let's take a look at exactly. let's take a look at our front pages. we have the guardian leading us off to labour investigate £600 million covid contracts given under the tories guardian, desperately trying to claw back the moral high ground mail. now rayner hire, £68,000 vanity photographer. that's more like it. telegraph reeves uk must accept hard times or risk ruin the mirror. we will get your money back , the ai reeves urged money back, the ai reeves urged not to return to austerity as labour faces winter fuel revolt. and finally, the star. the future is orange. i believe that's a trump musk collaboration. those were the front pages . so, paul, we'll front pages. so, paul, we'll start with the cover of the daily mail. yeah, let's do this now. rayner hire 68 k vanity photographer. so this is the deputy prime minister of course simon. angela rayner and on the taxpayer. she's now got herself

a rather, exclusive photographer just to, just to follow her around and snap her. now, this is not entirely unusual. a lot of prime ministers have this. do they have done in recent times? last ten, 20 years. however, it's the first time a deputy prime minister has had such a thing. and it's not in itself a huge story. but on the back of a number of other stories, like, for instance, that , she was for instance, that, she was gifted by lord alli a holiday or she, she refused, as she does so. and i will just add on that as well. she had five nights in what looked like a really high end apartment in manhattan, overlooking the park on new year's eve. either side of five nights, and she said that she guessed that the overall price of that was £1,250. that would get you a flat in brighton over new year's eve. you'd be and you would be lucky to as well. now, do you know what you put all this together and it seems it's not entirely unexpected that people in high office get gifts. no. okay. and if i was in high

office, i'd take them as well. but i would take them. you've taken a tie. i have taken a tie. exactly. but i don't go around telling people they shouldn't. yes. and do you know what angela raynerin yes. and do you know what angela rayner in particular spent 14 years calling tories scum for doing things very similar to this. and now she's reaping the rewards of now she's reaping the rewards of now she's reaping the rewards of now she's reaping the rewards of being in high office. she she has no leg to stand on whatsoever. this is no surprise. the optics are terrible. the only thing that looks stupid is the emotional intelligence. the opfics the emotional intelligence. the optics are terrible . which optics are terrible. which really does throw into question the 68 grand she spent on a photographer. yes, exactly. if that should get you anything, it should be good optics, shouldn't it? that's it's infuriating to some degree, because a lot of this stuff, like i say, it shouldn't make too much of a difference, but it's coming from an area of politics where there have been very quick to point the finger. yeah i'm trying to work out as well. kerry, i don't know whether you've noticed, but a vanity photographer that accompanies the rev 68 graham must be pretty much a full time job, i would imagine. maybe he gets weekends off to do weddings. yes, but i don't know.

>> i don't know what the prices would be, but that sounds pretty expensive, doesn't it? >> yeah, it's like a full time, and yet i can't remember seeing any photographs of her that wouldn't have just been caught anyway, by the standard press pack photography. >> yes, exactly. you've got, you've got, you know, professional press taking photographs of you. why do you even need that? but it's, but it's also getting that. that's what everyone does now, don't they?it what everyone does now, don't they? it costs a fiver and get an app and there's apps to do selfie stick. i know. and then it touches you up. it does everything. you don't need to spend this kind of money. do you not know about apps? and is this new to you my friend i did. >> there was a picture of him. i don't know if he's got his own fantasy photographer that follows him around and takes pictures, but there was a pictures, but there was a picture of him and the photographer like a little chain of them, like the cat in the hat. but, he's quite a big hunky fella, is he? i've got a question whether that's whether. yeah, exactly whether the vanity is purely in the photography. >> have you seen photographs of him? have you? >> i've seen a photograph of him. yeah, well. >> well, who does he get to do his ones. >> exactly. that's what i'm. >> exactly. that's what i'm.

>> i see i'm missing so. right. yeah like the hairdresser. >> problem with her, i don't know. it wasn't with him in her, like taken together. >> yeah, yeah, but it's like the thing. you go to the hairdresser across the road who did the hair of the hairdresser here, don't you? so it's like i cannot. >> i cannot do a vanity photograph of this man. >> he's my son. so this is all mixed in with, i mean, i mean, it's basically the honeymoon penod it's basically the honeymoon period has been a bit odd for laboun period has been a bit odd for labour, hasn't it? it should have been an absolute delight and a wonderful time for them. but instead, it's been more like one of those honeymoons where the bride brings her parents along and everything's sort of falling apart. and particularly with money scandals, which is very typical of the labour party. of course, what they're kind of known for is it tends to be money scandals. and we're heanng be money scandals. and we're hearing about lord alli holidays, which sounds like a scheme in itself. what is all of this? it's not quite scandal enough for it to be. it hasn't been given the word gate at the end of it yet, you know, which is when we know it's reached full scandal. but it's all coming together. yeah, yeah, yeah, that'd be a good one, >> i do think it's interesting. i don't know whether this is just mere speculation, but because, rishi sunak called the election when he did, they were expecting to have an election and then go straight into the summer holidays . right. and that

