you think that you do.7 what do you think to that you do? what do you think to that? also, i want to talk to you. there's some strange thing goes on in this country. i promise you, this is true. a child has apparently been identifying as a wolf in school, and it has been indulged by the school and the authorities. please someone, can you get me off this clown world that i seem to live . in? all of that and to live. in? all of that and more. but first, the 6:00 news. >> the main headlines from the gb news centre. sir keir starmer has insisted he is completely in control amid a row within government over his top advisers pay- government over his top advisers pay. the revelation that sue gray, the downing street chief of staff , received a pay rise of staff, received a pay rise after the election and now earns

more than sir keir, has prompted a furious backlash. but speaking ahead of the labour party conference this weekend, the prime minister insisted his staff were all focused on the government's big mandate to deliver change. parts of dublin were brought to a standstill this evening as anti—immigration demonstrators and anti—racism activists staged rival events in the city. the protests follow mounting tensions in the irish repubuc mounting tensions in the irish republic over the growing number of asylum seekers in the country, and a spate of recent incidents linked to immigrants. gb news cameras witnessed a small number of arrests . the small number of arrests. the leader of the hezbollah terrorist group has called the waves of explosions targeting its members over the last two days as equal to a declaration of war. hassan nasrallah said israel had crossed all red lines

in launching the attacks, which targeted thousands of communications devices used by the group, killing dozens and wounding more than 3000. well, you're looking at live images of the lebanese capital in beirut this evening. the israeli government hasn't commented on the coordinated attacks, but said it has entered a new phase in its almost year long war. hassan nasrallah said there would be a just punishment in response, but gave no indication of what that would be. well, throughout today, hezbollah has continued to launch rockets, missiles and drones into northern israel. two members of the israeli military were killed, and several others were wounded and airlifted to hospital. after they were targeted by an anti—tank missile . targeted by an anti—tank missile. a thunderstorm warning has been issued for large parts of

england and wales over the next two days, bringing the threat of frequent lightning and even large hailstones. the first met office warning, currently in effect until 8 pm. tomorrow, stretches from the west midlands to the south east and includes the south—west. it also covers the south—west. it also covers the western part of wales, including cardiff and swansea. the agency says lightning strikes during the storms could cause damage to buildings . cause damage to buildings. finally, the prince of wales has been visiting scotland to thank workers in the homelessness sector for supporting the city's rough sleepers. he also announced that the workers are now eligible for the blue light card, a discount scheme for those in the emergency services , those in the emergency services, the nhs and the armed forces. and that's it. your right up to date with the headlines from the

gb news centre. i'll be back at the top of the seven for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone. >> sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much for that , >> thank you very much for that, mark. i am michelle dewberry and i'm with you until 7:00 tonight alongside me. my panel, i've got former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie and someone else. but the second they got wind that they were going to work with kelvin tonight, they decided they were having none of it and didn't turn up. empty chair. what can i say? only joking. the other panellists, unfortunately, is stuck in traffic, but we don't let that hold us back. ladies and gents, the show must go on. the second panellist will join us imminently, but for now it's not just about us two in the chair. it is about you guys at home as well. what is on your

mind tonight? you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. you can email gbviews@gbnews.com. you can go to the website which is gb news .com/ yorkshire and talk to me and each other there or of course you can tweet or text me, but wherever you are tonight you are very welcome indeed. and i've got a packed show. there is lots that i want to talk to you about today. many politicians seem to be doing the regional rounds today. it's always those ones, isn't it, that can trip these politicians up when it comes to journalists that really know their local patches. we'll look in a minute at keir starmer and some of the stuff that he's been saying. i also want to ask you a very simple question tonight. do you think that your class can completely change? i don't know, say your middle class and you want to be working class, vice versa . can you class, vice versa. can you change your entire class based on get this the job that you do. and i also want to tell you a story. you won't believe your ears. ladies and gents, i say it often that i do sometimes feel

like i live in a clown world, and these kind of stories prove why a child in scotland identifying as a wolf. yeah, you got that right. not only identifying as a wolf, but being indulged in doing so. what on earth is this society coming to? if you know the answer to that, do get in touch. because honestly, the mind boggles. can you actually blame parents now if they sit there and start considering things like homeschooling? i certainly cannot blame anyone that would have those kind of thoughts. anyway, let me know your thoughts on all of those topics. but for now, let's talk then, shall we, about keir starmer, because as i've been saying, he has been giving regional interviews. he wants to stress a very important point that he is in control . interesting also as in control. interesting also as well. he's been grilled when it comes to sue gray. of course, having a higher salary than him at the moment. i've got to say i'll start with you because i've got no choice , kelvin. but i'll got no choice, kelvin. but i'll start with you on this one, i mean, there's so much to unpick here. we've only had 70 odd days

