well . good morning. welcome to well. good morning. welcome to the camilla tominey show. we are live from the labour party conference in liverpool. prime minister keir starmer has said he will no longer accept donations for clothes, but the scandal still looms over the conference. i'll be speaking to education secretary bridget phillipson, dean armstrong kc, one of the leading barristers in the case against mohamed al fayed, will be here to share why he thinks this case is one of the most horrific he's ever seen. and on a par with jimmy savile. i'll be joined also by tory leadership hopeful robert jenrick, who sits at the top of the polls for the next leader in the polls for the next leader in the opposition. but will he still be the leading man at the

end of the race? newly elected labour mp for loughborough jayvon sander joins me. labour mp for loughborough jayvon sanderjoins me. he's previously worked in treasury dunng previously worked in treasury during the tory government. what does he make of the £22 billion black hole that rachel reeves keeps talking about? and gb news political editor christopher hope and political commentator matthew torbett will join me to sum up what's been making the headunesin sum up what's been making the headlines in liverpool. clue. it's not that great a reading for keir starmer. we've got 90 minutes of punchy politics ahead, so don't go anywhere . ahead, so don't go anywhere. well i said they didn't make for didn't make for great reading for keir starmer. well i said they didn't make for great reading for keir starmer. let's go through the sunday let's go through the sunday papers now with my telegraph papers now with my telegraph colleague, columnist and colleague, columnist and sketchwriter madeline grant. sketchwriter madeline grant. maddy, lovely to see you in maddy, lovely to see you in liverpool. all ready for this liverpool. all ready for this exciting conference season ahead. yes, indeed. and the exciting conference season ahead. yes, indeed. and the

headunes ahead. yes, indeed. and the headunes ahead. yes, indeed. and the headlines aren't great. i'll headlines aren't great. i'll just hold up because we'll go local for a moment and just have a look at the sunday echo, which is the liverpool local paper will change your lives for the better, says the liverpool echo here. if you can see it, there we are. hold that up. and so this is a very positive spin on the conference. however, the rest of the papers are absolutely dominated by donors. let's give some credit to the mail on sunday because they've pulled up a few trees here. glen owen leads the political team there. they've got a story on there. they've got a story on the front page about keir starmer fraternising with people who are on the super league. so people who are involved in the football super league, we've got another story in the mail on sunday. again, this is about bridget phillipson, the education secretary, having a 40th birthday party that was paid for, we think in part by lord alli, the big labour donor. and we've got another story in the mail on sunday and this is just kind of totting up all of the different donations that lord alli has given. that

amounts to £314,000. we think now we may be having trouble with your mic. madeleine can we hear you? let's see whether we can hear you when you say your response to some of these stories. >> okay, well, i've got a bit of a cold, so i hope it's not just me. it's hard to know where to begin with some of these stories, actually, because, i mean, there's just fair play to the mail because they really have unearthed a treasure trove of different stories here. >> the thing that really strikes me is that they accepted corporate hospitality at spurs with a lobbyist from the super league, as you mentioned. yes. the crucial thing for me here is that this happened last sunday. so it happened just a few hours after wardrobe gate. now apart from the. okay. >> sorry, madeleine, i think your mic isn't working, so let's try and get that resolved. this is the perils of being in a live broadcast because we're in

head of communications to be the head of communications in downing street for theresa may. a little bit of a mystery there, but the point is that one of perry's clients and she's a lobbyist now, are the representatives who were trying to push forward that very controversial super league. so that was that football league that was that football league that was that football league that was going to take on the premier league, caused a lot of consternation and controversy when it was mooted. people were saying it's trying to destroy british football . the timing of british football. the timing of that seems curious because this was when donor gate was just breaking. when questions were being asked about spectacles being asked about spectacles being paid for by lord alli, suits being paid for even lady starmer's wardrobe we now know was being paid for by lord alli. so that is in itself raising eyebrows. the other story that the mail on sunday has today is this idea of the education secretary, bridget phillipson, who is coming on this show a little later, having her birthday party, her 40th paid for by lord alli. and we've got a revelation that we think that, that lord alli pass was granted

by sue gray. again. why is that controversial? well, it's controversial? well, it's controversial because he got access to number 10 after he had donated £10,000 to the election campaign of sue grey's son, liam conlon . so it all looks a bit conlon. so it all looks a bit murky. it all looks a bit tricky . murky. it all looks a bit tricky. madeleine, can we now hear you? let's see. >> can you hear me? is that better? >> can we hear madeleine? i'm hoping to get the nod from the gallery in london so it all looks terrible. it's overshadowing everything here. i mean, can starmer and indeed sue gray survive this ? madeleine? gray survive this? madeleine? >> well, i think it's a mistake to underestimate sue gray actually. you know, she's been a very successful operator around whitehall, around the corridors of power for quite some time. so i think it'd be too soon to write her off. but there's no doubt that it's overshadowing everything else at these conferences. the labour party was obviously hoping to tell a positive story, and indeed they've just won an enormous majority in the country. >> but it feels no honeymoon. >> but it feels no honeymoon. >> it feels mournful somehow, and i just i think it also

speaks to real dysfunction within starmer's team, quite apart from how it looks to ordinary members of the public. but, you know, the fact that they accepted this kind of lavish hospitality at spurs just a week after, like a day after the wardrobe gate stuff had emerged, it suggests who had who thought that was a good idea. it's as if there's no there's not a mature person in the team who can say, actually hang on a minute, this is going to look really, really bad. >> there isn't that much maturity in that team because let's be honest, starmer didn't really expect to become prime minister so quickly. he thought he was there in a holding pattern. he thought that, you know, boris johnson would go for on much longer, rishi sunak would go the distance and all the rest of it. so actually this has shown a degree of political naivety and inability to look around corners. and as you say, see how things look. we'll be covering it won't we? on gb news andindeed covering it won't we? on gb news and indeed on the telegraph over the coming days, just to see how it all pans out. and i'll be asking bridget phillipson some serious questions about her birthday party. her birthday party. and also rachel reeves, the chancellor, has sort of claimed that dresses that she was given were office expenses.

so we need to probe. >> that is wild, because if an ordinary taxpayer tried to pull that one, they would get fined by hmrc. >> they can't claim tax. >> they can't claim tax. >> no you can't on clothing unless it's logoed. so i should maybe put the camilla tominey show on these dresses by the way, for i do pay for myself. i just want to clarify that. yes. now let's talk about a really serious and disturbing story. it's about the former harrods owner, mohamed al fayed. i mean , owner, mohamed al fayed. i mean, this is fast emerging to be a new jimmy savile. he's dead now, and that's why all of these revelations have come to light, because you can't defame the dead. it's not as if the press, by the way, weren't aware of these stories. the press kept on running them and kept on getting what we call schillings , kept on what we call schillings, kept on getting letters by the legal. the lawyers , schillings saying, the lawyers, schillings saying, you can't publish this. you can't publish that. exactly now it's all coming to light. i'm going to speak to the lawyer later. dean armstrong, who's representing some of the. i won't call them victims. they want to be called survivors. but what do you make of this story? >> well, i mean, firstly, the fact that we're hearing about it

at all is a testament to dogged journalism and the extraordinary bravery of the women who have come forward to tell their story now. but i think it also it has that similarity with savile because it would not have been possible unless it were a very powerful man and a very powerful position. you know, we've been heanng position. you know, we've been hearing that fired essentially ran harrods like a kind of mini fiefdom where he would prey on women that he saw on the shop floor on the cctv, and no one stopped him. the story obviously goes much further than just him. and now he's dead. he can't face justice. you do not attain that level of power without a great deal of other people supporting you in your endeavour and turning a blind eye and covering for you. >> there's a serious question as well, about the crown prosecution service, what they knew and why they didn't bring charges. and there are some questions to be answered by jack straw, because , there was a straw, because, there was a moment where al fayed was refused citizenship and it's now being asked , well, on what basis being asked, well, on what basis was that refused? did people know about this some years ago and do nothing to stop him? all questions that need to be asked .

