liverpool, continues. keir starmer's big speech today. we saw hillsborough laws being spoken about homes for heroes, more training for the young and lots more besides. so you tell me, was it a sizzling banger or a lukewarm chipolata.7 what do you think? also, a lukewarm chipolata? what do you think? also, our home secretary, yvette cooper today is speaking out. her speech at conference. she promises to halve knife crime in ten years. and she had very harsh words for what she calls right wing wreckers. what did you think to that? also, the rmt boss, mick lynch , he's certainly feeling lynch, he's certainly feeling optimistic. he wants unions to seize control of the economy. here's a return to the 70s. what britain really needs . all of

britain really needs. all of that and more. but first, the 6:00 news. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines at 6:00. change has begun. that's the message from sir keir starmer as he gave his first labour conference speech as prime minister this afternoon. he outlined a vision for national renewal, including reforming, planning, ending the doctors strike and launching great british energy , which he great british energy, which he confirmed would be based in aberdeen. the labour leader also pledged to house all veterans in need, saying homes will be there for heroes. he also defended winter fuel payment cuts, saying every pensioner will be better off. sir keir starmer went on to address the riots across the uk sparked by the southport stabbings. >> i will never let a minority of violent , racist thugs of violent, racist thugs terrorise our community. the debate is not about the worth of

migrants. that is toxic and we must move beyond it. it's about control of migration. it's always been about control. >> but the speech didn't go completely smoothly, with the prime minister making an embarrassing gaffe when referring to the return of hostages in gaza. he said sausages instead . nora forster. sausages instead. nora forster. >> i call again for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. the return of the sausages. >> and it hasn't gone unnoticed, with conservative leadership hopeful tom tugendhat saying sir keir starmer simply can't deliver. >> that was a banger of a speech, but he can't even cook up a decent line. i mean, the problem is he's really made a complete hash of it, hasn't he? and none of it's worked out at all. all he's done is he's demonstrated the arrogance of somebody who simply can't deliver. frankly, he's fried the whole thing in bananas and made a complete mess of it. >> meanwhile, the home secretary says labour is a party of law and order, vowing to crack down on street crime, targeting offenders like street drinkers

and shoplifters. opening the third day of the labour conference in liverpool, yvette cooper has pledged to introduce ronan's law banning ninja swords, earning her a standing ovation. she also promised buffer zones around abortion clinics. we've been speaking to people in glasgow who've responded to the news if they feel it is necessary. >> the example i heard this morning was if they had, you know, a young person who had been involved in a rape sort of idea and they were choosing to abort the child . and then facing abort the child. and then facing all the people outside protesting. good. >> if people want to have that abortion, they have the right to an abortion. and i don't see why people should. >> i believe it is a good thing because people have got to take a look at all these different safeguarding issues and what it can mean amongst the community, and you don't want people to feel endangered or unsafe with

it. >> now, in other news, the defence secretary, john healey, has chaired an emergency cobra meeting to discuss the escalating crisis in the middle east, while the prime minister has called for restraint and de—escalation. it comes as israeli airstrikes continue to hit hezbollah positions, with the israeli military claiming it has killed hezbollah commander ibrahim mohamed kabashi in an airstrike on beirut. at least 550 people, including women and children, have been killed so far in lebanon's deadliest 24 hours in decades. half a million people have fled southern lebanon. airlines have cancelled dozens of flights, and lebanese hospitals are overwhelmed with more than 1800 wounded. speaking after the cobra meeting, john healey advised british nationals to leave the region. >> well, our concern is always for the safety of british nationals. and our advice to them is to leave lebanon. now, that hasn't changed. and this was a meeting simply to make

sure that we've got plans in place for future developments . place for future developments. >> now, back in the uk, a 15 year old boy who was stabbed to death in south—east london has been named, while two men have now been arrested on suspicion of murder. the metropolitan police said the victim was john campbell and his family are being supported by specialist officers. two men, aged 52 and 18, have now been arrested and remain in police custody . now, remain in police custody. now, the government says securing an agreement with striking nurses is an essential step to restoring public services after they turned down a 5.5% pay rise. two thirds of royal college of nursing members voted against the deal, in a record turnout of 145,000. labour minister pat mcfadden insists the government understands the challenge of balancing public spending while trying to treat workers fairly. those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to michelle for the

very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you very much for that. i am michelle dewberry and i'm with you until 7:00 tonight alongside me, my panel, annunziata rees—mogg and the former brexit party mep . sorry. former brexit party mep. sorry. yeah. and tom buick, the education consultant and visiting professor. good evening to both of you. you're very welcome tonight as that . each welcome tonight as that. each and every single one of you at home. what's on your mind tonight? get in touch with me all the usual ways you can email gb views @gbnews. com tweet or text me. or of course you can do what you want. you can take me on the car if you need to nip out. you can put me on the radio wherever you are though, you're very welcome tonight, as per usual, because you know the drill. it is about you guys as well. look, the prime minister,

he gave his big keynote speech today at the labour party conference in liverpool. we're going to come on to it in just a second. but i can tell you now it's going to be spoken about for months to come for a bit of a gaffe. listen i call again for an immediate ceasefire in gaza, the return of the sausages, the return of the sausages. i'm telling you now, my inbox has been filled with sausage innuendos since that gaffe happened. and i've been thinking what was on his mind? why was he thinking about sausages? maybe he was thinking about this. do you remember this? >> the next, next thing? he went to on were sausages. why should he do sausages? well, george next door gives you sausages. you know, he comes out every thursday with a plate of sausages, you know, and puts them back door step and then goes and has a good tucking. tell us what you have on. on thursday, prince. what's yours give you, prince. >> what ?

