>> well . >> well. >> well. >> a very, very good afternoon to you. >> it's 3:00 pm on friday afternoon and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb. >> news are broadcasting live from the heart of westminster and all across the uk today, with a special emphasis on birmingham, because the big question is can nigel farage be our next prime minister well, the reform party certainly think so. 50. >> so. >> and on today's show we'll be live from their party conference in birmingham in a short while across live to hear a speech by lee anderson, the party chief whip, and then later in the show, we'll hear from the man himself, reform party leader nigel farage, and barristers have described former arizona

mohamed al fayed as a monster , mohamed al fayed as a monster, comparing him to jimmy savile, as five women claim they were raped. we'll speak to their lawyer, gloria allred, who tirelessly fought for justice for survivors abused by jailed hollywood predator harvey weinstein and on the 80th anniversary of the historic operation market garden that forever changed the course of world war ii, we'll be live from the historic battlefields of arnhem, where survivors of that epic battle will be paying a touching tribute to their fallen comrades. >> 80 years on, that's all coming between now and 6 pm. well, it's the show. we've got an absolute belter for you today. is nigel farage going to be our next prime minister? well, the reform party certainly thinks so. that's their pitch today. they claim they are getting ready for power, but are

they ready? well, in a short while, we'll be hearing from lee anderson. he's the warm up act to the main man, nigel farage, later in the show, making his pitch to the nation to the membership to say i am ready for power. that's all coming on the show. get in touch. do you think nigel farage is ready or reform a party that you would vote for or are they simply too divisive? get in touch, let me know . get get in touch, let me know. get in there. i'll read your comments out. i'll get a few of them to nigel and to lee anderson. plus chris hope our man on the ground will be speaking to the party chairman. also all bases covered today. get in touch gbnews.com forward slash your say but now your headunes slash your say but now your headlines and here's mark white lakshmi parthasarathy . lakshmi parthasarathy. >> good afternoon. the main news from the gb news centre just after 3:02 one of mohamed al fayed's alleged victims has said the billionaire businessman was highly manipulative. a london

based news conference heard the former harrods owner, described as a monster, enabled by a system that pervaded the business. one lawyer said the case combined some of the most horrific elements of the jimmy savile, jeffrey epstein and harvey weinstein abuse scandals. fulham football club, which was owned by al fayed until he sold it , is trying to owned by al fayed until he sold it, is trying to establish if anyone at the club has been affected. natasha, who worked at harrods, described al fayed, who died last year, as a predator who preyed on the most vulnerable . vulnerable. >> these incidents lasted seconds , but the fear instilled seconds, but the fear instilled left me paralysed . al fayed left me paralysed. al fayed brushed off these moments like they had never happened. but i was always reminded not to mention them to anyone. he would know if i did . know if i did. >> the israeli military has said the hezbollah terror group has fired more than 140 rockets into

northern israel. today, the barrage started a number of fires when some rockets landed in open areas of the israeli countryside. in response , countryside. in response, israeli forces have targeted hezbollah, launch sites across southern lebanon and within the last hour, warplanes have also bombed a hezbollah stronghold in the lebanese capital, beirut. the foreign secretary is urging british nationals in lebanon to leave while they can. reform ukip leader nigel farage received a standing ovation as he entered the main hall of the party's conference at the nec in birmingham. mr farage has said the conference marks the coming of age of the party. earlier deputy leader of reform uk, richard tice said nigel farage's relationship with former us president donald trump is to the benefit of the country. asked if he thought the party leader was

distracted from his constituency dufies distracted from his constituency duties by his trips to the us, mr tice told reporters far from it . well, tory party leader it. well, tory party leader hopeful richard jenrick has warned that english identity is under threat. he claims the ties that bind the nation together are beginning to fray due to mass immigration and woke culture. jenrick says immigration has had a clear impact on the culture, customs and cohesion of the country. mr jenrick is also suggested that it was a contributing factor to last summer's. this summer's riots, with unrest spreading of course, across the country in the wake of the southport knife attack, which killed three young girls . a campaigner whose niece girls. a campaigner whose niece was killed by her ex—partner after calling the police multiple times, says domestic violence victims need to be heard the first time they call

999. newer norris, whose niece raneem oudeh and sister were both murdered by masood's ex—partner in 2018. she says those calling the police for help need to be given the opportunity to be saved. the home office says some police forces will start embedding domestic abuse specialists in their 999 control rooms early next year as part of raneem's law, to transform the way the police handle cases of violence against women and girls. >> victims of domestic abuse need to know that the police will be there for them in an emergency. that didn't happen for raneem oudeh when she lost her life. and that's why we're bringing domestic abuse experts into 999 control rooms like this, to make sure that the emergency response is right. we saw when raneem oudeh called 999 four times on the night. she was killed. no one came. we cannot let that happen again. so we'll

begin with the first wave. then we want to roll this out right across the country so that domestic abuse victims can know the police will be there for them when they call . them when they call. >> and finally , anthony joshua >> and finally, anthony joshua says he's ready to take revenge against daniel dubois for coming off worse in a brutal sparring session eight years ago, when the british rivals clashed at wembley or when they clash at wembley. i should say tomorrow night. joshua admitted he was hurt by dubois when the they duelled in training at team gb headquarters in sheffield in 2016. at the time , dubois was 2016. at the time, dubois was just 18 years old and still an amateur , with the power he amateur, with the power he displayed against the olympic gold medallist that day convinced promoter frank warren to sign him up as a pro. convinced promoter frank warren to sign him up as a pro . and now to sign him up as a pro. and now i'll try to get to grips with the dubois name by the next houn the dubois name by the next hour. and now it's back to the king of the ring, martin daubney

for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> mark white. the king of the ring. i'm taking that and gloves off for a heavyweight contest today because reform uk's conference has kicked off with nigel farage's party insisting that they can win the next general election. fighting talk indeed, the party is expected to unveil their plan on to how replace labour in 2029 after winning just five seats in the house of commons at the general winning just five seats in the house of commons at the general election in july. now we'll hear election in july. now we'll hear from nigel farage in about an from nigel farage in about an hours hours from nigel farage in about an hour's time and but before that, from nigel farage in about an hour's time and but before that, reform uk mp for ashfield, lee reform uk mp for ashfield, lee anderson, is expected to speak anderson, is expected to speak in the next few minutes and will in the next few minutes and will cross for a full update to cross for a full update to

birmingham with our political birmingham with our political edhon birmingham with our political editor, chris hope. when we get him up. but before that i'm joined in our studio by denis macshane denis. welcome to the show. former labour mp, of course. so they're bound to be saying, you know , it's fighting saying, you know, it's fighting talk. we're ready for power. that's what political parties do. but do you think that's possible? they won five. at the last election, five mps, despite getting over 4 million votes, more votes indeed than the liberal democrats, who returned 72 mp5. liberal democrats, who returned 72 mps. so they've got a mountain to climb. but they seem up for the fight. what's your take? >>i take? >> i think nigel has been up for a fight. may i call him nigel? >> he's an old friend. >> he's an old friend. >> nigel's been up for a fight for as long as i've known him, but he never seems to land a real punch. he lands a punch in the media. he lands a punch and make himself famous. and that's about it . now make himself famous. and that's about it. now we'll

make himself famous. and that's ab> no , i'm not. >> no, i'm not. >>— >> no, i'm not. >> i'm not getting into. i can't get into that debate and talk about some of nigel's interesting past endeavours. but the point is, i mean , maybe it's the point is, i mean, maybe it's a clever tactic. i mean, nigel probably is the richest mp in the commons, or maybe richard tice the two of them could start literally buying votes. we always talk about buying votes. this is the way to go forward. no, seriously. i mean, there are problems and reform, you know, goes around the edges of issues like immigration as the other parties do. but i mean, you

know, nigel got very badly burnt over what he said at the start of the riots because he'd undoubtedly made them much worse. and i think, well, there's no proof that his words made anything worse. well, there's a well, there is actually quite a lot now of investigative evidence that the way he said that we're not being told the truth, that is a traditional pouring petrol on the flames of conspiracy theories words. >> there's no proof that anything he said made those. >> look, we're getting away from the main event. let's get back to let's get back to what he's going to say today. >> well, i mean, i will look forward to hearing what lee has has to say. i'm sure he'll he'll probably actually shouldn't forget. you know, he's been in every other party. so now he's in reform he will be saying what you could hear in any working man's club in nottinghamshire or any miners or steelworkers club anywhere in the north. on immigrants and it's true all over europe. it's true in america. trump is playing to that base as well. and yet at

the same time, there are our doctors, our dentists, our nurses, our carers, our taxi drivers, our accountants , our drivers, our accountants, our new businesses. so we're really a bit schizophrenic, aren't we? >> well, no, because the nuclear physicists and the doctors aren't coming over on dinghies from calais, are they? let's be let's be brutally honest. you know, the party as i understand it, is an anti—immigration. it's about controlling the numbers and the quality. all are sensible. party will do that . in sensible. party will do that. in fact, the labour party has made the very same plans. >> and so have i over many bonng >> and so have i over many boring years. >> and we could drop the best practice in other countries in europe, not in eu policy. simply say you need id cards. you can't get a job unless the union in the workplace agrees to take in new foreign labour. you need inspection of workplaces so there can't be any exploitation. you need to have return agreements with other countries to try and get them back. now, as it happens , the prime as it happens, the prime minister, sir keir starmer, has just been down in italy and there are 283,000 asylum seekers

in italy . in there are 283,000 asylum seekers in italy. in britain it's running at about 57,000. believe it or not, martin, we're actually down. you know, well below the championship league in terms of asylum seekers. >> seriously, on on on all seriousness, the whole point that parties like reform are doing well and it's the same across france and across the netherlands and across italy and across germany, is that the mainstream parties are turning a blind eye and saying nothing to see here about uncontrolled immigration and about things like islamism , serious issues. like islamism, serious issues. we've just seen another terror attack in rotterdam. we've seen terrorist attacks in britain , in terrorist attacks in britain, in germany, germany now closing its borders, the netherlands yesterday asking to be taken out of the european union's asylum seeker programme. they're fed up of the numbers they're getting. these are serious issues that garnered 4 million votes and i would warrant would get more now and that's because whether you like it or not, whether sir keir starmer likes it or not. reform the reform party is talking

about these issues and that is their pitch. that's their opportunity. the question to you, dennis, is , is that enough you, dennis, is, is that enough of a pitch to win the balance of power at a general election? >> okay, that's a very fair question , let me put my cards on question, let me put my cards on the table because you're talking to the lad who was an mp about 20 years ago who made a big speech about islamism and said we had to wake up to it, then wrote a book about anti—semitism and the and exposing the bnp. they then personally attacked me. so some of us have been saying this for a long time. can we get on the bbc? can we get it into the papers? maybe not, but every party i know anywhere in europe have just come back from paris, where governments are almost breaking down. exploring the politics there and immigration is again, they're the number one issue. but the trouble is, any time a party gets into power and we've got the experience here in britain because we've had the tory in power for 14 years, they try to do everything they tried to do rwanda, they tried to send people back. they tried to put

more police on the beaches of calais and it didn't work. and the difficult it's easy for anyone to say, i know how to sort out immigration, send in the royal navy, kind of ship them all back, give them a one way ticket to. well, that's what italy is doing. >> italy is doing that precise thing and returning to libya and tunisia by by doing deals with them and an offshore processing centre in albania. they've actually taken action. and it's precipitated a —60% reduction in boats arriving on italy's southern shores. >> so they they took firm action andifs >> so they they took firm action and it's worked. >> be careful if you read the italian press, the european press, as i do , they're now press, as i do, they're now incredibly serious accusations. and i'm using my words very clearly that the tactics that mrs. maloney has given the green light to and don't forget her party was founded by mussolini's assistance would be better off if sir keir starmer's cosying up to maloney on the world stage is going. >> they were far right extremists and mussolini supporters before sir keir starmer is in power now he's had

to shake hands with her ideas. >> winston churchill said mussolini was the greatest law giver in rome in 2000 years, so i'm afraid the conservative party's got form when it's when it's being nice to mussolini. but to go back to the main question, it is a huge question everywhere. it may defy. excuse me , the american election as me, the american election as well , martin, me, the american election as well, martin, and that is how do you handle this mass people movement and i'm terribly sorry. a bad throat , thought i take it a bad throat, thought i take it enough. strepsils today, and the. it'd be interesting. i'm sure nigel will make remarks or statements that will get a lot of applause, but whether it will any longer convince the british people because they elect people on taxes , on security, on on taxes, on security, on education, on access to universities, above all the nhs. and what's nigel's answers for that? >> well, his answer is we should perhaps look at partial private privatised system . actually, privatised system. actually, similar noises come out of wes streeting mouth. a sensible solution to those who can afford

to go private. perhaps doing that, and those who can't, and therefore lessening the burden on those who can't afford to pay- on those who can't afford to pay. so the sensible thing, they do it in denmark, they do it in australia, they do it in france, they do it in germany, they do it in switzerland. >> if nigel's going all european, my goodness. i'll have to start rethinking my, my, my views on him. so yeah, i mean, i'm for all stealing good ideas from europe. and welcome to the club, nigel. >> yeah. so we're just trying to get connection now to birmingham to get our political editor, chris hope, and we will be crossing to birmingham to check out the speech from lee anderson shortly . but before that, let's shortly. but before that, let's get let's get back to the story before the conference. in fact, last night story. and that is a lot of people no doubt yourself, dennis, were critical of the fact that the reform party was a limited company, a private limited company, a private limited company, a private limited company with the majority of shares held by nigel farage. ben habib, the former deputy leader , have been very deputy leader, have been very critical of this, wanted the party to be more democratic, more open and so a big part of the conference this weekend, in fact, there's a vote on it

tomorrow by members is to get this piece of legislation to go through which would allow either 50% of the mps if there are more than 100. well, that's not going to happen, certainly not before . to happen, certainly not before. 2029 or the contentious lie—in 50% of members in good standing to vote the leader out. do you do you think that's a necessary thing to do? and do you think it's enough? the party needs to be a proper , democratic, open be a proper, democratic, open and accountable party. it can't be a limited company if it wishes to get into downing street. >> well, in other countries there's trump really on top of a democratic party. or is he just a one man show? there's a lot of one man show politics around the park at the moment in many different countries because frankly, the old 20th, late 19th century forms of parties in so many countries just aren't corresponding to people's needs. people have had to go off to form women's parties have to go off to form green parties, got to have to go off to reform

