gb news. >> oh good afternoon. hello out there. it is midday on saturday. the 21st of september, and this is the weekend on gb news and i hope you're having a smashing weekend out there. now we're gonna talk politics. >> labour party delegates gather in liverpool ahead of their highly anticipated conference. it comes as the party faces internal disputes and is accused of hypocrisy. is keir starmer's honeymoon well and truly over the honeymoon from hell, isn't it? to the honeymoon from hell, isn't it.7 to be honest. and nigel farage closes his party conference this afternoon . the conference this afternoon. the reform uk leader has assured supporters his party can take power at the next election if it works fast, are becoming more

professional. we're live in birmingham and you don't want to miss what they've got to say, and in an airborne spectacular , and in an airborne spectacular, 700 paratroopers from eight nato nafions 700 paratroopers from eight nato nations are commemorating 80 years since hundreds of allied soldiers parachuted from military aircraft into nazi occupied netherlands as part of a daring world war ii offensive. we're live on the ground throughout the afternoon and again, it's incredibly emotional and stunning scenes there. i am indeed dawn neesom and this is the weekend and it starts right here and now . here and now. but now i always say this the favourite part of my day here is talking to you lot out there. so andifs talking to you lot out there. so and it's all about your views. it's not about me or my wonderful panels. it's about what you think, what you want to talk about. so it's very simple to get in touch as well. let me

your thoughts on all the stories we're discussing today or it's the weekend. and if you want to chat about really just visit gbnews.com/yoursay and join our conversation, keeping me company . conversation, keeping me company. this, our wonderful panel for you is a former leader of ukip, henry bolton, and former labour advisor scarlett mccgwire. thank you very much. they got off to a flying start by sitting in the wrong chairs. i mean, come on, what can you do.7 it's wrong chairs. i mean, come on, what can you do? it's a weekend. we'll let them off, shall we? it was. yeah, it was scarlet. that's not very gentlemanly. blame scarlet , honestly. but blame scarlet, honestly. but before we get stuck into today's stories, let's get the news headunes stories, let's get the news headlines with the very lovely sophie reaper looking gorgeous in blue. here she is. >> thank you. dawn. it's just after midday. and these are your latest headlines. today is day two of the reform conference in birmingham with speeches expected from senior members of the party last night, the party's leader, nigel farage, told supporters that he believes

reform can win the next general election , given the number of election, given the number of people that agree with their principles . people that agree with their principles. he also people that agree with their principles . he also explained principles. he also explained what drove him to stand as clacton's mp once the general election was called earlier this yeah >> at almost every level we've been betrayed. and then i thought about what was happening on our streets and frankly, i thought to myself , britain is thought to myself, britain is broken . and then i couldn't help broken. and then i couldn't help it. but if britain is broken, then logically britain needs reform. >> mr farage will also give the farewell address later this afternoon. sticking with politics, angela rayner has announced plans to make irreversible changes to devolution laws. that's across the entire north of england. speaking ahead of her speech at the labour party conference tomorrow, the deputy pm has committed to handing powers back to areas such as lancashire, greater lincolnshire, hull and

east yorkshire. she also said that the new government will harness potential in the economy in order to allow innovation and growth to bloom in every part of the country . this afternoon, a the country. this afternoon, a march for palestine will make its way through the streets of liverpool, organised by the palestine solidarity campaign. the group say their demands include ending the genocide, stopping the arming of israel and saying no to war in the middle east. they also say they will be directing these aims towards the government. at the labour annual labour party conference, which begins in liverpool tomorrow . this year liverpool tomorrow. this year marks the 80th anniversary of operation market garden and the battle of arnhem celebrations in the netherlands. this weekend will commemorate 80 years since 1900. allied troops parachuted into the then occupied country with the aim of recapturing the bndges with the aim of recapturing the bridges of arnhem throughout the morning. the contemporary equivalents of those men are recreating the drop at ginkel heath in ada, jumping from an aircraft into the same place our

troops would have landed eight decades ago . a snap poll has decades ago. a snap poll has opened today , as members of the opened today, as members of the national education union will vote on pay and funding. teachers and education professionals in the uk will have until the 30th of september to either accept or reject the government's offer of a 5.5% pay rise. this comes after chancellor rachel reeves agreed in full to follow the recommendations of the school teachers review body . the met teachers review body. the met office has issued a further weather warning with heavy rain and thunderstorms forecast for the rest of the weekend. the alert will remain in place throughout today, covering wales, the midlands , the wales, the midlands, the southwest and parts of the south east. the forecaster has warned that people should expect damage to buildings as a result of lightning strikes. disruption to pubuc lightning strikes. disruption to public transport and flooding, all within the affected areas . all within the affected areas. those are your latest gb news headunes those are your latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophie reaper more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign

up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to gbnews.com the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much sophie. and she has got matching shoes as well to die for this afternoon. and we're off to a flying start talking fashion. okay, nicholas. afternoon, nicholas. crikey dawn reaching for the sunglasses with that jacket. i thought it was bright and cheerful. come on, we're going into autumn. pat. hi, pat . going into autumn. pat. hi, pat. dawn. wow. beautiful coloured jacket. sunglasses on. ha, ha. thank you very much . and this is thank you very much. and this is christine. i love your message. christine. i love your message. christine dear god, that jacket. thank you . the set looks like thank you. the set looks like a pride flag on steroids . well, i pride flag on steroids. well, i mean, okay, it might be a bit of a fair point. oh, look, it's the last day of summer. we've got some cold weather coming up. we talk about weather later. don't go too far, so i thought i'd be bright and cheerful. not working? maybe. and if anyone else mentions that i would rather be watching west ham

potentially lose to chelsea, you're wrong. i'd rather be here talking to you, believe me. right okay, so let's get straight into today's story, shall we? and now this is amazing. in an airborne spectacular 700 paratroopers from eight nato nations are commemorating 80 years since hundreds of allied soldiers parachuted from military aircraft into nazi occupied netherlands as part of a daring world war two offensive. we thankfully have the very lovely reporter charlie peters out there for to tell us what's actually happening. charlie. lovely to see you. weather looks fantastic there. very, very emotional day. can you bring us up to date on what's actually happening today? >> i'm afraid me, i'll do little. >> well good afternoon. yes, it is a gorgeous day here. similar conditions to those that were enjoyed by the glider pilots who first landed here at ginkel heath in the netherlands on the 17th of september, 1944. they landed at this area, which is quite similar to salisbury, where airborne forces often train in the united kingdom, and their first obstacle was not

nazi resistance, but the great joy nazi resistance, but the great joy of the dutch. they had come to liberate the dutch. delighted to liberate the dutch. delighted to see the pegasus flag of the union jack's forces arriving, the british airborne forces turning up to liberate them, but very quickly those conditions were replaced by two fierce fighting german panzer divisions of the waffen ss . now several of the waffen ss. now several more parachute drops occurred over the next three days, and they dropped into what was described as a cauldron of thirst. the most si king that airborne forces had ever experienced, many in the parachute regiment. now, 80 years on, say that this battle honouris years on, say that this battle honour is the greatest due to the intensity they had and put on me. now today we have been commemorating that the men . as commemorating that the men. as you said, dawn, those 700 paratroopers jumping in from eight different countries and.

ship british. >> charlie. lovely. i think we're unfortunately losing the link to you. we will come back. but i have my wonderful panel here to talk to such a commemorative day. such an amazing day. and obviously the nine days. september 1944, 80 years, nine days of fighting and 6000 8000 men went out there . 6000 8000 men went out there. 2000 men returned. so henry , i'm 2000 men returned. so henry, i'm coming to you. henry bolton, a former leader of ukip, but also military background. what does today mean to our military? >> well, the airborne forces, it obviously means a huge amount . obviously means a huge amount. this was a classic airborne operation with the aim of seizing key terrain, in this case, five bridges to enable then 30th corps, the armoured forces. if you like to drive forward across those bridges and create a salient into german

held territory with a view of disrupting german defensive operations to a large extent it worked. but of course the famous and all the bridges were taken apart from the bridge at arnhem, which i mean, it was as the film is entitled, a bridge too far. but it's a it's an amazing operation, an amazing feat of arms, not for just what it was , arms, not for just what it was, but also for the boldness, the ambition of a military plan, the courage required by the leadership to take on what was an incredibly risky operation. and, you know, maybe, perhaps, you know, there were lessons learned from it, certainly in our airborne forces across the western world are designed having taken into account lessons from that operation. but i think, you know , the nowadays i think, you know, the nowadays we are far more averse to risk in the military and politics as societies than and i wonder whether that operation would ever have taken place now if it happened today. i'm not quite sure. the falkland islands were

the last such operation that involved the parachute regiment as well. >> of course, it does make you wonder. i mean scarlet it's become arnhem has become a byword for the fighting spirit of the british people. what i mean , obviously you don't have mean, obviously you don't have the military background that henry does, but what does today mean to you? just watching , you mean to you? just watching, you know, the current, parachutes , know, the current, parachutes, you know, landing in that area. it is incredibly emotional. >> no, it is incredibly emotional. and you think of those men who who parachuted down and not knowing what was going to happen at the bottom, you know, i mean, that it was it was incredibly brave. i think henry is wrong about the risk of us. we were in the middle of a war right now. we know it was coming to an end, but we were in the middle of a war. they were doing all sorts of things that i mean, in some, like, like those landings are, were were wonderful and brave. didn't quite come off. but actually and

others, you know, frankly like blitzing german cities so that you were just, you were killing, you were just, you were killing, you know, women and children. you were killing anybody are not a good idea . so i think the a good idea. so i think the thing about being in war is you do all sorts of things. i think now , no, of course you're going now, no, of course you're going to think twice before you do something. i mean, the attrition rate, i mean, you said 8000 men went 2000, came back 41,000. yeah, but but but but but the british i mean 4000 people were dying. i mean, you know, if you go to europe, i mean, all over europe, you know, there are graveyards for people who died in the second world war. >> i've been on military operations lviv war fighting military operations and i, i agree with what you say, but i'm also well aware that senior commanders now are expected to exercise far more restraint than they were then. and i'm not saying that's a bad thing. i'm not saying that at all. but

there was a boldness about that operation, which i wonder whether we would see if we were in similar circumstances today. and thank god we're not. >> but i think the thing about that boldness was that they weren't killing. i mean, this was army against paratroopers against army. right. what what the boldness that one worries aboutis the boldness that one worries about is when the civilians are getting killed. okay. >> we are coming back to that because we are going to watch. we're going back to hopefully we'll get charlie's link back up. we are going to watch the actual, the major bit, which i believe is taking place at 1230. so don't go too far for that. but we are moving on briefly now, sir keir starmer and his cabinet are en route to liverpool ahead of the labour party conference, which begins tomorrow. the build up has been dominated by issues that have marred successive tory governments, haven't they? donors freebies, cronyism, you know, all the usual. we're used to it now, aren't we, and not to mention bitter feuds in number 10 as well. and oh yeah, the

increasingly bleak economic outlook , which we have been outlook, which we have been warned about. how many things can only get worse. yeah the prime minister reassured his party on friday that he is completely in control and will try to put this past week behind him , galvanising labour once him, galvanising labour once again . but is the honeymoon again. but is the honeymoon penod? again. but is the honeymoon period? well and truly over well ? period? well and truly over well? trying to explain how labour are going to deal with this one is, gb news tom harwood, who is live in birmingham for us, tom. i mean, this has been called the honeymoon from hell in the one of the newspapers today . labour of the newspapers today. labour got a lot of work cut out, making this a positive conference, haven't they ? conference, haven't they? >> they certainly do. who would have thought that the mood would be quite so dour heading to in 4 or 5 days of the labour party convening together just two months after winning a handsome election victory in the house of

commons. of course, the largest parliamentary majority since the days of tony blair. it was a stunning electoral success for the labour party, and yet , just the labour party, and yet, just two months in and the mood has somewhat turned, the personal ratings of sir keir starmer have been plummeting and the labour party is below 30% in the polls. well how can this be part of it, of course, is the fact that this large parliamentary majority that the labour party won was won on a historically low share of the vote, just 34.9% of those who turned out voted for the labour party. and it was in many ways the fact that the other parties were quite so unpopular that labour was able to cruise to victory. but upon taking office, upon entering number 10, they have found many of the same problems that bogged down the previous government. these issues of sleaze, these questions of donations, but also, frankly, the tough decisions that the labour party

has said it now must make in power that it didn't signpost dunng power that it didn't signpost during the election campaign . during the election campaign. nowhere in the labour party manifesto was the idea that they would remove the winter fuel allowance from millions of pensioners . nowhere in the pensioners. nowhere in the labour manifesto was this idea that tax rises might fall. whether it's on inheritance tax, whether it's on capital gains tax, whether it's on the way in which council tax is divvied out, all of these are now on the table ahead of what is probably going to be a pretty bruising budget. and that makes not the not not the rosiest backdrop for what should have been a victory lap for the prime minister. instead, i feel that going into liverpool, where the labour party is holding its conference, people are arriving through today , tonight and tomorrow. i today, tonight and tomorrow. i get the sense that it's not quite as happy a conference as otherwise. you might have thought . thought. >> there's only one says i'm in control. i instantly think they

are not in control. and that's what we've heard from keir starmer. i mean, he doesn't seem he can even control his his office with sue gray in a, in a bitter fight with with their head civil servant. she's also been revealed as earning more money than the prime minister, which was something she was warned wouldn't be a good look. and it is proving not to be a good look. is sue gray going to dominate? what's happening in the conference when we should be talking about moving forward ? talking about moving forward? >> it's never a good sign when the adviser, the person behind the adviser, the person behind the scenes, the chief of staff or whoever else it is becomes the story we'll remember when alastair campbell became the story for tony blair. well he didn't last much longer after that point. you remember when dominic cummings came the story behind boris johnson? he didn't last much longer past that point, but i think there's a deeper issue here than the fact that sue gray has paid more than the prime minister and has, by all accounts, had quite a lot of

control over downing street moving people's offices around to try and play personnel off one another and all of the rest of it that we've been reading . of it that we've been reading. the deeper story, as you alluded to, is the bitter factional war that appears to be playing out behind that shining black door to number 10. it seems that there are various groups. simon case of course, the cabinet secretary in this war with sue gray, the prime minister's chief of staff. but also the prime minister's election guru, morgan mcsweeney, the man sort of behind the starmer project, seems to be in loggerheads in this sort of war, with sue gray as well. people might be forgiven for assuming that they're fighting like rats in a sack in number 10, and that's one of the reasons why we've had this pretty confused media approach. it doesn't look like they've been able to control the stories that have been emanating from the political world in the last few days. that sense of a lack of control feeds into all

other elements in government. now, what the labour party might say to this is, of course, their new inter—government . they're new inter—government. they're just getting things sorted, and they say that an almighty mess was left behind by the last guys. but i think it's fair to say that a lot of people knew what the state of the economy was a lot of people knew that there would have to be some tough decisions made, and perhaps one of the big errors of the labour party is they didn't make that clear to the electorate or clear enough before the election took place. >> tom, you're actually in birmingham for us, which is where we did have a party conference over the last couple of days. that was a party. they had fireworks , they had goodie had fireworks, they had goodie bags. i've never seen so many turquoise ties in one place. the reform party are closing up today. we're hearing from nigel farage later. that seems to have gone quite well . gone quite well. >> yes, it's strange walking around this conference here in birmingham. you wouldn't think that this is a party that only

