>> well . >> well. >> well. >> hello. good afternoon and welcome to gb news. we are live on tv , online and on digital on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now . this show is all right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it says. and of course it's yours. well, we are debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me throughout the show, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also author and broadcaster and commentator. she's not a competition, she's lizzie candy. right on today's show, the labour party kick off their conference in liverpool as deputy prime minister angela rayner delivered a keynote speech, fighting back tears as she took the stage amid their

party freebees and foreign and rouse and the foreign secretary, david lammy, claiming britain is back to the tory leadership race where former immigration minister robert jenrick has revealed dozens of terror suspects have crossed the channelin suspects have crossed the channel in small boats. and for the interview, i'll be joined by ex—gangster turned ceo stephen gillan. once one of the uk's most wanted london members now determined to help others avoid going down a criminal path. we'll be talking about labour's early prison release scheme and was it successful? but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> a very good afternoon to you. >> a very good afternoon to you. >> it'sjust >> a very good afternoon to you. >> it's just after 3:00. >> it's just after 3:00. >> the top story this hour. the labour party conference is now underway in liverpool. their first conference in power in almost 15 years. deputy prime minister angela rayner gave her speech earlier this morning, addressing concerns around the party and hitting out at the previous conservative government. take a listen. >> there will be no complacency.

we've seen where that leads. don't forget what they did partygate, covid contracts, the lies division scapegoating and the unfunded tax cuts for the richest that crashed our economy. don't forget any of it. the tories failed britain and they tried to cover it up. a crater in the heart of britain's economy, a puncture in the pocket of every working family and a £22 billion black hole . and a £22 billion black hole. >> it could also be trouble for sir keir starmer elsewhere in the uk, as the snp's westminster leader, stephen flynn, has said, the new prime minister is failing to deliver on the change that he promised scotland in the general election in july. he claims that despite the snp being willing to work with laboun being willing to work with labour, the akua is, he says, completely out of touch with scotland and the issues the country is facing. it comes after the prime minister has already faced criticism over cuts to the winter fuel

allowance, and his acceptance of clothing donations. well, earlier, our scotland reporter tony maguire asked the people of glasgow if they feel sir keir is delivering in three months, give or take, this labour government. >> how do you think they are performing for scotland? >> one out of ten. really? yeah again, i'm a pensioner. they've taken my winter fuel allowance andifs taken my winter fuel allowance and it's wrong. >> i had high hopes for keir starmer and now it's all gone. has there been any. >> i haven't really noticed much to be honest. >> i'm ashamed to say i'm a glaswegian. really. when i see the state of the place and i've watched 13 years of snp, we're in big, big trouble. well, no, no, we might be out of the trouble now with the labour run, i don't know, just a matter of wait and see. >> elsewhere in politics, reform leader nigel farage has sat down with gb news political editor christopher hope at their party conference yesterday. speaking on chopper's political podcast

mr farage said in order for reform to make an impact at the local elections next may, the party will, he says, have to complete ten years of evolution in just the next six months. however, that hasn't stopped him from setting quite the target . from setting quite the target. >> we've got enough people to have 2300 candidates. the question is, are they the right 2300 candidates? because we will be held to a higher standard than everybody else. and i'm aiming in those elections to win hundreds of seats. >> and you can listen to the full interview there on chopper's political podcast, which you can of course, find wherever you get your podcasts from. well, it's been reported that four people have been killed and dozens of others have been wounded in a mass shooting in alabama. the birmingham police department in the us have said the attack took place in the five points south area around 11:00 last night. authorities also believe multiple shooters were involved, though no arrests have been made so far. according to local media, there , responding media, there, responding officers found multiple victims at the scene of the shooting,

three sadly pronounced dead, while a fourth later died in hospital . news from the middle hospital. news from the middle east and a funeral for the senior hezbollah leader and one of the group's members has been taking place in the lebanese capital of beirut this afternoon. the service was to mark the deaths of senior leader ibrahim akil and for hezbollah member mahmoud hamad. the two were killed in friday's israeli strike on beirut's southern suburbs . the commemorations suburbs. the commemorations marking the 80th anniversary of the battle of arnhem have continued in the netherlands today. this morning, veterans, armed forces personnel and the princess royal gathered at the oosterbeek war cemetery for the airborne memorial service with the event the closed by the fly—past from the battle of britain memorial flight. earlier, her royal highness princess anne gave a reading to mark the 80th anniversary of operation market garden. >> he that dwelleth in the

secret place of the most high shall abide under the shadow of the almighty. i will say of the lord, he is my refuge and my fortress, my god, in him will i trust . trust. >> and finally , they've always >> and finally, they've always been there for . >> and finally, they've always been there for. us. for the past three decades anyway. today marks the 30th birthday of one of the most iconic series of all time. yes, of course it's friends. the show premiered for the first time in the us back in 1994, fast becoming one of nbc's most watched programs and lasting for ten series. those are the latest headlines for now. i'll be back with you in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

slash alerts. >> thank you sam. it's fast approaching seven minutes after 3:00. welcome this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio, on different radio. digital radio. i'm nana akua now. of course, the labor party conference has kicked off amid the ongoing row over freebies and infighting. deputy prime minister angela rayner says that she understands the anger but assures supporters that now change begins where live in liverpool with our reporters and exclusive guests, then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is it time for the labour party to take action against rogue landlords? this comes as labour mp for ilford south, jaz athwal, breached child safety rules for the nurseries he ran. is it time for the party to take action? then we'll cross live to tel aviv as tensions in the middle east escalate with a week of terror and explosions in the region, the idf claim hezbollah's leadership has almost been completely dismantled. i'll get the thoughts of uri geller shortly

and for the interview, i'll be joined by ex—gangster turned ceo steven gillon , once one of the steven gillon, once one of the uk's most wanted london gang members. now determined to help others avoid going down the criminal path , will be also criminal path, will be also talking about labour's early prison release scheme. and was it successful? all of that is on the way. send me your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com forward slash your say . all forward slash your say. all right so the labour party conference in liverpool gets underway as deputy prime minister angela rayner delivered a keynote speech fighting back tears as she took to the stage amid their party freebies. row but angela still had a chance to hit out at the tories. let's have a listen. >> there will be no complacency. we've seen where that leads. don't forget what they did partygate, covid contracts, the lies division scapegoating and the unfunded tax cuts for the

richest that crashed our economy. don't forget any of it. the tories failed britain and they tried to cover it up. a crater in the heart of britain's economy, a puncture in the pocket of every working family and a £22 billion black hole , and a £22 billion black hole, which i think you might all fall in if you carry on as you're going. >> well, joining me now live from liverpool, is our political correspondent, katherine forster catherine, quite, quite, quite an impressive speech this morning. there were many things that i, i would agree with angela on. one of the things she did focus on though, she did focus a lot on housing, and obviously that's part of her remit and landlords and how tenants should be treated. but did was there any mention though, and has anyone mentioned labour mp josh howie archewell ? labour mp josh howie archewell? >> well, no, they haven't mentioned him. he is, of course, the commons biggest landlord.

he's got more rental properties than anybody else and it emerged a few weeks ago that 15 of his tenants were complaining about mould and ants, etc. reflected very, very badly on him indeed. and a couple of days ago there was another story about him that some nurseries run by him were not living up to minimum standards . not living up to minimum standards. but that's only one of the many, many rows going on about the labour party at the moment. and talking about angela rayner , the housing secretary rayner, the housing secretary and deputy prime minister who of course was speaking earlier . course was speaking earlier. there's an ongoing row now about her accommodation in new york over the new year period . over the new year period. because she went for five days, she stayed in a very lovely £2.5 million apartment owned by lord alli, who also gave money to the prime minister, the prime minister's wife . et cetera. and

minister's wife. et cetera. and she didn't mention that sam tarry, who was then also an mp, had stayed with her. so she's been questioned about that this morning. she said, look, this is all within the rules. and in terms of politicians accepting donations and freebies, this is how politics is. the important thing is that we're transparent, which we have been. but i do think this continuing drip, drip of stories over the last week or so , starting last sunday with so, starting last sunday with the news that lord alli, who'd had a temporary pass to downing street and had given lady starmer £5,000 worth of free clothes, this row has just gone on every day, pretty much. there's been a new revelation. we've learned that the pm has accepted over £100,000 in donations and so labour are here

with this huge majority in government for the first time in 14 years. they want to talk about change beginning as they say they got elected on that word change. they want to talk about housing. they want to talk about housing. they want to talk about planning workers rights. but at the moment there is a real risk that all of that is overshadowed by all these donations rose and that far from bringing the change, some members of the public will look at them and think they're much the same as the last lot, because some of the things that she's saying, if you close your eyes and turn the words to laboun eyes and turn the words to labour, it would almost she could literally be talking about the labour party. >> that's just my view. and now, how was david lammy's speech received? now he has just been speaking . speaking. >> well, david lammy, the foreign secretary of course, has hugely pressing issues to deal with. doesn't he? because we've got the war in ukraine, we've

got the war in ukraine, we've got the war in ukraine, we've got the highly contentious issue of whether or not storm shadow missiles will be authorised by the us to fire into russia itself. vladimir putin has vowed very serious consequences if that happens. there's also the escalating situation in the middle east, of course, with the attacks last week by israel on hezbollah, the assassination of their leader, things are getting to an incredibly worrying place in the middle east. so david lammy is well, he's been shuttling here, there and everywhere. and there's the un general assembly later this week, too. he also made his first speech last week and in that he was talking about climate change, actually, he was saying that climate change above and beyond everything is the biggest issue facing the world, and that he wants climate change

and that he wants climate change and climate change resilience to be at the heart of everything that the foreign office does. >> yes, i bet he does, because that's the one thing that he can do absolutely nothing about, really. it was just quite interesting that he would focus on that with all the wars that are happening there. that's the biggest thing, because obviously without without a world, without a planet, if we blow ourselves up, we won't need to worry about that at all. so who are the other speakers we're looking forward to hearing today ? forward to hearing today? >> i have do not have the list. oh hold on, let me get it up on my phone. those are the main two, to be honest. nana, for today and then tomorrow the big one will be rachel reeves, the chancellor. we'll be hearing from her, of course, this huge speculation about what horrors potentially are going to be in the budget on october the 30th. lots of people worried about more tax rises. we know there's going to be pain coming. there's been a huge backlash to the winter fuel , allowance. and then winter fuel, allowance. and then keir starmer , the prime

keir starmer, the prime minister, his speech will be on tuesday. and after that he will be jetting off to the united nafions be jetting off to the united nations general assembly. so a lot of things happening on tons of fringe events , lots of of fringe events, lots of different stalls and of course the party of government. so there'll be a business day tomorrow with, i think, about 500 business leaders keen to hear about labour's plans for government and how that might impact them because of course, angela rayner has got this gig workers rights bill wanting to give workers more rights. not everyone in business is all that happy with that, right? >> katherine forster, thank you so much. that was the brilliant katherine forster. she's out there at the labour party conference in liverpool. right. you're with me . conference in liverpool. right. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv , online and on digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. coming up should rachel reeves upcoming budget scrap foreign

aid to fill the government's financial black hole? but next. is it time that labour action against rogue landlords aswell? this is

gb news. hello. good afternoon. just coming up to 20 minutes after 3:00. welcome. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. i'm nana akua. now it's time for the great british debate. this hour. the great british debate. this hour . and i'm the great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking. deputy prime minister angela rayner has announced a labour led crackdown on rogue landlords, pledging to end the scandal of substandard housing at their conference in liverpool. she committed to holding councils housing associations and private landlords accountable for unsafe living conditions and this comes after labour mp jaz asphalt breached child safety regulations as some of his nurseries were not fit for purpose. and while the proposed decent homes standard will ensure rental properties meet

minimum safety standards alongside new legislation, awaab ishak law designed to tackle hazards like damp and mould. so if the great british debate i'm asking is it time labour took action against rogue landlords like jaz archewell, their very own mp? joining me, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. right. i'm going to start with you, danny kelly. can i just say how resplendent you two look in labour? >> red. it could be a party of delegates here. >> well, i've got another one. >> well, i've got another one. >> i'm hoping for some hope and vision from the labour conference. >> jazz. well, the irony of this. so, angela rayner going after rogue landlords. and there's probably one on the front row at the party. delegates in liverpool. he may be there for all i know. it's completely the irony is tragic. there's something that is most unlike labour about owning 18 properties, by the way . that is properties, by the way. that is true capitalism. that is sort of hoovering up properties that people may want to buy and renting them out to people who

can't afford to buy them now because you've just pushed the pnces because you've just pushed the prices up most on labour. like, do we know that he knew they were they were vermin infested and ant infested. >> it was mouldy and ants. that's correct . probably vermin that's correct. probably vermin as well. >> it's london. yeah. of course. so did he know if he did know, then it's a scandal. you know. he should have done something. maybe he was trying to cut corners and save money. i think when i heard him respond to this, i think he was distancing himself, saying, look, i have people who manage my rentals, but at some point someone must have complained to the managers of those rentals and they must have gone up to say, look, mr archewell, you've got a problem with ants , you've got a problem with ants, you've got a problem with ants, you've got a problem with mould. you're going to have to spend a few quid and at that point, i don't believe that he didn't know about it. >> well, that was not the only thing though. so he was head of the council at the time. so before he was an mp he was head of the council and they introduced a licensing scheme. so all landlords had to have a licence for their properties. he did not have a licence for all of his properties. so there were i think seven properties where there was no licence. now, if

you pretend that you didn't know about the mo mowlam, everything else you cannot pretend that one. >> no, he knew he didn't have a licence. it is despicable what he's done with his properties full of mould, damp ants, pitiful . you know he hasn't pitiful. you know he hasn't bothered. he doesn't care. and i'd say to, you know, get your own house in order. first have a look at your own. i mean, that is disgraceful. and i actually think he should have a big investigation into him. i think there'll be more about him. he's not honest. he's not done the right thing. and he puts a bad name onto landlords because there are some good landlords out there and he gives a really bad rep. >> well, you see it's people like that that angela rayner is talking about. yeah, of course, which is fine. and i don't disagree with her when she talks about dealing with leaseholders and making sure that people have somewhere to live and getting rid of homelessness , i have no rid of homelessness, i have no issue with that. but actions speak louder than words and i'm listening to all the right things. but i'm not seeing any action at all. >> it's hugely embarrassing for the labour party. they're trying to clean up the rental market and they've got a rogue landlord

