>>a >> a very good afternoon to you 3:00 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show. >> we're on gb news. >> we're on gb news. >> we're on gb news. >> we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster and all across the uk. on today's show , across the uk. on today's show, after a report into the nhs today, sir keir starmer claimed the nhs must reform or die. >> so the topic of our big debate today is simply this is it time to do the unthinkable and privatise the nhs. we'll speak to health carers on both sides of the fence and in a tough new clampdown on second jobs, the labour party is threatening to kick mps like nigel farage and lee anderson off of gb news. is this fair or is it a clampdown on political free speech? i'll be joined in the studio exclusively by lee anderson shortly for a big debate with somebody who disagrees with him completely. and next up, labour's new renters reform bill could push up rents by 10%, according to a shock new report from the national landlords association.

might giving more power to tenants spectacularly backfire? and today, a gb news exclusive report has identified a map of shame of how mps voted to kill the winter fuel allowance versus their thin margins today will exclusively reveal which mps in britain are the most at risk of losing their seats to old age protesters and have our royal navy simply gone way too woke. that's all coming up in your next hour . was the show always next hour. was the show always a pleasure to have your company? so the winter fuel allowance is something. as you all know, we've been pushing hard on on the show ever since that vote came out. 348 votes against to kill the bill, all of them. the labour party. today we've produced an exclusive map showing who voted , how and where showing who voted, how and where and what are the size of their

margins. could this bill backfire on those labour mps with thin margins? 15 votes decided some of those seats versus thousands and thousands in those very same seats that lost their winter fuel allowance. you will not want to miss it. plus, over there, lee anderson has just hoved into view. he's in fighting form there, trying to think about getting him off on gb news. and also nigel farage. is that fair? get ready for a big ding dong on that. but first it's time for your headlines. and here's sam francis . francis. >> martin, thank you and good afternoon to you. it's just afternoon to you. it's just after 3:00. and the top story today. sir keir starmer has said the nhs is broken but not beaten. delivering a stark message after a report into the health service . lord darzi's health service. lord darzi's rapid review highlights rising demand , low productivity and demand, low productivity and poor morale. just some of the

major challenges facing the health service. it's after figures out this morning showed ballooning waiting times and delays in a&e and in cancer care. well, speaking earlier, the prime minister warned there'd be no more money without reform and said big shifts are needed to secure the nhs's future. >> only fundamental reform and a plan for the long term can turn around the nhs and build a healthy society. that won't be easy, it won't be quick, it will take a ten year plan, not just the work of one parliament, but i know we can do it . i know we can do it. >> however, the conservatives say it's time for the labour party to turn rhetoric into action, and earlier shadow health secretary victoria atkins told us she's concerned by the government's slow steps to tackling the health care crisis. >> i'm concerned because the first action of this government was to allow a budget busting pay was to allow a budget busting pay rise for junior doctors with no productivity forms attached,

and they are also, i hear, going to cancel the productivity plan that i was bringing forward for technology . and if that is what technology. and if that is what they're doing, then that is of concern because i fear we're in for an even rougher ride . for an even rougher ride. >> the uk's police and crime minister has had her belongings stolen from a hotel where she was giving a speech to members of the police superintendents association. in that conference speech, dame diana johnson said the labour government had inherited an epidemic of anti—social behaviour of theft and shoplifting from the conservative government. warwickshire police are now investigating that incident and the home office has confirmed that no security risks were identified. martyn's law, named after 29 year old martyn hett, who was one of the 22 people killed in the manchester arena bombing, has been introduced to parliament today. the new legislation aims to strengthen pubuc legislation aims to strengthen public protection against terrorism and under the law, venues could be fined up to £18

million if they fail to adopt actions like training their staff or improving security protocols. the law will fulfil the prime minister's promise to martin's mother, figen murray, to bring in that law after her tireless campaigning . a royal tireless campaigning. a royal navy warship has seized £160 million worth of cocaine in the canbbean million worth of cocaine in the caribbean , intercepting caribbean, intercepting a so—called narco sub in a joint operation with the united states. hms trent , sailing states. hms trent, sailing around 200 miles south of the dominican republic, seized 2000 kilos of the drug, marking the ship's eighth drug bust in seven months. commander tim langford praised his crew for their efforts, battling what he called difficult conditions to make that historic haul. the national crime agency has seized hundreds of dangerous life jackets that were destined for criminal gangs smuggling migrants across the channel. the nca, working with dutch and italian authorities, intercepted the faulty jackets intercepted the faulty jackets in the netherlands. the inflatable life jackets wouldn't

have worked in the deep water, they say, and were intended for small boat crossings and included some children's sizes. a 23 year old lorry driver has been arrested as part of that investigation . in a sign that investigation. in a sign that major changes could be ahead for the uk's workforce, health and care worker visa applications have plunged by 83% from april to august. of this year. new figures from the home office reveal dependent visa applications also dropped by 73%. meanwhile, student visas saw a 17% drop. but dependent students who took a sharper hit with 83% decline in contrast, though, applications for skilled worker visas rose by 18% over the same period . data centres the same period. data centres will be classified as critical national infrastructure to protect against cyber attacks and possible it blackouts, the government has announced today. the facilities store vital data from nhs records to smartphone photos and financial

information. their new status puts data centres now on par with water, energy and with emergency services , making sure emergency services, making sure there's greater government support to fend off possible cyber threats or outages. and the move coincides with the proposed multi—billion pound investment in hertfordshire to build europe's largest data centre , creating over 700 local centre, creating over 700 local jobs. centre, creating over 700 local jobs . and finally taking space jobs. and finally taking space exploration to new heights. two civilians have completed the first ever commercial space walk today. first ever commercial space walk today . billionaire jared today. billionaire jared isaacman and crewmate sarah gillies floated out from their spacex dragon capsule. some 400 miles above earth, using experimental spacesuits. well, without the usual safety of an airlock, the daring duo tested life support systems in the vacuum of space, and that privately funded mission made them the first to take a cosmic stroll without being professional astronauts. now, though, the hatch is closed and the pair are safely back inside . the pair are safely back inside. those are the latest gb news

headunes those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'll be back with you for another update. in around half an hour. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> once the show got loads to get into, let's get cracking now. the prime minister, sir keir starmer, has said that the nhs must reform or die. a shocking report by former labour health minister lord darzi has described the state of the nhs as dire and in critical condition. and the report finds that failings in care has led to the deaths of thousands of patients every year. >> big picture finding is that the nhs is in a serious, critical condition, but the vital signs are normal, which will suggest that we can do something about this to do it well, we need to engage the whole staff, patients, the

public, the political leadership all aligned to make that change happen as quickly as we can because we can't wait. >> sir keir starmer made a speech earlier on the biggest reimagining of the nhs , whatever reimagining of the nhs, whatever that means, later on in the morning, where he will say that funding will be moved away from unproductive hospitals. well, gb news, political correspondent olivia utley joins us now. olivia utley joins us now. olivia welcome to the show. so the nhs is in dire need of reform and we simply cannot keep on throwing money at it. so keir starmer, sounding exactly like a conservative prime minister, should have sounded . should have sounded. >> well , absolutely. and it should have sounded. >> well, absolutely. and it is actually something we did hear from conservative ministers over the last 14 years. the labour government is hopeful, and i think some conservatives are hopeful as well, that labour will be in a better position to commit to this reform of the nhs because for labour, the nhs is a less politically toxic issue than for the conservatives. if

you remember, in the run up to the 2017 and 2019 general elections, jeremy corbyn was always accusing the conservatives of wanting to privatise our nhs. there was a hands off our nhs slogan. politically, it might be slightly easier for labour to get to grips with this sort of reform, but of course there is always the problem of the unions. keir starmer said today that there can be no more money without reform. now that is a really, really bold statement. it's probably a sensible statement because if you look into the figures, personnel in the nhs increased by 17% between 2012 and 2019. but the number of operations actually being done every year didn't go up at all. so there is clearly a productivity crisis within the nhs. that means that personnel issues really need to be addressed, but that will put keir starmer at odds with the unions, the bma in particular. and of course, keir starmer has just given an enormous pay rise to junior doctors . just given an enormous pay rise to junior doctors. in order to placate the bma, i asked him

that question earlier today. let's see what he had to say . let's see what he had to say. professor john let's see what he had to say. professorjohn bell said this professor john bell said this morning that doctors in the bma have been a major drag on reforming health care. do you predict that the bma will now embrace productivity reform with open arms? >> well, look, i don't. i've said we'll do this with the staff and we will. but i know from my old job running the crown prosecution service that whenever you try to reform anything, there will be some people, i'm afraid will say, oh, don't do that. it's better as it is. i wouldn't do that, keep things as they are . we have to things as they are. we have to take that attitude on in my view, it's an inhibitor of change. so whilst we say we will do it with people and we will do it together and we will, i know in my heart of hearts we will meet pockets of people who will say , don't do it, slow down, go say, don't do it, slow down, go over there, not over there . over there, not over there. leave things as they are. we have to take that on and we will take that on. that's part and

parcel of the change that we need to bring about. thank you, little . little. >> so keir starmer sounding very bullish . they're prepared to bullish. they're prepared to take on the unions brace for a fight , saying he can't be take on the unions brace for a fight, saying he can't be doing with the sort of attitude that will stop reform. but let's see what actually happens when push comes to shove. in my mind, this might be the sticking point that stops labour being able to get through these drastic reforms to the nhs. another issue for the labour party could be the short term solutions. keir starmer was talking today about some major surgery. rather than sticking plaster solutions, he talked about a grand ten year plan for the nhs . but what will happen the nhs. but what will happen this winter when inevitably there is a winter crisis in the nhs? what will he tell those patients who are waiting on hospital trolleys that in ten years time their problems will be fixed? he says that we've got to be long term rather than short termist, but with a short term calamity every year. that's easier said than done.

>> well, olivia utley sir keir starmer saying he's going to stand up to the unions, saying we simply can't keep throwing money at it forever. no more money at it forever. no more money unless there's reform. he sounds to be fair, like he's grasping the nettle. so taking on a big task and well done for getting a question there to the prime minister from gb news olivia utley superb start to the show. thank you very much. now moving on. nigel farage could be banned from hosting his gb news show with labour eyeing up a crackdown on mps making paid media appearances. now parliament's modernisation committee, which is being chaired by labour frontbencher lucy powell, today published a memorandum agreeing to look at tightening rules on second jobs as somebody who might be impacted by that, is this fella. joining me now to discuss this is reform uk mp lee anderson. and of course gb news presenter. so for a long time they've been eyeing up second jobs on parliamentarians. full stop . but parliamentarians. full stop. but in this instance do you think

this is actually something else a targeted attack to silence people like you and nigel farage? >> i think, martin, to be honest, this is more sinister. we've seen this new modernisation committee set up . modernisation committee set up. some people may say it may be like a kangaroo court. it's got i think it's got nine labour mps, three conservatives, two lib dems, funnily enough, not one single reform uk member of parliament is allowed to go on these committees. are they going to make decisions that affect all of us in parliament? and it's chaired by a cabinet member as well, which is unheard of for as well, which is unheard of for a select committee. it appears that, you know, gb news come in for a lot of flak early doors. it still does from ofcom and the left. they don't want this station to exist. they don't want reform uk to exist . you want reform uk to exist. you know, like i said, we're not on any select committees in parliament. they've tried to shut us down at every opportunity and one of the best platforms we have got, which is which is gb news where. and i think we're quite impartial to be honest on on, on our shows, especially nigel. i mean, it's

great and, you know, a decent platform like this . and what are platform like this. and what are they trying to do. they're trying to shut us down. they're trying to shut us down. they're trying to shut us down. they're trying to silence us. but this country, this great country of ours, marty will not tolerate this. we had over 4 million voters at the last election. gb news, by the way, that, you know, the viewing figures and the listening figures on the radio are going up by the week. people, people will see through this nonsense. >> a lot of people would say, though, that it's not fair, particularly for a party leader like nigel farage, to have a media platform. it could be a way of getting votes. that's what a lot of opponents would say. but do you think that's a fair thing? and also there are second jobs for many, many parliamentarians of many, many different stripes. is it going to affect everybody or are they specifically just eyeing up those with a media platform? >> martin i mean, it is our job >> martin i mean, it is ourjob as politicians to get votes and to use whatever means possible to use whatever means possible to get votes, whether that's through our social media, getting out there talking to people. but the people in this country aren't stupid. they're not daft. they make their own mind up at election time. if they want to vote for reform,

