gb news. >> a very good evening to you and welcome to farage. but i'm not nigel farage, i'm martin daubney standing in for the big man tonight, coming up on tonight's show, a new study has revealed that the british public significantly underestimate the role of asylum seekers have to play role of asylum seekers have to play in overall immigration

insisted his the prime minister insisted his team was focused on the government's mandate to deliver change. the foreign secretary, david lammy, has urged british nationals to leave lebanon, warning the situation could worsen rapidly. it comes as leader of the hezbollah terrorist group said the waves of explosions targeting his members over the last two days were equal to a declaration of war. hassan nasrallah said israel had crossed all red lines in launching the attacks, which targeted thousands of communications devices used by the group, killing dozens and wounding more than 3000. well, these are live images of the lebanese capital, beirut , lebanese capital, beirut, tonight. aircraft have been heard overhead over beirut throughout the day. sonic booms while the leader of the

hezbollah terror group has been addressing his followers . while addressing his followers. while the israeli government hasn't commented on the co—ordinated attacks but has said it's entered a new phase in its almost year long war. hassan nasrallah said there would be a just punishment in response, but gave no indication of what that would be. parts of dublin were brought to a standstill this evening as anti—immigration demonstrators and anti—racism activists staged rival events in the city. the protests, following mounting tensions in the irish republic over the growing number of asylum seekers in the country and a spate of recent incidents linked to the immigrants. gb news cameras witnessed a small number of arrests , gb news has been told arrests, gb news has been told that a significant number of women have contacted the harrod survivor's helpline since new

allegations of sexual assault and rape came to light. five women have claimed they were raped by the former harrods owner, mohamed al—fayed, when they worked at the luxury london department store . the bbc department store. the bbc reported that more than 20 female ex—employees said the billionaire, who died last year sexually assaulted them and raped some. it's claimed that dunng raped some. it's claimed that during fayed's ownership, harrods not only failed to intervene but helped cover up abuse allegations. harrods current owners said they were utterly appalled by the allegations and apologised to the victims, who had been failed. a professional footballer has been charged in connection with an attempt to smuggle £600,000 worth of cannabis through stansted airport. jay emmanuel thomas, who is currently a striker for scottish championship side greenock morton, was arrested by national crime agency officers

in the days after his flight. the former livingston, aberdeen and arsenal academy player has also played for ipswich town, bristol city and queens park rangers . finally, the prince of rangers. finally, the prince of wales has been visiting scotland to thank workers in the homelessness sector for supporting the city's rough sleepers. he also announced that those workers are now eligible for the blue light card , a for the blue light card, a discount scheme for those in the emergency services, the nhs and the armed forces . and those are the armed forces. and those are your main headlines. the armed forces. and those are your main headlines . you're your main headlines. you're right up to date. back to martin. got an early look at him. there . him. there. >> thank you very much mark. i hope you enjoyed that quick early look. we're having a good chatin early look. we're having a good chat in the studio about this topic because a new study has revealed that the public significantly overestimates how

much uk immigration is made up of asylum seekers. on average, people think that asylum seekers account for around about 37% of total immigration, when in fact it's closer to just 7%. and asylum seekers and illegal immigration, of course, is a hugely important topic. but don't forget, 1.2 million people enter the country legally in the past year, putting a huge strain on housing and public services. so do these figures suggest that the public is being bamboozled about the scale of legal migration, as the pressure builds on the government to manage migration effectively? this research highlights the need for a clearer understanding of who is coming into the uk and why. well, to discuss this , i'm why. well, to discuss this, i'm now joined by a magnificent panel this evening and that is my panel of dame andrea jenkyns, the former conservative mp and minister, and of course, the human rights campaigner and activist peter tatchell. welcome to you both. let's start off with you. if we could, dame

andrea and i don't know about you, but when i hear this thing about nothing to see here, it's only 7%. it's 7% of a flipping great big number. people still have the right to be annoyed, don't they? at least concerned about the numbers and the types of people coming into our country. dame andrea , i mean, as country. dame andrea, i mean, as a former mp, it was the biggest thing in my postbox, illegal migration and the whole migration and the whole migration figures. >> i mean , one good thing that >> i mean, one good thing that the conservatives did, they, they limited the amount that, students could bring their, their loved ones, etc. and i think we started seeing those figures come through now. but 7%, like you said, it's a crazy amount. and when people can't get the children in the schools that they want, they can't get a doctor's appointment or a dentist appointment. and we're still finding people within 4 or 5 houses, 4 or 5 years. to on get onto a housing list. so i think people quite rightly had enough. >> peter tatchell, do you think these kind of studies are they're meant to try and