>> what? >> what? >> sorry, i couldn't help it if you remember that i'm telling you remember that i'm telling you now, you're officially old anyway . look, let me give you anyway. look, let me give you the context. shall we? why? he was talking about sausages. here it is in its entirety. just so you know, what on earth has been going on? >> all parties to pull back from the brink . i call again for >> all parties to pull back from the brink. i call again for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. the return of the sausages, the hostages and a ceasefire. >> he was actually talking about the very serious situation in >> he was actually talking about the very serious situation in the very serious situation in the very serious situation in the middle east. now, whilst the middle east. now, whilst there's been a lot of people there's been a lot of people making fun of the gaffe and i've making fun of the gaffe and i've got to confess, it is quite got to confess, it is quite funny when you look at some of funny when you look at some of the jokes and the memes that are the jokes and the memes that are going around. i do, i do confess going around. i do, i do confess to laughing at them, but there are a lot of people actually, to laughing at them, but there are a lot of people actually, that are quite upset today that are quite upset today saying that. keir starmer saying saying that. keir starmer saying that when he was talking about that when he was talking about israeli hostages, many people israeli hostages, many people are interpreting this with fury, are interpreting this with fury, saying it is reflective of keir saying it is reflective of keir starmer not taking their needs starmer not taking their needs

seriously. >> i was actually talking about seriously. >> i mean, to be fairto keir >> i mean, to be fair to keir starmer , i think anyone can starmer, i think anyone can misspeak, but this was a particularly poor word to get wrong and to get wrong in such a amusing, if accidentally amusing way i am. thank you michelle. definitely officially old. i remember that live far too well 1979. >> that clip, that dog clip it got reshared a lot, i know, and it wasn't true. i hate to break it wasn't true. i hate to break it all to you. that dog couldn't actually speak. but anyway, that gaffe. it is quite a shame actually. we will come on in a second to some of the key points that he was making, but yeah, like i said, it's really divided people and it has actually caused quite a lot of upset. >> i'm also old enough to remember the original spitting image, and i think there will be people in labour's high command tonight. glad, glad that that programme isn't still on air, but look a serious point. you know, he was of course referring to 101 hostages who have not seen their families since october the 7th, and that terrorist attack by hamas. and

that's obviously what makes it, i think, a particularly serious gaffe . that said, though, gaffe. that said, though, i agree with you, nancy. after everybody misspeaks, including those in high office and in politics, not least when they're reading the autocue, and he did correct himself very quickly. >> he did. but i think it does make it all the less forgivable that just outside labour party conference, there are people talking of the genocide being committed by israel, which

talking of the genocide being committed by israewhen ch talking of the genocide being committed by israewhen this it's really worrying when this isn't actually top and centre of his mind. and instead his breakfast is . but everyone does breakfast is. but everyone does make mistakes. >> it is hard, especially when you're speaking, when you're speaking in an alive and live environment, you know, everyone's watching you . you're everyone's watching you. you're under pressure. i mean, you know, that is his job. he is supposed to be able to handle all the pressure. but, you know, it was a very unfortunate mistake to make when talking about such a sensitive issue as you allude to . we had you allude to. we had a protester again today. he had a pre—prepared line for him, though, didn't he? he was, you know, it's not 2019. the party has moved on. whatever, whatever. but he was very robust on that. he's saying that we call again for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. and so on and so forth. he's had a lot of criticism. the labour party's had a lot of criticism for their approach to this topic. he did misspeak. >> but i think in terms of the labour party sensitivities, i mean, i was in the conference hall four years ago, actually, when jeremy corbyn was leader of the opposition, and it was