had five mps. you'd think that this was a party on the edge of government. i don't know how much of that is bravado and how much of that is bravado and how much of that is bravado and how much of that is delusion . but much of that is delusion. but certainly this is a very optimistic party here in birmingham. and it's a professionalising party just this morning. the members here have passed a new constitution for reform uk taking the party out of the sole ownership and control of nigel farage and giving it a more democratic structure so that members can for vote new leaders, have no confidence votes in leaders and all the rest of it. it feels like this is a professionalising party, but my goodness, do they have a mountain to climb if they want to get more than that sort of beachhead in parliament. of the five mps they were able to elect in the general election, the optimism here, however, is striking because they feel that the new government is running into many of the same issues the last government did. nigel farage yesterday said that perhaps the reform party has a once in a century opportunity to

break through, given how much of a mess the other parties are in. >> indeed , absolutely. we will >> indeed, absolutely. we will be coming back to you, tom, and i believe you will have lee anderson with you at one point. anderson with you at one point. and we're also looking to hear from nigel farage himself with the closing speech. thank you very much for now, tom harwood. now for all the best analysis and opinion on that story and much more, please go to our website gbnews.com. and of course, don't forget to let us know what you think gbnews.com/yoursay and get your comments coming in. read them out, i'm dawn neesom and this is gb news and after the break i can tell one of them's at least frothing at the mouth over this one. i'll be getting my thoughts one. i'll be getting my thoughts on the thoughts from my panel. that's former leader ukip henry bolton and former labour adviser scarlett mccgwire. so you don't want to go anywhere because scarlett is literally frothing at the mouth. but first, let's have a quick break and we'll see you

soon. hello there you are. welcome back to the weekend with me , back to the weekend with me, dawn neesom, jen, keep the messages coming in. i do love them. as i said, my favourite part is jen. love, love, love your yellow jacket. thank you very much. not to mention the highlights in tom's hair. i hadnt highlights in tom's hair. i hadn't noticed tom's highlights. anyone notice tom highlights? well, we'll have a look . well, we'll have a look. >> was that the lighting? >> was that the lighting? >> well, it might have been the lighting . lighting. >> i have never known. >> i have never known. >> maybe he's going grey. >> maybe he's going grey. >> who knows? as you can see, i've still got scarlett and henry bolton with me now , before henry bolton with me now, before the break, we. you joined us live from the reform conference. as we looked ahead to labour's turn tomorrow. live from liverpool. that's going to be interesting, isn't it ? so, as interesting, isn't it? so, as i said, i've got scarlett and henry bolton with me still. so you were. you were literally frothing a little bit there. you could have frothed some more dramatic i will, i, i will take criticism and i'll go back to where i think criticism is done. >> but can i begin with when tom twice said that nobody knew

about the tax rises? i think every labour shadow minister got asked about the tax rises during the campaign and what they said. is there will be no rise in national insurance, no rise in vat and no rise in general taxation. and they and when they said so and they went no, everything else is up and so and everything else is up and so and every commentator wrote that up, we knew that there were problems. what they didn't quite know was , was that all the money know was, was that all the money that no money had been set aside for public sector pay. so that that's that's why that all happened ? i think that actually happened? i think that actually i'm hoping she says. i'm hoping that that what they're doing is, is they're rolling the pitch, telling us it's all going to be awful. and actually, it's not going to be that terrible when the budget comes out. i love your eternal optimism, i really do. >> i mean, you know, i mean ,

>> i mean, you know, i mean, consumer confidence has gone through the floor. we saw a report today, didn't we, saying that i know, i know people are battening down the hatches. we're frightened to spend money. we're frightened to spend money. we're frightened to make it. we're frightened to make it. we're frightened to move house. we're frightened to move house. we're frightened to buy cars. we're frightened to buy cars. we're frightened to do anything because we have been told things can get worse. can only get worse. >> yeah, well, i hope scarlett's right. and. and the, the horror that might be coming to us in that might be coming to us in that we're sort of starting to expect in this budget isn't going to be realised, i hope. i hope you're right, going to be realised, i hope. i hope you're right , scarlett, hope you're right, scarlett, however, i think labour's problem is isn't quite so clear cut. it's very. it was. yes, it was very, very clear that when ministers were saying, was very, very clear that when ministers were saying , well, ministers were saying, well, we're not going to tax this and this and this and we're not going to increase taxes on that. the implication was that they were going to tax other things, but they, they they had an idea . but they, they they had an idea. i just don't believe they didn't have an idea and they weren't clear on it. but i think also, you know, the, the there were indications before even may, keir starmer stood up in the house of commons and he slammed into the conservative government

then for just thinking about winter fuel allowance cuts now and then. what's happened within two months they cut it , you two months they cut it, you know, you can't tell me that that was wasn't deliberate. and when they say that, well, there was this unexpected £22 billion black hole, they still haven't really defined what that black hole was and what caused it. but but that, you know, if there was a 22 billion black hole, well, it's been this government's decision to spend 11.6 billion on on helping other countries to deal with climate crisis and it's this government's choice to spend 9 billion on public sector salary increases. now, i don't you know, you can agree or disagree with those decisions. they're the government. they are entitled to make those decisions. but when they make decisions. but when they make decisions that basically amount to £22 billion and then say to the to the country, well, we're broke because we, you know, the previous government left a black

hole of £22 billion. if you hadnt hole of £22 billion. if you hadn't spent that money, you'd have filled that black hole. >> look, we had to. the thing about the public sector workers, let's be very , very clear on it. let's be very, very clear on it. so no money had been put aside. they had to be paid something. they had to be paid something. the strikes were costing the country an awful lot of money, let alone you know, what it what it meant to individual people, to people whose, whose, whose operations were being cancelled. i mean, i mean, i had a very serious operation that was put off for weeks, and, and, and, and the teachers. so we had, we had to do it not, not giving them a proper pay rise. i think. and, and i think that we then we then had to look at the books and to say , where is this money and to say, where is this money going to come from? >> whilst i think there is a problem with public sector pay, you know, policing, nursing, the armed forces , all sorts of armed forces, all sorts of people, i don't think that problem was anywhere near as bad

with the railways, whatever they say. and there are very few people on the centre right of british politics who can accept for a moment that those strikes weren't largely political in order to damage the conservative government as much as possible. so they were not orientated towards, you know, i mean, i wish to god that i earnt what a train driver earns , i don't i train driver earns, i don't i earn about a third. okay you know, these are not people who are on the breadline and, but we are on the breadline and, but we are now placing around 10 million pensioners in a very difficult position, not just financially, but in terms of anxiety and so on as well. >> i'm just going to jump in here because i think we've got some lovely live pictures coming in from the netherlands, where we are commemorating the anniversary of arnhem. and there you can see i think this is the main parachute drop that's due to take place at 1230 today. obviously we're commemorating the 80 years, 17th to the 26th

of september. in 1994. arnhem, a bndge of september. in 1994. arnhem, a bridge too far when , it became . bridge too far when, it became. there we go. that's amazing, isn't it? and this is the modern day paratroopers recreating what happened 80 years ago , when happened 80 years ago, when i think we've also. we can go back to charlie now, can we? who is actually out there for us to describe exactly what's going on on the ground? charlie, are you there ? there? >> hello? yes, i am. this is the second of two mass drops now , second of two mass drops now, 350 troops landing paratroopers from eight different nato nafions from eight different nato nations of the 700 who gathered here for this commemorative airborne deployment in the ginkel heath. this is where the men first landed from the 17th of september, 1944, for the start of operation market garden . start of operation market garden. garden was the ground operation. the 30 corps armoured or armoured units moving up from

normandy to establish a corridor up to arnhem, fighting for many months to reach there but market the airborne armada. the aerial float that came over from england. tens of thousands of paratroopers. they arrived on this location here and 80 years ago, on the first day it landed with glider troops. also establishing the landing zone for paratroopers. it was a relatively mild and pleasant landing. i mean, one of the troops even said it was like a ”appy troops even said it was like a nappy drop. he could have walked off, got a cup of tea and a slice of cake. it was like training on the salisbury plain, but very quickly the germans reacted to these landings. landings that you're seeing commemorated and re—enacted now, and panzer divisions from the waffen ss deployed rapidly to counter attack. counter—attacking was a core part of the german tactics and procedures during the second world war. and we're seeing troops now jumping from the royal air force atlas a400m. that's their vehicle. those are our troops jumping out now from

16 air assault brigades . contact 16 air assault brigades. contact team. i'm seeing more troops from the british army also jumping just behind them in the early deployment from 16 air assault brigade, we saw the chief of the general staff, sir rowley walker. we also saw the commander of the brigade , the commander of the brigade, the commander of the brigade, the commander of the first division, the fighting division that is represented from 80 years ago, and all four commanding officers of the parachute regiment doing what they do, leading from the front, not fighting in a way that they don't expect their soldiers to also do , fighting soldiers to also do, fighting alongside them earlier today, before this parachute drop, we also heard from the king of the netherlands . he spoke very netherlands. he spoke very passionately about the links between britain and the netherlands, and one of those senior commanders gave an emotional speech tearing up as he concluded, saying one of his final acts as a paratrooper now would be to salute the men who fought and fell here 80 years ago. we see now these are

british paratroopers coming to down ginkel heath, where 80 years ago they started that campaign. it was a heroic , campaign. it was a heroic, audacious, gritty operation . audacious, gritty operation. ultimately, it was a failure. field marshal monty wanted to establish a bridgehead into germany by bypassing the siegfried line of german defences in the french—german border. but his audacious plan wasn't achieved as the airborne forces in markets were not relieved by the 30 corps division from the ground. they didn't make it in time. and so that bridge in arnhem, eight miles away from here, was a bndge miles away from here, was a bridge too far. lieutenant colonel john frost defended the north side of that bridge for four days. the men on the final day, high on the experience of fighting with no food, limited water, running out of ammunition, just pure adrenaline to try and hold off the waffen ss panzer divisions that were fighting back from the south side, they adopted a defensive

perimeter around the bridge, but they just couldn't hold on. well, the demonstration we're seeing now, all touching on the ground , a safe parachute jump as ground, a safe parachute jump as they make it down, they will be thinking of the words that field marshal monty spoke of them as they made those jumps. he asked what manner of men are these that wear the maroon beret? they are firstly all volunteers and are firstly all volunteers and are toughened by physical training. as a result, they have infectious optimism and that offensive eagerness which comes from well—being. they have jumped from the air and by doing the execution of all peacetime duties . from are in �*y�*7 ~ the execution of all peacetime duties . from the in f—c�*f ~ the execution of all peacetime duties . from the alry�*f ~ the execution of all peacetime duties . from the air and m7 ~ the execution of all peacetime duties . from the air and by ww ~ the execution of all peacetime duties . from the air and by doing ~ jumped from the air and by doing so, they have conquered fear. so, they have conquered fear. and just to my left, now we're and just to my left, now we're about to see some more men about to see some more men conquer fear as they continue to conquer fear as they continue to make those parachute jumps into make those parachute jumps into ginkel heath, honouring their ginkel heath, honouring their military forebears and their military forebears and their brothers in arms, who did the brothers in arms, who did the same 80 years ago. phil same 80 years ago. phil marshall, monty said their duty marshall, monty said their duty lies in the varne of battle. lies in the varne of battle. they are proud of this honour. they are proud of this honour. they are proud of this honour. they have the highest standards they are proud of this honour. they have the highest standards in all things, whether it be in all things, whether it be skill in battle or smartness in skill in battle or smartness in the execution of all peacetime the execution of all peacetime

dufies. dufies. the execution of all peacetime duties . they are in the execution of all peacetime duties . they are in fact men duties. they are in fact men apart , every man an emperor. and apart, every man an emperor. and these men falling from the sky, now gliding towards ginkel, heath will be feeling like emperors wearing the cloth of their country. it's a light uniform , but it will feel uniform, but it will feel especially heavy as they carry the weight of responsibility of carrying the airborne spirit and the airborne reputation into a new era for the united kingdom. and 16 air assault brigade. as i said, dawn, this operation was ultimately a failure, but year after year, the parachute regiment come back here. they come back to arnhem because of all their battle honours. this is the one where they feel some of the greatest pride. they fought bravely in the falklands, the battle of goose green, where so many fought uphill against an argentinian resistance. they have no shortage of honours in iraq. in afghanistan and some of the hottest and bloodiest days in helmand . but it's at arnhem, in helmand. but it's at arnhem, where all fresh recruits into

the parachute regiment, referred to as joe, joined on enlistment, are sought to explain and learn from these experiences because they show all the characteristics of a paratrooper grit and determination against all the odds, going feet first into the danger they called this landing drop that we're in now. hell's cauldron . because after hell's cauldron. because after the first day, that easy, gentle landing by the glider pilots, the german resistance was so severe, some of the strongest divisional commanders and indeed the best capabilities in the german military at the time were here. and that was the tragedy of arnhem.