they want to vote for reform, they will do. if they want to vote for the labour party, they will do. if they want to vote tory, they will do. and all these people whingeing on the sidelines, i think they're a little bit jealous that a station like this has really took off. and it's giving the silent majority a voice. and people like myself and nigel and jacob that presents on this channel, you know, they speak to the nation, they speak to the people. there's millions of people. there's millions of people out there that feel that they're not being listened to. and the platform we've got gives them a voice. >> david lammy, labour now he's the foreign secretary. at the time he was a backbencher. he had a show on lbc. when he was elected, he stood down. do you think you should do the same? >> oh, me? yeah. no, not at all. like i say, you know, it's a choice, martin. we live in. you know, we still live in a free country. if people don't like what i've got to say, they can switch the bbc on. or they can put itv or sky on. you know, we're supposed to live in a free, democratic country where we're allowed to say, you know what we want to a certain extent. and, you know, we've got to have a balance in our news we've seen over the past, i don't know, 15, 20 years, you know, the bbc and channel 4 and

channel five, they've been in my opinion, move lurching to the left and not giving millions of people out there a voice at least with gb news, you get a balance, you get a balanced news reporting, you get balanced opinion, you get good debates and people like that. >> now you're about to go on sky news have the same debate. do you think you'll get a fair heanng you think you'll get a fair hearing from them, or do you think you get any of the kind of balance you're talking about on broadcasters like sky or the bbc anymore? >> well, there'll be thousands of people watching this right now . margin. of people watching this right now. margin. so, you of people watching this right now . margin. so, you know, this now. margin. so, you know, this is my chance to explain how i feel . and we'll nip over to sky feel. and we'll nip over to sky on the green and speak to another 25 viewers. >> lee anderson, thank you very much for joining >> lee anderson, thank you very much forjoining us in the much for joining us in the studio and good luck with that. and now for the counterpoint to this. i'm joined by the author and broadcaster rebecca reed. rebecca, welcome to the show. always a pleasure to have your company. you just heard what lee anderson had to say. this is about a democratic right to free speech. what's wrong with that? >> i'm sure lee probably does think it's about that, but it's not. nobody is stopping him from having his democratic right to have free speech. what they are considering doing is stopping

him getting a big chunky paycheque for doing additional work on the side of his proper job. now, if you're being an mp properly, it should be incredibly demanding, which is why i actually believe mps should maybe even be paid more. but if you're doing it properly, it should be taking up all of your time. you should not have enough time to be an mp and also be able to do a full, fast paced media career. if this committee were to get what we think it might want, which is for mps to not have second jobs, if lee or nigel or anybody else wants to do a bit of telly, they can do it for free. this is not it's about having second jobs. if they love this. so much, they can give up their free time and they can come and they can not draw a salary for it. nobody is stopping them from being on television. what we're saying is mps should be bound by the same strictures that almost everybody else in this country is, which is you have one job, you do that job, and you're not permitted to have loads of other jobs job, and you're not permitted to have loads of otherjobs and have loads of other jobs and moonlight elsewhere. >> but rebecca, there are a great many mps of all political stripes that have second jobs in a huge diversity of industries. in fact, a lot of them do that

because they were very successful before they became parliamentarians, and they get involved in politics almost as a second job in many senses. are you saying then, that no politician anywhere should have any form of second job at all? yeah, absolutely. >> and i would include in that writing book. so nadine dorries is a fairly successful mid range author, i'm sure she would argue that that had nothing to do with it. and in recess she wrote that in her own time. i still feel that being an mp should be one of the most important and most strenuous jobs. and therefore in yourin strenuous jobs. and therefore in your in when parliament is recessed, either more time in your constituency or community work, or recovering from the incredibly hard work that you've been doing, but not going out and making more money doing other things. i would include being a landlord. i would include doing any otherjob, including being a doctor. i don't think you can be a doctor two days a week as an mp. the rest of it and also the issue with having another job is that with having anotherjob is that it biases you. it means you have a conflict of interest. it means that you're hearing or you're heanng that you're hearing or you're hearing from one demographic of people and you have your specific sector in your ear, and

that doesn't make you a neutral mp for your constituency . mp for your constituency. >> okay, rebecca, we have to leave it there. but lee anderson was about to leave, but he heard you. he'd like to have a quick go because you've been accused of earning a fat chunk of money on the side. should surrendering. >> oh, listen, i'd like to know how much this young lady pays an income tax here. i pay a lot of money, and the income tax are paid from my gb news salary. that actually pays for one qualified nurse every single yeah qualified nurse every single year. that's my contribution from gb news. and she talks about you know, mps being not being in or being impartial or not being impartial. look, we're politicians, we're in political parties. i have a set of values which i stick to. unfortunately, some constituents will never agree with me, but lots do. my vote should . vote should. >> your job is to serve the people who elected you. you are a public servant. it shouldn't be about what you want. it should be about what the people who gave you your job. >> well, listen, let me let me come back on that, you know? you know, just a couple of years back, young lady, when we had when we had covid on the pandemic, young lady would you mind not calling me young lady? >> my name is rebecca.

>> my name is rebecca. >> is there is there a pronoun conflict? >> not a pronoun contact? i'm not particularly young. i'm in my 30s and my gender is irrelevant. if you could just call me rebecca, which is my name. i've worked on gb news. >> oh, okay, then. rebecca, we have met each other. >> okay. yeah. i think what you need to do, rebecca, is go back to bed and call for a nurse. >> hey, come on, gentlemen, let's. >> that's. no. it's ridiculous. it's ridiculous. martin, this is absolutely ridiculous. >> let's keep it civil. all right? >> that was. >> that was. >> thank you so much for that witty, witty piece of debating. what a really clever. >> let's let's knock it on the head, lee. rebecca, thank you very, very much indeed for joining us on the show. great. great start to the show. great fun. now moving on swiftly. it's time for the great british giveaway. now the biggest cash prize we've ever given away. £36,000 could be yours. and that's tax free. an extra three grand in your bank account each month for an entire year. here's the details. you need to make it yours. >> there's an incredible £36,000 to be won in the great british giveaway. >> that's like having an extra £3,000 each month to play with. and because it's totally tax free, you get to keep every

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welcome back. it's 326. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. this week marks a remember a charity week and charities across the uk have been celebrating an increase in donations through people leaving a gift in their will, something that has become known as philanthropy . i that has become known as philanthropy. i like that has become known as philanthropy . i like it that has become known as philanthropy. i like it and that has become known as philanthropy . i like it and with philanthropy. i like it and with the cost of living rising more people than ever have become reliant on charity donations. and joining us now to discuss this is the tv personality and the strictly star and the all round legend, debbie mcgee. debbie, an absolute delight to have you on the show. always a total pleasure. so you're joining us on this historic day as the first spacewalk by on non—professional astronauts is imminent . so non—professional astronauts is imminent. so we may have to cut away from you. but tell us about this magnificent act of philanthropy that i'll be watching avidly . tell us about watching avidly. tell us about what you're involved in.

philanthropy >> well, it's philanthropy is leaving a legacy in your will to a charity. it is a new word. >> i think it's a great title, isn't it ? isn't it? >> and, so i've got involved with remember a charity week, which i thought was a great idea anyway, for us all to remember a charity and then found out about philanthropy on the back of that, really. >> and thought, actually, i hadnt >> and thought, actually, i hadn't thought about it, and i work with lots or i help a lot of charities. so i thought, yeah , of charities. so i thought, yeah, i want them to keep going . yeah, i want them to keep going. yeah, i want them to keep going. yeah, i want them to keep going. yeah, i want to, you know, just keep myself. i, you know, i want to keep the charities going. so, what a good idea . and so that's what a good idea. and so that's how i'm sort of here talking today, is that if anyone hadn't ever thought about it before, have a look on the remember a

charity website, which is remember a charity org.uk. and you know , it's quite easy to do you know, it's quite easy to do to change your will or make your will. and it might be you're not giving any money while you're alive because you might need it. and most people do these days, but you might leave a little something or a big something, and it will be a legacy. after you've gone, and especially if you've gone, and especially if you've gone, and especially if you've gone through things like , you've gone through things like, you've gone through things like, you know, i've gone through and most of us have something where a charity has helped or the research has helped, it's so important to, you know, make sure they're still going long after we've gone, so that was the whole reason, really. >> it's a superb initiative and well done. lots of people, of course, leave their money to like battersea cats and dogs. i might give them a few quid myself because i've got a lovely cat from them. great. now, can we talk about strictly? because of course strictly starts tomorrow. it's been a bit of controversy around this year's show. what are your thoughts on that? you've been defending

giovanni. what's your thoughts on all of this? this year's show and the build up to it? >> oh, i think it will be as wonderful as it's always been. you know, it's an uplifting show, isn't it? it's got the glamour , everything. there's glamour, everything. there's nothing to make you sad in it. and, you know, i had the most amazing time. and giovanni was my partner . amazing time. and giovanni was my partner. and it's still, you know, a life changing experience. and at that time, in my life as well, it was a year after paul, my late husband, had died. you know, it was a tough, tough time. and it just totally brought me out of all my grief. and everyone on the programme was just so lovely. it's like a big family and my experience of giovanni, i know other people have said they've had a different experience , but mine different experience, but mine was. he really looked after me in my grief and, we had a great time. yeah, there he is . so time. yeah, there he is. so great memories. >> i remember debbie at the time you spoke so movingly about how

dance was like therapy for you. it helped to bring your your shazam back. it got you back on track. but could i ask you at all about the investigation that's being carried out in giovanni? do you think that can be properly conducted? and have you been approached to give any evidence in that? >> i think, it will. i'm sure that you know, they will do it very thoroughly. and the fact that it's taking quite a long time, you know , is that they're time, you know, is that they're really going into it to make sure they make the right decision at the end of it. and i think lots of people will be ianed think lots of people will be invited to give their experience of strictly, so i just hope at the end of the day, you know, i don't want anyone to be bullied. you know, i'm really against all of that, but we are all different so people can react differently to different circumstances, or you just don't have a chemistry with somebody that somebody else might have a

chemistry. so, you know, i don't know what went on, but i'm sure that they will go into it and they are in a lot of depth before making any decisions. >> and you spoke very warmly. there of giovanni as your partner. but can i just ask you again, have you been approached to give any evidence in this investigation? i don't know if i'm allowed to say or not, but yes, i have. >> so i, you know , it's all very >> so i, you know, it's all very secret, and i'm sure everybody else who's ever danced with him and people that have worked alongside him will have been asked to give evidence , too. so, asked to give evidence, too. so, you know, i just hope it all turns out well for all parties. >> okay. thank you very much for joining us. and thank you so much for that wonderful initiative of philanthropy. we learned a new lovely word today. debbie mcgee. absolute pleasure. thank you very much. there's lots more still to come between now and 4:00, including more on labour's plans to bring in new rent reforms. could they actually push up the costs of rent by as much as 10%, but

first, here's your headlines and it's sam francis . it's sam francis. >> martin, thank you and good afternoon to you. it's just afternoon to you. it's just after 3:30. the top stories from the newsroom this afternoon. sir keir starmer says the nhs is broken but not beaten, delivering a stark message after a report into the health service, lord darzi's rapid review highlighted rising demand, low productivity and poor morale. just some of the major challenges facing the nhs. its after figures came out this morning showing ballooning waiting times and delays in a&e and in cancer care. speaking earlier, the prime minister warned there'll be no more money without reform and said that big shifts are needed to secure the health service's future. >> only fundamental reform and a plan for the long term can turn around the nhs and build a healthy society. it won't be easy, it won't be quick. it will

take a ten year plan, not just the work of one parliament, but i know we can do it . i know we can do it. >> the uk's police and crime ministers had her belongings stolen from a hotel, where she was giving a speech to members of the police superintendents association. in that conference speech, dame diana johnson said the labour government had inherited an epidemic of anti—social behaviour of theft and shoplifting from the conservative government. warwickshire police are now investigating the theft and the home office have confirmed that no security risks were identified . a 17 year old boy identified. a 17 year old boy has been arrested as part of an investigation into a cyber attack on transport for london. the national crime agency says the teenager was detained on suspicion of offences under the computer misuse act. it comes as tfl said some customer names and contact details had been compromised in that breach, which started on the 1st of september. some oyster card data may also have been accessed,

which could include bank account details . the national crime details. the national crime agency has also seized hundreds of dangerous life jackets destined for criminal gangs, smuggling migrants across the channel. the nca says the jackets, which wouldn't have worked in deep water, were intended for small boat crossings and included children's sizes. a 23 year old lorry driver has been arrested as investigations continue . the as investigations continue. the wife of disgraced tv star rolf harris has died at the age of 93, a year after her husband's death. alwyn hughes, who had been suffering from alzheimer's, stood by rolf harris throughout his jail term for child sex offences. the couple were married for 65 years and despite her husband's scandal, she attended every day of his trial . attended every day of his trial. in 2014, and billionaire jared isaacman and his crewmate sarah gillies have completed the first ever commercial spacewalk. today the pair floated out from their spacex dragon capsule 400 miles

