gb news. >> it's 9 pm. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben, leo. >> and to those who say that the only way to love your country is to hate your neighbour because they look different . i say not they look different. i say not only do we reject you, we know that you will never win. >> keir starmer used his tone deaf conference speech to whitewash concerns over immigration and blame the riots on skin colour. meanwhile. >> but seriously, the flute gave me so many opportunities. my first ever trip abroad was to malta with the croydon youth philharmonic orchestra . philharmonic orchestra. >> have you ever heard of a working class child going to the mediterranean to play flute in an orchestra? >> also today to the tories with their mates in reform are just becoming right wing wreckers. it was arson . was arson. >> it was racism. it was thuggery .

thuggery. >> the home secretary's own big speech was 1800 words long. she said the word immigration just four times. >> and i don't think the story is true. i'm not quite sure where it's come from, but we've no plans to change the pub opening hours. >> yet another labour civil war is brewing, this time over closing pubs early. are they determined to finish off our boozers for good? and? >> and it is clear now that if we change how we treat women in prison, we cut crime. >> they've already let prisoners out early. now they want to scrap female jails altogether. so is britain safe under this government? tonight's panel is ready to go. i'm joined by columnist and broadcaster esther krakue, director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity. stephen wolfe and political commentator jonathan lis. oh, and did this gaffe sum up starmer's day? >> i call again for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. the return of the sausages, the hostages .

the sausages, the hostages. >> starmer's bum note conference speech is . next. speech is. next. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines just after 9:00. sir keir starmer has defended the cut to the winter fuel payment in his first labour conference speech as prime minister. he promised that every pensioner will be better off with labour thanks to the triple lock. he outlined a vision for national renewal, including reforming , national renewal, including reforming, planning, ending the doctor's strike and launching great british energy, which he confirmed would be based in aberdeen. the labour leader also pledged to house all veterans in need, saying homes will be there for heroes. he also said young care leavers and victims of domestic abuse will be given a guaranteed roof over their head.

sir keir starmer by the stabbings in southport. >> i will never let a minority of violent, racist thugs terrorise our community. the debate is not about the worth of migrants. that is toxic and we must move beyond it. it's about control of migration. it's always been about control. >> meanwhile, the justice secretary , shabana mahmood, has secretary, shabana mahmood, has set out plans to slash the number of women going to jail and ultimately close women's prisons as the country battles an overcrowding crisis. >> and it is clear now that if we change how we treat women in prison, we cut crime. we keep families together, and we end the harm that passes from one generation to the next. and for that reason, i am today announcing that this government will launch a new body, the women's justice board .

women's justice board. >> in other news, the defence secretary, john healey, has chaired an emergency cobra meeting today to discuss the escalating crisis in the middle east. while the prime minister has called for restraint and de—escalation. it comes as israeli airstrikes continue to hit hezbollah positions, with the israeli military claiming it has killed hezbollah commander ibrahim mohammed kwasi in an airstrike on beirut. at least 560 people, including women and children, have been killed so far in lebanon's deadliest 24 hours in decades . now, police in hours in decades. now, police in switzerland have made several arrests after a woman reportedly ended her life using a so—called suicide pod. it's understood the capsule made by sako has never been used before. police in the schaffhausen region said they arrested several people on suspicion of inciting, aiding and abetting suicide . assisted and abetting suicide. assisted dying is legally protected in some circumstances in switzerland, but the sako pod has encountered some opposition

and the government says securing and the government says securing an agreement with striking nurses is an essential step to restoring public services after they turned down a 5.5% pay rise. two thirds of royal college of nursing members voted against the deal, in a record turnout of 145,000. labour minister pat mcfadden insists the government understands the challenge of balancing public spending while trying to treat workers fairly . those are the workers fairly. those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to ben for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> good evening. hope you're well. a massive political show in store tonight after, of course, keir starmer and yvette cooper's speeches at the labour

