the day, gunshots earlier in the day, gunshots were reported in the vicinity of donald trump at his golf course at mar a lago in florida. well, since then , the fbi are now since then, the fbi are now approaching this as an attempt on donald trump's life. a weapon has been recovered. an ak 47 style weapon with a scope. the latest we have is that donald trump was approximately 3 to 500 yards away from the shooter. this story could have panned out very differently, and it could have taken a very dark direction for american democracy and the free world. but as i've said with good fortune once again , with good fortune once again, donald trump has cheated an attempt on his life. he's back attempt on his life. he's back at home now at his compound in mar—a—lago. we've heard from his opponents , kamala harris, who opponents, kamala harris, who said she's very pleased that he is safe. as you'll see there, that's a motorcade. donald trump in one of those cars. we understand being escorted away from the golf course. now you'd expect him to be safe on one of

his golf courses. these golf courses are world renowned attractions, and they are protected with fences and security. but still a shooter managed to get close to trump in what could have been a political tragedy for america. so the secret service are all over this. i understand that they shot at the alleged individual who's now in police custody. they've got the weapon as well. and joe biden of course, serving us president is across the story and wishes donald trump well after what appears to be a very traumatic incident. so, look, we're going to speak to experts across the pond. the implications for this are politically and also whether or not the election will have a different hue going forward for reaction in the studio. i'm delighted to have the former brexit party mep and political broadcaster annunziata rees—mogg

and two headliners, stars and gb news contributors josh howie and carrie marks. josh, can i start with you.7 your carrie marks. josh, can i start with you? your reaction when you heard this breaking news that donald trump has once again cheated death? >> yeah, i mean, well, cheated death? >> yeah, i mean, well , the first >> yeah, i mean, well, the first thing was they were saying that it wasn't actually an assassination attempt, that it might have been gunfire between people outside of the course because it's america. >> and that happens all the time. >> yeah. it's just you're more likely it's like being in new york and being near rats. yeah. it's like there's always going to be a gunfight about six metres away from you. but now, as more evidence has emerged and these were this was the secret service doing their job this time it seemed like they were a hole ahead. that's what i read. and they saw the guns sticking out and they fired. and the man, the man ran off. he drove. they caught him about 50 miles later. supposedly he's a white man in his 60s. that's what i read on a newspaper website . yeah, because newspaper website. yeah, because i did some research. well, then

it must be an expert. and. but yes, of course, this is good news for democracy . this is not news for democracy. this is not how a western liberal democracy is meant to function through violence or threats of violence. >> well, indeed. scary. you can hate donald trump or you can love him. but thank you. exactly. it's nice to give me choices. knock yourself out. okay? eeny meeny miney mo. but what's important is that all our politicians are safe . all our politicians are safe. all our politicians are safe. all our politicians are safe. i mean, like in the west happen here. the free world, you know, the uk, america , any democracy. uk, america, any democracy. we've got to make sure that those participating in it are not in peril . oh, i generally not in peril. oh, i generally think that's a good idea. >> i think, you know, being shot at is and shouldn't be part of the deal. >> but you know , at the moment >> but you know, at the moment we don't know a whole lot about it. >> the suspects could just about be anyone. >> it could be someone who's angry about the cats and dogs. >> comment. >> comment. >> for all we know, it could be jd vance trying to be president too early, but it's not. >> it's not the first time a president's been shot twice ehhen president's been shot twice either. there's been quite a

few. and abe lincoln, of course, was shot twice. and, you know, the first time was before he was president as well. so, you know, it happens. but i suppose now on a golf course which a president can't play, golf is really going to hit them hard, i think, with all of them. >> so yeah, at the bottom line, annunziata rees—mogg is there are lots of people that don't want donald trump to become president. there are and passions are running incredibly high in america , that it's high in america, that it's almost as though they're taking almost as though they're taking a tax on their opposition as personal, that this is becoming very personalised to the individual voters in an almost bizarre way, that there was a definite , you know, upswelling definite, you know, upswelling of passionate support for obama as the first black president back in 2010. >> but this feels much more personal. it's not that they're representing a group, it's that they're individuals who are inspiring these reactions. >> most definitely. well, look , >> most definitely. well, look, now let's head back to the united states and speak to

democratic strategist bob wiener. bob, thank you so much for joining us. your reaction to this second attempt on the life of donald trump ? of donald trump? >> well, mark, thank you for having me. and you know, i love talking with gb news, but not quite like this. yeah, but my first reaction was how stupid are we already an ak 47 with a with a scope, an ak 47 that bill clinton banned, bill clinton bannedit. clinton banned, bill clinton banned it . and biden was helpful banned it. and biden was helpful as chair of judiciary in banning it. and the nra forced a ten year sunset on the ban . we've year sunset on the ban. we've done op eds, mark and 19 of 20 mass shootings. those are with ten or more are done with ak 47 or ar 15 seconds or their parallels. and that means the nra is just plain stupid because they could avoid their worst press if they allowed this ban to be restored, and then the

regular guns that are used for shooting deer could be done legally . as kamala, kamala, legally. as kamala, kamala, kamala harris said, she's a gun owner, as is vance. so that's my first reaction. my second reaction is that i heard your preamble coverage and it was it was a guy who got into the bushes around a golf course. you know, i'm a runner and i have illegally run on more golf courses than i can count on 20 times my fingers. and toes. and the reason is because you can't protect an entire golf course. people get in from any direction. and if you go early morning or early night, you can run on them. well, this guy figured out the way in and he got in. so i heard some analysis that said it doesn't take a lot of manpower to do the access roads. well, maybe that's an answer to this is another case, it seems, of secret service snafu, a blundering secret service . they didn't have a guy service. they didn't have a guy on top 150ft away. the last time, and they didn't see him carry up, and they didn't pay attention to the local police