downplay the issue. people think it's the third. it's actually only 7%. what's your takeaway from that? is that because you think the media obsesses with asylum seekers too much and whips it up? >> i think there's certainly some sections of the media and some sections of the media and some right wing politicians who are using the asylum issue as a political weapon. they're weaponizing people who in most cases have a genuine fear of persecution and are fleeing. is that true conflict and war? >> well, is that true? >> well, is that true? >> yes, because most isn't it, most, most , >> yes, because most isn't it, most, most, most, most people who seek asylum do eventually get it because the home office adjudicators look at their case in forensic detail and do assess that they have a legitimate fear of persecution. the other thing to point out is that from france, peter, most of them, france, peter, most of them, france isn't a country where they're being persecuted. yes, but they come from ultimately from christian, don't they? >> as we've seen recently , they yeah. >> there are a small number of people who are gaming the

system, and that's wrong. totally. but many of them are genuine. and they also have assets that are good for our country. so my foundation , the country. so my foundation, the peter tatchell, human rights, peter tatchell, human rights, peter tatchell, human rights, peter tatchell foundation, a human rights body, we have helped lots of people secure asylum we've only ever had in the hundreds and hundreds people, one person who we had doubts about and we did not proceed with that, on top of that , many of proceed with that, on top of that, many of these people have skills. we need doctors , skills. we need doctors, dentists, nurses, plumbers, carpenters. >> peter, we hear that all the time. you're not telling me nuclear physicists are swarming over the channel? >> no, not not nuclear physicists . no, that's true, but physicists. no, that's true, but i think we do underestimate the economic benefit that genuine legal asylum seekers who get their cases assessed and are approved. we underestimate the contribution they make to the country. i'll just give you one example. after the iraq war, i helped an iraqi doctor get asylum in this country. his pay their bills. i had so many constituents, especially his payback. he could have gone into asylum in this country. his payback. he could have gone into quy's quy's

payback. he could have gone into guy's or saint thomas's payback. he could have gone into guy's or saint thomas's hosphal guy's or saint thomas's hosphal guy's or saint thomas's hospital, got a top job. he was hospital, got a top job. he was a very highly qualified person, a very highly qualified person, but he chose to go to a remote but he chose to go to a remote scottish community where they scottish community where they had no gp, and he stayed there had no gp, and he stayed there for five years to show his for five years to show his appreciation to britain, to appreciation to britain, to giving him a place of safety. giving him a place of safety. that was of huge benefit to that that was of huge benefit to that scottish community. >> but meanwhile, in the real scottish community. >> but meanwhile, in the real world, the vast majority of world, the vast majority of asylum seekers coming here asylum seekers coming here illegally, at any rate, are low illegally, at you skilled. and in fact, data came out last week, their manager , out last week, their manager, that each one of them costs a quarter of a million pounds net by the time they're age a pension age goes to £1 million each. if they live to 103 quarters, a million, if they live to 75. so i'm sure your iraqi doctor mate was was a was a superb contribution to the uk. but is that actually the majority? >> no, of course it's not. and what i would like to ask peter is what about you talk about human rights. what about the rights of the british people? you know they are struggling to pay you know they are struggling to

pay their bills . i you know they are struggling to pay their bills. i had so many constituents, especially , constituents, especially, you know, still writing to me as an mp about pensioners fuel allowance being lost, mp about pensioners fuel allowance being lost , not mp about pensioners fuel allowance being lost, not being able to get children into the schools and the struggling, and they can't get a doctor's appointment. what about the rights of the british people? >> i agree there are problems and i empathise with people who are struggling , but to blame are struggling, but to blame asylum applicants is just monstrous. it's not true. you know these problems existed. >> but isn't it a question of numbers? >> more people come into the country. so we're, you know, at its knee, on our knees anyway. so there's less school places, less doctors places. so it's not a blame game. this is this numbers, this deficiency of doctors and schools has existed for years, even decades, because of underinvestment by successive labour and conservative governments to blame refugees and migrants for the problem is just completely out of proportion . proportion. >> we have 171 billionaires in this country. they could easily afford to pay a 1% wealth tax.

it would. it's nothing to them. >> they already pay the most tax, but they're also leaving under labour, aren't they? >> hang on, hang on, hang on. they could afford to pay a 1% or 2%. wealth tax and that would raise at least 6 billion every year on a recurring basis. now, they wouldn't actually lose anything because their net wealth is increasing by 5 to 10% every year anyway. so it's really easy to make those with the broadest shoulders pay a little bit more if they're true patriots, if they really believe in britain, if they love this country, what if they're not? they will make they will make what if they're not british? >> what if they're billionaires from hong kong or america or switzerland? >> well, if they're living here, clear off. if they're here, then they have a duty and obligation to pay their fair share. and the number of millionaires leaving is, i think, 9000 out of 2.5 million, 9000 peanuts and peanuts back to your numbers. >> it costs £8 billion per annum