festooned with palestinian flags. so i think labour has learnt from the past where it has not only misspoke, but misstepped. i think around this very, very sensitive conflict, but look at the substance of what the prime minister said today.labouris what the prime minister said today. labour is behind a two state solution . it does want to state solution. it does want to see a ceasefire every night now on our tv screens, we're seeing television, screens, we're appropriate for teatime appalling pictures of what's televisionscreens, we're seeing on our tv screens, we're seeing appalling pictures of what's happening in lebanon with happening in lebanon with bombing of civilian areas. i bombing of civilian areas. i know the israelis, the idf would know the israelis, the idf would say that they're taking out say that they're taking out hezbollah terrorists who , let's hezbollah terrorists who , let's hezbollah terrorists who, let's be clear, are not exactly on the hezbollah terrorists who, let's be clear, are not exactly on the side of israel. so it is a very side of israel. so it is a very sensitive situation. but i think sensitive situation. but i think the fact that he did correct the fact that he did correct himself immediately, i think himself immediately, i think you've got to give the guy the you've got to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. and it benefit of the doubt. and it wasn't that long ago. do you wasn't that long ago. do you remember david cameron, who remember david cameron, who famously on a radio station, say famously on a radio station, say the word, but he talked about the word, but he talked about too many tweets? maker. you too many tweets? maker. you know, i mean, we've prime know, i mean, we've prime ministers have been there before ministers have been there before and have been shown. and have been shown. >> i remember what people called >> i remember what people called jeremy hunt when they're jeremy hunt when they're apparently misspeaking about apparently misspeaking about him. that word is not him. that word is not

appropriate for teatime appropriate for teatime television. but look, he did indeed , keir starmer bring up indeed, keir starmer bring up a number of things that he wanted to focus on. one of these was so—called hillsborough law duty of candour. i think i might have a clip, actually, that i can play a clip, actually, that i can play to show you that law for liverpool, a law for the 97, a law that people shouldn't have had to fight so hard to get. >> because today i can confirm that the duty of candour will apply to public authorities and pubuc apply to public authorities and public servants. the bill will include criminal sanctions and that the hillsborough law will be introduced to parliament before the next anniversary in april. >> big round of applause for that. do you agree with that? >> i do, our public servants have a duty to be truthful. yes is it much more important that we have timely investigations when things go wrong? i think thatis when things go wrong? i think that is of much more concern to the families who have lost loved onesin the families who have lost loved ones in all sorts of different

circumstances , when they have to circumstances, when they have to wait decades for any form of justice at all. >> tom, at one level, i mean, it is a pity that we need a law. actually, we need to legislate. it's an artist saying, i think it should come with the territory as a public servant, you should speak with with candoun you should speak with with candour. and there are already mechanisms, for example, for

conviction around that. to get a conviction around that. and i suspect there are there are there will be prosecutions in the future that will go down this route rather than down the misconduct in public office. yeah. >> because i think often people want to see justice being done. people often get in touch with me about some of these big scandals and say, well, we want criminal prosecutions. it's not just enough for people to, i don't know, be suspended or whatever . people want to see whatever. people want to see people behind bars when they've been held and found responsible for significant failings, speaking of significant failings, homelessness, that was an issue that keir starmer touched on as well. he talked about, veterans that have served the country having houses for them. listen every town and city in this country , people who were in this country, people who were prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice for our nation, who put their lives on the line to protect all of us, but who will not have a safe place to sleep tonight .

tonight. >> we cannot stand by and let this happen any more. so today i can announce that this we'll get on to that. and the reas announce that this government will respect that can announce that this government will respect that service. we will repay those who service. we will repay those who served us and house all veterans served us and house all veterans in housing need. homes will be in housing need. homes will be there for heroes . we can make there for heroes . we can make there for heroes. we can make there for heroes. we can make the very same promise to other there for heroes. we can make there for heroes. we can make the very same promise to other people at risk of homelessness. people at risk of homelessness. young care leavers, victims of young care leavers, victims of domestic abuse. they will have domestic abuse. they will have the security they deserve. they the security they deserve. they will have a roof over their head will have a roof over their head because britain belongs to them . because britain belongs to them . because britain belongs to them. >> station for that, lots of because britain belongs to them. >> station for that, lots of support and appreciation for support and appreciation for that policy. i was absolutely that policy. i was absolutely delighted to see this. >> this announcement today and delighted to see this. >> this announcement today and indeed, you know, real policy indeed, you know, real policy announcements and an otherwise announcements and an otherwise quite policy like speech. and quite policy like speech. and we'll get on to that. and the we'll get on to that. and the

reasons for reasons for that, but, you know, as someone who's a former foster care leaver, to see care leavers as one of the three groups that will get home over their head as of law, as of. right. that's something as a civilised society , something as a civilised society, we should have been doing a very long time ago, and i think there will be people watching this as well who've suffered domestic violence or know someone in the family who's gone through domestic violence, or they've got someone who's served in the armed forces and fallen on bad times. i think this is the least we can do. and it's great rhetoric. >> it's great rhetoric. and like you, i was very pleased to hear that i was nodding along because all of those vulnerable groups are people that we all want to see safe . but do you believe see safe. but do you believe it's going to happen? >> well, it will happen because the housing law will change. i mean, one of the problems at the moment and why we've got so many street homeless rough sleepers is because, you know , our arcane is because, you know, our arcane housing law, for example, only tends to recognise families. you know, those with children . know, those with children. that's why we've got 300,000 children living in bed and breakfast accommodation because

