fuel payments for winter fuel payments for pensioners cleared the commons in today's exchanges at prime minister's questions, rishi sunak pushed sir keir starmer for details on the impact of the cuts, which will see 10 million pensioners lose the payment despite the opposition. the prime minister insists it's necessary to fix a £22 billion financial shortfall. meanwhile, this morning, our political edhon this morning, our political editor, chris hope , asked the editor, chris hope, asked the chancellor, rachel reeves, if the looming october budget will be more bad news for pensioners . be more bad news for pensioners. >> we've committed to those bus passes to free tv licences for those entitled and free prescriptions, but we've also committed to the triple lock not just for one year but for the duration of this parliament. and that means that pensioners will continue to rise by whichever is higher, 2.5% inflation or average earnings. that means that pensioners have £900 more this winter, and likely another £460 from next april. >> in other news, a mother who

went on holiday to ibiza rather than attending her son's sentencing for his role in riots, has been ordered to pay compensation to the victims . her compensation to the victims. her 12 year old son, one of the youngest involved in last month's riots, admitted violent disorder in manchester. he was in court for attacking a bus and vandalising a vape shop. crimes tied to unrest after a stabbing spree in southport. the 30 year old mother was ordered to pay £1,200 compensation, approximately the same price as her holiday, and attend a six month parenting course. now in the us, donald trump and kamala harris have met again at a 9/11 memorial event in new york after facing off in their first and possibly only presidential debate last night. the showdown began with a handshake, but quickly took a turn when harris mocked trump's rallies, accusing him of boring his crowds. trump hit back, though, defending his popularity and attacking harris on her immigration stance and

economic policies . and back in economic policies. and back in the uk, the king has found himself in the middle of a scrum when he accepted a hug from a new zealand women's rugby player. king charles laughed as he was affectionately mobbed by the black ferns, who were in the uk to take on england's red roses after he said a hug. why not.7 those are the latest gb news headlines for now. now it's time for headliners for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> hello and welcome to headliners, your first look at thursday's newspapers with three comedians. >> i'm simon evans joining me tonight to debate the issues of the day or to borrow a man who's secure about the size of his

rally crowds. >> that's kerry marx and the fully taylor swift endorsed laughing nick dixon. so there you are, gentlemen. you've been rallied and debated basically with my big rally crowds. yeah. taylor endorsed me, but it was all manufactured as part of a pubuchy all manufactured as part of a publicity thing we're doing. >> have you got a date for when your relationship is over.7 >> is it.7 yeah. yeah, it's all it's all sorted. i love all that. we'll get back onto that. yeah. did you both stay up and watch the debate by the way.7 i did you both stay up and watch the debate by the way? i did, yeah, cos i'm dedicated to my work. i was, i had to drag myself away from outlast on netflix, which is a survival based reality show, which is hard for me to stop watching, but i did then watch it. yeah. >> are you trying to shame me for not being dedicated to my work? >> do you not watch it? >> do you not watch it? >> i watched it today. >> i watched it today. >> that's still dedicated . >> that's still dedicated. >> that's still dedicated. >> i didn't watch it all. >> i didn't watch it all. >> i didn't watch it all. >> i watched most of it. >> i watched most of it. >> i watched most of it. >> i just sort of monitored it on the twitter. >> yeah, i watched as much of it as i could. and then the last few minutes i thought, i've really got the gist now and nothing's going to change. >> i've got the handshake where kamala walked over to trump and looked like she was like meeting the headmaster, and from then on i thought it was over, but

apparently not. >> she clawed it back. anyway, we'll come on to that. let's have a quick look at the front pages. one story dominates the daily mail nhs must reform or die, says the prime minister, and holly willoughby or holly willoughby is back. telegraph nhs does less despite record funding. that's not good. there's vance and trump on the front of the telegraph times labour orders biggest nhs reform in history. they are going to flog it to qatar. you watch guardian. thousands dying due to nhs delays, the inquiry finds there is kamala harris giving it there is kamala harris giving it the thumbs down. the eye nhs eye nhs shake up biggest since 1948. starmer promises the uk and that, of course, was when it began. and finally , daily star began. and finally, daily star nurse donald and elon are out of bed again. they're combining two stories. very clever. those for your front pages . so let's have

your front pages. so let's have a closer look at thursday's front pages. they all carry much the same story , but we'll start the same story, but we'll start with the guardian carry. >> there was a debate. >> there was a debate. >> yes. >> yes. >> and so trump and harris last night, which as i just said, i watched just about most of it today. >> and you're putting a tell me a few moments that i missed something really important in the last few minutes of the debate, but i kind of don't think i did. >> i didn't see the exploding underpants, but i did see, i mean, you know, one of the endunng mean, you know, one of the enduring moments of course, was trump saying they're eating the dogs. trump saying they're eating the dogs . and then he added the cats dogs. and then he added the cats as if eating dogs wasn't enough. and i think he was kind of going for the dog lover vote. we all know how that's a floating vote in america, isn't it? and i thought it was just kind of a debate with very little real meat to it , debate with very little real meat to it, you debate with very little real meat to it , you know, debate with very little real meat to it, you know, and there's a lot of people saying today that, that harris took the, took the fight to trump. i think what she actually did at times was take the trump to

trump in that she used trump methods of debate, against him, which i think i think surprised him. i think it knocked him off kilter a little bit because somebody said it was a great phrase. >> i think it was an opinion columnist, an american one said that kamala is, is, you know, she's she's like learning how to cope with trump. but her greatest ally in this fight is trump . yeah. trump. yeah. >> yes. and even i thought it was a very trumpy thing to do to do the, you get small audiences at your rallies and they don't last long, which was a bit doing this to him, which kind of threw him. it's funny, isn't it? because, you see, you already know because you're all over, you're all falling for this sort of spin. >> i mean, you're all falling for the guardian type spin and the fox news spin. i mean, they're saying trump in damage control mode, but they're quoting people like fox news who are rhinos anyway? people. >> people are getting carried away with how well kamala did. >> she definitely did better than expected, but she was expected to perform like a mentally ill child. it's not that hard. she just had to form an occasional sentence and you know, you're not going to be worse than biden. biden was struggling with advanced dementia, so of course it was