party conference earlier today. here's a flavour of what the prime minister had to say. >> this is a government of service . and that means whether service. and that means whether we agree or not, i will always treat you with the respect of candour, not the distraction of bluster. and the truth is that if we take tough, long term decisions now, if we stick to the driving purpose behind everything we do, then that light at the end of this tunnel that britain that belongs to you, we get there much more quickly. and if you can't take that on faith, perhaps because you're concerned about the winter fuel allowance, then i get that. as i say , if this path get that. as i say, if this path were popular or easy, we'd have walked it already . walked it already. >> well, i'm not sure about you, but i thought that was a great example of how to talk a lot without saying much. but let's get the thoughts of olivia utley who's on the ground in liverpool, who's been analysing

all the action today. olivia, you must be knackered. you've been there since the crack of dawn and indeed for many days. but listen , sir keir starmer but listen, sir keir starmer came into conference off the back of that plunging popularity poll where actually he was worse off than rishi sunak in the ratings. did his speech today do anything to make amends for that ? anything to make amends for that? >> well, this speech was sort of trailed to be a nugget of for hope the british public after what's been quite a lot of doom mongering from the prime minister in recent months. the message that keir starmer was supposed to be giving tonight was yes, there are difficult times ahead, but if we make those tough choices now, if we make those difficult decisions, then there is light at the end of the tunnel and there is a chance of a britain that we can all be proud of. that was the message he was trying to get across. i think the problem for keir starmer was that there was very, very little detail in terms of actual policy announcements. you expect a prime minister's speech at a party conference to be sort of

pretty thin on the ground with policy announcements. they save those for the budget for maybe the king's speech but this one had almost nothing. and i think there are quite a lot of people, both within the labour party and perhaps in the wider public too, who were hoping that that message of hope might be accompanied with perhaps some little nuggets of optimism for the near term future. but we really didn't see very much of that at all. very, very little policy detail. all we saw really was this promise that he would give more housing to veterans . give more housing to veterans. and when quizzed on that, it turns out that veterans are going to be moved higher up the social housing list. it doesn't sound like an absolute cast iron guarantee that all veterans will be housed, and there was no timeline on that. he also announced, but we were all expecting that to really that great british energy will be based in aberdeen. that's a little boost to the people of aberdeen and the surrounding towns, but nothing sort of not no big announcement for the country. also of course, he has been caught up for the whole

week in these freebie scandal and this , it might sound like and this, it might sound like sort of nonsense fluff. one of those westminster stories that people don't care too much about. but it really does matter. for a start, there's obviously the fact that there are now conservatives and other parties suggesting that the prime minister has been hypocritical, that he's a paints himself as a socialist and has then spending all of this other people's money on making himself look good. but i think what's more important is that people are now questioning the prime minister's political nous. the prime minister ran a very, very tight ship for all the years that he was in opposition and dunng that he was in opposition and during the election campaign, the labour party was incredibly disciplined , almost never going disciplined, almost never going off message . but ever since off message. but ever since they've got into power, just two and a half months ago, that discipline seems to have really slipped. and a lot of mps i've spoken to have actually been questioning perhaps the wisdom of the people around the prime minister for not warning him about this. you remember, of course, that the prime minister was only elected as an mp in 2015. he is still a little bit

wet behind the ears, and i think thatis wet behind the ears, and i think that is beginning to show. i think it would just finally be remiss of me not to mention, as it was sort of the highlight of the speech , the enormous gaffe the speech, the enormous gaffe from keir starmer, where he accidentally , when talking about accidentally, when talking about wanting hamas to release the hostages, he accidentally said the sausages . and that's been the sausages. and that's been the sausages. and that's been the main takeaway from that entire conference speech, which i don't think is exactly what the prime minister would have wanted. >> no, what a shame. for him, it's that's the part of the speech that's been making all the headlines. i mean, i kind of feel sorry for him, but a slip of the tongue came at the worst possible time. olivia, thank you so much for your analysis. we'll catch up with you tomorrow. i think wes streeting is making his speech tomorrow. the health secretary. but let's get the thoughts of my panel tonight. i am welcomed by columnist and broadcaster esther krakue, the director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity. stephen wolf , and prosperity. stephen wolf, and political commentator jonathan lis. jonathan love your trousers. thank you. where are they from? all the important m atters. matters. >> first, i can't actually

