. caffeine? maybe i had caffeine. caffeine? maybe i had a pint or two. in the spirit of the man himself, nigel farage. but don't worry, doctor renee has got me hooked on an iv drip to get me through both the hangover and andy williamson moan about the reform party that's got more momentum, in my view, than a runaway freight train. now, speaking of runaway, earlier this week, the papers were buzzing with a story about a school that affirmed a child's new identity as a wolf. yeah. it's true. we're prioritising quackery and wokery over maths and english. but after that conference, my friends, i'd say nigel farage is quite the wolf himself. teeth out. growling straight at the conservative monopoly on the right. now, i even called up sir keir starmer to see if lord ali. you know, his generous fashion benefactor could cover my drinks. bill from the reform party conference. no look, sadly, we'll have no biting on this show , mind, but biting on this show, mind, but plenty of fur flying and growl

like snarls. you know the drill. each host outlines their argument about a chosen topic. then we all pile in, and that's when the fur begins to fly. and of course, we want your views as well. please do send them through and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay and don't forget to ask your questions in ask the five. no topics are off limits, but my friends, before we start tearing each other apart, it's his saturday night news with tatiana sanchez. >> darren. thank you. the top stories from the gb newsroom. the prime minister has arrived at the labour party conference today. sir keir starmer said labour's conference would show how labour are fixing the foundations and rebuilding our country. arriving at that conference centre in liverpool earlier on, alongside his deputy angela rayner, the prime minister said it was labour's biggest conference ever. kinsey

schofield today we're going to set out and over the next coming days how we're fixing the foundations and rebuilding our country. >> so enjoy. conference. very, very good to be here. >> meanwhile, today is day two of the reform conference in birmingham with party leader nigel farage giving his farewell address earlier this afternoon. last night, mr farage told supporters he believes reform can win the next general election, given the number of people that agree with their principles. he also explained what drove him to stand as clacton's mp once the election was called earlier this year. >> at almost every level we've been betrayed. and then i thought about what was happening on our streets and frankly, i thought to myself, britain is broken . and then i couldn't help broken. and then i couldn't help it. but if britain is broken, then logically britain needs

reform. >> meanwhile, mr farage has signed over ownership of the party, meaning he could feasibly be removed by a vote of no confidence going forward. unlike most political parties, reform uk was originally formed as a limited company, with mr farage holding most of the shares, but as of now the reform leader has relinquished the ownership and members will now be able to vote on party policies. thousands have gathered for a march for palestine, making its way through the streets of liverpool today. organised by the palestine solidarity campaign, the group say their demands include ending the genocide , include ending the genocide, stopping the arming of israel and saying no to the war in the middle east. they also say they will be directing these aims towards the government at the annual labour party conference, which begins tomorrow. this year marks the 80th anniversary of operation market garden and the battle of arnhem. celebrations in the netherlands. this weekend will commemorate 80 years since

1900 allied troops parachuted into the then occupied country with the aim of recapturing the bndges with the aim of recapturing the bridges of arnhem. throughout the day to day, the contemporary equivalents of those men have been recreating the drop at ginkel, heath and ida , jumping ginkel, heath and ida, jumping from an aircraft into the same place. our troops would have landed eight decades ago. earlier, brigadier mark berry told gb news how it feels to be there on the ground today. >> i think the struggle that soldiers felt here on the ground, the very, very difficult conditions that they faced, epitomise what any one of us feel we could be called to face in the modern era. and therefore we come here to commemorate the bravery of those who went before us, and to challenge ourselves to think about their bravery . to think about their bravery. and will we be brave enough when our time comes ? our time comes? >> and tonight, anthony joshua will challenge daniel dubois for

the ibf world heavyweight title at a sold out wembley stadium. the all—british fight will see joshua try to take that title from dubois in an attempt to join the likes of muhammad ali, lennox lewis and evander holyfield by becoming a three time world heavyweight champion. things remained relatively calm at the weigh in yesterday, although both fighters have said they will do whatever it takes to win . and those are the latest to win. and those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm tatiana sanchez. i'll be back with more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> my friends, it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're in for a very lively show. we're

going to crack on with tonight's first debate, and i'm going to kick us off by talking about david lammy. he delivered a speech so daft that it makes diane abbott's reign as shadow home secretary look like, well, world award winning material. he says that climate change is a bigger threat than terrorism or war, and enter the global green power absurdity. he's actually on the world stage and signed up a total sum of nobody. lamentable lammy waving his virtue, signalling flag on the world stage comes at a time while our debt has hit 100% of our gross domestic product, a milestone that hasn't been achieved since actual world war two. but sure, my friends, let's splash the cash . £12 billion on splash the cash. £12 billion on foreign climate change victims. genius. britain's real vulnerability to me is energy policies that mean we import

coal, that we need for steel and cement from abroad, all thanks to this net zero policy we've binned well—paid jobs here so we can ship in that coal from elsewhere. if we went to war, we'd be about as much fit as a limp lettuce. and here's a fun stat for you. since 2005, 95 people in britain have been murdered in islamist attacks . murdered in islamist attacks. the far right, three of them. islamism takes up 75% of mi5's time. but you wouldn't know that if you listened to this hysterical climate clown. how exactly does 1% of global co2 emissions that we produce pose a bigger threat than terrorism here at home? and while we're at it, sir keir , people's champion it, sir keir, people's champion starmer is listening to farmers while refusing to rule out slashing their budget alongside pensioners budgets at a time when energy prices are going up. if we've got no farms, we've got no food. it's really that

simple. labour's plan to me is to turn farmland into wind farm land and believe me, there's plenty of wind coming out of that man's gob. the man is a walking fraud. britain's only crisis is this hysterical virtue signalling by elites more worried about global brownie points than keeping this country secure. take your fine fashion clobber and do one. i've had enough. clobber and do one. i've had enough . anyway, i should be hung enough. anyway, i should be hung up more often, shouldn't i? that's it. >> debate over. >> debate over. >> that's it. we'll end the show there. andy williams. hello. hello. what do you make of that? >> i think what david lammy was actually saying is that climate change is a fundamental, long term threat to the uk and to the world. it comes with opportunities as well as threats. we have a massive opportunity to become a leader in the global green economy. if we invest in the right technologies, we can create jobs that don't yet exist. so there's opportunity as well as threat. but the, the key thing is the cumulative death toll from rises

in global temperatures since 2000 is 4 million. that is a huge number. and that's according to the un. that's a huge number of people who have died as a result of climate change. and so what david lammy is saying is this is a long term existential threat, and it needs to be tackled. >> renee i don't know about you, but when i walk around on the streets of london, i fear being stabbed by some jihadi. you know, i've had threats on the streets of london, as many viewers know, i actually don't walk out fearing a gust of wind. >> no, i mean , look, i think >> no, i mean, look, i think it's really interesting that he used those words . and actually, used those words. and actually, for the foreign secretary, who is supposed to be the person who can, you know, engender good relationships all around the world with all leaders of the world with all leaders of the world to actually say something like terrorism is worth worse than the threat from climate change. perhaps he should go and speak to the parents of the children killed by terrorism at the manchester arena when they were blown up for attending a concert. it's inhumane. it's completely tone deaf and it lacks empathy. and i think he's just demonstrating again that

he's not fit for such a high office as the foreign secretary. he really isn't. >> he's actually done a really good job of building, of strengthening and rebuilding our relationships. no one stop it. >> no. i'm sorry. i'm sorry. i cannot listen to you any longer. even turns up. he even turns up to meet a world leader in grubby, you know, old trainers. oh please have some respect. >> especially after you've just been given a load of clobber. absolutely rich donor. >> well, we don't. we don't know whether david lammy has exactly. >> now, why doesn't he put. i think he has. >> i think he has. >> i think he has. >> he has. yeah he has. he's another one to add to the list. so why doesn't he put his energies into looking at the other countries that really do have high emissions, like china, america, india? why? look, our economy is hurting at the minute. why is he doing this to the economy? and frankly, i don't think he knows what he's doing. i think he's out of his depth. you mentioned the on the world stage that david lammy is

this new intellectual colossus, but actually, i would argue that no one has signing up to his global whatever it's called , con global whatever it's called, con this new clean power alliance, they are actually most world leaders, and most of his counterparts would agree with you. >> initiative. no one signed up to it. no country has. he is making us look like a clown show. look like fools. no, no. the clown may have changed, but the circus is still the same. as far as labour is concerned. >> we are. we are trying to establish a global leadership position on an issue that all world leaders, all serious world leaders, agree is massively important. alex. they do. >> look, look, listen, i think this whole net zero agenda is designed and is hurting the poorest people in our society. and labour is meant to be the party of the working class and the poorest. all this party has done since has got into power is punish those same people. it's saying it's going to bring down energy prices. that's part of sir keir starmer's commitment. but if anything, energy prices are going to go back up

alongside inflation at all at a time. we've got. ed miliband parading around with a ukulele, singing about how wind farms are going to save the country. they're not going to save people in this country is turning on oil and gas and shipping more of it. >> on that point about wind farms and solar farms, do you worry about the impact that will it'll have on actual land for to produce food for farming and things like that, because labour have said that considering cutting the budget at least they didn't rule it out. cutting the budget of farming support subsidy. >> well, i don't think it should be. i don't think it needs to be an either or. i think we obviously need to protect farming. it's a really, really important industry. but call me of course it is. we also. >> but are they doing this deliberately to make up their summer land so that he can, you know, help out some more green subsidies to pave over the countryside? >> well, we do need more wind farms and we do need more solar farms. we need importantly, what about our farmers? >> they're not only fleecing our pensioners now, our farming industry. you have to look at what they're doing and what

