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alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> hello and welcome to headliners, where we review tomorrow's newspapers with insight and humour and sometimes both on the same show. >> i'm josh howie thrilled to be joined by my uncle, twice removed by a court order. lewis schaffer and blast from the past. >> it's jojo sutherland who's actually also from sutherland. >> that's not right. that's not. >> that's not right. that's not. >> no, that's a lie. >> no, that's a lie. >> okay, so look, i thought i did two good jokes in a row and then i threw it away at the end. >> i'm sorry. how are you, jojo? lovely, darling. i know, yes, of course, ofcom's going to be calling. i'm very well, course, ofcom's going to be calling. i'm very well , thank calling. i'm very well, thank you. i realise i need glasses now on this show because i can't see anything. things have changed. lewis, of course, doesn't need glasses. i don't need glasses or toothpaste. but occasionally you might want to use them, but just as a helpful device. and if you want to not use glasses, you can train your

eyes. you start off here and you go there and you start and you go there and you start and you go back. well, you need sort of different glasses for different things. so you just if you, if you, you wonder why your girlfriend argues with you. oh my god, we're not allowed to mention his girlfriend, are we not? no. just because there's a lot of women and men who think that they have a chance, who think they have a chance. exactly. >> and if they know that he. >> and if they know that he. >> it's like a boyband member. you've got to. he has to live a life in secret. we're not allowed to say that he has a partner, and they might have chance. >> okay, so we have to pretend that lewis doesn't have a girlfriend. >> i mean, i was in doubt anyway. i know lewis schaffer personally. you don't want to go there. okay, let's have a look at the front pages. we have the telegraph . i took free clothes, telegraph. i took free clothes, two admits. chancellor, i weekend eu reveals the price of starmer's softer brexit new migration deal for under 30s in europe and the uk daily mail starmer hit by calamity poll. the sun fade was like saville, saville, sorry, epstein and weinstein, the times labour u—turn on freebies and finally

the daily express. heartless 86% of poorest pensioners will lose fuel, of poorest pensioners will lose fuel , help of poorest pensioners will lose fuel, help and those we are front pages . front pages. first up lewis. the times. what are they going with? well, the big story in the times. >> labour u—turn on freebies. starmer's top team will no longer accept donations for clothes as he caves into pressure. >> pressure. >> i love this, he committed a crime as far as i know. isn't it a crime? you can't take stuff. >> no, he didn't commit a crime. a crime he did not commit a crime? no. well, isn't it? >> shouldn't he report that he got was his wife that they didn't report? >> they had actually reported his clothing, but it was clothes for him. no, there was clothes. there were some more clothes for his wife. and that was what was not reported. >> can i tell you something, please? what about rayner? what about angela rayner's clothes? >> i'm sure those reports, all of them were reported. it's not about the reporting. it's moved beyond that. as to whether they should have been accepting these thousands of pounds of clothing. that's the question. >> is that is the amount of

money. i mean, where are they shopping? £16,700 that starmer took. i mean, even the princess of wales goes to blooming primark and uses the high street, £16,700. >> that's just one of lewis's ties. >> are you saying? yes, my new aquascutum tie. but are you saying that he got £16,000 and he reported it? >> yes, that's exactly what i'm saying, because i have read the story . story. >> right. he reported it and. right. that's true . and he was right. that's true. and he was saying that. what was he saying? >> he was saying that he reported it out with the date. he didn't realise. he checked with the committees about what the rules were about accepting donations , and that he donations, and that he understood that the donations could be accepted except for his wife. >> exactly. the point now is they have decided. labour have decided all the leadership to say no more. this practice is oven say no more. this practice is over. so the solution seems to be that labour have come up with is naked politicians. >> oh right. okay, so they're just not going to dress them how. >>

now. >> that's the idea i believe that's what they're going for how. >> now. >> but the truth is it's labour. and i can say from, from dealing with the, with the council that i'm in the labour can be really poorly dressed. so maybe it's a good thing for the country. >> you know, i'm no fan of corbyn but part of me was like, mate, just take some free clothes. yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. and now that of course labour in power, they do have to spend a lot of time. now this is, i'm sure a lot of people are not going to agree with this. i think personally that someone should be paying for when they're doing all these state dinners and whatnot. >> i have a solution. >> i have a solution. >> okay, let's hear it. >> okay, let's hear it. >> the solution being that there is actually a charity that operates called street works. org, which is very principle, is to clothe people, to look smart for work . so they should donate for work. so they should donate to street works and then they could go to street works and then get the clothes from there. so they look very good. >> so basically charity. >> so basically charity. >> charity, i mean it's a very socialist principle. >> so how about i like it. finally, just before we move on from the times, there is a picture of angelina in gifted clothing. they're having dinner.