that said, there's a guy with a gun about to shoot. this time they lucked out, and a witness was there, and a witness took a picture and a witness snapped the license plate, and they got the license plate, and they got the guy. and by the way, the media that's saying that they're protecting the guy's name. no, fox already broadcast his name. i won't repeat it, but. but it's out there . it's out there. out there. it's out there. >> it just if you're if you're joining us and let me bring you up to speed on the fact that donald trump has once again cheated death, the fbi are investigating an attempted assassination on the former president at his golf course in florida. these are live pictures. if you're just joining us, at the golf course, which, as you can see, is cordoned off with police tape. bob, you are a democratic strategist. are donald trump's opponents guilty of demonising him and therefore making him out to be some kind of monster that deserves to be attacked ? attacked? >> every public figure gets death threats. i was barry mccaffrey, the four star general and drug tsar spokesman in the white house and on our way to and from mexico. we had more

death threats. and mark nolan, from cbs news said, is it real? i said, mark, i'm not going to comment. and he said, i'm going to take that as a yes. it was real. it was real. we had lots of them. that's part of the price. but you said that he cheated death. no, i think he caused his almost death by not banning ak 47 and ar 15 seconds. i think that's more to the point. republicans are blocking the control of the kind of gun that's the most used in complex situations and mass shootings . situations and mass shootings. >> bob, how does this change the race for the white house? >> it doesn't it doesn't change it at all. and in fact, the issue that should be made is let's ban , as kamala harris has let's ban, as kamala harris has said, to be done, ak 47 and ar 15, as was done by, by clinton and gore and biden years ago, and gore and biden years ago, and the nra stopped the ban from continuing after ten years. let's get back to it. >> well, that's the bob i would love. bob. it's none of my business. i am a uk citizen, but

i agree with you. i would love america to be gun free. but don't you think the genie is out of the lamp now, given the fact that there are more firearms in america than people. >> you missed my point. this is an ak 47, a very specialised gun, and those are the ones that are used in mass shootings and now are being used apparently in assassination attempts of presidents or former presidents. so let's stick to the reality. it's the gun. it's the gun , it's it's the gun. it's the gun, it's the gun. and america has not waked up to the need to ban ak 40, ban assault rifles. >> now, bob, you've just said that what's happened today, this attempt on donald trump's life doesn't change anything politically. isn't that wishful thinking? because no one's going to be talking about the cats and dogs story anymore. they're going to be talking about this heroic figure that is managed to survive a second attempt on his life. >> the heroic figure that could have banned the gun that went after him. is that what you're trying to say? i don't agree with you. i think that it will

not change the equation. and it will make the case more for what the democrats are pressing for. and the republicans are refusing to allow, which is which is some control rational on guns , indeed. >> but if somebody wants to kill a presidential candidate, they will, won't they? and you're right about the ak 47. but america is chock full of all sorts of dangerous weapons and ultimately , no figure will ever ultimately, no figure will ever be safe in america . be safe in america. >> yeah, well, if he had a handgun and he was that far away and he's in the bushes, he's probably going to miss. so you got to deal with that part of it, that's the point. he had an ak 47 with a scope. >> bob, as a former democratic strategist, would you suggest that kamala harris changes tack now, or does she stick with the approach she's taken so far ? approach she's taken so far? >> you mean she should stop saying ban ak 47 and assault rifles? i don't think she should stop doing that. i think she should make that case stronger and say, we want safety in america and donald trump should join us. >> and what about her wider

political strategy? it appears to be working so far. so would you stay on those tracks? >> yeah. you know, my first reaction, you know, you think what you think is, how did he set this one up? you know, but of course he didn't. and of course, it was some madman out of the blue that that has some motive that nobody knows. and it seems that single because the fbi said there's no more danger. so apparently the situation is safe now. but i don't think it changes anything. i think she she should just add in, let's ban ak 47 and make it a stronger case.i ban ak 47 and make it a stronger case. i think that should be the changed equation . changed equation. >> why is donald trump so hated ? >> why is donald trump so hated? >> why is donald trump so hated? >> because he is so close to putin. he loves strongmen. he wants to ignore the constitution. he wants to convict his enemies. this is america. we don't convict our enemies, because he believes in vendetta and vindication. because he's lying to himself and everyone about the election. and when 64 judges said he

didn't have a case and then he wants to say, oh, those were staged. they included trump judges and then the convictions on him and his corporations and his foundations that were shut down were with trump jurors that were screened and were allowed to stay in just as the other side's jurors were. so this guy is all for himself and not for america and wants the main thing to do is to give tax breaks to the rich. another $5 trillion to cheat our deficit. to make it worse , instead of helping the worse, instead of helping the poorin worse, instead of helping the poor in the middle, or perhaps to grow or perhaps to grow the economy as he did in 2016, he did not. that is a false statement . he did not. that is a false statement. he had did not. that is a false statement . he had fewer jobs. statement. he had fewerjobs. he's the only president to lose jobs since herbert hoover, and democrats have had a 5.5% gdp growth, because they do tax breaks for the lower and middle republicans have had a 1.5%. the library of congress did the study, i published it, i did the 0p study, i published it, i did the op ed on it, and i lectured at your london school of economics on the differences between the parties and what is there. >> tell me this, bob . if he's so >> tell me this, bob. if he's so