remember the brand right now, but i'll get back to you. >> i'm teasing you. some viewers suggesting that they are akin to maybe sort of clown trousers or jester trousers, which i don't need any. >> i don't need any assistance. >> i don't need any assistance. >> some would say is fitting for the labour party conference today. what do you make of that? what do you make of them? >> they're very fetching. i think. >> i think i think they match the colour of your eyes as well. you know, i love it when you wear clothes. >> i'm glad. i'm so glad there's someone in there. someone on this channel actually really likes me, i have more of this piece, what did i think of this, i sort of agree. obviously, olivia is coming at it from a specific particular angle. i mean, it doesn't it wasn't a game changer. i think that if you liked keir starmer before, you'll still like him now, although obviously we know there are a few people that like him that maybe did at one point. and if you hated him before, you'll hate him now again, so you know, i think that labour has got itself into a trap with the, winter fuel cuts and this would be, you know, now it's a question of a kind of strength and kind of credibility . so they

and kind of credibility. so they have to carry on with it, even though they, they don't need to. so what was your favourite part of the speech? >> what most impressed you? >> what most impressed you? >> i think that when he was talking about a national renewal, i think that's the kind of thing that is going to hit home. and how he does that mean, he said. he said that it wasn't about delivering a few labour policies. well, it was about the way that we can actually change the country because i think the one thing that we can all agree one thing that we can all agree on was that people in this country do want change. people were voting against the conservatives, but they were also voting against what they saw as a stagnation in the country. >> but i can't recall any policies. he talks about on stage today. i mentioned it over there. he talked a lot, but i really don't understand what he said. really? >> yeah, it was it was very it was very, like olivia said, very thin on the ground. i mean, look, i'll start with the positives first because i think it's important to at least say something. it's clear that he's been working with the speech coach. he was trying to he had some sort of, impactful pauses. should i say it was a lot more polished. i've noticed that about him. so he's making more of an effort with his image, which is something that's the

positives, the negatives. >> i think with £2,000 spent. >> i think with £2,000 spent. >> yes. well, yes. but i think he's being particularly on his comments about sort of the southport riots and all of these things. i think he's being deliberately obtuse. i think he's he's choosing to ignore the elephant in the room. and i think one, the key takeaway that many people are going to take from what he said, particularly about the southport riots, is the fact that, you know, it was and yvette cooper speech, it was the racists that are trying to divide this country is the people that are divisive and all of that, as if the country would be rejoicing if the person that murdered three little girls at a taylor swift dance class was white. and i think that's most people are not going to pretend like that's not really the message that he's sending, or the fact that he didn't really address people's concerns around not immigration, not just immigration, but integration . immigration, but integration. right. you can have a neighbour, but are you on the same page about the values that you're sharing in the space that you're sharing? >> i'm going to do a whole people are going to remember that whole segment at the 10:00 on there, trembling down on the riots and the race row. stephen wolf , what is

riots and the race row. stephen wolf, what is a right wing wrecker? a bit of a mouthful. what's a right wing wrecker that yvette cooper talked about today? well any idea? well, are you one? well i obviously clearly am, because i'm somebody who believes that we should have a managed migration policy controlling those people who are coming across illegally on asylum. >> i believe that we should have low taxation and businesses should be supported. we should be looking after our own military. all of those sort of things are regarded as right wing wrecker. but what i'm interested about keir starmer is that there he is trying to project himself on the world stage as somebody who is sensible. martin luther king had a speech i had a dream. john f kennedy talks about we can go to the moon and what what does keir starmer say? sausages >> oh come on, come on, come on. >> that's that's what's going to go. miliband. miliband had bacon sandwiches. he's going to be reminded for his sausages i was trying to i think he was trying to go for the whole democrat line of joy. >> but again most most people