going to be much harder than that. do you think in hindsight, they should have the republicans should have tried to keep biden in place? oh, yeah. i mean, yes. could they have done more to definitely. of course. and think about that. why were the moderators, why did they allow biden to suffer. but they all ganged up on trump and clearly sided with harris. now they went so far, the moderators, that they took away some of the sort of lustre from harris's performance because it was so obvious what they were doing, repeatedly fact checking trump with little snide remarks, but letting harris repeat the fine people hoax about charlottesville completely debunked even by snopes, even by the left. disgusting rubbish. and she was allowed to get away with that completely also. >> also, i mean, i'm not going completely on one side here. i was going to be more even handed, but the, but also claims that he made claims that she was going to get rid of guns and so on, and she denied it. but she has talked about the buyback schemes and so on quite a lot with firearms. i mentioned it several times . she also said several times. she also said that at a rally, he said that trump said there would be a bloodbath if he wasn't elected. but that's not a correct quote at all. what he said was there

would be a bloodbath in the auto industry if he's not elected, which is a completely different. yeah. clearly. >> really. bloodbath. yeah they just doubled down on their lies for the low information. there was another one which was corrected and abc corrected him on, but actually turned out to be true. i mean, it's a minor point, but apparently kamala harris said that she was happy to see the state pay for illegal auens to see the state pay for illegal aliens to have transects to have gender reassignment surgery, which turned out to be true, even though it's like, oh, really? okay, it's pocket change, but still . and these are change, but still. and these are the things he could have hammered her on more how radical she is. and he did hammer at the start and the end on the thing that she's in already. why hasn't she been doing these things already? because the reality is who who, who is running the country because biden's gone, he's disappeared completely and no one's running the country. so the question is who's running the country? and when? harris, let's say harris does win, who will be running it then? it won't be the same people. the same people. exactly. so she just needs to be able to speak up my worry is that they try and rig it because they know they've got a vaguely plausible candidate who can talk, and then they try and rig it again or not again. if we're not allowed to say that, i feel

he wasn't prepared enough. satirical content. go on. >> i didn't feel like he was prepared enough to deal with all that because she got to repeat her slogans, opportunity, economy. and so on, which are fairly meaningless things. and i felt that he just wasn't prepared to dive in on that and say, what are you talking about? what is it? what is the actual brilliant? what is the actual policy, she she did a number of things that just seemed a bit daft. at one point she was talking about, women getting abortions, and she actually said they'd have to get on a plane with people they don't know to fly somewhere with. yeah, i know, i thought that was never again pretty common, really. >> that does seem to be. i mean, the mad cat lady thing is obviously becoming the divisive, right? the, what's his name? vance's phrase. but that is the key demographic, isn't it? that is the one that votes kamala all the way. oh, yeah. unmarried women ? not really. they're not women? not really. they're not reachable married women. so they're not going to. but they can be activated more or less activated if they all come out, then they're in trouble, right? yeah. and we'll talk about that later with taylor swift . but later with taylor swift. but yeah, he did miss opportunities. he could have been better. i'm not saying it was vintage tom moore, although there was an element of vintage trump in how combative he was, but i think he should have been less combative

and actually played it like i'm in charge here. i'm basically winning. you're rubbish. you're a fake candidate and you could have just tossed it off like that. but he was a bit aggressive maybe. come on. can i ask you just on one issue, because i think the single most important job of the president, i mean, rhetorically certainly is commander in chief, but also it really is. that is the moment at which a single individual sits in a room with putin or xi or whatever, you know, the big international summits, they don't seem to really cover that unless you get it off the vibe. they don't really. i mean, that that's it's been a big four years with the ukraine and israel, obviously top of the list. but, you know, all kinds of other trouble spots. can you imagine kamala harris coping with iran if they kicked off? no. or dealing with putin? it's impossible to imagine. and that's where trump was strong with his story about abdul, which is his story of showing him his house and then that scared him. he is better on that stuff. he could have done a lot more on that. >> yeah, and i thought he was sorry. i thought he just skirted over that sofa for so many people who wouldn't even know the story. and it was like i showed him his house and he's like, i know that that doesn't really tell people what happened

in that meeting, or i know about it because i already know about it. >> if i was him, it.— >> if i was him, i it. >> if i was him, i would take another debate and i would i would focus on that anyway, very quickly, the nhs nick in the telegraph. oh well yeah. the telegraph. oh well yeah. the telegraph still also has trump. and by the way last thing on trump the assassination attempt wasn't mentioned at all. which is insane. weird. but, they have teams. trump at odds after debate misfire. so they're actually going with the same angle as the guardian. then they've got yeah, nhs, nhs does less despite record funding. so all the papers are going with this nhs story that starmer is basically going to revamp the nhs. it'll be the biggest revamp quite trump actually, the biggest revamp you've ever seen, and, and, and labour can do it because they're not the nasty party. although people are realising rapidly they are, they're allowed to get away with it. they're in a good position because post—pandemic, obviously people are less warm towards the nhs than they were. streeting has been getting these reports to back him up, but the only problem is labour will also be the ones doing it, so it will be a complete disaster. yeah. well do you think i mean they if they do you think i mean they if they do reform the only conceivable way in which they reform is to introduce an element of insurance, isn't it, if that's what they're talking about?

