gb news. >> morning 930 on thursday the 12th of september. live across the uk this is britain's newsroom with andrew pierce and bev turner to the nhs is in crisis. >> you probably knew that already. lord darcy's independent investigation has concluded the nhs is in a critical condition, but the vital signs are normal, which will suggest that we can do something about this. >> to do it well, we need to engage the whole staff, patients, the public, the political leadership all aligned to make that change happen as quickly as we can because we can't . can't. >> and the prime minister is set to make a speech on what he says is the biggest reimagining of the nhs since its inception in i948. 1948. >> labour's renters rights changes are set to include a ban on no fault evictions and breaks on no fault evictions and breaks on in tenancy rent rises in england. what do you think about that? >> and what about this ? >> and what about this? prisoners can now jump the

queue, says the mayor of london, sadiq khan, who says with a big housing shortage in the capital recent release, prisoners should be given priority to help them from re—offending. does he indeed rachel reeves budget the latest economic figures tata steel investment to save jobs and amazon's £500 million investment. >> is labour going to create a growing economy 7 growing economy? >> and the sovereign's parade ? >> and the sovereign's parade? the prince of wales will attend the parade on behalf of the king at the royal air force college in cranwell today . in cranwell today. >> and is it mrs. doubtfire or mrs. windsor? can you guess who this is meant to be? that's prince philip on the right. there's your clue. it's been dividing . opinions and reviews dividing. opinions and reviews have plainly said it is not very good. what do you think , yucks? good. what do you think, yucks? >> what i think . and >> what i think. and philanthropy, they call it charities across the uk are celebrating a groundbreaking increase in charitable gifts in wills. we call it philanthropy. we're going to be joined by the legendary tv personality and

strictly star debbie mcgee . strictly star debbie mcgee. >> feel a bit mean on the sculptor ? sculptor? >> i don't, it's terrible. >> i don't, it's terrible. >> come on. it is absolutely terrible. >> when i saw it, i had to look twice. three times. the giveaway is this is the overweight dog by her feet, which is presumably meant to be a corgi. and philip looks sort of like the prince philip. i wish he was around, because you can imagine what he'd have said to the queen about it. you know what? have you seen the funny side of it that was meant to be the highlight of that sculptor's career? >> i feel for them. i don't she looks a bit like hyacinth bouquet. she does. mrs. doubtfire let us know your thoughts this morning . thoughts this morning. gbnews.com/yoursay for the very latest news with san francis . latest news with san francis. >> bev and andrew, thank you very much and good morning to

you. it'sjust very much and good morning to you. it's just after 9:30, the top story this morning. the prime minister is warning the nhs is at a fork in the road and says it must reform or die. it comes as a report finds the health service is in serious trouble. lord darzi's rapid review highlights rising demand, low productivity and poor morale. just some of the major challenges facing the nhs. sir keir starmer is set to unveil a ten year plan today, focusing on cutting waiting times, improving community services and shifting healthcare to a digital future. he blames conservative policies for the current crisis, calling their failings unforgivable . six their failings unforgivable. six aid workers with the united nafions aid workers with the united nations refugee agency have been killed in two airstrikes on a school in gaza , marking the school in gaza, marking the highest death toll among un staff in a single incident. one of those killed was a manager of a un shelter that housed around 12,000 displaced people, mostly women and children. the school has now been hit five times

since the war began. it erupted following a hamas led attack on israel on the 7th of october that killed 1200 people and 250 abducted here, data centres will be classified as critical national infrastructure to protect against cyber attacks, and it blackouts, the governments announced. the facilities store vital data from nhs records to smartphone photos and financial information. their new status puts data centres on par with water, energy and other emergency services, and the move coincides with the proposed multi—billion pound investment in hertfordshire to build europe's largest data centre , europe's largest data centre, creating over 700 local jobs and amazon has also pledged to invest £8 billion in uk data centres over the next five years. well history is in the making today. hopefully that is as the polaris dawn crew attempt the first ever spacewalk by a non—professional group of astronauts. commander and billionaire jared isaacman and

crewmate sarah gillis will leave their modified spacex dragon capsule without the usual safety of an airlock 400 miles above the earth. they'll rely on experimental spacesuits and life support hoses to perform critical tests in the vacuum of space. the mission is privately funded, and isaacman says the risks are worth it to advance space exploration mission . space exploration mission. excuse me? and finally , mr bates excuse me? and finally, mr bates versus the post office continues to rake in awards winning best new drama at the national television awards last night, the itv miniseries revisits the honzon the itv miniseries revisits the horizon it scandal, where over 700 subpostmasters were wrongly convicted because of a flawed it system . toby jones, who plays system. toby jones, who plays sir alan bates, claimed best drama performance for his portrayal of the real life whistleblower, and joe hamilton, a former post subpostmasters slammed the government for delaying compensation for the victims, saying over half of

them remain unpaid. >> i went to westminster a couple of weeks back and saw the new minister and trust me , new minister and trust me, nothing has changed. it's true and almost all of these people behind me haven't been paid yet . behind me haven't been paid yet. and including sir alan bates , and including sir alan bates, they've offered him 30% of his claim . claim. >> those are the latest headunes >> those are the latest headlines from the newsroom for now, a full roundup at 10:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news. >> dot com. forward slash alerts . >> dot com. forward slash alerts. >> dot com. forward slash alerts. >> very good morning. it's 936. this is britain's newsroom live

across the uk on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> it's very rare actually, that every front page bev has the same story on it. thousands dying due to nhs delays. labour orders biggest nhs reform in history. nhs reform will diocese. this is the report by lord darzi, who is a consultant surgeon, which he's done in nine weeks, ordered by the new government and which says the nhs is dire and in critical condition. i think we knew that. >> well, i think we did. i know that you're concerned that this was done quite quickly, this this nine weeks. i quite like the fact that it was done quite quickly because i am sick of reports and inquiries taking years. it's found that failings in care has led to the deaths of thousands of patients. 14,000 a year? >> 14,000. that's a lot . >> 14,000. that's a lot. >> picture finding is the nhs is in a serious critical condition . in a serious critical condition. but the vital signs are normal, which will suggest that we can do something about this. to do it well, we need to engage the whole staff , patients, the whole staff, patients, the public, the political leadership

all aligned to make that change happen as quickly as we can, because we can. >> so that is lord darzi. there is his report, as you say. he used to be. >> he was. he was an academic surgeon. he holds the paul hamlyn chair of surgery at imperial college. he's an incredibly clever surgeon. he was a junior health minister in the brown government for a couple of years. he was in the labour party. he's not party priti. in fact, he quit the labour party over the disgusting priti. in fact, he quit the labour party over the disgusting levels of anti—semitism in levels of anti—semitism in labour under jeremy corbyn. and labour under jeremy corbyn. and he does. and the reason he's not he does. and the reason he's not doing many interviews, he doing many interviews, he doesn't want to get drawn into a doesn't want to get drawn into a political, a political football political, a political football because of course, labour are because of course, labour are using this to attack the tories . using this to attack the tories . using this to attack the tories. of course they are. using this to attack the tories. of course they are. >> of course they are. well, sir >> of course they are. well, sir keir starmer is set to make a keir starmer is set to make a speech later on this morning. speech later on this morning. we're going to be taking as much we're going to be taking as much of that as we can cope with. a of that as we can cope with. a little later on. he's going to little later on. he's going to talk about the fact that funding talk about the fact that funding will be moved away from what he will be moved away from what he calls unproductive hospitals, but will insist that taxes will calls unproductive hospitals, but will insist that taxes will not be raised to provide more not be raised to provide more funding. well, let's talk to funding. well, let's talk to health writer and commentator health writer and commentator and former nhs trust chairman and former nhs trust chairman roy lilley, who's well known to roy lilley, who's well known to

this programme. >> roy morning to this programme. >> roy morning to you when you read darcy. darcy. darcy knows his stuff. he's been working in the nhs for a long time. you've worked in the nhs for a long time. he he's he's in my view very clear on the problems of the nhs but i'm not sure that we there's the great solution more prevention which sounds to me a bit nanny in the, for

graphs and stuff for in the, for the bobble hats. it's a good report and you're right, i mean he highlights all of the difficulties. and the question now is okay well we've got the report. what happens next. the prime minister is going to be talking this morning. he's saying that it's going to take ten years to fix the nhs. there's going to be a ten year plan and that'll be ready by some time next year. i mean, andrew, i think the thing is here that the problems the nhs got are urgent. there are 7.6 million people on the waiting list. people are dying, waiting for treatment. we need an urgent big push on waiting lists. the other major problem, of course, is in social care. about 13% of people in beds in nhs hospitals now don't need to be there , but now don't need to be there, but they can't get home because there's no social care to support them, and there's no whiff of a plan to sort out social care. so, i mean, i don't know. i mean, i, i'm the cynic in me says that this report is

bought starmer time until he can figure out what he's going to do. and darcy's clear about it. he's saying he doesn't need more revenues . the actual revenue revenues. the actual revenue stream is improved and increased. what's missing is the caphal increased. what's missing is the capital. we haven't invested enoughin capital. we haven't invested enough in kit. we haven't bought enough in kit. we haven't bought enough stuff. there's £12 billion worth of outstanding repairs in hospitals. as it stands at the moment, and we haven't invested in enough modern equipment. well, we've got you know, we've got a government now that's saying we haven't got enough money to pay winter fuel allowance for your granny. well, how are they going to fund the hospitals to look after her when she succumbs to cold weather? i mean, they have got to find some capital somewhere to try and get the nhs back up on its feet. >> one of the things that shouts out at me as well, roy in the report, is how far we've fallen behind. i mean, i remember when the corisfonwealth fund, which behind. i mean, i remember when the coris howealth fund, which behind. i mean, i remember when the coris how far:h fund, which behind. i mean, i remember when the coris how far:h fun(fallenh report, is how far we've fallen behind in cancer care and behind in cancer care and prevention. shocking actually . prevention. shocking actually . prevention. shocking actually. we're one of the richest prevention. shocking actually. we're one of the richest countries in the world, and yet countries in the world, and yet we are falling way behind other we are falling way behind other

countries. yes, and i remember countries. yes, and i remember the time when we were we were the time when we were we were number one in the european list number one in the european list of cancer outcomes. of cancer outcomes. of cancer outcomes. >> of cancer outcomes. >> what has happened. and darcy of cancer outcomes. >> of cancer outcomes. >> what has happened. and darcy makes it clear there have been makes it clear there have been three things. there's been the three things. there's been the austerity after the world austerity after the world banking crisis . the nhs has had banking crisis . the nhs has had banking crisis. the nhs has had about a 1% uplift for over ten banking crisis. the nhs has had about a 1% uplift for over ten years, from about 2010 to 2020. years, from about 2010 to 2020. that's really what broke the that's really what broke the back of the nhs. that's why back of the nhs. that's why we've got the real problems. we've got the real problems. secondly, of course, covid made secondly, of course, covid made a huge difference, and you know, a huge difference, and you know, the government threw money at the government threw money at it, but it was chaotic. but just it, but it was chaotic. but just before that we had the andrew before that we had the andrew lansley reforms, which upended lansley reforms, which upended everything. and everybody in the everything. and everybody in the nhs, said , please don't do these nhs, said , please don't do these nhs, said, please don't do these reforms. and david cameron nhs, said, please don't do these reforms. and david cameron actually nearly stopped it happening. and in his in his actually nearly stopped it happening. and did memoirs he said he wished he'd had but the lansley reforms did a lot of damage to the, to the had but the lansley reforms did a lot of damage to the, to the structures of the nhs. so it's structures of the nhs. so it's those three things. and during those three things. and during that period that's when we fell that period that's when we fell behind. i mean, i remember when behind. i mean, i remember when

the commonwealth fund, which the commonwealth fund, which is a big american think tank, does it did it two yearly, biannually appraisal of world healthcare systems. for two years running we were the top. now we're down at about number seven. so that's the damage that's been done. and that's what we've got to try and find a way around. >> the report does also say that it has to be a collective decision of the country to save the nhs and actually talking. i find it quite refreshing about personal responsibility for your own health as well. not being too fat, not smoking, not drinking too much , getting some drinking too much, getting some exercise. wes streeting health secretary was on an alternative media source this morning saying that he is ruling out any sort of sugar tax on the big

’:pol|t|cal of sugar tax on the big t�*polillcal leadership courageous political leadership to take these things on. you won't fix the nhs unless you stop people getting sick in the first place. >> and just finally, he also mentions ozempic and says that a drug like ozempic can be used again in prevention because we know it's a huge help with obesity and obesity is the big ticking time bomb in the nhs. >> yeah, i mean with there are some exceptions, but fundamentally obesity is a lifestyle related issue . people lifestyle related issue. people eating the wrong stuff and not being able to exercise. and it's a cycle of decline and the whole thing just gets worse. i mean, there is you know, there are people who say, why should we spend money on, you know, making fat people thin? why don't why can't they do it themselves? well, the fact is they can't. it's costing the nhs a fortune. and if there is a drug, frankly, it's a cheap way out . it's a cheap way out. >> absolutely. okay. thank you so much. >> former nhs trust chairman. interesting isn't it? >> i mean it's so interesting. >> i mean it's so interesting. >> it is a good it is an

interesting report but and it's interesting report but and it's interesting that he just says which will be will shut up a lot of these labour lot. it's not about more money. yeah. because they've been chucking billions into this organisation and it's disappearing. the one thing of course the report doesn't mention about productivity and outcomes. how many strikes did we have in the last 12 months thanks to the bma. >> didn't help the hospitals, hospital doctors, junior doctors, gps are now withdrawing their labour doesn't help and i want keir starmer to come out. no politician ever really comes out and talks about people trying to look after their own health. first and foremost. does health. first and foremost. does he they always shy away from that a little bit. >> we're not really allowed to say people are fat. >> you're allowed to say that, are we? we're just going to say the nhs will be there to mop you up when everything goes wrong. well, as we can see, it's not working somehow. it's not easy. but we have to all get fitter and healthier. >> up next, you might. you're probably outraged by all the prisoners who released early this waving their palm as they were. well, now