reform parties. and in consequence, the mainstream parties, just 1 or 2 big ones that could try and put everything together into one package. and we're seeing this volatility, we're seeing this splitting up into little factional groups . and i'm not an factional groups. and i'm not an expert on you know nigel and the different parties he's been ahead of. i thought ben habib was his best friend. i often debated with him on gb news and he seemed to be on the farage line. if he's now claiming that it's not democratic, that'll be a debate. i can't solve that for that. i mean, the labour party has got its own problems, as you know about. certainly is sir keir starmer being very, very ruthless in weeding out anybody whose views he considers to be in inappropriate. >> well, it's a very ruthless in weeding out taylor swift tickets and premier league tickets worth nine grand a pop and 16 grand's worth of suits and 20 grand's worth of suits and 20 grand's worth of suits and 20 grand's worth of free accommodation. so pass, pass, pass. >> i mean, i mean, i've done many things. it's now. no, no,

what i'm saying is that , alas, i what i'm saying is that, alas, i think i did probably get free tickets to rotherham united in the director's box, but a refund i liked. i was just go down now and i enjoyed chatting to all the business guys there because you picked up, you know, what was happening in the economy. i don't quite understand their stories that he has to have a box because the police insist now on total security. the old days when you just walked into the vip box at wembley or over. certainly on clothes. i'm a bit confused as you can see, because i've just come running off the street. some of us don't have a clothes budget, just want to give a quick update to those tuning in. >> and the previous speaker i think is rupert loaf. he's the mp for great yarmouth for reform and a former mep for the brexit party in the west midlands. in fact, i was his colleague at that point. he still rattling on. he does like the sound of his own voice. when he's finished, we're going to go to lee anderson. but before that, let's get back to, let's talk about lee anderson. so he's

somebody as you you've been critical of. he's he was started out as a labour councillor. then he went to the conservative party. and now because he he believed that the labour party betrayed brexit, millions of voters agreed and went with the tories in 2019. then he fell out of love with the conservatives. he went to reform. in fact, on this show he made those comments that raised a lot of eyebrows about sadiq khan being controlled by islamists. so he puts his foot in it. but he says it as he sees it, and a lot of people outside of the bubble, outside of westminster, outside of the chattering class, outside of the chattering class, outside of the chattering class, outside of the media class, they don't mind that they connect with people like him. do you think he's the kind of communicator that political parties outside of reform? they don't know how to handle him . to handle him. >> i think we know how to handle him. i mean, he doesn't say anything very original. they're very standard old fashioned lines from that part of the political spectrum. i mean, the labour party had in my lifetime tony benn, who the press

excoriated, they crucified chris mullin because he dared to say that the six guys accused of blowing up people in birmingham. i was a young reporter. there were innocent, which they were, and the sun and the daily mail said, this man is a filth. he shouldn't be allowed into england. so i think that's one of the pleasures of england. i mean, i don't want to sort of shut up lee anderson or nigel farage or anybody unless they incite and be very, very clear. we've had problems in labour. and as i said, sir keir starmer has been ruthless in removing anybody who's got any link or could be any way connected to making jews in britain feel uncomfortable. and i just was checking in france , marine le checking in france, marine le pen, the leader of, i suppose, the giant reform party over there. she's had to expel a raft of people because of racism and anti—semitism. so did reform in the day. i don't know who's going to do it now. >> well, they weeded out a few candidates because i think what

happened, as i understand it, was they just had like 600 candidates in a very short penod candidates in a very short period of time to try and process that. and a few bad apples got through and they were deau apples got through and they were dealt with, oh, the bad apples. >> yes. well, that happens as well in the labour party. >> the labour party was investigated for anti—semitism and racism in the corbyn's watch. they were they were vying to be in power. corbyn himself was investigated for racism. the only party apart from the bnp. so you know this happens. >> yeah. okay. it does, it does it does happen. and that's going to be a bigger problem. i think, for reform going forward. because if you track all the sister parties in europe , there sister parties in europe, there are a lot of what you might call old adams. there i'm not going to list them. martin. you know them as well as i do. they're them as well as i do. they're the kind of remarks the late at night in a working men's club or in a posh club in, in mayfair. people can get away with those kind of remarks. but in modern britain , modern france, you just britain, modern france, you just can't say any of that in public. when it's about women, whether it's about muslims, whether it's about black people, whether it's about black people, whether it's about brown people, it's about jewish people. you just can't

say it. so, i mean, i wish reform luck. i mean, as i said, if nigel's coming up with sensible european ideas on reforming the health service, let's hear them. he's very keen on proportional representation. so maybe he should form an alliance with the liberal democrat. >> dennis, we've got rupert lowe on there. he's he's going on. why don't we tune in to see what rupert lowe has to say. he doesn't want to leave the stage. so let's see what he's got to say. shall we end the war on motorists and allow free enterprise to flourish ? let's enterprise to flourish? let's reverse devolution and restore our act of . union. our act of. union. >> scotland. scotland is now a dysfunctional example of failed devolution, funded by the engush devolution, funded by the english taxpayer through the barnett formula, with wales close behind , less government close behind, less government must be better for all citizens and finally, let's slash legal .

and finally, let's slash legal. immigration. to put it simply, we are . full. only the best and we are. full. only the best and the brightest who will contribute to our economy and importantly, integrate into our society should be allowed in small numbers . uncontrolled small numbers. uncontrolled mass immigration is the root cause of so many of our issues. immigration is the root cause of so many of our issues . yet the so many of our issues. yet the political establishment refuses to acknowledge it either. they're incompetent or they're lying . fearing the failure of lying. fearing the failure of their misguided policy of a utopian, multicultural society ,

utopian, multicultural society, as margaret thatcher said after 9/11, the events of september the 11th are a terrible reminder that freedom demands eternal vigilance. and for too long we have not been vigilant . we have . have not been vigilant. we have. we have harboured those who hate us, tolerated those who threatened us, and indulged those who weakened . us. did those who weakened. us. did anybody listen ? when i asked anybody listen? when i asked keir starmer at pmqs, did he agree that allowing millions of immigrants into the country since 1997 had damaged our communities and undermined our pubuc communities and undermined our public services ? his lame public services? his lame response was that he was unsure of my numbers . what was he

of my numbers. what was he questioning ? whether millions of questioning? whether millions of people had entered the country since 1997. that is an undeniable fact, and it is of great concern that he does not seem to understand the electorate's legitimate and growing concerns . sadly growing concerns. sadly his instincts as a human rights lawyer from which he has earned his living, is embedded in his dna . the current formula simply dna. the current formula simply isn't working, and change is now essential. challenging the overcomplex legal system is hard for a law abiding nation, but the silent majority now needs the silent majority now needs the courage to call out the dysfunctional state of britain before it's too late . as tacitus before it's too late. as tacitus said, the more corrupt the state, the more numerous the

laws . our collective objective laws. our collective objective has to be a reform government between now and 2029. which represents the interests of the british people . as winston british people. as winston churchill said, the farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to . see. forward you are likely to. see. in looking back, i came across the view of socrates on democracy and its vulnerability. he said democracy must fall because it will try to tailor to everyone . the poor will want the everyone. the poor will want the wealth of the rich, and democracy will give it to them. young people will want to be

respected as elderly , and respected as elderly, and democracy will give it to them . democracy will give it to them. women will want to be like men and democracy will give it to them . foreigners will want the them. foreigners will want the rights of the natives and democracy will give it to them. thieves and fraudsters will want important government functions, and democracy will give it to them . and at that them. and at that time, when thieves and fraudsters finally democratically take authority because criminals and evildoers want power , there will be worse want power, there will be worse dictatorship than in the time of any monarchy or oligarchy. now is the time for the people of britain to have the courage to speak out before they lose their

freedom, their freedom of speech , freedom, their freedom of speech, and their special way of life to whatever subversive forces are seeking to undermine us, be it the european union, the world economic forum, the united nations, the billionaires, the world health organisation, the bilderbergers, the council on foreign relations, crony capitalism, tony blair's socialist dream or other malign forces . reform forces. reform represents the people fairness , common sense people fairness, common sense and an accountable government in westminster for the british people . that cannot people. that cannot happen without seismic change. please

remember that the only thing for the triumph of evil is good. for good men to do nothing, we must now . we must now , collectively now. we must now, collectively but legally bring the fight to them . thank you . thank you them. thank you. thank you. >> and that. >> and that. >> that was rupert lowe there, giving a characteristically colourful speech at the reform party conference in birmingham. of course, he's the mp for great yarmouth, former mep for the west midlands, for the brexit party. he was one of the 29 who went to brussels to make the conservatives get brexit done. we're expecting lee anderson to be up for next about 15 minutes behind schedule. trust me, i've spoken behind rupert lowe. it's

quite characteristic denis macshane for him to how shall we put it, go on a bit, but he did say some some lines that are worth going back over. he said we are full as a country. uncontrolled mass immigration is the root of many of our problems we're going to cross. now. we've finally got a line to chris hope, our political editor, who's at the conference there, chris, what's the latest security, as you know. >> hi , martin. yeah, waiting to >> hi, martin. yeah, waiting to hear from lee anderson. of course he's going to give quite a characteristic outspoken speech. we expect him to talk about getting his country back, how he wonders why children are being taught in the old days, being taught in the old days, being taught in the old days, being taught to be good citizens. now they're being taught about different genders. so a real sense that this from the reform uk conference, a real a real plea here for lee. and i think to go back to the kind of old fashioned way of teaching children, he'll say there's a battle on in this country, he says. he'll say that he wants to create what he's calling a people's army to take back control , as he would say it, and

control, as he would say it, and put this, this, this party into a party of government by 2029, however far, however unlikely that seems, that is what he will be saying to the party members shortly. >> around him now, two years of the atmosphere, there , it seems the atmosphere, there, it seems like it's sold out. seems very, very packed. the crowd seem very, very up for it. of course, the party is playing to its home crowd. that's the nature of being at a party conference. but chris, you go to a lot of these things. what's the energy like? how does it compare to the bigger parties ? he finally saw bigger parties? he finally saw the light. >> it does seem very upbeat. i mean, in a sense, it's almost a sugar rush here for the members of reform uk. they've sort of gobbung of reform uk. they've sort of gobbling lots of cola bottles and getting excited, but whether that lasts for a while is the next question. that's why behind the scenes, the plumbing for the party is being sorted out. they're looking at the rule book, the constitution, so they can get a properly, democratically constituted party. i think behind me, lee anderson is on stage, so leanne battersby .

b attersby. darren mccaffrey battersby. darren mccaffrey . on. jk rowling darren mccaffrey. on. jk rowling was one surina sehgal bim afolami sza. >> there we go , here we go, here >> there we go, here we go, here we go . we go. >> wow, that was brilliant . that >> wow, that was brilliant. that were welcome. conference it is indeed a pleasure to stand here before the people's army. and i want to thank each and every one of you for making the sacrifice to come in here for the weekend. i know times are tough. i know money is in short supply. i know many of you have had to have a day off work, hotels, travel,

childcare. so from the bottom of my heart, thank you for coming today. my heart, thank you for coming today . i want my country today. i want my country back . today. i want my country back. the question is, do you want your country back ? amen. for your country back? amen. for that. you know , i remember that. you know, i remember a time when our children went to school and they were taught to how read and write and become good citizens. they were not taught they could be a different genden taught they could be a different gender. they did not have to sit down and listen to a six foot five drag queen, read stories to them . this has been happening them. this has been happening under our watch in this country. it's an absolute disgrace . i it's an absolute disgrace. i want i want this nonsense to

stop . yeah let children be stop. yeah let children be children. let them grow and develop and learn and make their own mistakes. they'll figure it out when they get to 18. just because a little boy picks up a doll, it doesn't make him a girl. true. and just because a little girl kicks a football, it doesn't mean she wants to be a boy. i want my country back and the country i'm talking about will not tolerate this nonsense . will not tolerate this nonsense. of the past few years , nearly of the past few years, nearly 150,000 illegal migrants have crossed the english channel, and they've been picked up by british boats and then placed in four star hotels, given free legal advice and then allowed to settle in our country . it's settle in our country. it's a

disgrace . that 90% of these disgrace. that 90% of these arrivals are young men, some destined for a life of crime. we've seen it before. they've come into this country and committed all sorts of horrific crimes. and our governments have passed three acts of parliament to stop the boats , and they to stop the boats, and they still keep coming. these men have broken into our country . have broken into our country. and guess what? conference i do not want them here. come . not want them here. come. on. i want my country back and the country i'm talking about would not tolerate this stupidity. you know . what? back in the 80s and know. what? back in the 80s and 90s in ashfield, where i represent the capital of common

sense . so it's true. i live sense. so it's true. i live there . if you applied for there. if you applied for a council house back in the 80s and 90s, the council would give you three sets of keys and say, go and look at three houses and pick the one you want. nowadays, 7000 people on the council house waiting list in ashfield. you've got literally no chance at all of ever getting a council house. and yet parliament thinks it's a goodidea and yet parliament thinks it's a good idea to let over1 million people a year enter our country. that's hundreds of thousands of extra people putting extra pressure on our public services whilst decent, hard working brits can't get a dental appointment, a gp appointment, a school place for their kids . and school place for their kids. and these idiot politicians tell us that mass migration is a great thing and makes us all better off idiots. a lot of them . are

off idiots. a lot of them. are i want my country back and the country i'm talking about. would not tolerate this stupidity . now not tolerate this stupidity. now then this gets better . believe then this gets better. believe me. back in the day, if we had civil unrest on our streets, you could be rest assured that our boys in blue would quickly be on the scene and get stuck in so decent folks could go about their daily life . just imagine their daily life. just imagine telling people in 1984 on the picket lines, on the miners picket lines, on the miners picket lines. i was there with my dad and my family. just imagine telling the police and striking miners at that time that fast forward 40 years and we'd see a load of undernourished vegans, grey haired . yeah, armed with the haired. yeah, armed with the just stop oil high vis vest and a dangerous pair of jesus sandals. yeah entering london

and bringing the whole capital city to a standstill whilst the metropolitan police stood by and did nothing apart from dance, the macarena . the macarena. and admire the latest rainbow on their police car. it's true. i want my country back. and the country i'm talking about would not tolerate this stupidity. now it's true . what about net zero? it's true. what about net zero? what a load of rubbish that is. yeah, let me tell you . these yeah, let me tell you. these lunatics that keep banging on about net zero. let me tell you about net zero. let me tell you about drax . power station in about drax. power station in yorkshire, north yorkshire. this is a power station that used to burn coal from a nearby coal mine. now what does it burn now?