here. and that was the tragedy of a10,000 just eight miles put 10,000 men just eight miles away from that last bridge, he needed to capture , was certainly needed to capture, was certainly an opportunity for them to get that revenge. the very first contact that these troops that you're landing and seeing now had 80 years ago was with prisoners of war that they captured from the ss, those that they took, they were real fanatical nazis. they were battle hardened. and they had all the latest ss equipment. so very quickly things did not go as expected. the plan quickly unravelled. the logistics, the communications and the enemy were not as they anticipated, but they showed great bravery. they showed great daring spirit. they showed great daring spirit. they showed great daring spirit. they showed what it means to be a paratrooper of the highest traditions in the british army. and that's what we're seeing again today. that is the display you're seeing from these forces honounng you're seeing from these forces honouring their forefathers and their forebears in the maroon machine, charlie . machine, charlie. >> and that's a wonderful summation there. thank you so much for, for giving that all

that information. amazing. that's charlie peter's alive in arnhem there for us. and just quickly coming to you, henry, because you have served in the military. what does it mean? charlie was a brilliant background there. incredibly well done . what does it mean to well done. what does it mean to the to today's army air force men taking part in something like this, >> i think the military looks at these sort of operations in the past, as their forebears, their ancestors, if you like, because the military is very much a family. and you look back and you think, you know , although you think, you know, although many of the people who are jumping today didn't necessarily have relatives, ancestors who jumped 80 years ago, for them, it's the same thing. it's the paratroopers of a former year , paratroopers of a former year, and they will be taking great pride and inspiration from that. but also the standards they will be absolutely passionate about maintaining the standards of discipline. audaciousness determination, physical health

and well—being, teamwork. all of these things are strengthened in a military unit every time, every unit. this is the airborne forces. but every unit in the british army looks back to over hundreds of years, perhaps , you hundreds of years, perhaps, you know, to the 1700s, the 1800s, to some of the things the incredible feats of human resilience and determination and belief that that we're or they were achieved through exercising those the spirit of man, that that nowadays today's soldiers i think are absolutely determined and are reminded by things like this to maintain those standards and not to let down those standards that somebody else has. >> so important to remember what those who went before and the sacrifices they made and the other thing i wanted to make, very briefly, if i may, i mean, tom mentioned iraq, afghanistan, the falklands. >> you know, there's bosnia, there's kosovo, there's macedonia. 16 airborne brigade

was in kosovo. i paved the way for 16 airborne brigade to deploy , i, you know, there are deploy, i, you know, there are recent conflicts in which these people jumping today. i'd just like to remind everybody it's not just a commemoration. these are operational troops , many of are operational troops, many of whom will have been and many of whom will have been and many of whom will have been and many of whom will be involved in operations involving deadly use of force, you know, and we should remember that, that's why those standards and that history is so important and it means a lot to the people of arnhem as well, who still every, every anniversary, go and lay flowers on the graves of those who lost their lives. >> and, well, i mean, the people of arnhem and, and the people of the netherlands know, you know , the netherlands know, you know, that 6000 people lost their lives trying to liberate them. i mean, that's what it was about. and actually, you know, that's what these mostly young men, i mean, they were mostly very young, weren't they, who were doing it and, and it's

incredible. and i mean , so my incredible. and i mean, so my dad was in the second world war and it was i mean, what was interesting was sort of how he slightly changed. well, particularly about nuclear, i mean, about, you know , it's mean, about, you know, it's first of all, we everything we did was right. first of all, we everything we did was right . and then he sort did was right. and then he sort of he saw he saw what it meant. but but he like, i mean, you know, he was one of the lucky ones. i mean, he was in the navy, the ships. he was on, 1 in 2 people died. i mean, those young men were amazing. >> yeah, absolutely. i just want to read one message, this is from pi. is it, as an explorer, i'm so glad i'm so proud of those men who fought at arnhem. i believe even if they knew what would happen, not many, if any, would happen, not many, if any, would have chosen not to go. the current generation could learn from these men what respect and duty actually means, and i think we'll leave that one there for now. i'm dawn neesom and this is gb news and there's lots more coming up on today's show. we'll be back at the reform uk conference as nigel farage gears up to give a speech in birmingham. don't get too far.

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liverpool, isn't it? in liverpool that's going to be interesting as well, isn't it? so let's carry on with the debate. we're having before we watch the amazing parachute drop in arnhem and scarlet. we've talked a little bit about labouh talked a little bit about labour, so let's look back at what reform were doing over the weekend. what do you make of their party conference? >> well, i think it's very easy to be the young, rebellious , to be the young, rebellious, radical people, which which is. >> what are you talking about, nigel farage? >> well, i'm not talking that he's young, but it's a young party. and the thing about nigel is whatever he said went. you know, he made up. he made up policy whenever he felt like it. the manifesto was was an amazing wish list with no price on it. >> and that's not just reform that do that. no, but but talking to paul johnson from the institute for fiscal studies, he did say he said he said no, no, it was as bad as the greens. >> right. those were the two that he absolutely put it put in, but actually if you're going to grow up and have a proper membership, then the trouble

begins as any of us who come from parties with rather large memberships, no, i mean , it'll memberships, no, i mean, it'll it'll be very interesting because then the other thing is, when we talk about professionalising, it's about time nigel farage became a professional mp and actually visited his constituency. that's what you're supposed to do. you're supposed to look after your constituents. you're supposed to represent them . supposed to represent them. >> okay? i mean, henry, you know , >> okay? i mean, henry, you know, as a former ukip leader, you would be expecting to be supporting reform. >> and but i look , i look. >> and but i look, i look. >> and but i look, i look. >> tell me more. >> tell me more. >> no, look, i wish reform well. and i actually think that they are quite provocative, obviously. but in doing so what they are doing is they are reminding some people of what conservatism means to an extent. you know, the conservative party is busy part of the conservative party, certainly not all of it. it's thinking, right, what what how have we given these people the opportunity to establish themselves and grow? because surely, you know , the sort of

surely, you know, the sort of patriotism, not nationalism , patriotism, not nationalism, protecting our borders and all this sort of thing. they're sort of our traditions and customs and so on. that's all a rule of law. that's all good conservative stuff. surely isn't it? you know, we've left that open to these people, and that's absolutely right. and it's good that reform have been doing that. i think. but at the same time, i totally agree with scarlet, a lot of the reform policies sound really , really policies sound really, really great, superficially you you dig below the but yeah, yeah , i below the but yeah, yeah, i mean, but you know , we've mean, but you know, we've already heard at this, this conference about stopping the boats. and i am passionate about stopping the boats. and i would to love see a royal naval destroyer out in the channel grab these people and drive them to the french beach. and i'd be going, yeah, yeah, like half the country would , but it's. that's country would, but it's. that's not reality. it's all very appealing. it's like going to sort of watching a boxing match or something, you know, and you're, you're the guy you're supporting comes out on top or a

football match, you get all carried away and emotional about it. if we rein that back a bit and rather soberly look at all the obstacles they can be overcome. but actually this rhetoric that's coming out of reform making out that it's just so simple. you've just got to be determined to get the royal navy into the channel. actually drowns out the sensible, pragmatic , thought through and pragmatic, thought through and knowledgeable responses that could be applied. and that's very frustrating for me particularly. i think also the reform of reform, which needed to happen. i wonder whether it is going to happen because to an extent, i sympathise with ben habib on this when he says, well, it's actually still very much yes . you know, nigel's not much yes. you know, nigel's not going to be legally in control, but in practice with a board basically appointed by nigel, you know, and the members only

being able to ask the board to consider removing the person who's appointed them. the in reality , it's very difficult to reality, it's very difficult to do it. and i wonder how much the members will actually get a say in, in, in policy. because i know having led ukip a party that nigel. basically yes. created into what it was , i know created into what it was, i know that branch chairman branches members take up a massive amount of your emotional, intellectual and sort of managerial time because , you know, you've got to because, you know, you've got to manage them, but it's no different to arnhem as a company infantry company commander , your infantry company commander, your biggest piece of work is looking after your soldiers. and sometimes you despair and you're exhausted by it. but they are your greatest asset. they are the asset without which you would not be there. and if nigel, in a sense, doesn't change his culture in that respect, then it doesn't matter

what they do in any other respect, in any other way. >> nigel has been saying they've been telling the members at the conference that they want to emulate the lib dems, and he never thought he'd say that ehheh never thought he'd say that either. i'm quoting nigel now. you know, the lib dems are build branches and they win seats at district council and unity level. they put literature through the doors, they target their local areas. so that sounds like that's nigel's plan. >> i'd just like to say i'm not. i'm a big fan of what nigel has achieved. i think he's made his legacy vulnerable. now, if he doesn't truly and sincerely want to reform this party to turn it into a real party. >> do you think that will work for them? scarlet building like the lib dems are targeting individual local areas. really concentrating, i think local issues i think it's a lot more difficult than you think. >> and i think i mean, i think one of the problems that i find, i mean , when, when i'm, when i'm i mean, when, when i'm, when i'm on nigel farage's programme is, is the inherent anti—muslim bias in it. and that's what worries me about reform is that actually

there's a lot of, oh, you know, these people are very difficult. and actually what that means that on the ground, you've got to be very , very careful of who to be very, very careful of who you're working with because because what we don't want i mean, what i mean , you know, i mean, what i mean, you know, i don't particularly want reform to be successful at all, but what i really don't want is, is for reform to be picking up, you know, a load of sort of racists who who go out and say, i mean, because one of their things is, is the real problem with britain. every problem comes down to immigration. well it doesn't actually to be to be fair to nigel farage, he did say we are the grown, we're grown up, we're rooting out that kind of people. >> we are now going to be a serious political party and concentrate on growing local support. >> yeah. and then so he's got to work out how to do it. i mean, it's like one of the things he said was, you know, we'll get rid of nhs waiting lists in five years. yes. i mean come on, we

don't like to do that. yeah. you know, i mean i mean, yeah . and i know, i mean i mean, yeah. and i did call his he didn't call it a manifesto, did he a contract i mean it was a wish list. it was a wish list. and as henry said, you know, lots and lots of stuff that one could sign, but but how do you do it? how? i mean, you know , as the conservatives, the know, as the conservatives, the labour before them, wes streeting is discovering the nhs is tough. >> i think unfortunately, we're running out of time on this one. we are coming back to it and we are going to hear from farage, later on. and we are going back to the conference where we have our lee anderson also going to talk to us. i'm dawn neesom and this is gb news and coming up, we're live in birmingham where we're live in birmingham where we're hearing from that lee anderson. so don't go too far. put the kettle on but don't go too far. we'll see you very sooi'i. 500“. >> soon. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on .

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gb news. >> oh, there you are. good afternoon. it is 1:00 on saturday, the 21st of september, and this is the weekend on gb news. and i hope you are having a very, very good weekend indeed. now a laboured conference for keir starmer. delegates gather in liverpool as the party faces internal disputes and is accused of hypocrisy. is the pm's honeymoon the honeymoon from hell? it's being called tonight. well and truly. over and in the next half hour we will be going to nigel farage as he addresses his party conference. the reform uk leader has assured supporters that his party can take power at the next election if it works fast,

becoming more professional. we're live in birmingham . to we're live in birmingham. to hear from nigel himself and in an airborne spectacular , 700 an airborne spectacular, 700 paratroopers are commemorating 80 years since allied soldiers parachuted into nazi occupied netherlands . we're live on the netherlands. we're live on the ground throughout this amazing event. a wonderful event to witness. i'm dawn neesom and this is the weekend . this is the weekend. but this show is really , but this show is really, honestly nothing without you and your views and oh blah blah blah blah. where is it? i've lost your name. i do apologise, but thank you very much for saying i look lovely in that jacket. and i bet you brought it yourself. yes i did, my sugar daddy is taking the weekend off, unfortunately. but as i said, please keep your views coming in on all the stories we're talking about today. reform labour

arnhem . anything you want to arnhem. anything you want to chat about? basically really simple to get involved, just visit gbnews.com/yoursay and join in our conversation. and i say our conversation because keeping me company this hour is a cracking panel for you. political commentator jonathan lewis. thank you very much jonathan. amazing trousers. you can't see them. lucky you. and former conservative adviser claire pearsall who's left the husband at home for once. evidently he's working. who knows? but before we get stuck into today's stories, here is the news headlines with sophie reaper. reapeh >> thank you. dawn, it's just after 1:00. and these are your latest headlines . today is day latest headlines. today is day two of the reform conference in birmingham with party leader nigel farage expected to give the farewell address later this afternoon. last night, mr farage told supporters that he believes reform can win the next general election, given the number of

people that agree with their principles. he also explained what drove him to stand as clacton's mp once the general election was called earlier this yeah >> at almost every level we've been betrayed and that i thought about what was happening on our streets and frankly, i thought to myself , britain is broken streets and frankly, i thought to myself, britain is broken . to myself, britain is broken. and then i couldn't help it. but if britain is broken, then logically britain needs reform. >> and in the last hour nigel farage has signed over ownership of the party, meaning he could feasibly be removed by a vote of no confidence going forward. unlike most political parties, reform uk was originally formed as a limited company, with mr farage holding most of the shares, but as of now the reform leader has relinquished the ownership and members will now be able to vote on party policies . this afternoon, a policies. this afternoon, a march for palestine is making

its way through the streets of liverpool . organised by the liverpool. organised by the palestine solidarity campaign. the group say their demands include ending the genocide, stopping the arming of israel and saying no to war in the middle east. they also say they'll be directing these aims towards the governments at the annual labour party conference, which begins in liverpool tomorrow . this which begins in liverpool tomorrow. this year marks which begins in liverpool tomorrow . this year marks the tomorrow. this year marks the 80th anniversary of operation market garden and the battle of arnhem celebrations in the netherlands. this weekend will commemorate 80 years since 1900. allied troops parachuted into the then occupied country with the then occupied country with the aim of recapturing the bndges the aim of recapturing the bridges of arnhem. throughout the day today, the contemporary equivalents of those men are recreating the drop at ginkel heath in ada, jumping from an aircraft into the same place our troops would have landed eight decades ago. earlier, brigadier mark berry told gb news how it feels to be there on the ground today. >> i think the struggle that soldiers felt here on the

ground, the very, very difficult conditions that they faced, epitomise what any one of us feel we could be called to face in the modern era. and therefore we come here to commemorate the bravery of those who went before us, to and challenge ourselves to think about their bravery. and will we be brave enough when our time comes ? our time comes? >> and finally, the met office has issued a further weather warning with heavy rain and thunderstorms forecast for the rest of the weekend. the alert will remain in place throughout today, covering wales , the today, covering wales, the midlands, the southwest and parts of the south east. the forecaster has warned that people should expect damage to buildings as a result of lightning strikes, disruption to pubuc lightning strikes, disruption to public transport and flooding, all within the affected areas. those are your latest gb news headunes those are your latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophie reaper more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign

direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much, sophie. now i just want to quickly mention some of you are getting very, very annoyed with scarlett mccgwire , who we had on as on mccgwire, who we had on as on the first half hour for saying that if you support reform, you are racist. now the point of having people like karen scarlett on here is to have different opinions. we don't cancel anybody on this show she is entitled to. she wasn't stating it as fact. she was saying that is her opinion and she's entitled. this is what debate is about. however, to get the balance, we are now going up to birmingham where the reform uk conference is underway . and uk conference is underway. and joining me now is gb news tom harwood, who is with reform's very own lee anderson . tom, good very own lee anderson. tom, good to see you again. and you've got lee anderson with you. i believe now . how. >> now. >> i do indeed, he's sitting right next to me. so let's dive straight in. lee, we were just

heanng straight in. lee, we were just hearing from a member of dawn's panel that in her belief, people who voted for reform uk are racist. what do you say to that? >> well, what a load of nonsense that is. and what sort of evidence has this? who is this person on the panel? who is he ? person on the panel? who is he? scarlett mccgwire, the former labour adviser. oh, dear, dear, deahi labour adviser. oh, dear, dear, dear. i don't know why you have her on. to be honest, she's a lovely lady. she's got no proof at all. ask her right now. what's the proof is. what's the proof? >> we'll come back. we'll come back to the studio. >> they use this, this, this racist term. what they use all the time. tom. it's a lazy argument to have a pop at people like me and nigel and the rest of the reform party. they have absolutely no proof whatsoever. they need to get a grip. >> it is, of course, something that has dogged the party and dogged nigel for a while. this this sort of, association. i suppose. what has this conference do you think, done to try and move past some of those associations and frankly, some of the candidate issues that we saw in the general election, we've seen. >> well, we are, as you know, a