>> good morning. it's just 950. this is britain's newsroom with andrew and bev. will you be getting in touch at home, let's see what you've got to say. i'm not sure whether we've got our guest next guest here, but anyway, anthony has said, bev, the reason we're in this mess is because left wing ideology has prevented the progressive changes required to maintain standards. starmer is continuing this trend by giving in to the unions , spike has said nhs do unions, spike has said nhs do a time and motion study on all of time and motion study on all of the managers. there is this the managers. there is this idea, isn't there, that there's idea, isn't there, that there's too many managers in the nhs? too many managers in the nhs? >> well, there are far too many >> well, there are far too many and we're spending £50 million a and we're spending £50 million a year on diversity officers . year on diversity officers . year on diversity officers. waste of money. it's one of the year on diversity officers. waste of money. it's one of the most diverse organisations in most diverse organisations in the world. the world. >> it's literally the it's got >> it's literally the it's got to be the most diverse to be the most diverse organisation. i think i said organisation. i think i said this on air last week, i'm not this on air last week, i'm not sure i did, actually. we might sure i did, actually. we might

have just been chatting in a have just been chatting in a break, but i went to a hospital break, but i went to a hospital recently just at a routine recently just at a routine check—up thing. so i had contact check—up thing. so i had contact with seven people. it was a with seven people. it was a private hospital, first time in private hospital, first time in my life. i've got private my life. i've got private healthcare because i don't believe i'll ever get treated on healthcare because i don't believe i'll ever get treated on the nhs. now i've kind of given the nhs. now i've kind of given up and i saw seven people. two up and i saw seven people. two of them were british born, so of them were british born, so there were five people who were there were five people who were all good at their jobs. all good at their jobs. everything from aussies to everything from aussies to germans to french to germans to french to afro—caribbean people , asian afro—caribbean people , asian afro—caribbean people, asian people. and i thought, what do afro—caribbean people, asian people. and i thought, what do we do in the health service if we do in the health service if these immigrants aren't here? i these immigrants aren't here? i don't know . don't know . don't know. >> look, we teased you earlier. don't know. >> look, we teased you earlier. the mayor of london, sadiq khan, the mayor of london, sadiq khan, he says housing should be he says housing should be prioritised for guess what, prioritised for guess what, newly released prisoners. in newly released prisoners. in other words, they can jump the other words, they can jump the queue and remember this week queue and remember this week 1600 prisoners were freed under 1600 prisoners were freed under the government's new early the government's new early release scheme. >> so we're joined now by former release scheme. >> so we're joined now by former senior prison officer and senior prison officer and founder of the fantastic founder of the fantastic organisation tempus novus, steve organisation tempus novus, steve freer. good morning steve. you freer. good morning steve. you have been on the top of our list have been on the top of our list to talk to every day, and i know to talk to every day, and i know

you've been study on all of you've been so busy this week responding to the release of these prisoners. so first of all, your reflections on these prisoners coming, coming out, this week, how will they have got on and would it help if we follow sadiq khan's advice and give them a house first? first up. >> well, i'll answer the second question first. yes, it would help because statistically i think it's 50% less re—offend if they've got suitable

this case then, steve, do you have a sort of a sinking heart about this new 1700 on the streets. >> yes. i don't think you know, there's, there's clearly going to be more crime and some of that will be quite devastating. we've already seen examples i think even in the last few days. sadly this is down to systemic incompetence, really. the probation have been under the cosh for years, and now we're just adding more and more pressure on them . pressure on them. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. another pretty cold feeling day to come for many of us. still a few showers as well, but also some sunshine, particularly throughout the rest of this morning. across eastern areas of

england. once again, similar to yesterday morning in fact, as well as parts of scotland too. now the most frequent showers this morning will be across parts of north wales. they'll push further inland through the rest of the day into the afternoon, and cloud will bubble up just about everywhere, bringing a risk of showers to most areas. but they'll be most frequent across coastal areas. and if you're exposed to this northerly arctic wind, you will nofice northerly arctic wind, you will notice a chill in the air once again. as we head into this evening, though, this northerly wind does slowly start to shift to more of a north easterly wind, so that means the showers will become more dominant across eastern parts of the country. eastern areas of northern england seeing quite a few showers. but that does also mean that it will turn drier across western areas, particularly across western scotland, northern ireland, northwest england, where we've really seen the bulk of the showers for the past couple of days. still a few showers inland here and there, but for most of us it should stay fairly dry, though some showers will likely continue across the far north coast of southeastern england overnight .

southeastern england overnight. tonight, clearer skies will develop. we've got high pressure building in to end the week, so clear skies quite widely. temperatures will fall away quite quickly this evening. it's likely to be the coldest start tomorrow morning of the week so far, and temperatures could be as low as around minus four degrees in northern areas, minus one or two across some rural one or two across some rural areas one or two across some rural areas further south. so potentially a grass frost out there for you on friday morning, but also quite a lot of sunshine . but also quite a lot of sunshine. and friday is going to be a nice bright day. the sunshine should be much more longer lived through the day compared to the rest of the week, but we will see cloud building in from the north—west. you can see it moving into parts of northern ireland here, western scotland to end the day on friday. but ahead of this area of rain, a fine day and temperatures climbing towards the mid to high teens. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . sponsors of boxt boilers. sponsors of weather

gb news. >> good morning. 10:00 on thursday the 12th of september. live across the uk. this is britain's newsroom with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> well, we knew it. and now it's official. the report from lord darzi, an eminent surgeon, says the nhs is in crisis. it's in a critical condition. so to how fix it? >> but the vital signs are normal, which will suggest that we can do something about this. to do it well, we need to engage the whole staff, patients, the public, the political leadership all aligned to make that change happen as quickly as we can because prime minister is set to make a speech on the biggest reimagining of the nhs later this morning. >> in fact, in about five minutes time. >> so stay tuned. and labour's renter's rights changes are set to include a ban on no fault evictions, breaks on intendancy rent rises and tenants will be able to demand the right to have able to demand the right to have a pet. what do you think? i can't stand it . can't stand it. >> rachel reeves budget. the

latest economic figures, tata steel investment to save jobs and amazon's £500 million investment. but is it going to create enough jobs and a labour doing enough to create a growing economy? >> so should prisoners jump the queue? the mayor of london, sadiq khan, says with the big housing shortage in the capital recently released prisoners should be given priority. in other words, to jump the queue to prevent them from re—offending. that's officially his view . his view. >> so is it the late her majesty the queen, or is it mrs. doubtfire? maybe. hyacinth bouquet. it's a statue. it's in northern ireland. we don't think it's particularly good, but you . it's particularly good, but you. you really have a strong opinion, don't you, andrew? >> it's terrible . it's >> it's terrible. it's absolutely terrible . and the dog absolutely terrible. and the dog doesn't look like a corgi either. >> oh, right. philanthropic charities across the uk are celebrating a groundbreaking increase in charitable gifts left in wills. we're going to be

joined by tv personality and strictly star debbie mcgee. would you leave your millions to charity ? charity? >> and we've got the big speech from the prime minister on the nhs. i hope he doesn't devote most of it to slagging off the last 14 years of tory rule, and tells us what he's going to do, because i think we're a bit sick of all this navel gazing and looking backwards. >> yeah, very, very much so. we all know the nhs appears to be broken in some areas in some ways. some individuals in that service are incredible, and i wouldn't want to undermine the amazing job that some of those life saving nurses and doctors do. but we need solutions. we need radical change, don't we? gbnews.com/yoursay give us your ideas first though, the very latest news with sam francis .

latest news with sam francis. >> very good morning to you from the newsroom. 10:02. and the top story this morning as we've been hearing, the prime minister is warning the nhs is at a fork in the road and says it must reform or die. it comes as a report has found the health service is in serious trouble. lord darzi's rapid review highlights rising demand, low productivity and poor morale. just some of the major challenges facing the nhs. well, health secretary wes streeting told us this morning that reform is he says, the only way to secure the nhs future. >> the labour party , we are not >> the labour party, we are not going to get into dewy eyed nostalgia about what the nhs was when it was created 76 years ago. we are going to face up to the hard choices and challenges today, so the nhs is there for us for the next 76 years and we deal with the awful situation we see today where those who can afford it are paying to go private because the nhs isn't there for them, and those who can't afford it are left behind. >> well, in just a few moments

we'll take you live to the prime minister in london giving a speech. but in the meantime, the now shadow health secretary, victoria atkins, told us she's concerned by the labour government's first steps tackling the health care crisis. >> i'm concerned because the first action of this government was to allow a budget busting pay was to allow a budget busting pay rise for junior doctors with no productivity forms attached, and they are also, i hear, going to cancel the productivity plan that i was bringing forward for technology. and if that is what they're doing, then that is of concern because i fear we're in for an even rougher ride . for an even rougher ride. >> and staying with the topic of the nhs, just the latest figures into us. in fact, this morning, the size of the waiting list for routine hospital treatment in england was unchanged in july. following that was three consecutive monthly increases, according to the figures out this morning. an estimated 7.62 million treatments were waiting to be carried out at the end of

july. that list hit a record high in september 2023, with 7.77 million treatments. so just down slightly on that record figure, now standing at 7.62 million treatments waiting to be carried out at the end of july. and as i say, we will take you live to sir keir starmer, prime minister, giving a speech as soon as we have that for you. in the meantime, six aid workers with the united nations refugee agency have been killed in two airstrikes on a school in gaza marking the highest death toll among un staff in a single incident. one of those killed was the manager of a un shelter that housed around 12,000 displaced people, mostly women and children. the school has been hit now five times since the war began, and it erupted following a hamas led attack on israel on the 7th of october that killed 1200 people and 250 abducted. ukraine has called on the uk and the us to lift

restrictions on using western weapons against russian targets. dunng weapons against russian targets. during a visit by the foreign secretary and the us secretary of state. yesterday, at a press conference in kyiv, david lammy and antony blinken praised ukraine's bravery but avoided committing to president zelenskyy's request to use long—range missiles for strikes inside russian territory. both leaders, though, did pledge financial support, with £600 million from the uk and more than $700 million from the us for humanitarian and energy needs. discussions will continue in washington on friday. finish what you started. that's the warning to the prime minister from a think tank following this summer's nationwide riots after violent clashes in towns and cities sparked by the deaths of three young girls in southport. keir starmer vowed that offenders would face the full force of the law, with over 200 now sentenced. however, british future, the think tank, says the root cause must be tackled. and

they're calling for integration between convicted rioters and community groups to prevent more violence. experts are calling for a national social cohesion strategy , warning that without strategy, warning that without it, divisions will deepen . data it, divisions will deepen. data centres will be classified as critical national infrastructure to protect against cyber attacks and it blackouts. the government has announced today. the facilities store vital data from nhs records to smartphone photos and financial information. the new status puts data centres now on par with water, energy and other emergency services, making sure there is greater government support to fend off cyber threats and outages. will the move coincides with a proposed multi—billion pound investment in hertfordshire to build europe's largest data centre, and will create over 700 local jobs. that comes as amazon is also pledged to invest £8 billion in uk data centres over the next five years. some space

news for you and history is in the making today. news for you and history is in the making today . hopefully, as the making today. hopefully, as polaris dawn crews attempt the first ever spacewalk by non—professional astronauts commander and billionaire jared isaacman and his crewmate sarah gillies will leave their modified spacex dragon capsule without the usual safety of an airlock 400 miles above the earth. they'll rely on experimental spacesuits and life support hoses to perform critical tests in the vacuum of space. the mission is privately funded, and isaacman says the risks are worth it to advance space exploration . mr bates space exploration. mr bates versus the post office continues to rake in awards winning best new drama last night at the national television awards, the itv miniseries revisits the honzon itv miniseries revisits the horizon it scandal, where over 700 subpostmasters were wrongly convicted because of a flawed system. and toby jones, who plays sir alan bates, claimed best drama performance for his

portrayal of the real life whistleblower. well, we'll pull away from that story to take you live now to central london, where the prime minister is giving a speech on the state of the nhs . the nhs. >> come along. but it is really good to come and join you on day two. and i hear you had a really good day yesterday, and i hope today is just as good as that. as you've heard today. lord darzi has published his independent report on the state of our nhs. it is an incredibly comprehensive analysis. some of you will have seen it. there's copies available. please read it. it is a raw and honest assessment. that's what we asked for. and that's why i wanted to come here to the king's fund, home to many of our country's leading healthcare experts, because your contributions are going to be vital as we get this precious institution back on its feet and build an nhs that is truly fit for the future . and

truly fit for the future. and look, our starting point couldn't be further from that goal couldn't be further from that goal. public satisfaction in the nhs has fallen from an all time high. when the last labour government left office to an all time low today. think of the impact that has on the staff who put in so much day in, day out, knowing that confidence is at an all time low . and that's because all time low. and that's because as everybody in the country knows, the last government broke the nhs until this morning, we didn't know the full scale of the damage, which is laid bare in the report. even lord darzi, with all his years of experience, is shocked by what he's discovered. it is unforgivable and people have every right to be angry, not just because the nhs is so personal to all of us, or