it burns wood . genius. this wood , it burns wood. genius. this wood, this wood, by the way , comes this wood, by the way, comes from america. we are literally chopping down forests and trees and putting them on diesel guzzling cargo ships sailing across the atlantic , setting across the atlantic, setting fire to them in drax power station . and that's classed as station. and that's classed as renewable energy . not only that, renewable energy. not only that, that we subsidise this power station by £1 million a day. it's cost us £11 billion so far, whilst we've got shale gas oil under our feet, it's nonsense . under our feet, it's nonsense. and in march, this year, i think it was march might have been april. march this year i became the reform uk's first ever member of parliament. yes.

the reform uk's first ever member of parliament. yes . you member of parliament. yes. you will also know that this was just after a few supposedly controversial comments i made about mayor khan sadiq khan . about mayor khan sadiq khan. i like to think of it as constructive criticism . in my constructive criticism. in my opinion, he has given our capital city away and he should be thoroughly ashamed of himself . be thoroughly ashamed of himself. yeah i was told at the time that i must apologise to labour's mayor in london. now let me tell you, in our conference i will never apologise to that . man.

never apologise to that. man. let's look at his track record. overall crime up by 21%. violent crime 35%. homicides 5%. knife crime 35%. homicides 5%. knife crime 54%. sexual offences 51%. it should be him who's apologising to the people of . apologising to the people of. london. it's a disgrace. you're right . he's got the cheek to right. he's got the cheek to tell us that he doesn't feel safe in london. yeah. let that sink in. he's got bodyguards, armoured car, 24 hour security is in charge of the met police. and he doesn't feel safe . how and he doesn't feel safe. how does he think that 10 million people that live in london feel under his leadership ? this man under his leadership? this man needs booting out of office for the sake of . london. in july of

the sake of. london. in july of this year, i became the reform uk's first ever elected member of parliament. yeah, you can clap for that as well . and let clap for that as well. and let me tell you, that's a much better feeling being re—elected than the first time round, because i had a massive point to prove, as you know. yeah . but prove, as you know. yeah. but conference the greatest achievement during my political career was in 2022. i was voted the worst man in britain by the daily mirror. now that's a feat. even nigel farage cannot surpass. he has no chance . but surpass. he has no chance. but i'm telling you what, it was a close run race that year because

in second place, hot on my heels was prince . was prince. andrew. even i find it funny and i've read it about 20 times, so . read it about 20 times, so. yeah, the daily mirror criticised me for my stance on on the england side, taking the knee. nobody should be taking the knee to black lives matter . the knee to black lives matter. they also criticised me , they also criticised me, criticised me over some supposedly controversial things that i've said. listen it's not controversial to call out blm . controversial to call out blm. it's not controversial to be concerned about what our children are being taught in

schools. it's not controversial to be concerned about mass immigration. it's not controversial to be concerned about rising crime in our country. and it's not controversial to defend our history, our heritage and our. culture. let me tell you this, friends, our our great country is a gift to the world. look, it really is . to the world. look, it really is. look at the gifts we've given to the world. the industrial revolution. steam engines, mining mills, shipbuilding. did you know that the uk has invented 51% of all the inventions in the world over the past thousand years ? incredible . past thousand years? incredible. we are the greatest country in the world when it comes to

inventions. yet we cannot invent anything to stop the small boats . anything to stop the small boats. look at the sports that we've given to the world football, cricket, rugby, golf, tennis , cricket, rugby, golf, tennis, hockey, badminton, squash, table tennis , boxing, snooker, the tennis, boxing, snooker, the list goes on and on. look at culture, d.h. list goes on and on. look at culture, dh. lawrence, wordsworth, keats, byron , wordsworth, keats, byron, shakespeare, dickens, tolkien , shakespeare, dickens, tolkien, orwell, jane austen, ian fleming, c.s. orwell, jane austen, ian fleming, cs. lewis , george fleming, cs. lewis, george eliot and the greatest cultural hero of our time, jim davidson. where is he ? where are you, jim? where is he? where are you, jim? >> where is he ? dodi >> where is he? dodi. >> where is he? dodi. >> they didn't know about that . >> they didn't know about that. just look how great we are as a

nation. yet parliament seems determined to give all, give all that away, and apologise for our past. now my message is simple. we are a great country. and if you do not like our history, our heritage, our culture, then clear . clear. off. is that plain speaking enough for you? is that. yeah yeah yeah yeah. >> . oh okay. >>. oh okay. >>. oh okay. >> a bit more. let's be honest. friends we have made mistakes in the past, and when we make mistakes, we must apologise. and we've been responsible for some awful things. things like the .

awful things. things like the. bbc. you know, just a few weeks back, they sent me a reminder for my tv licence and some of you may have seen that i ripped it up on online and hey, yeah , it up on online and hey, yeah, listen . guess what? they've sent listen. guess what? they've sent me another . now, what do you me another. now, what do you think we should do with this ? think we should do with this? made up ? made up? friends, we have a real battle on our hands to save our great country. you know, this , but country. you know, this, but it's you, the people's army. thatis it's you, the people's army. that is our last defence.

because parliament has given up on us. we've got five mps now, and i'm proud to be one of them. and our membership is growing every single day . next year every single day. next year we're going to win hundreds of seats. council seats across the country . that's a fact . but we country. that's a fact. but we must take this fight to parliament so we can take back control of our country and win the 2029 general election and put nigel in number 10. friends, we can do this. but we can only do it if we stand strong. the establishment absolutely hates us. they want us gone, but we're going nowhere . they will not

going nowhere. they will not allow us on the select committees, as they do not like scrutiny. and they do not want us on gb news either. they are trying to cancel us, but we have 4.1 million people in the people's army and it's growing every single day . they said every single day. they said the mainstream parties are scared of us and so they should be because we're coming for them at every single ballot box in the country . single ballot box in the country. friends stay strong , keep the friends stay strong, keep the faith, spread the word and together we will get our country back. thank you . back. thank you. >> and that was lee anderson there, giving what can only be described as a very off the cuff, very colourful and one of

a kind speech at the reform party conference in birmingham, nothing was off limits. i'm joined in the studio by denis macshane. denis, you know , it's macshane. denis, you know, it's fair to say politically you probably have next to nothing in common with lee anderson. you were laughing away heartily throughout that he was making some comments that were has to be said, very, very funny. he started off by saying, i want my country back. he came on to here we go, here we go. it's like a football crowd. they're certainly playing to a raucous atmosphere. he was lambasting six foot five drag queens . he six foot five drag queens. he celebrated british culture. he said if you don't like our country , clear off. he was country, clear off. he was lambasting, transgenderism back in the day. he said you'd get a council house easier. that's changed now. let net zero. what a load of rubbish. that is a load of lunatics. they are sadiq khan. he mentioned he got a big boo . the pantomime villain. he boo. the pantomime villain. he said i'll never apologise to that man. it was a one of a kind speech that you wouldn't get from any other politician. what do you make of it? >> oh, i heard lots of speeches like that.

>> when the labour party and the trade union movement were full of lee anderson's of working class people, but people who believe in social justice and in combating racism, and they are marvellous. we've lost them all. all the politicians now are university graduates of one sort or another. i mean, have you ever stayed awake during a robert jenrick speech or a james cleverly speech? i don't want to talk about my dear colleagues in laboun talk about my dear colleagues in labour. so it was great. it wasn't quite that spontaneous. i know when a speech has been written and has been read off autocue, the timing was good and lee has got great, great comic timing. so i more of it, more of it . i actually if i was nigel it. i actually if i was nigel farage i would not have put him on first because nigel you know, he can do a joke or two, but compared to lee, he doesn't really set the audiences on fire. so let's see what nigel's going to do to follow up. >> you did blanch a bit when he was talking about net zero and all the rubbish that is. it's a load of lunatics. and we got a little bit of richard tice who's

just appeared on the stage. we'll have a quick listen to mr tice, deputy leader of the reform party. here we go. >> and firstly, i just want to reiterate the thanks to all of you being here. it's incredible the time, the money, the commitment that you give . and commitment that you give. and we've achieved and we are achieving something absolutely extraordinary in my own constituency that no one forecast could be won. i overturned the biggest ever conservative majority of 25,500 people, and that . and that was people, and that. and that was with your help with the constituents help, but also in particular the help of my brilliant team who are here today, led by the amazing ryan and co. please give them a round of applause . now . it's quite a of applause. now. it's quite a moment . it's quite a moment. moment. it's quite a moment. arriving in the house of commons, being led by some might

call him our chief whip, but the truth is the great lee anderson. wasn't he good earlier? my word. wow ali. he's a brilliant tour guide. absolutely brilliant. the houses of parliament, big place. he said don't worry , lads, he said don't worry, lads, there's only three important places . the chamber , the bar and places. the chamber, the bar and that's richard tice, the deputy leader , just warming up the leader, just warming up the crowd as he does . crowd as he does. >> the headline speaker is nigel farage due to be on at 4:00? obviously everyone's enjoying their moment, dennis, so we're kind of running slightly behind schedule. this is completely normal. so nigel farage setting himself up as a potential future prime minister, as we said before, he's now sacrificed the shares in the party trying to make the party more democratic, making his pitch. you heard his warm up act there, lee anderson. do you think nigel farage has the capabilities criticising the

labour party? labour party have had a terrible start in terms of pubuc had a terrible start in terms of public opinion? certainly keir starmer has . public opinion? certainly keir starmer has. is the opportunity there in british for politics a party like reform to get into number 10? or are the odds simply stacked against them? not in terms of the vote, but also the political system? first past the political system? first past the post? >> it is difficult. i'll be very honest and that's why nigel farage does seem to be in bed with the liberal democrats on proportional representation. it's our system that we've had for a couple of hundred years. first past the post, rooted in the constituency. i don't know if he's yet opened an office in clacton to serve the people or not, because he's always been a sort of superstar floating above bonng sort of superstar floating above boring politics. he comes in to do great dramatic interventions now and then , but politics is now and then, but politics is actually a 24 over seven job and you have to handle so many different problems. i was very amused by lee anderson saying people can't get council houses now. of course they can't leave

because your heroine, margaret thatcher, sold them all off and stopped councils building them all. >> they're going full of asylum seekers and people coming from abroad. look, thank you, denis macshane for your input. after the break, we'll be going back to the reform party conference. nigel farage due to give the

soon. well. a very good afternoon to you. it's 4 pm. on friday. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. and all across the uk. now, the big question today is this. can nigel farage be our next prime minister? will the reform party. certainly think so. and on today's show we'll be live from their party conference shortly in birmingham. any moment now, we'll hear from the man himself, reform party leader nigel farage, on stage at present is richard tice . next up, richard tice. next up, barristers have described former harrods owner mohamed al fayed a monster , comparing him to jimmy

monster, comparing him to jimmy savile, as five women claim they were raped by al fayed will speak to their lawyer, gloria allred, who tirelessly fought for justice for survivors abused by jailed hollywood predator harvey weinstein. she'll join me next. and so . next. and so. what's the show? so today is all about the reform party conference happening live as we speak now in birmingham. richard tice, the deputy leader is on the stage, expected soon after that is nigel farage. the reform party leader, making his pitch as the party faithful say, to be the next prime minister of the united kingdom, is that is that feat possible? there's a mountain to climb for sure. five mps from 4 million votes, as opposed to 72 mps for less votes than that by the liberal

democrats. the party needs to get organised, needs to get democratic, but it has a full house there. we've been live throughout the show so far, lee anderson gave a one off, one off speech where he criticised everyone from sadiq khan to zero net lunatics to six foot five drag queens doing stories to people, to kids in classrooms . people, to kids in classrooms. they broke the mould before they got lee anderson on stage , got lee anderson on stage, that's for sure. he got a bit of a standing ovation when he came on. here we go, here we go like a football crowd. it's a very, very lively atmosphere. and across back there soon. get in touch, use your way gbnews.com/yoursay as your headlines. here's mark. gbnews.com/yoursay as your headlines. here's mark . white. headlines. here's mark. white. >> good afternoon. the latest headunes >> good afternoon. the latest headlines from the gb news centre, one of mohamed al fayed's alleged victims has said the billionaire businessman was highly manipulative. a london based news conference held the

former harrods owner , described former harrods owner, described as a monster enabled by a system that pervaded the business. one lawyer said the case combined some of the most horrific elements of the jimmy savile, jeffrey epstein and harvey weinstein abuse scandals . weinstein abuse scandals. >> these incidents lasted seconds, but the fear instilled left me paralysed . al fayed left me paralysed. al fayed brushed off these moments like they had never happened. but i was always reminded not to mention them to anyone he would know if i did . know if i did. >> the israeli military has said the hezbollah terror group has fired more than 140 rockets into northern israel today. the barrage started a number of fires when some rockets landed in open areas of the israeli countryside. in response, israeli forces have targeted hezbollah launch sites across southern lebanon and within the

last couple of hours, warplanes also bombed a hezbollah stronghold in the lebanese caphal stronghold in the lebanese capital, beirut. the foreign secretary is urging british nationals in lebanon to leave while they can. reform mp lee anderson has insisted he will never apologise to sadiq khan for controversial comments he made about the london mayor. mr anderson was suspended as a conservative mp when he claimed on gb news that mr khan was under the control of islamists. he later defected, of course, to reform uk and today he told the party's conference he'll never say sorry . say sorry. >> in my opinion, he has given our capital city away and he should be thoroughly ashamed of himself. i was told at the time that i must apologise to labour's mayor in london. now let me tell you, in our conference, i will never apologise to that man. let's look at his track record.