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welcome back. it's 339 on martin daubney on gb news now. 53 labour mps have recently abstained in the recent commons vote, with the party winning the vote, with the party winning the vote to cut winter fuel allowance for pensioners. now huge numbers of pensioners will be impacted in labour constituencies and joining me now to discuss this is lee evans, the chairman of fax for

eu. lee welcome to the show. so we carried the vote live on this show a couple of days ago, 348 votes to kill the winter fuel allowance. all of them were from the labour party. i got in touch with you because we decided to try and make a map of this , and try and make a map of this, and that's what we can show our viewers today. talk us through it, please. superb piece of work. lee evans . work. lee evans. >> yeah, we were all a little bit taken aback, just as you were by this dramatic decision, which affects some 10 million odd pensioners around our country . country. >> and, like you , we look at the >> and, like you, we look at the entire country and so we thought, what better way of doing this? in discussion with you than a gb news map, which we're working with you to develop. so if you want to put that up, we'll show you how the country, how the country's mps voted. and that's the key thing, because if there's going to be a pushback on this from

pensioners, then there are a lot of mps that are going to be seriously worried. so what you can see there is, is a map showing in red what we're calling, the kill sector , which calling, the kill sector, which is those mps that voted to kill the winter fuel allowance and in green, those that voted to keep it. so you can see how that that works across the country, but what's interesting , martin, if what's interesting, martin, if i may, is like gb news, we like to look at the entire country. we're not london centric. so i'm going to start, if i may, with just a little tour taking you from top of the country to the bottom with some pretty stark figures that should be worrying for the labour party. if pensioners decide that they're going to place their votes elsewhere next time on such a key issue, and what i'd like to do if i may, is, is start up in scotland. yeah there's, there's a new mp up there called chris kane that most people won't, won't have heard of, but he's mp

for stirling and strath alan, and he's got a majority of less than 1400 votes. he ousted one of the snp's mps and it was, of course, an snp stronghold. and now you're probably be aware stirling isn't actually that warm during the autumn and winter. and i can tell you that snow from one of our readers that snow has already fallen up there, now chris kane is quite, a quite a big gentleman. he's not quite the eric pickles , but not quite the eric pickles, but he's getting there. so he's got lots of insulation. so no doubt he'll ride it out. we're not so sure about what his constituents may think about losing their their winter fuel allowance. okay. that takes us from from scotland. do you want me to go down to the bottom of the country, martin? >> yeah. what? i'm specifically interested in, lee is looking at. i know we've done some work in some of the smallest majorities in the country, so some of the smallest majorities, we've got our next picture. now let's look at ashfield. of

course, we had lee anderson in just a moment ago. and you can see there lee, that lee anderson there was the only person in nottinghamshire, with the exception of robert jenrick to the right, the long constituency there, that's newark, that's a sea of labour mps who voted to kill the bill. but some of the stuff that's more interestingly, is looking at some of the tiniest majorities across the uk. could we talk about, for example , the smallest majority example, the smallest majority of all of the constituencies that voted to kill this bill is hendon, hendon has a mere majority of 15 votes. i understand, versus almost 12,000 constituents who lost their winter fuel allowance, an astonishing disparity indeed. >> and mr david pinto—duschinsky , >> and mr david pinto—duschinsky, ihopei >> and mr david pinto—duschinsky, i hope i pronounce that correctly, is the new mp there? but as you say, with just a handful of votes and it it's only going to take a handful of very disgruntled pensioners,

isn't it , to overturn that at isn't it, to overturn that at the next election , regardless of the next election, regardless of any other factors that may be in play any other factors that may be in play then? so, you know, politics is about many different subjects as we all know. and people make their decisions on on, on, on different topics. but there's an awful lot of pensioners out there. as you pointed out, martin, it's only going to take a very few in the constituency of hendon in north london, to see david pinto do shinx , well , london, to see david pinto do shinx , well, him falling from shinx, well, him falling from power to the point where i don't have to learn how to pronounce his name anymore. >> yeah . and let's just go >> yeah. and let's just go through the top five. so the 1515 votes in hendon is the majority versus 11,711 pensioners who lost their winter fuel allowance . in second place fuel allowance. in second place is pool 18 votes is the majority . is pool 18 votes is the majority. almost 19,000 voters there. lee evans lost there winter fuel allowance. north west cambridgeshire 39 majority,

almost 17,000 voters lost their majority . peterborough 118 majority. peterborough 118 14,372 people lost their winter fuel allowance . chelsea and fuel allowance. chelsea and fulham votes. majority 152 10,200 people lost their majority. so what we're looking at there, lee evans, are an awful lot of labour seats who voted as a body. they followed the party whip, but their majorities are very, very slim. and so lee evans, what you're saying is if there was an for organised example, oap old age protest vote in these constituencies, it would be certainly enough to tip the balance of power. >> it's impossible to read it any other way. and it's interesting , martin, that when interesting, martin, that when you look through the majorities that labour secured , a lot of that labour secured, a lot of seats are very , very tight seats are very, very tight indeed. and it's almost as if they fell to the media hype that they'd won a landslide, akin to

tony blair's landslide some, some time ago. no, they didn't at all. in fact, they got less votes than, than did jeremy corbyn when he lost in the last election. and actually, when you look at some of these people , look at some of these people, there are some big names in there. people like wes streeting, we've got three cabinet ministers who are on majorities of under 2000 and what that means for the people out there is it only takes about a thousand people or less to decide to switch their vote to another party. and instantly you've lost three cabinet ministers and that those are wes streeting jess phillips and naz shah. streeting jess phillips and naz shah . and of course, wes shah. and of course, wes streeting being the health minister, which, well, we have an irony all of its own, wouldn't it? >> lee evans, we have to leave it there. fascinating data. and we're going to be covering this story throughout the rest of the show as well. always a pleasure. thank you. i know you've worked really, really hard on getting that together for me today. lee evans, the chair there of facts for eu. now coming up, we'll be

heanng for eu. now coming up, we'll be hearing about navy boss's plans to rename war training exercises for royal marines, as the old ones were too sexual and aggressive. you couldn't make it up. i martin daubney on gb

welcome back. it's 10 to 4. i'm martin daubney on gb news. i've got some breaking news to bring you in the last couple of minutes, and harvey weinstein has been charged with some additional crimes . harvey weinstein has crimes. harvey weinstein has been charged with some additional crimes. we'll have more on those details as it emerges soon. now moving on. navy bosses have renamed war training exercises for royal marines, as the old ones were too sexual and aggressive. as britain's royal navy gone . britain's royal navy gone. absolutely woke. well, joining me now to discuss this is major general chip chapman. always an absolute pleasure to have you on the show. seriously, chip, have we not got bigger fish to fry than worrying about the names of

some of these exercises? can you tell you what? tell us, please, what some of the names were. what? they're being changed to, and why this nonsense is occurring ? occurring? >> well, two in particular were final thrust and violent entry, which do sound like bad 1970s film titles. >> and i think that really is the context behind some of this , the context behind some of this, because at least two of the reports that are out there in the last five years, the wigston and atherton report, are all about the fact that we keep abusing women in the army and the armed forces generally with sexual harassment, a constant feature of the continuous attitude surveys . so the real attitude surveys. so the real question is, you know, this is trivia in in one sense, changing the names. i would be more triggered if the standards to make a commando had been changed, i.e. has the output changed? and secondly, what is the loss of capability in training? so the person who's really been triggered by this is the ex—royal marine instructor

who seemed to go to the sun with what is essentially a non—issue. and if you want to be an inclusive force, then things which can look like sexual innuendo should probably be changed. >> so you agree then that things like violent entry, which has been changed as you said, to green salamander, which still actually sounds a little bit frisky. green salamander, if you have a certain carry on mindset and final thrust, i totally agree. sounds like it might be a terrible rock band from the 80s. been to changed commando forge, but really, does it matter what things are called? i mean, surely the whole point is that it's producing top quality candidates, top quality, members of the armed force, and it's an ultra tough course. it's very, very hard to get through. who cares what it's called? >> yeah. that's right. i mean, you focus on the output, not on anything else. unfortunately, there are still neanderthal throwbacks in the army and the commandos who want to turn both

into organisations which are just full of testosterone filled males and whites only. we saw this last month when the army had to apologise for racist and sexist abuse to corporal karen knight, and the real thing about all this is that we're paying out too much for money people who take us to an employment tribunals. when these sorts of cases occur, you know, we want to be an inclusive organisation with high values and standards when we don't have to shell out money, which can go on bombs, bullets and beans rather than employment tribunal cases, that's the real harm that it does to the armed forces. >> chip chapman, thank you for joining us. always a pleasure to have you on the show. have a very good one. cheers now's a new way for you to get in touch with me, send your views and post your comments by going to gbnews.com/yoursay. plenty more to come, including that astonishing report we just put out the map of shame for the winter fuel allowance. we've just revealed in this last hour that it contains three labour cabinet ministers at risk of

losing their seats if an organised pensioner vote backlash over the winter fuel allowance takes them on, could axing the winter fuel allowance come back to haunt the labour party? we'll also discuss more on the shocking reports by former labour health minister lord darzi , in which he lord darzi, in which he describes the state of the nhs as dire and critical in its condition. coming up, we'll be having a debate with the pro and the anti. is it time to privatise the nhs? that's next. i'm martin daubney on gb news but now it's time for your weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello, good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. still a cold feel for the next day or so, but it will turn warmer into the weekend and it will also become much drier across western areas as high pressure is building in

for the end of the week from the west. we've still got this northerly wind though, bringing in arctic air for many areas through this evening, as well as a few showers inland at first. but overnight they will become more and more restricted to just the east coast, as well as just the east coast, as well as just the far north coast of parts of wales. to some of these showers across the east could still be heavy into this evening and bnng heavy into this evening and bring a risk of hail, but for many of us it is going to be a clear, dry and cold night tonight. rurally we could be down as low as —1 or 2 quite widely , and where we have seen widely, and where we have seen some snow across the high ground in scotland, we could be down lower than that first thing. but there will be plenty of sunshine in the morning. so despite the chilly start, the sunshine should still warm. things up quite quickly and the winds will be much lighter through tomorrow morning. so quite a pleasant start to the day . across the start to the day. across the northwest though, parts of western scotland, northern ireland, we will start to see some cloud bubbling up through the morning and a risk of a few showers that is ahead of a weather front that is going to be spreading in from the north—west through friday

afternoon. you can see it here. so rain approaching parts of northern ireland later on in the day, and the sunshine will turn much hazier across parts of scotland. elsewhere, though, plenty of long lived sunshine and with lighter winds, it will feel much warmer tomorrow compared to today. temperatures will still be a little below average in the mid teens for most areas. highs of 17 degrees at a max in the far south—east, but it's certainly warmer than it has been lately. now the rain across the northwest continues its journey into parts of scotland through friday evening. that'll become a bigger feature as we head into saturday, so rainfall totals could start to build up across far north western areas , whereas dry western areas, whereas dry weather will hold on across the south as we look ahead to the start of next week. further wet weather in the north, but more dry and warm weather in the south. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb

>>a >> a very very good afternoon to you. it's 4:00 pm and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster and all across the uk. on today's show, after a report into the nhs today, sir keir starmer claimed the nhs must reform or die. so the big topic of our debate right soon after this is it time to do the unthinkable and privatise the nhs? we'll speak to health practitioners on both sides of that debate. and next up, prince harry is set to head off on a houday harry is set to head off on a holiday with his closest mates to celebrate his 40th birthday. when meghan stays at home, it's understood. wonder how that went down with the missus . and today, down with the missus. and today, a gb news exclusive report has identified a map of shame of how mps who voted to kill the winter fuel allowance could be at risk of losing their seats, and that includes three labour cabinet ministers will have exclusive

details coming up soon. and . details coming up soon. and. we've got a superb hour ahead. that astonishing report from gb news shows . precisely there are news shows. precisely there are a raft of labour party mps at peril of losing their seats. if there is an old age protest and obe around the winter fuel allowance. some constituencies across the uk have majorities as small as 15 votes, 15 votes at the last general election, but with almost 12,000 people in those same constituencies losing their winter fuel allowance, could this be the basis of a grey dawn? a fightback to try and reclaim those seats in the name of fairness? that's all coming up in your next hour, including we've got charlie peters, our national reporter, who's just been in rotherham at

a grooming gang, hearing the only reporter there. he has some astonishing testimonies to tell us soon. very, very moving. can't wait for that. now as your headunes can't wait for that. now as your headlines though, and it's sam francis . francis. >> martin, thank you very much and good evening. good afternoon. in fact, to you, it's 4:02. the top story this hour, sir keir starmer says the nhs is broken but not beaten, delivering a stark message after a report into the health service. lord darzi's rapid review highlighted rising demand, low productivity and poor morale. just some of the major challenges facing the nhs. its after figures out earlier this morning showed ballooning waiting times and delays in a&e and cancer care. speaking earlier, the prime minister warned there will be no more money without reform and said big shifts are needed to secure the nhs future. >> only fundamental reform and a plan for the long term can turn

around the nhs and build a healthy society. that won't be easy, it won't be quick. it will take a ten year plan, not just the work of one parliament, but i know we can do it . i know we can do it. >> however, the conservatives say it's time for the labour party to turn rhetoric into action, and earlier shadow health secretary victoria atkins told us she's concerned by the government's first slow steps tackling the health care crisis. >> i'm concerned because the first action of this government was to allow a budget busting pay was to allow a budget busting pay rise for junior doctors with no productivity forms attached, and they are also, i hear, going to cancel the productivity plan that i was bringing forward for technology. and if that is what they're doing, then that is of concern because i fear we're in for an even rougher ride. >> and next, just a breaking line from new york this afternoon. we're hearing that harvey weinstein has been hit with new criminal charges.

