gb news. well >> good afternoon britain . it's >> good afternoon britain. it's 1:00 on wednesday the 11th of september. >> i'm emily carver and i'm emma trimble, formerly webb. >> very good shouts of shame in the house of commons as keir starmer continues to insist he had no choice but to scrap winter fuel payments for pensioners. opposition parties vow to name and shame labour mps who voted for the cut. >> the ukrainian prime minister urges david lammy to let their soldiers fire long—range missiles into russia. >> this as the foreign secretary and anthony blinken touched down in kyiv. will lammy acquiesce? >> and across the pond, donald trump appears to reject kamala harris's invitation for a second head to head as he accuses moderators of bias towards his opponent. >> will he agree to another? after last night's performance ? after last night's performance? >> and a new royal sculpture of

queen elizabeth ii and prince philip has divided opinion. members of the public say it looks nothing like them. but what do you think ? what do you think? >> well, we've got a lot to talk about after that pmqs session. emma trimble emma trimble, yes. no longer, no longer. >> webb? no. well, i mean, it's been a pretty tough couple of days, hasn't it, for the prime minister. >> it has absolutely. now. keir starmer stood up. he insists. he insists that he has absolutely no choice but to cut these winter fuel payments for pensioners. but the opposition is loud and it's ready for action. you've got opposition parties naming and shaming. now these labour mps who chose to vote with the government on this one, you've got 50 labour mps being accused of cowardice, essentially for simply abstaining or not turning up to the vote at all. and then you've

got the all the issues with the prisons yesterday. everyone's now seen those celebratory videos that came out of prisoners being released early, andifs prisoners being released early, and it's all not very good. if we look at politics in terms of optics, fascinated to see what labour voters think of this, because i think many people who voted for labour, and if you at home did vote for the labour party in the last election, i would love to know what you think, because voting against winter fuel payments for pensioners seems to be something that you would imagine would be out of character for a party that likes to say that it stands up for the most vulnerable in society, particularly when you've had the likes of rachel reeves complaining that she's struggling with the cost of living crisis, cost crisis on her absolutely enormous salary , her absolutely enormous salary, to now take those fuel allowances away from people. >> as nigel farage said , who, >> as nigel farage said, who, you know, maybe veterans who have paid for their entire lives into the system and now finding that they are having to choose between whether or not to heat or eat, and also , we saw today

or eat, and also, we saw today that rachel reeves herself has claimed over £4,000 for winter fuel for heating her second home, because mps are they all are given this money for their own second homes to do their job. >> so it all smacks a little bit of perhaps a little bit of hypocrisy. >> and you have to ask whether or not they should be looking a little closer to home if they're looking to make certain cuts, cost cuts when the taxpayers benefit. >> well, absolutely. but do send in your views and comments. gbnews.com forward slash. your say is the way to get in touch. but let's get the headlines with sam francis . sam francis. >> very good afternoon to you. it is just after 1:00. and the top story this afternoon. rishi sunak has ignited reignited in fact the battle against labour on its move to axe winter fuel payments for millions of pensioners . payments for millions of pensioners. continuing his focus from last week's exchanges at prime minister's questions, the conservative leaders pushed sir keir starmer for details on the

impact of those cuts . impact of those cuts. >> we know why he's hiding the impact assessment. the labour party's own previous analysis claimed that this policy could cause 3850 deaths. so are the numbers in his impact assessment higher or lower than that ? higher or lower than that? >> however, the prime minister, sir keir starmer, pushed back and claimed his government was having to clear up the conservatives mess because of the tough decisions that we're making to stabilise the economy , making to stabilise the economy, we can make sure that the triple lock shows that increases in pensions will outstrip any loss of payments. >> but before , before he >> but before, before he complains about us clearing up his mess , perhaps he'd like to his mess, perhaps he'd like to apologise to the £22 billion black hole . black hole. >> well, this morning our political editor, christopher hope , asked the chancellor, hope, asked the chancellor, rachel reeves, if the looming october budget could mean more bad news for pensioners . bad news for pensioners. >> we've committed to those bus passes to free tv licences for

those entitled and free prescriptions, but we've also committed to the triple lock, not just for one year but for the duration of this parliament and that means that pensioners will continue to rise by whichever is higher , 2.5% whichever is higher, 2.5% inflation or average earnings. and that means that pensioners have £900 more this winter and likely another £460 from next april. >> the business secretary has unveiled a multi—million pound package to support tata steel shift to greener production . shift to greener production. jonathan reynolds blamed the previous government for failing to make critical decisions. however, the conservatives are accusing labour of extending a deal they once criticised when in opposition. jonathan reynolds says the new agreement includes investment opportunities to secure long term jobs. that's despite up to 2800 positions being at risk. >> tata are agreeing to offer a comprehensive training programme for any employee as an alternative to those at risk of

compulsory redundancy. this would be on full pay for one month and then £27,000 a year per employee for 11 months. and tata will fund all of these costs. employees will be able to choose from recognised qualifications to develop sought after skills, which will be in high demand in the local economy. now and long into the future . future. >> and just a response, in fact, from the welsh first minister on that announcement from jonathan reynolds, the welsh first minister, saying i welcome today's funding announcement. the welsh government stands shoulder to shoulder with the uk government in doing all we can to support workers at tata steel. so that just in from the welsh first minister regarding that announcement in the last few minutes. in other news, no fault evictions could soon be history as the government prepares to ban section 21 evictions, the renters rights bill, set to be introduced today, promises sweeping changes today, promises sweeping changes to protect england's 11 million renters. it will also force

private landlords to take faster action on unsafe housing conditions and end blanket bans on tenants who receive benefits or have children. deputy prime minister angela rayner says the bill will overhaul renting and tackle what she has called unfair practices. but landlords are warning the reforms must be fair to both sides . ukrainian fair to both sides. ukrainian prime minister has asked for the uk's help and support, allowing ukraine to use long—range equipment to strike russian territory. it comes as david lammy and anthony blinken are in ukraine, calling it a critical moment in the war. the foreign secretary and the us secretary of state are also due to meet with president zelenskyy to discuss kyivs needs in its ongoing fight against moscow. their joint visit follows reports that us president joe biden will lift a ban on british storm shadow missiles being used on russian territory. that's after iran supplied ballistic missiles to russia, to the us, and donald trump and kamala harris clashed on crime,

immigration, abortion and the economy in their first and possibly only presidential debate. the showdown began last night with a handshake, but quickly took a turn when harris mocked trump's rallies, accusing him of boring his supporters. trump, though, hit back defending his popularity and attacked harris on her immigration stance and her economic policies. >> she's going to do this. she's going to do that . she's going to going to do that. she's going to do all these wonderful things. why hasn't she done it? she's been there for three and a half years. they've had three and a half years to fix the border . half years to fix the border. they've had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about. why hasn't she done it ? hasn't she done it? >> well, later in the debate , >> well, later in the debate, harris blamed trump for nationwide abortion restrictions and the capitol riot and questioned his fitness for the white house. >> donald trump left us the worst unemployment since the great depression. donald trump left us the worst public health

epidemic in a century. donald trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war . war. >> now, emma and emily, what do you call a fish with no mirror? with a mirror rather. well, it's not a joke. it's called a blue streak. and the tiny tropical fish might just know what it's looking at. scientists in japan have found the blue streak can recognise its reflection and even size itself up, before deciding to pick a fight. in lab experiments, the swimmers checked their body in a mirror before going after smaller fish. researchers think it could be a clue to how self—awareness evolved. those fish now join an elite club of animals alongside chimps , dolphins and elephants. chimps, dolphins and elephants. those are the latest headlines for now. more in half an hour for now. more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts .

>> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> well, it's coming up to 110 and sir keir starmer, he faced down fierce opposition in parliament as he continues to insist he had no choice but to scrap winter fuel payments for pensioners due to the state of the public finances and no choice but to release prisoners early due to overcrowding . early due to overcrowding. >> the conservatives and reform are vowing to name and shame labour mps who voted to cut the payments, while starmer dodges demands to publish an impact assessment on how the policy will harm older people. >> well, joining us now from westminster is our political correspondent, olivia utley olivia . quite a few heated olivia. quite a few heated exchanges there. i wonder whether rishi sunak should have kept on with the winter fuel payments, used all of his questions to try and hit keir starmer. where it hurts essentially . essentially. >> that's exactly what was going

through my head too, emily, he asked three quite searching questions on the winter fuel payments, specifically on the government's refusal to publish an impact assessment. that is, how many pensioners will be impacted by this. how will they be impacted by this? and that was quite a powerful line of questioning. and then he abruptly changed tack and started talking about farming, obviously an important issue, but it did feel for a bit at the beginning, as though he really had some momentum going. so i agree with you. i'm not quite sure why he turned it around. perhaps it's another example of rishi sunak just not really being that experienced at politics. a bit of a strange thing to say for someone who's just been prime minister. but remember, he was elected less than a decade ago, just not that much parliamentary experience. i did think it let keir starmer off the hook quite lightly. that said, this question about the impact assessment has really gained ground during pmqs and afterwards as well. journalists were quizzing the prime

