2019 conference. we've the 2019 conference. we've changed the . party. while he's been protesting, we've been changing the party. that's why we've got a labour government . but government. but. conference. the point i was making is this every child, every person deserves to be respected for the contribution they make . my contribution they make. my sister was a care worker in the

pandemic. she is still a care worker. work that surely by now we know is so important for the future of this country. so wouldn't it be great? wouldn't . wouldn't it be great? wouldn't. it so conference, wouldn't it be great if this was always and also a country where because of that contribution, that vital, life affirming work, she could walk into any room and instantly command the same respect as the prime minister, because those are my values. that is what i believe. and those are the values of the britain that we will build .

will build. what will people get to show for it? they will get a country with its future back renewed by respect and service , rebalanced respect and service, rebalanced towards the interests of working people, confident in its values and story. because together we took action. millions who feel better off without just being told they're better off by politicians going to the supermarket without a calculator because the nation's numbers now add up more money in their pocket to do the things they love more faith in their public services. because once again, labour rebuilt them. an nhs facing the future, more security and dignity at work. town centres , thriving streets, safe centres, thriving streets, safe borders controlled at last. clean energy harnessed for national renewal. new homes, new towns, new hospitals, roads and schools a new future for our

children. that is what people will get. and mark my words, we will get. and mark my words, we will deliver it . people said . will deliver it. people said. people said we couldn't change the party, but we did. people said we wouldn't win. across britain , but we did. people say britain, but we did. people say we can't deliver national renewal , but we we can't deliver national renewal, but we can and we will. we will stabilise our economy, clear out the tory rock , fix the clear out the tory rock, fix the foundations and deliver the mandate of change. a britain built to last, built with respect, built with pride. because together we have shown that britain belongs to you. thank you. conference >> thank you , thank you , thank >> thank you, thank you, thank you. conference thank you . you. conference thank you. >> thank you. conference thank

you . thank you, thank you . thank you, thank you. >> thank you. conference . >> thank you. conference. >> thank you. conference. >> well that was sir keir starmer there with lady starmer. and everyone's probably wondering who paid for their clothes. but anyway, a standing ovation at the end there. >> the labour conference in liverpool, sir keir starmer has to be said playing to the home gallery, getting a very, very good reception at the end there.

so storm has been addressing that labour conference and in that labour conference and in that there was a slight gaffe. he offered homes for heroes, a hillsborough law and demanded the return of sausages from hamas. so the big question is , hamas. so the big question is, was it a banger of a speech, or was it a banger of a speech, or was there little meat on the bone? well, if you just catching up with us, i'll go through some of the top line details demanded offered a hillsborough law a law offered a hillsborough law a law of canada supporting people who have been wronged by institutions such as hillsborough, the tainted blood scandal, and also the post office scandal. a standout line certainly will catch the attention of a lot of gb news viewers , he offered homes for viewers, he offered homes for heroes , promising to home heroes, promising to home british veterans who are homeless after their service, pointing out, of course, how important a career of services that certainly will land very, very well. also talked about turbocharging, home building for carers for domestic abuse survivors . britain belongs to

survivors. britain belongs to them. that got a huge round of applause. that was the second biggest round of applause. the biggest round of applause. the biggest round of applause. the biggest round of applause at that conference speech today was when sir keir starmer said i will never let a minority of violent , racist thugs terrorise violent, racist thugs terrorise our communities. of course, talking about the aftermath of the southport riots and the riots across seven other working class towns across britain. echoing the sentiments earlier on of yvette cooper , the home on of yvette cooper, the home secretary, who was once again calling those riots racist and divisive on immigration, was offering some interesting policy about there would still be the need for immigration. we can't pretend we don't. talking about millions of enthusiastic young immigrant workers are being needed because at the same time, apprenticeships in the skills where we lack are going down. gb news. so gb news gb energy beg your pardon? chris hope of gb news yesterday teased this out

of the conference. it was announced today that that will be based. the future of british energy will be based not only in scotland but the granite city of aberdeen. aberdeen, the home of gb news gb energy turbocharging home building, hillsborough law , home building, hillsborough law, homes for heroes and lots and lots of talk. as you'd imagine about the usual, lots of talk. as you'd imagine about the usual , the usual lines about the usual, the usual lines of 14 years of chaos, working people, the politics and the government of service. fixing the foundations , party first the foundations, party first country, second. populism is a politics of easy answers. i have a long term plan. let's cross live now to liverpool, where gb news has presented a tom harwood joins me from that labour party conference. tom welcome to the show . so, tom, fair, fair to say, show. so, tom, fair, fair to say, received a huge, huge round of applause at the end. apart from the one gaffe about demanding the one gaffe about demanding the release of sausages seem to go rather well. tell me, was it a banger of a speech ? a banger of a speech? >> i think if you were to ask

people in this hall, they would say it was indeed a banger of a speech. although for those that didn't sit through the more than an hour long speech that the prime minister gave, there in the hall that's just in front of me, i think people who only see a clip or two, it might well be dogged by that sausage gaffe. but let's get to on the substance, because really, this was a policy heavy speech. in many ways, it echoed a very famous speech given by gordon brown in the noughties, where he listed everything that the new labour government had done. that speech has gone viral within labour circles in recent years, andifs labour circles in recent years, and it's clear that the prime minister, keir starmer , was minister, keir starmer, was emulating that with the huge list of policies. both things that the government has already done, lifting the ban on onshore wind, introducing a planning passport that they're preparing for or indeed ending fixed term tenancy rental agreements, all the rest of it. he listed one

after another to increasing applause. although i have to say, interestingly, it was the nationalising the railways line that got that first big cheer from the crowd in the hall. it's interesting. it's the first time a prime minister since harold wilson has spoken positively in that way about nationalisation. it's certainly a change for the country and the hall. the party faithful here seemed to enjoy it, and of course i was almost worried that this speech didn't have a protester. we were all expecting it, but right at the end, of course, that came true. and it seemed that the prime minister expected it as well . he minister expected it as well. he had that. i think it's fair to say, pre—prepared line that the protester had accidentally come when he had a pass for the 2019 conference. of course, the last conference. of course, the last conference under jeremy corbyn, i was there, it was full of palestine flags. you didn't see any british flags at all? lots of palestine flags. it was a very strange conference atmosphere. well, this year it

seems that most of the people who were active at that conference, well, a lot of them are actually outside this conference protesting. some of them have made it in. >> and, tom, as far as the reaction from the parliamentarians goes, ed miliband looked a bit glum faced on the front row, but the rest seemed, i think, more relieved that it had gone without incident. there was no mention, no joking about free gear keir, about where he got his clothes from, all that was kind of airbrushed from history, trying to get down to looking for, but still tom harwood quite a lot of looking back, still blaming the conservatives a lot for the mess that the country is in the state wherein there are no easy solutions. tom harwood how much longer can he go on blaming the tories? >> it's interesting, isn't it ? >> it's interesting, isn't it? some of the biggest rounds of applause were those lines where the prime minister said, never again will we go forward with this sort of unfunded spending,

and a whole host of things that he said that the previous government did. he criticised rwanda. he said never again will the government pretend that you can have a deportation policy that doesn't accept legitimate asylum seekers. there was this list of things that he said never again, never again, never again, where you had an increasing sort of rounds of applause. it really does go down well in the hall here. when he criticises the previous government, whether it will go down well in the country is another matter. will that be a sustainable line through to the next general election five years away? well potentially not. they're going to have to start pointing to more policy successes. and it was clear there were lists of policies. there were lists of new policies as well. and this is what the labour party is really going to have to focus on. if it is going to win trust, because at the moment, as you rightly say, there is this air of scandal, this air of sleaze around this

government. you've mentioned the prime minister's suit. i can tell you it's a paul smith suit, i've been told, and lady starmer is wearing edeline lee dress and shoes. haven't been able to work out who paid for them, though. >> stuff. now, can i quickly point out, tom, that there is a tanking popularity in a poll earlier on today, a savanta poll coming out, the pm's popularity has dropped by 28 points, even amongst his own voters at that recent 2020 4th july election. that landslide victory, his ratings have plunged from 71 to just plus 43. that's his own mob. tom harwood today was his own crowd. is that enough, do you think on the bone here to please the people out there who don't seem to have seen any change since labour came in, apart from for change the worse, for pensioners, for free gear, for pensioners, for free gear, for cronyism . for cronyism. >> yeah. it's interesting. he's

clearly trying to shore up some of these issues. so for example, pointing to that new policy on homes for heroes, but not just for veterans, for care leavers, for veterans, for care leavers, for victims of domestic abuse as well. that's a sort of concrete result of building more homes in this country. he'll try and point to policies like this where he can say, this change will deliver this outcome. that's clearly the message that has been tried to get across in this speech, but also a philosophical message in this speech, when he spoke about taking back control, he said that that was an intrinsically labour idea, that the market economy doesn't give you control, that the only way to take back control is that the government has more control. i think plenty of people who voted leave might disagree with him, saying that taking back control is more about individuals having control of their own lives. clearly, keir starmer believes it's about the government having more control. this is a big

philosophical battle that will no doubt grow, and whomever the conservative party pick to be their leader in the next few weeks will no doubt be having that philosophical ding dong over the despatch boxes in the house of commons. but that is certainly an interesting point of view. it's almost like keir starmer, who was once, of course, missed a second referendum. mr arch—remainer is trying to take on that mantle of take back control and almost redefine it as a socialist idea . redefine it as a socialist idea. >> okay. and, tom harwood , there >> okay. and, tom harwood, there was a huge round of applause, as i said there for sir keir starmer, calling out again what he called a minority of violent racist thugs who terrorised our communities, doubling down on the sentiment by the home secretary, yvette cooper, earlier on and tom harwood a lot of people since those riots, while not in any way pardoning the actions of what happened in

those seven towns across england, they were wondering, is there going to be any period of reflection from the labour party, any attempt to understand the underlying reasons behind those riots, any engagement with the communities ? as we saw in the communities? as we saw in tottenham in 2011, that hasn't happened so far. tottenham in 2011, that hasn't happened so far . tom harwood and happened so far. tom harwood and there's little there's little to suggest today that sir keir starmer or yvette cooper are in any mood to listen. >> well, the prime minister did in his speech talk, of course, about migration, saying that migration. well, the government is going to get tough on this. keir starmer's words. but also at the same time talking about training. so i suppose to some way to some extent that is the government's answer on that issue. although they're not changing any of those laws that were already tightened up under the last government, which should see net migration fall fairly precipitously over the course of this year. martin i'm just going to turn to a guest who has magically appeared on the stage here. barry gardiner ,

the stage here. barry gardiner, labour mp. thank you so much for joining us here on the gb news stand. what was your big takeaway from keir starmer's speech? >>i speech? >> i think it was this that, keir's vision for britain is a country where people have self—respect and respect each other. >> and what he talked about was very much this society that's at ease with itself, that knows who it is and that respects everyone in that society because of their contribution. he spoke of his sister. he spoke of the way in which she, as a care worker, should have equal respect to the prime minister. walking into a room, commanding equal respect. he spoke of everybody in society being treated with that same sense of dignity. and i think that's that's a very positive

vision for a society which at the moment is troubled at the moment seems to be more in favour of demanding its own rights than in recognising our collective responsibilities. so i thought it was an important speech in that respect. >> it's an interesting point because when he spoke about that dignity, that respect, that was the moment that a protester, a heckler, stood up and shouted , heckler, stood up and shouted, what about dignity and respect for the children of gaza? >> yeah, yeah, look , there is >> yeah, yeah, look, there is a place for protest in our democratic policy. and goodness me, in the labour party, we are a party that was founded on protest. you know, go back to the chartist movement, the trade union movement, fighting for rights and that's but that's not what keir was talking about. if you respect each other, if you give the other person the dignity that their humanity deserves, then you treat them well . you treat them with

well. you treat them with dignity and respect . and i think dignity and respect. and i think that was what he was about . so that was what he was about. so it was, i also really enjoyed the part of his speech where he spoke about music . yes. it was spoke about music. yes. it was strange. >> he talked about his was it a flute? yes. a flute, yes. >> and very personal to talk about that as a child. how his first trip abroad had been with the croydon philharmonic youth orchestra. yeah. which. but understanding that our culture, cultural values , the arts, cultural values, the arts, something that we excel at in this country are central to his vision of our society. again really important. the music, the universities that we have, you know, we are blessed in this country with an arts, whether it's sculpture, whether it's painting, whether it's poetry and literature and drama, the theatre, whether it's you know, popular music, whether it's classical music. but we have an

incredibly vibrant cultural life incredibly vibrant cultural life in this country. incredibly vibrant cultural life in this country . and seeing that in this country. and seeing that as part of how we as a country can respect ourselves and as he said, have fun . said, have fun. >> was this keir starmer's attempt to appear more optimistic? he's been incredibly dour over the last two months. he's been talking about what a terrible state the country is in. some economists suggesting that that's part of the reason behind the fall in consumer confidence over the last month or so is this keir starmer turning a page on being mr gloomy? >> well, look, he was realistic in this speech. and i think it's good that you have a prime minister who treats the british pubuc minister who treats the british public like grown ups. doesn't try to hide the bad news. >> hang on, he's not treating the british public like grown ups. he's trying to restrict the amount that grown ups can decide to smoke or to drink. i mean, he's bringing in all of these different nanny state restrictions on people's lives.