summer holidays. right. and that possibly created a i mean, we had the riots obviously almost immediately after that. and although that was divisive, some people felt the two tier steer clear and all the rest of it, there was at least people recognised it was a serious issue which he had acted on. but there is otherwise there's been a bit of a vacuum into which all this kind of stuff is sucked because we've got a new government, but we want to know what they're about. >> well, they're about and whether it's about hypocrisy or not, which and all of this just feels a little bit hypocritical. hypocritical. i'll just run through some figures. rachel reeves has accepted £7,500 in donations for clothing, and she registered it as support for her office, which i'm not sure why thatis office, which i'm not sure why that is support, but okay. angela rayner has accepted clothes worth 3500 registered donations in kind , which is not donations in kind, which is not what i thought donations in kind meant, but okay, and £17,000 of donations in kind from lord alli since october last year. so that's quite a lot really. and it's, you know, it's really i think it's a very odd place for

them to be with the conference right now because and she's saying that she's been overly transparent, which i'm not even sure what that means. how transparent can you be like? that's not invisible, is it? it's not there. basically have have explored that question of if something's too transparent, you see straight through it, you don't even realise it. it's not even a thing. it's truer than true. >> let's move on to the telegraph and rachel reeves is the counterbalance to all of this expense account. frippery. as of course, reeves is warning us that we're facing ruin, >> yes. rachel reeves talking like a at the moment. promising us pain. pain, pain. but it's all going to be worth it. and this is really preparing us for a raft of tax rises that we're going to see in the budget. and i think it's all being laid down now. and we need to do this. we need to this. we've seen some very curious talk about all this from the winter fuel allowance, which was odd in that it was the very first thing, i think the first thing that labour did when they got in was to talk about cutting pensioners allowance , cutting pensioners allowance, which. rwanda. yeah. well did they do that first. was that okay. rwanda goes and then this

comes in which no one saw coming. i don't think they even knew it was coming themselves. but there was a deal that went on. yeah, yeah. yes well there's talk of it in germany now isn't there. yeah. yeah, absolutely. >> story as well about 1 million people wrongly classed as too sick to work. we've seen this one on the daily telegraph. yeah. it does say that the 1 million people have wrongly classes and basically what this means is that we're kind of fudging the unemployment figures. >> we're doing what to them, we're fudging them. oh, okay. >> these are people. this is it says people who are willing to work, willing and able to work. they're not themselves claiming disability benefits themselves. they're saying that , yes, they they're saying that, yes, they have been sick, but they would like to go back to work. and what this means is, instead of 1.5 million people looking for work in the uk, we've got 2.5 million people looking for work in the uk. so not only are the labour party got all these other problems, they've now increased unemployment by 1 million people in the space of a weekend. i mean, if that's true, 2.5 million, that's that's a significant number of people. that's that's like not that's getting up towards thatcher

tier. yeah it is. and you know, it seems to be a confusion though , between two expressions though, between two expressions of economically inactive and hidden unemployment is the new oneisnt hidden unemployment is the new one isn't it. >> the hidden unemployed want to work but aren't working . work but aren't working. >> so many gradations. it's like it's like unemployment is a spectrum disorder now, isn't it? rather than a sort of are you or are you not unemployed? it should be quite binary, shouldn't it? yeah. well, it would certainly help for understanding the statistics and whether this is the problem. there was a big paper released this week that a lot of people on twitter have been talking about, about britain's productivity crisis and what it rests in and whether it's infrastructure and whether it's building, you know, property and so on. but i can't help thinking a huge amount of it is just, you know , allowing people to sort of know, allowing people to sort of slip through the working at all. net. yeah. and it obviously works in favour of the governing party because if it if it does decrease the unemployment figure by a certain amount because we're all under the impression anecdotally that unemployment is quite low. yeah. and there's, there's, there's actually more

jobs than people. well, certainly just on the sort of premises that advertise visibly like restaurants and hospitality sector seem to be looking for people for shops and that sort of thing. i mean, that's brighton anyway. i don't know. no, it's true everywhere, particularly kitchen staff, chefs and things like that in pubs and restaurants. they seem to be, get them out there. paul they have the, the guardian. they have the, the guardian. they have the, the guardian. they have hezbollah. well, they also have if you don't if you'll forgive me, they also have a story here, which i think is just as interesting. we'll get. okay. sorry yeah. >> is it the hidden life of elizabeth taylor? no, not that one. not that one. >> okay. investigate £600 million covid contracts given under the tories. so rachel reeves will announce today. this is monday, that she's going to order investigations into these £600 million worth of contracts that were given to chums and that were given to chums and that of, tory donors, etcetera, etcetera . now, i guess it's etcetera. now, i guess it's relatively important, but quite frankly, it's ancient history , frankly, it's ancient history, politically speaking. what happens when they discover that,

yes, a few contracts were hastily given , in some sort of hastily given, in some sort of nepotistic way to people that perhaps shouldn't have got them. that helps us not at all with anything that's going on politically and domestically right now. so this is trying to claw back some credibility. yeah.i claw back some credibility. yeah. i suppose conceivably if it was, it depends exactly how nepotistic , how irregular the nepotistic, how irregular the payment was. if it's possible to get the money back, it would be meaningful, right? >> it was called chumocracy. apparently it was. yeah, yeah. the term they gave it. i'm not sure why it wasn't part of the covid inquiry anyway . giving out covid inquiry anyway. giving out contracts for chums. i thought that was that was already there, but obviously not. yeah. i mean obviously that's something that should be looked into and investigated. there is a feeling that with the conference going on right now, that labour desperately want to take some heat off themselves and everything, all the fingers being pointed at them and remind people there was a tory government. so, so possibly it was about can we do a quick mention on the hezbollah one? yes. please do. hezbollah enters the battle of reckoning with israel. i haven't had a chance to read through the whole thing, but basically they're saying that this is now going to be an