start up party. but what we've seen this weekend, tom, is 4000 members from all over the country, all different, you know, different colour skin, different religions all come together in one big building to celebrate the success of reform. this country does need reform and this scarlet lady is coming out with these ridiculous comments. honestly, i want her before she comes on the next show to produce some proof that reform or nigel or myself are racist, or made a racist comment. and you know what? they can't. they cannot do it. >> okay, well, park that issue. yeah park it. because this has been the first professional conference of the reform party. i went to the conference last yeah i went to the conference last year. it was a 10th of the size of this. nigel farage has been saying this week that he feels this party is coming of age. what does that mean? >> it does. it is coming of age. because like i say, tom, 4000 people in there. i think next year there's going to be 8000 people in that room. we've had nearly 3000 new members in the

last 24 hours. sign up to join reform uk the excitement out there is unbelievable . people there is unbelievable. people coming up to me saying they want to be councillors, they want to become mps, they want to deliver leaflets, they want to get involved, they want to raise, raise money. you know, the main two parties, tom, have, quite frankly, let the public down. the public are very nimble now in their voting. they can pick and choose now which way they're going to vote. and people see us as a credible option. and the speeches yesterday were brilliant. the atmosphere in that place, there was something i've never experienced before. you know, you go to look at the other conferences coming this week and they'll be sat there talking to each other in the audience, not even listening to the main speakers every single. and i am biased because i was speaking yesterday, but every single speaker in there yesterday was a different class. >> it is interesting in your speech, you decided to take out a letter that you had received from the television licensing people and rip it up on stage. what was that about? >> well, you know, my opinion on the bbc. and listen, i've always said ever since i stopped paying

my tv licence that the bbc would not get another penny off me and they've got a bit of a cheek. keep sending me reminders to pay my tv licence. i'm not paying anything that funds the pension of like huw edwards. >> do you think that this potentially puts you at risk of imprisonment? do you watch live television? >> no. listen, you can come round. they can knock on my door and they'll get told to clear off. wow. that is. how does that grab you? >> there are, of course , people >> there are, of course, people who have been fined, who have been sent to prison for non—payment. >> yeah. you get sent to prison for non—payment. i don't watch live tv. i get all my stuff off. i watch it on netflix, but i don't watch much tv. to be honest with you, tom, i think it's a bit of a cheek. it's a poor service. it's we've seen just, you know, just this week over the last couple of weeks with this, this other scandal, this huw edwards scandal. i'm not paying my money to an organisation that does that. absolutely shocking. they should be ashamed. in fact, in fact, this director general , whatever this director general, whatever his name is, the sort of money that they've been paying huw

edwards over the years, they should pay that to the victims of these children, these , these, of these children, these, these, these children who are victims. >> it's a strong statement. your your speech yesterday repeatedly used the mantra, i want my country back. what does that mean to you? >> well, if you probably if you ask somebody like scarlett mccgwire, she would probably say that's racist. but in my speech, i want my education system, our health system, law and order, defence, immigration system, our borders. i want them to go back to them, to how they used to be when they used to work in this country. it's as simple as that. >> this has been a moment at this conference where a lot of people are talking about the next election, assumed to be 2029, and the possibility that the reform party could win that election is that a credible thing to say? >> i mean, if you said that to me , you know, 4 or 5 months ago me, you know, 4 or 5 months ago when i first joined the party, i would have said, you know, you're crazy. but now, i mean, look at the start. sir keir starmer has had the conservative party are in a real mess.

they're going to pick a leader more of the same , and you know, more of the same, and you know, the political ground if you like. tom is quite fertile at the moment for a new party to grow. we are growing thousands of new members, lots of volunteers. like i say, the two main political parties, people are switching off from them and people will come out. they've got an alternative now, a credible alternative, and they're going to see what's gone off this weekend and they're going to come out and vote for us. it took 30 to 40 years for the labour party to grow from a handful of members of parliament to being in government, and only then with a minority administration at the start of the last century. >> why do you think that reform could do it faster? >> there was no tiktok then, was there? tom moore social media or any of that sort of stuff? people are more switched on now. they're more alert. they're not getting the news. a week later, they're getting it just like that. and that's what they love about, you know, about the social media age. we live in. they can keep up to date. they can keep politicians like me. we're accountable. it's instant. it's in their hand, and people are really engaged. it's like a soap opera at the moment. politics, it really is. and the people of this great country of

ours have got a stake in it. >> lee, i'm going to have to stop you there, because nigel farage is speaking on stage. let's listen in. >> party and this nation's future is. are you ready ? future is. are you ready? mish. it's time . it's time. >> i don't think we're going to be listening in because we can't really hear nigel. but we'll try and get him back as soon as possible. lee. still with us? what do you imagine nigel might be saying, >> pretty much what he's been saying all weekend. which is? the country needs reform. we are a growing party. the people's army are out in mass this weekend. there's a real sense of political optimism. people think that there is a credible alternative now. they think reform is the way forward. we're

listening to people. you know, politics is not that difficult, tommy, in my opinion. go home, have a weekend like i do. listen to people in your constituency. go back to parliament the week after and ask the same questions they're asking. and that's what they're asking. and that's what the reform mps are doing in parliament at the moment. the people out there can see that and they want more of the same. >> of course, a colleague of you, of yours has been in hot water this weekend in the financial times. they're saying it's a disgrace that he donates his salary to charity. i'm talking, of course, about rupert lowe. >> i mean, i mean, which idiot has said this? i mean, it's unbelievable. there's been a sudden, i think, since we, since we got elected, the five mps, there's been a sudden influx of idiotic comments from from people like this. rupert lowe, he's a wealthy man. we know who he's a wealthy man. we know who he is. but to donate £5,000 a month to local good causes, i mean , that's great, surely. i mean, that's great, surely. i mean, that's great, surely. i mean, more of that , please. mean, more of that, please. >> there have been anonymous mps from other parties saying that it makes them look bad by comparison, and that they're quite upset by this. >> i don't know why they're upset about it. it should be encouraging this sort of

behaviour. and these anonymous mps, they are they probably are anonymous in their own constituencies, tom. most of them. and it would be the usual labour lot, i suspect . them. and it would be the usual labour lot, i suspect. i suspect there's a few tories in there, but at a time when we've got a prime minister accepting, you know, glasses and suits , his know, glasses and suits, his missus is getting dresses and frocks and whatever is going to football matches raking in thousands. and i've said it before and i'll say it again. keir starmer is the uk's most prolific scrounger, possibly the biggest in europe. >> it is extraordinary how this new government has sort of fallen into the traps of the last government of course, for a time you were a conservative mp. do you see parallels between the sort of mild scandal that we saw about halfway through the last administration happening just two months into this one? >> it's like a blind hypocrisy. i mean, when it was things were happening within the conservative party. the labour party was very quick to call these out and go on every single platform and make a song and dance about it, but hey presto, just ten weeks after being elected, they're doing actually

worse. i mean, the prime minister of our country on a massive salary is taking freebies like this. it's unbelievable. i think he took more freebies than anybody. and they've actually stated now that i think him and angela and rachel reeves aren't going to accept any more free clothes. i mean , what the hell is going on? mean, what the hell is going on? >> of course, what they might say is that this is all within the rules. people are allowed to accept donations . you can accept donations. you can declare your donations on your own register of interest. i mean, this is this is normal. this is politics. >> yeah, but they keep saying the people with the broadest shoulders have got you know, they've got to take the hits whilst we're in a little bit of a mess at the moment. and it would appear that if you're a politician earning really good money, good salary, good expenses, that you can put your hand out, put the begging bowl out and some rich donor will come along and kick you out, kick you out with a new set of clothes. it's wrong. >> why do you think it is that keir starmer has £1,500 glasses? >> i don't know, i don't know. i've never seen a pair of spectacles for £1,500. tom, i don't know. it's probably some

top designer brand. i don't know what, what brand it is, but it's probably a bit of a show off. is he? i don't know, he likes to wear his designer stuff. go to the arsenal matches. i don't know , i mean, a box eight grand know, i mean, a box eight grand at a game for a box at arsenal. he needs that for his security. look, rishi sunak, he used to go to the southampton games and sit with the crowd. i go to forest games and sit with the crowd. it's a load of nonsense. it's freeloading. >> it's a it's a strong it's a strong term to use against the government because of course, they might say that this is an unfair criticism. >> why is it strong? it's freeloading, sponging. it's scrounging. it's getting freebies left, right and centre. tom, that is sponging. if you was in the bar last night, which i'm sure he was , and you didn't i'm sure he was, and you didn't buy a pint all night and. and i was buying all your drinks, people would accuse you of being a sponger. it's the same with sir keir starmer. >> it's a it's a it's a heavy charge because this is a government that has said it's stuck to the rules. do you think that it matters whether or not they stuck to the rules? >> well, i think you should show a bit more nous political nous if i'm honest. tom, you know, people are struggling in this country, you know, struggling to heat their homes and the labour

party has been banging on about for the past. goodness knows how long. as soon as they come into power, they get caught out. they've been caught with their trousers down. they're at it. their snouts in the trough. and i tell you what, if labour conference, i think, starts tomorrow and there'll be some unhappy members there, tom. really unhappy. >> well, i will test the mood of the floor in liverpool at the labour party conference. i'm off there this evening, but for now, lee anderson, thanks very much for joining us and for standing in for nigel farage when we couldn't quite hear what he was saying. back to you, dawn. >> thank you very much, tom, and please pass on our thanks to lee. actually, very strong comments, in response to scarlett mccgwire there. so let's see what my panel will make of what they've just heard. i'm joined by claire pearsall and jonathan, liz, clare , i'm and jonathan, liz, clare, i'm going to come to you first. i mean, lots of people very, very angry about scarlett's comments , angry about scarlett's comments, implying that reform supporters are all racist, that is her opinion. people on this show are entitled to their opinions as you are entitled to your

opinions out there. what do you make of what you heard lee anderson just say in response to that ? that? >> i mean, it's quite a bold statement to have that opinion of a party, to suggest that they're racist without putting up some proof. >> now, we all know that, that you should be able to stand something up if you're going to put it out there as a fact. so i think that that's something for scarlett to answer in due course. but i think lee anderson is just a man who speaks exclusively in sound bites. things like, you know, i want my country back. well what does that mean? and i kind of want to see a little bit more from reform if they are putting themselves forward as the new government come 2029, then i want to see a little bit more professionalism, a little bit more grown up behaviour. and i think that lee doesn't do himself or his party any favours by exclusively making comments like that, that also he can't stand up. so it works all ways. >> okay. and jonathan, you were ,

>> okay. and jonathan, you were, i mean, just i say one thing about kim, a few comments under your breath. >> i'll say one thing, i'll say one thing about keir starmer. he doesn't earn an extra £100,000 presenting tv channels, presenting tv channels, presenting tv channels, presenting tv shows on gb news as lee anderson does. three years after three years after three years after lee anderson , three years after lee anderson, said if you need an extra 100 k a year on top of being an mp, then he should really be looking for another job. and then he complains about people with their snouts in the trough that doesn't wash. and as for the other comments, well, to be fair, there are plenty of labour politicians who he was attacking them. he was attacking them. if he if he said mps should be allowed to have second jobs and earn an extra hundred k, there wouldn't be the charge of hypocrisy, then he has no right to complain about anyone having their snouts in the trough. and as for the islamophobia, here's what he said on twitter. he said about sadiq khan he's given our capital city away to his mates. i don't actually believe the islamists have got control of our country, but what i do believe is they've got control of khan and they've got control of khan and they've got control of london. that is a nakedly

islamophobic statement. and he only made it because khan is muslim. the idea that khan is any more pro—islamist than any other politician in this country is only can only be based on islamophobia. and if lee anderson wants to sue me for saying that, then i'll welcome it, because that is islamophobic. >> i mean, to be fair, i called him out on that earlier in the year and had so much abuse for doing so. so i think it works all ways. you have to be careful. you have to be moderate in what you say. you're free to have an opinion. absolutely. but i think that just as much as scarlett has to back up her opinion, i think lee anderson also has to be able to back up his and comments like that on social media and the way that it will then go viral and go round and people will take it as fact. and i think that's a slightly more worrying thing for a politician, is to state something like that and then almost throw your hands up and just go, well, he doubled down, he doubled down on it, and even even that is why he actually left the conservative party, because they had that even even the conservative party leadership had to accept that that was unacceptable. >> and that's after that. as we

know, anderson jumped ship and joined his third party in as many years. >> to be fair, lee isn't here to defend himself, and we will as soon as we get the sound issues sorted out. go live to nigel farage. but i mean, lee anderson is a working class bloke. he's talking in the language that people understand . his defence people understand. his defence would be that it wasn't racist . would be that it wasn't racist. this is just how it is coming across to people . across to people. >> i think it's i think that does working people around the country an incredible disservice to say this is language that they understand. this is racist language . they understand. this is racist language. i'm they understand. this is racist language . i'm not saying that he language. i'm not saying that he is a racist. i'm saying that this was a racist thing to say. and i think that there are millions of working class people around the country who managed to get through the day perfectly well without being islamophobic, and i don't see why lee anderson can't be the same. i mean, i mean, obviously moving on from the racism allegations that scarlett made, it wasn't an allegation in her opinion. >> the reform party conference

seemed to be at least positive, unlike what we're expecting labour to come outwith. >> yeah. and i mean, i think that if you if you just look at party conferences, generally you're talking to people who support your message. they want to be there. they've paid to be there. they are your voter base. so it's always going to be speaking to the converted. but it did look as if it had much more energy than i've seen from other party conferences over the years. and i've attended a fair few of those. and there was there was more excitement in the room. so let's hope that they have something to offer those people. and perhaps the rest of the country, because it's no good just preaching to the 4000 people in the room. when you want to run a country, you need to appeal to a much broader base. >> i think that's a really good point, because farage talks about the silent majority supporting reform. well, let's look at the raw figures. in the last election, when we had the biggest opinion poll, that you can have , 14.3% of voters went can have, 14.3% of voters went for reform. that is not a silent

majority. that is a quite a vocal minority. so if the only way that farage could ever even dream of the higher power to which he obviously aspires is by a hostile takeover of the conservative party, the people who should be most alarmed by this speech are the people in the conservative party who are currently in complete division and disarray. it's not. it's not easy for farage to take over this party, but someone like jenrick, who is positioning himself robert jenrick, who's positioning himself as an ersatz version of nigel farage, a kind of slightly pinker version of the red meat that he is, is appealing to. that is that it's never going to win the country round. and if there are enough people in the conservative party who prefer what they see than farage does actually stand a good chance, not necessarily of taking over the conservative party, but maybe making a new party that draws in a lot of former tories. >> to be fair to robert jenrick, in my interpretation of what he was talking about, was there's nothing wrong with being proud to be english, but he couldn't really back up what he meant.