sitting in parliament. representative. it's true, though, he's the biggest landlord in parliament. talk about airing their dirty laundry in public. this is an example of what she's trying to stamp out . what she's trying to stamp out. you know, you need to get your house in order. it's so embarrassing. >> they need to have a look at themselves. it's so hypocritical i can't get over. i keep wanting to give them a chance, but everything they do is just laughable. and i just think people aren't taking them seriously. now she needs to do something about this guy. it's dreadful what he's done. is he? >> now i want to offer another perspective on this, but it's very difficult to do that when the leader or the deputy prime minister is talking about an issue that is probably close to all of our hearts. and to be honest, we'd probably agree with initiatives to improve the housing rental market. but they are not doing what they're saying they want us to do . saying they want us to do. >> no they're not. and, you know, they say one thing and then they do another. they gave then they do another. they gave the tory party so much stick, saying, oh, one rule for you and you know, another for everyone else. yet they're doing exactly the same. but i think worse actually, because they tend to

be this oh so good party being landlord. >> it's a business, isn't it? like most businesses, you want to spend as little as possible. and i have a car business and i apply the same logic i want to spend.i apply the same logic i want to spend. i want to keep my expenditure to down a minimum, but i need to make sure cars are safe, reliable and legal. but with landlords and properties, you're talking about people's health now, this law. i've forgotten the name of the poor child who died because of. yeah, so we have a poor child who died because of these similar circumstances. asthmatic. and then breathing problems. poor little thing . so you're dealing. little thing. so you're dealing. it's all very well. i could i could sell a car and it might break down two weeks later. no one's died. but we're talking about people. of course not. but as long as i get the car prepared correctly on day one. but with a house, people are living in it. people are inhaung living in it. people are inhaling spores , and there's no inhaling spores, and there's no excuse for that. i'm sorry. and so you need to sometimes stop thinking about the bottom line and start thinking about your customers. >> but what we've got is a housing crisis and landlords are selling up. it's nearly 13% in four months. i've just gone

there worried about labour. they they they are worried about all they they are worried about all the tax hikes. there's no tax breaks for them. what's in it for them. it's too much. and the government have got to do something about this because you know without landlords where are the renters going to go anyway. >> well well there is an argument that sorry to interject, there is an argument that renters could actually buy these properties if it wasn't for the landlords. that takes me back to my earlier point, but then the government and the council should do a scheme and come together and maybe look at the houses that are being, you know, because the landlords can't afford to keep them anymore. >> well, there may well be an argument for landlords leaving the business and everything, but the business and everything, but the problem, the reason why many people rent is because they can't get a mortgage or the facility to do that is not available. that's true. so and actually some people prefer to rent anyway. >> no you're right, i'm not saying it's exclusive. >> so the bottom line is do as you say or say as you do, not as you say or say as you do, not as you say or whatever way round that is. but you know what i mean. there's no point. you can't be taken seriously. and there's also the she's also

looking at employment law as well. and looking at getting rid of zero hour contracts, which a lot of people like, i think because they've been out of the work environment for like 14 years, a lot of them have been in opposition for the full time that they don't know that the work environment has actually changed substantially. >> so the workers are going to have more power than those employing them. so it doesn't make sense. and the fact is everything they do is hypocritical. i don't know how she can stand there and talk about partygate when they've got the biggest scandal going on at the biggest scandal going on at the minute. it just brings attention to what they're doing. >> may i say keir starmer dodged a bullet when he was in the nonh a bullet when he was in the north east drinking beer and eating curry. i couldn't see any anything that was dissimilar to bons anything that was dissimilar to boris johnson eating a slice of cake, i really couldn't. i said it at the time, nana the guy, the waller, who's in charge of the waller, who's in charge of the police and crime commissioner, is a labour lad in the north east. and i said at the north east. and i said at the time, labour lad, keir starmer, nothing's going to happen. >> well, some people would argue that it was different and what they would say is that boris johnson was almost like a systemic problem. and there was an ongoing thing. it wasn't just

an ongoing thing. it wasn't just a one off partygate, it was all the other things that were going on. wallpaper, gate, animal gate, all the other gates that came along. so some people would say that it was actually a rotten structure within the whole thing and party obe gate and they would a one off, they would be correct, but they might not be. they might. >> well, in their view, they may be correct. but my point is that he got a ticket for that one occasion. that one incident. so you're right about all of the other things that undermined him. but he got a ticket for that one thing, eating a slice of cake. >> well, can i say if he ate the cake? no, i don't think he did. if labour keep going on about this 22 billion black hole, which i don't believe because rachel reeves was asked to actually go through it and she couldn't do that for the financial times. i all they're doing is bringing it back onto themselves. they're going to talk about the tories the last 14 years, partygate. everyone's looking at them going, hold on a minute, we've got donor cake, we've got wardrobe gate, we've got the arsenal box gate, we've got the arsenal box gate, we've got spectacle gate. i mean, how many more you know, scandals. really? yeah. lady, people will get fed up of hearing 14 years of conservatives. it's getting

boring. and we need to look to the future. change what? change? it seems to change for the worse. >> well, they said they'll get worse before they get better, so they're probably telling the truth there, aren't they? >> well, gloom and doom. let's go back to reform. their conference. it was high energy. it was positive. you know, everyone was up there. this one. everyone looks like they're on a debbie downer, aren't they? they're like, oh, miserable . they're like, oh, miserable. >> well, i suppose it's because this was meant to be a celebration of this great win that keir starmer achieved. and it is a big achievement to get a 158 seat majority. that's that's quite something. and have the amount of power that he has. >> well, i think it was a very low turnout. >> sorry. yeah, but that may be true. but the conference was meant to be a celebration of that. but unfortunately it has been overshadowed by all of this. >> it is very dire up there in liverpool. >> it's not like the fanfare we had with tony blair got in, is it? it's hardly. it's kind of like home, very. but on a budget . like home, very. but on a budget. >> it's like very reform thing was a lot more upbeat as well. you know, they had a good time.

politicians mustn't be embarrassed about the perception of letting their hair down. and, you know, just being a man or a woman of the people like farage, love or hate farage, he's a man of the people and that's why that's part of his success. >> but also, i think they've got to read the room. they're not reading the room when starmer was tackled about all of these, you know, gifts he was getting, he was said fair do's. he, they don't seem to read the room. and there's rayner going on about partygate. you saw the audience just went quiet. they've had enough of hearing about it and it just brings the scandal back to them because everyone's saying, hold on a minute, you're in the papers for all the wrong reasons. at the minute. labour party, you know, don't be going on about 14 years of tory. look at yourselves now. right now. >> well, the tories have sort of hidden behind some rocks somewhere. i don't know what. that conference is coming soon. and my aim is to get to all of the different conferences. i did go to reform. i will hope to try and get to the labour party conference as well. if they let me in. >> are you going to liverpool? are you? >> let me in. good luck. >> are you going up to the north west? >> yes. and obviously we had the

liberal democrats conference earlier this month as well, which was a ed davey was very upbeat. yeah. and he walked jet skied in didn't he? >> he did indeed. >> he did indeed. >> liverpool's a great city now. have you been great? i've been to brilliant city. brilliant city. it's much maligned in the 19805 city. it's much maligned in the 1980s and 90s much more like liverpool. >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> of course it's a great city. >> of course it's a great city. >> i'm wondering if you'll find sue sue gray. she's gone missing . sue sue gray. she's gone missing. >> was she not in the audience? >> was she not in the audience? >> no, she's not there. no one can find her. >> really, because of all the dough that she's on. she's in the news on the front page again, somewhere in the canbbean again, somewhere in the caribbean with that money, she may well be prepared to accept a reduction in her salary of £3,000. >> i think there was a 170. >> i think there was a 170. >> she's hiding that. >> she's hiding that. >> but anyway, what do you think? gbnews.com/yoursay get in touch. i'd love to hear your views. i'm nana akua. this is tv news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. next we'll cross over live to tel aviv and as the idf claim, hezbollah's leadership has almost been completely dismantled, we'll hear the thoughts of uri geller. but first, let's get your latest

headunes but first, let's get your latest headlines with sam francis . headlines with sam francis. >> nana, thank you very much , >> nana, thank you very much, and good afternoon to you. just coming up to 3:31, the top story this hour, the labour labour party conference is underway in liverpool with deputy prime minister angela rayner giving her opening speech earlier this morning. she addressed concerns around the party and hit out at the previous conservative government. however, there will be questions for the party's leader, sir keir starmer, following an observer poll which has found he's now less popular than rishi sunak, with his personal rating dropping by 45 points since july. well earlier , points since july. well earlier, education secretary bridget phillipson has defended the prime minister and the plans for the government . the government. >> it feels at the minute that really a lot isn't working in our country. we are determined this week here in liverpool to talk about the change that we're delivering on that will make a difference. that will bring some hope and optimism back. but absolutely fixing the foundations of our economy ,

foundations of our economy, stabilising our economy is absolutely crucial because everything else has to flow from that. >> it's been reported that four people have been killed and dozens of others have been wounded in a mass shooting in alabama, the birmingham police department have said. the attack took place in the five points south area around 11:00 last night. authorities also believe multiple shooters were involved, but no arrests have been made so far. and according to local media, responding officers found multiple victims at the scene . multiple victims at the scene. three were sadly pronounced dead, while a fourth later died at hospital . news from the middle hospital. news from the middle east and hezbollah say that they have entered a new phase of its battle with israel, with the terror group's deputy leader describing it as an open ended battle of reckoning. he made those comments during a funeral for a top commander killed in an israeli strike on beirut's southern suburbs. the service was to mark the deaths of ibrahim akil and for hezbollah member mahmoud hamad. the two

were killed in friday's israeli strike. the commemorations marking the 80th anniversary of the battle of arnhem have continued in the netherlands today. this morning, continued in the netherlands today. this morning , veterans, today. this morning, veterans, armed forces personnel and the princess royal gathered at the oosterbeek war cemetery for the airborne memorial service, with the event closed by a fly—past from the battle of britain memorial flight. earlier, her royal highness princess anne gave a reading to mark the 80th anniversary of operation market garden. >> he that dwelleth in the secret place of the most high shall abide under the shadow of the almighty. i will say of the lord, he is my refuge and my fortress, my god, in him will i trust . trust. >> those are the latest headlines. for now, i'll be back with you for a full round up at 4:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to gbnews.com

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getting out of control? so for the great british debate, this this hour, i'm asking what do the lebanon page attacks mean for the middle east conflict? well, joining me now , well, joining me now, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, i almost forgot lizzie cundy. let's let's go to you. this this incredibly, targeted attack. i would say some people say it's indiscriminate. i think it was very discriminate attack on hezbollah operatives. >> it was unbelievable. i mean, it was quite something. it was something like you'd see in a movie really like a james bond thing. these. but it shows that the different sides of war and, and, and sadly, that's what we're in and we're witnessing. but it is quite frightening what, what you can do. i just couldn't believe it. it was unbelievable. and i just worry how we are going to. everyone keeps saying we need a ceasefire, we need a ceasefire, but how are we going to do this? how are we ever going to end

this war? it just seems to be escalating by the day. very frightening. perhaps as they hand back the hostages. >> and perhaps if hamas stopped firing the rockets over israel. danny kelly, do you know, when i heard this story, i thought i thought how terrible it was because i just imagined lots of other people having pages. >> and then i got a reality check and thought, no one has pages unless they're part of hezbollah. exactly. >> well, let's let's go live now to discuss these developments with the former. and mr uri kelly illegally here. he's sorry , kelly illegally here. he's sorry, rhymes with jelly, but it's not uri kelly, it's uri geller. uri, thank you so much for joining me. it's really to good talk to you. i finally met him in real life, which was an absolute honoun life, which was an absolute honour, you're back in israel now, talk to me, uri. tell me all about this. what's on your mind? >> okay, look, look, nana. first of all, it was amazing to meet you, too. what what has happened in this region in the past few daysis in this region in the past few days is unbelievable. hezbollah got the biggest shock ever. thousands of pagers and walkie

talkies exploded all at the same time, killing and maiming thousands of hezbollah terrorists. look, apparently, and this is very sad, two children were killed and that is a tragedy. but the blame for that lies with hezbollah. if you live as a terrorist, you are putting civilians at great risk. of course, there is only one intelligence agency which could have pulled off something like this and that is israel's mossad , this and that is israel's mossad, israel's mossad. look, nana, i cannot find the words to describe what a stunning , mind describe what a stunning, mind blowing, ingenious operation this was. if it is the mossad , this was. if it is the mossad, this was. if it is the mossad, this is one of the most incredible things it has ever done. this is a modern day version of the trojan horse . version of the trojan horse. nana. in one fell swoop, israel has knocked out thousands of terrorists and caused

pandemonium against hezbollah. look, nana, let's face it, it's hard to press a button to launch a terrorist rocket if you don't have hands or eyes. these people are now too afraid to even look. switch on an electric toothbrush and once more , i want to repeat and once more, i want to repeat this. if mossad blew up the pagers in lebanon, then this was a stunning masterpiece of ingentu. a stunning masterpiece of ingenuity . let a stunning masterpiece of ingenuity. let me a stunning masterpiece of ingenuity . let me continue now ingenuity. let me continue now on something totally different . on something totally different. many people, some people are pathetic people. they have said it's a war crime. come on nana, these people are not. i mean, do not know what they're talking about. this is a war crime. these devices were terrorist objects, period . israel is now objects, period. israel is now hitting hezbollah hard every day. just two days ago, we took out 15 hezbollah commanders in one attack, one attack. they were planning a murderous, i'll

repeat that, a murderous 7th of october style invasion of northern israel killing again civilians, babies , women. god civilians, babies, women. god knows. so do not feel sorry for any of them. but nana we assume the mossad planted bombs in the pages, but let me give you something to think about. and this might freak you out. when the cia was testing my psychic powers in the 70s, they wanted to see what i could do with the power of my mind. they wanted to know if i could stop the heart of a pig. they actually brought a pig of a pig. they actually brought a pig into the room. in the experimentation room, of course , experimentation room, of course, i refused. i'm also a vegan, but nana psychic warfare is a very real thing. no one knows how these pages were triggered all at once. come on, you hear what i'm saying? i can't say anything

more. what i can say is, i love you all. god bless you all. and positive energy from the holy land. >> uri geller, stay safe. those are the thoughts of the brilliant uri geller. so that's his view. but what's yours? gbnews.com/yoursay we'll be continuing the great british debate that discussion. do not go anywhere

all right, so it is time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking will the pages of mark of genius or a war crime? joining me now, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. okay. lizzie cundy, a lot of people saying it's a war crime. >> i think it's genius. it is. it is how they did this because they people died. it's terrible. but sadly in war, people die. that's it's tragic , but they are