that's as the disgraced movie producer gears up for a possible retrial . his 2020 rape retrial. his 2020 rape conviction was overturned in april after a judge allowed testimony from accusers not formally involved in the case. prosecutors in manhattan are now investigating new sexual assault claims as more women continue to come forward, though the specifics have not been disclosed in court. it comes as the former hollywood mogul is currently in intensive care in hospital, recovering from emergency heart surgery. he does continue to deny all allegations . continue to deny all allegations. back here at home, the uk's police and crime minister has had her belongings stolen from hotels where she was giving a speech to members of the police superintendents association. in that conference speech, dame diana johnson said the labour government had inherited an epidemic of antisocial behaviour of theft and shoplifting from the conservative government. warwickshire police are now investigating the incident and the home office have confirmed no security risks were

identified . a 17 year old boy identified. a 17 year old boy has been arrested as part of an investigation into a cyber attack on transport for london, the national crime agency says the national crime agency says the teenager was detained on suspicion of offences under the computer misuse act. it comes as tfl said some customer names and contact details had been compromised in that breach, which started on the 1st of september. some oyster card data may also have been accessed, which could include bank account details . six which could include bank account details. six aid which could include bank account details . six aid workers with details. six aid workers with the united nations refugee agency have been killed in two airstrikes on a school in gaza, marking the highest death toll among un staff in a single incident. one of those killed was a manager of a un shelter that housed around 12,000 displaced people , most of them displaced people, most of them women and children. the school has now been hit five times since the war began, and staying with that story, we're just heanng with that story, we're just hearing that sir keir starmer, prime minister and the foreign

secretary, david lammy are now on their way to washington dc to hold talks with president biden, understood that they will be discussing both that conflict in gaza and also the ukraine russia conflict. we'll bring you any more details on that as we get that throughout the rest of this afternoon. meanwhile, martyn's law named after 29 year old martyn hett, who was one of 22 people killed in the manchester bombing, has been introduced to parliament today. the new legislation aims to strengthen pubuc legislation aims to strengthen public protection against terrorism. and under that law, venues could face fines of up to £18 million if they fail to adopt actions like training staff or improving security protocols. it fulfils the prime minister's promise to martin's mother, figen murray, to bring in the new law after her tireless campaigning. the national crime agency has seized hundreds of dangerous life jackets destined for criminal gangs, smuggling migrants across the channel. the nca, working with dutch and italian

authorities, intercepted those faulty jackets in in the netherlands. the jackets, which wouldn't have worked in deep water, were intended for small boat crossings and did include some children's sizes. a 23 year old lorry driver has been arrested as those investigations continue . data centres will be continue. data centres will be classified as critical national infrastructure to protect against cyber attacks, or possible it blackouts, the governments announced today. the facilities store vital data from nhs records to smartphone photos and financial information. their new status now puts data centres on par with water, with energy and other emergency services ensuring greater government support to fend off cyber security threats. the move also coincides with proposed multi—billion pound investment in hertfordshire to build europe's largest data centre , europe's largest data centre, and finally taking space exploration to new heights. two civilians have completed the first ever commercial space walk. billionaire jared isaacman and his crewmate sarah gillies

floated out from their spacex dragon capsule 400 miles above earth using experimental spacesuits without the usual safety of an airlock. the daring duo tested life support systems in the vacuum of space, and the privately funded missions made them the first to take a cosmic stroll without being professional astronauts. now, though, and thankfully, the hatch is closed and the pair are safely back inside, those are the latest headlines for now. lewis mackenzie will have your next update here at 4:30 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign up to news your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much, sam. now the prime minister today has said that the nhs must reform or

die. a shocking report by former labour health minister lord darzi has described the state of the nhs as dire and in critical condition, and the report finds that failings in care have led to the deaths of thousands of patients every year. >> picture finding is that the nhs is in a serious, critical condition, but the vital signs are normal , condition, but the vital signs are normal, which will condition, but the vital signs are normal , which will suggest are normal, which will suggest that we can do something about this to do it well, we need to engage the whole staff, patients, the public, the political leadership all aligned to make that change happen as quickly as we can because we can't wait. >> well, keir starmer made a speech earlier today on the biggest reimagining of the nhs today where he will say. he said that funding will be moved away from unproductive hospitals. well gb news brit school, correspondent olivia utley joins us now. olivia sir keir starmer very clear, saying the nhs may be broken, but it's not beaten.

he's saying we cannot simply keep putting more money into the system. we have to fix the plumbing before we turn on the taps. no more money without reform, it's got to be said. he sounds every inch like nigel farage or a conservative prime minister actually grasping the nettle , taking the bull by the nettle, taking the bull by the horns and saying the nhs needs to be fixed. tell us more. >> well , exactly. very bullish >> well, exactly. very bullish rhetoric from keir starmer on what the nhs needs and the diagnosis is widely accepted to be correct from pretty much all parties . the be correct from pretty much all parties. the nhs has been a black hole for funding for a long time now, and lord darzi is not the first person to suggest that very soon we will be an nhs with a country attached to it. that's how much of british taxpayer money is going into the nhs. and the problem is, of course, that that money isn't translating into more appointments and better service

for patients. keir starmer said that that is going to be addressed under this new labour government. he talks about a ten year plan. he talks about making the difficult decisions . he the difficult decisions. he talks about productivity reform. now i'm sure this will be music to the ears of lots and lots of our viewers and listeners. but i think he's going to come up against some problems, not least of which is the unions. reforming productivity remains means reforming personnel, and thatis means reforming personnel, and that is probably necessary between 2012 and 2019, there was a 17% increase in the number of people working in the nhs, but that increase as anyone who's tried to get a gp appointment or attended a&e will know, did not translate into a better service for patients. but if keir starmer starts trying to perhaps take jobs away from bloated nhs management or reform the structure of the nhs, then he will run into difficulty with

the unions. is he for prepared that? well, i asked him a little earlier today. professor john bell said this morning that doctors in the bma have been a major drag on reforming health care. do you predict that the bma will now embrace productivity reform with open arms? >> well, look, i don't . i've >> well, look, i don't. i've said we'll do this with the staff and we will. but i know from my old job running the crown prosecution service that whenever you try to reform anything, there will be some people, i'm afraid will say, well, don't do that. it's better as it is. i wouldn't do that, keep things as they are. we have to take that attitude on. in my view, it's an inhibitor of change. so whilst we say we will do it with people and we will do it together and we will, i know in my heart of hearts we will meet pockets of people who will say, don't do it , slow down, go say, don't do it, slow down, go over there, not over there. leave things as they are. we have to take that on and we will

take that on. that's part and parcel of the change that we need to bring about. thank you. >> so keir starmer saying there that he is prepared to take on the attitude of bma workers , bma the attitude of bma workers, bma doctors who are potentially a drag on nhs reform. well, he says that now what will happen when he actually gets into conversation with the unions and will it ever get that far? because the other issue, which keir starmer is facing is that he talks about a ten year plan about long term solutions. he talks about major surgery rather than sticking plaster solutions . than sticking plaster solutions. and that all sounds very sensible. again, i'm sure music to the ears of the of many of our viewers and listeners . but our viewers and listeners. but when we get into a winter crisis, as we almost certainly will, there is a winter crisis in the nhs, almost every year there will be calls from across there will be calls from across the political spectrum for short term, urgent solutions. and how will keir starmer face those olivia utley? >> superb reporting as ever,

thank you very much and fair play thank you very much and fair play to sir keir starmer and wes streeting there. finally stopping treating the nhs as sacrosanct. and they're getting to grips with the topic. thank you very much. olivia utley now the big question is, is it time to think about the unthinkable? is it time to contemplate privatising the nhs? and joining me now to discuss this is the political commentator jess gill. jess, welcome to the show. the figures are startling. £180 billion last year, the thick end of that was the nhs budget. 17% increase on staff and yet record waiting lists , terrible waiting lists, terrible outcomes. and now we've got the prime minister saying reform or die. but what might that reform look like? people like nigel farage would like it at least to be partially privatised, to take the burden away from those who can afford to pay and help the neediest who can't. is it time for such a radical move in the uk? jess. >> well, thanks for having me

on, martin. if the choice is between reform or die , honestly, between reform or die, honestly, i would just let the nhs die. i don't think keir starmer is radical enough. in all honesty . radical enough. in all honesty. this is people's lives we're talking about here. so many people have suffered thanks to the nhs and who is it protecting? who is it saving at this point? >> i mean, patients are let down the most vulnerable in society. >> when we talk about old people who are struggling to get an appointment or the working class who have no other choice but to use this monopoly system, it doesn't do them any favours . doesn't do them any favours. >> doctors and staff and nurses are underpaid. who is it actually helping? >> and especially not the taxpayer who has to foot the bill for the endless funding the nhs gets . nhs gets. >> but i mean, many people will say that it's part of our constitution, almost. it's part of our national offering. the nhs to be free at the point of care . that's a right, a right of care. that's a right, a right of the british individual and

tampering with that would be the kind of thing towards going towards an american privatised system, the kind of thing that many, many people are warning is the route we should never go. thenit the route we should never go. then it will price out the poorest. it will mean terrible care for those at the bottom. >> i mean, what's the point of it being free at the point of use when nobody can use it because of the ridiculously long waiting lines? >> the idea that it's a dichotomy between the us and the uk healthcare systems is a complete falsity. it's a complete falsity. it's a complete myth. there are so many other healthcare systems. look at the scandinavian models. look at the scandinavian models. look at germany, germany, look at singapore. and also, may i add the nhs . the nhs. >> the us healthcare system isn't a privatised system. >> there's so much lobbying going involved. there's so much regulation that creates these monopolies. i don't think either of those models are preferable. and no advocates of nhs privatisation or even reform or abolition like i would, is advocating for that. >> and what about the labour party's move? their very strong words today about moving towards

a preventative model. and we know what that looks like already, jessica. it means not being able to have a outside a football ground. it means controls. on being able to buy cigarettes. what next? cigarettes and alcohol. oasis again, it means cleaning children's teeth at school. it may potentially sugar taxes . fat may potentially sugar taxes. fat taxes. do you think we're going to see a part of the modification of the nhs involves more and more control of our lives . before we even get lives. before we even get anywhere near a hospital ? anywhere near a hospital? >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> that's fantastically put. >> that's fantastically put. >> i think this is the product of having a socialised system. it's not just socialising our healthcare, it's socialising our bodies and lives. and the government thinks they're responsible of that. if somebody quite frankly wants to take the risk of cutting down their life years by having a cigarette, who am to i stop them? and i don't think that's anyone's responsibility or anyone's say to do so. and the fact that the government is getting in the way is an increase is a complete

infringement on civil liberties. and i don't think it's their right to do so . right to do so. >> okay. superb, sir. thank you very much for joining >> okay. superb, sir. thank you very much forjoining us, jessica. political commentator. always a pleasure to have you on the show. thank you. now lots more on that story at 5:00. and there's plenty of coverage on our website, gbnews.com. and you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. so thank you very much. now brace yourselves. it's time now for the great british giveaway and the great british giveaway and the biggest cash prize that we've ever given away . that's we've ever given away. that's right, £36,000 could be yours. and that's like having an extra three grand every month. tax free in your bank account for entire year. and here's all the details that you need to try and make that wedge yours. >> you can be the next great british giveaway winner with a whopping £36,000 in tax free cash in your bank account. imagine getting the winning phone call for that. >> you never expect to win. it was unexpected. >> of course i only put in one little entry. >> i blocked the phone number. >> i blocked the phone number. >> to start with. >> to start with. >> i say get your entries in. if i can win it, anybody can win it