overall . crime up by 21%. overall. crime up by 21%. violent crime 35%. homicides 5%. knife crime 54%. sexual offences 51%. it should be him who's apologising to the people of london. >> the conservative leadership candidate, robert jenrick, has warned that english identity is under threat. he claims the ties that bind the nation are beginning to fray due to mass immigration and woke culture. mr jenrick said immigration has had a clear impact on the uk's culture, customs and cohesion. he also suggested it was a contributing factor to this summer's riots. contributing factor to this summer's riots . a campaigner summer's riots. a campaigner whose niece was killed by her ex—partner despite calling the police multiple times, says domestic violence victims need to be heard the first time they dial 999. raneem oudeh and her

sister were murdered by masood's ex—partner in 2018. her aunt, nur norris, says those calling the police for help need to be given the opportunity to be saved. some police forces will start embedding domestic abuse specialists in their 999 control rooms early next year. the home secretary, yvette cooper, has promised things will change. >> victims of domestic abuse need to know that the police will be there for them in an emergency, that didn't happen for raneem oudeh when she lost her life . and that's why we're her life. and that's why we're bringing domestic abuse experts into 999 control rooms like this , into 999 control rooms like this, to make sure that the emergency response is right. to make sure that the emergency response is right . we saw when response is right. we saw when raneem oudeh called 999 four times on the night. she was killed. no one came. we cannot let that happen again. so we'll begin with the first wave. then we want to roll this out right across the country so that domestic abuse victims can know the police will be there for

them when they call for members of staff at a welsh prison have been arrested on suspicion of assault and misconduct in public office. >> south wales police arrested the four, who were all staff at hmp parc in bridgend, following a series of incidents at the prison. the police have not said what the incidents relate to, but 13 inmates are known to have died at the g4's run jail this year. died at the g4's run jail this year . anthony joshua says he's year. anthony joshua says he's ready to take revenge against daniel dubois when the british rivals clash at wembley tomorrow night. joshua admitted he was hurt by his younger opponent dunng hurt by his younger opponent during a sparring session at team gb headquarters in sheffield in 2016. at the time, dubois was just 18 years old and still an amateur, but the power he displayed against the olympic gold medallist that day convinced promoter frank warren

to sign him up as a pro should be a cracking fight. so you're right up to date. now back to martin daubney for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign up to news smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you mark. now all eyes on birmingham for reform uk's conference, which has kicked off with the party insisting that they can win the next general election. nigel farage is set to address the party's annual meeting after lee anderson earlier on, the ashfield mp declared that he wanted his country back and said that the british parliament had abandoned the people of this country. let's cross now live to the auditorium itself. i speak with gb news, political editor chris hope. so, chris, we heard a

barnstorming speech from lee anderson. the sort of speech that nobody could have written. it was very, very colourful, very, very fruity. behind you is richard tice is on. tell us about the atmosphere in the room. the polls were really good.the room. the polls were really good. the polls have already shown. >> yeah, it feels like a revivalist rally. i think. martin. and great to be on with you again on gb news. it feels like the place is packed. i reckon there's 3 or 4000 supporters here, ordinary people taking time out of their daily lives to support reform uk as it as it pushes towards what he thinks can be an attempt to win power, unbelievably, really , power, unbelievably, really, given the number of mps they have at the general election . have at the general election. we've just heard from richard tice, the party's deputy leader . tice, the party's deputy leader. he took aim at ed miliband and criticised him over the absence of the net zero attempts to, to and then to hit net zero and not try and pull out oil and gas from the from under the uk and use that to keep us warm . we use that to keep us warm. we also heard from lee anderson, of

course, he's the party's chief whip. he ripped up his, lice, his bbc licence on stage. that was a moment . his bbc licence on stage. that was a moment. he also took aim at sadiq khan. he was criticised and forced out of the tory party when he called him, said he was controlled by islamists and here's what he had to say. >> in my opinion, he has given our capital city away and he should be thoroughly ashamed of himself . i should be thoroughly ashamed of himself. i was told at the time that i must apologise to labour's mayor in london. now let me tell you in our conference i will never apologise to that man. let's look at his track record. overall crime up by 21%. violent crime 35%. homicides 5%. knife crime 35%. homicides 5%. knife crime 54%. sexual offences 51%. it should be him. who's apologising to the people of london. >> they have a defiant , a >> they have a defiant, a defiant lee. and they're saying he would not apologise to sadiq

khan for those remarks which forced him out of the tory party as an mp earlier this year. earlier, he criticised the police for dancing the macarena . police for dancing the macarena. he said he talked about vegans and dangerous jesus sandals. it was a tour de force from lee anderson. i think, which went down very well here in the hall, i mean, questions for lee anderson. he talked about he didn't like our culture. he said, get out . but the problem said, get out. but the problem that you might argue is what is the culture? he's talking about? because we are a country of many different cultures. so he remarks there, that went down well in the hall, but how they would transfer into any, anywhere near a policy for this party as it tries to approach power, is a different question altogether, ladies and gentlemen, there was one comment he made about in the last 1000 years, more than 50% of the inventions in the entire world have been made by brits . have been made by brits. >> but we can't invent anything to stop the boats, he said. and then he said, idiot politicians. he kept referring to politicians as idiots or lunatics, you know,

very combative language . idiot very combative language. idiot politicians, the lot of them who tell us that mass immigration makes us better. he was very critical of trans theory in schools, ridiculing six foot five drag queens, reading stories to kids. he was ridiculing, importing wood from america to burn in british power stations. but we can't dig our own coal. and certainly within that arena, playing to a home crowd, it went down very, very well. the big question is, will people criticise him from the outside for world what he said is very critical of the bbc, very critical of net zero and no holds barred speech. does he care about that? and does the crowd there care? the reform voters care about their people getting criticised violent criminals from jail early ? criminals from jail early? >> i don't think so. i think the best, best attack on the government, i think, was over the issue of the drax power station. he was saying, we're burning wood from trees felled

in america, sent over here in diesel guzzling ships and then burned. and that somehow is good for net zero when we're not pulling out coal from underneath the uk and not and not allowing any more licences to be granted for oil and gas platforms in the nonh for oil and gas platforms in the north sea, he said. why is this happening? and that got the biggest applause. but i think the problem maybe a problem he's got when he tries to take this message away from this hall, which loves every word he says when he tries to say this isn't our culture, he says, i want my country back. well which country is he talking about? i mean, i think that's a problem. you can say these things in a hall and it might get a cheer, but making that into government policy is a different matter altogether. i think certainly on stopping the stopping the small boats. why can't we invent something to stop them is something which many would have been cheering in the hall. but the problem is you come in, you encounter human rights laws and the like, and thatis rights laws and the like, and that is a problem that this government has faced. this party is facing. if he tries to get anywhere near power. now, new tory leadership hopeful and the party chairman, zia yusuf, is speaking behind you as we speak,

>> chris hope lee anderson also admitted that he said , friends, admitted that he said, friends, we have a real battle on our hands. you the people's army, are required. he went on to say the establishment absolutely hates us, but we're going nowhere. the big question is, can the atmosphere in that room, can the atmosphere in that room, can the atmosphere in that room, can the supporters in that room be translated into a credible ground army that's going to go out there? there's a long, long battle to get council seats, let alone winning the next general election. can the oxygen in that amphitheatre be translated into action on the ground? it's going to be credible enough to win as a result of successive. >> well, that is a huge question. i mean, martin, you were there at those brexit party rallies which nigel farage did. he was like a revivalist preacher high fiving an enthusiastic congregation. this party for me is one which has had a sugar rush from that july election win when they won five mps, but they are really a very, very new party. one still in its short pants, barely out of nappies. they've got to try and

grow up into full adulthood. in just four years. we'll be heanng just four years. we'll be hearing from nigel farage very shortly. the guy behind us, zia yusuf, he's the party chairman. he has reformed the party's rule book, the constitution. so it means that the party members have a much greater say in how it's run. it's no longer a party controlled by nigel farage will be a party where members can vote to have a vote of no confidence in the leader, making it far more democratic, far more like labour and the tory parties. that's the basic plumbing this party needs to do to make sure it can happen. but whether they can go any further is definitely a very big question. but chris, thank you very much for your insight. >> we'll cross we'll cross back to you shortly for more reaction, especially after that nigel farage speech. and for more reaction. i'm joined now by the former leader of the liberal democrat party, sir vince cable. sir vince cable, welcome to the show. always a pleasure to have your company. so i don't know how much of the speeches you've overheard so far. it's certainly unorthodox by normal political standards. lee anderson spoke a

short while ago. he was very critical of net zero. he called it lunacy. he called people who support it lunatics. he was saying, what a load of rubbish it is, criticising people in sandals , vegans mixing the sandals, vegans mixing the language of a politician with the language of a working man's club. what's your take on this ? club. what's your take on this? translating into actual political action, the liberal democrats got less votes than the reform party at the last election, and yet they returned 72 seats. how big a mountain do you think the reform party has to climb ? to climb? >> well, a massive one, and i don't think it will climb that mountain by adopting that kind of language and approach . i of language and approach. i mean, i got to know lee anderson quite well in the last parliament. >> he's a good guy to, you know, have a chat with. i quite liked him. but you know, the simple point is that sadiq khan in london is a muslim, but he's not an islamist and a big politician

would know how to step back from that kind of personal confrontation. and as for net zero, i mean, there is a very wide acceptance that global warming is a problem and it has to be dealt with by a coordinated policies which net zero represents. and we know there is a fringe on the right of politics which disputes it. but if the reform party wants to expand its reach beyond its its current membership, it's going to have to recognise that, you know, big issues of that kind. i mean, the coal mines were not closed down by, you know, liberal minded people , margaret liberal minded people, margaret thatcher, for different reasons . thatcher, for different reasons. she was also the first politician, really to embrace and understand global warming and understand global warming and the need for action on it. and, you know, she is a major cult figure on the right of british politics. and to go way beyond that, i don't think there's much of a market for it,

frankly , bert. frankly, bert. >> and there are definitely vacuums politically, particularly around immigration. in the conservative party. we have robert jenrick today saying british culture, particularly engush british culture, particularly english culture, is being changed forever because of mass , changed forever because of mass, uncontrolled, uncontrolled immigration. yet the conservative party, well, they are in power for 14 years. they perhaps could have done something about it then and they didn't. and that has created the opportunity for reform. and as far as net zero goes, the push towards making people as they perceive oftentimes to be cold or to be poorer because they're paying or to be poorer because they're paying more for their energy, there's no energy sovereignty again, that has created an opportunity for a party like reform. so do you think that liberal democrats and the conservatives and the labour party actually have created this monster ? monster? >> well, if people are worried about energy sovereignty and self—sufficiency and, you know, there is an argument for that, i'm personally not in that space. but i understand the

argument . you can have argument. you can have self—sufficiency in energy in the uk by developing the nuclear sector, which we're doing, and the renewable sector, and having a backup of gas, which which we already do . so, you know, you already do. so, you know, you don't need to pursue extreme policies to have a policy of energy security. and as for mass immigration, i mean, i'm a little older than you, but i remember the days of enoch powell. people were going on and on about how mass immigration was changing british society from the worst. what has happenedis from the worst. what has happened is that british society has actually become a lot more tolerant and a lot more accepting, and have seen the positive side of diversity. i mean, i live in a diverse capital city in london. i think we're much the better for it. so l, we're much the better for it. so i, you know, there is a genuine concern about unauthorised immigration. you know, the small boats, they're not big numbers , boats, they're not big numbers, but the fact that it suggests a lack of control or a lack of ability to manage the problem,

but i don't think mass immigration as a theme is going to get the reform party into power . power. >> it's funny you mentioned that that diversity has made us stronger. it's made us better. lee anderson directly addressed that point in his speech. he said, idiots, politicians who say things like that, who say that mass immigration has made us better. he he rolled out the fact that in the 1980s in ashfield, it was very, very easy to get a council house. you would get a choice of three council houses. now there's a waiting list of 7000, as for a diverse london, he went through a whole range of statistics about soaring knife crime, soaring violent crime, soaring rape, sexual offences. and that is unbelievable. that is irredeemably true. you know, we are going through a crime epidemic across britain . you're epidemic across britain. you're not conquer the vince cable that the immigration experiment

hasn't always been totally positive but not always . positive but not always. >> indeed, there are patches where integration has not gone well, but it's a long time since i was in ashfield. i've been there a few times and i do actually agree. we need lots more council houses, but unless ashfield has changed radically in the last few months, nobody could describe its problems to massive immigration. it's a totally different set of issues. it's a former industrial mining city which has declined. it's part of left behind britain. and there's a really a really big challenge. it's nothing to do with immigration. not in ashfield, of course. london is much more diverse. i rather question your numbers about crime waves and many parts of the country. crime levels are very, very low levels and in any event, there is no correlation between immigration and crime . between immigration and crime. they're two totally different problems. >> is that true? and we don't know. i mean, the fact of the

matter is we don't know that because we don't get the data on that nigel farage we can just see coming on our screen. he's getting ready to take the stage to vince cable. but we've we've seen, for example, where the crime data is available in countries like denmark. then there is a clear correlation between certain nations and soaring crime. but we don't get that crime data in britain. we're not allowed it . we're not allowed it. >> well, there are two sets of crime data as you know. there is household surveys and the police figures, and they don't always produce the same answers, which is why people misinterpret them. there's plenty of data , and there's plenty of data, and there are certain kinds of crime which are endemic and are a problem. and burglary is one of them. and i worry about police levels and the need we have properly funded and expanded police forces. i'm all behind that. police forces. i'm all behind that . but police forces. i'm all behind that. but whipping up a scare around crime doesn't reflect the reality on the ground . reality on the ground. >> okay, vince. okay, we've got we've got nigel farage there . we've got nigel farage there. live pictures from birmingham at the reform conference he's waiting to take to the stage.