of the labour government. the jury of the labour government. the jury is out many opinions as to of the labour government. the stridently saying that he is in control. is he is he doing a good job? >> well, i think i think it's an odd thing for a prime minister with a majority in the high 100 and 70s and having only been going for three months to have to say that. so he obviously obviously feels under threat. i find it bizarre. some of the responses he's been forced to give about free boxes at arsenal, the clothes he wears, the clothes that his his wife wears . these are issues which wears. these are issues which i would expect to happen two years into a an administration , not into a an administration, not literally within half an hour of having one of the largest swings in the history of politics. so something is going wrong and they recognise something is going wrong. and i don't feel strongly at all about the arsenal box thing. i understand it's been going there for years.

he is entitled to go and see it and therefore unfortunately the security is better off in the box. hang on because i can see is poised everyone to move on to the next topic. >> but i will just chat with you about this arsenal box because you think that that's fine, valid. no, going to football is a social choice. it is. and choosing your profession is also a personal choice . and sometimes a personal choice. and sometimes if you choose to do, let's just say to be the prime minister, you know, you need to understand that some social aspects of your previous life might now be altered. i'm not saying that he shouldn't be able to go to football at all, and i understand why, as a policing operation, it might be more tncky operation, it might be more tricky to keep him safe in the stands. i understand all of that, but notwithstanding any of that, but notwithstanding any of that , sure, you that, but notwithstanding any of that, sure, you can have this box and you can have this space, but why not offer a contribution if not the full cost, then certainly a big chunk of that cost. why not? >> well, so i recognise that there will be huge sacrifice if you are at the top of the

christmas tree of politics right further down, that's a different discussion. you're at the top there. you have to give up some stuff. i totally agree, i would say football, your sport or some going to the theatre or these kinds of things, they're good for you. they are good for you to actually be outside the constant, rather vileness of telling lies and trying to make money out of people's pockets and pretending you can watch it on telly. but actually i go to go to football and i don't know whether you do or not. and i suppose following hull, it's probably a bit tough , but probably a bit tough, but honestly i don't see anything wrong in people doing other stuff outside their political lives. >> that's not what we're talking about. we're not talking about any other life outside of politics. and everyone would say, yeah, what we're talking about. specifically, if he accepts vip hospitality, should he be paying for. >> hold on. a second. he makes yeah, he makes good money. as far as as far as your viewers and probably not you, but

possibly me at 166,000 a year. right? he makes reasonably good money. he. this is a 24 hour a day, seven day a week job. i do not begrudge him. i do not begrudge him and will. your point is, should he make a contribution towards it? right. well, what is a contribution? a friend of mine is a spurs season ticket holder. he pays, i think, £1,300. right. all right. he could pay £1,000. you could go to charlton and pay and get my seat £480. right. he could do that. but if he puts up, what is the difference between 400 and £70. right and it's costing 8500 quid or something for this security. it is. it is nothing. it is just a plain piece of nastiness. i want my i want my i do not view 166,000 a year to be the prime minister of our country as a lot of money, and he's entitled to keep it, do you think? >> how nasty. because i'm suggesting that the prime minister can make a contribution

to his vip appearance at a football club. >> yes. no, i am saying you don't need to do. i don't accept your argument. i think there are enough sacrifices in his life and actually he will make his money, by the way. so i'm not in favour of him receiving more money. he will make his money when his time as prime minister is over. you'll be doing speeches and books and god knows what. >> he'll be arguing with me next. that it's right that someone else pays for the fella's spectacles. >> i'm not arguing for that. i find that and the clothes absolutely disgraceful and actually spending £5,000. ali spending that money on victoria starmer was quite. i just can't understand why they'd accepted it or why they wanted it. now the trouble for starmer is that when you look back at his previous handouts, he turns out to be number one in the commons for freebies. right yes. that is unacceptable. and why he does it is beyond me because to be honest with you, he's a case. he

can he made he was making good money. i think he made £440,000 in the in one of the years between 2019 and 2024. so you know he has got the money. so perhaps he's just, you know, perhaps he's just, you know, perhaps he's just stingy. but i am not in favour of forcing him to pay to go to the football match. >> i'm a yorkshire person and i am i'm very tight. as a result, i've heard that. so i have no issues whatsoever with people managing their money properly. none whatsoever. i have no issue with people trying to get deals and all the rest of it. high five to you. there's just something about the optics of telling pensioners that you're going to be very, very cold. this winter, allowing rumours to circulate about whether or not the single person's, you know, council tax reduction will be removed. there's something terrible to me about the optics of all of these things in society , whilst you yourself are society, whilst you yourself are dining out and enjoying dining

