sergianni and matthew stadlen tonight on the show. >> more deplorable attacks on the legacy of winston churchill raped women who want a female councillor are bigots. >> sir keir starmer. i'll tell you what, his approval ratings are dropping like a very heavy stone. >> yet more net zero madness as cumbria coal mine shuts down. >> the nhs desperately needs more money. >> it's 6 pm. and this is the saturday five. welcome to the saturday five. welcome to the saturday five, my friends. now, sir keir starmer. he promised his government would tread more lightly on our lives. well, if by lightly he means stomping on us like a rhino at a tea party,

then mission accomplished. honestly, i'm losing the to will live. but luckily we've got doctor renee, our queen of common sense, to keep my blood pressure under control as we plough through the latest lunacy. and then eunice will probably have me locked up faster than you can say, secure stalin for letting him spill the beans on his former religion on live telly. and next i've got my escape plan sorted out tonight. a dinghy in dover with will kingston, aka my australian visa consultant, ready to smuggle me into the land of kangaroos. will is the host of the brilliant spectator podcast fire at will. and finally, matt stadlen joins us. and i've told doctor renee to prepare the sedatives he so woke. i'm surprised he doesn't sleepwalk through life, but thank you, matthew, for your company. now each of you know the drill. each host outlines their argument about a chosen topic. then we all pile in and the fur starts to fly. and of course, we want to know your views as well. send your views

and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay. and don't forget your questions need to come in for ask the five. no topics are off limits apart from asking for eunice's number. it's happened before. but before we start tearing each other apart , start tearing each other apart, it is saturday night news with tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> darren, thank you very much. the top stories from the gb newsroom. a man allegedly sexually assaulted a woman on the same day he was released from prison under the government's early release scheme. it's understood he was released as part of the policy, which aims to ease prison overcrowding on its first day on tuesday. he allegedly re—offended in kent and was later arrested at an address in south london. he appeared at a magistrates court on thursday charged with sexual assault, and he's due to appear at crown court next month. he has been recalled to prison . in other

recalled to prison. in other news, the prime minister met with the us president last night to discuss strategy and tactics regarding ukraine and the middle east meeting at the white house in washington, dc. the pair sat down for talks that sir keir starmer described as long and productive. speaking afterwards, the prime minister also said that he and biden had reached a strong position regarding ending the conflict in ukraine. >> we've stood with ukraine. ukraine has a right to self—defence and we've stood united, not just with our allies here in the us, but across with our nato allies. that's very, very important to us. but today was about having the chance to talk not just about a particular step or tactic, but the strategy in relation to ukraine. but also we cover the middle east in some extensive detail and other areas across the world. so it was a really important occasion for us to have this chance to discuss with our allies. >> meanwhile, more questions have been asked about the government's decision to cut

winter fuel payments following a vote earlier this week. figures released by the department for work and pensions estimated almost 800,000 pensioners will miss out on the benefit under the new plans. of those set to lose the support, around two thirds have a disability and 83% are aged 80 or over. downing street says a full impact assessment of the change hasn't yet taken place. a rebellion could be brewing within the labour party following recent comments made by the prime minister around a ban on smoking outdoors at pubs. labour mp for newcastle upon tyne east and wallsend, mary glindon, has tabled a motion in parliament against her own party in order to try and block the potential plans in the motion. she praised the indoor smoking ban of two thousand and seven, but said existing ban outdoors could unduly restrict individual liberty . today unduly restrict individual liberty. today is the unduly restrict individual liberty . today is the first day liberty. today is the first day of the lib dem party conference in brighton, with the cost of

living, defence and veterans, climate change and, crucially, their plan to fix the nhs. just some of the topics on the agenda. earlier this afternoon , agenda. earlier this afternoon, party leader sir ed davey arrived at the conference on a jet ski. he is scheduled to speak at the event tomorrow, where a celebration is anticipated after his party won 72 seats in july's general election, their best ever result . election, their best ever result. well, someone who's been speaking at the conference today is the deputy leader of the scottish liberal democrats, wendy chamberlain. earlier, she told gb news about the need for parties to work together to tackle the broken nhs without sorting social care. >> and we've been very clear that we are keen to work on a cross—party basis to solve it because no matter what party is in power, social care is an issue that is not going away. but if you don't sort social care , you're not going to care, you're not going to fundamentally sort the problems within the nhs. keir starmer has said that fixing the nhs is a ten year job. said that fixing the nhs is a ten yearjob. he said that fixing the nhs is a ten year job. he won't be said that fixing the nhs is a ten yearjob. he won't be able ten year job. he won't be able to do that unless he keeps other

parties onside , so that we can parties onside, so that we can all do that, work together . all do that, work together. >> and the funeral of olympic athlete rebecca cheptegei took place in her home country of uganda this morning. the runner died earlier this month after she was doused with petrol and set alight by a former boyfriend. she had recently returned from competing in the paris olympics when the attack took place . and those are the took place. and those are the latest gb news headlines for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> cheers, tatiana. it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for a very lively show. let's crack on with

tonight's first debate. i'm going to abuse the position of the chair and kick off right now. we'll kick off in more ways than one, to be honest. according to the pollster ipsos, sir keir starmer's unfavorability rating has surged by eight points to 46%. that matches its high after labour's humiliating loss in the 2021 hartlepool by—election. i remember it well and this government well. they're busy cutting winter fuel payments for 780,000 pensioners, leaving a shocking number of disabled and elderly brits out in the cold. that isn't my words. they're from the department for work and pensions. but don't worry , pensions. but don't worry, they've decided against doing a full impact assessment, despite doing 1 in 2017 when it was rumoured that the tories were doing exactly the same as they're doing now . meanwhile, they're doing now. meanwhile, their bright idea for fixing overcrowded prisons has backfired spectacularly, with a man released already back inside

for allegedly sexually assaulting someone you couldn't make it all up, but hey, at least smoking and unhealthy food are next on the chopping block. a priorities. they're your priorities, aren't they .7 that's priorities, aren't they? that's what you at home care about banning smoking areas and unhealthy food on telly adverts. what more could britain possibly need? i'm at the end of my tether renee i need what have you got? sedatives wise. come on. >> i think sedatives is going to be the only answer. i think we're in for a very long, hard four years and nine months, however long it is. >> are you surprised at those numbers? >> i'm surprised that it's happened so quickly. i mean, look, when blair came to power, there really was an enthusiasm for him. and he he floated along on that enthusiasm for quite a long time. but starmer has just come in and sunk, as you rightly say, like a stone. i'm surprised it's happened so quickly . it's happened so quickly. >> well, i mean, you've been keeping an eye out on on everything that's been going on

in britain now, do you think, do you actually observe this as a bad government already? >> i think it's worse than a bad government. i think it's a dangerous government. you know, there is only one thing worse than an authoritarian. and it's a boring authoritarian. you know, at least some authoritarians in the past have authoritarians in the past have a bit of bravado about them. it's the combination of this authoritarian instinct mixed with the joyless, sad, grim negativity which i don't think you need from a leader in a time where you need to see a positive spirit to get us out of some of the mess that we're in. >> so you think his authoritarian will, but at the same time, presumably you'll be criticising him for letting prisoners out early. which is it? >> he did it. the wrong way. he should have just got ten the 000 odd prisoners who are from other countries and booted them out. there are more sensible ways to go about doing this. >> you can't just boot them out. we might all want foreign criminals to be deported if they came here as adults. that's one thing. but because there are agreements in place with other countries and those need to be

negotiated, because guess what? we live in a globalised world where we have responsibilities to other countries . to other countries. >> so what agreement do we have in place with the taliban ? so if in place with the taliban? so if an afghan commits a crime, you're saying we can't just deport them and put them there? >> well, if we were to deport someone back to afghanistan , someone back to afghanistan, then they might be tortured or killed by the taliban . and that. killed by the taliban. and that. well, it's my problem. i'm a british citizen, and i don't want to be deporting people even if they've committed crimes. i don't want to be deporting them back to countries where they might get executed or tortured. >> they tortured and raped a child. you still would care about how they were treated when they went home. >> i'd have them in prison for the longest possible time under our legal system. >> i'll give you a real world example. >> there was a guy that came here from afghanistan, was given 29 years for killing tom roberts, who was an aspiring royal marine, and he had been caught with a machete two days before, and the police just shrugged their shoulders and didn't do anything. evidently. now, the fact of the matter is, i don't want, as a taxpayer to have to fund him at his majesty's pleasure for the next

29 years. i actually think i don't give a what happens to him in afghanistan if you've murdered a british citizen, why the hell should you expect any so—called human rights and liberal values when you commit such an awful crime? >> but because we're still a civilised country, for example, we don't have the death penalty in this country, unlike, say, a country unlike a country, say, like iran, we don't stone people. unlike a country like , people. unlike a country like, say, saudi arabia. we don't chop people's heads off. that's a country, and that's a country i want to be in. it doesn't mean that i don't revile the crime that i don't revile the crime that you've been talking about. with every inch of my body, just as you do us you're from iran. >> do you see it? do you see the comparison matthew is making between. if we were to be more robust with foreign offenders and what iran does to its own criminals? >> yeah. well, i think we need to leave the echr because i feel like we have too many laws and regulations that stop us from deporting illegals or even having illegals in this country. and once they arrive at this

country and they commit a crime and they go to prison, it's almost impossible for us to deport them because of the laws that we have. and i think these laws are the ones that need to change. >> it's really interesting, though, isn't it, that i understand what you mean. of course, we're all humane and we don't want anyone to suffer. i don't want anyone to suffer. i don't want anyone to suffer in the world. but once they commit a hideous crime and they're in our prison service, i really don't care if we send them back to afghanistan, afghanistan or wherever they're going to go. i don't care if we send them back to america and they face the death penalty because that's the law in america. >> so i guess one of the differences between you and i, i think there are lots. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, eunice, do you actually think that that we ought to i mean, the fact of the matter is right, that we'll have a lot of people i agree with you on the echr, but the political will of politicians isn't there to do this either. otherwise we would have done it. germany, for example, is ignoring the echr currently. so you know, the likes of hungary, the likes of austria saying they agree with what hungary are doing , bussing what hungary are doing, bussing illegal migrants to brussels