they're homeless , because of they're homeless, because of actually these no fault evictions for example. and that was something else that was announced today that the labour government is going to put an end to because the former tory government had it on the, as a bill, but then backed off at the last minute. so i think these are actually solid, practical things, michel, which demonstrate actually that we have got now a more progressive government in power. and that's something i obviously would welcome. >> so you're a happy man tonight. >> i'm far more cynical that , of >> i'm far more cynical that, of course, we all want homes for heroes, care leavers, victims of domestic abuse to be able to have a roof over their head. >> but where are those roofs going to come from that we have got that was announced today. they might be loosening up planning, but how many houses are we going to have built in the next six months? this is announced as though overnight there is going to be change, that priorities will be changed. what will actually happen is that who is on a priority list

and who is not will change it might be a different cohort of people who end up lower down the chain and not getting somewhere to live, but it won't change the fundamentals. they've already announced that asylum seekers are going to be made eligible for these homes. we are

are going to be made eligible for these homes. beings direction. but it's being outstripped by immigration, which keir starmer barely touched on. >> well, the last government were in power for 14 years. at least seven of that 10 million people came in and swelled our population during that time. we should have been building at least 600,000 housing units a yeah least 600,000 housing units a year. we were struggling to build between 200 and 50 300,000. so that's why we've got the housing crisis we've got. >> but and that's the target that keir starmer has got over five years is 300,000 a year. and so far he hasn't begun to meet it. he's got a long way to go. >> but i think there are people watching this. you know when they go out and do their shop. and michelle, i know you actually talk to homeless people quite a lot on your rounds and it's just a disgrace when you trip over people who say, yes, i served in afghanistan or even i served in afghanistan or even i served in afghanistan or even i served in the falklands that long ago, and they're sleeping rough or through no fault of their own. they've been in foster care and they've been kicked out because the state stopped supporting them at a certain age, and because they're

no longer corporate parents to them. i think we can put an end to that scandal. but we also need a holistic strategy around housing, decent housing for everyone. >> we all agree that those people need the extra support and that they need safety and security of where they can live , security of where they can live, but we've got to be realistic. you can't have every single group of people at the top of a priority list for a very limited resource, and keir starmer did not say that he was going to build over the entire country. he said he was going to loosen the planning laws somewhat, open up brownfield, so on and so forth. this is very limited steps. they are well below their target for the first eight weeks of housebuilding into this year, of housebuilding into this year, of their five year tenure, they have got to do a massive catch up to make their 1.5 , and 1.5 is up to make their 1.5, and 1.5 is nowhere near enough anyway. >> are you on the housing list? if so, how long have you been on it? when you hear about all these new people on the priorities, how does that make you feel? help for heroes i was

interested in their response. they say that the promises re the veterans housing is promising , the veterans housing is promising, but the veterans housing is promising , but they flagged promising, but they flagged something that's very important and i don't think it's just affecting this group. they're saying that homelessness doesn't often exist just in isolation . often exist just in isolation. they're saying that there's other issues that are care, particularly they say with veterans, some of the transition back to civvy street is very difficult. so you've got to have that whole wraparound support as well, i see that's a key question, isn't it? it's all well and good just putting someone in a flat. but are you going to support them when they're there. what do you reckon? do you feel optimistic about some of these promises or not? the conversation continues. also yvette cooper speaking out today as well. we'll look at it in

hello there michelle dewberry annunziata, rees—mogg and tom buick told seven. look we were just having this conversation

about the housing and where does the priority lie? where should it lie? what is the order? and this was one of the things that many people were saying. we have so many vulnerable and needy people in our society that are currently being failed. we've just been discussing them, the veterans on the streets, you've got care leavers, you've got, you know, british citizens on the streets. it's awful. it's a real shame on our society. when you see what's going on. and then the flip side of this is that people hear, well, these so—called asylum seekers will also be prioritised for housing and that will upset a lot of people because they will see it in the sense of fairness they will feel. that's not fair. >> but they're here. they need to be housed. they don't have access to work. >> british people are here. yeah, they're already here. they've been here a very long time, but they are here. why should they? why should they be kicked lower down the list? >> 70% of people that are coming across, for example, on, on the small boats are from four countries that we would accept under international law. a war torn countries, afghanistan, syria for example. so the fact

is, these people are here. and as i said, just i think it was in the break, you know, the alternative is that we are tripping over these people on our high streets. >> well, instead, we trip over british citizens because housing the prime minister is prioritised those people, which i think is really important. but he's just announced that he's increasing the level of priority for asylum seekers who will now be able to go into social housing in a way that they haven't been permitted to before . haven't been permitted to before. and you can't put everyone at the top of the list. that means that other people are being kicked out. that means british citizens are being put down the priority list. it will be british people we trip over instead of why the immigration? >> why the asylum seekers are joining that prioritisation list. and by the way, there's always been a prioritisation in our housing policy. always been a prioritisation in our housing policy . absolutely. our housing policy. absolutely. it's because the last government had this crackpot idea of putting literally, in some cases , putting literally, in some cases, thousands, if not hundreds of people at the end of people's streets, whether it was in, abandoned airfields or on the bibby stockholm . people don't bibby stockholm. people don't want that kind of concentration of people at the bottom of their