out at corporate hospitality and suchlike, let me ask you this then, about the prime minister's salary, and i'll open this up to you guys at home. you've already started getting in touch with me on your opinions on it. do you think our prime minister should be paid more? we've just explained he's paid about £166,000. what do you think to that ? you £166,000. what do you think to that? you might say? £166,000. what do you think to that ? you might say? well, it's that? you might say? well, it's a lot of money, is it enough to attract the calibre of people that we want in our politics? because people will often say that we think we've got people that we think we've got people that are not the calibre and the level that they need to be at. do you think the money package is one of the reasons for that? if we raised it, do you think we'd attract better people? and if you do, tell me what you would raise it to. kelvin mackenzie. where are you on this? >> well, i think the problem for starmer is he's rather, rather shot his fox about getting a pay rise because he's taking so much money as freebies that nobody will want to give him a huge pay hike at the same time. >> but people, the truth about the matter is you make your

money when you've finished your political career, when you're a prime minister not when you're actually serving it out. it's look, it is an absolute. it is the number one most vital job in the number one most vital job in the country. and actually, i am in favour . i the country. and actually, i am in favour. i keep coming back to it of him having things like going to football and the like. let him have a rest if he wants to go to the ballet, don't let him pay for that. i don't believe that he should have his handin believe that he should have his hand in his pocket. he's he he's doing badly at the moment. i hope he does well for our country. i want to have him in america in america, the president used to go all the time and some of them still do. the old ones, they go and play golf for the whole weekend, you know, they don't expect their head of their administration to be flogging themselves morning, noon and night. and one of the problems with our system is i think we make them work too hard. we want people who are relaxed. i want my politicians to be relaxed and make good decisions. i don't want them constantly caught up in bad temper while you make a

decision. >> you think we work them too hard? >> i do yeah, no. at the top of the at the top of the tree, at the at the top of the tree, at the top of the tree, we make them work too hard. i would rather that they were teachers where i see they're now on a nine day fortnight and have 13 weeks holiday a year. we want them to make less decisions, but better decisions and more relaxed. anybody will tell you in corporate life that if all you're doing all day long is flogging yourself to death, you will make a lot of bad decisions. >> i thought it was only five minutes ago that keir starmer was suggesting that come friday, knocks off at 6:00. i mean, i'm not really sure. >> i wish he'd knock off at 6:00 on a monday. >> well, i'm not really sure that i look at the prime minister of this country and think, boy, you probably work too hard. >> i think he made a great mistake. okay, let me tell you about the great mistake. so he goes to new york, goes to america on the friday comes in overnight. and what does he do? he goes to doncaster racecourse right on the saturday. why would you do that? for instance, why would you, if you're a labour prime minister, go to doncaster racecourse? and what do they chant at him? they chant the w

word at him. right. so that was a mistake. he should have just gone home and rested. >> but hang on. but i don't understand. so what's your. >> what point are you making? the point? >> i'm making is that that working non—stop, seven days a week, 18 hours a day does not get good decisions and nor will we run our country properly going to doncaster racecourse because instead of because he flew in overnight and went to doncaster racecourse, where he was actually should have just gone home and put his feet up on the sofa. you want relax. you see your, your, your suggesting that that people should be constantly focused morning noon and night on the running of the country that we have a system in our country that doesn't need politics. morning, noon and night. >> i think if you want to be the prime minister of this country, you need to accept that for five years or whatever your term is. you essentially put your life on hold, your personal life, your private life, your sporting team or whatever that is . or whatever that is. >> i'm not saying that that's a mistake. >> never do anything else but what i'm saying is that you are now, essentially, if you like,

married to your country, the people that you put first and foremost are the citizens of the uk. the job that you have now accepted, no one forces you to go in to be a prime minister. i don't think you should work without a second's worth of sleep. i think that would be silly. but when we look at parliament, it all it already has very long closing periods. whether that's things like easter or summer or christmas or whatever it is. they seem to have a lot of breaks. >> but that doesn't mean to say he's not working. all it means is that it's not that these policies, which is developing and being part of are not being debated. >> i think that, you guys at home might have strong opinions on this. and by the way, lots of when you say that he's working and he's all these hours and stuff, he's got very nice, country piles and all the rest of it. i think in the run up to the election, wasn't he making use of, what's it called, a penthouse with £18 million price tag? >> yes, lord. well, yeah. >> yes, lord. well, yeah. >> i mean, i don't really think i feel very sorry for the prime minister of this country because of his workload. do you? next, you'll be arguing for him to do