open ended battle of reckoning, whatever that means. we're not very sure. but the position now is, is david lammy saying that we need to stop this and ceasefire now? but i'm not sure what these words mean anymore. i don't know why this seems to be like shouting into the wind to try and stop a thunderstorm, and david lammy checked his pager. well, yeah, yeah, but it's never worked. it's never worked . we worked. it's never worked. we can't do it with the houthis. we can't. we can't do it with boko haram. we can't do it with hezbollah or hamas. we can't. or anyone. we can't say russia and ukraine. hey, guys, stop now. it seems so naive. >> i suppose it's important for foreign secretaries to make noises, isn't it? at a certain point, he makes noises. >> it'd be nicer if a foreign secretary showed some understanding of the situation and came up with some ideas about how to approach it, but this doesn't seem to be doing that. >> he's not. he just doesn't have the relevant experience. he's incoherent in the way that he seems to go about things. he it's about winning hearts and minds, and he is nowhere near winning hearts and minds. he can't even please people on his own side of the argument. i think david lammy is potentially one of the worst. home secretaries that we've. foreign,

foreign. foreign secretaries. he's also there , a foreign he's also there, a foreign secretary that we've ever had because he quite quickly is creating a bit of a problem for us. well he went he's waded in that thing with the armenian, dispute, didn't he , remember dispute, didn't he, remember a few days ago, which was so such an unforced error. i mean, apparently, yes , exactly. apparently, yes, exactly. i don't think anyone i would say probably, maybe 1 in 50 voters were aware of the situation at all. now they're aware of the situation purely because of lammy blundering into it. >> and sure, he also said the other day that climate change is a bigger problem than terrorism, which is a bit of an insult to everyone who's died because of terrorism. but i didn't know it was a zero sum problem. you know, we have to either treat one or the other. >> you take one seriously. it's likely to cause the other. but it's a good question whether they're all foreign policy, isn't it? the future is orange. very quickly. this could be the end for david lammy. >> of course, if donald trump gets in, what does it say here? it's one small step for a man, baby, another leap for mankind. trump will say he'll colonise mars with musk if he's president. i don't know if that means that trump and, and musk

are going to go to mars, which a lot of people are going to be in favour of that. >> certainly this is the last thing we wanted to happen . well, thing we wanted to happen. well, those are the front pages sorted in the next section, heat pumps to make an unwelcome comeback. al fayed suns slithered to his defence. how black is kamala harris? we'll see you

and welcome back to headliners with me, simon evans. im paul cox, then kerry marx . we start cox, then kerry marx. we start with the express. you've been non—binary kerry. i noticed that i don't write the rules . we i don't write the rules. we start with the express and unwilling to be outdone, despite not enjoying many perks, ed miliband has found another way to alienate voters. >> kerry. he has indeed. yeah. so ed miliband , who's, on a so ed miliband, who's, on a mission, this is how he describes himself. he's a clean energy superpower mission that he's on, he only needs a cape . he's on, he only needs a cape. really? and people are going off the boil. i might say, about this new idea of attacks. he's not actually a new idea of attacks. it's attacks that the tories try to bring in and realised it wasn't going to work. it kind of came and went very fast. yeah, it's described here. it says more ed miliband madness as labour revives hated boiler attacks. now that's not the name of the tax. it's not called the hated boiler tax. otherwise they may as well call it that. >> bit like the spare room tax though, wasn't it? they always

have a new name that comes along that tells people exactly. >> that becomes instantly unpopular. no, you get a firm no from the country. yeah. so originally the tories tried to bnng originally the tories tried to bring it out to replace, boilers with heat pumps, which are very expensive . they cost, anything expensive. they cost, anything up to £18,000 to install, which is 12 times the average £1,500 charge for fitting a new gas boiler. so the government's infrastructure chief, sir john armitt, said no to that some while ago. it wouldn't and pointed out many reasons why it wouldn't work. but now ed miliband has stepped back in and said this can work , guys, and said this can work, guys, and the way he's going to do it is to insist that companies make the heat pumps. yeah. which the companies are then saying that that people aren't going to buy them at this price. so they're going to have to put up the price of the normal boilers. so effectively, what you end up with is an enforced heat pump charity contribution. when you're buying a when you're buying a boiler. so you'll still have a boiler, but you'll be paying have a boiler, but you'll be paying a lot more for it, so you won't be able to if your boiler

packs in, you won't be able to just go and choose according to the price. >> the price of a new boiler will be artificially elevated. yes, to make the heat pump seem more not even artificially elevated . elevated. >> like actually elevated. yeah, well, no. but for that reason, i know what you mean. yeah. >> by demand. the demand is there. >> yes. in that sense, yes, yes. >> so i am slightly because i'm just slightly wary of the news that it says heat pumps can cost anything up to 18 grand. yes. which is 12 times the average. so they've gone the top . like if so they've gone the top. like if you've got an 18 room mansion that will cost , i don't know. that will cost, i don't know. but there'll also be a load of gasfitters out there going, yeah, well that's just undermine my whole business because it cost me it costs £2,000 or 2500. learn how to do it. if like me, you've got a young lad at home who's wondering what to do as a career, learn how to fit heat pumps. this could be a big, bad idea. or at least build a business that employs people. that does. yeah. our heat pumps. >> the future then. is that going to happen? inevitably, at some point or i think what's