that's treating people like children. >> all right. okay. so you, i presume, would reverse the legislation on seatbelts. you would reverse the legislation on crash helmets. you would reverse the legislation on the smoking ban in places of work. it's not nanny state to insist that pubuc nanny state to insist that public health is important. that's that's that's not nanny state. it's understanding that there are public goods in which we all share . and actually we we all share. and actually we all have a stake in that because you know, yes, people who smoke have a freedom to do that within limits, but they don't have a license to inflict their smoke on other people. and when they are then putting that burden on the public resources that we have to treat them when they're ill as we must, then we have pubuc ill as we must, then we have public responsibilities, not just rights. and that i think if you remember the start of our conversation was what i said was

so important about keir and if that were true, if it were true that were true, if it were true that you were only talking about externalities, only second—hand smoke by the end of this parliament, there will be adults , parliament, there will be adults, 18 year olds in this country who are not allowed to buy cigarette. >> the next parliament, there will be 25 year olds or 23 year olds. if i do my maths correctly, the ones that aren't able to buy cigarettes, you are phasing in prohibition. there now you might say that's the right thing to do. you might say that's for good public health, but it's certainly not treating people like adults. >> i disagree, i think actually it's what people have voted for and they knew what the policies were that we were putting forward. so you can't say, well, people may have voted for it, but actually they don't really want it. and actually the bulk of people are very comfortable with that. they feel that just as you wouldn't, you wouldn't say, well, we should license all all class a drugs. and, you know, you might say, well, banning class a substances that's not treating people as

adults, actually, it is, but it's also recognising there's something called addiction and tobacco. and nicotine is an addictive substance. just like class a drugs. so you do have to recognise that sometimes the very smokers that you're talking about themselves, what's their biggest wish to be able to give up smoking . well, so better that up smoking. well, so better that they don't get sorry. >> when you sat down here i didn't think we'd end up talking about class a drugs, but to just move on and just finally you had this week. oh very good, keir starmer said once that he had a good time at university. i'm not quite sure what he was supposed to mean by that line, but, just finally there was a bit of a slip in the speech from the prime minister when he spoke about he was trying to talk about he was trying to talk about freeing the hostages in gaza, and he said freeing the sausages. that's gone a bit viral online, a bit of a slip from the prime minister >> i didn't catch that. look that's if that's gone viral

online. it's rather silly, isn't it? taking such an incredibly serious global conflict and problem and turning it into trivia, of course , all the trivia, of course, all the hostages must be freed. and that goes for all the people who are illegally detained in israel as well, so but let's not trivialise this. i think it was one of those moments in the speech where the prime minister got a standing ovation, because he recognised the importance of the conflict in gaza and recognised that actually we need the two state solution. but you don't just say it, you've got to work for it. and he talked about the recognition of the palestinian state, which is absolutely vital. no point in talking about a two state solution. if you don't believe there's a palestinian state, but it has to be in line with the united nations. it has to be in line with what has been set down

in international law. and at the moment, it's not. >> well, barry gardiner, always a pleasure to speak to you. thank you so much for coming on and giving your thoughts on the prime minister's speech. back to you, martin tom harwood. >> barry gardiner, superb stuff. thank you very much. they're great stuff. live from liverpool. now don't go anywhere because sir keir starmer will be hoping that his sausage gaffe is tomorrow's chip paper. i suspect he'll be getting battered for it. stick around and we're back in the studio with my sensational sizzling panel. after this. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's

welcome back. it's 327. joining me martin daubney on gb news now. sir keir starmer has told the labour party conference that there is light at the end of the tunnel, but it will mean short term pain. let's take a look . look. >> this is how the work of

change happens . a decisive, change happens. a decisive, mission led government moving our country forward step by step , our country forward step by step, focused on a long term plan . but focused on a long term plan. but first we stabilise our economy. second, we fix the foundation . second, we fix the foundation. and third, we build with pride and determination a britain that belongs to you . but it will be belongs to you. but it will be hard. that's not rhetoric , it's reality. >> but it was a live speech and sir keir also made a bit of a meaty gaffe. >> i call again for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. the return of the sausages, the return of the sausages. >> now i've done live tv. god knows i've made my fair share of mistakes and they can haunt you. now joining me to react to this is the former editor of the sunday mirror and the very contemporary everyday today political commentator paul connew and the political commentator john oxley. gentlemen, welcome to the show.

let's start with your reaction to that gaffe. will it be tomorrow's chip paper blow away in the wind, or will it haunt him ? him? >> i'm not surprised. >> i'm not surprised. >> it's gone viral and i'm sure when starmer looks back at it, he'll go, but but let's let's not take it too seriously. and rehearsed or not, he came back quite well with the with his putdown of the headbanger protester by saying he must have got the 2019 conference pass . got the 2019 conference pass. >> he certainly did that. now, john, what about yourself? any sort of moments there that particularly stand out before we get into , i think, an get into, i think, an interesting talking point about the more nanny state business. any lines that really stood out in that speech for you? >> i think one of the things that stood out for me was, i think the real passion when he was talking about the riots and really sort of tackling that and what he was talking about, the racist thugs. and that was one of the rare times where we see keir starmer get really animated about something and get really quite passionate. and i think

that echoes sort of yvette cooper and earlier this morning and sort of shows that on that issue, there's going to be a real toughness from the labour government. but also interesting that that was paired with a lot of talk about immigration, a lot of talk about immigration, a lot of talk about the concerns of immigration and starting to see what the labour approach to that issue is going to be after so many years of conservative approach, really failing to achieve anything. >> i agree, i think neither starmer nor rachel reeves are the greatest orators, although that was probably the most animated and passionate i've seen at that at that point, from from keir starmer. but he made he made a lot of sense and i think at the moment the polls are, you know , are looking, are, you know, are looking, looking, looking rough. but that's that's unsurprising in the current volatile political climate. well but they needn't worry too much about about that with, with the majority they have albeit on a 34%. well, but if you look back historically, for example, in 1997, you know,

tony blair was still soaring aheadin tony blair was still soaring ahead in the polls at this point, three months into power. so different time, though, martin. >> different. but you can't just keep saying that the liberal democrat, the coalition, they still had a healthy positive polling. boris johnson was way aheadin polling. boris johnson was way ahead in his polling. they were undimmed after recent change. there's something different about this regime and it was precipitated, i think, by those riots. and i wonder both of you gents, that hard line you were talking about there, john, about these riots being racist thugs, sowing the seeds of division. in fact , cooper, earlier sowing the seeds of division. in fact, cooper, earlier in the day, you know, laying into the conservative party and reform as sowing the seeds of division and that might land well in that gallery in liverpool. it might land well, no doubt with mirror readers, but it won't land well with working class voters in the red wall. i wonder if you're saying it's tuned in. i wonder also if it's a bit tin eared . also if it's a bit tin eared. >> look, look , there was a hell >> look, look, there was a hell of a lot of racism involved

there, but there was also a lot of downright thuggery. for example, a lot of people who weren't racist also. but but what what what justification is there? we have we have pensioners who need advice on the fuel allowances. go to citizens advice bureau. so why why attack and virtually destroy a citizen's advice bureau? why attack a library , let alone attack a library, let alone attack a library, let alone attack a library, let alone attack a hotel for, you know, full, full of asylum seekers asking them why should should the prime minister, should the home secretary engage with those looters? look at the evidence of that in tottenham in 2011. look at that in a lot of in a lot of the court appearances. there are people there who in fact, basically they enjoyed having a fight with the police. it wasn't it wasn't about a political protest because some of the targets, you know , some were targets, you know, some were sent down for two years. >> paul, for facebook posts , >> paul, for facebook posts, others for banging on doors, others for banging on doors, others for banging on doors, others for shouting at dogs . do others for shouting at dogs. do you not understand? and again, this is what i'm saying. it

might land well with the gallery there, but this started with two tier policing. it got on to free tier policing. it got on to free tier free gear care. i'm just saying is this the kind of sentiment that will, that will, that will land well with the electorate as a whole? or is he playing to the gallery? >> well, let's let's wait and see. but i think the polls show support for the tough action that he took. you know , against that he took. you know, against against the rioters , so i'm not against the rioters, so i'm not sure you're right to think, well, hang on a minute, people. it was it was , by and large, a mixture it was, by and large, a mixture of racism and simple thuggery. let's have a fight with the police . it alleviates our police. it alleviates our boredom. >> there was a lot of working class frustration that hadn't been listened to for years. paul john, we're going to return to this after the news, but we have to go to the news now and we'll have lots to come in the rest of the show, including we'll be live, of course, from the liverpool labour party conference with the latest reaction to sir keir starmers speech. but first, here are all those headlines with sophia

wenzler. >> it's 333. these are your headunes >> it's 333. these are your headlines from the gb newsroom. change has begun. that's a message from sir keir starmer as he gave his first labour conference speech as prime minister this afternoon. he outlined a vision for national renewal, including reforming planning , renewal, including reforming planning, ending the doctors strike and launching great british energy, which he confirmed would be based in aberdeen . the labour leader also aberdeen. the labour leader also pledged to house all veterans in need, saying homes will be there for heroes . as well as this, the for heroes. as well as this, the prime minister called for restraint and de—escalation on the border between lebanon and israel. he also defended winter fuel payment cuts, saying every pensioner will be better off. sir keir starmer went on to address the riots across the uk sparked by the southport stabbings . stabbings. >> i will never let a minority of violent, racist thugs terrorise our community. the debate is not about the worth of

migrants that is toxic and we must move beyond it. it's about control of migration. it's always been about control. >> meanwhile, the home secretary says labour is the party of law and order, vowing to crack down on street crime, targeting offenders like street drinkers and shoplifters. opening the third day of the labour conference in liverpool, yvette cooper has pledged to introduce ronan's law banning ninja swords, which earned her a standing ovation . she also standing ovation. she also promised buffer zones around abortion clinics and reiterated labour's plan to halve knife crime in a decade . now labour's plan to halve knife crime in a decade. now in israel, it's now. israel is ramping up attacks on hezbollah and lebanon , with airstrikes and and lebanon, with airstrikes and tank fire hitting militants as thousands flee the region. israel's military chief says the offensive will intensify today after 1600 militant targets have already been struck in just 24

hours. hezbollah responded with rocket attacks on israeli military sites, including an airfield and explosive factory . airfield and explosive factory. over 550 people have been killed so far, including 50 children, as lebanese families pack highways and flee to the south, and commuters are bracing for more disruption as dozens of flood warnings remain in place across the uk, with more heavy rain on the way. some areas have seen more than a month's worth of rain in just 24 hours, leaving homes damaged and roads impassable. a new yellow weather warning has been issued for thursday , stretching from thursday, stretching from nottinghamshire to northumberland , with 100mm of northumberland, with 100mm of rain expected in some areas. those are the latest gb news headunes those are the latest gb news headlines for now. now it's back to martin for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to

scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> thank you sophia. now if you're at home shouting at the tv, why not shout at me instead? let me know what you think about sir keir starmer's speech. go to gbnews.com. forward slash yourself. i'll read out the best of your messages a little later in the show. back to my

welcome back. your time is 340 on martin daubney on gb news. now let's cross live now back to liverpool where gb news presenter tom harwood joins me of course from the labour party conference. so what's the latest from the ground zero there? people still talking about the sausage gaffe? have they moved on? >> well it's interesting , some >> well it's interesting, some people seem to have noticed, others haven't. one party that

definitely has noticed is the conservative party. they've already put out an attack. video on twitter using some music from star wars and the title screen return of the sausages, as if it was one of those franchise films. but in more serious means. we're about to have a policy briefing from keir starmer's team, because this was a policy heavy speech talking about things that had already been done. keir starmer was boasting about the law that ends the ability of people to freely enter into fixed term tenancy agreements. the so—called renters rights, renters reform bill. but he also spoke about ending the ban on onshore wind farms, on building more solar farms. all of the different areas where he believes his government has made a difference. that was a sort of gordon brown like list of policy that got kept being clapped and clapped and clapped, spoke about great british energy being launched, spoke about renationalising the railways. but of course there was lots

there that he talked about doing in the future as well. and that's going to be the political challenge for this government. can they deliver? because certainly at the moment what is swirling this party conference is the scandal quite frankly, the negative headlines that dip in the polls, the sleaze and donations and glasses for parties and all the rest of it. the party can only move past that if it's seen to deliver. that will be the fundamental challenge. certainly should be easy to with the scale of its majority in the house of commons, there hasn't been this large labour majority in the history of parliament. it matches tony blair's majority, a slightly smaller number of mps, but a larger majority because the difference of the size of the difference of the size of the house of commons is a bit of trivia. there but clearly what the prime minister will have to do is put the words in his speech into action. that's what

we'll be watching. that's what we'll be watching. that's what we'll keep our ear to the ground aboutin we'll keep our ear to the ground about in the coming weeks and months. >> thank you, tom harwood, for that update and we'll cross back to you, of course, live throughout the show for more tidbits as you get them. thank you very much indeed. now, i'm still joined in the studio by the former editor of the sunday mirror and the political commentator paul connew, and the political commentator john oxley. gentlemen, welcome back. let's start with you this time, john.i let's start with you this time, john. i wanted to pick up on the idea that barry gordon was discussing there with tom harwood earlier, and that is the nofion harwood earlier, and that is the notion of the labour party being nanny state. we saw about the smoking ban outside of pubs and football grounds, places like that. football grounds, places like that . an idea was floated this that. an idea was floated this morning, been refuted by labour party top brass already in the day, and that is the idea of forcing the pubs to close early on. already a new nickname no been on. already a new nickname no beer. keir to add to his list of names. is there a feeling that we have got this, this sense where sir keir starmer, before the election, said that the

government would tread lightly on your lives now they're in power, seems to be treading rather heavily. >> yes. and you know , ultimately >> yes. and you know, ultimately that's one of the things that the labour party believe in. they believe in lots of government intervention. and also they have a lot of lobbies talking to them, health lobbies, etc, who really push for these controls. and there are quite a powerful force in westminster, whoever's around you. we've seen it in the past with the tories around smoking, but also things like the sugar tax, and it feels very much like a one direction thing within government of these increased regulations. this increased regulations. this increased pressure on public lives and no one really turning around and saying, lives and no one really turning around and saying , actually, lives and no one really turning around and saying, actually, is this necessary or is it proportionate ? and do we really proportionate? and do we really want it? >> and paul, when tom harwood was speaking to barry gardiner, barry was saying, well , barry was saying, well, presumably you want to get rid of the seatbelt law and you were nodding along vociferously. there's a world of difference between wearing a seatbelt in a car to protect your life, and those of everybody else on the road , and being told you can't road, and being told you can't have a pint after midnight.

