gb news. >> a very, very good afternoon to you. it's 3:00 pm and welcome to you. it's 3:00 pm and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. >> we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk. on today's show, the big question are labour the new nasty party.7 because yesterday nearly 100% of labour mps voted to axe the pensioners winter fuel allowance. and today gb news asked rachel reeves is labour the new nasty party who will not want to miss her answer? plus, on today's show, i'll be joined by two very worried pensioners in their 80s. plus their one of their carers who shared their fears about a looming winter of discontent . looming winter of discontent. and on last night's presidential tv debate in america, donald trump made the extraordinary claim that illegal immigrants are eating pets such as cats and dogs. does this story have legs

or is it a barking mad conspiracy theory? a new figures show that the uk has given away a staggering £7.8 billion to ukraine since the start of the war. bear in mind the winter fuel allowance was a mere £1.4 billion on top of that. a worrying new report shows that training ukrainian troops on british soil is draining a quarter of our own capability to drill our own soldiers. when will britain start to look after itself first? and that's all coming up in your next hour. what's the show? always a pleasure to have your company. so today is all about pensioner power, giving the power back to pensioners listening to their voices. i've been inundated with your messages of pensioners very, very concerned about what the winter fuel allowance being cut means for you . today i'll cut means for you. today i'll speak to a host of pensioners who tell me their concerns to pass on their messages to their mps who voted to axe their

winter fuel allowance, and also so they have a direct pipeline to sir keir starmer and rachel reeves. by the way, we sat down with rachel reeves for today's show. chris hope, our political edhon show. chris hope, our political editor, asked the question is the labour party the new nasty party? let me know what you think on that topic. the usual way gbnews.com/yoursay. but now your headlines with sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> martin. thank you. good afternoon. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines just after 3:00. the government has announced a public inquiry into the 1989 murder of belfast solicitor pat finucane. he was killed in his home and investigations found the attack involved collusion with the state. the 39 year old's family, who've campaigned for decades, welcomed the move with his son john posting on social media today is for my father. but dup leader gavin robinson criticised

the inquiry, claiming it perpetuates a hierarchy of victims in the troubles in northern ireland. now rishi sunak has reignited the battle against labour on its move to axe the winter fuel allowance for millions of pensioners . for millions of pensioners. continuing his focus from last week's exchanges at prime minister's questions, the conservative leaders pushed sir keir starmer for details on the impact of the cuts . impact of the cuts. >> we know why he's hiding the impact assessment. the labour party's own previous analysis claimed that this policy could cause 3850 deaths. so are the numbers in his impact assessment higher or lower than that ? higher or lower than that? >> however, prime minister sir keir starmer pushed back, claiming his government was having to clear up the conservatives mess because of the tough decisions that we're making to stabilise the economy. >> we can make sure that the triple lock shows that increases in pensions will outstrip any loss of payments. but before ,

loss of payments. but before, before he complains about us clearing up his mess, perhaps he'd like to apologise to the £22 billion black hole. >> meanwhile, this morning our political editor, chris hope, asked the chancellor, rachel reeves, if the looming october budget will be more bad for news pensioners. >> we've committed to those bus passes, to free tv licences for those entitled and free prescriptions, but we've also committed to the triple lock, not for just one year but for the duration of this parliament. and that means that pensioners will continue to rise by whichever is higher. 2.5% inflation or average earnings. and that means that pensioners have £900 more this winter and likely another £460 from next april. >> in other news, the business secretary has unveiled a multi—million pound package to support tata steel's to shift greener production. jonathan reynolds blamed the previous government for failing to make critical decisions . however, the

critical decisions. however, the conservatives are accusing labour of extending a deal they once criticised. jonathan reynolds says the new agreement includes investment opportunities to secure long term jobs, despite up to 2800 positions being at risk. >> tata are agreeing to offer a comprehensive training programme for any employee as an alternative to those at risk of compulsory redundancy. this would be on full pay for one month and then £27,000 a year per employee for 11 months. and tata will fund all of these costs. employees will be able to choose from recognised qualifications to develop sought after skills, which will be in high demand in the local economy now and long into the future . now and long into the future. >> now, no fault evictions could soon be history as the government prepares to ban section 21 evictions. the renters rights bill, set to be introduced today, promises sweeping changes to protect england's 11 million renters. it will also force private

landlords to take faster action on unsafe housing conditions. deputy prime minister angela rayner says the bill will overhaul renting and tackle unfair practices, but landlords warn the reforms must be fair to both sides. and donald trump and kamala harris clashed on crime, immigration, abortion and the economy in their first and possibly only presidential debate. the showdown began with a handshake, but quickly took a turn when harris mocked trump's rallies , accusing him of boring rallies, accusing him of boring his crowds. trump hit back, defending his popularity and attacking harris on her immigration stance and economic policies . policies. >> she's going to do this. she's going to do that. she's going to do all these wonderful things. why hasn't she done it? she's been there for three and a half years. they've had three and a half years to fix the border . half years to fix the border. they've had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about. why hasn't she done it ?

hasn't she done it? >> harris blamed trump for nationwide abortion restrictions and the capitol riot while questioning his fitness for office. >> donald trump left us the worst unemployment since the great depression. donald trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century. donald trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war . war. >> those are the latest headlines. now it's back to martin for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> thank you sophia. let's get stuck into our show today. it's all about pensioner power today. and we've heard from the prime minister after a tense day yesterday in the house of

commons as mps voted to scandalously cut winter fuel payments for old age pensioners. the conservatives and reform are vowing to name and shame labour party mps who voted, in their words, to freeze your grandparents as ministers doubled down on their decision to scrap winter fuel payments for 10 million british pensioners. now lest we forget, in 2017, angela rayner tweeted this. she tweeted that will theresa may confirm that 10 million pensioners will lose their winter fuel payments if their winter fuel payments if the tories are re—elected? well, they weren't re—elected. you were in power. angela rayner and your party decided to axe it. well 10 million pensioners are about to. but i thought you cared about this country's pensioners and also from 2017. this is what rachel reeves had to say. there's a message on screen there. i'll never forget a woman in leeds west. i spoke to who had purple fingers because her pension wasn't

enough to pay for the heating. we must act now. this is the same chancellor, rachel reeves now, whose idea it was to axe the winter fuel payment. and it just keeps getting worse and worse for the labour party. joining me now is our political editor , chris hope. chris, an editor, chris hope. chris, an astonishing day . yesterday you astonishing day. yesterday you were sterling brilliant work in westminster hall reporting on this all day. the votes came in live on the show. i was staggered by them. i was staggered by them. i was staggered by the fact that so many first time labour party mps followed the party line, 348 out of 348, 100% of the mps who voted to access. they are all from the labour party. quite simply, chris, my question is , simply, chris, my question is, is the labour party the new nasty party? >> well , they certainly have >> well, they certainly have their hands, fingers dipped in their hands, fingers dipped in the blood, to use a kind of shakespearean sort of caesar analogy . they've been made to, analogy. they've been made to, to back the government on a policy which would be the first attack line at the next election. again, four years, four years, five years away, but still a problem already. we're

seeing social media posts from tory mps or tory candidates at the next election saying your mp voted for this. how do you feel about that? earlier i spoke to rachel reeves, the chancellor in silverstone, and i asked her the actual question is labour the new nasty party? here's what she had to say . we'll come to the had to say. we'll come to the economy in a minute. but just about the vote yesterday in the house of commons on the winter fuel allowance, the fact is that 348 labour mps voted to make pensions colder this this winter is labour now the nasty party? >> well, this government faced a £22 billion black hole in the pubuc £22 billion black hole in the public finances. £22 billion black hole in the public finances . but we were public finances. but we were determined to protect the poorest pensioners, which is why pension credit and the winter fuel payment will continue to be paid to those pensioners who most need the support. but in addition to that, we committed to the triple lock in our manifesto not just for one year, but for the duration of this parliament and the triple lock means that this winter the new

state pension is worth £900 more than it was a year ago . than it was a year ago. >> rachel reeves talking to gb news for me earlier. i mean, i think interesting that there are these figures around here. you've got these figures from the gb news survey today that there are 70 new swing seats where the new labour mp of ibiza voted in favour of this measure, 90% of pensioners there will lose their winter fuel payment. people will not forget this. i do think it will turn into something akin to the increase in tuition fees, which damaged the lib dems so much, and also the lib dems so much, and also the issue of about 75% increase in the in the pension that gordon brown fought. these things become symbolic of almost an austerity labour party and the choice they made here to save 1.3 to 1.5 billion a year. is it worth it? and also in that same interview, available now on gb news website , i said to her, gb news website, i said to her, if all 800,000 people who haven't signed up for the state, the pension credit do so, will that wipe out the saving ? she

that wipe out the saving? she said well, she accepted that that line and said more than wipe out more than three times. but she said she'd rather it was paid to the right people than the wrong people. so despite that fact, remove everybody, but get the money into the right pockets. is the government's line. >> but that doesn't quite add up with the previous statement of if we didn't axe the winter fuel payment, there'd be a run on the pound. it would destroy the market. they made it out as a fiscal decision. hey presto, it's not. >> it feels that she's doing it on point of principle . there are on point of principle. there are talks of talking in amongst mps rebel mps this lunchtime. i've been talking with with them. they're saying that she's been talking about this privately for a few years now . so i'll look a few years now. so i'll look into that further. if we have evidence that the chancellor has looked into this idea of getting rid of this, of the universal benefit. that's interesting. they say they say clearly that this idea came to the government when they saw the state of the finances, the £22 billion black hole. >> a lot of people will be saying that. that doesn't add up when you look at the £10 billion given to the 5.5% public service pay given to the 5.5% public service pay rise, nhs workers, teachers ,

pay rise, nhs workers, teachers, half £1 billion to junior doctors, £100 million to train drivers, many of whom are on 70 grand a year anyway. and that gb news analysis you picked up there, it's an astonishing piece of work and it analyses who will be impacted the hardest. as you said , 70 new labour seats, first said, 70 new labour seats, first time labour seats swung swing seats swung from the tories and the snp. 90% of pensioners in those seats are set to lose their winter fuel allowance. and chris, when you look into where they are, there's a lot in the south—west, a lot in northumberland, a lot in scotland. i bet you they're going to be disproportionately impoverished, disproportionately cold. a lot of them are up north and therefore this is going to hit them hard . i think the oaps hit them hard. i think the oaps in these seats in particular are going to be very, very disgruntled. >> and they won't forget because if you're losing £300 a year, that's a problem. now the government says that we are increasing the state. the state pension. but of course that's only really going up by about 5% because of keeping pace with the increase of stuff in shops, inflation. this is on top of that and that's what's being

lost. that's why that's why many i mean we're seeing in our postbag @gbnews so many viewers and listeners so upset and on that precise point , please stick around. >> i want you to meet my next guest. now so how is scrapping the winter fuel allowance going to impact pensioners? well, i'm delighted to say now i'm joined by catherine plante who's the carer for her father douglas. and i believe we can cross them now in derbyshire. catherine, welcome to you and your magnificent father douglas there. thank you so much. i know you got in touch with me earlier on today on on our website, when you saw that we were trying to campaign on this issue. and i wanted to invite you on today , wanted to invite you on today, catherine, to tell your story to and tell your father's story. and why this cruel cut will impact you so hard . impact you so hard. >> hi, and thank you for having me on the show, martin. well basically, my father's. he'll be 84 this coming december. he's recently just come out of hospital , recently just come out of hospital, and he needs this winter fuel allowance,

obviously, to keep him warm, basically. and i'm just upset and disgusted that labour have actually done this . actually done this. >> and you live in a part of derbyshire, and you said to me earlier on your house is particularly difficult to heat. it's a big open space and so you need to keep your heating on. you're the primary carer you live in with your father , and live in with your father, and this will mean you having to make other sacrifices , won't it, make other sacrifices, won't it, catherine, in your father's care. tell us about that. >> it is? well, yeah, it is a big open plan house. there's no , big open plan house. there's no, doors in the main living area . doors in the main living area. it's all open plan, so in the winter, i, i can come down at seven in the morning, put the heating on, and it's still cold by mid—afternoon , yeah. i cut by mid—afternoon, yeah. i cut back. i'm going to have to cut back. i'm going to have to cut back now , we have, carers that back now, we have, carers that come in four times a day. i'm

going to have to cut that back to three times a day to make way, to have extra money just to try and put money aside for the winter fuel, because that's now £300 that we've lost, so it's now coming out of our own pockets to try and meet that catherine. >> i'm with our political edhon >> i'm with our political editor, chris hoy. we'd like to ask you a question. please >> catherine. hi. it's to great see you. thanks for coming on the channel. if i can ask you one question, i'll be seeing senior labour politicians at the party conference and hopefully the prime minister, sir keir starmer. i wondered if there's a question that douglas or you, on behalf of douglas, would like me to ask the prime minister directly . directly. >> yeah . why have you done it? >> yeah. why have you done it? basically, i mean, i've followed the manifestos of every single party in the run up to number 10. this was not part of the labour manifesto. why have you

doneit labour manifesto. why have you done it now? i think it's a it's a dirty trick. and it's you basically sealed the fate of thousands and thousands of pensioners, much like my father. and i want to know why . why have and i want to know why. why have you done it ? you done it? >> and can i ask catherine? you may not want to say, but how do you vote in elections? do you vote labour or a different party, party, >> no, i won't. i i didn't vote labour and i will never vote labour and i will never vote labour after what they've just done, i did for the first time actually vote for the liberal democrats because , their democrats because, their manifesto, i think i voted with my heart this time because, i don't i don't know his name. unfortunately but the leader of the liberal democrats is a carer himself for his disabled son. so that , that struck a chord with

that, that struck a chord with me. so i did vote for the democrats and catherine analysis that gb news have done has shown that gb news have done has shown that in seats such as where you live, you're in dalby north, right? >> you're in dalby, south littleover so your local parliamentarian is baggi shanker. he's labour. he voted to scrap the winter fuel allowance . so your local mp allowance. so your local mp voted to get rid of the £200 that you rely upon. so evidently to take care of your father as the primary live in carer, what do you think about the political class when they make decisions like this that impact people like this that impact people like you at grassroots level, and they impact you so hard and now you're looking down the barrel of a long, cold winter of discontent. >> yeah, i think they're so far removed they don't get the full impact of what their actions are doing , and if impact of what their actions are doing, and if i could say to, bagi , i hope you're pleased with

bagi, i hope you're pleased with yourself. why? why did your conscience not allow you to vote against this ? i really, really , against this? i really, really, really not pleased . really not pleased. >> catherine. plan. we're going to have to leave it there. thank you so much for reaching out to us this morning. i can tell you're emotional. just sending you're emotional. just sending you a huge amount of love. and to your wonderful dad there, you know, please keep up the good work. let's stay in touch and we're going to try we're going to make sure chris hope is here. yeah. he has the ear of the prime minister. we can try and get that comment to the prime minister on your behalf. we can try and play that video of you doing this. chris, you want to step in and just reaffirm what i say? >> yeah, that's what i'll be doing. and i mean, you might even try and get along to number 10 today and ask the question and give an answer back on the program in the next hour. >> okay. we're going to we're going to try. >> thanks, catherine. >> thanks, catherine. >> now catherine douglas, thank you so, so much forjoining us on the show. you take care. thank you very much. thanks. oh, i know what can you say, man? this is like real politics affecting real people. we'll