questions that need to be asked. let's move on to robert jenrick who is throwing some red meat to the right again, he's currently sort of. it depends on which polls you look at. some polls put kemi badenoch at the top of this leadership race. so far. some put him. maybe they'll both end up in the final two, which will be keep the membership happy because they want a right wing candidate. yes. he's he's speaking to the sunday telegraph . speaking to the sunday telegraph. he's written a piece and he's he's saying what madeleine. small boats, small boats. >> he says that asylum seekers essentially are including possible terror suspects are just allowed to waltz into this country on small boats, which is to me quite an interesting intervention because although i think it's true in the sense that we can't vet anyone that's coming in and out, it has been true for a long time, including, dare i say it, when his party were in charge. yeah. >> is he stating the bleeding obvious? >> i think he's stating the bleeding obvious for sure, but i think it's perhaps it's worth doing now, because obviously we are sandwiched between. we've just had the reform party conference where of course, you know, this was a big topic of discussion there. and farage was putting on, you know, very

disparaging of the tory efforts so far. and of course, the effort of the labour government, you know, the labour conference, there are going to be endless panels where people are saying refugees welcome and let's have open borders. so i think maybe robert jenrick is trying to draw some clear blue water, excuse the pun, between him and the opposition. >> is it clear blue water? is it turquoise water? because he can't really out farage farage no, i'm confused by this approach because five minutes ago he was a remainer. he was a moderate. he was nicknamed robert jenrick. we're having him on the show later and i will ask him these questions. but you feel like saying, where have you been for the last decade on some of these issues? >> i think his his line is that he it was encountering working within the home office, he encountered the inherent obstacles to any kind of progress on this, and he learned the true gravity of the situation. and he had a kind of damascene conversion while there, which i think is, you know, i don't want to disbelieve that it can happen, of course, but it's certainly something that farage was very dismissive of in his speech to the reform

conference on friday. yes. >> so whether it's got that star quality farage, which i'm not sure jenrick has, what is your instinct at this stage for who might end up in the final two of this leadership race? >> well, i think that if it gets the final two is jenrick and kemi badenoch, then she has won that i suspect amongst the ordinary members. but i don't know because, you know, there aren't that many members as there used to be and of course there used to be and of course there are not that many tory mps to vote in the final two. so what you often find is that you think it would go along very partisan lines, but actually more often it's to do with who is an ally of them, who is a personal friend, who do they like on a personal level? >> because who do they think will give them a job? >> oh, that too, although would you want the job in a shadow cabinet? >> you're going to be in opposition for years. or will they?i opposition for years. or will they? i mean, i think probably tories had a terrible summer, but let's be honest, they'll be rubbing their hands together with glee at the idea of labour imploding as much as they have. madeleine, thank you so much. thank you, thank you. grappling with the sound issues, which thank you so much for having me. this is the joy of outside broadcast, isn't it? my goodness. let's hope that the

mics hold up later because i'll be interviewing bridget phillipson, the education secretary, and putting some of those stories about donner gate to her. she's close to keir starmer. rachel reeves and angela what does she make it all? don't go anywhere,

okay? >> two. three. four. five. yeah >> two. three. four. five. yeah >> welcome back to gb news. you're watching the camilla tominey show live from liverpool at the labour party conference. and i'm delighted to be joined now by education secretary bridget phillipson, the mp for houghton and sunderland south. lovely to see you this morning . lovely to see you this morning. hello. good morning. very much for coming on gb news. i'm going to ask you about this story in the mail on sunday. the suggestion that lord alli paid thousands for education secretary's 40th birthday party. is that true? >> so what? lord alli, who's a longstanding labour peer, paid for was two events when i was shadow education secretary, one ahead of my 40th birthday. that was a good opportunity in a professional context to get

journalists education people, trade unionists and mps along. the second event, a reception for journalists, including those working in the education press, again in a professional context to discuss the work of. >> so the birthday element was what then? i don't quite get it. it was an official do for you as shadow education secretary, but you also had some cake. >> oh, we didn't have any cake. >> oh, we didn't have any cake. >> oh, we didn't have any cake. >> oh, there's a picture of you with some cake. is that a different. >> that was on my actual birthday. got it in my office. >> so you do have a birthday celebration, but it's part of a department. >> it was when i was shadow. it was when i was shadow education secretary. so it was ahead of the election. i should just say i didn't even invite my own family along to this. it was very much in a professional context, ever donated to your wardrobe, your spectacles? >> have you ever loaned you an apartment in london or new york? >> no. everything that's been donated to me has been declared in line with the rules. what i would say about lord alli is that he's been a labour peer for, i think, over 25 years. yes. and donates to the labour party to labour politicians

because he wants a labour government. >> but he got a temporary downing street pass from sue gray. we hear today the labour party have been very reluctant to say who sanctioned this pass. it was sue gray that happened after he donated £10,000 to liam conlon campaign . liam conlon is conlon campaign. liam conlon is now the mp for beckenham and penge. he's also sue grey's son. there's something quite murky about that. i think if that arrangement had happened under a tory government, ministers like you would be on the airwaves having a real go at the opposition about that. >> i think you've got a labour peen >> i think you've got a labour peer, a very , very long standing peer, a very, very long standing labour peer who donates to labour peer who donates to labour politicians, labour candidates, two campaigns and one of them was conlon. >> no, he's sue grey's . he in an >> no, he's sue grey's. he in an election campaign as far as just for the election campaign, he gives money to sue grey's son and the next thing we know, he gets a downing street pass. you have to admit that looks a bit dodgy. >> he's donated to lots of labour candidates and politicians. >> why does he need a downing street pass? >> as i understand it, he no

longer has a downing street pass. i genuinely don't know the circumstances of that. >> starmer's wardrobes or . >> starmer's wardrobes or. >> starmer's wardrobes or. >> oh come on. no, i think the reason that, you know, he donates to labour politicians is because he wanted to secure a labour government. that's what he's done over two decades. all right. >> let's look at what the pm said when he stood outside downing street upon being elected july the 5th. he said when the gap between sacrifices made by people and the service they receive from politicians grows this big, it leads to a wariness at the heart of the nafion wariness at the heart of the nation that public service is a privilege, and that your government should treat every single person in this country with respect. does it show respect to the people of this country to take £107,000 in freebies , while stripping 10 freebies, while stripping 10 million pensioners of their winter fuel allowance and introducing a vat on private school fees that will adversely affect children with special educational needs . these are educational needs. these are vulnerable people that the

labour government is now badly affecting with its policies, so we can take each of those issues in turn. >> if you'd like. what i would say more widely is everything we're talking about here has been declared in the way that it should be in line with the rules to the specific, to the to the specific policy issues that you raised. so take for example, vat on private school fees. i do think it's right that we levy fees, levy vat on private school fees, levy vat on private school fees so that we can special needs children so that we can invest in the education of the vast majority of children in our school who go to state schools. now for the example that you gave, give around children with special educational needs and disabilities where that place has come about because children have an education, health and care plan that won't there won't be any difference there. there are hundreds. the majority of you don't have an ehcp. >> the majority are going to be badly affected by this. >> the majority of people watching this show, the majority of your viewers will be sending their kids to state schools and they want to know what we're doing to make sure that their