>> this is going to be an interventionist government, which i largely agree with. not in not entirely, but smoking . in not entirely, but smoking. smoking is dangerous , and the smoking is dangerous, and the cost to the national health service of smoking related illness is immense. if you want to have. well, so is obesity. >> where next? >> where next? >> well, well obesity again should be treated but and should be and lesson should be learned and campaigns launched i think really i don't particularly care . really i don't particularly care. smoking is a really care if people stand in the middle of a field. in fact smoking a cigarette. i don't smoke , but cigarette. i don't smoke, but but you can't have people where they could affect other people and in pub it depends how big a pub, you know, as far as i'm concerned, how big a pub garden is. but if it's a fairly small garden and people are eating food , etc. yeah, but it, i just, food, etc. yeah, but it, i just, i just think we've got to be careful. i mean, it's very easy

for this tory nanny state attack, but there are, there are sensible elements of the nanny state and some which go too far. and i, i agree with most of what barry gardiner said. >> so we're banning outdoor smoking. what next? what we ban cars. we're not banning outdoor smoking. well, no . what are they smoking. well, no. what are they doing then? >> they're banning outdoor smoking in fairly confined areas like pub gardens outside football grounds. >> that's not a pub garden area. >> that's not a pub garden area. >> it depends how how big the pub garden is, doesn't it? you know. >> okay, well, do you think this is the sort of thing really that the public, the electorate want? as i said, my original point was sir keir starmer threatened to tread lightly this is the opposite. it's poking your nose in your in your smokes, poking your nose in your pints next to you, poking your nose in your red meat, your burgers. we've already know they're poking their nose in our cars. this is precisely the kind of imposition that a lot of people feared would happen. >> yes. and most of all, it's a distraction. one of the things

that we see from keir starmer, and one of the things we see everywhere, is all this talk about these big problems that are besetting britain, particularly around growth and wages being stagnant and the country not being rich enough. and part of that is the big drag of regulation, which makes things harder for business, makes it harder for individuals, and really, shouldn't the government be focusing more time on that than these? you know, ultimately peripheral interventions we don't necessarily know if these things do make anything better. they're not necessarily backed by serious science, which shows that they will work, that shows that they will work, that shows that they will save this money. why not back off serious? >> no serious science on smoking. are you seriously saying that there's of course serious science that links it to illness? >> but there's not serious science that shows this particular intervention. you know, reducing the amount of smoking in relatively open spaces will have a meaningful impact on cancer rates across the board. we've got a call time there for now. >> now, these are rule breakers

to be banned from hiring foreign workers under a strict new migration plan. vows to keir starmer. are you convinced he's the man for the job? i martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back and let's cross back live now to liverpool, where gb news political editor chris hope joins me from the labour party conference. chris, welcome to the show. we got to tell us. >> hi, martin. yeah, well, i'm just straight out of that hole with, keir starmer. i was struck by the language on immigration, which seems to have changed. so maybe they're watching gb news overin maybe they're watching gb news over in labour high command saying they do recognise the need for control of immigration. but it's not necessarily a far right issue. there is concerns, of course, no one is allowing or approving or accepting violence, but at least accepting that

there are concerns out there and for the government to admit that you've got those falling people signing up to apprenticeships while rising visas for those same jobs showed this shows us a problem. i've been interviewing yvette cooper just now. problem. i've been interviewing yvette cooperjust now. lisa yvette cooper just now. lisa nandy. and she seems right on the same page as many of our viewers and listeners. so it seems to me there's a chance here. this government is starting to listen to the concerns, the valid concerns of our listeners and viewers. i was struck also by the language on austerity. now we're told by the government, there's no plan to return to austerity, but they're looking at that quote there from, keir starmer. were all in it together. now that was the same quote. the same highlight of a speech given by george osborne at the height of austerity back in 2012. i just wonder whether at some point this labour party, this labour government, may be subject to the criticism. aren't you a tory party in disguise? i've talked to sharon graham, who leads the

unite union. they are furious about this winter fuel payment being removed in november. as our viewers and listeners are, martin, as as you well know. and i wonder whether, despite all that rhetoric, it could be a problem here for this labour government. >> but i wonder if the we're all in it together line. chris tallies with the idea that keir starmer's getting 20 grand's worth of free suits, his missus getting five grand's worth of free frocks. people are still talking about those freebies. that discrepancy between the people in power with their snouts and the trough pretty much the same as the tories and that's a world apart from those pensioners who yesterday were outside crying and screaming in the cold and the rain. chris hope that's right. >> i'm just checking on my phone here. martin, i have asked laboun here. martin, i have asked labour. i'm afraid i had to ask where did lady starmer get her dress and did she pay for it so far? no answer. i'll bring it to you when i get it. i know you're concerned. we are concerned about that because this idea of

taking freebies is an issue. earlier we had the labour mp for south shields on the channel with andrew pierce and she and she told us how she she gives back freebies . back freebies. >> okay. so chris we'll cross back to you throughout the rest of the show for more reaction and staying on the same point as the writing already on the wall for labour's floundering government. while polling legend sir john curtice seems to think so. and he joins me next. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel. but now it's britain's news channel. but now wsfime britain's news channel. but now it's time for your weather. and here's alex deakin . here's alex deakin. >> with a brighter outlook, with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello, welcome to your afternoon weather update from the met office here on gb news should turn a bit drier for most overnight. quite a chilly night across the north before further rain returns to southern areas tomorrow. all the heavy rain from the weekend and yesterday from the weekend and yesterday from this area of low pressure

that has cleared away and it's been much drier today across england, but we have seen further rain coming in across northern scotland with a northerly wind also feeling pretty chilly here. smattering of showers elsewhere but they're tending to fade in many places. as i said, we'll have a dry night with clear skies going to turn quite chilly. the winds coming down from the north, bringing that colder air so likely to see a touch of frost. certainly across the mountains of scotland. towns and cities holding up a few degrees above freezing and quite mild again in the south, where there will be quite a lot of cloud and a bit of a grey start for southern counties of england. there'll be some rain here and there will be more showers coming in across northern scotland. but in the central parts, as i said, temperatures are going to be down close to freezing to start. wednesday should be some sunshine through the central belt across southwest scotland. fine start for much of northern ireland. just a few showers coming into the north coast. quite a bit of cloud early on across parts of northern england. quite a grey start across much of southern england and south wales . generally a dry and south wales. generally a dry start here, but things will

change. as i mentioned at the start, we are going to see more rain pushing back in here as we go through the day spreading across southwest england quite early on and then into south wales later into the south east of england and the midlands. of course, much of northern britain bar the odd shower here and there, many places actually dry and bright for most of tomorrow, but it will be on the cool side. temperatures a touch below average, struggling into the teens further south, a little bit milder, but with the rain it won't feel all that pleasant. and we're not done with the rain. far from it. further heavy and persistent rain to come over parts of northern england, north wales, northern ireland and southern scotland on thursday. there's a met office warning in place for parts of northeast england where that rain could cause some further disruption in the south, turning a little brighter and a little milder. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news

>> hey, good afternoon to you. it's 4:00 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster and all across the uk on today's show, sir keir starmer today addressed the labour party conference and offered homes for heroes, a hillsborough law and even demanded a return of the sausages from hamas. now the big question is was it a banger of a speech or was there little meat on the bone? we'll have full analysis from top experts throughout the show , but clearly throughout the show, but clearly not everybody enjoys the keir starmer speech as he was. as you'd imagine, heckled a pro—palestine protester was ejected after interrupting his speech. and is it time for no been speech. and is it time for no beer, keir well, first we had to tear keir, then it was free gean tear keir, then it was free gear. keir but is it next time for no beer? keir well, because today rumours were rife that labour might close the pubs early to tackle harmful drinking. it is more nanny state

nonsense and top pollster sir john curtice has already claimed that the writing is already on the wall for labour's floundering government, pointing to sir keir starmer's tanking personal popularity and the pm's poor political antennae. later in the show, we'll be joined by the legend that is sirjohn the legend that is sir john curtice . curtice. i demand the return of the sausages, a soundbite which may well haunt sir keir starmer for some time. but putting that to one side, there was a lot of meat on the bone today. a lot of policy came out . homes for policy came out. homes for heroes would no doubt catch the eye of gb news viewers, offering homeless veterans , armed homeless veterans, armed service, veterans homes as well as domestic abuse survivors and young carers. a hillsborough law and also a lot of tough talk. again calling those riots and

those protests across britain as racist, as thuggish . get in racist, as thuggish. get in touch with your views. if you caught the speech, let me know your favourite bits. was it meaty or does it deserve to get battered for it? gbnews.com/yoursay now your headlines. here's sophia wenzler. >> martin. thank you. good afternoon from the gb newsroom . afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's just gone 4:00. these are your headlines. change has begun. that's the message from sir keir starmer as he gave his first labour conference speech as prime minister this afternoon. he outlined a vision for national renewal, including reforming planning, ending the doctors strike and launching great british energy, which he confirmed would be based in aberdeen. the labour leader also pledged to house all veterans in need, saying homes will be there for heroes. he also defended winter fuel payment cuts, saying every pensioner will be better off. sir keir starmer went on to

address the riots across the uk, sparked by the southport stabbings. >> i will never let a minority of violent, racist thugs terrorise our community. the debate is not about the worth of migrants that is toxic and we must move beyond it. it's about control of migration. it's always been about control. >> meanwhile, the home secretary says labour is the party of law and order, vowing to crack down on street crime targeting offenders like street drinkers and shoplifters. opening the third day of labour conference in liverpool, yvette cooper's pledged to introduce ronan's law banning ninja swords, which earned her a standing ovation . earned her a standing ovation. she also promised buffer zones around abortion clinics and reiterated labour's plan to half knife crime in a decade. she went on to condemn riots in southport after the deaths of three girls, calling the

violence a disgrace, and slammed the conservatives as right wing wreckers who sow division. >> so don't anyone tell me that was protest. don't anyone tell me that was about immigration or policing or poverty. plenty of people have strong views on immigration, on crime, on the nhs and more. but they do not pick up bricks and throw them at the police. they do not set light to buildings with people inside. >> it was arson. it was racism. it was thuggery. it was crime . it was thuggery. it was crime. >> and there's been disruption at the labour party conference, as two youth demand supporters spray painted the words genocide conference at the entrance. the protesters calling for an arms embargo on israel and a halt to new uk oil and gas licences, were arrested after being tackled by police. the incident happened this morning outside the security check in at the conference in liverpool . now in conference in liverpool. now in other news, the defence

minister, john healey, is expected to chair an emergency cobra meeting to discuss the escalating crisis in the middle east. while the prime minister has called for restraint and de—escalation. it comes as israeli airstrikes continue to hit hezbollah positions , hit hezbollah positions, including missile launchers and weapons depots. at least 550 people, including women and children, have been killed so far in lebanon's deadliest 24 hours in decades. half a million people have fled southern lebanon airlines have cancelled dozens of flights, and lebanese hospitals are overwhelmed with more than 1900 wounded. the uk and us have both now advised nationals to leave the region. now back in the uk, the government says securing an agreement with striking nurses is an essential step to restoring public services after they turned down a 5.5% pay rise. two thirds of royal college of nursing members voted against the deal, in a record

turnout of 145,000. labour minister pat mcfadden insists the government understands the challenge of balancing public spending while trying to treat workers fairly. >> prospects for the country are great. britain's a great place in which to invest and if we can get that message out and get that going, then we can generate the wealth that we need to make people better off and to fund the public services that we all depend on. and the two parts to that story are going to be at the heart of the prime minister's speech this afternoon. >> however, shadow health secretary victoria atkins claims the labour government has lost control of the public sector pay- control of the public sector pay. she told us the pay rise given to junior doctors could have repercussions for nurses and other healthcare professionals. >> it would have impacts on other healthcare professionals, including nurses and midwives, who would ask quite reasonably well what value does this government put on us? and we are now seeing the longer term

consequences of that short term decision he made in july to award that inflation busting pay rise to junior doctors with no reform such as i had with consultants, no improvements to productivity. and sadly, we're now seeing the ramifications of that. >> those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to martin for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> thank you sophia. now what a lot of meaty politics we've got to tuck into today. let's get stuck in. so keir starmer has been addressing the labour conference and offered homes for heroes a hillsborough law, and also demanded the return of sausages from hamas. let's take a look . a look. >> i call again for an immediate

ceasefire in gaza. the return of the sausages . the sausages. >> so the return of the sausages. the big question now is was it a banger of a speech or was there little meat on the bone? well, later on in the speech, he was also interrupted by a pro—palestine protester got a pass from the 2019 conference. >> we've changed the . party. >> we've changed the. party. >> we've changed the. party. >> well, it may have been a pre—prepared joke, but it hit the spot because sir keir starmer laughed off the minor interruption and said that this chap has a press conference to the 2019 conference. that was a dig, of course, at his predecessor, jeremy corbyn. now, moments after the speech, our political editor christopher hope accosted some top labour politicians and asked them about some of the policies the prime minister announced he was having a very honest conversation with