because when people can't get the care they need, they are off work, sick with huge costs to our economy. it's because some of these failings are literally life and death . take the waiting life and death. take the waiting times in a&e . more than 100,000 times in a&e. more than 100,000 infants waited more than six hours last year, and nearly a 10th of all patients are now waiting for 12 hours or more. that's not just a source of fear and anxiety. it's leading to thousands of avoidable deaths. and that phrase , avoidable and that phrase, avoidable deaths should always be chilling. that's people's loved ones who could have been saved . ones who could have been saved. doctors and nurses whose whole vocation is to save them. hampered from doing so. it's devastating. heartbreaking infuriating . and that's just infuriating. and that's just scratching the surface . high

scratching the surface. high risk heart attack patients waiting too long for urgent treatment. cancer diagnosis waiting too long with cancer. death rates higher than in other countries . and when it comes to countries. and when it comes to getting help for mental health, 345,000 are waiting over a year. that's roughly the entire population of leicester. and look, here's the crucial point the tories would have you believe that all of this is because of a once in a generation pandemic. but today's report clearly shows that this is just not true . covid hit our is just not true. covid hit our nhs harder than health care systems in other countries. the nhs delayed , cancelled or nhs delayed, cancelled or postponed far more routine care dunng postponed far more routine care during the pandemic than any comparable health system . and comparable health system. and why? because our nhs went into

the pandemic in a much more fragile state. fewer doctors, fewer nurses. fewer beds. than most other high income health systems . and let's be really systems. and let's be really clear about what caused that. that ideologically driven, top down reorganisation of 2012 from the former health secretary andrew lansley, hopelessly misconceived, cost a fortune and then all had to be reversed . then all had to be reversed. that's what lord darzi describes as a calamity without international precedent , a international precedent, a scorched earth approach to health reform. the effects of which are still being felt today. and at the same time, they inflicted what the report describes as the most austere decade since the nhs was founded. crumbling buildings , founded. crumbling buildings, decrepit portacabins, mental health patients in victorian era cells infested with vermin. when we say they broke the nhs,

that's not performative that's not perform ative politics. that's not performative politics. just look at it. the 2010s were a lost decade for our nhs, a lost decade in which the conservatives left the nhs unable to be there for patients today and totally unprepared for the challenges and opportunities of tomorrow . and it's not just of tomorrow. and it's not just the state of our national health service in crisis , it's also the service in crisis, it's also the state of our national health. we're becoming a sicker society, spending more of our lives in ill health than ten years ago . ill health than ten years ago. there are 2.8 million people economically inactive because of long term sickness . as today's long term sickness. as today's report makes clear, the nhs is not contributing to national prosperity as it could. getting people back to health and work

would not only reduce the costs on the nhs, it would help drive economic growth and fund public services . but economic growth and fund public services. but perhaps economic growth and fund public services . but perhaps lord services. but perhaps lord darcy's most finding is about the declining physical and mental health of our children. fewer children getting vaccinated, while those from the most deprived backgrounds are twice as likely to be obese by reception, age twice as likely. much of this is a direct result of wider social injustices , poor of wider social injustices, poor quality housing, lower incomes , quality housing, lower incomes, insecure employment, all of it not just damaging the health of our nation. it's piling up the pressures on our nhs. so that's the report. but look, i haven't come here just to set out this appalling inheritance, though it is really important that we know it and properly understand it in detail. but my labour government

was elected on a mandate for change. so i'm also here to talk about how together we can fix it. i feel very profoundly the responsibility for this and indeed the opportunity of this moment. the nhs may be broken, but it's not beaten. as the report says, the nhs may be in a critical condition , but it is critical condition, but it is vital. signs are strong and we need to have the courage to deliver long term reform. major surgery, not sticking plasters. we've got to face up to the challenges. look at our ageing society. the higher burden of disease. and so the nhs is at a fork in the road and we have a choice about how it should meet those demands. don't act and leave it to die. raise taxes on working people. or reform to

secure its future . our working secure its future. our working people can't afford to pay more, so it's reform or die . so let me so it's reform or die. so let me be clear from the outset what reform does not mean. first, it does not mean abandoning those founding ideals of a public service, publicly funded, free at the point of use. the basic principle of dignity , inspired, principle of dignity, inspired, of course, by bevan that when you fall ill, you should never have to worry about the bill. thatis have to worry about the bill. that is as true today as when the nhs was founded 76 years ago . the nhs was founded 76 years ago. and i believe in that very deeply. as some of you will know, my mum and my sister both worked in the nhs. my wife works in the nhs. and the nhs cared

for my mum throughout what was a very long illness. so the nhs runs through my family like a stick of rock . but you know, stick of rock. but you know, this isn't just about emotion, it's about hard facts too. the nhs is uniquely placed for the opportunities of big data and predictive and preventative measures. so the problem isn't that the nhs is the wrong model, it's the right model. it's just not taking advantage of the opportunities in front of it. and that's what we need to change. second, reform does not mean just putting more money in. now of course, even in difficult financial circumstances, a labour government will always make the investment in our nhs thatis make the investment in our nhs that is needed always. but we have to fix the plumbing before turning on the taps. have to fix the plumbing before turning on the taps . so hear me turning on the taps. so hear me when i say this. no more money

without reform. i'm not prepared to see even more of your money spent on agency staff who cost £5,000 a shift on appointment letters, which arrive after the appointment, or on paying for people to be stuck in hospital just because they can't get the care they need in the community. and tonight there will be 12,000 patients in that very position. that's enough to fill 28 hospitals. so we can't go on like this as lord darzi has said. nhs staff are working harder than ever , but harder than ever, but productivity has fallen because patients can't be discharged. clinicians are spending their time trying to find beds rather than treating more patients . than treating more patients. that isn't just solved by more money, it's solved by . reform.

money, it's solved by. reform. and third, reform does not mean trying to fix everything from whitehall . it really doesn't. whitehall. it really doesn't. when lord darzi says there are vital signs of the nhs and their strong, he's talking about the talents and passions of our nhs workforce. that's what he's talking about. the breadth and depth of clinical talent, the extraordinary compassion and care of our nhs staff. if we're going to build an nhs that's fit for the future, then i tell you we're going to do it with our nhs staff and with our patients too. we're going to change it together . now that starts with together. now that starts with the first steps. the 40,000 extra appointments every week . extra appointments every week. but we've also got to do the hard yards of long term reform. so this government is working at pace to build a ten year plan , pace to build a ten year plan, something so different from

anything that's gone before. this plan will be framed around three big shifts, three fundamental reforms which are rooted in what lord darzi has set out today. first, moving from an analogue to a digital nhs . we can already see glimpses nhs. we can already see glimpses of the extraordinary potential of the extraordinary potential of technology , like the world's of technology, like the world's first ever non—invasive knife less surgery for kidney cancer. just imagine that pioneered by leeds teaching hospitals, or the precision cancer scanners. i saw some of them yesterday or simply transforming how we manage a condition . we went to king's condition. we went to king's mill hospital earlier this year and met a 12 year old girl called molly . she's using her called molly. she's using her smartphone to monitor her glucose levels instead of being forced to repeatedly prick her

fingers. it made such a difference to her daily life and gave great reassurance to her mum, who could remotely check on the settings and the findings. so we've got to make these opportunities available to everyone. we've got to use technology to empower patients and give them much greater control over their healthcare. take an innovation like the nhs app. this could be a whole digital front door to the nhs. appointments self—referral reminders for check—ups and screenings. patients in control of their own data, health care so much more transparent. so you always know your options and the standards that you should expect. and you know , earlier expect. and you know, earlier this year i went to alder hey hospital . many of you will know hospital. many of you will know it. it's a fantastic hospital where they carry out heart surgery on infants , which is surgery on infants, which is really humbling to see. and i

met the parents of a two year old who'd had extremely complicated heart surgery, tiny infant, incredible surgery. i asked the parents about their child's history and conditions. how did he come to be here? what's the story behind this? and as they told me, i could see them welling up as they went through the history of the conditions, all the background. and then they told me that every time they went to a different hospital, they had to go through all of that over and over again. they really struggled to tell the story, and they had to do it every single time, because the records weren't held electronically . so we've got to electronically. so we've got to have fully digital patient records so that crucial information is there for you whenever you go to the nhs. and while i'm on technology, we're also going to throw the full weight of the british government behind our world leading life

sciences . second. and sarah sciences. second. and sarah mentioned this. we've got to shift more care from hospitals to communities. now the king's fund has long called for this . fund has long called for this. successive governments have repeatedly promised it. but what's happened ? the opposite. what's happened? the opposite. the share of the nhs budget spent on hospitals has actually increased . now this ten year increased. now this ten year plan has to be the moment that we change that. the moment we begin to turn our national health service into a neighbourhood health service, that means more tests , scans, that means more tests, scans, health care offered on high streets and town centres, improved gp access, bringing back the family doctor, offering digital consultations for those that want them. virtual wards and more patients safely looked after in their own homes, where we can deal with problems early

before people are off work, sick and before they need to go to hospital . and we have to make hospital. and we have to make good on the integration of health and social care so we can discharge those 26 hospital worth of patients , saving money, worth of patients, saving money, reducing the strain on our nhs and giving people better treatment. and third, in terms of the shifts, we have got to be much bolder in moving from sickness to prevention. now we've already announced nhs health checks in workplaces, blood pressure checks at dentists and opticians. but that's just the beginning. planning for ten years means we can make long term investments in new technologies that will help catch and prevent problems earlier. and there are some areas in particular where we've just got to be more ambitious, like children's mental health or

children's dentistry. you know, one of the most shocking things that i saw this was actually when i was at alder hey hospital again, i mentioned the heart operations, but whilst i was there talking to the staff, it became clear that the single biggest cause of children going into that hospital between the ages of six and ten was to have their rotting teeth taken out. i couldn't believe it. i was genuinely shocked when politicians say they're shocked too often, but i was really shocked . the single biggest shocked. the single biggest cause of going into hospital 6 to 10 year olds have your teeth taken out. can you think of anything more soul destroying for the children? what a price to pay for that brilliant nhs team who want to use their talents to save lives, spending their time taking out rotting teeth , something that could so teeth, something that could so easily have been prevented . and easily have been prevented. and look, i know some prevention

measures will be controversial, but i'm prepared to be bold even in the face of loud opposition. so no, some of our changes won't be universally popular. we know that. but i will do the right thing for our nhs, our economy , thing for our nhs, our economy, and our children . now, the task and our children. now, the task before us is the work of our generation. we've already hit the ground running, negotiating an end to the strikes which the tories refused to do. strikes which were costing us a fortune and we inherited a thousand trainee gps who were set to graduate into unemployment. instead, we've hired them. but only fundamental reform and are planning for the long term can turn around the nhs and build a healthy society. that won't be easy. it won't be quick. it will take a ten year plan, not just

the work of one parliament. but i know we can do it because we've done reform before. the last labour government reformed the nhs to deliver better outcomes for patients and better value for taxpayers. conservative governments then undid that good work, which only goes to prove once again that only a labour government can reform the nhs. and my labour government has a huge mandate for change. we're mission driven and i think the themes of this conference today are fitting for this moment. challenge, change and hope. because the challenge is clear before us. the change could amount to the biggest reimagining of the nhs since its birth. and the hope? well, that's what's really exciting and galvanising about this moment. because if we get this

right, people can look back and say, this was the generation that took the nhs from the worst crisis in its history. got it back on its feet and made it fit for the future. thank you very much for listening . thank you. much for listening. thank you. >> the king's fund about this report by lord darzi, who is an eminent surgeon into the nhs. the nine week report. he spent far too much of that report, in my view, talking about why the tories were so awful. >> of course he did. >> of course he did. >> that's what starmer is doing. how much longer can he keep doing that for the bit that i obviously if you watch the show regularly, you will know. i do not think that apps are the solution to everything, particularly when it comes to healthcare. i think actually human beings tend to do a pretty good job of looking after other human beings, rather than whatever the app says on your phone. and how do you feel about health checks in the workplace? nhs health checks in . the

nhs health checks in. the workplace so you could go to work. they'll stand you on the scales. they'll do your blood pressure. they'll listen to your heart in the workplace, and then they will tell your doctor and then who else will they tell you? health insurance? will they tell you life insurance? >> not sure who's going to do the tests. >> didn't say. he didn't say. >> didn't say. he didn't say. >> it'sjust >> didn't say. he didn't say. >> it's just bizarre. >> didn't say. he didn't say. >> it'sjust bizarre. i mean, >> it's just bizarre. i mean, you know, i'm a big fan of taking personal responsibility, trying to get well and fit and healthy. it's not easy, but we all have to do it a little bit. but i'm not sure that should be anything that your boss gets involved in at work. >> we've got the panel with us, karen malone and nichi hodgson carroll. he did say in there, actually, i was quite heartened by that in his report because the report is more interesting than starmers speech that it is quotes implausible that more cash for hospitals will lead to improved performance. because it's not about money. it's about delivery. >> maybe that's the first thing he said. i said, i agree with. >> yeah, that was darcy. oh, that was darcy. darcy. okay. in his report. >> well, and that's absolutely the case. we've been saying that for years. but you know what? subsequent governments don't want to take on the sacred cow thatis want to take on the sacred cow that is the nhs. they don't want

to mess with it because they know it's going to involve people paying some money for their health care at some point. so they don't want to be the ones to do it. and the tories haven't done it. and i don't believe labour is going to. i mean, i did listen to a lot of what he said there when he said that this reform is going to be different than anything that's ever been done before. don't believe it for a nanosecond. and i think i think it was light on detail, what he said, what starmer said and i find it astonishing that, you know, how long did that grenfell report take, however many years, seven years or something. this report took nine weeks. and i'm thinking, okay, so the behemoth thatis thinking, okay, so the behemoth that is the nhs that is in the biggest mess you can ever imagine. they've got a report out in nine weeks that says how they're going to make it better again, which that's why i don't believe it. >> but i just think that. >> but i just think that. >> don't you think, though, that that darcy brings his experience of working in the nhs for years to it. he probably could have sat down and written that report in five minutes, maybe. >> well, he probably did, but charge for nine weeks. >> he doesn't. he doesn't really say how to fix it. >> he tells us what's wrong with it. and he says, if we're going to have an analogue move from analogue to digital. all right. >> we did that once. don't