working from home all the time. and i know that i've lost the panellist tonight as someone switched you. have you banged your head on the way in? no, no, i am not in favour. >> i am not in favour of the prime minister flogging himself to death because i think he makes too many, too many errors like that flogging herself to death. whichever it is. >> chris, you've got in touch. >> chris, you've got in touch. >> one of my viewers, you are pointing out a very simple point. you're saying when people give to politicians and so on and so forth, nothing is really ever free. you're suggesting no such thing as a free lunch, questioning whether or not these things. then actually have the possibility to become bribes. if you're not careful, william says michel, sometimes when i look at politicians , i think actually politicians, i think actually they should be paying us because of what they've done to our great country. thank you very much, catherine says michel, she thinks that keir starmer is a typical champagne socialist metropolitan elite, so far removed from working class people. she says, i'll come on to working class people in a

minute because apparently you're working class these days. you can change your entire class if you get a job at mcdonald's, that's kemi badenoch. i'll play you that clip imminently, but look, no one stuck up for boris, this is terry . look, no one stuck up for boris, this is terry. no one stuck up for boris when everyone was attacking him about the wallpaper. so why are so many people sticking up for keir starmer? she says bob says michel , the prime minister's pay michel, the prime minister's pay should be performance related, though he concedes that this rate he thinks most prime ministers would end up in arrears and having to pay all of us taxpayers. i don't think that would work well. barbara has beenin would work well. barbara has been in touch, rishi sunak was always in the stands at southampton. she says. >> yeah, he was, yeah, he was. yeah. >> what happens to your argument there then. >> well , you know, you have to i >> well, you know, you have to i don't know what his security system there was actually the southampton manager refused to meet the refused to meet rishi sunak actually, which i thought was a disgraceful action actually be truthful. but i don't know why it was. i don't

know how he was protected. and actually i think one of the points that starmer is making is that it would cost too much money to be to be in the stands there surrounded by i don't know how many, how many security detail in the detail would you need to defend you if you were in the stands, >> you know, i always wonder about these kind of things because if you're an employee, an organisation, and you get all of these extra perks and all the rest of it, there's something called benefit in kind when it comes to tax arrangements. i'm always fascinated how all these people can seem to get all of these amounts of freebies. i wonder how that works tax wise. i don't know the answer. do you look after the break? let's look then, shall we? at kemi badenoch saying essentially you can change your entire class if you get a job in somewhere like mcdonald's. what do you think to that? i'll see you in two. >> grew up in a middle class family, but i working class when was 16, working in

>> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've got the pleasure of the company of kelvin mackenzie. i'm still waiting for my other guest. they are en route but stuck in traffic. but we don't let those kind of blips hold us back here on gb news. no, we just roll with it, i was asking you whether or not you think that keir starmer as prime minister of this country, should be paid more money. in case you're wondering what is paid now just over £166,000. and yes, i know it's a lot more money than your average salary in the uk, which is about 3638 depending on which metric you use. but hold on a second, because surely we want the creme de la creme to be the prime minister of this country. we want to be attracting the top minds . is we want to be attracting the top minds. is that the price we want to be attracting the top minds . is that the price that we minds. is that the price that we need to pay to get them or not? many of you are getting in touch

with me, saying absolutely no, no, no . that's tricky for my no, no. that's tricky for my accent in relation to giving keir starmer a pay rise, he already gets paid an absolute fortune. many of you are saying he's also many of you are getting in touch as well, questioning why they're not having any of what kelvin was arguing about. why keir starmer needs to be in these boxes and can't pay for it themselves. lots of you disagreeing with that at home as well. now let me play that at home as well. now let me play you a clip from kemi badenoch. i've got to say this is in an interview actually with gb news, political editor christopher hope. they did a podcast together . look at this podcast together. look at this line that was said within it grew up in a middle class family, but i became working class when i was 16, working at mcdonald's . mcdonald's. >> excuse me . >> excuse me. >> excuse me. >> so you used to be middle class , and then you got a job at class, and then you got a job at mcdonald's, and therefore you changed your entire class. what kelvin mackenzie, what class are you? >> well, i my you kind of

defined by your parents, really. >> and my parents were local paper journalists. we were raised in a council flat in camberwell. so you. but actually, i never thought of myself as as anything else but a kind of classless person wandering between working class and middle class. okay, as i got older , i suspect i would be older, i suspect i would be deemed middle class. i'd be quite happy to say that that was a mistake by, miss badenoch there, and i honestly don't believe she would now be the leader of the conservative party. i am not sure what she stands for. i'm. she's pretty anti journalist, which is a bizarre thing. if you're going to become a major party. >> she's anti journalist. >> she's anti journalist. >> well, she's always taking always taking them to task and giving them a good going over. >> what's wrong with that. >> what's wrong with that. >> well the truth about them, the truth about the matter. it's like a captain complaining about the sea. honestly, journalism