kids get a great start in life. thatis kids get a great start in life. that is my that is my focus. that's why the majority of children go to school, and we will use the money that we raise to make sure we've got brilliant teachers in every classroom that our young people are getting the careers advice and work experience that they need, and that we also see a real improvement in our skills system so that young people get apprenticeships, that we can deliver the growth across our country that we want to see only produces one new teacher in every three state schools, doesn't it ? what this will do is doesn't it? what this will do is make sure that we fill the gaps that we have at the moment around specialist teachers, where we've got huge shortages , where we've got huge shortages, particularly in some subjects like maths and science . and we like maths and science. and we are determined to ensure that all of our children have got a brilliant teacher at the front of the classroom, a specialist in their field, one new teacher for every three state schools it fills. >> all this policy is producing the 6500 teachers that we are committed to delivering fills all of the gaps that we see when it comes to either vacancies or posts that are filled by temporary teachers. but is it right to categorise it as one new teacher for every three

state schools? >> no. how i would categorise it is about filling the gaps that we have in terms of posts that are vacant or where they're temporarily filled by someone who isn't a specialist in their field because we don't. for example, a pe teacher stepping to in cover the role of a maths teacher. >> okay, but when it comes to schools in state schools in bristol, salford, richmond and camden, we're learning they don't have any free spaces in state schools. i know i've interviewed you before and you've talked about, oh, there are 650,000 free spaces in schools, not in areas of the south east and not in salford . south east and not in salford. south east and not in salford. so those class sizes, you keep on talking about, oh, state school parents, state school pupils , those class sizes are pupils, those class sizes are going to have to get bigger because how are the private school children who are going to have to leave their schools because their parents can't afford the fees? where are they going to go if they go into the state sector and the school's already oversubscribed, classes will have to get bigger. >> so as we've discussed on a few occasions before, i don't accept the premise. you don't accept the premise. you don't accept what we are seeing. i don't accept the premise that we will see significant movement

from the private to the state sector. that was what the independent institute for fiscal studies were also clear about, where they said they thought the change would be minimal. what we are seeing in certain areas in a small number of areas, because of that demographic bulge that we're seeing, that's kind of coming through the system, particularly with older teenagers, is that there are some pinch points, but i just don't anticipate or recognise the characterisation of the kind of change that people are scaremongering about, frankly, and i'd say to the conservatives who are peddling this, look, if they want to reverse this, how are they going to pay for it firstly and secondly? well, they might they reflect , might they reflect. >> well, they might pay for it with the 10 billion that's just been handed back to the treasury by the bank of england, which could indeed wipe out your winter fuel allowance, cut and wipe out this. why doesn't rachel reeves spend this money? she's just been handed to reverse these hugely unpopular policies ? policies? >> we're going to have a budget next month. and at that point, the whole the entire kind of fiscal position overall will be set out where we can look at

where rachel, as chancellor will work through what it is we can and can't do . but, you know, and can't do. but, you know, we've been clear that the inheritance that we got from the conservatives was pretty dire. i think your viewers will recognise that . it feels at the recognise that. it feels at the minute that really a lot isn't working in our country. we are determined this week here in liverpool to talk about the change that we're delivering on. that will make a difference, that will bring some hope and optimism back. but absolutely, fixing the foundations of our economy, stabilising our economy is absolutely crucial because everything else has to flow from that. >> you mentioned rachel reeves there, and you said earlier in our conversation that everything had been properly registered . it had been properly registered. it hasn't, has it? because rachel reeves registered a 7500 donation from a woman called juliet rosenfield, which went towards her wardrobe as office expenses. towards her wardrobe as office expenses . what you wear to work expenses. what you wear to work isn't an office expense, is it? >> it was declared in line with the rules. what rachel and others have said is that in future they won't be taking such

donations. >> but hang on a minute. sorry. is clothing an office expense? because if i put in my self employee tax return and i put these dresses in as an office expense, i think i would rightly face an audit by hmrc. the chancellor is in charge of the treasury and oversees hmrc, so why is this regarded as being properly registered? it's not. it's not an office expense. >> it was properly registered in the register of members in office expense. it was registered the donations , all of registered the donations, all of the donations that the chancellor received were declared in the proper way. >> is clothing an office expense? >> is clothing an office expense? >> she's she's declared it. >> she's she's declared it. >> can i just have an answer? is it. >> i'm not sure it.— >> i'm not sure i it. >> i'm not sure i would characterise it in quite know why has she. she's received the donation she made that clear. both who it came from, the nature of the donation . but she nature of the donation. but she said in future she won't be spending money in that way. >> and angela rayner as well, we learned today that she didn't declare the fact that she had gone to this $2.5 million apartment in new york owned by lord alli with sam tarry. she

didn't say that she had taken a friend along. so that's also been improperly registered. so surely for clarity and transparency, we need this to be investigated by the parliamentary standards commissioner. that's exactly what you would ask of the opposition. if their shadow ministers were making these sorts of mistakes. again declared entirely in line with the rules , and is there for all the rules, and is there for all to see in black and white. so if there's everything to see in black and white, there's no problem having a parliamentary standards investigation both into the way that rachel reeves has registered dresses as office expenses and the way in which angela rayner has used this apartment in new york. >> we are, all of us, subject to the processes laid down by processes laid down by parliament. we have a responsibility to register all donations, and there is a process of scrutiny that oversees all of that. >> are you embarrassed by this? i mean, it's been a pretty inauspicious start to labour's government. you are a working class girl . done. good. okay. class girl. done. good. okay. what are your constituents and

people that you're close to saying about the idea of this man, of the people , prime man, of the people, prime minister taking thousands in donations for suits, for spectacles, for football tickets . spectacles, for football tickets. it's not very working class labour at all, is it? >> what i'd say is that, of course, it's frustrating that we're talking about all of this, rather than talking about what we're doing from government and what we're doing this week here in liverpool is talking about the change that we've already gotten with delivering, whether that's starting the process of creating gb energy, what i've done around investing in skills and making sure we've got good opportunities for our young people and how we ensure that everyone has the option of a secure home. of course, i'd rather be talking about all of that and that's what we'll be trying to do in the days to come. >> richard phillipson, thank you very much indeed for your time this morning. enjoy conference. good luck for your speech. coming up next, i'm going to be speaking to dean armstrong kc, who is leading the case against mohamed al fayed. and don't forget, i've got robert jenrick coming out up. can he farage farage i'll be

well. >> welcome back. so much more to come in the next hour here live from the labour party conference in liverpool. i'm going to be joined by the dean armstrong and tory leadership hopeful robert jenrick. but first, here's the news with sophie reaper . news with sophie reaper. >> thank you camilla. it's 10:00 >> thank you camilla. it's10:00 and these are your latest gb news headlines. some tragic news from the states. this morning. it's been reported that four people have been killed and dozens of others have been wounded in a mass shooting in alabama. the birmingham police department have said they're at the scene of the attack, which took place in the five points south area at around 11:00 last night. authorities also believe multiple shooters were involved, but no arrests have been made yet, according to local media.

responding officers found multiple victims at the scene . multiple victims at the scene. three were pronounced dead, while a fourth later died in hospital . the labour party hospital. the labour party conference begins in liverpool today, with deputy pm angela rayner set to speak later this morning. however, there will be questions for the party's leader, sir keir starmer, following a poll which found he is now less popular than rishi sunak, carried out by the observer. the poll found that the pm's personal rating has dropped by 45 points since july , dropped by 45 points since july, and it could also be trouble for keir starmer elsewhere in the uk, as the snp's westminster leader, stephen flynn, has said that the new pm is failing to deliver on the change he promised scotland in the general election. he claims that despite the snp being willing to work with labour, that sir keir is completely out of touch with scotland and the issues the country faces. this comes after the pm has already faced criticism over cuts to the winter fuel allowance, and his acceptance of clothing donations elsewhere in politics, reform's