>> is that what they're talking about? they're talking about the biggest nhs reform in history, which i wouldn't have thought would be bigger than creating the nhs. that was quite a big reform at the time, since 1948. >> so that would be it. >> so that would be it. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, look, it needs reforming, you know, the nhs still relies on fax machines and pages. it's like north korea in their 95. yeah, yeah . totally. it's many yeah, yeah. totally. it's many decades behind. so that reform is happening. but the question is happening. but the question is how much is this being used as a prelude to the budget to say we need to raise taxes and so on. and just there's a lot of reasons being laid down now and everything coming, coming down to tax rises. i'm afraid that is it. >> that's it for part one. coming up in part two, we have a swift half for kamala and a bronx cheer for two

well, welcome back to headliners. this is your first look at thursday's newspapers. i'm simon evans , i've got kerry

i'm simon evans, i've got kerry marks and nick dixon with me times kerry and trump and taylor swift are never, ever getting back together again after this. i suspect. >> well, this is just more trump harris debate, isn't it? and taylor swift, chose a side after the debate, which i don't know why she didn't already know what she was she was about because i think most people could have predicted it. kerry. is that what it was? so, yeah. i mean, look, when someone endorsed famous people endorse, i get why it's famous endorsements. celebrity endorsements are a thing, but i don't really get why anyone cares whatsoever. what taylor swift has to think anyway. she writes songs about ex—boyfriends and people like them. very good. but that doesn't make her a political expert, or anyone who should have any kind of sway in her debate. this is important, but okay, that happens, she says. i'm voting for harris because she fights for rights and causes i believe need a warrior , that i believe need a warrior, that we need a warrior to champion champion them. i'm not sure , champion them. i'm not sure, kamala has done anything to really show that she's a warrior. she did keep repeating last night. i've got a plan. do

you know what? even when she says that, i find it a little bit grating. i got a plan, and it's not. it's not like i've got a plan. there's nothing assertive about it. >> i mean, it is difficult. we find it in power for four years, but yes, it is a plan also widely held to be a psyop. anyway, everyone thinks she's a creation of the fbi. yeah, i was going to say they've essentially activated . they've activated the activated. they've activated the asset is what they've done. she's already got her fake relationship with the guy with the dumb hat, the football player. everyone's saying that's fake. it's got a contract that's broken up, isn't it? that ended i think that was that expired like a no no, no. it was just released. it was revealed that it has an expiration date, but they were just open dancing. they were at the us open dancing . they were at the us open dancing. it's not, it's not. it was revealed. lift your helmet. she denied it . revealed. lift your helmet. she denied it. she denied it. but it was. it was. the claim was that it's a fake relationship. but they were. then they were dancing together to prove it was so genuine. they're going to have to stay together for another six months now. yeah. they then she had this cat lady joke. she signed it from a cat lady, which is a reference to vance, of course. but there is a tragic aspect that, like all these single women are, you know, they're struggling, they

haven't they've not got kids . haven't they've not got kids. then they're voting. all they can do is vote for the democrats to destroy the west as revenge. that's their only option. and musk, to be fair , great. very musk, to be fair, great. very nice of musk. he he tweeted. fine, taylor, you win. i will give you a child and guard your cats with my life, which i thought was generous and with musk. he has so many children, you actually believe he'll do it? he could have won you believe he could go to mars and he could have a child with taylor swift. >> even be agreed to it though, right? no, no. but she'd have to agree with her contract. >> let's be very clear. >> let's be very clear. >> he didn't mention that, did he? >> no, that's that's there was no consent in their child. >> lady. >> lady. >> the express. now nick and nigel farage heckled for using the phrase two tier. perhaps it's the phrase two tier. perhaps wsfime the phrase two tier. perhaps it's time to normalise a narco tyranny. what do you think? well, yeah, it's pmqs. nigel farage blasts keir starmer over two tier policing as mps shout shame and it's a good clip. our man farage, although a totally objective of course, but he does work here, he said. yesterday we witnessed some extraordinary celebratory scenes outside britain's prisons where in some

cases serious career criminals were released to make way for yes rioters. but equally those who've said unpleasant things on facebook and elsewhere on social media. does the prime minister understand there is a growing feeling of anger in this country, that we are living through two tier policing and a two tier justice system, and two tierjustice system, and someone had to say it because we've seen prisoners letting off champagne bottles in this pure, as you say, anarcho tyranny, as i call it, operation arkham asylum. release the prisoners throwing the political prisoners pure joker esque chaos. i was going to say it's terrible optics. it's literally batman and batman, isn't it? it's gotham will endure . it's pure. gotham will endure. it's pure. it's terrible optics. it's chaos. and what sunak is saying. nothing. it's harder for him because starmer can blame it on him, of course, and say, you mess up the prisons, but he still should be saying something. but this just proves to me farage is the real opposition. he's one the asking the question. no one else, to my knowledge, has mentioned two tier policing any way except reform he is. he's kind of like the joker in this sense, isn't he? in a different sense. but do you know what i mean? he's kind of outside of the pack. he's not augned of outside of the pack. he's not aligned to a particular suit. he's kind of a wild card. and you're right, because the very fact that he has evaded

responsibility throughout his political career, he can he can hold people to account. whereas. exactly. sure. i mean, that was the first thing starmer tried to do. right. was pin it on sunak. yeah >> it's hard to see whether what he's saying. how do you feel about nigel farage is why it was even debateable, though really there was a police , i think a there was a police, i think a study that was earlier in the week showing that they made massive mistakes during the pro—palestine riots and not knowing who or sorry marches , knowing who or sorry marches, stroke, hate marches, whatever you want to call it, in which there were loads of arrests that should have been happening. and then didn't. and what we are seeing is the fastest rush to court i've ever seen in my life. of large numbers of people, it's faster than the sale of oasis tickets, and in the past you used to have all those prisoner escape films where they would, they would. it would always start with creating a riot in the prison. but nowadays, the way to do it is to get a riot in the country, and then you're going to be let out because there's so much space suddenly going to be formed and meanwhile, the manchester two are still at large, as i will

