediterranean sea while australia has been implementing its system, a system that was supported by both the right and the left. and you know, you could still say we want a lot more migrants, we want a lot less migrants. that's actually not it's not about being generous or not. it's about, you know, once you've set a number, once you've set the conditions under which people can enter you, this is the only way to actually then apply that democratic choice. >> and just just on that, peter, i'm very keen to try to understand what britain's reputation is like amongst our european friends when it comes to illegal immigration. and how do people, whether it's in germany or around mainland europe, think that we are deaung europe, think that we are dealing with this at the moment when we've had however many people coming across the channel 8000, i think this year, you know, we're putting them in hotels. we're buying council

housing for them, all of this stuff, i don't know what's the view of us from the continent ? view of us from the continent? >> depends who you ask of course, the left would, would describe, let's say, the previous uk government as brexiteers. that were, you know, experimenting with this heartless rwanda schemes, ignonng heartless rwanda schemes, ignoring completely the whole story about australia, but the right and these are more and more governments in europe would actually be more positive. you know, in april, ahead of the european parliament elections, they were up to 19 eu governments that were exploring outsourcing of asylum processing. now, to be fair, many of them said we don't want to exactly copy the rwanda model, but, yeah, at at heart, they wanted to do the same. of course, after the election, we haven't heard so much about that anymore. and now the german government is coming with this very limited border checks, which won't do much, you need

to, to basically negotiate with a country or a territory outside of your own territory. that's the only way. >> sorry. >> sorry. >> very, very quickly. very finally on this then, is germany going to have to be having to send people back into other neighbouring eu countries? i mean, what's that going to do for relations with the countries around them? >> well, that's of course not going to happen. austria, not australia. austria has already said that they will refuse any migrants that germany would push back and yeah, we have the so—called dublin arrangement in the eu, which requires, the likes of bulgaria, greece, italy to take back people that have originally registered for asylum there. >> it's not going to happen, right? >> it's not going to happen. look, peter, thank you very much. great to have your time this evening and all the best to you. there's peter klapper there of the brussels report, editor

in chief. coming up, the tory leadership race, one of the candidates eliminated today, mel stride he was booted out of the race by fellow mps. robert jenrick. he tops the bill. one of his supporters joins me soon. >> but next, you're grateful to labour and you're grateful to the 100% labour. >> labour vote. labour all my life. yeah. labour's labour's one. >> we have 10,500 foreign criminals currently behind bars. that's 1 in 8 criminals currently behind bars. that's1 in 8 people in our that's 1 in 8 people in our prisons, 1 in 8 people in british prisons were not born here. instead of deporting those, no, we'll just let some thugs out, won't we, to roam the streets. should we not just be implementing deportation to free up a little bit of space, stay tuned . tuned. >> for that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello. good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. a cold spell of weather to come through the rest of this week. a particularly cold

northerly wind will develop throughout the country overnight tonight and that will bring with it some blustery showers as well. the air is coming from the arctic, hence why it's quite so cold. we've got low pressure up to the north and east of the uk, so that's brought some very windy weather across northeastern areas of scotland, through the rest, through this afternoon that will move away to the east though overnight and so it will turn a little bit calmer for these areas but still quite a cold wind through much of the night and frequent showers across north and western areas. a bit more shelter further south and east. temperatures widely in the single figures, so it will be a chilly start to the day on wednesday, but frost will be limited because we do still have quite a strong breeze around and the winds will remain quite strong across northern areas of scotland in particular. some of these showers may start to fall as snow over parts of the grampians as well. just over the highest mountains. that'll be the first snow we've seen in quite a few months, and some of the showers moving into northwestern areas of england, parts of northern ireland could bnng parts of northern ireland could bring some hail, possibly some lightning, lightning and thunder. a drier start to the

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gb news. >> it's 10 pm. on patrick christys tonight . smoking christys tonight. smoking cannabis outside the prison gates. drinking booze, joking about re—offending. >> you're grateful to labour and you're grateful to the 100% labour's i'm labour vote labour all my life. >> labour's labour's one labour's let the lags out haven't they? are they on the side of criminals. >> also tonight the noes to the left 348 aj 53. >> gutless labour mps abstained. only one voted against. it will starmer and reeves have blood on their hands over the winter fuel payment cut? >> plus the result of that mel stride is eliminated from the contest. >> mel stride is out. not that

many of us had ever heard of him before the election anyway. the final four battle it out to be the next tory leader. robert jenrick currently leads the race, and i've got all of tomorrow's newspaper front pages with columnist and broadcaster esther krakow, ex—tory deputy chairman jonathan gullet and labour activist susie stride. oh, and can you spot the terrifying thing that's wrong with this aeroplane? i will tell you how that happened. get ready. britain here we go . ready. britain here we go. how long before one of starmer's convicts killed someone? next . convicts killed someone? next. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines. just after 10:00. millions of pensioners will lose winter fuel payments this year after an attempt to block the cuts failed in parliament today. a total of

53. >> the noes to the left 348. kjt a total of 53 labour mps abstained on the vote, while labour mp jon trickett was the only rebel. >> the prime ministers defended the cut, calling it a tough decision needed to tackle a £22 billion deficit. but critics , billion deficit. but critics, including some labour mps, warned it could force millions of pensioners to choose between heating and eating. despite the backlash, the government insists the cuts are necessary to secure the cuts are necessary to secure the foundations of the economy. former cabinet minister mel stride has been knocked out of the conservative leadership race after receiving just 16 votes. >> mel stride is eliminated from the contest and the following the contest and the following the former immigration minister robert jenrick finished top with 33 votes, with kemi badenoch second on 28, while james cleverly and tom tugendhat both got 21 votes each from tory mps .