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welcome back. it's 423. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. let's have a bit of fun now because prince harry is set to head off on a holiday with his closest mates. yes, a lads tour to celebrate his 40th birthday, while the mrs. meghan stays at home minding the nippers. while the mrs. meghan stays at home minding the nippers . so far home minding the nippers. so far so beautiful. now this comes as sources close to the prince reports he is feeling more and more isolated living in california despite ruling out a return to the uk. well, joining me now to discuss this is the royal broadcaster helena chard helena. absolute pleasure as always to have you on the show. now i refer back to 2012 when prince harry went to las vegas. he got his kit off, he jumped in the pool. he was never more popular. that's the harry that we miss. that's the harry we want back. this can only be a good thing. what goes on tour stays on tour . stays on tour. >> i love that, i love that, yes,

absolutely. >> but we do hear he is a different guy . different guy. >> everybody wants to see him laughing. everyone wants to see the cheeky chappy prince harry. but we have been updated. i think that he's very much into his mindfulness and yoga and he's clean way of living. i know i know, i know, he's got his his birthday this sunday on the 15th. he's going to have a private little gathering, obviously with his wife and children and his montecito mansion. but it's the getaway with his closest mates that we're quite interested in. i would love to think that this is really authentic, and it is going to be a great time for him and his mates, and he's going to let his hair down, as you can imagine, and have a few drinks and have a good time, >> i don't know . >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> part of me just thinks it's soideal >> part of me just thinks it's so ideal, isn't it? from a pr point of view . again, that he is point of view. again, that he is going away with his mates, we

obviously when he comes to the uk, meghan's not with him. and everyone talks about how they're almost not together in that, you know, stance. >> meghan's not supporting him. >> meghan's not supporting him. >> she should be travelling with him to the uk now, seeing him travelling, you know , spending travelling, you know, spending some time with mates, it sort of almost normalises this situation where he goes away on his own, i who's going to be there? i don't know, i would like to think, it's everybody he knows, but we there's his aides, his old former friends that he's apparently in touch with, >> he's sort of. >>— >> he's sort of. >> we've been updated that he's trying to get back into royal life. sort of. i believe, actually, he's been obsessing about his public image, and he wants to change that around, yeah. >> there's so much that's that's here that we could talk about, >> i just hope that he's up in

the mountains. >> the fact of the matter is, you know, back in the good old days, you know, when harry was a bit more of a rapscallion, shall we say, a bit more of a rogue. this guy used to be in the army. he used to read loaded magazine and a magazine that i used to edit. we have photographs of harry with his muscular torso , harry with his muscular torso, reading loads of magazine in the desert outside the army barracks. and then he came out of the army, and he was famed for his service. he was loved by the nation. he went to las vegas being very, very ordinary, having a pool party surrounded by hot chicks . and the fellas by hot chicks. and the fellas wanted to be him . the women wanted to be him. the women wanted to be him. the women wanted to be with him. that's the harry we miss. so i was quite depressed there when he said he's going to get into yoga and mindfulness. when he goes on this trip, why can't you just go and have a let his hair down? he hasn't got much hair left. let it down. what? he's still got it. >> he's going to take a skinny dip. i'm sure with all the guys, whoever's going to be there. guy

pelly maybe, i don't know, maybe nacho i don't know figueres. although his friends with him, i think locally, but yeah, i mean, remembering his 21st birthday where he actually said some wonderful things about his brother, his 30th birthday at clarence house, where he had all his family around him. i mean, imagine it was a really wonderful bash. everyone was there loving him. it was a great situation. i mean, this is his 40th. this is a milestone birthday . he 40th. this is a milestone birthday. he surely is going to be thinking about his family and thinking about what he's achieved, it really is a time for him to, to think about things, but obviously there's going to be no wolf at the door for him, he's getting his windfall of money from the late queen mother, despite being a multi—millionaire. so i mean, he he's he's sort of made now, for a little while, i guess, let's see what happens. but, i do feel that he he it's definitely about

the pr. it's definitely about the pr. it's definitely about the pr. it's definitely about the pr . and obviously, as we the pr. and obviously, as we know, there is an inadequacy that he feels that he wants to live up to prince william, we know all about that. and i think he's trying to get himself back into the public's good books. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> so now, helen, helena, let me interject. it's worth pointing out at this point that there has been a leak from a whatsapp group , apparently, of harry and group, apparently, of harry and his male friends, and one of them claimed that harry is an angry boy. now, things haven't turned out quite how he anticipated. so there is this constant rumour that he's kind of wafting around , the hollywood of wafting around, the hollywood mansion, a bit of a hen pecked househusband spare is the word that you would probably use a spare wotsit at a wedding. he seems like he hasn't really got much of a purpose. could this be basically him trying to get back to basics, trying to be normal again? and more to the point, if

he's always living under the shadow of meghan, this is him trying to like cast that to one side and be himself. maybe that's what we need. we need to see the real harry, not the downtrodden, henpecked harry. >> well, yes, absolutely. i mean, obviously we've got spare the paperback coming out as well in october. >> i mean, the public backlash is getting here, which is quite understandable, >> is huge. i mean , he's ratings >> is huge. i mean, he's ratings used to be so high. >> i don't know what the percentage is at the moment, but it's not good at all. >> and that will be really eating away at prince harry, who has looked at every article that's been written about him since being since being young and obsesses about how people view him. this will be eating away, it's completely affected his reputation. and obviously the people that are going to be there in the montecito, i don't know where it is, the lakes or the peaks or where he's doing skinny dipping in the cold spnngs skinny dipping in the cold springs, he's going to want to try and, you know, get some info how can i change my public image

around? help me. yeah this is a cry for help. i see, i see is helena chard. >> we have to leave it there. always a pleasure to have you on the show. so there we go. skinny dipping in the beverly hills. well, that's what he used to do in las vegas. now moving on. there's been lots more. there's lots more still to come between now and 5:00, including 53 labour mps abstained . on the labour mps abstained. on the winter fuel bill, 348 voted against it. that upset millions across the country. i'll be speaking to the founder of the pensioner vote next about an app and old age protest vote that could come back to haunt labour party mps, including cabinet ministers. but first, it's time for your latest news headlines. his debut, the superb lewis mackenzie . mackenzie. >> what an introduction there. thank you very much martin. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> it's 430 i'm lewis mackenzie in the gb newsroom. sir keir starmer says the nhs has broken

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welcome back. it's 438. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. joining me now to i'm talking about the change in the voting map. this is the map of shame as we called it. the was a vote this week of course to scrap the winter fuel allowance. and it was 438 labour mps voted to scrap that , 53 abstained, and a scrap that, 53 abstained, and a map that we produced shows that those seats are under grave peril, with some having very, very thin margins of victory. now joining me now to discuss this is david pinless, the founder of the pensioner vote. david, welcome to the show.

always an absolute pleasure. so we worked together on this along with lee evans at facts4eu's .org. the chairman was on the show earlier on today and all along we've been looking at this huge majority, this this backlash of voting down the winter fuel allowance. and upon further analysis, david, some rather choice pieces of information are leaping out at us. please tell us more. >> well, good afternoon, martin, and thank you very much for having me again on the show. we all know that labour has a majority that's a mile wide and just an inch thick, and they've got themselves in a real mess. but instead of sorting it out, they've doubled down even tripled down. i've got some interesting statistics here. there are around 50 labour constituencies where their majority is under 2000, and it would take a very small swing for them to lose their seat . so for them to lose their seat. so take an extreme example. >> we've got hendon where there's a labour majority of

just 15, but there are 12,000 people there, 12,000 pensioners who are set to lose their winter fuel allowance. >> so it would just take 16 pensioners who voted labour to change their vote and labour would be gone. so they are severely at risk. if we now look at the other extreme, if we look at the other extreme, if we look at labour constituencies , where at labour constituencies, where they have a very large majority, they have a very large majority, they are often in areas of high social deprivation . take an social deprivation. take an example sheffield heeley. labour has a massive majority of 15,013 thousand pensioners are going to lose their winter fuel allowance, so obviously labour is somewhat less at risk here. but the pensioners here are very much at risk because they are the ones experiencing pensioner poverty. now the interesting question for me as a pensioner is what about those pensioners who did not vote but could have done so and also those who might

not have voted labour had they known they would lose their winter fuel allowance? so this morning i scanned through our database to see if i could add some interesting statistics to this map. and we've got just short of 10,000 members, all of whom have recently joined, and obviously all of whom have internet access and are tech savvy. statistically, 10,000 is a significant sample, and i've rounded the numbers up to 10,000 to make the numbers easy, easier to make the numbers easy, easier to understand. so of the 10,000 members we have rounded up, 1400 of them are not registered to vote. 5000 of them did not vote, 3600 did vote. of those 3000, 600 labour, 1600. conservative 900. reform 820. lib dem 200. the others 80. so in other words, labour got 16% of the pensioner vote. as far as our site is concerned. conservatives 9% reform 8%. conservative and

reform together above labour. >> okay, so david, i just want i just want to interject just to get back to our map. and this is fascinating stuff. but just let's get that map back on the screen again. the full map there of scotland, england and wales and just talk through what that map is. get it on the screen please. in the gallery. so what you can see there, the red seats, those are the, the seats that voted to kill the winter fuel allowance and all of them are labour seats. the green colours . those are the mps that colours. those are the mps that voted to keep the winter fuel allowance and the amber ones , allowance and the amber ones, they're the abstentions. they're almost entirely labour party. of course , with a few sinn feiners course, with a few sinn feiners over there in northern ireland. and when you delve into some of these figures, there are some incredible majorities, a very slim majorities there. david pillars, as you said, hendon, just 15 votes, yet almost 12,000 people in the in that seat lost their winter fuel allowance in pool their winter fuel allowance in pool. a majority of just 18,

almost 19,000 people lost their winter fuel allowance. north west cambridgeshire 39 majority, almost 17,000 lost their winter fuel allowance. so, david, i put it to you at the pensioner vote that this could be a significant political uprising and gathering if the grey vote to call it that crudely were to circle around this issue and to form a political movement. this could be a severe headache for labour party mps, including, as the data shows, including three cabinet ministers >> i think the take home from all of this , martin, is that all of this, martin, is that there are two things. one is that labour is severely at risk from a pensioner backlash. that's number one. and number two is that pensioners are not politically engaged much rather like the rest of the population. and that's one of the reasons we have the pensioner vote to try and get pensioners more politically engaged. now, you know, martin, i look at where i live on that map. i'm in north

wales, a red area, i've got the central heating on today. i'm wearing a sweater. i've got the central heating. it's okay for me. i can afford it, a couple of years ago, i used to be a volunteer, and i delivered meals with other volunteers to people who were at risk . and i'd go who were at risk. and i'd go into the homes of the elderly and the vulnerable. i noticed two things, by the way, in those days , i didn't even know what days, i didn't even know what winter fuel allowance was. i noficed winter fuel allowance was. i noticed two things. they were either sitting at home in the freezing cold wearing a coat. can you imagine? or i went into other people's houses and they were so warm and stuffy. i just wanted to get out and some elderly people obviously do need to live in a very warm home. and i just thought to myself then how on earth do they afford their fuel bills? how on earth do they afford their fuel bills? >> okay, david, i'm afraid we have to leave it there. we've simply run out of time. but, look, we're going to continue this conversation throughout the days and weeks, and i know there's yet more data that we're going to put onto this map, and we're going to get a target seat

list together to really get those pensioners motivated and together. david pennells, founder of the pensioner vote. thanks for all the work you do and i'm to happy be of service here @gbnews to get your membership going through the roof. thank you very much. now moving on. seven men are due to be sentenced tomorrow for a string of child sex offences dating back to the 2000. of course, this is the grooming gang scandal. and i'll be joined by our national reporter, charlie peters, who has all of the latest from sheffield . i'm the latest from sheffield. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. it's 448 on martin daubney on gb news now. seven men are due to be sentenced tomorrow for a string of child sex offences perpetrated in the 2000. and this comes following a five year investigation by officers from the national crime agency into

child sex abuse offences against teenage girls in rotherham. and joining me now to discuss this is gb news, national reporter charlie peters charlie welcome to the show. charlie you were in court today. you sent through to me some incredibly moving victim impact statements. charlie. harrowing stuff. please talk us through. talk us through it. >> good afternoon. martin. it was an incredibly emotional scene inside the courtroom here at sheffield crown court, as two victim impact statements were read out as part of this five year long ncaa national crime agency investigation into a child sex abuse grooming gang in rotherham, which was operating in the 2000, just when that town in the 2000, just when that town in south yorkshire was experiencing some of the most appalling child sex abuse scandal that this country or indeed europe, has ever seen. now seven men are due to be

sentenced tomorrow. they are mohammed omar, yasser ajaib , mohammed omar, yasser ajaib, mohammed omar, yasser ajaib, mohammed zamir, sadiq, mohammed shehab abid, sadiq tahir yasin and ramin bahrani. but as i said, martin, the real delivery and the key emotional moments from this afternoon's proceedings were those victim impact statements. one survivor addressing the defendants directly in the courtroom, speaking to them as they look down in the dock. they all arrived and addressed and greeted their families in the pubuc greeted their families in the public gallery earlier this afternoon. one urdu interpreter was required inside the dock. but then when that survivor spoke, she detailed how by the time she was 16, she had been abused by some 150 men. she said she was trafficked across england. she said that her phone was taken away. she was threatened with violence. she said that when she was 11 years old, the abuse started and she