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channel. welcome back. it's approaching 3:25 on martin daubney on gb news. and i've still got the breath taken away from me by that previous interview. there

with catherine plant and her dad, douglas. they just reached out to me today on social media. i'm so proud of that kind of work we do on gb news with the people's channel. and when politics drives into people's lives like this in such a cruel way as they see it, i think it's ourjob way as they see it, i think it's our job to try way as they see it, i think it's ourjob to try and hold power, our job to try and hold power, to account, to give a voice to the people, especially pensioners. and we've got more of that coming later in the show. i'll be speaking to another old gentleman in his 80s who takes care of his wife with alzheimer's, who wants to tell us about how this cuts this cruel cut , as he sees it, has cruel cut, as he sees it, has impacted him. oftentimes it feels like these decisions are taken in total isolation in that place over there behind us, in westminster. they don't seem to live in the real world. they don't seem to understand. and this astonishing report looked at by gb news, if you recall, over the last couple of days, i've had david pennells on the show. he's the founder of the pensioners vote. he's done a list of shame of every mp across the land, how they voted, those who abstained, 53 abstained, of course, 34 of those from the

labour party and 348 out of 348 who voted to scrap this winter fuel allowance. they were all 100% of them from the labour party. and as we delve deeper into it, which we i promise you, we will continue to do, this story is not going away. this is not the kind of thing you can just throw out there and expect the british public just to swallow and move on. oh, tomorrow's chip paper. no chance. this is a story we're going to keep looking at. and today gb news can reveal of 70 new labour seats , 70 mps. of new labour seats, 70 mps. of those, 348 seats were returned as first time labour parliamentarians in seats that swung away from the conservatives, swung away from the snp and the data shows 90% 90% of pensioners in those constituencies are set to miss out on their winter fuel allowance, and when you delve into them a bit further, you see there is disproportionate amounts of poverty ,

amounts of poverty, disproportionate amounts of cold. a lot of these seats are in scotland, are in northumberland. we're going to make sure we keep naming and shaming and fighting for you. the great british pensioners now moving on. labour unleashed 1700 prisoners onto the streets yesterday in efforts they say, to tackle the overcrowding crisis. for some it was cause for celebration for everyone . for celebration for everyone. >> again . >> again. >> again. >> one almost everyone's been happy today, i'm sure. coming out though, isn't it? yeah. there's been a lot of happy people faces in there. yeah, yeah, yeah. so you're you're grateful to labour and you're grateful to labour and you're grateful to labour and you're grateful to the 100% labour, labour vote. labour all my life. yeah. labour's labour's one. >> that's what you call champagne socialism. popping corks and straight out of the nick to vote for the labour party. now thousands of prisoners could be placed in taxpayer funded hotels. but how does this make the public feel?

seeing prisoners released in this manner ? well, joining me this manner? well, joining me now is pastor lorraine jones burrell, the co—founder of the make it stop campaign . welcome make it stop campaign. welcome to the show, lorraine. pleasure to the show, lorraine. pleasure to have you, now then, tell us about the organisation you run. i understand you work with those newly released from prison . newly released from prison. >> yes. most definitely. i've been working with ex—offenders for a number of years now, and one of the things which is of most importance is the rehabilitation back into the community. we understand that the prime minister has, you know, ordered the release of a number of prisoners in the community. we want to see the resources where we can work with individuals so that they do not re—offend and go back into prison . prison. >> and lorraine, the director of the probation service, yesterday, yesterday said it's inevitable that there will be re—offending. we know 25% of

cases reoffend anyway. do you think that the early release of people will increase their likelihood of reoffending? because as you know, they're perhaps not prepared for that quick transition back to life on the streets ? the streets? >> well, they will definitely be you know, they will definitely reoffend if they have not got that support, like i said. but you've got grassroot organisations, you know, my organisations, you know, my organisation is dwayne simpson's foundation that make it stop campaign is a new campaign that ihave campaign is a new campaign that i have launched with emily carver, and we are working with a number of brilliant organisations that can help with the rehabilitation. what i would like to say to the prime minister is please reach out to us, let us be of help . i'm us, let us be of help. i'm supporting a mother, martin and ihave supporting a mother, martin and i have to say this. she lost her daughter . she i have to say this. she lost her daughter. she was i have to say this. she lost her daughter . she was approached by daughter. she was approached by a beggar. she didn't give him any money. he robbed her phone

and stabbed her multiple times to death . now our organisation to death. now our organisation are working with those that are going through the tremendous struggle in the community. we can help, but we need to have the resources to be able to facilitate what is needed by what our prime minister has allowed . allowed. >> i'm sort of speechless. you know, people like you are . know, people like you are. you're the bridge, you're the barrier, you're the buffer between, you know, such pain and the government. your work sounds astonishing. tell me more about it . it. >> yeah, well, martin, i don't know if you know. i lost my son, dwayne, to knife crime. the judge ruled in the case that my son died a peacekeeper because he saved a young boy from being stabbed. my son started a boxing jim martin, to help vulnerable young people in the lambeth community. it was those young

people after my son was killed that pleaded with me to keep the gym going . i've been keeping the gym going. i've been keeping the gym going. i've been keeping the gym going. i've been keeping the gym going. that's dynamics boxing club in lambeth for nine years. martin. i've now got a community centre where we are helping young people around education, the arts , music, as education, the arts, music, as well as providing an after school club. i'm working closely with una, who is the principal for evelyn grace academy and like i've said recently, ramila akbar has joined forces with me to help us make the violence stop. but i don't think that we should shy away from the challenges that ex—offenders have. they've been incarcerated. i don't know how long some of these, ex—prisoners have been incarcerated . we know we're incarcerated. we know we're struggling in the society with the cost of living . how will the cost of living. how will they cope ? we don't want a they cope? we don't want a

further increase of robberies , further increase of robberies, muggings. we know the police are overstretched. so with such a decision, what we want to see is the support from our prime minister so that we can get the job done in helping these prisoners that have been released. we've rolled up our sleeves. we want to help. i've got children, martin. i've got grandchildren . i born in the uk. grandchildren. i born in the uk. this is my home. we want to see a society that is low on violence, low on crime and thriving. and we can do this if we work together. martin i think you're an astonishing human. >> i absolutely feel i feel totally blown away by what you just said. pastor lorraine jonesborough, co—founder of the make it stop campaign. please, let's stay in touch. please come in the studio. please. let's try and work together. i think you're amazing. you've just blown me away today. thank you. so, so much for your work. what

a start to the show . what an a start to the show. what an emotional first 30 minutes. now there's lots more still to come between now and 4:00 as labour's first big budget approaches, businesses around the country are fearful that those with the most assets will be the hardest hit. so what does the future hold for our farmers? it's an astonishing story. stay tuned. but first, here's your latest news headlines. it's sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> martin. thank you. good afternoon. from the newsroom at 330. these are your headlines . 330. these are your headlines. the government has announced a pubuc the government has announced a public inquiry into the 1989 murder of belfast solicitor pat finucane, who was killed in his home and investigations found the attack involved collusion with the state. the 39 year old's family, who've campaigned for decades, welcomed the move, with his son john posting on social media today is for my father . but social media today is for my father. but dup leader gavin robinson criticised the inquiry, claiming it perpetuates a

hierarchy of victims in the troubles in northern ireland. labouris troubles in northern ireland. labour is facing mounting pressure from within its own ranks to reverse cuts to the winter fuel payment in today's exchanges at prime minister's questions, rishi sunak pushed sir keir starmer for details on the impact of the cuts, which will see 10 million pensioners lose the payment . despite the lose the payment. despite the opposition. the prime minister insists it's necessary to fix a 22 billion financial shortfall . 22 billion financial shortfall. this morning our political edhon this morning our political editor, chris hope, asked the chancellor, rachel reeves , if chancellor, rachel reeves, if the looming october budget will be more bad news for pensioners. >> we've committed to those bus passes, to free tv licences for those entitled and free prescriptions, but we've also committed to the triple lock not just for one year but for the duration of this parliament. and that means that pensioners will continue to rise by whichever is higher. 2.5% inflation or average earnings. that means that pensioners have £900 more

this winter , and likely another this winter, and likely another £460 from next april , and no £460 from next april, and no fault evictions could soon be history. >> as the government prepares to ban section 21 evictions, the renters rights bill, set to be introduced today, promises sweeping changes to protect england's 10 million renters. it will also force private landlords to take faster action on unsafe housing conditions. deputy prime minister angela rayner says the bill will overhaul renting and tackle unfair practices. but landlords warn the reforms must be fair to both sides . those are your both sides. those are your latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

slash alerts. >> thank you sophia. now we've already had an astonishing response from you out there. the beautiful gb news viewers to our first half hour. catherine plant and her father douglas, who missed out on their winter fuel allowance , has really got you allowance, has really got you going. please add your voices to that , and going. please add your voices to that, and we'll make sure we give you your say. go to gbnews.com forward, slash your say and i'll read out the best of your messages a later in the show. martin daubney on gb news

channel. welcome back. your time is 339. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. as labour's first budget approaches, businesses around the country are fearful that those with the most assets could be the hardest hit. reports suggest that labour are considering changes to inheritance tax. there are currently several exemptions , currently several exemptions, including on agricultural land and family businesses , but these

and family businesses, but these could be lifted to include them . could be lifted to include them. gb news northern ireland reporter dougie beattie has this reporter dougie beattie has this report on the concerns farmers have with potential looming tax. >> sam hanna is a third generation farmer who will eventually take over the business. but to stay competitive, he has had to put in substantial investment, milking parlour buildings and all would have been 300 to 350,000. >> we've invested, i had a loan for 100,000 on it to, try to improve the farm, make it more economic, and more beneficial towards us going forward. we already pay our income tax each yean already pay our income tax each year, and our assets are also included in our income tax. each yeah included in our income tax. each year. so if we have more assets or more , stock or more, or more, stock or more, machinery, where that's all taken into our tax bill. so if we're going to until an inheritance tax or go in that direction, why should we be paying direction, why should we be paying in tax on stuff that's already been taxed every year?

