in my this is mark dolan tonight in my big opinion . millionaire big opinion. millionaire socialist carol vorderman is raging about this new labour government and their treatment of pensioners, except that she campaigned relentlessly to get sir keir starmer into number 10. i'll be dealing with the former countdown star in no uncertain terms in just a moment. in the big story, in a mark dolan tonight exclusive, it's been revealed that foreign born immigrants are disproportionately behind a surge in arrests in the uk. it's a story that you won't hear reported anywhere else, and we'll get more on these shocking statistics in just a few minutes . statistics in just a few minutes. will we ever see a band like the beatles again? i'll be asking my guest, the best selling author of a stunning new biography of the fab four, and in my take at ten, shameless. former bbc star huw edwards is back advertising his services online as a

broadcasting consultant. the only gig that this man should get is a lengthy stint behind bars. i'll be dealing with this dreadful individual in a bulletin that he won't want to heat bulletin that he won't want to hear. that's at ten. you won't want to miss it. plus, tonight's top pundits lisa mckenzie, academic and anarchist comedian suella joel cauchi, and author and broadcaster the brilliant david oldroyd. bolt lots to get through, but i'll be dealing with carol vorderman in two minutes time. after the news headunes minutes time. after the news headlines and tatiana sanchez . headlines and tatiana sanchez. >> mark, thank you very much and good evening. the top stories. well, some breaking news to start with. and sir keir starmer is alleged to have broken parliamentary rules by failing to declare donations of clothing for his wife, victoria. the gifts from labour donor lord alli weren't initially initially declared in the register for mps interests, but the sunday times reported that the prime minister

approached the parliamentary authorities on tuesday to make a late declaration after being given updated advice on what needed to be registered . the needed to be registered. the tories demanded a full investigation into the starmer's links with lord alli . in other links with lord alli. in other news, a man allegedly sexually assaulted a woman on the same day he was released from prison under the government's early release scheme. it is understood he was released as part of the policy, which aims to ease prison overcrowding on its first day on tuesday, he allegedly re—offended in sittingbourne in kent and was later arrested at an address in south london. he appeared at a magistrates court on thursday charged with sexual assault, and he is due to appear at crown court next month. he's been recalled to prison . the been recalled to prison. the prime minister met with the us president, joe biden, last night to discuss strategy and tactics regarding ukraine and the middle east, meeting at the white house in washington, dc. the pair sat

down for talks that sir keir starmer described as long and productive. speaking afterwards, the prime minister also said that he and the us president had reached a strong position regarding ending the conflict in ukraine. >> we've stood with ukraine. ukraine has a right to self—defence and we've stood united, not just with our allies here in the us, but across with our nato allies. that's very, very important to us. but today was about having the chance to talk not just about a particular step or tactic, but the strategy in relation to ukraine. but also we cover the middle east in some extensive detail and other areas across the world. so it's a really important occasion for us to have this chance to discuss with our allies . with our allies. >> in other news, more questions have been asked about the government's decision to cut winter fuel payments following a vote earlier this week. figures released by the department for work and pensions estimated almost 800,000 pensioners will miss out on the benefit under the new plans. of those set to

lose the support, around two thirds have a disability and 83% are aged 80 or over. downing street says a full impact assessment of the change hasn't yet taken place, and a rebellion could be brewing within the labour party following recent comments by the prime minister around a ban on smoking outdoors at pubs. labour mp for newcastle upon tyne east and wallsend mary glindon, has tabled a motion in parliament against her own party in order to try and block the potential plans . and in that potential plans. and in that motion, she praised the indoor smoking ban of two thousand and seven, but she also said extending the ban outdoors could restrict individual liberty. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. now it's over to mark dolan for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone. >> sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. forward slash alerts .

gbnews.com. forward slash alerts. >> my thanks to tatiana sanchez in my take at ten. huw edwards is back. that's right, he's looking for another gig. i'll be deaung looking for another gig. i'll be dealing with the former bbc face of news in no uncertain terms. i'll tell you who. i'll also be deaung i'll tell you who. i'll also be dealing with tonight. the prime minister, sir keir starmer. dealing with tonight. the prime minister, sir keir starmer . this minister, sir keir starmer. this is a breaking story. you'll have heard from tatiana just a moment ago. keir starmer breached parliamentary rules by failing to declare that a multi—millionaire businessman and party donor bought high end clothes for his wife, victoria. now this is the same lord waheed alli who contributed half £1 million to the labour party and enjoys a access. all areas pass at number 10, so i'll be delving into what appears to be a sleaze scandal on the part of this new government. later in the show, lots to get through, but first, my big opinion. lots to get through, but first, my big opinion . parting is such

my big opinion. parting is such sweet sorrow. it's the end of the affair for tv superstar carol vorderman and our new prime minister, sir keir starmer. and to think they were once so much in love. for years now, national treasure and multiple rear of the year winner vorderman has been on social media raging about the evil conservative government and urging her large band of followers to vote for sir keir starmer in july. railing against what she considered tory incompetence and corruption under various prime ministers. the dashing sir keir was the answer. with a more grown up politics and support for the weakest members of our society, like the elderly. oh dear. unlike carol, that hasn't aged very well , has unlike carol, that hasn't aged very well, has it? imagine vorderman's shock and disappointment when this new government passed a vote on tuesday to deprive 10 million pensioners of the winter fuel allowance. yes, there are plenty of people who don't need the allowance , like carol, for

allowance, like carol, for example, who recently sold her mansion for a reported £2.6 million. wow. these lefties are getting richer by the day. but a third of those affected by her hero, sir keir starmer's cruel policy are living in poverty . policy are living in poverty. it's terrible this, isn't it? the problem is that carol helped make it happen. in fact, she fronted a targeted and rather complex campaign of tactical voting that helped install this labour government, with starmer achieving a huge majority despite winning 3 million fewer votes than jeremy corbyn in 2017. and now, thanks to carol's efforts, millions of pensioners will be shivering in their homes this winter. and there's plenty more for carol to get angry about. she can get angry about ed miliband and his rumoured plans to cancel a new nuclear facility, and a refusal to grant new oil and gas licences, betting the house on flaky renewables, threatening higher

bills in the long run, a blighted countryside and a long term reliance on fossil fuels from nasty dictatorships. carol can be angry about a government that says it wants growth, but looks to have killed the economic momentum brought about by those evil tories by threatening business with red tape and extra costs, raising taxes in the budget, which will scare off investors and wealth creators, and talking down our economic viability with this lesser spotted economic black hole, which is proving as elusive as the loch ness monster . elusive as the loch ness monster. carol can be angry about this new government, scrapping plans to ensure free speech in universities, making it harder for middle income families to educate their kids privately or the scrapping of one word ofsted ratings taking power and choice away from parents. as mathematician carol can get angry about labour's mooted plans to scale back the teaching

of times tables at primary school. there is so much that carol can get angry about. school. there is so much that carol can get angry about . you carol can get angry about. you see, there's an old saying, be careful what you wish for. carol's dream of a labour government has turned into a nightmare not just for her, but for all of us. now carol has asked the prime minister to apologise for his treatment of pensioners. but perhaps carol could give us an apology for her handin could give us an apology for her hand in this. we've got the receipts for all of the times that she campaigned to chuck rishi out, a man who delivered the highest economic growth in the highest economic growth in the g7 and 2% inflation. instead, she wanted to bring starmer in. we've also got the receipts of my warnings on this very programme about what would happenif very programme about what would happen if sir keir starmer became prime minister. biggest i—told—you—so in history. so carol vorderman is the queen of the calculator. as a former star of countdown, she's famous for her prowess with numbers . but

her prowess with numbers. but her prowess with numbers. but her politics don't add up in pushing for a labour government. she's made a wrong calculation. and for poor carol, it's proving to be a zero sum game . your to be a zero sum game. your reaction? please gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, tonight's top pundits. i am delighted to welcome broadcaster and comedian sajeela qureshi. we have historian and presenter david oldroyd, bolt and ethnographer and academic lisa mckenzie. great to see all three of you. do you have any sympathy ? of you. do you have any sympathy? sajeela qureshi for carol vorderman? >> i do, and i'm actually very cross with you. mark dolan for being so nasty about not going to give me a spanking. i'm going to give me a spanking. i'm going to give me a spanking. i'm going to give you a very good spanking on. i think you should've done a u—turn, but then it's okay to do a u—turn, because the problem is there is no one in politics right now, no party that is

actually thinking about the ordinary people . so, yeah, of ordinary people. so, yeah, of course, you know, i mean, as you know, i've always been a bit about, you know, starmer. i'm not sure that he was out. >> i think you wanted a labour government, but you're no starmer fan. >> no. i'm not. and then i thought, you know what? give everyone a chance, right? so give them a chance. and it's only two months to be fair. but the pensioners, you know. really? seriously, that's a horrible sophie's choice for pensioners this winter. you know, eat or or or heat. yeah. and i think that's going to cause a lot of deaths in pensioners and that's going to be on labour's hands in terms of what carol vorderman is doing and saying. i think she speaks a lot of sense because she does support the right things in my opinion, as a leftie. but i don't think she could have said anything else. and i think it's good that she was honest, that she thinks what's, you know, that he should apologise. but she has already said, by the way, i just want to pick you up on one point when he said, oh, you know, she earns a lot of money and she said, she's made that clear. you know, that i won't be one of those pensioners. it will be an unfortunate. it will be the, you