news coverage . you've just got news coverage. you've just got to get on with it. if people don't like you, that's fine. you know, you just have to use the media. >> hold on. because if you're running for office and journalists think that they can just do whatever to you , you just do whatever to you, you don't have to suck that up just because you've decided you do stand for office. >> yeah you do. you just have to put up with it. because actually, nobody you are as a journalist, you are not part of their pr machine, okay? you're not you're not there to paint a good picture of them or a bad picture. you're just there to paint an accurate picture of the day. the fact that somebody's a politician or somebody in show business or somebody in the television business doesn't like it. so what i you know, i mean, you're saying that she's giving a journalist a hard time or whatever, but actually some people in the media, they do get carried away with themselves. >> kelvin. they do seem to think that being in the media kind of elevates you to this position of houer elevates you to this position of holier than that. >> no, no. >> no, no.

>> and actually, if some people sock it to them, will name somebody, name somebody. well, there's quite a few people i can think of, two sky news journalists that immediately spnng journalists that immediately spring to my mind, right. that went through the covid era, dictating to everybody else, about the rules and regulations, taking politicians to task about the rules and regulations while simultaneously then ended up getting suspended from their jobs for breaching. >> yeah, well, they got suspended. >> yeah, they got suspended and they were hypocrites. and they were publicly exposed and written by by journalists and, and other people in the media as, as completely wrong on the matter. and they were there was nothing wrong with that. what i am saying is don't if you're in if you're in, in, in public life in any way and especially in politics, don't get embroiled in the fact that somebody has either described you as stupid, fat, ugly, or incompetent . just fat, ugly, or incompetent. just let it go. you know ? nobody can let it go. you know? nobody can remember it. you know, it's true that you know, in relation to print, you know, it's fish and

chip paper the following day. >> yeah, but that doesn't mean to say that they should be able to say that they should be able to act with impunity to do whatever they want. let me bring it back to this class issue. there seems to be this fascination in society particularly, i think , with particularly, i think, with people in the public eye, perhaps as well focus a lot on politics, where everybody seems to be desperate to kind of, i was poor, i had a hard life. i had a harder life than you. i had a harder life than you. i had a harder life than you. it's had a harder life than you. i t's this weird kind of rush to make out that you were so badly done to, in an effort, i think, to try and connect with people. but to me it seems to be counterproductive. it reminds me of one of these sketches that some of my viewers might be familiar with. listen who would have thought 40 years ago that we'd be sitting here drinking chateau de chasselas? >> i would have been glad of the price of a cup of tea then. we never had a cup. >> we used to drink out of a rolled up newspaper. we used to get up in the morning at 10:30 at night, half an hour. half an

hour before we'd gone to bed , hour before we'd gone to bed, eat a lump of poison , work 29 eat a lump of poison, work 29 hours a day at mill for eight year lifetime , come home and year lifetime, come home and each night dad would strangle us and dance about on our graves. all right . all right. >> you see, that really makes me laugh. that's a monty. monty python sketch. the four yorkshiremen. and it is. i mean, that sketch when you watch it, it starts off kind of quite normal, but then they're just going more and more and more extreme, a desperate kind of attempt to show that they are the one that had it worse, that had the worst abuse and poverty and all the rest of it. why? what is that fascination? >> it is true. >> it is true. >> everybody wants to say that, you know, they as part of that sketch, they say you were lucky to be born in the hole in the road. right. and that is the reality. because if you are, for instance, if you're a david cameron character, david cameron, right, who was really upper middle class, i mean, his father was the chairman of whites. his dad was a stockbroker. you know, he could not be further up the chain. he

spent his entire time trying to pretend that he was in another class. >> why? why? >> why? why? >> yeah, exactly why . >> yeah, exactly why. >> yeah, exactly why. >> i mean, i've got to say, i am not from well—to—do parents or backgrounds. i'm not going to start getting into a monty python esque kind of competition about things . but i'm not from about things. but i'm not from well—to—do backgrounds. but if i was, i don't think i'd be ashamed of that. i don't think it's not ashamed that my parents, or whoever it was, had made something of themselves, had success and achieved things. i think the main thing to be able to do, though, whoever you are, whatever class you're in, i think you do need to be able to interact with and connect with people from a variety of different social standings. i always remember as well this clip now rishi sunak do you remember this one, sir? >> aristocrats. i have friends who are upper class. i have friends who are, you know, working class. but i'm not working class. but i'm not working class. but i'm not working class. but i mean, it's just absolutely absurd. >> but i do think there's something special about if you