>> in 1974, harold wilson scraped into pa he immediately settled with the unions, but to pay settled with the unions, but to pay the bill, he introduced the capital transfer tax designed to tax those with assets. family businesses and farms were hit the hardest and this drove up the hardest and this drove up the price of food and hampered economic growth. in 1986, thatcher's government reversed the policy. but if it returns , the policy. but if it returns, who will benefit the most? >> if you find that small farms and farmers are going to have to sell off land, who's going to buy it? the people who want to be virtuous and say, we're offsetting our carbon output by having trees planted on ground or buying land or whatever. it's big companies who are going to do that and that a labour government that says it wants to curtail big business and the

worst aspects of big business could actually be through its tax policy. >> the government that enhances the power of big business. >> many farmers get less than the minimum wage , and the return the minimum wage, and the return of death duties could be the final blow for these farming families. >> if we had to pay an inheritance tax at the end, it would cripple it. it would, the money isn't there to do it. as i say, we're asset rich , cash say, we're asset rich, cash poon say, we're asset rich, cash poor. and if you take them assets away , you have no farm at assets away, you have no farm at the end of it. >> dougie beattie gb news county . down >> it's a superb, thought provoking report by dougie beattie. i'm gonna get him on in the next hour to talk it through, because if we have to sell off our farming land, who's going to buy it? perhaps the states. what will they do with it? perhaps build houses on it. solar farms. and then what happens to food sovereignty? we become more and more dependent on overseas importation. have they thought this through, or is this designed to just hammer

agricultural land and kill off our farming industry already massively under attack? we'll have much more on that in the next hour. love that story. now moving on. an inquiry has been ordered into the murder of solicitor pat finucane , and solicitor pat finucane, and that's the irish premier. simon harris said the announcement of a public inquiry into the murder of that solicitor was part of a new approach by the uk government into legacy issues in northern ireland. let's have a listen. >> 39 he was brutally murdered in his home in north belfast by loyalist paramilitary group the ulster defence association in front of his wife geraldine, who was wounded, and his three children, one of whom is now the honourable member for belfast north. from that day onwards , north. from that day onwards, mrs. finucane and her family have campaigned tirelessly in search of answers about the killing of their loved one. >> an important inquiry will make sure we keep our eye on

that one for you. now next new report shows that training ukrainian troops on british soil is draining a quarter of our capability to even train our own soldiers. is it time to have a rethink on the amount of money and time and resources we put into the ukraine? i martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. time is 347 on martin daubney on gb news now as the ukrainian war approaches. three years since it began. a major decision could be made with british missiles being used by ukraine to strike russia. foreign secretary david lammy and us secretary of state antony blinken. well, they're currently in ukraine to meet president zelenskyy as restrictions on using long—range missiles are being lifted. but a

new report says the uk has given an astonishing £7.8 billion to ukraine since the start of the war. so is it time to stop providing so much aid and instead focus more on this country's needs? well, joining us now to discuss this development is our national reporter , charlie peters. reporter, charlie peters. charlie, welcome to the show. always an absolute pleasure to have you on, charlie. the figures leap out of this report today are astonishing . £7.8 today are astonishing. £7.8 billion in support since january 2022. and of course, yesterday we saw £1.4 billion axed on the winter fuel allowance. and also charlie. tell us about this incredible statistic out of this new report here, saying that this is affecting our ability to train our >> well, good afternoon, martin. i'm going to give you another first, because david lammy, the foreign secretary, has just announced a further £600 million of aid for ukraine. as part of that visit with antony blinken

to kyiv to meet with president zelenskyy. now, this will bring british funding further beyond that. 8 billion mark. you just quoted the 7.8 from the nao report. so this comes as keir starmer has also committed some £3 billion as required of military support at the start of his premiership. now, in this announcement made just 20 minutes ago, the defence secretary , john healey, said secretary, john healey, said that our commitment to ukraine is ironclad. but as you said , is ironclad. but as you said, martin, this could be coming at a cost to british defence capacity. it's obviously in britain's strategic objectives to continue to support ukraine. they see that ongoing conflict as vital to european and british national security . but this is national security. but this is potentially limiting our capacity to defend, train and equip our own troops. something like an eight fold increase in

the number of exercises cancelled due to the training of ukrainian forces. now britain has trained more ukrainians than any other nato member, some 42,000 troops trained under operation interflex since 2022. previously it was called operation orbital. it ran from 2015 when the invasion of crimea kicked off, but it has had an impact on the availability of british forces to use their own exercise areas and training units. operation inter forge, which was royal marine training of ukrainian marine forces that was actually moved to the netherlands last year because it was impacting the capacity of the royal royal marines. now quite a small and highly specialised force, it was affecting their capacity to carry out their future commando force training. now this comes as the british military, as you know, martin is in a difficult

situation with manning and recruitment just under 74,000 troops in the regular army . now, troops in the regular army. now, as it faces a recruitment crisis, the smallest the army has been since the napoleonic era, but it has been delivering successfully this training to ukrainian forces. the mod sees it as one of the key military training that they need, and th as also of the key military it as one of the key military objectives and successes of objectives and successes of recent years. they're teaching recent years. they're teaching those ukrainian forces in a five those ukrainian forces in a five week rushed package section, week rushed package section, battle drills, platoon attacks , battle drills, platoon attacks , battle drills, platoon attacks, vital field medicine, battle drills, platoon attacks, vital field medicine, intelligence signals , all the intelligence signals , all the intelligence signals, all the battlefield close combat skills intelligence signals, all the battlefield close combat skills that they'll required in the that they'll required in the sort of fighting happening in sort of fighting happening in the east of europe. but as you the east of europe. but as you say, martin, a lot of concern say, martin, a lot of concern about what this means for the about what this means for the british military, the now the british military, the now the watchdog saying that this was watchdog saying that this was constraining the army's ability constraining the army's ability to train its own soldiers . now, to train its own soldiers . now, to train its own soldiers. now, in reaction to this, the mod has to train its own soldiers. now, in reaction to this, the mod has said today that all uk forces said today that all uk forces are getting the required are getting the required training that they need, and training that they need, and

they also they also thanked the nao for this report, pointing towards the contribution that britain has towards ukraine. >> so astonishing, isn't it? you know, the day after they axed the winter fuel allowance to save 1.4 billion charlie peters, they that with

alison, for sharing that with us. geoff also adds this. i'd like to see all pensioners descend on their local mp surgery to make the case to them and remind them that they do not work for keir starmer and his whipped vote. they actually work for us. the constituency , the for us. the constituency, the voters, the pensioners. so they should enjoy these five years ahead of them because it might be their last five years as a member of parliament. geoff, do you know what? i think that's a great idea. why don't we see some oaps, some old age protesters turning up at a at their local party office and say, do you know what, i can't afford to turn my heating on. why don't i come inside your nice, warm office? why don't you make me a cup of tea and you're absolutely right. they work for us, and it's about time, perhaps, that they remembered that , i've got a perhaps, that they remembered that, i've got a message here from somebody called dame. this is carol vorderman. you remember one of the biggest trumpets of getting the conservatives out yesterday, astonishingly, asking for sir keir starmer to apologise for acting the winter

fuel allowance. dame says this, even for lefties like carol vorderman, are calling for sir keir starmer to reverse the axing of the pensioners fuel allowance. you reap what you . so allowance. you reap what you. so now the tory leadership race heats up as mel stride is eliminated. but who has the best chance to lead the conservative party? can anybody save the party? or, after their dismal turn at the general election, is the party over? they're to down the party over? they're to down the final four. we'll be joined by a tory grandee to give his opinion on whether or not the tories ship can be saved. i'm martin daubney on gb news. britain's news channel. now it's time for your. britain's news channel. now it's time for your . weather. time for your. weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . solar sponsors of weather on. gb. news >> evening. time for your weather update from the met office here on gb news. pretty cold out there this evening.

temperatures are going to fall further through the night. yes, there will be a touch of frost, particularly in parts of the north in the countryside thanks to the winds coming around this area of low pressure all the way down from the arctic. hence why we do have the chill at the moment. there's a fair few showers still around this evening, but for many they'll tend to fade well, some going in northern scotland, a few for the northern scotland, a few for the north of northern ireland. northern parts of wales, northwest england, but elsewhere many areas dry and clear and the winds easing a touch overnight. which is why those temperatures will tumble to down 4 or 5 degrees in towns and cities. but rural spots, particularly in the northern half of the uk, likely to be close to or a little bit below freezing to start thursday. so yes, a chill in the air tomorrow morning and there will still be showers in the air as well, coming in across northern scotland. still a fairly brisk wind, but not as lively and not as gusty as the winds have been through the day today. those breezes will bring a few showers across northern parts of northern ireland. plenty packing in across wales, although the south coast

probably dry and a good part of england having a dry, fine and sunny start to thursday, albeit with that chill in the air. now to get through the day we'll see the clouds bubbling up a little bit, but i don't think we'll see as many showers as we've seen through the course of today. still plenty for wales and a few more coming into south west england and across northern scotland, but much of southern scotland, but much of southern scotland dry and large parts of eastern england and the midlands also staying dry and dodging the showers with some sunny spells. but despite a bit of sunshine, temperatures on the chilly side. similar values to today, but at least the winds tomorrow will be a little lighter. lighter still on friday and even again likely to see more of a frost on friday morning. much of the country, though, will be dry and fine on friday. we will see rain coming into the north—west, the winds picking up here as well. that's a sign of a change. things turning wetter across the north into the weekend. staying dry in the south and slowly warming up that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> a very, very good afternoon to you. it's 4:00 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk. on today's show, simple question are labour the new nasty party? yesterday, nearly 100% of labour mps who voted to axe the pensioners winter fuel allowance today gb news asked rachel reeves that precise question is labour the new nasty party? you would not want to miss her answer on today's show. i'll also be joined by another worried pensioner, a gentleman in his 80s who share his fears about a looming winter of discontent. and next, with the conservative leadership hopefuls down to the final four. can the tories build back their shattered credibility , back their shattered credibility, or is the party over for the conservatives? i'll be joined by tory grandee sir john conservatives? i'll be joined by

tory grandee sirjohn hayes to tory grandee sir john hayes to weigh up the runners and the riders . and on last night's riders. and on last night's presidential tv debate over in america, donald trump made the extraordinary claim that illegal immigrants are eating pets such as cats and dogs. does this story have legs or is it a barking mad conspiracy theory? and new figures show that the uk has given £7.8 billion to ukraine since the start of the war. in fact, we heard in the last 20 minutes david lammy has just found an extra 600 million. and on top of that, a worrying new report shows that training ukrainian troops on british soil is draining a quarter of our own capability to drill our own soldiers. is it time to reconsider our actions? that's all coming up in your next hour. what's the show? a pleasure to have your company. i've been blown away by responses to catherine plant, who joined me

at the top of the 3:00, told the story about how the winter fuel allowance will impact her and her father, who's 84, who has shared the primary carer for and a cold home in derbyshire. we're the people's channel. we want to give the people a voice and you can get involved in that conversation too, by going to gbnews.com forward slash your say. now it's your headlines and here's sophia wenzler. >> martin thank you. good afternoon. it'sjust >> martin thank you. good afternoon. it's just gone 4:00. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. rishi sunak has reignited the battle against labour on its move to axe the winter fuel allowance for millions of pensioners. continuing his focus from last week's exchanges at prime minister's questions, the conservative leaders pushed sir keir starmer for details on the impact of the cuts. >> we know why he's hiding the impact assessment. the labour party's own previous analysis claimed that this policy could cause 3850 deaths. so are the

numbers in his impact assessment higher or lower than that ? higher or lower than that? >> however, prime minister sir keir starmer pushed back, claiming his government was having to clear up the conservatives mess because of the tough decisions that we're making to stabilise the economy. >> we can make sure that the triple lock shows that increases in pensions will outstrip any loss of payments. but before , loss of payments. but before, before he complains about us clearing up his mess, perhaps he'd like to apologise to the £22 billion black hole. >> meanwhile, this morning our political editor, chris hope , political editor, chris hope, asked the chancellor, rachel reeves, if the looming october budget will be more bad news for pensioners. >> we've committed to those bus passes to the free tv licences for those entitled and free prescriptions, but we've also committed to the triple lock not just for one year but for the duration of this parliament. and that means that pensioners will

continue to rise by whichever is higher, 2.5% inflation or average earnings. and that means that pensioners have £900 more this winter and likely another £460 from next april. >> in other news, the foreign secretary has announced over £600 million worth of support for ukraine. david lammy is currently in ukraine with antony blinken and they're calling it a critical moment in the war with russia. theirjoint critical moment in the war with russia. their joint visit follows reports that joe biden will lift a ban on british storm shadow missiles being used on russian territory after iran suppued russian territory after iran supplied ballistic missiles to russia back in the uk. the business secretary has unveiled a multi—million pound package to support tata steel's shift to greener production. jonathan reynolds blamed the previous government for failing to make critical decisions. however, the conservatives are accusing labour of extending a deal they once criticised. jonathan reynolds says the new agreement includes investment

opportunities to secure long term jobs, despite up to 2800 positions being at risk. >> tata are agreeing to offer a comprehensive training programme for any employee as an alternative to those at risk of compulsory redundancy. this would be on full pay for one month and then £27,000 a year per employee for 11 months, and tata will fund all of these costs. employees will be able to choose from recognised qualifications to develop sought after skills, which will be in high demand in the local economy now and long into the future . now and long into the future. >> now, no fault evictions could soon be history as the government prepares to ban section 21 evictions. the renters rights bill, set to be introduced today, promises sweeping changes to protect england's 11 million renters. it will also force private landlords to take faster action on unsafe housing conditions. deputy prime minister angela rayner says the bill will overhaul renting and tackle

unfair practices. but landlords warn the reforms must be fair to both sides . and donald trump and both sides. and donald trump and kamala harris clashed on crime, immigration, abortion and the economy in their first and possibly only presidential debate. the showdown began with a handshake, but quickly took a turn when harris mocked trump's rallies, accusing him of boring his crowds. trump hit back, defending his popularity and attacking harris on her immigration stance and economic policies. >> she's going to do this. she's going to do that. she's going to do all these wonderful things. why hasn't she done it? she's been there for three and a half years. they've had three and a half years to fix the border . half years to fix the border. they've had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about. why hasn't she done it ? hasn't she done it? >> and harris blamed trump for nationwide abortion restrictions and the capitol riot while questioning his fitness for

office. >> donald trump left us the worst unemployment since the great depression . donald trump great depression. donald trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century. donald trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war. >> those are the latest headlines. more in half an hour. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gb news. com forward slash alerts . com forward slash alerts. >> thank you sophia. now a cracking arrowhead. let's get stuck in. and we've heard from the prime minister after a tense day yesterday in the house of commons, as mps voted controversially to cut winter fuel payments for 10 million british pensioners. conservatives and reform are vowing to name and shame labour