know, the ordinary pensioners who don't have enough money to kind of even heat their homes. but i do think that there's no one in, in politics right now, including reform and reform are a one trick ponies. i'm sorry. and they shouldn't rest on their laurels and think that they've got the public vote that was a you know, we'll see you. you have to work hard to keep the public's vote. i mean, 4.1 million people did vote for reform. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> are they going to stay voting for them though? i don't think so. 50. >> so. >> has keir starmer betrayed carol vorderman and has he betrayed britain ? betrayed britain? >> david, in what regard could he possibly be said to have betrayed? >> carol vorderman have suggested that his approach over the next five years would be progressive. he'd look after the weakest in society. the first thing he does is chuck pensioners under the bus. well, it does seem like an odd thing to begin with, although i don't believe in universal benefits. >> i believe all benefits, if given, should be means tested. and i don't see why pensioners who buy asset price are the richest people in society should be exempt from that. just as i think the tory policy of the triple lock is an appalling policy which labour have continued and is going to make the country very, very poor indeed as the demographics of

the country go towards being top heavy. we can't afford it. we can't afford the social care that we need already that the nhs is struggling to provide. how is it going to be in 10 or 20 years? we can't afford the society we have on the basis with which we fund public services at the moment, so i'm sorry if carol vorderman is annoyed, but in fact i think keir starmer has done something unusually responsible for a labour prime minister. there you 90, labour prime minister. there you go, lisa. >> what's your reaction to this whole carol vorderman story? you know, she campaigned for a labour government for years and now she's furious about what the prime minister has done. >> well, she campaigned for a labour government for years, but she also campaigned for a tory government for years as well. carol vorderman has flip flopped. >> she's been on a journey. >> she's been on a journey. >> yeah, she's been on a journey. the fact is the road to hell, you know, the fact is, carol vorderman, i remember a sort of, praising mrs. thatcher. she thought mrs. thatcher was a was a decent prime minister. i happen to remember the times when mrs. thatcher destroyed the communities that i lived in. and i don't remember carol vorderman

over those years saying anything about. she also attacked working class miners matt hancock and then had a had a lovely drink with him at royal ascot. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and this is why i don't think any of us should be taking these sort of celeb libs , because sort of celeb libs, because that's that's what carol vorderman is. she's a what do you mean by that? >> what is a celeb lib. >> what is a celeb lib. >> well i suppose it's the celebrity liberal. you know, they don't want to push it too far left because they actually don't want any change. but what they do want to do is be invited to number 10 and they want to go to number 10 and they want to go to the spectator parties, and they want to be involved in all that, that sort of media loving and in order if they push it to the left, they might not get invited. they don't want to be. they want to be popular in the media, and they want to be popular on twitter. >> so you think this is a posture almost a career move, like a pr stunt to be a left wing celebrity? >> there's so many of them though. there's just so gary lineker. yeah, so many of them. they sort of they position themselves on on x on twitter and then they sort of, you know, they can be righteous on

everything because when you've got nothing, when you've got heating and eating and you can go out and you've got cab fare and you've got income, you can be righteous. >> yeah. most definitely. and you're insulated from the consequences of those luxury beliefs that you espouse on social media. so why are you calling carol vorderman a champagne socialist then? is that what she is ? that what she is? >> i don't know if she drinks champagne. i'm not. and i'm sure she's not a socialist. i think she's not a socialist. i think she's a celeb lib . she's a celeb lib. >> okay. i mean, david, ultimately, do you think this could be politically damaging for keir starmer for his biggest cheerleader, carol vorderman, to turn fire on him? >> i think it shows something about the paucity of ideas and personality in keir starmer that carol vorderman is his biggest supporter, if that's , if that's supporter, if that's, if that's the best you can bring to your campaign, it doesn't really say much about the campaign, does it? >> because you could have had me well, well, indeed. >> well, well, he could have. >> well, well, he could have. >> he could have never had. no, he could never have been fighting over, your honour. >> sajeela. lots more to come. next up in the big story in a mark dolan tonight exclusive, it's been revealed that foreign born nationals are disproportionately behind a

surge in arrests in the uk. it's a story that you hear reported anywhere else, will get more on these shocking

well, a big reaction to my big opinion. carol vorderman has been campaigning for a labour government. now she's complaining about it. well, we told you so. the messages are coming in thick and fast. gbnews.com/yoursay how about this? we've got tony, who's a gb news member who says, good evening, mark. carol campaigned for a knight in shining armour and ended up with don quixote. that's absolutely brilliant. how about this? from glynis, who says, good evening, mark. glynis says, good evening, mark. glynis says, not only was carol vorderman wrong about what she said, she was particularly unpleasant about how she said it. neil says mark vorderman's views are as fake as her plastic

injected body. very harsh language there. she's a very, very glamorous and accomplished woman. but hey , neil, you're woman. but hey, neil, you're entitled to your view . and on entitled to your view. and on pensioners, tony says mark, why should the state pension be classed as a benefit which could be stopped at any time, or even means tested ? the state pension means tested? the state pension should be as of right when you've paid into it all of your working life. tony, thank you for that. now i'll be dealing with the huw edwards who is looking for another gig , and looking for another gig, and they'll be tackling that story in my take at ten. you won't want to miss it. lively stuff. but first, the big story. want to miss it. lively stuff. but first, the big story . and a but first, the big story. and a shock new report by the centre for migration control reveals that foreign born nationals are disproportionately behind the country's increasing number of arrests. in 2023, there was one arrests. in 2023, there was one arrest of a british national per 94 people. however, for

migrants, this rate surges to 1 in 70. the home office has recently been criticised for refusing to provide data on the nationalities of those arrested. former minister neil o'brien , former minister neil o'brien, tory leadership contender robert jenrick and political commentator professor matthew goodwin have all railed against this so—called data desert. well, now we do have some figures. and what do they tell us? i'm delighted to welcome political commentator jess gill. jess, really good to have you on the show for the first time. what's your reaction to these new figures? >> yeah, it's really not surprising considering whenever a crime is reported, they seemingly miss out the facts of the ethnicity of the person and seem to cover that up completely. so it is. it really isn't surprising, but i'm really upset that it has taken an independent research body, rather than the government being open about these statistics. it's ridiculous. >> by using someone's migration status in relation to crime statistics, isn't that racial profiling? and isn't that a

problem ? problem? >> i don't think it's a problem. i think it's just the truth. these are just facts. and if there's a disproportionate amount of people committing crime, i think that's just how it is . and i think people need it is. and i think people need to be aware of it. the reality is that it isn't just a certain ethnicity or a certain race. it's not racist to say so. i think it's more important that people are aware that the type of people we're bringing over aren't the best of the people in their country, and it is causing crime, which is in effect, disproportionately affecting the taxpayer . taxpayer. >> and jess, why is migrant crime proportionately higher? do you think? >> oh, i'm not too sure on that one at all. honestly, i think it's a wave of factors. i think maybe it's the culture around it. it's maybe it's the type of people we're bringing in. the fact that we're not having a good standard of the type of people we're bringing in. and so they're allowed to just take advantage of our benefit system and off our, for example, the health and social visa. and that we've had such low standards

that anyone can take advantage of it. >> could it be that migrant crime is higher because migrants are treated very badly by our society? >> no, i don't think so , >> no, i don't think so, considering the fact that everything in our media is to do with that, it's hard to say that they're treated badly when they're treated badly when they're welcomed with open arms and given benefits. and given all these perks, for example, with the visas, with the health and social visas, instead of training up british born people to fill these roles, the government over the past decade has just imported hundreds of thousands of people. >> jess, why do you think so much of the media are reluctant to cover stories like this ? and to cover stories like this? and why aren't we getting this kind of data from central government? >> i think because they're afraid of the truth, and it really debunks their, their conceptions, i think the government's again, it would prove that multiculturalism has been a failure. and the fact that you can't have all these cultures come together and there won't be any problems is just has turned out not to be true. and that's why they don't want

to face the fact, because they're not going to admit they've been wrong over the past few years. >> jess, if crime is higher among foreign born nationals, how do we tackle the problem? >> i think if crime is. well, for one, i don't think any foreign born nationals should be in a uk prison. i think just deport them all. quite frankly. why should the uk taxpayer have to pay for that? i think that's ridiculous. and just having a zero tolerance policy towards it . zero tolerance policy towards it. in all honesty, i think we need to focus more on the actual victims here, which are the people who have been impacted by crime, by both uk and foreign born, criminals here. and i think that's the real problem, and the fact that we're just letting them off with a slap on the wrist is quite ridiculous. regardless of what skin colour it is. i think we need a colour—blind system when it comes to that. >> absolutely. and jess is there a danger of characterising all migrants as criminals rather than the positive contribution that most make , that most make, >> well, i think in the uk at

the moment, migrants on average haven't been making a positive contribution in terms of taxes in terms of the culture and in terms of crime. we've seen multiculturalism and mass immigration fail again. but i will add that it isn't all immigrants. i don't think it's good to generalise, but at the same time, you know, we shouldn't brush over these facts just because it might hurt some people's feelings. >> indeed. listen, you're an incredibly articulate political commentator. it's not escaped my attention that you're pretty young, do you feel an outlier within your sort of demographic about being concerned on these issues? >>i issues? >> i think a lot of people are trying to keep their head in the sand with these issues, i'm at king's college london, and almost half of the students, it feels like, are international students who just, you know, isolate themselves or away from the native population . and some the native population. and some of them don't speak that well of english. and it creates this cultural barrier. but when i

bnng cultural barrier. but when i bring it up to some of my classmates and friends, they just don't see it as an issue . just don't see it as an issue. and it's sad because it is an issue. and i think people need to wake up, but i think they are starting to wake up because when you go around the streets, like for the recent, for the past few times i've had conversations with my young female friends about catcalling and sexual harassment. it hasn't been people who have been born in the uk. and the sad reality is you can't ignore those facts. >> indeed , katharine >> indeed, katharine birbalsingh, britain's strictest headteacher, of course, she's responsible for the very successful school michaela community school, which has an intake of bame children and she gets them into oxford and cambridge. and she said that multiculturalism can work, but it's going to take a lot of effort and a lot of resource is the genie out of the lamp now? can we bring together our divided society, do you think? >> i mean, i wouldn't like a country modelled on her type of school, considering she's the most strictest headteacher. would you want some weird authoritarian state with that? i