potentially. so there are a whole host of examples throughout europe, but we're not following them. do you think this is a bit of a weak nation? >> it is a weak nation and we are seen as a soft target because people immigrate here from all kinds of extreme ideological backgrounds, from afghanistan, from syria, from even iran. some people, you know , even iran. some people, you know, eastern africa, and they come here and they see us as a soft target. so they come here, they take advantage of our welfare system, they take advantage of our nhs, they commit crimes, and they are caught with a machete . they are caught with a machete. the police doesn't do anything. so i feel like we need to be a lot more who commits crime? >> who commits crimes? you're saying all illegal migrants or all asylum seekers commit crimes or some? >> i didn't say that. i said that the fact that we are very soft, we need to be a lot more robust in our immigration policy. >> how are we not soft? >> how are we not soft? >> because we have laws in place and because we are a country with borders . and if you talk, with borders. and if you talk, if you if you talk to the men and women who are trying to keep

us safe in this country , they us safe in this country, they will tell you they are doing their absolute best. the fact that we can't simply pick up people, vulnerable people, many of them, i would say all of them by definition, if you're crossing the channel and then simply march them back to france because we have again, a relationship, a legal relationship, a legal relationship with france that would prevent us from doing that doesn't mean we're a soft touch. it means we abide by international law. we're not a soft touch at all. we are a strong country and we're a great country. surprisingly i will agree with matthew in that we are not a weak country, but this is a weak government, and that's something which people need to keep in mind. >> the last one didn't do anything and that was a weak government as well. >> we've had 20 years of bad government in this country. now there is a broader point. and you started here, darren, by saying, is this a government in freefall? and the fact of the matter is there is now several instances where they've got the opfics instances where they've got the optics of politics terribly wrong. when you saw prisoners being let out and suddenly being splashed with champagne as pensioners are being kicked, there is very obvious early signs that they struggle with the optics of politics as well

as the execution of very basic political issues . political issues. >> where would you put those prisoners up in hotels? well, no , prisoners up in hotels? well, no, i wouldn't let them out. >> and then i would change who we are choosing to let out, as we've just been talking about. >> but they were they were trying not to let it a seriously positive idea by the labour party that they'll put those who are left, who have left prison in hotels. >> i think i'd like to do home detention. yeah. and also, i mean, there are lots of other solutions. last week in kent, a man who has been caught for not the first time having child sex abuse images on his computer was let free by the judge because his counsel argued that he'd had a relapse because he was very stressed. but he had a job now, and if he went to prison, he'd lose his home and his job. now, i would say that instead of putting people in prison who have committed fraud, who have committed the crime of sending hurty tweets or whatever else it is, let's let's deal with them. >> let's punish them. what do you mean by a tweet? do you mean saying, let's burn down asylum hotels? is that would you classify that as a hurty tweet? >> no. ijust

classify that as a hurty tweet? >> no. i just think we've got our priorities in the wrong place. so we go after people on twitter that had a freedom of speech, but then we don't deal with illegals and we don't deal with illegals and we don't deal with crime, and we are seen as, do you understand that that speech is regulated in this country? yeah, it is, but you are still allowed to have an opinion based on facts. and i feel like what keir starmer is doing emptying prisons, letting dangerous criminals out and arresting people that said something controversial on it. >> do you feel unable to express your opinion freely on this show? no, no. okay, so we've got free. we've got we've got free speech. that's true . speech. that's true. >> that's speech. that's a specious argument. >> it is. yeah, yeah. he's obviously in a unique position. anyway. matthew, i believe it's your turn. >> would you like me to address the camera? yes, please. so my view is i don't know whether you saw this week this this shocking, but not surprising report that the nhs is in a crisis. i mean, it is in itself arguably on life support. keir starmer, the prime minister, someone who i wanted to become prime minister, says there should be no more , no more money should be no more, no more money without reforms. i think that's fantasy politics. i'll give you

a very good example. my wife gave birth almost two years ago in the hospital around the corner. saint mary's hospital, and the hospital was literally crumbling. the walls were crumbling. the walls were crumbling . it was a shocking crumbling. it was a shocking experience. there was a huge amount of kindness and a lot of skill from the professionals involved. however, the fabric of the building was literally crumbling. that for me is unacceptable in a country that i've already described as great. and yes, there of course are enormous reforms that i've no doubt need to be made. there may well be efficiencies that can be made, but if you think that you can reform a crumbling hospital rather than actually invest in a hospital, as the conservatives should have done, having had 14 years in power, then i'm afraid you and i disagree. >> well, renee, you're a doctor. >> well, renee, you're a doctor. >> i mean, there are so many places i could start on this, matthew. so firstly, the problem that most hospitals have now is the ones that have been

reformed, like let's say, for example, the royal london where i trained or uch, they have such large pfi mortgages which were instigated by major. but then accelerated by brown and bear to accelerated by brown and bear to a degree where they can't spend their money on anything else but their money on anything else but their massive mortgage that they have, and the contracts for their printers and everything else that came with it. the nhs is broken. you're right. >> and that's labour policy, isn't it? now it's official labour policy that the nhs is. they still won't fix it , but the they still won't fix it, but the nhs is broken. >> i don't think it's broken beyond repair. i think it is repairable and i think it is repairable and i think it is repairable to be free at the point of use. but in order to do that we have to do several things. we have to have an honest conversation with the pubuc honest conversation with the public about what it is they want to treat. the nhs is spreading itself so far and wide now across things that are not medical conditions, but they're lifestyle things that people would, such as ivf . yeah, ivf, would, such as ivf. yeah, ivf, trans medication for children that they don't need. they just need counselling . there's lots

need counselling. there's lots varicose veins that are unsightly, but they're not going to kill anyone. i could go on and on. so we need to have an honest conversation. we need to say this is the pot of money. this is what we do currently treat. what would you like to treat? and i would put cancer the elderly, children, long term conditions at the top of that list. >> it's very difficult argument to make to people who have relied on ivf. but this is the problem. that's an extraordinarily difficult thing to go through as a family. >> it is, i know, but i do know do you know, renee has a point, but so is the fact of the matter is, if you are more likely to die in this country in accident and emergency because you're stuck on a trolley, then you would be were you in a nation that spends less on its healthcare provisions, then surely we've got a priorities problem. >> and i think everyone on this on this panel would agree that we've got more than a significant problem. we've got a very significant problem. we've no doubt all of us had negative experiences. >> but but where is your evidence that more money is what will i've given you evidence very, very succinctly. >> which renee i'd like. i'd

like to know. yes, it did, it did it said i could no solution. know what it know? what it said was that buildings and technology were neglected because of tory austerity in the 20105. because of tory austerity in the 2010s. and let me ask you this question . how do you fix question. how do you fix a crumbling building without money? well tories increased what you do. >> what you do is we've got we've got more money in the nhs than we ever have. we're now up there with the top five gdp spends on the nhs. we've got 20% more doctors than we had before the pandemic and nurses. but what you need to do is use the money in the nhs properly and i can tell you because i work in it every single day. matthew, the money that is wasted is haemorrhaging from the nhs. should i give you some examples? yes, please. >> just to be clear, you are an nhs doctor. i'm an nhs, not a private doctor. >> i'm an. i don't do private tutoring. okay, so we've divided everything up, every speciality into hundreds of little silos. so psychiatry that used to be one thing is now lots of different things. the crisis

team, the six week intervention team, the six week intervention team, the six month team, the long term team. every one of those teams has its own building, has its own back office, its own secretarial staff, its own contracts for its printers. we're duplicating effort just about everywhere. when it's all be better to be one. in the hospital, i trained at the royal london when i went to a cardiac arrest call and took a blood sample from someone's wrist, i'd run to a machine that didn't fit the syringe i had because that contract was the machine on the next floor. >> but you appreciate there is a difference between day to day expenditure and capital expenditure, and we clearly need more capital expenditure. otherwise our hospitals will continue to crumble. >> coming to the end of this discussion. well, have you any thoughts on that? well, diversity and inclusion officers are very necessary. >> oh come on you had to slip that in on the list. you had to slip that in the end of the word. >> one thing i would slightly disagree with renee is i don't understand why a co—pay can't be part of this solution. even a small co—pay, which acts as a disincentive to go to the hospital. what is trivial? p put five bucks before you go to the

doctor, or you go to the hospital and it just disincentivizes people from going to get really small, minor things treated that aren't life threatening or close to being life threatening does. >> but the problem is, is really sick. vulnerable people just won't come. and actually, i believe that if you if you reform the whole nhs and decided what you were going to treat and got your priorities right, you'd free up enough money to fix the hospital. >> well said on that first point. very well said on that first point, if i may. so the rebuttal of what will was saying. >> i'm glad to bring you both together. all right. >> we'll end that one there. thank you very much, matthew. now, coming up next on the show, is this yet more sign of net zero madness, actually. well devouring the british economy. the high court of blocked plans to build the uk's first deep coal mine in more than 30 years, following campaigning from two environmental groups. this, and much more on the way with the saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you for your messages about tonight's topics. oh boy. oh boy, you're all, tetchy tonight. dylan says stop giving billions to other countries and build new hospitals, among other things instead. and dylan, we're sending £12 billion in climate aid abroad. barbara says tory austerity was caused by labour before 2010, and it wasn't even proper austerity unless you were a spoilt person growing up, matthew proper austerity, was it? >> it was. it was very painful austerity for the poorer people in this country who some of whom, it's argued, lost their lives as a consequence of it because of the failings of pubuc because of the failings of public services and because we deify the nhs. >> my cousin catherine says, my cousin works in the nhs. she knows how much gets wasted just from an admin and supervision point of view. yeah, so lots of views there. thank you very much for sending them in. right.