was forced to take a virginity test. she spoke directly to the man who was convicted of making her go through that horrific ordeal inside the courtroom here. she went to on say, i am your karma. she said, you stole my childhood. now i'm taking your freedom. 22 years ago, you first started grooming me and ten years ago, i started my justice fight. well, that survivor, with that sentencing tomorrow will have that justice that she has waited for. for over two decades. we then had a second victim impact statement read out by a prosecuting barrister. while that survivor was watching on via video link, and that statement said your actions, which briefly satisfied your desires, have had a lifelong effect on me. i am a survivor and i am a fighter. i will continue to be a strong and continue to seek justice. i am now in control of my life. she

said. you violated and humiliated me when i was a vulnerable child. now it's your turn to feel as i did the three of you being convicted has given me that control. that was the closing sentence from extensive remarks that were delivered by those two separate survivors today in the court, with one addressing them directly. now those seven men convicted on a string of child sexual abuse offences, including indecent assault , trafficking and rape assault, trafficking and rape will be sentenced tomorrow. it's part of an operation stovewood investigation. stovewood is the national crime agency's investigation into historic nonfamilial child abuse in rotherham. it was launched in 2014 after a report by alexis jay, 6 2014 after a report by alexis jay, a social worker, found that some 1400 girls and boys in the town had been abused from 1997 town had been abused from 1997 to 2013. now the nca, the

national crime agency, britain's fbi , they've identified some 150 fbi, they've identified some 150 victims. they've made over 250 arrests. these convictions, which came after a nine week trial concluding in june, raised the number of convictions they've had to over 38. this is, by my count , they've had to over 38. this is, by my count, one of the they've had to over 38. this is, by my count , one of the largest by my count, one of the largest prosecutions that they've successfully had, certainly the largest in recent years. and another case there was a 13 strong set of convictions, but that was split over two separate trials. but seven men tomorrow will be sentenced. and the judge here, his honour, michael slater, said that they would be facing long custodial sentences . facing long custodial sentences. >> charlie peters, some of the testimony is, is almost too harrowing to read out. i knew it was wrong, but i wanted to belong somewhere. you monsters took advantage of my vulnerabilities. you sought to pass me around as if i was a piece of meat to man man city to city. and tomorrow those survivors will get justice. charlie peters , thank you for

charlie peters, thank you for being there today. to pass that on to the nation, to make sure that their voices are heard. thank you very, very much. charlie peters . oh, what do you charlie peters. oh, what do you say to that ? there's lots more say to that? there's lots more coming up on that story in the next hour, as well as the shocking report into the nhs by the former labour health minister, lord darzi, in which he describes the state of the nhs as dire and in critical condition. but is it too late to save it, or is it time to think about partially privatising it? i'll talk about that with professor karol sikora next. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. is your weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . sponsors of boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello. good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. still a cold feel for the next day or so, but it will turn warmer into the weekend and it will also become much drier across western areas as high pressure is building for

in the end of the week from the west. we've still got this northerly wind though, bringing in arctic air for many areas through this evening. as well as a few showers inland at first, but overnight they will become more and more restricted to just the east coast, as well as just the east coast, as well as just the far north coast of parts of wales, to some of these showers across the east could still be heavy into this evening and bnng heavy into this evening and bring a risk of hail, but for many of us it is going to be a clear, dry and cold night tonight. rurally we could be down as low as —1 or 2 quite widely , and where we have seen widely, and where we have seen some snow across the high ground in scotland, we could be down lower than that first thing. but there will be plenty of sunshine in the morning. so despite the chilly start, the sunshine should still warm things up quite quickly and the winds will be much lighter through tomorrow morning. so quite a pleasant start to the day. across the northwest though, parts of western scotland, northern ireland, we will start to see some cloud bubbling up through the morning and a risk of a few showers. that is ahead of a weather front that is going to be spreading in from the north—west through friday

afternoon. you can see it here. so rain approaching parts of northern ireland later on in the day, and the sunshine will turn much hazier across parts of scotland. elsewhere, though, plenty of long lived sunshine and with lighter winds, it will feel much warmer tomorrow. compared to today, temperatures will still be a little below average in the mid teens for most areas. highs of 17 degrees at a max in the far south—east, but it's certainly warmer than it has been lately . now the rain it has been lately. now the rain across the northwest continues its journey into parts of scotland through friday evening. that'll become a bigger feature as we head into saturday, so rainfall totals could start to build up across far north western areas , where as dry western areas, where as dry weather will hold on across the south. as we look ahead to the start of next week, further wet weather in the north, but more dry and warm weather in the south. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather

gb news. >> a very good afternoon to you. it's 5:00 pm and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk. on today's show, after a report into the state of the nhs today, sir keir starmer claimed the nhs must reform or die. so the nhs must reform or die. so the big topic of our debate today is it time to do the unthinkable and privatise the nhs ? and today, a gb news nhs? and today, a gb news exclusive report has identified a map of shame of how mps voted to kill the winter fuel alliance allowance. if you add on top, they're thin margins, we can exclusively reveal today which labour party mps are most at risk of losing their seats to an old age protest vote and after the uk's prime minister had her purse stolen at a police conference this week, we'll discuss with the former minister for crime prevention what this rather ironic theft says about a rising epidemic of crime across

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and here's lewis mckenzie . and here's lewis mckenzie. >> good afternoon. it's 5:00 i'm lewis mckenzie in the gb newsroom sir keir starmer says the nhs is broken but not beaten, delivering a stark message after a report into the health service. lord darcy's rapid review highlights rising demands , low productivity and demands, low productivity and poor morale. just some of the major challenges facing the nhs. it's after figures out this morning show ballooning waiting times and delays in a&e and cancer care. speaking earlier, the prime minister warned there will be no more money without reform and said big shifts are needed to secure the nhs future. >> only fundamental reform and a plan for the long term can turn around the nhs and build a healthy society. that won't be easy, it won't be quick. it will take a ten year plan, not just

the work of one parliament, but i know we can do it . i know we can do it. >> harvey weinstein has been hit with new criminal charges as the disgraced movie producer gears up for a possible retrial. his 2020 rape conviction was overturned in april after a judge allowed testimony from accusers not formally involved in the case. prosecutors in manhattan are now investigating new sexual assault claims . as new sexual assault claims. as more women come forward through the specifics have not been disclosed. at court. he continues to deny all allegations . the continues to deny all allegations. the uk's crime ministers had her belongings stolen from the hotel, where she gave a speech to members of the police superintendents association. in her conference speech , dame diana johnson said speech, dame diana johnson said the labour government had inherited an epidemic of anti—social behaviour , theft and anti—social behaviour, theft and shoplifting from the government before. warwickshire police are

investigating the theft and the home office confirmed there were no security risks identified . no security risks identified. the 17 year old boy has been arrested as part of an investigation into a cyber attack on london transport. the national crime agency says the teenager was detained on suspicion of offences under the computer misuse act. it comes as tfl says some customer names and contact details have been compromised in the security breach, which started on the 1st of september. some oyster card data may also have been accessed, which could include bank account details . ukraine bank account details. ukraine has called on the uk and the us to lift restrictions on using western weapons against russian targets. during a visit by the foreign secretary and the us secretary of state. at a press conference in kyiv , david lammy conference in kyiv, david lammy and antony blinken praised ukraines bravery but avoided committing to president zelenskyy's request to use long—range missiles for strikes

inside of russia. discussions will continue in washington on friday, and a royal navy warship has seized £160 million worth of cocaine in the caribbean , cocaine in the caribbean, intercepting a so—called narco sub in a joint operation with the united states , hms trent. the united states, hms trent. sailing around 200 miles south of the dominican republic , of the dominican republic, seized 2000 kilos of cocaine , seized 2000 kilos of cocaine, marking the ship's eighth drug bust in only seven months. and in a sign that major changes could be ahead for the uk's workforce, health and care work visas applications have plunged by 83% from april to august this yeah by 83% from april to august this year. new figures from the home office reveal dependent visa applications also dropped by 73%. meanwhile, student visas saw 17% drop, but the dependents of students took a sharper hit with 83% decline. in contrast ,

with 83% decline. in contrast, applications for skilled worker visas rose by 18% over the same penod visas rose by 18% over the same period , and taking space period, and taking space exploration to new heights. two civilians just completed the first ever commercial spacewalk. billionaire jared isaacman and crewmate sarah gillis floated out their spacex dragon capsule 400 miles above earth, using experimental spacesuits without the usual safety of an airlock. the daring duo tested life support systems in the vacuum of space. the privately funded missions made them the first to take a cosmic stroll without being professional astronauts . being professional astronauts. now, those are your latest gb news headlines. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

slash alerts. >> thank you lewis. superb stuff. now the nhs. it must reform or die. well, following a shocking report by former labour health minister lord darzi describing the state of the nhs as dire and in critical condition, the prime minister earlier on today claimed that the national health surgery needs major surgery . needs major surgery. >> nhs may be in a critical condition but it is vital. signs are strong and we need to have the courage to deliver long term reform. major surgery, not sticking plasters . sticking plasters. >> major surgery is required and the report finds that failings in the care has led to the deaths of thousands of patients each year. and i'm joined now by gb news political correspondent olivia utley to talk about this further. olivia, welcome back to the show. so the figures are stark. the total budget going

into the nhs, almost £180 billion last year. obviously £180 billion going in. and yet we see record waiting lists , we see record waiting lists, people complaining of plummeting standards of care. there's been talk for many, many years of major reform of the health service. the tory party didn't do it. nigel farage has spoken of his desire to do it. and fair play of his desire to do it. and fair play to keir starmer. he's grabbing the bull by the horns. >> yeah, it's very bullish rhetoric from keir starmer this morning on reforming the nhs. he even went as far as to say that there will be no more money without reform. and the figures, as you say martin, really back him up there. it's often said these days that britain is becoming an nhs with a country attached. that's how much of taxpayer money is ploughed into the nhs. and as you mentioned , the nhs. and as you mentioned, it doesn't seem to be improving services very much. the number of people working in the nhs

increased by 17% between 2012 and 2019, but that did not correspond with an uptick in the number of appointments or of course, shorter waiting lists. in fact, waiting lists have been getting longer year on year. so what is keir starmer going to do about it? well, he talks about a ten year plan. he talks about getting scans onto the high streets and out of hospitals. he talks about prevention instead of treatment. all of that sounds quite familiar , something which quite familiar, something which conservative ministers have mentioned many, many times over the last 14 years. labour is hopeful that it will be able to seize the nettle, as you put it, partly because they have this mandate . they do have the mandate. they do have the largest majority for over a decade now. and also although they don't quite say this, reforming the nhs is less of a toxic issue politically for labour than it is for the conservatives. when the conservatives. when the conservatives talk about nhs reform, you get the jeremy corbyn's of the world suggesting that the conservatives are are simply trying to privatise the

nhs, to try and put money in the pockets of their friends and cronies. that isn't such an accusation. that is levelled at laboun accusation. that is levelled at labour. so keir starmer is optimistic. there are going to be hurdles, though , and one of be hurdles, though, and one of those hurdles is the bma. the main doctors union. whenever there is talk about productivity reform and personnel reform in the nhs, which the statistics show is what is so desperately needed, the bma puts up a bit of a fuss. i asked keir starmer that very question a little bit earlier today. let's hear what he had to say. professor john he had to say. professorjohn bell said this morning that doctors in the bma have been a major drag on reforming health care. do you predict that the bma will now embrace productivity reform with open arms? >> well, look, i don't . i've >> well, look, i don't. i've said we'll do this with the staff and we will. but i know from my old job running the crown prosecution service that whenever you try to reform anything, there will be some people, i'm afraid they will say, oh, don't do that. it's

better as it is. i wouldn't do that, keep things as they are. we have to take that attitude on. in my view, it's an inhibitor of change. so whilst we say we will do it with people and we will do it together and we will, i know in my heart of hearts we will meet pockets of people who will say, don't do it , people who will say, don't do it, slow down, go over there, not over there. leave things as they are. we have to take that on and we will take that on. that's part and parcel of the change that we need to bring about. thank you . thank you. >> so the prime minister there, sounding as though he is perfectly happy to pick a fight with the unions, if you like, or at least his braced for a fight with the bma. but let's see what happens when push comes to shove. the keir starmer and the labour government have just given junior doctors a pretty big pay rise in order in part to placate the bma. could we find something similar happening when keir starmer tries to begin