party mps who voted, in their words, to freeze your grandparents as ministers doubled down on their decision to scrap winter fuel payments for those 10 million british pensioners. well join me now. in our studio is our political edhon our studio is our political editor, chris hope. so, chris hope, we've carried the results of that astonishing vote on this show live yesterday. it became rapidly and abundantly clear that this was a party vote. 348 mps voted to scrap the winter fuel allowance, all of them, 348 were the labour party. could this be the moment that poll tax moment where maggie thatcher, milk snatcher moment, is this £1.4 billion saving simply going to haunt them? are they the new nasty party? >> well, that's a question that can be asked, of course. now the idea of a nasty party throws back to theresa may in 2001. she gave a speech to tory members after that catastrophic defeat in 2001, after the 97 997 labour

election landslide. and she said the problem was we are the nasty party. how can we fix that? and that gave birth to david cameron. the new idea of a nasty party is because you have all these, these mps who have voted to remove £300 every year from 10 million people who might vote for you. that is a problem. and we're going to see, i think any of these, these people who feel badly about this will look at the other choices made by this government. the spending, and wonder why that's happening now. the war in ukraine is the most sympathetic way to spend money in government at the moment. but as we speak, david lammy has announced £600 million for ukraine, taking their total, i think, margin to £84 billion. we as a country have given them since january 2022. no one is saying that's money not well spent, but there are choices being made by the government to spend money in ukraine and not on pensions. but the idea of a nasty party is a question that i asked on your behalf of the chancellor, rachel reeves, at dawn this morning in silverstone. here's what you had to say . we'll come to the to say. we'll come to the economy in a minute, but just

about the vote yesterday in the house of commons on the winter fuel allowance, the fact is that 348 labour mps voted to make pensions colder. this this winter is labour now the nasty party? >> well, this government faced a £22 billion black hole in the pubuc £22 billion black hole in the public finances. but we were determined to protect the poorest pensioners, which is why pension credit and the winter fuel payment will continue to be paid to those pensioners who most need the support. but in addition to that, we committed to the triple lock in our manifesto not just for one year but for the duration of this parliament. and the triple lock means that this winter, the new state pension is worth £900 more than it was a year ago . than it was a year ago. >> that's rachel reeves talking to me earlier in silverstone. a big issue there, i think. and what's going to happen, people will look at the choices being made by this government and choices being made, which you don't have to do. £1.5 billion being saved in years two, three, four onwards. but look at the

money that could be saved by not doing that. >> and this story won't go away. we're going to make sure sure as mustard , this story doesn't go mustard, this story doesn't go away. spoke to catherine plante, away. spoke to catherine plante, a carer for her father douglas, earlier in the show. we speak to another pensioner in his 80s. in the next hour, but some astonishing analysis of who voted the labour party by gb news overnight. chris hope, 70, new labour seats, swing seats that were previously conservative or snp, 90% of the pensioners living in those constituencies with a fresh labour mp are set to lose their winter fuel allowance. and chris, when you delve into it, they are often in more impoverished areas in the southwest and in cornwall , southwest and in cornwall, they're in northumberland and scotland, where we know it gets a lot colder. these are decisions that are going to have very , very real impacts on a lot very, very real impacts on a lot of people. and i wonder if these mps know what they're doing here. >> well, that's right. the swing seats where you've got a reform are biting at the heels of those new labour mps. and that's why i think it's a real worry here about what have they done here.

and this will not, will not be forgotten . i look back in forgotten. i look back in history, maybe to the early 2010s, when the lib dems went through and they voted for a tory policy to increase tuition fees. lib dems were never forgiven for that. and it took 2 or 3 elections to wipe that slate clean. but even now, anecdotally, it's talked about the £0.75 increase by gordon brown on the state pension . that brown on the state pension. that was a massive own goal, which they took a while to get over in they took a while to get over in the in the mid 2000 by the labour government. so there's a choice here being made by rachel reeves which has surprised many because there are so many other ways to save that money. 1.5 billion. and in fact, i asked her in the meeting earlier with rachel reeves, it is the case, isn't it, that if all 800,000 people who haven't signed up for the pension credit do so with that, wipe out the 1.5 billion you'd saved? and she didn't really answer the question, but she said that she wants to make sure that those who receive the benefit are in need of it, basically accepting it. >> but the answer is yes. >> but the answer is yes. >> the answer was yes without saying it. >> if all of those pensioners apply, i think we did this on

yesterday's show, it'd be something like £3.1 billion. so totally eradicate any saving. but is this about the money? and you know that 600 million mentioned there about david lammy suddenly fishing out the back of the sofa at downing street, given to president zelenskyy . i think, chris, every zelenskyy. i think, chris, every single piece of expenditure now is going to go through the scrutiny of, well, that could have gone on the winter fuel allowance. >> i don't think i'm not. i'm not saying you're not saying that the money shouldn't go to ukraine. the point is, it will be scrutinised because you've got choices being made here. you've got the research done by the labour party back in 2017, when this last reared its head seriously, that 4000 pensioners would die from the removal of this benefit. you know, that's the choice being made by this government. and if i did ask the chancellor, are you not putting the economy ahead of pensioners lives again? she didn't want to answer these questions. they're difficult questions to answer because they go to the heart of the choice made by the labour government. >> and chris, there's another question you asked. we'll pull this clip for the next hour. but specifically, we know that

members of parliament, including rachel reeves, they get their homes, their second homes, heated for free paid for by taxpayers. >> yeah. the numbers in today's telegraph, it's worth looking at that. that of course, as an mp you do have a second home. she has an mp from up north, so she has an mp from up north, so she has she has a second home in london, which we pay to heat because we have to pay the bills to maintain the home that she wouldn't require if she weren't an mp. but the bill for hers, i think, is nearly £4,000 over five years, i mean, someone said on twitter, is she heating heating a goldfish pond? i mean, why do you need all that money? i guess it's about £1,000 a yean i guess it's about £1,000 a year, so maybe it's about right . year, so maybe it's about right. but the point is, you've got mps voting to remove this benefit from pensioners who are who are getting state support for their own heating bills and that's what i think is hard to stomach for many people. >> and i think it's just that feeling of one rule for them, one rule for us. and that's what really sticks in people's craw. and i think, well, i know, i know for sure , david pinless, know for sure, david pinless, who works, he runs the founder of the pensioner vote. he's did

that that name, that list of shame for us. every mp in the land who started already. >> you've got tory candidates who have just lost two months ago narrowly in some cases to labour mps. they are now saying 19,000 pensioners in your seat will now go cold, be cold this winter or risk being cold this winter or risk being cold this winter because of the way that your mp voted. and this is the first line, i think, as i said last night to you, martin, on all of those, those election leaflets and addresses being being prepared by these candidates at the next election in four years time, if only we had an effective opposition. >> and on that point, let's had an effective opposition. >> and on that point , let's talk >> and on that point, let's talk about the fact we now know yesterday again broke on this show at 5:00 pm. again you were grabbing conservatives do my best as it went through westminster hall. but now we know we're down to the final four. tell us more . four. tell us more. >> yes, of course, robert jenrick came top. i mean , jenrick came top. i mean, essentially all of the votes from priti patel were shared out equally. yeah. jenrick was up 5

to 33. mps backed him on the tory side, kemi badenoch plus 6 to 28 and tom tugendhat surged to 28 and tom tugendhat surged to 21. mps james cleverly on 21. those four names now go forward to the tory party conference. there will be a series of hustings, the final two chosen after that and then they'll be put forward to the membership and hopefully we can help with with gb news viewers getting questions to them then and try and hold them to account. and the result announced on november the result announced on november the second. but it looks like momentum is suddenly with those three, not with james cleverly, although i think james cleverly has always been my dark horse. yes, he's someone who i think the membership relate to. >> yeah, and i think out of the you might call them the centrist two, the cleverly and the tugendhat . would your money be tugendhat. would your money be on cleverly to make the grade there. and so then we know mel stride has gone. that leaves robert jenrick and kemi badenoch badenoch beg your pardon from i guess you would call it the political right. would you expect one of the centrists to go against one from the right? and that's your final two? >> that should be the choice mps are meant to be choosing, giving members a choice to choose one,

and members being the grassroots. so it'd be a shame if it was both in the same wing of the party. they want a choice. i think the base, the base are thought to be pretty right wing. they chose, didn't they? boris johnson and liz truss the previous two times this happened. >> do you think, looking back, obviously hindsight is a great thing. nobody's got a crystal ball. we can all but we've all got a rear view mirror. do you think they've made a mistake by leaving it so long? i mean, so much has happened. normally they call it a silly season. there's a time to reflect. this year we had the riots. we had the southport killings. there hasn't been a quiet day in politics since the general election. the conservative party seems to have been pretty absent from the battlefield the entire time. do you think they'll look back and kick themselves? they didn't get this job done quicker. >> i think they won't. i'll tell you why. the scale of labour's majority 170 or so mps, means there's no jeopardy surrounding this government for five years, 4 or 5 years. there is no election until 2028 2029. back in the 70s, when margaret thatcher became leader in about 75 or 6, i think it was there was a very real risk the labour

government could collapse. we've had this tory government teetering on the edge of collapse over recent , recent collapse over recent, recent years, and i think there is no way it's going to happen. so they may as well spend some time working out who's the best leader for them. okay. >> well stick around because after the break we've got sir john hayes, tory grandee. we're going to put this to him. is there any hope in saving the tory party or is the party over? so time for the great british giveaway now, the biggest cash prize that we've ever given away. 36 grand could be yours in cold, hard cash, tax free. and that's like having an extra three grand in your bank account every single month for a whole yeah every single month for a whole year. now here's all the details that you need to trouser it. >> you can be the next great british giveaway winner with a whopping £36,000 in tax free cash in your bank account. imagine getting the winning phone call for that. >> you never expect to win. >> you never expect to win. >> it was unexpected. of course, i only put in one little entry. >> i blocked the phone number to start with. >> i say get your entries in. >> i say get your entries in. >> if i can win it, anybody can

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welcome back. your time is 423. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. getting back to that tory leadership race, robert jenrick is leading the pack. well joining me now is the conservative mp sirjohn hayes. sir john welcome to the studio. so i'm assuming you are team robert jenrick . your man at the robert jenrick. your man at the moment is out in front. tell us why you think he should bag the top job. >> i guess three things above all others. first, he's got the intellect, the intelligence to deliver and a narrative to devise and deliver a narrative. >> secondly, that he shown appropriate levels of principle and courage. >> and remember that he stepped down from the sunak government because he felt that they needed to be tougher on migration and brought a number of amendments to the house accordingly. >> and thirdly, because i think we can market robert, i think

he's the kind of politician that the public will accept should be leading the country. >> he he has the background. he has the experience, he represents newark, not too far from where i do, which is a small town in nottinghamshire, brought up in wolverhampton , brought up in wolverhampton, working class parents in the north—west of london. you know, he has the kind of character and approach which i think we can persuade. the british public will be beneficial for both my party and for the country. >> well, sir john, that's my father's member of parliament. so bob, my dad, are you listening? was that a good pitch , listening? was that a good pitch, sir john? i'm also joined in the sirjohn? i'm also joined in the studio here by chris hope. our political editor. he's got a question for you, john. >> great to see you on gb news. you said there that he's the type of politician people think should be made a leader. is that part of the problem with robert jenrick? he's a bit of an identikit classic tory. and if you look at who he's up against,

you look at who he's up against, you know, kemi badenoch, james cleverly , both from ethnic cleverly, both from ethnic minority backgrounds, that would let someone stand out, be different and challenge labour in a way which robert jenrick couldn't . couldn't. >> it wouldn't be different from rishi sunak, would it, so, you know, it's not as if the conservative party has ever been timid about choosing people, regardless of their origins or background. and so i don't think it's about, you know , ticking a it's about, you know, ticking a box. i don't think it's about whether you're an ethnic from an ethnic minority background or you're male or female, but whether you have the core qualities necessary to lead. and i talked about insight and intelligence. i talked about principle, and i talked about being connected, you know, having the sort of experience of life on that point . life on that point. >> hinckley on that point, you say core principle. of course, he was a remainer, and you're proposing to pitch him in against someone else amongst a base, which is very eurosceptic.