which reprobate is gone next. >> yeah. oh so marty , take it away. >> so more net zero madness as the cumbria coal mine shuts down. and we all know that long term, this will only put a strain on the consumer, because what we are doing is we are exporting our energy sources to countries like china, india and saudi arabia. so they stand to make all the money. and it's ironic for me that because we all live on the same planet, so exporting co2 emissions doesn't actually help the environment. i give you another example. we ban plastic straws and we move to paper straws. but paper straws are made out of trees and they don't really work. so i don't really understand this net zero policy because it's not doing us any favours. we are losing money and we are at the same time putting more strain on the consumer. so darren. consumer. so darren. >> consumer. so darren. >> yeah, i mean the what i would say to anyone who is on the green side of the argument,

right, and saying, oh my goodness, we can't possibly build a new coal mine, the first in what, 30 years? but the fact of the matter is you need coal to build steel for cement for heritage railway. there are so many ways in which we still need coal, not for the whole energy supply as it used to be, of course, but we still need it in limited scenarios where limited cements not all that limited, but still fairly important as well. yeah and the fact of the matter is that if you want to build those great big whopping wind farms , well guess what? you wind farms, well guess what? you need steel. you need cement. why not get the coal that you need for that here in britain instead of importing it from, dare i say, australia or russia? even worse , australia or russia? even worse, well and worse. and i don't know , well and worse. and i don't know, australia's going to be going. >> it's going in that direction. >> it's going in that direction. >> this particular coal mine was actually going to be the greenest coal mine on earth anywhere. it was it was going to be closed. it wasn't open casting. so it was going to be safe and it was going to be

providing what we're going to use anyway. and so we are now going to ship it in from all of these four countries. there's a massive and bigger cost to that. we are not going to see in 30 years time that we don't need coal. we are going to need coal. all of those other countries that eunice mentioned are rubbing their hands together in glee . saudi arabia is now making glee. saudi arabia is now making steel because we aren't. and with that, we're losing our jobs and our communities. >> the fact of the matter is, and the reason this is so annoying, this whole debate, is that it annoying, this whole debate, is thatitis annoying, this whole debate, is that it is symbolism. this coal mine, as with every other net zero initiative, will not make one ounce of difference to global emissions in the greater scheme of things. and therefore i do not understand. and matthew, i do not understand. and matthew, i dare say you may be the one to argue against me here. i've never heard a rationale for why you would put symbolism. >> i can speak on why. >> i can speak on why. >> why would why would symbolism be underwater? why would you symbolism to be underwater? >> why? >> why? >> why? >> why would you put symbolism ahead of everyday british people ? ahead of everyday british people? i do not understand it. just 1 or 2 quick thoughts on this. >> it is obviously true that to

the extent that we might be, as it were , exporting or importing it were, exporting or importing our net zero. so if we are importing goods here because we no longer make them here because we want to get to net zero by 2050, then that's not great. and there should be no deception in any of this. it all needs to be transparent and i'm sure it is. i was trying to look up some of the stats before we came on air, but the wider picture here is that if climate change continues in the way that it is, we all suffer . it in the way that it is, we all suffer. it might it might take longer for us in this country to suffer than it would say, as you say in bangladesh, which is very low lying and is at risk of going underwater, parts of it. but in the end, it is in all of our interests. and you talk about symbolism. will i accept that symbolism doesn't get you anywhere if it's empty? but in order to show global leadership, and i want britain to be a global leader who's going to

follow us, do you? >> we power plants. >> we power plants. >> we power plants. >> we have we have to hope so. but what we certainly can't do is we certainly can't get round the table with countries like china and impress upon them the importance of getting to net zero if we aren't doing our own bit. >> okay. i mean, this is what you say about human rights as well. oh, the uk's got to allow these criminals to come in. >> no, it's not. >> it's a very different argument and kill people in britain and then we can't get rid of them because we don't want russia to think we're mean and nasty. >> that's not that's not what i said. that's not what i said. >> the only argument i've ever heard, which is we need to be a global leader. >> and the one thing that has been proven over the last five years is that russia is that china couldn't care less what the west thinks. >> so we don't just put our head in our in the sand on this because climate change is real and it represents a risk to all of us. no, not so, says me. so says the overwhelming, overwhelming, overwhelming consensus of science on our planet says that climate change is not just real, but it is also happening. >> okay, so based on that point, on two points matthew has made

labour seat trans needs to be transparent on this . transparent on this. >> are they being transparent on it? i don't think they are. and secondly, where 1% of global co2 emissions, why are we killing ourselves in the name of this climate cult? >> i just think it's virtue signalling, because even the paris climate agreement, countries like america, uk, europe had to, you know , comply europe had to, you know, comply with the regulations. but then countries like china , india, countries like china, india, russia, saudi arabia didn't have to. so they stood to grow their economy exponentially. whilst we are going downhill. and i just don't think, look, when i came out of university, i believed in this whole environmental hoax. but the more i study it, the more i realised that it's actually nonsense. >> like renee you don't believe in climate change because look, you don't believe in man made climate change. >> i don't believe the fact that we have so much influence over it, because thousands of years ago, the global temperatures were two degrees higher. there was two ice ages. to think that humans emit so much co2. and as darren said, we are only 1% of global emissions. what are you

going to do about china? what are you going to do about two different arguments? >> it's really important. there are two different arguments, right? one is can we have an impact? and of course we are only about 1%. the question is whether we can lead the world or influence the world. if we don't do our bit. and i would argue we have to do our bit. but on your other point, you should you should read, you should read the overwhelming scientific consensus which says that climate change is real. you can sit here with no expertise and tell the viewers that it doesn't, that it doesn't exist. no, no. i'm sorry. well, this is an important point because i'm one against four here and i'm one against four here and i'm one against four here. no, i haven't made my point. >> clearly enough. >> clearly enough. >> there is a body of work there. we should all be overwhelming global consensus that that means that eunice's view with all due respect to eunice, means nothing. >> i have made that point, matthew. >> that's all right. >> that's all right. >> we've got a question from cassandra. cassandra says transporting coal from another country is more co2 intensive due to the use of co2 in transportation. yet the same amount of coal would be used, whether it mined locally or transported. so how does the refusal to open a new coal mine

in britain reduce co2? exactly matthew, as i've already said, we as a world face a crisis. >> we as a country are part of that crisis. we've got to do our bit. i have also said that it isn't good enough simply to cut back on our own, as it were, natively created emissions and then and then export or import some of them. it has to be joined up and it has to be transparent. >> so you would say to ed miliband, this is the wrong thing. >> no, no, i would not say that to ed miliband. >> i think it's probably the right thing to do because i think the signal and the symbol, to use will's word of the uk, which is committed to net zero, the symbol of us opening a new coal power plant, is negative . coal power plant, is negative. >> i can, i can, even if i was to— >> i can, i can, even if i was to accept that argument. this is about prioritisation. so if you prioritise the possibility that we may be a leader in climate solutions, whatever that means, compared with the very real and urgent impact that it has, that this has on everyday british people who are already

struggling to pay bills. this isn't necessarily about whether either argument is right. this is about prioritisation and we need to prioritise people who are struggling today. >> what is that impact? just spell out that impact. sorry. >> higher energy bills three words. >> so look al gore convinced. look al gore tweeted many years ago said in a documentary he made that by 2013, all the ice caps will be melted . greta caps will be melted. greta thunberg said. five years ago in 2018 that, oh, in five years time, the world will end if we don't do anything about the climate. so we had prediction of the prediction of the prediction that says, oh, the world is collapsing and none of greta thunberg said that the world would end in five years time. and she actually didn't. it's very funny. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> i'm not to here defend greta thunberg, but she's certainly not a scientist. >> but he's got his point. is this alarmist? >> no, but i follow the alarmism. >> and look what you are doing. you are sacrificing. you are sacrificing everyday people. everyday people have to pay a much higher fee for energy. and on a you know, premise that, oh, the world will end soon, so we all have to pay higher costs.

>> i never said the world will end soon. they said we're facing critical climate change and that we have to do something about this critical climate change. >> surely the world would. therefore we would all drown. >> no, it depends what you mean by the word critical. if you brought up bangladesh, if bangladesh did it give a very straightforward example since you teed it up. if bangladesh goes underwater because of climate change, it's low lying and sea levels go up. where do you think those people are going to want to live? >> in london and manchester collective, with the science that we end up using. so if we increase temperatures globally, then you have less cold deaths in the uk and there are more cold deaths by a factor of ten. oh come on. >> that's why we need fossil fuels. >> acceptable argument. we just choose not to pick that one because it doesn't suit the narrative. yeah indeed. >> right. coming up next, we'll be discussing how the trans chief executive of a sexual assault support service has had to stand down after a review found it failed to protect women only spaces. honestly, this story is horrific. you're with the saturday five live