leader nigel farage sat down with gb news political editor chris hope at their party conference yesterday. speaking on chopper's political podcast, mr farage said in order for reform to make an impact at the local elections next may, the party will have to complete ten years of evolution in the next six months. however, that hasn't stopped them from setting quite the target. >> we've got enough people to have 2300 candidates. the question is, are they the right 2300 candidates? because we will be held to a higher standard than everybody else, and i'm aiming in those elections to win hundreds of seats. >> and you can listen to their full interview on chopper's political podcast, which you can find wherever you get your podcasts . the commemorations podcasts. the commemorations marking the 80th anniversary of the battle of arnhem continue in the battle of arnhem continue in the netherlands today. this morning, veterans, armed forces personnel and the princess royal have gathered at the oosterbeek war cemetery for the airborne airborne memorial service, a fly—past by the historical

flights of the royal netherlands air force and the battle of britain . memorial flights will britain. memorial flights will also take place later this morning, and last night saw historic fights for british boxing, with anthony joshua taking on david dubois for the ibf heavyweight title. and despite much speculation that aj might take his third title, it was dubois that was victorious in the end with a fifth round knockout . those are your latest knockout. those are your latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophie reaper more from me in the next hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show live from the labour party conference in

liverpool. still more to come on the show today. in just a minute. i'm going to be joined by dean armstrong kc, the leading barrister, and in the case against mohamed al fayed , case against mohamed al fayed, who says that those in charge at harrods knew what was going on and knew of his bad behaviour. i'm also going to be joined by robert jenrick, the tory leadership candidate. he's currently the front runner along with kemi badenoch. could he be the one who leads the opposition into the future and jeevun sandhen into the future and jeevun sandher, the newly elected mp for loughborough for labour, will be sharing his experience since joining parliament. does he stand behind starmer's leadership choices? and christopher hope and matthew torbett will join us to round up the latest labour news from liverpool. but first i'm joined now by dean armstrong, who's a leading barrister in king's counsel, representing the alleged victims of mohamed al fayed. lovely to see you this morning, mr armstrong. thank you very much indeed for your time, because i know you've been extremely busy on this case. can you just lay bare for us the extent you think of al fayed's crimes? because we've had comparisons in today's

newspapers to the likes of jimmy savile >> i think, jemmy savile's case, incredibly serious as it was. and is, i think the impact on society and the amount of people who we may hear of who've been affected by this may be much, much greater, one of the reasons is that al fayed had a number of business interests, a number of relationships with significant organisations , and we are only organisations, and we are only now learning the amount or how far the tentacles of his depravity. candidly, how far that extended . so the answer to that extended. so the answer to your question is going to be i think that we are talking about a case which will have huge, huge implications. i'm not in any way seeking to minimise the importance of the jimmy savile case in any way. but what i can

say is that the tentacles of the atr that word forward. >> the question i'm trying to ask myself is because the idea of al fayed being up to no good was a bit of an open secret among journalists. we knew that there was something not quite right there. some journalists tried to probe it. they received, you know, desist letters . they were threatened letters. they were threatened with legal action if they went public. they were threatened with being sued for defamation. so this has always bubbling around in the background, even dunng around in the background, even during the diana inquest and beyond the question really, though, is what did the authorities know ? so what did authorities know? so what did the crown prosecution service know? mr armstrong, what did jack straw know? when he denied

al—fayed citizenship and indeed, for your case, what did harrods and the people at harrods know about this? do we have any idea , about this? do we have any idea, >> well, certainly, as you'll appreciate , i'm not in the head appreciate, i'm not in the head of jack straw. not in the head of jack straw. not in the head of the crown prosecution service, what we do know is that i think jack straw came out yesterday and said that he denied or he was responsible for denying citizenship to al fayed, i think we would probably appreciate him explaining why, because that must have been a decision not taken lightly. in terms of the crown prosecution service, again, not not privy to their decision making. but again, what we do know is that and those people who saw the documentary on thursday will recall very clearly, a young woman, 15 years old at the time, making allegations against i think he was 78, but certainly

much, much difference in age to her. that case we know, because this is in the public domain, was al—fayed was interviewed under caution by the police , and under caution by the police, and that case was ultimately i think, a year later or certainly some months later, 2009, there was a decision to to not proceed. so we do know that there was material for the crown prosecution service to consider. they considered that there was insufficient material to mount a prosecution. and why that was is a matter currently for them, although, if i was, if i was makes a bold i'd suggest it might be in their interests to tell us a bit more about that. but that's my opinion . it's not but that's my opinion. it's not my influence or decision , in my influence or decision, in terms of those . sorry. yes terms of those. sorry. yes >> i was just going to say, mr armstrong, it seems to me that we're coming to the conclusion that the cps and jack straw, at

the very least, have questions to answer. >> well, i think it's always the case that people have questions to answer when, there is a monster who is clearly hiding in plain sight. to use the phrase, and people after his death. but more importantly, after the incredible bravery of a number of women come forward who then say , oh, we always knew there say, oh, we always knew there was something wrong , i'm not was something wrong, i'm not saying that's what the cps is saying that's what the cps is saying , but i do feel that's saying, but i do feel that's rather late . i would make so rather late. i would make so bold as to say it's. i would be critical of that position, because a number of people suffered and continue to suffer from the after effects of this man's behaviour, and so i would suggest that the questions to be answered are why did you not feel and not it's not like the women. it's not the same as the women. it's not the same as the women survivors, who were

threatened and in fear of coming out to say the people who seem to be coming out now, saying that they knew about it, wouldn't be in that same position of fear . they were position of fear. they were positions of influence. they were positions of power. and they they weren't in the same position as the women survivors. it was good. >> yes. >> yes. >> finally, mr armstrong, and briefly , could a public inquiry briefly, could a public inquiry be in order? >> i again, i don't have the power to direct that i have an opinion which suggests that what we have here is a public figure who consorted with other public figures, was close to those in power in society , had huge power in society, had huge wealth and resources, who appears to have been unpunished for very, very significant serial sexual abuse. and then to have presided over the most important retail store, probably

in the world, and use the resources of that store to hide his crimes for that is what they were, to allow, facilities of that store to actually then, cover up and, and threaten the women who might be making allegations . so if that's allegations. so if that's material which is susceptible to a public inquiry, i would suggest it is . suggest it is. >> okay. dean armstrong , casey, >> okay. dean armstrong, casey, thank you very much indeed for your time this morning. good luck with this ongoing case. well, in just a minute, i'm going to be speaking to tory leadership candidate robert jenrick. i'll be asking him whether he thinks he's still going to come out on top to lead the tories against free gear care, which is his new nickname. we had two tier care. now we've got free gear don't go anywhere. we'll be back

welcome back to the camilla tominey show @gbnews. you're watching me live from liverpool, where the labour party conference is beginning in earnest. although we're discussing labour this show, we also have to discuss the tories. because i don't know if you've noticed, there is a leadership race on robert jenrick, who is in some polls leading that race. he's the candidate and indeed the mp for newark joins me now from our paddington studio . mr from our paddington studio. mr jenrick, lovely to see you this morning. you've been making a little bit of a splash in the sunday telegraph because you're talking about the types of people who are coming in on small boats. tell me about the thrust of that piece. >> of terror suspects who are breaking into our country on small boats, coming into here illegally . these are people who illegally. these are people who are linked to serious terror organisations like al—qaeda and islamic state, and we need to tackle this. i fought relentlessly within government to address this , and that is one

to address this, and that is one of the reasons why i believe we now need to leave the european convention on human rights, because we will not be able to remove these people from our country, people who are posing a serious risk to the public unless we do so . unless we do so. >> i mean, people are watching and listening to this. mr jenrick will say it's all well and good that you're saying that, but actually this has happened under the tories watch. this happened over the course of the last 14 years, people have often been scratching their heads wondering why on earth terror suspects and criminals can come here and not face instant deportation . instant deportation. >> well, i agree, kamila. you know there are dozens of dangerous terror suspects in our country who we need to remove. there are over a thousand illegal migrants who are on our registers for other serious criminality. and we need to get these people out of our country. i argued when i was in government relentlessly, that we needed to take the most robust action. that was the reason why