minister's spokeswoman on why the government won't publish that impact assessment. someone asked if they knew how many pensioners were going to die as a result of this policy, and if they were refusing, if they were concealing that information . concealing that information. it's also quite difficult for keir starmer holding this line of not publishing an impact assessment when one of the things that she said over and over again during the election campaign was that a labour government would be transparent with the public and actually just four months ago, he implored rishi sunak to publish the impact assessment of what the impact assessment of what the conservatives cut to universal credit would do. so i don't know if they're going to be able to hold this line for very much longer. i reckon that at some point soon they will come under so much pressure to pubush come under so much pressure to publish that impact assessment that they will just have to do it . it. >> olivia, what about this? this framing from keir starmer? he keeps saying that he has no choice but to make certain decisions. he said the same thing when asked about, about

cancer treatment and the length of time that that is taking for people to receive that treatment, saying that, again, this was this is this is something they're having to deal with from the last government. how long do you think keir starmer can reasonably continue to pin things on the previous government, particularly when we've just got this latest news about gdp flatlining ? about gdp flatlining? >> i mean, to be fairto keir >> i mean, to be fair to keir starmer, he has only been in position for about two months and there were actually points even this year, earlier this yean even this year, earlier this year, where the conservative government was still blaming failures on the last labour government, which obviously left power in 2010. so i think keir starmer has a little bit more mileage from that. and i think particularly perhaps on the on the prisons issue. yes, it's a hugely controversial policy and it could well turn out to be a big mistake. it would only take one of those 1600 or so criminals who were released early yesterday to commit some sort of atrocity for a real

light to be shone on keir starmer, and for him to have to answer some very difficult questions. but it is fair to say that the previous government, whether it was the government itself or the department behind it, the justice department behind it, did allow the prison sector to get into a real mess. a few days ago, there were just 83 places left in male prisons, and that that number has probably gone down in the intervening days. as you say on gdp. it's i mean , a o% intervening days. as you say on gdp. it's i mean , a 0% flat gdp. it's i mean, a 0% flat line. it's not terrible news. we could have dipped back into recession. but basically what's been happening for quite a long time now is the economy has been teetering around the zero mark, and keir starmer did promise growth. at some point we will have to see that in some ways i think those gdp figures are quite useful, if you like, for rachel reeves, she has already very much set the ground for a horrible budget, basically come october the 30th, really, really difficult decisions. she keeps talking about. if she can point

to those figures and say, well, look, gdp is stagnating, we must do something drastic that might actually help to get that budget through to sort of smooth its way through parliament. but overall, i mean, as you say, keir starmer can't forever just blame the former conservative government. he will have to start delivering results quite soon. although, to be fair, it has only been two months. >> and to be fair, the conservatives did blame previous labour administrations for a very long time indeed for a whole manner of things. olivia, just lastly, on the issue of prison overcrowding and justice in the criminal justice system and policing, nigel farage did make an intervention. let's have a little watch . a little watch. >> yesterday we witnessed some extraordinary celebratory scenes outside britain's prisons, where in some cases serious career criminals were released , and criminals were released, and this to make way for yes rioters. but equally, those who've said unpleasant things on facebook and elsewhere on social media. does the prime minister understand there is a growing feeling of anger in this country

that we are living through two tier policing and a two tier justice system ? justice system? >> oh, olivia, that was a controversial one. >> a very controversial one. went down very, very badly in the house of commons. but i don't think nigel farage is that interested in what his house of commons colleagues think of him. he's more interested in what people at home think. and of course, there are plenty of people who are worried about two tier policing, who are worried that some domestic abusers were released yesterday , while some released yesterday, while some people have been put into prison because of perhaps comments made online. i think keir starmer had to respond quickly and reactively to those riots that took place in july. but in combination with this very controversial move to release so many prisoners early yesterday, we could see some disquiet later down the line. and also it could possibly at some point lead to more riots . more riots. >> okay. well, thank you very

much indeed. olivia utley. our political correspondent in westminster . westminster. >> gosh. well, that's not, not good for keir starmer, i don't think. >> feisty one? joining us now is political commentator theo usherwood. theo, thank you very much indeed forjoining us on much indeed for joining us on the show this afternoon. pmqs it was always going to be a bit tncky was always going to be a bit tricky for keir starmer. there's been a hell of a lot of bad headunes been a hell of a lot of bad headlines recently, not least over the winter fuel payments. and of course , the videos that and of course, the videos that everyone has now seen of those prisoners being let out early. how do you think he managed it? >> well, he was roles reversed, wasn't it, for keir starmer. he wasn't it, for keir starmer. he was previously the one asking those difficult questions of rishi sunak and boris johnson and liz truss, very briefly, and yet he now faced his own demands, the demands from rishi sunak to publish that impact assessment. >> and i think there is an olivia touched on this and she's right to touch on this, this idea that he isn't being straight by refusing to publish the impact assessment. >> and it could be much worse

potentially, than that. 2017, appraisal that the labour party did when the conservatives came up with the same idea that was, you know, predicted there would be around 4000, just shy of 4000 deaths. should theresa may with, you know, withdraw the winter fuel allowance. and actually, since then, we've had the ukraine war and that what precipitated the energy crisis in 2017? wholesale price of gas was actually coming down a little bit . so i think the fear little bit. so i think the fear is that actually when you look at the when you look at the numbers behind this, they could actually be far higher in terms of the impact on those who could suffer severely as as a result . suffer severely as as a result. >> theo, do you think that the labour party are actually being quite hypocritical, not just on this issue, but for example, on the issue of cancer treatment? surely one of the reasons for the delay in cancer treatment would be due to certain lockdown policies that the labour government wanted more of, and

in the case of these winter fuel payments, we know that from their previous report in 2017, that they recognised the harm that they recognised the harm that this would cause to older people, whilst at the same time we have reports, of a labour party ministers, including rachel reeves , making certain rachel reeves, making certain claims in terms of their own fuel allowances. so do you think that the labour party , are being that the labour party, are being hypocritical on this, or is there a more charitable interpretation of their change interpretation of their change in policy position? >> i think just on the on the health issue and the cancer treatments, i think there is a lot of pressure internally. and i was speaking to one expert last week about this , that, that last week about this, that, that actually they want the government should be actually focusing on just a few things when it comes to improving the nhs, rather than saying right across the board , we're going across the board, we're going to, you know, make the nhs better. we're going to, you know, waiting times, you know,

we're going to bring them down significantly. we've seen, of course, 7.6 million people or so awaiting for, treatment as a result of the pandemic. and that everybody, you know, covid took priority. and i think one of the areas where experts are saying, actually, the government should just try and make some significant inroads is on cancer treatment, bringing down that waiting list. the waiting time to below 18 weeks, because of course, it's so important if you're diagnosed with cancer that you get that treatment quickly because that's where you can really improve outcomes. now we'll have to wait and see whether, as a result of the report we're expecting on thursday from the former health minister, lord darzi, whether actually there is anything included within that that pinpoints exactly significant improvements that could be made in the short term. you mentioned, of course , energy, mentioned, of course, energy, the right of mps to claim their energy costs for second homes, this is something that goes right across the board, whether it be a labour mp or conservative mp, liberal

democrat, even reform can claim their energy costs for second homes because of course, many mps live in london but then have constituency homes and this is this is a, you know, a question mark that has gone back right to 2009. and there are those both who argue that actually it's much easier potentially just to pay much easier potentially just to pay mps a much more significant salary. you could put into 100, £200,000, and then it's up to them to run both homes. but legitimately i think there are questions about whether you can do that on a salary of around 85 £86,000. >> theo, very quickly should they not be looking closer to home in terms of making certain, taking certain efficiency measures when trying to close this black hole in the in the pubuc this black hole in the in the public budget, should they not be looking at the way in which they are receiving certain benefits rather than pinning that on the most vulnerable in society ? society? >> so you're looking at a saving of around £1.4 billion in order to deal with this particular issue of the winter fuel allowance, i think you could you would find it very difficult to

make that kind of saving, although it is actually, you know, a total treasury receipt of around 11. £2 trillion. it's actually quite small, but i think you'd find it quite difficult to make that saving, that same saving by looking at how mps claim expenses. but you could make that saving very easily. for instance, if you wanted to look at the overseas aid budget to fight climate change, that stands at £116 change, that stands at £11.6 billion. now, of course, you'd need to bring some of that forward before you could make some of those savings, because that's spread over a number of years. but i think certainly there are question marks about actually whether labour should be looking. the government should be looking closer to home in terms of who it wants to help in terms of who it wants to help in the short term. and yeah, i think for a lot. >> i think, i think, i think for a lot of people that that is the issue. they understand the pubuc issue. they understand the public finances are in a state, but when you see 8 billion or so on gb energy, that isn't even supplying any energy or producing any energy when you see the amount of money going on, climate change projects abroad , foreign aid abroad and abroad, foreign aid abroad and all of the other costs, the loss

of tax income from the north and nonh of tax income from the north and north sea as a result of some of the changes there. i mean, that's that pales in comparison, doesn't it really, well, the winter fuel payments do anyway. theo usherwood. sorry. we're going to have to leave it there because we've got to get to a break. but great to speak to you. political commentator theo usherwood. right. this is good afternoon, britain on gb news. we've got lots more coming up on today's show. donald trump and kamala harris, they went head to headin kamala harris, they went head to head in their first presidential debate. it was rather a fiery 90 minutes. who do you think came up on top? apparently donald trump is reconsidering whether to do another one.