remember. >> and yet a move from nhs hospitals to gp's primary care pharmacies. well good luck with that. when did you last see a gp. well when did can you get through on the phone to a. >> wow. and also we had to arrange that we had a report out last week saying that community, local rural pharmacies were in decline. >> you know, we've got a massive problem with the closure of pharmacies. and then at the same time they're saying, well, pharmacists have got to serve half of your medical needs so we can take the pressure off gps. i mean, i think back to when i worked in the nhs in the 2000, in various different clinical departments. and, you know, i was a temp and i was a classic example of someone brought in to fill gaps that really shouldn't have been serviced by me, because i was completely out of my depth with some of the jobs that i was given to do, for example. well, for example, i had to do the cancer patient list, like which which patients got cancer treatment first. and i would sit in a surgical meeting, listen, because i had latin and greek from school. that's the only reason they gave me the job. and because i could understand the words, i had to sit in there and then help relay the information to the patients

and make the decisions. this is terrifying. and i was about 20. i was about 2021 when i did that job. and the and there's no training. they just say there's your temp job, you know, fill your temp job, you know, fill your little hours in a week and go and do whatever we give you to do. >> and you wonder who's answering this phone on one, one, one, doesn't it? >> well, we know who's andrew gwynne. they're not all medically trained people. they're not nurses, though. we know they're not necessarily even medical practitioners. they're just whoever that is astonishing. and this is no insuh astonishing. and this is no insult to you, of course, but it's probably why we have one of the worst cancer cases. >> well, exactly. i was completely unqualified to do that role. >> i had no, you know, i didn't have the experience of age, you know, at this age, i'd be able to deal with people better. i couldn't even do that. there was a story last week that said that said, would people they're going to start letting nurses make assessments now instead of doctors. >> and i'm thinking, no, this is not denigrating nurses either, because they do an incredible job. however, they don't do seven years of medical school. they're not trained, they don't have the kind of medical degree that doctors have, and they don't get paid the salary and they don't get paid the salary.

so why should they take the responsibility? but this is what's going to happen. our healthcare now is going to be lumbered to on pharmacists, nurses, people like yourself, temps who are doing it for a few weeks. you know, who gets who lives and who dies, who gets cancer first. and he's not telling us anything that's going to change it. he's talking about more care in the community. when i was a kid, if you were in hospital, if you if you were older, older people got put into these. what was there was a name for these hospitals that they put you into that were kind of aftercare. what was the name? >> yes they were. >> yes they were. >> there was a name for them and it wasn't like specialised medical treatment, but you put people there to recovery, to recover recuperation and rehabilitation. yeah. and there used to be one in every town and in every village. and it got you out of the bed. it freed up the bed.so out of the bed. it freed up the bed. so nurses could take care of the elderly who had nowhere else to go. they scrapped all them to save money. so now you have elderly people. thousands and thousands of beds in this country are taken up by people who are fine, but they've just got nowhere else to go. >> yeah, but he also says in the report, darcey, he talks about the collapse in productivity. >> so surgeons are now doing what is it, fewer.

>> oh what is it, fewer. >> on 13. it's what is it, fewer. >> oh 13. it's 12% what is it, fewer. >> on 13. it's 12% drop. >> on 13. it's 12% drop. >> yeah. 12% fewer operations per surgeon than five years ago. >> they're probably on strike most of the time. >> i just want to go back to the report because live at five, olivia utley is about to ask the prime minister a question. >> gb news is olivia utley reforming health care? >> do you predict that the bma will now embrace productivity reform with open arms? >> well, look, i don't i've said we'll do this with the staff and we'll do this with the staff and we will, but i know from my old job running the crown prosecution service that whenever you try to reform anything, there will be some people, i'm afraid will say, oh, don't do that. it's better as it is. i wouldn't do that, keep things as they are. we have to take that attitude on. in my view, it's an inhibitor of change. so whilst we say we will do it with people and we will do it together and we will, i know in my heart of hearts we will meet pockets of people who will

say, don't do it , slow down, go say, don't do it, slow down, go over there, not over there. leave things as they are. we have to take that on and we will take that on. that's part and parcel of the change that we need to bring about. thank you. i've got natasha from lbc . i've got natasha from lbc. >> here. the labour party, when the bma were constantly on strike in the last 12 months, calling out the bma. he's talking about resistance to change. how is he going to get past the bma when they did not call out the strikes? >> well, they've tried throwing money at them and that didn't work. so i don't know what they're going to do to do that. you know, we know that people died during those strikes. we know that people's care was scrappy during those strikes. even though the bma insists that that that the most serious cases are covered. we know they're not. they're just not covered. so, you know, how how is he going to make that? it doesn't matter how much that now is run by militants, the bma, it's not run by people who care about doctors particularly. it's run by people who hate governments and want money. and that is that is going to be the problem in future. if he's talking about cutting costs, how is he going

to do that when they're going to be demanding ever more? every year ? year? >> i think we have to go to break. >> i think we're going to go. >> still to come. we're

1040. this is britain's newsroom with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> so rachel reeves is meeting stormont leaders to discuss the northern ireland funding model. today. >> she's sorry. >> she's sorry. >> no. carry on. >> no. >> no. >> oh. go on. she's also going to meet the uk bank bosses with reports the bank of england governor, andrew bailey, could attend. >> and of course, we've got the budget coming up at the end of october. let's cross now to the east midlands, where geopolitics and finance expert roger gewolb joins us. roger we've seen we know they're preparing us for huge tax rises, capital gains probably inheritance tax. they've not ruled out a property tax a wealth tax. we're already more taxed in this country than we ever have been since the second world war. >> you left out the rumour, or

more that we're also going to be taxed a xp per mile for driving our cars. >> guy anker point. >> guy anker point. >> yeah. it's unbelievable. >> yeah. it's unbelievable. >> and how does this how does this fit in with the chances boastful strategy of growth, growth, growth. how do you create growth if you tax us even more? roger >> you don't i think that they're very buoyed very bolstered by things like tata steel's £1.25 billion investment. that's coming in even more so by amazon web services. £8 billion investment that's coming in over the next five years. just those two things, andrew, are going to create some 20,000 jobs. and that's wonderful. and basically they want to sell us the idea of a growth while doing everything thatis a growth while doing everything that is non—growth at the same

time, by jumping on those trains of amazon and tata. but it's really not possible. it's somewhere between mad and naive. what they are announcing to do with tax, with energy, with how they are going to be treating they are going to be treating the older, lower earning pensioner and other type of citizens in terms of tax take and the apparent recent attacks on free speech are all things that you would think would drive investors away and produce a low growth economy. so it's a push me pull. you situation, which is not untypical for starmer and laboun not untypical for starmer and labour. i mean, let me just say they have the opportunity to become the greatest heroes in history for easily fixing all the things wrong with this country. after 14 years of

labour neglect and ignorance of the electorate. but they seem to be proceeding in totally the different direction. >> fascinating. roger short but sweet. we're a bit pressed for time because of keir starmer this morning, but thank you. it's always good to see you. roger gewolb there. we've got him. >> correct. >> correct. >> he did say 14 years of labour neglect. he meant tory. >> i wondered whether it was a freudian slip, i have to say, because it does feel a little bit like we've. >> carol and nicky are still here with us. >> you wanted to raise the point about starmer, the still ongoing row about scrapping inheritance fuel duty. sorry, the winter fuel duty. sorry, the winter fuel allowance. carol, i know what you mean. pensioners. >> yeah, he he's been asked sunak yesterday in the commons. asked him to for the public to have sight and figures about the impact statement of how cutting the winter fuel allowance will affect pensioners this winter i.e, to put it bluntly, how many will die because we know that labour did research in 2017, its own research, which said that 3800 would die. now starmer is

refusing to make these figures public, and there's only one reason he's doing that. it's because they're way higher than 4000, or they haven't done the assessment, or they haven't done the assessment. and i suspect it's actually the fact that they're way higher than 4000. i don't know about you guys . i saw don't know about you guys. i saw an old an older lady on the television this week and it made me weep. she was talking about this winter. she can only have her heating on a 13 degrees. she doesn't turn her oven on at all. and she's terrified of what's of what's coming. and you know, i think this government, which is supposed to look after the most vulnerable in society, they don't get older people, they don't get older people, they don't get older people, they don't get elderly people, they don't get elderly people, they don't get elderly people, they don't get that even if they have savings, a few grand in savings, which puts them out of eligibility for pension credits. they hang on to that because we've all been taught that when you get older that you might need money for some big thing, you might need it for your health care or whatever. so they hang on to the bit. health care or whatever. so they hang on to the bit . they're not hang on to the bit. they're not spending it. they're not using it for food or heating. they're keeping it in case they have to

look after themselves or a loved one. and this government should understand that. and it's not getting it. and it's actually keeping anyway. it's millions of people . people. >> they're also doing nicky, which i find so distressing is they won't hold these massive corporations to account. absolutely. i was just about to say that for jobs at 6:00 this week, and we had steve mccabe on last night, former labour mp, and he said, why aren't they attacking the standing charge with these fuel companies. yes, these standing charges, whether you're using it or not, are going up enormously. why won't they attack the hosts? >> because they still want to try and make out that it's to do with the war in ukraine, don't they? they're still using that line. they're still saying, oh, it's circumstances beyond our control, which is why we can't touch these conglomerates and we can't, you know, take them to task.i can't, you know, take them to task. i mean, i mean, the whole thing about this, this winter fuel allowance issue is actually that it's not a maths thing. actually, it's a principle thing. and labour should fundamentally have never touched the winter fuel allowance when exactly as you say, carol, they're meant to care about the most vulnerable. >> six conservative chancellors.

>> six conservative chancellors. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> and , you know, it's exactly >> and, you know, it's exactly what carol says. older people have a different relationship with money. and so what if you live in a house that's worth £1 million, you can't liquidate the value of your home. well sometimes people end up having to do that when they have healthcare issues. but i mean, you know, it doesn't matter. the expense of your house if you've still got to heat it. >> nikki, this, this, this policy is going to save a piddling £1.2 billion, which is outrageous when you consider that the projection for the pubuc that the projection for the public sector payments this year is £14 billion. so if we've got this fantasy black hole, which we haven't, but if we had, why are we giving public sector workers 40 billion and robin pensioners, we've got to move on i'm afraid, ladies, we've been by the clock. >> but don't go anywhere. we're going to talk about

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what what should we talk about? >> well, i kind of i wanted to talk about rachel reeves today, trying to justify the fact that she gets £3,700. has claimed that in the last five years for her heating bills at her second home in leeds. and she's actually just saying that, you know , mps have to be in when she know, mps have to be in when she was an mp, you have to be in london and i'm thinking, so you are on 158 grand a year. your husband is very well paid, a very senior civil servant earning £620,000. >> so there you go. >> so there you go. >> so there you go. >> so there's a household that's bringing in nearly 300 grand, and she's talking about how she needed this heating money. pensioners are on ten and a half grand a year. and yet we have our chancellor who's going to take the money away from society's most vulnerable. and yet her and all the other cabinet members have got their snouts in the trough, and they're taking it for their heating bills. and it makes me boil with rage that they can't see the hypocrisy of this. they can't see the cruelty of this. >> they've completely lost the narrative, nicky, of the political landscape since they've gone into . yeah.

they've gone into. yeah. >> i don't know what on earth is going on. i mean, you just asked me, are you still left wing? because i probably sound like i'm not at the minute, given the absolute mess. >> yeah, i did in the break. i said, you do still consider yourself to be a labour supporter. >> i mean, i do, but it's like having worked in pr as we were talking about, you know, with the winter fuel allowance story, they're saying that you're going to be better off with the triple lock. front load the story. start with that. where's the story saying how amazing everything's going to be that the triple lock is protected. and then when you've got to cut the winter fuel allowance or means test it, it's not so much of an issue. i don't know who's doing pr for these people, but even that doesn't make any sense to me. >> it's not true because because food prices went up 7% this yean food prices went up 7% this year, the triple lock was made. the pensions go up about 6.8%. so they're no better off than they were. >> but i mean, but if you think maybe that is an argument against it. >> but what i'm saying is if you're in labour, in team labour doing this work, that's where you start to persuade people. >> so some of the people with the triple lock nato mean, some pensioners will go into taxation for the first time. >> yes, yes, yes, and i can't i mean, why how can that be fair? >> you know, people talk about

pensioners having pensions. you know, my mom had a pension. she inherited my dad's pension from the electricity board. it was about six grand a year. it was, you know, when you eke it out over 12 months, it's, you know, at the tuc conference, i counted. >> i was there this week. i counted in the prime minister's speech. he mentioned workers 19 times. how many times did he mention pensioners? >> not once, not once. we should talk about it once. >> we should talk about the tuc. in your experience there this week , you've got thrown out of week, you've got thrown out of a tuc meeting, didn't you? >> i've tried to get in to hear angela rayner speak. she's the deputy prime minister and this person say, what do you mean to me? >> and said, can i help? >> and said, can i help? >> i've sat there very quietly, waiting in this room for the should be entitled to share a platform with mick whelan, the head of asda, who's done very well out of the labour government. yes, 15% pay rise. she threw me out. >> what an event. >> what an event. >> it's a private event, i said. it's not a private event. madam, this is the tuc conference. here's the programme. advertise speech by the deputy prime. threw me out. >> there was of course, they raised cain. >> the two seem to be knives