are joyless. >> but he was channelling his gordon brown. >> it was also empty. how do you feel, joy, when you have a prime minister? and wrapped in the scandal of accepting over £100,000 worth of freebies, and yet he's taking away the winter fuel allowance for pensioners who's probably just £8 over. >> i don't look, i don't think, i don't think this thing is a scandal. i think that what you've had in the last week is four different issues put into one pot. so you've got the issue of political donations, which we have, which we can have a big conversation about in this country. how do we fund politics, which shouldn't be because we don't have a publicly funded model of politics. then you've got the issue of freebies, gifts, etc. and then you've got, the story about sue gray and salaries and stuff like that. and then finally and then but jonathan, this is coming to the crux of what he's trying to project . project. >> he is attempting to project himself as being a sensible aduh himself as being a sensible adult in the room, competent, bringing back responsible government. and yet, on the contrary to that, there we have him doing the opposite. instead of handing back the money that

he's taken away and saying that contributes to those people, that we're taking cash away. he's actually overseeing a group of people now, which is legitimising low level grants . legitimising low level grants. >> stephen, low level, i think that we have to we have to be serious about this. there there is a we can have a conversation about gifts, but it's the majority of people who took money actually in the last year were conservatives. more conservative people. but jonathan to by the labour and the conservatives took more money. >> labour have been running on for years saying look at the tories, look how disgraceful they are. >> no, no hypocrisy and no one ever complained. >> let me finish. the moment they get into power, they do the same thing. absolutely. and do you know what? i don't think anyone can trust anything keir starmer says. look at this clip. >> but seriously, the flute gave me so many opportunities. my first ever trip abroad was to malta with the croydon youth philharmonic orchestra . philharmonic orchestra. >> so just before that he was banging on about how he grew up in a working class household, working class background, what

working class background, what working class background, what working class child goes to the mediterranean to play flute with his philharmonic? >> what do you mean working class? what? so working class people can't have access to music? >> oh, yeah. yeah pretty much. yeah. >> i mean, it's very early days. music. >> music lessons are very expensive. >> to be fair, it was growing up in my estate, first mel stride and then burnage. that would have been seen as something only for those on the upper middle class. >> but we know he went to a grammar school. it might. well, he went to a grammar school. >> yeah, it might well have been. but he's not lacking something. he's gone to a grammar school and now he's tried to take away the opportunities for people like me. >> no, he's trying to give people the opportunity to have music classes. stephen. he's trying to give people i think i think a lot of the look, a lot of the a lot of the criticism that seems trivial, but it's not. >> he's banging on about being working class and knowing how he is. i don't know of any working class kid in my in my age from, you know, millennials who went abroad to play instruments. >> he was in a, he was in, in a philharmonic orchestra. >> it sounds i don't i don't, i don't know if this is i'm sure

this is not what you're trying to get at, but it does sound a bit like what working class people should know their place and not have aspirations to things. >> i have to agree with jonathan just because it doesn't make a difference to me. i don't really care about the perception of what working class kids do or whatever, or the fact that the fact that his father was a toolmaker, which i can't believe he doesn't see the irony there. i'm more interested in the substance. i'm more interested in what he wants to do for people, and i don't think there's much there. and i think this whole kind of polished facade and he has polished his his image a lot more. he's he's much more competent public speaken much more competent public speaker. but that's what makes me distrust him more because he's he's confidently saying things and almost gaslighting the public. you can be a much more polished speaker, but to then say something like all the riots or all the, the distaste around immigration is driven by around immigration is driven by a sense. >> is desperation a problem he is desperate to try and appear to be back, to be working class. and he spent most of his life escaping it and remaining away from it and not involving himself in it. the guy that sets up a set of chambers in as a barrister, along with those people who've got money off

those people who are challenging him . him. >> so he should have just worked a manual job. is that what you're saying? he's a working class. i didn't get a manual job. >> so what's the problem then? >> so what's the problem then? >> very quickly, i recognise that i'm still working class. my family are still there and i don't go around attributing all these economically. >> you're not economically, you're not working class anymore. no, you are not. okay, fine. but that's that's not an economic argument. that's not an economic argument. that's not an economic argument. that's not an economic argument. >> it's it sounds like a trivial point. and you may laugh at me for it , but i point. and you may laugh at me for it, but i just don't understand. i know many working class people. i come from a working class background. i don't understand how a working class child, unless they're very, very lucky, will go . but very, very lucky, will go. but maybe he was lucky to play the flute in a philharmonic. he was. >> he was lucky. he's saying that. and he wants other he wants other people to have the same opportunities he did. that's completely legitimate. >> yeah. okay. all right. time for our great british giveaway. bit of a gear change and your chance to win the equivalent of having an extra three grand in your bank account each month for the next year. that's a whopping 36 grand in tax free cash. maybe you could go abroad to the mediterranean and play your instrument in a philharmonic orchestra. here's all the