well good afternoon britain. it is 126 now overnight, of course, donald trump and kamala harris went head to head in their first and maybe only presidential

debate. >> it was a fiery 90 minutes of attacks on their policies before things turned slightly more personal. >> but yes, i guess the big question is who came out on top ? question is who came out on top? well, shall we pose that question to former deputy assistant to donald trump , assistant to donald trump, sebastian gorka? donald trump , sebastian gorka? donald trump, has he got the size of his opponent? because it did seem that he was rather more confident when it was joe biden. he was up against. >> well, it's tough to get the size of your opponent when they play size of your opponent when they play with the podiums and they give her a different sized podium , change the camera podium, change the camera angles. but no, seriously , she's angles. but no, seriously, she's not a senile like biden. i mean, she didn't stand there for 90 minutes with her mouth open, just staring at donald trump like biden did. so at least this person has a pulse. but yesterday was not as good as it should have been, especially since president trump wasn't debating kamala harris. he was debating kamala harris. he was debating three people, including the moderators, who constantly quote fact checked him and never

fact checked her with some egregious whoppers. i mean, saying that the police officers who died on january the 6th, no police officer died on january 6th. the only person who was killed was an unarmed air force veteran, ashli babbitt, who was shot in the neck by a police officer. so he was it was three against one. and as a result, this wasn't really a debate. >> and sebastian, what about this claim that trump made about pets being eaten by migrants in in springfield, his running mate , in springfield, his running mate, jd vance did an interview afterwards where he was responding to the claims that thatis responding to the claims that that is effectively fake news by saying that they're actually listening to what people are saying on the ground, people who live in those areas. so is that a true claim from donald trump? >> well, it is. i posted the police report as soon as it was

said. so if you go if you go to seb gorka, you can read the local police report that actually has the evidence of that occurring. but it's kind of like, you know, not the story. because even if that is happening, if you read the police report and i tend to believe the police , that's not believe the police, that's not the big issue. the big issue is americans being murdered by illegals. 12 year old jocelyn nungaray , 12 years old, who was nungaray, 12 years old, who was raped and then murdered by an illegal immigrant who had already been arrested for child endangerment in new york and released by the same democrat prosecutor that put president trump in the dark. prosecutor that put president trump in the dark . whether it's trump in the dark. whether it's near to where i'm living in maryland , rachel marin, a mother maryland, rachel marin, a mother of five, went out for a jog, likewise raped and then murdered. or the beautiful laken riley , whose name? riley, whose name? >> so why didn't he talk about sebastian ? why didn't he talk sebastian? why didn't he talk about. why didn't he talk about those cases rather than making. well, he did this this baseless claim about haitian migrants eating your pets. i mean, it

just sounds unhinged. >> hang on, hang on. >> hang on, hang on. >> did you hear what i just said? >> did you hear what i just said? >> go on. »- >> go on. >> why did you say baseless claim? i just said, i have posted the official police report that confirms it. >> okay, well, i will have a have a look at that afterwards. but but why would he throw that into the conversation? because it came right from the start. that first question that was put to donald trump was on the economy. he immediately goes into a long winded sort of rant about illegal migration, when the question wasn't really on that. and then kamala harris was able to look like, you know, i hate that awful phrase, but the aduu hate that awful phrase, but the adult in the room type thing. and that's why kamala seems to have come out on top, because she was very she stuck to her her lines, didn't she? >> well, it wasn't a long rant. i mean, these things are inextricably linked. when you allow 20 million illegals into this country, the economic effect on americans and especially legal immigrants and minority workers is absolutely catastrophic. i mean, look at the latest figures from the

biden administration in the last three years, jobs have gone for down native born americans, and 3 in 4 jobs have gone to migrants. i mean, that's catastrophic. you think you've got problems with a few boat people coming across the channel 20 million illegals taking the jobs of americans, often cash in hand under the table. president trump is absolutely right in connecting the two. when you have open borders, not only do you hurt those who are being trafficked across the border, 60% of the women being raped and sexually abused by the traffickers, you also have an absolutely catastrophic effect on the working opportunities of indigenous americans. >> jd vance effectively made the claim that it requires a meme like the cats and the dogs, the meaning of certain issues in order to get the attention of democrats or of the press, do you think that he in many ways, was got that point across better

and that perhaps donald trump wasn't as well prepared as he should have been, given that kamala harris had effectively gone into her own sort of lockdown? to prepare in advance of this debate . of this debate. >> look, i'm a social media addict myself. i've got a 1.5 million followers on twitter alone. i love that kind of stuff, but it doesn't change elections. it doesn't. you know, memes are fun , but they don't memes are fun, but they don't move the needle. elections are won. by what? human contact with your fellow voter knocking on doors, going house to house and saying, hey, do you like the fact that the average mortgage in america has increased a 100% in america has increased a 100% in the last three years? i mean, think about this when we left office, the average mortgage in america was $800 a month. it's now $1,700. that's far more powerful than any meme. memes are fun, but let's talk about the catastrophic state of the economy thanks to the harris biden regime. >> yes, and it will be

interesting to see also if the taylor swift effect has, has any real impact or if it's just a given that most celebrities are going to back the democrats. thank you very much indeed. sebastian gorka, always great to speak to you. former deputy assistant to donald trump and with 1.5 million twitter followers, no less. well, there you go. let us know what you make of the debate. do you think trump came out on top? did kamala clinch it? what do you make of it all this good afternoon britain on gb news. we've got lots more coming up. indeed we. >> very good afternoon to you. the headlines at just after 1:30 and rishi sunak has reignited the battle against labour on its move to axe the winter fuel allowance for millions of pensioners across england and wales. continuing his focus from last week's exchanges at prime minister's questions, the conservative leader pushed sir keir starmer for details on the impact of the cuts. >> we know why he's hiding the impact assessment. the labour party's own previous analysis

claimed that this policy could cause 3850 deaths. so are the numbers in his impact assessment higher or lower than that? >> however, prime minister sir keir starmer pushed back, claiming his government was having to clear up the conservatives mess because of the tough decisions that we're making to stabilise the economy, we can make sure that the triple lock shows that increases in pensions will outstrip any loss of payments. >> but before, before he complains about us clearing up his mess, perhaps he'd like to apologise to the £22 billion black hole . black hole. >> more news from the commons this afternoon and the government has unveiled a multi—million pound deal to help tata steel shift to so—called greener production. the business secretary confirmed the government will contribute £500 million to the transition . the million to the transition. the conservatives are accusing labour of extending a deal they once criticised when in opposition, but jonathan

reynolds says the agreement is new and improved , despite up to new and improved, despite up to 2800 jobs still being at risk, tata are agreeing to offer a comprehensive training programme for any employee as an alternative to those at risk of compulsory redundancy. >> this would be on full pay for one month and then £27,000 a year per employee for 11 months, and tata will fund all of these costs . employees will be able to costs. employees will be able to choose from recognised qualifications to develop sought after skills, which will be in high demand in the local economy now and long into the future . now and long into the future. >> no, no fault evictions could soon be history as the government prepares to ban section 21 evictions, the renters right bill, set to be introduced today, promises sweeping changes to protect england's 11 million renters. it will also force private landlords to take faster action on unsafe housing conditions, and it will also end blanket bans on tenants who receive

benefits or who have children. the deputy prime minister, angela rayner , has also said angela rayner, has also said that she wants to see those arrangements spread across the uk . and just a piece of breaking uk. and just a piece of breaking news to bring you from the newsroom this afternoon, the government has announced a pubuc government has announced a public inquiry into the murder of belfast solicitor pat finucane. mr finucane, who's 39, was shot dead at his family home in north belfast. that was in february 1989 by the ulster defence association in an attack found by a series of probes to have involved collusion with the state. his widow, geraldine , and state. his widow, geraldine, and the couple's three children have long been campaigning for decades for a public inquiry into that incident to be established to find the extent of security force involvement so