allowed back in. and it was a mysteriously trapped in traffic. >> how convenient. >> how convenient. >> get on a platform with mick whelan. so i could have asked her about the up to 15% pay raise on the day they were voting about the winter fuel allowance. >> well, they seem to be. >> well, they seem to be. >> well, they definitely seem to be shying away from any sort of i mean, you know, we've had very few on this on this channel. oh, no, they don't want the full grilling, do they? they don't want they don't understand. >> again, when you work in pr, when you work for a party, friends close, enemies closer, you let people in. >> this is the worst. >> this is the worst. >> this is the worst pr because, i mean, i think piers said we had a chat in the toilet there. piers said on the way out to this pr woman, it is a unisex toilet. >> just so people know that. >> just so people know that. >> okay, okay. unisex toilets. we have to say at that point piers actually said thanks very much for that and she said, i did say what? >> and you said, well, because you've just given me a great story. >> thank you very much. i have been going to party conferences since 1988. >> i have never, ever been thrown out of one. even in the dark days of jeremy corbyn, they'd say, oh, it's you. you're not going to, but they need it. >> otherwise, if you, if you, if

you ban people, what happens? they turn against you, even if they weren't already against you in the first place. >> a full page in the daily mail out of it. here it is. here it is. sps angela rayner. and it's just a kind of propaganda press. >> all it means is that they will always control. they trying to control the narrative. but as you said, it's just not working. >> it's not and it's not how it works. it's not how the system works. >> don't censor who can ask you questions, don't censor. >> well, no, because that's what trump does when he picks his kind of priti. >> this is not what happens in a democracy where they try to hide the truth from you. they're coming. >> they're coming back. >> they're coming back. >> we're going to be talking to debbie mcgee. >> yes. debbie mcgee. >> yes. debbie mcgee. >> debbie mcgee. don't go anywhere. >> oh, lovely . >> oh, lovely. >> oh, lovely. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar. sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> hello. good morning. welcome to your latest gb news, weather update. another pretty chilly feeling day after the cold night last night. it's actually going to be a colder night in the coming night, and there will still be a few showers around , still be a few showers around, but i think a generally drier

day, particularly across western areas, we've got high pressure building in for friday, but before then still a cold arctic northerly wind pushing into parts of scotland and northern england, north eastern england in particular through today. so here it will still feel particularly cold in the wind, but further south and west, a little bit more shelter here. so it will feel slightly warmer today compared to yesterday. again, showers will develop into the afternoon quite widely across the uk. heaviest though, across the uk. heaviest though, across coastal areas and temperatures in the low teens for many of us. now into this evening, we'll continue to see those showers at first, particularly across north and eastern coasts , northeastern eastern coasts, northeastern coast of scotland. but as the winds shift to more of a north easterly, it will become drier across more western areas. so a dner across more western areas. so a drier evening to come for western scotland. parts of northern ireland couldn't rule out the odd shower, but i think there will be some clear skies before the sun sets into parts of wales as well. inland areas, though of central england, south—east of england in particular, will probably see the potentially most heaviest showers into this evening. but

showers into this evening. but showers will tend to fade away as that high pressure builds in overnight tonight. so a widely clear night away from the far south—east coast will continue to see a risk of showers overnight and that does mean that temperatures will fall away quite quickly. this evening. so a colder night to come compared to last night. just about anywhere really. could catch a ground or air frost overnight tonight and temperatures in towns and cities though just above zero. so a cold but sunny start to the day to come on friday. i think the sunshine will be much longer lived through friday, as we do have that high pressure building in cloud will tend to thicken though, across northwestern areas ahead of the next band of rain, but with more in the way of sunshine and lighter winds. it will will feel warmer with temperatures reaching the high teens. for some of us, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather

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>> oh well. >> oh well. >> 11 am. on thursday, the 12th of september. live across the uk. this is britain's newsroom with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> good morning. so nhs in crisis. lord darcy's independent investigation has concluded the nhs is in a critical condition, but the vital signs are normal, which will suggest that we can do something about this to do it well, we need to engage the whole staff, patients, the public, the political leadership all aligned to make that change happen as quickly as we can because we that was lord darzi speaking. >> sir keir starmer has promised the public he will undertake the biggest reimagining of the nhs in decades. >> nhs may be in a critical condition, but it is vital . condition, but it is vital. signs are strong and we need to have the courage to deliver long term reform. major surgery, not sticking plasters and labours , sticking plasters and labours, renewing renters rights.

>> changes are set to include a ban on no fault evictions and reducing tenancy rent rises in england. but what do you think of that ? of that? >> and what about this idea of prisoners to jump the housing queue? that's the idea of the labour mayor of london, sadiq khan, who says with a housing shortage in the capital, recently released prisoners should be given priority to help prevent them from reoffending . prevent them from reoffending. >> and is it our late queen or is it mrs. doubtfire? can you guess who that is meant to be? it is a statue. if you're listening on the radio, it's worth having a look online just to see the picture of this. one commentator said it's not good. what do you think? >> it's not good. >> it's not good. >> it's not good. >> it's terrible. and philanthropy, they're calling it charities across the uk are celebrating a groundbreaking increase in charitable gifts in wales. we're going to be joined by the tv personality and strictly star debbie mcgee .

strictly star debbie mcgee. >> we did an interview. if you missed it, just earlier with one of the guys that works with prisoners who come out and they have amazing results in terms of re—offending being down, he said. sadiq khan you can give them a house, but if they've not got money to live on, they've not got a job, they've not got a way to pay for it. it's just going to end badly for them. so typical. >> and he also said the release of 1700 prisoners this week was a knee jerk reaction to overcrowding. >> and he said it will definitely result in more crime. >> isn't that terrible? >> isn't that terrible? >> gbnews.com/yoursay we're going to go and read your messages now whilst saint francis reads you the . news. francis reads you the. news. >> very good morning to you. it is just after 11:00 and the top story this hour, sir keir starmer says the nhs is broken but not beaten, delivering a stark message after a report into the health service. lord darcy's rapid review highlights rising demand, low productivity

and poor morale. just some of the major challenges now facing the major challenges now facing the nhs. it's after figures out this morning have shown ballooning waiting times and delays in a&e and in cancer care. well, speaking earlier, the prime minister warned there will be no more money without reform and said big shifts are needed to secure the nhs future. >> only fundamental reform and a plan for the long term can turn around the nhs and build a healthy society. that won't be easy. it won't be quick. it will take a ten year plan, not just the work of one parliament. but i know we can do it . i know we can do it. >> prime minister there, speaking earlier. well the conservatives have said it is time for to labour turn rhetoric into action, and shadow health secretary victoria atkins told us this morning she is concerned by the government's slow first steps on tackling the crisis. >> i'm concerned because the first action of this government was to allow a budget busting pay

was to allow a budget busting pay rise for junior doctors with no productivity forms attached , no productivity forms attached, and they are also, i hear, going to cancel the productivity plan that i was bringing forward for technology. and if that is what they're doing, then that is of concern because i fear we're in for an even rougher ride. >> and some breaking news in the last few minutes from the home office. martyn's law, named after 29 year old martyn hett, who was one of 22 people killed in the manchester arena bombings, has been introduced to parliament this morning . the new parliament this morning. the new legislation aims to strengthen pubuc legislation aims to strengthen public protection against terrorism. and under that law, venues must adopt actions like training staff and improving security protocols, depending, of course, on their size and capacity. it will fulfil the prime minister's promise to martin's mother, figen murray, to bring in the new law after her tireless campaigning . in her tireless campaigning. in a sign that major changes could be ahead for the uk's workforce, health and care worker visa applications have plunged by 83%

from april to august of this yeah from april to august of this year. new figures from the home office reveal dependent visa applications also dropped by 73%. meanwhile, student visas saw a 17% drop, but dependents of students took an even sharper hit with an 83% decline. in contrast , hit with an 83% decline. in contrast, applications for skilled worker visas rose by 18% over the same period . turning to over the same period. turning to news overseas and six aid workers with the united nations refugee agency have been killed in two airstrikes on a school in gaza, marking the highest death toll among un staff in a single incident. one of those killed was a manager of a un shelter that housed around 12,000 displaced people, most of them women and children. the school has now been hit five times since the war began, which erupted following a hamas led attack on israel on the 7th of october that sadly killed 1200 people and left 250 abducted.

ukraine has called on the uk to and the us in fact, to lift restrictions on using western weapons against russian targets. that's during a visit by the foreign secretary and the us secretary of state. at a press conference last night in kyiv, david lammy and antony blinken praised ukraine's bravery but avoided committing to president zelenskyy's request to use long—range missiles for strikes inside russian territory. both leaders, though, did pledge financial, financial support with £600 million from the uk and more than $700 million from the us. that's for humanitarian support and energy needs. discussions will continue in washington on friday. finish what you started. that's the warning to the prime minister from a think tank following this summer's nationwide riots after violent clashes in towns and cities sparked, of course, by the deaths of three young girls in southport. sir keir starmer vowed that offenders would face the full force of the law, with over 200 now sentenced. however,

british future, that think tank, says the root cause must be tackled, calling for integration between convicted rioters and community groups to prevent more violence. experts are also calling for a national social cohesion strategy, warning that without it, divisions could deepen. without it, divisions could deepen . data centres will be deepen. data centres will be classified as critical national infrastructure to protect against cyber attacks and it blackouts. the government has announced today. the facilities store vital data from nhs records to smartphone photos and financial information. their new status will now put data centres on par with water, energy and other emergency services, making sure that there is greater government support to fend off any cyber threats or outages. the move coincides with a proposed multi—billion pound investment in hertfordshire to build europe's largest data centre that will create over 700 local jobs . and finally, some local jobs. and finally, some fascinating space news for you. history is in the making today,

as the polaris dawn crew are attempting the first ever spacewalk by a non—professional group of astronauts. we can take you live inside that space capsule as the commander and billionaire jared isaacman and his crewmate sarah gillis are preparing any moment now to leave their modified spacex dragon capsule, and they will do so without the usual safety of an airlock some 400 miles above earth. they'll rely on experimental spacesuits and life support hoses to perform critical tests in the vacuum of space. well, that mission is privately funded and isaacman says the risks are, well, they're worth it, he says, to advance space exploration. >> does that. >> does that. >> and as soon as we see that they are leaving, that space capsule, we will bring those live pictures to you for that moment in space exploration history. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'll be back with you in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign

up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> always fascinating those space stories. i actually love to go to space. >> no way i would . >> no way i would. >> no way i would. >> would you? >> would you? >> yeah, yeah, i think it would be the trip of a lifetime, just so you can look back at earth and get on the moon. i met buzz aldrin, who was the second man on the moon. >> anyone out there got a rocket she wants? >> she doesn't want. she doesn't want me to come back. >> elon, if you're watching, send him anyway. we're going to be talking about that. we don't know anything about that spacewalk. we're both a bit gnpped spacewalk. we're both a bit gripped there, but we're going to take some live pictures, i think, in just a minute. on we are we're taking them now. >> right. >> right. >> the polaris dawn , their first >> the polaris dawn, their first ever spacewalk. this is an american space mission. and they're not professional astronauts. >> we're watching these live

pictures . now, where's tom pictures. now, where's tom harwood when you need him? he's probably in that blooming space capsule he'd like to be. let me tell you what it is . i would not tell you what it is. i would not want to do that at all. i would tell you what's going on. right. so this is we watch. if you listen on the radio, we're looking inside the capsule now. the crew are in their suits. one of them is called isaacman. i presume that's his surname . and presume that's his surname. and not not a nickname. mr isaacman , not not a nickname. mr isaacman, the crew is talking about initiating seat rotation . that initiating seat rotation. that means they're moving around the furniture so they can move around easily. is that interesting ? apparently, it's interesting? apparently, it's all i've got, andrew. it's literally all i've got. >> i thought they were going to walk in space, not walk around the space capsule. >> they're walking around a space capsule. there's hundreds of kilometres above the earth . of kilometres above the earth. these two people, now, they are preparing to exit a space capsule. >> so they are going into space. >> so they are going into space. >> first commercial space walk attempt. okay, now it's . now i'm attempt. okay, now it's. now i'm getting it. i'm so sorry about this. jared isaacman, 41, is a

billionaire. he chartered the polaris dawn mission and sarah gillis, she's a senior engineer at spacex. that is of course, elon musk's company. and they are they are in the in the capsule, as you can see now they've got their spacesuits on and, and so they are going to walk in space. >> that's an extraordinary experience. any moment now if you're listening on the radio, they are about to exit the space capsule. we think they're counting. this is terribly exciting. they are making history. they used to be the first non—commercial, non—professional astronauts . so non—professional astronauts. so they paid. >> basically, they've paid for the luxury of doing this. let me tell you what they're wearing. they've got touch screen compatible gloves. of course you need those because there will be obviously touching all the things they've got a flame resistant outer layer on their suits . hopefully they don't need suits. hopefully they don't need that. they've got heel sliders to secure their feet to the foot rest. right. probably fairly important, i would have thought. they've got hearing protection in the helmet because when they're taking off and going down, obviously they've got to

look after their ears. this is such a high risk thing to do. >> it is how long are they going to be up there for. but they are. we think they're about to go into space. they're about to exit the capsule. although the picture may actually be stuck. what else are they doing , what else are they doing, >> how much is it costing? >> how much is it costing? >> well, apparently, i don't know. hang on, hang on. i mean, it's billionaires, your secretary. i shall find this information out for you. >> i mean, it's a billionaires game, isn't it? i mean, you look who else has got racing to get into space. >> richard branson, elon musk. yeah.i >> richard branson, elon musk. yeah. i mean jeff bezos, he's got the blue origin. >> that's his company isn't it. obviously spacex. >> it is. >> it is. >> it is the new space race. i can remember the excitement. i can remember the excitement. i can remember the excitement. i can remember the excitement of the apollo's going up. do you remember. and i can remember my dad taking my brother and i out into the garden, pointing into the great blue yonder at night and saying, that's the spaceship. and we believed him. >> and what was it? >> and what was it? >> just a star. just a star. but we were we were so excited , i we were we were so excited, i think i was 7 or 8 or something. so excited. and it took me. it was only years later that i realised dad had just said it oh