think if that's the price you have to pay, if you need an authoritarian state, if you need this very strict top down, policy to enforce multiculturalism, i don't think that's something we have to we have we should do. i don't think that's a price we should be willing to pay for that. >> yes. briefly. jess, do you see attitudes towards mass migration changing in the years ahead ? ahead? >>i ahead? >> i think people have to face up with it. the reality is that there are places in the uk which are no go areas, especially for the middle class, who have a lot of political leverage. they aren't able to avoid this anymore. and when i've spoken to my friends and the people around me, it is an uncomfortable truth that they have to face up to. but at the end of the day, when crime increases , when our crime increases, when our communities no longer feel like british communities , that is british communities, that is something we have to face up to. >> jess, it's been a real treat to have you on the show. your first appearance, first of many, ihope first appearance, first of many, i hope my thanks to political commentator and broadcaster jess gill . your reaction gill. your reaction gbnews.com/yoursay next up, a

school teacher accused of racism against rishi sunak and suella braverman walks free. is this a case of tier justice and double i'll be asking my top

next. well, a big reaction on the message board to our conversation about the news that foreign born criminals are disproportionately responsible for crime in the uk. and we've got this from father simon maddison, who has messaged us gbnews.com/yoursay mark, recording the ethnicity of an offender is not racial profiling, it is offender profiling. okay, well, let's stay on race because a teacher who carried a placard at a pro—palestinian protest depicting rishi sunak and suella braverman as coconuts has been found not guilty of a racially aggravated public order offence. miraya hussein carried a picture

showing the faces of then prime minister rishi sunak and home secretary suella braverman superimposed on coconuts under a palm tree in november 2023. her defence said that the placard was not racist, but satirical and humorous. however prosecutor jonathan bryan argued that coconut was a well—known racial slur, suggesting that someone was brown on the outside but actually a white person on the inside in terms of their views. let's get the views of tonight's top pundits. we've got sajeela qureshi, david oldroyd, bolts and lisa mckenzie. sajeela. what do you make of this one? well this is interesting because i have in the past been called a coconut and i identify as a coconut and i identify as a coconut sometimes i'm very home counties. >> i mean, you're nutty. >> i mean, you're nutty. >> we know that. you're nutty. >> we know that. you're nutty. >> nutty. i'm a bit chewy and a bit, you know, wet. yeah, but yeah, i don't actually think this was a racial slur, and i don't know why we're trying to make coconut a term of a racist

slur in this context. i think it's great that she got let off because it was a free expression protest. right. and we've had lots of banners. i've done many protests and put many things on banners. and are we going to start banning all of them, and she's been let off. can i just say so the law has decided before we go any further . but, before we go any further. but, but but you know, she has been proven innocent in this case. >> so i've been . lisa, i've been >> so i've been. lisa, i've been arrested for something that i held on a banner. actually, i have been arrested . so, like , have been arrested. so, like, you know, arresting people for saying things that may be, offensive to some people . it's offensive to some people. it's the right. it's not right. and i've been arrested for i had a poster that said, we have found new homes for the rich and a graveyard. right. and i was arrested for that . arrested for that. >> that's crazy. i mean, what was that? on the grounds of taste and decency or something, >> they tried to do it as a hate crime towards rich people. okay, and then i got done for a

section five for public order causing alarm and distress. >> so was it upheld? what what was the outcome? >> it went to court. crazy and it was two things, actually . one it was two things, actually. one thing was, criminal damage for putting a sticker on a window. and then they found out i didn't do it. someone else did. so they charged me on joint enterprise. and this this, section, this pubuc and this this, section, this public order offence for holding this poster went to court, and the judge kicked it out. >> yes. >> yes. >> go on, go on. >>— >> go on, go on. >> so it makes me really, really angry. okay, so on the one hand, there's a picture depicting this and they found it offensive. right. if you're going to go down that road it offensive. yeah. they they found it because they've got nothing better to do. they whoever they are. but the thing is on the other hand it's okay to have it's not offensive to muslim people. when you show pictures of muhammad or other things that they find offensive, but you have, where's the consistency? do you know what i mean? so it's like you can't. >> well, yeah, you mentioned you mentioned that. what about david? those weekly pro gaza

marches in which lots of slogans which are considered anti—semitic by some, by some have been brandished without any censure whatsoever. >> i think it's one of the most egregious failures of policing in this country in recent years, because that is quite clearly a slogan that calls for the eradication of jewish people. and what does it say? >> why? quite why, why, why is it so obvious? that's what people are saying. >> because when you're saying when you're when you're when you're when you're chanting from the river to the sea, you're you're talking of people being dnven you're talking of people being driven , being driven from the driven, being driven from the riverjordan into driven, being driven from the river jordan into the mediterranean . mediterranean. >> although sajeela would you chant something that could be offensive to a portion of the population? for example, would you go on a march and say something which could be offensive to some black people chanting lots of other things like, let's not have genocide, let's not sell arms to israel? >> there's chanting lots of we're talking about from the river to the sea here. well, the rivers of the sea, because that's going to hurt people. is it words that are thrown out, whether it's considered anti—semitic speech, absolutist, as you know. and so am i. yeah. as as we are, as we all are in

comedy mostly. right so i'm sorry. there is no way i am going to say that it's not okay to chant things on a on a peaceful protest and calling them hate marches . peaceful protest and calling them hate marches. i'm peaceful protest and calling them hate marches . i'm sorry, them hate marches. i'm sorry, that's incorrect as well. >> i think it's not incorrect because most of my jewish friends will not let their children go anywhere near central london when these things are occurring, because they're afraid that they will be attacked. that and that's that's and i think this man was told by and i think this man was told by a police officer, a german was in fact removed for being visibly jewish, not to cross the road at one of these marches, for being overtly jewish. >> the jewish man who actually planted all this? yes, that sounds like a conspiracy theory. >> they, together with the same two people that were belong to the same people who were protesting it in in reggie hunter's show in the us, there are free speech is protected. >> there are marches by the far right which shouts the jews will not replace us. now i'm, i'm a free speech person, but i don't want to see that on british streets . actually, i don't want streets. actually, i don't want to be such a free speech absolutist that we can have far

right marchers shouting, the jews will not replace us. >> so i think that that's a very different thing to say to rivers, to the sea. so what was the what was the slogan from the rivers to the sea. we will all be free. we will all be free. i just said it. has anyone been hun? just said it. has anyone been hurt? has anyone considering that it's a it's a jewish viewers and listeners who are offended by that. >> it's a it's a slogan that is directly related , one at a time directly related, one at a time when things are said on gb news people, muslims, you know, you can't have you can't have just one group thinking that they should be more protected than any other group. >> that's it. end of i don't think that there's one group that just thinks that they are the only ones that deserve to be protected, but what i'm what i'm saying is this is a question of how far is free speech. >> does free speech go? does it go as far as we say we can say anything at all in public, or is there is there a point to where we kind of go, we don't want that. i'm with you, lisa. >> i'm with you. so free speech. there are clear double standards. >> there are very clearly double

standards. >> a protester was arrested for waving a placard that said irish lives matter, because that was somehow evoking the black lives matter movement, but somehow, you know, perceived as white supremacist or racist or something like that. what about this coconut story? >> i think it's obviously racist, because the implication is somehow that these people are betraying their ethnicity. and this is something that really irritates me deeply about the left in this country. and in fact, the left in america as well, is that anyone from an ethnic minority background who is seen to have the politics of the white people is castigated. you saw this all the way through the last tory government, which was by far and away the most ethnically diverse government we have ever had. people like priti patel, kwasi kwarteng, suella braverman and the prime minister and james cleverly and the prime minister were castigated by those on the left who considered them somehow to have betrayed their race, which to me is straightforward, racist politics. >> one labour mp said kwasi kwarteng didn't sound like a black man when she listened to

him on the radio because he expressed conservative views. what do you think about this coconut right now? >> i do not sound like an asian woman, do i? well, you sound like a very fabulous lady and a leading comedian by the way. >> i mean, you're dismissing this coconut thing, but in a sense it invokes race, doesn't it? because it's about the colour of the coconut. >> i think when someone is called a coconut and someone who hears the word coconut all the time, i think i have a bit of a fair kind of reading on what coconut is, and i don't think it's offensive. i don't get offended when somebody calls me a coconut. i know what they're trying to say, but it evokes exactly what it doesn't. >> something which invokes skin colour have inherent racist echoes to it. no, it doesn't have racist echoes to it. >> it's just the coconut is brown, isn't it? it's just saying the coconut is brown. you are not the right kind of brown. you are not the right kind of black. that's what it's saying. and that's not a racist. that's not a racist. >> do you think it's got racist undertones? >> but it's not racist? >> but it's not racist? >> okay, i agree, i think i think it can be offensive, but is it racist? do you know what i don't know, and i think it's worth having these conversations. the problem is at

the moment is we can't have these conversations because the minute we start having these conversations , you get one group conversations, you get one group going, get them arrested, and then if you have and the other group goes, well, get them arrested. yeah. and this is what i've been seeing over the last few weeks. and this is what i say to all of them regarding free speech is if you live by the sword, you'll die by the sword. that's good. if you are calling for people to be arrested over one thing, don't be surprised. >> most definitely now. and of course, let me put it on record. i don't think this woman should have been arrested or indeed be punished for this placard, but i can suggest that it has racist undertones and that it is offensive, but i defend her right to do that. it's not crime of the century, but david, is there an issue where conservatives of colour are? it's open season on them to be attacked because they think the wrong things? >> well, i think we saw that all the way through the last government. yes. and i think that to talking people like kwasi kwarteng and others, they feel that this is something that they've faced their entire political career. >> why aren't people of colour allowed to have conservative