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>> well good afternoon, britain 141 is >> well good afternoon, britain 14! is the time. now joe biden 141 is the time. now joe biden is poised to lift a ban on british storm shadow missiles being fired into russia by ukraine. >> washington is considering the move as it emerges that iran is now arming russia with ballistic missiles. joining us now to discuss this development is our national reporter, charlie peters. so charlie, we have david lammy and antony blinken in kyiv today, meeting with those ukrainian leaders at a time when this discussion is going on. >> these reports are emerging about the storm shadow missile, about the storm shadow missile, a key part of anglo—french military engineering , possibly military engineering, possibly now finally being released for full ukrainian usage because they have been denied the opportunity to fire these missiles into russian territory,

which ukrainian defence officials claim would be vital to their ability to prevent further attacks coming from the russian military. >> now, you might be asking, they've got these long—range missiles, why can't they just use them? why is american permission so important? well, the missiles, while being mostly british in their engineering, they do require classified us intelligence and supporting systems to be fired effectively into foreign territory. so it requires a level of interoperability that requires permission from washington. and they've had this ban potentially because washington is more cautious on the war in ukraine. britain, increasingly rather bullish both in its statements and its offer of weaponry and equipment. but joe biden and the rest of the american leadership less keen on that storm shadow being fired into russian territory. >> that's very interesting, isn't it? so we're providing the goodsin isn't it? so we're providing the goods in this case, but then it's up to the president of the united states to decide how they can and cannot be used. well,

yeah. >> well, little britain can't fight big russia . fundamentally, fight big russia. fundamentally, they will have to clean up the mess. whatever we prod them into. there is that concern. has there not been since the very start of this war about the potential for escalation, firing missiles designed and refined in britain into russian territory would definitely be a move towards a stronger and sterner response from moscow. >> we've seen these calls from the new head of the army, sir general. general sir roland walker, who's been saying that we need to be able to be ready to fight a major war within the next three years, because he said that russia will seek revenge on the west for aiding ukraine. now, what about the strategic aspect of this? because we've been putting so much into ukraine, not just in terms of hardware , but also in terms of hardware, but also in terms of hardware, but also in terms of hardware, but also in terms of training and resources in that respect. so there's a concern here that we have damaged our own defence by putting so much into ukraine. could this potentially aggravate

the situation even further? >> well, really, walker wants to double the lethality of every part of the british army so it can fight and win at the. and he wants to do that by 2030. soon after his term in that role as chief of the general staff will end. he's very keen on that point, but we have a report out today from the national audit office which says that the number of opportunities for british soldiers to train on their own training areas has been cancelled eight fold in the last year due to the trading of ukrainian soldiers being prioritised. now, since 2015, ukrainian forces have been trained in the country . after trained in the country. after the annexation of crimea by the british military, no other country in nato has trained more ukrainian troops than the united kingdom's armed forces, but that original operation orbital became inter flex in 2022. they've trained trained now over some 42,000 ukrainian soldiers. they get a five week package in

battlefield close combat skills platoon attacks, field medicine, signals intelligence, casualty extraction , all the vital extraction, all the vital military skills and drills you require for the sort of conflict we're seeing in ukraine. and it comes as we spent some £7.8 billion on supporting ukraine in that war. since the full scale invasion in 2022. but emma, you're right to ask the question, how much is this now impacting british training? because the army now the regular army is less than 74,000 men and women strong. you could fit the entire british armed forces in the army. their personnel inside wembley stadium, and have quite a few spare seats for the vip boxes and all the rest of it. so there's plenty of opportunity, you might say, within the british army, to stretch what's already there. well, in reaction to these claims and the audit office report out today, the mod has said that all uk forces have access to the relevant training required to be held at readiness to protect the uk and meet our

nato commitments. they thank the national audit office, which recognises ukrainian troops are better prepared to defend their country that the uk is providing training for. >> yes, it's going to be very costly, i guess, to buy up again all of this military equipment as well as the training as well. thank you very much indeed. charlie peters, our national reporter. now we're going to cross live to new york city, where the bell of hope is ringing to remember the lives lost 23 years ago today during the 9/11 terror attacks . the 9/11 terror attacks. rmt sir keir starmer caroline age julien alfred .

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post. >> okay, those were live pictures. you're looking at live pictures. you're looking at live pictures from new york, the commemorations in remembrance of those who lost their lives in the tragedy that was the 9/11 terror attack. it's hard to believe it was 23 years ago now, and we did see there kamala harris and joe biden , as well as harris and joe biden, as well as donald trump there for the remembrance we see the band there go past. >> i don't know about you, emily, but i've got goosebumps. i can remember, actually, where i can remember, actually, where i was coming home from school when that news of the planes hitting the twin towers came in. and it's remarkable to think it was such a long time ago. and something that has so profoundly affected not just the united states, but the rest of the world as well. >> yeah, nearly 3000 people lost their lives on that day. i remember two where i was, i was also at school, and i believe if i remember correctly, we were sent home and everyone was

absolutely fixated on on what they were seeing. no one had seen anything like it before. and arguably it changed the course of history, particularly with regards to foreign policy and the fight against islamist terrorism. now, the bell that struck to remember the exact moment was the exact moment the first plane struck the world trade centre and very sadly claimed all of those lives. so there you are, the live footage from new york, where those remembrance commemorations are being held. >> well, this is good afternoon, britain and gb news and there's lots more coming up on today's show. a sculpture of queen elizabeth ii and prince philip has caused some controversy. as people say. it does not resemble the couple. was it a royal mistake

>> okay. welcome back. now lots of you have been getting in touch about all sorts last has got in touch. he says keir starmer was terrible today at pmqs. he refuses to answer any questions. he just harps on about the alleged 22 billion black hole. most of it created by labour actions. unfunded pay increases to rail workers, doctors and teachers, etc. etc. i think that's a very good point. they talk about this 22 billion black hole, which sounds impressive. i mean, if you had such a black hole, you'd have to make cuts, whatever. but in the same week you also hear about these huge public sector pay rises, all the money going on gb energy. et cetera. et cetera. and you start to think about priorities. >> and they did say that they wanted gb energy to be like the nhs. the envy of the world. but we're also facing all of these repeated story after story after story about how the nhs is failing wildly. so it does feel a little bit like swings and

roundabouts, doesn't it? with, you know, one hand giveth and the other taketh away and michael, he says that i ended up with egg on my face in that interview with sebastian gorka, because he said that there was a police report which proves that migrants are eating dogs and cats. >> however, we are yet to see this police report, so we will try and find it because, alas, we don't seem to seem to see that it exists. but we'll check it out for you. of course we will. coming up, legislation, including a blanket ban on no fault evictions will be introduced today. that's much more . more. >> of a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb. news on. gb. news >> afternoon. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. pretty chilly out there today andifs pretty chilly out there today and it's only going to get colder overnight as the showers fade and many of us have clear spells. still some pretty heavy showers around at the moment though, particularly for the west midlands, northwest england and wales. a rumble of thunder,

even a bit of hail and there's some snow over the tops of the mountains across scotland in the showers, but they are fading in much of southern scotland, eastern england, southern england here will by and large have a dry night with those lengthy clear spells and temperatures dropping 4 or 5 degrees. that's in towns and cities, many rural spots not far off freezing. and of course, northern britain. there will be a frost for many in the countryside. so yes, a pretty cold start to thursday. but but a sunshine will soon start to lift those temperatures. by and large. a fine start, of course . large. a fine start, of course. east anglia in the south—east there will again be plenty of showers packing in across north and west wales and parts of northwest england. a few for the northwest england. a few for the north and the east of northern ireland. grazing the west coast of scotland. there will be a few showers, but the central belt generally dry. much of the east coast dry showers still coming in on a fairly brisk northerly wind, but those winds won't be as strong. it won't feel quite as strong. it won't feel quite as cold during tomorrow. there'll be a few more showers tomorrow compared to today across southwest england, but they'll be pretty well scattered here and across wales , and

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>> good afternoon britain. it's 2:00 on wednesday the 11th of september. >> i'm emma trimble and i'm emily carver now. >> shouts of shame in the house of commons. commons as sir keir starmer continues to insist he had no choice but to scrap the winter fuel payments for pensioners. opposition parties vow to name and shame labour party mps who voted for the cut. >> and across the pond, donald trump appears to reject kamala harris invitation for a second head to head as he accuses moderators of bias towards his opponent. will he agree to another ? another? >> and today marks back british farming day with leaders throughout the industry asking for the government to increase the agricultural budget. but sir, can sir keir starmer afford it? >> and the renters rights bill is set to be introduced today. promising sweeping changes to protect england's 11 promising sweeping changes to protect england's11 million renters. but what do landlords have to say ?

have to say? well, what a headache this week has been for the prime minister, mr keir starmer, sir keir starmer. very difficult indeed. prime minister's questions being hit time and time again on that winter fuel payment decision. i just can't get my head around how he thinks, simply saying, oh, we need economic stability. we've got this financial black hole . therefore we're going to hole. therefore we're going to cut a benefit for millions and millions of pensioners. how he thinks that's going to go down? >> well, it does sound incredibly callous, doesn't it? especially given all of the previous rhetoric from the labour party, how they had been against these sorts of measures before, how they're constantly trying to brand themselves and position themselves as the champions of the vulnerable to be effectively saying, well, you know, the economy needs it. so we're going to have to sacrifice pensioners on that altar. it's not a good look, and i don't

think it's a particularly enviable position that keir starmer now finds himself in, because he seems to be tying himself in knots. yeah. >> and i mean, it is fair to say that the public finances aren't in a good state. we have a deficit, we have huge national debt into the trillions, i believe, so things aren't looking great. but when you see the amount of money being spent on gb energy being spent on pubuc on gb energy being spent on public sector pay rises, being spent on foreign aid, being spent on foreign aid, being spent on foreign aid, being spent on climate change, finance abroad , being spent on abroad, being spent on accommodation for illegal migrants and asylum seekers, all of these things. and then you go for the pensioners on this 1.5 billion, which may end up costing them anyway. if everyone signs up for pension credit, if they can. >> he's like an anti robin hood stealing from the pensioners and giving it to the train drivers who are already on quite a high salary and it's just not a good look when you've like we were talking earlier about the cancer treatments, you know his party were in favour of harder lockdowns, more covid restrictions. that of course had