i don't know if we can show it back up with the having lunch. i think with the with the king, can we put it back up? can we have a little look at that? oh, we can have a look in a second. okay. the thing that i wanted to point out in this picture is that she's got a very full wine glass.i that she's got a very full wine glass. i don't know if you noticed. yes, i was deducing it. >> and a cream suit. >> and a cream suit. >> i mean, cream suit, wine glass. but he seems shocked by how much wine. now it could be ribena , that's all on the wine glass. >> why would you put ribena in a wine glass? >> there it is. you can see them, right? there's a there's a very full wine glass. his is empty. i'm not saying he's drunk or anything. or maybe it was empty or it doesn't even look like what? but she has definitely got a big glass of wine. >> but it's undrunk, so it's at the top. maybe she wasn't planning on drinking. maybe. but also she thought it was free. >> do they get to choose their clothes or. i mean, is it the men deciding what women should wear? and you know what i mean. how do they know what size she is? >> well, i think that she probably gave the sizes the. i think it's a great photo, though. also, i think, i don't know if you've read about her life and interviews and stuff.

she's had a pretty incredible life. whatever you think of her. and there she is having lunch with the king. i think that's pretty cool, right, jojo? not drinking no wine? no. louis. not pleased with your. i don't think you can. >> you cannot leave it like that. oh, she's having the king. the king is there on the same team there. team world. whatever. >> i still think it's pretty cool, right, jojo , the moderator. >> you should not be okay. >> you should not be okay. >> sorry. i think it's terrible. jojo. something similar in saturday's telegraph in saturday. >> i took three clothes. two admits chancellor. >> oh my. so she's taking the bullet now. she's like saying i also took three clothes past the mark. >> it's like it's a little bit like , you know. what's that? spartacus. >> yes. yeah, yeah , i'm. >> yes. yeah, yeah, i'm. >> i'm spartacus. oh, i took the. >> i am well dressed. >> i am well dressed. >> spartacus. i am well dressed. i've, you know, i've got my underpants sorted. and so. yes. so starmer and top team say no more gifts as ruth threatens to overshadow conference. but it's this thing of the idea that they've been sort of forced into not taking them. they've been bullied into it. but it is that sort of moral thing, isn't it? and particularly from a socialist principle, it's a bit

hypocritical. >> well, it's hypocritical also when someone like tim farron from lib dems, when he was leader of the party and on question time, he never accepted any donations. >> and it showed . yeah, but i >> and it showed. yeah, but i mean, why are the football tickets for entertainment? >> well they're not i noticed they're not, he's not rejecting those he's going to still take he's still going to take those. he's going to take the football tickets. >> so he's taken he's taken on the stance on the clothing. >> you can do without the clothing. >> he will still have corporate entertaining and go to wimbledon and football matches. so but why is that always the way that the ficher is that always the way that the richer you are? i mean, it's not just politicians that do this . just politicians that do this. celebrities, you know, they end up getting free everything, whereas people who are on a lower income pay more for their electricity because they've got a car. so why why , why is it lewis? >> you're rich. >> you're rich. >> i wonder why that is. why? why would you give to money a poor person? i mean, what are you going to get out of it if you going to get out of it if you get free clothes? the guy's the guy saying, well, where did you buy your clothes? and it's andifs you buy your clothes? and it's and it's a and i hate to say it, why did the guy give, give, give this to thousands of pounds? >> well, i think it comes down

to character because we all know. do you know, we all like a freebie. if you're going to see a show at the fringe, you want to get on the guest list. >> let's just say now send in anything free that you have. >> we don't have any. i think occasionally you just have to be a decent person and buy ticket. >> sorry, lewis, i really i've got a few more stories. just nhs charges, more patients for treatment. that's the other big story in the telegraph. >> this is this is saying that around the there's not much news here but around, around the, around the country different nhs charities whatever because it's all trusts is that they figured out ways they give like you say, you want your own little room. you can pay extra for your room. but that means but that means that people that's a room that they could have put . they could have put. >> so it's like economy plus or whatever they call it, flying easyjet. >> and at the end of the day it's going to make it's going to make people really unhappy because people are paying taxes and they don't like the idea that someone is. >> yeah, yeah, someone else steps in and they get what was it, the thing they're talking about here, fruit baskets and newspapers and whatnot. it's two tier healthcare. yeah, there's

one more story, which i think is mental killers. mental health spares him deportation. this is a ugandan killerjailed for life, but he's not allowed to be sent back to uganda because the human rights lawyers have argued that it would be inhumane. so now he has to stay in the uk. this seems crazy, but wherever he is , he's going to be locked he is, he's going to be locked up, isn't he? >> so it doesn't really matter. whatever. >> but why? why are we suddenly got to deal with it for the rest of his life? >> because we're quite hot on human rights in uganda. isn't >> it's because of. >> it's because of. >> there we go. that's the answer. >> there's a term for it, which is like, i think it's like some people's problems are bigger, bigger than other people's problems. and they believe that immigrants and migrants coming to this country, or they do now are nice people. and because they're nice people , you know, they're nice people, you know, maybe they're nice people who killed people, but they're still nicer people. okay. >> so, lewis, very quickly, let's do the guardian finally , let's do the guardian finally, we want to take israel, says hezbollah military chief killed in an airstrike. >> this is airstrike. and this

is just. this is not as interesting as setting a light thousands of pages or or phones which kill people. >> so this is this is old school. now that we've seen all the fun stuff this week, we've seen the pages, we've seen the walkie talkies. now we're expecting some some james bond stuff, and now they've just used a bloody old bomb. >> yeah. it's like, am i allowed to say bloody sorry retrospective isn't it. it's, you know, sort of. i love the fact as well. it's like, the, the un have warned that it could spark major conflict. i mean, that feels like it comes from the office of stating the bleeding obvious. yeah, you know, maybe, you know, hezbollah firing 8000 missiles over the last 11 months. >> that might also have something to do with it. but yeah, it's been a bad week for hezbollah. great. right? we are going to move on to the interval now. we have had our fun with the front pages. in the next section, we turn our attention to, professional . and we