road either, which is why we should be deporting them to rwanda to be processed. >> and if you ask for that, let's go back to tony blair, who said back in the early 2000 that once people were here because of the echr, it was almost impossible to remove them . impossible to remove them. >> yeah. see, this conversation is not going to end, is it? i mean, we could go around on this one, all the time. one of my viewers just got in touch. i find this very upsetting. i hope you don't mind me reading this out. you've got in touch with me, and you said, michelle, i am a homeless 73 year old pensioner. i've been homeless since february and i'm on the homeless list and i've been given a realistic time scale of five years to be housed. i could go into a bed and breakfast, but when you've been looking, you're not allowed to take your dog. i find this really sad, and you tell me that you're now living in a caravan for a short period of time, i find this. i find that such an upsetting story. it

does go on, i worked, i reveal all of the personal ins and outs of that. someone else has got in touch telling me that their sister was on the housing list for 21 years. goodness gracious me. i mean, these lists, they are incredibly long from some of the stories that you're telling me , john says, my daughter had me, john says, my daughter had to wait six years for social housing. she and her partner had two children. look one of the things that keir starmer was also talking about today is he's going to when it comes to migration, he acknowledges that there's a legitimate concerns about that. he acknowledges that. and one of the answers to it, he's going on about training more young people. this is an area you're passionate about. >> i mean, i've been writing about this for years. and in fact, even, you know, back in 2009, i remember writing to the then frontbench, the labour government, about freedom of movement and how we were not training plumbers. we were not training plumbers. we were not training people in this country for relatively well—paid jobs, and, you know, just look at

apprenticeships in this country the last few years, the number of 16 to 19 year olds has plummeted by 70%. and, you know, there are 38% fewer apprenticeships starts available for the under 25. meanwhile, we've got 900,000 young people, not in any kind of education, training or productive part of the economy. so it's an absolute scandal that we've arrived in that sort of position. so i think today what was important about what the prime minister said is really linking, you know , said is really linking, you know, the skilled visas that we've been given out often, by the way, in skill shortage areas, where at the same time we're seeing the apprenticeship numbers drop. so, you know, the fact that we're now going to join up these two things, we need a sensible points based visa immigration system for the workers that , yes, the economy workers that, yes, the economy needs because we're an open, growing economy or we want to be, but we also need to be ensuring that that labour supply the millions that are not activated. it's not just those 900,000 young so—called neets, but it's also the 5 million or so that have been parked on many of whom by the last government parked on these incapacity and

sickness benefits. and we need some action on that as well. well, he was talking about benefits as well. >> one of the things that he was saying was it's going to get tough on benefit fraud and things like that today. >> he did. but i think this policy, from what i heard of the speech , is refocusing speech, is refocusing apprenticeships from retraining older people who have found themselves unemployed to purely training the young. but that doesn't in total, that doesn't in total expand the number of people undertaking apprenticeships. should we be training our own? of course we should. when did we stop training our own? under the last labour government, under tony blair, when he decided that university was the target for young people, that 50% of young people should go to university, that made it seem less worthwhile to many people to go and undertake a trade to learn a profession, which meant that he then opened our borders within europe and we brought over plumbers , builders, all sorts of

plumbers, builders, all sorts of technicians from eastern europe. >> maybe i missed a bit, but i thought the introduction to keir starmer was from this guy, this labour voter called matthew. i think he was i think he was a 21 year old. anyway, he introduced keir starmer today. so he was giving this speech about how he succeeded in life, whatever. then he was talking about his friends that have succeeded in life because they have gone to university and now they're successful tradespeople. i'm sure that's what he said. and it pncked sure that's what he said. and it pricked my ears up because i thought, why do you need to go to university to be a successful trades person? why wouldn't you go and do modern apprenticeships or apprenticeships or whatever they go by these days? >> yeah, well, that's been one of the scandals, i think, of the way the last government ran the apprenticeship system. you're quite right. and so two thirds of apprentices went to the over 25. some of those over 25 were unemployed. but i'll tell you what, some of them were people who were ready, qualified up to the eyeballs with degrees, who were then getting a second subsidy. so they're already carrying a student debt average of about £50,000. and the thing

about the apprenticeship levy is it pays in full for the training for the off, the job training. so it was a way often of graduates who couldn't find a job in their graduate field, then coming back into the workforce through a skilled opportunity like apprenticeship. >> this, of course, is another problem with this policy that from what he was saying today, it will be imposed upon businesses . now there are a lot businesses. now there are a lot of businesses. >> how is it going to be imposed that they have to take on apprentices? no, i mean that's never been the case. it has been. >> and it was what he seemed to be saying quite clearly, the state cannot that you have to train people up. and it's certainly true already that big companies have that obligation to take on x percent of their workforce each year. what we're saying is, if you do that, a lot of companies have found that apprentices don't take it seriously. it's got to come from building respect for the trades and learning it and paying them properly, not undercutting with immigrants who will do the job