>> and i think that's the problem you put out there and say, well, people aren't proud to be british or english or whatever statements. and it was like, well, what does that mean ? like, well, what does that mean? what british identity? what are you talking about? and he got really, really stuck with trying to explain that. and if you're hoping to be a leader and bring a party back together again, which i very much hope that somebody will don't make open ended comments like that. if you don't have the knowledge to back it up, because again, it just sounds like headline grabbing and he looks a little bit reform light. it's not what the conservative party actually need in my opinion. for anyone gets angry and what we see, what we've seen over the last few years is that when people want something, they will vote for it. >> they won't vote for something else. that's a substitute that's slightly more respectable. they'll go for what they want. >> this is it. and they don't. people don't want to be patronised. and i think by offering them up, this is where reform does have a place in politics, because it is offering a political home to people who are incredibly angry at the way the two main parties have behaved. so i think that both labour and conservative need to

understand that the country demographic has changed the way people vote has changed the fact that many people don't . vote as that many people don't. vote as well. i think probably more people don't than than i've ever seen. you've got elections coming up next year, which will, i think will be really, really interesting. bunch of local elections . let's see what the elections. let's see what the candidates put forward. because at the moment i think all parties are struggling to get a message across. >> i think we can go back to the reform conference now where we have tom. do we still tom harwood still there? tom yes, unfortunately we couldn't get the link back up as nigel farage still speaking or what has he said , said, >> no. dawn, as you can probably tell from the rising level of hubbub here at the conference, nigel has finished speaking, and the members of the party who were in the room have started filtering out here, and you can sort of see them just over my right shoulder signing up to various local chapters. this is what the message of today at the

reform conference is all about. just galvanising . not just just galvanising. not just galvanising the membership, but driving it towards action. the party know they've got a mountain to climb. if they want to professionalise and pursue what they called. at least yesterday, a liberal democrat strategy of really embedding in areas of support, as we all know, the reform party got many more votes than the liberal democrats, but dozens fewer seats. the liberal democrats on hundreds of thousands of fewer votes got 72 seats, and the reform party on 4 million votes got just five seats. so it really matters not just how many votes you get, but where you get them. and this is a message of professionalising , of professionalising, of understanding, of building that infrastructure, of building these local parties. that's what this is all about today. part of thatis this is all about today. part of that is that new constitution that is that new constitution that nigel farage was speaking

about, that was signed, that was voted on by members. now, of course, this isn't a private company wholly owned or at least majority owned by nigel farage. this is now a political party proper that is owned by its members. if they so wanted to, they could now remove nigel farage as leader. although i have to say, speaking to people here in this hall, it doesn't look like that is likely any time soon. so what this is about today is something that is more than just the fireworks and the pizzazz , the razzmatazz of a pizzazz, the razzmatazz of a party conference and all the flair of a speech. this is about the hard graft that needs to take place in the coming weeks. and months. it's all very easy to be engaged in politics when you're listening to a galvanising speech surrounded by fireworks. but what really matters in politics is what happens on a rainy tuesday evening in february . that's when evening in february. that's when that's when the real politics happens. that's when that's when the real politics happens . that's when doors need happens. that's when doors need

to be knocked upon. and that's when embedding really happens . when embedding really happens. upon building political organisations. that's the challenge for this party. are they up to it? their local elections are in may of course. they've got a mountain to climb to try and locate that support, to try and locate that support, to build that party structure. only time will tell if they can do it. >> thank you very much. that's tom harwood from the closing speeches of nigel farage, which unfortunately we couldn't bring you live because of the sound issues there, well , summarising issues there, well, summarising what nigel has said, that they're looking forward to going forward and building on that strength, that they have the strength, that they have the strength of support that has been shown there. i'm dawn neesom and this is gb news. there's loads more coming up. demonstrations by just stop oil and pro—palestine marches have a massive effect on policing, says the met commissioner, mark rowley, himself . that and much rowley, himself. that and much more at this very short break. >> i'll see

soon. >> it's just after 1:30 and these are your latest gb news headunes. these are your latest gb news headlines . today is day two of headlines. today is day two of the reform conference in birmingham, with party leader nigel farage giving the farewell address this afternoon. last night, mr farage told supporters that he believes reform can win the next general election, given the next general election, given the number of people that agree with their principles. he also explained what drove him to stand as clacton's mp once the general election was called earlier this year. >> at almost every level we've been betrayed. and then i thought about what was happening on our streets and frankly, i thought to myself , britain is thought to myself, britain is broken . and then i couldn't help broken. and then i couldn't help it. but if britain is broken, then logically britain needs

reform. >> this afternoon , thousands >> this afternoon, thousands have gathered for a march for palestine, making its way through the streets of liverpool. organised by the palestine solidarity campaign, the group say their demands include ending the genocide, stopping the arming of israel and saying no to war in the middle east. they also say they'll be directing these aims towards the government at the annual labour party conference, which begins in liverpool tomorrow. this year marks the 80th anniversary of operation market garden and the battle of arnhem. celebrations in the netherlands this weekend will commemorate 80 years since around 1900. allied troops parachuted into the then occupied country with the aim of recapturing the bridges of arnhem. throughout the morning, the contemporary equivalents of those men have been recreating the drop at ginkel heath in ada , the drop at ginkel heath in ada, jumping from an aircraft into the same place our troops would have landed eight decades ago . have landed eight decades ago. and tonight, anthony joshua will challenge daniel dubois for the ibf world heavyweight title at a

sold out wembley stadium. the all—british fight will see joshua try to take the title from dubois in an attempt to join the likes of muhammad ali, lennox lewis and evander holyfield by becoming a three time world heavyweight champion. things remained relatively calm at the weigh in yesterday, although both fighters have said they will do whatever it takes to win . those are your latest gb to win. those are your latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophie reaper. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much, sophie. lots of you are very angry out there and understandably so. gbnews.com/yoursay if you want to join in being angry, angry at scarlett in the first hour, angry at jonathan. this hour. i

mean, please do. >> i know my role. i know my. >> i know my role. i know my. >> yes, exactly. no, but i mean, it's like, tell that left wing loony. >> i think i think it might be you. i think they mean you. >> this is david. hi, david. by the way. it says lee anderson speaks my language, so. yeah. and dave says, tell jonathan this. if we'd had proportional representation, labour would not be in power, which is something they're probably, you know, with they're probably, you know, with the lib dems on. well, i support proportional representation. >> so bring it on. >> so bring it on. >> okay. well absolutely interesting. da da. what's this one? this is jon. jonathan. this is always the voice of the left. he is always going to hate the potential of reform to become the party of government. well, that's fair. >> that's a fair comment. i am on the left. >> you are? i do, yeah, yeah. >> yeah. sorry, claire. not a lot of comments about you really makes a change. a few about your husband, but i mean, he's not here to defend himself either. what has he done? >> he's a leftie. >> he's a leftie. >> what more do you want to say? >> what more do you want to say? >> no one's perfect. okay. >> no one's perfect. okay. >> no. right. as you can still

see, i've got the wonderful claire pearsall and not so lovely according to you lot, not me. jonathan, listen to me. >> traitor. >> traitor. >> so don't you . >> so don't you. >> so don't you. >> don't. don't you like me? i mean, i don't want to. i don't want to alienate the nation. >> you do, i do, i do , i like, i >> you do, i do, i do, i like, i like, i like people to come on this show with strong opinions because that is what it's about. >> and it gets the debate going. and that's what gb news is about. we've had lee anderson talking. we've had scarlett mccgwire, we have jonathan lis, we have claire pearsall, and now we have claire pearsall, and now we can talk about keir starmer as well , him we can talk about keir starmer as well, him and the cabinet are en route to liverpool ahead of the labour party conference, which begins tomorrow. the build up has been dominated by the issues that have marred successive tory governments, hasn't it? a donors freebies , hasn't it? a donors freebies, cronyism, bitter feuds in number 10 and an increasingly bleak economic outlook. the prime minister reassured his party on friday that he is checking notes completely in control, and will try to put this past week behind him, galvanising labour once

more. jonathan, as soon as in my mind, anyone says i'm completely in control, the very last thing they've got is control. >> yeah, it's like yourt they've got is control. >> yeah, it's like your t shirt >> yeah, it's like yourt shirt is answering questions. is asking questions already answered by the t shirts? yeah it's not a great thing when a prime minister, two months into their tenure has to go on the media and say, i'm completely in control. this is not ideal. and, you know, i'm not a member of the labour party. i'm not a labour spokesman, but i am a communist, according to a lot of our viewers. well, well, your viewers seem to know me better than i know myself, but i'm not. i'm not actually a communist, but i am on the left. and obviously i want labour to do well . and this is not doing well. and this is not doing brilliantly. i think we have to separate this issue out, on the one hand, there is the issue of donations, political donations, which is a problem for every single political party because we don't have a publicly funded model of politics in this country. and that means that politics, political parties, politicians themselves have to be funded by private donations, and that always leads to complications , because complications, because sometimes, and i and i hope in

the majority of cases, donations are made in the public good. but obviously we know because we're all people, that when you give something, when you pay something, when you pay something, you might want something, you might want something in return. you know, when we go to the shop, i'm not i'm not giving £5 to a supermarket and expecting nothing. obviously i want something in return. and so that is something that we have to we could have a broad conversation about how politics is funded, but then there's the other issue, which is kind of more simple , i suppose, which is the simple, i suppose, which is the freebies. it's okay. i think, for a prime minister or their spouse to take some kind of gifts. you know, we want our prime minister and, and their spouse to look their best when they're going out in public and i think it's fine. for example, if a designer wants to showcase their work and showcase british talent and offer some complimentary dresses to the prime minister's wife, i think that's fine. but obviously there is a balance to be struck and it seems as though they've got they've got this wrong. and so i'm glad that they've made the announcement. they have it. >> a lot of people are struggling to understand how the starmer family, with a combined annual income of £200,000, can't

buy their own suits and glasses. >> well, i mean, and i think that that's right, they should fund their own clothing. and i don't really think it's for designers to offer up a couple of frocks either when they can afford to purchase those themselves. i think it is a really bad look for politicians to take freebies like clothing, glasses, holidays, which boris johnson did all the time. of course, as there are no clean hands. course, as there are no clean hands . okay. and that's the one hands. okay. and that's the one thing that you and i will agree on here, that politics is a very, very funny business. but i think if you need to be transparent and in this particular instance, there are a couple of labour ministers now very senior, who were not transparent. they took money, they put it down on the register of interest as office costs, help with setting up an office or whatever. it was work related. no, it went on clothing. so if you're going to take it, at least be transparent. if this was a conservative politician that had done the same, labour would be screaming from the rooftops , and

screaming from the rooftops, and rightly so. i don't think it is for an individual donor to start handing out all of that cash to dress a prime minister when he can do that himself . the rest of can do that himself. the rest of the country doesn't get the choice, whether they have their glasses purchased for them by someone else. >> i agree with you, claire, but at the same time, as you pointed out, this is this is an issue that has dogged politics. i don't think that when boris johnson, for example, accepts a houday johnson, for example, accepts a holiday that labour was crying about, that i don't think that was an issue per se provide. i think it was the lack of transparency that was a problem with that very, very vocal. >> keir starmer, in particular, very vocal in his criticism about the wallpaper, the wallpaper was different because that was about disclosure and loans and, and an attempt to kind of do something on the sly that was that was different, that was that was different, that was that was different, that was investigated by the parliamentary authorities. >> and johnson was found to have broken the rules. so that's a different issue from this, which was seen as an oversight, declaring, yeah, yeah, it was. >> and he does know the rules on declaring he has been an mp for some time. he does know that you have to do it within a time limit. >> i thought that the issue was

that he was declaring it for himself. and i think there was an issue where he declared something late a couple of years ago. but there was something about that he didn't know whether he needed to declare a gift for his wife. and then it turned out that he did. and so they declared it. look, i don't think that there is an attempt at a cover up here. i don't think that starmer is a particularly grasping individual, but i agree with you that it looks bad. and i think that it looks bad. and i think that they've misjudged the politics. and i think the broader issue here, and i've written about this in my new column for by—line times, which is available in all good supermarkets, is about labour complacency, labour is it seems that the whole ming vase strategy that they had where they were being very, very careful to not upset anyone. now they've won the election. they kind of think, oh, well, we can just smash the vase and we don't care if we're unpopular. now there's a difference between not looking at opinion polls every day and actively courting unpopularity. i think that is the risk right now that they're almost sort of challenging or sort of scorning popularity or defying people not to like them. thatis defying people not to like them. that is not a viable long term approach. >> i mean, labour's approval

ratings are in freefall now, aren't they? >> they are. and they're just looking very, very amateur. if you have been in preparation for government, which labour insists that they have been for some time, then you would know that you need a properly good comms strategy for when these stories come up, because it is inevitable that something comes out of the woodwork. you can't always foresee it. but to double down on it, to not deal with the issue for days on end. it's been leading the media now for the best part of a week and then to say, oh well, actually, sir keir starmer, rachel reeves and angela rayner will not accept clothing as gifts. well, okay. now that's open to interpretation. so those three aren't going to accept clothing as gifts . well what else would as gifts. well what else would they accept. are they going to accept holidays, cars , whatever accept holidays, cars, whatever it is? what about the rest of the cabinet? i think that if you're going to make bold statements like that, you need to do it quickly. you need to take it when it arises , but also take it when it arises, but also leave no room for , an opinion to leave no room for, an opinion to form. in the meantime , you need form. in the meantime, you need to make it down, isn't it? >> and see if the papers carry

on with the story. >> but also don't leave yourself open to sort of saying, oh well, it's only clothing i'm not going to accept because everyone's just going to go, well. well, what about the rest of it? >> we know it's the comms strategy, but they want to kind of put this to bed before conference and hope that the newspapers find something else to talk about. i agree with you that if the newspapers want to pursue this, then they all probably have to increase the increase the scope of the analysis. >> and it's too late. why has he left it until pretty much the eve of conference to shut the story down, when it should have been done a lot sooner? >> the thing is that, look, we are extraordinarily because it seems like we've been it's been quite a long time , but it's only quite a long time, but it's only 18 months into this government, and there are going to be a lot of things that happen between now and the election. i don't think that we'll be talking about this in a year's time. i think there'll be a lot more things that will be that will have gone wrong by then, i presume, and hopefully some things have gone right as well. but what i'm saying is that i don't think this is the game changer that say partygate was that i just i disagree though, i think that people will move on from it. i think if this kind of low level sort of political illiteracy, if you like,

continues, then they've got a real problem. but if they can nip this stuff, then it'll be all right. >> i completely disagree on the on the very fact that i don't think people are going to forget that when you're freezing granny at christmas, but you're wrapping yourself up in a load of nice clothes paid for by someone else. >> that is what message, isn't it? >> that is what people are going to look at. >> yeah, that was a huge mistake that the fuel cuts, by the way, we're tightening our belts or they're tightening their designer belts. >> indeed somebody else . right, >> indeed somebody else. right, coming up, we're moving on, demonstrations by just stop oil and pro—palestine marches have had a massive effect on policing, says the met commissioner himself, mark rowley. and costing you a lot of money well. that, and much