but one line i'd like to put to you quickly before nigel does take the stage from lee anderson. he said the establishment absolutely hates us, hates the reform party. is that true? >> well, absolutely not. i enjoy debating with nigel farage and lee anderson. i've been up for that for the last few years. i happily come on to gb news as individuals . i find them individuals. i find them likeable and good company. there's certainly no hatred, but you know, we have different views and the mainstream parties are scared of us. >> lee anderson said. and they should be because we are coming for them. do you think, realistically that reform can take to downing street? their vision is bold , their ambition vision is bold, their ambition is clear. is that feasible in your mind, or do you think the system is simply stacked against insurgent parties into greater manner ? manner? >> i think downing street is way beyond them, but i don't doubt that they're going to make considerable inroads into labour areas. some of the labour government hasn't got off to a great start. they've made unforced errors like the winter fuel allowance. they're going to

lose support. some of it will come to us, some of it will go to reform. i think in many ways we're not actually competing much with reform. we're in a different political market, but nonetheless we both have a chance to benefit from the missteps of the labour government . government. >> and do you think the reform party could learn from the liberal democrats? and as far as the liberal democrats returned for, well, quite a lot fewer votes than reform, but considerably more seats because of course, you know where your vote is and you go for your voters in a more clear way. the reform party's approach seems to be more blunderbuss. they were chucking the message out there without knowing where their votes were, because they didn't have that data. but do you think next time round, reform will be a much more finely tuned proposition? they have a set of data from this general election. they know where their votes are, and in that respect they surely will pick up more seats. >> well, i noticed richard tice praising the lib dems for our campaigning techniques, but it requires more than campaigning techniques . i mean, what we did

techniques. i mean, what we did and the reason why the lib dems have survived in the bad years was we have a kind of guerrilla army, and it's been built up of people in local government who provided a solid base . i mean, provided a solid base. i mean, they haven't actually won seats, they've run councils, run them. well, we've got something to fall back on and it takes years, decades, actually , to build up decades, actually, to build up that kind of resilience. i don't doubt that reform is going to make progress, but it's not going to be done in one leap. they seem to imagine . they seem to imagine. >> and, sir vince, can i ask you quickly about the honeymoon penod quickly about the honeymoon period or lack of that? sir keir starmer has had the free gear scandal. the sue gray scandal, the suits, the specs, the freebies. do you think all of thatis freebies. do you think all of that is creating an opportunity for reform? because there's a feeling that we are promised change.in feeling that we are promised change. in actual fact, we seem to have got another set of spivs. >> well, it's creating opportunities for them and indeed for us, and it would be for the conservatives if they weren't concerned with this sort

of inward looking leadership policy. but, you know, they've got off to a very bad start , got off to a very bad start, which is unfortunate. and i think the winter fuel allowance was a particularly bad own goal. they didn't need to do it. this minimal amount of revenue. and they've antagonised a lot of people and it's not serious scandal, but the sort of whiff of people helping themselves to freebies. it's not it's not a good signal. so i think unless starmer gets a grip on this in the next couple of weeks at his party conference, they're going to be in serious trouble. >> and sir vince again, live pictures here. nigel farage just waiting to go on stage there at the reform party conference in birmingham. but ahead of that, can i just pick your brains as a former party leader, sir keir starmer made this very conscious decision on the winter fuel allowance, and we hear today that there's a £10 billion gift, in the form of bank, loans being eased by the bank of england. so

there is fiscal leeway for the labour party to perhaps do a u—turn on that. do you think they should do a u—turn on the winter fuel allowance? 10 million pensioners being made colder and poorer? or do you think sir keir starmer, ever the lawyer, black and white, here to stick with it? >> of course they should do a u—turn . i mean, the sensible u—turn. i mean, the sensible thing to have done and they could have done this in the budget, would have simply brought them to fuel allowance within the tax system and the way they pitched them on high earners. and i'm one of them, are reasonably prosperous pensioners that would have had to pay a bit more. the vast majority of pensioners would have been protected and hardly anybody would have noticed. i mean, it was just a very clumsy, badly judged move, and they've certainly got to reverse it. >> and sir vince, as i still have you and nigel is about to go on, i need to ask you about brexit. it's an issue that won't go away at the liberal democrat party conference earlier this week, sir ed davey, very clear,

very open about the fact that it's the liberal democrats plan to return to the european union to return to the european union to rejoin at some point, wants immediate open borders with all of the under 30s across the european bloc to rejoin the single market. this is in direct contravention of what the brexit referendum taught us. the liberal democrats never listened to the democratic vote of the masses . masses. >> that's complete nonsense. the mobility scheme, which you're talking about, the youth mobility scheme, is something i spoke on at conference. it's limited in time. it does not involve free movements. it doesn't involve dependence. it's a means by which young people, british young people and european people can have greater mobility for work, for education, to pay taxes, to pay tuition fees. it's all gain for us. it's not freedom of movement in the sense that that was originally enshrined in the

single market certainly wouldn't want to reconnect with europe. we're not talking about going back into the european union. it's not feasible. the european union doesn't want britain anyway. at this point in time, ten years on, we may be in a different situation. >> he is a gabe. so do you think, though the big question is we're just waiting for nigel farage to take to the stage the music is going to blare out. the lights are going to flash any time soon. warning flashing images are about to come your way. but sir vince cable, do you think the labour party agrees with the liberal democrats secret? they want to rejoin to now the labour party has become a virtually aligned with with the brexiteers. >> i mean, i thought actually starmer was very, very weak when he went to germany. the germans made this very modest proposal for youth mobility and also for the revival of the erasmus scheme to help young people, and he threw it back in their face. i mean, it was insulting. it was very badly judged politics. it's

lost some of the friends that we still have in europe. so, i mean, the labour party are not going to do anything about the european union. the lib dems would do to rebuild bridges, i'm afraid that if you're thinking of starmer in his old remainer guise. i mean, he's long since left that behind. would you by. >> okay. well, it looks like nigel farage is now heading towards that stage. looks like they're building up towards it. so, vince cable, you've made a lot of these big speeches before. will the butterflies be in your stomach now as you took to the took to the arena to say you're not laughing. >> yes, yes . clearly i will >> yes, yes. clearly i will listen with real interest. he's a he's a brilliant speaker. good. strong personal, political personality. but what he says will be important because it will be important because it will indicate whether he's trying to reach out to a broader audience than the rather cult group that he's got at the moment. he has the potential to enlarge his base, and this speech will help determine whether he's going to do that.

the massive result for nigel farage and may i ask you, sir, vince cable, how does it feel being a kind of warm up act, almost a ringmaster for nigel farage about to take in. >> this is a turnip for the books, isn't it, sir vince? >> well, i think i'm past the stage of competing with him, but no, i'm interested to hear what he has to say. and i guess vince cable , thank you very much. cable, thank you very much. >> here comes nigel farage. now he's taken to the stage to vince cable. thank you very, very much for all of your input. cable. thank you very, very much for all of your input . let's go for all of your input. let's go now, straight live to the arena in birmingham. there's nigel farage getting a standing ovation. as you'd expect. that's his home crowd being walked up to the stage. the music is pumping out, anybody who's been to a reform conference before or a brexit party conference will be familiar with the science clapping , cheering. bit of clapping, cheering. bit of a hero's welcome. then again, it is a home venue for him. this is very much a home audience. this

is preaching to the converted. we were told by chris brown about 4000 people in this arena. it's sold out, as you can see. let's just soak up some of the noise . singing in previous noise. singing in previous occasions of course, there have been sirens. there have been air raid sirens , music pumping out, raid sirens, music pumping out, and interestingly, one massive rally in the brexit party time back in 2019 of that fateful summer in the nick at birmingham, the music pumps out, i did a video of nigel getting on stage. i at the time was a brexit party mep. i put it out on social media, had 11 million hits and the artist complained because they didn't want the music to be associated with the brexit party. we get that all the time in politics. the same with donald trump and his nigel farage now approaching the stage , farage now approaching the stage, taking the stairs up onto that stage. that's stuart. the photographer follows him all

around the world. here's nigel farage taking to the stage in birmingham. >> party leader. the flares go off cue to give his pitch to be the next prime minister of the united kingdom. >> here's nigel farage. >> here's nigel farage. >> thank you very much. do you like that ? oh my god, this is like that? oh my god, this is bad for . the. bad for. the. >> mbappe and matthew steph takyi. >> mbappe and matthew steph takyi . olivia pratt—korbel me. takyi. olivia pratt—korbel me. so i just want to make a little controversy . at the top of me. controversy. at the top of me. so it's amazing. thank you. thank you. a little controversy with . some. wow with. some. wow >> now just, just give me

second. >> just give me a second. thank you. do you like him ? very you. do you like him? very expensive . expensive. >> but guess what? i bought them myself. how about that ? wow myself. how about that? wow i got to tell you, the energy, the optimism, the enthusiasm that we've got in this room is not something that could be replicated by any other political party in this country . political party in this country. and indeed . i wonder whether and indeed. i wonder whether there's ever been . but there's there's ever been. but there's ever been a party conference in this country with this level of energy and fun . thank you so, so

energy and fun. thank you so, so much. all of you, for coming along and supporting us. >> so it was the middle of may, end of may this year , and my end of may this year, and my life was going pretty well . i life was going pretty well. i just had a big 60th birthday. >> i mean, not bad health, which is down to clean living . great is down to clean living. great job. four nights a week @gbnews, which i was loving .just being which i was loving. just being voted news presenter of the year for the second year in a row. and i had not one, but two grandchildren on the way . the

grandchildren on the way. the first of whom i'm delighted to say was born on june the 23rd brexit day. how about that ? so brexit day. how about that? so i was doing well, making money, no pressure, no stress , no abuse pressure, no stress, no abuse from the press . life couldn't from the press. life couldn't have been better . and then rishi have been better. and then rishi sunak calls a snap general election. >> and i think to myself, given the short time period, is there anything i can do? >> and actually would i want to do it? would i want to give up a really comfortable, easy life and one that involves weekends off? would i want to give it up and would it be possible in such and would it be possible in such a short time frame? well i thought to myself, we've just had 14 years of conservative

government, and the last few years since boris won in 2019 has been one of a complete breach of trust with the british pubuc breach of trust with the british public on a truly historic scale . public on a truly historic scale. >> and i felt i was upset about it for the damage it does to democracy, but also upset about it because don't forget, i stood aside in that 2019 general election because we wanted to get brexit over the line. >> after all those years of agony and struggle and i thought, well, we have left, but have we taken back control of our borders? >> have we given our five and a half to 6 million men and women running their own businesses ? running their own businesses? >> have we deregulated and made their lives easier and better ? their lives easier and better? in fact, at almost every level we've been betrayed. and then i thought about what was happening on our streets , the rise of

on our streets, the rise of knife crime, the rise of gun crime, the fear of people even in the smartest parts of to london go out for a drink or dinner, and for a man to wear a watch, or a woman to wear jewellery. i thought about what mass, uncontrolled immigration on a scale the likes of which we'd never seen, had done to divide our communities. i looked at the fact that, frankly, without massive public borrowing, there would have been no growth in our economy for year after year after year. an nhs in which you can't get a gp appointment , nhs in which you can't get a gp appointment, roads that are clogged beyond comprehension. and frankly, i thought of myself. britain is broken . and myself. britain is broken. and then i couldn't help it. well,

if britain is broken, then logically britain needs reform . logically britain needs reform. so i was really in a terrible quandary as to what to do , quandary as to what to do, genuinely. and then i went down to dover for a day. i went and joined richard up in skegness. lee, in his constituency of ashfield and i began to have people in the street walking up to me , speaking to me as if to me, speaking to me as if almost i was letting them down by not giving up my lovely life . by not giving up my lovely life. anyway, in the end i thought whatever obstacles, the fact we've only got a few weeks, the fact that 40% of the population don't yet know who reform even is , i thought despite all of is, i thought despite all of that , actually there are two that, actually there are two achievable goals in those four

weeks and three days. the first clear, achievable goal was to get millions of votes in a second. the second knowing, as i do from bitter experience , how do from bitter experience, how difficult the first past the post system is. but i believe that we could establish a beachhead in parliament by getting a few people elected. and i'm proud to say that in the early hours of the 5th of july, both of those objectives were realised . and that is realised. and that is. >> and all that is , it's just >> and all that is, it's just the first big step on what i now believe. >> if you're with me , if you >> if you're with me, if you support me , if you're prepared support me, if you're prepared to help me , well, then it will

to help me, well, then it will become the first big step on what i believe can be a truly astonishing, historic journey that can do something to do our country good, to honour those that have gone before us, and to give our children and grandchildren a better future. it's the first step. now, we could have done better, we could have done better. but at that stage of the game, and this is absolutely not knocking richard and what he did to keep this thing alive for all those years. we weren't big enough . give we weren't big enough. give richard a round of applause. go . richard a round of applause. go. on. we just at that stage of our development we weren't big enough wealthy enough, professional enough to vet

general election candidates properly. and we were let down that amateurism let us down. we could have won a lot more votes. and there are lessons that we need to learn from that. so as i stood after the counting clacton in those early hours of july the 5th, i said that yes, of course i would represent the constituency, the constituents in parliament. but i had a job and my job was to professionalise and democratise reform uk. that was the solemn promise and pledge that i made to you. the members . on to you. the members. on professionalisation , we've made professionalisation, we've made some changes. richard is now my deputy leader, who also sits in parliament and subs for me as leader. when i am not there. and

that was a good, solid sound appointment. i know you all agree . and then somebody , agree. and then somebody, somebody of exceptional talent who i'd met over a decade ago reappeared during the campaign on the scene. he's a young man in his mid to late 30s who's done rather well in life, who is really rather patriotic, who just gave a brilliant speech to this conference. and i really think having zia as our chairman has already made a massive difference to our level of professionalisation . around professionalisation. around them, around them are a small but very professional team. just look at what they've put on in this conference. isn't it truly incredible? isn't it?

beautifully done . and we're beautifully done. and we're recruiting. we're recruiting right now to get full time regional managers and regional organisers. so i feel that my promise to professionalise the party is now on track. i also promise you that in future we will be vetting candidates rigorously at all levels. i promise you that . we haven't got promise you that. we haven't got time. we haven't got room for a few extremists to wreck the work of a party that now has 80,000 members, and rising by hundreds every single day . amazing but every single day. amazing but it's on the democratisation of the party, where perhaps i've been the most criticised. although, having said that, i'm quite used to being criticised for virtually everything . any

for virtually everything. any major terrible event that happensin major terrible event that happens in the country is clearly my fault . lucky i don't clearly my fault. lucky i don't care. isn't it really ? they can care. isn't it really? they can write what they like. i don't care because i know what i believe . in. now i set this up believe. in. now i set this up as a limited company , guaranteed as a limited company, guaranteed by shares , and i owned 60% of by shares, and i owned 60% of the shares . now i could make the shares. now i could make a joke and say that it led to streamlined decision making , but streamlined decision making, but i did it for two reasons one, we had no time , no time to get had no time, no time to get established, and it needed somebody of experience to make decisions right or wrong. and that structure allowed me to do

that. but secondly, i did it because new or nascent political parties are vulnerable to being by extremist groups and bad actors and all the while, i had control of it. that could never happen. control of it. that could never happen . that could never happen . happen. that could never happen. because we don't want extremists. we don't want bigots. we don't want people who think that way because we represent the silent, decent majority of this great country that we live . in. but the time that we live. in. but the time has come. the infant, the reform uk was has been growing up. we had the teenage tantrums, which were those that caused us harm

in the general election, but we're now at a different point. the party is an adult and this weekend , this weekend is when weekend, this weekend is when reform uk comes of age . we come reform uk comes of age. we come of age . and so i've got to make of age. and so i've got to make and i want to make the necessary adjustments . there will be adjustments. there will be before you tomorrow. well you've had it already on email. there'll be a vote tomorrow morning on a constitution for the party. we changed the structure of the party. no longer will it be a company guaranteed by shares, but a company guaranteed limited by guarantee . it'll be a non—profit guarantee. it'll be a non—profit making organisation . and i will making organisation. and i will not be the shareholder . making organisation. and i will not be the shareholder. in making organisation. and i will not be the shareholder . in fact, not be the shareholder. in fact, do you know who's going to be the shareholder of reform uk? you, the members will own this