i argued for a strengthened version of the rwanda policy, whereby people who come here illegally would be removed within days, not weeks or months or years. that we should end the merry go round of legal claims, which is preventing us from removing those people . it's removing those people. it's ultimately the reason why i decided to resign from the cabinet at the turn of the year, because i wasn't able to persuade the then prime minister to take the action that was necessary, and i left government so i could change the law to stop this so we could disapply the european convention on human rights, and we can get these dangerous people out of the country and keep the public safe . country and keep the public safe. now we have a prime minister in keir starmer, whose first act was, rather than strengthening rwanda like i wanted, was to scrap it . and i'm frankly scrap it. and i'm frankly sickened by that because that is putting the public in danger, and we've got to hold him to account for the decisions that he's making. >> all right, let's just work on a hypothetical here. robert jenrick wins the tory leadership

race, becomes the leader of the opposition. come 2029, by some miracle, the conservatives win the election. but probably only with a small minority . okay, with a small minority. okay, you're then going to have to persuade the one nation that are still in the tory party that leaving the echr is a good idea. you're going to have to legislate for that. many prime ministers before you have made all sorts of promises about immigration and tens of thousands, and that's just legal, right? you're dealing with illegal immigration, but why won't you face exactly the same opposition that has been inside the heart of many tory battles for the last two decades? why will you make any difference at all? >> well, firstly, that's one of the reasons why i've taken the decision to set out this information today. because i think the public and those in politics need to know how serious this situation is. if we remain within the european convention on human rights, we will not be able to tackle this

issue. there will be terror suspects on our streets for years and decades to come, and people will be put in great dangen people will be put in great danger. people will die as a result of that as they have already with terror attacks. for example, in reading and hartlepool and london bridge. we've got to end that. but within the conservative party, i actually see that things are changing. there is now a consensus that the echr is failing us, and some are saying that we need to reform it. in fact, everyone agrees that at the least it needs to be reformed. what i'm saying is that's not possible. i have studied this. i have a plan, and it's clear to me that there is no way to reform this. that would be a project of decades. there's no way in which we could do that. it would be as doomed to failure. camilla, as david cameron's well—intentioned attempt to renegotiate our membership of the eu years ago . membership of the eu years ago. we need to get on and leave, and i would take us out. the good news is that if you look at the members of parliament who are supporting my campaign, they're coming from all parts, all

traditions within the conservative party, and that suggests that we're winning this argument . argument. >> okay, but what about the criticism of you that you haven't really been fighting any of these battles for very long where were you ten years ago on some of these issues? you were quite busy voting for remain and being a member of the establishment. you were nicknamed robert jenrick because you didn't really stand for anything. and now you're throwing all of this red meat around like you're somehow trying to channel your inner nigel farage. you're never going to out farage farage. you haven't got a reputation in the past for being this strident rightie. so people are looking at you thinking you're just being a political opportunist. >> look, this isn't about aping reform far from it. i want the conservative party to be the serious party of british politics, which is bringing forward the serious answers to the big challenges that we face, like on illegal and legal migration. and people can look at my record . they know that

at my record. they know that i fought relentlessly to reform our legal migration system and personally secured the biggest changes in years that will reduce the number of people coming into our country by 300,000. a year. and they knew that i fought to strengthen the rwanda bill alongside 60 colleagues. that would have stopped the boats. and they also can see that i stood up on principle. i was the only one, frankly, who chose to resign on a matter of principle of honour. in the last parliament. of all those who served in cabinet. that shows that i stand for my principles and i want to make this conservative party better. i want this if we're lucky enough to re—enter government in the future, address these issues once and for all. >> all right. well, you did resign in the last parliament, but a couple of parliaments before that, when you were housing minister boris johnson sacked you in the reshuffle of september 2021. why did he do that ? that? >> well, you'd have to ask boris, but he he himself has acknowledged that it was a mistake to row back on the

planning reforms that we were developing at the time . they developing at the time. they would have helped hundreds of thousands of young people onto the housing ladder, created thousands of jobs and a lot of economic growth that was needed in this country. and that's one of the other things that i want to do. i want to get people back onto the housing ladder. i think that that is a fundamentally conservative thing. and it's important that we do that. of course, we need to do it in our big cities rather than carpeting over the countryside and the green belt. but we've got to address that. i was right to address that. i was right to address it at the time, and it will be part of a future conservative government's agenda when we next come to power . when we next come to power. >> i know, but why should anyone believe you when you say that we should be building more homes ? should be building more homes? when? when you are housing minister, you didn't achieve the government's 300,000 target. the tories kept on undershooting it and you were in post, right, camilla? >> i'm afraid that's wrong. when i was housing secretary, i brought the number of new homes being built in this country up to the highest level since

margaret thatcher was prime minister, in fact, the highest level since 1987. it fell back significantly when i left office. so my record on housing is the best of any housing secretary in recent decades. and i want us to get back to those levels again, because i think it is so important that we give young people a stake in society. thatis young people a stake in society. that is a fundamentally conservative principle . conservative principle. >> well, if you were so great, why did boris johnson sack you? i mean, the former prime minister hated sacking people he didn't like telling people they were out of office. in fact, he should have sacked a few people, including dominic cummings, soonen including dominic cummings, sooner. so why did he sack you if you were so great as housing secretary? >> look , i don't know, camilla. >> look, i don't know, camilla. you'd have. you'd have to ask him. but look, my record as housing secretary is there for everyone to give you at the time. my record is there for everyone to see. i've fought to get the number of homes being built in this country right up there to the highest levels. they've been in my in my lifetime, and i want to see that happen again in the future.

look, people can see camilla, that when i've been in government, i've always taken difficult decisions. i've always fought for solutions to the big challenges facing our country, whether it's to reform the planning system, to get the country building again, whether it's slashing red tape for small businesses when i was community secretary, or whether as immigration minister, getting down legal migration for the first time, tackling the boats, signing deals like the one with albania that to led an almost 40% reduction in the numbers coming across those numbers started to rise again as soon as i resigned and then obviously fighting for us to have a sustainable solution to the small boats crisis with a stronger rwanda policy that would have stopped those boats and would have put this country in a much better place to tackle all of the harms that are coming as a result of legal migration. >> your sunday telegraph piece comes after a piece you wrote in the week in the daily mail, which got a little bit of traction because you found it hard to define what englishness is in the week. i think you were

interviewed by one of our rival channels. what is englishness as far as you're concerned? >> no, camilla, i didn't find it hard to describe englishness at all. i was i was surprised that one of your rival channels even asked me the question. no one would ask a welshman or a scotsman or a frenchman to define what is welsh or scottish or french identity. my point was that national identity comes from our history, our language, our food, our landscapes, our literature. and i think we can all point to things that we love about this country. what i think i need, what i was trying to say in that article, was that far too often do english politicians talk about english identity? it's perfectly normal for a prominent scottish or welsh politician to celebrate scottish or welsh identity, but in england, somehow it's anathema. and that's got to change. i think english identity is in peril right now, and that's

partly because our kids are not being taught in our schools. it's the institutions like our museums and the guardians of our culture are too quick to denigrate it. and it's also because mass migration , because mass migration, particularly focused on england and english cities, is making it too difficult to integrate people into our identity. and i want to change that. i want to start a national conversation about how we celebrate and we protect english identity , and we protect english identity, and we handit protect english identity, and we hand it on to our own children and grandchildren. >> when's the last time you visited the national portrait gallery ? gallery? >> no, i went there recently. i took my kids there a few months ago. i love that gallery. i love showing them well, it's full of portraits. >> it's full of portraits of past. yeah. english kings and queens and other notables. so, i mean, the arts does celebrate britishness and englishness, doesn't it ? doesn't it? >> no. well, actually, i think that there's a real problem in this country that a lot of