they're giving, you know, to foreign aid. 9 billion to climate change, over 11.3 billion. the first order of any government is to look after its own people. david lammy is not doing that. >> i mean, if you want to talk about foreign aid, actually that's a really important tool of soft power. and i think the fact that we don't invest 0.7% of gdp in it any more is a shame. and i think it's weakened our global leadership position. all right. >> we'll leave that there and let andy stew. right. who's up next then. yep. >> it's me darren. >> it's me darren. >> and what's the one that was at reform party conference? >> no, i'm a little bit worse for wear . but >> no, i'm a little bit worse for wear. but we'll get through it. we'll get through it. not worse. more worse for wear than sue gray. outrageous pay. sue gray, she's the only pensioner in this country that's not going to freeze to death this winter. and that's because she guess what earns more than our prime minister and any cabinet minister and any cabinet minister in our country? personally, i think she should be out of a job. she should never put herself before our country. she had multiple opportunities and was given multiple opportunities to lower

her pay to under keir starmer's pay- her pay to under keir starmer's pay. so she would avoid the negative headlines. and supposedly she outright denied to do it. now, today, the front pages are a splash with sue gray, who looks like she's got herself into a bit of a spot of bother because she's also tried to lower the salaries of her colleagues in downing street to less than what they are being paid today. so sue gray, outrageous pay. see you later. and i think no civil servant, no spad, anyone working underneath the prime minister should ever earn more than him. andy, do you think sue gray has outrageous pall-7 think sue gray has outrageous pay? let's separate two things out. >> do i think she's paid too much for the job that she has? no. it's a very important job. should she be paid more than the prime minister? absolutely not. and i cannot understand why, given that she was she was told that this was going to be a problem. if this was going to become a story, if she took more money than keir starmer, she was told that she knew that and she still didn't go back. and take

less. and i think it's just pure stupidity and it's causing labour problems. >> i don't think it's stupidity. i think it's arrogance. i think it's contempt for the electorate. it might be they won this loveless landslide more like a, well, a land mess. and they're actually saying to the public, well, you know, we can pay public, well, you know, we can pay whatever we want to. this woman who, let's not forget, was part of the partygate report that done over boris johnson. she's got exactly what she wanted. she's played her cards right and well, all fur coat. >> no, i think it's really important that the audience know that. the telegraph reported that. the telegraph reported that sir keir starmer actually signed this off, so he agreed to give sue this massive pay rise, which i find so hypocritical because don't we remember with dominic cummings what he said to bofis dominic cummings what he said to boris johnson, with him getting £40,000 more made such a big deal of it . deal of it. >> but, you know, never would dominic cummings being, you know, being wages more than, than boris johnson. this is absolutely outrageous. and i think we see her in her true colours of what she is. she, she could have stopped this and she didn't. she wanted the money and it shows greed. it shows she's

selfish. and she actually doesn't care. >> and arrogance i think it really shows arrogance. i think they've come to power. they can't believe they got this majority that they did, that they didn't win. we just voted out the tories. and i think they're carried away with their own power at the moment. and i think it's showing with sue gray. i think it's showing every single corner that you shine a light on of this new shambolic government. >> andy, we should sack her. shouldn't, shouldn't, shouldn't keir starmer sucker. no no no no no he shouldn't because the government is 12 weeks old and there's a ton of stuff that needs to get done. >> and she's an important cog in that machine. but what i would say is that if you're the story as an adviser 12 weeks into a government that is a massive problem going back at 20 years or so, when alastair campbell became a story, he resigned because he knew he'd gone too far , and she needs to just get far, and she needs to just get back in her box as far as i'm concerned. on dominic cummings he was earning more than sue gray in real terms four years ago. so let's be let's just be very clear about that. he's no saint either. >> let me i'm not saying he's a

saint, but this is hypocritical. and they're supposed to be the do good party for the working man. this is outrageous. i have to say. and you will see. you will see at the labour conference. you will see tomorrow the outrage . i think tomorrow the outrage. i think you're going to see a lot of people not happy. your members are going to be really upset, though. >> andy is that not a worry for you as a supporter right now when they're briefing against each other and there's clearly a power imbalance within number 10, i don't think i think there's a power clash. >> you've got sue gray and morgan mcsweeney, and they are sort of on equal footing, and they have they're wanting to do things in different ways. it is a worry. it's a massive distraction and i think it needs to stop. but lizzie, just what is it? that is it. what is it that bothers you? is it that she's earning 170 k, or that she's earning 170 k, or that she's earning 170 k, or that she's earning more than the prime minister? both, actually. don't you think 170 grand to be chief of staff to the prime minister seems like a fair salary. >> i think it's too much in this. we're in a high cost of living with everything, and they're supposed to be for the working man. i think it's quite outrageous. and she's getting more. and she knew getting more

than keir starmer. >> if you want top talent in government, you've got to pay for it. >> but andy, it's the hypocrisy that stinks for most people. most people wouldn't bat an eyelid at pay of people in downing street. i don't think they want them to be earning this much money, if we're being honest, but most people would understand if that was an important position. it's the hypocrisy that the labour party have shown and the contempt they've shown for the british people by saying, you can't do that, tories. but when they get into government, they do exactly the same thing as they said that you shouldn't do. >> exactly, because on dominic cummings pay salary increase, sir keir starmer tweeted out saying that actually the mask has slipped to boris johnson. >> yeah, well there's always, there's always a tweet and he kept saying about the, about the, the elderly that all their bills going up and look what he's doing to our own pensioners this very minute. those are two completely different issues. i just don't think they're i don't think they're even remotely related. winter fuel allowance isn't it. >> and it's optics. you've got pensioners wondering what they're going to do without this £300, which is almost nothing when someone's been paid £170,000 and most people don't really know who sue grey is. she's not the prime minister.

>> no. and nor should they. and i'd much prefer it if no one had ever heard of her, sir. >> she might be actually. >> she might be actually. >> well, well, i'm sure angela rayneris >> well, well, i'm sure angela rayner is absolutely fuming because multiple whitehall sources have said that she thinks she's deputy prime minister and she acts like she said she is a funnel for all information that goes to the pm. >> she's pulling the strings and she's chief of staff at one of our viewers questions to you, martin says. >> what is the real threat to britain? is single pensioners who don't have the income to replace a broken boiler, for example, to fix leaking roofs or windows. and they're considered too wealthy on an annual income of 11,500 pounds. but the grandstanding on the world stage is a nonsense , as we're is a nonsense, as we're basically bankrupt. do you actually worry? then that all of this in the round is actually making labour look entirely out of touch to the british public? and that explains why their polling numbers are dropping like a hot potato? >> well, i think firstly, keir starmer is still the most popular party leader in the country. >> are you joking? >> are you joking? >> mine is the daily mail. >> mine is the daily mail. >> today is in some part i don't

agree with you there. >> according to polling in the daily mail today, that that is the case. so i'm just going on today's polling. but you know, maybe that polling is wrong. i think it is. >> 53% of british people think he's doing a very bad job. that's also polling. >> but hang on, answer. answer martin's exact question. >> yeah, yeah. well, so i think again, i think we're looking at two different things. i understand why some people might think it's out of touch, but the reality on the winter fuel allowance is that 80% of the people who were getting wind fuel allowance didn't need it. and that's age uk's own figures. right? so i understand there are people at the lower end and on the margins who need support, and i think it's important to the government does it's important the government does everything they can to make sure those people continue to get all of these people in government who leave on these salaries. >> they go on to really high paid jobs and, you know, milk and they milk the system. yeah. beautiful pension. >> but let's be let's be serious. >> if we want good, high quality, capable, well—educated people at the top levels of government, we have to pay them a reasonable amount. >> part of me that sees any competence and top talent in the

government, in the corporate world, a lot of the people at the top of number 10 would be earning several, not in the oh well, they chose public service. okay. exactly right. we'll leave that one there. still to come though, as his brand new government comes under increasing pressure over policies and scandals. is sir keir starmer britain's worst ever? prime minister already will thrash that one out next year with the saturday five live on gb

welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for all of your messages on gbnews.com/yoursay mark says, well, andy has two tears stop the boats yet all of that cash at the top and no action. hey, of course he hasn't . action. hey, of course he hasn't. >> he's only had 12 weeks. >> he's only had 12 weeks. >> well, he said he would get his new top chief of border

command in straight away. how did the last government do on that? >> i've been flying them to rwanda now. >> yeah, they cancelled that. >> yeah, they cancelled that. >> going to albania instead, aren't they? that's the new plan. yeah, well and world tour. >> mark also points out that nigel farage is actually currently the top leader for the public. so, yeah, i mean, it strikes me that farage has momentum. >> he has he does momentum . >> he has he does momentum. yeah. so does keir. but it's down. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> apparently 3000 people signed up to reform overnight. were you one of them? >> andy i certainly was not. hahaha. he's got the blues. >> god, andy, you know who's next up then ? next up then? >> well it's me. oh, before i start, can i just say, do you like my new, spectacles? it's scary. >> is the designer lord ali, by any chance, >> i actually bought them myself, unlike some. so it's keir starmer, our worst ever prime minister. well, let me tell you, he seems to see things through. rose coloured specs. they're the free ones. let's

start . glasses. over 2500 start. glasses. over 2500 clothes galore for him and his wife. we've got holidays. yes. and don't forget that arsenal box that's over eight grand a week. yes folks. that's true. all that's missing really is like a speedboat or a cuddly toy. it's like the generation game keeps on coming. yeah, he's quite happy, isn't he, to take off our dear pensioners and favour the unions. yes, we're at their peril. and the wealth are leaving. they really are. this country with the huge tax hikes which are going through the roof. i mean, let me tell you in the last five months, 4500 millionaires have already left this country, headed to dubai or warmer climates because they can't bear the coming tax rates. they're going to hit us all. and borrowing has risen to 13.7 billion, and we're now living in

this nanny state. yes. don't you dare go and have a cigarette in that pub garden. i'm telling you. and you can't write anything on facebook. no, indeed . anything on facebook. no, indeed. and he's still giving. giving, though we're really on our knees to the foreign aid. yes, they're giving 9 billion and climate ideology over 11.3 billion. so i'm asking you really, is this government got our interests at first? you know, the first order of any government is to have their own people at the forefront. i tell you, i think in my eyes, he's the worst ever prime minister. >> oh, well, andy, we've got to let you have a bite of the cherry there. you think he's the best thing since sliced bread? >> no, i think tony blair is the best thing since sliced bread. oh god. >> but gb news viewers are going to be turning in their sofas listening to that. >> i hope so, no, of course, of course . obviously, even keir course. obviously, even keir starmer's harshest critics wouldn't say that he was the worst prime minister ever. i mean, the two worst prime

ministers of all time have both been prime ministers within the last five years. and their names are boris johnson, who did more to debase the office of prime minister than anybody else. if you're talking about hospitality and hospitality and gifts, he took more money from donors. half of most of which he didn't declare. actually, he was having his food delivered to downing street. he was having his gold wallpaper painted by boris johnson. >> may i step in? boris johnson wasn't pretending to be holier than thou and, you know, for the working, the working man, you know, all of that is out the window because that's what keir starmer has given this false whole image to , to the electorate. >> boris johnson didn't stand on a platform of i'm going to get rid of sleaze. the grown ups are in the room and we are going to be the people who serve you. that's where he stood on time and time again. >> and andy, answer this question right . starmer's question right. starmer's popularity, if you look at the polling that actually tells us that he's about under the 30% mark for john major, that took