got 21 votes each from tory mps. >> in other news, thousands of prisoners could be placed in taxpayer funded hotels as more than 1700 inmates walk free today in an effort to cut overcrowding in jails. there have been reported scenes of prisoners greeted with a celebratory shower of sparkling wine as friends welcome their release outside prisons across the country. the justice secretary says probation staff have been authorised to use budget hotels if needed, after concerns were raised about reoffending because some inmates are unprepared and face homelessness. shabana mahmood insists the early release scheme is temporary, giving the government time to reform the prison system. meanwhile, 31 people have been charged over last year's cardiff riots, sparked by the deaths of teenagers kyrees sullivan and harvey evans. the two boys died in a crash involving an e—bike after being followed by a police vehicle. 27 faced charges of riot , while vehicle. 27 faced charges of riot, while four are charged with causing or threatening

criminal damage. the defendants, aged between 15 and 53, are expected to appear at cardiff magistrates court in the coming weeks. and with just eight weeks to go before the us election, republican candidate donald trump and democratic vice president kamala harris are set to face off in their first and only debate tonight. both candidates are neck and neck in key battleground states , but the key battleground states, but the debate could be critical for harris as polls suggest many voters still don't know much about her. trump's team is urging him to focus on immigration and inflation, while harris is expected to attack the former president's record on abortion and the capitol riots . abortion and the capitol riots. and you can watch all the action live overnight here on gb news with america decides trump versus harris starting at 2 am. those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to patrick for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone,

sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gb news. >> com forward slash alerts . >> com forward slash alerts. >> com forward slash alerts. >> why are we letting prisoners ? >> why are we letting prisoners? on >> why are we letting prisoners? oh gosh, i'll start that again. why are we letting prisoners out early instead of just deporting foreign criminals today? 1700 offenders were let out . there offenders were let out. there was a party atmosphere outside hmp wandsworth . one of them hmp wandsworth. one of them walked out and immediately. >> i could . >> i could. >> i could. >> got stuck into the champers, didn't he? look at the state of that. i bet they're all voting laboun >> you're grateful to labour and you're grateful to the 100% laboun >> i'm a labour. vote labour all my life. yeah. labour's labour's one. >> one. >> and he's not the only one. a

20 year old drug dealer is also saying that he's a lifelong labour voter. now, i'm not surprised. having said that, forget the spliff and cheap fizzy wine at the prison gates. there's been a party atmosphere inside hmp wandsworth recently after a prison guard was filmed having sex with an inmate, while another looked on smoking something that looked suspiciously like cannabis. we are currently living in an orwellian world where the labour government is telling us that they are releasing criminals to make your streets safer. >> we could see looters running amok, smashing in windows, robbing shops and setting neighbourhoods alight in short, if we fail to act now , we face if we fail to act now, we face the collapse of the criminal justice system. >> right. so we're going to . >> right. so we're going to. we're going to let them out. okay. all right. do you remember when jess phillips stood up in parliament and made a point out of reading all the names of domestic abuse victims? >> sabita thanwani . yasmin begum . >> sabita thanwani. yasmin begum. satira. bebe sherry. bruce

helen. laurie emma. bailey ramona. steuer allison. nelson susan. ramona. steuer allison. nelson susan . florence. susan. florence. >> well , today, domestic abuse >> well, today, domestic abuse victims are living in fear that their abuser has just been released. now, one of those domestic abusers is reportedly jason hodgkinson. he attacked his ex—girlfriend in the street. it's not clear whether or not she's been informed of his release. jess phillips is going to need a longer list , isn't to need a longer list, isn't she? again, this is a choice by laboun she? again, this is a choice by labour. there are roughly 10,400 foreign prisoners in jail. that is about one in every eight prisoners, apparently. now, this was a point, actually raised in parliament. >> thank you, mr speaker. can the secretary of state explain why, when there are some 10,000 foreign criminals blocking up space in our jails, why aren't they being removed and deported

simultaneously saving the british taxpayer billions of pounds every year and having the support of millions of british voters ? voters? >> there'll be about 3500 more prisoners released early in the coming weeks. it is as clear as day that some of these are going to go on and commit horrendous crimes. labour has made gangsters, drug dealers, violent thugs , thieves and domestic thugs, thieves and domestic abusers very happy today. why not keep them banged up and deport the foreign criminals instead? let's get the thoughts of my panel on this tonight then. i'm joined by columnist and broadcaster esther krakue. we've got the former deputy chairman of the tory party, jonathan cate hollis, and labour party activist susie stride. esther is the answer, not just to deport the foreign criminals. >> well, that would be the most common sense answer, but unfortunately we don't have returns agreements for countries that have the highest number of offenders, mainly places like afghanistan, which i don't personally agree with. i don't understand why we don't have a returns agreement with with every country, because there's no reason to keep foreign

criminals, but there's also the slight issue of technicality. so, for instance , it depends on so, for instance, it depends on how long your prison sentence is for you to actually be automatically deported. so there is an i think it's three years if your prison sentence is under three years, you're not automatically deported. so those are for lesser crimes. and my issue is mainly with the probation service, because the probation service, because the probation service, because the probation service has been extremely underfunded. we know that recidivism rates are particularly high. if it's the person in question, has served less than a year sentence. so is the probation service ready and prepared to actually keep an eye on these people so that they don't commit more crimes? i find it incredibly ironic that jess phillips is, you know, who has been a staunch defender of women's rights, especially women who faced domestic violence. and yet somehow she's supporting this move. i find it very strange. >> i mean, it just doesn't happen, but it's mainly the probation service because i don't think an extra 10% of their sentence would have made that much of a difference. >> it's are these people going to commit crimes again? >> jonathan, you know, and this does go back to the tories as well. why have we got so many

foreigners in prison? supposedly it's 1 in 8 foreigners in prison? supposedly it's1 in 8 foreign prisoners at it's 1 in 8 foreign prisoners at the moment. >> well, look, we do need to deport and get these returns agreements and with countries like afghanistan, simply the germans are actually deporting people. illegal migrants back to afghanistan . so why on earth we afghanistan. so why on earth we cant? afghanistan. so why on earth we cant?it afghanistan. so why on earth we can't? it doesn't make sense to me. you can't play the echr card on that regard. maybe the human rights act is something that could be used in domestic courts in this country, but again, if thatis in this country, but again, if that is something that is a blocker, then it's the act of parliament to then really think keir starmer the labour party is going to do that. so i don't believe it, but i do believe the tories have questions to answer. we were increasing sentences, rightly so, for horrific offences. we were not building the prison places along at the same time. and look, whilst i therefore hold my hand up as a member of the conservative party over the last four and a half years, therefore bears some responsibility. there could have been nightingale style prisons built, we could have used disused army barracks. we could have used bibby stockholm type situations. you know, we did not have to get to the point where 1700 today and like you say,