continue to mention that the airport. >> i thought you meant oasis. yeah, totally. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> well, they were probably. the oafis >> well, they were probably. the oasis will probably be inside before those two at this point. i mean, that's just becoming absurd now, isn't it? are they just hoping that it's going to go away? nobody for instance, has been charged over the defacement of, arthur balfour's oil painting. the woman who did that on behalf of. >> i mean, there's no no one was charged for driving through golders green in london with megaphones, shouting to rape women. many people are citing that. so that's still not happening. and many people are saying that lawson natty just got out. >> he supplied the machete that killed a 14 year old boy. the other guy with him killed the boy in newcastle. he got out in six months because his sentence was under four years. they can just they can just cut it right down. starmer is blaming, as you say he's blaming. he's saying i'm angry to have to do this because he doesn't have to didn't have to make these choices. he's had to make room for these. as he said. disobliging facebook posts ridiculous. carry the independent. now it seems starmer thinks those pesky pensioners might still be holding out on him. got a few more bob in the back pocket.

>> going for the pensioners isn't he, it's hard to tell whether some of what's going on, you know, with the payment to, junior doctors, train drivers and so on might be a little bit of clientelism and whether there's a little bit of electrical engineering , perhaps electrical engineering, perhaps going on with an attack on old people who don't tend to be tory voters, which i can't blame them for that. but it'd be nice if they were honest about it. if that's the case, this is starmer refuses to rule out scrapping pensioner council tax discount after winter fuel axe. and we're also hearing, by the way, that a possible, end to the single occupancy discount for council tax as well, which it wouldn't be surprising if by the end of this term we start seeing mass protests for poll tax coming back in the way things are going right now, it's going completely opposite, there was an assessment by the government on how many additional pensioners will be driven into fuel poverty, but so far they're refusing to publish it for reasons which we haven't been given. and amongst these possible changes is free bus passes might end. and that's the

bit that concerns me the most, because i'm 58 now and i'm i've been looking forward to coming out for that. my free bus pass is the one thing, do you know what i mean? that's just i've been hanging on to that as worth living for. just like that moment when the targeting, the targeting is okay, because what people aren't mentioning here is if they do that, if they get rid of that reduction for single people, what about the poor loners? >> what about my loner discount 25% off council tax? as a loner, you already have to pay all the rent and mortgage, etcetera yourself, and then you get this one little thing which is a 25% off, and it is a government handout. but then again, i'm paying handout. but then again, i'm paying for all these people to be on benefits. so i don't really want to hear anyway. so, you know, it should be 50% anyway. >> not 25. right. >> not 25. right. >> ridiculous. it's ridiculous. yeah. right. because you're only one person instead of two. yes. it's absurd. so they're trying to get rid of that. and also the pensioners, which i find bizarre as you suggest, they're not the labour voters. labour voters, it was indicated, and mainly people on 70 plus thousand a year and it goes up the more money you earn, the more likely you are to vote labour, basically. i mean, it seems to me the obvious thing to do is to means test it with pensioners. we do all understand that a lot of pensioners own their own homes. they're not,

you know, they're doing okay, but they need to have some way of being able to monetise that right. so you just essentially do an equity release thing on their on their own homes. you put a charge against, you know , put a charge against, you know, especially pensions are going up. >> so it does make that there is an argument. but they're setting the rate quite low. i think. what is it. is it 13,000 income which we're looking at. but there's also that you know, sunak pointed out that there was a 2017 labour analysis of the conservative plans to mean test the payment, which found that it would kill as many as 4000 pensioners. so you know, i can't see that will have changed much for that a couple of years ago. >> anyway. rental reforms will force rents higher . nick, >> anyway. rental reforms will force rents higher. nick, this is according to the telegraph. i am waiting for the top of the market to evict my kids and start cashing in. you may struggle because i'm going to get rid of no fault evictions. maybe. maybe there is fault, so it says rents will surge 10% under labour's reforms. so they're going to end fixed term tenancies, get rid of no fault evictions and ban bidding wars. as a renter when i used to i sort of do both now because i'm

in london, i both anyway. it's too complicated, but when i was renting a lot, rolling rents would rolling agreements would have been nice. but landlords don't like them, obviously. but this thing of no fault evictions i find insane. and banning bidding wars is also mental and as i say, will create an inverse bidding war. you'll just bid up to the price set. they're going to the price set. they're going to say it has to be a certain price. you can't bid over it weirdly. so that's very strange. as people point out, it's an attempt to control the market, but it never actually works. it always backfires. i mean, rents gone up 6.1% on average. someone here saying they used to go up 2% a year before the government started interfering. they're trying to interfere far too much . trying to interfere far too much. what? the thing that's not really mentioned. they do mention that the heart of it is a supply and demand issue. but what they don't mention is the demand side, which is immigration. they mentioned you've got to build more. that's the other thing. but the other thing is the ridiculous levels of immigration we've had. i think it's a part of it really. you can't get past that supply and demand with loads of regulations, especially in london, where it's obviously, you know, the it's more intense and the social housing is so such an immigration related issue. it's absurd. >> i couldn't disagree more though about the one thing which

is the, the, the bidding war, which i think is horrifying. i think it's the one that i didn't even know about it until the last time i moved house. and i've rented all my life. and then you go along, you look at a place that's the price. and then if the landlord likes you or agrees, you're a good tenant and so on, then you get the place. and for the first time ever, i was going to look at a place and, and, property after property. they say if you like this property, you have to put in your bid by the end of today. now, you can't compare this with the by market by the end of the day. and then i have to trust an estate agent who then tells me someone has bid £300 more than me. and what do you mean, anyway? who this. this guy, timothy douglas. >> and it's . it's. i find it >> and it's. it's. i find it unpleasant, right? >> it's unpleasant enough, but. yeah, but. sure. but then you have some time over it and also you have some idea of what other people are offering. but this is timothy douglas of property mark and who says, he said tenants were often coming in to offer more because they like a property. i don't believe i don't believe any tenant has ever arrived at a place going, i