dreadful, why are tens of millions of americans going to vote for him in november ? vote for him in november? >> biased bigotry , the 50 >> biased bigotry, the 50 million bigots, 50 million bigots, 60 million. >> 70 million. >> 70 million. >> it's a problem , isn't it? >> it's a problem, isn't it? it's a problem. and it's a matter of discrimination. it's a matter of discrimination. it's a matter of discrimination. it's a matter of wanting. so they're all racists as well. >> 50 million racists, 50 million bigots, basket of deplorables, tax breaks for the rich that they think are going to trickle down and they don't. >> that is the wrong economic strategy. that is ineffective. >> okay, well, listen, bob, i wish you well . it's been good to wish you well. it's been good to have you on the show. thank you for your instant reaction to this attempt on donald trump's life . for the second time in a life. for the second time in a matter of months, bob wiener, former democratic party strategist with me in the studio. i'm delighted to have gb news commentators, the one and only carrie marks , josh howie only carrie marks, josh howie and former brexit party mep annunziata rees—mogg. well, a spirited debate there and after

that i've had with bob wiener demonstrating just how polarised us politics is, and it's just going to get worse, i think that demonstrated very clearly from bob , quite how big the divisions bob, quite how big the divisions already are, but how every single incident is going to be used to widen the chasm between the two groups and the idea that almost half or just over half, because we don't know the result yet of american voters are bigots and racists, is a deplorable thought to even hold. >> it's not possible. it's not possible . you can oppose people possible. you can oppose people without feeling the need to denigrate their characters in that way, but the idea that this will garner support for kamala harris because she wants to ban ak 47 seconds, i think, in its weird way, is just as dangerous that it's just making these gaps between the two sides bigger and bigger . bigger. >> most definitely donald trump in america, a divisive figure.

but what does this do to the outcome in november? >> josh yeah, well, the problem is and i think annunziata sort of really nailed it earlier, is the sort of the, the cultish politics that we seem to have, embodied over the last, you know, across the west, in the uk and also in america, where it isn't about your particular political positions anymore. it's about who the leader is . it's about who the leader is. and you have to be. yeah. of your tribe and your sort of slavish dedication and devotion to them. and you can't hear any different. so you can't ever criticise your own side. and the leader in terms of how it's and sadly, what that means is, is i don't think it will have much of an impact because it seemed like at the last assassination attempt, which is a crazy thing to say. the last assassination attempt, it seemed like it was all in the bag for trump, you know, those images came out, his polling figures went kind of through the roof, and it seemingly kind of been

forgotten, over. it was only six weeks ago, but i guess the narrative just moves so quickly nowadays. then kamala comes into the race, and then it becomes about now she is now, and then taylor swift. it could well have been a taylor swift fan, by the way. most definitely because he did . trump did just say that he did. trump did just say that he hated taylor swift and those swifties, they're serious. they've got a lot of ak 47 seconds. >> yeah, they're the new corbynites. they're the only onesi corbynites. they're the only ones i fear. carrie obviously the political discourse in america is extremely toxic. is there a danger that could happen here? >> i mean, it's extremely polarising out there, but it's. look, i think on the on the comments, bob, i don't know enough about american about guns and weapons and so on, and maybe there's a point with ak 47 seconds, but it seems to me quite appalling to say this is anything to do with policies and so on. and someone i can understand, people getting upset with the policies of a politician, but not to the point where you're trying to shoot them. that takes something different. that's not because he believes in this or has said that. that is because someone has either got mental illness or

believes there is some right to do that, to make that decision on behalf of the country. it's a very odd position to take. well, indeed. >> i mean, josh, americans are going to be worried every day that donald trump will suffer another assassination attempt. it feels like a long time between now and november. >> yeah. i mean , this this rate >> yeah. i mean, this this rate every six weeks there's another two coming, and also just the toll it's going to take on him. you know, he's out there, he's on a golf course. everybody has the right to have recreation time. and i believe golf is his favourite thing. it's, you know, to live under that kind of pressure, that kind of hate directed at you and to know that it could be over for you at any time. it's like the sort of ending of the sopranos. yeah, it's not a nice way of living, and, or playing or playing or playing or anything . yeah. playing or anything. yeah. >> no, it's, ruins a game. >> no, it's, ruins a game. >> it'sjust >> no, it's, ruins a game. >> it's just bad. >> no, it's, ruins a game. >> it'sjust bad. it's >> no, it's, ruins a game. >> it's just bad. it's bad for the world, frankly. >> no. it's definitely. well, folks, let's remind ourselves of what donald trump had to say following this attempt on his

life. he's been speaking through his team about what happened today and a characteristically defiant message. here's what he had to say. i'll be honest with you. i'm just struggling to see this. let's just flash the words up on the prompter. if we can. but the main thrust of it was very simple, which is i'm safe and well, and i will never surrender. he also thanked his supporters. i will always love you for supporting me . brilliant you for supporting me. brilliant stuff. he said. there were gunshots in my vicinity. but before rumours start spiralling out of control, i wanted you to hear this first. i am safe and well. nothing he said will slow me down. i will never surrender unity, peace and make america great again. let's get reaction now from us political analyst, analyst and also a man that's spent time in the company of donald trump roger gewolb roger, tell me about the donald trump that you know and how you think he'll be reacting this evening,