people, whether it's in politics, in the media, in our cultural institutions, do not want to talk about english identity in particular. in fact, they frown at that sometimes, and they think that, you know, the flag of saint george is associated with the far right. well, i want to reclaim those things. i want it to be perfectly normal for an english politician to be talking about our own national identity. i think that's really important. or else the real danger in our politics, camilla, is that we leave those things to the far right, and that's wrong. it should be a mainstream view that we can talk about our own identity, which is so important to us as a country. we should be handing it on to the next generation intact. >> speaking about patriots and people who have got a very strong sense of national identity, donald trump, the last time we spoke , mrjenrick, you time we spoke, mr jenrick, you said that you would support trump if you had a vote in the us. do you still support him? after he commented in the recent debate against kamala harris in springfield, they're eating the dogs. springfield, they're eating the dogs . the people that came in

dogs. the people that came in there eating the cats, they're eating, they're eating the pets of the people that live there. >> look, i obviously don't agree with everything that donald trump says and does, but as a conservative, you know, our party has long links with the republican party. so it's natural that we would lean that way. but this is ultimately a decision for the american people. and i respect kamala harris. and this is clearly going to be a tight race. and if i was lucky enough to lead the conservative party in the future after november, i would obviously look to work with whoever is president of the united states . united states. >> okay. what pressure are you willing to bear on labour over donor gate ? i spoke to bridget donor gate? i spoke to bridget phillipson earlier and asked whether rachel reeves needed to be investigated by the parliamentary standards commissioner for claiming that money that was donated to her to pay money that was donated to her to pay for dresses was actually office expenses. miss phillipson didn't seem to think there was anything wrong with that, but it did pique my interest because i

think if i had tried to claim the dress i'm wearing now, which, by the way, i paid for in my tax return as an office expense, i might run into trouble. >> yeah, well, look, firstly, i think this is pathetic. this opposition had 14 years to prepare for government and now they are there. this is all that they are there. this is all that they can do . squabbling over they can do. squabbling over staff and salaries and dresses and stays in luxury apartments in new york. >> get this though mr jenrick. >> get this though mr jenrick. >> these are there are serious issues that belie this beyond just the hypocrisy. there are issues about parliamentary standards and i'm sure this will be something that the parliamentary standards commissioner will be looking into now. but the main thing is that this labour government is so fresh, but it already looks stale. this is behaving like they've been in power for years and yet it's only been 11 weeks. we need to be holding them to account. and that's what i want to do. if i'm lucky enough to lead this party holding keir

starmer and this failing labour government to account . government to account. >> oh, mrjenrick, thank government to account. >> oh, mr jenrick, thank you very much indeed forjoining me this morning and good luck in the leadership race. coming up next, i'm going to be joined by the labour mp jeevun sandher, who is the mp for loughborough, find out what constituents make of

welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news live from the labour party conference in liverpool. i'm delighted to be joined now by jeevun sandher, who's the labour mp for loughborough. lovely to see you. great to be having a great little chat in the break about what it means to be english after what robert jenrick was saying. can i ask you go on. has it been a bit tricky this this donor gate thing? you know, you're newly elected. you think that you're following keir starmer sort of into the sunset.

he's like a knight on a white charger. and you've actually discovered you're led by donkeys. >> well, actually last week for example, i went door knocking on friday night. i think it was to speak to voters. it didn't come up.the speak to voters. it didn't come up. the thing that came up were the things that we're focusing on, right? getting energy bills down with clean energy, our with gb energy, our clean energy company gb hang on a minute. >> the good people of loughborough are banging on about gb energy. >> they're banging on about their energy bills and how we're going to get their energy bills down and what we're talking about this week saying the winter fuel allowance. i did ask about that actually. and i said, look, are you struggling with your bills? and they said no. so i said, on the other side of it, because as you do or are struggling, we have pension credit for those just above the pension credit threshold, the household support fund and my office, by the way, if any of my constituents are at home at the moment and are struggling pensioners, please do get in touch. we will help with your application. >> isn't that a bit embarrassing for you as a leftie? as a labour right? this idea that labour come into power and then penalise seemingly some of the

most vulnerable members of our society, we've got 10 million pensioners affected by this. i think maybe it was seen as a kind of thing that might affect wealthy boomers. and, you know, they don't need their winter fuel allowance because they're already loaded. but lots of people here are saying that they are going to be adversely affected. they're on the breadline. they really need that £300 and that it's a catastrophic mistake. you must be uncomfortable with it. >> we had to fill in this £22 billion financing gap. i'm completely comfortable and have faith in decisions that rachel has made. i know how difficult it is. yeah. and i used to work at the treasury. i was shocked by what i heard with means test the winter fuel allowance. it's there for the poorest pensioners, for those who get pensioners, for those who get pension credit, those just above the threshold. they get the household support fund. the state pension went up by £900 last april, £400. the coming april. there is enough help. >> i'm hearing this labour mps were lining up in previous years to say how awful the tories were being to pensioners, how they weren't supporting them. you have just come into power and aped those bad policies. i can't

believe you're sitting here as a leftie, if i may call you that, saying that you're happy that pensioners are going to lose 300 quids worth of support, how can he be saying that? >> i didn't say i was happy. i said it's a serious decision that we have to take at the moment. so you're unhappy. fill in filling in this gap. i'm saying that actually a very difficult moment for us. the most difficult inheritance is the second world war. and then we went forward. >> rachel reeves, because you're a former treasury man. yeah, i am interested in this. she's just been handed this £10 billion windfall. so she wasn't expecting this. this has got something to do with how the bank of england has, i think, sold and financed some of the government bonds. brilliant. £10 billion that could wipe out this winter fuel cut. it could even wipe out the equally hated vat on private school fees problem. voila. so they are popular again. >> so wait until the budget for those decisions to be made. that's a reported figure. it's not inside the obr forecast that won't be released until we get there. so i would wait to see

what rachel decisions are. clearly, i'm not going to comment on them, mostly because i don't know about them. and until the forecast is done, we don't know what's there. >> but also this idea of it being an inheritance. 9 billion of that 22 billion black hole has been set aside to give pubuc has been set aside to give public sector workers a hefty pay public sector workers a hefty pay rise. so it's not an inheritance , that is it? it's inheritance, that is it? it's a choice. all of these are policy choices, aren't they? >> so every single government has accepted the pay review body recommendations. the thing i'm really worried about at the moment is my mum needing an ambulance and a doctor not being there. 1 in 10 nursing vacancies at the moment are vacant. you pay a competitive wage to get workers in there. we are a responsible government. we will get doctors and nurses in post. we will get the trains running on time. it's part of getting this country moving. >> but the pay recommendations have been exceeded, haven't they? wes streeting has agreed to that. 22% for junior doctors . to that. 22% for junior doctors. ironically, lo and behold , ironically, lo and behold, junior doctors get that 22%. lovely jubbly nice work if you can get it. and then the bma , can get it. and then the bma, the british medical association, which i think most people can agree has become increasingly

militant in recent years , says. militant in recent years, says. but by the way, we could still strike next year and i don't think the bma should do that. >> but again, i think junior doctor faced a 35% pay cut. we've seen doctors leave this country. look, you're a capitalist. i would say camilla, right ? right? >> you pay a competitive wage, you are not afraid of saying exactly right, and you pay a competitive wage. >> if you don't pay a competitive wage, you don't retain your staff. what we've seen with doctors, they're leaving this country, they're going to australia, they're going to australia, they're going to australia, they're going to new zealand. so we are going to new zealand. so we are going to new zealand. so we are going to pay them competitive wages is keeping them here. >> they're not working full time enough. there was a study last week suggesting that the average hours worked in a week by a gp was 26 hours a week. my father was 26 hours a week. my father was a gp. my goodness me, if he could have got away in the 80s and 90s with a 26 hour week, he would have been delighted and he was paid a lot less than gp's are today. second of all, we've got a lot of gp's working part time. third of all, we've got the lord darzi report revealing that despite more spending and more staff, the nhs is less