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nigel farage. welcome back to headliners. most gender balanced newspaper review show in the land. newspaper review show in the land . i'm newspaper review show in the land. i'm josh newspaper review show in the land . i'm josh howie they them land. i'm josh howie they them joined by louis schaefer she her and jojo sutherland. he him let's kick off daily mail next jojo with the speech from the next prime minister. that's a joke of course. >> yes, of course. nigel farage vows to build an election winning machine. and because he

did build a form like they hurriedly built a billy bear bookcase and he arrived at reform uk conference with party claiming they can replace labour in power in 2029. but he needs admits needs to professionalise after candidates racism row because there was a lot of talk about the fact that a lot of the people hadn't been vetted and i know where i'm registered to vote in dunfermline in scotland, and i looked at all the, candidates that the candidate for reform was just a sort of outline, i think, in quite a lot of constituents they were i don't think they existed , don't think they existed, >> well, the election was called quickly. they didn't have the apparatus in case. and nigel farage, i guess, is arguing is that people sort of got through that people sort of got through that system . that system. >> but but in terms of if that's the criticism against reform that they didn't vet their candidates, i mean, that's the criticism against every political party because every single candidate in every single party has been found wanting in one way or another. so but it's like anything. do you know what i mean? we do have checks and

balances in place for teachers and you know, people that so but yeah, of course i think the criticism would be more so. >> is that almost like because reform is, of course, accused of being a far right party, that they desperation to remove themselves from any possible connotations of far right members who might be drawn to them , rightly or wrongly, you them, rightly or wrongly, you know, wrongly what what is wrong with racism? well, yes . thank with racism? well, yes. thank you. lewis, we're all comrades. i must state that racism has caused bad, but it's. >> yeah, i mean , you know, and >> yeah, i mean, you know, and also for personal reasons, you know what it is now . know what it is now. >> it's like, if people don't like somebody because of the colour of their skin , they colour of their skin, they should be allowed to not like people because of colour. >> that's the new angle. is this new angle? >> is it because someone's a jew or a muslim? they should be allowed. people should be allowed. people should be allowed to hate and not like and say, i don't like those people i'm not against. >> i not like you just because of who you are. >> that's that's the point that we should have. you should be, of course we should be allowed to. not like people. >> yeah. it's the quality of your character, the content of your character, the content of your character, the content of your character, louis, that find.

>> i mean, nobody likes you. you should. >> you should know. >> you should know. >> nobody does like you. >> nobody does like you. >> but i will have you in tears by the end of this program. >> you do have me in tears, clutching hands. >> you're making women cry across the land. don't touch another woman. oh my god , you another woman. oh my god, you should let her turn the roof. we're not going to call hr lewis. i want to make a serious point now. and you're going to answer this question right? >> pay attention. focus. >> pay attention. focus. >> part of or arguably the big reason that reform exists is to sort out controlled migration. if labour does somehow get a grip on that, will that put reform out of business? and let's go to lewis first and then, you know, it won't it won't put reform out of business because that's not what reform needs to be. >> and that's what the problem is, is it's taken a long time for the maga republicans to become maga republicans for, for, for in the wrong country. yeah no, but i'm i'm going to get there and it's and i think and i think i don't think farage really has expressed what the party is . the party is as party is. the party is as a national park. well, he does express it because he has the he has it on the sign which says

community, family and country. >> well, what do you what do you think, jojo? >> i think quite often what happens with parties like reform, they tap into people's fears and, you know , parties fears and, you know, parties spnng fears and, you know, parties spring up out of policies that the main parties are not dealing with. so the main parties need to look at why these parties spnng to look at why these parties spring up and address the issues that they are focusing on in order to get the electorate back onside and to go, well, let's listen to why they're upset. why have people moved from labour? >> why are they scared? >> why are they scared? >> why are they scared? why >> why are they scared? why are they going to reform? but they're not. rather than off reform, how about conservative lib dems and labour? think about what the issues are and take them seriously. and stop pretending that people are just not going to , because the fact not going to, because the fact is, they just lose everyone to being far right, which is unfair. >> no is that labour has a distinct view of like a sort of a european, the idea of trans stuff and covid stuff and lockdown stuff. this is the stuff that they believe in. it's like saying it's of the individual . whereas the tories, individual. whereas the tories, which should have been against