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. it's time for our next debate. who's going with me? oh debate. who's going with me? on here we are. hold your horses. >> okay , so this week we've seen >> okay, so this week we've seen that misogyny really is showing its head again amongst the trans lobby at the heart of our institutions that really shouldn't have this debate. so the edinburgh rape crisis centre's ceo had to stand down this week after it was proven that there was an agenda within that there was an agenda within that organisation to almost re—educate women who wanted to know the sex of the counsellor who would be assigned to them just after they'd been raped. the most horrific thing a woman could ever go through. this went to court when an ex employee who showed gender critical views decided to question whether or not women should have the right to know the sex of the person

speaking to them, it was headed up speaking to them, it was headed ”p by speaking to them, it was headed up by somebody called meera wadhwa, who actually said that everybody could get raped. but when women showed bigoted views by asking for a female only counsellor, they would certainly treat them , but they would also treat them, but they would also challenge those views. this just shows that women's spaces now are not safe, even when they are at their most traumatised in life . life. >> i was shocked when i read this . this. >> i wasn't shocked, sadly, because i know the effect and the infiltration that this lobby has had. and i know how vile these men who want to be in women's spaces are, i really are. matthew, what do you think? >> i think that in a rape crisis centre, the overwhelming priority focus should be those who have been raped. i mean, i suspect that everyone watching this programme would agree with that. i think this is a very

delicate and very sensitive conversation, for obvious reasons. what i wouldn't do is try to cast trans people generally as desperate to get into women's spaces. >> i said the chance lobby , but >> i said the chance lobby, but you also said desperate to get into into women's spaces, and i would i would be almost certain that there are a lot of very, very good trans people who work across healthcare who only want to do good. >> this case sounds shocking, and as i say in women's spaces , and as i say in women's spaces, the priority has to be women , the priority has to be women, and even more so in a space where you're you're helping people who have been raped. >> well, i think everyone would agree with that. >> but the question is, matthew, do you think men ought to be in there? >> i'm not sure that's a particularly easy question for me to answer. i mean, when you say men, that's obviously highly offensive to trans women. i think you i think i think if you i think if you ask, i think if

you ask women, you'll get a very significant range of views on that. but i'm not. look, i'm entitled to a view because i think we all are. but i think the best place, the best place to answer that question is women. will. >> will. one of our viewers says, clive. good evening clive. he says men should never be anywhere near women who have been abused. it's a disgrace that men are there. i mean, you're a lily livered liberal. would you? do you not think? on live and let live. of course these men should be allowed to run rampant. i'm absolutely disgusted by it, to be perfectly honest. and i blame the snp actually, in a large part as well. they pandered and aided and abetted much of this and they let women down. >> i can't believe we're having this conversation. i just cannot believe it. and it goes to show how just sensible , common sense how just sensible, common sense things that you said. this is a difficult question, matthew. it's a very simple question. if there are women who are uncomfortable with men in a rape centre after they've just been raped, you do not put men in a

women's rape centre. >> why do you why are you calling them men? >> because they are biological men. >> yeah, but these are people who. these are people who . no, who. these are people who. no, no, i think you're using this as a and as i said, it's a very sensitive issue. i didn't necessarily it's a particularly difficult question. i said that women victims should be absolute focus in this in this particular scenario. but i worry that you are using this story, which is a shocking story , as a bat with shocking story, as a bat with which to hit trans women are mutually exclusive . mutually exclusive. >> you cannot have the feelings of trans people, men or women, and the feelings of women in this instance and have them both accommodated. so what you can do, make a choice, and the choice has to be with women. >> i really have to come back to that point, because you're saying people are using this as a tool with which to beat people. they said that after rotherham, they said that after girls were systemically raped, that actually they were it was being used as a tool with which to beat certain communities. now you're telling women who have

been raped and they have been put in a rape centre with men that they're potentially using. >> no, no, no, no excuse, no, no beat trans. you're entirely misrepresenting what i've said. no, no , you're no you're the no, no, you're no you're the host of this programme. yes, i am indeed . allow allow allow me am indeed. allow allow allow me allow me to have my response. and please don't mischaracterise or misrepresent what i said 2.5 minutes ago or two 25 seconds ago. i'll say what? i'll say it again right ? ago. i'll say what? i'll say it again right? well, no let's not. women, no women are the priority in this scenario. okay. overwhelmingly, what i'm saying is don't call trans women men because it's highly offensive to all biological men. >> no, no, the thing is, let's call them trans identifying males, because that's what they are. >> they're trans women. >> they're trans women. >> that's what they are. they're trans identifying males. it doesn't mean i think they should be in a rape centre. >> as i've made clear, women and the victims should be at the very heart of this. but let's not use this case as a stick with which to beat trans women at the core of this is that we cannot have trans rights .

cannot have trans rights. >> trumps women's rights. >> trumps women's rights. >> i haven't said that they should . okay, i've just said be respectful. >> righto, folks. still to come tonight. and this promises to gnnd tonight. and this promises to grind your gears. claims from a podcaster named daryl murray that winston churchill was the chief villain of world war ii. can you believe it? you heard that right ? find out more after that right? find out more after this. you're with the saturday five live

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. thank you very much for your company. now by process of elimination, because i'm a deeply intelligent person, there's only one person left. so i can only be. will kingston take it away? will >> strong powers of intuition. darren. ladies and gentlemen, we are used to the left trying to tear down western civilisation bit by bit . sadly, that instinct bit by bit. sadly, that instinct is now prevalent on the right.

this was on full display in an interview between tucker carlson and darrell cooper recently. i believe we've got a clip. let's see that that i thought churchill was the chief villain of the second world war. >> now, he didn't kill the most people. he didn't commit the most atrocities. but i believe and i don't really think, i think when you really get into it and tell the story right and don't leave anything out, you see that he was primarily responsible for that war becoming what it did, becoming something other than an invasion of poland . of poland. >> in addition to that, in addition to saying he was the chief villain of world war ii, he said he was a warmonger. he said he elongated the war unnecessarily . he said he was unnecessarily. he said he was a psychopath. this is all nonsense. of course , but it is nonsense. of course, but it is popular nonsense. millions and millions of people agreed with him online, including many on the right. and this is the problem. too many people on the right in the uk, in america, in australia have fallen out of love with their country. they

are not patriotic anymore . are not patriotic anymore. identity politics. the rise of the woke march through institutions has fried their brains sensible, everyday british people need to defend a positive vision of their history and that starts with defending their greatest hero, who is, of course, winston churchill . yes. course, winston churchill. yes. anyone dare disagree? i'm always sceptical when people start saying that we need to think something. >> i don't like being told what to think. but on churchill, the clip you've shown is utterly absurd. i personally find it quite offensive. i mean, i don't have a right not to be offended. my have a right not to be offended. my grandparents on my father's side, hitler tried to murder because they were jews in vienna. my grandfather on my mother's side got the military cross for bravery, for fighting hitler's forces. the idea that hitler, who tried and did kill 6 million jews and brought death across europe and not just across europe and not just across europe, but across the world. the idea that somehow churchill was the chief propagator of death in the

second world war is just a disgraceful thing to say. he's entitled to say it, but it's a disgraceful thing to say. and you talk about the right. i think it's very interesting you talk about the right. i mean, i don't know what this man i don't know who he is. i don't know what his politics are. but it is true that on the right in politics in america, and perhaps to an extent here, there are people who are sympathetic to putin and to what he's done in ukraine. and it goes hand in hand with conspiracy theories on the right in this country. >> who is on the side of president putin? >> well, let's hope that's true, but i wouldn't be surprised you just said it. >> so who is it that there aren't anyone? >> well, i don't know. i mean, certainly the tory party the sort of traditional hang on, the traditional tory party in this country do stand up to putin and i commend them for that. >> look, the great tragedy of all of this is that the woke left has created a woke right, who are similarly keen on breaking down our history, who similarly believe in the concept of identity. but it's not the concept of identity through racial groups. it's the concept of identity through, say, i'm a tucker carlson supporter, so i

have to believe everything he says or well said on that. >> i don't think it's the fault of the so—called woke left, but it's i think it's the fault of social media conspiracy theories. and i think tucker carlson is a dangerous force. >> i don't have very long. >> i don't have very long. >> sorry. >> sorry. >> i just think this is i think you're absolutely right. i think we're just trying to chip away at anything that might be good about our history. and churchill is a brilliant man. i'm sure he was also a very flawed man. and i'm all for teaching our children about the good and the bad in everyone. yes, so that they see things in reality, not how we want them. >> because it's dangerous to create heroes. churchill can have helped us win the war, but he was also a bigot and a racist. those two things can go handin racist. those two things can go hand in hand. >> creating heroes is essential. we need to cherish our heroes. now, you can't say winston churchill is a hero, then no one is a hero. he was a hero in the context of the second world war. >> he absolutely was. >> he absolutely was. >> i think every historical character is flawed and churchill was flawed. okay, but it took someone like churchill to go against hitler and defeat him. okay? and that's what it is. >> yeah, i agree, i agree. all

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matthew stadlen. plenty more to come tonight, including our big interview over whether the labour party, labour government, i should say, are hiding the immense costs of mass migration and the saturday scrap between will and matthew. on whether nigel farage should farage even should be banned from presenting his show on this very channel. don't say we don't push it to the edge. it's 7:00 pm and this is the saturday five. >> that's what i say. >> that's what i say. >> still to come in tonight . >> still to come in tonight. that question getting your responses actually is labour hiding the immense costs of mass migration? that's next. and we'll be answering your questions in ask the five. do send them through to gbnews.com forward slash yoursay. first of all though, it's his saturday night news with tatiana sanchez .

night news with tatiana sanchez. >> darren thank you. the top stories a man allegedly sexually assaulted a woman on the same day he was released from prison under the government's early release scheme. it's understood he was released as part of the policy, which aims to ease prison overcrowding on its first day on tuesday, he allegedly reoffended in sittingbourne in kent and was later arrested at an address in south london. he appeared at a magistrates court on thursday charged with sexual assault and he's due to appear at the crown court next month . at the crown court next month. the prime minister met with us president joe biden last night to discuss strategy and tactics regarding ukraine and the middle east, meeting at the white house in washington , dc, the pair sat in washington, dc, the pair sat down for talks that sir keir starmer described as long and productive . speaking afterwards, productive. speaking afterwards, the prime minister also said that he and the us president had reached a strong position regarding ending the conflict in ukraine. >> we've stood with ukraine.

ukraine has a right to self—defence and we've stood united, not just with our allies here in the us, but across with our nato allies . that's very, our nato allies. that's very, very important to us. but today was about having the chance to talk not just about a particular step or tactic, but the strategy in relation to ukraine. but also we cover the middle east in some extensive detail and other areas across the world. so it's a really important occasion for to us have this chance to discuss with our allies. >> more questions have been asked about the government's decision to cut winter fuel payments following a vote earlier this week, figures released by the department for work and pensions estimated almost 800,000 pensioners will miss out on the benefit under the new plans of those set to lose the support around two thirds have a disability and 83% are aged 80 or over. downing street says a full impact assessment of the change hasn't yet taken place . a rebellion yet taken place. a rebellion could be brewing within the

labour party following recent comments by the prime minister around a ban on smoking outdoors at pubs. labour mp for newcastle upon tyne east and wallsend, mary glindon, has tabled a motion in parliament against her own party in to order try and block the potential plans. in the motion, she praised the indoor smoking ban of two thousand and seven, but said extending the ban outdoors could restrict individual liberty and today has been the first day of the lib dem party conference in brighton, with the cost of living, defence and veterans climate change and, crucially, their plan to fix the nhs are just some of the topics that have been on the agenda today. earlier this afternoon, party leader sir ed davey arrived at the conference on a jet ski. now he's scheduled to speak at the event tomorrow, where a celebrations anticipated after his won party 72 seats in july's general election. that's their best result ever. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez.