are a working class person and i mean an actual, proper working class person, not just someone that's worked in mcdonald's. i just think that actually it's something like i regard myself as working class and i it's to me a value set, and it's something that i would say runs through the. >> okay, well, explain to me , >> okay, well, explain to me, explain to me how you would be different by being working class than being middle class. >> is it about empathy? is it about this? is it about that? i don't i don't accept these these barriers? look, i write 50 years ago, totally agree with you today. ago, totally agree with you today . people are just people. today. people are just people. are they not? you take your plumber for instance. your plumber for instance. your plumber has probably got a great big car, a lovely house. everything's going rather well. he he or she is doing rather better , right? and yet you could better, right? and yet you could for be instance, if you're in journalism, right. you are in media, you are in big trouble. you're in the television business, you're in, you're in the news business. you know, people are being fired left, right and centre and the money's

going down. so but you would be considered middle class, whereas the plumber, where would they be? these are ridiculous ideas these days. >> well , they're they're not >> well, they're they're not ridiculous ideas in the context of a conversation about class. >> and she kemi badenoch , for >> and she kemi badenoch, for whatever reason, decided specifically to make that that comment about class and what she was basically saying, ladies and gents, at home, if you've not watched or seen this, if you've not watched or seen this, by the way, it is on the gb news podcast with christopher hope. i would recommend that you watch it. she goes to on say about how, you know, they had to clean the toilets when they worked at mcdonald's. >> i saw that clean the toilets. >> i saw that clean the toilets. >> they had to handle the money. they had to do handling food, and there were no special people that came in to clean the toilets and all the rest of it. and i guess that is a bit of a difference in society. if you're middle class, your parents probably do have a cleaner, whereas if you're working class, you roll your sleeves up, you get involved in absolutely everything you've understood struggle, you've understood going without. you've understood

hardship . and i think that no, hardship. and i think that no, no, no, i think you're confusing something there, which is you're confusing poverty, being poor and the working class. >> right. the working class, you know , i it's difficult. it's know, i it's difficult. it's a different world today. for instance, your dad. yeah. right. your husband's a train driver. your husband's a train driver. you are , we'll say, for the sake you are, we'll say, for the sake of this argument, a midwife or something like that, you'll have a you'll have way north of 100,000 a year coming in. are you working class then, or are you working class then, or are you just actually two, two people who who are in well—paid jobs?i people who who are in well—paid jobs? i mean, this is different from from decades ago. i think much of this confusion has disappeared. >> i'm not confused. >> i'm not confused. >> i'm not confused. >> i don't restrict class boundanes >> i don't restrict class boundaries to incumbents. right. so for me, i could, i don't know, i could win £100 million on the lottery at the weekend. my on the lottery at the weekend. my bank account then would be very, very, very healthy. it

wouldn't then suddenly change how i regard myself , my value how i regard myself, my value set, my identification. i would still in my mind be a working class individual, a minted one. >> okay, very nice to say the expression value set. in what way does a value set from the working class different from the middle class in? in what way? >> well, i'm not a middle class person, so i can't describe them. >> okay, well what would your value set be as somebody who from from what you describe as a working class background, i think that working class people, the sentence that i would use to describe them would be salt of the earth . the earth. >> i think that they would come together, give you their last halfpenny. i think they would support one another. >> come on. what? come on. hang on. you just asked me to define it. i know, but honestly, use an expression like. >> like like the working classes would give their last halfpenny to who and under what circumstances? >> under what circumstances? >> under what circumstances? >> he needed it. i think that

working class people are a loyal, bunch of people that would come together. and if one person within their community is struggling, i think that they would chip in and i think that they would help their community. and i think they would do so with pride. and i actually think and i'm going off on a bit of a tangent, but when i look at some of the working class areas and what's happened to those communities by their the fact that they've lost their primary industry and now what you've doneis industry and now what you've done is you've thrown a generation of predominantly men, let's face it, into the scrap heap. you've stopped them from being able to provide for themselves and for their families. i think you've caused massive, deep issues within those communities that will run for many, many years. and then you have seen communities come in, step up, put their arms around one another and help each other out. i guess that's what i'm referring to. you guys at home might have a different opinion. what do you make to it? get in touch with me and let me know, because this class issue is an interesting one. so i would like to see how do you define it? is it wealth? is it