to, yeah, and you've remembered it all these years later. >> that's that's so great. it is a major milestone. this obviously that's obviously mission control there. those are all the people who are making sure that they that we can listen in. >> in fact, initiating secondary o2 >> in fact, initiating secondary 02 public and commercial services union . services union. >> and with that news, our eva has begun . has begun. >> so you're going to hear referred to as primary and secondary o2 referred to as primary and secondary 02 primary is going to be that primary flow of oxygen to pressurise secondary is largely putting oxygen into their suits to help with cooling. but secondary is the first one we turn on. and so our 02 flow timer has started. eva o2 flow timer has started. eva start . at 3:12 am. pacific. start. at 3:12 am. pacific. i'll do the math on utc in a little bit . so this first this little bit. so this first this first operation or this first step in the operation is a suit

purge . so inside their suit, purge. so inside their suit, obviously when the visor is still open, it's still a nitrox environment. it's the same as the cabin. and since they're going to be at a lower pressure than what you can basically live at with, with oxygen levels , at with, with oxygen levels, they're going to be on pure o2. they're going to be a 100% oxygen environment. and i mean, you guys were kind of in the same thing. and it's because like your suit can't you can't move a suit around at 14.7 psi. you know, maybe you can. >> but so we're looking if you're on the radio, we're looking in the capsule again. now it appears they're opening the top. >> that's why to exit into space right. >> so they are 1400 kilometres above earth in miles. >> they are the farthest humans have travelled since the apollo program. >> over 50 years. >> so that's 400 miles. amazing. it's the polaris program's polaris dawn crew were watching here, as we say, two private individuals who've paid for the luxury.

>> the thrill. >> the thrill. >> sharing these with you, the privilege you might say, the risk to take this spacewalk so much brighter than it was just it's happening right now. >> this is history in the making. the polaris dawn crew and spacex spacewalking from the furthest point from earth . yeah, furthest point from earth. yeah, it's 870 miles. >> the talk is they've decided to say how much it's costing, but the suggestion is both of them have paid literally hundreds of millions of dollars each for the privilege they'd have to , wouldn't they? because have to, wouldn't they? because this is i mean, you just got to look at the ground crew, dozens and dozens of people in ground crew coordinating this. >> then there's the cost of building the capsule, getting it up there, keeping it up there, and how long are they going to go walking for? >> it's an interesting first ever private spacewalk . ever private spacewalk. >> that's actually one of this is, have this new coating on them different than should we listen to the commentary that we can just hear from the mission controllers? coating actually helps to insulate the individual

inside the suit. so when they're looking at the sun dragon spacex, a reminder after the initiation of primary o2 flow ev one, ev two will need to adjust vocs threshold low following primary o2 flow initiation . primary o2 flow initiation. >> so it's called it's called the. it is the dragon capsule . the. it is the dragon capsule. just to remind you it's jared isaacman and scott pettit. he is the billionaire. she is she's an engineer. and this will be and they're actually now in space. they're not quite yet are they. we thought they were. we've talked too soon. they're still we're in the we're in the capsule primary o2. we're in the we're in the capsule primary o2 . so they're capsule primary 02. so they're pressurising their suits to equip themselves to go outside. they have to get these spot on right don't they. >> this is with the air flow coming through. so this is the

commentary on vox, meaning that their microphone is on the whole time . so sarah and jared are time. so sarah and jared are going to be adjusting their audio levels as this flow continues to, to help regulate that. >> yeah. the, the voxel kind of attenuates. so it will it will sound like this now. but as we get through the spacewalk, it will kind of come down and you'll just hear voices a little bit more clearly . their voices bit more clearly. their voices are actually going to to change like did that does that happen to you. did that throw you mike, the first time you heard it? >> absolutely did. yeah. because you're talking and you're going who is that? >> right . because who is that? >> right. because yeah. you don't realise how how much different it can sound. yeah. your voice can sound in that lower pressure environment. yeah. >> speaking of lower pressure, we can we can see the pressure changing there with the telemetry in the bottom left hand side of the screen. so we can see that suit pressure going up . and we're able to keep tabs up. and we're able to keep tabs there as well with the dragon pressure. so dragon on the far

left circle that's the pressure within the cabin. and then suit. obviously that's the pressure within the suits. so we'll be actually be able to and i think we've kind of been able to see it already that these suits will inflate a little bit, look a little different . and we were little different. and we were talking about the visors before. so when they're in the sunlight that coating will help keep them cool and not overheat them. and then when they're in shadow it will help keep them warm . will help keep them warm. >> so, and it's also like your sunglasses as well. yeah. right. it serves that purpose . it serves that purpose. >> all right. so at this moment, the suits are getting their primary pressurisation. this takes about 3.5 minutes, a little bit less. and then we're going to go through those actual suit leak checks, the crew will probably get a reminder they have to stay really still when we do those leak checks. and i always was kind of wondering like, why the heck? and like, if you if you bend your arms, you're actually going to start,

you're actually going to start, you know, changing the volume inside the suit. and that will cause pressure spikes. and so that's right. you got to stay really still. yep and then after after we get through the leak checks, we're going to go through kind of that final prebreathe where they're going to hang out in that 100% o2 to hang out in that 100% 02 environment just to continue purging all of that excess nitrogen. purge complete, activate secondary flow on vie portland complete . portland complete. >> ev1 open . torfaen open. >> ev1 open. torfaen open. depher two. >> open . >> open. >> open. >> and right there , they they >> and right there, they they finish the purge. and they did it quick re—initiation of that secondary flow check. >> closed secondary flow into portland. complete

>> wanted to say that tom harwood has joined us in the studio and he is our resident space expert. gets very excited about these things. andrew and i have never felt more out of our depth tom harwood than trying to commentate over the historic spacewalk. fill us in on what's happening. >> i wouldn't say i'm an expert, but i am a fanboy. i mean, this is an incredibly exciting mission because this is the furthest any human has been from earth since the days of the apollo program. we're talking half a century. no one has been this far from earth. >> why would they want to? >> why would they want to? >> this is testing the boundanes >> this is testing the boundaries of what we can do in space. you'll see that the spacesuits these guys are wearing are so much more slimline, so much more ergonomic. we can all remember the big, massive spacesuits that you can barely move in that back. michelin men that the that the all the astronauts of yore used to wear. this is full of innovations. this, dragon capsule that they're in it. it flew up, of course, on elon musk's reusable rockets. this is such a cheaper mission than any

government has ever been able to deliver. so if this is successful , this could genuinely successful, this could genuinely show us the path to much, much less expensive space travel. this is going to open the door to a new economic sector. >> i'm very nervous. >> i'm very nervous. >> we don't because we don't know how much it's cost because the estimate is they've paid several hundred million pounds to be on that. oh, absolutely. >> that spaceship , which it's >> that spaceship, which it's a lot of money, but not a billionaire compared to the price that nasa would pay for something like that. that would be billions. yeah. compared to the price of the original apollo missions, compared to the price of, of even the sort of the new missions that nasa is looking at and has delayed and delayed and delayed in terms of trying to get to the moon. the artemis program, as it's known , this is program, as it's known, this is so, so much cheaper . program, as it's known, this is so, so much cheaper. and it's in this funny sort of stage we're talking about billionaires going up into space. only billionaires can afford it, actually. frankly, the fact that any human

being can afford it at all, rather than a government, shows how much cheaper it's become. >> so this means does this mean elon musk has won the modern space race? >> elon musk owns more than half of all satellites orbiting the earth . earth. >> does he really? >> does he really? >> it's an extraordinary statistic . elon musk and his statistic. elon musk and his spacex innovation has reduced the cost of getting a kilogram into orbit by a factor of around ten. i mean, it is extraordinary. the innovation that spacex has provided. they're the first they're the first to have really changed the commercial space world. but there are others now entering. jeff bezos, the founder of amazon, has a company called blue origin. they're also looking they've just been doing sort of, tourism things to start with. but there are bigger rockets that they're developing that could be genuine competitors going forward. there are other, more innovative. we've seen a few failed launches from virgin galactic , richard from virgin galactic, richard branson's outfit, but there are also lots of other smaller, companies that might well take

off. we're in the very early days of an incredibly exciting new sector. >> i think it is exciting. there are some people listening, will be thinking, these men have got all this money and they're they're spending it on a rich man, rich woman's toy. couldn't this money be spent doing something much more useful on the ground? what would you say to that, tom? it's a great space exploration lover. >> i think that if we look at all of the big innovations that have happened on the ground, look at how many of them have actually come from space. if we didn't have the apollo program in the 60s and early 70s, would we have had the technology boom that has enabled us to have a supercomputer in our pocket that has enabled to us have the sort of communication and information technology that we couldn't live without today, or if we didn't have the international space station orbiting the earth consistently, would we have the same level of understanding or indeed development of treatments for diseases, of understanding, of how things grow and develop,

the amount of science that we get sometimes incredibly surprisingly, you know, we'll be trying to solve one problem. and through trying to solve that problem accidentally, we'll invent something that then becomes completely necessary for another form of life. an example of this is kevlar bullet—proof mesh that now all police wear that soldiers wear when we're fighting. that's a by—product of space exploration. no one thought that we're actually going to create a bullet—proof vest here. they thought we were going to try and get to space, but we get a bullet—proof vest out of it. and again and again and again. you see an example like that. >> can we just talk about who these people are? because i'm fascinated by this. so jared isaacman is one of the passengers, one of the astronauts. he's a philanthropist. he was born in 1983. so he is not an old man. he's 41 years old. he's got an estimated net worth of $2 billion. he made his money. let's have a look. he's the youngest of four children. he

founded a retail payment processing company called united bank card, a point of sale payment. so he's made his money in sort of finance transactions . in sort of finance transactions. he then co—founded a florida based company that trains pilots the united states armed force forces, he's a qualified in multiple military jet aircraft that he can fly himself . and in that he can fly himself. and in february 2021, he announced that he would serve as commander of inspiration4. that's the first private human space flight in which none of the people on board from a government agency. >> it's incredible, isn't it? he made a lot of money doing financial technology , and now he financial technology, and now he wants to explore. it's the great new frontier. it's the it's the adventure, the call to adventure that i think so many people have within them. it's in the human condition . people want to climb condition. people want to climb mountains. people want to see the unknown. this is the next frontier. you know what, though, tom? >> he's married and he's got two

young daughters. if i was his missus, i'd be a bit hacked off about taking this kind of risk. when you're a father of two children. >> yeah . i mean, you children. >> yeah. i mean, you might be. you might be, but then again, that's what it's all about. >> risk takers are the people who push the human race forward. the people who first went to the antarctic south pole, the people who first climbed everest, the people who first sailed out to discover a new continent. i mean, these are all things that have pushed us forward as a species. i should say that spacex have said that the suit leak checks are complete, are complete . this is when they have complete. this is when they have to expel all nitrogen from the internal, sort of air makeup of the suits, because if the air pressure is high, then they can't really move because they're blown up like a balloon. so they have to have an oxygen only internal sort of air system within their suits so that they can actually bend it. and move it. otherwise they're full up of air, right ? like a michelin man.

air, right? like a michelin man. so they need to expel all the things that aren't oxygen from the system , which looks like the system, which looks like they have now been. it is now complete . all remaining nitrogen complete. all remaining nitrogen has been expelled from the crew. >> when they get out of the capsule. tom, how far do they walk for ? walk for? >> they won't be going very far from the capsule because they'll be tethered. right? so there is. we were able to see it a moment ago within the capsule there, that sort of long, snaking white, it looks like a very thick cable. yeah. that will that will tether , the that will tether, the spacewalker to the dragon capsule . so only the length of capsule. so only the length of that of that rope . but of that of that rope. but of course, that feeling, is extraordinary because currently they are, 400 and 341km above they are, 400 and 341km above the earth's surface, right . this the earth's surface, right. this is the further, as i say, than anyone has been since people went to the moon and to be outside the capsule, the safety of the capsule just floating

there in a spacesuit connected by a cable to that capsule, will be just an extraordinary sense of loneliness and they'll be and their, their, their suit will be equipped with cameras so we can see what they can see. >> yes. see what i mean? yes. >> we'll be able to i mean, this is really remarkable when we'll all remember the very grainy footage of neil armstrong stepping down off apollo 11. one stepping down off apollo 11. one step for mankind and all that. yeah. one small step for man. although there was a dispute, he always said until until his later years that he actually said, this is one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind. although everyone reported it because it was sort of fuzzy in the communications. one small step for man, a giant leap for mankind. i think either work actually, the one that everyone knows is sort of more poetic in a way, even if it doesn't make so much more sense. >> the other passenger on here, this is the female. >> this is this is a woman. sarah gillis. she's the lead space operations engineer at spacex, so she won't have paid

for her. she hasn't paid for hers. she it looks like she is basically there because of the bafis basically there because of the basis of her expertise. >> and she's only 30. >> and she's only 30. >> amazing. >> amazing. >> she's very young. >> she's very young. >> she's very young. >> she's the lead astronaut. she leads the astronaut training program. sorry. at spacex, she is a primary trainer for the inspiration4 crew. she, as well as the voice of mission control dunng as the voice of mission control during launch. if any of you have seen the netflix series countdown, inspiration for mission to space, she is in that documentary, very pretty mixed race woman. she yeah, i mean , race woman. she yeah, i mean, look, it's very high risk , this look, it's very high risk, this tom, isn't it? let's be honest. anything could go wrong . anything could go wrong. >> well, this is going to be the first time that the eva suits these spacesuits. that they're wearing has been tested at this altitude . yeah, this will be. altitude. yeah, this will be. i mean, of course, they've gone through many, many , many tests, through many, many, many tests, but, you know, you don't know

until, you know, you don't try until, you know, you don't try until you try. and of course, the dragon capsule has, has gone up many times before. it's one of the regular supply capsules for the international space station. the crew dragon has been used , it's sent people up been used, it's sent people up to the international space station and back down again. but the isthe the international space station is not very high above the earth. it's in space, but barely in space. it's in low earth orbit . this mission here earth orbit. this mission here has gone so much further than the es, i mean , the es is around the es, i mean, the es is around 248 miles above earth. i mean , 248 miles above earth. i mean, currently currently, these people are 542km above earth. i mean, i'm trying to do the conversion in my head from miles to kilometres. but i mean, it is it is at least 100 miles further. yeah >> you're so excited by this, aren't you? >> i think it is.