an impact on cancer treatments. so to then blame it on the previous government squarely, especially when you've got your own mps who are claiming, huge amounts of money for their own, bills and, and then trying to make the case that they need to take it away from those who are on really, frankly, pensions that are worth a pittance. yeah. >> and the trade unions aren't happy about it either, even though they've got their pay rises. no one's. please do get in touch, gbnews.com/yoursay. we've got a huge amount this houn we've got a huge amount this hour, but headlines with sam first. >> very good afternoon to you from the newsroom at 2:03. and we start this hour with the latest developments on breaking news from belfast. we brought you in the last half hour or so that the government has announced a public inquiry into the 1989 murder of belfast solicitor pat finucane. he was killed in his home and investigations later found the

attack involved collusion with the state. the 39 year old's family, who have long campaigned for a public inquiry, have welcomed the move today with his son john posting on social media saying today is for my father, but dup leader gavin robinson has criticised the move to announce an inquiry, claiming it perpetuates a hierarchy of victims in the troubles in northern ireland. so that is the latest development from belfast regarding the announcement from the government that there will be a public inquiry into the 1989 murder of pat finucane here. rishi sunak has reignited the battle against labour on its move to axe the winter fuel allowance for millions of pensioners. continuing his focus from last week's exchanges at prime minister's questions, the conservative leaders pushed sir keir starmer for details on the impact of the cuts . impact of the cuts. >> we know why he's hiding the impact assessment . the labour impact assessment. the labour party's own previous analysis

claimed that this policy could cause 3850 deaths. so are the numbers in his impact assessment higher or lower than that? >> however, prime minister sir keir starmer pushed back and claimed his government was now having to clear up the conservatives mess because of the tough decisions that we're making to stabilise the economy. >> we can make sure that the triple lock shows that increases in pensions will outstrip any loss of payments. but before, before he complains about us clearing up his mess, perhaps he'd like to apologise to the £22 billion black hole . £22 billion black hole. >> well, earlier , our political >> well, earlier, our political editor christopher hope, spoke to the chancellor , rachel to the chancellor, rachel reeves. if the loom asked her if the looming october budget will be more bad news for pensioners . be more bad news for pensioners. >> we've committed to those bus passes, to the free tv licences

for those entitled and free prescriptions, but we've also committed to the triple lock not just for one year but for the duration of this parliament and that means that pensions will continue to rise by whichever is higher, 2.5% inflation or average earnings. that means that pensioners have £900 more this winter and likely another £460 from next april. >> the business secretary has unveiled a multi—million pound package to support tata steel shift to so—called greener production . jonathan reynolds production. jonathan reynolds blamed the previous government for failing to make critical decisions. however, the conservatives are accusing labour of extending a deal they once criticised. jonathan reynolds says the new agreement does include investment opportunities to secure long term jobs , despite up to 2800 term jobs, despite up to 2800 positions being at risk. >> tata are agreeing to offer a comprehensive training programme for any employee as an alternative to those at risk of compulsory redundancy. this would be on full pay for one

month and then £27,000 a year per employee for 11 months, and tata will fund all of these costs. employees will be able to choose from recognised qualifications to develop sought after skills, which will be in high demand in the local economy now and long into the future . now and long into the future. >> no fault evictions could soon be history as the government prepares to ban section 21 evictions, the renters rights bill, set to be introduced today, promises sweeping changes today, promises sweeping changes to protect england's 11 million to protect england's11 million renters. it will also force private landlords to take faster action on unsafe housing conditions. the deputy prime minister, angela rayner, says the bill will overhaul renting and tackle unfair practices. but landlords are warning the reforms must be fair to both sides. 11,000 patients are being traced and contacted after receiving incorrect blood test results. a testing issue at luton and dunstable university hospital may have led to

misdiagnosis of diabetes. the affected patients from luton, south bedfordshire and hertfordshire will be invited for retests and the trust has apologised but is urging people not to call the hospital unless they're contacted directly. while investigation continues . while investigation continues. and finally, news from the united states where donald trump and kamala harris have clashed on crime, immigration, abortion and the economy in their first and the economy in their first and possibly only presidential debate. the showdown last night began with a handshake , but began with a handshake, but quickly took a turn when harris mocked trump's rallies , accusing mocked trump's rallies, accusing him of boring his crowds. trump hit back and defended his popularity while attacking harris on her immigration stance and economic policies. >> she's going to do this. she's going to do that. she's going to do all these wonderful things. why hasn't she done it? she's been there for three and a half years . they've had three and a years. they've had three and a half years to fix the border . half years to fix the border. they've had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about. why

hasn't she done it ? hasn't she done it? >> harris, though, blamed trump for nationwide abortion restrictions and the capitol riots while questioning his fitness for office. >> donald trump left us the worst unemployment since the great depression. donald trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century, donald trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war. >> that's the latest from the newsroom for now. i'll be back in half an hour now, though, to emily and emma for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> well good afternoon britain.

it's 209 now keir starmer he faced down fierce opposition in parliament earlier, as he continues to insist he had no choice but to scrap winter fuel payments due to the state of the pubuc payments due to the state of the public finances and that he had no choice but to release prisoners early due to overcrowding. >> the conservatives and reform are vowing to name and shame labour mps who voted for the payment cuts, while starmer dodges demands to publish an impact assessment on how the policy will harm older people. >> well, joining us now from westminster is our political correspondent, olivia utley olivia. thank you , this issue of olivia. thank you, this issue of this assessment of the policy , this assessment of the policy, the accusation that potentially this could cost 3850 lives, which is in this labour party assessment, do you think that keir starmer will ever be forced to publish this? can he just simply dodge the question forever? let it go ? forever? let it go? >> well, it does feel as though he's under quite a lot of

political pressure already to pubush political pressure already to publish this. rishi sunak used his first three questions at pmqs to drill the prime minister on this question about the impact assessment, not quite sure why he didn't use the remaining three to do the same thing. that might have been a bit more powerful. but keir starmer then also received questions about it in the little press pack that we have afterwards, where journalists stand around and ask the government spokesman questions. and the spokesman was very , very and the spokesman was very, very uncomfortable and said that she couldn't comment on any of the, on any of the questions at all, which is quite unusual. it is difficult for keir starmer because it's not just the conservatives who don't like this policy . 53 of his own mps this policy. 53 of his own mps abstained yesterday. they managed to contain the actual rebellion. only one labour mp voted with the conservatives on this, but 53 abstentions is not a good look for a new prime minister, and i think he will probably get pressure from all sides to publish that impact assessment, though that impact assessment, though that impact assessment may look quite ugly.

as you said there, there could be pensioners who will die as a result of the government withdrawing this policy. what the government says is that it is focused completely on making sure that everyone who is entitled to get the winter fuel allowance will get the winter fuel allowance. so perhaps that will mitigate damage. but i think politically. keir starmer will have to publish that assessment quite soon. >> yes. and the opposition are very much battering him as a result of this decision. you know, accusations that he wants to freeze your grandparents and the like. olivia utley thank you very much indeed. >> you do have to wonder, don't you, whether this is going to backfire horribly, releasing so many prisoners, putting people in their places who have posted things on facebook , and then things on facebook, and then also the potential ramifications of this, if he refuses to release this, assessment of the damage that this may cause to older people, whether he might have a lot of trouble on his hands as a consequence long term. >> yeah, he's got he's got this huge majority, doesn't he? he can do what he likes. he can do

what he likes. >> you do have to wonder whether he's doing this all in his first yean he's doing this all in his first year, so that hopefully people will have a short memory and not remember it when it comes to the next general election. and quite a lot of people do have short memories. >> anyway, across the pond overnight in the us, donald trump and kamala harris went head to head in their first presidential debate. it was a fiery 90 minutes of attacks on their policies before things turned slightly more personal. but who won? we're joined by professor of us politics at the university college dublin, scott lucas. scott, earlier we spoke to. thank you forjoining us. to. thank you for joining us. earlier we spoke to sebastian gorka, a former adviser to donald trump. he even admitted that donald trump could have done a bit better. how did it go down, in your view? >> well, i think , donald trump, >> well, i think, donald trump, we kind of expected that he would ramble a bit, that he would ramble a bit, that he would insult a bit, that he would insult a bit, that he would deviate , exaggerate and would deviate, exaggerate and lie. he exceeded all of those expectations to the point where

i think the line he'll be remembered for in this debate is that immigrants are eating all our pets , our pets, >> the democrats hope that kamala harris would come across as strong, as forceful, being able to hold her own, not be bullied by trump, and to make their talking points. and i think after a fairly shaky and nervous opening, she did that she was able to withstand trump's pressure and she was able to ask a series of very leading questions that led trump into traps for example, when she said, quite rightly, that he exaggerates the size of his rallies and that just triggered him. so i think if you're talking about presentation, looking composed and being able to handle pressure, there's only one other person that could do that last night that was kamala harris, as well as hitting key issues. and i think the big issues. and i think the big issue we should highlight from last night is probably women's rights, reproductive rights, where trump got himself into quite a bit of trouble for trying to explain exactly where he is now. on that issue. >> we did actually put to