the public, both about the difficult economic decisions that we're going to have to take in the short term to improve their lives in the long term. >> but also about the problems that have been ignored and overlooked. far too many times it spoke very directly to me. the part about immigration, because in wigan there are lots of people who are concerned about uncontrolled immigration. they're not racist, but they do want to know that we have a plan and that means accepting people have valid asylum claims and welcoming to this country. have valid asylum claims and welcoming to this country . and welcoming to this country. and it means getting a grip on the huge asylum backlog, making sure that those claims are processed fast and that people are returned if they don't have a right to be here. >> well, we've been clear that net migration needs to come down. it has trebled over the last few years. and, you know, that's been driven by a huge increase in overseas recruitment at the same time as training has been cut. so what you heard keir starmer saying today is net migration must come down as training for our young people and the kind of skills and opportunities needs to increase. >> and yeah, it was a very emotional moment for myself and

the mayor of liverpool, steve rotheram . rotheram. >> we exchanged a look or two because we launched the hillsborough law now campaign in manchester actually, a couple of years ago, and it's built to this day. it's not us, it's the people of liverpool supported by everyone in the north west who's taken this . taken this. >> lisa nandy there and yvette cooper sounded very much like they've been watching gb news something has sunk in and moments ago, tory leadership contender tom tugendhat reacted to the speech and he had this to say, look, that was a banger of a speech, but he can't even cook up a decent line. >> i mean, the problem is he's really made a complete hash of it, hasn't he? and none of it's worked out at all. all he's done is he's demonstrated the arrogance of somebody who simply can't deliver. frankly, he's fried the whole thing in bananas and made a complete mess of it. >> and i wonder how many more puns we're going to be able to get in before the day is out about chip shops. let's cross live now to liverpool, where our political editor, chris hope, joins me live with the labour mp lucy rigby. chris, what's the latest reaction on the ground

there to sir keir starmer's banger of a speech ? banger of a speech? >> i couldn't quite believe tom tugendhat attempt to make an entire three course meal out of saying the wrong words sausages or sausages on air with me now as lucy rigby from northampton nonh as lucy rigby from northampton north mp, newly elected. hi chris, is there a problem? i mean, i was in the hall. all the applause meant i couldn't hear what you were saying. so on tv he was saying the word sausages, not hostages. >> yeah, look, i didn't hear it in the hall. if he did, it's clearly a slip of the tongue. but otherwise, chris, there are plenty of other bangers in the speech that hopefully, hopefully we're going to come into. yeah, yeah. >> he seems to have had some kind of conversion. on the issue of immigration, he recognises there are concerns about it, an issue we've been talking about a lot on gb news for our listeners and viewers, what prompted this? >> i think he's always recognised that there are concerns about immigration, as there are across the country. and i speak to plenty of people in northampton who've got concerns about immigration. but what keir, the prime minister, was talking about today was linking migration policy to skills, which is really obviously what we need to do.

working with the migration advisory council to do that and fill the skills gaps and to hear that there's some fall falling off in apprenticeships at the same time as visas granted for those jobs are going up. >> there's clearly something not working in the system, isn't it? >> well, because he was the prime minister was talking about apprenticeships today and this new foundation apprenticeship, which i was really pleased to hear about. the skills agenda is clearly, absolutely integral to growth. but look, overall i think this is a really passionate, determined speech from the prime minister setting out the better britain that this labour government is going to going to build. and there was plenty in there that my constituents in northampton nonh constituents in northampton north will want to hear about. so better public services, a growing economy, rising living standards, giving people more money back in their pocket , money back in their pocket, people. that's what people want to hear about. >> he mentioned that we all want lower taxes, but that's not going to happen in the budget. on october 30th, is it? >> well, he was talking about giving people more money back in their in their pocket. and if we can, you know, make energy bills lower, we can do things that help on the cost of living

crisis, grow the economy and raise living standards, and that will give more people more of their own money back to spend. >> do you worry that you might be accused of being the tories in disguise? now, i say that because you're cutting benefits for 10 million pensioners, he said in his speech there that we are all in it together. that's exactly the language used by george osborne in the 2012 conference. the tory party at the height of austerity. so he says on the one hand, we're not going towards austerity, but on the other hand, he's talking the language of the tory party >> i'm not worried that we're anything like the tories and we're just frankly not. i mean, when george osborne said that we're all in it together, the irony was that we really, really weren't. and people got that. we weren't. and people got that. we weren't. that's why it was such a ridiculous thing. >> either you're taking benefits away from pensioners and you're some of your colleagues are getting free clothes. >> well, no, we're restricting the winter fuel allowance to people on pension credit. and that's you know, that's what that's you know, that's what that's what we're doing. but we are all in this together. this is going to be you know, this was the subject matter of the prime minister's speech today. he's giving everyone a stake in

this new, better britain that we're building. >> is the government now moving past the row about donated spectacles and clothing and should it should the people who receive freebies give them to charity? emma lewell—buck, your colleague in south shields. she gives all the things she gets to charity. >> i think we've moved past that and i was really pleased that today, as i said, the prime minister's were now talking about the things that really, really matter to my constituents in northampton north. and when i go out knocking on doors, as i have done since the election, obviously did it all throughout the election and the two years before that as well. what people talk about is that, you know, the grandmother that's had her hip operation cancelled twice because of the, you know, the shortage of doctors, the nhs waiting list being as they are, the fact of, you know, the standards in our schools, this is what people talk about. they're not, you know, that's what they want to hear about those need fixing. >> do you worry about the nanny state going too far with this? government reports today that pubs may close early to stop us drinking so much, banning smoking or vaping in pub gardens. are you comfortable with those policies? >> i think i don't worry about us being a nanny state. i'm just i don't think that's where this

labour government is. i don't think that's the direction that the prime minister or the secretary of state for health want to take us in. >> and what's the main message coming out from the hall today? one of service. he kept talking about that and country before, before, before party. >> yeah, definitely. definitely country before party. and we've had 14 years of the tories acting in a narrow party interest. that gave us short termism, weak investment, anaemic growth in the economy and this is a government that's talking about the national interest and growth in our economy, rising living standards. but look, i thought today it was it was a really passionate speech, but it was a really determined speech as well, because the prime minister was saying that some of this stuff's not going to be easy, but there's light at the end of the tunnel, and we're going to get there. >> and we're ten weeks into a five year government or 4 or 5 year government, net migration. he wants to control that. bring it down. what numbers are you happy with? tens of thousands. >> i don't think we've put a number on it. i don't think i know you haven't. >> that's why i'm asking. >> that's why i'm asking. >> i do, i'm not going to put a

number on it right now. you can go on. i know i can't, and i and i won't. i go on. i know i can't, and i and iwon't. i don't go on. i know i can't, and i and i won't. i don't think that's sensible. the sensible thing to do is to look at the skills gaps and link migration policy to skills. and i think that people, if you ask people across my constituency, that is what they would say is the sensible thing to do. >> well, lisa ruby, thank you for joining us today on gb news. forjoining us today on gb news. and there you have it, martin. they're quite relaxed here. the new labour mps, they think that they're their leader has done pretty well there. he has stood out a new prospectus on immigration. but also the language of the tory party. back in 2012 that will ruffle the feathers of some of those here. >> and chris, we've had some very amusing reaction from our gb news viewers here saying, first, it's no beer. keir then he wants the sausages returned. how long before that happens? in my local chip shop, chris hope, thank you very much. excellent as ever. there. we'll cut back to you later in the show. of course. now let's get some more reaction on that keir starmer speech. did he look confident delivering his major keynote speech this afternoon in liverpool? well joining me now is the body language expert darren stanton darren welcome to

the show. so you make a living out of out of micro analysing the body language of people when they give speeches. so keir starmer of course not renowned as being the most natural orator out there. he's no tony blair that's for sure . started this that's for sure. started this speech today very, very nervous on the back foot about the free gean on the back foot about the free gear, about the winter fuel allowance, about cronyism. tell me, darren, how do you think he performed? >> i don't think he was as confident as he would like to have been. >> the first thing that struck me in the first sort of 10s of the speech was the fact that he had what we call a masking smile, and that's almost like a disingenuous smile, which is masking nerves and lack of confidence. and the way we see thatis confidence. and the way we see that is the bottom half of the face was smiling. but we're looking for something called crow's feet or laugh lines. and that they're engaged when someone's actually displaying a genuine emotion. so in my mind, straight off the bat, he wasn't feeling that confident , straight feeling that confident, straight away of delivering . away of delivering. >> and do you think he was, soon

back on home turf, though? i mean, this this was about an easier speech you're going to get right? it's like making a best man speech. it's a room full of people who support you. it's a room full of people who are waiting to laugh at your first joke. it's about as easy as it gets on that basis. do you think he did well, or do you think he did well, or do you think he did well, or do you think he was pretty lacklustre? >> i think, well, that's that's actually a word i used earlier on in the interview, i think look, as you've already touched upon, this is a man that is never going to have the charisma of somebody like, you know, barack obama, for example. he was a great orator, so i think he started off relatively at a good pace, but for me, it went downhill quite rapidly, you know, he's he's he's quite slow in his speech. i think he's almost like being caught again. so i think a lot of the, the, the ways he phrased things, the same old kind of tired phrases bnng same old kind of tired phrases bring it together and, you know, country, country first. we've already heard it all before. another thing i noticed is that i think the thing for me was that the most genuine parts of what he said was when he was talking about family, because one thing we look for is an

emotional shift, and he went from looking at the audience to looking down and right. so that tells me, obviously, when he went off on a tangent about going to the lake district, that was kind of quite emotive for him. but i think everything else for me didn't really hit what it needed to hit. and you may have got a four standing ovations, but i don't think the electorate have kind of been sold on it personally. >> and darren stanton, he managed to get through the entire speech without making reference to his dad being a toolmaker. no doubt a lot of the electorate and the viewers were sighing a sigh of relief. no doubt a lot of people in the hall were too, he then went off on a bit of a ramble about him playing the flute and being into music when he was a kid. darren is that a typical reaction for somebody who's a bit nervous? they they start waffling about stuff which might seem important to them , but really the audience to them, but really the audience is rolling their eyes and going, what's this fella on about? >> absolutely. i think it's an anxiety to communicate and to connect with the people you're talking to. and as you said, i

think sometimes people can kind of lose their thread and go off a completely different tangent. so i do feel that he was suffering massively from nerves. and yes, you know, we're all human, but in that key position you would have expected better. really >> and also, i think you're right, darren, to make out to, to reference to the constant referral to those soundbites, which i think a lot of us know, those are the emotional props of somebody who's feeling a bit nervous. right. so we had 14 years of chaos. i think about six times working people endlessly on repeat. politics, a government of service. it's like, how many times are we going to hear that? that's the new brexit means brexit fixing the foundations party first country second. populism is a politics of easy answers. we've got a long term plan. all of these darren stanton are props, aren't they? of people who are nervous, they're forgetting their way. and so they rely on these crutches to get them through to their next point. >> absolutely. and so their

default kind of safety steps, if you like. i mean, i assess i've assessed every head to head debate, for example, since 2010, you know, we've seen a certain tells and gestures and other politicians, but i think certainly with with the speech today, i think it's probably one of the worst i've seen. >> wow. so, darren stanton, you're an expert. so judging on the delivery, the tone, the content. pitch perfect marks out of ten for keir starmer today , of ten for keir starmer today, >> probably 4 or 5. >> probably 4 or 5. >> are you feeling generous there, darren stanton. beautiful. thanks for joining us.body beautiful. thanks for joining us. body language expert darren stanton. thank you very, very much. very i love that sort of really really interesting. thank you. now home secretary yvette cooper today slammed the riots as racist thuggery. but will this really help to unite the nafion this really help to unite the nation or actually is that sowing the seeds of division? i martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. your time is 425. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. the home secretary, yvette coopen the home secretary, yvette cooper, today slammed the riots, recent riots as racist thuggery and claimed that both the tories and claimed that both the tories and the reform party are right wing wreckers who sow division. so does such combative talk really help national unity, or is mis cooper the one sowing division ? well, i can now speak division? well, i can now speak to our home and security editor , to our home and security editor, mark white for some more reaction to that. mark, welcome to the show. i've got to say, a lot of people today were hoping we would encounter a labour party in a more receptive mood to try and get to the root origins of some of the frustrations people felt . and frustrations people felt. and instead we have this doubling down of a quite aggressive sentiment from both the home secretary and then that's picked up secretary and then that's picked ”p by secretary and then that's picked up by sir keir starmer, the prime minister, racism,

thuggery. and there was no mood whatsoever to listen to the pubuc whatsoever to listen to the public about that. >> yeah, it was interesting to listen to christopher hope. there clearly is on the part of the government, an acknowledgement of some tensions in communities around mass migration and a determination, we're told, from the government to get those levels of net migration down. but then to use both the speech of the home secretary and indeed the prime minister to double down on their claims that the protests that turned to riots and saw, of course, hundreds of people arrested before the courts, many of them jailed, was all down to a minority of racist, far right thugs. i think is just too simplistic. it doesn't really explore or acknowledge the real tensions that have been simmering in these communities

for many years. over in particular, the issue of illegal migration and those coming across in small boats, but having said that, you know, that was still what yvette cooper and indeed, sir keir starmer were determined to hammer home. have a listen to what yvette cooper said in part of her speech . said in part of her speech. >> so don't anyone tell me that was protest. don't anyone tell me that was about immigration or policing or poverty. plenty of people have strong views on immigration, on crime, on the nhs and more. but they do not pick up bricks and throw them at the police. they do not set light to buildings with people inside. >> it was arson . it was racism. >> it was arson. it was racism. it was thuggery . it was crime . it was thuggery. it was crime. >> you see, my issue with that is that that goes down very, very well at the labour party to conference a home crowd. but a lot of people will be watching