like this so much i'm willing to pay like this so much i'm willing to pay more for it. no one does that. i think this is blackmail by, by house owners and so on who are renting out their property, saying if you put in these these changes , we will these these changes, we will increase rents. so you're right about that. >> you are right about the bidding war. it should just be the price. it says you should be able to go under it. but i suppose you can in this. yeah, i suppose you can in this. yeah, i suppose i was thinking, i was thinking of just. i don't like the government just dictating the government just dictating the price. you should just be able to make an offer. i always like the idea. you could just make an offer, but i'm thinking of down. yeah. what's the value of down. yeah. what's the value of the place? yeah, yeah, yeah, it's cost 1900 a month. >> that's the price. and now they're to free make choices based on who they want to. but you're right. >> but the heart of your problem is still, even though you're right, is the supply and demand. you're only in these absurd bidding wars because there's not enough property. you need surge pricing rent, don't you? pricing on the rent, don't you? anyway, let's take a visit to have. we got time to squeeze that one in. let's see if we can get this in before the break. daily mail carry some of the anti—immigrant rhetoric coming out of germany is not dissimilar to that used in 2023 london. >> it's got that similarity to it. they're telling us that an eu civil war, which i think is

hopefully metaphorical, as germany migrant plan continues. and get why is it pronounced geert or geert wilders hit wilders roughly. okay, so hit wilders roughly. okay, so hit wilders vows to copy it for the netherlands . hungary welcomes netherlands. hungary welcomes berlin to the stop migration club, which sounds like a club that's very hard to join. so this is really what we're seeing, you know , germany is seeing, you know, germany is responding to the terrorist incidents recently and the rise of the afd in east germany. whose popularity you can't really ignore anymore. austria is also saying if they'll do it, they'll do the same thing. of course, this dates back to a few years ago, when angela merkel decided that, immigration is a good thing. let's let in a million. yeah. and that million have spread out. and this led to other problems. there is a feeling, you know, there's arguments that russia is also weaponizing migration to cause instability throughout europe. and, and really, in a sense , one and, and really, in a sense, one of the problems we're having doing anything about migration

is trying to get a plan throughout europe. and it really it might make a difference to our policies if some of the european countries start having a deterrent, which doesn't really exist at the moment. so they're even talking about there is discussion about, using the or taking the rwanda plan, which i think is that's germany talking about it. now i think the plan we've dropped should be kind of embarrassing for , for, kind of embarrassing for, for, you know, it used to be erdogan had quite a strong hand on this, didn't he, with turkey. >> that was like one of the big filters. but i guess if they come across the med more now, that is. yeah, i don't know about that, but it's quite funny you say about the rwanda thing. and this guy, the german migration commissioner, said, well, adding a deterrent like the rwanda scheme could take away the motivation to come to the eu . yeah, that's the point. the eu. yeah, that's the point. yeah. but what's really interesting about this story as well, well, it's all interesting, but is the, the sort of the war between germany and the eu now because they're normally sort of on the same page, but now they're really at odds over this. and the more the people of the politicians across europe have to get in line with the people, they're overton window is so much narrower, especially in this country, but they have to get in line with

them or they'll just be ultimately removed. yes. well, they've held the line for 70 years post war or something, haven't they? but it's creaking now. that's it for part two. in part three, saint jc comes to the rescue and the telegraph introduced readers to the right wing. michael moore i wonder who that

and welcome back to headliners guardian . nick. and it sounds guardian. nick. and it sounds like billions are being spent to forward an agenda that we forward an agenda that we forward every night for peanuts. exactly. here's our cash i know where's the cash? so religious groups spending billions to counter billions and billions, as trump would say, to counter gender equality education. and this is basically the guardian discovering that people spend money advancing political causes, that they agree with. and the guardian are stunned by this. they're absolutely shocked . this. they're absolutely shocked. so there's apparently some of the things they're doing in school. well, it talks about how

christians and, are putting in their views into schools. which of course is exactly what the guardian wants to do just with their own views. they just they want woke indoctrination. religion. yes, exactly . so they religion. yes, exactly. so they say tactics include removing sex education from schools , banning education from schools, banning girls from learning, reinforcing patriarchal gender stereotypes in textbooks, and rejecting gender inclusive language in other words, a load of basic stuff. they say removing girls from education. they're conflating, like the taliban or something with christianity. with christianity. just can we wait until they're seven before we show them about rimming? listen to this bit in in chile, in chile, catholic schools have used educational material that portrays men as heads of households. do you mean the bible ? that's that's literally bible? that's that's literally the portrays men as heads of households. how dare you terrify the patriarchy? kerry probably agrees with the guardian. i can see in his eyes he loves. >> this is such a guardian article because we don't really know what it is they're referring to. they start off by saying that christians, catholic schools and islamists are fighting this together, which i thought they'd be four, because that's inclusion. i thought i

thought inclusion was a good thing. all these different groups joining in, it's hard to know really, though, whether they're talking about something very religious or whether they're talking about getting rid of, you know, dei diversity , rid of, you know, dei diversity, eqtu rid of, you know, dei diversity, equity and inclusion, in which case they're now saying they're seeing that as therefore it's against equality and against girls learning and so on. you're about to well, i was just going to say i can't remember why, but i just looked at the wikipedia page for trans women this evening, and it is so like the first paragraph is so disputable and loaded and debateable their definition of it, that kind of thing. >> they're pushing back against that, i think. well, i think so. >> but what i'm saying is it's not clear enough that they might actually maybe this group is about stopping girls learning. and that does sometimes we're talking about a group of billionaires in britain or america that are trying to get girls out of school. i don't know, there could be a difference between there's differing motives and there's a religious crossover that could be extremist. i'm not seeing it mentioned here, so i doubt it. i don't think that is what it is. but we do see that. we see i remember the movement some years ago against rape jokes in comedy