sebastian gorka the claim about the pets being eaten by haitian migrants in springfield. i believe it was ohio. and he said this rather than making well, he did this this baseless claim about haitian migrants eating your pets. i mean , it just your pets. i mean, it just sounds unhinged. hang on, hang on. >> did did you hear what i just said? >> go on. »- >> go on. >> why did you say baseless claim? i just said, i have posted the official police report that confirms it . report that confirms it. >> yes. so he says he's he's got a police report that confirms this. >> i probably should check that police report, because in the course of real time last night, the moderators who did a very good job, read the statement from the city manager of springfield, ohio. there has been no established case of anyone's pet dog, cat, gerbil, duck being eaten by an immigrant. it is a rumour that was whipped up and amplified . it may be that

up and amplified. it may be that the police investigated these claims, but the police found no evidence to support these claims. so i'm afraid this is a case where donald trump, who is prone to exaggerate, has gotten himself stuck with a line which will become one of ridicule rather than contributing to his campaign. >> you mentioned the moderators there, but what of those who have argued that actually the moderators were almost a third party in the debate because they fact checked president trump, but didn't do the same for kamala harris? >> well , it's kamala harris? >> well, it's a common practice, and democrats have done it as well as republicans, that if you don't do well in a debate, who don't do well in a debate, who do you blame? you blame the moderators in this case, yes, kamala harris was fact checked dunng kamala harris was fact checked during this debate. kamala harris was picked up on for her example, her position regarding fracking, which is an important issue that she'll have to take on.she issue that she'll have to take on. she was picked up on stances, positions that she took four years ago, but she came back and said, yes, i've changed

my position on some of those issues.i my position on some of those issues. i think it's in line with my values. you may or may not accept it, but the moderators did their job. the problem with donald trump here is he got fact checked more often because he told more things that weren't true . if he things that weren't true. if he had actually stuck to the script and said things that are true about the economy or immigration or other issues like foreign policy, maybe he wouldn't have been fact checked . been fact checked. >> yes. because illegal immigration is an issue , a immigration is an issue, a massive issue in the united states, as you know. and it is something that donald trump can come down hard on and could potentially win a lot of support on kamala harris's record on the issue hasn't exactly been fantastic. there's been a huge amount of illegal migration under joe amount of illegal migration underjoe biden and her vice leadership . so do you believe leadership. so do you believe that he didn't. he didn't get that he didn't. he didn't get that point across in perhaps the best way . best way. >> i think it's fair to say that if your line is immigrants eat our pets, you haven't really deau our pets, you haven't really dealt with the issue. but he's

got another problem in that he's making false claims. and he got caught out a bit last. i think you h sebastian gorka earlier say, oh, there are now that's false. i've got to tell you that the number of undocumented immigrants in america is between 11 and 12 million. that is about the same level that it was when biden took office. and it's lower. it's still lower than in two thousand and seven. if you do some more double checking, you'll find out that the number of border crossings from mexico has actually decreased by about 50% this year. >> is it possible that it's quite hard to estimate how many undocumented , undocumented undocumented, undocumented migrants there are in the united states? >> no, i mean, you have ways of being able to track them. for example, you'll know that there are statistics on border crossings that are taking place. you'll also know that there are statistics on the number of people who then have their cases that are heard. and then you do have statistics on undocumented immigrants, for example, because

you have to record where people are living, you have to record where they show up to try, for example, to get emergency health care. so no, we've got reliable documentation in terms of the number of folks, what we have got is a problem that has gone on for many, many decades, and it has been politicised in terms of and both sides do it in terms of and both sides do it in terms of the way they try to play this. what i have to tell you is it is the case that you have about the same number of undocumented immigrants as you did at the end of the trump period, that the question of how to handle those immigrants has been jeopardised because of. here's the other key fact. in january of this year, kamala harris, joe biden and the republicans, the republicans reached a deal to increase border security and to deal with the undocumented immigrants. do you folks know who was the leading politician who opposed that deal and prevented it from going through it wasn't kamala harris, it was donald trump. >> okay. well, thank you very

much indeed . scott lucas, much indeed. scott lucas, professor of us politics at the university college dublin. lots of figures being put about on the number of undocumented migrants. i do question whether you can actually have a position where you can. you can always know exactly how many. >> exactly. i'd like to know sort of where he gets his numbers from, where sebastian's getting his numbers from. but very fascinating. i think that, that that trump didn't press harris more on the fact that she is, you know, she is in office now . so. yeah, but anyway, now now. so. yeah, but anyway, now we're on to the next story, which is that the business secretary has unveiled a multi—million pound package to support tata steel's shift to greener production. >> yes. jonathan reynolds blamed the previous government for failing to make critical decisions. >> however, the conservatives are accusing labour of extending are accusing labour of extending a deal that they once criticised. >> well, we're now joined by our reporter jack carson, who is in port talbot for us, jack, tell us what exactly is happening . us what exactly is happening. >> well, this is certainly not

something to celebrate . that's something to celebrate. that's the words of the unions in reaction to this deal. but they say it's a much improved plan , a say it's a much improved plan, a much improved offer towards many of their members within this deal that are that are concerned and affected by this deal. then the previous offer that they say was put forward by the conservative government, the £500 million investment from the government within the deal for this new electric arc furnace here at port talbot has not changed. but what has changed, and what was the points which the government and tata were still negotiating over? was around training programs. so the government confirming today that there is a comprehensive training programme which includes full pay for a first month and £27,000 per year for the following 11 months for employees that might well lose their job employees that might well lose theirjob here in order to take up. there's also points in there of minimum redundancy as well minimum payment if they are

taking redundancy, very, generous. they're calling a package of voluntary redundancy. and jonathan reynolds, the business secretary laying out today that this is coming at no additional cost to the taxpayers , additional cost to the taxpayers, the electric arc furnace, which is going to be put in place here, isn't going to come online for a few years. the second blast furnace, the first one, closed down just a couple of months ago. the second blast furnace here at port talbot, which is still running, is still due to, to be stopped and to be dismantled later this year. it's 2000 plus jobs that are going to be going from this plant, because when this new electric furnace, which uses current and scrap metal in order to make the steel, in order to make the products, that doesn't require as many staff. so there is still going to be a serious amount of job losses from this. that's going to have an impact on the local economy here as well. steelmaking has been a huge part of port talbot for years. alan davies, who is the national

officer for steel from the community union , spoke to me community union, spoke to me earlier on about the impact that this is going to have on the local economy decimated , decimated. >> i think i think, we can't underestimate that. if the people are made redundant, hard, redundant from in there . redundant from in there. >> some people want to go on redundancy or on on voluntary and retire. right. but some people are. if they're made hard, redundant, they won't have the money to spend at the local shops that will that will cripple this local economy. and i think as a union community, i think we will do something to try and protect this community further . further. >> the welsh first minister saying today that the welsh government stands shoulder to shoulder with the uk government in doing all they can to support workers at tata steel and, they say, provide a new future for steel production here in wales . steel production here in wales. >> very much indeed. jack carson, for bringing us that report from port talbot. thank you. now we've got lots more

coming up on today's show, including the renters rights bill. it's set to be introduced today. it's promising sweeping changes to protect england's 11 changes to protect england's11 million renters. but there are quite a few landlords up in arms

>> good afternoon britain. it is 2:27 now. the renters bill is set to be introduced today, promising sweeping changes to protect england's 11 promising sweeping changes to protect england's11 million renters. yes. >> so the legislation will include a blanket ban on no fault evictions. the government says the bill will ensure greater security for renters by creating a level playing field between tenants and landlords. >> we're joined now by the founder of landlord action and star of channel five's nightmare tenants. slum landlords paul

sampliner. hi paul, thank you for joining us. is this going to forjoining us. is this going to make life harder for landlords? >> yeah, i mean, we've seen recently at landlord action, we've seen a lot in the last 18 months, especially, a tsunami of landlords leaving the sector mainly because of mortgage rate, interest rises and tax changes that came in in 2017, >> the no fault section 21 >> the no fault section 2! notice, they call it no fault . notice, they call it no fault. >> but normally there has been a reason it's a two month notice that you would serve to get your property back, the problem that we've had, and i've been living and breathing this for the last five years, is the court system is failing, i've just recently had a case here at landlord action, where a landlord is waiting 18 months just for an eviction date. so we've got need confidence in the court system. we need to know understand what the new grounds are. but the most common grounds landlords are serving section 21 notices for at the moment is because they're selling a property, or they're selling a property, or they want to move back in the