aren't you? >> i think it is . it's kind of >> i think it is. it's kind of magical that we can see the live streaming of this. i mean, even 20 years ago, we wouldn't be able to see this sort of thing live streamed. a lot of the footage that we now know and love from the apollo era, they shot on film cameras and had to develop it when they got back to earth. people didn't see it until weeks later. the fact that this is live happening hundreds of kilometres above earth, 554km above earth. the fact we can see this live , i mean, this is this live, i mean, this is a this live, i mean, this is a this is a miraculous thing to see if this is a success, tom. >> which it apparently it is. so far. how quickly do you think this could become almost perhaps irrelevant, but we could see commercial flights into space. i mean, how many years away is that? >> i mean, at the moment it's just the purview of billionaires. yeah perhaps in a decade it'll be the purview of millionaires. yeah. i mean, think about the early days of flight. yeah. ordinary people didn't get on aeroplanes in the first few decades of flight. it

was only people who were in the military or the most rich people on the face of the planet, perhaps you'll see something similar in terms of first, it has to be open to the billionaires, then the multi—millionaires, then the millionaires , and perhaps you millionaires, and perhaps you and i will be able to go in in a few decades. i'm thinking , when few decades. i'm thinking, when are they sending up the first journeys? >> because you'll be in the queue. >> i might well be in the queue, but i wouldn't want to be first. i think i think i'd want to be. i'd want to to, have some pioneers go before me and go on a tried and tested route. but this tech is all going to be useful for the next moon mission by the end of the decade. nasa say they want to get man and woman the first woman on the moon. in the next man on the moon. in the next man on the moon. that's the artemis program. and part of the artemis program. and part of the artemis program is actually. elon musk's spacex. they've commissioned the starship and adapted version of starship, which is the largest rocket on the face of the earth that we've seen. some of the tests for down in boca chica, texas. we've shown some of those

launches here on gb news, elon musk's starship will be the lander for the moon, so it won't it won't be getting people up to the level of the moon, but it will be bringing them down to the moon when they get there. and it will be that landing craft for the artemis astronauts. so this is an entirely private spaceflight that we're seeing here. but it also feeds into the public private partnership that now nasa is going to say much. >> who would be funding nasa's trip to the moon? that would be that's the american taxpayer. >> that's the access program. >> that's the access program. >> that's the access program. >> that's very expensive, very expensive, but less expensive than previously, because there's this competitive tender, you know , they had a competition for know, they had a competition for who's going to be the landing vehicle for the moon. >> elon musk's spacex was one of the people who who put in a submission to that competition. so did jeff bezos. he got he came close. boeing i think united launch alliance. >> it used to be a country competition because the soviet

union got the first man in space. they did. was it yuri, yuri gagarin ? yuri gagarin? >> yeah. and the first dog, laika. >> exactly. but the first man on the moon. america. yes, exactly. so america won the space race, and america ultimately won the space race. space race. >> space race. >> and the soviet union sort of backed away from it . but of backed away from it. but of course, once america won the space race, the last time man went to the moon was 1972, december 1972. i mean, that was 52 years ago, and we haven't been back since. >> why not? >> why not? >> well, i mean , at one point, >> well, i mean, at one point, at one point, it can only have got cheap. at one point, the american public was spending, i think, 5 or 6% of gdp on nasa is now it's now around 1% of gdp. a lot of money, in 1972, what did you have? you had the vietnam war? yeah yeah. you had the oil crisis. you had all of the. yeah, the gulf crisis that later you had the iranian revolution. basically what you had was people starting to get very environmentally conscious . they

environmentally conscious. they didn't want to spend so much. they there was the big anti—war movement. all of this stuff meant that actually a lot less funding went into nasa and associated programs. >> and you can you can almost hear the protests from just stop oil and the green party about this, can't you? >> and yet the technology that we discovered through these sort of processes are going to be the solutions, although very often we've seen, of course, just stop oil and the green party campaigning against things like nuclear power campaigning against things that actually are low carbon. >> you look at the shonky piece of kit which landed on the moon, that can't have been very expensive. >> it was very expensive . >> it was very expensive. >> it was very expensive. >> it was then. >> it was then. >> but think about it. think about it. bev, you've got a phone sitting there on the table. that phone has more processing power than the entire apollo program did. well, exactly. >> so i just don't understand how why they haven't been back since 50 or 60. >> do you mean like this? >> do you mean like this? >> has all got cheaper and more accessible? it has. >> but. but but, bev, when they went to the moon. think about it. every single bev is sceptical about it.

>> no, no . >> no, no. >> no, no. >> sceptical. when they went to the moon, they built this massive rocket called the saturn five. yeah, it was up until today, the largest rocket that has ever flown on earth. the only rocket to be bigger than thatis only rocket to be bigger than that is elon musk's starship, which is undergoing testing right now. and it hasn't. it's only done one successful test, right? so we haven't built a big enough rocket ever since the 1960s. and 70s. why? because it was incredibly expensive. only governments could do it because they had to throw away the rocket at the end of the mission. they were disposable. they were all disposable. and this is recyclable. >> we all remember the ultimate recycling . recycling. >> we all remember these, these these images of, of the saturn v going up. and the first stage falling away and crashing into the sea. and then it's lost forever. the next stage falling away and crashing into the sea. and it's lost forever. they didn't do anything with it, and therefore only governments would spend billions of dollars on

this disposable rocket, so they couldn't keep going back to the moon in that way. they then tried to create a reusable spacecraft in the space shuttle, but that didn't work very well. it turned out that the space shuttle, every time it flew, it had to come back down to earth, be disassembled completely, and then reassembled completely to be safe. and actually, it wasn't even that safe. an aircraft . even that safe. an aircraft. >> i'm amazed elon musk hasn't got himself in there isn't on this flight, is he not? is he not fit enough? >> he's said before because he's he richest man on the planet . he richest man on the planet. he's been asked many times, do you want to be on that first rocket to mars? do you want to be? he said, no, he doesn't want to be the first person to mars. he doesn't want to be the first person doing this stuff. he wants to be running the company. and he thinks that if he were lost because these these are risky missions, if he were lost on one of these missions, then the whole thing might collapse. what he wants is to create a multi—planetary species. he wants humans to be spreading amongst the stars, and he thinks that if he were, you know, if

there's a 10% chance of failure, that's a pretty high risk failure rate. and even if there was a 1% chance of failure, that would be an issue. so stay with us. >> us. >> we're going to talk now to the space and planetary scientist andy lound, who joins us. andy, how exciting is this for you? >> it's very exciting. this is this is this is a breakthrough moment really in many ways because we've got it's private mission, which is which is in itself is more staggering than anything else. but it's also the fact that you've got this particular mission flying, which of course, is a in the last few hours had flown the highest altitude since 1966 of a crewed mission, which in itself was quite fantastic how far we've we've waited to actually do that. and now we're seeing really what is the next step on the long road to putting humans onto mars and for making a truly interplanetary species? and i think elon musk's goal for that is quite an interesting one. and

you have to have these incremental steps to actually do it. and we're really making that step now. i mean, when you look, if you compare the, say, the interiors of that spacecraft and the types of spaceships, they're using to those of the apollo era, you can actually see how far we've come with technology, technology, which is developing is pushing , what we need to have is pushing, what we need to have here, down here on earth. and i think there was a mention of especially things like green technology and things like that. well, this is the type of space science that you need to get that kind of green technology thing, >> do you appear to be wearing something like a spacesuit? are you auditioning to go up to space yourself? >> oh, yes. i'm auditioning every time to try to get an opportunity. >> and is that a spacesuit you're wearing. >> it is. it'sjust you're wearing. >> it is. it's just a replica top, which looks like a spacesuit. yes. which i use sometimes, which is quite good fun. i got the background. which. and the background is the interior of the dragon spacecraft. >> right. so we just wanted to clarify. >> you didn't have an elaborate bedroom there made out like a

rock, the inside of a rocket. it is actually green screen that you've superimposed the image onto . onto. >> that's correct. yes. i mean, this kind of thing i would do actually with an opportunity, but no, no, it is purely green screening at the moment. >> listen, andy, how dangerous is it that we're seeing now and what might happen in the next few moments for these passengers? >> yeah, this is very dangerous for missions into space. although people seem to be getting the feeling that, oh, well, private companies are doing it now. it's quite routine and easy. it isn't. it's extremely dangerous. and this is why they're going through a very slow, step by step procedure, a procedure that they're doing now, which of course, they've rehearsed in extreme detail down here on earth. this isn't like buck rogers or star trek, where people sort of do it on a whim. everything is rehearsed , everything is rehearsed, everything is trained for and practised, and they're going through this routine under control. of course, of ground controllers who are monitoring everything. so it is very dangerous. you've got to get the pressurisation right. there's always the danger of , nitrogen

always the danger of, nitrogen narcosis. so you've got to make sure that doesn't happen. so you've got to make sure everything is done correctly. make sure the suits are correct. as you can see, the suits are expanding while they're wearing them. as the pressure inside the suit is greater than that on the outside. within the cabin itself, because they have to equalise to a zero pressure outside . so it is very outside. so it is very dangerous. it's not to be taken lightly, and you must do exactly what they're told when they're told to do it. that's why you'll find that in previous missions where the governments have run them, a lot of astronauts are military people. that's simply because they're good at taking orders and doing what they're told, >> and andy, we were talking to tom about perhaps when does this become more accessible if this is successful and we all wish it well, how realistic and feasible is it for people who are not billionaires to be travelling into space, perhaps in the next decade? >>i decade? >> i think the next decade could be could be pushing it a little bit. >> but i think what we're seeing is that the technologies which

are developing is that a commercial airline , will commercial airline, will airlines will change very differently when you'll have aircraft which will fly above the atmosphere and arc around the atmosphere and arc around the earth to land, say, london, to australia in about 40 minutes. and technically you'll be flying above 50 miles or whichever limit you want to accept internationally, just over 60 miles, so you'll be technically flying into space walk through, and that will become a commonplace thing. so by definition , everybody will be by definition, everybody will be flying into space almost once they're doing these long haul flights. that's that's going to be something that will come on stream, i think, within the next 10 to 15 years. but flying into space, places like the space station, i think there's going to be a little bit further ahead than that. but it will be a commonplace activity because once you've got space stations or places on the moon which are operating with with colonies, if you like, then they're going to have to have the people to do the same jobs that are done down here on earth. so it's an

extension of earth, if you like, out there, and then it will become common for people to travel there. apart from the tourism thing. i mean, if you look at it with commercial airline flights at the beginning, you know, it was only the very wealthy that could fly in the 1930s. but by the 1960s, of course, virtually anybody could take a flight because the price had come down, because the availability was there and the technology was there. i think you made the point as well. good point was made about reusability, and that's the that's the big game changer here is reusability, because that bnngs is reusability, because that brings the cost of space flight down incredibly. >> is it time to go back to the moon ? moon? >> say again sorry. >> say again sorry. >> is it time for is it time to put another man or woman? i should say, on the moon? >> oh yes. yes it is. i mean, that's going to be happening very soon, probably before 2030. we'll see another human walk on the surface of the moon. certainly america with the artemis program are going in that direction. china are pushing for that direction at the moment as well, and china are working with russia as well on their moon base, which is going to be done in the south polar region as well. and i

think it's going to be quite important for us because everybody comments about, oh, why are we wasting all this money going there? we're a species that has to spread out . species that has to spread out. when we spread out from, africa, it appears around the rest of the world. we spread down from europe to the americas. >> oh, we lost a&e are lost in space. you know, i feel like maybe i'm the only sane person in this room, >> does this not this, not get you going? >> well, do you know what, tom? >> well, do you know what, tom? >> well, do you know what, tom? >> we spend a lot of time talking about the fact we can't get the nhs to work. here we go. let's. >> looks like it's happening. >> looks like it's happening. >> take this live. >> take this live. >> come on, tom, take us through it. >> he's opening the hatch. is he? tom? is he opening the hatch? is he it looks like he's about to open the hatch. >> this. this is the moment. >> this. this is the moment. >> and that is a very old fashioned way to open it. it's like winding up a car, isn't it? >> it's like winding down a car window, isn't it? on the radio. >> this is why it's cheaper than nasa. yeah absolutely. >> i thought they would just be a button, tom, and it would ping open, but he's literally winding down a window.