the electorate choosing is the 130 or so, 130,000 tory mps are broadly brexiteer. and he wasn't, was he? back in 2016? >> well, as you know, i was a very staunch brexiteer myself. if you look at the people backing robert jenrick, people like myself and edward lee, caroline johnson, all from nottinghamshire and then people from other parts of the country that are supporting rubber , that are supporting rubber, leading brexiteers and bill cash , leading brexiteers and bill cash, i know is a great admirer and supporter of robert jenrick , and supporter of robert jenrick, and no one could, second guess bill cash when it comes to, to, to brexit. so i actually think robert is attracting support from brexiteers and i just cite his determination to take back control from the european court. he's the only candidate in this election who said that he believes now we should free ourselves from the echr, which, as you know, has stymied government's attempts because of the power of that foreign court

to deal, for example, with the issue of immigration. so there's courage there. there's principle there. and i think he's he's got there. and i think he's he's got the right message. and a determination to deliver it. >> so, john, isn't there a bigger threat to robert jenrick? in fact, the entire conservative party. and that's the bigger brexiteer, you might say the top brexiteer, you might say the top brexiteer, and that's nigel farage. the reform party seem to have stolen a lot of the clothes, a lot of the thunder of the conservative party certainly stole 4 million votes. and i wonder if a lot of people are thinking, does it matter who the conservative party leader is? a huge amount of trust was lost. a huge amount of trust was lost. a huge amount of votes were lost. is it a case of is this rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic? is there not matter who's the leader? because the party seems to be sinking? >> well, the leadership matters, but the message matters more. and you have to have a leader that , as i and you have to have a leader that, as i described earlier, has got the capability of devising and delivering a message to those very voters, now i take the view that that's about a affirmation of what i

would describe as authentic toryism. conservative values. people who vote conservative expect to get a conservative government. that's not unreasonable, is it? and i just don't think they felt we were conservative enough. so it's not about tacking to the centre or pandenng about tacking to the centre or pandering to the liberal left agenda. it's about being proud of our conservatism, which is both , around the national both, around the national interest. i've talked about europe and the echr, but also about the common good, about a party that recognises that the things we share have got to be great and the things that divide us.the great and the things that divide us. the fortuner have a responsibility to the less fortunate. this is a holistic, communitarian tourism, which is both, as i say, an affirmation of the authenticity of our message, but making sure that message, but making sure that message is transmitted in a way that's attractive to those voters. we lost last time . it's voters. we lost last time. it's also, you know, just just the reform basis, if i may, a leader that's competent. >> yes, i get it, john. just very finally , before we run out

very finally, before we run out of time, do you think this is going for on too long? martin daubney in your studio here has been questioning it. i was i was, of course, with you for robert jenrick leadership launch in newark. i think at the beginning of last month. it runs until october, november the 2nd. do you think you're giving labour a free run to. well, frankly , take money away from frankly, take money away from pensioners at the moment ? pensioners at the moment? >> well, i think you would have been impressed by that leadership launch in newark, chris. i mean, it's for you to say so, but i, i certainly was, andifs say so, but i, i certainly was, and it's important. it's thorough, so you're right that the challenge that brings is that labour are doing lots of things that we have been challenging them indeed in the house on that issue of pensioners, you know, we voted this week against the labour attempt to steal money from our pensioners. so that's an ongoing battle, but it has to be thorough and rac deserve their say. so it's not just about what mps think, although that matters too. the members deserve their chance to assess all of these candidates in the round. so

whilst that is time consuming, i think the thoroughness is what matters most . matters most. >> okay, okay. john hayes, thank you very much. and the party members go to a ballot which closes on october 31st. happy halloween. and of course a new leader. then november the 2nd. sir john, thank you very much. and also chris hope in the studio as ever. thank you both very much, gentlemen. now, lots more still to come between now and 5:00 and following a new trial, weight loss jabs could be given to obese kids as young as six. is that really a good idea ? six. is that really a good idea? fat jabs for fat kids. see you in three. but first, here's your headunes in three. but first, here's your headlines with sophia wenzler. >> martin. thank you. good afternoon. it'sjust >> martin. thank you. good afternoon. it's just gone for 30. these are your headlines. the government has announced a pubuc the government has announced a public inquiry into the 1989 murder of belfast solicitor pat finucane. he was killed in his home and investigations found the attack involved collusion

with the state. the 39 year old's family, who have campaigned for decades, welcomed the move with his son john posting on social media today is for my father. but dup leader gavin robinson criticised the inquiry, claiming it perpetuates a hierarchy of victims in the troubles in northern ireland. labouris troubles in northern ireland. labour is facing mounting pressure from within its own ranks to reverse cuts to the winter fuel payment. in today's exchanges at prime minister's questions, rishi sunak pushed sir keir starmer for details on the impact of the cuts, which will see 10 million pensioners lose the payment. despite the opposition, the prime minister insists it's necessary to fix a £22 billion financial shortfall . £22 billion financial shortfall. meanwhile, this morning our political editor, chris hope, asked the chancellor, rachel reeves, if the looming october budget will be more bad for news pensioners. >> we've committed to those bus passes, to free tv licences for those entitled and free

prescriptions, but we've also committed to the triple lock, not for just one year but for the duration of this parliament and that means that pensioners will continue to rise by whichever is higher, 2.5% inflation or average earnings. and that means that pensioners have £900 more this winter , and have £900 more this winter, and likely another £460 from next april . april. >> now in other news, foreign secretary david lammy said the west is listening carefully to ukraine's needs amid calls to allow kyiv to use long—range missiles in russia. david lammy and the us secretary of state antony blinken are in ukraine on a joint trip , calling it a joint trip, calling it a critical moment in the war with russia. mr lammy announced over £600 million worth of support for ukraine, including aid to meet immediate humanitarian energy and stabilisation needs. those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to martin for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by

scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> thank you sophia. got to say, the gb news gb news inbox is going off the rails. about the £600 million that david lammy in the words of george, has just magicked up to give to ukraine. while the day after, of course , while the day after, of course, axing the winter fuel allowance. get your views across the usual way gbnews.com/yoursay and read our best of your a little later in the show. i'm

channel. welcome back your time is 436 and i'm martin daubney on gb news now. during last night's presidential tv debate, donald trump claimed that haitian immigrants in ohio are stealing pets and eating them. let's have

a little listen in springfield. >> they're eating the dogs . the >> they're eating the dogs. the people that came in. they're eating the cats. they're eating. they're eating the pets of the people that live there . people that live there. >> well, kamala harris was laughing. the rest of us were just going, what's going on here? and afterwards, abc news moderator david muir. well, he corrected the former president and stated that there is no evidence for donald trump's outlandish claim. well, to delve further into this cat and dog story is the former adviser to the clinton and the bush administrations, steve gill. steve, this is a conversation i never thought i'd be having with anybody, let alone you. an esteemed expert of many, many years experience . but this is years experience. but this is donald trump, so it's an extraordinary comment. my basic question is , is there any truth question is, is there any truth in this happening, or is it actually just a barking mad conspiracy theory? it's raining

cats and dogs in springfield, ohio. >> first of all, the background. springfield is a town of about 40,000 people. >> the biden, harris administration has literally transported 20,000 haitians into that community who have no cultural connection, geographic connection, no connection whatsoever. >> and they have changed, obviously, very recently, the culture, the city and the state like it because they're getting federal money to house and take care of these people. but despite what what the counter argument to trump pointing this out, there are police recordings. 911 calls evidencing that this happened. >> people have gone to city council over the last month and complained about this happening. >> there are video tapes of these haitians with machetes cutting off pigs heads , taking cutting off pigs heads, taking geese out of the local pond to kill them and eat them. there is actual evidence, and we're going to get a lot more because i think we saw the evidence out in

aurora, colorado , a few weeks aurora, colorado, a few weeks ago where where you had venezuelan armed gang members taking over apartment buildings. the city officials first denied it. the governor democrat denied it. the governor democrat denied it , and now they're admitting it it, and now they're admitting it and they're trying to do something about it. i think you're going to see more and more evidence in the next 48 hours that trump was right, and the moderators that kamala had to bring along with her to help her through the debate are absolutely wrong . absolutely wrong. >> and steve, one of the points then, that donald trump went to on make was that if kamala harris is elected as the president, he says that america will turn into venezuela on steroids. and of course, one of his strengths is keeping this conversation about that very porous southern border. what's the true number, do you think, steve, of illegal immigrants that may have poured into america on the biden watch? >> well, they're talking about 18 to 20 million that they know of. but again, you've got the quote gotaways that far exceed that number. this is a potent issue. it's one of the reasons why a lot of people who say that

that kamala harris won the debate last night are ignoring the polls, showing that he is surged even more today in polls on who people trust, on the economy, surged on the immigration issue. and just as we've seen in europe, whether it's in britain, whether it's in france, italy, across the board , france, italy, across the board, germany. illegal immigration is an issue that we have seen play out in elections in europe. we're going to see it play out here in the us as well, because kamala harris doesn't have an answer for the millions of people that have clogged our schools, our health care systems. taking jobs away hurt the economy . and whether they're the economy. and whether they're eating dogs or cats or both. i think people understand that the illegal immigration issue is having a huge impact on our communities all across the united states. >> steve gill, only in america. what a story, and thank you for bringing some common sense to it. and there'll be lots more of this craziness. i'm sure, as we approach november the 5th, of course, in britain, thank god we revolted and left you guys 250 years ago. >> thank god they're gone . >> thank god they're gone. >> thank god they're gone. >> steve gill, it's always an

absolute delight to have you on the show. you take care, my friend. speak again soon. thank you. my friend. now, a return to royal duties in the uk is not on the horizon for prince harry. instead choosing to focus on projects in california and the claim forms part of a new report where the duke of sussex speaks to people magazine ahead of his 40th birthday on sunday. and our royal correspondent cameron walker is here with more on this astonishing developing story. cameron. so it seems then, that the ginger prince will not be returning. >> yeah. an unexpected development really here, martin, in the last hour or so, prince harry has not given an interview to people magazine, but he's given them an email. and that's a quote i can say from the article. prince harry tells them the best gift i've ever been given is, without a doubt, my kids. i enjoy watching them grow every single day. and i love being their dad. it also reports that article that prince harry plans to spend his 40th birthday on sunday with his wife and children, meghan reportedly

throwing a big party for him at their california mansion. and then prince harry is going to jet off away from the united states with the lads , with his, states with the lads, with his, with his a group of close friends, as it's been quoted in that article for a bit of a holiday. let's see if it's a repeat of his infamous las vegas trip from a decade or so ago . trip from a decade or so ago. but the key line in this for me is the fact that it says a return to royal duties is not on the horizon for prince harry. now that is not a direct quote from prince harry himself in the article, but presumably because it's written in the same article that harry has sent an email to contribute to this particular article. it has been approved by prince harry and his team, which suggests to me that it is in fact true. prince harry has no plans to return to the uk to support his father or indeed his brother as a working member of the royal family. it says he's happyin the royal family. it says he's happy in california with his wife and raising his two young children. and with his projects, of course , in the united states, of course, in the united states, he's got his polo, netflix

documentary coming out soon that started to be promoted this week . started to be promoted this week. and later this month, he's in new york celebrating the 25th anniversary of the diana award, which is a legacy award set up 25 years ago, which champions young people in memory of his mother, princess diana. prince william also supports that charity, but of course, they're supporting it separately on both sides of the atlantic. >> cameron, a significant change of position to even last week when we were hearing that prince harry would consider a return if william apologised. and even if the king apologised, those apologies haven't been forthcoming , to our knowledge. forthcoming, to our knowledge. do you think that may be an influence? it just looks like there's no happy return for him, so therefore he's not going to bother. >> yeah, well, i think it's very significant actually, that there's no suggestion from anyone close to the duke of sussex, prince harry, that that is true because clearly they are saying, no, he's not coming back to the uk. he's not even considering it. and that quote about only if prince william apologises has not been confirmed at all by the duke of sussex. you ask those close to prince william the same thing.

and of course it's no comment . i and of course it's no comment. i think anything to do with prince harry when you ask the press office or somebody close to the king or prince william is no comment when it comes to prince harry. so clearly there is still a big rift there across the atlantic. >> and cameron walker, of course, as you and i spoke earlier this week, that astonishing video from princess catherine with prince william in that perhaps they have more important things to focus on. excellent story. thank you. cameron walker, for joining us and giving us that breaking news. prince harry has no plans for a royal return to britain any time soon. thank you very much for bringing us up to speed. now moving on. following a new trial, weight loss jabs could be given to obese children as young as six. is that the right thing to do? fat jabs for fat kids i martin daubney on gb news business news

channel. welcome back. your time is 448 on martin daubney on gb news now here's one to get your teeth into the weight loss jab trend continues to grow in popularity , continues to grow in popularity, with prospects now pointing towards offering them to obese children as young as wait for it. six six year olds a us study trial recruiting 82 obese youngsters found that the jabs did help cut their body mass index and the study leader, professor claudia fox, from the university of minnesota medical school , said to date, children school, said to date, children have had virtually no options for treating obesity. we could try not eating anyway. they have been told to try harder with diet and exercise and now with the possibility of a medication that addresses the underlying physiology of obesity. there is hope that children living with obesity can live healthier and more productive lives. well i can hear my next guest already

foaming at the mouth as the former presenter of fat families, steve miller. steve, i know your take on fat jabs. you think there are shortcuts? we should be trying harder, but seriously, giving them to kids as young as six, have we gone mad? >> well, the first thing on my headin >> well, the first thing on my head in my mind when i heard about this is what has this country come to when we're talking about getting kids as young as six years old to be jabbed weekly or however often it is because they are too fat? where are the parents in all of this? >> there's three things actually here that are important. >> number one is we do not know the long term consequences of these jabs . these jabs. >> so if i had a child and i was going to let them, do, you know, have the jab, i would be feeling like i'm treating them like a lab rat, to be quite honest with you, because we don't know the long term consequences. >> secondly, the manufacturers are clear that some of the potential side effects can be very serious. we're talking

about potentially pancreatitis, pancreatitis . let's get the word pancreatitis. let's get the word out. and also it lists as a potential side effect. thyroid cancen potential side effect. thyroid cancer. so are we you know is it is it it arguably it's called the gamble jab to be honest with you, because of these potential side effects at the moment. and then thirdly, i come back to the parents. where are the parents in all of this? because they are the role models. so it really is about parenting and it's about parenting from , you know, being parenting from, you know, being a role model yourself in terms of being slim and healthy and, and not expecting a jab to take your place and other people to take your place. if you have children, they are your responsibility. think before you breed. >> it's absolutely a fair point. nevertheless, steve, looking at the study itself over a year, the study itself over a year, the body mass index of these fat kids was down by 7%. it also