there's still another 3000 to come down the line. we are going to see people go on to commit horrific crimes. we've already seen sir keir starmer sign letters to stop foreign national offenders being deported, which kept the plane grounded and some of those people went on to commit further crimes like violent assault, like drug offences. >> hold on. i think it's important to add a bit of context here this early release scheme has been going on since two thousand and seven, since gordon brown. so yes, while the tories do best and blame, this has been a problem that's almost 20 years in the making. why has no government got to grips with the fact that we don't have enough prisons? we're sentencing people longer and we're not deporting enough foreign criminals. >> the thing that i wonder whether or not keir starmer can live with on this is anyone can see that some of these people have just got out now are are going to go on and do some pretty horrible things. right. the reoffending rate is massive. they're obviously pretty chuffed to be out and about. if one of those people goes out there and kills someone. keir starmer how does keir starmer square that? >> i mean, look, we're in a situation where our prisons are severely overcrowded. they don't actually have another option

here. but i think there is a bigger picture, which is really important. and i don't think it is just building more prisons. i mean, we've just had this conversation, you know, i don't want to use the term broken britain, but there are lots of things about britain that are broken and actually are not acceptable, and also not where we want the future of this country to be. and actually, i don't know if we want to build more prisons. actually, i think we want to sort out some of these issues, you know, whether it is we want to make sure that, you know, parents are getting more support or kids that are born into homes where there's drug abuse or you know, big problems with mental health. you know, ultimately that's not a good situation, but there's no point in penalising the kids for it. we need to make sure that there is early intervention and support pastoral care in schools. i can tell you, because i've worked in that sector is poon i've worked in that sector is poor. it's not well funded, you know. and what's really the optimistic thing here is there is hope. we can turn lives around. i've seen young people that should have gone to prison , that should have gone to prison, not go to prison. i've seen lives rehabilitated. i've seen kids that were mugging. people

become teachers, you know, and this is possible, you know, like jamie oliver does his schools. and, you know, we sent one of them off to, you know, jamie oliver. and i think i'm not trying to say all these lovely, rosy picture, but actually, there's an alternative future for britain. and actually, it's not. building more prison places is important. probation service is important. probation service is being properly invested in is important . is being properly invested in is important. this is being properly invested in is important . this is not just important. this is not just about the conservatives, but i also think there's a there's a wider and bigger picture here. >> there is. but i do wonder, you know, as a, as a woman, i was thinking about the domestic abuse aspect. >> well yeah, i mean i think, i think she makes, she makes a good point because that kind of anti—social behaviour that comes with people that commit domestic violence against their partners, for example, the signs are there from a young age. so if you see the kinds of people that go to prisons, they're not publicly educated boys from chelsea. they tend to be people from lower socioeconomic class. i mean, i think it's like 40% of inmates have a reading level of under the age of 11. right? so these are people that would have low, low, well, reading abilities or skills, they're not highly educated. so the signs are already there. so there is that question. but for me now in this

situation that we're in right now, the question is what is an actual effective deterrent? because if you if you if you have been a victim of domestic violence and you've seen someone who's supposed to serve at least half of his sentence, only served 40% of his sentence, who could potentially come out has is not very highly educated, could potentially be homeless and all of that. how are we as a society addressing these concerns again, that would probably incentivise them to commit another crime. >> but we're also, you know, we're paying for it. apparently some of these people are going to be are going to be shoved in hotels. so, you know, it kind of paints a picture now, doesn't it really of, you know, these towns across britain where you've got one hotel over there that's got a lot of asylum seekers in it, one hotel over there has got a lot of prisoners in it. and you think, well, hang on a minute, what's going on? >> look, it feeds definitely into this idea that law and order is falling apart at the seams. and that's a very worrying situation, because if the public lose faith in our police and in our justice police and in ourjustice system, that only aids and abets the criminals themselves, able to prey on the vulnerabilities and the fears of the law abiding citizens. so i think it is a

huge concern. the decision's been made and it goes back to what esther was saying when we spoke earlier. this is a choice and labour are choosing at this moment in time to scrap the winter fuel payments from pensions. they're choosing, for example, with to stop some sale of some arms licences to israel, who is an ally in the middle east, which sends a signal to iran and china that we're willing to weaken an ally in a very precarious part of the world. and then we're now willing to release up to today, 1700, a further 3000 down the line of people who have committed awful offences, who are likely in cases to go on and re—offend, are busy celebrating it as if it's like, you know, winning the world cup. it is very worrying. these people have shown therefore very little remorse . they've probably not remorse. they've probably not gone through the system to actually improve. their educational outcomes are being put in hotels because they're just unprepared. >> so i don't think they were expecting it either. >> but where's the deterrent? susie. yeah, where is the deterrent now if you're out on the rob, you can almost guarantee that you're not going to get caught. you know, shoplifting has essentially been decriminalised in a lot of cases in this country at the moment as

it is. but let's think about more serious crimes, knife crime that's taking place, etc. you know, you've got people there. one of the guys that was released there has apparently got 109 previous convictions was currently in in this time because he beat up his ex—partner in the street and he was on remand for a while. so when he worked it out, the three weeks he'd spent in actual prison, it equated to the idea that he'd done 40% of his sentence. so so he could be allowed out. well, there's no, there's no, there's no deterrent for this guy not to just go and do anything again, is there? i mean, what message are we sending here? >> you know, if you're asking me, do i think this is you know, you know, something that i'm happy about? no, i'm not happy about this. anyone that's happy about this. anyone that's happy about this. anyone that's happy about this would be a strange thing to be happy about. this is not a good situation. but the thing is, is what is the answer? we've got to reform the justice system in this nightingale presence. >> presence. >> you know, we could we could do that. they were unused during covid. >> i mean, look, we could do that. but just just to say, i mean, i actually studied park criminology when i was at university. yes part of the thing is, yes, we do need to