>> well, i suppose if it's a button, there's the there's the risk that something could go wrong if it's mechanical. yeah. that's that's a lot safer. right. >> it's not broken, is it? it's got stuck. >> it stopped turning the handle. now he is holding on and presumably that's we're saying he. this could be sarah gillies. of course. he looks like he's about to twist open the hatch to release that section . release that section. >> it's going to require we're heanng >> it's going to require we're hearing a strong jolt. so let's see if he's going to do it. listen, remember, this is the first walk in space commercial walk in space ever unlatched. >> now, this must be the risk. the moment of high risk. tom, you would think when the pressure change occurs, once this hatch is opened , any shift this hatch is opened, any shift is a moment of major, major risk. >> it's also worth saying they've got further away from they've got further away from the earth. over 700km from the earth . now, a remarkable distance. >> and how he's feeling . >> and how he's feeling. >> and how he's feeling. >> do we know for sure whether thatis >> do we know for sure whether that is open the hatch , that is open the hatch, >> one just like jared here is

ev1. that's that's typically the role for you is to open that hatch and st giles' extravehicular activity. it is it's very exciting. >> so it's unlatched. it isn't open yet. >> but we could be literally minutes away now tom. >> and then emerging into space or disaster . or disaster. >> let's be honest. >> let's be honest. >> yeah. let's be positive. >> yeah. let's be positive. >> well, this is jared isaacman who's holding on to the hatch. i'm trying to be positive. >> yeah 41 billionaire made a lot of money. >> obviously made a lot of money, accompanied by a 30 year old engineer, sarah. sarah gillis, who is the technical wizard in here. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> so they're going to be tethered. they call it an umbilical cord. it's12ft long. it will provide air and cooling into the suits from the cord dragon space. >> so that will stop them floating off into space. >> tom. >> tom. >> it will it will physically tether them to the spacecraft. but it's worth noting these suits are new. these suits have

never been used on a spacewalk before. these are a spacex design. we're used to the big puffy suits from nasa. these are a lot more slimline , and in that a lot more slimline, and in that there is innovation, but also risk as any innovation carries. >> so the depressurisation effectively begins once this capsule is or once once the hatch is opened, the airlock. >> there we go . >> there we go. >> there we go. >> now it's happening. he's bringing the hatch. is opening. he's pulling it towards him . he's pulling it towards him. >> so this will empty the cabin of air. >> this must be pretty exciting for jared, because that the umbilical cord basically looks a bit like if you're listening at home or you're listening on the radio, it's a bit like a tumble dryer pipe. >> you know, back of your tumble dryer. it looks a bit like that. >> what is going through his mind? i mean, this is extraordinary because all of the air inside there will be rushing out into the vacuum of space. >> yeah, they will only be

living now because they're wearing their spacesuits. in a sense, that is a bit of a spacewalk because they've they've just flooded the cabin or the opposite of flooded, flooded the cabin. if you see what i mean, and they've opened that top hatch a very, very tiny way to allow that air to escape . remarkable. >> looking out that tiny window there in the forward hatch, knowing he is going to have a much bigger window in just minutes . minutes. >> it will be fascinating to see, and i'm sure the mission control will be able to see his heart rate at this point. >> oh yeah. racing >> oh yeah. racing >> racing, you were saying? possibly not. i imagine they do know a huge amount of training to stay incredibly calm out here. >> now we can actually see the hatch coming down. >> everyone returned to seat . i >> everyone returned to seat. i wonder where he's going to put it . it. >> maybe one copy. will it float ? >> maybe one copy. will it float? >> maybe one copy. will it float? >> yeah, well, they're in there in space. they are in space. they are in zero gravity. you can see they're sort of strapped

into their seats . the dragon into their seats. the dragon capsule actually takes, i think, 6 to 8 seats, but it will have been modified for this mission. >> we're actually watching that hatch. we're going to have you repeat the last operation . it repeat the last operation. it sounds like they're going to have him repeat him. >> one of the reasons we're doing that is just to kind of vent any of that residual atmosphere. >> so they're being incredibly careful here about opening the hatch a very little way, because if they open it in a big swinging motion, all of the air gets sucked out and perhaps they gets sucked out and perhaps they get sucked out , too. that's a get sucked out, too. that's a big moment of risk. so this is a very, very crucial moment to take very, very slowly and actually, tom, i mean, this is this is i like i said, i'm incredibly out of my depth here on this. >> so we just sort of occur to me that the capsule is spinning all the time. >> this capsule is spinning around the globe at 27,000km/h. >> yeah , well, that's how orbit >> yeah, well, that's how orbit works. if you think about it . works. if you think about it. you could orbit the earth at

just a foot. if there was nothing on the earth, you could orbit at just just a foot above the earth if you were travelling at the right speed. so the further you are away, you're just you're basically just falling. so the international space station , if you if you're space station, if you if you're looking at the picture of the earth on the screen, it would only be a tiny way above the earth scale. but it's moving so very quickly that it's actually falling faster than the speed at which the earth moves. and that's how it orbits. and if it's travelling at 27,000km an houn it's travelling at 27,000km an hour, that is 16,777 miles an houn >> extraordinary, extraordinary. >> extraordinary, extraordinary. >> but you've got no point of reference, so you don't feel like you're moving very quickly and actually, if you think about it, the earth is moving through space very, very quickly. we're orbiting the sun at about 16,000 miles an hour right there, clapping in control, ground control. >> so the hatch must have now is now opening. they're cheering and clapping. this is years of work, tom. it's all coming. >> what a remarkable sight. the hatch is fully open and it's

swung down. >> there is our first view of the forward hatch , wide open to . space. >> wow. so they are now staring directly into space. hatch is open. directly into space. hatch is open . space is literally now in open. space is literally now in their capsule. >> and it is remarkable given that they are 740km from earth, 38 minutes into it we are seeing live footage open on dragon. we're now looking out into space, looking out through the helmet cam. this is this is remarkable . we didn't get any remarkable. we didn't get any sort of live pictures like this throughout the apollo program. of course we didn't. >> we didn't have hearing again. lviv helmet. is this the walk now underway ? now underway? >> spacex copies were with you and your helmet cam. >> it's like we're walking out with him. >> this is. yeah. you're on the radio. >> if you're listening on the radio, they are literally now

jared now disappearing out the hatch. >> hatch into space resilience. >> hatch into space resilience. >> how extraordinary . >> how extraordinary. >> how extraordinary. >> and it must be said the suit is holding up well. >> that's a relief. >> that's a relief. >> oh my god . >> oh my god. >> oh my god. >> i'm at the bottom of the mobility aid. >> in many ways, the hard bit has been done right. he is. he is facing the elements of space. >> i'm not sure the hard bit's been done yet. >> tom. i can't lie. i'm on the edge of my seat now. here they are now, delirious in ground control because you can hear them clapping and cheering. >> they are now out. what a view. >> what are they looking at? >> what are they looking at? >> what a view! that is the earth. that is the pale blue dot. >> you thought it was the moon. you thought it was the moon . you you thought it was the moon. you asked the question. >> i was just saying because people are listening on the radio. so we now see. so that is like you see in a tv program film. that's what he can see.

thatis film. that's what he can see. that is amazing. >> i mean, it's so, so remarkable that so he's looking back out of the capsule down to earth now okay. >> he's taking that shot. >> he's taking that shot. >> that'll be one of the ones fixed. fixed to the to the to the capsule, the fixed camera. >> but but no one has been this far from earth since apollo 17in 1972. >> this man is the first person since the last three apollo astronauts over 50 years ago to have had this view of earth . have had this view of earth. >> well, that's good. >> well, that's good. >> so that. so what did he switching? so he's out . switching? so he's out. >> operations are fine. static and with dynamic disturbance . and with dynamic disturbance. >> elon musk must be on the champagne. >> tom. oh, i would reckon so. >>— >> tom. oh, i would reckon so. >> they're not back down safely yet. >> yeah that's true. that will be that will be some time before. but but the fact that this new suit that doesn't look like a michelin man that actually looks much more human.

i mean, you can see the innovation that has gone into this, into this mission, and it is working . is working. >> all of that safety of this man relies on the fabric , the man relies on the fabric, the technology that is encasing him now, right now and thinking about it, he's in this little capsule. >> it's not tied to anything. it's floating there. well, it's travelling at quite a considerable speed there, above the earth operations dynamic and not a penny of taxpayers money. >> nathan, what is that busy doing now, jeff? we haven't seen her yet. 48% rh i think she's going to walk to tom. >> or is it just does just the billionaire get to walk in 7 ce. space? >> we'll have to wait and see. but this is the big moment, right. because there's a level of safety holding on to the capsule. yeah it's when he lets go of the capsule. yeah that that will just feel . so i can't that will just feel. so i can't imagine what's going through his head.i imagine what's going through his head. i mean , the training that head. i mean, the training that will have gone into this will have been intense , but nothing

have been intense, but nothing can surely prepare you for letting go of the vehicle that is your only ride home. >> we can see more of him now. it's like he's clambering off. >> have you ever stood at the top of a diving board, above a swimming pool and sort of thought , do i swimming pool and sort of thought, do i jump? i know, do i jump? >> yeah. or dive even? >> yeah. or dive even? >> yes. >> yes. >> even more terrifying . what >> even more terrifying. what you see is the eyes of the world literally are on this . man. literally are on this. man. >> and what's also amazing, if you, if you think about it, is the fact that these images are being beamed down live to us. that's one of the most remarkable things, isn't it? not the fact that this is happening, but the fact that we are watching it. yeah. >> it's like we're there live . >> it's like we're there live. and as we as we say, you know, previous space missions, you'd have to wait weeks for the film to be delivered, some of the best shots that we know of the

launches of and just, of course , launches of and just, of course, if we talk about the connection, it seems that there's been a connection problem. but of course, they are travelling at such a speed. the footage will come in and out as this goes, so i expect that it will reconnect any moment now that the capsule is travelling at the speed of 17,000 miles an hour, unfathomable speed . unfathomable speed. >> we're back on. what if he's a is he aware of that speed though ? is he aware of that speed though? >> you wouldn't feel it. you wouldn't feel it because it's relative. yeah, exactly. >> so you wouldn't feel there's no resistance. >> no awareness. so he wouldn't be aware of. >> there would be nothing to suggest your speed until you saw something whizz past you. and if it was stationary, it would feel like it was whizzing past you and you were stationary. yeah, we're getting into we're getting into einstein's theory of relativity here. but, but here we go. we've got the pictures back. >> you're going to devote your entire program to this, aren't you? >>i you? >> i do, well, i think. does anybody know? i think by the time by the time we get to our program, it seems like we

probably will have him up in space. oh, yeah, we will. we will have that space. looks like he's there now. >> well, like i say, i'm much more concerned about them getting down safely than i am them getting out into the atmosphere as it is now. >> this this to some extent has got to be the easy part for seven minutes. >> the important bit is to get them down. well, yeah. >> i mean, if you think about some of the disasters that there have been in space. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> if you think about the, the challenger disaster, the space shuttle didn't get into space, did it? that one didn't get into space. the other space shuttle. yeah. where there was or was it. no, i think it was challenger that broke up on re—entry. but there were two. there were two space shuttles that that ended in disaster. one on the way up and one on the way down. >> yeah, one was when reagan was president. >> i remember with the teacher on board. >> the teacher. yeah. that's right. >> female teacher. yeah >> female teacher. yeah >> he now looks like he's walking. >> demonstration is still holding on. still holding on to that capsule, though. >> yeah. in terms of but you can

see the umbilical cord just to the right of him . the right of him. >> space garbage. >> space garbage. >> now this would be a proper spacewalk as soon as he lets go and is floating and is held only by that umbilical to the reach demonstration. >> we'll take a look at that with the live video. >> i wonder how the conditions can be replicated to test the resistance of the suit down on earth. you know, you wonder how realistic the conditions can be recreated in order to test the limits . limits. >> ipsis they must have been made because they've got it right, tom. >> so far do they do? and i wonder if actually some of the testing might well have occurred on the international space station. yeah. which of course, spacex astronauts have been to many times now. and spacex is one of the main providers of, of resources. but also now with the crew dragon capsule of getting astronauts up. there was a time once the space shuttle was decommissioned and retired when americans had no launch capacity

to get people up to the to the space station , the space station space station, the space station mainly paid for by america. but they had to rely on russian rockets to get people up there. the soyuz rockets they had to rely on on soyuz for about about a decade, until elon musk came along with his crew dragon spacecraft. that was the first time that american, an american company, could get people back onto a mainly american station. >> elon musk is a malign influence on the world with some of the stuff he does and says, but this is extraordinary, tom, isn't it? >> yeah, it's , it is >> yeah, it's, it is extraordinary. and i think we do often look at elon musk for his ramblings on twitter and some of the, some of the fruity things he says. but frankly, there's a lot of good in the world he does as well. and i think sometimes. well, if he only stuck to spacex, perhaps he'd be a more universally liked character. but but of course, he can't help himself sometimes. no, he can't return to nosecone. >> well, i think we're handing over now to emily, who is as not quite as fascinated by space

travellers . travellers. >> her sparring partner turns to shines. >> yes, indeed. >> yes, indeed. >> indeed, >> indeed, >> but yeah. >> but yeah. >> did you hear that? absolutely. great. >> again, you have to allow your co—host to shine. >> oh, i don't know. >> oh, i don't know. >> i need to be reined in. i think i do that, i do that. >> well, it's been great, but we're going to leave you in the capable hands. and while we're lost in space or travelling in space with tom and emily. >> extraordinary >> extraordinary moment. >> extraordinary moment. >> what a moment. what images, what live images. >> what a moment. what images, what live images . well, it is what live images. well, it is now 12:00. it is midday. this is good afternoon. britain with continued coverage of the first private spacewalk in our history. we are watching now the polaris dawn mission sent up by a falcon nine rocket this week to the furthest distance from earth that any human has been

since 1972. >> and, tom, can you give