happening here, being a plumber. >> yes, i was a plumber , i don't >> yes, i was a plumber, i don't know, i never have done i don't know, i never have done i don't know whether any of us have any expertise on this, i really don't. they're so resolutely sure labour that they are doing the right thing the whole time. yeah, that they seem to be unable to adapt to public opinion. they don't go with the ebb and flow of public opinion or see is it right to talk about it now? is it wrong to talk about it now? ed miliband in particular, he seems like whatever he is, energy tsar , he whatever he is, energy tsar, he seems to be completely detached from the rest of politics, and it's just pursuing he's going to save the planet, isn't he ? save the planet, isn't he? >> he's definitely on a mission now at some point that that's exactly what he's doing. >> yes, he's been talking about this for years. his moment has come and they are going full steam ahead into any policy, no matter how damaging it could be. and i feel like this is never going to get off the ground. i don't actually feel in the end it will be damaging. i think that, you know, if the market can't afford it, if you if you tell a boiler manufacturer, mattress manufacturer that you now are mandated to build so many of these a year, they will

do they'll find a way of doing it cheaply. but it's not that it's selling them. and if customers can't afford to buy them, you just have piles and piles of heat pumps doing absolutely nothing. it's dystopian. >> i was going to say, yeah, it sounds there's a film waiting to happen, isn't it? soylent green will be a thing of the past, certainly an investment opportunity. >> their daily mail now, paul, and an interesting line of defence from the disgraced harrods boss's son or sons. yes yes. fury as mohamed al fayed son says. allegations that his father raped five of his young, five of his young women in is a bbc plot to distract from hugh, as he calls claims outrageous. i'm not sure that it's a distraction, i mean, it's convenient for the bbc, and lord knows that they'd like a distraction . this comes from distraction. this comes from omar al fayed, he's 36, so he's quite young, considering that his dad died a couple of years ago at 94, and he's an environmentalist and publisher, and he told a friend, i think

the beeb have had this in their back pocket . now, the only thing back pocket. now, the only thing we really do know about the as they brought huw edwards in the only the only the only thing we do know is that huw edwards pleaded guilty to his crime, and he is he is convicted of that . he is he is convicted of that. now, al—fayed is dead and yet to be convicted of anything yet to be convicted of anything yet to be charged. i'm not quite sure what happens now. i mean, i don't want to undermine anything because, you know, there's quite clearly it feels like something very big is building each day. it feels like different components. i don't know how the law would work, but i can't imagine anyone else would get dragged in just by family reputation or harrods. i suppose the question is, if there were enablers , people who knew and enablers, people who knew and actively sort of allowed the rapes and so on to go on, that might have legal. but as a dead man, he has there's no criminal case to be made. i've got to say, i think it's as is the implication of the headline, pretty distasteful to say that this is the bbc, this these are very, very serious crimes. huw edwards and it's not the same

crime. huw edwards was, was guilty of a sickening , you know, guilty of a sickening, you know, a very serious allegations legal transgression. but it's not the same as raping. so it's not a series of rapes. no. there was a point, for instance, just to draw one comparison after the metoo thing in hollywood, they made a movie which was sort of about metoo. at fox tv, it was called blonde bombshell or something like that. it was about a sort of culture in which would be tv presenters were expected to sort of pass the casting couch at fox tv , and it casting couch at fox tv, and it seemed to me that that was an attempt by hollywood to go , attempt by hollywood to go, look, they're all at it. it's not just here. it was on the news networks as well. >> sure, that does happen, right ? >> sure, that does happen, right? this does happen. but the thing is, it no. and it seems extremely conniving. i don't think the bbc, whether they would do something like that , would do something like that, whether they would put it out maybe and say the timing is good, possibly. but whether he's sort of suggesting they're

making up the charges. yeah. for the sake. and that's not just putting out a documentary with this timing to take the pressure away. it's more saying that they're really sort of trumping up the whole thing. he actually says, i think the bbc had this up their back pocket rather than in their back pocket, which is a rather unfortunate wording, but but it's not clear who he said this to, to be honest. he says he has told friends, but were they filming him? why do we know this about. >> but did his friends get in touch? >>i touch? >> i mean, i mean, a son might make that or have this belief about his father, and also because there has been, of course, some allegations and accusations for some time that the establishment have been trying to get mohamed al fayed, so , you know, it's hard to know so, you know, it's hard to know from his point of view that that might be a thing. >> i remember when i watched the episode of the crown, there were several episodes of the crown. mish al—fayed figured, and obviously diana and dodi . it was obviously diana and dodi. it was implied that they knew things about him that meant that he was really persona non grata in royal circles. and he, of course, was constantly convinced that he was being victimised and that he was being victimised and that prince philip in particular