have deterrence and we do need to have prisons, but we've just spoken about it. some of these kids come from homes where before they've had their mums wombs, their futures decided for them. i'm not cool with that. no, we need to have we need to make sure that we have a rapidly growing population. >> so i believe that maybe can we not do both? can we not do you know, more preventative stuff? absolutely. but also also acknowledge the fact that we have a massively, rapidly growing population here and therefore you do need more stuff? i mean, this is this is the failure of successive governments, no questions asked. >> but i think on the nightingale prisons, there's a bit of a logistics issue in the sense that we don't have enough prison staff. that's another thing. it's incredible that we don't have a scheme that naturally funnels people from the armed services, from the armed forces, for example, into becoming loads of that actually retains them for longer periods of time. but that's probably that's one of the main issues we actually don't have enough prison staff. you know, they can't they're not pop up shops. they actually have to have. >> i'll tell you what i'm desperate for. logistics is, is i absolutely love what el salvador has been doing. i don't care about the negatives. literally, whatever they are, they've targeted, they increased they've targeted, they increased the army by a third. they got they. therefore they used the army to work with the local police force. they knew the 70

000 people who were affiliated to gangs. they've gone out there, dragged them off the streets, put them into these supermax prisons. i don't care how long those people are in there for, perfectly frank, because crime has drastically dropped. and i promise you, there's a reason that man wins with over 80% of the vote. and if, god forbid, if starmer did this in this country, i tell you what he would be in. he'd be in power. >> well, i mean, can i can i just i just want to say on knife crime and it's really important because i know we talk about gangs, but some of this stuff has gone did go up under the conservatives because things like mentors, youth clubs, you know, community support workers and they may sound all softy softy. yes, we do need i mean no, no because you need both the most. you need prisons, you need police. you need to have lie—ins anti—social behaviour because ultimately that hits the poor. you've got to be tough on these things, tough on crime and the causes of crime. but you also need to have these other things that actually do work and do bnng that actually do work and do bring crime down. >> well, we're going to we're going to we're going to crack on. we're going to crack on. so coming up, tomorrow's front page at 10:30 pm. yes, i'll give you the full analysis from our press pack. but next, the tory leadership race saw another candidate eliminated. today, mel stride was booted out of the race by his fellow mps. robert

jenrick has topped the ballot. one of his supporters joins me next. stay tuned

for another domino falls in the tory leadership race. yes, that's right. as the former pensions secretary mel stride was booted out in the second round, receiving the fewest votes from mps. so the four

remaining candidates are this lot robert jenrick, kemi badenoch, tom tugendhat and james cleverly. they will take the campaigns to the conservative party conference at the end of the month, before being whittled down to two and facing the membership now . facing the membership now. robert jenrick topped the mps ballot by a significant margin, and i am joined now by one of his backers, danny kruger mp. danny, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. right. so your man's done all right so far. why do you think he's so far ahead at the moment. >> well listen, all the candidates have got support among our colleagues. >> and whatever happens at the end of this, we're going to have to come behind the winner. and they're all doing well. but i'm pleased that robert's come top again in the second round. i think it's because he's got two distinct advantages . he because distinct advantages. he because of the position he's taken on migration. remember he resigned over the rwanda bill that i'm afraid, in my view, wasn't going to succeed in stopping the boats. he's demonstrated to those voters that we lost to reform that he understands how

frustrating they were rightly, about the government's failure on migration in the last parliament. but the other advantage he's got is there's a very experienced minister as a very experienced minister as a very capable and experienced parliamentarian . he can unite parliamentarian. he can unite our party. he stands for the common ground that brings all conservatives together. and i think his ability to win reform votes, but also to reassure our centre that he's a decent, respectable conservative. that's why he's doing so well. >> why is he better than james cleverly? >> well, listen, i'm not going to make, invidious comparisons with rob's rivals. i think, as i say, he said he stands for where we need to be, which is the right position on migration , but right position on migration, but also with the experience in government. >> why isn't just out of interest? sorry, just. but why doesn't james cleverly? because james cleverly was at the home office. he's had a relatively similar career. >> you'll understand. i'm not going to start denigrating other colleagues. i think rob is the best of the candidates for the prime. we've got all four people

who are still in this race are very good conservatives. they would be good leaders, and i'd be proud to follow any of them. but i think rob's the right one for our time at the moment. >> okay. all right. so what's his what's his tactics to victory going forward then. so we've got the conservative party conference. do we know how that's going to play out? i've heard a few different things about this that they're going to all try to or be told to do something every single day of the conference. i mean, do we know how that's going to go? >> we don't really know. i mean, it's a it's a conversation that's going on with the party at the moment. i think the good news is there is going to be maximum exposure. i mean, the danger has been, i think, before that there was too much anxiety that, you know, there'd be disagreeing with each other in public. i think a bit of disagreements legitimate, frankly, the party members deserve to see the, the rivals , deserve to see the, the rivals, you know, argue with each other politely on stage that i understand, will happen in some form. they'll have the opportunity to make speeches, they'll probably be interviewed, and there's going to be loads of opportunities to get out and about on the fringe around the conference. so i think there will be it'll be what we really believe in, which is a proper party democracy, with the

members given the chance to interact with their potential leader, test them out and have real conversations about the future of the party. >> what do you think is going to be the big issue as far as jenrick is concerned? because, i mean, you know, keir starmer has not got off to a particularly good start. he's down. i think i'm right in saying now about about —25 when it comes to popularity ratings, which is remarkable really because we started i think on plus six. so, you know, there's quite a lot for him to go out here. there is a real chance of actually having despite this whopping great big majority, a one term labour government , if anything so far government, if anything so far is to go by. so you know what? what's rob going in on day one? what's rob going in on day one? what's his. he looks across that despatch box and says prime minister. and then he kicks off at keir starmer. what is it? >> well listen, that's a very good challenge because you're totally right. and i'm pleased totally right. and i'm pleased to hear you said i totally think this, this labour government, it doesn't, doesn't deserve the majority . it's got that's for majority. it's got that's for sure. it didn't win it. and you've seen from the way they've carried on in the couple of months they've been in how weak their government really is. so