in unemployment benefits for those who were born abroad. yeah, but so you're you're talking about the numbers. the numbers are we spend six times as much on unemployed immigrants as much on unemployed immigrants as we do as we've just axed on the winter fuel allowance for pensioners who paid in all their life. it's those are the numbers and that isn't right. >> surely i agree that the pensioners should not be targeted. that's absolutely wrong. they have been. britain's pensions are some of the lowest in europe. it's an absolute disgrace . once again, successive disgrace. once again, successive labour and conservative governments have allowed britain's senior citizens to be at the bottom rank of pensions in europe. switzerland has, i think, £44,000 a year for a pensioner couple. it's pathetic when we're getting our pensioner couples getting half that, we're the sixth richest country in the world. we can afford to pay more and we should pay more. and those with the broadest shoulders, to quote spider—man or paraphrase spider—man with great wealth, comes great responsibility. >> okay, well, my spider sense

is tingling. we're getting on. >> i agree with you. 100% on that point. >> good. let's move on to an affiliated topic, because immigration is not just a hot button issue here in the mainland, because today in ireland, thousands of protesters have been gathering in dublin, protesters have been calling on the government to crack down on migration and for citizens to take back the streets , street by take back the streets, street by street . street. >> rac raisi raisi green party >> rac raisi raisi green party >> that was going on for several hours in dublin, ireland is full. they were crying and a small counter protest is also taking place in the city with so—called anti—racist protests so—called anti —racist protests chanting so—called anti—racist protests chanting refugees are welcome here, refugees are welcome here. >> say it, say it here. >> say it, say it here. >> refugees are welcome here. say it here. >> refugees are welcome here. >> refugees are welcome here. >> they should make a note of all their addresses and see if refugees really are welcome there. now, throughout the day,

there. now, throughout the day, there have also been loud but non—violent confrontations between the two opposing groups of protesters. and join me now who's been covering this all day for us since 1 pm. with the latest is our northern ireland reporter, dougie beattie dougie been on the front line of this protest all day. started very, very well natured. and then we saw a line of gardai forming up kettled them down the streets. for those who didn't see the show earlier, can you explain to viewers what made those protesters to take the streets of dublin today ? of dublin today? >> well, yes, martin, i've just listened to your former guest and i thought to myself, how similar, the problem is here in the republic of ireland. now, the republic of ireland. now, the republic of ireland. now, the republic of ireland has seen a massive increase in undocumented immigrants coming in to the island. and the people here are very, very worried, number one, about their safety with undocumented young men coming in. but they're also realists. they are sitting saying, hold on, we haven't got

the infrastructure for this. ireland is a beautiful country. it's a modern european country, but it only has a population of just over 5 million in the south and 2 million in the north. and over the last years, the taxation that they have paid has done very well for them to look after the community that is here. but with this sudden growth in immigration coming in and most of them being undocumented, it has created real problems inside the whole island of ireland, north and south, and in fact, in the south you are seeing many, many small villages and communities having larger numbers of immigrants in them than they do of irish people. and i've covered this for a couple of years, as you know. and i was told, first of all, this was a working class problem. it was it was only those that were on the dole that was concerned about it. and of course, that's not true. and in fact, today i just turned around and looked around me and saw so

many middle class people grandmothers, mothers with pushchairs, working class men , pushchairs, working class men, businessmen and what they did here. they formed up at 1:00 and by 2:00 they marched to the door of the houses of parliament in the republic of ireland . and the republic of ireland. and they went there to let those that represent them in the in the doyle, to know that they are unhappy with their decisions. now, today was the first day that the doyle has sat since summer. the summer recess, and not one of them came out to hear their concerns. in fact, they were barricaded halfway down the street , so they then decided to street, so they then decided to march back across the river liffey. and at the bottom of o'connell street is a major bndge o'connell street is a major bridge where they all decided to sit down and block the road. now what really made things worse was, of course, that just coming up to 5:00, the garda siochana, the police force here in the repubuc the police force here in the republic of ireland decided to push these people up the street. and most of these people are voters, and they pushed them up

the street , making voters, and they pushed them up the street, making multiple arrests on their way up the street. in fact, one of them, if you were listening earlier, was threatening to arrest me if i didn't move on. so this is creating real problems in amongst the society here that are from all walks of life and are from all walks of life and are really quite frustrated at how they are not being listened to and how hard their lives are outside parliament. and they're saying we put youse in. user met the representatives. you're meant to spend our tax money in the right way, and we are feeling the pinch outside our taxation is going up and there's due to be a budget hearing next week or the week after. it will be one of the biggest giveaway budgets that we have seen. and because they will call a general election by the 15th of november, because this government is in basically the same cycle as the united kingdom government, and there will have to be a coalition government put in place . so the scenes that in place. so the scenes that we've seen today of the