lowered their blood pressure and it lowered their blood sugar levels. and we know that that can reduce things like the longer term risk of diabetes against a placebo, where the kids were putting on weight, suggesting to me they thought the jab was working and they were chowing down on extra pizza and whatnot to make up for it. 20% of british kids are overweight by the age of five when they start school , we've when they start school, we've got an obesity crisis. it starts young , got an obesity crisis. it starts young, perhaps got an obesity crisis. it starts young , perhaps steve miller young, perhaps steve miller desperate situations call for desperate measures and fat jabs for fat kids has some merit. >> yeah, desperate measures means we're much more blunt in this country about obesity and fat. the other thing you need to remember with this is when you stop taking that jab, it is highly likely that you're going to put all the weight back on. now, the thought of a child of six years of age, starting with that jab, conditioning them mentally to live with that jab as far as i'm concerned is

absolutely not on. and i say to all parents to think really, really careful about this. we don't know what's going to happen long term. we don't know the consequences. so, you know, i put out there the plea to parents to be that role model and engage with their kids and teach them how to cook and have fun with them, you know, in the park, having running around and whatever. >> i think. steve miller, you've raised an excellent point there. and that is if you get kids hooked on the idea of quick fixes, work at an early age, you're going to set a template for life . for life. >> oh, completely. of course. of course you are. you're going to you're actually putting the message out there that this is the way you stay healthy . this the way you stay healthy. this is the way you stay slim. and my concern is that these kids will become dependent on the jab on this particular jab. that's my this particularjab. that's my big concern . and as well as that big concern. and as well as that is some of these potential side effects that the manufacturer lists . and i say to anyone lists. and i say to anyone considering these jabs to look

very, very closely at those potential side effects and also talk to people that have tried these jabs, some with a lot of success, i hold my hands up and say, yes , but trust me, quite a say, yes, but trust me, quite a number with a dire experience as well. >> okay , steve miller is always >> okay, steve miller is always an absolute pleasure to have you on the show. the voice of common sense. thank you very much as even sense. thank you very much as ever. now before we end this houn ever. now before we end this hour, i've got a few of your faves coming through and it's fair to say you're getting pretty hot under the collar about the notion that yesterday , about the notion that yesterday, £1.4 billion was saved on the winter fuel allowance, and today, david lammy has suddenly found £600 million to give to ukraine. now taking the uk's total to £84 billion since 2020 2nd january, when the conflict started, george says this david lammy could magic up 600 million from nowhere to spend abroad, but they refuse to keep their own people warm in britain. james as this. hi martin, i'd just like you to know that my

husband has a private pension and basic state pension. i have and basic state pension. i have a small state pension , but we a small state pension, but we still struggle as our housing association. one bedroom flat along with our council tax, comes to almost £900. our energy bills have more than tripled. and our food, as you know , and our food, as you know, pnces and our food, as you know, prices are crazy. they don't live in the real world. i totally hear what you say there, james, and thanks for your comments. we'll be continuing that conversation after the break. we'll be speaking to another pensioner in his 80s who's very, very perilously afraid of the winter ahead. thanks to that, that autumn cut . thanks to that, that autumn cut. now we're going to channel my martin daubney. here's your. weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> afternoon. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. pretty chilly out there today andifs pretty chilly out there today and it's only going to get

colder overnight as the showers fade and many of us have clear spells. still some pretty heavy showers around at the moment though, particularly for the west midlands , north west west midlands, north west england and wales. a rumble of thunder, even a bit of hail and there's some snow over the tops of the mountains across scotland in the showers, but they are fading in much of southern scotland, eastern england, southern england here will by and large have a dry night, with those lengthy clear spells and temperatures dropping 4 or 5 degrees. that's in towns and cities, many rural spots not far off freezing. and of course, northern britain . there will be northern britain. there will be a frost for many in the countryside. so yes, a pretty cold start to thursday, but but a sunshine will soon start to lift. those temperatures . by and lift. those temperatures. by and large a fine start across east anglia in the south—east. there will again be plenty of showers packing in across north and west wales and parts of northwest england, a few for the north and the east of northern ireland, grazing the west coast of scotland. there will be a few showers, but the central belt generally dry much of the east coast. dry showers still coming in on a fairly brisk northerly wind, but those winds won't be as strong. it won't feel quite

as strong. it won't feel quite as cold during tomorrow. there'll be a few more showers tomorrow compared to today across southwest england, but they'll be pretty well scattered here and across wales , and here and across wales, and certainly for a good part of central and eastern england . central and eastern england. many places will be dry by and large, a dry day in southern scotland as well, but it won't be warm even with a bit of sunshine temperatures struggling to get to 15 or 16 degrees. the winds there will be lighter than today, as i mentioned, so it'll probably feel a little less cold tomorrow. but tomorrow night again, as the showers fade and the skies clear, we are going to see those temperatures tumbling even more of a frost likely on friday morning. high pressure , friday morning. high pressure, though, is moving in across the south. that will bring a lot of fine weather through friday and the weekend. these weather fronts will bring some wetter weather and windy weather across the north and west into the weekend, but it will also by then start to warm up . then start to warm up. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather

gb news. >> hey, very good afternoon to you. it's 5:00 pm and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster and all across the uk. on today's show, the big question is are labour the new nasty party? yesterday nearly 100% of labour mps who voted to axe the pensioners winter fuel allowance 348 out of 348. they were all laboun 348 out of 348. they were all labour. and today gb news asked rachel reeves is labour the new nasty party? on today's show shortly i'll be interviewing a worried pensioner in his 80s to find out what it means for him. his worries about a looming winter of discontent. next up, new figures show that the uk has now given an astonishing 8.4 billion to ukraine since the start of the war because david lammy, a short while ago has found a further 600 million for

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conversation, please. gbnews.com forward slash your saying. what do you make about the fact that despite axing that £1.4 billion yesterday, david lammy has just found £600 million to give to president zelenskyy in ukraine? have we got our priorities all wrong? let me know the usual way. but now it's your headlines and here's sophia wenzler. >> thank you martin. good afternoon. it'sjust >> thank you martin. good afternoon. it's just gone. 5:00. these are your headlines . afternoon. it's just gone. 5:00. these are your headlines. rishi sunak has reignited the battle against labour on its move to axe the winter fuel allowance for millions of pensioners, continuing his focus from last week's exchanges at prime minister's questions. the conservative conservative leaders pushed sir keir starmer for details on the impact of the cuts . cuts. >> we know why he's hiding the impact assessment . the labour impact assessment. the labour party's own previous analysis claimed that this policy could cause 3850 deaths. so are the

numbers in his impact assessment higher or lower than that? >> however, prime minister sir keir starmer pushed back, claiming his government was having to clear up the conservatives mess because of the tough decisions that we're making to stabilise the economy, we can make sure that the triple lock shows that increases in pensions will outstrip any loss of payments . of payments. >> but before before he complains about us clearing up his mess, perhaps he'd like to apologise for the £22 billion black hole this morning our political editor, chris hope, asked the chancellor rachel reeves, if the looming october budget will be more bad news for pensioners. >> we've committed to those bus passes to the free tv licences for those entitled and free prescriptions, but we've also committed to the triple lock not just for one year but for the duration of this parliament. and that means that pensioners will continue to rise by whichever is

higher. 2.5% inflation or average earnings. and that means that pensioners have £900 more. this winter and likely another £460 from next april. >> meanwhile, the foreign secretary has just announced over £600 million worth of support for ukraine. david lammy and antony blinken are currently in kyiv , calling it a critical in kyiv, calling it a critical moment in the war with russia . moment in the war with russia. their joint visit follows reports that joe biden will lift a ban on british storm shadow missiles being used on russian territory, after iran supplied ballistic missiles to russia. the business secretary has unveiled a multi—million pound package to support tata steel's shift to greener production. jonathan reynolds blamed the previous government for failing to make critical decisions. however, the conservatives are accusing labour of extending a deal they once criticised. jonathan reynolds says the new agreement includes investment opportunities to secure long term jobs, despite up to 2800

positions being at risk , tata positions being at risk, tata are agreeing to offer a comprehensive training programme for any employee as an alternative to those at risk of compulsory redundancy. >> this would be on full pay for one month and then £27,000 a year per employee for 11 months, and tata will fund all of these costs. employees will be able to choose from recognised qualifications to develop sought after. >> in other news, no fault evictions could soon be history as the government prepares to ban section 21 evictions, the renters rights bill, set to be introduced today, promises sweeping changes to protect england's 11 million renters. it will also force private landlords to take faster action on unsafe housing conditions. deputy prime minister angela rayner says the bill will overhaul renting and tackle unfair practices, but landlords warn the reforms must be fair on both sides . and in the us, both sides. and in the us, donald trump and kamala harris

have met again at a 9/11 memorial event in new york after facing off in their first and possibly only presidential debate last night. the showdown began with a handshake, but quickly took a turn when harris mocked trump's rallies, accusing him of boring his crowds. trump hit back, defending his popularity and attacking harris on her immigration stance and economic policies. >> she's going to do this. she's going to do that. she's going to do all these wonderful things. why hasn't she done it? she's been there for three and a half years. they've had three and a half years to fix the border. they've had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about. why hasn't she done it? >> meanwhile , harris blamed >> meanwhile, harris blamed trump for nationwide abortion restrictions and the capitol riot while questioning his fitness for office. >> donald trump left us the worst unemployment since the great depression. donald trump

left us the worst public health epidemic in a century, donald trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war. >> those are the latest headlines. more in half an hour. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gb news. com forward slash alerts . com forward slash alerts. >> thank you sophia. we've got a huge hour ahead. let's get cracking. now. we've heard from the prime minister today after a tense day yesterday in the house of commons, as mps of course, controversially voted to cut the winter fuel payments for british pensioners, the conservatives and the reform party are vowing to name and shame labour party mps who voted, in their words ,

mps who voted, in their words, to freeze your grandparents as ministers doubled down on their decision to scrap those winter fuel payments for 10 million british pensioners . well, i'm british pensioners. well, i'm joined in our studio by our political editor, chris hope. chris. so this story broke the voting came out exactly 24 hours ago on this show, and it was the evidence is clear, 348 of 348 who voted to scrap the winter fuel allowance. they were all from the labour party. 100% of them. and people have been going into our inbox today going crazy, saying this is the sort of thing that the labour party would always say is the nasty kind of thing. the conservatives have done. now, five minutes into power, they're the ones who look like the new nasty party, because it wasn't in the party's manifesto. >> it was in previous manifestos, not this one. now labour say it came to them as an idea to plug the £22 billion black hole in the in the company, in the government accounts. forgive me, the government accounts when they came into office. but this idea wasn't, wasn't, wasn't even

voted on in the election. it wasn't mentioned by anybody in the labour party. and that's why everyone is so cross. it was announced almost without, well, without any warning in that in that mini—budget towards the end of july. and that's why everyone is so surprised and so cross about it . there's all sorts of about it. there's all sorts of double standards at play here. one big issue is the mp expenses. yes. now remember remember about that. back to the telegraph story back in 2000 and the story you broke, which i was part of the team that broke it. but what it is if you have to be an mp, the state supports you having a second home in the caphal having a second home in the capital. if you live outside, basically the m25, you can't get you can't get in and out of london quickly, that's okay. rachel reeves, of course, is an mp from outside of london. she has a second home. but the telegraph revealed today, that we, as we as taxpayers have been picking up the tab for her £4,000 tax bill over the past five years. that's not all. there's not 100 or so, labour mps also had several hundred thousand pounds of benefit on us paying thousand pounds of benefit on us paying their heating bills . that paying their heating bills. that annoys people. i asked rachel

reeves about this very matter in an interview earlier today. here's what she had to say. >> i recognise that i earn more than average families in britain, but i'm also determined in this position to protect the most vulnerable, which is why the winter fuel payment will continue to be paid to pensioners on pension credit. and indeed, unlike the previous government , we are working to government, we are working to ensure that everybody that's entitled to pension credit gets it. >> so i asked then rachel reeves, i had asked her, you know , how can you feel the pain know, how can you feel the pain as an mp receiving this support from the state for your second home when others don't get that? and that's all she had to say. so she's clearly saying that all mps get the same benefit. but i think many people will be entitled to ask, you know, are you not insulated, to use an awful pun about insulation from this dreadful cut to people keeping them warm, this winter has to be said, excellent question. >> well done. holding power to account. and it did look like you're wrong footed there. another piece of investigation

that came out from gb news overnight, looking at some of those 348 labour party mps who voted to scrap the winter fuel duty. astonishing. chris 70 of those seats are new labour seats. so they swung from the conservatives or the snp and the data. 90% of pensioners in those seats are set to lose their winter fuel allowance. and when you look at the geographical spread, there's lots of those seats in northumberland and scotland where it gets colder. there's lots of seats in relative poverty. this could be a moment, a poll tax moment, something that could haunt the party for many years to come back to the increase in state pension of 75 ipp under gordon brown. >> they had to deal very quickly with that to push that one down. the tuition fees drama. with the liberal democrats still being talked about, 12 years later by people like liberal democrats record in government , will people like liberal democrats record in government, will this be the albatross hung around the necks of this labour government? and it certainly will be in one of the first or top top paid,

certainly of attacks on this government when its mps are up for election 4 or 5 years time. >> and we're already seeing the conservative party is putting literature out in the seats. they're trying to target everyone. >> i'm not surprised by 90%. i mean, these are swing seats , mean, these are swing seats, many of them reform will be second. they'll be making a lot of hay and we had lee anderson on on yesterday. he's worked out how many pensioners in his seat are now £300 poorer per year, 86%, i think he said that's right. so yeah, 90% or so. but that seems about the average. i did ask the chancellor earlier, there's a big push to get poorer pensioners to sign up for this pensioners to sign up for this pension credit. 800,000 haven't signed up for it. i said if they all sign up for it, wouldn't it wipe out the saving the £15 billion saving justified by helping this this economic black hole? and she basically accepted that saying she's very keen to get everyone who can, who needs the benefit to get it, rather than it go to everybody else. >> it would more than wipe it out and another key point, of course, david lammy just found £600 million for ukraine. stick around because i'd like to put this now to somebody at the sharp end of this debate.