i'll be back in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thanks, tatiana. it's saturday night, my friends, and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for another very lively hour. we're going to crack on with tonight's big interview. now, the conservative mp neil o'brien wrote a piece for the telegraph questioning how transparent this government is over the cost of mass migration. he raised questions over how many of the people in our jails entered the country illegally. are people from some countries more likely to get arrested in britain than others? and how much do they pay in tax? do you have a right to

know all of that? these are the questions we want answered . so questions we want answered. so to discuss this, i'm pleased to welcome the research director at the centre for migration control, robert bates. robert, did you agree with the piece generally on what? that neil o'brien, the conservative mp actually said, do you think this labour government is deliberately obtuse, shall we say, on the issue of migration? i mean, it wasn't too long ago that they said on day one they would prioritise the hiring of someone to lead up their border command control. and actually, well, that ain't happened yet, has it? >> yeah. so i thought the piece by by neil o'brien was hitting the nail on the head. i think he outlined really the absolute day to desert that we are currently deaung to desert that we are currently dealing with when it comes to trying to explore the huge costs that mass migration is imposing on britain, not just on our economy, but also on our society and our communities as well, the centre for migration control has put a piece out today where

we've tried to cobble together and ascertain exactly how many foreign national arrests have taken place in the last 12 months. and it's a hard slog to actually get your hands on this data. and that is ultimately something that's going to become increasingly difficult under the labour party, because , let's labour party, because, let's face it, the political establishment for far too long in this country haven't been prepared to mark their own homework when it comes to how much damage they are actually inflicting. by letting in over a million people each year. and i think the british public are increasingly sick of being lied to on this subject. and without the data, there are, they're left ultimately having to trust politicians. and i think , you politicians. and i think, you know, that's a fool's errand to have to trust politicians at this point. >> well, two points from that, then, robert, the first point would be, well, the conservatives weren't exactly much better than the labour government, were they ? and the government, were they? and the second point would be, do you think this is all deliberate? right is there a deliberate obfuscation of the of the facts and the truth around these issues? because of i don't know, they'll say, inflaming tensions or whatever else? >> well, you're absolutely right

that the conservative party were next to useless as well. i don't think they can really, purport to have ever really, you know, in the last ten years, ever really been hard line on on the immigration issue? i think it's not really a kind of conspiracy. i think it's probably more likely to be the result of a kind of, establishment assumption that the mass migration experiment will be bringing these inevitable economic benefits. and if you look at the kind of organisations that politicians too often defer to, such as the obr and the migration advisory committee, they're repeatedly told that, you know, this is this is what the country needs. we do need more people coming into the country. so i think it's more of a sense of, of complacency and a sense that we don't need to mark our own homework on this because we know we've got the answers right. we're seeing in other countries across europe, norway and sweden and denmark, apologies, who are actually now trying to finally get to grips with the data and the costs that do come with mass migration, and it's greatly enlivened the debate. and they've actually been able to,

you know, start conducting some pubuc you know, start conducting some public policy discussions that are moving their countries in the right direction. we don't have the same luxury here at the moment, unfortunately. >> rob, just before i throw it out to the panel, the office for budget responsibility, which the labour government is going to enshrine in law, has the final, you know, sign off of the of the budget and whatever else to avoid a liz truss disaster, as they put it. >> do you actually think that the obr forecasts, which forecast between 300 and 400,000 people coming here, net every single year as the new normal? do you actually think that that will be used as an argument to produce net. well, economic growth, despite the fact that the ons figures actually said that the least well paid migrants are well, they aren't contributors to the british economy in fact, they take out more than they put in. >> so the obr has never been able to correctly forecast how many people will be coming into the country. and they've also

repeatedly made huge, huge assumptions about the economic value that migrants do bring, often assuming that those coming in are earning above the average. the average british salary. and, you know, the report that they put out earlier this week clearly shows an attempt for them to recalibrate the way they approach this, this issue , showing that low skilled issue, showing that low skilled migrants are a net cost on the country over the whole course of their lifetime. 150,000 before they even reach pension age , but they even reach pension age, but they even reach pension age, but the obr still has a lot to do. i mean, it doesn't really calibrate the fact that 70% of those that come into the country as working migrants are actually earning less than is needed to make a fiscal benefit of a contribution to the treasury. so the obr is moving in the right direction, but it couldn't really be considered to have hit the nail on the head just yet. yeah. >> well, yeah, the only thing that's surprising about this to me is how unsurprising it is. i remember reading this sort of data in douglas murray's stranger death of europe about a decade ago . obviously, there is

decade ago. obviously, there is a disconnect between the facts and then policy outcomes. how do we actually start to bridge that gap and actually start to see some real, tangible solutions in the political realm ? the political realm? >> well, a start would be to reverse some of the changes that the conservative government did do to our data collection. we now don't know how much in tax is actually paid by, by migrants. we don't actually know how much they're claiming in in benefits, we can make assumptions and best guesses. and, you know, we saw that a couple of weeks ago. it came out that there's 1.69 million migrants that are unemployed or economically inactive. so we have kind of shadows on the wall. but without a wholesale reform of the way we treat this data, then it's very, very difficult to see how the conversation does move forward. >> yeah . yeah. >> yeah. yeah. >> yeah. yeah. >> so i just okay. so basically i feel like this whole mass migration experiment has failed, especially in the uk and western europe. and yeah, you might have higher gdp, but actually your gdp per capita is getting lower and lower because we have, you know, mass migration and they

get employed for suboptimal salary levels and they drive down the salary. so the gdp per caphais down the salary. so the gdp per capita is actually decreasing and not increasing, even though there is an increase in gdp. well there's more people. that's why there's an increase in gdp. and as we've said , you know, and as we've said, you know, when douglas murray speaks about the strange death of europe and the strange death of europe and the attack on the west, i feel like mass migration is the sole cause of that. >> i mean , look, heaven help us >> i mean, look, heaven help us if we didn't have migration. i mean, who's going to wipe darren's bottom in his old age? we it's a serious point. we desperately need migrants to this country. because without them, for just example, this country. because without them, forjust example, our them, for just example, our social care system would be an even bigger trouble than it is at the moment. our nhs would be an even bigger trouble than it is at the moment. i don't think what you've mentioned there is this report out this week said that net contributor wise, the average migrant worker puts in more to the economy overall net than the average uk worker. and

thatis than the average uk worker. and that is an extraordinary statistic. and it doesn't surprise me when we have guests of the calibre of will and you on this show. it doesn't surprise me because immigration is in many ways an essential to our country. right. >> let's see what rob says. >> let's see what rob says. >> hang on. >> hang on. >> he committed an act of grave folly there. the obr report doesn't actually say that the average migrant is making a net contribution. they said that those migrants that are earning the average wage of the british population are making a net contribution. and as i said earlier, they're a tiny proportion of those that are currently coming into the country. the report that you cite, the obr report, there doesn't actually make the claim that you've just suggested. >> so hang on, who's going to wipe my bottom? as matthew so elegantly put it? >> well, we've got nine, 9 million economically inactive people in this country already. i don't think by bringing in more people, a lot of whom we are now seeing as well are actually going into work. i mean, people do come in on the health and social care visa, maybe work in the in the sector for a few years, but then they go on to do other things. so the idea that it's a long term solution to the health and

social care crisis is to just we've got an ageing population. >> we're getting older as we're not having enough children. as someone on this panel has already said, and these people are not coming in to here exploit us, they're coming in here to work, to contribute to society. you may not like them for whatever reason, but they are contributing and they are contributing in a big way. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> many, many of them, many of them are not. and this is the point. you make this kind of rhetorical sophistry to say, oh, migration is a good thing. not many people are going to argue with you. the point is how many we take in, how quickly we take them in. and most importantly, should we not have taken it where they are coming? >> who should we not have? >> who should we not have? >> we should not take in people that are going to keep the wages of carers low. if we stop them coming in the carers will have to be paid more so that they want to wipe darren's bottom when he's old. >> and where's that money coming from? >> oh, that will come from the efficiencies that we can make. >> hang on. >> hang on. >> let's let's here rob let's here rob. >> these huge care companies that are hiring young people and simply shirking their

obugafions simply shirking their obligations to the young british population by paying themselves huge dividends each year. i think a better solution would be to get people into it, to get british people into the health and care sector would be to start properly investing in them, and encouraging those companies to actually invest in them, rather than just paying themselves out millions, if not billions each year. >> so raising wages, paying nurses more, paying doctors more. i'm all for that. i've got to tell you, it's not what nurses and doctors are, it's carers. >> yeah, indeed. >> yeah, indeed. >> carers absolutely pay them more. i mean my, my family have relied when my dad was dying on, on, on end of life care and every single person there were about 30 people involved in it to this day who i'm grateful to. every single one of those people, like these two guys was not born in this country. we need them. >> yeah, exactly. i'm an immigrant myself, so i'm not saying i'm against immigrants, but then the question is, how many immigrants? if you're going to take millions of people every single year, that's not sustainable. the government's not contribute to the government's not suggesting. >> there are a lot of people that are not the government's, not a lot of brits who are not, as we've also suggested. >> so let's not blame immigrants. let's get citizenship, let's get brits