cheapen >> yeah, but the scam that's been going on with the apprenticeship levy, which labour are committed to expanding to an apprenticeship and growth levy is we've had those employers that do pay for those employers that do pay for those with over £3 million payroll pay into the so—called apprenticeship accounts, so it's money they get to spend back on apprenticeships and what have they been spending it on? management master's programmes. you know, level seven mba programmes. what's been announced today is to get that money into the hands of younger people starting out in their career. as i say, 900,000, not in any kind of education, employment or training is a scandal. so it's about rebalancing that investment back towards those people who need those opportunities . those opportunities. >> and tell me quickly about this, his kind of desire to crack down on benefit fraud. you must support that benefit fraud should of course not be permissible. >> i think that there are certain areas in which people see it as a way of life, and that's not what benefits are there for there to help those who are genuinely in need. and i completely support weeding out those who give people on

benefits, a bad reputation because they're not using it for the purposes. >> at £1.6 billion, which is what the government thinks it can save, and always sort of treat some of those figures, i think, with a pinch of salt, because we've heard it from previous governments about crackdowns on benefit fraud. i do think, though, and i'm surprised actually, gb news hasn't picked up on this today because i think there's a substory to this as well, which is the fact that for the first time, civil servants outside of hmrc are going to be given the power to snoop in to people's bank accounts. now, of course, that you know, if that's tackling fraud and abuse of course, i think most fair minded people would support that, but it is quite a quite a change. >> doesn't it extend to overpaid pensions and stuff? because i'm sure we covered this once before and also tax credits. >> so you know, potentially and i remember actually when the government brought in an extension, for example, to councils to be able to check the dvla database and there were stories of abuse, you know , stories of abuse, you know, people checking up on their neighbours with access to what is highly sensitive data. so whilst everybody i think would

applaud a crackdown on people who are not entitled to certain benefits, at the same time we've got to remember what's also being announced here is a huge extension of the powers of the state to snoop into people's bank accounts. >> one of my viewers has got in touch saying, my partner's daughter has been on the local council council house list for 15 years. there's loads of stories coming in. i mean, i can't even believe how many people are getting in touch with me and giving me their lengths of years that you've been on the list. these are incredible, one of my viewers has said, i've been on the housing list for 16 years. michelle, i'm a 69 year old veteran, and i now live in other people's houses as a lodger , i mean, this is not it's lodger, i mean, this is not it's not a great, position that we found ourselves in, is it? do you feel optimistic? are you in one of the groups i've just mentioned, a veteran there. are you a veteran or a care leaver? do you feel a bit more optimistic by what you've heard today after the break? lots. i want to talk to you about mick lynch. he wants to see us

basically return to the 70s. some are suggesting with extended unions also yvette cooper speaking out today as well. i'll see you in

hello there . michelle dewberry hello there. michelle dewberry annunziata rees—mogg and tom buick till seven. now another person giving a big speech today of course. yvette cooper our home secretary. now she was talking very tough. reckons that labour are the party of law and order. she wants to really get a grip on knife crime. she wants to close a loophole which online organisations are using to sell these so—called zombie knives and things like this. she wants to prioritise what she calls the national emergency of violence against women and girls. your thoughts? >> i felt like we had heard this entire speech at least five times in my adult lifetime, that she came out with lots of platitudes that might sound

good, good soundbites , but are good, good soundbites, but are fundamentally meaningless. she didn't . she said, we'll halve didn't. she said, we'll halve aggression against women and girls, but no indication of how. what are they going to do? there was no actual meat on this at all. >> well, we have heard it before, haven't we? in the sense of i mean, it reminds me, actually, of tony blair's famous speech when he was shadow home secretary about being tough on crime. tough on the causes of crime. tough on the causes of crime. but you know , to be fair crime. but you know, to be fair to yvette, i mean, i do think there were some policy announcements there that most of the country watching us, i think, would get behind the fact that, you know, knife crime has gone up you know, knife crime has gone ”p by you know, knife crime has gone up by 85%. i've just checked the figures, you know, the commitment there to halve knife crime. you can't really run very far away from that commitment. if by the end of this parliament that 85% increase has not been considerably reduced, i think also, i mean, back onto the sort of causes of crime, the fact that she announced the equivalent of surestart centres for teenagers. i mean, one of the things about austerity that

we saw is, you know, the closure of youth clubs, not surprisingly, then we saw youths hanging outside , well—known fast hanging outside, well—known fast food chains and on our streets, often with these zombie knives and ninja knives was the other knife that she announced that the government is outlawing. which, by the way, the conservatives mps in the last government didn't back labour's motion on that. so, you know, steady progress. but ultimately, i think what most british people will judge this government on is are our streets safer? the fact that she also announced today, i think, is it 13,000 pcsos, these, you know, sort of assistant police officers, they were cut under the last government as well. and people do want to see that uniform presence. don't they, on their streets, if they're real police officers, they actually have powers to do stuff. they don't have arresting powers, but often they're with police officers that do have those powers. but it's again, it's about it's certainly not in the countryside. >> they are very much on their own and driving around as individuals with no powers. unfortunately, the nasty people