political classes, not seeming to listen to those, not even in working classes, but in middle classes, will tell in those elections. and don't forget the repubuc elections. and don't forget the republic of ireland , nine times republic of ireland, nine times out of ten has a coalition government. and that means that even the smallest parties that could get in may have power in that case. so real frustration here in dublin today and real frustration that they are not being listened to. >> dougie beattie fearless reporting as ever. and i'm very proud to say that gb news was the only media outlet at that protest today. nobody else can be bothered to turn up dougie beattie thank you very much for putting in the hard yards there, and let's have a quick chat back with my panel, dame andrea jenkyns. and of course, peter tatchell. let's start with you. if we could , dame andrea, you if we could, dame andrea, you were nodding quite vociferously there. yes about the fact that there. yes about the fact that the political class couldn't even be bothered to go out and engage with the voters. >> i think your reporter hit the nail on the head, actually, martin, when he said that

they're not listening. and i think this is a problem, you know, here in the uk as well, people feel that politicians are not listening, naturally, we're charitable . but when you pay charitable. but when you pay your taxes and you feel that you're at the back of the queue, enoughis you're at the back of the queue, enough is enough. and i think clearly that's what's happening in dublin as well. >> peter tatchell, those protesters today in dublin, they weren't far right. they weren't knuckledraggers, they weren't racist. they're concerned citizens and they're not being listened to. that is where the problems start. >> well, if i was a member of the irish parliament, i would have gone out to meet them. i would have listened to their concerns and i would have tried to address them, but i would have said to people that the fact that we have these refugees and the numbers are substantial, thatis and the numbers are substantial, that is not the core of the problem. the core of the problem is the unequal, the unequal distribution of wealth. ireland has plenty of money to provide good quality housing and schools for all its people, including refugees and their families. but they just took the trouble is. >> but they just took ,14 billion off of apple and we learned today that money won't

go to housing for local people. it's got to be hoovered up. addressing this problem. peter. andrea, we have to leave it there for now. but of course we've got plenty more to come after the break, including this is going to be a corker. the dutch government has formally asked the european union to opt out of their migration policy. well, good luck with that. and how will the latest row over asylum in europe play out? that's next. this is farage with me. martin daubney only

gb news. welcome back to farage with me. martin daubney standing in for the big man. now, it seems that all over europe, immigration is rising up. the political agenda. earlier this month, we saw germany close its land borders, all of them in a bid to stop flows of illegal migration following a spate of stabbings carried out by illegal migrants and also islamist terror

attacks. and now the netherlands is also cracking down on illegal migration. the netherlands asylum and migration minister said that the country has to be in charge of our own asylum policy once more. strong words, but where they fall on deaf ears because this comes after the right wing coalition government announced plans for the country's strictest ever asylum regime. now the move is likely to agitate fellow eu members. after all, 27 member states agreed to a new eu migration and asylum pact last december. which means, of course, they've all got to take their fair share. well, joining me live from the hague to discuss this is cherri burdett, who's the leader of the forum for democracy and a member of the house of representatives. welcome to the show, cherie. always a pleasure. so, so. sounds great. tough words. i've been an mep. i've been into brussels. i've been to strasbourg. they won't listen. what happens next? >> that's true. that's absolutely true . so, the debate

absolutely true. so, the debate in parliament over the couple, the last couple of days has been centred about two things. the first is, does this strict immigration policy that's been proposed work within the national legal framework. and i think ultimately we're going to be able to push this through. and it's a great idea. but then again, the next question is how is the eu going to respond? and that's where geert wilders and i are separating paths , because are separating paths, because i'm convinced that only if we leave the european union, we will actually be able to control our borders again. and that's also why i've been supporting nigel farage from the very beginning. i've been a brexiteer from the very start , and geert from the very start, and geert wilders is saying, no, we're going to negotiate this from within the european union . as within the european union. as much as i like the, you know , much as i like the, you know, optimism of it, i think it's just doomed to fail. >> well, terry, i do like the

spirit of brexit. catch it on exit. that's got a nice ring to it. i should, however, warn you that leaving the european union doesn't necessarily mean you can take back control of your borders anyway. but next, let's turn then to germany. they're still in the european union. they're still in the european court of human rights, but they've just said enough is enough. they've closed all of their borders. 2500 miles, including with your country , including with your country, netherlands, denmark, belgium, luxembourg , france, switzerland, luxembourg, france, switzerland, austria, czech republic and poland going to turn everybody back. and they've just decided to go it alone. they're even sending afghans back to the taliban. why can't you do the same? >> well, that's a very significant distinction. of course, between controlling your borders and closing them, it's true that we've been able to control our borders also during lockdowns, during covid, but the point of the matter is that the free movement of people is the fundamental value, if you can

call it that of the european project. the whole idea of the european project is that we are not going to be able to be sovereign nations anymore, that we're going to be blended into this european soup, this european, entity. and that's why the free movement of peoples has been the foundational principle of the entire project , from its of the entire project, from its very start in 1957. so there is just it's very, very difficult to conceive eurocrats accepting the fundamental idea behind the whole project, which was to undermine nations, to be accepted as , as a, as accepted as, as a, as a prerogative of member states. >> and terry can i get a quick flavour from you? we hear a lot about, the soaring crime in denmark for example. they record crime by nationality and that's been a real eye opener. of