their government really is. so the point that rob has already been making very, very strongly is that they've lied to the british people about their intentions on tax. and now on this pensioner, fuel allowance. and they are clearly going to fail on the overriding mission that any government has at the moment, which is to get control of migration and to boost our economy, get productivity going again , reduce taxes to boost again, reduce taxes to boost enterprise. those are the things that i think as conservatives, we should be most concerned to see happen. and that's clearly not going to happen under laboun not going to happen under labour. i think rob is going to be able to take that battle to keir starmer very robustly, while also recognising, frankly, the public don't really believe conservatives. and we've got a big mountain to climb in terms of rebuilding trust in our party. so i hope that in a they'll do it in a way that conveys seriousness , conveys our conveys seriousness, conveys our understanding that we've got to change. so we have to change as a party. but i think we can do that. and i do think the public will be looking for an alternative to keir starmer very soon. >> well, yeah. i mean , the >> well, yeah. i mean, the latest polling that i have seen when it's in terms of keir

starmer going head to head with any of the tory candidates, so not just robert jenrick any of them at the moment, he is, he is way ahead of them . so, so that way ahead of them. so, so that is an issue. you know, if i was someone who was on the fence about whether or not to vote tory or whatever, i would maybe be having a look at this and thinking, well, hang on a minute. none of this lot actually are much cop maybe. >> well, listen, the public don't know what these candidates are like in that role yet. quite naturally, you know, let's not pretend we're more important than we are. we've just lost an election. the focus is on laboun election. the focus is on labour. they don't know these people, these these conservative candidates . well, what we've got candidates. well, what we've got to do, and it might take a little while is to demonstrate that we're a serious sober but very robust opposition to laboun very robust opposition to labour. and i'm confident that within a few months we'll be in a position to properly get the public's attention once again and turn the focus on labour's failings. i think robert jenrick will be the man to do that. he's got the resilience, he's got the expertise. he's very, very good in the house of commons, good in

the media and fundamentally, most importantly of all, he's got the right ideas . he got the right ideas. he understands how the country has changed over the last ten years. he understands the realignment in our politics that have delivered this huge vote to reform, but also losing votes in the centre. so i think he's the man who can construct a winning coalition again. but it is going to take time. it's going to take very hard work. i think he's the man to do it because the country urgently needs a better party than the one we're getting in government at the moment. >> and this goes for any candidate, by the way, not just robert jenrick, but, you know, you have to look at it at the moment and some of the early policies are probably just the opposite of what labour's done. right? which is not a bad not a bad start really, even when it comes down to things that might seem frivolous, but i don't think are things like, you know, reversing a ban on smoking in pub gardens, for example, that would play very well. so you know, there's fertile ground there for whoever comes in, i think, to be at the helm of the tory party going forward. but danny, all the best. thank you very much, especially at this late hour in the evening. so all

the best. danny kruger mp all right. so you've heard it there. he thinks robert jenrick is obviously the right man for the job. who do you think out of interest is going to have a few weeks to decide aren't we. but can you see donald trump and kamala harris? well, which one of them is going to be in the white house next? they're going head to head in their first presidential debate that will be live on gb news overnight tonight. the one and only tom harwood is presenting. now. it's called america decides trump versus harris. and it's live at 2 am. coming up though, i have got the very first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages . tomorrow's newspaper front pages. and we've got the old greatest britain at union jackass. oh, yes. and can you tell me what's happening here, please ?or ? or will. oh, very shortly. stay tuned

okay. welcome back to patrick christys. tonight. it's time to bnng christys. tonight. it's time to bring you the first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages. so let's do it right. we're going to start you with

the daily mail. they've gone straight down the line with this. they said who voted for all this afterjust this. they said who voted for all this after just 68 days? starmageddon prisoners soaked with celebratory bubbly won vows. he's a lifelong labour voter. another was greeted by friends in a lamborghini, all on the day that starmer's mps voted to axe winter fuel cash for 10 million pensioners. okay, next, the front page that we're going to go to is the guardian . pm to go to is the guardian. pm faces calls to aid the poorest as winter fuel cuts approved. dozens of labour mps refused to back the plan, targeting pensioners excuse me. the next paper we're going to be having a look at now is the eye starmer and reeves to push ahead with cuts after facing down rebel mps. the labour leadership is ready to pursue more contentious spending and tax decisions after defeating a rebellion on cutting winter fuel payments. it's interesting, though, isn't it, because it does really, seriously lend itself to the idea that if those 53 mps, labour mps who'd abstained, had voted against it, starmer then couldn't have slapped the whip off all of them because he wants

to do more and that would have reduced his majority massively and that would have weakened him. so they did have the power to potentially stop this today and genuinely decided not to. those mps , the express daily those mps, the express daily express mps revolt over starmer's shameful scrapping of pensioner payments. so this is a cross—party selection of mps that the express have brought together for their crusade, which is save winter fuel payments, not well, i don't think they can win that, unfortunately. but united we stand in winter fuel fight. let's go to the daily telegraph, president poised to lift ukraine missile ban. so joe biden is apparently poised to lift a ban on british storm shadow missiles being fired into russia by ukraine. so the president is considering changing his policy after it emerged that iran was arming russia with ballistic missiles that could be used in ukraine within weeks. it is a worrying potential escalation. >> do you want to bet that just before the elections, somehow this ukraine war would be settled , do you think? well, settled, do you think? well, that's the whole point of

escalating and arming ukraine to actually go into russia proper, to try and give them as much leverage to get the best deal. but again, this is why i say when you politicise things like the ukraine war, instead of suing for some sort of peace as soon as possible, you make it a political issue. so you make it revolve around the american election cycle. and that's what i feel uncomfortable with. how many thousands of lives have had to have been needlessly lost because we're now playing politics. yeah. >> i mean, i don't feel particularly comfortable about british missiles going into russia. >> well, yeah. i mean, the next thing you're going to see is putin live on air. well, because that affects britain, because that affects britain, because that affects britain, because that affects all of us. >> i don't want to see putin own ukraine. i don't want to see putin get any ground in ukraine. i don't want, but i also don't think i want british missiles being fired at moscow . being fired at moscow. >> i differ to go on. i've got no issue with it. i personally think that you have to show strength for too and long we've been appeased and apologised almost made the mistake of a 19305 almost made the mistake of a 1930s kind of approach where we just hope that the bad guys