those nhs reforms? he's been talking about today? >> olivia utley, i think you asked an excellent question. indeed.the asked an excellent question. indeed. the bma's gp committee has already said that it would have no choice but to participate in collective action, so i think you're dead right to point out this won't be an easy route ahead for sir keir starmer. thank you very much, olivia utley. great reporting as ever now. joining us now to continue this conversation is the oncologist , professor karol the oncologist, professor karol sikora. professor sikora, the common sense oncologist. thank you so much forjoining us. now you've been calling for nhs reform for absolutely ages. in fact, back in may you appeared on my show saying reform is desperately needed. you had a six point plan on how to deal with this. you know, the nhs, you know its deficiencies. how can we sort this? and do you think sir keir starmer has the appetite to do this? and will he hit lots of resistance from gp's and the health service as he tries to do so? >> you're right about all this,

martin. the problem is there's nothing new in this report. we've had report after report showing things are getting worse year on year. more money, more staff, no productivity . it's not staff, no productivity. it's not new news. as you all know, the problem is there's nothing about how to fix it in this report. after all, this guy that wrote it was a health minister 14 years ago or so . why ask him to years ago or so. why ask him to do it? >> he never did anything to make it change. that's why we're in the mess . the current the mess. the current governments have this theme of criticising the previous government for the state of the nhs, but no one has any ideas about how to fix it. that's what's needed . what's needed. >> it requires unpleasant ideas, ideas like charging people for services in the nhs , charging services in the nhs, charging for priority care if people want to buy it, like you can go business class on airlines. all these things have to be discussed. there's no point sticking to the same old thing that bevan came up with 70 years

ago, free at the point of delivery based on medical need, not on ability to pay. that doesn't work in modern society. something's got to give you know, i've been in it for 50, over 50 years now and you know, it's got progressively worse. and i think that's the problem . martin. >> so on that point, martin. >> so on that point , professor >> so on that point, professor sikora, what happens? sir keir starmer has echoed things that you've been saying for a long time. we have to fix the plumbing before turning on the taps. no more money without reform. but it's a common metaphor. the nhs is a leaky bucket. money leaks out because they seem to be terrible at spending money. they don't seem to have the business acumen of the private sector. so with so many huge issues to face, where do we start exactly? >> and what does reform mean ? >> and what does reform mean? >> and what does reform mean? >> and what does reform mean? >> and this is a great word reform. >> it's a magic word. it'll change everything. it will make it free. and you can have more for less money. it doesn't work like that. we all know that nothing in society works like

that. nothing in society works like that . reform requires hard that. reform requires hard choices. it requires a much more business like approach to making efficiency. >> the bma will rattle in its cage about this, as you've heard, and the other unions will do the same. >> appeasing the junior doctors. well, maybe that was the right decision at the time, but i predict they'll be on strike before christmas again for more money. that's the problem. we're in a never ending cycle. when i began martin in the nhs, it was really fun. it was just such fun to be a junior doctor, a privilege and to be a young consultant again, a privilege and we didn't count the cost. we didn't need to. but now we do have to count the cost. it's just so expensive . my speciality just so expensive. my speciality cancen just so expensive. my speciality cancer. we have drugs that cost over £150,000 a year to give to someone, and that someone may be over 80. they've not paid the kind of insurance policy to justify giving that drug to them, but we have to do it. and maybe that's fair, but we have

to come with much more imaginative solutions if we're going to actually reform the system . system. >> well, professor karol sikora, they should really plumb into you and get your expertise every time you come on, you see absolute common sense. thank you. pleasure to speak to you as even you. pleasure to speak to you as ever. and you were magnificent dunng ever. and you were magnificent during lockdowns and isn't that a part of the problem about how we're so far in debt with the nation, national, state and the nhs? oncologist karol sikora an absolute delight to speak to you.thank absolute delight to speak to you. thank you so much for joining me on the show. i've got lots more on that story on our website and thanks to you gb news. com is the fastest growing national news website in the country. it's got breaking news and all of the brilliant analysis that you've come to expect from us here @gbnews now. it's time now for the great british giveaway and the biggest cash prize we've ever given away . cash prize we've ever given away. that's right, 36 grand could be yours. and that's like having an extra £3,000 tax free in your bank account each and every month for an entire year. that sounds tasty. well, here's all

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welcome back. it's 521. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. we are now joined by the former labour party mp stephen pound to talk about the winter fuel allowance vote this week of course, 438 labour mps voted to scrap the winter fuel allowance. the £300 allowance for 10 million british venturers pensioners. now, every single

person who voted to scrap this, every single member of parliament was a labour member of parliament, 438 out of 438. there were 53 abstentions and the great majority of them were also the labour party, and i'm joined now by the former labour mp stephen pound. stephen pound, always a pleasure to have you on the show. first of all, i want to ask you a direct question. you're a former labour party mp. if you'd have been voting in westminster on this, how would you have voted? >> i would have voted along the same lines as kemi badenoch did. if she had any courage, i would have said it's ridiculous that the king gets the same winter fuel allowance as somebody who's on the breadline. as far as i'm concerned, i would have voted absolutely to scrap this because as a pensioner, i want to see money sent into the national health service, into security, into the policing, into our armed forces. i don't want it to be given to millionaires who don't need it in the first place. there's not enough money in this country to spread it around like a loan, surely. as far as i'm concerned, what money we've got should be targeted at

those people. the king and i can do without it. the nhs can't do without it. >> stephen pound as you know, that's a gross oversimplification of the matter. there are many, many people that have been in touch with us here @gbnews who might be 1 or £2 even over that, that, that threshold, who are going to be suffered to make out that everybody's like the king or a millionaire, you know, isn't true . and do you think, true. and do you think, therefore, that that's your attitude there and the way that's come across from the labour party, this is mean spirited. it's cruel. and could it haunt your party at the next election? >> martin. it's very easy to be generous with other people's money. the labour party doesn't have any money. the country has money. the money is not our money. the money is not our money. and we have to spend it responsibly. now, look, when you say there's a few people who are just simply on the edge of getting it, well, that would apply getting it, well, that would apply if we were giving people £500 a year. there would always be somebody there'd always be a trigger point, which is why i think, you know, maybe we could be a bit more sensitive about a tapen be a bit more sensitive about a taper. but look, the reality is

you've got a thing called the warm home discount, which kicks in in october. we've got the considerable increase in pensions. and as far as i'm concerned, it's a you may accuse me of being grossly simplistic, and i actually take that on the chin because, you know, i can understand where you're coming from. but the reality is you have to have targeted benefits. a couple of years ago, we had a debate in the house of commons on the tv licence. up until then, everybody over 75 got a free bbc tv licence, whether they wanted it or not. the conservative government then said it is ridiculous to give everybody a free tv licence. what we're going to do is we're going to target it only at those on benefits. and the conservative government proposed that. i agreed with it and we voted for it. as far as i'm concerned, it's the same principle you've got to target at those most in need and not not give it to those who don't needit not give it to those who don't need it so much. >> okay? just to talk through the map we just had on our screen, that's a map that i've put together. you can see on there the red seats and they're all labour. they're the seats that voted to scrap to kill the tax. the winter fuel allowance

and the green constituencies . and the green constituencies. those are the ones that voted to keep it. and the ambers, they're the abstentions and they're mostly labour party on the mainland, with a few sinn fein's there in northern ireland. now, when you dive into the detail of this stephen pound, there are some fascinating figures leap out some of these labour seats have very, very small majorities. in fact, the smallest majority there is hendon. hendon has a 15 majority one five. however, almost 12,000 people in that constituency lost their winter fuel allowance. same in poole 18 majority, nearly 19,000 people lost their winter fuel allowance . cambridge winter fuel allowance. cambridge 39 versus 17,000 who lost their winter fuel allowance. stephen poundif winter fuel allowance. stephen pound if you're a parliamentarian in one of those seats, would you not be concerned with such a tiny minority , tiny majority that minority, tiny majority that even a tiny proportion of those who lost their winter fuel allowance voting a different way

would wipe those labour seats out? >> martin, i would hope that i would have had the courage and the guts and the honesty to actually look my constituents in the eye and say, look, i'm not in the business of making stupid gesture politics. i'm not in the business of voting against something which i know is going to go through what i'm in the business of is doing the best for the country, country first, party second. and as far as i'm for the country, country first, concerned is last. >> first and pensioners last. >> first and pensioners last. >> no, not at all. >> no, not at all. >> look, pensioners are going to get an increase in the pension allowance anyway in the, in the, in the minimum income guarantee. but when these things i mean ted heath brought in the £10 christmas bonus back in whenever it was 74. and at that time we thought what? that is just a gesture. i mean, is that £10 really important? does it make a huge amount of difference when gordon brown brought in the winter fuel allowance back in, i think it was 1998 99. a number of people said, look, do we really need this is the best thing at that time. the country was in a better state financially. it's very, very easy to actually strike a posture and say , i'm going to

posture and say, i'm going to vote against this. i'm going to vote, you know, make some shaun bailey thing about pensioners, you know, come out as soon as somebody comes up with the old, you know, eating or heating line, you know, they've lost the argument. look, we've got to be sensible. we've got to be grown up. we've got to give it to those in the greatest need. the people. when i got the winter fuel allowance, i gave it straight to the salvation army. i didn't need it. i would much rather it would go to people in greater need. and that's the honesty of it. martin and you say what? what i've done to my constituents. i would have sat down and spoken to them and i would said, yeah, of course, you know, i can make a brave gesture and stand on a hill and wave a flag and hope that i'm being noble and you're going to love me forever. but being elected politician means being grown up, being sensible. it means adult and above all, mate. it means treating the constituents and the people of this country with the people of this country with the respect they deserve. not not trying to fool them that there's a magic money tree that can provide everything for everybody, every, every day of the week except stephen and anne. >> there was a magic money tree. £10 billion went to public sector workers with 5.5% inflation busting pay rises to

keir starmer sorted out people in the unions, the health unions, the teacher unions. we found £600 million yesterday for ukraine, £100 million for train drivers , £500 million forjunior drivers, £500 million forjunior doctors, £11.6 billion for climate aid. overseas, the labour party can find the money for that. this was £1.4 billion. stephen pound in the grand scheme of things, it was a pittance. it was a frippery and yet you know full well it has a highly emotional impact, cutting things like this. it says ukraine first, climate change first, pensioners last. a lot of people getting in touch with gb news. they've been saying that to us. they feel this country no longer cares about old age pensioners who've paid into the system for their entire lives. >> marty, that money is going to go to the things that every pensioner in this country holds dear and holds priceless to their heart security, the policing, prisons, all those things the nhs above all,

pensioners don't exist purely on a little island . they have to a little island. they have to actually take advantage of other things. that money that we can save from by targeting the winter fuel allowance can go to something that every single pensioner needs a better health service , more police on the service, more police on the streets, more security. and as for ukraine, ukraine is an existential threat. if we can't do something about the russians, we can't do anything about our own future. and it's not nearly that amount of money. we wouldn't have had the to money actually spend on those things if we weren't being grown up. and sensible about things like the winter fuel allowance. as for the other things, we've not bought off the unions. i wish to god we had bought off the unions. you know, they've come back with a bill over and over again. these are long standing strikes that have been settled , strikes that have been settled, long standing industrial disputes that have had to be settled for the good of every single person in this country. look, you can say that one particular group of people, the pensioners who by and large, you know, there's plenty of examples of people who are in dire poverty and those are the people we need to address. we need to get them to get them the benefits that they're entitled to, to get them the proper allowances that they can. then

they can get their winter fuel allowance. and i get back to the point. you accuse me of gross simplification. you're a good journalist and i respect you for this. to say that the king and i don't need it is not gross simplification. it's a statement of fact. >> no, no. but i'm saying not everybody is the king or you. you've probably got a nice parliamentarians pension, so you don't need the winter fuel allowance and can i. no. can i quickly ask you this question as well if it's about looking at your constituents in the eyes, why did 50 labour mps not even have the guts to vote? they abstained. >> well, those 50 labour just go down the list. a lot of them, people like hilary benn, who was on duty in northern ireland at the time, they were like david lammy, who was in ukraine. a lot of those people, they simply couldn't be there. >> and one of them was at the dentist. yeah. the mp for liverpool. was it the dentist? yeah, that must come as great comfort to the pensioners of the kingdom. okay. stephen pound, thank you very much for joining us on the show. i'm putting up a spirited defence of what many think is a heartless cut, but still we have a nice, balanced debate on this show now. lots more still to come between now and 6:00, including the uk's

police and crime minister had her purse stolen at an annual conference for senior police officers on tuesday. is this a reflection of the state of our country? even the coppers can't keep their purses from getting nicked. but first, here's your latest news headlines and it's lewis mckenzie . lewis mckenzie. >> good afternoon. it's half past five i'm lewis mckenzie in the gb newsroom . sir keir the gb newsroom. sir keir starmer says the nhs is broken but not beaten, delivering a stark message after a report into the health service . the into the health service. the review highlights ballooning waiting times long a&e delays and poor cancer care. speaking earlier, the prime minister warned there will be no more money without reform and said big shifts are needed to secure the nhs future . the nhs future. >> only fundamental reform and a plan for the long term can turn around the nhs and build a healthy society. now it won't be easy. it won't be quick, it will