despised him. hence the rumours that prince philip, you know, was, you know, that whole crazy kind of conspiracy theory. but but all being it begins to look as if the royal information, the intelligence they were gathering was, was, was, had some accuracy to this is all posthumous. >> but at the same time it's an important inquiry. >> but at the same time it's an important inquiry . there's important inquiry. there's apparently 100 women have come forward. yeah. i think i think this could be, it's difficult to discuss it. >> i think everything you said was right . >> i think everything you said was right. simon. yeah. good news in the inla, kerry. looks like lots of compensation coming the way of those most affected by the construction of hs2. namely how the train firms. >> yeah, we're talking about around about £300 million in compensation to train firms. around about £300 million in compensation to train firms . so compensation to train firms. so this is train companies that want compensation for losses dunng want compensation for losses during the building of hs2. even though they're soon to be nationalised, which would seem to make the whole thing kind of redundant if that's happening anyway. exactly yeah. yeah. or to each other briefly and then back to us or something. and we're told there's going to be a lot of chaos around paddington for the next six years. particularly at during christmas, apparently christmas is the best time to be building railways. i'm not quite sure

why. why that is. and at the same time, we're also we're being told of lots of disruptions that are coming and that there's a possibility of building an alternative rail service to replace the hs2 that was going to happen between birmingham and manchester, which i don't understand at all, because what they're saying is there was going to be a rail service called the hs2 between birmingham and manchester, which got axed. so instead we're going to replace it with a rail service between birmingham and manchester, which already runs, by the way. it's just going to be there is already a i've done it you can get from birmingham to manchester by rail. >> yeah, yeah, yeah i'm sure i did that once as well. yeah. >> but this is replacing the new thing that's not happening with the new thing that will be happening, which doesn't feel like there's any replacement of the old rails with the new with same sort of width and, well, maybe. i don't think so. >> the hs2 was like, bigger rail is a whole different line. i mean, there is a spokesman here for hs2 that said they were unable to provide the details of the compensation payments or any future estimates as they are considered commercially sensitive. so the fact is we're never going to know what this

costs anyway. and the only thing that hsz costs anyway. and the only thing that hs2 seems to have delivered beyond greater london is disappointment. >> we have time to very, very quickly look at your favourite story from this section. >> is she black? my favourite story? is she black? janet jackson shocking shocking comments about kamala harris heritage. so janet jackson said she's not black. that's what i heard that she's indian and her father's white. that's what i was told. i don't know who told her this. i mean, i believe that's incorrect. i believe that her mother's irish and her dad, what they're trying to do, what the independent are trying to do is suggest that donald trump's sort of insinuating he's got this influence power. >> but the rest of the rest of the article just insists, paragraph after paragraph, that she is definitely black. i mean, they're sure she is black. they've got evidence. but also we don't know whether the lyrics to bob marley's songs. >> yeah, he literally says, yeah, she she can jump in basketball or something, but what's the test, rabbi? but isn't that the sort of thing that, like, racist white people say, yeah, i'm not racist, i've got no , i've got loads of black

heritage. >> we don't know whether janet jackson knows that she's black. they should have asked her that to find out first, get a rough medium on this. >> trump was suggesting that she didn't kind of promote her black heritage. he suggested that she presented as indian and now she's black. whether that's true or not. but it's a slightly different thing from actually. >> well, the thing is, for janet jackson, it's her truth, which we have to believe now. we have to believe women and believe black people, which is a real problem on this one, because which one do you choose? >> it's difficult to talk about, isn't it, because i go along with this theory. i mean , what with this theory. i mean, what do you do? i mean, kamala harris has one, has played the indian card, has played the black card. she is both. she can choose to do whatever she likes. she is she's mixed race. and meanwhile, if kemi badenoch can claim to be working class, kamala harris can be black. yeah, you've hit the half way point coming up is angela rayner a dalek? afobe and what next for the muslim vote? and is the bbc comparable to russia? see you in a

welcome back to headliners. so kerry metro have all the latest bants from the labour party conference and in particular an attempt to reach out to the whovians. >> yes. well i didn't see the speech today, but it sounds like i've missed out because it seems like it was great fun and hilarious. it actually got ripples of laughter, apparently. >> so something i'd kill for. >> so something i'd kill for. >> but to be fair, it's a conference speech. it's not going to be particularly about policy necessarily at this point. it's about getting

applause and getting getting everyone together. so the way she's doing that is by bringing up something that happened a few months ago , with, with kemi months ago, with, with kemi badenoch and, and her comments about transgender and so on. and david tennant's reaction to it . david tennant's reaction to it. so, yeah, a feud with it. she said it was bad enough when they wanted to deal with farage. now she's doing side deals with the daleks. she didn't then add which she should have done. we will misgender you. but she didn't do that, which is a real shame, really. so pronouncing badenoch good writers, but bad enough without making it worse now? yeah, basically it all happened months ago. but but doctor who puns are timeless. so she threw one in. >> i mean, it's a great way of creating like getting yourself on the right side is she's basically thought, i don't know, the british people. they're probably, broadly speaking, more. david tennant. >> yes, yes. so she's trying to push them one way or the other. >> it felt like a comedian who didn't have a segway. she needed to mention the david tennant thing in order to get to her