that's it's tragic, but they are terrorists and that we can't forget what happened on the 7th of october. i you know, i've got a friend who was actually affected her friend's daughter was taken on that dreadful morning, and waking up to that news, you just couldn't believe it. and sadly, no, sadly not. and i, when it's right, she'll tell her story , but it is tell her story, but it is shocking. what what's gone on? i feel for i. you can't help. your heart goes out to gaza with all what's gone on because innocent and sadly innocent people get affected by war. that's what war is. >> but but okay, so. >> but but okay, so. >> but but okay, so. >> but the pages i have to say, because they were, you know, using their smart phones, thinking they were getting, you know, listened into it was very clever. they said, oh, use the pages. no one can trace us with these. and look what israel did . these. and look what israel did. it was genius. >> danny kelly, the ingenuity behind it is remarkable. >> yeah. and if it's a war crime, well, there'll be learned scholars who'll be able to define what a war crime is. so i

don't have that answer for you. >> in your view, would you? >> in your view, would you? >> well, if they targeted, as i said to you earlier, when i first heard that thousands of pages were exploding at the same time, obviously there was a phone call. there was some electronic message. bang, everything blows up. i thought that was awful in the sense that there'll be lots of other people walking around lebanon with these pages. then i thought to myself, nobody uses pages unless they're part of this group. and so my position changed dramatically and my position changed. well, look, if we take israel's word for it and mossad, the brains behind the operation. so we believe that the people who had a page. and why would you have a pager if you weren't in contact with the bosses of hezbollah? you'd only have a pager if they trusted you, and they will only trust you and give you a pager if you're part of that group. >> and they didn't trust the smart phones, so they didn't trust. >> that's because they could be tracked. >> and but if it is correct that israel actually made these, it's unbelievable how they did this. >> it's unbelievable the planning, the planning must have taken years. you got to buy a factory . you've got to put

factory. you've got to put someone in the factory. you've got to get explosives. i think it was hungary. >> was it bulgaria i think, wasn't it? it depends whether they were explosives in there or there was some other thing that activated it. >> and they don't quite know yet. oh, i thought it was military grade explosives, but if it was and some people were saying that it's in the lithium battery, but that hasn't been explained yet, then we need to be very afraid of electric cars. and i'm not saying that, you know, they'll they'll blow up, but they have been known to do that anyway. but they're safe at the moment. but the point is that if a device can be infiltrated like that through a lithium battery, then anything thatis lithium battery, then anything that is a lithium battery requires a lithium battery is a potential explosive. >> yeah, exactly. and i think we've got to look at this how the different you know, we think of war. we're thinking of like the ukraine, the military, you know, with guns. this is a different kind of war. the technology that's gone behind it, the ingenuity it is in some respects genius. >> it is. oh, it is genius. yeah yeah. >> so it's very sad that there's loss of life, but that sadly there is in every war. >> but lisa says here ingenious masterstroke . so some people

masterstroke. so some people think it's ingenious. i was listening to, i think it was. i'm pretty sure it was anneliese dodds saying, we'll send out aid to all those who've been affected and. da da da da da da da da. and of course you want to help people. but at the end of the day, if this is specifically targeted and it was a targeted attack at terrorists, then they're terrorists. yeah. most people who died were terrorists or who got injured or got hurt were terrorists. so they're in war. as much as i don't want death, i want the war to stop. this is the most targeted you could possibly be. otherwise, you're talking about a missile that could affect people who've got nothing to do with it. people who support the cause of israel and so on. this is targeting people who are carrying hezbollah patrons. >> yeah. and they have planned openly. they want the death of every jew. they've said that hezbollah, hezbollah, and it's , hezbollah, hezbollah, and it's, you know, this is war. this is the sad consequences of war. but this is a masterstroke. how israel have managed to do this , israel have managed to do this, israel have managed to do this, i it's unbelievable. >> if you think about it, my understanding is slightly different with the lithium. my understanding was that there were very small amounts of military grade explosives. my, my, my other understanding is

that there were thousands of pages. now, if you just take a moment to think about it, if the reports are correct that they came from a factory in eastern europe somewhere, i think you said bulgaria. my understanding is hungary. so they must have travelled over to hungary to implant these pages, knowing that they had the contract with hezbollah, knowing that hezbollah, knowing that hezbollah ordered because they couldn't just send them to like , couldn't just send them to like, curries on the high street, they couldn't get it wrong. they had to send them to hezbollah. so the amount of planning and the people involved with this, how did they know that hezbollah were going to order 2000 pages from a place in hungary at the same time, they actually impregnated the pages with eggs ? impregnated the pages with eggs? it's incredible. >> incredible. but they knew that they weren't trusting the smartphones and they were going to use the pages. but how they did this and then it was also lizzie, because they all went off at the same time. >> so someone must have again impregnated technology. that said, when we make a phone call and we give that page a specific message, it had to be a specific message, it had to be a specific message, otherwise they'd have been blown up months before. >> hezbollah and hamas are

terrorists. all right. >> well, lots of people have been getting in touch. catherine said. well, miss cundy, we are not going to get a ceasefire with terrorists. and i think she makes a good point there, catherine, because catherine is making a good point that any reasonable person would probably say yes. time for a ceasefire. but these aren't reasonable, reasonable people, are they ? reasonable people, are they? >> we could have a ceasefire right now if hamas gave back the terrorists and hostages and, and gave up their arms , but they are gave up their arms, but they are not willing to do that. and there was a ceasefire up until there was a ceasefire up until the 7th of october. they decided to do what they did. right. >> well, benny says, when terrorists start complaining about you, you know you're doing something right. about you, you know you're doing something right . terrorists are complaining. >> did uri geller say that they've just stopped another copycat? october the 7th in northern israel. what he said, is that right? >> he said they've just stopped another going to fly over again and start massacring people. i don't know, but that's his information. obviously we can't verify that, but those are his views. and he he is there. >> he's there. yeah. >> he's there. yeah. >> catherine says go israel. more of this, please. tony says i'm sure atwal as a registered agency, this is about jazz atwal

after 18 properties in order to take deposits and rents. if the tenants were on benefits, the council would have been paying. so how does that work? no inspections . oh, doesn't sound inspections. oh, doesn't sound right to me, richard says paige was brilliant. wonderful. what an audacious , spectacular way to an audacious, spectacular way to neutralise a ferocious terrorist enemy. and then grumpy granddad says, i think israel got it right on this occasion . they right on this occasion. they can't call. call it a war crime. could you imagine if they used the missiles and bombs to take the missiles and bombs to take the same out, same people out? thousands of innocent people would have been killed. the only people that are these pages were unked people that are these pages were linked to terrorists, and that's why they had them. yes. it's really sad. two kids were killed, but it could have been so much worse. yeah. that's true. >> it's very true , actually. >> it's very true, actually. >> it's very true, actually. >> and that's a balanced response. >> look, sadly , in war, innocent >> look, sadly, in war, innocent people die. and that is the tragedy of war. yeah. >> so the two young kids, they must have been like children of the terrorists or something near the terrorists or something near the pages, or i think one was bringing the pager to her dad or something.

>> so it's really sad. but again, it's not a carpet bomb of lots of people. it's a targeted attack. and i, you know, i don't think you could israel i do believe, have done everything they can to try and minimise casualties that in my view, but there are obviously horrors with war. >> it is affecting us as well, because i was talking to paul, who works for the royal mail, who works for the royal mail, who put stuff on aircraft and they're not allowing pages on aircraft. certain airlines. oh. >> all right, well, listen, next, my monologue on angela raynen next, my monologue on angela rayner. yes. my thoughts on. well, in my view, actions speak louder than words. she's saying all the right things. but will they actually follow through with proper, precise action? this is gb news. let's get an update with your . weather. update with your. weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello there. good afternoon. welcome to your gb news. weather forecast provided by the met office. quite an unsettled few days to come for many of us with

some heavy rain around. we've already seen some of that over the course of this afternoon, with low pressure moving into southern areas of the uk. that's feeding in those heavy pulses, even some thunderstorms around hail continuing on as we head into the first part of this evening, there is a rain warning in force to the rest of today for wales central southern areas of england. so do continue to take care. it is a little bit dner take care. it is a little bit drier further towards the north, but quite cloudy across eastern coastal areas. that cloud beginning to move its way further inland. but we'll hold on to a few clear spells for parts of northwestern scotland, and it could turn a little bit chilly here, but otherwise quite a mild night elsewhere. 15 or 16 c as the lows for many of us, an amber weather warning then comes into force at 5:00 tomorrow morning. we could see some particularly potentially very heavy rain. so do take care as you head out first thing on monday morning, particularly across parts of wales into the central region, parts of lincolnshire and yorkshire as well. a few sunny spells trying to break through for parts of eastern northern ireland into western scotland. but generally it will be a cloudier start to the day here compared to some

recent days. we start to see some patchy rain moving into the far north of scotland as well. that will slowly push its way southwards during the course of the day, but the real focus for that heavy rain is those central regions again, the amber weather warning in force for lincolnshire into the midlands areas where there could be some localised flooding and disruption over the course of the day. still, we'll see temperatures climb to around 20 c across the far south if we see some sunshine breaking its way through, but generally temperatures around 13 to 15 c in the north, this rain will gradually move its way off towards the north sea. as we head throughout the end of monday and into towards tuesday, but things generally are set to remain fairly unsettled as we head over the course of the next coming week, with further rain and strong winds at times, and things will also be turning cooler for all of us, with temperatures dropping below average for the time of year by the end. by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb

>> well . >> well. >> well. >> hello. good afternoon and welcome to gb news. we're live on tv , online and on digital on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's yours. it's mine, and of course it's theirs. the panellists joining me today in the next two hours, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, also broadcaster and author lizzie cundy on today's show . hang on author lizzie cundy on today's show. hang on a minute. on today's show, we'll be discussing lots of things. i forgot me on today's show, the labour party kick off with their conference in liverpool. deputy prime minister angela rayner delivered a keynote speech, fighting back tears as she took to the stage amid her party freebies to the tory leadership race, where former immigration minister robert jenrick has revealed dozens of terror

suspects have crossed the channelin suspects have crossed the channel in small boats . i want channel in small boats. i want to know, would you? what would a tory deal with reform save the conservatives? and for the interview , ex—gangster turned interview, ex—gangster turned ceo stephen gillan wants one of the uk's most wanted london gang members now determined to help others to avoid going down the same path. all of that coming up. but first, let's get your latest news with sam francis . latest news with sam francis. >> nana, thank you very much. and good afternoon to you. just coming up to two minutes past for the top story. we start in liverpool, where the deputy prime minister has said now is labour's moment as she took to the stage at the party's annual conference, pledging to bolster workers rights to create high quality homes and strengthen communities. angela rayner outlined those plans in her opening speech in liverpool this morning, but it comes as the party is still mired in a row over gifts to senior mps and questions about the prime minister's chief of staff .

minister's chief of staff. >> there will be no complacency. we've seen where that leads. don't forget what they did partygate, covid contracts, the lies division, scapegoating and the unfunded tax cuts for the richest that crashed our economy. don't forget any of it . economy. don't forget any of it. the tories failed britain and they tried to cover it up. a crater in the heart of britain's economy. a puncture in the pocket of every working family and a £22 billion black hole . and a £22 billion black hole. >> it could also be trouble for sir keir starmer elsewhere in the uk, as the snp's westminster leader, stephen flynn, has said that the new prime minister is failing to deliver on the change. he promised scotland in the general election. he claims that despite the snp being willing to work with labour, the sir keir is completely out of touch with scotland and the issues the country faces. it

comes after the prime minister's already faced criticism over cuts to the winter fuel allowance and his acceptance of clothing donations. well, earlier, our scotland reporter tony maguire asked the people of glasgow if they feel sir keir is delivering in three months, give or take, this labour government. >> how do you think they are performing for scotland ? performing for scotland? >> one out of ten. really? yeah again, i'm a pensioner. they've taken my winter fuel allowance andifs taken my winter fuel allowance and it's wrong . and it's wrong. >> i had high hopes for keir starmer and now it's all gone . starmer and now it's all gone. >> has there been any? i haven't really noticed much, to be honest. >> i'm ashamed to say i'm a glaswegian, really, when i see the state of the place and i've watched 13 years of snp, we're in big, big trouble. well, no, no, we might be in trouble now with the labour run, i don't know. just a matter of wait and see. >> elsewhere in politics, reform leaders, reform leader nigel farage sat down with gb news

political editor chris hope at their party conference yesterday. speaking on chopper's political podcast. mr farage said in order for reform to make an impact at the local elections next may, the party will have to complete ten years of evolution in the next six months. however, that hasn't stopped him from setting quite the target . setting quite the target. >> we've got enough people to have 2300 candidates. the question is, are they the right 2300 candidates? because we will be held to a higher standard than everybody else. and i'm aiming in those elections to win hundreds of seats, and you can catch the full interview there with nigel farage. >> wherever you get your podcasts. just search for chopper's political podcast. 31 people have been arrested in a nationwide home office crackdown on people smuggling gangs. the three day operation involving the national crime agency, police and international partners targeted locations including belfast, liverpool and luton. during those raids, over £400,000 of criminal cash and

ten fraudulent identity documents were seized. that was dunng documents were seized. that was during checks at ports, at airports and road networks. minister for border security dame angela eagle says the government is cracking down on criminal gangs , exploiting criminal gangs, exploiting vulnerable people, risking lives and, she says, profiting from despair . just a quick breaking despair. just a quick breaking line from greater manchester police. we're hearing that a second man has been arrested. over what? police? there are saying is a shocking kidnap of an 87 year old man in oldham. the pensioner was reportedly dragged into a black car , dragged into a black car, attacked and then dumped miles from his home, leading to serious injuries. police say he found help by knocking on a door after the ordeal. two men, aged 24 and 39, have been arrested on suspicion of kidnap. one of them has already been released on bail. detectives are now urging the to public provide any footage that could help solve the case. turning to the us and it's been reported that four people have been killed, dozens

of others left wounded in a mass shooting in alabama. the birmingham police department have said the attack took place in five points south. the area , in five points south. the area, around 11:00 last night. authorities also believe that multiple shooters were involved, but no arrests have yet been made, according to local media. responding officers found multiple victims at the scene. three sadly were pronounced dead and a fourth later died in hospital . in the and a fourth later died in hospital. in the middle east, the foreign secretary has said there needs to be an immediate ceasefire between israel and hezbollah. that's following what he's described as a worrying escalation. david lammy says the ongoing hostilities are in nobody's interest and has advised british nationals in lebanon to now leave. it comes as hezbollah's deputy leader said the terror group is now in an open ended battle of reckoning with israel. and he made those comments during a funeral for a top commander who was killed in an israeli strike on friday. and finally, some brighter news. they've always