would eventually learn to stop. and so if it's going to help ukraine make the case that they're willing to fight to the bitter end, it's going to put more pressure internally on the russian people. upon vladimir putin. if it's going to make sure we can take out some of the military targets that are being in russia that are firing into ukraine and using obviously iranian backed missiles, then i'm all for it. >> go on. yeah. no, i was just saying the positive. i'm just reading this story in the guardian, but just the positive for me. i've done quite a lot, just working with iranians in this country who have had to live through the there aren't words, actually, for how awful the iranian government is, but for me, anything that just exposes how evil that government is, you know, you know, torturing, killing children , torturing, killing children, torturing, killing children, torturing women, you know, hanging people, you know , every hanging people, you know, every third day because, you know, women had their hair out and all of this, you know, and there was a whole time when actually the papers weren't talking about it. and the government here wasn't. and the government here wasn't. and so i the positive for me is

that this does expose, you know, iran and i like that, you know, david lammy and the americans are putting tougher sanctions on them, you know, which this is things that should have happened two years ago. so, you know, there are positives. you know, in this. but, you know, it's also scary isn't it. you know. >> yeah, it is, it is. >> and it isn't. you know, it's the potential for escalation. you know, i absolutely take your point, jonathan. and there is very much a case for that. and i think it is a and i acknowledge the risk by the way of doing so where you are, you know, i do acknowledge the risk, isn't it? >> you know, i say this from the comfort of a sofa, not someone who serves in armed forces that might have to actually see brave men and women of our own nation. god forbid, have to engage in military conflict and therefore risk their lives and their families having to deal with the impact of that. so again, i acknowledge my sort of privilege almost in this situation of saying that as someone who's not on the front line, but i do think we have to show strength. and as long as we get the kind of deal soon, i just, you know, i just want to see it over with. >> and, you know, i'll be brutally honest about this. i want, i want to have to stop

spending taxpayers money over there. i do, you know, we've got a lot going on over here as well. i get that there is a necessary element to it at the moment. i'm not trying to that off, but what i am saying is i would quite like it to be an end to that quite soon. >> it's never a really good headune >> it's never a really good headline when you see, like, you know, the government has approved £6 billion in funding and then you're taking away winter fuel payments. so i guess i guess there is that element as well, not having to have headunes well, not having to have headlines and be like, but what about them? >> yeah. let's just whizz ourselves over to the daily mail because this actually ties in with with the tory leadership race to an extent because it says who voted for all of this? they say starmageddon. they rattle off a few things that starmer has done, all of which we all have already covered at length on this show. pensioners fuel allowance being slashed and the prisoners being released as well. there is a case to say who voted for any of this, because i don't think anyone did vote for any of this. and this is a bit of a problem for keir starmer, isn't it, >> i well, look, i don't think anyone did vote for this, but at the same time, you know, if you come into government, interestingly, like the conservatives did in 2010 and you have a difficult you know,

economic climate, you know, who voted for this? well, i didn't see all the tories, you know, campaigning against those cuts when all of those things happened, you know , and so happened, you know, and so people didn't maybe vote for this. but at the same time, i would say, again, you know, these aren't keir starmer rachel reeves jonathan reynolds, these aren't decisions they want to make. they have the, the, the financial situation that they have. they have to make tough decisions. and that's what everyone's hearing. but that's the facts. you know. and so ultimately but at one point, i think it is important to say this, keir is going to need to move into gear of hope, change vision. and that is going to thatis vision. and that is going to that is going to need to come. but i am going to say that i think it is going to come, you know, and are yet to see it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well, just let me stick around to see that. >> yeah. let me ask jonathan this because, you know, in light of the fact that keir starmer's approval ratings have nosedived quite significantly, quite astonishingly, actually, we do see here the tory leadership race jim mcmahon badenoch surge in the leader's race. >> so who are you backing at the

moment? obviously, former tory mp and former deputy chairman of the tory party. who are you? >> oh, hilariously, patrick, i always think a former mp has absolutely no real sway nor interest to anyone. but look, obviously i was running co—running priti patel's leadership campaign. obviously, sadly , we weren't able to sadly, we weren't able to succeed. it looks clear. i thought , that going into this thought, that going into this week, james cleverly had the momentum. i expected a cleverly genenc momentum. i expected a cleverly generic final two. i think it now looks like it will be a badenoch generic final two, and if that is the case, i will be lending my vote to robert jenrick, who i firmly believe has been able to bring together a broad coalition of conservative mps from across the party. you know, victoria atkins to mark francois. that is certainly a gulf to bridge in terms of the old sort of left and right within the tory party. obviously, he's been took a very principled position when it came to immigration and resigned from his position because he wanted to see more both on legal and illegal, specifically around the bill. but more importantly, i saw first hand what robert did when he was in the housing,

communities and local government role, something like kidsgrove getting 17.6 million through the town deal, building more homes than anything tory housing minister had done previously throughout 3000 300,000 homes. these are issues that are going to matter. these are issues that are going to grow. >> i mean, he also did have to resign because he sat next to a tory donor and there was a whole dodgy thing that went on there, which was also in the newspapers. so i massively question his integrity. but i don't know. i don't know any of them, but he's the one cake. >> this is the thing we always talk about. like, you know, we had like a labour donor having access to number 10 just because he gave the party half £1 million. i think whenever we see instances of this uncomfortable relationship between politics and power rich people basically buying access, we always say , buying access, we always say, oh, that makes this person a hypocrite. that's baked into the cake in our politics. no, i don't agree. >> i don't think you can have that. >> i'm sorry, i think i agree with it, but i think one of the great things about this country is we do not have high levels of corruption, and i don't think it's okay. >> what we do. if it came out in the news again, people would be like, hang on a second, james