views, do you think? >> sajeela i think they are allowed to have conservative views. no one's stopping them, but why do they get abuse from some of my best? brown and black people are conservatives, but i don't think that is the issue. but i think it's i mean, you have had someone be fired on this station for simply stating an opinion that they thought suella braverman was racist. why was that? i don't know why that happened. i don't think that's correct. i think that's wrong. and the home of free speech and no one gets cancelled here. >> i think it was arguably libellous. >> i don't know if it's an opinion. if you're having an opinion, this is an opinion station, right? am i correct me if i'm wrong. most definitely. right. and so that was an opinion. but in terms of who going back to what you were saying about who who thinks what's right, who is the arbitrator of what's right and wrong okay, okay. >> lisa, last word. if we're not having the debates because everybody is trying to get everyone else arrested, then this is where the problem is, is because we can't have the debate because we can't have the debate because the minute i start having this debate, somebody else will go, right. you need to shut up and be arrested or and then what's stopping me saying,

well, no wonder the police can't. >> i just we can't. the police aren't doing their job because they're arresting everybody. yeah. >> most definitely. exactly that they don't like they have better things to do is certainly a telling question. >> at ten, i'll be dealing with huw edwards, who's trying to make a comeback. that's my take at ten. you won't want to miss it. but next up, will we ever see a band like the beatles again? i'll asking my guest the best selling author of a stunning new biography of the

next. the messages are coming in thick and fast. this from catherine, who says, mark, we don't mind , who says, mark, we don't mind, provided it's fair and consistent, which currently isn't. this is about freedom of speech in this country . the speech in this country. the problem is coconut was racist . problem is coconut was racist. yeah, freedom of speech. okay. but make sure it's equal on all sides. thank you for that considered message. catherine, i completely agree . okay, at completely agree. okay, at 10:00, i'll be dealing with huw edwards, who's looking for

another gig. but first, mark meets . and this evening, the meets. and this evening, the first major biography of the beatles. in 20 years by renowned music journalist patrick humphries. with the beatles from the town where they were born to now and then, features previously unpublished interviews with paul , george and interviews with paul, george and ringo. it's winning rave reviews and with the beatles is out now, and with the beatles is out now, and i'm delighted to say patrick humphries joins me on this occasion. patrick, great to see you. what beatles , good to see you. what beatles, good to see you. what beatles, good to see you. what beatles treasure. have you. what beatles treasure. have you unearthed in this book , you unearthed in this book, >> they come from liverpool , >> they come from liverpool, ringo is not his real name, the thing i was very pleased about was the third beatles film everyone thought they were going to do. lord of the rings. in fact, paul mccartney had a meeting with, len deighton, the spy writer whose first novel, the ipcress file, came out in 1962, the same year as love me

do . and len was very interested do. and len was very interested in the beatles , appearing in oh, in the beatles, appearing in oh, what a lovely war, which was released in 1969. he wanted them to play the smith family, paul mccartney after a delicious curry that leonard cooked for him, declined. he felt the beatles should be doing something about vietnam. that was something i was very pleased to have discovered. >> i know the book focuses on their early years growing up in liverpool. so how did growing up in merseyside shape the beatles ? in merseyside shape the beatles? >> oh, it was crucial. i mean, you know, it was the most bombed city after london during the war. i mean, these were real blitz kids. i mean, they grew up on bomb sites. they grew up with rationing, the working class heroes really were george and ringo. john was very comfortably middle class. paul was sort of lower middle. but i mean, they they came from , certainly not they came from, certainly not privileged backgrounds from a from a remote, rather rundown northern seaport. i mean, everything was in london at the time. the record companies, the

major newspapers, the media, so to actually get from liverpool to actually get from liverpool to london was a real i mean, literally a real struggle. it was 11 hour drive on a priti motorway, britain. so, i mean, the first time i actually remember hearing provincial accents on, on bbc radio, i mean, everyone spoke like the queen or the duke of edinburgh and you heard the sort of chirpy, northerners speaking. i thought, that's that's different. and then, of course, you heard the music and it just completely captivated what separated the beatles from other bands of that era. >> patrick. >> patrick. >> well, i think fundamentally it was the music of lennon and mccartney, they were began writing as teenagers, very influenced by american music. goffin and king and elvis little richard, buddy holly particularly, but soon fashioned their own, incredible music. my, their own, incredible music. my, the first beatles lp i got for christmas 1963, which i got paul christmas 1963, which i got paul, george and ringo to sign

in on the back. the publicist points out that, the john and paul have a, a steady output of all original singles from now until 1975, they didn't last that long, unfortunately, but it's about 250 odd songs that the beatles recorded , which i the beatles recorded, which i think that's where the greatness lies. and of course, you know, you can't underestimate the, the role george martin played. who, who, who managed to create these incredible sonic landscapes for them. >> most definitely. of course, the beatles were a global phenomenon as a band. were they friends, >> up to a point, yes , they were >> up to a point, yes, they were dunng >> up to a point, yes, they were during the touring years. i mean, very close. you know, they forged this apprenticeship in, you know, dingy clubs in hamburg and, and liverpool and, there was a real bond there. when they stopped touring in 1966, you know, john had met yoko. his marriage was crumbling, you

know, they were spending time at abbey road, but they weren't, socialising as much. but yes, they're incredibly close. i mean , they're incredibly close. i mean, they're incredibly close. i mean, they were a real band of brothers. yes. >> and was mccartney the driving force of the band? and did that become a problem? patrick. >> john it was john's group at the beginning, the quarrymen were a skiffle group formed by john, who enlisted paul and george , it was very much john's george, it was very much john's group, and in the very first radio interview the beatles ever gave, paul paul says no. john john's the group's leader. so that was pretty apparent early on towards the end. and i think that's made manifest in peter jackson's, get back documentary, the six hour, beatles documentary about them recording let it be. it's called who's really motivated? paul is really pushing them. you know, ringo's got he's got a nice little career lined up, to start with peter sellers and the magic christian. john's completely obsessed with yoko. george has got so many songs that he wants to record that the beatles don't want to do. so, but it's paul

who loved the idea of the beatles, and he really wanted to keep them together, so it switched. i think, after brian epstein died in 1967, i think the balance switched from being john's group very much to paul's group . i mean, sergeant pepper group. i mean, sergeant pepper magical mystery tour, these were paul concepts. really. >> how do you feel that the existing beatles members, mccartney and ringo feel about their legacy ? their legacy? >> i think they well, they can't get away from it . i mean, >> i think they well, they can't get away from it. i mean, i think they thought there would come a time when people would stop asking them, you know, every anniversary. i mean, i interviewed paul once, and when i was setting up the tape, there were some beatle anniversary in the paper. i said, i said, do you remember this? he said, no. he said, if you look at those books of what we did from 63 to 66, it's a complete blur, he said. so i think they they got they know how popular the beatles were. they don't quite get just how massively influential they were or how much they meant to individual people's lives, paul, i think, as we know, had an incredible career with wings and a solo

career with wings and a solo career in the 70s and the early 80s. i think he was kind of getting away from under that beatles shadow. when he started performing again in 89 and playing beatles songs, which he never played live before. that, i think, got him. i think it got him being a beatle fan again. and ringo, bless him. i mean, you know, the luckiest man in liverpool, you know , he poor old liverpool, you know, he poor old pete best, the drummer, was booted out literally on the eve of this incredible success. ringo came in, but it needed ringo came in, but it needed ringo to make to make the beatles. the beatles? >> yeah. a criminally underrated drummer. i think you'll agree. patrick, you've been writing best selling books and journalism about music for your whole career. truly amazing stuff. this is the first major book about the beatles in 20 years. i can't wait to start reading it with the beatles. there it is. what do you make of the current music scene? is there anyone that can hold a candle to the likes of the beatles, >> frankly , no. >> frankly, no. >> frankly, no. >> i mean, you won't get ever get that arc from love me do in

1962 to strawberry fields forever. that's that's in four years and coldplay. i'm sorry you know, nobody compares the only phenomenon i think that compares with the beatles is taylor swift in terms of, you know, the success the scale of success. but in terms of music, no, i think the beatles were and remain unique, >> patrick, an absolute thrill to have you on the show. one of my absolute heroes in the world of music journalism, patrick humphries. and if you'd be kind enough, hey, let's have another look at that book. it is out now. it is called with the beatles from the town where they were born to now, and then, that brilliant stuff. what's your favourite beatles song in my life? that's a tune, isn't it? thank you patrick, we'll catch up soon. let us know when you've got your next book out. no doubt working on his next project. listen, folks, i've got a really busy hour to come. we'll get more on princess catherine's recovery from cancer. she's ended her chemo and will be heading to california. and the

queen of us royal and political reporting kinsey schofield plus kamala harris versus donald trump. well, donald trump has come out fighting to find out why in just a moment. but next up , huw edwards why in just a moment. but next up, huw edwards is why in just a moment. but next up , huw edwards is looking for up, huw edwards is looking for another gig. so i'll be dealing with that request in no uncertain terms. in my take at ten. on the other side of this . ten. on the other side of this. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello, good evening and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, we've got a bit of a mix in the weather for this weekend. sunny spells, blustery showers, also some cloud and some outbreaks of rain but lots of fine weather around two. and the reason for this mix is that we've got high pressure to the south giving us those fine conditions, but we've also got a weather front that's slowly sinking its way south eastwards across the country, bringing us that cloud and rain. now, as we head into this evening, that cloud and rain will slowly move