course, they wouldn't allow us to do that. in britain. we've seen islamist terror on the rise in germany. what's the state of play in germany. what's the state of play in terms of immigration and crime and the social reaction to all of that in the netherlands right now? >> well, we haven't got the kind of riots that you've been endunng of riots that you've been enduring and suffering from in the uk , but surely it's the same the uk, but surely it's the same idea. i mean, we've been receiving low iq , high receiving low iq, high testosterone, immigration from africa and the middle east for a couple of decades in the entirety of the eu and of europe, of europe . and, and europe, of europe. and, and that's going to play out in some destructive way. either it's going to be massive reliance on social welfare, or it's going to be massive aggression or crime or any other anything in between. but these are just simply people that are not going to contribute to the great flourishing of our continent. so we've got to stop immigration and we've got to start accelerating. re migration, because already now in a

significant number of, cities in europe , europeans are not in the europe, europeans are not in the majority anymore. they don't feel at home anymore. and we've got to reverse this trend . got to reverse this trend. >> okay. thierry baudet, that's the leader of the forum for democracy and a member of the house of representatives. there in the netherlands. channel your inner nigel farage, go head to head with the european union and the best of luck with the spirit of nexit. now it's come back to the studio now to discuss this with my panel. of course, dame andrea jenkins, former conservative mp and minister and of course of the human rights campaigner and activist peter tatchell. should i start with you this time, peter? a lot of countries across the european union are starting to get a taste of brexit, wanting to go. it alone, because whether you like it or not, whether people like it or not, whether people like it or not, whether people like it or not, we are seeing a change. a social change. a lot of countries are saying the same. geert wilders, his party are getting voted in. the afd

are getting voted in. the afd are getting voted in. the afd are getting voted in in germany. le pen in france, the continent seems to be going more right wing, not in isolation, but in a reaction to open borders. what's your take? >> well, these parties who are anti—immigrant are still a clear minority, but they are gaining ground. we have to be concerned about that. we have to be concerned that by making a big issue of refugees, they are fuelling extremism. they are fuelling extremism. they are fuelling hatred , discrimination fuelling hatred, discrimination and even violence. there have been lots of attacks upon immigrants, some asylum seekers, but others working here and contributing to our economy. we should never generalise you know, if we look at loyalty, what was really interesting was the poll a couple of years ago, which showed that british muslims have a higher loyalty to this country than the average british person. that shows that, you know , integration and you know, integration and commitment to this country is not based upon being born here, that people who come here and

make their homes here, perhaps not just recently, but first, second and third generations have a real commitment to this country . and we should be we country. and we should be we should be encouraging that and supporting that. >> you paint a pretty picture. but meanwhile this has been dnvenin but meanwhile this has been driven in the netherlands, certainly in germany, by an explosion of violent crime amongst the immigrant communities in parts of germany and in denmark when they published the crime by nationality, there's a clear , nationality, there's a clear, clear picture which contradicts what you're saying. but what's your your take on this? >> i mean, i think it's great what the what the dutch are doing. i mean, clearly germany has got more of a pull because they contribute more financially to the eu. so they will close their borders. but i think it's going the right way. i think people across europe, in, in the uk as well, they're sick of this globalist agenda. and i think we're seeing more of a return to the nation state and people actually looking after their own, especially post covid when people have been struggling. >> i'd like to see us focus more

on what's the reasons why people migrate or seek asylum . it's migrate or seek asylum. it's mostly because of poverty and war. if we can deal with those problems in the countries they flee from , then the pull to this flee from, then the pull to this country, the number, the numbers of migrants, really the numbers here, the numbers will fall because most people do not want to leave their families and loved ones, but they don't want to leave the culture they've grown up in. they want to stay and ever increase in numbers. >> so they clearly do know, because so many of them are suffering from extreme poverty and war and conflict and sectarian violence. >> so let's get a global commitment to help solve those problems. and that would i wouldn't say it would eliminate, but it would reduce migration and immigration. >> peter thatcherite, we can't even solve the problems in our own country, let alone the entire world. but thank you very much, peter. andrea. let's move on. coming up after the break, should the labour governments change the rules when it comes to job seekers allowance? because one independent think tank thinks so. they say the current policy is bad for work. shy britain will debate that

next. this is farage with me. martin daubney only

gb news. welcome back to farage with me martin daubney standing in for the big man now a new report from an independent think tank has suggested that labour should scrap the 35 hours jobseekers rule brought in by the tory led government in 2013, and it states that jobless benefit claimants should spend 35 hours a week looking for work. now the institute for employment studies has said that is a bad policy that should instead be replaced by unemployed individuals on benefits . being asked to benefits. being asked to complete three job hunting activities, each week instead. but with more than 10 million brits out of working age, out of work, the debate over how best to get britain working again has