take a ten year plan, not just the work of one parliament, but i know we can do it . i know we can do it. >> the uk's prime minister's had her belongings stolen from a hotel , where she was giving hotel, where she was giving a speech to members of the police superintendents association in her conference speech, dame diana johnson says the labour government has inherited an epidemic of anti—social behaviour, theft and shoplifting from the conservative government. warwickshire police are investigating the theft and the home office confirmed no security risks were identified . security risks were identified. harvey weinstein has been hit with new criminal charges as the disgraced movie producer gears up for a possible retrial. his 2020 rape conviction was overturned in april after a judge allowed testimony from accusers not formally involved in the case. prosecutors in manhattan are now investigating

new sexual assault claims as more women come forward. he continues to deny all allegations . a 17 year old boy allegations. a 17 year old boy has been arrested as a part of an investigation into a cyberattack on for transport london. the national crime agency says the teenager was detained on suspicion of offences under the computer misuse act. it comes as tfl said some customers names and contact details had been compromised in the security breach, which started on the 1st of september. some oyster card data may also have been accessed, which could include bank account details and taking space exploration to new heights. two civilians just completed the first ever commercial space walk. billionaire jared isaacman and crewmate sarah gillis have completed the first ever commercial space walk. the pair floated out from their spacex dragon capsule 400 miles above

the earth, using experimental spacesuits. the privately funded missions made the first ever people to take a cosmic stroll without being professional astronauts . well, those are your astronauts. well, those are your latest gb news headlines. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> fantastic delivery there from lewis mackenzie. now in touch with me here @gbnews. you know what to do. go to gbnews.com/yoursay. i've been a huge response to the interview i just did with stephen pound, former labour party member of parliament, saying that we should get rid of the winter fuel allowance. it was the right thing to scrap it, and then we had a bit of a ding dong and it

certainly got you going. get your comments coming in and i'll read out the of your messages little later in the show. i'm martin daubney

channel. welcome back. it's 538. we're on the final furlong with me. martin daubney on gb news now. the uk's police and crime minister, dame diana johnson, has had her purse stolen at an annual conference for senior police officers on tuesday. she gave a speech warning of the epidemic of anti—social behaviour, theft and shoplifting that the labour government had inherited from the conservatives while the theft came on the same day that the government released prisoners to deal with overcrowding and to discuss this farcical situation, i'm now joined by the former minister of state for crime prevention , state for crime prevention, norman baker. norm, always a pleasure. this will be a morecambe and wise sketch if it weren't so serious . morecambe and wise sketch if it weren't so serious. here we are at a

crime reference number for your insurance. if you get your house broken into, you're likely to see a copper within the next 48 hours. is this a case, norman of simply you reap what you sow. even police top brass aren't immune from petty theft. now, being the new normal. >> well, i hope it drives home to both the government and indeed the police that a crime is a crime. and it should be pursued. they should no longer be any crimes which are effectively free for the criminal. if they are crimes, they should be pursued. if they're not crimes, they should be removed from the statute book. it's quite as simple as that. and i hope that we do take things like theft more seriously. it's unfair, for example, on our shopkeepers, that shoplifting is effectively being criminalised and people can go in and take what they want and are unlikely to get any repercussions. and if the shopkeepen repercussions. and if the shopkeeper, of course, attempts to stop them , they can get to stop them, they can get arrested for assault . arrested for assault. >> and, norman, could i ask you for your opinion, sir keir starmer said that he was troubled by the images of

inmates who were released from nick this week, popping champagne corks. one was picked up in a lamborghini . some were up in a lamborghini. some were doing the lambeth walk, dancing around the streets. some were given drugs on their exit from from prison. what does that say to the british population looking on at these, these scenes that just seem to reflect a society where early releases reward and law abiding people living in fear of these yobbos getting back out ? getting back out? >> well, i mean, look, i mean, that's another thing that's very embarrassing, probably more embarrassing, probably more embarrassing for the government than the theft of diana johnson's purse. it is a very poor image. i don't actually blame the government in this situation, because we have a situation, because we have a situation where prisons are at capacity. they inherited that from the last government. the last government was actually thinking about a similar scheme because of the pressure on the prisons and however, it does suggest that the criminals, stick two fingers up, frankly, to to the the law and order in this country. and it's

unedifying to see those sorts of scenes. i very much hope that we'll end up with a situation where, first of all, people who shouldn't be in prison because they're , for example, not paying they're, for example, not paying their television licence or something are dealt with in different ways, but those who are in prison for serious offences should not be released at 40% of sentence. that's not right . right. >> okay. norman baker, thanks for joining us there. the former minister of state for crime prevention. now you've got your phone on a table there in london. that's the crime waves up.and london. that's the crime waves up. and make sure you get it back in your pocket sharpish. norman baker, always a pleasure to speak to you on the show. now coming up, sentencing takes place tomorrow in sheffield following a five year investigation by officers from the national crime agency into the national crime agency into the grooming gangs in rotherham. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

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martin daubney on gb news. a five year investigation by officers from the national crime agency into child sex abuse offences against teenage girls in rotherham in the early 2000 is set to conclude tomorrow. and i'm joined now by our national reporter, charlie peters, who's outside sheffield crown court. charlie peters, a very, very emotional day of evidence today. you were inside the courtroom as two of those survivors gave their victim impact statements. astonishing testimony given charlie peters. tell us more . charlie peters. tell us more. >> well , after a 20 charlie peters. tell us more. >> well, after a 20 year wait for justice, a five year long investigation and a nine week long trial. today was the opportunity for those victims to give their impact statement, to tell the defendants directly how their actions had impacted them.

well, earlier this afternoon at sheffield crown court, those seven defendants arrived and sat in the dock. one required an urdu interpreter as the lead prosecutor, in this case, a barrister called nicholas lumley set out a summary of what the court had heard earlier in the yeah court had heard earlier in the year. after they were convicted for a string of child sexual offences in june of this year. he said that the complainants were preyed upon by the men. each of them, he said , were each of them, he said, were engaging in grooming and had aggressively forced the victims to engage in sexual activities. he said that the defendants denied the acts. they also denied the acts. they also denied knowing the complainants. some of them made that move in the trial. that meant that both of the survivors had to be cross—examined during the trial. he also recounted how each of the survivors during that investigation also had to pick

out the defendants. in a in a defendant and a perpetrator process, so that, he said, had extended the suffering that they had experienced as part of this harrowing and appalling ordeal. now, much of the abuse related to this trial and this case took place in the mid 2000, from 2003 to 2008. now the complainants were aged just 11 and 15 at the start of the abuse, and the court heard that the ncaa investigation established that some of the abuse took place in a car park, in supermarket car parks, in a cemetery. and in one shocking case, even by a nursery where primary school children were being looked after. now, dunng were being looked after. now, during this trial, we heard about the impact that the abuse had on the complainants, but today they had the opportunity today they had the opportunity to put that forward to the defendants themselves, who sat in the dock as one of the

survivors stood up and addressed them directly, reading her victim impact statement. she detailed how one of them had forced her to take a virginity test at the age of 11. they said that test at the age of 11. they said mawgww test at the age of 11. they said that virginity was disgusting. she described how she had been abused and raped by over 150 men. by the time she turned 16. she talked about the campaign of violence that she experienced. the trafficking throughout england from rotherham, where she was based, how her phone was taken away, threatened with violence, subjected to sexual acts and rapes from the ages of 11 to 16. and in her statement, she said i don't want to give you too much of my time. you've already had all of my childhood and the majority of my adulthood for years i've suffered and still do with flashbacks. she said that she sometimes gets a whiff of one of her abusers smells, and sometimes she still

hears their laughs. i wake up screaming from nightmares even when i'm highly medicated. this still happens just a portion of some of the suffering that she detailed in the court. in an extremely emotionally charged delivery, she said, you ruined my life. but i won't let you ruin my future. i'm a fighter and a survivor. i am thriving and a survivor. i am thriving and i am fighting. you can't and won't take anything from me ever again, she continued. 22 years ago, i started you started to groom me. ten years ago i started my campaign for justice. you stole my childhood and now i'm taking your freedom. i am your karma. she delivered those words as looking directly at all seven defendants. all of them who avoided to return her eye contact. many of them staring down at the floor or up towards the public gallery. that was packed with their family members. now those seven defendants who will be sentenced

tomorrow for a string of child sexual offences, are . mohammed sexual offences, are. mohammed omar, aged 42. yassar ajaib , 39. omar, aged 42. yassar ajaib, 39. mohammed zamir siddique , 49. mohammed zamir siddique, 49. mohammed zamir siddique, 49. mohammed sayyab, 49. abid sadiq, 43. tahir yasin, 38, and ramin bahrani, now after that first survivor gave her direct victim impact statement, there was a brief pause before the second impact statement was read out by one of the prosecuting barristers, while that other survivor watched on through a video link in a separate courtroom. she said your actions, which briefly satisfied your desires, have had a lifelong effect on me. i am a survivor and i am a fighter. i will continue to be strong and continue to seek justice. i am now in control of my life. she closed by saying you violated and humiliated me when i was a vulnerable child. now it's your turn to feel as i did again, as

those statements delivered by one of the prosecuting barristers, all of the men in the dock looking away, either at the dock looking away, either at the ground at each other or at their families , visible signs of their families, visible signs of emotion from within the dock was was seen. and the only other thing that was heard while those deliveries were made by the victim and by the prosecuting barrister, was the translation into urdu. otherwise it was a silent and emotionally charged courtroom. they will be sentenced tomorrow . all seven of sentenced tomorrow. all seven of those defendants and the judge here, his honourjudge michael slater, said that they could expect lengthy custodial sentences. we did have mitigating statements made by all seven defence barristers, but they all conceded that they were under no illusions as to what will happen here tomorrow morning . morning. >> joy peters, it's a very, very difficult thing to listen to. it must have been even harder for those astonishing survivors to have read out that to face face,

looking them in the eye, their abusers in the eye. charlie peters, you were there. do you think this is finally going to help those amazing young women find resolution? >> yes, i think they very much appreciate the opportunity to deliver the victim impact statements. and i've spoken to several other survivors from the rotherham abuse scandal who have had this opportunity to deliver them in court. of course, they don't need to take them themselves. many of them do not want to see their abusers ever again, but it has been delivered in these operation stovewood trials. that's the name of the operation that the national crime agency launched in 2018. it secured now well over 38 convictions, over 250 arrests. they've also identified some 1150 victims, all of whom they have tried to contact. understandably, because many of these girls and boys were let down so severely by the authorities at the height of the

abuse from 1997 to 2013. not all of them have cooperated with the nca, but it's undoubtedly the case that the nca, britain's fbi, has made a significant impact in securing justice for those victims. >> george bridges, thank you for that harrowing but vital report and i pray they get the resolution and peace they deserve tomorrow at that trial sentencing. thank you very much. charlie peters there from sheffield crown court. that's a harrowing way to end the show. but i think you agree their stories must be told. up next is dewbs& co. but first here's your weather. thank you. have a great evening . evening. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello. good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news. weather update. still a cold feel for the next day or so, but it will turn warmer into the weekend and it will also become much drier across western areas as high pressure is building in

for the end of the week from the west. we've still got this northerly wind though, bringing in arctic air for many areas through this evening, as well as a few showers inland at first. but overnight they will become more and more restricted to just the east coast, as well as just the east coast, as well as just the far north coast of parts of wales. to some of these showers across the east could still be heavy into this evening and bnng heavy into this evening and bring a risk of hail, but for many of us it is going to be a clear, dry and cold night tonight. rurally we could be down as low as minus one or two quite widely, and where we have seen some snow across the high ground in scotland, we could be down lower than that first thing. but there will be plenty of sunshine in the morning. so despite the chilly start, the sunshine should still warm things up quite quickly and the winds will be much lighter through tomorrow morning, so quite a pleasant start to the day. across the northwest though, parts of western scotland, northern ireland, we will start to see some cloud bubbung will start to see some cloud bubbling up through the morning and a risk of a few showers that is ahead of a weather front that is ahead of a weather front that is going to be spreading in from

the north—west through friday afternoon. you can see it here. so rain approaching parts of northern ireland later on in the day and the sunshine will turn much hazier across parts of scotland. elsewhere, though, plenty of long lived sunshine and with lighter winds, it will feel much warmer tomorrow compared to today. temperatures will still be a little below average in the mid teens for most areas. highs of 17 degrees at a max in the far south—east, but it's certainly warmer than it has been lately. now the rain across the northwest continues its journey into parts of scotland through friday evening. that will become a bigger feature as we head into saturday, so rainfall totals could start to build up across far north western areas, whereas dry weather will hold on across the south. as we look ahead to the south. as we look ahead to the start of next week. further wet weather in the north, but more dry and warm weather in the south that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . from boxt boilers. >> sponsors of weather on gb

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