dalek joke . so it's like the dalek joke. so it's like the dalek joke. so it's like the dalek joke. so it's like the dalek joke came before the david. >> oh, do you think so ? do you >> oh, do you think so? do you think she started off with the dalek? and then she thought, phew , there's a way of getting phew, there's a way of getting this shoving it in there. >> yeah, segway is just terrible. the interesting part of this is she fails to mention he only mentions one side of the argument. there was two parts to that argument, and david tennant actually told kemi badenoch to shut up. yeah, yeah . wish that shut up. yeah, yeah. wish that she didn't exist. >> yeah, that was by a tweet , >> yeah, that was by a tweet, wasn't it? >> yeah. it wasn't. >> yeah. it wasn't. >> he didn't actually say to her no , no, it was at an award no, no, it was at an award ceremony or was it. right. okay. >> and he named her. yeah. yeah. so if you're going to do that again that's a weird award. so naive . who is i mean, i think naive. who is i mean, i think the labour party in particular think that they're almost slightly more religious than god, that they're sent to help the, the uk and therefore they can say these things and everyone will support them. they just don't see the counter to it. somebody should just be stood in the office going, are you sure? do we want to get the dalek? >> i'm sorry, paul, but i don't think god's religious. i'm more

religious than god. i think he's the one person who would not be religious at all. like he definitely would believe in himself, right? >> was christ a christian? but that's another question altogether . i that's another question altogether. i do think that's another question altogether . i do think doctor altogether. i do think doctor who is probably probably replaced christianity as a well, it has to sunday people i never really watched it. i news now paul with a story about the muslim vote, which doesn't seem to regard the very existence of such a thing as remotely problematic. but anyway , no, problematic. but anyway, no, this. yeah, they don't seem to mention that too much in this story . but, this isn't about story. but, this isn't about gaza. that's not what i'm saying to you , simon. this is what the to you, simon. this is what the headune to you, simon. this is what the headline says. why labour risks losing some muslim voters for good. so the muslim vote, which is now known as va, led the mobilisation of millions of voters, which they did do, that saw five labour candidates lose out to pro gaza independence. and we did see this. and, and the gaza, situation appears to be a huge domestic issue for some people. i mean, for me , some people. i mean, for me, it's not a domestic issue at all. it doesn't in any way solve knife crime. stop freezing the

elderly, getting, you know, social mobilisation, getting people into work, all the things that we need to do, children, all these things. so but irrespective of whether i think that or not, there are people that or not, there are people that are very , very, very that are very, very, very focused on the gaza issue and it's winning votes. and i would also add, it doesn't do anything to solve the gaza issue either, does it? really? it doesn't . i does it? really? it doesn't. i was driving from devon to dorset yesterday and on on the side of the a35. i think it was, it just said stop war. no more war in gaza and that's beautiful. and i thought to myself, if only more people read this , why didn't people read this, why didn't anybody just tell us what the answer was and we just stopped doing it? what happens here? and what happens in our parliament makes no difference whatsoever. really it doesn't. we know that because of all the rhetoric from people like david lammy, he's making no difference or headway whatsoever. it's not even making any difference to what americans and american students have been protesting. and there's been big marches in america really does have some leverage over, israel.

but still nothing changes. >> so yeah , it's a worry to see >> so yeah, it's a worry to see one part one policy parties. now, which i'm sorry about to move off something. no, no i agree. yeah. and the question is really it started off being about gaza, but let's say that war stops now. do those parties stay in and what is their new policy. because this is what we're saying here. is it doesn't stop there. but but it doesn't really give us a clue. okay. well what is the next thing then. because this is now a new kind of pressure and particularly on foreign policy, that we haven't had before, it'll be like when stonewall you know, how stonewall decided what to do after they achieved gay marriage. >> you know, they go around looking for the next issue basically, you know, yeah, that's all that happened. their daily mail carry suggestions that banning conversion therapy could be an own goal. that's a rugby based pun. >> it was conversion therapy ban could backfire and stop doctors analysing root causes of patients distress. now this is interesting because this is a un

expert, which we don't normally see experts get involved in this kind of thing in this way. but this is reem al—salim, who's the un special rapporteur on violence against women and girls. and she's warning against a bill which the labour government revealed in its king's speech in july this year. proposals for a conversion practices bill. so that would stop conversion therapy. i think there's a real problem here that we don't really know what conversion therapy is, because i think when we think about it, we think when we think about it, we think about it as something like gay conversion therapy. the past largely done by the church, which involved, you know, whether it was electric shock treatment or tying weights to testicles. but i'm not sure whether that was just a 9:00 news sketch or whether that was a real thing. that's just i've started thinking. i've started believing it was real. yeah, yeah, absolutely, i it's one of those things that in itself it sounds wrong, but then we are talking about young people and whether this law will stop families and doctors being able to have a chat with someone, even to discuss their decisions. if you think about it, we don't