this , is basically the same as this, is basically the same as these people. it's just like, can i, can i finish what i'm going to say? >> can i finish ? did i interrupt >> can i finish? did i interrupt him? you were about to i didn't interrupt him. you can see the snp can make your point. >> lewis. i have to say shush. >> lewis. i have to say shush. >> make your snp became a major political party because of the fact that none of the other parties dealt with the lack of. okay, we're going to move on scotland. >> exactly. well, i will say about reform is, is that they've made it almost not racist to be able to talk about controlled migration. on to the news now. and the eu's stated its price. lewis. but will we pay it? >> yes. eu demands migration for under seconds as price for starmer's soft to brexit. and this is this is deep in the heart of brexit. basically what they're saying to storm is if you want anything from us which is what he does, he wants to get back into england, back into europe . he's saying we have to, europe. he's saying we have to, we have to. you have to let us send our 18 to 30s into britain for four years. and i think there's a two. there was a two year program, like with australia and canada, and they

want that to sort of to continue. but it's just he's not going to approve that . it's what going to approve that. it's what do they call that. it's a it's a stick and a carrot. >> but is it i mean it's not a stick of the carrot. >> it's like it's like one step in. it's like a step to getting back in. and the truth is, the truth is i feel you're going to interrupt me. >> josh, why you you know what? you. i know what you're doing. you're deliberately running out of things to say, and then you're turning and blaming me. but like, i was going to interrupt you when actually you've just run out of things to say. but i know exactly what you're doing. >> you think that's what i'm doing? that's not what i'm doing, is i'm not like you. i don't have something planned from the beginning because i've stopped thinking. i'm thinking as i'm going along, children. i wasn't thinking about like what i said before you know it's true. >> he was not thinking. jojo, have you been thinking? >> i have slightly, but what i was thinking is , has has things was thinking is, has has things changed in as much? maybe you should have exchange students and go interrailing and all that kind of stuff. can you still do that ? is that still? that? is that still? >> well, not really. i mean, you can, i guess you just have to get visas. whereas this would make it much easier. and an exchange thing. >> why don't you just go back to

having pen pals? that'll be fine. >> and then that's very interesting. and then it says that it can only be used in the country that you've arrived in, which is sort of the defeat of the european thing. the europeans have realised that europeans have realised that europe is dead. we shouldn't be involved with those people . involved with those people. britain is so much better than europe. it's much less than the united states, but it's still better than europe. >> and, well, the other thing they want, which is, is that they want, which is, is that they live and this is a big deal they live and this is a big deal, is that they want to live here. eu students to be charged uk university rates. that's a big deal. we're talking 38,000 down to about 11,000. that is very much unlikely to happen, but there are certain things in terms of defence which does need to be sorted . there are things to be sorted. there are things about, transportation of food between the eu and the uk that needs to be resolved as well. so it is interesting. i personally my personal thing, even though i'm hosting, i'm not meant to give. my personal thing is it's really about packaging here. it's whether or not plastic packaging obviously. no, not plastic packaging, it's not whether you're right. i'm sure

ideologically starmer wants to go through this, but at the same time he is somewhat wary of the quagmire that we've come through . quagmire that we've come through. yeah. so i think he that he won't do it and at the end of the day, these europeans are on the day, these europeans are on the way down, i'm sorry to say it, and they're best to stay away from it. >> i guess it's about who's going to european even though we're not in the eu, but does it not strike everyone that nobody knows what the hell's going on? >> i think there we go. right. good news in the times , jojo. good news in the times, jojo. for those who enjoyed the 1960s. yayi >> we're back . yeah, uk >> we're back. yeah, uk borrowing overshoots as debt hits 100% of gdp. so ouch. is that basically we're spending as much as we're earning the debt. >> is there? yes. so obviously our debt. but the weird thing is of course our the repayments haven't actually gone up because we've got a bit of a leeway with the interest rates going down. right. okay. but very good, >> no it's not i mean anything with let's say we're taking in £1 trillion. >> yeah, we owe £1 trillion, but we don't have to give them £1 trillion every year. we can give

them a certain percentage of that. >> yeah. well, like pay back your credit card. yeah. but so national debt hit 100% of gdp for the first time since the 1960s after the government's borrowing bill in august overshot forecast . but this is overshot forecast. but this is the other thing that always interests me, because in terms of labour keeping going on about this 22 billion black hole, like they didn't have a little look at the, whatever the public borrowing is, it's like the office for budget responsibility, the independent fiscal watchdog. how do we not know how much we need to borrow? it's not like it's come as a surprise. and why are we borrowing so much and why are we spending so much? >> well, the other thing is, of course, is that labour's fault that we are in this situation? they they are inherited. i mean, there's not really much they could have done in a couple of months to avert what's happening here. the other question i would ask you, lewis , sort of with ask you, lewis, sort of with slight trepidation and fear, would be what impact does this mean to normal people when they're going about and paying for their groceries? >> well, what it means is it

means that the amount of money that the country has to pay to pay that the country has to pay to pay back this trillion, whatever it is , is a lot. it's a lot of it is, is a lot. it's a lot of money that we insightful stuff. yeah. it's well, that's that's what it is. it is a bad thing. borrowing is a bad thing. and with and you mentioned that labour did this. well the tories were in power for a very long time. >> no i said tories did this. yeah. >> but it wasn't just the tories. >> no. well yeah. labour before that, before that. >> and then there's this famous note that, you know, no money left. yeah. but it strikes me that successive labour or conservative governments do not know how to budget. and inasmuch as you said tory government, conservative and labour and laboun conservative and labour and labour, because it's one countries, countries that are sort of 33 trillion in debt, did nobody say anything? 1 trillion. because when do you start going this is too much. and we need to pay- >> well, the good news now is that pensioners are going to freeze and that's going to help. >> yeah. that's. yeah. >> yeah. that's. yeah. >> well that's you're making a joke about it. >> but that's that was the covid response. let's kill old people and we'll save i think it was