and so on, and it was a feminist movement, but it was also joined in with by religious groups and prudes who who didn't have any interest in the feminist agenda but pretended they were because, yeah, yeah, they're just absolutely you can't joke about yeah, yeah, they're just absolutely you can't joke about that, similarly, i remember when the arab party got in as part of that, similarly, i remember when the arab party got in as part of the arab party got in as part of the coalition in the last the arab party got in as part of the coalition in the last israeli government, and the first thing they did they did israeli government, and the first thing they did they did was they wanted to ban gay was they wanted to ban gay marriage. and then, of course, marriage. and then, of course, the orthodox jewish people were the orthodox jewish people were like, oh, the arab party is like, oh, the arab party is nice. yeah, yeah, we're into nice. yeah, yeah, we're into that as well. so sometimes you that as well. so sometimes you get these issues and that's what get these issues and that's what we're seeing on the left as we're seeing on the left as well. we get issues that bring well. we get issues that bring in a wider range of people of in a wider range of people of different viewpoints that aren't really on board with each other different viewpoints that aren't really on board with each other at all. they're just joining at all. they're just joining coalition. yeah exactly. yeah. coalition. yeah exactly. yeah. for forces for these purposes, for forces for these purposes, do you want to anything to that? do you want to anything to that? >> nick. you already did your >> nick. you already did your bit. yeah i think yeah, we bit. yeah i think yeah, we nailed it. okay. we'll go to the nailed it. okay. we'll go to the telegraph kerry, for the news telegraph kerry, for the news that the jk rowling, the jk that the jk rowling, the jk rowling, rowling institute, she rowling, rowling institute, she is fast becoming the de facto is fast becoming the de facto protector of the scottish protector of the scottish people, in fact. oh, yes. people, in fact. oh, yes. >> should we be emphasising the >> should we be emphasising the row a bit now because, she's row a bit now because, she's investing 1.9 million in women investing 1.9 million in women

only services for just only services for sexual violence victims , which in this violence victims, which in this day and age is divisive . it's day and age is divisive. it's actually controversial to have women spaces for women. so she's setting up an alternative to the scandal hit, rape crisis centre in the scottish capital, which was run by a biological man. it was run by a biological man. it was called the edinburgh rape crisis centre, which was a good name for it. but, of course you've got a man who identifies as a woman, which he isn't going to suit a lot of women who are deaung to suit a lot of women who are dealing with sexual violence. and it's a bit weird that someone who's dealing with, the reaction to sexual assault then also has to go through a process of buying into an ideology that trans women are women in order to go to a safe space. and i think everyone should everyone has been suffering violence of any kind should, should get some kind of help. but there are reasons why there should be safe spaces for women, and it should be. >> i mean, it should be acknowledged, shouldn't it? with some sensitivity. whereas the woman i can't remember her name was an indian woman. isn't it? who runs this refuge has this.

there's some quite sort of chilling paragraphs in which she says , you know, we understand says, you know, we understand that bigots are sometimes subject to violence to, you know , subject to violence to, you know, violence doesn't discriminate. bigots can be violent, can be assaulted, but they will they cannot expect to come here and not have their views challenged. i'm like, you've just escaped like an abusive relationship and you're coming to a refuge. yes. and you and you're having your views about transsexuality challenging you. now get an impromptu lecture from robin d'angelo. yeah it's absurd. of course, women should be able to have their own space. absolutely obvious. and it's absurd that it has to be privately funded by j.k. rowling. although i didn't think this was a news story. i suppose she said she was going to do it a while ago. and then that was, i think, the figure. >> yes, i heard it a while ago, but i mean, maybe this is controversial, but remember that documentary with the red pill where she pointed out, actually, men also need their own spaces like this. >> then then you'd have to have separate third place for trans spaces.i separate third place for trans spaces. i guess it gets very complicated, but well, i as a

man, if i was escaping a violent, you know, relationship, i'd probably be all right with a trans woman running the refuge. i think i would probably be able to cope with that. i might i couldn't see you going to the refuge, simon. really? you would just. you just sort of go on a long walk or something. it would just be neutral. i would just punching the sand on the beach . punching the sand on the beach. daily mail nick and an ohio man, i believe we've got a clip of this. an ohio man, which is his son, had been killed by someone

crash makes shocking remarks as town has put at forefront of presidential debate . so this was presidential debate. so this was this shocking video that came out . now the this shocking video that came out. now the man nathan clark, has suffered the tragic death of his 11 year old boy, aiden clark. and it is absolutely horrible . a immigrant from haiti horrible. a immigrant from haiti ran his minivan into a school bus . more ran his minivan into a school bus. more than 20 were injured and aiden clark was killed , and aiden clark was killed, which is obviously tragic and horrific. but the bizarre and shocking development is that the father said, i wish that my son was killed by a 60 year old white man and his point being that it wouldn't then be politicised, and he's saying that trump and vans have to stop mentioning it and they should apologise. but so that's very disturbing in many ways. obviously he suffered this tragedy, but it is, of course, completely legitimate to question whether this man should have been here because he had an invalid driving license. yeah, he clearly didn't know the rules of the road in america. or at least he was not a good driver. and these things are relevant. and these things are relevant. and he crashed into a school bus.so and he crashed into a school bus. so then to turn it, he's also politicising it . in also politicising it. in a strange way, it is a very odd