>> i think the first thing that he will react to, is the fact that your panellists, carrie , that your panellists, carrie, actually slandered jd vance by suggesting that he might have been involved in this. and i wouldn't be surprised if some lawyers don't start sending kerry papers for that. >> well, i think i think, roger, let me interrupt you, because kerry is one of the country's leading comedians, and i'm very sure that he said that in jest. >> but i do take your point that perhaps it was in poor taste on this occasion. >> he didn't introduce he didn't introduce that. and viewers in america and elsewhere won't know that , so i america and elsewhere won't know that, so i think i think he might have been a bit more cautious , and this is, this is a cautious, and this is, this is a serious news report. this is not a comedy show. most definitely, most definitely. >> roger. well, look, i take on board what you've had to say, and i'm sure plenty would would agree with you. >> i just found it. i just found it, you know, rather

inappropriate. in any event, i think that donald trump is as he says, you know, he will not surrender this, this emboldens him , a bob wiener and i argue on him, a bob wiener and i argue on this channel all the time . i'm this channel all the time. i'm always accusing him of telling porkies because so much of what he says cannot be substantiated. he he seems to make it up as he goes along. and i've told him that. and that is essentially how the democrats have become these days . and it's not these days. and it's not a question just of the gaps widening, there is something much more serious going on here which can result in these sort of incidents. >> are you worried about the impact this will have on the mental health of donald trump? he's a robust figure. he's ebullient. he's self—confident. but many have suggested that actually he's suffered post—traumatic stress disorder since the first assassination attempt in july. and this this

will this will shake him further today. >> well, the people i know who are close to him do not say that. that's the case, and my experience of him is that, you know , as bob wiener said, you know, as bob wiener said, you know, as bob wiener said, you know, presidents get shot at all the time. people get , death the time. people get, death threats in office like that. i don't think it will. he's he's playing too much. he's trying to save america and the world. he's not going to let that deter him, however. >> roger, sorry to interrupt you, but following a rather chaotic performance in the tv debate on tuesday, does he not strike you as a slightly diminished figure ? diminished figure? >> no, i think i think he was set up, tons of people are, tweeting me that kamalas earrings were actually earpieces. they sent me pictures of them and that she was being coached by handlers. i have no idea. but this is what a lot of people are saying, the muted

mikes, you know, worked against him. and of course it doesn't take a genius to see that they fact checked almost everything he said and almost nothing. she said, you can go on and there have been so many articles and so many programs made about how one sided that debate was, that i think, i one sided that debate was, that ithink, i mean, i don't think i think, i mean, i don't think he shined as he usually did, but given the circumstances, i think he did pretty ruddy well. >> what are we to, how are we to interpret his decision to not participate in any further tv debates? >> and do you think he might change his mind after today ? change his mind after today? >> i hope he does. i think his decision is probably a reaction, because i actually predicted that he would wipe the floor with her. and i was completely wrong. i, i think i would call it, as i've written in many articles, a door, and i think that he should debate her again , that he should debate her again, but make sure that it's set up

with really a seriously impartial, neutral moderators and a network that doesn't interfere, >> is this a man who's not quite the figure he was in 2020 or indeed, in 2016? i mean, he's an older chap now. perhaps he hasn't got your energy and your staying power. roger, i mean, he's more than he was then. >> he's when he walks in the room, there's an aura that explodes. and he's he's like a 50 year old running around talking to everybody. he hasn't been diminished. i haven't seen him since the two assassination attempts. but, i mean, everything i hear about him, he's doing fine. and he's he's not. he's a very, very, very tough guy. and one of his closest friends and advisers says, the word to describe trump is resilience. nothing stops him. >> he's a very intelligent man, an accomplished entrepreneur, one of the most famous men in the world, a maverick , a

disrupter. >> what a life, what a career. however, is he an undisciplined politician and a liability for republicans? >> not at all. and he's not a politician. i interviewed nigel farage some months ago, and i asked him when we were in the middle of fishy rishi and bates motel hunt and all these people just ignored everything he needed, said and thought for so many years. and i said, why do we have such bad leaders all over the west? biden and nigel said, because it used to be that we had people like, eisenhower, people who were generals, who had led campaigns in one wars or people like trump and berlusconi, who had built empires and knew to how deal with the public and give them what they want . and people who what they want. and people who had been, civil servants who had reformed giant public services, they had done things and they wanted to put something back. now, said nigel, we have a i

don't know what the collective noun is. mark but now we have a bunch of people who are basically oxbridge ppe and all they care about is getting elected and votes, and they don't really think about the electorate that puts them there . electorate that puts them there. >> indeed. but roger, why is someone of donald trump's intellect and experience so all over the shop when it comes to policy? because i've been listening closely to nigel farage myself in recent weeks. he's close to trump and farage, of course, in his own right. one of course, in his own right. one of the most consequential politicians of his generation. and nigel's been saying, you know , that trump will prevail if know, that trump will prevail if he focuses on policy, but he seems singularly unable to do so. 50. >> so. >> why i don't i don't agree. i don't see why you say that. >> his policies seem he talks about eating cats and dogs rather than focusing on the very practical implications of unchecked immigration on the southern border. >> i think he's made a point,

and there have been a flurry of viral videos by young haitian women on tiktok for example, explaining that haitians do eat cats and dogs and they do sacrifice them for their very serious voodoo religion. that's part of their life . part of their life. >> but is that the best? >> but is that the best? >> is that the best possible example to focus on, particularly if it's come from tiktok? can't he talk about crime and the pressure on school places and the health service in relation to unchecked immigration? why does he have to go down the route of, you know, bonkers discussions about cats and dogs, which has made him, rogen and dogs, which has made him, roger, something of a mockery? >> well, it's made him something of a mockery to people here who really don't understand, i'm sorry to say, america and americans and american politics, mind you, americans are even worse at understanding anything. >> so do you think he was right to talk about cats and dogs? was that a good move? >> well, a throw away line of

all the many, many, many things that are happening with this illegal, unchecked immigration. >> it wasn't a speech. ladies and gentlemen, i've come to the podium today to address you about cats and dogs. i mean, this is the kind of unfair, you know , postulating that people do know, postulating that people do to exaggerate his position. it was one example of many, many , was one example of many, many, many things because. so pamela has left so many people across the border who shouldn't be there. and they're all kinds, all kinds. and she's going to keep doing it. and that's what it's very simple. >> roger, roger, what will those crucial, don't know voters the swing voters be thinking tonight ? swing voters be thinking tonight? >> oh well that's a very good question, maybe he'll get a sympathy vote from some of them , sympathy vote from some of them, maybe they will think that they better vote for kamala. because even if he gets elected, he might get taken out during his term of service. and that would