the opposite even though that's what happened. >> hey look, let's go on to the welsh news next in the telegraph, lewis. but alas, you wouldn't qualify for this. >> oh, well, i would qualify. no you wouldn't. the word wales actually is a is a is a germanic term. >> no, but they want brains. >> no, but they want brains. >> oh, oh, there's a brain drain crisis. >> yeah. what they want is they want people to stay and they're considering this. this comes from the commission for welsh speaking communities. wales considers 25% income tax cut to tackle brain drain crisis. and this would be for local people. so local people who are welsh speaking. yeah. which is, which is inherently racist. that's like saying we're not going to let it. we're not going to give a tax break to people who don't speak english as a first language, but also they're talking about young people. you don't think that's not racist? >> no. talking about young people moving out of rural areas. you can it's not a story. that's what young people do. they migrate to the cities where there's a nightclub. >> and so how can they how can they build some nightclubs in these tiny towns? >> that's what they should do, is start bringing some nightlife and some drugs into the city. >> how can they do a 25% cut?

who is going to do the cut? the government based in london, does the cut. i don't think the welsh welsh have. >> no they do. no. that's the whole point of devolution. but there's an interesting thing. the whole the whole reason they're trying to do this is because they're afraid of a collapse in public services, because no young people, no babies, there's no the schools don't receive the funding and whatnot. so they're saying, let's , let's have a little bit let's, let's have a little bit of tax money rather than lose all of the tax money that they would. but of course, that's still going to mean that these services are going to be affected because there is less tax money coming in. what would be interesting is if they cut the tax money and they're able to do that and appeal to rich people, and suddenly you've got a load of rich people going to live in some little town in wales. >> yeah. and then the young people into the towns, but then make the infrastructure better, but make it more attractive for young people to stay at home in the first place. >> pardon me. beautiful jojo. where how is the money collected? do the welsh people have control over taxation in wales ? i don't think that they do. >> yes, that's. >> yes, that's. >> yes, that's devolution. >> yes, that's devolution. >> do they. no. do they do. do you have. >> it's like scotland.

>> it's like scotland. >> it's like scotland. >> does scotland send out a tax thing? >> well you know what. we're going to go to an interval i'm going to go to an interval i'm going to go to an interval i'm going to get on wikipedia and show scotland. lewis. >> that's the whole point of devolution. we have to pretend like your finances i did. >> no, i did no , we're halfway >> no, i did no, we're halfway through the show. there's still plenty of debate to come. we have wet market or trump or jews castrated or prison. let's

welcome back to headliners. getting straight into saturday's independent, where finally, this pub quiz question has a definitive answer . jojo has it . definitive answer. jojo has it. >> yes, the independent beyond reasonable doubt covid pandemic originated at wuhan market store, so the us and french researchers have now traced coronavirus to one stall in wuhan. just one stall. and basically said it is far beyond reasonable doubt that this is how it happened, professor michael willoughby at the university of arizona, noting that the other theories, of which there are quite a lot involve some really quite fanciful, absurd scenarios like aliens, you know, that it might have been in a lab that was very close, that was actually producing coronavirus. so, i mean, that's ridiculous. >> that's mental, even. >> that's mental, even. >> consider that, but there is no question that covid was circulating at the market. that's not in question, but the

university of edinburgh, quite well. good. the new study, said that the question that still remains is how it got there in the first place. however, the world health organisation, who are to be trusted , concluded are to be trusted, concluded that the virus probably spread to humans from animals and that a lab leak was extremely unlikely because for it to be a lab leak, the repercussions would be quite more significant than just a little. well, this is a little thing. >> it came out. i mean, the who. said there's no way it's w.h.o. said there's no way it's a lab leak. turns out that the people who exist, the people who wrote the report, had ties to the lab. and then people were like, actually, maybe it's probably likely that there was a lab leak, and now they're saying it's not. it's the flip flop. >> it's the flip flop. and it's also when you peel back the layers and find out the, the money that was put into discovering these different viruses and the labs. >> so you kind of go, so this is this has not solved it is what you're saying. >> it's absolutely not solved it. it'sjust >> it's absolutely not solved it. it's just people trying to go look over there. this is definitely this is definitive. it was definitely one market and one man in wuhan. that's

responsible for this chaos. >> can i just posit i don't know if you know a lot about this stuff more than i do. let me ask you if you've heard this. this is my idea of what happened right? someone got infected in the lab, and then that person was eaten by a bat. >> oh, that's the most popular. yeah definitely. >> that got eaten. >> that got eaten. >> okay, well, the thing is, it's like it's all good on good old common sense. >> and then that bat ended up in the. please don't say that covid doesn't exist, louis. >> just tell me the china the china did not let anybody know. and we do know that coronavirus was existent in in in france in the end of 2019. there is there are so many possibilities and so many criminals involved in this whole case. but anyway , look, whole case. but anyway, look, you're going to solve it, louis. >> give us give us your opinion. oh, wow. >> wow . oh, he's throwing a >> wow. oh, he's throwing a temper tantrum. this is a first. oh, he's a toddler. he's. no, no, no, no, let's enjoy it. >> i'm not throwing a temper. >> i'm not throwing a temper. >> he's. let's enjoy it. let's enjoy the silence. this is that. you should never have dead air