397 days for harold wilson, it took 664 days for boris, it was 675 days. and for tony blair it was 1082 days. now the question i put to you there, it's when you work that out as 11 times faster than the average of 765 days for most leaders, releasing criminals, as lizzie says, pursuing those on facebook, this net zero penchant for making things expensive in this country and making our pensioners freeze well, it's like the man's got a death wish, isn't it? >> well, i mean, on releasing prisoners, that was something he was forced into doing because the previous prime minister was so, was so cavalier to let the prisons, to let the prisons get to a stage where they were at capacity. >> so not actually can i just say tony blair was one that knew the prisons were crumbling and schools and did nothing about it. let me tell you what is so

awful is that if i have a friend who has suffered with domestic abuse and is so scared at night that her ex—partner is going to be released, how can starmer sleep at night when he's releasing you know all the wrong people and letting in the wrong people and letting in the wrong people into prisons? >> it's absolutely disgraceful andifs >> it's absolutely disgraceful and it's and it's really awful. and no prime minister wants to release a load of prisoners. but you can't blame tony blair for the state of prisons 17 years after he left. >> the thing is, andy, is that free gear cares. i think his new name is two tier care. free gear care. i don't know what else we can come up with tonight. well done. we have to make some more. >> we can all we can all do rhymes. >> alex. that's right, i mean rhymes. it's fantastic stuff. but he's he's getting the names because he's. this is the stuff he's guilty of. and i think if you're this early on in your prime ministerial run and the net rating for you is about —19, you're in big trouble. if the general election was called tomorrow, he'd be out. no he wouldn't. >> do you know what? he's so awful. he they didn't even have tags on some of those that were

released early. and they don't know where they are. they weren't tagged because they weren't tagged because they weren't equipped. they weren't ready for the influx of prisoners coming out to deal with the problems. >> the last tory government. and there's plenty of criticism there, that's for sure. whether or not he's got to deal with those problems doesn't change how he behaves. it doesn't change how he we've got 10,000 foreign criminals in our prisons. why don't we deport them? we'll solve the overcrowding problem and people will be safe on our streets. >> well, i'll talk to you about that later, because it seems we can't deport one person. but i think it's absolutely right. and actually, all of these things are choices. all of them. they chose to get rid of veranda. they could have used it. they could have tried, but no, because it was a it was a game. to them. it was schoolboy politics. >> no it wasn't, it was a failing policy that was costing loads of money and achieving the square root of. >> so they should have tried it rather than dump £500 million, they should have tried it first in the last seven days, 1200 have come over and him smashing the gangs, i'd like to say, what is he actually doing with smashing the gangs? >> can you just answer the substance of what lizzie said? which is, you know, he's the

worst prime minister that we've ever known. could you just make the case that he's not? >> well, i mean, two words. liz truss done. liz truss was out, but liz truss was out by now. >> he's given the letters a good run for the money. let me tell you, liz truss is no prime minister. >> liz truss look like the world's best leader. we all know, darren. >> even you don't believe that. i mean, keir starmer has had a rocky start from a comms perspective. rocky, obviously all of this stuff about clothing is not ideal. i wish he'd never taken them. i don't think it's great. i think the comms has been terrible. i think the sue gray stuff is, but i actually think the football stuff is fine. by the way. i think the football thing is completely fine because i do think it's a security risk. >> why was rishi. >> why was rishi. >> rishi a crowd of 60,000 people absolutely not have flown to multiple different countries together. >> and every time they leave empty handed. yeah, exactly. >> as renee says, prince william sits in the stands at aston villa. >> rishi sunak did. rishi sunak at southampton. >> do you really think that prince william sits in the stands at aston villa and there are no security people around? >> no, no, of course they wouldn't give him security.

>> it's going to get security. he doesn't need to have over eight grand. it's costing to go to watch arsenal. and it's not about arsenal because i support chelsea. >> still to come though. my friends renee, as she says, has got something to tell you and it ain't good folks. but we'll also be asking if british schools teach in so—called toxic masculinity is right for our kids. you won't believe the scale of which it's happening. that's tonight's big interview. but next, after their landmark conference in birmingham, our reform uk taking politics seriously enough money. andy has got some words with saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for all of your messages. apart from these ones, margaret has written in and margaret says, oh my goodness, who did his makeup ?

says, oh my goodness, who did his makeup? him being says, oh my goodness, who did his makeup ? him being me, he his makeup? him being me, he looks like a clown . casper. looks like a clown. casper. shocking. it's called the reform party conference bar. that's what it's called . but then to what it's called. but then to conflict what margaret's written in, jonathan says, whatever has happened to darren, he looks 20 years younger. you do also. what have you been up to? >> who knew? >> who knew? >> who knew pints could be so restorative? >> were they doing botox at the reform bar? >> it was nigel himself. reform bar? >> it was nigel himself . lord >> it was nigel himself. lord darzi supplied the, you know, serum. and then we were away. anyway. it's time. speaking of reform conference, it's time for our next debate. and who's going to lead us off on reform? >> that'll be me . and as we've >> that'll be me. and as we've just been hearing, darren and alex have been with nigel farage and the reform party at their party conference in birmingham. but according to reports, it's been notable for the complete lack of ideas about how the reform party would actually change britain. the party, in farage's own words, is amateurish. there was plenty of talk about scrapping net zero,

ending the bbc licence fee, every pet subject of the populist right. but where's the serious thinking about what british people really care about? putting more money back in people's pockets and growing the economy. if britain is broken, as nigel farage says, where are their solutions? and if nigel farage seriously thinks he stands a chance of becoming the next prime minister, he's more delusional than even i thought he was. >> well, let me start you off here, andy. having just been there and listened to the manifesto and listened to the topics that were discussed, they are talking about the thing that most people in this country want to talk about immigration being one of them. our broken nhs , all one of them. our broken nhs, all these things, particularly our immigration, which is what i think 85% of british people think 85% of british people think this is the number one issue in the country. >> now, that's completely untrue , alex. >> it's not, it's not, it's not at all. it's been polled by multiple pollsters that it's now the top issue in our country. and british people. it's the it's the unheard majority of people most likely. but reform

stands for things that the unheard group of people in this country want to be. that gives them a voice, a voice. >> an ipsos poll on friday looked at this, looked at exactly what you're saying. the idea that reform speaks for the, you know, the voiceless and it's not true on every single major issue in britain, reform is out of step with the general public, factually, on every level. less than 1 in 5 people in britain. >> nonsense. >> nonsense. >> less than 1 in 5 people in britain say that immigration is their top priority, according to this poll. >> and keir starmer couldn't ever answer one question or give his policies on that before the election. and he has. >> but what i want to know, alex, because you were there. so maybe you can enlighten me because i wasn't there hands up. so maybe the reporting has been unfair. i want to know, what is nigel farage's plan to get the economy growing again? >> well, the whole point of the conference and this is matt goodwin, actually had a fantastic statement. he said focus on the issues that are affecting british people the most. and immigration is the top issue, as i said, and i'm absolutely confident about those numbers on that. restarting the economy is going to take time,

but we can't restart the economy when we've got low skilled, poorly paid labour coming in and sucking up all that extra cash for working class people. we can't start. we've got to start somewhere. and immigration is the first place i'm going to say this, andy, i think polls are really interesting on this kind of topic. >> firstly, you used the term when you gave your lovely little speech. populist, right? populist is the new insult. you used to be far. right now it's populist, right. so things that are popular and are gravitating people towards the same point, i.e. nigel farage is now an insult. so, you know, you can call me populist. i'm a populist, i love it. but the thing that's really important is, is that people are so shouted at by people like you for having views that might augn for having views that might align with reforms that when they're polled by ipsos and yougov and whoever else, they just say what they think is the easiest route out. so they don't get shouted at. >> and i'll tell you what it is. it's the craven msm that have convinced people that their views are utterly toxic and beyond the pale, that they think that having border controls and actually not taxing everyone out

of existence and not actually ensuring that pensioners shiver in their own homes are all extreme views. you know, you can't possibly reduce taxation. you can't possibly grow the economy, you can't possibly have an energy policy that doesn't ensure that we're all left ehhen ensure that we're all left either. choosing between food or fuel. all of these things are utterly absurd. you have made us, i'm afraid, on your side of the fence painted us as a nation of swivel eyed bigots when we are not. we are a nation of common sense. individuals who are small c conservative in our views and values. and i just totally reject this slander of the 4 million people who voted for reform, i think , andy, that for reform, i think, andy, that you want to pray to almighty god that the labour party don't lose all of their seats in the red wall to reform, who came second in many of those seats in 89 seats, i know, and i think that is a real risk. >> but you've not engaged with

my point, which is that the number one issue for most people is how much money do i have in my pocket? can i pay my bills? is the economy going to grow? where are the policies? >> where are the policies? every unskilled migrant that comes into this country costs taxpayers £150,000, and that goes up to a million if they live past the age of 80. right. so we're going to talk about putting money back in their pockets. and quite frankly, if we're asking what labour have done for people putting money back in people's pockets, they've done the exact opposite. they've taken it away. they're making people in this country very, very poor. but spending money. >> and also what you've got to realise that people are disillusioned with the tories and labour and the labour start has been diabolical. people are looking for something else. and what nigel brings is something energetic. it's positive, it's got high energy. and to me he is the goat, which is called greatest of all time . but people greatest of all time. but people are seriously looking for something new and he speaks the truth. he has freedom of speech . truth. he has freedom of speech. we're not being, you know, labour are trying to stop us in every corner. we're not allowed to say what we really feel. it's the nanny state. as i say, we can't even have a cigarette in the back garden.