been there for . brighter news. they've always been there for. us. brighter news. they've always been there for . us. well, that's been there for. us. well, that's for the past three decades, at least, as today marks the 30th birthday of one of the most iconic series of all time . yes, iconic series of all time. yes, it is, friends. the show premiered for the first time back in the us in 1994, fast becoming one of nbc's most watched programs and lasting for ten series. i would say i remember the launch of friends, but i was just being born in 1994. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'll be back with you in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> hello. good afternoon. if you just tuned in, where have you been? welcome. seven minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on

digital radio. i'm nana akua now. this morning, deputy prime minister angela rayner spoke. really eloquently about how change now begins alex batty the discipline to make hard decisions and the determination to remain united and now change begins . begins. >> even now, especially now, there will be no complacency. we have seen where that leads. don't forget what they did partygate, covid contracts, the lies divisions , scapegoating and lies divisions, scapegoating and the unfunded tax cuts for the richest that crashed our economy. don't forget any of it. the tories failed britain and they tried to cover it up. a crater in the heart of britain's economy, a punter in the pocket

of every working family and a £22 billion black hole. and not right. >> she then makes a joke about kemi badenoch and david tennant, not conference at least after three months of shadow housing secretary she's finally expressed a concern about a tenant. >> it's just a pity it's david tennant . tennant. >> haha very funny. it wasn't, wasn't he ? david tennant wishing wasn't he? david tennant wishing for a world where kemi badenoch didn't exist? angela rayner claimed change has begun. >> no more talking, but doing 80 days in government and we've been busy. a devolution revolution , a bill to deliver revolution, a bill to deliver new rights and protections for renters, planning reform to get britain building, a landmark review to fix our nhs, a child poverty taskforce , a hundred new poverty taskforce, a hundred new specialist officers to tackle criminals and end to one word

ofsted inspections ending the ban on onshore wind and fines for bosses who pollute our waters. bills to kick start great british energy and to prevent another liz truss disastrous mini—budget. put busesin disastrous mini—budget. put buses in local hands and bring rail into public ownership. conference change has begun . conference change has begun. >> yep, a raid on private schools stripping our poorest pensioners of their winter fuel allowance . people selling up in allowance. people selling up in fear of rachel reeves budget in october, investors leaving in their droves and debt to gdp at 100%. which wasn't which. it wasn't 80 days ago. she talks about homelessness and her renters bill long term plan for free leaseholders from the tyranny of a medieval system and a cross government task force will put britain back on track to ending homelessness. >> whether you're a leaseholder attendant, a home buyer or without somewhere to live, this government . government. >> so how are they going to do that ?

that? >> this is why today i want to give you my promise that this labour government will take action to ensure that all homes are decent and safe, and residents are treated with the respect that they deserve. and conference, of course , many conference, of course, many housing associations, councils and landlords do good by their tenants and i know how hard they've had it. after 14 years under the tories, which is why i will work in partnership with the sector to deliver the change. >> okay, well what about jazz? well, i know i've been banging on about it for a while. whilst this is all very nice, angela and you speak a lot of sense on many subjects. actions speak louder than words. jazz. the mp for ilford south. we've been talking about it. the biggest landlord in the commons with 15 properties when he was head of the council, he set up a licensing scheme for all landlords. but unfortunately he didn't bother getting licences for all of his properties will clamp down on damp and mouldy homes by bringing arab law into the social rented sector this autumn, and will extend it to

the private rented sector to okay again, what are you going to do about jazz ? well, if to do about jazz? well, if you're that bothered about mouldy homes and all of that, the labour mp jazz archewell has not yet been punished for mouldy and infested properties. now i'm not sure how angela can say all of that in her speech with a straight face. they haven't even removed the whip from this mp. he's still a labour mp and has received no real punishment whatsoever. and now an issue with the nurseries that he owns. if they really want us to take them seriously. actions speak louder than words . right? so louder than words. right? so before we get stuck into the debates, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this out. i'm asking should rachel reeves upcoming budget scrap foreign aid to fill the black hole? it's the big question of not just the current conservative leadership election, but also the next general election. can the tories deal with nigel farage? so the great british debate i'm asking,

would a tory deal with reform save the conservative party? and for the interview, i'll be joined by ex—gangster turned ceo stephen gillan, once one of the uk's most wanted london gang members, now determined to help others avoid going down a criminal path, will be talking about labour's early prison release scheme as well. within all of that coming up, as ever, don't forget to send me your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . so with the gbnews.com/yoursay. so with the labour party conference in liverpool well underway and with accusations of turmoil in number 10 and the sleaze row just won't go away, what must sir keir starmer do over the next few days to ease the minds of supporters? well, joining me now live from liverpool is gb news tom harwood tom so how is the conference going? is there a positive energy ful vibe there ? positive energy ful vibe there? >> yeah, it's interesting isn't

it? nana that the party has won a massive and handsome electoral victory just two months ago? but of course there is some scandal thatis of course there is some scandal that is miring the background of this conference. the person who is in all of the all of the papers at the moment, sue gray, the chief of staff to the prime minister, hasn't turned up to this conference. perhaps a wise move to stay away. and i have to say, we've all just been rained on pretty heavily. i've only just sort of dried off to be able to come back in here and clean up. but that aside, there has been some substantive work going on at this conference. one of the speeches earlier, of course, was from the foreign secretary, david lammy, to so to discuss it now, i'm delighted to be joined by someone from the labour foreign policy group. yes, delighted to be joined right here in the studio. let's talk straight away about what the challenge is for david lammy, because this is a very difficult issue , particularly

difficult issue, particularly with regards to the middle east. and labour has a balancing act to perform. >> exactly. and i think that that's very right. but we have to remember that labour came into power only a few months ago, and so they're just trying to get their feet sort of under the table. and as we can see, david lammy has been not only to europe but to the us and also to the region. and he's trying to do this diplomatic outreach to try and make people understand that britain's back in business, especially when it comes to diplomacy. >> there's a very difficult issue, though , with regard to issue, though, with regard to what is going on with this, this sort of halfway house of preventing arms sales to israel, some arms sales being withdrawn, but not all of them. it runs the risk of irritating both sides of that debate. >> i mean, i think with arms sales that goes back to our human rights laws and if anything violates our human rights laws, those are the decisions that the government has to take by law, because we are signed up to these

conventions on the international stage and therefore we have to follow those. and yes, it's a balancing act. you're not going to make everyone happy. but i think that that means that you're doing something right. if both sides are sort of angry at you , does it? you, does it? >> does it really is it the place of britain to try and solve this issue? do we have that influence in the middle east? of course, a hundred years ago we ran the place, but not so much. now i think, you know, if we look at our history, we should realise that we have a responsibility to that history. >> and people actually look to britain now for answers and solutions. britain is a leader on the global stage , and i think on the global stage, and i think that it plays a really important role. and i think that we are able to do that. with david lammy as foreign secretary and the wider foreign office team, you know, you have hamish faulkner, who's the new middle east and north africa minister with a lot of experience in the foreign office and who understands these issues. so i think that we're to talking people that understand these issues, not just from ground communities, but also from their

own professional experience pnor own professional experience prior to government. >> and it is it is, of course, a vital, vital relationship that between the united states and the united kingdom. david lammy has been over to the states. he's been over to ukraine with antony blinken, the secretary of state. and yet behind the scenes , state. and yet behind the scenes, we've heard a lot of briefing that the relationship isn't potentially as strong, especially with regard to this blind site that the americans felt over the arms sales restrictions . how is the restrictions. how is the american relationship playing out? >> i mean, i don't think that there is any difficulty in that relationship. i think we'll have to wait and see what happens in the us elections to try and renew any type of forward facing policy, especially when it comes to the middle east. but i think these briefings are from disgruntled individuals who probably don't want to see britain at its best. >> there is, of course, a lot of rumour about david lammy's place in the in the cabinet. should donald trump win in the united states in november , might he not

states in november, might he not be foreign secretary for that long? or what do you make of those rumours? >> no, i mean, look at what j.d. vance has said about donald trump. the fact that donald trump. the fact that donald trump can pick someone as his vice president who actually said horrible things about him. i don't think we have anything to worry. and i think david lammy will be foreign secretary for the foreseeable future . the foreseeable future. >> whether or not trump is president, whether or not trump is president, it's going to be difficult for the labour party to try and make that relationship work. if, of course , relationship work. if, of course, the republicans regain the presidency, a lot of people on the frontbench, a lot of people in the cabinet have had some pretty choice words to say and were were pretty disparaging of the previous government when they tried to work with a trump presidency. would there be some humble pie to be eaten if the shoe was on the other foot? >> well, i think that regardless, this is a choice for the american people, whoever they vote in as president, the united kingdom will have to work with them. and i think that the foreign office and the foreign secretary will do its best to

try and make that relationship work, even if there have been difficult things said in the past. i think that we're looking to the future and we're moving forward, you know, change in action and just finally, how have you felt the mood of this conference to be? >> of course, the labour party is in government. it's the largest parliamentary majority in decades . and yet there's in decades. and yet there's quite a bit of scandal, quite a bit of negative press. >> i mean, aside from the negative press, i think those briefings, i really i think most people are ignoring them. i think the people here are really serious about getting things done.i serious about getting things done. i mean, as a local councillor and also someone who runs an organisation, the labour foreign policy group, we're paying foreign policy group, we're paying on a range of events, having a range of discussions around foreign policy. we're looking for action and we're hoping that that action is delivered by our ministers, our new ministers. delivered by our ministers, our new ministers . and i don't think new ministers. and i don't think that we're really paying attention to any of the negative briefing. i think now we're just we want we want that the results delivered on the ground, well, people are sad. >> labour councillor and indeed,

chair, chair of the labour foreign policy group, thank you so much forjoining us here on gb news. back to you nana. >> ivana assad, thank you very much. right. well, stay with me. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is a gb news. we're live on tv , online and on digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. next it's time for the great british this out. and i'm asking, should rachel reeves budget scrap foreign aid to

good afternoon. if you've just tuned in, welcome , nana raisi tuned in, welcome, nana raisi here. i'm not being horrible. if you just tuned in. where have you just tuned in. where have you been? i couldn't resist. 23 minutes after 4:00. when? live on tv, online and on digital radio. this is gb news. now it's time for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking should rachel reeves budget scrap foreign aid to fill the black hole or part of it at least the uk so far has spent

12.8 billion to ukraine, 7.8 billion in military support and 5 billion in non—military support. but international charities have warned the uk that uk aid spending will fall to its lowest level since two thousand and seven, unless the government takes urgent action in next month's budget . but more in next month's budget. but more is expected to be a cost cutting budget for the great british debate. i'm asking you , perhaps debate. i'm asking you, perhaps they could cut these costs and maybe scrap foreign aid to help fill that black hole. well, joining me now, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and also broadcaster and commentator lizzie cundy, you've turned into a commentator. now i'm going to start with you danny kelly. >> yeah . it's easy to be >> yeah. it's easy to be critical of how foreign aid is spent. i have three examples, and there are always these examples that may make people stand up and think about, oh, should we chinese opera. we funded a chinese opera about ten years ago. cycle lanes in mexico road schemes in malaysia. there's also an argument that the more money you throw at

poverty, the less inclined they are to generate their own wealth. and if you think about it, that that is fairly logical. we're also chucking millions and billions of pounds at some of the most corrupt regimes on planet earth. and we mustn't shy away from being being truthful with that. there's been documented cases where prime ministers have pocketed millions of pounds in foreign aid . so of pounds in foreign aid. so when you are looking at so many billion pounds and then we look at our pensioners at £1.4 billion pensioners, we are thinking to ourselves, why don't we just look after our pensioners, some of the most, some of the most vulnerable people in society currently foreign aid. >> so foreign aid is about 7.2 billion and 2 billion of that is spent on housing. the migrants and stuff like that. so we've used. >> that's right. exactly. domestically. listen, starmer, stop acting like jack the lad in your freebie suit . your freebie suit. >> you need to look at this and look at this properly. it needs a total rehaul this, first of all, the big black hole, the 22 billion black hole. i don't

believe it. i want to know the evidence. i want to see the facts of this. the details rachel reeves refused to do that. we haven't had any details of it. i don't believe there is this this huge 22 billion black hole that they've decided their political choice to favour the unions and give as much as they wanted with no no strings attached and no. but their argument is that the reason they've done that is because it was cheaper to actually pay off the demand, rather than the billions being spent, which was being spent with people not working and being lost in the economy. i don't agree with that, because with that, you're going to get everyone else coming out of the woodwork wanting their bit. if they're getting it, we want it. and for them to do this to our own pensioners who've worked hard all their lives, i think it's disgraceful that my mum has got to do a coffee morning to raise money for some of her friends that are so frightened of this coming winter months. this is what this government is doing, and i think it's a disgrace. so

starmer, getting all your freebies and everything else, get with the real world and look what's going on because it's hypocritical. >> but their argument is your mum is one of those millionaire pensioners in their minds, possibly property rich or whatever. that's how they're seeing it. and they, they, in their view, as my understanding is that these people have quite broad shoulders. >> you see, that is misleading because people may live in properties worth half £1 million or £1 million because properties have gone up exponentially. but that doesn't mean that they've got ten grand in their bank. older people. and i'm sorry to just generalise about older people. i've my beloved 91 year old father, who is one of your many number one fans, will be watching this and my 82 year old mother will be glued to the television now. they won't miss the £300, but some of the people down their street may be too proud to ask their kids. they may say, because older people, and i'm speaking generally, generally, and it's probably a negative stereotype, but the older you get, the less likely you are to ask for help, because that generation was a proud generation, of course. >> exactly. and how can they justify giving what they're giving to foreign like the

climate crisis overseas is 11.3 billion. you know , foreign aid, billion. you know, foreign aid, 9 billion. it's, you know, the first order of any government is to look after your own people. its own people. they are not doing that. and i think it's disgraceful what they're doing to the pensioners . and, you to the pensioners. and, you know, you know, that pensioners are going to worry, you know, they feel the cold more and you know , this wonderful channel know, this wonderful channel here has had to do their own funding to help them. you know what is going on. and yet they he it's they are the they can preach and what, what upsets me with starmer what he did if you remember with boris he talked about elsie on the bus going around to keep warm. i don't even want to remember about it. and you know what? he's forgotten about elsie. >> he's not forgotten about elsie. but perhaps he could give elsie. but perhaps he could give elsie some of the clothes that he's got so elsie can keep warm, and rachel reeves can do the same, because she got about 7500 pounds worth of clothing to address your question about foreign aid, i would be an advocate of them chiselling away £1.4 billion of foreign aid and