property, or there's anti—social behaviour, but the devil's in the detail . but behaviour, but the devil's in the detail. but i speak to landlords all the time and there's a real lack of confidence and more and more landlords are leaving the sector , landlords are leaving the sector, which means the big losers in all this, of course, are renters because they've been told to leave the property and they've got to try and find somewhere else where, of course, rents have been rising, at a great rate. >> i mean, you talk to landlords every day, presumably. and what exactly are they telling you, have a lot of them already sold up, are they leaving? leaving their properties empty? even, because my concern is that we're going to lose quite a bit of supply. maybe if we make things too hard for landlords. of course, there are tenants who have nightmare landlords. there are landlords who are totally unreasonable and have behaved very badly and don't look after the properties that they own and make life a misery for their tenants. but on the flip side, there are also tenants who do not play by the rules. so what's the picture looking like? >> well, i'm going to tell it how it is. i've been in this

industry 33, 34 years. there's far more bad tenants than bad landlords. i mean, how you define a bad tenant is another story. you have tenants that fall on bad times. you have tenants that go from one property to another and have no intention of paying landlords. i mean, our biggest rent arrears case ever at landlord actions £140,000, believe it or not. the courts are failing. we need we've got a shortage of judges, a shortage of bailiffs. and that's now and then. obviously, if this ban comes in, what happens is, is that the number of hearings will double. so you need to have judges that can deal with those landlords need confidence. and the reality now is, you know, the word landlord is, you know, the word landlord is a dirty word, really. they're housing providers and most landlords are decent people. there needs there needs to be more professionalism in the industry, managing a property is really difficult. but i do have more sympathy with renters than ever before. i mean, the average property in london to rent is £2,600 a month. it's a fortune and there is this misconception. >> there is this misconception, isn't there, paul, that landlords are sort of, the

landlords are sort of, the landlords of the victorian gentry with their top hats. but actually, you know, many landlords are just normal people who've worked very hard to have property as an investment, and it can cost them a fortune if they have a bad tenant that they can't evict from their property. do you think that given the way that this could reduce the supply of rental properties and also in the process mean that many people are quite legitimately evicted from those properties, if they're then sold and ceased to be rental properties that this could backfire horribly and actually end up with rental costs going up and, people who are, you know, not, you know, owners of multiple properties being very unfairly penalised for their hard work. >> i mean, 85% of landlords have between 1 and 3 properties. let's be clear about that. there's 2.7 million landlords out there. landlords aren't banks. they are normal people. i mean, i did a talk yesterday in southampton for the national residential landlords association, 120 landlords and i

asked them how many of them have bentleys? and not one hand went up. so there is this misconception that all landlords are multi—millionaires, the reality is , is that it becomes reality is, is that it becomes a point whereby if you keep prodding the bear, the bear will eventually bite back. and in this case, we are seeing more landlords getting out of the sector, which means that perfectly good tenants are being asked to leave the property because landlords need an empty property to sell the property. i mean, i've got a stat here in june 2020 for this year, 18% of properties, which actually equated to 28,000 properties were in the rental sector three years previously, and they were being sold . so landlords are being sold. so landlords are selling properties. yeah, and of course, there is an unintended consequence with all of this because that might also be to do with interest rates. >> right. it'sjust more >> right. it's just more expensive. you've got the mortgage, you're not making as much of a profit because you've agreed to a certain rental rate . agreed to a certain rental rate. just very quickly. what do you make of the idea that landlords could only be allowed to raise rents once a year? i mean, on the face of it, that sounds fair

enough. surely >> paul, that's very reasonable. i mean, look, the reality is there's lots of provisions in this renter's rights bill. one of them will be that they're going to get rid of fixed term tenancies like six months, 12 months and two year tenancies, which means that they're going to call them periodic tenancies, which mean a tenant if you put a tenant in, there's a cost to putting a tenant in referencing onboarding a tenant a month or two months later, they could serve, notice themselves and leave a property you know, a good landlord wants a tenant to pay good landlord wants a tenant to pay the rent on time, look after the property , okay? and that's the property, okay? and that's the property, okay? and that's the name of the game. there's a saying that i say in this industry for a landlord, no news is good news. good landlords do care about their tenants . care about their tenants. >> well, thank you very much indeed for your time . paul indeed for your time. paul sampliner, founder of landlord action and star of channel five's nightmare tenants slum landlords. i mean, you could flip that as well. i mean, there are slum tenants and nightmare landlords too. >> yeah, it's a great show, but we do need landlords. >> i haven't watched it. i haven't watched it. maybe i will. this is good afternoon,

britain. we've got lots more coming up on today's show. it's back. british farming day, agricultural workers up and down the land are asking the government to increase their budgets and support their industry. we're going to be live industry. we're going to be live in northern ireland. there are some live cows for you. but first, the latest news headlines with sam . with sam. >> from live cows to the breaking stories from the gb newsroom, the top story of the houn newsroom, the top story of the hour. the government has announced a public inquiry into the 1989 murder of belfast solicitor pat finucane . he was solicitor pat finucane. he was killed in his home and investigations found the attack involved collusion with the state. the 39 year old's family, who've campaigned for decades , who've campaigned for decades, welcomed the move, with his son john posting on social media today is for my father, but dup leader gavin robinson criticised the inquiry, claiming it perpetuates a hierarchy of victims in the troubles in northern ireland. labour is facing mounting pressure from

within its own ranks to reverse cuts to the winter fuel payment in today's exchanges. at prime minister's questions, rishi sunak pushed sir keir starmer for details on the impact of the cuts, which will see 10 million pensioners lose their payments. despite the opposition, though, the prime minister insists it's necessary to fix a £22 billion financial shortfall . well, this financial shortfall. well, this morning our political editor, chris hope , asked the chris hope, asked the chancellor, rachel reeves, if the looming october budget will be more bad news for pensioners. >> we've committed to those bus passes to free tv licences for those entitled and free prescriptions, but we've also committed to the triple lock not just for one year but for the duration of this parliament. and that means that pensioners will continue to rise by whichever is higher, 2.5% inflation or average earnings . that means average earnings. that means that pensioners have £900 more. this winter, and likely another £460 from next april . £460 from next april. >> as we were just hearing no

fault evictions could soon be history as the government prepares to ban section 21 evictions, the renters rights bill, set to be introduced today, promises sweeping changes today, promises sweeping changes to protect england's 11 million to protect england's11 million renters. it will also force private landlords to take faster action on unsafe housing conditions. the deputy prime minister, angela rayner, says the bill will overhaul renting and tackle what she calls unfair practices. but landlords warn the reforms must be fair to both sides. the government has unveiled a multi—million pound deal to help tata steel shift to so—called greener production. the business secretary confirmed this afternoon. the government will contribute £500 million to the transition. the conservatives are accusing labour of extending a deal they once criticised. but jonathan reynolds says the agreement is new and improved despite up to 2800 jobs still being at risk . 2800 jobs still being at risk. and downing street says there's been no change in the uk's position on the use of storm shadow missiles in russia. it

comes after the ukrainian prime minister asked the foreign secretary for long—range missiles to strike russian territory, david lammy , and the territory, david lammy, and the us secretary of state, antony blinken, are in ukraine on a joint trip, calling it a critical moment in the war with russia. the pair will also meet with president volodymyr zelenskyy to discuss kyivs needs in its ongoing fight against moscow . those are the latest gb moscow. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. sophia wenzler will be up next with your update at 3:00. back now to those live cows for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news. >> forward slash

>> for all right well good afternoon britain. it is now

240. we're going to take you to some footage of some live cows very shortly. and also we're going to be discussing because it is back british farming day, not just because we, we like cows but we do. >> well i do i speak for emily. >> well i do i speak for emily. >> there's huge calls for the government to commit to more agricultural spending, more support for farmers, because in fact, they do produce our food. lots of it. anyway we're also going to be talking about this rather bizarre sculpture that's been erected in northern ireland. >> yeah, there is a pretty poor, likeness or likeness. i'm trying to think of the right way of putting it, because it's not quite a likeness, is it, of queen elizabeth ii and prince philip. alongside her corgis, of course. very beloved corgis. and it's caused some controversy as the british public have argued that it looks nothing like the late king or queen. and we've actually got a comment here from benny through gbnews.com/yoursay, who said the

statue of the queen is an insult to her memory. it looks nothing like her or prince philip. they should pull it down and make another. it looks like a child made it and now it would be a very advanced child. but he's not wrong. >> it got us thinking, though, didn't it, about, some other awful sculptures , too. you awful sculptures, too. you believe there's been a decline there, has definitely been a decline in the quality of statues. >> all you have to do is take a look at some of the ones from 100 years ago, to the ones that have been recently erected, like the one of princess diana that some said looked like clare balding , and some said looked like clare balding, and the some said looked like clare balding , and the statue, of balding, and the statue, of course, of, of ronaldo as well. maybe we have some images of those, that doesn't look anything like ronaldo . anything like ronaldo. >> cristiano ronaldo? yes. it didn't do him justice. let's say. i mean by by most accounts, he is a handsome man. but yes, it wasn't it wasn't a great likeness. it wasn't a great likeness. it wasn't a great likeness. but yes , there's been likeness. but yes, there's been lots of people saying that this is actually a bit of an insult.