working. let's get them into working. let's get them into work if we can. >> that's what rob is saying. >> that's what rob is saying. >> we've got 9 million inactive and that's what starmer is trying to do. >> rob. yeah. >> rob. yeah. >> rob. yeah. >> rob can i ask a question on this? do you feel that the change of government is going to make it more likely that we a get the information and b are able to discuss it or less likely, well, i don't think that the current government could make the situation much worse when it comes to the data, >> i think ultimately we are at the moment having to really scrabble around with very, very, very meagre offerings. i think with their approach to immigration, obviously they did promise in the manifesto that they would bring net migration down. they've inherited a situation from the conservative government where the numbers are dropping somewhat, but i don't think for a second that they have any intention to reverse the 30 years that we've seen of mass migration with net migration running at hundreds of hundreds of thousands and just to go back to a point we were discussing previously, only 15% of those that came came into the country over the last two years. have actually come in for work reasons. a predominant number of them have come in as family

members, dependents and the study. so this fallacy that's perpetuated that every single migrant is coming in, filling a role that is otherwise going to go unfilled and is making a huge economic contribution, just does not stack up. >> rob, you, you pick me up on something. let me just quickly say you picked me up on something earlier. i'm looking at the graph now. the average wage migrant worker contributes more net than the representative uk resident . more net than the representative uk resident. that more net than the representative uk resident . that tells us uk resident. that tells us something, doesn't it? >> the average wage? >> the average wage? >> yes. >> yes. >> it's not the average migrant worker. >> no, it's the average wage. >> no, it's the average wage. >> yes. >> yes. >> right. yes. >> right. yes. >> a migrant earning the average wage. yeah. >> so migrants migrants contribute an enormous amount to our country. you'd agree with that, rob? >> well, you can just keep saying that, matthew. but the statistics we're trying to talk about here are showing that, you know, 70% of those that came into the country last year are earning less than they need to make a positive economic contribution. >> all right, rob, thank you very much for your time and for the panel being able to contribute there as well. >> robert bates, the research director at the centre for migration control. check them out. right, folks? we're going

to take a quick break now . but to take a quick break now. but after the break, ding dong gloves on because we're going to have the saturday scrap. find out what that's about. with will and matthew going head to head, gloves off. yeah, right. >> with the saturday five

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always. thank you very much for your messages about tonight's topics. earlier in the last hour, we were discussing the coal mine and the net zero ban on said coal mine at the high court. claudette said so much for , well, the transparency much for, well, the transparency around net zero as well. i mean, it's pretty obvious , right, that it's pretty obvious, right, that this is a blanket ban on anything that produces energy that isn't a wind turbine or a solar panel . jermaine says. it's solar panel. jermaine says. it's ridiculous. we have the opportunity to mine for coal that can give employment. we need to be using our own natural

resources . and on the nhs point resources. and on the nhs point that we discussed earlier, john says the nhs does not need more money, it needs culling of the made up jobs management, diversity managers, woke ideology, illegal immigrants using the nhs, rectifying treatment for those who go abroad, for cheap vanity procedures that go wrong. the list could go on and on. well, john, i'm pleased to tell you that doctor renee has now made you the chief director of the national health service in england. so congratulations, john. now we're going to get on to something quite exciting. it's time . indeed. it's time for it's time. indeed. it's time for tonight's main event. now, a parliamentary committee has set out a memorandum outlining key aims to what they say is driving up standards in parliament and to improve the culture and working practices and reform, for want of a better word, the

chambers proceedings. but this could mean our very own nigel farage could be banned from his presenting gig here @gbnews. and of course, lee anderson . so of course, lee anderson. so should nigel farage be banned from presenting because he's an mp? well, will kingston and matthew stadlen are going to have this out and debate this. so ding ding folks , seconds out. so ding ding folks, seconds out. it's round one will. we'll let you take it away. >> my argument is very simple. and it is not just because nigel is wonderfully entertaining. tuesdays, wednesdays, thursdays, 7 pm. on gb news. check it out. got the plug in? it is because more communication from politicians is fundamentally a good thing . that means more good thing. that means more accountability towards politicians is a good thing. but also more direct communication in the way that nigel communicates is a good thing. we know that much of the mainstream media has an agenda. we know that they warp facts. we know that they warp facts. we know that they warp facts. we know that they have political objectives which they seek to

distort. what politicians say for their own ends by giving farage the ability to speak directly to the people. you know what his priorities are. you know what his policies are. you get to hold him to account in a more adequate way. we need to encourage more politicians to do this, not less. >> i know nigel personally a little bit because we're both presenters on lbc at the same time. i was always interested to talk to him. he was interested to talk to me because i'm someone who believes in understanding what those who very strongly disagree with think. i also think that he is an effective, a very effective, actually broadcaster. i thought he was very good on the radio. in many ways. i thought he was a very effective communicator on gb news. i would happily go on his show and tackle him on his views. however, it's a very important principle of democracy. the separation of powers. so the separation, for example , of our legislative body example, of our legislative body from our judicial system . and it from ourjudicial system. and it is also important to keep separate the so—called fourth estate, to not blur the lines

between our politics, between our politicians and our journalism and our journalists. journalism and ourjournalists. and i've been on not nigel's show, but i've been on jacob rees—mogg show, i've been on lee anderson's show, and i'm happy to do so. while they exist, because i think they need to be challenged. and i think i can effectively challenge them. however, it is absurd that they are interviewing me rather than me or some otherjournalist me or some other journalist interviewing them. they have a degree of power. they are elected representatives. the way to hold them to account is to get them on shows, being interviewed, not having them interviewed, not having them interview others. >> well, number one, the separation of powers is a completely different concept and doesn't include the media. but the second point is an analogy. and that whole point there, i didn't hear a single harm of this. of what? what? as a result of nigel farage hosting a show, i heard kind of some vague principles i actually didn't hear what is actually wrong. what is the harm with doing this? it's very obvious what the benefits are. it's very obvious the idea of direct accountability. i can't see any real harm of this proposal. >> in what way is he directly

accountable? by having the power of his own show, where he gets to interview other people. and by the way, this doesn't just go . by the way, this doesn't just go. question will answer the question because it blurs the line between journalism and politics. journalists should be holding power and our elected representatives to account, not the other way round. and i would just say this as well. it doesn't, to my mind, extend just to reform uk mps. obviously not david lammy, someone i consider a friend of mine, someone i was also a presenter with or before on lbc. i don't believe he should have had his own radio show, so it absolutely has to be fair across the board , blurring fair across the board, blurring the lines again is not a harm. >> and again, if you want to talk about blurring, why don't you think it's a harm? journalists have been blurring the lines with politics now for the lines with politics now for the last 20 to 30 years. i think the last 20 to 30 years. i think the whole idea that we have these separate estates between media and politics is a furphy , media and politics is a furphy, there was, but i just don't again, i don't see where the problem is here. i really, really don't. >> all right, well, take it out

to the panel now , will you let to the panel now, will you let us know at home who you thought won that one? renee >> matthew, would you extend this to newspaper columns? >> arguably. but our newspapers operate in a different way in this country because they aren't regulated in the same way and to the same extent that our television and radio industries are. so, for example, a newspaper like the times or the guardian, whatever your choice of politics is , they're fully of politics is, they're fully entitled to be political . tv entitled to be political. tv stations are not supposed to be political, whether that's the bbc, sky news, gb news or whatever or whatever else gb news is definitely blurring those lines. but so far ofcom has said go ahead. >> tv stations are not meant to be political. i thought only the bbc just, i thought only the bbc was not meant to be a misunderstanding of the rules. >> itv are bound by the same rules as is gb news, although in the case of gb news it's a bit blurred because there's a question as to whether it's a news channel or not. >> so's channel 4 news. indeed,

michael crick, who sometimes comes on this channel who was as you well know, involved with channel 4 news for many years before that, the bbc, he says himself that in the later years of his career at channel 4 that they were incredibly biased, especially during brexit and all these others. >> and i'll answer that very quickly. i think to some extent that's a fair point. and you've represented what michael has to say. he's entitled to that view. my say. he's entitled to that view. my instinct would be, but i didn't watch a huge amount of channel 4 news that it was probably gently left leaning, hugely biased. i don't think that's fair. what about. but the point i'm making is this has to be rigorously fair. this isn't just about farage or lee anderson, it's also about david lammy. i mean, why why should angela rayner, for example, the deputy prime minister? i don't know whether she should be given an opportunity on lbc. i think she has in the past. why should she has in the past. why should she be given a radio show? even as a stand in? she's a deputy prime minister. we should be holding her to account, not giving her that power, i would argue. >> but you buy radio, you hold

her to account by voting, but also you hold her to account by listening to each week. >> can i make one broader point? and that is politics has been so dumbed down. politics and policy ideas are not discussed in the way they once were. we should celebrate politicians getting out in public and having discussions and having debates, having conversations and not hiding away. >> i think i think you're mixing two things there. >> let's let eunice go. >> let's let eunice go. >> i just think more exposure by politicians is a good thing, not a bad thing. the more we know what a politician thinks, the more we get them exposed. >> sunlight is the best disinfectant. >> exactly. and i think it's not a there's no harm having politicians having their own programme because they will expose themselves all the time, whether they're being interviewed or whether they're literally. and i don't think it's a bad thing. and i was reading about this other thing that, oh, you know, nigel farage earned so much money from gb news, i guess. what's the problem with that? i don't have any problem with politicians. i can tell you, rich or and as a matter of fact, i feel like career politicians that hide or actually end up being more corrupt than the ones that expose themselves. i think it's a good thing to have more

exposure for politicians. >> while the law is that nigel farage can have his own television show, not only do i have no interest in how much he earns, but good luck to him. if he earns a lot of money, that's fine. i'm saying that it is an absurd position where someone like me would go on nigel's show and be interviewed by someone who is an mp . and be interviewed by someone who is an mp. it and be interviewed by someone who is an mp . it should be the who is an mp. it should be the other way. it should be i can, and that's why i do it. but it should be the other way round. >> okay. so matthew, let me ask you this very simple question. then you appear on nigel's show. right? nigel is only ever well, i haven't actually been asked on his show, but i would go on it if i were asked it. fine. well, when you appear on this channel, then in particular, and everyone that i've seen on nigel's show, there are left wing leaning people on every night, on every night he's on air. he always hears them out. he always hears their side of the argument. he never offers a party line or anything like that. he is professional. >> he doesn't offer a party line. you don't think that that his monologues are in sync with his monologues are in sync with his party, which he leads, which is a uk party representing 4