this looking for the future direction of the government and mark white how many times have you and i spoken about the fact that the labour party reacted very, very differently in 2011 when we saw the riots in tottenham ? yes, they came down tottenham? yes, they came down hard on the rioters. then to 24 hour courts, as we saw post southport. but there was more of a receiver mode about. let's try and grasp why people felt frustrated. seven of the most depnved frustrated. seven of the most deprived towns in britain mark white. as you know, experienced those riots for good reason . those riots for good reason. they also had the highest proportion of asylum seekers across the united kingdom. people felt that they weren't being listened to. they felt they were being treated like racists and like thugs. and now it's carrying on. mark >> yes. listen, there is no doubt that those that caused violence, that torched buildings and the like, that's got to be condemned. but anyone that knows about public order situations and the way these situations can

evolve. yes, of course , there evolve. yes, of course, there are always agitators, those that are always agitators, those that are spoiling for a fight in any pubuc are spoiling for a fight in any public order situation, but they can never get the critical mass to turn into a riot unless there are many people on the streets and the many people on the streets were people in those communities, people who were very angry and concerned about all of the issues that we've just spoken about that have been simmering for years, and yes, they can get caught up in the event never meaning to set out to actually cause trouble, to take part in a riot and they get caught up in the moment it's to be condemned, but as i say, to come down with a simplistic interpretation of it, that they are all far right and they're all racist is just wrong. when actually these communities also need to be listened to. and it's rather schizophrenic in a way that you got in the same speech, the government acknowledging that there are clearly serious

concerns across the country at the levels of net migration. >> and mark, there are a few platitudes today about, you know, we acknowledge that we need to get immigration down, talks about apprenticeship numbers falling at the same time as immigration visas being granted for certain skills. that might give us an idea of some policy to come, but there's nothing concrete today. mark white about border control, no concrete policy about anything that's going to be done about it. so a speech in that respect, an immigration high on rhetoric, little on detail . little on detail. >> well, again, doubling down, martin, on the issue about going after the criminal gangs. and we saw at the weekend arrests of 31 people were told that were unked people were told that were linked to people smuggling operations. but these kind of arrests, this law enforcement taking place in the uk and indeed overseas, was happening under the conservative government as well. there's

nothing that i've seen that tells me at this early stage anyway, that there is a massive effort to go after the people smugglers just yet . okay, to be smugglers just yet. okay, to be fair to the government, we are less than three months in to the new labour government, but there will only be so much time that people are to prepared give sir keir starmer and his government to get the levels of illegal crossings or, as they call it now , irregular crossings of the now, irregular crossings of the engush now, irregular crossings of the english channel down and stopped before there will be serious criticism of this government if they don't bring them under control. >> thank you mark white. and to just repeat, one of the biggest rounds of applause that sir keir starmer got today was echoing the sentiment of yvette cooper. i will never let a minority of violent, racist thugs terrorise our communities. thank you very much. mark white. excellent as even much. mark white. excellent as ever. thanks for joining much. mark white. excellent as ever. thanks forjoining us on ever. thanks for joining us on the show now. moving on. still lots more to come between now and 5:00. is the rioting already

on the wall for labour's floundering government ? that's floundering government? that's next with the one and the only pollster, sir john curtice. next with the one and the only pollster, sirjohn curtice. but pollster, sir john curtice. but first, it's time for your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> it's 432. these are your headunes >> it's 432. these are your headlines from the gb newsroom . headlines from the gb newsroom. change has begun. that's a message from sir keir starmer as he gave his first labour conference speech as prime minister this afternoon. he outlined a vision for national renewal, including reforming planning, ending the doctors strike and launching great british energy, which he confirmed would be based in aberdeen. the labour leader also pledged to house all veterans in need, saying homes will be there for heroes. he also defended winter fuel payment cuts, saying every pensioner will be better off. sir keir starmer went on to address the riots across the uk, sparked by the southport stabbings. >> i will never let a minority

of violent, racist thugs terrorise our community. the debate is not about the worth of migrants that is toxic and we must move beyond it. it's about control of migration. it's always been about control . always been about control. >> but the speech didn't go completely smoothly, with the prime minister making an embarrassing gaffe when referring to the return of hostages in gaza, he said sausages instead , i call again sausages instead, i call again for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. >> the return of the sausages. >> the return of the sausages. >> that was a banger of a speech. but he can't even cook up a decent line. i mean, the problem is he's really made a complete hash of it, hasn't he? and none of it's worked out at all. all he's done is he's demonstrated the arrogance of somebody who simply can't deliver. frankly, he's fried the whole thing in bananas and made a complete mess of it. >> conservative leadership candidate tom tugendhat speaking there. now the defence

secretary, john healey, is expected to chair an emergency cobra meeting to discuss the escalating crisis in the middle east, while the prime minister has called for restraint and de—escalation. it comes as israeli airstrikes continue to hit hezbollah positions, including missile launchers and weapons depots. at least 550 people, including women and children, have been killed so far in lebanon's deadliest 24 hours in decades, half a million people have fled southern lebanon. airlines have cancelled dozens of flights, and lebanese hospitals are overwhelmed with more than 1800 wounded. the uk and us have now both advised nationals to leave the region . nationals to leave the region. those are the latest gb news headunes. those are the latest gb news headlines . more in half an hour headlines. more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts

>> welcome back . it's 438 on >> welcome back. it's 438 on martin daubney on gb news now. newly elected governments usually enjoy an electoral honeymoon, but is it already over before it's begun for sir keir starmer's labour government? well pollsters are saying that the writing is already on the wall for his floundering government, and that's despite the cheers he got dunng that's despite the cheers he got during his speech at the labour party conference earlier on today. well, joining me now is the professor of politics at the university of strathclyde , sir university of strathclyde, sir john curtice. sirjohn, always an absolute pleasure to have you on the show. so you wrote an excellent piece in the telegraph yesterday evening called the writing is already on the wall for labour's floundering government. you talk about sir keir starmer's lovelace landslide already evaporating away. tell us more .

away. tell us more. >> yeah, i think to some degree you're quoting the headlines rather than necessarily what i wrote. but anyway , the crucial i wrote. but anyway, the crucial i was making two crucial points that perhaps are underappreciated. the first is that despite labour's very large parliamentary majority , they parliamentary majority, they only got 35% of the vote outside of scotland . their share of the of scotland. their share of the vote barely increased, and it looks as though the principal motivation as to why voters voted for them is not because they had fallen in love with laboun they had fallen in love with labour, but rather they were keen to get rid of the conservatives. and at least in constituencies where labour were starting off, certainly the conservatives, that is what they did. but that does therefore mean that there is a relatively small section of the electorate that are out there willing this government to succeed. most people didn't for vote it, and therefore we shouldn't be surprised that the public perhaps begin to regard it fairly critically, relatively early on. that's point one. point two is that sir keir

starmer has never succeeded in making himself popular with the general public. that was true all the way through up to polling day. it was then true after the election. he got something of a bounce in the wake of his electoral success, unsurprisingly. but what we've discovered is that in the course basically of two months is that his numbers have returned to, at minimum, no better than they were before the election. if, according to some pollsters , according to some pollsters, slightly worse. and then you have to ask yourself, well, what's the problem here? well, the problem here, i think, is that what the last few weeks have revealed is that some of the weaknesses that probably underlay those relatively poor ratings for sir keir starmer before the election have also now been exposed very clearly afterwards , weakness number one afterwards, weakness number one is that he does find it difficult to lay out a narrative or to do the vision thing, to give a sense of direction as to where his party is going to go in the election. he was about change. it was at the beginning of this conference change, big

change begins. well, now, apparently change has begun. now to give him credit, in his speech today, i think he got himself a strapline which is britain belongs to you. the question is whether or not he laid out enough in that to begin to generate a deal of excitement about his premiership, because in many respects the speech today was about, well, i'm going today was about, well, i'm going to provide you stable government . to provide you stable government. yes, you're going to be a bit better off. the public service is going to work. but it wasn't necessarily there with the tone of excitement we will have to see. point one is anyway, so far not a popular politician. surprise surprise. as prime minister, he's not a popular politician. number two is his political antennae are not always adequately sharp. and we've seen that after the election in the way they failed to pick up quickly enough, the fact that the various gifts of hospitality and clothes, etc, whatever the rules say, were not going to be a good look, particularly given of course, the labour party fairly mercilessly attacked the labour,

the conservative government, for allegations of sleaze when they were in opposition , and also the were in opposition, and also the particular political antennae , particular political antennae, not only out of tune with the nation, but his own party in particular, >> the cronyism scandal, which seems to have been there's no change. there's continuity with the labour party and the free gear scandal. now they're all the same. they've all got their snouts in the trough, and then we saw yesterday, sir john, outside the labour party's own conference, a protest from unite, the biggest supporter, the biggest union around the winter fuel allowance. a lot of people, even within the labour party electoral circle, think that's a very conservative type austerity. george osborne, quite mean spirited policy and a poll out today putting starmer's personal popularity is plunging from 71. >> yeah i mean further evidence to add to what i've already talked about, i mean, i think

the problem with the, with the, with the cronyism and the and the gifts, etcetera, is that, of course, sir keir starmer said i'm going to improve trust. we are going to keep to the rules. and the problem is therefore, is that inevitably this is given both conservative politicians and journalists quite reasonably, an opportunity to test the government on that criterion in much the same way as when rishi sunak, when he first became prime minister, said i'm going to provide you with integrity. and then there were question marks about how far he succeeded. the honest truth is the advice to politicians of all stripes is not to set yourself up as necessarily holier than thou, because it nearly always becomes unstuck. and that is the risk that sir keir starmer has taken on on the winter fuel allowance. well, i mean, certainly this is one of the reasons why people have been complaining that this government has come up with lots of bad news, that it's not entirely clear that this

particular cut was necessarily the only solution to the 22 billion, problem that the government claimed there was in terms of the finances this year. indeed, it only saved just about over 1 billion. and indeed, it only saved just about over1 billion. and again, that's a question, therefore, again, of the politics, at least not necessarily looking right. i think what we have to understand about sir keir starmer, he was talking this afternoon about laying out the tough choices. well, yeah, sure. life is about tough choices . politics often tough choices. politics often however, is about trying to persuade people you've made the right choice and not always being entirely honest about the cost. well, we'll wait and see whether sir keir starmer is perhaps more technocratic approach as opposed to what some people regarded. for example , as people regarded. for example, as the boosterism of boris johnson proves to me more successful. it's certainly not an easy sell. we'll have to see whether or not he can make it a successful sell. >> and sir john, sell. >> and sirjohn, in terms of the >> and sir john, in terms of the opportunity for this disenfranchisement with other political parties, where do you see the vote if people who lent

their vote to the labour party, perhaps those red wallers who lend their vote to the conservatives last time, where do you see the most opportunity for other parties drifting away from labour? >> well, that is the $64,000 question about the outcome of the 2024 election. sure, we are . the 2024 election. sure, we are. i mean, i think implicit in your question is that we can't necessarily assume that the conservative party, at least in current circumstances, would necessarily be the to party whom voters turn if they're disenchanted with labour. indeed, the polls, which that have found some decline in labour support , even a bit below labour support, even a bit below the 35% they got in the election, suggests that all of reform, the greens and the liberal democrats have had some gains in the wake of labour's difficulties . and the truth is, difficulties. and the truth is, it will depend very much on the willingness of the leaders of those parties to frame a critique of the government. insofar as the government is not doing as well as people want, that persuades people that they provide an alternative. i

wouldn't be surprised , by the wouldn't be surprised, by the way, if in the end, all of these parties gain to some degree, because we are, i think, potentially looking at a more fractured british politics going forward in which we certainly cannot assume that the battle is any more simply between conservative and labour. but the for labour example, even if they can avoid losing too many votes to reform, they do have to worry about the greens . that's a clear about the greens. that's a clear lesson of the election. and they do also potentially have to worry about the liberal democrats. there are other places that voters can go, even if they are unhappy with both labour and the conservatives. >> answer john, just quickly before we have to sadly leave you, you talk in your article about other prime ministers who have had much better ratings after their elections, going back to blair and the coalition and boris johnson in 2019. so it seems that sir keir starmer is having a particularly tough time in his very short honeymoon penod in his very short honeymoon period compared to some in more recent history. >> sure. the point is that sir keir starmer entered 10 downing

street as an unpopular politician . there was, as i politician. there was, as i said, that short term boost. things are simply returned to where they were. but that does put him in contrast with tony blair or david cameron or even bofis blair or david cameron or even boris johnson, at least amongst leave voters, where they were already relatively popular , already relatively popular, particularly tony blair, and they were then able to maintain that popularity after election because sir keir starmer's degree of popularity immediately after election was so short term, we shouldn't be surprised that it's disappeared very rapidly. but in a sense it simply exposes the fact he is. in a sense, he's entered 10 downing street more unpopular than any recent prime ministers, has previously proven to be. >> sirjohn has previously proven to be. >> sir john curtice has previously proven to be. >> sirjohn curtice . fascinating >> sirjohn curtice. fascinating stuff. thank you very, very much for joining us on the show. once forjoining us on the show. once again today. superb. thanks for joining us on the tv. now we'll be crossing back to liverpool for the latest reaction to the prime minister's speech at the labour party conference shortly i daubney on gb