party. you will own this party, not me . and we will have a board not me. and we will have a board to manage the party with significant elected representation from the members . representation from the members. and that board will be there to safeguard, to safeguard how we're operating, to prevent entryism . we wouldn't want entryism. we wouldn't want a corbyn style takeover, would we, of our party as labour suffered a few years ago . but the real a few years ago. but the real story of this conference and of the plan for the future is not the plan for the future is not the share structure. it's not the share structure. it's not the management board , it's this the management board, it's this we have already set up and we are in process of setting up right now across the country. and bear in mind, we've done this in two months, 266

constituency associations. that is an incredibly fast move . but is an incredibly fast move. but we need we need those branch associations in literally every constituency in the land. i went up in the campaign to sunderland to do a public event. it was organised at 48 hours notice and a thousand people arrived. it was incredible and we were there in sunderland where they don't generally like people from newcastle , but we had sirjohn newcastle, but we had sirjohn hall , who was there, who's here hall, who was there, who's here with us today. welcome sirjohn, with us today. welcome sir john, lovely to see you and really good to see you and john said to me and he's he's getting on a bit, but he's done a few things in life and he's rather bright. he said to me, the problem is these thousand people you remember, they'll all go home and not know anybody else. and it's really what ant middleton

was talking about this morning . was talking about this morning. it's about building teams. it's about having unity. and it's through the branches that we get these structures . it's through these structures. it's through these structures. it's through the branches that we raise money. it is through the branches that we find the necessary candidates to fight elections . it necessary candidates to fight elections. it is through necessary candidates to fight elections . it is through the elections. it is through the branches that we actually become part of the local community, not just a national political party. and there is a template for this. now, i never thought i'd say this, but we have to model ourselves on the liberal democrats now that doesn't mean that you'll see me cascading down waterfalls . and i won't down waterfalls. and i won't behave in a way that i think is particularly stupid, even if others think i do. now, the

liberal democrats build branches, the liberal democrats win seats at district , county win seats at district, county and unitary level. the liberal democrats build on that strength. the liberal democrats put literature and leaflets through doors repeatedly in their target areas, and despite their target areas, and despite the fact they haven't got any policies at . all. in fact, the policies at. all. in fact, the whole thing is really rather vacuous, isn't it ? but but they vacuous, isn't it? but but they managed with a vote much lower than ours to win 72 seats in parliament. so not only, not only am i giving you the shares of the party, i'm actually giving you the responsibility for making this a success. whatever we do . whatever i do or whatever we do. whatever i do or richard does or zia does, or the

rest of the mps do whatever our management team do, whatever our social media guys do , that can social media guys do, that can only take us so far. we will not realise our dream unless the people's army of supporters are organised, unless the people's army of supporters are helped to professionalise. unless that people armies fight elections not just as a paper name on the ballot, but with the intention of winning as many seats as we can. this party will succeed or fail in its historic mission . fail in its historic mission. according to what you 4000 good folk are able to do, to and impart over the course of the next few years, it's up to you . next few years, it's up to you. it really is up to you . now. it really is up to you. now. i i'm used to being on impossible political journeys. i was told, nigel, you're wasting your time. you're wasting your breath.

britain will never, ever leave the european union. well it might have taken a long time, but you know what? we well did it against the entirety of the british establishment . and so british establishment. and so when zia comes along as chairman and says, well, it's obvious we're fighting to win the next general election . and people general election. and people think that zia bloke , you know, think that zia bloke, you know, i mean, he might have been right in business, but he's lost his marbles . but in business, but he's lost his marbles. but i in business, but he's lost his marbles . but i don't think marbles. but i don't think there's ever been a time when there's ever been a time when there is greater disenchantment in the two big parties that have dominated our political life for the last 100 years. labour have not won through . love. so the

not won through. love. so the opportunity is there, and that is why we must take the english county council elections next yean county council elections next year, plus areas like doncaster and areas like thurrock where the district councils are up . the district councils are up. our first big test of fire comes on the first thursday in may next year. we're going to need over 2000 candidates. we're going to need you organised behind them, helping them . i behind them, helping them. i genuinely believe if we get next may right, we can produce a result that is truly astonishing. we can get hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people elected to councils to be given positions of responsibility to make us part of the lives of folk living in their communities. the opportunity is enormous. so i ask you, are you going to help us in this historic mission ?

us in this historic mission? thank you . and we'll go on. thank you. and we'll go on. we'll go on the next year. scotland. what a remarkable what a remarkable, well done for coming. thank you. i saw a couple of kilts earlier. i thought they must have come from there. the fact we're neck and neck in the polls with the conservatives in scotland already, the fact that a small team managed to field candidates who didn't embarrass us in every single one of those scottish constituencies, there are opportunities there in wales . opportunities there in wales. wales will elect . wales will wales will elect. wales will elect under the d'hondt proportional representation system. it is, is it not, david? the most astonishing opportunity. and these are all our building blocks. these are all the big hurdles, i guess, that we have to get over. but if

we succeed in 25, we build even bigger in 26 and we keep going. theni bigger in 26 and we keep going. then i promise you, sky is the limit. sky is the limit. then i promise you, sky is the limit. sky is the limit . and you limit. sky is the limit. and you know, have a look at what we're up against. the journalists are obsessed with who is going to be the next conservative leader , the next conservative leader, who is the one i most want? who is the one i least want? well, from what i can work out, one of them is campaigning as a liberal democrat one of them thinks that having worked in mcdonald's for a week makes them working class . a week makes them working class. one of them appears to have had a damascene conversion from being part of the establishment, and the established view to

suddenly saying things that many of us in this room would agree with, but lacks any discernible personality. what so ever, and would lead a party that is split down the middle anyway. and the last of the four has got the most inappropriate surname i've ever come across in my life , ever come across in my life, which indicates an iq rather higher than i actually believe they have . and the truth is , i they have. and the truth is, i don't give a who the next leader of the conservative party is . i of the conservative party is. i really don't . the point about really don't. the point about them? it doesn't matter who leads them. the brand is bust. the brand is broken. people will not go back to them. they've let us down so badly. and as for laboun us down so badly. and as for labour, as for labour, i mean, goodness me. have you ever known a new prime minister get off to

a new prime minister get off to a worse start than keir starmer ? a worse start than keir starmer? it's truly shocking. i mean, the message of things can only get worse is hardly inspiring, is it? and now we're living in a state and you all know it. but they'll denyitin and you all know it. but they'll deny it in westminster until the cows come home. we're living in a state with two tier policing . a state with two tier policing. we're living in a state. we're living in a state with two tier justice. we're living in a state thatis justice. we're living in a state that is led by two tier keir, and we've had enough already. 1 in 4 of those that voted labour in 4 of those that voted labour in the general election on july the 4th, 1 in 4 already say they

are considering they are inclined to vote for reform uk already . we do not need to already. we do not need to change the mind of a single person living in this country, because the silent majority is already with us on the key issues that we care about . we issues that we care about. we can win the next general election just with the numbers of people that agree with our principles, that agree that family, that agree, that community that agree, that country should be the things that absolutely that everybody in british public life campaigns for, because they are the most important things to all of us that live . here. now, what that live. here. now, what we

have to do is to be credible . have to do is to be credible. what we have to do is to be on the ground everywhere. what we have to do is to show that we can bring success after success, after success. if we do those things , we genuinely can. i things, we genuinely can. i never thought i'd say this, but i genuinely believe we can change the future of politics. we can change the future of our country. we can perhaps get back a little bit of pride in what it is to be british. what it is to respect our history, what it is to stand up for our values , what to stand up for our values, what it is , what it is to understand. it is, what it is to understand. the judeo—christian culture underpins everything we are, everything we've ever stood for , everything we've ever stood for, everything we've ever stood for, everything we've ever stood for, everything we believe . to end, everything we believe. to end, to end this madness, this madness that is going through corporate life, that is going through , in fact, most of the

through, in fact, most of the pubuc through, in fact, most of the public sector, which reminds me, there's a lady called dame alison rose . now, she was the alison rose. now, she was the head of natwest bank. but saw fit for her organisation not just to de—banking me, but to leak confidential information about me to her mates at the bbc. well, of course she was fired and i was delighted. but she's now got a big new, highly paid job. isn't that good? she's gone to mishcon de reya and she's in charge of equality, diversity and inclusion . so diversity and inclusion. so given her track record, we wish mishcon de reya the very, very best of luck . but we believe we best of luck. but we believe we believe in meritocracy . we believe in meritocracy. we believe in meritocracy. we believe that a society looks after its weak , but encourages

after its weak, but encourages everybody else to do the very best. it can. and we don't care in this party. we don't care about skin colour. we don't care about skin colour. we don't care about orientation. we couldn't care less who you are. we care whether you share the values of this country. we care whether you obey the law . and we'll you obey the law. and we'll judge you on who you are. we'll judge you on who you are. we'll judge you on who you are. we'll judge you on who you are as a person. isn't this what everybody wants? is that what we're going to fight for ? we're going to fight for? >> can we succeed ? can we make >> can we succeed? can we make history ? history? >> are you going to be part of it ? thank you very, very much it? thank you very, very much indeed.thank it? thank you very, very much indeed. thank you . thank you, indeed. thank you. thank you, thank you , thank you . thank you, thank you. >> that was the headline speech there from nigel farage in

birmingham. >> you can see a sold out venue. he said 4000 people there. that was the keynote speech of nigel farage saying we can win the next general election. the fireworks going off, the pyrotechnics got a bit of the razzmatazz back there. the old brexit party days of yore, just to go through some of the top lines from that speech. we don't want extremists and bigots, nigel farage said he was referring back to what he called some amateurish mistakes of vetting at the last general election, but emphasising the party wasn't big enough wasn't ready. but those mistakes won't happen again. here come the trademark turquoise and white balloons, raining down, looking every inch like a rod stewart gig- every inch like a rod stewart gig. in fact, there's nigel farage popping those balloons back towards the punters. go and give one a boot. nigel farage moving on, he said about the constituency of the of the party

will be voted on tomorrow . the will be voted on tomorrow. the constitution mandate give members you , the members the members you, the members the right to own this party, not me . right to own this party, not me. talks about how he started the party quickly and in a nimble way to make it immune to hostile takeovers, he said. a hijack by bad actors. so the party was a limited company for that reason. and he said the party has now grown up. it is no longer a toddler. the party needs to develop and new members will own the party, not me, a line that really leapt out. he then said we have to model ourselves on the liberal democrats made little joke about the fact don't worry, i won't be getting on a waterslide any time soon. but he remarked upon the fact that the that the party needs to set up branches , needs to test itseithe liberal democrats don't forget , remarked upon the fact that the liberal democrats don't forget , liberal democrats don't forget, achieved fewer votes than the liberal democrats don't forget, achieved fewer votes than the reform party at the last general reform party at the last general election. that 3.6 million, as election. that 3.6 million, as opposed to 4.1 million. the opposed to 4.1 million. the reform party achieved, saying reform party achieved, saying that the party needs to set up that the party needs to set up

branches , needs to test itself branches , needs to test itself branches, needs to test itself at local elections, need a branch structure to convert those votes into a targeted pattern of winning seats. many people in politics, myself included, said in the aftermath of the general election . that of the general election. that was a big problem for the reform party. their their approach was a blunderbuss to go out into the aether. but in actual fact, they need to be more like a sniper to go where their vote is. that's what ed davey does. that's what the liberal democrats do so well. they know where their vote is. they get their vote out, they target their vote. they mobilise where they can win and nigel farage acknowledged today that that needs to be done. who would have thought he would ever say that the reform party should model itself on the liberal democrats? but he did. he then threw the gauntlet to the room, trying to mobilise the people in that audience to become party activists. and he said the

that audience to become party activists. armay said the that audience to become party activists. armay next the that audience to become party activists. armay next year. and of fire is in may next year. and that, of course, is the council elections. he namechecked places like thurrock , also saying it's like thurrock, also saying it's up to you. he said if we get may right and this is his direct quote, he said we can win hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of elected councillors all across britain. and he said from that spring base , again from that spring base, again echoing what liberal democrats have been doing for decades, start with the councils, start making decisions, start having influence at a council level. start knowing your vote where your vote is, start being taken seriously. start to show people that you can actually make comprehensive and decent decisions. that gives you then the credibility to go towards a general election. this is the basics of politics, which a new party of course finds very , very party of course finds very, very difficult. mr farage then went on to say the sky is the limit. he said if we get may right, the

sky is the limit at the next general election. very very kind of outspoken, saying we can win the next general election. of course, you'd expect nigel to farage talk a good fight. still a mountain to climb. he then talks about the conservatives and he was, one by one, critiquing the conservative party hopefuls. he said, i don't give a who the next tory leader is. the brand. the brand . beg is. the brand. the brand. beg your pardon, is burst. the brand is broken, he said. all credibility of the conservative party, in his opinion, is shattered. they had 14 years in power where they failed to control the borders, failed to support small businesses, failed to underline the importance of british cultural values, the judeo—christian values, he pointed out. he said the conservatives had their chance and they blew it. he called bofis and they blew it. he called boris johnson's tenure an historic betrayal of historic

proportions. he said earlier on, a complete breach of trust with the british public on a truly historic scale. have we taken back control of our borders? no. at almost every level, we've been betrayed. he then went on to turn his chagrin towards london. he said in london, men are scared to wear watches, women are scared to wear jewellery. talking about street crime, he then talks about how mass uncontrolled immigration had gone into that , concluding had gone into that, concluding britain is broken so logically britain is broken so logically britain needs reform. he went through the conservative party candidates one by one, had a pop at kemi badenoch, saying she did one shift in mcdonald's. it suddenly makes her a working class, he said. there's one candidate whose surname, belies the fact they don't actually have as as high an iq as they think they have. mrjames think they have. mr james cleverly, i would suspect, is his target there. he then went

on to talk about the labour party reserving special venom for the first few weeks, and two months, in fact, of sir keir starmer's tenureship as prime minister. he called that in two words truly shocking, he said. and then he said, we live in a state with two tier policing. we live in a state with two tiered justice, two tier care, and we've had enough already. and he then went on to say that a quarter of labour voters, according to reform's research, are already considering flipping to reform and all they've got to do is show that they are just like them now as an electric speech. let's go back to that arena and rejoin our political edhon arena and rejoin our political editor, chris hope, who's there for us now ? chris just been for us now? chris just been running through some of the key lines to the gb news audience. you were there. tell us about the atmosphere in the room and the atmosphere in the room and the aftermath from the crowd. >> well, it's full of

pyrotechnics. we saw some some, some, some sparklers going off. we saw balloons come down, streamers launched over our heads, kind of a real kind of a feeling of a of an evangelistic rally, i think, they loved it. and the crowd , you might expect and the crowd, you might expect that 4000 or 3000 people there, it felt full. it felt energised at the end . there nigel farage at the end. there nigel farage speaking without any notes at all. i thought that the key point from him was at the end. i thought he said that we don't care about your skin colour, your orientation. what we do care about is if you share the values of this country and we judge you as a person. i think thatis judge you as a person. i think that is meant to reach out to people who don't know about reform maybe you're worried about reform is a far right party. is it a racist party? that's nigel farage they're saying if you believe in britain, we're on your side. and that's what the crowd really warmed to at the very end. but with me now is the guy behind all this. it's zia yusuf . he's all this. it's zia yusuf. he's the reform uk party chairman .