productive. >> let's take those hand in hand. firstly with the gp's. those are not figures that i recognise. i don't know any gp who works and is that clinical time average? is that just clinical time or is that also, by the way, the two thirds working part time and a third working part time and a third working full time is also in a report. so i haven't seen that report, but the gp's i speak to. look, i have friends with gp's. i met gp's in my constituency i think two weeks ago. they aren't working 40 hour weeks, they're working 40 hour weeks, they're working 60 hour weeks. they're going above and beyond doing a huge amount to try and fill in a addressing the fundamental healtiamount to try and fill in a gap, which is basically, you huge amount to try and fill in a gap, which is basically, you know, we had 14 years of a no know, we had 14 years of a no growth economy that hits gp's. growth economy that hits gp's. it hits the police, hits our it hits the police, hits our fundamental public services. so fundamental public services. so i do not buy the idea that gp's i do not buy the idea that gp's are not working hard enough. are not working hard enough. right | right | are not working hard enough. right i want them to do their are not working hard enough. right i want them to do their job as effectively as possible job as effectively as possible with the darcy report. as we've health with the darcy report. as we've seen over the past 14 years, the seen over the past 14 years, the nhs hasn't been run well but nhs hasn't been run well but also hasn't dealt with the also hasn't dealt with the challenges that we have. chronic challenges that we have. chronic health conditions are more of a health conditions are more of a problem, so we are going to have problem, so we are going to have more focus on prevention. we are more focus on prevention. we are going to have more focus on going to have more focus on community care. it's about community care. it's about

addressing the fundamental addressing the fundamental health needs so they don't have to go and see your gp. so it's addressed beforehand. >> and are you in favour of things like sugar taxes, tobacco taxes, alcohol taxes going up in the budget because we also had another report, didn't we? this week again, lord darzi was involved saying that unless we slap taxes on these different things, we're going to just get sicker. you know, we've got to be more preventative because people watching are listening to this will think , well, hang on a this will think, well, hang on a minute. are you going to start slapping alcohol duty on? you're going to start making some foods more expensive. i'm already trying to cope with the cost of living crisis. food inflation is higher than general inflation. pfices higher than general inflation. prices are still up in the

down since labour took power. it's gone down. according to the gsk index, by about 17 points. the people at gsk are saying it's because of this gloomy outlook. it's keir starmer saying things can only get worse. it's rachel reeves banging on about how difficult the budget is going to be. how does that promote growth if people won't spend their money because they're worried about the labour government taxing them more, because they know this is a serious government thatis this is a serious government that is determined to fix this country, you can't fix the foundation of a house if you ignore the cracks. >> i think the cracks have not just been ignored for the past 14 years, but widened. we are going to fix them. but that starts with an honest accounting of where we are, so it's an honest start from this government that says where we are. >> but look, it's an honest but it's not a good start, is it? >> it's been a difficult summer. i think it's fair to say. i mean, we've had riots weeks, hasn't it? i mean, fundamentally i'm talking about don't gate, let's just grasp the nettle. >> this has been an appalling few weeks. it's the worst start to a conference and indeed an administration that we've witnessed in recent history. >> this is a little bit

dramatic, but from my perspective, the things that my constituents really care about, their energy bills being able to see their doctor, being able to saw their kids go to a good school are the things that we are addressing. our clean energy company. we've just started hiring 1000 more gps. bridget's hiring 1000 more gps. bridget's hiring 6500 more teachers. the knife crime coalition to make our streets safe again. i'm really hopeful about the future we're going to build. i'm determined to build it. i know it's a difficult moment, right. but that does not mean our nation's best days are ahead of us, and i believe they absolutely are. >> i'm glad to hear you sounding more positive than the prime minister and the chancellor. jeevun sandher, thank you very much indeed forjoining me. have a great conference. thank you very much, camilla. coming up next, i'm going to be joined by chris hope and matthew torbett to round out what's making waves at the labour party conference in

welcome back to gb news, the camilla tominey show live from the labour party conference in

liverpool sounded like a game show host. when i say live, but it's such good fun. now i'm delighted to be joined by gb news political editor christopher hope and political commentator matthew torbett to talk us through what's to come. matthew be honest, this has not been a great start to conference. we've got donor gates still rumbling, bridget phillipson having parties for her 40th paid for by lord alli spectacle suits, wallets and watches , football tickets, watches, football tickets, dresses. it's been a bit of a nightmare, hasn't it? >> i think it's certainly overshadows things. i think what no doubt keir would have wanted is this is the first first conference in 14 years where we were in government. we want to put out a positive message, i imagine probably lay the groundwork for tough decisions. and ultimately, yeah, this is totally going to overshadow things. i think what you should probably do in his speech on tuesday is try and actually make a bit of light of it. >> yes, i really will that go down? well, if he jokes about it? no, the public are quite certainly it certainly won't. was that a good idea?

>> well, i have two conflicting emotions. camilla. yeah. great to be here with you at the party conference. >> lovely to be here. >> lovely to be here. >> i feel a bit sorry for them because rishi sunak was so rich. he didn't need to have lord alli paying he didn't need to have lord alli paying for his flat in new york as angela rayner had over the new year period, or spectacles or suits or clothes. and by the way, these are all my own clothes. i'm a normal person. >> did you pay for that? >> did you pay for that? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> so i paid for this. >> so i paid for this. >> i feel slightly sorry for them, but also it's right on. it's their fault they've taken away this benefit from 10 million pensioners and you set that against enriching yourself with freebies. it is just outrageous. and you're saying it is it? it is their own fault , is it? it is their own fault, camilla i know, and it's not they're not rich enough. it's that they simply they've made poor choices here. >> left wing view on it. because i said to jeevun sandher earlier, look, you can't be happy about this. and he was trying to give it a good spin. this isn't great labour politics. this idea of taking money away from pensioners. >> oh, no, they should u—turn. i've said this from the off. it's a very bad idea. i didn't know if it was the worst type of

political gamesmanship of old. people don't tend to vote laboun people don't tend to vote labour. public sector workers do. are taking from one and giving to the other. oh, it's very sinner that's the case. i don't know. but no, it shouldn't be brexit revenge sounds like to me. well, i think the, the opfics me. well, i think the, the optics of it are very bad. and actually when i worked for mps, i was always nervous of donors that wished to give money because you never know what they may have said. 5 or 6 years ago, what they may have written. there's only what they want. find out. yeah, potentially what they want. it depends. but you used to i mean, if you're going to take money, which they haven't. but like big tobacco you'd say no, no this doesn't look good. and what's more concerning for me is the operation around the leadership and those around it not going, maybe we should have a think about how this looks. >> so it's not just starmer's fault, it's also sue greys. i mean, i think the murkiest aspect of this is lord alli gives ten grand to her son liam conlon campaign during the election, he gets elected for beckenham and penge. well done you.the beckenham and penge. well done you. the next thing we know, lord alli is getting a pass to downing street sanctioned by sue gray. >> it's not declared, not said. why all this is declared. so

labour's position is we're telling you what's happening and if we haven't, we can correct the record like with lady starmer as angela rayner may have to do with taking sam tarry, went with her to new york. sam tarry her at the time there may be close friends. i was having a drink last night with some senior labour people very close to the nec, the ruling body. now, in the old days of corbyn, we heard a lot about the nec. they're in charge. executive committee. sorry. thank you for spelling it out. but this has this issue of the £300 withdrawal of benefit has been red flagged to the nec. that means they want to raise it, but they're not sure what to do. they don't want to be. it's so we're ten weeks into a government here, a five year government. they don't want to start kicking off against the leadership so quickly. >> diane abbott's kicking off well yes, but she's horrific. >> she's barely in the party isn't she now. >> but she's still she's still hanging on in there. >> she's hanging on. >> she's hanging on. >> she's hanging on. >> she's a thorn in his side. people listen to diane abbott. she's quite influential. >> and how do you get past this through her speeches today we're heanng through her speeches today we're hearing from angela rayner at 1125 on gb news. pat mcfadden, darren jones number two to