cause turmoil, or maybe there is a real american hero twice. and that's what i want. that's pure as heck. who i want talking to putin, talking to jul and guy anker to china, north korea , anker to china, north korea, yemen, and certainly talking to iran. you know, we had a very dangerous situation, mark, a few days a week ago when israeli intelligence discovered that, yahya sinwar, the head of hamas, was about to take other heads of hamas and all the israeli hostages through the philadelphi courier to tehran . that would courier to tehran. that would have changed world geopolitics. can you imagine a secretary of state, biden, having to get on a plane and go talk to ayatollah khomeini about the hostages? i mean, it was very dangerous . so mean, it was very dangerous. so these are the things that trump will be able to combat. i don't

see kamala having a chance always a treat to have you on the show. >> we'll catch up soon. thank you so much for your fascinating comments this evening. us political analyst and expert on geopolitics roger gewolb with me in the studio, annunziata rees—mogg and josh howie and carrie marks . carrie, what's carrie marks. carrie, what's going to happen next? who's going to happen next? who's going to happen next? who's going to win the election now? >> i'll be interested to see what happens . whether i don't what happens. whether i don't know whether i can talk right now with roger is obviously very upset with me, but you better be careful. >> his lawyers are watching here. >> i was making a wry comment. you are occasionally. we don't know that much yet. and i am a, you know, a comedian and allowed to say things. listen, i'm just saying i'm not going crazy here. you don't have to worry. >> i will. i will visit you in jail. >> yes, i'm sure our viewers in this country will be fine with it. >> roger was sort of clutching his pearls just a little bit too much. they're like, how dare he? >> yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. well, he made he made me think i was on to something that kind of worried me. roger was upset. >> he's close to trump and he

was offended by your remarks about that. but carrie, you're entitled to deploy humour, which we need at all times. but yeah. so no november to your question, though. >> yeah. what do i think will happenis >> yeah. what do i think will happen is we saw a massive spike in popularity for trump after the last shooting. whether that will happen again this time is hard to say. maybe, you know, maybe he'll he'll get shot himself on the way to being president. maybe there's a new, new tactic. oh, i'd better be careful what i'm saying. but roger would be happy. we don't. we don't know at this point whether it would be interesting to see. but, you know, i think at the moment it's fairly immaterial the, the, you know, the event itself is what counts and whether it makes affects popularity or not is kind of irrelevant. >> josh, my heart goes out to what's happened to donald trump this evening, the second attempt on his life. this is a father, a husband, and a figure that many millions would like to see back in in office. however, does he strike you as a diminished figure today ? figure today? >> no, this. well, we haven't actually seen him today. >> no, but i'm just relating to you know, i think his performance on tuesday, which struck me as stumbling, he was

on the defensive, definitely looking a little bit older, >> and he was definitely less focused. he didn't he didn't. >> did he look like a comedian? >> did he look like a comedian? >> that was having a tough gig? >> that was having a tough gig? >> yes. and i because i recognise that look very, very well. i'm very i'm in the mirror many times but it's , so i think, many times but it's, so i think, you know, when he puts out his , you know, when he puts out his, his statement, they're talking about unity and peace . arguably about unity and peace. arguably he's not someone who actually sort of actually practices those words . but sort of actually practices those words. but what we're seeing now onune words. but what we're seeing now online is how the narrative has been pushed by both sides. there's i've just now please don't take this as fake news or not. this has not been confirmed. but what i have seen onune confirmed. but what i have seen online is like i said, it's a white man in his 60s. they've identified who it is. they've already started trolling his social media, turns out he , if social media, turns out he, if this is correct, that he actually voted for trump in 2016 and then has since become a very anti—trump person, but again, that's not confirmed. that's just what i have personally seen

on social media. that could all be fake, but what we are going back to is just this polarisation and this inability to express your, disagreement with political figures, with conversation, with logic, with argument, and instead having to resort to violence. >> is it wrong to hate politicians? is it wrong to hate donald trump or kamala harris or keir starmer or rishi sunak? of coui'se. >> course. >> hate. i mean, that's that's the it's ridiculous. and yet that's the currency of political debate. now then people would say who is partaking in that? it's the rhetoric that is used by everybody. everyone needs to sort of calm down for a second and stop putting our entire identity within these political figures. they're just human beings. >> i'm glad you mentioned identity, because i specifically asked you guys beyond tonight because you're jewish and, you know, it's my favourite religion. so here's the point. somebody just said online actually is on a tv show in america that donald trump is the same as hitler. okay. so as a

jewish person, your reaction to the invoking of the memory of one of history's worst monsters in relation to donald trump? >> i'm not a fan of trump, but he's not hitler. and to invoke and make that comparison is offensive to the people who suffered under hitler to and obviously to trump himself. it's a ridiculous comparison. but of course, anybody compares everything now to nazis and hitler , and it diminishes the hitler, and it diminishes the impact of what that has. instead of actually going, you know what? i agree with some of the things that he's saying and some of the things that he's not saying it seems like now you're all in or not. >> kerry, is it anti—semitic for people to invoke, evoke memories of hitler in relation to politician? >> you don't think much of? >> you don't think much of? >> okay, i think there's a level where people go to the extreme for any comparison. you know , so for any comparison. you know, so they'll always find the worst thing possible . yes, it's thing possible. yes, it's illiterate. it's historically illiterate. it's historically illiterate. it's historically illiterate. it's a lot of these people really need to read a bit of history and understand what hitler was. well, of course it's