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welcome back and let's cross live back now to liverpool, where gb news presenter tom harwood joins me from the labour conference. tom, over to you and keep our country safe . safe. >> thank you martin. yes i am here at the main stage of the conference. the conference still continues even after the prime minister's speech. the speech, which i've got here in my hand, i've been talking to some of his senior press people about this speech. we've had what's known in the business as a lobby huddle, asking questions about what exactly this speech meant. and particularly why there was so little policy in it. normally, we expect much more policy in a speech like the one given by the prime minister. but the answer of his team is that this is a speech about

delivering what has already been promised that there was the king's speech, only some weeks ago, and they didn't want to put ago, and they didn't want to put a whole deluge of new policy there, rather than getting through what they have already announced. that being said, there was that one announcement on the homes for heroes for carers and for people who who leave foster care and the like. thatis leave foster care and the like. that is a significant policy, but it isn't actually what it sounds like . particularly this sounds like. particularly this is all about social housing, right? so this is veterans getting greater access to social housing. turns out the detail of that policy doesn't actually raise up veterans up. the list of the ranking in terms of achieving social housing. instead, what it does is allow people to apply for or to get on those lists in the first place in areas that they're not local to. so that's a bit of the technicality behind it. what it should do, however, is give much

greater access to social housing for veterans, for people who are leaving care and the like. a domestic abuse victims. to those were the three categories. so that's some of the detail behind the speech. one more thing for you, martin. we've been asking who paid for keir starmer's suit and lady victoria's dress. now, we understand that it's a fairly expensive dress. there have been some reports in the press that it was borrowed . when i asked it was borrowed. when i asked some of the spokespeople around the prime minister about this dress, what i was told is they simply weren't getting into it. i asked three times and i wasn't, and they just wouldn't say whether keir starmer brought the dress, whether labour lady victoria bought the dress, whether a donor bought the dress or whether it was borrowed. so that just seemed a very curious thing from the part of the people in the top team of this prime minister. i would have thought that they would have

answered that and left fewer questions for people like me to ask . ask. >> well, i think it's a problem they just hoping will go away tom harwood. but of course it won't. thanks for joining tom harwood. but of course it won't. thanks forjoining us and we'll cross back to you later in the show. thank you very, very much. now, the justice secretary , much. now, the justice secretary, shabana mahmood, has unveiled a plan to shut women's prisons amid the overcrowding crisis. it's an astonishing thing. we'll have all the analysis next on that. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel. now it's time for your. news, britain's news channel. now it's time for your . weather. now it's time for your. weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb. news on. gb. news >> hello. welcome to your afternoon weather update from the met office here on gb news should turn a bit drier for most overnight. quite a chilly night across the north before further rain returns to southern areas tomorrow. all the heavy rain

from the weekend and yesterday from the weekend and yesterday from this area of low pressure that has cleared away and it's been much drier today across england, but we have seen further rain coming in across northern scotland, with a northerly wind also feeling pretty chilly here. smattering of showers elsewhere, but they're tending to fade in many places. as i said, we'll have a dry night with clear skies going to turn quite chilly, the winds coming down from the north bringing that colder air so likely to see a touch of frost. certainly across the mountains of scotland. towns and cities holding up a few degrees above freezing and quite mild again in the south, where there will be quite a lot of cloud and a bit of a grey start for southern counties of england. there will be some rain here and there will be some rain here and there will be more showers coming in across northern scotland, but in the central parts, as i said, temperatures are going to be down close to freezing to start wednesday. it should be some sunshine through the central belt across southwest scotland. fine start for much of northern ireland. just a few showers coming into the north coast. quite a bit of cloud early on across parts of northern england. quite a grey start across much of southern england and south wales. generally a dry

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>>a >> a very good afternoon to you. it's 5:00 pm and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster and all across the uk. on today's show, sir keir starmer today addressed the labour party conference and offered homes for heroes a hillsborough law and demanded the return of sausages from hamas. the big question is was it a banger of a speech, or was there a little meat on the bone? we'll have full analysis , but we'll have full analysis, but clearly not everyone was enjoyed today's speech because sir keir starmer was heckled . as you can starmer was heckled. as you can see on your screens, a pro—palestine protester was ejected after interrupting sir keir's speech. and first we had two tier keir and then it was free gear. keir and now will it be no beer? keir well, because today rumours were rife that labour might close the pubs early to tackle what they call harmful drinking. is this more nanny state nonsense? and home

secretary yvette cooper today slammed the riots as racist thuggery, and claimed that both the tories and the reform party are right wing wreckers who sow division. now to such combative talk, help, national unity or is miss cooper the one sowing the division? that's all coming in your next hour ? welcome to the your next hour? welcome to the show. so, sir keir starmer made a sausage related slip up earlier on, people saying he's the worst prime minister. he made a meal of it out of the frying pan into the fire. insert your chip shop related pun here. but a short while ago, shabana mahmood, who's the justice secretary, has given an astonishing speech saying she believes women don't believe don't belong in jail . and that's don't belong in jail. and that's been followed up by calls to

close down women's jails and send less women to prison. can that be a good idea? let me know your thoughts. go to gbnews.com forward slash your say and we'll be sure to be debating that later in the show. but now it's time for your headlines. and here's sophia wenzler. >> martin thank you. good afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's just gone 5:00. these are your headlines. change has begun. that's a message from sir keir starmer as he gave his first labour conference speech as prime minister this afternoon. he outlined a vision for national renewal, including reforming planning, ending the doctors strike and launching great british energy, which he confirmed would be based in aberdeen. the labour leader also pledged to house all veterans in need, saying homes will be there for heroes. he also defended winter fuel payment cuts, saying every pensioner will be better

off. sir keir starmer went on to address the riots across the uk sparked by the stabbings in southport . southport. >> i will never let a minority of violent , racist thugs of violent, racist thugs terrorise our community. the debate is not about the worth of migrants that is toxic and we must move beyond it. it's about control of migration. it's always been about control. >> but the speech didn't go completely smoothly, with the prime minister making an embarrassing gaffe when referring to the return of hostages in gaza, he said sausages instead , i call again sausages instead, i call again for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. >> the return of the sausages. >> the return of the sausages. >> and it hasn't gone unnoticed. with conservative leadership hopeful tom tugendhat saying sir keir starmer simply can't deliver. >> that was a banger of a speech, but he can't even cook up a decent line. i mean, the problem is he's really made a

complete hash of it, hasn't he? and none of it's worked out at all. all he's done is he's demonstrated the arrogance of somebody who simply can't deliver. frankly, he's fried the whole thing in bananas and made a complete mess of it. >> meanwhile, the home secretary says labour is the party of law and order, vowing to crack down on street crime, targeting offenders like street drinkers and shoplifters. opening the third day of labour conference in liverpool , yvette cooper has in liverpool, yvette cooper has pledged to introduce ronan's law banning ninja swords, which earned her a standing ovation. she also promised buffer zones around abortion clinics and reiterated reiterated labour's plan to halve knife crime in a decade. plan to halve knife crime in a decade . we've been speaking to decade. we've been speaking to people in glasgow who've responded to the news on the buffer zones . buffer zones. >> if they feel it's necessary . >> if they feel it's necessary. the example i heard this morning was if they had, you know, a young person who'd been involved in a rape sort of idea and they were choosing to abort the child . were choosing to abort the child. and then facing all the people

outside protesting. good. if people want to have that abortion, they have the right to an abortion. >> and i don't see why people should i believe it is a good thing because people have got to take a look at all these different safeguarding issues and what it can mean amongst the community, and you don't want people to feel endangered or unsafe within any part of medical aspect . medical aspect. >> now, in other news, the defence secretary, john healey, is chairing an emergency cobra meeting to discuss the escalating crisis in the middle east. while the prime minister has called for restraint and de—escalation, it comes as israeli airstrikes continue to hit hezbollah positions, including missile launchers and weapons depots. at least 550 people, including women and children, have been killed so far in lebanon's deadliest 24 hours in decades, half a million people have fled southern lebanon. airlines have cancelled dozens of flights, and lebanese

hospitals are overwhelmed with more than 1800 wounded. the uk and us have now advised nationals to leave the region . nationals to leave the region. now back in the uk, a 15 year old boy who was stabbed to death in south east london has been named, while two men have now been arrested on suspicion of murder . the metropolitan police murder. the metropolitan police said the victim was dea—john. campbell and his family are being supported by specialists. two men, aged 52 and 18, have been arrested and remain in police custody . and the police custody. and the government says securing an agreement with striking nurses is an essential step to restoring public services after they turned down a 5.5% pay rise . they turned down a 5.5% pay rise. two thirds of royal college of nursing members voted against the deal, in a record turnout of 145,000. labour minister pat mcfadden insists the government understands the challenge of balancing public spending while trying to treat workers fairly.

>> prospects for the country are great. britain's a great place in which to invest and if we can get that message out and get that going, then we can generate the wealth that we need to make people better off and to fund the public services that we all depend on. and the two parts to that story are going to be at the heart of the prime minister's speech this afternoon . minister's speech this afternoon. >> those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to martin for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> thank you sophia. now sir keir starmer has been addressing the labour conference today and offered homes for heroes, a hillsborough law and also demanded the return of sausages from hamas. let's take a look .

from hamas. let's take a look. >> i call again for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. the return of the sausages. >> as you'd imagine, he's been absolutely panned for that. he's getting a battering. but was it a banger of a speech, or was there little meat on the bone? well, tory leadership contender tom tugendhat wasted no time to steam in with his pun related attack. here's what he had to say. >> that was a banger of a speech, but he can't even cook up a decent line. i mean, the problem is he's really made a complete hash of it, hasn't he? and none of it's worked out at all. all he's done is he's demonstrated the arrogance of somebody who simply can't deliver. frankly, he's fried the whole thing in bananas and made a complete mess of it. >> i think tom needs a better scriptwriter, more jokes. i would say, let's cross live now to liverpool, where our political correspondent olivia utley joins me now live from that labour party conference. olivia, i should imagine the mischief makers are enjoying sir keir starmer's meat based slip up around the sausages being returned, but not the hostages.

but tell me, what were the highlights? stand outs from the speech for you? what's the mood right there in the heart of the conference in liverpool ? conference in liverpool? >> leader speeches at party conferences are often pretty low on policy detail, but i think this one was particularly low. we heard about those homes for heroes getting veterans house, although when pressed about it afterwards, it essentially seems as though what keir starmer is doing is moving veterans a little bit higher on a very long list of priorities for people who need social housing. so even that can't quite be explained as an example of a policy detail. he also talked about gb energy in aberdeen. well, we were all expecting that really, although the announcement did come with a huge, huge round of applause rather than about policy detail. this seemed to be a speech about vibes , keir starmer's message vibes, keir starmer's message that he wanted to get across and that he wanted to get across and that he wanted to get across and that he did get across really, was that britain now needs to take some very, very hard

decisions on prisons , on taxes, decisions on prisons, on taxes, on energy, on where to build pylons , etc. but if britain does pylons, etc. but if britain does take those difficult decisions now, then in the future there will be a britain that you can own again, that we can have again was was his message, whether that will resonate with the public remains to be seen, he said. it was trailed before this speech that this was going to be a sort of optimistic vision for the country after what we can only really call quite a lot of doom mongering. ever since he won the election back in july, there wasn't really that sort of nugget of optimism that people were perhaps looking for today. i also found it quite interesting the way that keir starmer didn't address at all that freebie scandal that has been engulfing the party in recent days, he talked for a moment about those who are still hankering after a dramatic kind of politics, which he. keir starmer has no interest in at all. whether that was a reference to the fact that he it's water off a duck's back, he

used that phrase, whether it was water off a duck's back that he has been embroiled in. this freebie scandal wasn't quite clear. but it did feel at some points as though he was burying his head in the sand. he was doing the conference speech for the conference that he was expecting. rather, the conference that he is experiencing and as that what is that conference? what is he experiencing? well, it's not exactly the celebratory occasion that we would perhaps expect three months after this absolutely colossal labour victory, the mood has been relatively muted. and that really is because of that poll just before, on the eve of conference, showing that keir starmer's popularity ratings had fallen to below rishi sunak's. and of course, that scandal about freebies still engulfing the party and that sue gray pay scandal, which is still lingering around to the labour party, doesn't feel as united as you might expect. three months after winning power. all of that said , there was one clear said, there was one clear message which starmer wanted to get across. make the difficult decisions and we will reap the

rewards in the future. and i think it's fair to say he did that today. >> and olivia utley is interesting how both sir keir starmer and yvette cooper, the home secretary, were slamming the riots as violent, racist thugs terrorising our communities. that was to keir starmer and yvette cooper also saying they were racism. it was arson, it was thuggery. these protests were not about immigration. certainly talking tough. they're olivia utley. thank you very much for joining us live from the labour party conference in liverpool. now we've got some breaking news for you now. astonishing news. the justice secretary, shabana mahmood, has set out plans to slash the number of women going to jail and ultimately even plans to close women's prisons as the country battles an overcrowding crisis . astonishing overcrowding crisis. astonishing developments. i can speak now with gb news home and security editor mark white. mark, there have been so many conversations about two tiered justice, two tier policing since the labour party came into power , and now party came into power, and now we have it again. there's

another tier of justice. you're going to get a much less likely to go to jail if you're a women. they're closing women's jails. why >> well, if you listen to the justice secretary, she says that women are really being failed by the criminal justice system that many women are in prison that shouldn't be in prison, and that once they're into the prison estate, then they are effectively on a road to re—offending . their lives are re—offending. their lives are criminalised , and they are then criminalised, and they are then sort of doomed to that process of being , you know, offending of being, you know, offending and returning to prison again. family lives, she says, are destroyed . and if they can look destroyed. and if they can look for alternatives to prison that saves women from going to prison, obviously not for the most serious of offences, then that can keep families together. it can then prevent this kind of