this latest sculpture of the late queen and prince philip. how how on earth could that be produced? >> sad. if you're the sculpture , >> sad. if you're the sculpture, but there's definitely been some kind of decline, hasn't there? in the quality of and the artistic merits of some of the more recent sculptures that we've seen . and the queen, we've seen. and the queen, i think, deserves a bit better than that. >> i mean, trafalgar square, there has been some monstrosities in terms of artwork, ice cream with the fly on the side. that was a special one. that was a special one. >> blue chicken. >> blue chicken. >> i'm just reading here in the write up to the report on this bronze sculpture, locals hit out at the piece, with one saying whoever signed that off needs their eyes tested. others said their eyes tested. others said the prince and dogs look nice, but the figure doesn't look like the late queen and there's something not right about it. they can't quite put their finger on it . they can't quite put their finger on it. there's something not quite right. so there you go. poor sculptor. sculptor. you know, you try to do a nice thing. you try to do a nice thing, and then all of the locals, everyone who goes and

seesit locals, everyone who goes and sees it says, i could have done better. >> and then the nation and then the nation. it all off. >> right. well, we're going to move on. please do get your views in. perhaps you think it's a rather fine sculpture and that, no, you couldn't do any better, actually. anyway, we're going to move on because a university english literature lecturer was made redundant after voicing concern over decolonisation of the curriculum. >> but doctor anne marie d'arcy has now received a £70,000 payout for an unfair dismissal. yes. >> the lecturer accused the university of leicester of planning to remove chaucer from the syllabus in efforts to introduce non culturally british soufces. >> sources. >> well, now we are joined by professor of politics at the university of buckingham, eric kaufmann. eric, tell us a little bit more about this case because it is actually quite complicated, isn't it ? complicated, isn't it? >> well, it is complicated in the sense that they weren't able to prove that, that the chaucer issue was what led to this lecture being dismissed. >> however, if you went back to

2021, you could see that there was a push by the upper management to so—called decolonise, the english curriculum and they specifically talked about removing medieval engush talked about removing medieval english literature and replacing it with non non—british , it with non non—british, particularly non—european literature. so there was this push and this happened during the sort of moral panic following george floyd when there was a huge increase in the number of these initiatives. and this term decolonisation emerges, which is a highly political critical race theory term. and in the wave of enthusiasm , which matthew enthusiasm, which matthew yglesias calls the great awokening, a whole number of universities tried to make these gestures, sometimes prodded by radical activists, staff and students. and this is one of the gestures that leicester made and now it's coming back to haunt them. >> and so she was dumped from the job over this because she didn't agree with their position on on the matter. >> well, i think the context was

there's also another context, which of course is that the university sector is suffering right now. >> so they are making people redundant now. they weren't able to prove that she was made redundant specifically because of what she was teaching. however, certainly if you were to look at the full picture of the evidence from 2021, you would say that what she taught had fallen out of favour and isn't where the university wanted to invest. and instead they wanted to put their resources into this sort of multicultural, sort of decolonised curriculum, and of course, the context of this too, is, is in we're in a period in which the higher education freedom of speech act , which is freedom of speech act, which is really trying to put a stop to some of the anti—free speech practices going on in universities has been repealed by the labour government in the name of, preventing hate, quote unquote . and this is all part of unquote. and this is all part of an agenda in which freedom of speech and academic freedom are being sacrificed in the name of

fashionable ideologies and people like the labour party. >> the critics of the higher education freedom of speech bill have said that there is actually no evidence that freedom of speech is being infringed upon, or academic freedom is being infringed upon. on campus. but you've written extensively about this, haven't you, eric? and the, the very, very demonstrable, situation on campus, which is supported by reams of evidence. >> yeah. i mean, the evidence is really overwhelming. and what we're facing is sort of science denial from labour and from the left, you know, just to give you a couple of numbers. i mean, one is if you are a conservative or a brexit supporting academic, a number of studies have found between 50 and 75% self—censorship levels that is, academics who identify as conservative or who voted leave. and there is a small share of them. they do exist in the surveys that i conducted, which were representative draws using

yougov survey data , it was 50% yougov survey data, it was 50% really amongst those academics compared to only about 20% still significant level amongst the left wing majority. so we have a massive issue. only 1 left wing majority. so we have a massive issue. only1 in massive issue. only 1 in 5 brexit supporting academics would share that view with a colleague. toby young at the free speech union has had a 20% of their, i think, 2500 caseload has come from academics who have been punished for things they've written or spoken about . so it's written or spoken about. so it's just laughable to claim that that this isn't going on in a major way. but of course, they are always trying to claim there's no tension between academic freedom and so—called protection from hate speech. but of course, that term hate speech, subjectively defined, can be used to cancel and shut down free speech. >> okay. well, thank you very much indeed. eric kaufmann, professor of politics at the university of buckingham. i mean, lots of people will say, oh, you know, how does this impact me? it's just, you know,

a few academics aren't allowed to teach or study what perhaps they wanted to, but actually could have real big implications for the rest of society if certain research isn't being done, if certain areas of research are being essentially cancelled, if people aren't allowed to speak their mind in the university, then that goes on into wider society, into all the best jobs in the country, the best jobs in the country, the corporates, the institutions, politics, whatever it is. >> and also we're all downstream of this stuff. and if anything, you know, the last couple of years is anything to go by, just shows that everything is downstream from what happens in the universities and it can affect your banking, it can affect your banking, it can affect all sorts of parts of our >> okay. well, we're going to get to

break. well, we're coming up to the end of the show. so it is time for some of your views. and lots of you have been getting in touch about this bronze sculpture of the late queen and prince philip, sylvia, perhaps i shouldn't read this out. it may

be a little rude. she says. the queen looks like dot cotton. >> is that is that rude ? that's >> is that is that rude? that's dot cotton. are you being a bit rude to dot cotton? >> oh, well , maybe. oh, god, >> oh, well, maybe. oh, god, i've just insulted everyone at the same time. well, i think it's also that it's quite manly, isn't it ? isn't it? >> the stance and the face. and it's the way that her legs are sort of apart in the skirt. it looks more like a like a scotsman, a masculine stance . scotsman, a masculine stance. >> brian says the sculpture looks nothing like the queen. don't think she would be amused, and are just saying, by the don't think she would be amused, and are just saying , by the way, and are just saying, by the way, says reference that statue. the only thing perhaps right is the stance of prince philip, and david says the statue captures prince philip and the corgis better, but the queen looks nothing like that overtly manly stance. there you go . was the stance. there you go. was the sculpture drunk sculptor drunk on the third day? >> well, i think i'm right in saying that the sculptor actually, he does chess sets, so it could be interesting if he made a chess set with these statues as pieces. and you have your queen and david corgis instead of the knights would be

a good one. >> david says this comes close, but ronaldo's statue was the worst ever. yes, cristiano ronaldo, it looked nothing like him . and richard says a broader him. and richard says a broader point. there's too much of the emperor's new clothes in the arts world. artists seem to think they can get away with anything, and very few dare challenge them. the recent king's portrait is another example. yes. do you mean the one with all the red background where his head appeared to be floating, floating in the in the red mist? i'm not saying that i'm an art critic by any means, but when you go around the tate modern, sometimes you do question. but you know, i don't question. but you know, i don't question you have to be an art critic and critic in order to know whether something is good or bad art. >> it should be instinctive. >> it should be instinctive. >> yes, but we're told you have to be if you have to be educated. >> it's like with food. >> it's like with food. >> you're supposed to like the little tiny things. anyway, it's martin up next. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> afternoon. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. pretty chilly out there today

andifs pretty chilly out there today and it's only going to get colder overnight as the showers fade and many of us have clear spells. still some pretty heavy showers around at the moment though, particularly for the west midlands, north west england and wales. a rumble of thunder, even a bit of hail and there's some snow over the tops of the mountains across scotland in the showers, but they are fading in much of southern scotland, eastern england, southern england here will by and large have a dry night with those lengthy clear spells and temperatures dropping 4 or 5 degrees. that's in towns and cities, many rural spots not far off freezing. and of course, northern britain. there will be a frost for many in the countryside. so yes, a pretty cold start to thursday. but but a sunshine will soon start to lift those temperatures. by and large a fine start across east anglia. in the south—east there will again be plenty of showers packing in across north and west wales and parts of northwest england, a few for the north and the east of northern ireland. grazing the west coast of scotland. there'll be a few showers, but the central belt generally dry. much of the east coast . dry showers still coming coast. dry showers still coming in on a fairly brisk northerly wind, but those winds won't be

as strong. it won't feel quite as strong. it won't feel quite as cold during tomorrow . as cold during tomorrow. there'll be a few more showers tomorrow compared to today across southwest england, but they'll be pretty well scattered here and across wales, and certainly for a good part of central and eastern england. many places will be dry by and large a dry day in southern scotland as well, but it won't be warm even with a bit of sunshine temperatures struggling to get to 15 or 16 degrees. the winds, though, will be lighter than today, as i mentioned, so it'll probably feel a little less cold tomorrow. but tomorrow night again, as the showers fade and the skies clear, we are going to see those temperatures tumbling even more of a frost likely on friday morning . tumbling even more of a frost likely on friday morning. high pressure, though, is moving in across the south. that'll bring across the south. that'll bring a lot of fine weather through friday and the weekend. these weather fronts will bring some wetter weather and windy weather across the north and west into the weekend, but it will also by then start to warm up. >> that warm feeling inside. from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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