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from 6 am. only on gb. news. britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> hello, there you are. you slot . welcome back. slot. welcome back. gbnews.com/yoursay. lots of you getting in touch about my panellist jonathan lis over here. heidorn, please. correct. jonathan, it's not labour complacency, it's labour sleaze , complacency, it's labour sleaze, okay. well, that's your opinion. i mean , you know, we're all i mean, you know, we're all opinions here. okay. and also correcting you on islamophobia phobia is an irrational fear. and fearing islam isn't irrational , and fearing islam isn't irrational, william. and fearing islam isn't irrational , william. they're irrational, william. they're your opinions, strong opinions all around on this show. but keep them coming . keep them coming. gbnews.com/yoursay. you can say nice things about claire if you want as well, because. yeah. please. yeah. or carry on just having a go. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> your choice, just don't mention football to me, okay? right, this is the weekend, and i'm dawn neesom. and thank you very much for joining i'm dawn neesom. and thank you very much forjoining me. i hope

you're having a wonderful weekend out there. now, this is gonna show you demonstrations by just stop oil and pro—palestine marches have had a massive effect on the metropolitan police's ability to protect us, all of us, basically, that live in london. and this is according to the force's commissioner, sir mark rowley. he says that 70,000 shifts were spent policing pubuc shifts were spent policing public order events which could have been used for patrolling boroughs and communities across london, investigating crime and chasing down criminals. i mean, pensh chasing down criminals. i mean, perish the thought. that's what the police do . but, you know, as the police do. but, you know, as you've heard me rabbiting on jonathan and claire are still with me , this is a report. it's with me, this is a report. it's not a report, actually. it's an interview that mark rowley, he was talking at the, the. so he was talking at the, the. so he was delivering the john harris memorial lecture, and he is saying that basically there's a massive police presence needed to police these marches , and we to police these marches, and we are not able to investigate crime and criminals as much as we would like. so people are

suffering. mark rowley talking here, claire, i mean, he's got a point, hasn't he? i mean, and not to mention the cost of these marches as well. i mean, you know, the just stop oil ones alone, 43 million. well i wouldn't mind. >> i wouldn't mind so much if the met police had a really good history of catching criminals in the first place, i do think he he has a point with the frequency of the marches and the amount of people. now we have a right to protest in this country. and i'm very pleased that we do. and i don't want to see people's rights being degraded. i don't want some of my conservative mp friends have said in the past, i don't want to stop protests. i don't think that's the right way forward. but i do think that there needs to be a little bit of strategic thinking, a bit of planning needs to go into this. not having things on the same weekend, not having events on at one time and i don't like to have lots of subcommittees, but

i think that ireland are looking. they have a parades committee. it's not a bad idea to have some kind of planning in place, because i do think that the police get overwhelmed, they get overwhelmed with the social media side of it, with everybody reporting in crimes as they see them on the internet, and then they have to actually be out there on the streets , and they there on the streets, and they have to go and do all the rest of their jobs at the same time. so yes, i have some sympathy, but i also think that the met has probably brought this on themselves quite a lot of the time. so there needs to be a much better way of looking at it. and i think there needs to be a bit of a sensible debate without reform, you know, referring to two tier policing or banning protests. >> interesting. >> interesting. >> interesting. >> i was working with someone from northern ireland and he said the parades commission, which plans, routes and ensures that the government are aware of what's going on and the policing is the right level, that's their responsibility. he's saying you don't really want it because it doesn't work as well as they are saying, but it's not. >> it's not working now. so i think there's nothing to be lost by trying it. >> so how do we balance the

right to protest with policing and the costs and the fact that it is taking? look, we need more policemen. we all know that that's the obvious answer, but we don't have that overnight. so how do we balance this out, jonathan? >> i think i agree with the thrust of what claire was just saying, that this feels to me a little bit like a bad workman blaming his tools. you know, we've had a protest has happened since human civilisation, practically since since since the birth of government, there has been protest protests in the streets of london are absolutely nothing new. and the depth to which the metropolitan police have sunk are something a little bit new, actually . and when you bit new, actually. and when you look at and i will sound a little bit like some of your right wing guests, now, when you look at the police resources, when you look at the police resources that are devoted to hunting down people who've said things on twitter and actually , things on twitter and actually, i think there should be very, very high threshold for criminality, for things that people say on social media,

which can be sometimes akin to saying things in a crowded pub. i don't think it's exactly the same, but i do think that people are being hounded. and i'm also talking about people, you know, like the woman who basically had her life destroyed for holding up a placard at a march saying comparing rishi sunak and suella braverman to coconuts, and she was she was hauled through the courts for that. how much police, how many police , how police, how many police, how much police policing was involved in that? police resources. this is not the kind of thing that the police should be devoting money to. i went to my local tube station yesterday, on my way to a job, and the there were about 10 or 12 police officers outside the station, and i thought there was i thought basically there were they were they're just hunting with dogs, just hunting, looking for people with drugs. that's not an effective use of policing ehheh >> we're running out of time . >> we're running out of time. sorry, claire. we've run out of time on that one. but gbnews.com/yoursay, we'll be back with more much later on. but don't go too far. here's the weather before. find out what your weekend is looking like . your weekend is looking like. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb

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of drizzle in places. it will try to burn back, but really the best of the sunshine is certainly going to be for the highlands. lewis and harris and argyll and bute. a few sunny spells also developing as we head throughout the day for northern ireland. once the fog begins to clear its way off. but you'll see those showery outbreaks of rain spreading across much of wales central southern areas of england and they will continue right throughout the day. again, there is a rain warning in force so we could see further spray on roads , could see further spray on roads, surface water issues. so it certainly is worth taking care and keeping up to date with the forecast. the graphics here not to be taken too literally, but it just gives an indication that that western side really could see some quite heavy pulses of rain, quite humid in amongst all of this as well. temperatures topping up around 20 to 21 c, 20 even possible across the sunnier spots of northwest scotland. that rain will linger as we head throughout sunday evening, stalling a bit across wales and the midlands before it gradually wants to shift its way eastwards as we head throughout the day on monday . but things generally monday. but things generally staying unsettled into the new working week and it's also looking to turn cooler for all

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gb. news >> well . >> well. >> well. >> oh, hello. yeah, good afternoon. it's 2:00 on saturday, the 21st of september and this is the weekend on gb news. and i hope you're having a wonderful weekend out there now. loads of politics happening. you know it's conference season and a labour conference indeed . a labour conference indeed. delegates gather in liverpool as the party faces infighting and accusations of hypocrisy . is accusations of hypocrisy. is keir starmer's honeymoon well and truly over? and a lovely story in an airborne spectacular 700 paratroopers are commemorating 80 years since allied soldiers parachuted into nazi occupied netherlands were live on the ground throughout the afternoon and in an all out

british brawl at wembley as daniel dubois defends his ibf belt against anthony joshua . belt against anthony joshua. tonight i'll be getting the thoughts of a boxing expert on that one. i'm dawn neesom and this is the weekend . this is the weekend. oh, there you are again. welcome back. now clare is the voice of reason. i keep saying get in touch. my favourite part of the show is talking to youse like i can't actually physically talk to you , but you can get your to you, but you can get your message gbnews.com/yoursay forward slash even daunting your say lots of you have been getting in touch, so please do keep them coming on the stories we're discussing or as it's the weekend special treat anything you want to chat about, try and keep it vaguely clean though. as i said gbnews.com/yoursay and join in our conversation. i said al, because we've got another wonderful panel for you. and

honestly, you're going to like them. you really are. political commentator kyle wiltshire and former conservative adviser charlie rowley. thank you very much for joining charlie rowley. thank you very much forjoining me. two young much for joining me. two young men to play with this hour. what could possibly go wrong? now, before we get stuck into today's stories, though, here is the news headlines with sophie reaper. reapeh >> thank you. dawn, it's just after 2:00 and these are your latest gb news headlines. today is day two of the reform conference in birmingham , with conference in birmingham, with party leader nigel farage giving the farewell address earlier this afternoon. last night mr farage told supporters that he believes reform can win the next general election, given the number of people that agree with them. he also explained what drove him to stand as clacton's mp once a general election was called. earlier this year. >> at almost every level we've been betrayed. and then i thought about what was happening on our streets and frankly, i thought to myself, britain is

broken . and then i couldn't help broken. and then i couldn't help it. but if britain is broken, then logically britain needs reform. >> and in the last couple of hours, mr farage has signed over ownership of the party, meaning he could feasibly be removed by a vote of no confidence going forward. unlike most political parties, reform uk was originally formed as a limited company with mr farage holding most of the shares, but as of now the reform leader has relinquished the ownership and members will be able to vote on party policy . this afternoon, party policy. this afternoon, thousands have gathered for a march for palestine making its way through the streets of liverpool. organised by the palestine solidarity campaign, the group say their demands include ending the genocide, stopping the arming of israel and saying no to war in the middle east. they also say they will be directing these aims towards the governments at the annual labour party conference, which is scheduled to begin in

liverpool tomorrow. this year marks the 80th anniversary of operation market garden and the battle of arnhem celebrations in the netherlands. this weekend will commemorate 80 years since 1900 allied troops parachuted into the then occupied country with the aim of recapturing the bndges with the aim of recapturing the bridges of arnhem. throughout the day today, the contemporary equivalents of those men are recreating the drop at ginkel heath in ada, jumping from an aircraft into the same place our troops would have landed eight decades ago. earlier, brigadier mark berry told gb news how it feels to be there on the ground today. >> i think the struggle that soldiers felt here on the ground, the very, very difficult conditions that they faced epitomise what any one of us feel we could be called to face in the modern era. and therefore we come here to commemorate the bravery of those who went before us, to and challenge ourselves to think about their bravery. and will we be brave enough when

our time comes ? our time comes? >> and a snap poll has opened today as members of the national education union will vote on pay and funding. teachers and education professionals in the uk will have until the 30th of september to either accept or reject the government's offer of a 5.5% pay rise. this comes after chancellor rachel reeves agreed in to full follow the recommendations of the school teachers review body. and finally, the met office has issued a further weather warning , issued a further weather warning, with heavy rain and thunderstorms forecast for the rest of the weekend. the alerts will remain in place throughout today, covering wales, the midlands, the south west and parts of the south east. the forecaster has warned that people should expect damage to buildings as a result of lightning strikes. disruption to pubuc lightning strikes. disruption to public transport and flooding, all within the affected areas. those are the latest gb news

headlines. more from me in half an hour. but now it's back to the ever lovely dawn neesom for the ever lovely dawn neesom for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much, sophie. i've gotten all warm and glowy. now i just want to read some of your comments out. this is from eileen. good point eileen. the bank of england has gifted rachel reeves a £10 billion windfall. she could use it to plug windfall. she could use it to plug that black hole she keeps talking about and scrap her punitive budget next month. but she won't, will she? instead, she won't, will she? instead, she will punish ordinary families like a miss whiplash on steroids and squander the money on vanity projects and a new wardrobe. eileen, i love that one. very, very well written and meanwhile. barbara. good afternoon. barbara says, please remind all the cloth ears that

islam is not a race. it is a religion. so if you don't like it, it's not racist. lots of strong opinions coming in today and that's exactly what we like . and that's exactly what we like. so let's get straight into today's stories and you can get involved. gbnews.com forward. slash yourself a triumphant nigel farage has addressed the reform conference in birmingham , reform conference in birmingham, saying there is nothing his party can't achieve. joining me now live from the conference in birmingham is gb news tom harwood, who is with timo soini, a former deputy prime minister of finland. interesting one tom. good afternoon . good afternoon. >> that's right. dawn, i'm here with the former deputy prime minister of finland , timo, soini minister of finland, timo, soini and timo, i just want to ask you, what's. what's a former deputy prime minister of finland doing at a reform uk party conference in birmingham? >> i was invited and i wanted to come over. and i used to be with nigel farage in the european parliament for 15 years ago, and we have been friends ever since, and we have been keeping contact

and, and i made my career in politics in finland 35 years, 20 years as a leader. and we started out of nothing and ended up for the second biggest. >> right. so you entered government in 2015. you were the deputy prime minister for four years. what lessons do you have to teach this party here in the uk? >> that is the first lesson is that listen to the people and the second one is dare to dream and go for the big victory, even though they would laugh at you and dismiss your chances and everything else. if you want to be a small party and you have a rhetoric of a small party, you end up as a small party. somebody can think that it is quite outrageous. achieve a goal to be the prime minister of uk for nigel farage. but that is

the only aim he has to aim. >> so do you think the reason why we keep hearing about the next election that reform uk are going to form the government? i mean, it's a it's a huge mountain to climb. that's almost a psychological thing so that they can talk about themselves as a bigger party and therefore almost grow into that rhetoric. yeah. >> and when i have been now here for two days and that reminds me about party congresses back home, those people want to have meaning in their lives. they want to be part of something. they want to be the be in, in a, in a same line that their mps and councillors. and it's important to try for a bigger things because ordinary people , things because ordinary people, they have to win their bread daily. they have their troubles and they have their aspirations and they have their aspirations and dreams, and it is good to have a dream. also political dream. >> now, of course, in finland's political system, as in many

european countries , you have european countries, you have a different electoral system. you have proportional representation, much, much easier for smaller parties to get a foothold in parliament and grow that way. it's a lot more difficult in the uk. >> it is indeed, and i must say that the threshold to gain a seat, even a single seat in westminster, is huge. but now, when they got it, they got a five seats and i was in clacton. i went and when i went to the bed there was four seats. and when i flew over to finland i found it out that there was a fifth to come. it felt like a big, big, big achievement and big, big, big achievement and big bonus. and i spoke with murdoch today and he also said that he was astonished and now they they are there. they are followed. and it's very easy to, to get impression here with the people that these people are eager and willing to deliver

and, and work. and that is very essential that the ordinary people volunteer people. you cannot do everything by professional way, by by the paid people. you need volunteers. you need a grassroot, people . and i need a grassroot, people. and i have been so impressed that it has been taking me a while since i was in the party congress. i was in eastbourne and i have beenin was in eastbourne and i have been in london and in southport with ukip and there are people here in the corridors. and they said that timo, you spoke in the eastbourne as well. you were with us and it's amazing now, some people, some cynical people might say, hang on, ukip the reform party. >> aren't these parties supposed to be a away from europe? and yet and yet we've got we've got a former european deputy prime minister here. what's that about? >> yeah, that is because i

totally understand that there are different views on this, but l, are different views on this, but i, i was then a foreign minister and deputy premier in 2016, mid—summer , when that voting mid—summer, when that voting came in. i was in my summer cottage and it was roughly midnight than it looked like that. they are going to remain. and then i put i left the radio on and 4:00 in the morning there was a shout in the radio and i woke up and there was that. the tide has turned and you are actually going to leave . i actually going to leave. i consider that very , very consider that very, very democratic thing that you were allowed to vote and that was finally respected. but without nigel farage, without the pressure of brexit party, they could have ended the kind of

agreement that wouldn't have been accepted and they have maybe stayed, but like it was in with the constitution in, in netherlands and, and ireland and france with the lisbon treaty. people voted against and then they voted again . they voted again. >> yes. in in ireland they were made to vote until they got the right answer. >> but this is but this is fascinating to get your perspective as someone who was in government in a european country at the time of those fractious negotiations when we had theresa may going round country to country, trying to get people on board, you must have been one of the only government figures in the whole of europe that was perhaps a bit more favourable to britain. >> yeah, that's right. and it was . it was the, the atmosphere was. it was the, the atmosphere was. it was the, the atmosphere was that. let's not give them a good deal because they have left us. so there was crutch, there