insensitive, but we're in an insensitive, but we're in an insensitive world. you look on twitter and everyone's just saying so many ridiculous things and so many extreme things, and that's become kind of normal to us. but i just i'd rather i'd rather leave hitler abusive about you right now. are they really getting mad? are they calling me hitler? >> the trumpets are after him. they're nearly as bad as the swifties. annunziata. we've had an hour or so for this. no more couple of hours. nearly for this to sink in. your your your reflections on what's happened today. >> i think it is going to polarise the american debate further. we will hear more of the hatred, the, villainization of both of the candidates. i think using hate in these terms is ridiculous that i tell off my six year old if she says i hate the weather, well, you don't. you're not that impassioned by it that it's as bad as hate. it's horrible weather this week . it's horrible weather this week. it's horrible weather this week. it's wet. it's whatever. >> i didn't know you guys lived in wales, but that's another story. >> i think we need all and in all countries need to take this

down a notch or two. but i find it extraordinary that in the american context, you've got 52 states. and what about a dozen of them actually matter in this election? well, indeed . election? well, indeed. >> and, you know, we talk about this hate. and josh is right. you're so right about how that should not be the currency of politics, i wouldn't normally do this, but it's worth mentioning your brother, who's an experienced politician and a brilliant presenter here @gbnews, former conservative mp who has faced a lot of harassment as an mp in the past with himself and his family targeted for verbal abuse, it's just wrong, isn't it? and it's got to stop. >> i don't think you can stop it entirely, but i think you can take the heat out of these arguments that i think it has become very, very personal, and perfectly acceptable to attack individuals, particularly online and fortunately, it does happen, certainly in the uk, much less often in person. but as we've

seen in america, it does seem to be happening in a more physical sense there. >> most definitely. or we'll come back to annunziata and kerry and josh in just a moment. look at that. i am literally the flying presenter for my for my next trick, let's speak to a member of the democratic national committee for california, bob mulholland. bob, really good to have you on the show. your reaction to what's happened today ? happened today? >> american presidents killed in office, including my favourite president kennedy . president president kennedy. president ford had two attempts on his life back in the 70s. >> so i assume this is just another lone wolf who has access to an assault rifle, which i'm quite familiar with because i served in vietnam and was wounded in vietnam. it's just a tragedy of americans. we have too many. these type of weapons. but anyway, at least today in

america, this worked out fine. the secret service got on the job. it also is the weapon of choice for people that go to schools to shoot up kids and teachers. unfortunately currently bob is american politics, now dangerously tribal ? politics, now dangerously tribal? well, the majority of white people have not voted for a democrat for president since 1964. >> if lbj , >> if lbj, >> if lbj, >> so i could say yes , if tribal >> so i could say yes, if tribal hinckley the democrats became the civil rights party . we have the civil rights party. we have paid a price with the majority of white voters. but that doesn't mean that americans are all hateful and stuff like any country, people have people that have mental problems. and sometimes, you know, some of these young kids that go to these young kids that go to these schools, it's you read or hear that they were bullied and they decided to take it out on, on, on somebody. but this is a, this is the greatest country on earth. we just have too many

assault rifles on the streets . assault rifles on the streets. >> how can you detoxify us politics? so that figures like donald trump are not so demonised and hated ? demonised and hated? >> well, i think harris will win on november fifth and then that kind of anger out on the campaign trail will disappear. i think most republicans , politics think most republicans, politics will be happy and move on to a more pragmatic life where we're not always attacking everybody and saying hateful things. >> oh, incidentally, jd vance, the vice president for trump, several years ago, he referred to trump as america's hitler. >> and i thought that was inappropriate. but that's how vance felt at the time . so vance felt at the time. so i don't look at today or several weeks ago as a sign that america, 40,000 americans die every year from gun use in america , some suicide arrests, america, some suicide arrests, murders, and two women a day are killed in america by their husbands or former husbands or

partners. so, unfortunately, that's our tragedy. and, but most americans live a good, healthy life and get on with their business. >> and now, bob, we know that politics is a cynical business. today is a good day to bury bad news, particularly after a forgettable week for donald trump. do you think this changes the implications for the keys to the implications for the keys to the white house? in november ? the white house? in november? >> well, that biden debate was a bad night for biden. the debate with harris and trump was a very bad night for trump, and it's interesting about politics, the first six months of this year, trump spent tens of millions of dollars saying, there's two old guys basically saying there's two old guys in this race. but the other guy, biden, is the old one. well, guess what? trump is now seen , and i think that now seen, and i think that debate showed it as the old guy in this race. and i think a lot

of americans who are not solid for trump started having doubts. and polls indicate that. but it's still six, seven weeks to 90, it's still six, seven weeks to go, so today, attempted to somebody shoot at the president or former president is not an indication of what happened on november 5th. lots of things will happen between now and november 5th. >> likely to vote for donald trump after what's happened today. bob >> oh, i think, as long as the economy is strong and it has been we didn't have a recession like great britain, harris will win . and this attempt today or win. and this attempt today or alleged attempt, we don't know alleged attempt, we don't know all the details, will soon fade from , history and the voters from, history and the voters minds. and hopefully there's no more shootings at anybody , more shootings at anybody, including president biden or on the democrats . harris and waltz. the democrats. harris and waltz. but there's a lot of lone wolves out there. and fortunately for candidates , presidential

candidates, presidential candidates, presidential candidates, they have the secret service around, you know, unlike schools who have , maybe a locked schools who have, maybe a locked door. doon >> how will the harris camp respond to what's happening today and has happened and the political fallout ? political fallout? >> well, i can't speak for them, but i think president biden said everybody's happy that there was no harm to them. and i think the individual has been captured . individual has been captured. >> now, bob, i think we might have lost the line to you there. >> no, i think i can come back to you so , okay. going forward, to you so, okay. going forward, then in november , do you think then in november, do you think there will be we i'm delighted to say bob is still with us. bob, do you think there will be another tv contest? donald trump has previously ruled it out, but somebody that knows him well roger gewolb a global political analyst, has said that another tv debate might be back on the table. what's your view?