the reform uk party chairman. zia is well, the first bits over the parties tonight. how has it gone for you? >> well, what an extraordinary day . we've had a sequence of day. we've had a sequence of brilliant speeches. i think our mps, the five parliamentarians that reform have in the house of commons, standing up for hard working british people, standing up for british values and celebrating them, as you said, offering real solutions to the challenges that this country has delivered . extraordinary delivered. extraordinary speeches, absolutely remarkable speeches. nigel's address, as you said, no notes . there's you said, no notes. there's nobody else like him in british politics. he is the most formidable politician in britain of our lifetimes. and what that means, he is our weapon . he is means, he is our weapon. he is our most formidable weapon. as we chart a course to win the next general election. >> well, on that point, he gets the crowd going and he talks a big game. but what does this stuff actually mean? he talks about what lee anderson talked about what lee anderson talked about getting our country back. if you don't believe in our values, get out of the country. what values are you describing ?

what values are you describing? because as you know, we are a community in this country of loads of different values. and why is it right that one of those is right and the others are not right? >> well, firstly, because this is the united kingdom, this is britain. and therefore what we're saying is, look , this is we're saying is, look, this is the most welcoming country, i think, in the world. as someone who was born and raised here and has travelled all over the world, but ultimately diversity cannot unite us. you know, i built and ran a company. i understand diversity can be a good thing and reform already as people have lots of different faiths, lots of different backgrounds within it . but backgrounds within it. but diversity cannot unite us. the only thing that can unite us is a shared belief in a set of values . and you ask what values values. and you ask what values those are? well, those are some of the things i talked about in my speech. things like equality before the law, freedom of religion, freedom of speech , the religion, freedom of speech, the presumption of innocence, many of which are actually under assault from the man in downing street at the moment, which is why it's so important that we keep up the momentum that we've seen here today. >> now, your members are voting tomorrow on this new

constitution. you've, you lost a lot of gb news with me in august talking about it. that is going to give the support, the power back, or in fact, to members from nigel farage. your critics, though, ben habib being one former deputy leader, he says that actually the board can overrule what members want. so really it's a potemkin policy. there's no real power to members at all. >> what tomorrow is about in terms of what we're presenting to our members, actually makes us the most democratic political party of any of the major parties in the united kingdom. so, number one, nigel farage, as he said, current structure of the party. he's a majority shareholder. it's a company limited by shares that made sense for the purposes of getting us to where we are now for the next phase of this journey, going from 14%, but we're now at 18% support in the polls, getting to 32, 33%, winning the next general election , electing nigel as our election, electing nigel as our prime minister. that requires us as he said, to come of age, to grow up and so what we're saying is this is now going to be a company limited by guarantee.

it's going to be owned by the members as a not for profit and governed by our constitution. and our members are going to be empowered both locally with local branches, to choose a chair, to choose a secretary, choose a treasurer, choose a candidate important at all levels. and then they're also going to be empowered to input on policy, and they're going to be empowered. of course , in the be empowered. of course, in the long distant future, after nigel has served hopefully several terms as prime minister to choose the next leader, the boldness is extraordinary. >> you're saying several terms of prime minister. how many terms? so you'd be re—elected again for all of 2030. i mean, it's a long way. >> we've got to focus. well, look, we've got to focus on winning the next general election. if we don't do that, who knows whether there's going to be a country left? >> no one's ever done it for them. you have five mps to 326 mps, which gives a majority in the commons, has never happened before. i mean, farage himself says it's once in a century. i mean, it's like never happened before. it's not even that. it's once in a thousand years. >> this is a great news channel. how many weeks go by? not a week

goes by before something extraordinary happens, including in especially in politics. that hasn't happened before. and by the way, nigel farage, one of the way, nigel farage, one of the reasons he is so formidable is everything you just said could have been described about leaving the european union. he succeeded in that. he took on the banks . he succeeded in that, the banks. he succeeded in that, as he says. nothing that he has done ever made sense to the cynics. >> he did say it takes time. cynics. >> he did say it takes time . and >> he did say it takes time. and can he do that in five years, or are we really talking if it gets anywhere 20 year plan? >> we're clear eyed about the challenge. it's going to be extraordinarily difficult. look at the enthusiasm and the support we already have. and you can see that here, where a start up party that won 4.1 million votes. and look your point about the seats, the point about the seats is having five, albeit extraordinary mps. the lib dems have 14 times more seats than us, despite winning half a million fewer votes. and if you look at the betting market, if you look at the betting markets, all priti reform are at 8 to 1 to win the most seats in the next general election, the lib dems are at 100 to 1 despite

having 14 times as many seats. so no look, betting markets could could be wrong, but the reality is that they can see some things happening. they can see that our chances of winning the next election at 8 to 1. by the next election at 8 to 1. by the way, those are the exact same odds that the 8 to 1 were the odds that lee anderson had to win his seat when the snap election was called. and what happened then? not only did he win, not only did he win, he expanded his majority . expanded his majority. >> i've got to ask you, were you happy when lee anderson says things like, if you don't like our culture, get out those. that language could be grabbed by the far right. let's let's call them that. and that's not reform uk, but the far right could leap on that and use that. you know, to target communities. i mean, is that a language you're happy with? >> i'm a good friend of lee's leaves a lovely man. and what lee is saying there. so if somebody chooses to misinterpret what he's saying, we can't be held responsible for that. what lee says is, if somebody comes to this country and wants to share our values, wants to

embrace our values, as he said, importantly, he said, play by our rules. this is britain , this our rules. this is britain, this is the united kingdom. then there's no reason for them to be here. if you come to this country wanting to subvert it, if you come to this country and you don't want to contribute, then if you if you keep welcoming those sorts of people, then the culture and the country and civic society starts to break down. so that's what lee's saying. i totally agree with him. and that's why it's so important that we win the next election. >> just finally, what are the staging posts for reform so we can judge your success? how many councils do you want to councils do you want to have in may's elections? how many assembly members in the senate ? how many members in the senate? how many msps in scotland? what are you looking at? well, look, the elections coming up in may, as nigel said, these are extraordinarily important for us. >> us. >> we have enough time between now and then to start building something of a meaningful ground campaign. i made the commitment on stage a few hours ago to say by the next general election campaign , reform uk will have campaign, reform uk will have the most formidable ground

campaign in the country. we won't yet have that by may, but we will have massive progress versus what we had in the general election. so we think, as nigel said, we can win hundreds and hundreds of seats. if we do that, then we think we can follow that up the year after, both in scotland and in the senate in wales, with huge, huge progress in terms of the exact numbers we're still working on, on exactly what the target is going to be, but it will be hundreds of seats that we believe we can win next year. >> and do you worry, though, that the i mean, there is an enthusiasm here. it it feels exciting for your members. is it a sugar rush though in a sense that it can't carry on? i mean, how do you how do you make carry on the business that i built and ran was one of the fastest growing companies in this country for several years. >> so i know what it takes to take a lot of enthusiasm and not that much resource and turn that from something quite small, but with a lot of potential into something extraordinarily big. and i'll tell you what i see here is on a different planet to

that. so no, it's not a sugar rush, and you're going to see continued momentum. for us, we've gone from 14 to 18% in the polls, and you're going to see huge progress from us in the next council elections next yeah >> we'll see you, yousef. thanks for joining us. and just stay forjoining us. and just stay there. martin nazir yusuf there, there. martin nazir yusuf there, the chairman of reform uk. do you have a question for him? >> yes i do. 8 to 1 is you have a question for him? >>yes|do.8to1isa you have a question for him? >> yes i do. 8 to 1 is a decent size hold. of course miracles do happenin size hold. of course miracles do happen in the world. but can miracles happen in politics? it would be a truly astonishing feat for a party like reform to lead the country . does mr yousaf lead the country. does mr yousaf believe in miracles ? believe in miracles? >> the question there for martin is do you believe in miracles? and 8 to 1 of the odds to win in 20 2029, is it realistic? >> 8 to 1 what the bookmakers had lee anderson to win his seat when the when the snap election was called by rishi sunak. so the fact that that not only happened, but lee actually

expanded his majority. he was one of two red wall mps to win and then to expand his majority. so absolutely, not only is it could it happen, it can happen. and that look, you use the word miracle. we're clear eyed about what the challenge that we have at our hands. but all of the underlying factors that have given rise to nigel coming out of retirement, all the underlying factors that have given rise to reform surging now to 18% in the polls, up at 16 seats in the latest polls coming out of scotland. all of those are not only not going to get better, they're going to get demonstrably and rapidly worse. under this labour government. the british people are sick and tired of it and we are knocking on an open door. >> well, zia yusuf, chairman of reform uk, thank you very much . reform uk, thank you very much. certainly believing in miracles. you bottle that then who knows what can happen. thank you to chris hope as well. superb stuff. now still to come as five women moving on claim that they were raped by former harrods owner mohamed al fayed will

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>> welcome back. it's 524. i'm martin daubney on gb news. wow, what a show we've had so far. nigel farage has just given a speech at the reform uk party conference. let's remind

ourselves a little bit about what happened . what happened. >> because new or nascent political parties are vulnerable to being by extremist groups and bad actors. and all the while, i had control of it. that could never happen. that could never happen. never happen. that could never happen . because we don't want happen. because we don't want extremists. we don't want bigots. we don't want people who think that way because we represent the silent, decent majority of this great country that we live in. >> well, it went down very , very >> well, it went down very, very well in the auditorium there amongst the party faithful preaching to the converted, perhaps. and let's get the thoughts now of the former labour party mp stephen pound. stephen pound i don't know how much you heard about that speech there from nigel farage, but he said we don't want extremists and bigots. he said he doesn't give a who the next leader of

the conservative party is. he said the labour party have been truly shocking. and then zia yusuf, the chairman , said yusuf, the chairman, said i believe in miracles. at 8 to 1 to win the next. the biggest amount of seats at the next general election. he says that the reform party can win the next general election. what's your take about this afternoon's events there in birmingham ? events there in birmingham? >> well, i thought it was absolutely extraordinary. i mean , absolutely extraordinary. i mean, they did seem to be having rather a good time up there, you know, and you know, some of us are looking at the labour party conference with a certain element of trepidation. >> and, you know, god alone knows what the tories are going to get up to. but i thought it fascinating. i thought most of the reform uk people are old geezers, gammon faced blokes like me, you know, slopping around, moaning about how things used to be better when dixon of dock green was on the beat. but they seem to be a whole load of young people. they're amazing. but the interesting thing from farage's speech, the thing that itook farage's speech, the thing that i took from it, was a full blooded, full fat assault on the labour party. basically, he's tucked up the tories, he's done his job there and he's now coming for us. he's gunning for

us. and when he talked about keir starmer having, you know, the worst 11 weeks, you know of any any prime minister, you know he wasn't a million miles from the truth. i mean in defence i'd say it's quite good that, you know, we get the horrors out of the way in the first few weeks and then we can concentrate four and then we can concentrate four and a half years. but farage showed yet again, he has this extraordinary ability to connect with people at a degree that very, very few other politicians or even other actors or musicians or whoever can do. he's done it. he was freewheeling. there spinning away, having a great old time. and i think he's on a crest of a wave at the moment. the key stuff for me, apart from his attack on labour, was the way that they're now setting up these, you know, all these offices around the country, they're setting up branches, they're setting up branches, they're employing people. i think it's 50 grand a year as a local organisers because politics works from the ground floor up. you can't parachute politics down. you have to have your local parish councillors, your local parish councillors, your local parish councillors, your local councillors, your local county councillors, and that leads on to your city mayors, your mps, and it builds

up from there. you've got to build from the base up. and i see stephen brown nigel farage is building a base . is building a base. >> sorry, stephen power, what was fascinating there as well. another another line that leapt out was that we can learn a lot from the liberal democrats . and from the liberal democrats. and as you're intimating there, he was saying we need to build the local branches. we need to get councillors elected . we need to councillors elected. we need to show we're competent, we need to run at a local level before we can springboard to the next level. and of course, he's absolutely right to point out that's 4.1 million votes only precipitated five mps versus 3.6 million for the liberal democrats, 72 mps. so a lot of tough lessons learned at the previous election. the big question now, and you said already, is there a pitch to labour party voters? well, nigel farage was saying that their own evidence suggests that a quarter of labour voters are already thinking of flipping to reform without them having to do anything because sir keir starmer has been truly shocking

and the values that reform, he said. the common sense everyday values get the bigots out could already appeal. could the nigel farage party of reform become a serious headache for the labour party, like it did in the red wall during the brexit referendum? could the red wall become a turquoise wall? >> oh god. nicely put. look, i think the problem we've got here is that he's in danger for once of falling into the same trap as the liberal democrats. and when you start talking about springboarding politicians, as soon as i think of that, i think of, you know, ed davey leaping off a springboard and cartwheels through the air, even bigger so—and—so than he's already looked . which, to be fair, it looked. which, to be fair, it did actually work for the liberal democrats have a thing called donating. and donating is not what boris breakfast. it's where you actually get a councillor and then you get the councillors around that councillor, and it builds on and on from there. as for whether he can be a threat to the labour party, of course he can. he can be a major threat. but the

problem is a lot of people who vote liberal democrat don't vote liberal democrat because they believe in liberal democracy. they vote it because the liberal democracy, liberal democrats are a dustbin. they're a place where you can park your votes. if you don't, you're not quite ready for labour. you're not quite ready for the tories. you can go there in the middle. i don't think reform is in that same sense. i don't think reform. >> okay. thank you stephen. we have to deal with that. excellent as ever. thank you very much. now, in a short while, i'm about to be joined by the lawyer for some of the alleged mohamed al fayed victims have joined in the studio . have joined in the studio. gloria allred, an astonishing person. but first, as your headunes person. but first, as your headlines mark. person. but first, as your headlines mark . white. headlines mark. white. >> at 5:30, the latest headlines from the gb news centre and some breaking news. first, the prime minister will no longer accept donations for clothing after the row over gifts. chancellor rachel reeves and deputy prime minister angela rayner have also announced they will take the same approach. moving forward. the move follows the revelation

that sir keir had received more than £100,000 in gifts, including £16,000 for clothing and 2500 pounds for spectacles . and 2500 pounds for spectacles. reform uk leader nigel farage has said he will not let a few extremists ruin the work of the party's 80,000 members. mr farage received a standing ovation as he took to the stage at reform's annual conference in birmingham. he admitted that amateurism had impacted the party at the last election, but reform had now come of age. he said, and was on a clear path to becoming a more professional political party because new or nascent political parties are vulnerable to being by extremist groups and bad actors. >> and all the while i had control of it. that could never

happen. that could never happen . happen. that could never happen. because we don't want extremists. we don't want bigots. we don't want people who think that way because we represent the silent, decent majority of this great country that we live in. >> the hezbollah terror group has suffered another major blow after one of its most senior commanders was killed in an israeli airstrike. ibrahim akil is reported to have died when warplanes struck the building he was in earlier today in the lebanese capital, beirut , lebanese capital, beirut, security sources said. he was killed alongside members of hezbollah's elite radwan unit as they were holding a meeting . they were holding a meeting. throughout the day, more than 140 rockets were fired by hezbollah fighters into northern israel. the barrage started a number of fires when some rockets landed in open areas of

the israeli countryside. four members of staff at a welsh prison have been arrested on suspicion of assault and misconduct in public office. south wales police arrested the four, who all work at hmp parc in bridgend, following a series of incidents at the prison. the police have not said what the incidents relate to , but 13 incidents relate to, but 13 inmates are known to have died at the g4's run jail this year. you write up to date, those are the latest headlines. we'll be back a little later for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward

>> welcome back. it's 536. i'm martin daubney on gb news sleazebag predator and a monster without a compass. now those are just some of the ways that former harrods boss mohamed al fayed has been described by the dozens of women who have now accused him of sexually assaulting them when he ran the world famous department store harrods. speaking at a press conference earlier on today, the lawyers for the victims said that harrods had enabled the abuse the women suffered and they had full culpability. well, let's discuss this now further with the us attorney, gloria allred, who is representing five women who claim that they were raped by former harrods owner. i'm delighted to say that gloria joins me in the studio. thank you very much for joining us. >> for inviting me. >> for inviting me. >> you know what's astonishing about this case is the sort of names that have been mentioned that ring very true with the british public. jimmy savile was mentioned, epstein was

mentioned. and of course, harvey weinstein. and you represented represented 20 victims of jeffrey epstein. >> i also represented a number of victims of harvey weinstein. and now i represent a number of accusers of sean diddy combs. wow and of course, i also represented a number of alleged victims of bill cosby. we went to trial against him . we won at to trial against him. we won at the trial on our allegation that our client was 16 years old when bill cosby sexually abused her at the playboy mansion in southern california. so we have a long history of this. we've fought . we went to trial in fought. we went to trial in against an employer who sexually harassed one of his employees in california, and we won in excess

of $52 million for one victim. >> and at the time, i remember clearly, you said of harvey weinstein , you and others like weinstein, you and others like you are done and you get results. you know, you win. >> we persist. we resist. we insist, and we will go to trial. if there is not justice for our clients, we're looking for justice for the victims of mohamed al fayed. he's not just a monster. he's a sexual predator. he had a scheme, a plan, a design to recruit his. the targets that he wanted to sexually abuse . sometimes one sexually abuse. sometimes one was just shopping with her mother in harrods when he saw her 14 years old and he went up to her and offered her employment at harrods . she employment at harrods. she actually became employed when she was 15 years old.

>> so he knew the child? >> so he knew the child? >> yeah, a child. and then he sexually abused her at some point. so and of course, the system failed her because when she ultimately did report it to the police , there was no the police, there was no prosecution of mohamed al fayed. he did. i mean, he did what he did to many victims, to many he raped them or attempted to rape them . he also committed sexual them. he also committed sexual battery on them . and he also battery on them. and he also committed, you know, acts and crimes of child sexual abuse to many minors. so this is serious business. and these victims have, you know, many of them did not come forward for many years, one, because they were traumatised, two, because they were terrorised by mohamed al fayed who threatened them and suggested, for example, to one victim, she'd never work in london again if she told anyone. and also he said to another, i

know where your family lives and there will be consequences if you tell anyone what i did to you tell anyone what i did to you so they were looking at a man who had great power, fame , man who had great power, fame, wealth, power, and they didn't know if they'd be believed, if they told anyone. and of course, they told anyone. and of course, they were in fear. but now the fear has been has been replaced by courage. and i'm so proud of these victims. and as i said at these victims. and as i said at the press conference today, courage is contagious . and these courage is contagious. and these women who've come forward, some publicly on television and on the internet to tell their truth , the internet to tell their truth, some still want their privacy, but they know they can find out what their rights are in the confidential safe place of communication with a barrister . communication with a barrister. and that's confidential under the law. so many of them have done that at the press conference. you know, our team said that 37 had retained the

barristers with whom i did the press conference this morning, and now i'm understanding that there's more than 100 who've contacted the legal team. so we don't know the ultimate number. and but my sense is, whatever it is today, it's going to be larger tomorrow. >> astonishing. so it's gone from 37 to over 100 in the space of a day. >> what and what he did to some of them, and they were employees. okay. the idea that he required many of the women he targeted to have to take as a condition of employment , a condition of employment, a physical exam by one of the doctors for harrods . and the doctors for harrods. and the physical exam was not just, let's know your health history. it was you're going to have a gynaecological exam, you're going to have a pap smear, you're going to have a test for sexually transmitted diseases. why and then the doctor allegedly conveyed that private

examination information, like did they have any sexually transmitted diseases or to not muhammad al fayed. why did he want it? he wanted it because he was planning to sexually assault them, abuse them, rape them, and he wanted to be sure that he didn't get any sexually transmitted diseases . what an transmitted diseases. what an invasion of privacy for a woman to have to undergo that to get or keep a job. absolutely wrong. >> and gloria, some of this detail is just almost too much to comprehend. of course, mr al fayed passed away. he died last year , aged 94. what does justice year, aged 94. what does justice look like? what does that outcome look like for these incredible, courageous? now over 100 survivors? what does victory look like? >> well, of course, muhammad al fayed , in a sense bragged that fayed, in a sense bragged that he would never have to take responsibility for any of this like jimmy savile, and never did. but now his reputation, which he really valued when he

was alive, is tarnished with the truth coming out. and they are speaking truth to power , and speaking truth to power, and they are speaking truth to the new owners of harrods, who purchased it in 2010. and i am glad that the new owners said at the end of the documentary. the bbc documentary yesterday about all of this sexual abuse that harrods failed them because they did and they, you know, they want to acknowledge that and they want to help the victims. you asked, well, what does justice look like ? civil justice justice look like? civil justice for this matter ? if we're for this matter? if we're successful, if the team is successful, if the team is successful, the means monetary compensation for the victims and they deserve it because many of them had to pay out of pocket for a medical doctor or for a therapist or more. and sometimes

they suffered lost wages because they suffered lost wages because they were fired , because they they were fired, because they would not go along with the sexual abuse. and sometimes, by the way , he used violence the way, he used violence against them when they resisted and said no, he forced them anyway into the bed and forced them to do, you know , sexual them to do, you know, sexual acts that they didn't want to do. let's make it short. he raped them. >> well, some of this abuse happened on the premises in the store. and with that in mind is that why the enablement, the enabung that why the enablement, the enabling of this on those premises means it's now a harrods problem? >> yes. we think it's never too late to do the right thing. and you know, they seem to suggest in their statement that they weren't aware of what was happening with the prior owner, mohamed al—fayed, and at the time when they purchased it. that's the implication that i got for reading their statement . got for reading their statement. look, in the documentary, we see

someone who was employed at harrods saying everybody knew, the employees knew it wasn't a secret. they could see the women suddenly working. you know, had been working in the store at a lower level job. suddenly they're working in the chairman's office where he could have easier access. some of them saw some of the security people, the women, having to go into his home, into his apartment, into park park lane , to some of them park park lane, to some of them saw him requiring that they go to paris with him and some of the abuse allegedly happened at the abuse allegedly happened at the ritz and also at the home that he purchased. there formerly the home owned by the duke of windsor and his wife and he abused them in other locations. so a lot of people knew what was happening, why the women were coming out of his office crying, looking dishevelled when their clothes very upset. the women are afraid to tell anybody it turns out he

was tapping the phones that they were using and they knew it in, in in his office. and, many of them were speaking in code because they were afraid to just speak and they were being surveilled. one of them indicated that she had been surveilled because they were following to her see if she had a boyfriend. he didn't want them to have any boyfriends. i mean , to have any boyfriends. i mean, what he did was just absolutely outrageous. and harrods and many of the employees there enabled him, supported him , participated him, supported him, participated in recruiting the women and, you know, warning them . so all i can know, warning them. so all i can say is it was nobody should have to suffer a workplace like that . to suffer a workplace like that. this was an employment situation . this was an employment situation. nobody should have to suffer sexual harassment, rape or threats in their place of employment. many of these women needed the job in order to pay their rent, in order to pay their rent, in order to pay their telephone bills, and just

in order to support themselves . in order to support themselves. and so they were in a very vulnerable position. and he chose them because he knew they were vulnerable, many of them young. they didn't know what their rights were. they lived in fear. feah >> gloria allred , we have to >> gloria allred, we have to leave it there. it's an astonishing tale. thank you so much. thank you for standing up for these courageous women. i suspect in you they've got the best person possible on their side. >> thank you. i'm there to support the team, you know, provide whatever expertise i can provide whatever expertise i can provide and support the victims on their journeys to justice, which is long overdue. and i'm so proud of them. >> thank you very much. and thanks for joining us >> thank you very much. and thanks forjoining us on gb thanks for joining us on gb news. it means a lot. thank you very, very much. and the very, very, very much. and the very, very best of luck. wow. so coming up on the 80th anniversary of the historic operation market garden that forever changed the course of world war ii, will be live from the historic battlefields of arnhem. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news

welcome back. now eight years ago this week, operation market garden saw the tide of world war ii turn forever, and our reporter charlie peters is live now from the netherlands. charlie, welcome to the show. tell us about what an astonishing place you're there . astonishing place you're there. >> hello, martin. >> hello, martin. >> yes, out of ammunition. god save the king. that was the final order given by the second battalion, the parachute regiment on this day 80 years ago. as they were overrun defending this bridge. a bridge too far in arnhem on the most audacious airborne operation in british military history. phil marshall. monty, deploying his forces up into the netherlands to secure a bridgehead into germany from the north. it was a heroic, a daring and spirited operation, but ultimately a

failure as the british forces were unable to hold this bridge in time for the 30 corps armoured division to push up from normandy three months ago. martin, here on this channel and across the country, we celebrated d—day and commemorated those heroes who, 80 years ago started the liberation of europe . just think liberation of europe. just think about how much you have done since the 6th of june this year. think about elections, school holidays, trips with your family throughout that entire time. 80 years ago, the men who were fighting at normandy were fighting at normandy were fighting to get here. arnhem in the centre of the netherlands, fighting desperately north in their armoured divisions to reach this position to get into germany. well, just now we have had a march, a procession across that bridge. the bridge that was lost to the german forces. only one side held by the parachute regiment . one side held by the parachute regiment. for two one side held by the parachute regiment . for two days, 40 regiment. for two days, 40 hours. they clung on with their small supply of ammunition and food to last a desperate and

ultimately hopeless battle. but that procession, as they came through, there were associations from the army air corps, the parachute regiment, representatives from the polish forces and american forces as well. all represented in operation market garden markets was the air operation garden was. the land will have an airdrop tomorrow morning and commemorations and remembrance throughout the weekend . throughout the weekend. >> charlie, what a magnificent way to end the show . thank you way to end the show. thank you so much for giving us that report. and yesterday we reported on how some men were buned reported on how some men were buried 80 years after after they'd been identified by their dna. charlie beaches, thank you so much. and i'm very, very envious that you're there. and that's all from me for now. the dewbs& co is up next. i'll be back on your screens next week , back on your screens next week, every day from three in the afternoon of an astonishing day today at the reform party conference. much more on that, i'm sure, from michelle dewberry live next. now it's time for your weather. here's alex deakin . your weather. here's alex deakin. >> looks like things are heating

up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> afternoon. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb. news much of the uk having a fine friday, but we've already seen some thunderstorms and 1 or 2 more to come across the south this afternoon. we do have a met office yellow warning in place. not everywhere in the warning area will see a downpour, but where they occur , large where they occur, large hailstones. lots of lightning could cause some issues. they tend to fade as we go through this evening, but more could rumble into parts of the south dunng rumble into parts of the south during the early hours. a bit of drizzle is possible on some eastern coasts, but generally the weather is dry across the north, with clearer skies in the northwest allowing temperatures to dip actually close to freezing in some rural spots. we have another met office yellow warning in place for saturday, as further thunderstorms develop again. hit and miss nature of the storms means that not everywhere in this warning area will catch a downpour, but where

they occur tomorrow, they could cause some problems. meanwhile, further north, the weather's much calmer but still quite grey and drab. on some of these north sea coasts. western scotland yes, it starts chilly, but here the lion's share of the sunshine once more during saturday. by and large, a fine day across northern ireland too. for england and wales there will be sunny spells, but there will also be these heavy showers. parts of the midlands , wales, parts of the midlands, wales, southern england in particular. again, lots of lightning, large hailstones possible, a lot of spray and surface water on the roads, but it won't rain all day and some places may dodge the downpours altogether. and in the sunshine , quite warm here again, sunshine, quite warm here again, temperatures into the mid 20s, perhaps much cooler on some of these north sea coasts where it stays drab with that breeze coming in, but quite warm again in western scotland by day. quite cool again to start sunday, but yet again here. another fine day again in the south. another day of watching some heavy downpours. a yellow warning for sunday. this is for rain, this time more persistent and potentially again causing some flooding after the

weekend's downpours, there will again be some sunshine in western scotland and again in the south. temperatures may squeak over 20 degrees. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather

i'm live from birmingham. what am i doing in birmingham? >> well, of course it is. the reform uk's conference. it is just finished live here tonight. what an atmosphere. i could have been forgiven, quite frankly , been forgiven, quite frankly, for at one point thinking i was at some kind of rock concert. concert. anyway, look, there is lots to discuss. nigel farage reckons that he and his party

are coming of age. what do