never been more important. so should the government change the requirements, or is this an example of labour? once again having a soft touch approach to welfare? still joining, of course, by my excellent panel . course, by my excellent panel. dame andrea jenkyns, former conservative mp and minister and the human rights campaigner and activist peter tatchell. i'll start with you this time, dame andrea, we've got a terrible problem , irrespective of problem, irrespective of government. yes, i agree with long term, unemployment, particularly now , the rise of particularly now, the rise of mental health people on disability benefits on the old neven disability benefits on the old never, never. how do we break that cycle? 35 hours a week surfing the web, doing nothing. measurable is one thing. does this new system of proving you've done three things? have any merit or actually, do we need to be a lot tougher, >> well, first of all, the figures have come down since 2010, i recall. i think it was 7.79% unemployed, and it's gone to down about, what, 4.1, 4.2 now. so we're in a better place than how labour left it. and and

but i think like you said, martin, it's about being tougher. i mean , never mind tougher. i mean, never mind surfing the net. and trying to prove you've been looking for jobs, get people out in the community doing some work, and it's. and they just get their benefits for that. then they'll soon want a job, won't they? i would get people out doing voluntary, voluntary work. >> but you're in government for 14 years. you could have done that. >> well, i wasn't in that role. if i'd have been in that role, i would have pushed that. martin. >> yeah. peter. what do you reckon this this idea of ticking boxes, filling out forms. is it the answer? we have a terrible problem. we've got 875,000, 16 to 24 year olds who are not in employment , to 24 year olds who are not in employment, education or training. they're listless. they've got no route forward. they're trapped in this benefits cycle. how do we break that? >> well, we do need to break it, definitely, no doubt about that. but the problem is that there are parts of the country where

the jobs just aren't there. so that's a really big problem. we also need to incentivise work. we need to raise the national minimum wage because right now, for some people to get a job, a low paid job makes them only marginally better off than being on benefits. that's not an incentive, it's a disincentive. so give them the incentive to get a job. and also, i think we just need to say to people, look, if you get a job, we will also find other ways to support you.so also find other ways to support you. so it's all about more encouragement . but also encouragement. but also governments and business need to get together to create the jobs. so the jobs are there for people to go for. >> but i've got a concern. we've seen how actually labour are punishing those who do the right thing. we've seen it with pensioners, we've seen it with those who want to send their children to private schools, and we've seen it with the wealth creators. so if labour are driving out these wealth creators to leave britain, how are they going to create the jobs? so i think it's going to get worse under labour. unfortunately, that is the big

problem. >> sicknote britain . yes. you >> sicknote britain. yes. you hear all these these stats now about people who are on mental health, a huge boom in people claiming to have mental health. many of them may have that. but is it the new bad back? have we got a problem of people getting on the never never, and they just simply never get instructed or told or forced to leave that cycle? >> i agree, it's, it shouldn't be a way of life, the benefits culture. it should be a safety net. and so we've got to be radical with this. unfortunately, i don't think labour will. we wasn't radical enough , to get these people back enough, to get these people back to work, because let's face it, i'm sure you agree. peter. if people are back to work, it raises their self—esteem and their mental health is much better. >> yeah, i would just point out this is not a labour proposal. it's from the institute for employment studies. but they are proposing labour are looking at it, labour are looking at it. and i do think it's worth looking at. i do think that people should be required to preside , provide some kind of preside, provide some kind of proof or evidence that they've actually doing something to get work, and if they live in an

employment black spot where there are no jobs, that needs to be noted and assessed and the government needs to invest there with business in joint enterprise to create those jobs so that everybody in every part of britain has a chance to get a decent, well—paid job and also in schools, actually start teaching the entrepreneurship to get people starting their own businesses and a lot more. also work with new apprenticeships and apprenticeship schemes. i mean , they're massively underfunded. >> no, but we have i mean , we've >> no, but we have i mean, we've had more apprenticeships now under the conservative government than ever before. we hugely invest in that. i mean, i was the apprenticeship minister and i'm quite proud of what the government did in that. but again, we've got to break this benefits culture. >> and if we don't, we have a massive bill work shy of britain currently a report out yesterday £16 billion every year. that's £9 billion in benefits and £7 billion in lost taxation. so we need to get on with that sharpish. thank you to my panel. excellent stuff. now coming up after the break, european car makers are calling for an urgent action amidst a sharp decline in

electric vehicle demand. what does this have to say about the current appetite for net zero? they're trying to force cars on us. doesn't seem that anybody wants. this is farage with me. martin daubney only on