>> well , table. what's your view? >> well, obviously trump is like a lot of politicians . they say a lot of politicians. they say one thing one day and then a different thing the next day. and that's just the way of operating. and i assume that's always a possibility if trump is able to add two and two one day consistently, he might say, let's do another debate . let's do another debate. >> and bob, does kamala harris get an easy ride compared to donald trump, who's always been you know, characterised as the new adolf hitler? we don't hear such invective directed at kamala harris, do we? >> oh, yes . oh, yes. i don't >> oh, yes. oh, yes. i don't follow the media, but there are plenty of attacks on harris. honey, this is a country where everybody thinks the first amendment means you can make any accusations and it's tragic, you know, for somebody like me who's been around, i just ignore it. but some high school students who's trying to pay attention to find out a little bit about how a presidential it is terrible that what what some of these kids see because they're on

social media. so yeah, harris and waltz get attacked a lot , and waltz get attacked a lot, just like trump and vance get attacked a lot , attacked a lot, >> would you say that perhaps harris wins on style, but trump wins on substance , given the wins on substance, given the fact that he's focusing on that open southern border? 11 million people having entered the united states illegally in the last three and a half years ? three and a half years? >> well, millions of people come to america, including ukrainian men who i send back, and that happened under under trump also. and unfortunately for families, trump separated those families and laughed about it. but it's and laughed about it. but it's an issue. but i tell you, for women under the age of 45in america, the number one issue is reproductive rights. and trump is on the wrong side of that issue, and we're going to hit him on it every day. in some of the places like pennsylvania, where i grew up, was born, wisconsin and michigan and north carolina. and that's going to hurt trump, trump himself said

after the dobbs decision by the supreme court. oh, i think this is going to hurt me. it is going to hurt him . to hurt him. >> kamala harris is ready to be president, given the fact that she was hardly the heir apparent to joe biden a matter of weeks ago . ago. >> well, when you're the vice president of the rule in america is you wake up in the morning, find out if the president is still alive, and then you go back to sleep, truman got a call. he was over in congress and said, get back to the white house. and when truman got back, he found out president roosevelt had passed away. but truman immediately took over the efforts in world war ii and did a great job, and got re—elected in 48. to the surprise of many, including the pollsters at the time. you remember that great headune time. you remember that great headline dewey wins? well, it was true. so i think candidates like vice president politicians can rise to the occasion. sometimes they don't. gerald ford almost got elected even though he pardoned nixon in 76.

but jemmy carter did prevail. and then reagan prevailed in 80. so we have a lot of changes in america. unfortunately, today was not was no problem, no injuries to anybody. >> bob, what would have been the consequences for america if donald trump had been killed today ? today? >> well, let's not talk about that. i just remember being in high school when president kennedy came across. i was devastated , and this country has devastated, and this country has had a lot in that year or the year martin luther king, bobby kennedy. so it's always a tragedy. but this country always knows how to get up. the next morning , bob, a real privilege morning, bob, a real privilege to have you on the show, a very experienced figure of us politics. >> bob mulholland, member of the democratic national committee for california. bob, thank you so much for your considered thoughts on that and on theatre. bob wasn't keen on answering

that question, but i'll put it to you because you don't flinch from any question . what would from any question. what would have been the implications? the consequences for america, if something terrible had happened to donald trump today? >> i think it would have been extremely worrying that we saw what happened when he said he'd had the last election stolen from him, and the violence that erupted. and if he is fatally injured, i think there would be a very high risk of very serious violence. >> that's right. disorder on the streets, something akin to a civil war, really, in america's great cities. >> i think it's not inconceivable at all. they would obviously do as much as they could to prevent it happening. but i don't know which person could possibly stand in. and say, this is not the time or place. calm down, because they look to trump. and in this scenario, he wouldn't be there to tell his troops what to do . to tell his troops what to do. >> now, i've got family in the united states, and i remember a

time in the 70s and 80s when americans had a big think about who they were going to vote for at every election. and sometimes it was a democrat, sometimes it was a republican. that feels like a long time ago, doesn't it? >> it feels like people have got very, very entrenched and that there is no give or take on either side. i was mentioning that, you know, we're looking at ten swing states that actually matter in this election. the rest are foregone conclusions. >> it's thousands of votes for a population of over 300 million people. >> absolutely. and in california, where bob was from, it doesn't matter how you vote, it's a given that, you know, there are unless you're in this small number of states , really, small number of states, really, how you vote doesn't matter. and even there it's very few that will tip the balance. yes. >> i mean , i've always been >> i mean, i've always been a floating voter. i think it's your democratic duty to have a think about which party you're going to elect each time. and, you know, i know lots of people that have voted for all the main

parties in their lives. lib dem, laboun parties in their lives. lib dem, labour, green, tory, you name it. and i think that's healthy for our democracy. do you think this kind of entrenched tribalism risks happening here in the uk , or has it already in the uk, or has it already happened, >> no. i don't think it has. and i think at the last election we saw a lot of people lending their votes and being uncertain of who to support that the, the trenchant tories were not even turning out to vote for them , turning out to vote for them, that the left wing labour were voting in some cases against their own party. it was quite an interesting and fluid election from the pattern we got, but in america people are much more aligned. you only have two choices. there's not really a third. but i think the very worrying thing about this election is that part of that democratic process is the primaries. yeah. and we haven't really had them. that trump was announced as winner before he walked his he walked his and he was winner before they'd finished. and kamala never faced