downward spiral of re—offending through the generations as well. but they seem to an extent can be said for those in the male prison population. having said that, this is what the justice secretary, shabana mahmood , said secretary, shabana mahmood, said to the conference just a few minutes ago , i believe that our minutes ago, i believe that our justice system needs reform, and i believe that reform is most urgently needed when we consider the plight of women conference. >> the law has taken too long to address the realities of women's lives. written mostly by men, the male experience is its default setting, and today the law is still getting to grips with the reality of violence against women and girls. consider for instance, that 60% of victims drop out of rape cases before they go to trial . cases before they go to trial. >> so the justice secretary, i

think there, martin, very clear that she believes women are being failed. and, you know, she has certainly got a point when it comes to sexual violence and domestic violence perpetrated against women. with many of these cases that just hang in these cases that just hang in the air of prosecutors , even go the air of prosecutors, even go down the road of actually launching a formal charge and criminal court case at the end of the day, it often takes so long before these cases get to trial that so many women are dropping out of that process. but i have to say, in terms of violence against women, you've got, bizarrely, a situation just in recent weeks where 1700 male offenders were released from the prison estate to make way to make space because of overcrowding there, many of those, of course, repeat offenders and some sexual

offenders. and indeed one man that was charged after leaving prison and allegedly going on to commit a sexual offence against a woman . a woman. >> mark, you're absolutely right. you know, we can all utterly condemn violence against women. any right minded person would. but that's not what this is about. this is about calling women's prisons desperate places. they hurt mothers. well, they also hurt fathers. you could make the same argument that prison doesn't work for men. why is it the labour party, the policy of equality, the policy the party of equal rights is suddenly saying, oh no, no, let's go softer on women. if they commit a crime, they shouldn't be going to jail. in fact, let's close the women's nics and send men in there. mark, that's not equality. that's sexism. it's favouritism . that's sexism. it's favouritism. >> well, certainly i think you're right to say that there are very serious issues within the male prison estate where we've got the levels of overcrowding that we've got,

where we've got traditionally the programmes and the emphasis on rehabilitation that just can't really take place at the moment because of that very significant overcrowding, because of the cuts in the number of prison service personnel who are there to supervise these work programmes , supervise these work programmes, that attention is just not happening. you've got male prisoners who are locked up for sometimes 23 hours in the day. it is little wonder that many of them are behind. bars are up to no good when they come out. they are just in this perpetual cycle of reoffending and mark how long before men start saying, actually, i'm transitioning. >> i'm a woman prisoner now. therefore you can't send me to a jail. mark white an astonishing development. what a story. and i suspect one we'll talk about for many, many weeks and months to come. mark white fantastic. thanks for joining

come. mark white fantastic. thanks forjoining us on the thanks for joining us on the show. well, what do you make of that? i think that's astonishing. well joining me now is the retired scotland yard detective, mike neville. see what mike makes of this. mike, i don't know how much of that you overheard. i'm simply astonished this this is an idea that's been around for a long, long time. the labour party say prison doesn't work for women. you could you could equally say prison doesn't particularly work for men. but sometimes you need a tough, short, sharp shock. what kind of message does it send out? mike neville that some for some reason, if you're a woman and you commit offence, you don't deserve to go to prison. you deserve preferential treatment. >> well, there is already some form of preferential treatment. when i used to be on a drugs squad, if you raided a house, the man and woman would be engagedin the man and woman would be engaged in the drug dealing and basically the man would take the rap because you say, look who's going to take responsibility here for dealing these drugs? and no man, really, no matter how wicked they are, wants to see their wife, partner or whatever, or the mother of their children go to jail. so often women get a free pass there. but you've also got to remember here

that 95% of violent crime is committed by men. and we really want prisoners to protect us from violent men and also burglars . the vast majority of burglars. the vast majority of women are in for thieving and non—violent offences, so it is if you're going to ration the prison places , it would be prison places, it would be better to ration them for the women to save society. but all the time, though, what we see is that what what that means, though, is that if you're a prolific shoplifter, you can think, well, i'm never going to go to jail because i'm a mum and therefore continue on with it. so there must be a point in time where you say, no, that's enough. i know you've got kids, but there it's the 100th shoplifting conviction or whatever you've got. you're going to jail. and i think this is sending the message that really, if you've got children, you've got a free get out of jail free card as you get a monopoly and that is absolutely the case. >> and, you know, we can all, you know, say that prison aren't places for any rational person to be. they're not fair,

particularly if you're a parent who beg your pardon. got sneezes there. i'm allergic to this story on a on a serious point, we can all agree that prisons are no places for parents to be. but i think you raise a huge point there, mike neville. if you're a woman , if you're a you're a woman, if you're a mother, potentially you could say, well, i'll get pregnant. i'll avoid jail by any means necessary. and once you start closing down those women's prisons, and i'm assuming they'll be converted into spaces for men because those are the prison spaces we need, then they're forever gone. what message does that send out to criminals might never be female. >> it'sjust. it'sjust send this message that you've got a free pass, and we know that it's out of control with shoplifting. and people think, oh, shoplifting. minor thing . but shoplifting. minor thing. but when it comes to the point, i spoke to two ladies in a shop near me and people come in their shop, men and women threatening them with needles, saying, we know where you live and stealing. you know, money has no monetary value in ten minutes that these ladies work for ten hours for. so when you know ,

hours for. so when you know, working and working hard and paying working and working hard and paying your taxes becomes the stupid option. and being a thief is the is the sort of easy life, then society starts to break down. so there's got to be a point where people, whatever they've done, no matter what their circumstances are, you've got 15 kids at home, has got to got 15 kids at home, has got to go to jail . but ultimately with go to jail. but ultimately with prison, my view is it's to protect us from wicked and evil people. and, you know, i'm a realist as a man. maybe it's a sexist thing to say, but the facts are that men are the wickedest and evil people when it comes to crime . it comes to crime. >> and it is worth pointing out in defence of miss mahmood, that two thirds of women are in prison for non—violent offences, that 55% of all victims of domestic abuse and that self harm in women's prisons is eight times higher than in the men's estate. so of course, we should all be sympathetic to the needs of any prisoner. but mike neville, my point is simply, does this send out a message that once again , we have two

that once again, we have two tiered justice and you get a free pass from prison, you get a get out of jail card. if you're a mum? >> to a point, yes. and so there must be a point where if you could prolific offender and some of these people have got ten, 20, 30 convictions, there must be a limit at that point when you've committed ten crimes that you've committed ten crimes that you go to jail. you've committed ten crimes that you go to jail . we have to have you go to jail. we have to have that. and there's no more excuses. >> okay. thank you. mike and apologies for my sneeze. i got a bit carried away with the story. now i'll be crossing back to the labour party conference in liverpool soon. for all the

welcome back. it's 525. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. sir keir starmer has told the labour party conference that there is light at the end of the tunnel, but it will mean short term pain. let's take a look . look. >> this is how the work of

change happens. a decisive, mission led government moving our country forward step by step , our country forward step by step, focused on a long term plan. but first we stabilise our economy. second, we fix the foundation and third, we build with pride and third, we build with pride and determination a britain that belongs to you . but it will be belongs to you. but it will be hard. that's not rhetoric , it's reality. >> well, joining me now for some reaction as the former editor of labourlist, peter edwards , who's labourlist, peter edwards, who's live from the labour party conference up there in liverpool, peter, welcome to the show. always a pleasure. sir keir starmer is getting battered for his sausage slip up. but aside from that, was there much meat on the bone policy wise? one thing that really leapt out to us here @gbnews was the homes for heroes initiative putting veterans of the pecking order. but it appears on further analysis, that's not actually the case. what stood out for you ?

the case. what stood out for you? >> well, the speech only finished an hour or two ago, so we've got to wait for it for the policy detail. but being in liverpool, that is the thing that has got people talking. the announcement about priority for housing victims of domestic abuse, care leavers and veterans, and i would defy anyone from across the political spectrum to disagree with any of that. but but of course, for those with a long memory, it evokes a post—war homes for heroes campaign as well. but that was a standout announcement in a speech that i think was deliberately workmanlike, where they were trying to show they were low on rhetoric and they were low on rhetoric and they were getting on with the job. >> there was a lot of talk about the riots again, and a lot of people on this channel were hoping there'd be some sort of receiver mode about trying to understand the communities behind this. what the reasons why they're frustrated, as we saw in 2011 with the tottenham riots, when it was mostly the black community affected. that didn't happen, though. sir keir starmer today . the biggest round starmer today. the biggest round of applause he got was when he called those a minority of violent, racist thugs

terrorising our community, echoing what yvette cooper said earlier in the day, saying also this was they were not protests about immigration, it was racism. it was arson. it was thuggery. will that land well in the red wall? is this really helping to unite the country, or is that further sowing the seeds of division ? of division? >> i don't believe at all it was the seeds of division. it's the job of the prime minister to unite the country, but also to set the direction, and not not just blow with the wind. and i think he did that. you know, i've campaigned in swing seats, particularly in places like essex, where i hail from, and it's legitimate to have a discussion on the doorstep about immigration and the numbers. and he reflected that, obviously, what is totally inappropriate, if not wicked, is to spread anti—muslim hatred and use violence and use intimidation. and you're right that there was a wave of applause and some cheers for the language around the riots. and bear in mind you know, you've got an ex public

prosecutor in keir starmer addressing the country. it's perhaps the one day in the year when a party leader is guaranteed to get coverage among non—political people. and he's talking about clamping down on disorder and bigotry. and again, you know, i don't think too many people can disagree with that. >> can i ask you about a story we've just covered an astonishing announcement from shabana mahmood, the justice secretary, saying she wants to close women's prisons . close women's prisons. >> well, i've not seen all the details of that. but, lord timpson, the new prisons minister, who doesn't come from a party political background, he said many times that you've got a third of people in prison for very bad things, and then 1 to 2 thirds more people have mental health problems or other serious emotional and social and economic problems in life. we also know that a lot of women in prison, are abuse victims themselves or have had very difficult upbringings. so there's always a temptation

going back to the 90s for a politician to get on stage at conference and just say, we're going to lock them all up. but if that doesn't help cut crime, if that doesn't help cut crime, if prisons become academies of crime, this is no rehabilitation. if there's an extra cost to the taxpayer, that's not always a good thing. so i think , we know that women so i think, we know that women in particular in prison , have in particular in prison, have had incredibly difficult lives. and it's a job of, ultimately the justice department to try and reduce offending rather than just quote unquote, banging people up because it will appease certain newspapers . appease certain newspapers. >> but peter edwards, sir keir starmer banged a woman up very recently who was a sole carer for her elderly husband. that's because she posted a facebook message he didn't like. this is just yet more two tiered policing. you go to woman prison if you're a woman , if he thinks if you're a woman, if he thinks you're a far right thug. but but other ones, he'll go soft and it's just more two tier justice. >> well, i've not seen that story, but also keir starmer hasn't banged anyone up. you know, he's a prime minister.

they're not involved in individual cases. then obviously he was chief prosecutor . well he was chief prosecutor. well again is there anyone that didn't want to clamp down if you had a riot in your neighbourhood. remember riots and criminality , rob burrow and criminality, rob burrow riots and criminality affect poorer communities. more poorer people are more likely to be a victim of crime. is there anyone that wanted a relaxation after the riots? no. of course we want to see a clampdown on disorder. disorder harms most communities in particular poor communities. but we've got to keep reminding ourselves that it's independent judges without political affiliation who send people to prison. it's not keir starmer, it's not an elected politician . it's not an elected politician. >> well, i think the clampdown came directly after direct orders from the prime minister. but peter edwards, thank you very much for joining but peter edwards, thank you very much forjoining us on the very much for joining us on the show there live from the labour party conference in liverpool. thank you. there's lots more still to come between now and 6:00, including the dreadful news that boozers could be forced to shut early to target harmful drinking. more nanny state nonsense is it from no

beers, keir? but first, here's your latest news headlines. sophia wenzler. >> it's 532. these are your headunes >> it's 532. these are your headlines from the gb newsroom. change has begun . that's the change has begun. that's the message from sir keir starmer as he gave his first labour conference speech as prime minister this afternoon. he outlined a vision for national renewal, including reforming planning, ending the doctors strike and launching great british energy , which he british energy, which he confirmed would be based in aberdeen. the labour leader also pledged to house all veterans in need , saying homes will be there need, saying homes will be there for heroes . he also defended for heroes. he also defended winter fuel payment cuts , saying winter fuel payment cuts, saying every pensioner will be better off. sir keir starmer went on to address the riots across the uk sparked by the stabbings in southport . southport. >> i will never let a minority of violent, racist thugs terrorise our community. the

debate is not about the worth of migrants that is toxic and we must move beyond it. it's about control of migration. it's always been about control. >> now, in other news, a 15 year old boy who was stabbed to death in south—east london has been named, while two men have now been arrested on suspicion of murder. the metropolitan police said the victim was deshawn campbell and his family are being supported by specialist officers. two men, aged 52 and 18, have now been arrested and remain in police custody and the defence secretary, john healey, has chaired an emergency cobra meeting to discuss the escalating crisis in the middle east. while the prime minister called for restraint and de—escalation. it comes as israeli airstrikes continue to hit hezbollah positions, including missile launchers and weapons depots. at least 550

people, including women and children , have been killed so children, have been killed so far in lebanon's deadliest 24 hours in decades, half a million people have fled southern lebanon airlines have cancelled dozens of flights, and lebanese hospitals are overwhelmed with more than 1900 wounded. the uk and us have now both advised nationals to leave the region. those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to martin for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> thank you sophia. now getting absolutely battered here by sausage related puns regarding, of course, sir keir starmer's slip up earlier on quick couple here and darren says he's simply the worst prime minister ever.