on telly. this is the rule of live television. there is one exception. this is it. this is louis schaefer . silent. louis schaefer. silent. >> i think the people are right. >> i think the people are right. >> let's move on. now. >> go to louis schaefer at louis schaefer . schaefer. >> lovely. >> lovely. >> wow. that's good. well, louis, you're going to go with this one. trump development in the telegraph louis. and what have you and i been blamed for now . how. >> now. >> well i don't think anybody's blaming us. this is donald trump. trump if i if i lose the jewish people will have a lot to do with it. blaming us. he's blaming you. he isn't. you can't tell 99% of what he says is a joke. and even the stuff that's true, he didn't mean it in the way he meant. what you want as a jew, i can say this. he's totally right. right. the a lot there are a lot of jews in america, and they support kamala harris and only 40% support trump. and basically, trump is america's hope because because the democrats want israel to be destroyed, because they're against the nation state, the democrats are against the idea of a separate israel. i mean, maybe it's all right for them to have a separate saudi arabia. that's okay. gung ho .

that's okay. gung ho. >> another 52, a slight a slight thing with the numbers, though, because, you know, the fact that jews would be to blame because of their tendency to vote for the democrats, but then they go on to say that 2% of the us population are jews. so, i mean, yeah, but that's over. >> that's over 6 million is appropriately is appropriate. >> but i mean, 2% can make a difference to the whole overall vote. yes >> it's very tight. sorry, louis. go because because jews vote okay. >> they're not they're not they're like occasional voters. they're big voters. 2% of america is 6 million people. so there's probably 2 or 3 million votes. these things are very close in pennsylvania was down to 40,000 votes, or 20,000 votes. so it's very important. and he is right. unfortunately, there are a lot of jews out there are a lot of jews out there who don't see how dangerous the situation is in the world. that is true. >> i would argue. also, though, there are a lot of jews who have been very disappointed. jews, traditionally from the left , traditionally from the left, democrat supporting, who have people don't are very disappointed by that. and, and, andifs disappointed by that. and, and, and it's certainly on what trump

is saying, not in terms of i don't agree with this thing because there's an element of victim blaming here. there's also this idea that if america, you know, abandoned israel, like it would make life harder for israel. but i still think israel israel. but i still think israel israel was alone at its creation with no weapons provided , and it with no weapons provided, and it still thrived over seven armies that invaded it, but i think there's a lot of the left who are waking up to how dangerous the left's attitude towards jewish people are. >> are you waking up to this? >> are you waking up to this? >> i've been woken up for years. >> i've been woken up for years. >> i've been woken up for years. >> i don't believe that. >> i don't believe that. >> what are you talking about? >> what are you talking about? >> you voted. you voted labour. >> you voted. you voted labour. >> okay, well , then i went. then >> okay, well, then i went. then i went to a sleep for a bit, and then i woke up again. >> yeah, exactly. stop playing snp. that is the thing about the democrats. you're a left and your vote. >> you're a i believe you're calling a jew a liar. >> did you hear what he said? >> did you hear what he said? >> if you don't change your mind, then you're not progressing. yeah. no i'm saying you should change his mind. >> but he said i didn't vote for him. like time before. he said he he that guy john. he said. he said i changed my mind and but he voted. he voted for starmer.

when was that election? in june or something. >> and now i changed my mind again. that's. that's my prerogative. right, jojo? the mirror has a story helping huw edwards decide where not to go on holiday to a jail. >> yeah, rapists and are set to be chemically castrated in controversial italy crackdown. and the italian parliament gave its approval this week to the creation of a committee that could draft laws on treating violent sex offenders with androgen blocking drugs. androgens chemically castrated after the unconvicted in italy. but there has been quite a lot. and this. i actually find this story really interesting because there because in terms of paedophilic tendencies, for want of a better expression, and that is a tendency that people have , is a tendency that people have, it is a sexual persuasion. and like being heterosexual or homosexual, but you are attracted to a certain type or person that there has been studies done and there was a documentary about ten years ago called living. my next door neighbour is a, where someone who admitted to having paedophilic tendencies did a

documentary. hadn't there committed a crime. but it's about looking about cause and effect, about treating people who do have these tendencies and helping them before they commit a crime. now this has been put in front of government. it's been suggested and just ignored. so why are we waiting for people to commit these awful abuses when if we were just a little bit more understanding and able to help, what is i think is 1 in 50 britons, 1 in 50,1 to help, what is i think is 1 in 50 britons, 1 in 50, 1 in 50 britons, and how. yeah, have predilection. >> well , what they're saying >> well, what they're saying here, lewis, is that it would be you . they would the criminal you. they would the criminal would have to agree to it and that the process could be reversed. i mean, your expert, what do you think about it? >> well, i, you know, i yeah, every man knows he can look in somebody's eyes and you could see the problem. and, the truth is , if it's got to be if you is, if it's got to be if you have to go along with it, it's not much of a punishment. >> no, but if you're going to have a treatment, if that's your