gb news. welcome back to farage with me. martin daubney standing in for nigel farage tonight. now, germany has seen a sharp and spectacular 70% drop in electric car sales, sending shockwaves through the european union's largest auto market and also raising alarms across the entire european bloc. in august, electric vehicle sales plunged not only in germany but also across the entire eu, with a 44% drop overall. now, the electric automobile manufacturers association is calling for urgent action, warning that the

ev market is in freefall as new eu carbon reduction targets of course, loom. the manufacturers now face the risk of multi—billion euro fines for non—compliance. and pressure is mounting to delay the ambitious 2035 ban on petrol cars. it's not just the eu markets that is in trouble because last month the uk car industry indicated that it would miss government targets due to a cooling of consumer demand for electric vehicles. what's driving this downturn? to discuss this, i'm joined , delighted to say by joined, delighted to say by donal mccarthy, the director at the climate media coalition and of course, my wonderful panel, dame andrea jenkins, former tory mp and minister and the human rights campaigner and activist peter tatchell. donegal, welcome to the studio. let's start with you. people don't want these cars. you. people don't want these cars . they're choosing not to cars. they're choosing not to buy them. they're unreliable. they're expensive. people are concerned about the range on them. the figures tell us that

they've tried the carrot. now they're trying the stick. either way, the ev industry is simply running out of charge. >> well, actually, it's the opposite . in the united kingdom. opposite. in the united kingdom. last year in august, we had 25% sales for evs, a record 10% up on last year. and what you talked about is just it's actually nonsense. hang on second. >> that was fleet vehicles. not not private. >> total vehicle sales were up 2,025% of the market. now talk about charge range. range. range anxiety . yes. range anxiety used anxiety. yes. range anxiety used to be a thing. the modern. anxiety. yes. range anxiety used to be a thing. the modem. the modern cars now in the market are between 250 to 450 miles. thatis are between 250 to 450 miles. that is more than the average car driver drives in a whole week. so the idea the range is that cars evs are now better. and it's not just me as an environmentalist saying it. the automobile association says very clearly ev cars are cheaper to run, they're cleaner and they're more fun to drive. why are they cheaper to run? because over their lifetime, the cost of running them of maintenance and

fuelling them is significantly lower than fossil fuels. so the challenge is bringing second hand car sales down to the same price as evs. and then they'll the market will take off. >> you paint a picture of nirvana, where unicorns jump around and everyone lives in bliss. the figures don't support that. that whatsoever. 43.9% decline in electric vehicle sales year on year in britain, 14.4% of the market share versus 21% just one year ago. those who've got them, who want them, have already got them. and now they're punishing manufacturers who can't even shift them on the forecourt. it's going to be £15,000, £15,000 per vehicle. if they don't meet their targets, it's going to bankrupt the industry. >> no, it's not. the european manufacturers have said every yean manufacturers have said every year, almost since 1990, you're going to bankrupt us, dilute the regulations. the european union usually dilutes a little bit and then they put in the regulations, and every year for

the last three decades, the european manufacturers have actually managed to deliver cleaner cars than, to according us regulations. look, let's look at the wider context . we're at the wider context. we're living in a world today where right across the world today, as you know, martin, we're looking at floods in africa , in europe at floods in africa, in europe and in asia. >> my car won't do anything about that. >> and of the european emissions, 25% of european emissions, 25% of european emissions, carbon pollution come from surface transport. we have to tackle it. if we're going to have a hope of protecting britain and the wider world from climate breakdown. >> okay, let's move to my panel now. dame andrea jenkyns i could almost hear you gnashing your teeth in the background there. what's your take on this? the data seems to indicate that consumers are voting with their wallets and just not choosing them, especially domestic. >> absolutely. you made a good point, martin saying about fleet. but they're incentivised, aren't they, to get electric vehicles and electric cars are just far too expensive. people can't afford it, especially as you said on the second hand market. now, i think that the

climate zealots are actually bringing the car industries to its knees , and we should leave its knees, and we should leave its knees, and we should leave it to the markets. and i think when the public are struggling to pay their energy bills, they're not going to buy an electric car. so i think it's time that, you know, these climate change, proponents lived in the real world. >> peter, what's your take on it? >> well, clearly the cost of living crisis has had an impact. absolutely. that's one of the reasons why people are not going electric. and also, there's a misunderstanding about the long term costs and benefits. i mean, my friend, i don't know if he's accurate, but he said to charge his car fully. it costs less than a pound. whereas if he was going to buy petrol it would be £50. so clearly they are much cheaper to run, even though the costs are much higher initially and maybe the way forward is to bnng and maybe the way forward is to bring down those initial costs. to give people a greater incentive is the way to tackle this, to find manufacturers 15 grand per car and all the incentives from before like no congestion zone , no ulez that's congestion zone, no ulez that's all going because there's a £12

billion hole in the revenue from petrol sales, so they'll always find new ways to tax you, even if you do the right thing. well, there's no doubt that the manufacturers are under pressure and rightly so, because if we don't tackle this carbon climate crisis, we're going to pay in the long term, far, far greater costs. it's going to fall on the taxpayer or buy chinese cars that don't comply with any of these rules. >> and in the meantime, decimate the european manufacturing industry. >> very interesting about government, uk tory policy, which is being implemented at the moment by the current administration, is that car? car pnces administration, is that car? car prices are coming down. and actually what that's really exciting because it's actually making second hand evs accessible to the vast majority of british drivers who buy second hand cars. 79% of the market is second hand cars. once we crack that which the government seems to be doing right now, we actually have exponential growth and that means poorer people will have cheaper driving. and that's good for the driver. it's good for poor drivers and it's good for the environment.