cleverly would be a lord ally, is it? >> who's got had the access to number 10 a, a triple a pass, which meant that you could walk around and we don't know what meeting with the alan milburn, the former secretary of state for health, who's now got millions in a private health care system getting access to the civil servants as well. >> yeah, i'm not saying sorry. just so you know, i'm not i'm not sitting here defending. you're asking me. can i just say you're asking me about, jenrick? and i'm just saying to you, i don't think he's a man of good character. i'm not a tory, so i don't get a vote. i wouldn't vote for him. james cleverly, on the other hand, who i've met just on one occasion, long conversation with him, interestingly about a varne when he was foreign secretary, got a lot of respect for james cleverly. if i was a conservative, i'd give him my vote. personally, i think he's the best of the bunch. but you know, i don't get a vote to see because i think one of the things to consider, as i'm sure they are considering now, is right. >> look, you have to imagine it's starmer versus x at the despatch box. who gives starmer the biggest headache and that's that's that's what you obviously think. it's generic. but look i think. it's generic. but look i think there's arguments to be made. >> james cleverly is extremely personable individual, very likeable individual. and i think therefore has a boris

personality quality about him. i think when it comes to kemi badenoch or badenoch, i'm not sure that's a compliment. >> i think boris like personality. >> well, no, i think it actually is because i saw the cut through in places like stoke on trent north. like people flocked to him like i've never seen anything before with kemi badenoch she represents. i think, change in a real way. she's extremely punchy. she's long held beliefs on very core values and issues. i think that her versus generic final two will be a very tight race, but i do think that robert will be able to bring together a broader coalition of the conservative party. >> all right. we're going to have to we're going to have to find out, aren't we? right now, i've been teasing this clip all night. and here it is. two delta airline planes collided into each other on a runway at jaw—jaw airport, just as one was due to take off, and the collision caused one of the aircraft wings to be severely damaged, whilst the other was left with a severed tail. so thankfully as of now, no injuries have been reported, which i must say i do find quite hard to believe. but, yeah, the crew and the combined 277 passengers, both of them were fine . that is a bad day out, to fine. that is a bad day out, to be honest with you. if you want one of those, it's been happening.

>> i mean, i'm such a nerd. i follow aviation a lot, but this has been happening more and more in the us, particularly. and the. >> all right, okay. >> all right, okay. >> go into it later during the break. >> during the break coming up. yeah. we don't want to get sued or shot. coming up more from my press pack on my panel will give us their

okay. welcome back to patrick christys tonight. i've got some more front pages for you. so we're going to start with the metro. this is a it's a big jeremy kyle story. this so huge toll on me. by clear tv kyle okay. so suicide not caused by the show . this okay. so suicide not caused by the show. this is okay. so suicide not caused by the show . this is the coroner's the show. this is the coroner's report into the individual who took their own lives after appearing on the jeremy kyle show . we'll talk about that show. we'll talk about that a little bit more detail shortly. the mirror. hand in your phones. crews messages examined as bbc prose bullying and cover up claims grief. bbc staff were told to hand over their mobile phonesin told to hand over their mobile

phones in the strictly come dancing bullying probe. oh, so glad i don't work there for the bbc. okay, good. the times, the times tango kyiv is to get go ahead to strike deep into russia. we've spoken about this apparently british made missiles could be fired into the heart of russia. right. so there we go. look, those are all your front pages. i'm going to just focus on the metro here, right, and have a bit of a wider discussion about whether or not tv shows like the jeremy kyle show were ever morally okay. i will emphasise jeremy kyle has been completely clear. there was no link , apparently, at all between link, apparently, at all between this individual's death . who this individual's death. who came on the jeremy kyle show, took a lie detector test, failed the lie detector test, took their own life a number of weeks later. there's no link between that. the coroner rules and the fact that he was on the jeremy kyle show or anything that the kyle show or anything that the kyle show or anything that the kyle show did as it were. but obviously that show is now no longer on air. and that type of tv, the kind of jerry springer type tv really, that started in america and came over here. i think there's a big question mark as to whether or not

whether or not it's morally okay. >> i mean, why not? no one is coerced. i mean, as a matter of taste. it's not my thing. i must i must say that as a caveat, however, i do like if we're talking about sort of what's more harmful social media, without a doubt. i mean, you have 60 something year old bald, fat men online pretending to be 12 year old girls and preying on young on on young people. like, i mean, you have people that are getting abused and completely like, insulted on a daily basis on social media that's wrecking their mental health. going voluntarily on jeremy kyle to be yelled at by your toothless relative. for me, it's not like it's just scratching the surface. i don't have toothless relatives and they yelled at me. i'd tell them to go to the dentist. so you know, i have covered all bases, but okay, i can't cover that. >> so i must confess that i was. i avid watcher when i was growing up as a teenager , i went growing up as a teenager, i went to i found it amazing entertainment, which is essentially what it was designed for. look, jeremy is actually someone i consider a friend, and we know each other well, i've obviously seen the toll it's taken him and stuff like that. and ultimately i'm glad that he

has been cleared because ultimately, i do think that it was a quick pile to on try and essentially claim that there was somehow a link . clearly, when somehow a link. clearly, when someone chooses to take their own life and i've been open about my own mental health struggles and, and even attempts on my own life when i was a teenager, you know, people are making that from a different, a difficult base. and i think it's lazy to just presume there's been a lot of it was linked to somehow a tv show. i think there's been a lot of individual did choose to go on this show. >> what is what is it? duty of care. there's been a lot of misinformation about that, about like, sort of the staff. >> yeah. the aftercare team. >> yeah. the aftercare team. >> exactly. and you know, he got a clean bill of health before he went on the show. >> i don't know, ijust went on the show. >> i don't know, i just i went on the show. >> i don't know, ijust i mean, inever >> i don't know, ijust i mean, i never watched his programme and, you know, no comments on the guy particularly himself. but i just think we can do better as a country. like i've worked in schools with kids where bullying destroys lives. people get bullied when they're a teenager, goes all the way with them, you know, suicide. there's massive connections between people committing suicide and bullying. now ultimately, i'm not blaming