somebody is going to be directly, personally affected by this. and that is the former newspaper editor, don briggs , newspaper editor, don briggs, who joins me now. don, welcome to the show. i understand that, of course, you're a pensioner yourself, and i want to get from you, don, the personal impact of these political decisions made far, far away. you're staring down the barrel of a long, cold winter. don briggs, how might this decision to axe the winter fuel allowance impact you? >> well, i'm as much concerned about people who are in worse circumstances than we are. i mean, i've been caring for 11 years now for my wife, marian , years now for my wife, marian, and, soaring costs are, of care have forced us. >> i mean , i didn't claim the >> i mean, i didn't claim the state carer's carer's allowance for eight years until soaring costs forced me to do so. you know, putting in a stair lift at thousands. >> and i've just had to have a,

a wet room replaced. so that we can ican a wet room replaced. so that we can i can shower my wife , things can i can shower my wife, things like that. >> carers , hairdressers, all >> carers, hairdressers, all those kind of things wash up to four washes a day , you know, and four washes a day, you know, and having to keep the house on it, the temperature in the house where my wife and i are sitting for her sake, it's around 22 degrees a day to keep her comfort despite she's now sitting. even so, in a in a with a blanket round the knees. but i think, you know , pensioners made think, you know, pensioners made this country the people . this country the people. >> i mean we're 87, 87 and 88, but it's pensioners who made this country stable and prosperous . prosperous. >> you know, they're the ones who've scrimped and saved and gone without. and i mean , my gone without. and i mean, my wife is on that , cared for three wife is on that, cared for three girls for 16 years before she

went and found work again. she's on a pittance of a state pension. that's another thing. as well. so i mean, it's, it's but my own feeling is that it should be means tested. yes, if it has to be, but it should be set at a level, somewhere, perhaps around the level of the poor train drivers who had to have a fat pay rise from this government for when they're on 70,000 a year. >> now, now , don, could i also >> now, now, don, could i also ask you about something else . ask you about something else. winter fuel allowance of course is one thing. but also it was announced pretty soon after the labour party got into power. they were scrapping the notion of the care cap. if you remember, the previous government had an 80 600 £0 social care cap in place. it was called the dementia tax. when theresa may tried to bring it in. but in fact, the labour party are now planning something similar. so there could be even those who did the right thing,

even those who saved all their lives to take care of themselves or their loved one, could see that money simply sapped away. don briggs, do you start to feel that to the labour party? pensioners simply don't matter. >> well, i would say that since attlee in 1945, labour governments have been disastrous for this country, and this one is going to be just the same. i mean, blair set the middle east alight for a start. i mean, winston churchill warned about lawyers as prime ministers and we had blair and we've now got starmer . starmer. >> donelan i'm sorry, don, i'm also joined in the studio by our political editor, chris hope. >> he'd like to ask you a question, john. >> you're a former a journalist. you know, readers, you know how they think. do you think this will be quite damaging to the labour party? martin daubney was there talking about those figures showing, so many issues

there for labour. new labour mps facing the choice to be made here by the government, with 90% in some cases of pensioners affected. will there be a fallout, do you think this labour government and can ask and how how did you vote? are you a labour supporter or a different party? >> well, i voted we have we have esther mcvey as our mp for tatton and she is what i would call a true conservative with a small c , we had a had it not small c, we had a had it not been for esther mcvey being there and her record as a good mp for the people of tatton , i mp for the people of tatton, i would have voted reform and so would have voted reform and so would my wife . would my wife. >> but you voted for the conservatives at this time. don, may i ask you? we spoke to a pensioner or a carer for her father earlier in the show. catherine plant , and we asked catherine plant, and we asked her, and i'd like to ask you now

if you could pass on a message, if you could pass on a message, if you could pass on a message, if you would like to say something to sir keir starmer, what would you say ? what would you say? >> i would say that he should think. think about pensioners. there's an awful lot of them who are struggling and are fearful about the winter. i mean , today about the winter. i mean, today in the western mail here in south wales, where we are, there is a report that 1 in 4 children are living on the poverty line. they're sleeping in mouldy beds or on the floor. now, you know, this is all families. there's no help coming from pensioners to help coming from pensioners to help them . help them. >> and may i ask you, we heard so that the save the cost saving of this £1.4 billion and the grand scheme of things, of course, it's a lot of money, but it's not a lot of money compared to a lot of other things you mentioned there. the pay rises 5.5% pay rise , costing £10 5.5% pay rise, costing £10 billion for teachers and nhs workers. and in fact, we found

out on about an hour ago that david lammy, the foreign secretary, has just given an extra £600 million to ukraine. when you hear things like that and then compare that to yesterday's axing of the winter fuel allowance, do you think the political class has completely lost its focus, lost its priorities? >> well, yes, i do think it has, but i don't think that, i mean, i believe that we should be supporting ukraine. if we don't, we'll have the russians moving across europe, just just as adolf hitler did . i mean, it's adolf hitler did. i mean, it's essential that i mean, i've been talking to esther mcvey frequently for years about defence. we need defence's proper defences, and we haven't got them. i mean, if anybody lobs missiles at london and manchester and birmingham, there's no air defence there, is there's no air defence there, is there . there. >> okay. well thank you very much for joining >> okay. well thank you very much forjoining us on the show much for joining us on the show today. tonbridge you take care. stay warm, stay safe. and also

love to your wife, marianne, thanks very much for joining us on the show today. and thank you very much to you as well, chris hope, here in the studio, you get lots more on that story. of course, on our website. and thanks to you, gb news. com is the fastest growing national news website in the country. it's got breaking news and all of the brilliant analysis they come to expect from us here @gbnews now it's time now for the great british giveaway and the great british giveaway and the biggest cash prize we've ever given away. £36,000 could be yours. and that's like having an extra three grand tax free in your bank account each and every month for an entire year. and here's all the details that you need to make it yours. >> there's an incredible £36,000 to be won in the great british giveaway. that's like having an extra £3,000 each month to play with. and because it's totally tax free, you get to keep every penny and spend it however you like. we could be paying for your entire year until 2025. how amazing would that be? for another chance to win £36,000 in

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welcome back. it's 5:25. i'm martin daubney on gb news now as the ukrainian war approaches, three years on, a major decision could be made with british missiles being used by to ukraine strike russia. now foreign secretary david lammy and us secretary of state antony blinken are in ukraine to meet president zelenskyy today as restrictions on using long—range missiles are being lifted. but the conversation has now moved on because today we've learned that mr lammy has found an extra £600 million to give to ukraine. taking now our total to £84 billion since the conflict started in 2022. and furthermore, a new report has come out saying that training ukrainian troops on british soil is impacting our ability to train our own troops as they're

using our facilities. so are we losing sense of our priorities? that's the conversation we're about to have now with the former nato commander and the geopolitical forecaster, rear admiral chris parry. chris always an absolute pleasure to have you on the show. so it's an eye—watering sum of money. 8.4 billion. when you add an extra £600 million, is this turning into a forever war that we should forever be funding ? should forever be funding? >> well, i'll tell you, it's good value for money. martin. you know, we're putting basically what is about a sixth of our defence budget into this wa n wan >> ukraine is fighting it for us, and we're depleting about 75% of russian frontline capability on the ground. >> now, you know, we couldn't achieve that ourselves. >> i don't think if we went to war with them tomorrow, we don't want to go to war. >> and part of this premium that we're paying is deterrence to say to russia, look, we're serious when we want to support

our friends, we're going to do this. we'll do even more. if you attack one of our allies, and we've got to be, you know, quite certain here that russia , china, certain here that russia, china, iran and north korea are cooperating with each other to keep the united states off balance, to maintain pressure on europe and the asia pacific and the greater middle east. and we're in the biggest global crisis since the end of the second world war. and i'm afraid to say that, you know, the money we're spending on ukraine is a mere pittance compared to what we'd have to spend if we had to confront these people. >> of course, the mere pittance of £600 million is getting on for half of the money it would have cost for the winter fuel allowance only axed just yesterday. so a lot of people in ourinbox yesterday. so a lot of people in our inbox today, chris parry, are questioning the timing of this announcement. but bringing this announcement. but bringing this back closer to home in terms of the military capability of our own armed forces, the report out today from the national audit office showing

that we are unable to train our own infantry as much as we'd like for training purposes because we are training ukrainian soldiers on our soil. is this impacting our own armed forces already at creaking port, the smallest army since the napoleonic era? is it now being under—trained thanks to the fact we're training up ukrainian troops, not our own ? troops, not our own? >> yeah, there's no doubt that it's having an impact on our army. but if you ask our army what they're for right now, they don't really know, so whenever we talk about what the size of the army should be, the first question we need to ask is, what are we going to use it for? is it going to be used to deter russia? china, iran and north korea? or is it just going to be used as part of a humanitarian or peacekeeping type force until the army sorts out what its strategy is? there's no point in funnelling a lot of money into the army. what we need right now, as your previous speaker mentioned, is the sort of things that can defend this country,

you know , lord saint vincent you know, lord saint vincent said something very interesting when he was asked by, pitt the younger, the prime minister, whether napoleon would invade. he said, look, i can't say napoleon won't invade, but i'll tell you there won't be coming by sea. well, the fact of life is we're the furthest from any threat in europe. martin, if we get, you know, our maritime, our air and our space aspects. right, we're not going to need an army unless we want to deploy it on the continent of europe . it on the continent of europe. >> but does that all point to the fact then , that our role the fact then, that our role seems to be to not equip our own armed forces, not to be ready and able to fight if needed, but we're simply funding overseas armies to the sum of never ending sums of money. £8.4 billion since january 2022. chris parry is an astronomical sum of money. >> yeah, just look at what we've donein >> yeah, just look at what we've done in the past. >> we used to fund prussians. we used to fund hessians to fight our wars on the continent. i'm

telling you, it's good value for money. we're not losing people. and if we had to replicate that sort of military activity ourselves, it would cost us a lot more. right now, the ukrainians are fighting and dying on our behalf. and that 8.4 billion is nothing compared to the climate reparations of 11.3 billion that the government has chosen to give to various countries around the world. >> you know, a lot of people watching this show would would say that that money shouldn't be spent, that way either. and it comes back to that basic conversation of should charity begin at home. chris parry, you're you're adamant this is money well spent. but i guess the big question is how long can this carry on for? at the moment it seems there's no end to it in sight. >> yeah, that's a really good question, russia's creaking right now. it's had some battlefield successes in ukraine, you've seen the incursion by ukraine into russia. the russians don't really care about that or the people who live there. they're concentrating on trying to win in ukraine. my sense is that by

the end of the year, this is going to come to a halt. but if we suddenly say, look, we're withdrawing support from ukraine, the russians will go, yippeei thanks very much . we'll yippeei thanks very much. we'll just carry on, but i think they're fighting themselves to a standstill. as i said, it's creaking in russia right now. now is the time to really apply the pressure and make sure the russians think they can't win this. >> okay, well, thanks for your opinion. it's always appreciated . opinion. it's always appreciated. rear admiral chris parry, thank you very much for joining us today on gb news. now, lots more still to come between now and 6:00. and have researchers found the holy grail on how to quickly recover from a hangover if so, that would be fantastic news for millions of boozers. but first, here's your latest news headlines. and it's sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> thanks, martin. good afternoon from the gb newsroom at 530. these are your headlines . at 530. these are your headlines. labouris at 530. these are your headlines. labour is facing mounting pressure from within its own

ranks to reverse cuts to the winter fuel payment in today's exchanges at prime minister's questions, rishi sunak pushed sir keir starmer for details on the impact of the cuts, which will see 10 million pensioners lose the payment despite the opposition. the prime minister insists it's necessary to fix a £22 billion financial shortfall . £22 billion financial shortfall. meanwhile, this morning our political editor chris hope, asked the chancellor, rachel reeves, if the looming october budget will be more bad for news pensioners. >> we've committed to those bus passes, to free tv licences for those entitled and free prescriptions, but we've also committed to the triple lock, not just for one year but for the duration of this parliament and that means that pensioners will continue to rise by whichever is higher, 2.5% inflation or average earnings. that means that pensioners have £900 more this winter and likely another £460 from next april .

another £460 from next april. >> in other news, foreign secretary david lammy said the west is listening carefully to ukraine's needs amid calls to allow kyiv to use long—range missiles in russia. david lammy and the us secretary of state antony blinken are in ukraine on a joint trip , calling it a joint trip, calling it a critical moment in the war with russia . mr lammy announced over russia. mr lammy announced over £600 million worth of support for ukraine, including aid to meet immediate humanitarian energy and stabilisation needs back in the uk. no fault evictions could soon be history as the government prepares to ban section 21 evictions, the renters rights bill is set to be introduced today. promises sweeping changes to protect england's 11 million renters. it will also force private landlords to take faster action on unsafe housing conditions. deputy prime minister angela rayner says the bill will overhaul renting and tackle unfair practices. but landlords warn the reforms must be fair to both sides . those are the latest