yep got that one laura. he'll get battered for this for years. tony. he's a chipolata off the old block. tony i think you need to keep working on that one now. joining me now , somebody who's joining me now, somebody who's always a dish michelle dewberry 617 dewbs& co. what's on your menu ? menu? >> well, i too have had more sausage innuendos in the last couple of hours martin daubney than i think i've ever had in my whole adulthood. it was almost enough to have my hair curled, hence i've had to straighten it all. but of course, what a gaffe that is. much of what people are talking about are keir starmer's conference. but i do want to delve into the conference in his speech a little bit more. i've got annunciator rees—mogg joining me and tom buick. there's lots to discuss. i wonder what do the viewers actually think of keir starmer? his tough talking, his promise of kind of bright days ahead and so on and so forth. also, yvette cooper also talking tough about the streets of britain today. doesit the streets of britain today. does it wash ? do people feel does it wash? do people feel optimistic or not? i'll tell you who is optimistic. mick lynch he the union boss. he basically wants to seize control of the uk

economy. is that a good thing or not? >> so, mr fry, tonight, michelle dewberry 6 to 7. right after this, the queen of prime time political debate. thank you very much. now next, i'll be asking if we live in a nanny state as the government are apparently to shut our earlier. they are hopping

welcome back. it's 5.39 on martin daubney on gb news now pubs could be forced to close their doors early under new government measures. what kind of wimpy woke nanny state are we living in? please keep your hands off our boozers. now, joining me now to discuss this is the head of lifestyle economics at the institute of economic affairs, chris snowdon. chris, always a pleasure to have you on the show. so now first they called him two tier care. thenit they called him two tier care. then it was free gear care. now

they're calling him no beers keir. now they've quickly come out and denied that this is going to be policy. chris snowdon i don't trust them. am i a cynic , a cynic, >> perhaps. but i think there's a lot to be cynical about. so i mean, this came from a fringe meeting yesterday. the public health minister, andrew gwynne, evidently did say that he was looking at operating hours for the drinks industry. it could mean off licences. >> it could mean nightclubs. it could mean pubs. >> who knows, but certainly it would be of a piece with what we've already seen from this government in barely two months, which is, kind of nanny state on steroids. and it seems that keir starmer and wes streeting in particular, i think, are being leaned on by chris whitty, who's been very active behind the scenes lobbying for various fanatical nanny state measures and they seem to genuinely believe that the only way the nhs can be saved is if everybody starts eating their greens and put down their pint glasses. >> so yeah, they they seem genuinely committed in a way

that perhaps not even the conservatives were, in, you know , conservatives were, in, you know, in lifestyle regulation for the good of the nhs. >> and as you said , chris, this >> and as you said, chris, this came from andrew gwynne, who's the public health minister, who said on the record, we are thinking about tightening up the hours of operation of bars and pubs.so hours of operation of bars and pubs. so this isn't like made up. it didn't come out of the aether. is this part of this constant? we saw it a lot during lockdowns, during covid. they're nudging us towards this puritanism. they're dropping these ideas in there and then quickly doing a u—turn. but the drip drip effect is that they promised chris to tread lightly on our lives before they got into power, and they've already banned ciggies outside , outside banned ciggies outside, outside gigs in gardens. now, the threat to clamp down on pubs. what next? burgers, sugar ? you know next? burgers, sugar? you know they're going to come for everything, right? they won't be happy till we're all vegans. >> yeah, they want to do a lot with food. they've already said they're going to introduce this ban on all sorts of food

advertising in october next yean advertising in october next year. i think again at this meeting that andrew gwynne was at, which is a public meeting. this is not stuff behind the scenes. >> you know, he's saying this stuff. >> therefore you have to assume it is at least in the minds of the government. but yeah, he said he wants to have more food reformulation and put more pressure on the food industry, perhaps even involving legislation saying that, you know, you can't put this in your food, you can't put this in your food. you have to make your portions smaller. you have to take the fats out or what have you, so yeah, they are going through across the piece, we've already seen their commitment, obviously, to having a serious clampdown on smoking, including the gradual prohibition, they've introduced in talks about various things to do with the food supply. they want to crack down on vapes. they're probably going to ban disposable vapes at the very least. and now they're talking about, the very least. and now they're talking about , booze, talking talking about, booze, talking about the off trade, talking about the off trade, talking about pubs and opening hours. and you have to remember, it was a labour government that actually extended opening hours, relaxed licensing laws back in 2005. actually, that was one of the great successes of that particular government . but now

particular government. but now it seems like it's open season on everybody . on everybody. >> do you think, chris, that people are going to take to this, you know, we know better for you? if it was, if only you knew what was good for you like we do, or will people simply rebel against it? i mean, prohibition has never worked anywhere on the planet in the history of time. they can't win the war on drugs. how on earth can they win the war on pubs? >> well, indeed. yeah, but i mean, pubs have been whipping boy for a very long time . you boy for a very long time. you look at the way the government under the, advice of chris whitty, were treated during covid. i don't just mean during the lockdowns. i mean in between the lockdowns. i mean in between the lockdowns, we had a situation at one point where you could only go into a pub and sit on your own, and even then, only if you're eating a meal and you had to, you know, stop drinking once you've finished your meal. this was incredibly over the top behaviour from from the government didn't have it. you didn't do anything in terms of controlling covid, but it showed me, i think, the kind of thing that chris whitty would like to

do to pubs . and maybe i'm giving do to pubs. and maybe i'm giving to chris whitty too much of the blame, but i'm not sure i am. i think he has definitely been lobbying the government for various measures like this . the various measures like this. the outdoor smoking ban is going to absolutely clobber pubs. it's going to finish off thousands of them without a shadow of a doubt. and restricting licensing laws. of course , will equally, laws. of course, will equally, you know, do damaged pubs don't need any more legislation to, you know, to damage them . what you know, to damage them. what they need actually is help from they need actually is help from the government. they need liberalisation. but it doesn't seem as if the government really care. perhaps if some pub start banning various ministers and the prime minister from the premises, that might send out the right message. but i agree with you that i really don't see this outdoor smoking ban in particular as being enforceable. we're talking about banning people from smoking on the pavement . people have had pavement. people have had enough. i think smokers have been kicked around for a very long time, and i don't think most people can see, you know, why? why this is even being done in the first place. so good luck

enforcing that. good luck enforcing that. good luck enforcing shisha bars. you know , enforcing shisha bars. you know, to enforcing the smoking ban and shisha bars on the edgware road in the middle of birmingham, i think the public health lobby might finally have met their match here, but we shall see. it certainly won't stop them trying. >> chris, could i quickly ask you, is there a broader kind of war on fern, like the world health organisation, the world economic forum? is there a broader, pan western world movement against people having a good time ? good time? >> yeah, because they see people having a good time as being a pubuc having a good time as being a public health problem. basically. you know, you have some extremely sour faced people who don't seem like they're, you know, laughing about 20 years going around essentially regulating our leisure time. and the reality is, most people go out to work and then they want to relax and they want to go to the pub and maybe have a cigarette or a vape and certainly have them have a bit of fast food. and that is seen as being an existential threat to the nhs, quite wrongly. by the way, the economics of this do not stack up whatsoever, and

we have this vociferous, rather anti—social minority trying to spoil everybody else's fun. yeah. >> okay. chris we have the call time there. chris snowden, always a pleasure. thank you very much for joining always a pleasure. thank you very much forjoining us on the very much for joining us on the show. now, anti—monarchists say that the royal family costs us £510 million every year. are they really worth it? well, i think they are. i martin daubney on gb news britain's news channel

welcome back. 10 to 6 final final furlong with me martin daubney on gb news. prince william has announced the 15 finalists of his annual earthshot prize awards, competing for the £5 million in prize money. now they were selected from a record entry of nearly 2500 nominations from 139 countries. well, joining me now to discuss them is the gb news royal correspondent , cameron

royal correspondent, cameron wahaca cameron. so the final list is in £5 million up for grabs. tell us more. >> yeah, it certainly is. martin the earthshot prize innovation summit taking place in new york this week. prince william has released a video message. i'm not sure if we've got that to show you to do with that, but 15 finalists, as you say, as you say, have well and truly been announced. and prince and the earthshot prize is prince william's ten year project to find solutions to repair the planet over a decade. big ambition. it's inspired by john f kennedy's moonshot prize. it seemed at the time, impossible in the 1960s to put a man on the moon. but nasa achieved it. the same principle with earthshot. but prince william wants to solve climate change essentially within a decade. that's the idea, and it's all about being optimistic with him, i think, rather than the kind of doom and gloom scaremongering which perhaps has turned some people off over the last 20 years or so. and he even had hollywood royalty supporting him today. martin, matt damon showed up. someone in the newsroom earlier

suggested i should use the pun good william hunting rather than good william hunting rather than good will hunting, of course, a reference to the hollywood film that he was in. but i'll let you at home be the judge of that one. there's a couple of british finalists this year, a british start up, nature metrics, which is using environmental dna to identify species, populations and reports environmental and conservation impacts. mialgae has found a sustainable way to create more omega three substances without killing lots of wild fish. the winners of the of wild fish. the winners of the of the earthshot prize this yean of the earthshot prize this year, five of them who are all up, who could could get £1 million worth of prize money. they are going to be announced dunng they are going to be announced during a ceremony in cape town on the 6th of november this yean on the 6th of november this year. so watch this space. >> great stuff, and i'm delighted to introduce you to this year's 15 new earthshot prize finalists. >> these solutions are some of the most exciting, innovative and impactful we've seen , and and impactful we've seen, and the people behind them are true inspirations. i know you're as passionate as i am about making a difference to our planet, and we can't wait to share their

stories with you. >> well, prince william, they're really talking about his earthshot prize finalists . earthshot prize finalists. unsure if he is going to be going to cape town in november, kensington palace has not yet confirmed it, so we've got the face fuzz as well there. >> will's i think he looks great in it now. got a little story to nibble out here, republic. of course they are the great unwashed anti—monarchy campaigners, not my king. they've come up with some spunous they've come up with some spurious figures saying the true cost of the royal family is almost half £1 billion a year. tell us more. >> yeah, they've released their own figures. of course we've got the sovereign grant, which is the sovereign grant, which is the official expenditure from the official expenditure from the royal family, their accounts and what they say the royal family costs the british taxpayer every year equates to around £1.20 per person in the united kingdom republic. the anti—monarchy group disputes that figure . they say the true that figure. they say the true cost is a lot higher. the biggest cost that they are estimating is £150 million of taxpayers money used to fund royal security. now republic

want an elected head of state. i think perhaps one argument could be that even if we did have an elected head of state rather than a monarch, they would still need police protection, which would still cost money. so i'm not quite sure that 150 million figure would be saved if we got rid of king charles. >> but of course, we all know cameron walker, the true value is a value. you can put a price on the royal family. bring us together. they make us unified. they make us proud to be british. that's something the repubuc british. that's something the republic know nothing about. >> it's the pomp and pageantry. i think it's what attracts people to the united kingdom, some would argue, and i think a lot of the charitable causes that they champion the princess of wales in her early years projects prince william with trying to end homelessness, and his earthshot prize, which we just talked about. the environmental prize, all they have a huge convening power, i think the royal family and getting people around the table to actually create real change. but of course, not everybody agrees with with the royalists. there are there is a portion of the british population who would prefer an elected head of state.

>> super aslef cameron walker. thank you very much. always a pleasure. now that's all from me for now. don't forget dewbs& co is up next. i'll be back tonight at 7 pm. i'm covering for nigel farage. i've got a fantastic exclusive about rushmoor council having homeless people dumped on it from london. i'll be speaking to the councillors. you won't believe these flats. they've got marble lined showers and they've been given to homeless people at tax payers expense. i'll be back at 7:00 on martin daubney. see you then. have a great evening. >> it looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello! welcome to your afternoon weather update from the met office here on gb. news should turn a bit drier for most overnight. quite a chilly night across the north before further rain returns to southern areas tomorrow. all the heavy rain from the weekend and yesterday

from the weekend and yesterday from this area of low pressure that has cleared away and it's been much drier today across england, but we have seen further rain coming in across northern scotland with a northerly wind also feeling pretty chilly here. smattering of showers elsewhere, but they're tending to fade in many places. as i said, we'll have a dry night with clear skies going to turn quite chilly, the winds coming down from the north bringing that colder air so likely to see a touch of frost. certainly across the mountains of scotland. towns and cities holding up a few degrees above freezing and quite mild again in the south, where there will be quite a lot of cloud and a bit of a grey start for southern counties of england. there will be some rain here and there will be some rain here and there will be more showers coming in across northern scotland, but in these central parts, as i said, temperatures are going to be down close to freezing to start wednesday. it should be some sunshine through the central belt. southwest scotland fine start for much of northern ireland just a few showers coming into the north coast. quite a bit of cloud early on across parts of northern england. quite a grey start across much of southern england and south wales. generally a dry start here, but things will

change. as i mentioned at the start, we are going to see more rain pushing back in here as we go through the day, spreading across southwest england quite early on and then into south wales, later into the southeast of england and the midlands across much of northern britain by the odd shower here and there, many places actually dry and bright for most of tomorrow. but it will be on the cool side. temperatures a touch below average, struggling into the teens further south, a little bit milder, but with the rain it won't feel all that pleasant. and we're not done with the rain. far from it. further heavy and persistent rain to come over parts of northern england, north wales, northern ireland and southern scotland. on thursday, there's a met office warning in place for parts of northeast england where that rain could cause some further disruption in the south, turning a little brighter and a little milder. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather

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