even allow that with assisted dying with old people. we don't let them make a decision that big without a large amount of discussion to happen first. so why we would allow impressionable young people to just decide that they are a different gender and so on is i'm slightly baffled. >> i mean, i have read through this, i cannot quite understand why banning conversion therapy would stop people still being able to access therapy, you know, in which they're able to discuss their dysphoria or however they want to discuss it. i'm glad you said that, simon, because you're a very clever man and i have read this and i didn't i couldn't quite see that ehhen didn't i couldn't quite see that either. it does suggest that this is like a train on a track, and if there are no stops, you basically you if you get on this train, you are converted no matter what. now this doesn't impact me personally. it really doesn't. but i don't think that's particularly important because one thing i do think is important is protecting children . important is protecting children. and a lot of this doesn't really weirdo children. i know it's weirdo children. i know it's weird , isn't it? you can get in weird, isn't it? you can get in trouble for saying, i'd like to

protect children, but genuinely, this does . why? why i still this does. why? why i still don't. maybe because it doesn't impact me personally. i still don't fully understand why we have to act on a seven or 8 or 9 year old child. we simply don't. we can wait until surely they're aduu we can wait until surely they're adult and they can get involved in the process themselves. but of course, and the attempt to brand it or characterise it as conversion therapy was a very cynical thing. anyway, i think he's actually for the very reason that kerry said that conversion therapy in people's minds, was an attempt to pray away the gay and all that. >> yes, it was something medieval and really, really nasty, but okay. >> bbc news now paul and the times slyly suggesting that they are in the grip of a cult of celebrity, something that headliners has deftly avoided, of course. >> well, you're a celebrity. you're being really cutting tonight. you know it hurts. we have feelings, i don't not many. is the yeah. >> none in my head is the is the cult of celebrity eating the bbc. so this is , talking about bbc. so this is, talking about the huw edwards scandal shows that unchecked power, i.e. the talent, is undermining the

corporation. and there have been big controversies in the past of course, not just huw edwards, things like russell brand and jonathan ross, obviously more latterly, gary lineker, emily maitlis , martin bashir, jon maitlis, martin bashir, jon sopel. i'd say he's a problem for them as well. he, he really does get away with a lot. jon sopel well he's on the newsagents now as well isn't he. he's another one of the ones that's left. but the maitlis, sopel and the i can't remember his name, the chap from newsnight as well. yeah they are, they have demonstrated that there was a certain kind of bias, i think fairly fundamentally within the newsroom and do you know what? now they're on their own. fair play now they're on their own. fair play to them. but it does have that. but it says the bbc has astonishingly, power has astonishingly, power has astonishing powers of survival. it doesn't. i see this so often. the bbc has a guaranteed revenue from the taxpayer. if i ran a business that no matter what, got a guaranteed revenue from the taxpayer, i'd have astonishing powers of survival astonishing powers of survival as well. and the sad thing is, i mean, they repeated an advert , i

mean, they repeated an advert, i think it was from the 1980s. recently it was on twitter a lot. it was john cleese in a pub saying, what's the bbc ever done for us? you know, like on the yeah, yeah, yeah. and there's all these people like david attenborough and terry wogan and dimbleby and so on saying, explaining all the progress and it's still incredible. the recognisable people, you know, that , you know that the heart of that, you know that the heart of the culture, they just couldn't make an advert like that. now they've got, they've got virtually they would have, i guess lineker and i don't know who else they would have at this point, that would have that level of recognition. but the i will say i don't i think it is a bit cynical to make a claim that huw edwards has exposed a cult of celebrity. huw edwards was a very high profile newsreader who turned out to have a really disturbing, dark secret. >> well, but he wasn't somebody who was indulged in any meaningful way fairly obviously, russell brand was indulged years ago. >> savile was indulged, you know, and to an extent rolf harris, stuart hall. but they probably knew i don't think there's any suggestion really,

that anyone knew what huw edwards was. >> i think, though, the point they're making is more about whether the cult of celebrity has become more of a thing and whether they give more credence to someone who's got. yeah, yeah , to someone who's got. yeah, yeah, really, which is arguable. i think, you know , bruce forsyth think, you know, bruce forsyth had tremendous power in his time. but but i think back then we kind of believed everyone was wholesome because we just didn't have the social media and everything we have now and all the information and also the temperament has changed in that if there is a scandal like this, then it would have been covered up in the past, whereas now companies just can't risk doing that anymore. so everything comes out fast. >> frank boff . >> frank boff. >> frank boff. >> yes. you don't remember? >> yes. you don't remember? >> frank. >> frank. >> yes, exactly . >> yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> well, you'll always going to get like the huw edwards going to get chucked into this. it was a bit like if you ask who the greatest british, comedians or musicians are at the time, you're always going to get someone . it's from the current someone. it's from the current week. yeah. anyway, let's move on to. well, i think we should probably go to the break now. actually, checking the sign. in the final section, we have taboo busting dating apps and busting in sussex, too. we'll see

and welcome back to the final section of headliners. so we have news now of the new spirit of sexual liberation in ireland, if not downright degeneracy. paul a little bit. yeah. surge in the use of taboo free dating app in the use of taboo free dating app field spell f , double e, l d app field spell f, double e, l d and i'm going to pronounce it