response to many people think to do that. of course he's a father. i don't blame him for sort of saying things in his grief, but it does seem to me a completely legitimate thing to say. what should we have these people in the country who are killing children? some people, and we've seen this for a number of years now. they double down on liberal beliefs when they encounter, you know , violence encounter, you know, violence from their fathers whose daughters are raped and killed and they kind of like, welcome the perpetrator into their family or whatever in order to this was a german guy. i remember this clearly , but it's remember this clearly, but it's like a kind of stockholm syndrome. >> you mean almost. >> you mean almost. >> yeah. well, i mean, i don't want to, like, diagnose it, but it is striking sometimes and alarming. but this particular story is not it's not an outlier ehhen story is not it's not an outlier either. there's an awful i mean , either. there's an awful i mean, we've been talking about the cats and dogs, the haiti, you know, it's suddenly become this very vivid, cartoonish image. but there's a lot of video footage circulating of huge numbers of road traffic accidents, because a huge number of people who do not have any kind of familiarity with american driving regulations or,

you know, or connection to the road system, do they still get driving licenses, though? >> i mean, i'm assuming that even if he was illegal or whatever, he still had to go through some kind of, i looked into this and he had an invalid like it was deemed invalid. >> his license, it was something it was like it was from mexico or something. it was not deemed a valid license. yeah. so it's not it's not. >> so in that case there is a there is a case guy who has just just happened to be in it. >> this is like a phenomenon. yeah >> at the same time, you know, i think there's only so much credence we give to a to the message of a he's a grieving father. he's deeply in pain and upset. and it's awful for him to see politics as against his views being used in this way. >> so that is fair as well. well, that is it. for part three. in the final section, we have tech news from ford listening to your katya a cure for hangovers. so

and welcome back to the final

section of headliners. tonight we kick off kyrees with advertising news in the telegraph. and, you know , that's telegraph. and, you know, that's interesting. we seem to have jumped one. no, you wanted to do the community cohesion one, didn't you? >> not particularly wanted to, but let's do it. let's do a quick dive on it shall we. just real fast. so starmer urged to restore community cohesion programmes in schools. this is professor ted cantle, the leading from the leading think tank british future. and what he's saying is that we could, because of what happened in the riots and so on. the way to avoid that is to get down to root causes with community cohesion projects, which i'm not quite sure. look through it here. i think it's to do with going to sports clubs together at school levels and getting people to visit mosques to see how nice, friendly and fun they are, which might make some difference, i guess. i don't really know. perhaps a, you know, as part of a religious education course, it might be good to go to a mosque. and what might be also good is to find the batley teacher who's in hiding somewhere for having shown a picture of the prophet

and get him out of hiding. i think that might really go well. >> that's the thing. it's almost like another example of two tier, two tier community cohesion as well. you know, there's a kind of group of people being reached out to and you never quite feel that. >> but if it works, maybe we could put the rioters in the mosques in the prisons are full, and that might calm down a bit. it's nonsense. >> is this guy professor ted cantle? he's saying, oh, you need to get to the root causes. okay, fine. of the riots. absolutely agree. but it turns out he doesn't really mean that. he says starmer needs to develop a narrative about the way we as a narrative about the way we as a society should live together, and what you end up realising is when he says community cohesion, he means papering over the real problems in society. with a narrative about why multiculturalism is great. that was certainly my interpretation. it's jonathan miller and enoch powell on the dick cavett show yet again , isn't it part 28? yet again, isn't it part 28? anyway, now we move to on advertising news in the telegraph. you can have it any colour you like, as long as you overheard your car saying it . overheard your car saying it. oh, have i, have i missed one? that's all right. i mean , it's that's all right. i mean, it's all gone chaotic. >> we can do that if you like. why not? you just. you just call them the wrong clip from

springfield, and we'll just shuffle while you shout out numbers, ford files patent. it's just a patent at this stage to eavesdrop on drivers conversations . so the idea is conversations. so the idea is this is this is about advertising and basically the cars that will listen in to people's chat in the car in to order decide what to advertise for you. i don't know whether it's going to tell the difference between who's a passenger and who's not, and whether you're going to get your passenger, get out. after talking about fishing, and then the car will believe you want fishing ads from now , this is fishing ads from now, this is going to happen. this is all i'm going to happen. this is all i'm going to happen. this is all i'm going to say is whether we like it or not, sooner will be. eventually there'll be chips in our heads. everything will listen to us. your pen will listen. your underpants will watch things and walls will have ears. >> i was going to say about walls. i mean, i assume this is going to be like in—car stereo infotainment or whatever is going to advertise to you. but i wonder at some point if they're also going to be able to change the billboards that you drive past as well as you as you see them coming. this reminded me you haven't watched succession, have you? foolishly, but the hbo show succession, they have a one of the guys has a pitch where

he's like, what if we said, we hear you as a slogan? but it turns out they've been rather aggressively listening to all their customers. that's what this reminds me of. and then, and also, i think we would all be sacked immediately if the cars were over here. but i do think, remember, comic car journeys would probably still go on them. comics would probably paid to get the those conversations and hear who's been slagged off for like 3 or 4 hours. what do you think it's gonna be a podcast as well? it was always adam recording. nick. let's go back to the one i jumped by mistake about michael moore, the conservative michael moore. sure. why not? if we're doing stuff like that. so it's the conservative michael moore taking on the crazy diversity industry. and this is basically it's basically a think piece from tim stanley actually about matt walsh because he has this is that who it is? yeah. yeah. he has this film. am i a racist coming out and shockingly, people like robyn d'angelo, author of the awful book white fragility, showed up in the film. now it does say that she was paid $15,000. so that might have been why you start to wonder why these people, you know, showed up and didn't know that michael . i mean, i actually that michael. i mean, i actually ben, ben shapiro and mike walsh