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gb news. >> it's 10:00 gb news. >> it's10:00 on gb news. >> it's 10:00 on television, on >> it's10:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight in my take at ten. shameless. former bbc star huw edwards is back

advertising his services online as a broadcasting consultant . as a broadcasting consultant. the only gig he should get is a lengthy stint behind bars. i'll be reading this dreadful man a bulletin that he won't forget at 10:00 in just a couple of minutes. you won't want to miss it. the donald fights back after a controversial appearance in the tv presidential debate. former president trump attacks his opponent kamala harris, in this increasingly bitter and bonkers race for the white house in november. plus, more on princess kate's gradual return to the spotlight and prince william surprises his fans in an unexpected visit. we'll get reaction live from california and the queen of us royal and political reporting kinsey schofield . plus tomorrow's schofield. plus tomorrow's newspaper front pages, a packed show, lots to get through and breaking tonight. this in tomorrow's times. the prime minister wait for it breached parliamentary rules by failing to declare that a

multi—millionaire businessman and party donor bought high end clothes for his wife, victoria. we'll be dealing with this shocking example of labour sleaze at 1030 with the papers. lots to get through huw edwards in two minutes time with a bulletin from me that he won't want to hear. but first, the brilliant, the irreplaceable tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> mark, thank you very much. and good evening. let's start this bulletin with some more breaking news this evening that a 18 year old called nicolas prosper has been charged with the murders of a woman and two teenagers who were found dead at a flat in luton yesterday. that's coming from bedfordshire police. he's also been charged with numerous firearms offences and he's due to appear at luton magistrates court on monday. and we'll bring you more on this breaking story in the next hour. another breaking story this evening. sir keir starmer is alleged to have broken

parliamentary rules by failing to declare donations of clothing for his wife, victoria. the gifts from labour donor lord alli weren't initially declared in the register for mps interests, and the sunday times reported the prime minister approached the parliamentary authorities on tuesday to make a late declaration after being given updated advice on what needed to be registered. the tories demanded a full investigation into the starmer's links with lord alli . a man links with lord alli. a man allegedly sexually assaulted a woman on the same day that he was released from prison under the government's early release scheme. it's understood he was released as part of the policy, which aims to ease prison overcrowding on its first day on tuesday, he allegedly re—offended in kent and was later arrested at an address in south london. he appeared at a magistrates court on thursday charged with sexual assault and is due to appear in the crown court next month . the prime court next month. the prime minister met with the us

president, joe biden, last night to discuss strategy and tactics regarding ukraine and the middle east, meeting at the white house in washington, dc , the pair sat in washington, dc, the pair sat down for talks at sir keir starmer, described as long and productive. speaking afterwards, the prime minister also said that he and the us president had reached a strong position regarding ending the conflict in ukraine. >> we've stood with ukraine. ukraine has a right to self—defence and we've stood united, not just with our allies here in the us , but across with here in the us, but across with our nato allies. that's very , our nato allies. that's very, very important to us. but today was about having the chance to talk not just about a particular step or tactic, but the strategy in relation to ukraine. but also we cover the middle east in some extensive detail and other areas across the world. so it was a really important occasion for us to have this chance to discuss with our allies. >> and a rebellion could be brewing within the labour party following recent comments by the prime minister around a ban on smoking outdoors at pubs. labour mp for newcastle upon tyne,

eastern wallsend, mary glindon , eastern wallsend, mary glindon, has tabled a motion in parliament against her own party in order to try and block the potential plans in the motion, she praised the indoor smoking ban of two thousand and seven, but said extending the ban outdoors could restrict individual liberty and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. i'll be back in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thanks, tatiana. a very busy hour to come. a labour sleaze scandal involving the prime minister's wife. also, good news on princess catherine's recovery and trump versus kamala . the and trump versus kamala. the donald fights back. we'll head to the united states and the

queen of us showbiz, royal and political reporting kinsey schofield. plus tomorrow's papers and more on that shocking labour sleaze scandal with lisa mckenzie, cecilia curci and david oldroyd. bolt. lots to get through a packed hour. those papers are coming. but first my take at ten. here are the 10:00 news headlines. huw edwards is back. notwithstanding his conviction for the possession of the very worst category of child abuse images for which he awaits sentencing. the former face of the bbc's news output has been on the career networking website linkedin, offering his services as a media consultant. this irrepressible star is still keen to sell his wares. you can't keep a good man down or a bad one, by the looks of it. the brass neck of this wicked

individual, promoting himself as he awaits sentencing this monday for a truly egregious crime. the linkedin post online reads as follows. after four decades of top level experience in journalism, media, politics and communications, i am available for no charge to charities and for no charge to charities and for not profit organisations. wow. now, it's not often that i'm lost for words, although, that said, alongside the brave sun newspaper, i pursued this story relentlessly for over a year and i got dogs abuse for doing so, particularly when edward's powerful mates in the media the likes of jon sopel and emily maitlis, circled the wagons to protect him and attacked his detractors. so edwards is now a charity worker. apparently many charities work with and support vulnerable people for this depraved man. to offer his help is like a pack of

foxes offering to help out in a chicken coop. notwithstanding his conviction for child abuse images. this is a man who reportedly paid a crack cocaine addicted teenager thousands of pounds for indecent images , pounds for indecent images, which the individual's parents have said has ruined their lives. the bbc's own reporting into the behaviour of edwards at the corporation contained allegations of creepy text messages to colleagues that left them, and, i quote, chilled to them, and, i quote, chilled to the bone, with junior staff feeling totally intimidated by the star. another alleged victim, edwards, met online who threatened to expose him, was reportedly sent expletive filled messages. messages verified by the bbc as having come from edward's phone. but in the linkedin post advertising his wonderful services , he posts wonderful services, he posts a photo of himself interviewing ex—us president barack obama. now, barack obama is a fine

looking man. i wonder whether edwards paid him any money for images or sent the former leader of the free world any creepy texts. somehow i doubt it. now, edwards offers his services to charities and non—profit organisations for free. well, yes , that's because he's about yes, that's because he's about as employable as a vegan in a butcher's shop. plus, the guy doesn't need the money. this is a man that was on almost half £1 million a year to read the news. £200,000 of which was paid whilst suspended by the bbc. if he's feeling so charitable, perhaps he'd like to pay that money back. plus his gold plated pension of a reported £300,000 a year for the rest of his life. by the way, who picks up the bill for that bounty? you and i. now is edwards offering to work for for free charity in order to get a kinder sentence. next week? i shouldn't like to say i've got no evidence that that's the case, but i'll be honest, i do hope that huw edwards does get a new gig washing laundry

and cleaning out pots and pans behind bars. he can make himself useful, scrubbing out the toilets, helping hardened criminals with their communication skills, and keeping his cellmate big jim, entertained in the dead of night. luckily, as big jim is about to discover, huw edwards . about to discover, huw edwards. cut off in my prime, he lost the punchline. don't you worry, folks. lots to get through there. your reaction gbnews.com/yoursay first at tonight's top pundits, and i'm delighted to welcome david oldroyd, bolt zigi hsi and lisa mckenzie. lisa, the brass neck of this man. >> yeah, i don't think he's the first. that's looking to charities to try and wash his, his reputation. perhaps he thinks that , if he does some thinks that, if he does some charity work and, you know, does good for people, it might sort of help his, his his, you know, his his fall from from grace.

really? i don't think it will. his crime that he has pleaded guilty to is, looking at some of the worst images of children, of sexually exploited children. i don't think there is a charity or a non—profit organisation which would touch him and quite rightly , and i don't think, rightly, and i don't think, trying to wash his career by doing good works, is going to work. >> david, this will be a profound insult and perhaps disturbing to edwards victims. of course, we know that images of child abuse always involve a victim. this is not. >> no, it's. i think it's a really quite despicable and intensely cynical thing for him to be doing, to try as as lisa says, to wash his reputation clean. it's a very, very different thing from, for instance, john profumo, who had resigned from the government in 1963 because he was having an affair with a woman who was also having an affair with the soviet spy who then spent 40 years

working in the east end with the depnved working in the east end with the deprived of london. he, i think, genuinely did seek redemption through good works. the scale of his offence against decency and dignity was nowhere near that of edwards, who, as you say, is , by edwards, who, as you say, is, by viewing these images as condone the victimisation and the abuse of children. it's appalling and he ought to be ashamed of himself, and i'm sure that any charity that even for a moment considered accepting his questionable services, would soon find itself under investigation. >> sajeela. there is another side to this . individuals like side to this. individuals like huw edwards have to do something. rebuild their lives. he's offering his services for nothing. so this is not financial gain. i guess that this might be part of rehabilitation or doing something positive. what do you think, >> well, i don't know. i mean, he's close to retirement age anyway. wasn't he going to retire, in these circumstances? quite frankly, he's got away literally with murder. just quietly disappear. go, go and

retire. go on cruises. go. because you've got that ability to do that. you know, the people, the victims who whose images are used or, you know, they don't they, they get to suffer the rest of their lives. why should he have any kind of career or have any kind of life? he should be out of the public life. you should be making himself as quiet and small as possible and just disappear. quite frankly, i think it's outrageous that he's even trying to, i mean, i know he put it on linkedin and it's obviously been leaked, but that's not the point. you've just got to say no, you've had a great career. you know, he was a great journalist. i will give him that. but, the end is the end now. that's it. just disappear. yeah. >> i mean, the good news is he put it on linkedin so no one will have seen it. but lisa, is this perhaps not evidence of contrition and that edwards wants to make amends and give something back? no, and he should. >> and he definitely should. and you know, and after monday, when he is sentenced, hopefully we

have still got some sort of working probation service that can, offer him some sort of something to, to redeem himself. but it's not for him to decide what that is because he pleaded guilty to a terrible crime, a really terrible crime. and when he is sentenced on monday, the probation service . i'm not i'm probation service. i'm not i'm not sure whether he'll go to prison or not. i hope he does. but at the moment i'm not sure whether whether, you know, two tier justice whether whether, you know, two tierjustice system will whether whether, you know, two tier justice system will appear will apply to you. edwards, i don't know , but it will be for don't know, but it will be for the probation service to decide how he redeems himself. >> david eldridge, final thoughts on this? >> well, i must disagree. i think . i >> well, i must disagree. i think. i think he was a dreadful broadcaster. if he was, for instance, in all of his supposedly authoritative coverage of royal events, he