know that, would we all like a more visible police presence ? more visible police presence? yes. have we been promised it for decades? yes. has it happened? no. they try and hire more policemen and just look at the unbelievable situation that individual police forces got themselves into, where they weren't actually vetting anyone who joined, and the reputational damage that has caused not only to the police, but to respect for the law, it i think this is what has caused an awful lot of this. there is no palpable respect for the police or for the law on our streets, and that you can wander around london now and on every street corner. you can smell drugs, you can see drug deals taking place. no one is taking any notice of the law as it is toughening it up is going to make no difference. >> i don't want to sound like an old biddy, right? and i know i'm about to make myself sound like one, but i had the misfortune the other day to listen. i was

walking behind these three kids. it took me all my willpower not to go and pull their jeans up. to go and pull theirjeans up. the jeans was hanging so far down their backsides, i don't even know how they could walk in a straight line. but anyway, they had this music playing and they had this music playing and the lyrics to this music were so grotesque revolting. i can only assume it's what the young cool kids called drill or whatever it was. it was all about just basically like fighting and drugs and just knives. this it was just awful. i mean, i won't use all the language that they were using because i don't really think it's appropriate for teatime, but i thought, who would let their kids listen to that kind of stuff? why do i sound really old and dare i say it, i think we are in danger of sounding like a certain generation. >> i mean, i think you grew up in the 1980s when i did as well. and there's look, there's always been particularly around youth culture, youth subculture, talking to each other. i know , talking to each other. i know, but like, listen, i mean, i'm from a university where there are sociologists who will lecture you about, you know, moral panics and youth subculture. it's not particularly new that said, you

know, it's what i think the media was glamorising gang violence. >> that was my issue with it. what i was listening to during this very short. >> did you listen to iced tea when you were growing up in the 1980s? i mean, that was quite it was just rapping that would glamorise things that wouldn't pass the sniff test. >> i think that was that was the crucial bit that was missing for me from this speech completely. >> was any sense of individual responsibility that it gave no indication that parents had responsibility to teach their children right from wrong and to police their own families? it gave no indication that individuals have that responsibility. and in fact, we all should. and we all do. >> i thought she used a really interesting line today. she said conference. we can't have social justice without justice, which is another way of speaking to that. that point really without law and order, without respecting our community. you can't have social justice. >> and she also said as well, if people want us to be kind of tough on crime, we've got to accept that you might have to live next door to a new prison.

so if you are in the camp of tough law and order, would you be then willing to live next door to one of those prisons or something like that? because that's what keir starmer yvette cooper was suggesting today. they've got to put them somewhere at the end of your road. does that sound good or not? after the break unions, do we need more expansive unions in this country? a return to the 70s, perhaps? is that the direction of travel we

hello there michelle dewberry alongside me. i've got tom buchanan on sza rees—mogg. i've been asking you whether or not you would live next door to a new prison. i've got to say, you'd have quite tight law and order. you'd be pretty safe, i would imagine, wouldn't you? let me know your thoughts on that. but look, the unions and labour's relationship with them and the future direction of travel is something that many people are paying a keen eye on

at the moment. but look, the rmt boss, mick lynch, he says he was speaking at a fringe event at liverpool's conference. he says essentially he would like to have a return to the 70s and have a return to the 70s and have unions involved in every aspect of the uk's economy. so what do we think to that then? is that a good idea, direction of travel or not? >> no, no, no, this would be a complete disaster that we've already seen. what the influence of the unions has done that inflation has not continued to fall, in part because of the huge pay increases that have been promised, which was a sop to the unions , particularly the to the unions, particularly the train drivers and that you've now got everyone else lining up to have the same. and this will exacerbate the problems with our economy and the trade unions have a worthy cause, but they've got labour in their pockets and they know it. they are their paymasters and i fear that mick lynch might be talking to the

truth when he says they will have complete organisation of the economy of the uk that is deeply worrying, so deeply worrying to you or not, i think comrade lynch should probably have just one too many baby showers at the labour party conference or whatever it is that they're drinking. >> these days. but look, you know, a serious point. you know, the idea that trade unions have anything like the power that they did have in the 1970s. again, you know, there'll be those watching, listening, and certainly on that panel on this panel certainly on that panel on this panel, we can remember. well, i can certainly remember the miners strike in the early 70s and the blackouts, for example, coming home every day, working week, three day working week. and, you know , edward heath, the and, you know, edward heath, the tory prime minister, asked who governs britain and the british people turn round and said, well, not you, mr heath, and put harold wilson in government, who then set about giving the miners a 35% pay increase. so we've moved on a lot, i think, from those days. >> but there'll be workers, there'll be normal average workers watching this are union