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good luck. >> very good luck to you. we're still nattering about playing the flute and being working class. i just think, look, honestly, i just think it's just inauthentic to do that, to say you're working class and playing the flute. but anyway, we move on. still to come. what does this mean for the tories with their mates in reform are just becoming right wing wreckers ? becoming right wing wreckers? yes, that was the home secretary, yvette cooper, who lashed out at the tories and reform, accusing them of fanning the flames of last month's riots. so is she right that the tories, with their mates in reform, are just becoming so—called right wing wreckers? bit of a mouthful. reform uk mp rupert lowe goes head to head with a labour adviser. james matthewson in just a

tick. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo only on gb news. time now for our head to head. news. time now for our head to head . now while sir keir starmer head. now while sir keir starmer might have taken centre stage at the labour party conference today, the home secretary, yvette cooper, was also speaking and it was her comments about last month's riots that certainly raised some eyebrows. >> i've been shocked by the response from some of those in political parties on the right who once claimed to care about law and order after rioters attacked the police. they should have given full throated backing

to our brave officers instead. too often we have seen them undermine the integrity and authority of the police . the authority of the police. the tories, with their mates in reform, are just becoming right wing wreckers . wing wreckers. >> cooper was, of course, referring to last month's riots that were sparked by the death of three girls at a taylor swift dance class in southport, with many on the left quick to label the rioters as far right thugs. so tonight i'm asking was the home secretary right, that the tories, with their mates in reform are just becoming right wing wreckers who make excuses for the mob? let me know your thoughts by heading to gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews and while you're there, vote in the poll. i'll bring you the results very shortly. going head to head on this now are reform uk mp rupert lowe and former labour adviser james matthewson good morning to you. good afternoon or good evening rather. i'm so used to doing breakfast and morning shows on this channel. it's, it's wired in. rupert, i'll start with you. thank you for joining in. rupert, i'll start with you. thank you forjoining me,

in. rupert, i'll start with you. thank you for joining me, what is a right wing wrecker? and are you one of them? >> well, firstly , leo, let me >> well, firstly, leo, let me say that i don't think in the history of this country, we've ever been led by such left wing virtue signalling, pork barrelling clowns, which we've now got in power, to call us right wing is a misnomer. we are not right wing. we are simply representative of the british people. and the reason that people. and the reason that people are voting for reform is because the duopoly, which is labour and the tories, have increasingly moved to the left, supported by a very woke media. and at the end of the day, they've lost sight of what reality is. so what we represent is reality for the british people . and i frankly think that people. and i frankly think that whilst nobody condones violence, if yvette cooper keir starmer and the other sort of, gift receiving labour party frontbench , ultimately if they frontbench, ultimately if they don't listen to the public, the

public, quite rightly, is concerned about mass legal and illegal immigration, which is the root cause of all our problems. and if they don't address that , then we will be address that, then we will be doing to labour what we did to the tories last time and red wall seats will all go to reform. and i don't think it's fair to call us right wing. we're not right wing, we're just representative of common sense, decency and the british people. >> james reform have five mps to labour's 400 plus. why is yvette cooper even mentioning them in her speech today? i mean, i heard about more about reform than i did her policy on immigration. >> well, she's talking about the safety of the country. she's talking about security. she's talking about security. she's talking about security. she's talking about our police force , talking about our police force, which is her responsibility. and she would be wrong to not mention the riots, because they were such a news piece. i mean, were such a news piece. i mean, we had rolling coverage, including on this channel. >> what's that got to do with reform ? >> reform? >> what does it have to do with reform ? >> reform? >> yeah. what are the riots got to do with reform ? rupert lowe to do with reform? rupert lowe donates his his five grand a month salary to charity. i mean,