to reinstate the pensioners £300. >> yeah, that's what that's what i would support, so that you still give a chunk of dough. i'm worried about some of the corrupt countries and the money and who funnels it here. left, right , wherever. that worries right, wherever. that worries me. yeah, but but our pensioners need it. >> well, well, the problem we have here and my issue with this whole foreign aid thing is that, our gdp to debt ratio is 100%. so when the labour party got into power, it was about 97%, but now it's 100%. so what we are making and also what we are spending is equal. so there is nothing left. there is no free money. so my point here is that we can't afford it. the country is broke. so i don't see why. if i were broke, i wouldn't be giving out to people elsewhere. so i think we need to apply logic to this and look after the people in this country. and i'm i'm i'm incandescent. incandescent with rage. as you can see, i can barely speak when it comes to the pensioners and the winter fuel allowance. i totally agree with you, nana. >> and as i said, the first

order of any government is to look after its own people. why are they giving out these huge amounts as you said, to, to countries like china? it does not make sense. and this government, i really sadly believe they don't know what they're doing and they're out of debt. >> well, well, you know , we >> well, well, you know, we shall see how they go on. they've only been on for about 80 days and it's a disastrous start now. but a lot of people are saying there are still supporters within the labour party and around the labour party and around the labour party who feel that they're doing a good job. yeah. and there are some people who believe that lots of the pensioners are wealthy enough and that that that should be taken into account and that perhaps it should be means tested. >> i think the overall consensus is that they've shot themselves in the foot with this pensioner thing. correct. that's the overall consensus. yes. there are a million millionaires who don't need the £300. my mum and dad aren't millionaires, but they don't need the £300. but there'll be people down their street that are desperately short of dough. >> exactly. and there'll be a lot of their members there today at the conference that will not be agreeing with them. and he's very, very quiet. keir starmer, he's not he's not parading and doing a lot of interviews. >> he will be soon. he will be

speaking soon at that conference. i don't think it's today, but we'll obviously keep you up to date, up to date with all of the action there. so it's coming up to 31 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, it's the big question of not just the current conservative leadership election, but the next general election. can the tories deal with nigel farage first? so let's get your latest news headunes let's get your latest news headlines with sam francis . headlines with sam francis. >> very good afternoon to you. it's just coming up to 4:32. the top story. we start in liverpool where labour needs to break the cycle of chaos. according to the party's outgoing general secretary. speaking at the party's conference in liverpool, david evans said labour must never lose touch with voters following its general election victory. it comes, though, as questions mount for sir keir starmer following an observer poll which has found he's now less popular than rishi sunak,

with his personal rating dropping by 45 points. earlier, education secretary bridget phillipson has defended the prime minister and the government's plans to make meaningful change. >> it feels at the minute that really a lot isn't working in our country. we are determined this week here in liverpool to talk about the change that we're delivering on that will make a difference. that will bring some hope and optimism back. but absolutely fixing the foundations of our economy , foundations of our economy, stabilising our economy is absolutely crucial because everything else has to flow from that. >> 31 people have been arrested in a nationwide home office crackdown on people smuggling gangs. crackdown on people smuggling gangs . that three day operation, gangs. that three day operation, involving the national crime agency , police and international agency, police and international partners targeted locations including belfast, liverpool and luton. over £400,000 of criminal cash and ten fraudulent identity documents were seized during checks at ports , airports and checks at ports, airports and road networks. minister for border security dame angela eagle says the government is cracking down on criminal gangs,

exploiting vulnerable people, risking lives. and, she says, profiting from despair . a second profiting from despair. a second man has been arrested this afternoon over what police are describing as the shocking kidnap of an 87 year old man in oldham. the pensioner was dragged into a black car, attacked and then dumped miles from his home, suffering serious injuries. greater manchester police say he did find help by eventually knocking on a door after that incident . two men, after that incident. two men, aged 24 and 39, have been arrested on suspicion of kidnap, with one already released on bail. and finally, we end with some news from the middle east. the foreign secretary says there needs to be an immediate ceasefire between israel and hezbollah, following what he's described as a worrying escalation. david lammy says the ongoing hostilities are in nobody's interest, as he's advised british nationals to leave lebanon now. it comes as hezbollah's deputy leader has said the terror group is now in an open ended battle of reckoning with israel. he made those comments during a funeral

for a top commander killed in an israeli strike on friday. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'll be back with you for now. i'll be back with you for a full round up on all the top stories at 5:00. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash

>> it does. good afternoon. >> it does. good afternoon. >> 37 minutes after 4:00. welcome. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. we're live on tv , online and on live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's digital radio. i'm nana akua and wsfime digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, would a tory deal with reforms save the conservatives? it's the big question of not just the current conservative leadership election, but also the next general election . so

the next general election. so can the tories deal with farage? those looking at the results from july's general election and the current opinion polls, will speculate about the dramatic change. if the conservatives and reform party shares are added together. now this includes those on the right fearing the damage labour could do over two two terms in government. i don't think they're going to get two terms, not at this rate. so for the great british debate, this and good luck with that. i'm not being rude, but i mean all the disaster so far, i mean maybe they can change the game, but right now. so i'm asking would a tory deal with reform save the conservatives. well, joining me to discuss this is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, also broadcaster and author lizzie cundy. lizzie cundy. >> let me tell you , nigel would >> let me tell you, nigel would not want to go and do any deal with the tories. they are toast and what they have done, they've lied to the electorate. they absolutely shambolically messed it up. >> well, what did they lie about? >> oh , they've they've lied >> oh, they've they've lied about so many things. i don't know where to start from. you

know, there's so many things nana that they lied about. know, there's so many things nana that they lied about . they nana that they lied about. they weren't true. they never did brexit properly, you know, they they they said they would. that was another lie. boris was far more liberal. he's never been a proper tory. and they became the sort of lib dem party. they forgot their roots. they forgot what conservatism was about. and they let those two tory voters down in so many ways. and we had the biggest, highest tax since the biggest, highest tax since the second world war. >> do you blame them for the way brexit has turned out? do you feel that they've failed ? feel that they've failed? >> they failed totally. and nigel, quite rightly feels totally betrayed and let down. now, nigel, you would know from being at the reform conference, it's full of energy , positivity. it's full of energy, positivity. this is like a new beginning. yeah, okay. who can say five mps? it's a long way to go. but as nigel said , anything is as nigel said, anything is possible. they can do this and i really do believe they can. the

demographic has changed and people are disillusioned with both parties and the beginning. this labour party has had is atrocious. >> well, the point that you make is it is only the beginning. so they've still got at least four years and, and 11 months and counting. or is it ten months and counting before the next general election if they take it to the wire? that's right. >> yeah. i don't think i think nigel farage. i think they're splitting the conservative vote. the centre right votes , they're the centre right votes, they're going to split them. they're going to split them. they're going to split it in four and a half, five years time. i think farage would do a deal with the conservatives as long as things change dramatically. you know, he's terribly he feels just like you were incandescent earlier. he's incandescent about immigration. so we haven't clamped down on on worldwide immigration clamp down on eastern european immigration. that's been replaced by immigration from all around the world. i think if they've got 4 million votes. so they need proportional representation. i believe. but i think that they're still a fringe party. i still think that they're the new kids on the block. and there

will be some dyed in the wool conservative households who will still continue to vote for conservative and farage farage is splitting that vote. so i think he needs to come to the conservatives or they need to pull out, which they're not going to do. >> so you don't. so you actually believe that there's a split vote and people very much so. do you not perhaps think that people watched the performance of the tory party and decided that they could not vote for them even? yeah, and it wasn't because of the split of vote, but actually because i think it's quite generous. yeah. you're right. but the point was that their policies and their behaviour and their lizzie feels they lied. a lot of people feel they lied. a lot of people feel they didn't say what they were going to do, and do what they said they would, would do, but they got a lot more than 4 million votes. >> reform got 4 million votes. the conservatives got a lot more. i don't know how many more, but they got like 7 million, i think. okay, so there you go. >> so there's potentially got less but more seats. >> correct. so let's just say there's potentially 11 million right wing centre right voters. and nigel farage is going to continue to split that vote in five years time. >> but you're working on the assumption that people who vote reform come from the right. and

actually a lot of people who for vote from labour come from the labour party. >> actually, i know and, you know, the biggest threat to labouris know, the biggest threat to labour is reform. and they are, you know , labour, what they're you know, labour, what they're doing at the minute it's going terribly wrong. and, you know, from all this you know, the donors, all the all their gifts, they've not addressed the elephant in the room. are they going to at this conference. all right . right. >> well, we'll come to the gifts in just a moment, but this show is nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. right. let's wish we go. let's go to cornwall. let's have a chat with jonathan jones. jonathan jones, we've missed you. oh, hang on. hi, nana. >> i've got my tea, but i'm out on the north coast of cornwall with farmers. you can only grow tea on the river on the south coast of cornwall. but i've got my fact book with me, and i can tell you that lizzie's right. there's going to be tea and toast in abundance coming up, because there's 272 tea companies in this country , companies in this country, according to plimsoll. and unless this government wakes up

to what needs to be done to supporting small businesses. and look, the tories didn't do a much betterjob. i think nigel farage really understands a lot of small businesses in a way that most other just of small businesses in a way that most otherjust don't. they that most other just don't. they don't understand what this country needs to, to make money and to, you know , get people and to, you know, get people moving again. >> do you think that what needs to happen is that the, the reform and tory party in some respects need to reunite to join up the right vote? >> look, i think lizzie's right on that, i think. or what you were saying is that they probably will end up talking. they're going to end up talking. but it's not just tory voters that are moving to reform. it's labour as well, isn't it? so i think what is great is to have a voice of common sense. and nigel told me once i gave him the most british tea in history, and i said, what do you think of that? and he says, priti average, which is pretty much an insult, but from nigel, i took it as a compliment because he tells you exactly how it is, isn't it? he's a really straight talking guy and that's what everyone

loves about him. >> all right, well, thank you very much. lovely to see you, jonathan jones. and you too, jonathan jones. and you too, jonathan jones. and you too, jonathan jones. he's there in cornwall. he's our great british voice well, you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking , should the labour hand back donations and gifts from donors

good afternoon. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. don't forget as well. you can stream the show live on youtube. right. so it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should the labour party hand back donations and gifts from donors? now, deputy prime minister angela rayner has defended accepting gifts and donations from a labour donors, insisting that she has been open and transparent about the process. that's not quite the point,

though, is it? angela acknowledged public frustration over political donations but defended her actions , saying defended her actions, saying that such contributions have long been part of british politics and stressing the importance of teamwork and pragmatic negotiation to achieve labour's goals. that's literally got nothing to do with accepting clothes from donors, though, has it? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should the labour party actually hand back donations and gifts of this nature from donors? so not obviously financial donations given to the party that all the others accept. but i'm talking about individual sort of personal donations that people are given, like clothing and all that kind of stuff. well, joining me now is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. >> danny, i don't think first of all, i don't think they can be taught about spectacles and suits and dresses and i understand the principle behind your question, but i don't think that they should because that is a way of almost absolving them of their sins. a way of almost absolving them of their sins . and i think out of their sins. and i think out of their sins. and i think out of principle, they should keep them. they've made their bed. they should lie in their bed

with the free spectacles, with the two and a half grand savile row suits. if that's where it came from with his wife's dresses, by giving them them back, it's almost like, first of all, they'll never do that because then that would be an acceptance of guilt that they've done something wrong . but i done something wrong. but i don't think they should anyway. if i if it was me and i wanted to give them back, i would feel more punished if the donor said, no, i'm not taking it back. or if social consensus was, no, you don't give it back, you keep them. how about they give them to some sort of charitable organisation or spectacles or suits? >> yeah. well, so what i look like and i said this, i could do with some i said this to my other panellist the other day, if you came here, danny with 12 red roses and you brought me gifts every week, that could be seen as sort of bribes to sort of keep me keep in favour with me. that's right. and i think this is how this comes across lizzie cundy yeah, well rayner has stated, hasn't she, that she's not going to accept any more of these free gifts and judging by her outfit today, i can see she's doing that also.

>> oh, what a great line , >> oh, what a great line, >> oh, what a great line, >> no. truthfully though, i actually think they should give back every single item. and i'll tell you why. because they were sitting there preaching, being so moralising over boris about wallpaper. you know, you name it, anything. they would go on and on and on, you know, that they could do no wrong. you know, being this moralising class warriors and they themselves are accepting over £100,000 worth of gifts. gifts. and you're saying you don't want anything in return. they're going to have to give something in return. and let me tell you his portfolio. starmer, he's got 7.7 million. and him and his wife lady starmer have over i think it's £200,000. look come on. >> on. >> but the story would go away if they returned the spectacles or the value of the spectacles or the value of the spectacles or the value of the dress, because you can't give someone a

pair of someone else's prescription glasses because what are they going to do with them? well, they could go. >> they could give it to charity. but a pair of glasses? obscene. yes why? taylor swift it's not worth anything if you're a fan or not. you went. they went to taylor swift . top they went to taylor swift. top seats. and how are they going to give that back ? twice they went give that back? twice they went twice. they could have given that to a charity. someone would its constituency. aren't mps supposed to look after their constituents? i agree, but how are you going to give back, not give that? >> how are you going to give back tickets to a taylor swift concert that's already happened? >> you should have thought of that. i agree, they took them and went twice. >> well, look, let's be let's be straight here. you can't give back things that have passed in terms of events and stuff like that or spectacles. so. so you can give spectacles. so the premise here is that they should be returning anything that is returnable. and i would say they should. you shouldn't be taking or accepting gifts. i agree from people who are giving you and that's across the board. sorry. just across the board and not just the labour party. it's all of them. >> it's a way of them absolving themselves of their sins. that's why you shouldn't take them back ,

why you shouldn't take them back, because they are still sinners. >> but how can they point the finger at everyone else? and yet they're doing it themselves ? they're doing it themselves? >> lizzie. that's the hypocrisy that stays with them. as soon as you . as soon as you give them you. as soon as you give them back. then the hypocrisy is diluted because they're supposed to be all for the working man. let them drag it down. i agree with you . with you. >> absolutely awful despicable what they're doing . they should what they're doing. they should tell you about that arsenal box. i don't want it because i support chelsea. but that £8,000 a week, £8,000 a week. and he thinks that's fine. yet rishi could go to a football match. southampton. and he went and sat in the crowd. prime minister, even prince william sits in the crowd . he may have security crowd. he may have security around him, aston villa in the crowd. >> well , listen crowd. >> well, listen some benny says nigel farage lots of you have been getting touched by the way, gbnews.com/yoursay benny says nigel farage says something starmer, rayner and the proposed candidates for tory leadership will never have and that is glass glasses. charisma. >> oh, charisma .