sounded pompous and under—informed. he was paid a vast amount of money by the taxpayer for reading a teleprompter , which anybody with teleprompter, which anybody with bafic teleprompter, which anybody with basic education could do. if he wants to give something back, why doesn't he give back the hundreds of thousands of pounds in his pension pot and give it to child abuse charities ? that to child abuse charities? that might actually go some way to proving that his contrition is real, rather than, as i believe it to be, a cynical manoeuvre. brilliant point. >> well, i think you can see my punst >> well, i think you can see my pundits are coming in hot tonight and there is a growing sleaze scandal around the labour party. breaking tonight, sir keir starmer has broken parliamentary rules in regard to a donation that went towards an outfit for his wife, victoria. we'll get more on these sleaze allegations around labour with the papers at 1030. but next up, the papers at 1030. but next up, the donald fights back after a controversial appearance in the tv presidential debates. former president trump attacks his opponent, kamala harris, in this increasingly bitter and bonkers race for the white house in november. meanwhile, more on the developments and health of princess catherine

a surprise from prince william. all of

next. well, it's time now for us news with the queen of american showbiz, royal and political reporting , showbiz, royal and political reporting, kinsey showbiz, royal and political reporting , kinsey schofield and reporting, kinsey schofield and kinsey. let's start with really the only story in town when it comes to america. and that was the big tv presidential debate between donald trump and kamala harris, who won . harris, who won. >> mark, i missed you, too. it's been over a month. this is the longest we've ever gone. i can't even believe that that weren't that wasn't your first words. but yes, i'd say that. kamala, kamala won hands down, it was a disappointing night for donald trump, but i will give him credit. it was three on one. we had the abc news cut. they were only fact checking donald trump. they were not fact checking kamala harris. we they even admitted that their intention

was to fact check donald trump before the debate. but you know, donald trump just he he showed some weaknesses. he his ego was bruised and he lashed out at places that were unnecessary. he's vague in his descriptions and he exaggerates and that's that's not going to win him an election. >> no. and he's ruled out any further tv debates. is that a mistake, do you think? >> i do think that's a mistake because it makes him look like he's fearful of kamala. but i also understand that perhaps he's doing it because he feels like he's consistently set up to fail. but if he could get on a platform like fox news or somewhere where he's confident, i think that it would be a different, a different situation. but kamala, then won't agree to do that. she, you know, she just had her first sit down solo interview and guess who it was with abc news. it's just kind of ludicrous. >> most definitely. what about,

you know, how it's impacted the race for the white house itself? i mean, is there an impression now that it's harris's to lose? does she have the big mo momentum ? momentum? >> she does have some momentum, but if you already had your mind set when you sat down to watch that debate the other night, you had two candidates pandering to people that had already made their minds up like they were pandenng their minds up like they were pandering to their specific audience. i don't think anybody watched the other day and thought, okay, now i'm going to for vote kamala. they were just two people that, you know , stuck two people that, you know, stuck with messaging that already existed. >> so in a sense, america has already decided we just have to wait till november for the result in a sense, america is screwed. >> thoughts and prayers. please pray for us. neither candidate is. neither candidate is ideal. okay. >> most definitely. what about these allegations made by donald trump that migrants in. i think it was, where was it? ohio. yeah. springfield, ohio . were yeah. springfield, ohio. were eating cats and dogs.

>> listen, politicians have become so lazy when it comes to strategy. everything that comes out of their mouths is fear driven. that was unnecessary. why bring up animals being eaten by people in our country here illegally? when you have a perfectly legitimate example of criminal behaviour in the death of lincoln riley. a severe enough loss if you want to focus on springfield and haitian immigrants. you know, there actually has clearly and legitimately been documented haitian immigrants wreaking havoc on the streets by getting the behind the wheels of cars without knowing basic driving laws, causing deaths, causing injury. when you bring up things that are unsubstantiated for shock value, it jeopardises the credibility of everything else. you say. if we focus on what we know to be true, that is simply enoughin know to be true, that is simply enough in this case. i think he absolutely blew it with those statements. if i were to give him advice, it would be focus on

the basics. gas, groceries , the basics. gas, groceries, immigration, housing prices, and have numbers in front of you. statistics. stop taking things so personally. you're a grown man. >> is there any sense that trump is past his best? >> i honestly think that the assassination attempt shook him more than he's acknowledging. i think that he is a smart man. i think that he is a smart man. i think he's a good leader, but i think he's a good leader, but i think that he i think he was definitely affected by that attempt more than he's letting on. >> i tend to agree with you, because i was on air when it happened, and i asked america's psychiatrist doctor carol lieberman, whether he would suffer ptsd, and she denied that she's a big trump supporter. but itend she's a big trump supporter. but i tend to agree. i think he has been impacted by what was, of course, the most awful attempt on his life that would affect anyone, wouldn't it? so what do you think? what's your latest best guess as to the outcome in november? >> that i'm getting on a dinghy

with my four dogs and i'm going to live illegally in your country because keir starmer is not going to stop me. >> well, your one illegal immigrant that we're happy to have. i'll take that as we don't know yet. too close to call and it is going to be close, isn't it? let's talk about the royal family. and we haven't spoken since. the good news that princess catherine has completed her chemotherapy treatment. she's still recovering slowly. but the good news that the world has been waiting for. >> absolutely. that she's no longer having to do chemotherapy. look i have seen some of the negative reaction to this video. the daily mail alleging that people are worried that catherine's leaning too far into meghan and harry territory with this glossy, highly produced video. i think that thatis produced video. i think that that is , you know, liz jones was that is, you know, liz jones was so critical of this video and that really, you know , it made that really, you know, it made me so mad. mark. i was so angry because i feel like what we saw was catherine coming up for air. i felt like she she needs this

moment of relief because it is just a moment. she is going to continue to focus on her health because she's not in the clear yet. and we even saw prince william say something similar to somebody that asked about her this last week. so it was just a, you know, just a moment to feel good and just to say, i have a second where i can be happy and look forward to the future. so let me enjoy that. so to see some of the criticism about that video just really upsets me. and i think it's very, very unfair indeed . very, very unfair indeed. >> what will catherine's gradual return to the spotlight mean for her husband, the prince of wales? >> well, you know, i think that we have seen him take on a lot more work and really accept this new responsibility with such grace . you know, we covered the grace. you know, we covered the reluctant prince for years. he was criticised for being one of the laziest royals. whatever and now we've seen somebody that is

taking on private trips in a private capacity, popping up here and there, taking on a lot more work to, to support his father, who also has cancer. and i just think that people are really starting to see prince william as an international leader and see him in this bigger role. he's not just that young, handsome prince anymore . young, handsome prince anymore. and i think people are really excited about the future. prince william being the future and excited about what he's capable of doing. >> have you sent prince harry a 40th birthday gift? >> oh, it must be lost in the mail. >> yeah, i mean, it's quite a it's quite a moment, isn't it? i'll be tackling harry's 40th in my take at ten tomorrow. a take at ten special. but your reflections on the birthday boy. where is he at at the moment? is he in a good place? >> i, you know, my favourite is this new sun headline mid midlife crisis, where prince harry, you know, is his friends

are concerned that he's no longer. >> you know, he's not in a happy place here in the states. and if you look at him going on this trip in the mountains this weekend for his birthday, i would just say this is a guy that's constantly surrounded by older women in montecito that are more successful than he is, that are independently wealthy, that are independently wealthy, that are independently wealthy, that are self—made, and that's got to be humbling for a guy who was birthed into his position . was birthed into his position. i'm sure he needs some dudes around him, some testosterone. >> i think he does. i could easily provide it. kinsey, i missed you hugely in the month of august. it's great to be back and can't wait for our weekly encounters in the run up to christmas. the queen of us showbiz, royal and political reporting kinsey schofield. check out her excellent royal website. to die for daily and the podcast of the same name. folks, we've got a developing story. the prime minister, keir starmer, breached rules over his wife's clothes bought by lord alli. that's right. the prime minister breached parliamentary rules by failing to declare that a multi—millionaire businessman and party donor bought high end

clothes for his wife, victoria. this is a labour sleaze scandal. they've in for ten minutes. and my reaction

it's 1030, which means it's time it's1030, which means it's time for this . and we start with the for this. and we start with the observer, courtesy of bobby. thank you for these papers, bobby. alarm grows over possible iran, russia. nuclear deal britain and the us have raised fears that russia has shared nuclear secrets with iran in return for tehran supplying moscow with ballistic missiles to bomb ukraine. also, nurseries say new rules reduce care to crowd control. the first major study into the conservatives controversial shake up of child care has revealed that nursery staff are often doing more crowd control than education because of the increased number of children they're looking after and back on her feet, amy dowden

takes to the floor with fellow professional iyaz qaranjik in yesterday's launch episode of strictly. of course, that's today. it was tonight, but these are tomorrow's papers. next up, the sunday express pensioners, £1,000 worse off under labour. labour's assault on pensioners would leave older people almost £1,000 worse off as temperatures plummet for the winter. campaigners fear the vulnerable and the elderly will be forced to cut back on food and heating, while struggling with anxiety about paying their bills. if chancellor rachel reeves continues to target them in next month's budget . the sunday times month's budget. the sunday times now regulator plans could boot england out of euro 2028, warns uefa england could be banned from the first euros it's hosted in a generation. if sir keir starmer moves ahead with existing plans for a men's football regulator. also go it alone and let ukraine fire missiles. pm told five former