if that's your answer is to have a treatment to castrate men who commit crime. but it's not castration. no, no, no, no or whatever it is drug blocking. why are we not offering that as a solution? well, interestingly, pnor a solution? well, interestingly, prior to, things like madagascar, it's like you're surgically castrated for some of the terrible crimes. >> i don't even want to mention here that for me, seems pretty, pretty good, right ? yeah. lewis, pretty good, right? yeah. lewis, we've got some old school in the times. >> yes. art gallery. this is a gallery. defies police to keep painting of nude woman in the window. and this is all, all believable. you know, because they put it this london chick , they put it this london chick, london lady put a painting of a nude woman in a window in hay on wye. that's where they have the book thing. and in paris, i don't know how does that how to pronounce that. pow! >> very cultural town. >> very cultural town. i've >> very cultural town. i've been there. i've been on the river there. i've been on the river there. it's fantastic. it's fantastic. and people and the police were called and i thought, that's outrageous nowadays. but the truth was, it wasn't just a picture of a pretty woman. it was a picture of a woman with her legs akimbo.

>> okay, they've crossed the line there. >> well, they crossed the line. and what? the woman who was the artist wrote . she basically artist wrote. she basically basically showing in total detail a woman's thing instead of a volvo. volvo. >> volvo. well i don't think volvo is a very, quite interesting artist. >> thought that all women that have had something bad to say about the painting aren't grossed out so much as insecure. i don't quite know what she means by that. >> well, the artist really talks a lot of bumph in this article. she's blaming it on men who made these rules about ladylike poses. men? yeah men with your with your rules about ladylike poses. with your rules about ladylike poses . and your men. yeah. you poses. and your men. yeah. you know what? i really want to do this story very quickly because it's fantastic. it's an incredible story in the telegraph, jojo, where now the gender woo woo nutters can't indoctrinate against children. so they're moving on to the elderly. this is. oh, okay. >> so pensioners can also become transgender care homes told yes . transgender care homes told yes. yeah. because most people sadly suffer from some form of dementia and alzheimer's in care homes. and by that very nature will identify as anything because they don't know who they

are, sadly. and so, researchers say that carers should respect people's pronouns and chosen names, but dodge the issue of dementia problems. so to be then focusing on something that isn't really an issue, i don't think in care homes and to how properly pronounce or adopt pronouns for the elderly. i think we're making something out of nothing. >> are we? are there really any non—binary sort of old people ? non—binary sort of old people? louis? you know, a lot of old people. you're old jemmy. >> but if you go into a care home and sadly, i know quite a few people who are in care homes, do you mean that's. that's not the issue. and why are we. why are we just stirring the pot when, you know, actually we're looking at trying to look after elderly people who are, you know, given their dignity and given them their dignity. and we know that we talk to people . and if they want to say people. and if they want to say they're a cat, it doesn't matter. you go with what they're saying to not upset them. >> so what do you think, louis, about this? it's pretty incredible. >> like you said, what it was is that, you know, they've run out

of children and now they're going for the grannies and the grandpas. and there was a there was a movie called arsenic and old lace. i don't know whether you remember this. yeah yeah. and with, with, the good looking guy and, and, and based that character of theodore roosevelt or a guy who thought he was theodore roosevelt. and they just went along with him. they just went along with him. they just said, okay, you're theodore roosevelt. go down into the basement and dig, dig a hole. >> i mean, the thing is, the reality is that in probably 50 years, there might be an issue of a trans person who's got who's post—op , who has who's post—op, who has alzheimer's. yes. and then and then wakes up and goes, what? where did these boobs come from or whatever. >> but that's also but that happens now. you know, people don't remember. it's like they don't remember. it's like they don't remember. it's like they don't remember your wife or your husband. who is this person? >> no, i mean, and if you have a big saturday night, that could happen as well. just the final section to go petrol or electric made in

shut up. welcome back to the final section of headliners. let's kick off the saturday's times lewis and how is this

going to affect your getting the night bus home? >> which one? which we are. we're starting with that. okay. fussy eating. oh lewis 1515 okay. >> driving electric car. >> driving electric car. >> oh that is so naughty. oh, what's the difference? i mean, this is not that important. >> we've been arguing about it all the way through the interview. you knew exactly what you were doing. get on with it. >> know that i didn't know that. the cost of driving electric car. i wasn't listening to you. that's why. cost of driving electric car up to twice the price of petrol or diesel motorists. so it depends. and it also depends if you're charging your car at home, which is half the price of charging your car on the road. but most people in britain can't charge their car at the road in flats because they live in flats they live in and they get fined. >> if you put your cable. >> if you put your cable. >> no. yeah. no. jojo. interrupt him. interrupt him. no, no. >> if you can't pay your bill across the street, you get a fine in kensington or something, i don't know. >> so the number of electric cars is going down, and they're saying it caused £148 to go from penzance to london. three weeks. >> yeah. oh, i get this. >> yeah. oh, i get this. >> don't be angry with her