>> lizzie, you're literally on tv saying what you feel. so i don't think labour are doing a very good job of cracking down on freedom of speech. that's right. no they're not. >> they're trying very hard. >> they're trying very hard. >> nigel farage. i know i do not. >> those words in the islamophobic. >> nigel. nigel. nigel. nigel farage is absolutely. i agree with you. an energetic politician, a charismatic politician. he's been incredibly consequential. he's affected a lot of things. brexit wouldn't have happened without him, does he have a plan to get britain growing again and to get more money back in people's pockets? well, i haven't seen it. >> well, it's really weird because because they're not doing anything to grow the economy. >> they are taking money out of our pensioners pockets. literally before the election, he would not give us any details on his policies. >> and i think if we knew his policies, no one would have voted for labour, although it's all there in the manifesto and there was a massive, massive, massive, massive multiple of them. >> keir starmer set out a statement saying i will not harm the pensioners, i will not betray pensioners. and what did he do? he betrayed them. >> one of our members, josh, says, grow the economy by putting more money into the british people's pockets. get

rid of the subsidies for net zero, reduce immigration, only allow people with skills and jobs in this country get people working again. that's what we need. that's what britain wants. >> there are some people who are doing very, very well in this labour government. outrageous pay- labour government. outrageous pay. sue greys. yes, indeed. the donors are doing very well. they're looking after angela raynen they're looking after angela rayner, david lammy. all right. >> but they're driving away the wealth. labour are driving away the wealth. how can we have a strong economy with that? >> we'll leave that there. still to come tonight is masculinity really toxic? we'll delve deeper into tonight's big interview. but next. is it wrong that a foreign criminal who clubbed a man to death in the back of an ambulance can't be deported due to fears over his mental health? you're with the saturday five live on gb

welcome back to the saturday five. thank you very much for your emails about tonight's topics. but actually i want to go straight to doctor renee to ensure she can actually develop this story, which is quite shocking. take it away, doctor renee. god that rhymed. i'm a poet and i didn't know it. >> so today we learned about a ugandan man who, when he was 18, chased another man in the uk into the back of an ambulance where the guy went for safety. and then he went into the ambulance and clubbed him to death with a baseball bat. he's since served 16 years of a life term which had a minimum of 16 years, and an immigration judge has just prevented the home office from deporting him because it would be inhumane, because it would be inhumane, because uganda doesn't have the facilities to support his mental health and he would miss his mum, poor thing. so this man's appealis mum, poor thing. so this man's appeal is one of 27,000 currently waiting to be heard under these human rights laws. these appeals have quadrupled since march 23, when there were

just 7500. and the refugee council say they're about to go up substantially. frankly, i don't give a about this. evil killers, mental health care. i care about the man who died. i care about the man who died. i care about the man who died. i care about his family, and i care about his family, and i care about his family, and i care about us being safe on the streets of the uk. well, andy, yes, i have to start with you. >> i think we're going to have an outbreak of consensus here, because how can you i know how can you defend that? i mean, i do think we need to be thoughtful about people's human rights. if they play by the rules, it's that ofcom. >> hello . i've done it again. >> hello. i've done it again. i've done it again. i've done it again . again. >> we need to be thoughtful about people's human rights. if they play by the rules. if you don't, you've broken the trust of the country that has let you in and given you shelter from whatever horrible regime you come from. and there's no there's no there's no protection. >> no protection for people like what renee though , he's just what renee though, he's just said and he's just said earlier,

tony blair, best prime minister this country has ever known who passed the human rights legislation that enshrined the echr in british law. that has meant it's a terrorist's charter. >> in my opinion, it is the terrorist charter, and it's also the lawyers charter, because the fact that these lists are going up and up and up are because these lawyers know now that this is where they can go for protection. we've had a similar case this week. one of the rotherham groomers that, you know, abused this 11 year old girl, raped her repeatedly, has beenin girl, raped her repeatedly, has been in this country for 20 years. two years, does not speak a word of english and will likely not be deported because he now has a family here. yeah, yeah. >> well, i think that's shocking. >> and her one wish when she was. >> i want to help ofcom here and i'll give a little bit of balance. oh no. yeah. on tony blair because tony blair unlike our current labour government actually deported hundreds of thousands of foreign criminals dunng thousands of foreign criminals during his course of office. i'm not saying that i totally agree with darren on the on the human rights laws that he put in, which have really clamped our

hands down to be able to do anything about it. but at least he understood. and he's gone on multiple interviews lately and said, this is ridiculous. i don't know what we're doing. and i actually, for the first time even i actually, for the first time ever, have actually ended up agreeing with tony blair. i actually think we should we should be coming down and seeing the light. alex. well, well well no flair. blair keir should be listening to your best mate. i know he's putting blair's portrait up in place of margaret thatcher, but maybe he should take a leaf out of his own book and actually start deporting foreign criminals. and we will solve our overcrowded prisons and we will solve crime rising on our streets, and we will make britain safer. >> rac. yes. what do you think about that? no, i think it's horrific. and our criminal justice system is a shambolic mess. and there's more sympathies for the criminals than the actual victims themselves. as you just talked about the rotherham and the poon about the rotherham and the poor, the poor girl was on afterwards said, look, you know, i don't want them to be in this country. and the judge wouldn't let her change her statement. it's absolutely shambolic and it needs a total rehab. >> do you know what shout out to charlie peters as well, renee,

because he was the only one there. the bbc gb news were amazing to stay. >> well, let's let's think about it. you know, everybody says that, you know, the judiciary are impartial, but they're clearly not. they're a left leaning judiciary. and this is why this is going through so easily. >> one of our viewers says he's called well, it's josh again. hello, josh. i keep picking you out. i'm so sorry. if people commit crimes and we all know they have mental health issues. if you're a murderer, you've got mental health issues. i hope his mental health issues. i hope his mental health issues. i hope his mental health suffers. if he was to be deported, well, that's it. >> and look , i'm just going to >> and look, i'm just going to quickly talk about the huw edwards case. i mean, he was he was actually spared jail yet again because of mental health, mental health issues. now, what about the victims? what about their mental health? this is where it's all so wrong. it really is. >> you're absolutely . yeah. >> you're absolutely. yeah. well, i was going to say you're absolutely right, by the way. and i think what those guidelines that the judge followed by the way, are laws. they are written in guidelines. this is how you prosecute this person. he followed the guidance and he followed the guidance

which says something about our justice system. we need to rip it up and start again. >> one of our members, richard, says, i am literally incandescent with rage that a treacherous immigration judge has elevated the so—called rights of a ugandan murderer over those lawfully resident in the uk. there we are 100% right. lots more to come on the show tonight, including supposed toxic masculinity in our schools. we're going to have a saturday scrap over. robert jenrick claims that our national identity is under threat, and we show you ed davey's latest pubuc show you ed davey's latest public meltdown. what an embarrassment. first of all, though, it's your weather. see you after this . you after this. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. good evening. some of us certainly entered astronomical summer with a bang. we've seen a few thunderstorms around across southern areas today, and there's the continuing chance that we see a few of those pushing across central into parts of wales might clip into the far south of

northern ireland. as we head throughout the evening. we then got a second pulse of thundery rain, pushing its way into the far south of england. as we head towards dawn on sunday morning. quite muggy and humid in amongst all of this as well. temperatures not dropping too far at all, but it will be chillier for the north—west of scotland. underneath, the clearer skies here might see a touch of frost in some very sheltered areas. and for scotland, sunday is certainly one of a east west split. the best of the sunshine will be across those western areas. quite a nice fine start for lewis and harris. the highlands, argyll and bute as well. but the cloud still lingering along those eastern coastal areas, maybe with some drizzle around at times it will try and burn back a bit as we head throughout the day. northern ireland seeing some sunshine during the afternoon as well. but for much of wales central, southern areas of wales central, southern areas of england, this band of rain will be steadily pushing its way northwards with some very heavy pulses possible. and there is a rain warning in force throughout the day. so do take care if you are travelling or out and about. some disruption is certainly possible. again, it is going to be quite warm and humid even amongst all this rain. so temperatures where you do start

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teaching the theory of toxic masculinity in british schools? and to reiterate that debate there robert jenrick is he wrong to say that our national identity is now under threat? interesting. and middleton, the former sas guy, actually said on the reform stage last night that he thinks identity in that crisis site of identity is at the root of our issues. so let me know what you think about that. me know what you think about that . then we'll answer your that. then we'll answer your questions in ask the five, send them through to gbnews.com/yoursay first of all, though, it's your saturday night news with the lady in red. tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> darren. thank you. the top story sir keir starmer says labour's conference would show how labour are fixing the foundations and rebuilding our country. now the prime minister is intent on shifting attention

away from rows over donations and internal number 10 infighting. arriving at the conference centre in liverpool earlier today alongside his deputy angela rayner, sir keir starmer said it was labour's biggest conference ever. >> the change is starting and today we're going to set out and over the next coming days how we're fixing the foundations and rebuilding our country. so enjoy. conference very , very enjoy. conference very, very good to be here and today has been day two of the reform conference in birmingham with party leader nigel farage giving his farewell address earlier this afternoon. >> last night mr farage told supporters he believes reform can win the next general election, given the number of people that agree with their principles. he also explained what drove him to stand as clacton's mp once the general election was called earlier this yeah >> at almost every level we've been betrayed. and then i thought about what was happening on our streets and frankly, i thought of myself . britain is thought of myself. britain is