>> oh, charisma. >> oh, charisma. >> course boris had it as well. oh yeah. >> like farage. yeah buckets of it. >> richard said that the labour party shouldn't refund the freebies. the individuals like starmer and rayner who received them should. so. absolutely. okay so the labour, the individuals. okay, steve says reform uk isn't there to split the vote. they are an alternative to the other two parties. i wouldn't vote conservative or labour if reform didn't exist. i'd be voting independent. yeah, and another one from richard here. reform and conservatives need a pact to beat rotten labour and age of reason, says danny. you are wrong. conservatives shot themselves in the foot. i was a confirmed conservative local secretary. they created their own demise . reform pick up them own demise. reform pick up them and labour theirs and labour's votes. >> and let me just tell you, when you look at keir starmer doing his speech, you look at him at the labour. look how many times he looks at the script, looks at his notes, those nigel farage, no autocue. right >> so also grumpy grandad been in touch. the wind payment issue is winding me up no end. i don't

even get it but it angers me so much. they have no idea what it's like to be stuck in one room trying to stay warm, because you can't afford to turn your heating up, or even in some cases i do, and it's not. and it's not close to being funny. you're honestly worried about surviving the winter? yes. thank you for that. keep your thoughts coming. gbnews.com forward slash. you're saying you're with me? i'm nana akua . this is gb me? i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. stay tuned. loads more still to come. also, steve gillan will be in the studio live, giving us an insight into how prisoners could potentially be reformed. but first, let's get an update with your. first, let's get an update with your . weather. your. weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> hello there. good afternoon. welcome to your gb news. weather forecast provided by the met office. quite an unsettled few

days to come for many of us with some heavy rain around. we've already seen some of that over the course of this afternoon with low pressure moving into southern areas of the uk that's feeding in those heavy pulses. even some thunderstorms around hail . even some thunderstorms around hail. continuing even some thunderstorms around hail . continuing on. as we even some thunderstorms around hail. continuing on. as we head into the first part of this evening, there is a rain warning in force to the rest of today for wales central southern areas of england. so do continue to take care. it is a little bit dner take care. it is a little bit drier further towards the north, but quite cloudy across eastern coastal areas. that cloud beginning to move its way further inland. but we'll hold to on a few clear spells for parts of northwestern scotland, and it could turn a little bit chilly here, but otherwise quite a mild night elsewhere. 15 or 16 c as the lows for many of us. an amber weather warning then comes into force at 5:00 tomorrow morning. we could see some particularly potentially very heavy rain, so do take care as you head out first thing on monday morning, particularly across parts of wales into the central region, parts of lincolnshire and yorkshire as well. a few sunny spells trying to break through for parts of eastern northern ireland into western scotland. but generally

it will be a cloudier start to the day here compared to some recent days, and we start to see some patchy rain moving into the far north of scotland as well. that will slowly push its way southwards during the course of the day, but the real focus for that heavy rain is those central regions again , the amber weather regions again, the amber weather warning in force for lincolnshire into the midlands, areas where there could be some localised flooding and disruption over the course of the day . still, we'll see the day. still, we'll see temperatures climb to around 20 c across the far south if we see some sunshine breaking its way through, but generally temperatures around 13 to 15 c in the north, this rain will gradually move its way off towards the north sea as we head throughout the end of monday and into towards tuesday, but things generally are set to remain fairly unsettled as we head over the course of the next coming week, with further rain and strong winds at times, and things will also be turning cooler for all of us, with temperatures dropping below average for the time of year by the end. by by looks like things are heating up . are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather

gb news. >> good afternoon. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv , online news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's yours, and of course it's theirs. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me in the next hour, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. coming up, the labour party kicked off their conference in liverpool as deputy prime minister angela rayner delivered a keynote speech fighting back tears as she took to the stage amid their party freebies row. and for the interview, i'll be joined by ex—gangster turned ceo stephen gillan . once one of the most gillan. once one of the most uk's wanted london gang members ,

uk's wanted london gang members, now determined to help others avoid going down a criminal path. we'll be talking about labour's early prison release scheme . and was it successful? scheme. and was it successful? but first, let's get your latest news headlines with sam francis . news headlines with sam francis. >> very good evening to you from the newsroom. 5:01, the top story tonight, labour's first party conference in power in 14 years has been underway. today in liverpool, with speeches from the deputy prime minister and foreign secretary. as the party continued to battle over a row over donations. opening the afternoon session earlier, cabinet minister darren jones called for to labour hold power for five terms and make it. he says, the natural party of government. earlier deputy prime minister angela rayner declared that now is labour's moment and promised to bolster workers rights, build high quality homes and strengthen communities. >> there will be no complacency.

we've seen where that leads. don't forget what they did partygate, covid contracts, the lies divisions , scapegoating and lies divisions, scapegoating and the unfunded tax cuts for the richest that crashed our economy. don't forget any of it. the tories failed britain and they tried to cover it up. a crater in the heart of britain's economy, a puncture in the pocket of every working family and a £22 billion black hole . and a £22 billion black hole. >> well, the conference runs until tuesday ending, of course, with sir keir starmer's leader's speech, which we will bring to you live here on gb news. but there could be trouble for him elsewhere in the uk, as the snp's westminster leader, stephen flynn, has said that the new prime minister is failing to deliver on the change that he promised scotland in the general election. he claims that despite the snp being willing to work with labour, sir keir starmer is completely out of touch with

scotland and the issues the country faces. it comes after the prime minister's already faced criticism over cuts to the winter fuel allowance and his acceptance of clothing donations. earlier, our scotland reporter tony maguire asked the people of glasgow if they feel secure is delivering in three months, give or take this labour government. >> how do you think they are performing for scotland? >> one out of ten really? >> one out of ten really? >> yeah, again, i'm a pensioner. >> yeah, again, i'm a pensioner. >> they've taken my winter fuel allowance and it's wrong. >> i had high hopes for keir starmer and now it's all gone. has there been any ? has there been any? >> i haven't really noticed much, to be honest . much, to be honest. >> i'm ashamed to say i'm a glaswegian. really. when i see the state of the place and i've watched 13 years of snp , we're watched 13 years of snp, we're in big, big trouble. well, no, no , we might be out of the no, we might be out of the trouble now with the labour run, i don't know. just a matter of wait and see. >> elsewhere in politics, the reform leader, nigel farage, has been sitting down with gb news

political editor chris hope at their party conference yesterday. speaking on chopper's political podcast, mr farage said in order for reform to make an impact the local elections next may, the party will have to complete ten years of evolution in just the next six months. however, that hasn't stopped him from setting quite the target . from setting quite the target. >> we've got enough people to have 2300 candidates. the question is, are they the right 2300 candidates? because we will be held to a higher standard than everybody else. and i'm aiming in those elections to win hundreds of seats. >> and you can of course, listen to that full interview on chopper's political podcast. just search chopper's political podcast wherever you get your podcasts. we'll change that script. so i don't say podcasts so much. in other news, 31 people have been arrested in a nationwide home office crackdown on people smuggling gangs. the three day operation involving the national crime agency , the national crime agency, police and international partners targeted locations including belfast, liverpool and

luton . over £400,000 of criminal luton. over £400,000 of criminal cash and ten fraudulent identity documents were seized during checks at ports, airports and road networks. the minister for border security says the government is cracking down on criminal gangs exploiting vulnerable people and profiting from their despair. vulnerable people and profiting from their despair . the second from their despair. the second man has been arrested over what police are describing as a shocking kidnap of an 87 year old man in oldham. the pensioner was dragged into a black car, attacked and dumped miles from his home, suffering serious injuries. greater manchester police say he found help by knocking on a door after the ordeal. two men, aged 24 and 39, have been arrested on suspicion of kidnap. one has already been released on bail in the us. it's been reported that four people have been killed, dozens of others wounded in a mass shooting in alabama. the birmingham police department have said the attack took place in the five points south area at around 11:00 last night. authorities also believe

multiple shooters were involved, though no arrests have been made so far. and according to local media, responding officers found multiple victims at the scene . multiple victims at the scene. three were sadly pronounced dead and a fourth later died in hospital . the foreign secretary hospital. the foreign secretary says there needs to be an imminent ceasefire between israel and hezbollah, following what he's described as a worrying escalation. david lammy says the ongoing hostilities are in nobody's interest and has advised british nationals in lebanon to leave now. it comes as hezbollah's deputy leader said the terror group is now in an open ended battle of reckoning with israel. he made the comments during a funeral for a top hezbollah commander killed in an israeli strike. and finally, they've always been there for . finally, they've always been there for. us. finally, they've always been there for . us. well, that's finally, they've always been there for. us. well, that's for there for. us. well, that's for the past three decades, at least, as today marks the 30th birthday of one of the most iconic series of all times

friends. the show premiered for the first time in the us back in 1994. fast becoming one of the most watched programs and lasting for ten series. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'll be back with you for now. i'll be back with you for another round up in about half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign up to news smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> hello. good afternoon. this is gb news. we're live on tv, onune is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating , and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and author lizzie cundy and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. right. so still to come,

the labour party kick off their conference in liverpool as deputy prime minister angela rayner delivered a keynote speech. fighting back tears as she took to the stand amid their party freebies row. plus, i'll be joined by writer and former mobster stephen gillan, who will share his thoughts of the government's new early release scheme of prisoners. then, for the great british debate, i'm asking has the government's early release scheme failed already? mps have issued a warning following revelations that many prisoners released under the uk government's scheme were not fitted with electronic tags. apparently serco, the company that run the tagging, had run out. send me your thoughts , post your comments thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . but it's all gbnews.com/yoursay. but it's all go at the labor party conference in liverpool. it is well underway amid accusations of turmoil in number 10 and the sleaze row just won't go away. what must starmer over the next few days do to try and ease the

minds of supporters? more than 1700 prisoners were let out early in england and wales last week as part of the government's early release scheme. but plaid cymru westminster leader and justice spokesperson, liz saville roberts, has issued a warning that many of the prisoners released were not fitted with electronic tags , fitted with electronic tags, despite the requirement for all those being released early to wear monitoring devices with. which raises serious concerns about public safety. all right . about public safety. all right. so all of that is on the way. joining me live now from liverpool is our political correspondent katherine forster so catherine talk me through what is the atmosphere like now. obviously there's a lot of negativity around the labour party right now, but the conference was supposed to be a positive thing to display their huge majority in the power that they have in parliament. >> yes. good afternoon. nana. well, sure. they won that massive majority, didn't they? they're over the moon, but they're not quite as over the

moon as perhaps you might expect, given all the rouse, all the donations, the dresses, the fighting in downing street, all the bad headlines , basically, the bad headlines, basically, that we're hearing about. but first of all, before we talk about labour specifically, let me introduce you to a couple of very important guests, because there's tons of stands at labour conference. one of those is the guide dogs. very important work they do, of course. so let's meet now pete. pete, you are the policy and campaign manager for guide dogs. thanks so much for talking to us on gb news today. and also , let's get down to the and also, let's get down to the star of the show. this is stevie. stevie. hello. there's a tail being wagged. oh, you're very beautiful, aren't you? stevie is six years old and pete, when does he get to rest? >> he looks a bit tired. we

actually make sure that he gets plenty of rest during the day. but it is a long day for him, so we're finishing on the stand at 6:00 tonight. we'll be back to my hotel that we're staying in. he will have his tea. a good rest and i'll take him out for a little bit of a walk later to on make sure he gets some fresh air and, and make sure that he has time to spend and do his business. so, he's really busy at the conference, but we make sure that we take care of his welfare all the way through. >> and you're here to highlight a specific thing, aren't you? this, access refusals. that's a real problem for some people with guide dogs. tell us what that is. yeah. >> so we've just released the latest data from our latest survey in that almost 90% of guide dog owners have actually received an access refusal dunng received an access refusal during their partnership. that can be from anywhere from shops, cafes , restaurants in healthcare cafes, restaurants in healthcare settings. one of the biggest issues is taxis and private hire vehicle owners. of course, being

blind using a guide dog, we absolutely rely on public transport and particularly taxis and private hire vehicles. so what we're asking is councils and local authorities across the country introduce mandatory disability equality training for those drivers to make sure that they understand why we require our assistance. dogs and guide dogs , and particularly dogs, and particularly understand the law. it is a criminal offence to refuse a guide dog unless you have exemption from your local council. we want to make sure that those taxi drivers understand the law, know the reasons that we require these dogs and make sure that those access refusals stop. >> really important to draw people's attention to that. thank you so much for talking to us today on gb news. thank you stevie. i think we'll go for a little wander now, shall we? so we're heading down. i'm walking forwards. that's not too tricky. my cameraman is walking backwards. we've got somebody behind him making sure that he

doesn't trip up. but as you can see, it's. it's busy now. it's the first full day we've had. the deputy leader, angela raynen the deputy leader, angela rayner, making a speech earlier, talking about planning reform, talking about planning reform, talking about planning reform, talking about getting britain building, talking about change, that one word change that really helped to win labour the last election didn't it? that and the fact that people were very, very fed up with the tories, but although labour wants to be talking about all the things that it's going to be doing, its plan, its five missions for growth, for getting the nhs waiting list down, making safer streets, etc. and we are still bogged down in these ongoing stories about donations, money taken by the prime minister by angela rayner, by rachel reeves , angela rayner, by rachel reeves, the chancellor, by the prime minister's wife. for dresses, for spectacles, free tickets for

events, the list goes on and on and we basically had this drip, drip of stories pretty much every day over the last week or so, and it is quite damaging. and people here are quite frustrated by it because it is pulling focus from what should be a very, very upbeat conference. and the other thing, of course , that's worrying them of course, that's worrying them is that the message from the prime minister so far has been a bit doom and gloomy, hasn't it? we know that the sort of economic state of the country is not good. we know that public services are in a really bad state. we know that there's tough choices coming, but it's not a very positive message, is it? and i think what we expect to see here and hear here is that, yes, there's some pain to come, but it's going to be worth it. and what's it all for? when are things going to get better? we need some sort of hope

message at the end of this. so that's what i expect the prime minister will be bringing on tuesday. we will hear from the chancellor tomorrow . chancellor tomorrow. >> right. well, up next i'm joined by a writer and former mobster, stephen gillan, who will share his thoughts on the government's early release scheme for prisoners. but before we do that, i want to quickly go over to my panel to just get your brief thoughts on, the thought on the labour party conference so far. >> well, i think it's very, they need to address the elephant in the room. they need to talk about all the wardrobe gate downer , gate y, really? sue gray downer, gate y, really? sue gray is getting more money than the prime minister. all these issues that are obviously disturbing the members they need to address it can't hide. where is starmer? he's not doing any interviews soon. >> i should imagine they're amongst friends in liverpool. obviously. scousers, big labour supporters , generally speaking. supporters, generally speaking. so they're on safe terra firma. if you like. but i think what