field because i have no idea how it's pronounced. but experts believe people have become tired of typical dating and no longer feel the stigma around different sexual interests, and field allows users to set up a profile as an individual or as a couple. for those interested in ethical non—monogamy, polyamory , casual non—monogamy, polyamory, casual sex, kink and swing swinging. this basically describes people just looking for sex. it's an app just looking for sex. it's an app to find sex, which i don't think is new. no, and it does feel to me like each generation believes they they either invented, reinvented sex or reinvent sex. i mean, they obviously haven't read roman or greek history, but for me, it's not new. it's just we found new ways of describing things . and ways of describing things. and now we've got new technology which enables to access it and all power to it. you know, if you want to, if you , if you as a you want to, if you, if you as a couple or an individual want to go out there and find sex, whichever way you like it, why not? i suppose there is. i mean, what this article seems to be suggesting, although i think it's still slightly old news is that ireland is emerging from the sort of darkness of theocracy that some time ago . i

theocracy that some time ago. i think so, yes, exactly. i haven't, i mean, but there could be a bit of that, couldn't they? >> i'm not sure whether they're just saying ireland or whether this is they're using ireland as an example, but whether it's a general trend that's going on where young people, thanks to these apps and these choices that are available to them now, are being filthier and more fetishy than they've ever been. well, they did. they waited until i got too old to join in with this new fun they're all having. and then they, they sort of like went all crazy on it, but it's, they, they make it sound like it's particularly permissive. i'm not sure where it is. i have noticed that women are far more open and brazen in sexual stories and so on now, in a way that men have stopped doing. i've noticed this occasionally in like dressing rooms and so on, where a woman will just out of the blue, say something like, oh, have you noficed something like, oh, have you noticed my bruises here? it's from having sex in a car. and i never asked you that. and in a way that men used to tell these stories. right. but i think men have stopped? >> it's certainly never happened to me. >> i'll tell you which comedy clubs and who i'm talking about in a little while, i don't know, but the fetish sex apparently

has increased amongst younger people. and i did hear i did read an article a while ago that was saying there was a theory on this, that it's actually to do with this kind of sex allows for an inherent way of dealing with inhibitions and permissions and limits, which actually makes things a bit easier. and so it's not really necessarily full on. it's more maybe maybe it's more game play a lot. a lot of it. >> put it on the form while you're still online at home. i suppose, while instead of actually sort of staring somebody in the eyes and explaining to them that you're into a certain. >> yes. yeah. and not dealing with it at the moment, i guess. >> anyway, there's a rather unpleasant and unseemly events in sleepy sussex that we probably preferred simply stayed on an online form . on an online form. >> yes, keep it online. you're right. the phantom pooper, as he described it, leaves his mark again . we don't want to know again. we don't want to know about that mark, and so this is about that mark, and so this is a guy who apparently climbs on it, but there's one video of him climbing on the top of a garage and, having a poo. and apparently they're making a big deal about the fact that he carries toilet paper around with him. i don't know whether to say yes. i mean, he's bad, but he's not that awful. you know? i

mean, he he crouches over over a garage. this is worse for the person who's trying to park their car, obviously, but he's been spotted a few times and, you know, maybe when he was a child, he wasn't allowed to pull off a garage. and now he's just, like, trying to catch up with all that. there's another one of those things. >> once you get away with it once, it's like james bond, isn't it? in casino royale, you know, the second time is easier. yes let's try. >> and i love the fact that someone says that it's one of the people says he must surely have a reason. what reason could you surely have ? you surely have? >> mirror pool? appropriately enough for the ronnie o'sullivan of gurning, this will probably be the last story. world gurning championships. see record win at face off fight. so this is tommy madison, who we've obviously all heard of. 52 year old. oh yeah, he's won the crown for world gunning championships in cumbria for the 19th time. that is amazing. showing off stark trent staring off stark transformations with his face. now we've all seen gurning. he's saying it's usually done with

teeth missing, isn't it? >> you need your teeth. that helps. yeah, yeah. >> surely you need no teeth. >> surely you need no teeth. >> and preferably no bones. >> and preferably no bones. >> yeah. and then you hold up a big old horse collar. that's a bit, isn't it? those are the stuff he wants to win. 30. and it's made him a celebrity. go and do a quick game for us. you can't do it. >> makes you proud. it makes you proud to be english, doesn't it? cheese rolling and gurning. it's one of our sports we invented that never caught on anywhere else. any american. and the only thing we're good at about exactly what nation do you think would do it better? >> there's a potential. wherever there's a weird choice . i like there's a weird choice. i like there's a weird choice. i like the idea that we could seed one last kind of competition. sport i mean, maybe the olympics for 28. >> i find it funny how this is passed down the family. there's several examples here. my dad used to do it, or my mum used to do it, so now i do it as well. i wanted to be an astronaut, you know, be a genetic element, isn't there? >> yes. the show is nearly over. let's take another quick look at monday's front pages. we have the guardian labour to investigate £600 million covid

contracts given under the tories. the mail now reina hires £68,000 vanity photographer. the daily telegraph. reeves uk must accept hard times or risk ruin. the mirror has. we will get your money back the i reeves urged to not return to austerity as labour faces winter fuel revolt and finally, the daily star. the future is orange. those were your front pages and that is all we have time for. thanks to my guests, paul and kerry, i'm back tomorrow at 11 pm. with josh howie and jojo sutherland. if you're watching at 5 am, stay tuned for breakfast. if, on the other hand, you've been staying with us through the night, other hand, you've been staying with us through the night , then with us through the night, then it is time for bed. off you pop and sleep well. see you soon. take care. good night. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. good evening. welcome to your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . hope you have managed to

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