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hi there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've got kelvin mackenzie and she's arrived. everybody juditha de silva remains alongside as it remains alongside me. has joined alongside me. look, christina said, what a stupid conversation that previous one was about. class i am classless because i choose to be. that's fascinating christine, but if you choose to be classless, that's a choice. and a lot of people choose to be

whatever working class or whatever working class or whatever richard says, michelle, you are wrong and you are an inverted snob. he says upper class people are just as loyal and kind. thank you very much, he says, amy says michelle, us working class people get stuck in with whatever needs doing. we just roll our sleeves up and do it. we're not snowflakes. we get our hands dirty and we'll pull our hands dirty and we'll pull our weight and phil says, what are you talking about? about working class people being loyal. the working class people i know would sell their granny for a few hours over time. there's good and bad in all classes. class has nothing to do with it. well, there you go. who else? oh yeah, this one. li you said michelle, the working classes have more respect for their own people than the rest. the middle and upper classes look after themselves. and he says that is why the country is in the mess it's in. well, there you go. look, the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, he has given an interview in the daily mail today. he's accused the current labour government of undermining israel following , of undermining israel following, of course, its decision to ban some arms sales . what do you make of

arms sales. what do you make of this? is labour trying to undermine israel? >> no, it's not an undermining. it's basically called accountability for one's actions. because when the review was done by the foreign office, it was seen by about 30 of the arms deals they had were going towards arms that could be used for war crimes. it was in it was in in the interest of whether you want to call it fair play or the rules of engagement, when in times of war, that that should not be endorsed. because on the other end of this, and god willing, an end comes to this sooner rather than later, the uk would be held responsible after the fact because you, you armed people to do something you knowingly knew was against the rules of engagement. when deaung rules of engagement. when dealing in times of war. >> well, i, i thought it was a mistake . i agree with netanyahu mistake. i agree with netanyahu that it gave a strange signal to terrorists after all, you're not fighting a conventional war in any sense at all. the terrorists

are hiding among their own people in their own flats, in their own mosques , and then their own mosques, and then saying to then saying to israel, do your worst, right, because you know that you will kill people who aren't terrorists. so why don't they come out into the open and fight? i think it's disgraceful. so i worry about starmer. after all the labour party has been in the grip, in the grip under corbyn of anti—semitism and one of the concerns i have within the current labour party set up is the number of, islam following mps and the collection of votes which move an argument towards an argument that i don't believe in. right. so i worry that the labour party will be in the grip because because muslims by 70 or 80% vote labour. right. i've got no concerns about that. but now when you get when you get a

conflagration like the middle east right now, are they pushing, are they pushing, what are they pushing towards? they're pushing towards, they're pushing towards, they hope that no arms from our country go to go to israel at all. and then israel will be in the most terrible trouble. >> israel still has hundreds of arms licences still ahead. there was only 30. >> that is true. that's now, that's now. that's but this is the beginning. this is the thin end of the wedge. >> it's an important and declarative warning that conduct yourselves within the rules of engagement that all. >> well, why don't you explain that to hamas? don't hide. don't hide in blocks of flats and mosques. >> why? hamas gets universal condemnation. >> does it really? >> does it really? >> well, it's big. >> well, it's big. >> it's big condemnation. >> it's big condemnation. >> is israel . no. anyone with >> is israel. no. anyone with any. it's about rational thoughts. it's not about sentiment. because one thing that should that everyone should have a concerted effort to not do is conflate the arguments, questioning a political leader about his engagement when running an administration is not the same as antisemitism , there the same as antisemitism, there is an understanding that anti—semitism is abhorrent. but

questioning a political strategy dunng questioning a political strategy during a time of war is not tantamount to, i think , tantamount to, i think, semitism. if you if you, if you look at the history, if you look at the history of the way jews have been pursued and pursued for thousands of years, jews have been pursued for thousands of years across multiple continents. >> hamas, hezbollah , they have >> hamas, hezbollah, they have one policy, iran, one policy. ourjob is one policy, iran, one policy. our job is to one policy, iran, one policy. ourjob is to wipe out israel. our job is to wipe out israel. israel is our only democracy and our only friend. real friend in the middle east. we should do everything at every turn to see that they win this battle. >> and this is a key question. first of all, i completely agree. after october seventh, they have a justification for retaliation. retaliation to the events that happened . but anyone events that happened. but anyone who looks at the lay of the land objectively cannot say that losing 1200 lives is justifiable when you're looking at retaliatory measures for over 40,000. >> well, that's what that's what. that's what the hamas health ministry said. why should you believe? why should you

believe anything they say? >> they're not letting in press or any other any other objective organisation that would give any other data that we can measure? >> i do accept that. >> i do accept that. >> but then at the same time, what i would say is that while you're recognising the struggle of israel, which is justified and which is real, you do have to understand that your retaliation has to show an understanding for the humanity you want others to show you. >> well, there you go. i'm sure the awful situation in the middle east is not, unfortunately, going to end any time soon. but for now, our debate on it certainly needs to look after the break. are children identifying as animals? you won't believe this. you will think it can't be true. it is true. we to discuss it. see you in two.