broken . and then i couldn't help broken. and then i couldn't help it . but if broken. and then i couldn't help it. but if britain broken. and then i couldn't help it . but if britain is broken. and then i couldn't help it. but if britain is broken , it. but if britain is broken, then logically, britain needs reform. >> in other news, this year marks the 80th anniversary of operation market garden and the battle of arnhem. celebrations in the netherlands. this weekend will commemorate 80 years since 1900. allied troops parachuted into the then occupied country with the aim of recapturing the bndges with the aim of recapturing the bridges of arnhem. throughout the day to day, the contemporary equivalents of those men recreated the drop at ginkel heath in ida, jumping from an aircraft into the very same place our troops would have landed eight decades ago. earlier, brigadier mark berry told gb news how it feels to be there on the ground today. >> i think the struggle that soldiers felt here on the ground, the very, very difficult conditions that they faced, epitomise what any one of us feel we could be called to face

in the modern era. and therefore we come here to commemorate the bravery of those who went before us, and to challenge ourselves to think about their bravery . to think about their bravery. and will we be brave enough when our time comes ? our time comes? >> and in just a few short hours time, anthony joshua will challenge daniel dubois for the ibf world heavyweight title. yes, that is boxing at a very sold out wembley stadium, and the all—british fight will see joshua try to take that title from dubois in an attempt to join the likes of muhammad ali, lennox lewis and evander holyfield by becoming a three time world heavyweight champion . time world heavyweight champion. now things remained relatively calm at the weigh in yesterday, although both fighters have said they will do whatever it takes to win . and those are the latest to win. and those are the latest gb news headlines for now, i'm

tatiana sanchez. i'll be back in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for another very lively hour. now, one of your emails, elizabeth, one of your emails, elizabeth, on the issue that we're going to be discussing regarding national identity in our debate, the saturday scrap later on, elizabeth says , when i go to elizabeth says, when i go to wales, in scotland, i don't feel their identity is under threat. i haven't been to northern ireland, though i would like to, but i felt for most of this century that england's is, and that's an interesting one. and england of course, has received the most the biggest bed, the biggest brunt of mass migration. is that the answer there. well

here renee and a&e obviously under pressure. >> well ireland it's not so much belfast but you know the repubuc belfast but you know the republic of ireland is now what do you make of this? >> the fact that nearly a third of english secondary schools are teaching about toxic masculinity in mandatory relations, relationships or health, and education courses? that's according to a new report by the family education trust. toxic masculinity has multiple definitions , and its use in definitions, and its use in educational settings isn't uniform. but in some english schools, the most inflammatory read of the concept that masculinity or men themselves are innately bad. that's been taught to students. these kids must be brought up with a sense of self—loathing . if you ask me, of self—loathing. if you ask me, that's a disgrace. even if i am wearing makeup that apparently makes me look like a clown. now, to discuss this, i'm pleased to welcome the political

commentator conor tomlinson . commentator conor tomlinson. now, conor, thank you very much for your company. you've read this report and you've seen its findings. how concerned are you that there's a generation of young men and as you've argued before, conor, a generation of lost young men who are being told that their sex makes them inherently bad . inherently bad. >> yes. i was actually at the family education trust's conference today where they were discussing the findings. one of the alarming things in the full report is prints of the materials shown in schools that responded. only 65% of schools complied with the freedom of information request, but one of them showed a slide show from their lesson materials, and it had a pyramid. and at the base of the pyramid were things that men would stereotypically do , men would stereotypically do, like being the breadwinner or protecting the family. and at the top of the pyramid was rape and abusing your spouse. so the idea is that gendered, stereotyped behaviours actually a lot of these roles that men derive, a lot of meaning from

using their entrepreneurialism or their strength to protect and provide for their loved ones leads ineluctably to abusing those very same people. and this is the stuff that is being taught to young boys. young boys, by the way, through no fault of their own or a historic disadvantage because 44% of them hit age 18 now and have either scarcely or never had their father living in the home with them . how do they even model them. how do they even model healthy masculinity, and especially when they're told by the school system that all of their expressions of their competence are toxic? i think it's disgraceful. >> and what would you say, conor is a healthy reading of masculinity. what would you like the message to be to these young lads who are being brought up in, as you say, fatherless homes and all the rest of it who don't have a role model in their lives, how can we actually foster a healthy relationship when it comes to, you know, expressing your masculinity and all the rest of it ? because some all the rest of it? because some people are deeply critical of the fact that the likes of andrew tate, for example, are coming to the fore for these

young lads. >> well, andrew tate was a former pornographer who has now turned into an islamic cleric, so i don't think he's the best role model. i actually quite like doctor jordan peterson's like doctorjordan peterson's phrase, which is be the man who is emotionally and physically strong enough to not only carry your father's coffin at the funeral, but deliver a fantastic eulogy for him and allow your female family members to cry into your shoulder and be the emotional rock upon which those waves can break. essentially, be someone strong enough financially, emotionally, physically so you can protect and provide for those in your life who need you. and from those acts of service, you'll denve those acts of service, you'll derive a hell of a lot of personal meaning, a lot of meaning that isn't found in wasting your time on video games or other less savoury pursuits. >> i've heard you quite like a video game now and then i have quit. >> years ago i used to play a hell of a lot of them. i think they're a massive time sink for male achievement. i think they're a massive trap for feeling like you're getting

things done vicariously. and i think, frankly, a lot of lads are doing these now because schools are really boring. they're treating men like defective girls . they don't defective girls. they don't actually they're not ergonomic to the way they like to achieve, which is physical on hands learning or they're too general, they're too quiet. and a lot of men aren't doing things like the scouts or compulsory, sports clubs , which aren't sex clubs, which aren't sex segregated anymore. and they're not spending a lot of time around their dads like they would, you know, a hundred years ago learning a sort of discipline and looking up to their dad and following in the family business. i think that's why a lot of guys are playing fortnite for hundreds of hours a week, rather than getting a job and a girlfriend. >> connor, i wanted to ask you because you've done a lot of work around this issue of toxic masculinity and debunking it from your understanding, where would you say this has come from? where has this attack on men derived from? >> so there's three points, i'd say, for this. lots of people would say it's feminist theory. i think judith butler or simone de beauvoir. and that's kind of true. but the feminist theorists are a small sliver of women who

have never, frankly, had a healthy relationship with men in their lives. and so project that unhealthiness out onto all women. and when those women have a bad experience with one pretty awful guy, they suddenly think that's all men. and therefore you have this antagonistic relationship between the sexes. but it's also just how culture has changed. men and women used to have really clearly defined roles and jobs. but as soon as the industrial revolution , the the industrial revolution, the birth control pill came along, it sort of throws it up into the air and men and women don't really know who they are to each other anymore. so i think we've lost the art of negotiation. i think as well, the internet makes this a lot worse. there's frankly, podcasts on both sides that, because there's a lot of ambiguity around dating. there's ambiguity around dating. there's a lot of risk nowadays, especially if everything can be tweeted out or filmed. lots of people are anxious about approaching the opposite sex or having a relationship. and so these podcasts have started saying, this is what all men do wrong. this is what all women do wrong, because there's a sort of uncertainty about, oh, it's just frozen there. >> oh, we were just about to go. >> oh, we were just about to go.

>> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> sorry, connor. you just froze up ever so slightly there. but we're going to let doctor renee come in with a question now. yeah. hi, connor. >> connor. i'm just thinking, as a mother of a young girl, actually, i wonder about this effect. not just on the boys at secondary school, but also the girls who have brothers and fathers. and when they do have a healthy relationship with those men in their lives, this must be massively confusing for them to sit and listen to. >> yeah, it's not doing girls a good service because as we know from new social covenant polling, 92% of women 18 to 30in the uk want at least two children. that's great because currently britain's not having enough kids as it is, but the age at which people are having healthy relationships, getting married, having the kids, they say they want is being indefinitely put off to the point where now 50% of women in the uk have reached 30 and don't have the kids that they want. and so if you're telling them that the men in their lives are evil rapists in waiting, which is the messaging from some of these lessons, then of course it's going to put them off the

relationships that, again, they themselves say they want. so i think it's doing a massive disservice to young women to tell them that the otherwise healthy men in their lives, be it their future husbands or their friends, brothers , their friends, brothers, fathers, are just a toxic influence. they should stay away from. >> andy, just before you ask your question, cassandra has written in and she says, in what other sphere would stereotypes be applied to one group if stereotypes were applied to other groups? there would be uproar from the left. this is a sign of two tier values. would you accept that? >> no. and i don't think men , >> no. and i don't think men, boys at school are being told that men are innately bad. i don't think that's what's happening here. my question to connoris happening here. my question to connor is connor, do you think it's important that schoolchildren, boys and girls are told and understand that 98% of sexual offences are committed by men , and that 94% of domestic by men, and that 94% of domestic violence offences are committed by men? >> yeah. of course, i'd love to see the ethnic breakdown, the cultural breakdown of that, but i don't think you want to

provide that because it would go against your narrative. i think it's also good to show that that is a product, not of an excess of masculinity, but instead a withdrawal of chivalry, because if you treat men and women as functionally indistinct as current culture does , then current culture does, then unfortunately men have no reason to treat women respectfully. chivalry, which would require them not to engage in those behaviours, as you quite rightly say , are wrong. so if we're say, are wrong. so if we're going to pretend men and women are exactly the same, except boys who just aren't good enough at being girls, then you've taken away all the social institutions that stop the worst kind of men from doing that to women, and also the best kind of man from stopping those worst kind of men. >> and, connor, can i ask you, as you've said so well, about being brought up as a single parent, bringing up boys has a massive influence. so who are their role models ? because for their role models? because for me it would be the teacher. but as we as we know, sadly, schools are kind of like brainwashing our children . our children. >> well, also the problem is the

large amount of teachers are women. and look, there are wonderful female teachers. i've had them myself, but as a rambunctious young boy, especially if you're discouraged from play fighting with other boys, it's kind of difficult to take lessons in physical aggression from women. it's much easier to take it from a man because there's always this sort of unspoken assumption that if you get too out of control, the man can step in as a physical challenge to that. even though obviously if you're a school teacher, you shouldn't. but the main issue is we've sex segregated a lot of spaces . segregated a lot of spaces. those spaces have been infiltrated with the same kind of ideology that you see in schools. and so are you shocked when they turn to online content creators, especially when some of the healthier ones have been chased off the platforms and they're left with the tates and they're left with the tates and the like? what you need is more fathers in the home, more men in institutions, more men in roles institutions, more men in roles in public life that are speaking about this. and i think, frankly, a minister for men and boys, though i wouldn't think the labour party too interested in that. >> leslie, do you think actually there's been a there is a crisis of responsibility here, right.

because men it never used to be the case that men would leave the case that men would leave the home, the family home and just say , well, i can't be, you just say, well, i can't be, you know, i can't be bothered with this, that actually that's the crisis here, that there's a complete dereliction of your duty. what was once perceived to be your duty. and now it's all, yeah, your own self—interest. exactly. >> and the family unit is so important, and it instils respect. and as you said, you know, having manners , just basic know, having manners, just basic things that that aren't there anymore. do you think labour are doing a good job at actually fostering those kinds of. no, i don't i really don't , and we don't i really don't, and we need to bring back the family unit. it's so important for fathers to have a huge role in their boys and girls lives, and i don't understand why this has anything to do with labour. >> well, they haven't been in government. well, they haven't been for the last 14 years. these trends don't shift over 12 week periods. >> i'm not suggesting but they're doing this in pshe classes. hang on. connor's got something in the education system that was completely remodelled by michael gove.