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>> welcome back. 538 we're on the final furlong with me martin daubney on gb news now as labour's first budget approaches, businesses around the country are fearful that those with the most assets could be the hardest hit. now, reports suggest that the labour party are considering changes to inheritance tax and there are currently several exemptions from that, including on agricultural land and family businesses. but these could be lifted to include them now if death duty is returned to family businesses, many fear they will not survive. will this keir starmer government lift these exemptions to address the financial black hole, and in particular, could that hammer farmers? well, to discuss that, i'm now joined by the dairy farmer bruce jobson. bruce welcome to the show. always an absolute delight to have your company. lots of eyes are all on how this so—called financial black hole might be filled . and black hole might be filled. and the conversation now is precisely as we've been saying

it could be putting inheritance tax on farms, on businesses. bruce jobson, if that happens, what would it do to the farming industry in britain ? industry in britain? >> thanks for the invite, martin, >> i'm a little bit croaky because i've been in hospital , because i've been in hospital, >> but i think the shock of this announcement caused this to have anaphylactic shock in my throat because this will finish farming off within 20 years. >> there won't be any family farms left. the labour government tried this in the 19705 government tried this in the 1970s and it was a disaster. >> so what we're going to be facing with is the worst crisis that will happen in farming. it's bad enough because if you have to sell your assets, you're not going to have a viable business. now, when we spoke earlier this year, martin, i did raise the defra figures, which shows that farming incomes have dropped 77% from cereals and dairy, 78% and general cropping around 50 to 60%. >> so farming as a business is

virtually a non profitable. >> now once they introduce this tax, if it is going to happen and i have written about this speculation, but if it is introduced farmers are not going to survive . to survive. >> because if you have a major company , you know owned by a company, you know owned by a board, you will not pay death duties, you know, in the case of that. but in farming, what you've actually got is the asset is the farm is the farmland. >> now, i did figures. and if you're going to have to sell roughly 25% of your assets just to pay the tax, and there are a lot of farmers have got mortgages on top of that, and they've got massive overdrafts because , you know, tractors cost because, you know, tractors cost £200,000. there's no way that farming can survive. >> the bank will not be able to accommodate the overdrafts . accommodate the overdrafts. >> they'll want to know, how are we going to get our money back? how are they going to be protected if it's introduced, we'll have the same effect as what we had in the 1970s. >> it will wipe out what

happened. >> small farms, small holdings got wiped out because of this in the 70s. >> and it was eventually, you know, got rid of . know, got rid of. >> but farming is a very perilous situation . and if this perilous situation. and if this goes ahead, it's going to finish a lot of small farm businesses because they can't afford to continue. and the other thing is who is going to buy it. if you're going to get taxed every time that you buy an asset and you're going to buy a farm or increase the farm production, everybody's going to say, hang on a minute. we can't continue in this way. so it's going to be an end game , but many, many an end game, but many, many farms. >> bruce jobson so margaret thatcher got rid of harold wilson's 1974 plan, precisely thatcher got rid of harold wilson's1974 plan, precisely as is being optioned here in 1986. but as you are right to say that a lot of small holdings were lost this time around. bruce, who do you think would buy up that land? i mean, the two obvious answers are big corporations , perhaps foreign corporations, perhaps foreign corporations, perhaps foreign corporations and the government

themselves. bruce, the government is after land to build on. is there is there perhaps an ulterior motive going on here? no farm, no food. it means more importations. it means more importations. it means a lack of food sovereignty. could it mean a lot more wind farms, more solar farms, perhaps? the. the government doesn't really want farmers around. >> well, i think that's the case. as i say, we've dropped from 80% self—sufficiency in 1980 to 50 to 55%. now they're introducing this 20%. they want to get rid of , effectively 20% to get rid of, effectively 20% of farming for environmental purposes. so we're going to get another hit with that . it's all another hit with that. it's all right. importing food, importing food . but you know who's going food. but you know who's going to pay for all this? it's the consumer. and i'll tell you now, martin, come the back end of this year, food prices will increase because farmers again are going to be hit with energy costs . electricity prices are costs. electricity prices are going up. this is going to happen. but farming has to somewhere along the line to have a reset. and i can't see it happening. you know , happening. you know, traditionally, martin, traditionally, martin,

traditionally the labour administrations have been very proactive towards farming. and unfortunately, if this comes in now, it will finish it. there's just that's the end game over. it's all right doing that. but the big companies, they let's just say the airlines and all these other companies, some of these other companies, some of these ethical companies who are buying up land, paying three times the value to place trees on land and doing away with good, productive land are effectively the only people who will be left that can afford to buy farm land and plant trees. farming will be used as the whipping boy once again. now down in australia and new zealand, the international companies are buying thousands of acres of land down in new zealand to plant trees. it's happening all over the world, but in this particular country we're down to 50%. what's it going to take? another 20% of agricultural land out of the. where are we going to get the food supply from? and sadly, you know, the old pensioners are

going to suffer again, not just from the heat , but they're going from the heat, but they're going to suffer this year because pnces to suffer this year because prices will increase. >> okay. bruce jobson well, for a fella with a sore throat, mate, it was hard to get you to stop there. magnificent as ever. great to have you on the show and keep fighting for britain. keep farming. beautiful stuff. thank you very much, bruce jobson. now, next, experts have discovered apparently , a safety discovered apparently, a safety shot that could ensure hangovers are a thing of history. i'll be the judge of that. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news

welcome back. it's 547. this is the final final furlong. in fact, it's last orders with me . martin daubney orders with me. martin daubney on gb news. now. maybe the advice that's probably come too late for most of you about how to avoid a hangover. well, the cure could finally be here because experts have claimed they found the holy grail a new

safety shot which can reverse the horror of a deadly, crippling hangover. now wished we'd had this around 20 years ago, but is it too good to be true? well these things usually are. let's talk about it now with the psychotherapist lucy beresford, who joins me on the show. lucy, welcome to the show. so if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. that's the usual thing about drinking. but now we have learned about a so—called miracle product that could save us from those paralysing hangovers. tell us more . more. >> yes, well, this product claims to be able to metabolise alcohol that much more quickly. now, i can't quite see how that's actually true on the bafis that's actually true on the basis that we individually metabolise alcohol according to our own metabolism. and some people process alcohol more quickly than others, which is why the majority of people do end up with hangovers the following day . and there are following day. and there are loads of old wives tales about the best way of dealing with this. but this particular

product has certain minerals and certain ingredients in it that the manufacturers claim will actually speed up the process of getting that alcohol out of your system. but what happened to personal responsibility? what happened to the idea that you would say, i'm not going to have a hangover tomorrow morning, because i'm actually going to be careful about the amount that i drink. i'm very nervous about actually putting all of the responsibility into this one little can. >> yeah, and as you say, it is a little can. it looks like a sort of red bull sized can. it's called safety shot. it's currently on sale in america. i think it is coming to the united kingdom relatively soon. it launched in america just before christmas. it sold out immediately. cynical timing. right to drop it just before the christmas. knees up all over december when you know you're going to go to a sure fire market. but apparently there is some science behind this. the centre for applied health sciences in the us said this

beverage can get to work in as quick as 30 minutes. it's got vitamins in it, it's got botanical ingredients and minerals and it helps. they claim to speed up the body's ability to process alcohol so it gets those hangovers gone quickly. lisa beresford i've got to say, i don't believe a word of it. i've heard all of this before. i think this is a cynical marketing ploy. tell me. i'm wrong. >> i think i think you might be right . i think, you know, right. i think, you know, a bacon sandwich always really doesit bacon sandwich always really does it for most people, but it is about that personal responsibility. and my worry is that people would be overly reliant on the product, and they might imagine if they see the marketing that it happens effectively within 30 minutes, that they might actually do something like drink, drive. they might think, oh, this is fine. i'm actually not going to have the alcohol in my system, andifs have the alcohol in my system, and it's not going to process the alcohol in that way. it's just going to stop you if it works at all from maybe having a really intense hangover or being really intense hangover or being really dehydrated. the key for

actually getting over a hangoven actually getting over a hangover. if you have to drink alcohol at all, is to try to hydrate yourself as as much as possible. and to be fair, there are plenty of other products on the market that do that really effectively. we know for example, products that are marketed towards people who go to the gym, who do a lot of exercise because you want to replenish all of those salts in your system. but the psychology of this is you're outsourcing your own recovery to a tin. and i just can't see how that's going to do any good in the long run. >> lisa ofsted, as you know , >> lisa ofsted, as you know, there is only one hangover cure, and that's guinness. sorry. i mean, don't drink in the first place. don't drink in the first place. don't drink in the first place. and of course, time is your friend. i'm sure though this could massively catch on because hey, just like fat jabs, everybody just seems to want a quick miracle lazy cure. thanks for joining us, lucy beresford, forjoining us, lucy beresford, psychotherapist. maybe it's time for you to go and get yourself a nice little tea. thank you very much. now then, i've had loads and loads of your season throughout the show and the

topics really got you going. two of them, of course, is the winter fuel allowance being cut yesterday. that's the story that we were not allowed to go away and secondly, david lammy giving £600 million extra to the ukraine today after that controversial dropping of the winter fuel allowance. let's get a few of those in now. michael says this. i believe the labour party have now played their hand, and i don't think they will ever be forgiven for it. the only upside is that they might not get elected again. ken, as this. so we have a £22 billion black hole. pensioners are losing their heating money. where on earth have we found all these millions today for both tata steel and ukraine? so tata steel 500 million, ukraine 600 million. that's1.1 billion today for two new projects. 1.4 billion down the tube yesterday. that was the cost of the winter fuel allowance. you do the maths. where are the priorities in this country? charlie says this the labour party should be made accountable to detail the black hole of 22 billion. we're

just having to take their word for its existence at the present. they keep hammering the tories, but it was them who voted against every policy or idea. and finally, martin says this on the idea of giving fat jabs to fat kids to six year olds. he says , jabbing fat six olds. he says, jabbing fat six year olds now, same old story. create a problem and then ride in with a solution where all these fat kids 100 years ago banned processed foods and start teaching parents and kids to how cook. now that is common sense . cook. now that is common sense. william adds this pensioners working their whole lives only to get shafted when they're at their most vulnerable. britain, to me feels like an absolute disgrace and i've got one quick one here from phil who says this look after your elderly and your elderly will look after you . elderly will look after you. this country seems to have forgotten that pensioners made this country, and we should take care of them. you know, you're absolutely right. thanks for that, phil. now you can judge a country . you can judge its country. you can judge its humanity by how we take care of

our oldest and our friends. and i think you'll agree that seems to not be working at the moment. ispoke to not be working at the moment. i spoke to a couple of wonderful pensioners on today's show who feel let down by a country, a country that they've paid into all of their lives with the people's channel. and we're going to keep making sure that we have your backs and we hold power to account. that's why we're here. thanks for all of your messages today. thanks for getting in touch. i'll be back tomorrow three till 6 pm. of course. up next is dewbs& co. and tonight it's hosted by the magnificent bev turnen then, of course, it's nigel farage. after that. and then it stays the nafion that. and then it stays the nation with jacob rees—mogg. see you tomorrow. get in touch . and. you tomorrow. get in touch. and. >> it looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> evening time for your weather update from the met office here on gb news. pretty cold out

there this evening. temperatures are going to fall further through the night. yes, there will be a touch of frost, particularly in parts of the north in the countryside thanks to the winds coming around this area of low pressure all the way down from the arctic. hence why we do have the chill at the moment. there's a fair few showers still around this evening, but for many they'll tend to fade. we'll keep some going in northern scotland, a few for the north of northern ireland, northern parts of wales, northwest england, but elsewhere many areas dry and clear and the winds easing a touch overnight. which is why those temperatures will tumble to down 4 or 5 degrees in towns and cities. but rural spots, particularly in the northern half of the uk, likely to be close to or a little bit below freezing to start thursday. so yes, a chill in the air tomorrow morning and there will still be showers in the air as well, coming in across northern scotland. still a fairly brisk wind, but not as lively and not as gusty as the winds have been through the day today. those breezes will bring a few showers across northern parts of northern ireland. plenty packing in across wales, although the

south coast probably dry and a good part of england having a dry, fine and sunny start to thursday, albeit with that chill in the air. now as we go through the day, we'll see the clouds bubbung the day, we'll see the clouds bubbling up a little bit, but i don't think we'll see as many showers as we've seen through the course of today. still plenty for wales and a few more coming into south west england and across northern scotland, but much of southern scotland dry and large parts of eastern england and the midlands also staying dry and dodging the showers with some sunny spells. but despite a bit of sunshine, temperatures on the chilly side. similar values to today, but at least the winds tomorrow will be a little lighter. lighter still on friday and even again likely to see more of a frost on friday morning. much of the country, though, will be dry and fine. on friday. we will see rain coming into the north—west, the winds picking up here as well. that's a sign of a change. things turning wetter across the north into the weekend. staying dry in the south and slowly warming up that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> sponsors of weather on gb

meant for a massive amazon data processing centre and tata steel are getting half £1 million of taxpayers money to go green of course, and save only 5000 jobs. but there are 11 million people in the uk who could be working so do you think labour really have a plan to create jobs for you and your children in the future? and if you own a rental property, should the government be able to tell you who can live there? how long they can live there? how long they can live there for, and even whether your tenant should be allowed to keep a pet? well, get used to it . a pet? well, get used to it. that's happening in the last two hours. david lammy has committed another £600 million of your

money to ukraine, whilst also