because she did a joke. that's herjob. because she did a joke. that's her job. jeez, louise. why irony? no she's interrupting me. >> and you're. >> and you're. >> you're leaving her with much better stuff . this is like better stuff. this is like irony. next from the mirror. >> jojo, somebody tweet me over here. >> irony from the mirror. jojo >> irony from the mirror. jojo >> irony from the mirror. jojo >> irony from the mirror m reform uk flogging save britain t shirts. but embarrassing labels. but they are made in bangladesh and like everything, i don't think anything is any clothing made anywhere else but bangladesh? china >> that's that's the exact right point. the point is, is they don't make t shirts in britain because britain is an industrial country or knows how to make t shirts. they don't know how to make t shirts. so big deal. >> but i mean, surely, again, i mean, they can't be that stupid. they must know that they bought where they bought their merchandise from. so why are they not? why are they not they not? why are they not pre—empting the idea that they pre—empting the idea that they will get? can i give you my will get? can i give you my theory? >> yeah, because the whole point theory? >> yeah, because the whole point is they're like, let's rather is they're like, let's rather than import bangladeshis to make than import bangladeshis to make the t shirts here. yes they're the t shirts here. yes they're going, let's send the t shirts going, let's send the t shirts to be made in bank. it's like a, to be made in bank. it's like a,

it's like a double bluff, i tell you. >> i've met enough reform people and i don't think that that's smart to do that. it's a very it's like too clever. >> but i tell you what, my biggest point is £15 for at shirt. yeah but the reform people are super. >> they're big fans. and you're going to find out when you get all these abusive tweets after £15. >> 50 i can't wait. >> is that what you're saying? that's nothing. >> £15 for a t shirt, at that's nothing. >> £15 for a t shirt, a t shirt made in bangladesh, right? >> jojo does this independent story make your inner rage explode? right. >> so pixar's inside out two, which i haven't watched but was a slap in the face for lgbt+ disney fans? well, get in the queue because disney have been annoying me for a long time. because the representation of women i mean, i don't know how many dead mothers are there. you don't see bambi ? lots. we've got don't see bambi? lots. we've got bambi, pocahontas , tarzan, fox bambi, pocahontas, tarzan, fox and hound, lilo and stitch. i could go on. there's not a good representation of parents or women in disney, so yes, when it comes to queer representation, disney has never put its money

where its mouth is. basically, disney doesn't like anyone apart from princesses. apart from princesses. >> that's a that's the first i've heard what i know for a fact is, is that disney owns abc news, and abc news is very woke and left wing . and so and so is and left wing. and so and so is disney. and disney's been bad? please, can i finish this sentence? >> okay. no, no . >> okay. no, no. >> okay. no, no. >> she's like my girlfriend. >> she's like my girlfriend. >> we don't have time for you to go off like that. what i will say is that this is positive because the executives at disney said, take out all the gay stuff, and then it became their big, massive hit of the year. finally, we have the mirror, a story about dvds. lewis. they're kind of like vhs, but they look like cds. >> i don't read story 19. >> i don't read story 19. >> you didn't read story 19. you didn't think we'd get there? there you go. your arrogance, your hubris. >> i know their story . >> i know their story. >> i know their story. >> teenagers travel hours to visit one of the britain's last dvd stops. you've got, go, go, go. right. >> well, because of the business. so we're going retro and people want to take their videos and they want to watch it because they will watch it

amazon put them bookshops out of business. so, yeah, we'll all get back to the original. the point is, there are no good films on netflix and there's no good films on blockbuster ehhen >> right? the show is nearly oven >> right? the show is nearly over. let's take another quick look at saturday's front pages. the telegraph i took free clothes two, admits chancellor. i weekend eu reveal the price of starmer's softer brexit. daily mail starmer hit by calamity poll. the sun fired was like saville, epstein and weinstein. i can't say i can't say it properly. i don't think spain are going to get cross with you all the times. labour u—turn on freebies and finally, daily express heartless 86% of poorest pensioners will lose fuel. help those with your front pages. thatis those with your front pages. that is all we have time for. thank you very much to my guest lewis schaffer and jojo sutherland, we are back tomorrow at 11:00 pm with steve and alan hosting and young bucks, jonathan kogan and adam coombes on the panel. you're watching 5 am. stay tuned for breakfast by. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather

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today, they could cause some issues potentially some flooding. there's going to be lots of lightning and large hailstones as well. eastern scotland, north—east england likely to stay fairly glum. a bit of drizzle is possible along the coast and over the hills, but generally staying dry and certainly plenty of sunshine once more. in western scotland there will be some sunshine further south as well. the hit and miss nature of those thunderstorms, though. that's why we've got the warning in place. they could cause some disruption. certainly a lot of spray and surface water on the roads, so bear that in mind. parts of the midlands, wales, southern england most susceptible, but some heavy showers across eastern england too. in the sunny spells it'll feel quite warm, mid 20s, possibly 20 or 21, in western scotland, but where it stays glum in the east coast it will be cooler and that cloud is back again on sunday and the heavy showers across the south as well. we have another yellow met office warning in place for sunday, covering large parts of england and wales for wet weather, with the thunderstorms today and tomorrow, that extra rain could cause some further

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