>> when. yeah, i agree the conservatives have been absolutely dreadful on this because they did this in 2020. but when the blair government were in power, i remember them reforming the divorce laws and the like. and harriet harman said that men are inessential to the family. so labour have had this attitude for a very long time. the conservatives have had this attitude because they're also very, very liberal and none of them have been willing to say that the best kind of family for a child is to have their biological mother and father married in the home, and when two conservatives did say that, which is danny kruger and miriam cates, they were pilloried by the press and members of their own party because they're absolute cowards. >> well, yeah, because i think actually the sort of jess phillips activist response was that actually you're encouraging men, women rather, who are in relationships which are dysfunctional and potentially bad for them to stay there. how would you respond to that, connoh >> fortunately, that is the infinitesimally few number of women that are in those scenarios. in those scenarios, i think we should have much harsher penalties for abusing women and children than we

currently have, as seen by the recent huw edwards case, to deter the kinds of psychos that would do that to people. >> all right, connor, we'll leave that there. thank you very much for your time. that's connor tomlinson there with his insight into the crisis of masculinity and teaching it in our schools. now, doctor renee is going to go up against andy williams shortly as robert jenrick claims that the english national identity is under threat. you're with the saturday five live on gb news. that was alex

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shopping . tessa. getting a rough shopping. tessa. getting a rough time i am, i am, i look like clown. >> i'm wearing a top. well, it's better than that pride shirt you wore last year that went down very badly. >> but ian says the makeup comment made him laugh in regards to toxic masculinity. and there were two questions that were very good from two women. phoebe, who was a member, and anne marie, who was also a member. phoebe says they are so busy teaching our kids about multiple choice genders , the multiple choice genders, the world, being on fire, toxic masculinity, etc. that they've completely forgotten about the value of hard work, personal responsibility, and the importance of the family unit. this is going to be very bad for the future of our nation . and the future of our nation. and anne marie says, how does a man do right for doing wrong? i like a man's man, a blokey bloke. if you like. if he knows one end of a screwdriver from the other, so much better. but these do not make a man toxic. but that's a false impression being given by the idiots who are. and useful idiots amplifying it. well, thank you very much for your, views on that now, though. ding

ding ding. because it's time for this . yes indeedy. it's time for this. yes indeedy. it's time for tonight's main event to support his bid to become the new leader of the conservative and unionist party, former immigration minister robert jenrick penned a controversial column earlier this week, claiming that england's national identity is under threat , largely due to under threat, largely due to mass immigration, but is this inflammatory rhetoric or does robert jenrick have a point? well, seconds out, it's round one. doctor renee and andy williams are going to take this on. who wants to go first? okay renee, ladies first. andy. ladies first. you're not a toxic masculine. >> certainly not. >> certainly not. >> all right, renee, take it away. >> so i think that the problem with robert jenrick article and the only problem is that he's

come to this party far too late. and if only he'd have had these views earlier on, we might have got somewhere in the conservative party basically. robert jenrick said this week that record immigration had changed england's towns and cities, and that is certainly true because it's happened at such a pace . i know coming from such a pace. i know coming from the east end of london that the landscape has changed beyond recognition . one stat, for recognition. one stat, for example, 30 years ago, luton, one of our big outfield towns, had one mosque. today it has 45. now it's got 45 for a reason. and that will change the landscape for everybody living there. this is causing our identity as english people . identity as english people. british values christian believing religion that to change beyond belief . and at the change beyond belief. and at the same time, robert jenrick said not only is our identity fraying at the edges, but the elites look down their noses at anybody that says this and sneers at

them. and that is an absolutely what happens. we are supposed to be embarrassed about being british of anything that shapes our identity and what jenrick finished with and i agree with him, is, is that any government that ignores voters anger and there is certainly anger, we have seen that already boost the support for the far right. but actually i would argue that it boosts support for proper right leaning conservatives. or you could rename that reform . could rename that reform. >> so i vehemently disagree. i think multiculturalism is something that can work, and it's something that we can be proud of if we get it right. i think the real reason there is angeris think the real reason there is anger is not because there are people coming to britain from all, all sorts of countries all over the world. but because we haven't built the infrastructure in terms of hospitals and all of those sorts of aspects to get it right and make sure that everybody is getting bang for

their taxpayer buck. but i think robert jenrick has the wrong diagnosis and he has no solutions. this column in the daily mail yesterday was so badly written that i asked chatgpt to write a column on the lost sense of our british national identity in the style of the daily mail, and it was way better and far more coherent . way better and far more coherent. if the tories go down the route of robert jenrick conservative party. it's a one way ticket to irrelevance. they will not win the next general election and they need to understand, as i was saying earlier about reform, that what people really care about more than anything is having the money to get through the month and having an economy that works for them. >> okay, so i actually think you have just demonstrated everything that jenrick was saying, that the elite think that this is tosh , that it's that this is tosh, that it's populism and that most people don't feel like this. you're wrong. he actually said that the combination of unprecedented migration, dismantling of our national culture non—integration integrating multiculturalism and

denigration of our identity has presented huge problems and that it's put pressure on roads, gp surgeries , schools while not surgeries, schools while not making the country any richer. and all of the stats actually show that our gdp per capita has not grown for ten years. but we have nearly 10 million more people. if you think that it is not putting pressure on gps and hospitals, let me tell you as somebody that's there it is. well, i agree with you on that, renee. >> and that's why i said that. i think when it comes to hospitals and gp surgeries and schools and all of those sorts of things, we need more of them. >> but all right, andy, i want to put that question to you that we got in earlier from one of our viewers that said, why does the other constituent parts of the other constituent parts of the united kingdom not have an issue with their own national identities? you know, the welsh nationalism, scottish nationalism? certainly ulster unionism that actually there is a unique problem with england , a unique problem with england, and that is down to the fact that we've had this rampant

uncontrolled mass migration of foreign cultures that , frankly, foreign cultures that, frankly, perhaps some of them don't like the country they're in. >> well, i think it's a really i think that's a really interesting question. i mean, i think devolution has helped with scottish and welsh national identity because they have their i think it has because they have their because they have their own governments who can represent them. but actually, i think your and your response in robert jenrick response is far too simplistic. i don't think it's just about migration and actually robert jenrick in his piece, he didn't give any tangible, examples of what this engush tangible, examples of what this english identity is. one person's sense of english identity or british identity might not be the same as another's. and why should it be? >> and that's the that's the answer of the elites, actually. we see that all of the time. >> i'm flattered that you think we are the elite, i do. >> we are bursting at the seams though. we are bursting at the seams as as an island. we really are. and it has. it's an ongoing effect on all our infrastructures and getting, you know, doctors. we can't even fly our flag, our own flag. and we know we can't. we know we can't.

and let me just tell you something, he brings up a brilliant point because jess phillips, you know her, don't you? >>i you? >> i think she's in the labour party. she is. she is famous for her sneering at white man varne flying the saint george cross. >> it's a very important issue. >> it's a very important issue. >> emily thornberry, emily thornberry, you know, and you know, behind reform lizzie yesterday when they were speaking on the stage, was the words family, community, country. >> i think that's what's been lost. and that in chipping away at english identity, that's what engush at english identity, that's what english identity used to be. >> and i've got to say hats off to ant middleton. if you heard his speech i absolutely phenomenal identity is at the heart of the issue. >> exactly . >> exactly. >> exactly. >> i'm actually really refreshed to see jenrick's comments because we have had 14 years of tories that aren't tories. >> well , hang tories that aren't tories. >> well, hang on before you blow smoke up robert jenrick bottom. >> go on. one of our viewers answer this says the man has changed his. greg says the man has changed his views, dependent on his own political ambitions. he can never win the leadership. well look, i think that's the same for most politicians. >> the reality is they do change

their views with the win. keir starmer has changed his views over many, many times. >> flip flop. >> flip flop. >> so has so indeed has nigel farage on some issues. let's just be clear about that. so politicians do and should move with the public's mood and them sitting still and saying, oh, actually, i'm not going to change my mind, but they should have values. they should have values. >> robert jenrick i will say what i will say is that this we should see this as a refreshing stance from a party that has let down this country for 14 years, and at least they are starting very briefly. >> at least they're starting to say things in the right way. >> it's not a refreshing stance. >> it's not a refreshing stance. >> this column could have been written 30 years ago, and if you'd just given it a different date and jvt wrote a better version, it's not refreshing. it's just reheated. >> lowest common denominator tories have lost their way. >> we'll have to leave that there, brent says, the lefty wet. i grew up in luton and i saw change rapidly. i think that's a fair point now. still ahead folks, we'll bring you this week's bunch of five and ed davey's butchering of abba classics. will this man stop at nothing to embarrass himself? what a disgrace. we'll also take