they should do is ask people from other cities how they feel about certain policies that they've enacted and i'm sorry, i'm like a stuck record. i'm talking about the pensioners. >> all right. well, listen, stay with us. keep your thoughts coming. gbnews.com/yoursay. right. so former mobster stephen gillan share his thoughts on on the government's early

good afternoon. if you've just tuned in. where have you been? no. it's fine. you're here now. we've not got long on the show left, but it's good. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv , online akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. this is gb news and it's now time for this week's interview. now, last week, over 1700 prisoners in england and wales were released early under the government's early under the government's early release scheme. but plaid cymru westminster leader and justice spokesperson liz saville roberts has raised serious concerns, warning that many of these individuals were not

fitted with electronic tags despite it being a requirement for the early release. now, this failure to properly monitor offenders raises significant pubuc offenders raises significant public safety risks . the public safety risks. the ministry of justice has attributed the delays in tagging to serco. now this is a company and a security firm which is responsible for fitting the devices which has held the contract since 2024, and they hold lots of massive government contracts. and actually these contracts. and actually these contracts are worth millions to them. but i'm joined now in the studio by writer and former mobster stephen gillan. stephen, thank you very much for coming in. >> hi nana. it's always a pleasure to be here. >> right. so i wanted to just get stuck into this, this thing because a lot of people hear about this and they're thinking, well, it's not the serious criminals that were released, but it was people who had a short sentence who would have been released maybe a month earlier, but are now coming out just you know, a month later, but are coming out a month earlier. what is your thought on this particular way of doing things ? i mean, i'm not sure things? i mean, i'm not sure you've been in prison. you know what it's like to come out of there. >> unfortunately, i have i mean,

look, this is a big, big issue, ihave look, this is a big, big issue, i have to say, for the public, right? you know, for, for tax, for, safety of the public, pubuc for, safety of the public, public funds, all of this stuff, you know, and it really gets me how this issue is put away, like a dirty secret. and it's never dean a dirty secret. and it's never dealt with appropriately, you know, and for me to see the handung know, and for me to see the handling of this, it's just really is a real example for this government's incompetence, you know, to manage this sufficiently. really, you know, i mean, one instance is they're saying, you know, it's the categorisation of this is on the offender and not the offence wrong and wrong. >> what does that mean ? >> what does that mean? >> what does that mean? >> well, it needs to be a very, very bespoke approach . and one very bespoke approach. and one of the main things that they've not put down here to ensure it's managed properly is the bridge. you know, a lot of these, a lot of these, the bridge. well a lot of these, the bridge. well a lot of these, the bridge. well a lot of these prisons are coming out. they don't have anywhere to go. nana right. you know, what are they going to do. they're going to revert to type. you know, they can't get a job. there's no

resource. so they're kind of slung out without any opportunity. you know, it's really being set up to fail. so it's not helping the prisoners . it's not helping the prisoners. it's certainly not helping the public. and it's all a little too late what they're doing. >> well, some people might say, oh my heart bleeds. there's no bndge oh my heart bleeds. there's no bridge to help these people. they've been in prison. they need to get, you know, now they've been in prison. i don't feel any sympathy for them. and actually, some people are quite annoyed that they're even coming out early. >> look, 100%. and i get that, you know, and people have to pay their debt to society . i'm not their debt to society. i'm not talking about that. there are even certain people who should be in prison . nana what i'm be in prison. nana what i'm talking about is if these are definitely not unanimous , what definitely not unanimous, what have i done? no, no, no . but, have i done? no, no, no. but, it's really about, look, if these things are going to be done, which they are being done and they've been done before, then they need to be managed properly for public safety, you know, and there's no rehabilitation. rehabilitation as crazy as the word may sound, you know, and this is after the

fact that people have paid their debt to society . it's actually debt to society. it's actually in society's favour, you know , in society's favour, you know, because people can go back to work. they can be less of a dangen work. they can be less of a danger. you know, whatever talents or skill set they may have can be a contribution to society. you know, this is the only way that this this issue is going to be managed in a way that's going to work. but it never seems to be. >> but sir keir starmer should know better. i would have thought soon as he was the head of the department of prosecutions. he's he's done that job. he knows about the prison system. he knows how it works. he knows the problems that arise when prisoners come out of jail . what are the sort out of jail. what are the sort of problems that arise when people come straight out and you've already pointed out they may not have anywhere to live, but just say they do have somewhere to live. what are the main issues that they might face? >> well, you see, it's kind of like the cart before the horse. this, you know, it's that kind ofissue this, you know, it's that kind of issue and rehabilitation, you know, really facilitating a good roadmap for prisoners to

integrate back into society needs to happen before the release, before they're released . release, before they're released. right? you know, and then when they're released, there needs to be a real, you know, a real kind of management of to get them back into work, you know, and stuff like that, you know, and this doesn't happen and that's, that's a real, real problem. >> would you say it's quite irresponsible then if the government to release some of them, even though some of them may have been about to be released a month later, but would you say it's quite irresponsible of the government? >> i would think it is. right, you know, because what it does, it's just, you know, it's adding petrol to a fire really, you know, and you know, and then i say to myself, okay, it's obviously, you know, if we go down to the, to the bare bones of this, it's a funding issue. you know, and i see other, other crazy things. this government is doing. right. you know, like taking taking the couple of pennies that, you know, our pensioners and all the rest of it . i mean, i pensioners and all the rest of it. i mean, i can go on and on about it, you know, but what that reflects to me is a really mismanagement of funds right after the effect. right, which

is causing all these problems. so these are knee jerk reactions to, oh, we must do that . you to, oh, we must do that. you know, the government is leverage, but why would the government who is governing this country, be in a place where they are managing this country like this? >> yeah. i want to ask you about the tagging system as well. serco. they're the people who provided the tags. i mean, you served your full sentence, right ? served your full sentence, right? did you have to have a tag when you came out and did you know people who have and what how detrimental is it if people who should have a tag on give them one? >>i one? >> i think if it's going to, you know, if it's going to work and it's going to aid a prisoner's integration in society , family integration in society, family unit and all this stuff, there are areas where this this is a good thing, you know, it could be a good tool . but, you know, be a good tool. but, you know, it's not really managed as well in the right way as well. you know, you're seeing other people are being you know, let out who are being you know, let out who are not prepared for release. and of course, they're going on, they're committing more crimes and all this stuff. this is this is not conducive to anything

good going forward. >> but should they, should they be tagged then? do you think that's a good plan? but obviously they didn't have enough tags so they shouldn't have released them. >> that's you know, well i think what i'm saying is, is that nana what i'm saying is, is that nana what they're saying is they're saying you know, they're looking at the offence and not the offender . that's wrong and wrong offender. that's wrong and wrong because they need to be looking at both in conjunction and really selecting the right people for this . what i'm not people for this. what i'm not seeing, you know, is a thorough , seeing, you know, is a thorough, focused, process , you know, and focused, process, you know, and affecting, you know, which is going to suit everyone and going to work. it's just like everyone in and that to me sounds crazy, but let's come back to the tagging thing, though. >> the fact that people weren't given a tag when they came out and they were meant to have a tag, does that make a lot of difference in your view? >> i think it does. you know, a tag is obviously a boundary and an incentive to do what you're told. you know, and in my opinion, you know, when people, some of them institutionalise and all the rest of it, they're not readily prepared for release, they need these boundaries, as anyone would, to

sail the river towards it, towards a healthier way of being. so this is you know, another thing that should have been applied. it should have been applied. it should have been set up. it should have been managed. it has to be said. >> so tell us a bit about your story then. so you went to prison for how many years did you serve and i got a long sentence. >> i got 17 years nana. it was a very serious business with me. many, many moons ago. i served 12 years of that as a category a prisoner. so i've really seen this system from the bottom to the top and what it is and what it's not. >> and that was for armed robbery. >> that was for armed robbery. >> that was for armed robbery. >> yeah. and so when you came out, what kind of help did you get inside the prison and then what was there for you when you were released? >> well, i can only speak for myself now. you know, high security prisoners like me . it security prisoners like me. it was just about containment. there was no rehabilitation at all. you know, i'm talking about the general prison population. there wasn't really any as such. that was targeted in the right way for us. there was absolutely none. you know, it was about

containment and all of that stuff. that's fair enough. i paid my debt to society and all that stuff. but of course, you know, people have to be released. they have to come out the other end. and there are expectations that people can be reformed and go on to do better things, you know, and contribute and give back to society after they've they've paid their debt. >> so did you have any rehabilitation inside prison? >> i didn't i didn't i was actually absolutely nothing. it was . yeah. which is , very was. yeah. which is, very damaging. i mean, i was actually released a category a, which is really rare . so, you know, you really rare. so, you know, you had the well, you had the, you know, you had the circumstances of me being walked to the prison gate on the day of my release with a prison dogs, you know, and a full escort. i mean, that's that's it. >> and then they just left you outside, and then, of course, you go out and then that's it. >> you get on with it. that's it. >> and did they provide any sort of further rehabilitation whilst you were out? >> absolutely nothing. nothing. you know, and that's a, that's a tough river to sail because you've got a couple of years,

you've got a couple of years, you know, for a long term prison, i can only speak for myself of, your institutionalised. so of course i've gone on to , to, you know, i've gone on to, to, you know, to do good things thankfully through a lot of real, real hard work. but i think of other people who have to go this same course, you know, and how long, how long did it take you then? >> you said a couple of years before you actually felt that you could fit into society. what was what was the oddest thing or the hardest thing? >> i think it's all odd. you know, if you think about 12 years, five years, is that solitary 23 hours a day? i mean, imagine what that does to a person mentally , emotionally, person mentally, emotionally, spiritually, physically, even, you know , this is a long time. you know, this is a long time. and, you have to overcome a lot of that stuff, you know , because of that stuff, you know, because you need to, you know, you need to find yourself again . and to find yourself again. and then, of course, you need to you need to integrate into society and your family, even appropriately. >> wow. so what advice then would you give to the government regarding the way they're doing things? so releasing people early and what advice would you

give them? because obviously you've you've trodden the path. you know what it's like from your own perspective. so what advice would you give them? from what you've seen, i've done a bit in the times with this nana, you know, for those, you know, so they are the prisoners throwing them up to lock them up, throw away the key. >> yeah, i get that. but we have to have, you know, a big picture. but you know, line them up and we'll throw cabbages whatever. right. you know, but you know, you have to have a higher mind here, right. you know, and be a big picture guy as the government is meant to be, of course, governing us. and it's about bespoke solutions because there's a lot of savings there for the public purse . if there for the public purse. if this stuff is done. i don't understand why they don't attack this in a meaningful, pragmatic , this in a meaningful, pragmatic, way. you know, that's going to that's going to translate into something better. >> well, the same stuff, because if it's this bespoke and individualised, it takes a lot of a lot of energy. but maybe in the long run it's worth it. steven gillon, you've got your book out. tell us briefly about

your book. >> yeah, my book. extraordinary. you know, the search for a life worth living . the reason why worth living. the reason why with this book today is because it's all in there, you know? but but the jewels, there's a lot. the jewels are how i really changed my life, you know, and stuff like that . i mean, then stuff like that. i mean, then i went on to be, 2019 to be nominated for an international peace prize. people can change people. people can pay their debt to society and go on to contribute greatly to society. >> all right. steven gillon, thank you very much. thanks for your view and your thoughts. that, of course, is steven gillon. he's an entrepreneur, an ex—offender, but an entrepreneur. he's done his time. he paid for his crime. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. still to come, we'll continue with the great british debate. this out. i'm asking, has the government's early release scheme of prisoners failed? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel , broadcaster you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and also broadcaster and author lizzie cundy. but first, let's get your latest news with sam francis .

latest news with sam francis. >> very good evening to you. the top stories from the newsroom just after half past five. labour needs to break the cycle of chaos, according to the party's outgoing general secretary. speaking at the labour conference in liverpool, david evans said the party must never lose touch with voters following its general election victory. it comes as questions mount for sir keir starmer following an observer poll which has found he's now less popular than rishi sunak, with his personal rating dropping by 45 points since july. earlier education secretary bridget phillipson has defended the prime minister and the government's plans to make what she's called meaningful change. >> it feels at the minute that really a lot isn't working in our country. we are determined this week here in liverpool to talk about the change that we're delivering on. that will make a difference. that will bring some hope and optimism back. but absolutely fixing the foundations of our economy , foundations of our economy, stabilising our economy is absolutely crucial because everything else has to flow from

that. >> 31 people have been arrested in a nationwide home office crackdown on people smuggling gangs. the three day operation, involving the national crime agency , police and international agency, police and international partners targeted locations including belfast, liverpool and luton . over £400,000 of cash and luton. over £400,000 of cash and ten fraudulent identity documents were seized during checks at ports and airports. minister for border security dame angela eagle says the government is cracking down on criminal gangs exploiting vulnerable people and profiting from their despair. vulnerable people and profiting from their despair . a second man from their despair. a second man has been arrested after what police have described as a shocking kidnapping of an 87 year old man in oldham. the pensioner was dragged into a black car, attacked and then dumped miles from his home, leading to serious injuries. greater manchester police say he found help by knocking on the door of a home after the ordeal. two men, aged 24 and 39, have been arrested on suspicion of kidnap, with one already released on bail . and finally,

released on bail. and finally, some international news. the foreign secretary says there needs to be an immediate ceasefire between israel and hezbollah , following what he has hezbollah, following what he has described as a worrying escalation in the middle east. david lammy says the ongoing hostilities are in nobody's interest, as he advised british nationals in lebanon to leave. it comes as hezbollah's deputy leader said the terror group is now in an open ended battle of reckoning with israel and the israeli military chief in the last few moments has said that its operations against the terror group are a message to anyone in the middle east looking to harm israeli citizens. those are the latest headunes citizens. those are the latest headlines for now, a full roundup just after 6:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward

>> good afternoon. 37 minutes after 5:00. welcome. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. we're live on tv, onune channel. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time now for our great british debate this houn our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking has the government's early release scheme of prisoners failed? last week, over 1700 prisoners in england and wales were released early . that england and wales were released early. that is, of england and wales were released early . that is, of course, under early. that is, of course, under the government's scheme. but plaid cymru westminster leader and justice spokesperson, liz saville roberts, has raised serious concerns, warning that many of these individuals were not fitted with an electronic tag despite it being a requirement for early release. so for the great british debate this year, i'm asking has the government's early release scheme of prisoners failed? well, joining me now is my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. and also columnist and broadcaster lizzie cundy. lizzie cundy, i'm going to come to you.