them at all. and that whole part of their democracy has been denied to the people. >> okay. well, let's head back to the united states now. and a very good friend of mine, the renowned political commentator hilary fordwich. well, hilary, we spoke earlier. we've had a chance to reflect on what's happened, and we were just discussing the absolute nightmare scenario of anything more serious having happened to donald trump. it's critical for american democracy and frankly, law and order on the streets that both candidates are intact in november and able to actually face the public when they go to the polls. >> yes, you're absolutely right, mark. i mean, it's a ghastly concept to even think what the society here would be like with civil unrest if anything happened actually to either candidate. and both candidates . candidate. and both candidates. and earlier, i heard one of people you were to talking was saying, you know, we need to hear from the white house. actually, they had right after this incident, they had said,

there's no place for violence in our society. and i will say, you've heard from many people on both sides saying the same thing. chuck schumer said the same thing. so i'm hoping at least from the, you know, the political class there will be calm after this. and i think hopefully people will take away from this the way to behave. and when people criticise donald trump for his behaviour and i will say i do find sometimes he can be uncouth and unprofessional, but he acted with aplomb after this. i had mentioned earlier on the show that he thanked every single member of the secret service personally, and the first words out of his mouth after the secret service had rushed him off, they smothered him and rushed him away. were where's steve? how's steve, where's steve? how's steve, where's steve? and steve was his playing partner. he was golfing with him. they were on the fifth hole. and last but not least, he was more upset that he didn't get to make his birdie putt on the fifth hole and wished that he could have finished his round. i think that attitude and that strength is what every nafion that strength is what every nation needs. >> hillary, donald trump is as

hated as he is loved in an increasingly tribal us political scene. what happens if he wins in november? will that break america? what will the reaction be if donald trump were to re—enter the white house >> i think it's a very good question, mark. i don't think anybody can actually say exactly what the reaction will be, but i do hope that because his last administration did bring peace and prosperity, i hope that every american would actually say, look, let me give him a chance. let's see peace and prosperity again . let's have prosperity again. let's have unemployment to down 3.5% like it was in 1969. and i will say he has right now the greatest number of black males supporting him than any other republican history. republican presidential candidate in history, donald trump has gone into dark places in america that no one since ronald reagan has dared go. he went into the bodegas in new

york city. he was surrounded by all sorts of ethnic, people. and he was, lauded . he was cheered. he was, lauded. he was cheered. he has had the courage and the guts to go into some of these most deprived neighbourhoods. i think that's very important, because a lot of politics has been so divisive. i wish actually he would just stand in front of a map of the united states and point to all the failing states and say, look, you know, look at the states that are failing. look at all the democratic states that are failing because, mark, they are people are leaving california in droves. california is a failing state. new jersey actually is what they call a financial prison. if you try to leave new jersey and you don't buy another house there, you get a financial penalty because so many of these democratic states are losing population . so i hope now, in population. so i hope now, in a nutshell, to answer your question, i hope that every american would give him a chance to demonstrate he can bring peace and prosperity , just like peace and prosperity, just like he did during his last administration . administration. >> is it a case, though, of the right party? but the wrong leader? do you think that

there's a chance the republicans will rue the day that they put all of their eggs into one? donald trump basket? >> well, the one thing is, mark, i will say that again, i don't know that i don't think anybody would actually say he's the perfect candidate. it's his policies and his strength and his conviction and his dedication to the nation . i dedication to the nation. i believe that and that we see consistently across the polls that appeals of so many people. unfortunately yes. he isn't as as couth as he could be. he's not as professional as he could be, but he has united the republican party, mark. and there hasn't been a politician that was able to do that. so his strength and the way that he works with people, he's been able to do that. whereas other candidates had not been able to achieve the same thing . achieve the same thing. >> hillary, thank you so much for joining us. there you are forjoining us. there you are political commentator hilary fordwich , joining us from the fordwich, joining us from the united states. where do we go from here? josh howie we just have to hope that both politicians are able to face the american public in november.

that's the headline, isn't it? >> yeah, of course, but what are the long term impacts on the american political system, and how does that spread across the world? of course, america's example for everywhere else, if this is somehow seen as being normalised , then it's normalised, then it's detrimental to all of us, to all of our political systems carry any danger that this level of tribalism will come here. >> oh, i think we have tribalism here, definitely. but i don't think it's anything like the polarisation in america, which has become so heavily split, but it's also just this emotional level is kind of worrying. it's i find it strange, even when i hear people talk this way about p0p hear people talk this way about pop stars they don't like and how they they want them dead, you know? and i find it very strange when someone has that because their reaction isn't actually to that person. it's to everyone who likes them. it's to everyone who likes them. it's to everyone who likes them. it's to everyone who votes for them. it's for everyone who applauds them. so what they really want is a large number of people dead annunciato a couple of seconds. >> the bottom line is it's anyone's to win the white house, isn't it? the keys to that iconic building are available to all as we speak. it is. >> i believe the swing states

are five, four and one tied. so too close to call, way too close too close to call, way too close to call. >> there you go. my thanks to annunziata rees—mogg, also the brilliant kerry marx and josh howie do keep it gb news because we'll bring you the latest on this attempt on donald trump's life at breakfast at 6 am, so you won't want to miss it. thank you won't want to miss it. thank you to my for team working so hard this evening and tackling this breaking news. it's been a very, very busy evening. thank goodness donald trump is in one piece. and kamala harris and the winner tonight. democracy. so there you are. a tumultuous day in what has

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