was kind of bad thought . barnier was kind of bad thought. barnier was kind of bad thought. barnier was very tough negotiator. french guy and but they finally got there but without brexit party landslide 2019 there wouldn't have pressure enough to get the final, treaty , to be in, get the final, treaty, to be in, in full meaning. and the voting was 2016 and the whole thing was completed years after. yeah, yeah. >> well, timo, it's been a pleasure to speak with you. thank you so much for joining pleasure to speak with you. thank you so much forjoining us on gb news. not every day that you sit next to the former deputy prime minister of a european country. but there you go. everything happens here at these sorts of conferences. back to you, dawn. >> brilliant. thank you very much, tom. fascinating interview there. absolutely, completely random, but a great one. thank you very much. tom harwood live at the reform party for conference us. going back to your messages and favourite part of the show, going back to what we were talking about, the cost

of policing the protest marches, in particular the palestine one. this is david evans. hi. david says so the liverpool labour council allow the palestinian march today , the day before march today, the day before labour party conference. by the way, most of the people marching aren't from liverpool and ian , aren't from liverpool and ian, on the same subject, says there should be no protests for other countries. uk taxpayer gets the bill for babysitting plus they are controversial. people often really know what they are actually marching for. keep those coming. those comments coming in gbnews.com/yoursay right? okay, now i've got my wonderful panel with me this houris wonderful panel with me this hour is political commentator kyle wiltshire and former conservative adviser charlie rowley. gentlemen, good to have you with me. what? i mean, that was just. tom's doing a brilliant job at the reform conference, and it does at least seem unlike the labour one, where things can only get worse. kai, i'm looking at you here. it didn't at least seem a positive vibe up there. >> yeah, i think one of the advantages that reform have is

they have an enthusiasm advantage. right? if you look at some of the recent polling people who have voted for reform in the last election, find a find reform immensely favourable compared to, say , a labour compared to, say, a labour voter. only one third of labour voters would say that the labour party, they have a favourable view of the labour party. that's a massive gulf. but the problem is, i think, and you know, the headune is, i think, and you know, the headline here said nothing. reform cannot achieve. i think what they cannot actually achieve is that breakthrough moment past their very enthusiastic supporters and their steadfast supporters, and then to the rest of the country. so if i just give you one more stat from that same poll, please do . 39% of all britons would do. 39% of all britons would describe reform uk as extremist. and so you have this gulf where the supporters of reform in what sense define what you mean by it wasn't defined in the poll, but

extremist in some sense and much different to lots of the other parties . the fact is, the reform parties. the fact is, the reform uk voter base is very enthusiastic, very energised. and the question now is can nigel farage and the party translate that into mainstream acceptance? and at the minute it doesn't look like that's happening. >> a large part of the conference was, was nigel farage talking about how they're going to operate more like the lib dems. charlie by focusing on areas so they can concentrate on local areas, which as we know, gets more seats in parliament. this has worked for the lib dems. i never thought i'd hear nigel farage say that the lib dems have had a good idea, but that's what he said. so they do seem to sound like they're going in that right direction to building that ground groundswell of support. >> well, as long as nigel farage doesn't turn up in a wetsuit, i think we'll be okay. i think nobody wants to see that. if he's following in the footsteps of the lib dems, it does beg the question if the deputy prime minister for finland, former

deputy pm, is there. yes. what are we doing here? i mean, that's that's clearly where the party is. yeah. well, absolutely. but i think but i think you're right. i mean, they have broken through. they've got five mps now. they expected four, but they got that fifth one over the line there. now having to set their sights on the local elections next year. that's what nigel said. he made a real thing about that to say. we've got to break through. it can't just be national politics. it can't just be the european elections. it can't just be the general election. now, where they secured over 4 million votes. it's about being in positions of responsibility. and of course, you are as an mp. but you know who is actually going to be responsible for your bins and you know, you're planning authority and you know, when you're at a local council level. so they need to infiltrate, if i can use that word , local can use that word, local councils to get elected at local level to build that base and then to start being able to have those activists that go out regularly knocking on doors, delivering the leaflets. that's what gets councillors elected. that's what gets mps elected. and then when they start to if they continue down this trajectory , which they they seem trajectory, which they they seem to be going down, mainly because

i think, there is such a, depression in uk politics. it is all doom and gloom, even the new government that should be sort of riding on the back of a honeymoon period, which that's sort of you, but, you know, by its own decisions, i think are sort of cut that short. if it was ever there in the first place. but, nigel, whatever you think of him, i mean, he's there . think of him, i mean, he's there. we just saw him there, you know, kicking those balloons like, you know, an england footballer, they had fireworks. they had fireworks. you know, even if you don't agree with anything that they say, if you've never heard of reform before, you think nigel farage is extreme. is that poll that kai was talking about a second ago? you've still got to look at that conference and think, well, they're having a jolly good time. >> i'm just going to i'm just going to read this message out from anirudh, the essex girl. this has come in on twitter and you can tweet me personally as well at dawn neesom with an m at the end. husband's fault, not mine. and he's you, anirudh. you've said , sorry i had to mute you've said, sorry i had to mute the rubbish from scarlett mccgwire and jonathan. liz, the two former panellists, by the

way, they are seeing things that aren't there. i just joined reform and east ender from poplar with a jewish father. i am not racist. and how dare anyone say i am. good message. lots of people agreeing with that kind of sentiment here. so the more people say that reform are extreme, that they are racist, the more they are talking to the ordinary people , talking to the ordinary people, which labour and conservatives don't seem to be doing anymore. >> yeah, and let's not forget reform came second place in over almost 100 seats, so you can't dismiss that out of hand, right? but i think, at the minute there's a bit of a vacuum in uk politics. we're not talking about issues and that's that's been to the detriment of the labour party, as we've seen. and this is reform trying to recapture the agenda and bring the issues that are talked about back to what they really want to focus in on, but to charlie's point earlier that the problem that reform have is that the organisation has never been that

slick, right. in the general election, one of the problems they had is that they said they would go out and put candidates up in every seat and they were struggling to find people. now clearly there is some groundswell, there is some popular support. now they need to translate that into activists knocking on doors. potential candidates in advance of those elections where it really matters with the local elections and so on, where you start to build a narrative of something changing across the country . changing across the country. >> i totally agree. they've got to be able to have that professional operation where they're vetting candidates, where they're putting serious people, credible people up who people, credible people up who people who can would actually want to vote for them . but just want to vote for them. but just going back to that tweet and the idea of reform being extreme, and i would go completely the other way because i would say that, you know, there has been this vacuum in politics. i agree with kai, which is why reform have gained popularity, but i don't think that they're extreme because i don't know what they stand for. now i say that and i

say that because i know that they are very keen to talk about immigration and they're very keen to cut taxes. but when you talk about immigration, particularly illegal migration, what is their plan? i don't think i've met anybody that's been able to articulate or to tell me what their plan is to stop the boats. they're very, very good at, harnessing public opinion and being able to articulate what the problems are in the country and of which there are many. of course, nobody wants to see illegal migration continue, but rishi had a plan to stop the boats, which was the rwanda scheme. labour came in and got rid of that. i don't know quite what labour's plan is, apart from smashing the gangs, smashing, smashing the gangs, smashing, smashing the gangs, smashing, smashing the gangs. but what is reform's plan? there now has to be a spotlight, sort of on to them to say if you want to be in frontline politics, if you want to grow, you've actually now got to grow, you've actually now got to have the scrutiny to come clean and tell us what is your actual plan, what are you actually going to do? if you see actually going to do? if you see a dinghy sort of across the channel and the french aren't to prepared intervene, what are you actually going to do about the numbers of people that do actually arrive on our shores? what is the answer to those difficult questions? >> well, maybe we'll get some answers, kai, because the conference starts officially tomorrow, and we are told that

things can only get worse, which is the message they came in with. >> is that the official line? >> is that the official line? >> that's the official line. unlike tony blair, but it doesn't seem to be getting worse for the people involved in the party, does it? i mean, the starmer family on a joint income of more than £200,000, can't afford to buy their own suits and frocks. meanwhile, pensioners are going to be freezing in their own homes. so what do you expect? what do you hope to hear from labour going forward? >> i think this is the reset moment, right, because they've spent the last eight weeks or so doom and gloom talking about the black hole of £22 billion left by the previous government. this is the opportunity to start resetting and start giving a positive outlook. positive perspective on what could what the future could hold. the problem they have at the minute is that there are short term decisions that they're taking that are difficult , decisions that they're taking that are difficult, and the good decisions they're taking, they're not going to we're not going to see the benefits of that for many, many years. so it's going to be tough for them to paint that picture. but i

think there are a few bright spots that they can point to. okay >> maybe not if you're a pensioner, but if you are watching your pension, you're worried about how you're going to get through gb news gbnews.com/yoursay. let us know how you're thinking about what you want to hear from labour, what you expect to hear , and for what you expect to hear, and for all the best analysis and opinion on that story and much more, please do go to our website @gbnews .com. now i'm dawn neesom and this is indeed gb news. and there's lots more coming up on today's show. we've been talking labour infighting. how about some real fighting? it's an all british brawl at wembley as anthony joshua takes on a daniel dubois tonight. the gloves are off after this. see you very soon. you've got time to put the kettle on, but don't go too far. see

soon. hello. welcome back. this is the weekend with me, dawn neesom. now we're going to talk sport. shall we? we've had a few punch

ups on the show already. and you're getting involved. good gbnews.com/yoursay and grumpy grandad. yes. i'm going to read out as many. and thank you for putting a kiss on your message. thank you. right. anthony joshua says he is still in the battlefield and quashed any suggestion of nearing the end of his career. ahead of tonight's world title challenge against daniel dubois, two time heavyweight champion joshua takes on dubois for the ibf belt at wembley stadium. this evening in a highly anticipated all british brawl. it's on the back pages of all your papers today, so let's get the tale of the tape with combat sports journalist ben allen. ben lovely to see you. thank you for joining us. right. this is a biggie. it's on the back pages of all our papers today. why is this fight so important ? this fight so important? >> well, it's a special fight for a number of reasons. first things first. we don't get a lot of all british heavyweight world title fights. we've had a couple in recent years with tyson fury's last reign, and they certainly didn't deliver coupled back in the day. they also didn't. but there's just no way that this one can't. we've got two absolute juggernauts. they

both hit hard, they both love to come forward, they both got points to prove and there's everything to play for. aj is looking to become a three time world champion and set up that all elusive time tyson fury fight, which we know will do big business. and then you've got a guy in daniel dubois who a lot of people also wrote off for a number of different reasons. they questioned whether they had the heart, whether he had the talent to actually make good on this potential. but he's come through and he's a world champion now, and he is on the verge , potentially, of shocking verge, potentially, of shocking the world in what would be one of the biggest results in british boxing history. if he can pull it off. >> and is this is the purse in this one worth a lot of money? i mean, boxing is never a poor sport these days. is it, >> well, i don't have actual figures to give you, but put it this way, this, like a lot of the biggest fights in boxing, this is being bankrolled by, the saudi arabians as part of their riyadh season project. their name will be. you'll see that name will be. you'll see that name a lot all over the branding for tonight. so, yeah, you can rest assured that there will be, they'll be getting paid a lot. and i think there's going to be a record breaking 96,000,

attendance , which is a post—war attendance, which is a post—war record. and second only, i think, to an adele show from a few years ago. so you can definitely be there . i think definitely be there. i think there'll be enough money in the coffers to make sure these two guys are taken care of. >> and ben, talking of money, who is the smart money on tonight? >> well, aj were undoubtedly going as the favourite and you can see why he's got the world level pedigree. but dubois has fought the likes of usyk and, gave a decent showing. but aj's been there, done that, bought the t shirt so he'll definitely be favourite. but if you are fancy to make making a bit of money, the smart money has to be on dubois, i think probably is going to have to be by knockout. aj's got the distance down the stretch, and as much as dubois showed that he's got the heart to survive a little bit of adversity, i think the only way he's going to get it done is if he's going to get it done is if he knocks him out. so if you fancy a little bit of a flutter. dubois by knockout. probably not a bad bet. >> brilliant, but worth tuning into. >> do you think it will get a decent fight out of it, or will it be all over in, around? >> it could be over in a couple of rounds, but that's not always

the worst thing. i think certainly it will be exciting whilst it lasts. and the important thing is you've got a bumper undercard full of great british domestic fights, you've got the two best middleweights in hamzah sheeraz and tyler denny, and in the co—main, and then if you like a bit of entertainment as well, you've also got liam gallagher performing, so there's a bit of everyone and it'll be enough to keep you engaged and going until about midnight or half midnight when it's done right. >> okay, that's a treat all round, ben . alan, thank you very round, ben. alan, thank you very much. talking about the big fight tonight, i've still got my lovely panel with me , kai and lovely panel with me, kai and charlie going to be watching the boxing tonight. charlie >> well, the first thing i'll be doing is going straight up the betting shop. by the sounds of things on the back of that little tip, i've got it. a little tip, i've got it. a little bit of spending money for my holidays. well yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> charlie is off on to ibiza. i'm going to tell you. i'm going to ruin the surprise. yeah, he's to ruin the surprise. yeah, he's to off ibiza. you need a bit of spending money. >> i will be booking up in their drones now. i won't, i won't be. >> i'm not going to tell you where he's staying. to be honest with you. although i could do. how about you, kai? >> i mean, i have never followed boxing this weekend. i'm focused

on the f1. we have a great brit lando norris almost a championship contender. but this week. singapore. oh, singapore , week. singapore. oh, singapore, but but i think the winner of all of this is british boxing. because from what i can see, it's the second most popular sport amongst gen z of any sport after football. so i mean, if that's not an argument for continuing these great fights and these brilliant british matchups, then i don't know what is. >> no, actually that's a good point. we've got two british fighters. i mean, boxing is very complicated because there's so many belts and so many different competitions that i can never keep up with. who's winning, what belt, when to be honest with you. but football is my sport and i'm not talking about that as a west ham fan. obviously, i'd much rather be sitting here to talking youse two. right, okay. and there is lots more coming up on the show, and unless it's in an airport, this is my favourite bit of the show in an airborne spectacular, 700 paratroopers are commemorating 80 years since allied soldiers parachuted into nazi occupied netherlands were

live there. but first, let's get the news headlines with sophie reaper. reapeh >> thank you. dawn. it's just after 2:30 and these are your latest gb news headlines. today is day two of the reform conference in birmingham with party leader nigel farage giving the farewell address earlier this afternoon. last night, mr farage said he believes reform can win the next general election, given their success at the polls in july. he also explained what drove him to stand as clacton's mp once the general election was called earlier this year. >> at almost every level we've been betrayed and then i thought about what was happening on our streets and frankly, i thought to myself, britain is broken . to myself, britain is broken. and then i couldn't help it. but if britain is broken, then logically britain needs reform.