>> it's disgraceful. it's disgraceful that they're doing this early release . and i've this early release. and i've said before my friend, who was a victim of domestic abuse is cannot sleep. she's worried her ex—partner is going to be let out early, it is absolutely disgraceful that this has happened and there are many more like her. and i work for a charity called women's aid, and there are many that are absolutely terrified that their ex—partners are going to come back because they know where they live and they'll reoffend . they live and they'll reoffend. and how this labour government can actually sleep at night. it beggars belief. and let me just tell you some facts. we've got now 10,000 foreign nationals in our prisons that could be sent back, and they won't . and it's back, and they won't. and it's costing us the taxpayer, 50 grand per prisoner a year to keep them here. >> only yesterday we were talking about this . the irony of talking about this. the irony of this story. only yesterday we were talking about a boundary

between coventry and warwick, two lads banged up in the same cell for the same crime. they both got off with the 40% release. the lads in coventry's got a tag. the lad in warwick hasn't got a tag because of these difficulties, so there are almost geographical difficulties with serco and the kid now. the lads without the tag isn't a threat to anyone. he's not a violent man. he wasn't in for violence or unfortunate domestic abuse like you just spoke about lizzie. but what he said was, he goes, it's not a free pass because the curfew rules still apply. and if he's not in his house, they could get a random door knock at, say, 9:00. but then i thought to myself, how likely is that exactly that the great thing about these tags is that they can track you exactly. and so if you, for example, if you're a drug dealer from birmingham and you've got your modus operandi has gone up to liverpool to buy cocaine and bnng liverpool to buy cocaine and bring it back on the m6 , they bring it back on the m6, they can see that journey in real time. >> there's a lot of detail there, danny. >> yes, but that's the beauty of

the technology. now, if you haven't got a tag, as long as you're back, if your curfew is 8:00 at night, as long as you're back from the north—west with your keys or coke, you get a knock on the door. there you are. you've passed all of the rules, but the condition of the early release scheme was that they would get a tag and they haven't got a tag. >> and this is what my issue is with it, that labour government are so inept that they've let these, you know, criminals out early and without tags because they didn't, you know, they weren't prepared. >> and yet they seem to be releasing the wrong sort of criminals and putting in the wrong sort. i mean , we're wrong sort. i mean, we're heanng wrong sort. i mean, we're hearing of people just because of things they've written, which are a bit, yeah, we'll say fruity on facebook are being put inside. it's all wrong. >> yeah. that's the most perplexing thing about the whole situation. you've got people writing horrible stuff on facebook and now they're doing 18 month stretches. and that's why these two kids from not too far away from me, were maybe released to free up a prison cell for some idiot who's written something stupid and for me, it was just horrific to see them celebrating, coming out,

lamborghinis popping open bottles of champagne. >> i mean , seriously, keir >> i mean, seriously, keir starmer, you're a joke. yeah, and no wonder you're down in the polls. what is his position now is the lowest. it's lower than rishi and that's saying something. yeah, he's lost at 45 points, but at least at least he's got 1400 lifelong labour supporters from now on. >> if that's how many prisoners were released early . because i were released early. because i remember one footage, some guy goes, i'm always going to vote laboun goes, i'm always going to vote labour. now i've always voted laboun labour. now i've always voted labour. i'm always going to continue voting labour. >> well, they're the only ones that are appealing to the labour party. i mean, seriously, what? that this is disgusting and like i say, you know, victims of these criminals are actually scared stiff and look what's going on in our streets at the minute. nigel farage is right. britain is broken. >> and also just briefly, you know this far right. smear anyone with an opinion on on on immigration is far right. anyone taking part in all of this civil disobedience and disturbance is far right. some of the most racist people i have ever been surrounded by are left wing

labour supporters. if you ever went to goodison park in the 19805 went to goodison park in the 1980s and 1990s, liverpool is a home of socialism . 90% of people home of socialism. 90% of people vote labour. if you were black or if you're a footballer, you had thousands of labour left wing supporters screaming racist abuse at you. you were just likely to vote labour and throw a brick at a copper , as you were a brick at a copper, as you were to vote reform and throw a brick at a copper. there's far right stuff is nonsense. >> i do think it's nonsense. it's a fallacy. it's a fallacy. >> it's a convenient fallacy. >> it's a convenient fallacy. >> it's a convenient fallacy. >> it is a convenient fallacy because i'm often called far right, but i'm black, so i don't think you can be, you know. but that's not the point here, that it is a ridiculous thing to say that someone is far right just because their opinion is different from yours. and they hold the opposite view. but that's what we get here. i do accept a lot of people on the left do seem somewhat egregious, and quite unpleasant when it comes in terms of racism. i receive more racism from black from black people than i do white people, and that's always been the case. but listen , give been the case. but listen, give us your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com forward slash your say andy says why was

lord alli in downing street for a month ? what was he doing in a month? what was he doing in the seat of government? the house, the taxpayer owns. grumpy grandad says whilst you're arguing about clothes and stuff, we're ignoring the far bigger issues like immigration and a load of other things. i'll tell you what, grandpa, there's just literally so much on the list. we will come to that right coming up, supplements sunday, where panel will take look at some of the stories that caught

next. 47 minutes after 5:00. good evening. it's time for supplements. sunday. now i'm nana akua. we're live on gb news andifs nana akua. we're live on gb news and it's the part of the show where my panel take a look at some of the stories that caught their eye. joining me, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, also journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. let's go with danny, your supplement . okay. >> rickshaws in the west end of london. okay. you don't really get them in other parts of the

country, but you get them in london and you get a quote of a guy saying, i want to go from here to buckingham palace. how much, mate? he'll say, and this is an actual incident. he'll say, £13. so at the end of the 500 yard, if you're only close to 500 yard trip, he says, okay, put your pin in. he's charged you £1,300. and this is this is common. if he says £24.50, next thing you know , you're being thing you know, you're being charged £245. if you ask for a receipt, you'll say we don't do receipts. the next thing you know, he's he's scarpered off transport for london have been inundated with complaints. they pick on easy targets . maybe pick on easy targets. maybe people who would be identifiably not with the british language. maybe, you know, tourists from the far east or whatever, or yanks who just are so casual. and that's the perception of it. you say, okay, £15. next thing is it's £1,500. wow >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and then they're like , they >> and then they're like, they leave you in a, in a, in a load of dust. >> this is in london. of course they're not going to get very far are they. you. traffic is so slow like my ex—husband,

>> say that he might be watching. >> i don't think he likes me much . much. >> i have no comment . well, did >> i have no comment. well, did you see the big fight last night? i did, yeah. anthony joshua knocked out . joshua knocked out. >> yeah. round five, i think. >> yeah. round five, i think. >> thrown in. >> thrown in. >> towel thrown in. yeah >> towel thrown in. yeah >> daniel dubois. what did you think? oh, well, i thought daniel dubois was a better fighter. >> i really like anthony joshua. i think he's a decent human being. i've seen documentaries about him up for it, though. >> was he? >> was he? >> he was just outfought. he didn't recover from the first round put down. >> well, last night i actually introduced liam gallagher. on a station. and liam actually came in. we were all excited because oasis tickets are going like, you know, no one could get a ticket. it's easier to get a dentist appointment than an oasis ticket. and he walked on strutting in with gum, did a couple of numbers. and you know what? everyone's now wanting their money back for the tickets. they're even saying they might put them on ebay. well, where was that? so the singing he sang before the

boxing? oh, no. at wembley. >> did you say you introduced him? i thought you said, you know, i was on i doing the radio. >> i didn't see you as one of the ring girls. no, i wasn't in the ring girls. no, i wasn't in the ring. they were the old days with the ring cards. but literally liam had to perform before the boxing and it was shocking. and fans were actually saying they want their money back and maybe even selling them on ebay. wow. so it's not maybe so good that he did that, but strutted off. he didn't even put his hand up and thank the audience. he just walked off the stage. have some manners. >> he's a rock star. that's what they do with attitude. >> well, if he's collected his money now, people have paid for them. so unfortunately, that's right. but to be honest with the anthony joshua fight, you know, he gets he gets 10 million, doesn't he, for just even if he loses. so yeah. what's the incentive to win? i would just i would go like every boxer wants with the first punch. i'd just go. i just. >> is it over? >>- >> is it over? >> to be honest, i think you would have half a chance against daniel dubois. how fierce you are. >> i wouldn't want to fight.

>> i wouldn't want to fight. >> i wouldn't want to fight. >> i wouldn't want a right hook off. >> but knowing i love boxing and iused >> but knowing i love boxing and i used to do the ring cards a long time ago when i was a very young girl. my poor mum happened to see me on telly. it was with the eubank fight. that's how long ago it was, and i have to say anthony joshua. i don't think he should have done this fight. he wasn't up for it and i think he's gone for the money andifs think he's gone for the money and it's not fair on the fans. >> what do you mean? well, it's not fair on the fans. he's the one that's got to step into the ring with this dude. yeah. if it was me, somebody said, look, you've got to fight this person for 10 million. like i said, with the first punch, i'd be like, hey, yeah, well, i don't think it was up for it, though. >> he wasn't fit enough. he wanted the money. he wanted. >> i think when you're so wealthy, i don't think money is the primary motivator. i think winning the fight is. maybe i'm wrong, i don't know. >> there comes a point, isn't there? where you think, oh, maybe he could have done with a spare 10 million? i don't know, but anyway. well, this is my one. this is my supplement. now this is one about the labour party because you know how much i love them. labour revives the boiler tax with heat pump targets. so manufacturers say hefty fines for missing net zero

quotas will force up prices by up to £180 per unit, so heat pumps the target for manufacturers to sell, will be imposed on the industry. ed miliband obviously the energy secretary, is expected to introduce the policy from next yearin introduce the policy from next year in april, despite warnings that it will drive up the cost of a new boiler. and the idea is that boilermakers need to hit a set targets, otherwise they'll face a hefty fine. >> not every house will work with heat pumps. it's maddening. it's crazy. they're massive lumps as well. you've got to keep them in the back garden. you've got to excavate and put them underneath concrete and what it will see. there'll be a run of people now buying boilers and just storing them, because at some point you won't be able to buy a boiler. they'll be arthur daley type characters with, with lockups full of boilers. no wonder, no wonder. >> can i tell you the wonder everyone is leaving this country 4500in the last five months are leaving this country sick of this. >> everyone is it? >> everyone is it? >> no. well, a lot of people. and there's another 9500 on

their way. your pimlico plumber is on his way. he's already gone.i is on his way. he's already gone. i like that lad . yeah, but gone. i like that lad. yeah, but the fact is, this is just madness. it's madness. and it's not fair on the consumer. and they don't work . they don't work. >> well, well, well, i mean, i think british gas did a heat pump and then they said, well, if it doesn't work as well as your boiler, you can have your boiler back and we'll exchange it. that was at the beginning of the launch of the heat pumps. but lots of lots of people getting in touch. craig is talking about liam gallagher and he said he's nothing more than a jumped up pop star. rock star. he i won't say the last word . he i won't say the last word. and then victor says that the uk now must be a laughing stock of the rest of the civilised world. take just one look at the deputy prime minister, whose main claim to fame is not actually having any qualifications. the foreign secretary, who knows nothing about geopolitics and the prime minister who is too busy grubbily taking backhanders to do the job. he has been appointed to, does this not this does not bode well at all on the

word for the great britain on the world stage. well, a lot of people sharing those sentiments would. of course, they are the party in power. they were voted in by majority with our electoral system and they are to govern for the next five years. their conference is this week and gb news will be following it very, very closely. i've got to say a huge thank you to my panel say a huge thank you to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. danny kelly, thank you very much. it's always a pleasure . and also always a pleasure. and also commentator and broadcaster views changed again . lizzie views changed again. lizzie cundy, thank you for great fun for joining me today and as a forjoining me today and as a huge thank you to you at home for your company. up next, neil oliver is on the way. i'll leave you with the weather forecast. forecast almost more . wonderful forecast almost more. wonderful wonderful week is . in. wonderful week is. in. >> it looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news .

sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. good afternoon. welcome to your gb news. weather forecast provided by the met office. quite an unsettled few days to come for many of us, with some heavy rain around. we've already seen some of that over the course of this afternoon, with low pressure moving into southern areas of the uk. that's feeding in those heavy pulses, even some thunderstorms around hail continuing on as we head into the first part of this evening, there is a rain warning in force to the rest of today for wales central southern areas of england. so do continue to take care. it is a little bit drier further towards the north, but quite cloudy across eastern coastal areas. that cloud beginning to move its way further inland. but we'll hold on to a few clear spells for parts of northwestern scotland, and it could turn a little bit chilly here, but otherwise quite a mild night elsewhere. 15 or 16 c as the lows for many of us. an amber weather warning then comes into force at 5:00 tomorrow morning. we could see some particularly potentially very heavy rain. so do take care as you head out first thing on monday morning, particularly across parts of wales into the central region, parts of lincolnshire and yorkshire as

well. a few sunny spells trying to break through for parts of east and northern ireland into western scotland. but generally it will be a cloudier start to the day here compared to some recent days . we start to see recent days. we start to see some patchy rain moving into the far north of scotland as well. that will slowly push its way southwards during the course of the day, but the real focus for that heavy rain is those central regions again, the amber weather warning in force for lincolnshire into the midlands areas where there could be some localised flooding and disruption over the course of the day. still, we'll see temperatures climb to around 20 c across the far south if we see some sunshine breaking its way through, but generally temperatures around 13 to 15 c in the north, this rain will gradually move its way off towards the north sea as we head throughout the end of monday and into tuesday, but things generally are set to remain fairly unsettled as we head over the course of the next coming week. with further rain and strong winds at times, and things will also be turning cooler for all of us, with temperatures dropping below average for the time of year by the end. >> by that warm feeling inside

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in liverpool. prime minister keir starmer has said he will no longer accept donations for clothes , but the scandal still clothes, but the scandal still looms over the conference. i'll be speaking to education secretary bridget phillipson. dean armstrong kc, one of the leading barristers in the case against mohamed al fayed , will against mohamed al fayed, will be here to share why he thinks this case is one of the most horrific he's ever seen. and on a par with jimmy savile. i'll be joined also by tory leadership hopeful robert jenrick, who sits at the top of the polls for the next leader in the opposition. but will he still be the leading man at the end of the race?

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