defence secretaries and an ex prime minister have urged sir keir starmer to allow ukraine to use long—range storm shadow missiles to strike inside russia, even without us backing. and how about this a sunday times exclusive? starmer breached rules over clothes that donor gave wife. the prime minister, keir starmer , breached minister, keir starmer, breached parliamentary rules by failing to declare that a multi—millionaire businessman and party donor bought high end clothes for his wife, victoria . clothes for his wife, victoria. sir keir faces an investigation after neglecting to disclose that lord alli, a labour peer , that lord alli, a labour peer, covered the cost of a personal shoppen covered the cost of a personal shopper. clothes and alterations for lady starmer. alli, the former chair of the online fashion retailer asos, whose wealth is estimated at £200 million, is starmer's biggest personal donor but looks like starmer is paying a political price. sunday telegraph starmer failed to declare gifts to his

wife from party donor. that's from dominic penna, their political correspondent. hunt betrayed truss by demanding she quit. jeremy hunt intervened to ensure liz truss resigned shortly after she made him chancellor. the former former backbench chief has revealed. lord graham brady said the former chancellor rang him on the day of her resignation to urge him to press mistrust not to hang on for six months, adding she must go right away. also, how about this labour's first u—turn? labour backs away from 2020 2030 ban on new petrol cars. ministers are planning to back away from a total ban on the sale of new petrol powered cars by allowing hybrids to remain on the market until 2035. well, those are your front pages. reaction now from sajid qureshi , david oldroyd and lisa qureshi, david oldroyd and lisa mckenzie. can we start? david

with this rather shocking story in the times and the telegraph? sir keir starmer breached rules over clothes that donor gave his wife is this a scandal that's going to grow, do you think? >> well, it's adding to the impression that already exists after a very short time that this labour government is sleazy. why was lord alli buying clothes from sir keir's wife? it's a rather odd thing for one man to do to another's wife if they're not having an affair, which i would hope. there's no suggestion of here. and why did he have a pass for downing street? very, very. >> access. all areas pass. >> access. all areas pass. >> very few. which we understand he no longer has. very, very few people ever have those. certainly not donors usually. that was rather odd . i think that was rather odd. i think there's a growing sense in westminster that there are the trope always used to be that when it comes to scandals, the labour party have money scandals because they don't have enough of it. the tories have sex scandals because they have too much of it. and i think this is just reinforcing that old perception. and it's unfortunate, although it is exquisitely funny because sir keir starmer's labour party is

one of the most pious and one of the most morally high ground i can remember, at least in the way it portrays itself. and to see it fall so low, so quickly is for a conservative. really very amusing, most definitely. >> and of course, there have been allegations about political appointees within the civil service as well. >> yes, indeed. and the and again , donors having access, again, donors having access, donors being given these positions, it all seems to point to me to a to a government that spent a great deal of its time in opposition, telling the tories how bad and sleazy and morally defunct they were, while at the same time copying much of that behaviour. >> well, keir starmer played the moral high ground when it came to partygate and the pandemic and lots of other issues as leader of the opposition. now he's prime minister. he looks to be a man in a glass house throwing stones. >> he reminds me of a 1980s jobcentre manager. right. that's that's that's the vibe. >> in other words, someone that can't help you. >> yeah. well, somebody somebody stands behind the glass and sort of tells you off and tells you,

you know, all the things that you know, all the things that you can't have. and, you know, he's he is pious, he is bureaucratic . bureaucratic, he's bureaucratic. bureaucratic, he's not warm. and i think this you know, imagine what people out in the country are now thinking, you know, they are worried about the winter , about heating, the winter, about heating, especially pensioners. they're worrying about the cost of living. and this man is having clothes bought for him and so is his wife. the optics are terrible. how do they not know this? >> there you go. can this be defended? >> no, i don't think it can. i'm with you, lisa. £1,000. pensioners are worse off is the other headline we've just read. yeah, and £18,000 for asos clothes. i didn't know they cost that much. but indeed, i thought you could get, like quite a bundle with £50, couldn't you. but i mean 18,000. come on. this is, this is really, really bad. and also begs the question, like those who fund our politicians, how much of a say are they

getting in the way that the country is being run? and i've always had a problem with that. it's how much are they influencing the way the country has been run? >> well, indeed. so ali lord alli waheed ali is the former chairman of asos. his wealth lisa is estimated at £200 million. he starmer's biggest donor this year. he's given the labour leader 18,500 pounds for work, clothes and new glasses , work, clothes and new glasses, and he spent £20,000 on accommodation for starmer during the election. why has starmer let this happen? >> i think he because he is so pious. he is the he is the vicar that stands in the, you know, on the pulpit and sort of preaches down. he clearly has no self reference, you know, he doesn't. and he's obviously very, very disconnected to the british public. he clearly is because he, you know, in eight, ten weeks, he's gone from a man that won a massive majority to

probably the most hated man in the country. >> david, you've got a good knowledge of the inner workings of parliament. these clothes, the clothes that starmer was gifted, were declared . but it's gifted, were declared. but it's understood that he omitted to submit details of a wardrobe budget for his wife. how serious could this be if it's upheld? >> well, he'll certainly come in for censure for it, because failing to declare something in the register of members interests within the time allocated or demanded by the independent parliamentary standards authority is a serious breach, i must say. having a look at the photograph on the front of the paper, i can't really see that, sir keir's clothes are any better now than they were before. so if i were a lord alli, i'd want some money back and i come. >> moss bros is good enough. >> moss bros is good enough. >> well, it certainly is for him. i come back to this point. why why does lady starmer need lord alli to buy her clothes? sir keir not do it. can she not do it? it seems very odd indeed. >> well, i wonder, i suppose she's a public figure too . she's a public figure too. perhaps she deserves a budget so that she can look good.

>> i buy that she buys. she deserves a budget. >> but this isn't the us. she's not the first lady. >> yeah. what you've got to do is. is all she had to do was declare this. all he had to do was declare it. and what makes me angry is because maybe it's just me. i don't like beholding to someone. so if somebody suddenly wanted to buy me a lot of clothes or, you know, i mean, you know, guys for dinner back in the day, they'd expect something in return. but it's like, why? why are you accepting these gifts ? i mean, what kind these gifts? i mean, what kind of what kind of moral compass do you have to just willing like , you have to just willing like, okay, i'm going to get this accommodation for, you know, thousands of pounds. my wife's going to get these clothes for thousands of pounds. i don't i don't it doesn't make me trust him as an individual because i think the accommodation was dunng think the accommodation was during the election campaign, which, you know, it is an expensive due to stand for election in this country. >> and it's perfectly normal for political donors to stand those sorts of expenses. >> that said, keir starmer is a multi—millionaire, isn't he? >> yeah, well, so it is said, but i'm not sure that there's any demonstration that that's the fact he has a house in london, which itself is probably worth a couple of million, but that's locked up in the

property. yes, he was dpp and therefore earns a professional salary, but he leaves an expensive life, as all politicians do . it's not a cheap politicians do. it's not a cheap thing, because public service in this country is really poorly remunerated. if you look at what an mp has paid. >> but, you know, i'm sorry. well, you know, he was wine when he's just removed pensioners heating. >> oh no, he's a hypocrite. look, i'm not defending him. he's a hypocrite. but it is a hypocritical thing to do. >> but you know what is really poorly remunerated , remunerated, poorly remunerated, remunerated, remunerated in this country? working in warehouses like asos, thatis working in warehouses like asos, that is very. >> yes, but they're not running the country. >> so it's sort of apples and oranges really, isn't it? >> not really. >> not really. >> i mean, you know, of course it is. >> you can't say that the prime minister of the g7's fifth biggest economy is in any way comparable in his remuneration to someone packing boxes in a warehouse. it's a facile comparison. >> no. well, what i'm saying is that with lord alli , who is now that with lord alli, who is now buying his clothes and he's accepting those clothes for, i don't know why , you know, at the don't know why, you know, at the same time, there are hundreds of thousands of people in this

country who work for these warehouses. and i live in an area that is purposely been been zoned as low skill and low paid and they have very, very dodgy contracts that come up and that come in and out. >> i don't think you would have thought of any of that, to be honest. i think it was just the opficsin honest. i think it was just the optics in the country . i agree optics in the country. i agree with you. optics don't look good. >> that's the optics. >> that's the optics. >> just the optics and reality are often at divergence. i don't know about you. i'd rather like the prime minister when he's going to meet the president of the united states to look like a serious figure, and if that means that he has to go to savile row and have lord alli get him a couple of suits, it's a price worth paying. >> he'd still i mean, i don't agree with half the stuff he has donein agree with half the stuff he has done in america. i don't think he is working in our interest. so i mean, i don't think the way he looks, the man, the way he dress, the way he dresses, i don't think that makes any relevance as long as he's obviously you don't want someone like michael foot. i mean, he was all jeremy scruffy. yeah, yeah, he was bad. but at the same time, we're talking about this gift of clothes for no reason that has not been declared. all he had to do was

declared. all he had to do was declare it. >> does it demonstrate a poor political judgement on the part of starmer to accept this gift for a wardrobe given, as you said, that he's spoken out about tory sleaze, does it tell us that he's got, i don't know, a political blind spot, perhaps. >> well, what you've got to remember is the conservatives, they've never , you know, they've they've never, you know, they've said who they they represent. they've always represented, you know, the party of business, the labour party have not done that. they have always said they are . they have always said they are. well, they came out of the working class and the trade unions . now they can't have it unions. now they can't have it both ways. they can't tell the working class of britain or working class of britain or working people of britain that they are with them. and then at they are with them. and then at the same time take gifts of clothing, because it doesn't. >> the labour party has always done this. nye bevan lived in a house in eaton square and had a rolls—royce with a driver provided by labour donors. you know, it's nothing new for labour party politicians to act in a hypocritical manner in relation to personal wealth and remuneration. >> but don't you think it was crazy of starmer to accept a gift of 20,000 for clothes? i mean, how can you spend £20,000

on suits? i can tell you that the director of public prosecutions in 2021 was paid £215,000. so don't you think that starmer could stretch to a few of his own clothes? i'm sure he could. marks and spencer next. >> i think your point is correct. i think your point is correct. i think your point is correct that it shows that he has poor political judgement , has poor political judgement, and again, i come back to the fact that we are only two months into this government and every week there is a new financial scandal. i think unless sir keir finds a way of nixing all of this, that is going to be the lasting perception of his government that they were dodgy when it came to money. >> okay, well , lots more to >> okay, well, lots more to come. why are we being kept in the dark about migrant crime? it's a shocking set statistics we'll look at next. plus more front