>> okay, well superb stuff and let's have a quick chat now of course with jacob rees—mogg because the state of the nation is up next. jacob rees—mogg is joining us now. jacob, what's on your menu ? your menu? >> well, one of the things i'm going to be talking about is on a new book by vernon bogdanor, the great constitutional historian, on six figures who've made the political, whether one of whom is our very own nigel farage. and i'm going to be to talking vernon about whether nigel could ultimately end up as prime minister. so something i think gb news viewers will be absolutely fascinated by. another thing we're going to discuss is the iea report suggesting that we need total reform of the nhs, not just pounng reform of the nhs, not just pouring more money in, but fundamental reform so that we make it look like the health service that other countries have that are more responsive to patients. and less run for the sake of the producer. >> and jacob, if nigel were prime minister, that surely would mean that you'd join reform at long last. >> well, i think if nigel were

to become prime minister, he'd probably want to become a tory first of all. but perhaps we'll have to ask him that when he's he's back in the studio to get his view on whether or not he can become prime minister and whether he did as a tory. >> spoken like a true politician there, jacob rees—mogg, of course, straight after this state of the nation. thank you very much to my superstar panel tonight, peter tatchell, dame andrea jenkyns and of course , andrea jenkyns and of course, tanaka. always a pleasure. i still don't think it's going to catch on this electric vehicle thing. i really, really don't. i know we can carry this. >> put a tenner on it. >> put a tenner on it. >> we'll carry this one on in the pub. thank you very much for joining me tonight. i hope i did a good job. nigel will be back next week. i'm back tomorrow, 3 to 6 pm. you haven't had enough of my nonsense. you'll catch more of it then. thanks for your company. enjoy the show. jacob rees mogg is next. but first, here's your weather with alex deakin. have a good one. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news

>> time for your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. good evening to you. tomorrow likely to start fairly grey. it should brighten up with some sunshine but a change in the south. we are expecting to see some heavy and thundery showers developing as the day goes on. low pressure is just pushing northwards, getting rid of the high pressure that's brought most of us a dry week with the easterly winds. the cloud is feeding back in through the night across northern england, across the midlands into east wales and western scotland, northern ireland generally staying dry and clear here. and that's where we'll see the lowest temperatures. well down into single figures, but elsewhere staying quite mild actually, with the blanket of cloud, that cloud thick enough for a bit of drizzle on some eastern coasts and over the pennines. we may see 1 or 2 showers in the morning across the southeast, but we're more likely to see them develop as we go through the day. it will be quite a cloudy start, but as those skies start to brighten, some heavier showers developing later on. much of western wales, northern ireland and western

scotland having a sparkling start to the day with plenty of sunshine that will soon start to lift the temperatures. but the east coast plagued by that ha i east coast plagued by that ha! and that could be a feature of the weather throughout the day, and at times that cloud thicken up for a bit of drizzle. as i mentioned though, it's in the south where we're a bit concerned about the showers that are likely to develop. it will brighten up, we'll see some sunshine, but that will spark a scattering of showers, perhaps over east anglia, but particularly over the midlands, southern england and parts of wales come the afternoon and into the evening . still quite into the evening. still quite warm here. cool on some of these nonh warm here. cool on some of these north sea coasts where it stays grey. a very pleasant day in western scotland once more. we do have a met office yellow warning in place for the thunderstorms. not everywhere in this area will catch a downpour, but where they do occur they could cause some problems. potential for flooding . potential for flooding. certainly a lot of spray and surface water on the roads and we're not done with the thunderstorms because on saturday across the south we could again see some very heavy downpours developing once more. a fine day in western scotland,

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gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. is it time to aboush nation tonight. is it time to abolish the national health service? that's what a leading think tank has suggested. and if there's one thing the tories have proved, it's that pouring money into it simply doesn't work. as the treasury watchdog reveals the shocking truth on immigration, i will be debating an economist on whether immigration is good or bad for britain's economy. the metropolitan police commissioner , metropolitan police commissioner, sir mark rowley, has taken a veiled swipe at suella braverman, claiming politicians that criticise police embolden thugs. so you think it's not impossible that nigel farage could become prime minister one

day? >> well, in politics anything can happen .