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gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your emails about tonight's topics. master of parsnips. i'm not joking. that's the name said , who was a member? the name said, who was a member? thank you very much. devolution has been a disaster. and where's the devolved parliament for the english? >> maybe that would help. great, great. again i think devolution has torn us apart, though i don't think it's been good. >> i agree, i agree, i think it's created a new tier of politicians. and the last thing this country needs is more tier. >> if we didn't have a devolved scottish parliament, scotland would have voted to leave the uk. >> well, i think there are certain people , taxpayers in certain people, taxpayers in england who would say to us,

well, i think i'd be interested. >> it's interesting from a national identity perspective, if that's what you think it is. >> but we have the mad situation where scottish mps in parliament can vote on things that affect engush can vote on things that affect english people. but not theirs, tuition fees was the best example i know. >> all right, folks, it's time for this . all right, alex, what for this. all right, alex, what have you got? >> well, that fourth plinth in trafalgar square was meant to be for our late queen, and that's been going back when ken livingstone even said it was there for the late queen. >> and i think it would have been a beautiful tribute to her. but instead, what have we got? we've got an absolute monstrosity. i believe there is now faces of non—gender aligning people up on that plinth , people up on that plinth, amongst many other monstrosities that have been put on there by the sadiq khan. and i think we should stop all that nonsense and put up a beautiful statue of queen elizabeth the second. >> i totally agree with you.

absolutely agree. it looks like a fridge. it does, i thought, what is it doing there ? i mean, what is it doing there? i mean, why it's terrifying. why? why why it's terrifying. why? why why like like a horror film? >> it's awful. the artist is pretty terrifying. >> she's used blood and innards of people in the past. >> well, guys, you know what the nice thing about art is? is that it's subjective and some of us might like it. and some of us don't have to. >> and nobody likes anything that goes up on that plinth. it's awful. >> i quite liked the ship in a bottle. do you remember that one? that was a good one. >> that that big blue. but did you like the. pardon? i remember that, but did you like the ice cream? >> i didn't like the ice cream, actually, with a fly on. >> no no no no no the drone wasn't it alex. >> they're putting a they're going to have a tribute to the queen in saint james's park. >> but she never went to the saint james's park. she never really went there. so it's just really. >> didn't she walk there? >> didn't she walk there? >> well, i think, but it's a pubuc >> well, i think, but it's a public park. it's very hard for her. >> i think she spent much time in trafalgar square. >> no. >> no. >> but. what? no, but it's a

monument. why are we putting up with this woke nonsense? it's woke nonsense. that's what it is. >> keep voting for sadiq khan. that's why. right? >> okay, so you know how much i love ed davey everyone. well, this week he arrived for his final speech at the lib dem conference and he came in to a excruciating karaoke version of abba's take a chance on me. with the obligatory dad dancing. i think. see it before i say anymore. my first in line, because this is free. >> take a chance on me , leave >> take a chance on me, leave me, let me go and be around. you got no place to tell me, dad . got no place to tell me, dad. >> hello, friends . >> hello, friends. >> hello, friends. >> thank you so much for that kind . welcome. kind. welcome. >> well, i mean, as one generally has to be drunk to do karaoke. he continued to perform and he delivered an incoherent speech with no content whatsoever. well done. the lib dems carry on as you started.

>> oh, what an embarrassment to the whole country. i know he really is a clown. he's a clown. he belongs in a circus. he's done.cani he belongs in a circus. he's done. can i play ? done. can i play? >> it's awful. >> it's awful. >> it's awful. >> it's working for him because people actually know who he is and they've got 72 seats. >> well, that was by virtue of the conservatives being absolutely, utterly useless. >> no, that was awful. that's like a bad karaoke night at ryland's house. honestly, that was awful. i'm telling you. >> you know who he is, though, lizzie, right? is it helping him on a pr point of view? >> well, i only knew him originally from the post office scandal, but i have to say, who's he appealing to? he's coming down a water slide. i thought he was appealing to the under seven seconds. does he not know they don't have a vote? seriously he has to stop it. he's losing all credibility and frankly, it's really wearing thin with me. he's annoying. >> yeah. he just comes across as really immature and unserious for a party that says it wants to be in government at some point, you would never put this man in charge of the he's not credible. >> do you think keir should do it? andy? >> what? karaoke. well, i'm in favour of abba songs. being sung by everybody at all times is

what i was saying. >> i thought theresa may dancing to dancing queen. >> oh no was embarrassing, but that was something else. >> he sounded like a cat being strangled. >> he actually sounded like that sounded like me at the end of christmas day. >> yeah, which was an acceptable time to do something like that. >> let's just make that clear. >> let's just make that clear. >> it was awful. >> it was awful. >> you're standing up and trying to be prime minister at some point. >> all right. >> all right. >> okay. now, apparently it's the times have released some research showing that actually electric cars, the cost of them have spiralled right . electric cars, the cost of them have spiralled right. charging them, actually being able to utilise these vehicles that are subsidised, that cost us a lot of money. electric vehicles now cost double to run compared to petrol and diesel cars. so the question i'm asking folks is we've been sold a total lie here, haven't we? if you went out and you bought one of these expensive motors, it's costing you double than it would your reliable, trusty petrol and diesel one. and that's if you can find a charger to actually do it with. >> listen, the whole thing's c011. >> con. >> listen, i live in the countryside. >> try and find a point to.

honestly, my neighbours got one and she's like, i haven't got a point to charge it in the countryside. literally it is a cave. absolute lie. and you know , cave. absolute lie. and you know, we're going to have to rebuild bridges, roads. they can't take the weight of them. i was in wimbledon a few weeks ago. the bus that was electric blew up. yeah, honestly i am. it's an absolute con, andy. >> you've sold us all a total pup- >> i haven't. it's a con we need, we need, we need the infrastructure to make this viable. and at the moment we don't. it's still going to cost double charging. >> how'd you do it? i'm putting up these stats. >> the average person afford an electric car. let's be honest. let's be honest about this. >> being forced to buy an electric car. >> well, actually , let's be >> well, actually, let's be let's be clear. >> by 2035 that only 5% of all cars made were allowed to be petrol at that point, made. >> but you'd have to buy them. >> but you'd have to buy them. >> well, but you're forcing nothing else on the market. >> that's like saying eventually less than ten years, this is a sainsbury's that's not going to sell one loaf of bread in a

certain brand. and you're like, well , they're not choice. well, they're not choice. >> this is a long term. >> this is a long term. >> it's a long term transition andifs >> it's a long term transition and it's a necessary transition. >> the detail of this just goes to show that it's another penalisation of people that are not so well off in society, because they're paying more if they can't afford a charger at their own house. this is on street charging. but people who live in flats and who live in high rise areas are reliant on this electricity . this electricity. >> i'll tell you where you can stick your charger anyway . stick your charger anyway. lizzie, what have you got for us? >> well, should we welcome? yes, prince of the old bailey. he's back , harry, back into the fold. back, harry, back into the fold. should we all welcome with open arms and say. you know what, harry? let's forget about the past, because, yes, he's back yet again on his own for the 13th time. he's back because he's patron of wellchild, the charity. but should we just forget about it all and forget about the past? me, i can't, i think he's done too much damage. the book, the interviews, everything else, what he's done to dig kate and his father going through illness like they are.

how can we trust him to not go to the press? what's your thoughts? >> i would want him back, but i'd want him to make an apology first. and i'd want him and meghan markle to make an apology for their conduct and return to royal duties and be a sub tier royal duties and be a sub tier royal as they are, that like the like the rest of them. >> but could you trust them? look at their back, look at their track record. >> they have to prove that to the british public. if they ever came back, that they could be trusted. and they have to have small little starts. but i want an apology. we're never going to get one. >> and i assume as a bleeding heart liberal, you're off the view. we ought to bring him back. come on. has the ginger winger. welcome back. >> i just i'm so bored of harry. >> ijust i'm so bored of harry. i'm bored of hearing about him. i'm bored of hearing about him. i'm bored of hearing about him. i'm bored of. i'm bored of that. >> that's not very inclusive. >> that's not very inclusive. >> her. her podcast was dreadful. it was genuinely the worst podcast you'll ever listen to. the podcast didn't bother. they actually dropped the series even though spotify paid them millions. the netflix series are going to be rubbish . what about going to be rubbish. what about the jam? >> the jam, jam jam the jam . >> the jam, jam jam the jam. >> the jam, jam jam the jam. >> expensive jam. it's gone soui’. >> souh >>i souh >> i think it's oh, that's very la. he's got a polo series

coming up that will be fascinating on netflix. >> yeah, yeah, i think either bnng >> yeah, yeah, i think either bring them back or get them to drop the titles. >> yeah because they can't keep calling around and what have you got for us. >> so gary lineker is in talks with the bbc to cut his £1.35 million salary and give it to a measly £1 million a year. oh no. but maybe actually, just maybe, guys, maybe he has seen the light and realised that actually thatis light and realised that actually that is just a bit of a bridge too far. just a cool million. that'll do. >> a bridge too far. that'll do. >> a bridge too far . one mil, >> a bridge too far. one mil, i don't know. >> he's been taking that money for ages and i think he's under a lot of scrutiny at the minute as a whole of the bbc are his wages are outrageous and i think he's actually his nose is put out of joint because, you know, he's been told what he can write on x and what he can't. and we know he's got political aspirations and they're trying to claw back that money from huw edwards, of course. well, and also let's i mean, it's one thing after another with the bbc and we have at the minute zoe ball, who's on a massive wages, has gone missing. and this is

taxpayers wages. you know what is happening with the bbc. and really i think gary lineker. shouldn't be our sports presenter. he'd much rather be. >> do you not think this says something about the licence fee? as lizzie says. because actually if they, if we were allowed to decide and vote with our subscription fees, then it wouldn't matter to us what gary lineker was actually paid. >> yeah, well, you're really gonna like this, but i think there are some things that we should enforce on people. and actually the bbc is a social goodin actually the bbc is a social good in a ton of ways. i thought the rupert lowe's comments about ripping up the licence fee is, you know, or was it lee anderson at reform conference, lee anderson propaganda machine. >> it's not no it's not. >>— >> it's not no it's not. >> it's not no it's not. >> it's the it's you're happy with their wages. they've managed channel. >> they have to be honest what it is covid. >> it's not state managed. it's not state managed. well. >> it kind of is i mean the government government do appoint to help appoint the chairman of that of that. >> let me tell you in covid the constant government narrative that they put out scared people witless did more harm to

people's mental health than anything else in this country. don't watch the bbc and don't cut his wages cut. >> gary lineker altogether. >> gary lineker altogether. >> yeah, don't blame him. yeah, i agree, i agree too greedy and i agree, i agree too greedy and i honestly think that the bbc needs a total reboot it. >> and there's scandal after scandal and after what's just happened. >> if you are careful what you wish for, you'd miss the bbc if it was gone. >> i'm not saying no one wants the bbc to go. let it be someone's choice. these guys do no, just choose whether they pay for it. why would i choice the bbc? >> i've got gb news. what else could you need? still ahead. and my mortgage provider thanks you. we answer all of your questions in asker five and all topics are off limits. i wonder what hell's you've unleashed for us this . you're with the saturday five live on