>> first. right. welcome back. >> first. right. welcome back. >> more front pages. and we have the mail on sunday. let's have a look at what they splashed with a hugely controversial vote

look at what they splashed with a hugely programme. vote look at what they splashed with a hugely programme. ilote look at what they splashed with a hugely programme. i have never eugenics programme. i have never trusted the state. if the state doesn't value life, i don't think it can value how people die. i think in the week where i have seen thousands and thousands of comments about pensioners dying in winter and goods because they voted brexit and i've seen those those comments, i don't think that this is i don't trust this country with our elderly, i really don't. interesting. >> david, what do you think about this? >> i'm viscerally opposed to it on two grounds. one, because as a catholic, i believe in the absolute inviolable sanctity of human life. and the other on practical grounds, because in every country where assisted dying has been brought in, as it so euphemistically called it has proved exactly as lisa said, to be the thin end of the wedge. look at the medical assistance in dying scheme in canada , where in dying scheme in canada, where homeless service veterans are offered euthanasia instead of being helped back into work and productive life. look at belgium, where children with

depression have been allowed to commit suicide. similarly, in holland, look at the states of the us where this is legal in every single instance. those who advocate for it and say, well, this is just a slippery slope argument, it's fallacious, are proved to have been lying because in every single instance it does prove that people abuse the system, that the system is abused by state actors who, frankly, can't be bothered finding ways around difficult social problems and by people who are unscrupulous and want to inherit. >> do you think it happens to a certain degree in the nhs? >> already assisted dying? well, doctors to whom i've spoken about this said that there is long in the medical profession being a sort of turn the other cheek. if someone's in deep pain, you know, someone might just administer a little more morphine than is strictly necessary or withhold medication that. necessary or withhold medication that . but look, those are in the that. but look, those are in the days when palliative care was nowhere near the sophistication of nowadays we have one of the best palliative care systems in the world. i'm very glad to say there is no need for people to be in pain at the end of life in

the way that they were in the past, because there was no other option. and i just don't see that this is going to be anything other than a licence for the most appalling degradation of course, we've had campaigners like dame esther rantzen arguing that if you're in terrible pain with a limited life expectancy, a very low or non—existent quality of life , non—existent quality of life, surely you have the right to choose. >> you know, we've spoken about this before and i'm kind of agreeing with my panellist friends here, i, i, i find it a difficult . i don't, i don't difficult. i don't, i don't think it should be made into law . think it should be made into law. i can see the point of esther rantzen and other people in that position, but once you put it into legislation, it is going to be open to misuse. and i don't, i don't, i don't believe that you should just let you you can't play god. no, you can't play can't play god. no, you can't play god. you can't. i mean, and also your life is sacred and i know in that circumstance and i know in that circumstance and i know we're not in that position, and i hope i never have to be. i just want to slip away in my sleep or just give me a little sleep orjust give me a little bit of extra morphine, because that's delicious. that is, it's really lovely. >> how much are you on tonight? >> how much are you on tonight? >> yeah, i've, i mean, you know, i've sort of been in contact

with, disability campaign groups, and they are very against this. >> so, you know, i think the people who are at risk of this, these policies, if you're not listening to them again , not listening to them again, not listening, you know, and it's the disability campaigners that are saying , no, the disability campaigners that are saying, no, this is this is unsafe. >> and also esther can go to switzerland, you know, so there isn't there are options for those who want that to go somewhere else and do this. so i just think that we should keep our laws clean in terms of not having this. >> how about this from the centre for migration control, who have done some new research, and they've unearthed the fact that foreign born nationals are disproportionately behind the country's increasing number of arrests . in 2023, there was one arrests. in 2023, there was one arrests. in 2023, there was one arrest of a british national per 94 people but foreign born nationals. this rate surge is up to 1 in 70. does it matter ? to 1 in 70. does it matter? should we be looking at these numbers, these foreign born

nationals? >> i'm a foreign born national, so i mean, i think. are you a foreign born national? are you born? >> well, no. my folks were, though. yeah. >> okay. so, i mean, you know what? i don't we talked about this outside about where are these figures coming from? >> well, i suppose would you say it's the correlation between migration and crime? yeah. which is it, is it appropriate to, to make that link or not? >> look, we we've been doing this and i know i've been heanng this and i know i've been hearing this over and over again. oh look, you know the migrants, they're responsible for all the violence. they're responsible for all the things that are happening in your life. they're responsible for the fact that you can't get the housing latter. they're responsible, you know, and now we've just got another thing. so it's just another thing. so it's just another little. but i don't know where these random do you feel it's demonisation perhaps. >> and dehumanisation. >> and dehumanisation. >> i'd like to hear more. i don't know enough to be able to comment on this because i don't believe that this is a, you know, these random i mean, i think it's based on number number of arrests and ethnic origin, essentially. and who's done this? it's like, i don't know, we're just throwing figures all all these figures all the time. and we don't know. >> the centre for migration control , you know, you've also

control, you know, you've also got other stats. this is from the office for budget responsibility. that low skilled migrants are actually a net cost to the state of more than £150,000 by the time they reach the state pension age. but do we need to look at this data? is it appropriate to view the workforce and the population in this way ? this way? >> i am i am a this way? >>iam|ama|'ma this way? >> i am i am a i'm a researcher. i do lots of i do research and i am an advocate of good research. so what i want to know is i want to know where these figures have come from. i want to know who's collecting them, and i want to see the data . as far as i am see the data. as far as i am aware at the moment, there is not good data about this, however, is there a correlation between crime and poverty ? yes between crime and poverty? yes there is. and when we've got we have got , a there is. and when we've got we have got, a migrant there is. and when we've got we have got , a migrant population have got, a migrant population who are sitting at the bottom of society. so, okay, it might be david, a couple of seconds, i'm afraid. >> thoughts on this , >> thoughts on this, >> thoughts on this, >> well, i think if there is proved to be a correlation, which seems entirely probable, then it just shows us yet

another reason why we shouldn't have so much immigration into this country, >> listen, folks, mark dolan tonight is the home of big opinions and the take at ten and diverse opinion. thank you to my amazing pundits tonight. brilliant to see you all again. sajeela david. lisa, tomorrow night we're back for mark dolan tonight nine till 11. lots to get through, including prince harry's 40th headliners. is next. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello, good evening and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, we've got a bit of a mix in the weather for this weekend. sunny spells, blustery showers, also some cloud and some outbreaks of rain but lots of fine weather around two. and the reason for this mix is that we've got high pressure to the south, giving us those fine conditions, but we've also got a weather front that's slowly sinking its way southeastwards across the country, bringing us that cloud and rain. now, as we head into this evening,

that cloud and rain. now, as we head into this evening , that head into this evening, that cloud and rain will slowly move its way into northern areas. and behind it we've got plenty of blustery showers moving their way into western parts of scotland, but to the far south, that's where it's going to be clear and dry and feeling quite chilly as soon as the sun goes down tonight may even see a little bit of grass frost in rural spots down to the south. so to start sunday then as i say, plenty of showers moving their way into western and northern parts of scotland, across northern ireland and just into the scottish borders. a fairly cloudy start, but that will break up as we head through the day. cloud and outbreaks of rain and drizzle, which could be a touch heavy over hills across northern areas of england and wales. but, as i say across the south, after a chilly night, thatis south, after a chilly night, that is going to make it feel cold on sunday to begin with. through the day though, things are going to warm up where we have this band of cloud, rain and drizzle that may just linger on for a time. so quite a damp day for some northern areas of england and wales. sunny spells and blustery showers through

into scotland. some of these could be heavy with some hail and thunder, but once again down to the south and southeast , to the south and southeast, that's where they'll hold onto the warmer weather and largely dry as well. now for the start of the new week, we'll start to see high pressure taking hold, which means for most of the country, largely fine and dry conditions. plenty of sunny spells around. you might just see a build of high cloud in the northwest, with a weather front down out into the atlantic, and that high pressure does hold on, which means plenty of fine and settled weather for the beginning of next week. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good evening. the top story, sir keir starmer is alleged to have broken parliamentary rules by failing to declare donations of clothing for his wife. the gifts from labour donor lord alli weren't initially declared in the register of mps

interests. the sunday times reports that the prime minister approached the parliamentary authorities on tuesday to make a late declaration, after being given updated advice on what needed to be registered. the tories demanded a full investigation into the starmer's links with lord alli. an 18 year old has been charged with the murders of a woman and two teenagers who were found dead at a flat in luton yesterday that's coming from bedfordshire police, although formal identification has yet to take place, the force does believe that the three found dead are 48 year old giuliana prosper, 16 year old kyle prosper and giselle prosper, who was 13. nicholas prosper, who was 13. nicholas prosper has also been charged with numerous firearms offences and he is due to appear at luton magistrates court on monday. and he is due to appear at luton magistrates court on monday . a magistrates court on monday. a man allegedly sexually assaulted a woman on the same day he was released from prison under the government's early release scheme. it's understood he was released as part of the policy, which aims to ease prison

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