rachel rees for five minutes. don't know why it's so short. >> oh you've got five minutes with reeves. >> no that's darren jones on the platform. it's all on the platform. it's all on the platform today. on the platform lucy powell by the way matthew need to clarify this situation with claiming donations towards dresses as office expenses . dresses as office expenses. >> bridget phillipson tied herself up in knots just literally in that seat about an hour ago. dresses aren't office expenses and never have been. what are they doing here? that's an irregularity of recording . an irregularity of recording. >> i can only assume the argument could be made that you were wearing such clothes in an official capacity. that's the only way i could see getting round it. i suppose the other thing is, and they won't want to put their staff or throw their staff under the bus, it's people like me that would register. it's not the mps. no, unfortunately, it's the office of and they've sort of got front. >> their heads must roll. i mean, you take vicarious responsibility. no, it's all on them. if anything happens with it, it's on you. that's my problem. >> let's go to boris johnson. he always said it's all on me. he

never tried to blame his advisers, to be fair. and that's leadership. and that's what i think they should be doing actually. >> and the only this is where i give them credit. we only know this because it's all declared. what we had in boris johnson was somebody that actually tried to hide, declaration and not declare it, as well as actually pretending he didn't have the whatsapps to prove it. and whatever else and what. >> and that was wrong. that was wrong. >> matthew, i agree, and actually, you know, the bar should be higher than this. we shouldn't also be in the mud. but i would say lying to the queen and being in found in contempt of parliament is far worse of a threat to the queen. i love this tickets please, please, whatever else, it's a new a new dawn has broken, has it not? >> i mean, for goodness sake, on the footage. >> on the footage and boris johnson, you know, i vividly remember boris johnson at least being in the rugby at the rugby in the stands. i think he was always also at one point at twickenham, sort of roaming around the cardinal vaughan car park, like having a few drinks with people. meanwhile, i also vividly remember rishi sunak as prime minister in the stands at southampton. he was there, i think he was with the vip area

when those photos, but this whole idea that starmer has to be in this corporate box at the emirates worth eight grand a p0p, emirates worth eight grand a pop, the problem may be that's a fallacy. >> the problem may be because if you're a season ticket holder, you're a season ticket holder, you're the same seats in all the games. so everyone knows where he's going to be sitting. so because he's got a definite seat that he has to go into somewhere safe rather than a random seat, that might be, well, i'm defending starmer there, but even so, he is seen in a box because i vividly remember reporting on it. >> olympics at london 2012. you had william and kate, prince and princess of wales celebrating chris hoy, literally among the masses . obviously they've got masses. obviously they've got their security detail around. they would have been at risk there, but no one knew they'd be there, but no one knew they'd be there until they turned up. >> whereas starmer would always be in these same seats every game. and that's maybe why he can't get back there each time. >> okay, so you think there's nothing wrong with this eight grand a pop, you know, man of the people at arsenal, there's a lot wrong with that. >> yeah, there's a lot wrong with that. >> yes. no, i would say there's probably a cheaper way to do it.

i think you tend to go in things like the director's box, maybe the arsenal owners or directors could invite them into their sort of little area, which is what i think rishi sunak used to do at southampton. rather than having a big corporate box. there's a lot of money and the headache for him is he's a big football fan. he's got to declare it every time i ask you a question box. >> no, i don't, i'm not doubting he's a genuine, genuine football fan. i just don't know whether you need to watch the football from the most expensive seat in. yes. >> can i ask you one question, matthew? maybe, if i may ask, where is keir starmer? normally normally he does a bit. he does a bbc interview. not on this show, no. you know we've had bridget phillipson. >> what he's afraid of. >> what he's afraid of. >> no. but normally the leader does. one bbc interview. no. no other broadcaster. he's put reeves on. >> yes. >> yes. >> where is he and where's sue gray? why are the two principles at the heart of this? not here. >> questions for them. what i would say, tongue in cheek, is arsenal are playing at manchester city down the road today, so we may have other things on his mind heading there. who knows. but no. i actually felt a bit sorry for angela rayner going on the bbc

this morning. i felt like she was thrown to the wolves a little bit and gone. you know, it must be the first time you you'll know more than me, since a sitting prime minister has not done the sunday shows on the day. >> normally it's fair. it's fair, not fair. gb news and sky news at other broadcasters available, they will do one interview. it's the bbc interview. it's the bbc interview and it hasn't happened. >> we've got 30s left for me to wrap up. can i just say this to the prime minister? you are welcome on my show any time. so is the chancellor. so is the deputy prime minister. nothing to be scared of. just a few straight questions that require straight questions that require straight answers. thank you for joining me here at the labour party conference in liverpool. our broadcasting on gb news will continue all day here. chris will be up, olivia and all the rest of the team. i will be back next week at 930 from birmingham for the tory party conference. up for the tory party conference. up next is emily carver, covering for michael portillo. but you've got some weather before that. have a great sunday. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> hello there. very good

morning to you. today is the autumn equinox heralding in a new season and for some of us it certainly is going to feel quite autumnal. we've got an area of low pressure moving into southern areas of the uk to provide some fairly unsettled weather. today, heavy pulses of rain spreading across central southern areas of england and into wales as well. there certainly could be some disruption possible in the rain. warning is in force, so do take care here if you are planning to travel at all. some quite cloudy conditions across north eastern areas of england and into eastern scotland as well, providing a bit of drizzle but some fine conditions for western scotland into northern ireland as well, with some sunny spells throughout the day, and here temperatures could climb towards 18 to 20 c, but also 20 in the far south. but feeling a lot more humid here. underneath all that cloud and rain, the rain will continue on as we head into the evening period as well. for scotland though , the evening is scotland though, the evening is one of that east west split continuing so the best of the sunshine to end the day. certainly in the west that drizzle underneath the clouds still possible further towards the east quite cloudy as well for down into northumberland, parts of yorkshire and lincolnshire as well. that cloud

and rain then across wales into central areas could still provide some heavy bursts of rain. we might see some thunderstorms developing throughout the afternoon and evening today as well, and that's certainly something to take care of. it will eventually become a bit slow moving through wales into the midlands , and wales into the midlands, and another rain warning comes in force at the start of monday as well, with further heavy pulses possible as we head towards dawn. it's not going to be a cool night at all really, many of us holding up in teens 14 to 15 c with that rain still very much in place. first thing, there is some uncertainty in regards to the exact positioning of this rain, but particularly eastern wales into the midlands up towards north east england, it is certainly worth taking care during the day. some very heavy rain is possible, but do stay up to date with the forecast. some showers developing in the south, whereas it will be a little bit drier further towards the north, but we'll have that band of rain starting to push its way into the far north of scotland. and that's a sign of things to come, with a northerly wind setting itself in, so things will be turning cooler over the next few days. >> looks like things are heating

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gb news. will >> good morning and welcome to sunday with emily carver. i am holding the fort for michael today. well, the labour party conference kicks off in liverpool with the slogan change begins emblazoned across the conference. but with the row over freebies rumbling on, keir starmer's approval rating is at its lowest level yet, and near—daily stories about sue gray, his chief of staff, causing trouble. is the mood going to fall a little flat? and then, as the controversy around lady starmer's clothes rumbles on too, i'll be asking a fashion expert if the uk's first lady should be given her own fashion allowance. and would you ever let another man buy your wife's clothes? apparently, in this case, yes. and there is another prince andrew drama on the small screen. have you seen it yet?

michael sheen, he's starring in a very