million people? >> well, they'd argue that about carol. >> carol vorderman offering an opinion every two seconds. >> she's not an mp, that she's not an mp. >> there are wider questions to ask as to whether the business model of lbc, where i work for years, and gb news, whether the business models are appropriate or not, i happen, i have, i happen , i happen to think that happen, i happen to think that gb news has a very effective and successful formula. i also think that lbc has the same. it's a different one and i think there may well be a space for it. certainly while it exists, i will come on a right wing channel because i think you would call it a right wing channel, and i would try to hold those on it. i would try to well, there's only one left leaning person on this panel, and i would continue to come on it. you challenge. yes, you have. and that's why i come on it to challenge ideas and to hold to account. i just don't think it's right for politicians to be trying to hold journalists to be trying to hold journalists to account. they should be the other way round. >> okey dokey. >> okey dokey. >> we'll leave that one there. thank you matthew, and thank

you. will. now coming up next, we've got the bunch of five where we'll discuss things from reform uk being the real opposition party. that's not from nigel farage, but eunice and a sexed up prue leith . and a sexed up prue leith. didn't think i'd be reading that out anytime soon. but with the saturday five

welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your emails about tonight's topics, the were toby says where in the uk can actually people who are minded to watch someone like somewhat a channel like gb news tune in and hear those views anywhere else. you know that and that's a fair point. i think you know, the plurality within the media choice within the media, i think is a good thing. and actually that's what the regulator is supposed to. >> well, nigel farage has been on question time an extraordinary number of times for someone who hasn't until the last two months, actually been an mp because he's the only right wing person that they'll

have on with a panel of four other people, or is it three other people, or is it three other people? >> sorry. are you saying the conservative party is not right wing? >> my point is no. nigel farage, nigel farage, who i think it sort of is the figurehead in many ways for gb news has many, many, many times been on the bbc. >> well, sheila says, i think it's a good thing for mps to be on tv. not all journalists represent the people and they need to be held to account. and then sally says i think matthew should be banned instead from gb news now though, it's time for this. >> all right. well, it's well, first i told you yes. >> after all that. >> after all that. >> all right, should i start? no. >> it's real. i'll. >> i'll, i'll order. >> i'll, i'll order. >> order, >> order, >> that great political scientist, taylor swift , has scientist, taylor swift, has entered the american presidential campaign. she has thrown her support wholeheartedly behind kamala harris, the left don't learn, do they? this will backfire on the

left . everyday people are sick left. everyday people are sick and tired of woke celebrities telling them what to do and how to think . if this moves the to think. if this moves the needle at all, it will be a net vote winner for donald trump . vote winner for donald trump. >> yeah, if it moves the dial at all. i mean, are people really going to take their political advice from taylor swift? sadly, i think they probably will. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it's unfortunate because we have kamala harris i don't think has enough charisma. and she always gets like other celebrities to endorse her. >> so she has the brat brat . >> so she has the brat brat. >> so she has the brat brat. >> yeah, yeah. and then she also has megan thee stallion that comes on stage and starts twerking before her shows. and i find that extremely cheap. and i feel like donald trump is fighting the system, right? unfortunately, we're apparently messing up the order tonight, so i'm going to get confused naturally. >> but eunice, it's you next. >> but eunice, it's you next. >> am i not allowed to come back on this trump issue , on this trump issue, >> this is a fire round. >> this is a fire round. >> well, just in two sentences, i very much hope that taylor swift does not have an influence on the us election. but i would

also remind people that literally one of the candidates is a billionaire celebrity who is a billionaire celebrity who is running to be president. >> it's one individual. >> it's one individual. >> and if there's been one lesson of the populist revolts of the last decade, they are uniquely capable of understanding common people . understanding common people. >> okay, two billionaires, billionaires, celebrities . billionaires, celebrities. >> we've got a lot of other people in. >> quick, quick, quick. >> quick, quick, quick. >> okay. so is the reform party the official opposition to laboun the official opposition to labour, because we only have people like nigel farage and richard tice asking the tough questions in the house of commons. and we almost feels like rishi sunak is always on holiday, or he's asking soft questions and as always said this, i don't think the conservative party is conservative anymore. they are either centrist or centre left and we have the uni party now and we have the uni party now and reform is the only opposition. and you can see that by the questions that reform mps ask, such as two tier policing. so darren, what do you think. >> yes , i think actually there >> yes, i think actually there have been pretty good in parliament and i do think the conservative party has been nowhere to be seen. >> you know, when it was in the

press that all the cronyism of labour appointments within the civil service had come out through those who had made donations to the party. the tories didn't comment on it. i saw no comment from the conservative party on that. where is the accountability for this government holding their feet to the fire, the opposition? and i think five mps are doing the best job because, as matthew said earlier, to me, the lib dems are to the left of the lib dems are to the left of the labour party right now. >> what i would say is that if certainly if you look at social media reform uk are shouting the loudest, i mean they are dominating that sphere as far as i can see, at least on twitter or on x, compared to the conservatives who are embroiled in this disastrous leadership election, which is going to get them nowhere. but the idea that robert jenrick, who is too extreme for rishi sunak's policies , the idea that he's policies, the idea that he's centre left or even tom tugendhat, who is supposed to be the sort of left candidate within the tory party for the leadership, who wants to drag us out of the echr. the idea that he's centre left, i mean, i'm

almost lost for words, but you've summed it up, really, this is the problem, that everything has been dragged so far to the left. >> now that everything else looks far right. >> yeah, anywhere to the right of jeremy corbyn makes you feel just right. >> just. >> just. >> just. >> just call a duck a duck if it quacks like a duck. if it looks like a duck, it's far right. >> well, i would, matthew, but if i, if i did, i don't think ofcom would too be pleased. >> right. i've got prince george, his royal highness, and he has been learning to fly this week . he's 11 he has been learning to fly this week. he's 11 and he's been up in the air, taken after his father and his father before him . father and his father before him. and actually, i think this is a lesson for britain and for parents out there. right? he is of course a royal, but maybe we can't all afford to teach an 11 year old to fly, and all the rest of it. but what we can do is actually allow young people to take risks, to learn things. i think there's far too much society in society today are wrapped in cotton wool . that is wrapped in cotton wool. that is making a generation of kids who

are too scared to pick up the telephone. i'm not joking. poland says that it's scared to pick up the telephone, scared to interact with people, and that's going to really hold them back . going to really hold them back. so i say, more power to you. and actually , we all ought to take a actually, we all ought to take a leaf out of the royals book 100%. >> i mean, i see this in my day to day work. i see teenagers that are scared of their own shadow now because mummy's always helicoptered in and sorted out their problems for them. we need to let our children take risks so that they can modify their actions. and when they go into the big wide world, when they face you know, even someone telling them that they can't be late for work, they can't be late for work, they don't crumble. and cry. >> yeah, well, unfortunately, the royals have put also an example out there on the other side of the spectrum where mike tindall and zara phillips have slapped an air tag on their kid to make sure that they can be monitored at all times. so i think the royals, the royals aren't aren't guys. >> as a young parent, i'm not young, but my son is young. i really think it's a balance. he's at one extreme with grenfell tower. if you don't have health and safety, if it's

not implemented properly, 72 people can lose their lives. on the other hand, of course , we the other hand, of course, we want our children away from their phones, running around, chucking balls around my like my little boy does yesterday. he hurt his nose because he tripped on the steps because i wasn't exactly behind him at that moment. but you've got to give children a little bit of freedom, and he won't trip on that step next time. >> i don't know how you can bnng >> i don't know how you can bring grenfell into it. we're not talking about health and safety. we're about parents allowing their children to walk along a wall without having a heart attack. >> yeah, and i just think overprotecting people will actually damage them long term. it's like the devouring mother complex. the more you try to protect your children, the more anxious they actually become. >> so. all right. renee. >> so. all right. renee. >> so, look, i'm really torn over this because i think women should be able to wear whatever they want at any age. you know, i've, i've talked about women of my age wearing a bikini and so forth. however, when i saw today the headline that prue leith had been sexed up, here it is, guys. i was left feeling that bondage should stay in the bedroom . should stay in the bedroom. >> what? who was it for? >> what? who was it for?

>> london fashion week. >> london fashion week. >> oh, who? do you know who the designer was? >> no, it was no, but i just. >> no, it was no, but i just. >> and it was a charity or something. >> i don't know, but when you say should, i mean, look, that's not to my taste that that that particular look. but i mean, who am i to tell prue leith how to dress? >> i know, sadly, we couldn't get the picture, but there was a picture of jilly cooper today who's actually older than prue, who's actually older than prue, who was also been sexed up, and she was wearing the most beautiful suit she looked absolutely sexy and stunning, and i thought, okay, prue, that should be in the bedroom. and julie's got it right. >> it may not be the smartest move from me to comment on women's fashion on national television, but here we are. it's just not a good dress. it's just a rubbish dress. i'm sorry. >> she looks like she's been strung up, but i think she's fantastic. >> i think, too, prue leith. >> i think, too, prue leith. >> oh, yeah, i do. >> and her son is danny kruger mp, who is a good mp, i think. anyway, matthew, what have you got? >> i did not know that you learn new facts on gb news now my story is a story which involves a council that i think has banned moving forward. any non—vegan food being eaten in

meetings. now i do think that thatis meetings. now i do think that that is pushing things a little bit far. however, as a far too heavy meat eater myself, i was twice for two nine month periods as a boy through conscience of vegetarian, but as a heavy meat eater myself, i do think that i, and most of us should be cutting back on our meat because i for, i think for environmental reasons. but i also think, of course, for animal welfare reasons. >> but first of all, there is no such thing as a far too heavy meat eater as long as the meat that you eat is good quality, pasture fed, fresh meat not processed. >> but not everyone can afford that. >> what's killing us is processed meat. that's the problem. >> i wasn't so much. i wasn't so much talking about diet. i was talking about animal welfare and of course, emissions. >> if you were to cut down on if you want to cut down on your meat eating, then you can choose to cut down your meat eating. why does someone have to ban you from doing it? this instinct on the left in this country to ban things they don't like has to stop. it has to stop.