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about tonight's topics. speaking of which, it's time for this . of which, it's time for this. now, after being told that i need to go to lord ali to ask for my new clothing and i need to sort my hair out, apparently i've dyed it too dark. i haven't dyed it at all. i've been told that my makeup makes me look like casper or a clown. i dread to think what horrors you've unleashed. now let's have a look . unleashed. now let's have a look. there's question number one. last week i asked, should mps be banned from accepting gifts and that most of the panel said no. given the revelations, this week is the answer? still no. and that's from peter. thank you peter, do you know what, peter? >> i think the answer has to to change yes, because this is just a gift fest, isn't it? and they're just all abusing it. so let's just cut out the gifts . let's just cut out the gifts. >> i'm a bit more nuanced than this. i think we should. we should have rules as to what gifts they can receive. i think receiving money for clothes is ridiculous. >> you know what one of our

viewers, andy, said, how come a street cleaner can't be given a tenner on the street, right? they would be told they can't accept that money, but sir keir starmer can receive all and sundry from lord ali and give him access to number 10 downing street. >> he's had more gifts given to him than any any celebrity like kim kardashian. i mean, i cannot believe it. i think there's got to be a limit on it, but i really think you can't be hypocritical and do what the labour party have done, >> i think that there's a transparency system and it's important that people stick to that. maybe there should be a limit on certain things being offered as gifts. my main thing for keir starmer's perspective is that all of this has been a really bad look, and i just wish he hadn't done it. i wish he would leave. >> right. >> right. >> that's the next question. hi darren, is it good that the nigel farage that nigel farage thinks andrew tate is a good role model for young men? so that goes back to our question earlier. renee has got some thoughts. >> oh, you know , this is what >> oh, you know, this is what i think about andrew tate. i just

think about andrew tate. i just think as a society we shouldn't be, you know, losing our knickers over andrew tate . what knickers over andrew tate. what we should be doing is asking a question of society about why our young boys feel the need to gravitate there and then fix that. >> yeah, i tend to agree with what connor said earlier on as well. actually, i think connor nailed it . i well. actually, i think connor nailed it. i do think he's a bit of a grifter. i think he knows how to cause controversy. some of the things he says are absolutely spot on about nigel farage or andrew tate. >> andrew tate very, very clear about andrew tate. >> so, so yeah, i agree with conn0h >> yeah, i'm not sure andrew tate is a good role model to be honest with you, but, no, andrew tate is not a good role model. >> as a mother of two boys, i would certainly he is not in any shape or form. >> all right, that's next. next one. briefly dip in your crisps into the head of your pint. is that acceptable or dirty? because one of our viewers says that salt and vinegar seabrook in a guinness is key. >> i've never done it. >>— >> i've never done it. >> renee is that part of my five a day? >> i'm opting out of this. i don't drink beer. i don't eat crisps. i'll leave it to you guys. >> well, i actually do drink

beer and i do love crisps, but i think that is really awful and i would hate to be on a date with a guy that did that. no way. i don't mind a bit of ketchup and mayo with a chip, but that's no way i want to ask is this one? >> because this is a funny one. what non—human species would the panel identify as? this, of course, comes as the wolf, the child identifying as a wolf, and the school affirmed the identity of this child. i know, andy, it's a good question . it's a good question. >> an otter oh oh is hairy. they're really sweet animals. >> they pair up. >> they pair up. >> i'd be a cat because i have my own rules. i, you know, i'm. and i like to be straight. >> i think i'd be a cat and i, you know, quite like to snoop in people's gardens, poop in people's gardens, poop in people's gardens. >> if i don't and they're very clean, you know, i would have said, cat, but i'm going to go for lizard. >> then a lizard. i think they're beautiful. all right. >> that's a keir starmer, isn't it? >> i was going to say we'll talk about non—human species. >> i'd be free. he seems like he's having a great time. >> he's not a species, is he? no. it's non—human. non—human

non—human. all right. >> possibly lizard. who knows? >> possibly lizard. who knows? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, to be honest with you, the whole animal thing. andy, were you actually supremely relaxed about that? >> this kid who thinks he's a wolf. so i actually hadn't heard this story until renee was telling me about it before the show . show. >> and. no, i mean, that'sjust >> and. no, i mean, that's just one lefty we had on this channel whose name i won't i argued with this morning about it. >> oh. >> oh. >> did you? >> did you? >> well, he was saying that actually, it's transphobic to question ridiculous. last i checked, being a wolf was not gendeh >> no, no. >> no, no. >> ridiculous . >> ridiculous. >> ridiculous. >> be identifying as anything anyway, right. just do your maths and english. >> children always want to be animals and things and you just say there, there. that's nice. get on with it. >> i think lee anderson's speech at the reform party said it all. you know, we're losing touch with reality. can children just do what they should do at school, kick a football around and learn about geography and history ? history? >> yeah. and, well , to be honest >> yeah. and, well, to be honest with you, i also think that with a couple of themes that we've covered there on the toxic masculinity in schools and the wolf thing, it's quite clear to

me that education is just going off a pier, but it's very worrying for me with a six year old. >> yeah, it's quite clearly a link there as well in my opinion. yeah >> all right. thank you very much to our guests tonight, alex renee and lizzie and andy. thank you for that. now, thank you very much to you at home watching as well. one of our viewers has written in and says , viewers has written in and says, angela says darren, you should get a couple of beverages down you more often before the show. this has been brilliant, really enjoyed it. thank you very much. angela, i'll. i need no excuse. trust me. next up. it's brilliant . saturday night brilliant. saturday night showdown hosted by steve and alan. thanks for watching. see you next week . you next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. good evening. some of us certainly entered astronomical summer with a bang. we've seen a few thunderstorms

around across southern areas today, and there's the continuing chance that we see a few of those pushing across central into parts of wales might clip into the far south of northern ireland. as we head throughout the evening. we then got a second pulse of thundery rain pushing its way into the far south of england. as we head towards dawn on sunday morning . towards dawn on sunday morning. quite muggy and humid in amongst all of this as well. temperatures not dropping too far at all, but it will be chillier for the north—west of scotland. underneath the clearer skies here might see a touch of frost in some very sheltered areas. and for scotland, sunday is certainly one of a east west split . the best of the sunshine split. the best of the sunshine will be across those western areas. quite a nice fine start for lewis and harris. the highlands, argyll and bute as well. but the clouds still lingering along those eastern coastal areas, maybe with some drizzle around at times it will try and burn back a bit as we head throughout the day. northern ireland seeing some sunshine during the afternoon as well. but for much of wales central, southern areas of england, this band of rain will be steadily pushing its way northwards with some very heavy pulses possible. and there is a rain warning in force throughout the day. so do take care if you are travelling or out and about.

some disruption is certainly possible . again, it is going to possible. again, it is going to be quite warm and humid even amongst all this rain. so temperatures where you do start to see some of those sunny spells emerging into the afternoon could still see highs around 20 or 21 c, 18 to 20 c is certainly also possible for the likes of oban and fort william. places in western scotland. this area of low pressure that's bringing that rain on sunday is going to become quite slow. moving on monday as well, and so there's potential for further heavy rain around at times. there's still some uncertainty just in regards to the exact placement of this rain, so it's worth keeping up to date with the forecast. but another rain warning is in force throughout much of monday. again, some disruption, surface water issues and spray on roads is possible, generally drier further towards the north, but you'll start to see some of that rain pushing into the far north of scotland, and that heralding a slight change as we head over the next few days. things turning cooler with a northerly wind setting in beau biden looks like things are heating up . heating up. >> boxt boilers, sponsors of

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gb news. >> good evening. the top stories from the gb newsroom. some breaking news that daniel dubois has retained his ibf world heavyweight title with a fifth round knockout of anthony joshua. aj was aiming to become a three time world heavyweight champion at the expense of ibf title holder dubois , in front of title holder dubois, in front of a star studded crowd at wembley tonight. but it was dubois who came out firing from the off. a big dubois right hand dropped joshua in the opening round. a solid right hand to the chin then ended the bout in a ko solid right hand to the chin then ended the bout in a k0 in round five. in other news, sir keir starmer has promised to protect public services from extreme cuts as he made a bid to move on from rows over donations and strife at number 10 after arriving at the labour party conference earlier today.

speaking to the sunday mirror newspaper on the eve of the conference, the prime minister said his government was not going down the road of austerity like that pursued by david cameron's administration. he's intent on shifting that attention away from rows over those donations and the internal number 10 infighting. upon arrival, sir keir starmer said the conference would show how labour are fixing the foundations and rebuilding our country. >> change is starting and today we're going to set out and over the next coming days how we're fixing the foundations and rebuilding our country. so enjoy conference. very, very good to be here. >> today was day two of the reform conference in birmingham with party leader nigel farage giving his farewell address earlier this afternoon. last night, mr farage told supporters he believes reform can win the next general election, given the number of people that agree with their principles. he also explained what drove him to stand as clacton's mp once the election was called earlier this yeah >> at almost every level we've

been betrayed. and then i thought about