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry. lots of you getting in

touch with me about that conversation we've been having about class, tim says, michelle, you are completely wrong. you're assuming the middle classes do not have struggles. that is wrong. i didn't assume that at all. i was defining my understanding of the working class. i don't even think i mentioned the middle class. i don't think people in different classes don't struggle at all. look alongside me. kelvin mackenzie and peter de silva. another comment that came in. michelle, i think you need to identify another class. they're not bothered to work class. yeah, i hear you, i hear you look a story that really caught my eye. it's true ladies and gents, unfortunately brings me no joy in saying that a child at school, apparently suffering from so—called species dysphoria, has been allowed to identify as a wolf. juditha da silva , what do you make of this? silva, what do you make of this? >> as much as i am all embracing and a very liberal of thought when it comes to give everyone the latitude to be their truest selves. >> when you're dealing with

children, it's kind of goes without saying that they're at an age where they're going to explore anything. they're going to be curious about everything. so indulging every whim they have is not in their interest. even though you think that your motivation is good by giving them breath to be themselves, you have to guide them. you have to curtail things that veer them in a in a non—productive direction and saying a child wants to be a wolf. i remember watching michael jackson's thriller, i wanted to be a wolf, but my parents didn't indulge that. when i watched michael j. fox in teen wolf, i wanted to be a wolf. they didn't indulge that. it's part of being a child and being curious, but it's not and being curious, but it's not a practical reality. kevin >> right. so, very kindly, the daily mail , i >> right. so, very kindly, the daily mail, i think it was disclosed this story, have not identified a the child b the town or c the council. >> no, we know it's in scotland. >> no, we know it's in scotland. >> yes, i know, and so my question is what kind of family was this is , is this a form of

was this is, is this a form of mental health break complete breakdown and why? why is it that this, this idea that somebody can be whatever they want to be in today's world is actually gaining traction? because i'm sure i'm sure other aspects will come out of the woodwork. now and it's because i suspect that people feel frightened to say to somebody the truth about it, you're not a wolf, you are a this and that and the other. and actually you're going to bed early tonight for that, right? so how do you deal how do you how do you deal with somebody? and what they've decided to do is to have they've decided to do is to have the hands off approach, which is becoming the norm in, in society, rather than somebody saying this is not right unless the child has serious mental health issues in which you have to wonder whether that child should even be allowed to go to school. >> but i also think that there's mixed signalling to parents because on one hand, you are condemned if you don't engage

and you don't show up for your child, if your child messes up, you're to blame. but then on the other hand, if you're too heavy handed, you're considered to be abusive. there's a kind of there's this move and a shift towards taking away the autonomy of a parent to guide their child the way they best see fit. and then whatever that child becomes, you are responsible. but if the responsibility is not there in the beginning, the child is left to parent themselves. and anything like this saying that you identify as a wolf, don't we need to know a lot more about that, about the child and their background? >> look, do you know what, >> look, do you know what, >> i really hope the child hasn't got serious mental issues. who would wish that on any child, but whatever conditions are going on, reality is reality. you do not do anyone any favours by indulging in delusion. you know what? next? if you if your child thinks it's a fly, you're going to open the window and let it watch it jump out because it thinks it can fly. of course not. as well is going mad. ladies and gents, look to kelvin. that's all i've got time for. thank you. at home. don't go anywhere, though. but i'll be back tomorrow night.

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the southeast, but we're more likely to see them develop as we go through the day. it will be quite a cloudy start, but as those skies start to brighten, some heavier showers developing later on, much of western wales, northern ireland and western scotland having a sparkling start to the day with plenty of sunshine, will soon start to lift the temperatures, but the east coast plagued by that ha! and that could be a feature of the weather throughout the day, and at times that cloud thick enough for a bit of drizzle. as i mentioned though, it's in the south where we're a bit concerned about the showers that are likely to develop. it will brighten up. we'll see some sunshine, but that will spark a scattering of showers, perhaps over east anglia, but particularly over the midlands, southern england and parts of wales come the afternoon and into the evening. still quite warm here. cool on some of these nonh warm here. cool on some of these north sea coasts where it stays grey. a very pleasant day in western scotland once more. we do have a met office yellow warning in place for the thunderstorms. not everywhere in this area will catch a downpour, but where they do occur they could cause some problems.

potential for flooding . potential for flooding. certainly a lot of spray and surface water on the roads and we're not done with the thunderstorms because on saturday across the south we could again see some very heavy downpours developing once more. a fine day in western scotland looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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