>> it's a bit extreme, but it's also actually is very, very clever. >> so most it is if someone actually, you know, home cooked fresh vegetables and things that's vegan, that's fine. >> that's good and healthy and matthews right, plant based diets are, you know, good falafel. they're all of the prepared stuff is worse for you even than well, look i do i'm not sure about this whole thing about the left wanting to ban things. >> but i do think this particular policy is a little extreme. however, it is getting us talking, which is why i chose it. and i'm not preaching because i've said that i am a heavy meat eater. but surely for animal welfare, i do try to get well sourced meat. >> that's our decision. not not for my employer to tell me what i must think exactly. >> and i also think meat is essential in a healthy, balanced diet. there are certain things in meat that you cannot get from vegetables. and i always when i look at vegans, they just don't look at vegans, they just don't look healthy to me. >> i'm not sure about that. i look at a lot of meat eaters and they look largely okay. >> still ahead, my friends, we answer all of your questions ask the five. no topics are off what hell have you

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your emails and messages about tonight's topics. speaking of which, it's time for this . this. >> all right, you horrible lot. >> all right, you horrible lot. >> let's see what you've got for us this week . marie has written us this week. marie has written in. marie says, i'm meeting the greek in—laws. that's very specific. next week they don't speak english. how should i communicate with them? >> take chocolates and flowers and smile . that's it? and smile. that's it? >> yeah. just be polite. be nice. just wave at them. >> take them to limonia restaurant in primrose hill . restaurant in primrose hill. >> what if they don't live in london? >> it's not specific . >> it's not specific. >> it's not specific. >> an intricate system of hand signals and gestures. >> what, you mean sign language? yeah >> that one, that one.

>> that one, that one. >> i knew there was a term for it. >> i could impress new greek in—laws because i can count to 100 in greek. just don't ask . 100 in greek. just don't ask. >> okay? >> okay? >> i think this is a trick question, because if you've got greek in—laws, if you've got greek in—laws, if you've got greek in—laws, if you've got greek in—laws, it suggests your marriage to a greek. so surely you would know something of the culture of greece. >> nato trio nick gibb deca. >> nato trio nick gibb deca. >> that's very impressive. >> that's very impressive. >> is that not a greek wine? yeah, we have absolutely no verification on that. >> and so there's someone greek will. >> well, actually marie can ask her, one of the in—laws whether or not that was right. okay next up, archibald has said i did a lot of overtime this month. what should i do with the money? pay off my credit card debts or go on holiday? that's quite a good one. >> one. >> save it for your heating bill because it's going up. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> net zero. >> net zero. >> no. go on holiday, work up your carbon footprint. >> yeah. and get away from starmageddon. the kind of amount of time you can spend away from this increasingly authoritarian hellscape that is starmer's

england, the better. >> matthew , i'd pay off the >> matthew, i'd pay off the credit card. >> i'm afraid. >> i'm afraid. >> matthew i would go on holiday, i don't care, you only live once. >> you've got you've got to fix the roof while the sun is shining. and thankfully, the sun has finally come out. >> only for a week. >> only for a week. >> i'm kind of lost for words. >> i'm kind of lost for words. >> all right. >> all right. >> okay. next we have james, who asks. i've been offered a new job, but my notice period for my current job is six months. should i leave early and hope they don't sue me? >> yes, i would leave if you have a new job and it's your dream job and it's a betterjob, you have to leave. you kind of be bound by some company you don't care about, but you might in a contract you might find if you go and talk to them and say that you want to leave, they may ask you to leave and then they'll pay you the six months. oh, or yeah, i'm not going to i'm not going to give you any sort of financial advice. >> what i would say is, were i in your situation, i would definitely not want to get sued. being sued is a bad thing, but

how likely is it that someone's going to get sued? i guess it perhaps depends on what sort of job it is. >> as an aside, i just can't understand why companies choose to have these ridiculously long nofice to have these ridiculously long notice periods because everyone always checks out in that time. you never get value out of the employee. it always annoys the employee. it always annoys the employee. it always annoys the employee. i think it's something we should consider reducing. i think on this particular question, i should hold my own water. >> and finally ellie asks. my labour campaigning boyfriend thinks that i voted labour in the last election. oh, this is a good one. i changed my mind at the last minute and voted reform sensible. the guilt is killing me. should i finally confess to him? matthew? >> well, i'm married to a conservative who was out canvassing on the day of the election and on the night of the election, when the exit poll came out, was quite literally in tears. i was in an election party and i went home early because she was my wife was in tears because she cared that much about it. listen, i think it's perfectly possible to have romance across political boundaries. i'm not sure that i could be married to someone who votes reform uk, though. >> i just thought, oh, that's just, i just, i just don't know

why we've become so polarised in this day. >> and age, where there's the far left and the far right, and people can't be in a relationship if one is a labour voter and another one is a reform, well, what would you say to a girl that said the same as i just said about i wouldn't to a girl that said the same as ijust said about i wouldn't i i just said about i wouldn't i wouldn't date someone. >> would you marry someone who voted labour? >> the thing is, as long as there is love, look, there's many different. there's many different aspects to it. but, i mean, it would help if you have the same temperament and you support the same political party. but whereas back in the day, you could be a labour voter and a conservative voter, and you can still have a long, loving marriage, i don't know. we've come to this page. >> would you vote? >> would you vote? >> vote? would you marry a teal, >> vote? would you marry a teal, >> no. i wouldn't, because conservatives are sexier. everyone knows that. so what's a what's a what's a teal in australia they are the greens. >> they are the they sort of snatch away the votes from the liberals. >> well my wife is very sexy and she's a conservative. but that's purely anecdotal. >> but you see the other thing as well, matthew, is you've just done what the left do all of the time. you've smeared anyone who's reformed and said, i don't

think i could marry. >> i'm just i it's a free speech station, it's a free speech country. and i think that someone who votes for reform, their views are too extreme for me and i wouldn't be happy with them. however, my wife is a dyed in the wool conservative. she thinks starmer is going to be a disaster and i love her. >> all right, reform, now hang on. on. >> on. >> you, i would like to shake the hand of everyone that voted reform. you thought i was going to say something else, you dirty buggen to say something else, you dirty bugger. now the question i'm going to throw out there is should mps be banned from receiving gifts and freebies? that's from one of our viewers. just now. do you think, actually, we're talking about banning mps on shows? raise your hands. does anyone think they should be banned from receiving gifts and freebies? >> i think they should have to declare them just as a doctor. if i receive a gift, i have to declare it because it's a it's a no no. >> you shouldn't be influenced even though you, you, you're open about it and you declare it. why should mps simply because they have been voted in by us to represent us in parliament? why should they be given gifts? no. >> well, why should renee get a gift for saving someone? you know the she's not an mp. people

might value their mp. she is a doctor though. she's a public servant. >> as long as it's not a corrupting influence. i think you should be allowed. yeah, that's what it is. >> all right, we'll leave that there. thank you very much to our guests tonight. next up, it's the brilliant leo kearse with the saturday night showdown. thank you matthew. thank you eunice. thank you renee. and thank you will. we'll see you and you at home of course more important now we'll see you again next week . see you again next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. good evening and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, we've got a bit of a mix in the weather for this weekend. sunny spells, blustery showers, also some cloud and some outbreaks of rain, but lots of fine weather around too. and the reason for this mix is that we've got high pressure to the south, giving us those fine conditions, but we've also got a weather front that's slowly sinking its way southeastwards across the country, bringing us that cloud and rain. now, as we

head into this evening, that cloud and rain will slowly move its way into northern areas. and behind it we've got plenty of blustery showers moving their way into western parts of scotland , but to the far south scotland, but to the far south that's where it's going to be clear and dry and feeling quite chilly. as soon as the sun goes down. tonight may even see a little bit of grass frost in rural spots down to the south. so to start sunday, then, as i say, plenty of showers moving their way into western and northern parts of scotland, across northern ireland and just into the scottish borders. a fairly cloudy start, but that will break up as we head through the day. cloud and outbreaks of rain and drizzle, which could be a touch heavy over hills across northern areas of england and wales. but as i say across the south, after a chilly night that is going to make it feel cold on sunday to begin with. through the day though, things are going to warm up where we have this band of cloud, rain and drizzle that may just linger on for a time. so quite a damp day for some northern areas of england

and wales. sunny spells and blustery showers through into scotland. some of these could be heavy with some hail and thunder, but once again down to the south and southeast , that's the south and southeast, that's where they'll hold onto the warmer weather and largely dry as well. now for the start of the new week, we'll start to see high pressure taking hold, which means for most of the country, largely fine and dry conditions. plenty of sunny spells around. you might just see a build of high cloud in the northwest, with a weather front down out into the atlantic, and that high pressure does hold on, which means plenty of fine, unsettled weather for the beginning of next week. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> hello there. coming up in the saturday night showdown, trump has come under fire for claiming that haitian immigrants are eating people's cats. it brings

a new meaning to the term grab them by the. but today, a conservative academic has shared footage allegedly corroborating trump's claim. we'll show you, show you in a moment, and you'll be glad it's not barbecue weather here. and one of the supposedly far right thugs who spread inflammatory racist messages calling for violence against asians has been unmasked as an asian man. is he britain's jussie smollett , or are far jussie smollett, or are far right groups now getting diversity departments? and while keir starmer cuts fuel allowances for millions of pensioners, he's staying warm because he's got money to burn. this week he's handed over £350,000 of your money to a company that sells zombie knives. is this a zombie government? this is your saturday night showdown .