>> this afternoon, thousands have gathered for a march for palestine, making its way through the streets of liverpool, organised by the palestine solidarity campaign. the groups say their demands include ending the genocide, stopping the arming of israel and saying no to war in the middle east. they also say they'll be directing these aims towards the government at the annual labour party conference, which is scheduled to begin in liverpool tomorrow. this year marks the 80th anniversary of operation market garden and the battle of arnhem. celebrations in the netherlands this weekend will commemorate 80 years since 1900. allied troops parachuted into the then occupied country. throughout the day to day, the contemporary equivalent of those men have been recreating the drop at ginkel heath in ada , drop at ginkel heath in ada, jumping from an aircraft into the same place our troops would have landed all those eight decades ago . and finally, decades ago. and finally, tonight, anthony joshua will challenge daniel dubois for the

ibf world heavyweight title at a sold out wembley stadium. the all—british fights will see joshua try to take the title from dubois in an attempt to join the likes of muhammad ali, lennox lewis and evander holyfield by becoming a three time world heavyweight champion. things remained relatively calm at the weigh in yesterday, although both fighters have said they'll do whatever it takes to win. those are your latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophie reaper in the next half an hour you'll have more with the lovely tatiana sanchez . the lovely tatiana sanchez. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward

>> ye. hello you lot. welcome back to the weekend. i'm dawn neesom right. a lot of you taking issue with charlie here

about reforms, immigration policy. charlie yes i know brace yourself david says the policy is quite clear. take the boats back to france, whether they like it or not. that's what reform plans. it's simple. meanwhile, i timmy higher , says meanwhile, i timmy higher, says reform have always said they will simply tow the boats back to france. >> well, i, i take a i give a lot of sympathy to that. i mean, look, people that get into france and then into the uk shouldn't even be in france in the first place because you should settle in your first safe country. we all know that. but the reality is they have passed through france and i just don't know what happens when if you if you do, then, put a load of migrants and show them back to france , tow them back to france. france, tow them back to france. and the french authorities say no.then and the french authorities say no. then you have a stand up. exactly. you have a stand off just outside of calais, or in french waters, or english waters or unknown waters or whatever it is. i mean, what happens then that you can't do this? >> it's not like we haven't been there before. it's french, isn't it? >> which is why i thought rwanda was a good policy, because, you know, anyway. but there we are. interesting interesting. >> so if you've got more comments for charlie, please do

gbnews.com/yoursay. well, there's plenty more coming up in our show, but first let's find out what nana's got in her show, which is starting at 3:00. coming up very soon. hi, nana. what you got coming up ? what you got coming up? >> well, there's a lot to talk about. of course. reform. it's their conference, so we will go live to the conference. it's just kind of ended now, but we'll find out. get some feedback from there. and we'll also be asking, could reform actually replace the tories? tories have their conference coming very soon as well. now the other thing we want to talk aboutis the other thing we want to talk about is keir starmer, and we wanted to ask whether mps should be allowed to receive gifts of any kind, including his beloved arsenal. honestly, it's absolutely absurd. a man with a property portfolio of millions and somebody who earns £167,000, plus somebody who has ample supply and support to be able to buy his own clothes. why on earth what kind of a man would allow another to man buy his wife clothes? so we'll be discussing that and lots more. >> rhiannon. that sounds like a real cracker. yeah, that's a lot of people annoyed about that. you know, £200,000 a year and you can't afford to buy your own

glasses. that's nana. she's with you at 3:00, so you don't want to miss any of that show. now, meanwhile, we're going back out to the netherlands in an airborne spectacular. 700 paratroopers are commemorating 80 years since allied soldiers parachuted into the nazi occupied netherlands as they were. so let's cross to our reporter, charlie peters, who is there on the ground for us. charlie, how's it going over there now ? there now? >> well, it's going very well . >> well, it's going very well. the parachute drops were all successfully achieved. some, as you said, 700 paratroopers trying to re—attempt the 1900 who dropped on the opening days of operation market garden here at gilze—rijen hinckley and behind me you can see some military bands performing. as people start to leave this location , they were asked by the location, they were asked by the king of the netherlands and the military representatives here to pay military representatives here to pay their respects to those who fought and died in operation market garden. the dutch

resistance, the british airborne forces and the polish brigade that was attached to them who fought in this location and also the us airborne 101st and the 82nd divisions fighting in nijmegen and eindhoven. all of those nations represented today and several other nato allies attending to pay their respects. on the 80th anniversary of the most audacious airborne operation in military history, the main area for commemorating the main area for commemorating the forces is just behind me to my left. that area there and people are coming over, standing, paying their respects as they leave this location. well, many people see operation market garden as a futile exercise, a moment of big ego where field marshal monty wanted to win the war himself by sending 10,000 airborne forces deep into nazi occupied territory to try to establish a bndgehead territory to try to establish a bridgehead into germany and win the war himself. it didn't work. the forces couldn't hold the

north side of the bridge at arnhem. it was a bridge too far. the final order given on the radio was out of ammunition. god save the king. but the parachute regiment, with so many amazing honours throughout its history, they always come back to arnhem. despite that ultimate objective failure. well, earlier today i spoke to brigadier mark berry. he is the commander of 16 air assault brigade. and here's what he told me about why the parachute regiment comes here. >> i think the struggle that soldiers felt here on the ground, the very, very difficult conditions that they faced, epitomise what any one of us feel we could be called to face in the modern era. and therefore we come here to commemorate the bravery of those who went before us, to and challenge ourselves to think about their bravery. and will we be brave enough when our time comes ? our time comes? >> well, the brigadier was also

joined by the chief of general staff, sir mark rowley, the most senior soldier in the british army, and all four commanding officers of the parachute regiment battalions in the british army, along with the commander field army and the general officer in command of one division. the division that was on the ground here 80 years ago, with 30 corps fighting to reach the netherlands. so several people senior in the british military involved in this commemoration . 80 years this commemoration. 80 years after operation market garden . after operation market garden. >> thank you very much, charlie. doing a sterling job out there for the 80th anniversary of arnhem. very moving stuff and charlie knows his stuff. really, really good report from there . really good report from there. and it's so important, isn't it, charlie, that we remember what people did 80 years ago and the people did 80 years ago and the people of arnhem still go and lay flowers on the graves of the many young men that didn't come back from that. >> totally. and the reason why it's so important is because it's so important is because it's for us not to forget the

sacrifice that all of these young men and women made for the freedoms that we have today , but freedoms that we have today, but also because it's i think it's about eight nato allies that worked on that operation together. and you just have to think that back, okay, that was in the past. if we had eight nato allies working together in conflicts today, such as helping ukraine, if we were more coordinated now as we were back then, you can learn the lessons from history and you can always see that good prevails over evil. yeah. >> do you think we have learnt our lessons? kai >> it's difficult to tell, isn't it? i mean, i think we've had such disunity between the united kingdom and so many of our allies in the past, in recent years. but. but i read something that the netherlands commemorates this to just remind them of the price paid to restore peace in europe. i think above all else , above the above all else, above the differences that we all have between different countries, different ideologies and so on. i think it's really more important than ever right now for to us recognise that sort of commonality between us all that

commonality between us all that common history, and look at the parallels that are obvious to all of us at the minute in ukraine. >> very moving stuff. i hope you've enjoyed it out there as much as i have. and i said, charlie has been doing a fantastic report. let us know what you think . what you think. gbnews.com/yoursay. right. unfortunately, i have to say goodbye to youse two. that is a political commentator, kyle wiltshire and former conservative adviser charlie rowley, who is not sad to go because he's off to ibiza. right. okay. i know i've mentioned that. not that i'm jealous. now, there's a lot of politics today . so what about politics today. so what about some showbiz? you fancy a bit of that? it does include prince andrew, by the way. just warning you there. so you get your sick bags ready if you're not a fan, we'll be back in just a moment. and as showbiz coming up with a gorgeous steph takyi. see

soon. hello. welcome back, you lot. charlie peters is an absolute

star. yes he is. he's an amazing report. and i'm glad you've enjoyed the arnhem. coverage. thank you very much for that. now, this is the weekend. well, you know that i'm dawn neesom. you know that also. but let's actually do some showbiz, shall we? steph takyi is here with your showbiz gossip . and she is your showbiz gossip. and she is the queen of showbiz. i'm rubbish at it, stef. come on. what's going on? >> where is zoe ball? that is the question that i'm asking myself all weekend . everyone's myself all weekend. everyone's asking that. where has she been? she hasn't been back to her radio two show since the 8th of august. now she's gone through a tough year. her mum died earlier this year from pancreatic canceh this year from pancreatic cancer, and she was back at the bbc within a month. and then since then she came back and she's taken further time off. but there's been no explanation and most of her fans are taking to social media saying, where is zoe paul? is she going to be coming back to the show? what's going on? and i think a lot of viewers, they do understand listeners. they understand that she may be grieving, but i think because it's a taxpayers funded

show, i think people are thinking, okay, she's one of the highest earners on the bbc. second, second after lineker, £950,000 salary. people are asking, okay, what's going on? do we deserve to know as the pubuc do we deserve to know as the public what's happened to zoe ball? she's sold off her house, but to be honest, i think from my personal opinion, i can understand grief . there's no understand grief. there's no time limit to grief, but i guess people are wondering how the bbc have handled this. >> wouldn't you have an explanation if that's what it is? you know she's lost her mum. we all understand that. just explain. >> i think it's just the silence, which is, i think, you know, kind of baffled a lot of listeners about. and she's been silent on her socials, but her son woody came out in an interview with mailonline and said that he's been helping his mum through some tough times, so yeah, i think that's what it is. >> i mean, you know , explain >> i mean, you know, explain what's going on. well, that's what's going on. well, that's what it is. >> i think with the bbc there's always a lot of questions about their talent and how things are run. but i guess with zoe ball

this must be a personal matter. people are hoping listeners are hoping that she does come back to her show on monday morning. but we'll have to wait and see. dufing but we'll have to wait and see. during the whole summer, it's been covered by people like scott mills and gaby roslin, so she's a lovely she's a well—loved star. >> let's hope she is. she's well and she's going to come back soon, obviously. what else is happening? >> a very royal scandal. just one. just when prince andrew thought things could get better for him in the public, we now see another dramatisation of his car crash interview with emily maitlis. and it doesn't portray him in a good light. he's played by michael sheen . right. and by michael sheen. right. and i've watched the first few episodes. it's three parts, three part series to it and he comes across as quite foul mouthed. lack of respect for his staff. so there is a lot of questions now thinking how much of it is true . and i'll have to of it is true. and i'll have to say probably about 80% of it is true. but i think there is this thing with prince andrew. i don't think he's ever going to be able to live down this scandal, especially as it keeps on getting revitalised in these

dramas. >> so this is the second. this is the second drama. we have the one scoop which was with gillian anderson, and now this is emily maitlis versions of events, and it's on amazon prime and it's just been released. >> but again, it doesn't do prince andrew no favours. you know, it's a scandal which he very much like to bury and it doesn't. but the thing that the difference between scoop and this one, this one, you see more of prince andrew's character. you know, with scoop, you see how they went about getting the interview. but this is more a behind the scenes look. emily's version. yeah. she did. yeah, it's her version of events. so i can imagine there's a lot of people who are not happy, including princess beatrice. she hasn't been happy with her portrayal of it and stuff, but the public are interested in this, in this scandal still. >> yeah , absolutely. anything >> yeah, absolutely. anything else that we need to talk about? strictly come dancing is back . strictly come dancing is back. >> even i know strictly is coming back on screens today. it's going to be the first live show. there's going to be a lot of interesting highlights to see, including chris mccausland, who is the first blind contestant, and he's going to be dancing. he is. and he's going

to be dancing to cha cha cha . so to be dancing to cha cha cha. so it'll be interesting to see how he pulls that off. >> right? okay. because he made that brilliant because it's a gp on there randomly. he made that brilliant crack. so you know we're all just amazed to be in the same room as a gp. oh cringe thank you. >> thank you dawn. >> thank you dawn. >> thank you very much. that was planet showbiz for you with a gorgeous stephanie takyi. well i think we've run out of time. i just want to thank you all so , just want to thank you all so, so much forjoining me this so much for joining me this afternoon. really appreciate your company. the message has been brilliant and so do keep them coming because nana is coming up next. she's on at 3:00. and then that's lots of fiery debate until 6:00. and then at 6:00 after that it's a saturday five. so thank you very much. i've been dawn neesom this has been gb news. i'm back dishing up another hot lunch tomorrow. but talking of hot, let's find out whether the weather is going to be hot. and here's your forecast. see you sooi'i. 500“. >> soon. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb

news . news. >> hello there. good afternoon. today marks the end of astronomical summer with the equinox tomorrow. and for some of us there is some sunny spells to end the summer, but for others it is more of a thundery end due to this low pressure thatis end due to this low pressure that is pushing into southern areas. and these occluded fronts here have already started to provide some heavy showers and thunderstorms in places, a particular focus for that as we continue into this evening is wales central southwestern areas of england. there could be some disruption in places. again, frequent lightning and hail is also possible. a second pulse of thundery rain arriving as we head into the latter stages of the night as well, generally dner the night as well, generally drier further towards the north, we might see a few showers just clipping the far south of northern ireland, but generally northwestern areas of scotland could be quite chilly underneath the clearer skies. elsewhere, it is generally a rather mild night as we start off sunday in the north. then there is going to be an east west split. quite a lot of cloud to start the day, particularly along that eastern side with that producing a bit

of drizzle in places. it will try to burn back, but really the best of the sunshine is certainly going to be for the highlands, lewis and harris and argyll and bute. a few sunny spells also developing as we head throughout the day for northern ireland once the fog begins to clear its way off. but you'll see those showery outbreaks of rain spreading across much of wales central and southern areas of england, and they will continue right throughout the day. again, there they will continue right throughout the day. again, there is a rain warning in force so we is a rain warning in force so we could see further spray on could see further spray on roads, surface water issues. so roads, surface water issues. so it certainly is worth taking it certainly is worth taking care and keeping up to date with care and keeping up to date with the forecast. the graphics here the forecast. the graphics here not to be taken too literally, not to be taken too literally, but it just gives an indication but it just gives an indication that that western side really that that western side really could see some quite heavy could see some quite heavy pulses of rain, quite humid in pulses of rain, quite humid in amongst all of this as well . amongst all of this as well . amongst all of this as well. temperatures topping up around amongst all of this as well. temperatures topping up around 20 to 21 c, 20 even possible 20 to 21 c, 20 even possible across the sunnier spots of across the sunnier spots of northwest scotland that rain northwest scotland that rain unger northwest scotland that rain linger as we head throughout unger northwest scotland that rain linger as we head throughout sunday evening, stalling a bit sunday evening, stalling a bit across wales and the midlands across wales and the midlands before it gradually wants to before it gradually wants to shift its way eastwards. as we shift its way eastwards. as we head throughout the day on head throughout the day on monday. but things generally monday. but things generally staying unsettled into the new staying unsettled into the new working week, and it's also working week, and it's also looking to turn cooler for all looking to turn cooler for all

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