shows like this or jerry spnnger shows like this or jerry springer or whatever, but i'm just like, we know the importance of kindness . just like, we know the importance of kindness. kindness is important and i don't care if it sounds soft . is important and i don't care if it sounds soft. i'm just saying i don't think it sounds soft when you when you have a teenage kid myself. but i've worked with teenagers for 20 years and i'm like, what's the point in us saying we don't want them to behave like this on social media or in school or on the streets. if we're going to put people as role models on the tv and say it's okay to treat people like that at its height, at its height, the jeremy kyle show had something like 5 million viewers a day, something like that from memory. >> now, people might fact check me on that. this is this is a figure i have i have recalled from the depths of my memory, but it was one of the most watched daytime television shows every single day. modern day version of the modern day version of the modern day version of the colosseum. >> there was a demand to go out and watch them all. i don't think it was out of each other. that's what it is. it just is. it taps into a part of human nature which is not good. and actually i don't think it's kind of like a jury show. i don't i

don't believe it's all negative. >> it wasn't like he was going on there encouraging people to, like, abandon their families or to cheat on their wives or whatever. i think morally it was quite it was still trying to get people to be the upstanding citizen. it just had a very sensationalist way of doing it. it wasn't it wasn't encouraging people to, like, become addicts. >> exactly. and by the way, he was open about his own struggles with addiction and stuff like that. so he was actually posing to people questions that he's himself has had. yeah but how much cooler would it be to say we're going to pick the best britons and like, put the best those we could change shallow people we can influence. >> i mean, i agree with you. i agree with you. >> stop now. talking of best britons. there we go. it's time for today's greatest britain of union jackass. we've got two minutes. so rapido. >> esther mcvey for a speech in parliament calling out labour's hypocrisy for taking out money, taking away sort of fuel payments for pensioners , but payments for pensioners, but handing out money to train drivers. >> okay. strong start, go on. >> okay. strong start, go on. >> jon trickett because he was the only labour politician to have some cojones to vote against this disgusting scrapping of the winter fuel payments. >> all right. okay. >> all right. okay. >> go on it. just over all the

work that he's done. no, no, no. exactly. i agree with you. thank you. shake hands. but all the work that he's done. thank you all the work that he has done to tackle knife crime and to raise that issue. and what if all rich, famous people said, i'm going to use my fame to do something good? and do you know what i mean? well, there you go. but you know, and i'm telling you now, that man, in 20 years time, they'll look back and say, he saved many lives because of this campaign, arguably should have been james bond. >> yes. right okay. today's winner. today's winner is actually esther mcvey. there you go. all right. you hadn't persuaded me yet, but now you kind of had. >> but i only had idris. >> but i only had idris. >> it's too late. i decide the hours in advance. right okay, so who's the indian jackass, >> jess phillips, which kind of pains me because i actually like her as a person, but she was crying, about domestic abuse victims, but certainly has no problem with the government releasing domestic sticky wicket abusers early from prisons. yeah, indeed. >> come on. i've got the labour party, patrick. because not only have they decided to , allow have they decided to, allow pensioners to potentially freeze this winter, but they're also

allowing dangerous criminals onto the streets. and we're only less than 70 days into this labour government. we've got another four years of this shower of something to still to go about. >> 20s 20s. »- >> 20s 20s. >> okay, i wish i had said the conservative party for their hypocrisy, but i'm saying grenfell. everything that's gone on there and just still that we haven't had, you know , people haven't had, you know, people brought to justice responsible, you know, for what has gone on there. and i'm just like, you know, it's infuriating . yeah. know, it's infuriating. yeah. >> oh, gosh. i mean, actually, to be honest with you , it's very to be honest with you, it's very difficult for me to pick. i've gone for the labour party, but again, i think i need to wait and just pick the lviv because it's the way they sell it to me at the moment that really matters. right? that's it from me. thank you, thank you, thank you. it's headliners next. i'll see you tomorrow at 9 pm. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. good evening . welcome >> hello. good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. a cold spell of weather to come through the rest of this

week. a particularly cold northerly wind will develop throughout the country overnight tonight, and that will bring with it some blustery showers as well. the air is coming from the arctic , hence why it's quite so arctic, hence why it's quite so cold. we've got low pressure up to the north and east of the uk, so that's brought some very windy weather across northeastern areas of scotland, through the rest, through this afternoon that will move away to the east, though overnight and so it will turn a little bit calmer for these areas, but still quite a cold wind through much of the night and frequent showers across north and western areas. a bit more shelter further south and east. temperatures widely in the single figures, so it will be a chilly start to the day on wednesday, but frost will be limited because we do still have quite a strong breeze around and the winds will remain quite strong across northern areas of scotland in particular. some of these showers may start to fall as snow over parts of the grampians, as well, just over the highest mountains. that will be the first snow we've seen in quite a few months, and some of the showers moving into northwestern areas of england. parts of northern ireland could bnng parts of northern ireland could bring some hail, possibly some lightning. lightning and

thunder. a drier start to the day, though, for more southern and eastern areas of the uk. but as we head towards lunchtime, cloud will develop further inland and some of these showers could spread into parts of more southern and central areas of england, as well as eastern areas of scotland, into the afternoon. but i think the most frequent showers will continue , frequent showers will continue, particularly across northwestern england, northern areas of scotland and northern ireland, andifs scotland and northern ireland, and it's going to feel cold as well. these are the maximum temperatures. temperatures will feel closer to the single figures, though, with the strength of that northerly wind . strength of that northerly wind. now the chilly start to the day to come. on thursday, a frost

>> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines at 11:00. the uk along with france and germany, have announced fresh sanctions on iran for supplying russia with ballistic missiles . supplying russia with ballistic missiles. part of the supplying russia with ballistic missiles . part of the sanctions missiles. part of the sanctions will include restrictions on iran's air, ability to fly to uk and parts of europe. it comes amid us secretary of state anthony blinken's trip to the uk, where he confirmed iran has sent short range ballistic missiles to russia and predicts they'll be used in ukraine within weeks. antony blinken gave the warning after strategic talks with the foreign secretary in london, aimed at boosting the special relationship between the two nations. speaking alongside david lammy, mr blinken described the development as a threat to all of europe. mr

lammy echoed his