members and stuff are saying, well, why shouldn't workers? because what mick lynch is calling for essentially he's acknowledging that we're not where we were in the 70s and 80s and acknowledging that the unions don't have the power that they want. so then a lot of workers will be going, well, hang on a second. we are the lifeblood of the economy. without our effort, you know, businesses won't succeed, the economy won't succeed. so why wouldn't we? and why shouldn't we be accurately represented? >> but when you look at the figures, well, it's only about a third of the british workforce now is covered by a trade union. it tends to be more in the pubuc it tends to be more in the public sector and the professions. and actually, there's a real serious point here. we did have more union membership. i think we wouldn't be so concerned about some of these issues, about the pull factors as to why people want to get on boats and come over here and work in our very deregulated labour market, you know, and the so—called deliveroo economy, you know , i would like to see more know, i would like to see more union representation. but what i'd also like to see are grown up trade unions, like we've seen in germany over the years, and in germany over the years, and in scandinavia, where you often see union representatives on

company boards. actually, you often see unions who are very much involved in, for example, training and apprenticeships and about productivity, about doing good for their companies. not in a sense, unfortunately, in britain, over many decades. we do have a them and us narrative. it's the big bosses with the big money and the bosses, and it's the workers. and, you know, the workers want to get more money out of the bosses. i think we need to move on, actually, from that narrative. >> should workers have a fair deal? absolutely. do companies need to grow and expand and make profits in order to make that a reality? yes. and hamstringing them with new regulations and massive pay increases is not the way to achieve that. and unfortunately, mick lynch and others have it upside down. >> lots of you are getting in touch. one of my viewers says that all unions should be closed down. goodness me, i hope you never find yourself, i don't know, a labourer somewhere where you need to come together with your colleagues, sue says. michelle, i live six doors away from a prison. we would never know. it's there. it's no impact whatsoever. one of my viewers, just got in touch and said the

whole problems are so many problems with society is because of single parent families. he says that if you change that, you'd solve all of the issues. one of my other viewers has said, michelle, do labour not nofice said, michelle, do labour not notice the contradiction when you're on the stage talking about being tough on crime while outside your conference? people are spray painting their messages all over the windows. i hear you, but look, that's all i've got time for, for now, for now, tom. thank you annunziata, thank you, also thanks to thank you to each and every one of you. don't go anywhere, though, but i'll see you tomorrow night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office on gb news. it's going to turn dry for most overnight tonight. it's been a much drier day across england compared to monday and the weekend, but there is more rain to come across the south tomorrow as this weather system

starts to approach. it was this low that brought the heavy rain over the previous 48 hours. that has been clearing away, but we're still seeing quite wet conditions over north—east scotland today . we've also had scotland today. we've also had this northerly wind which is introducing cooler air across much of the country overnight tonight, but the showers are tending to fade. we will see a few more across southern england and south wales. it will stay quite mild here, double digits, but elsewhere, with that cooler air coming in, we're into single figures and some pockets of frost likely across parts of scotland. first thing tomorrow morning we'll still have a few showers coming in first thing as well getting into northern scotland, but these central parts of scotland, that blue hue on the map that is telling us yes, temperatures are going to be down to freezing or a touch below through some sheltered glens. a bright start though, for much of southern scotland and northern ireland. some sunshine tomorrow. just 1 or 2 showers along the north coast, perhaps a few showers over northern england, but a good part of northern england. north wales actually having a fine day tomorrow. quite grey to begin with. across southern counties of england and wales. and here

comes the rain, just edging back in initially across south—west england, south wales, but spreading more widely over southern england and up towards the midlands come the afternoon. as i mentioned, much of northern england, northern ireland, a good chunk of scotland actually just dry and bright tomorrow with some decent spells of sunshine, but it will be on the cool side. temperatures struggling into the low teens a little milder further south, but not feeling all that mild with the wind and the outbreaks of rain which will push north on thursday and could cause some further issues as this line of rain kind of grinds to a halt. so we do have a met office yellow warning in place over much of north east england, parts of southern scotland, northern ireland and north wales. also seeing a wet day but in the south, turning a little milder and a little brighter on thursday. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather

gb news. >> a very, very good evening to you. it's tuesday, the 24th of september and i'm martin daubney covering for the big man, nigel farage. tonight's show starmer slip of the tongue, has proven to be the most memorable moments from his speech at the labour party conference earlier today. yes, the prime minister presumably meaning to say hostages, called for the return of all sausages from gaza. and after weeks of gloomy messaging from the labour party, the prime minister also vowed that there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. is this wishful thinking? or could labour turn around an abysmal start to their parliamentary term ? and the home parliamentary term? and the home secretary, yvette cooper, has vowed to halve knife crime across the uk in a decade, with across the uk in a decade, with a ban on ninja swords. and also the introduction of youth hubs. soon i'll be speaking to a grandmother and knife crime campaigner whose grandson

tragically lost his life in