retweeted me because i said i said matt walsh slightly changing his hair and conning all these people like robin d'angelo has got me reassessing clark kent's glasses because it actually worked. it was extraordinary that it worked, and it is very interesting. and there's an interesting discussion of comedy and how, you know, now it's moved to the right because the establishment is obviously on the left and the difficulty, the sort of paradoxes of that basically . and paradoxes of that basically. and we have time just to squeeze in this last one about, the one good piece of new technology. no jetpacks, no flying cars, but something that's going to improve my life. this is in the mirror, nick. the mirror has. yeah, the hangover cure . yeah. yeah, the hangover cure. yeah. okay. rapid alcohol reducing shock claims to work in just half an hour to keep hangover at bay . basically, it's just it's bay. basically, it's just it's called the safety shot, which already sounds not that cool for people who like heavy drinking. and it just accelerates the metabolism of alcohol in the body. and reverses the unpleasant effects of hangovers. the other thing that does that is just not drinking, which is usually my preferred method. yeah >> does it mean we can drink more? does it get rid of bruises ? more? does it get rid of bruises? >> yeah. does it get rid of the

stuff you said they call the dnnk stuff you said they call the drink drinking injuries. yeah. you know professor, is it david nutt, professor nutt anyway. that's right . yeah. he has that's right. yeah. he has created an alcohol type liquid that has got an antidote. so it will get you drunk like alcohol. and then you drink the antidote and you're completely clear. but he can't get a license for it. he claims. really? >> okay . crazy. look forward to it. >> but do you not drink at all? nick occasionally do now, just because you go to these social events and, like, you have to talk to people. but i think i might just stop going to all social events and then just never drink. yeah, because i can't. there is always a waste of time thing you can do at social events. my dad taught me. this is your first one. you ever gin and tonic. and then after that you just like rim the glass with with gin and the aroma of it will convince you that you're still drinking it, even though you just drink. >> that is the saddest thing i've ever heard in my life. you have to do this just drink company. >> do. how do you cope with talking to all the people, though? it's funny, but it's all. it's all about bravado, isn't it? that's why i don't even like champagne. but it is good for that one purpose, isn't

it? it gives you that little bit of, of a kick. anyway, we need to wind it up. the show is nearly over. let's take another last look at thursday's front pages. the daily mail nhs must reform or die, says the prime minister. the telegraph nhs does less despite record funding the times labour orders biggest nhs reform in history. the guardian thousands dying due to nhs delays, inquiry finds. the i nhs shake up is the biggest since 1948. starmer, the promises, the uk and finally the daily star nurse donald and elon are out of bed again. those are your front pages. that's all we have time for. thanks to my guest kerry marks and nick dixon, leo kearse will be here tomorrow at 11 pm. with nick and lewis schaffer, and if you're watching at 5 am, stay tuned for breakfast. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> evening time for your weather update from the met office here on gb news. pretty cold out

there this evening. temperatures are going to fall further through the night. yes, there will be a touch of frost , will be a touch of frost, particularly in parts of the north in the countryside. thanks to the winds coming around this area of low pressure all the way down from the arctic. hence why we do have the chill at the moment. there's a fair few showers still around this evening , but for many they'll evening, but for many they'll tend to fade. we'll keep some going in northern scotland, a few for the north of northern ireland. northern parts of wales, northwest england, but elsewhere many areas dry and clear and the winds easing a touch overnight. which is why those temperatures will tumble down to 4 or 5 degrees in towns and cities. but rural spots, particularly in the northern half of the uk, likely to be close to or a little bit below freezing to start thursday. so yes, a chill in the air tomorrow morning and there will still be showers in the air as well, coming in across northern scotland. still a fairly brisk wind, but not as lively and not as gusty as the winds have been through the day today. those breezes will bring a few showers across northern parts of northern ireland. plenty packing in across wales, although the

south coast probably dry and a good part of england having a dry, fine and sunny start to thursday, albeit with that chill in the air. now as we go through the day, we'll see the clouds bubbung the day, we'll see the clouds bubbling up a little bit, but i don't think we'll see as many showers as we've seen through the course of today. still plenty for wales and a few more coming into south west england and across northern scotland, but much of southern scotland dry and large parts of eastern england and the midlands also staying dry and dodging the showers with some sunny spells. but despite a bit of sunshine, temperatures on the chilly side. similar values to today, but at least the winds tomorrow will be a little lighter. lighter still on friday and even again likely to see more of a frost on friday morning. much of the country, though, will be dry and fine on friday. we will see rain coming into the north—west, the winds picking up here as well. that's a sign of a change. things turning wetter across the north into the weekend. staying dry in the south and slowly warming up a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on

well. >> it's 9 pm. on patrick christys tonight. >> we see the lefty lawyers. we see the labour party all together. they are encouraging this , this, these illegal this, this, these illegal migrants to come over the channel by using this same old slogan, smash the gangs , our slogan, smash the gangs, our migrant charities, just human traffickers in disguise. >> it's time to put them under the microscope. plus . one more. the microscope. plus. one more. what are they trying to hide? the government refuses to tell us the number of welfare claims, benefits, arrests or crimes committed by migrants in britain and i recognise that i earn more than average families in

britain. >> but i'm also determined in this position to protect the most vulnerable. >> rachel reeves claimed £4,400 from you. the taxpayer, to heat her second home. labour mps expense more than 400 grand in total. how on earth can they cut the winter fuel payments for the elderly and recognise today that our diversity is our greatest strength? king charles has gone full woke ahead of the australia visit. is this bad for the royal family? >> plus also made these statements using inflammatory language that likens children and young people coming out as trans to the spread of a disease. i've never said that thatis disease. i've never said that that is a lie. well, that is a lie, and i think you should withdraw that statement. >> both labour mps hoping to chair the women and equalities committee don't know what a woman is. >> meanwhile, i apologise. do you think he should apologise? i think i do.

>> huge leftie activist carol vorderman is clearly