what what's he got to do with rioting? >> i'm sorry, but i think rupert lowe can defend himself. i don't think he needs you to do it. so what you see from yvette cooper today is exactly the situation. exactly the reality. she is talking about reform. she's talking about reform. she's talking about reform. she's talking about many other people, including reform. not just reform, but those people who stirred the pot. those people who on political platforms. and that's the crucial thing here, actually encouraged or allowed this , this, this activity to this, this, this activity to happenin this, this, this activity to happen in communities, communities like the community that i come from in the north—east of england, where businesses were destroyed, the police were attacked, and we had complete loss of law and order. we had rolling coverage of it, of course we did in the media, as rupert says, the woke media apparently, which i don't know if that includes you, ben, but i would love to know what his definition of woke is. >> only on weekends, james. only on weekends, rupert, you must admit you are, you know, if not far. right? reform is indeed widely accepted as centre right . widely accepted as centre right. >> i don't accept that. i get very irritated by. it's largely a sort of bbc, the woke

monopolistic bbc. ben not represent. can i can i speak james? you've had yours. you've given us your little bit . and at given us your little bit. and at the end of the day haven't done very to protect the two policemen who did an extremely jimbo. because because nobody is actually deaung because nobody is actually dealing with the issue. so i think for you to start speaking about the way the police are being treated, i think you need to take a good look at that before you start preaching about that. but what i would say is we are not far right if labour and the tories , as i call them, the tories, as i call them, a duopoly there as george galloway says, there are two cheeks of the same backside. they have lost touch with the british people with. i mean, london, i think is a lost cause, but actually outside london, in my old constituency, the west midlands , in other parts of the midlands, in other parts of the country where i actually run businesses, unlike james, who i think most of his career has beenin think most of his career has been in the media, at the end of the day, these are real people

who have to work extremely hard for their living. they don't pork barrel living on the back of a bloated state, which is what we now have. and they've completely lost touch with reality. you know, we've got 9 million people who aren't working. we've got a society which is dysfunctional. we're far too highly taxed. the state is far too big. there's absolutely no accountability to the to the taxpayer, which is the to the taxpayer, which is the british public. and at the end of the day, radical change is needed. and if people don't vote for reform in the next election, there's not going to be very much left to great britain. because i can tell you something, this economy is not going to improve. okay, let me bnng going to improve. okay, let me bring james in labour government that hasn't got a clue. >> james, you talk about law and order, but does law and order look like setting thousands of prisoners free before their sentences are up or or closing female prisons as the justice? >> rather, i would rather deal with what rupert just said, if you don't mind. first, i haven't worked in the media my whole life at all, but i left school

at 16 with no gcses. i worked my whole life. i've worked there through the trade union movement and ended up by accident in politics. you, however, are a private school , private school private school, private school individual who was in the city of london as a banker. >> i'm proud of that, james. >> i'm proud of that, james. >> i'm proud of that, james. >> i'm trying. >> i'm trying. >> i'm trying. >> i'm proud of you. are you going to try and impugn me? trying. i'm proud of it. so that doesn't mean anything to me. >> that's water off a duck's back, one at a time because we can't hear otherwise. >> don't. don't talk over me, rupert. right. you were a privately schooled, educated individual who ended up as a banker in london, who is now trying to convince working class people like the families that i come from, the communities that i come from, that instead of looking at people like you who have crashed our economy over many, many, many decades, that instead they should look at people and they should punch down how have i crashed the economy? >> i haven't. >> i haven't. >> rupert let rupert answer that, please. >> here people who are coming here with very little , who we here with very little, who we are housed in temporary accommodation because the home office has got a huge backlog, who are being attacked by fascists. >> what a load of absolute

piffle and drivel like yours. >> rupert. respond please. >> rupert. respond please. >> absolute drivel. absolute nonsense. dribble, dribble dribble. and what you need to do. how have i crashed the economy? i've fostered businesses. i've employed people. i've got businesses that have been going 100 years. you speak to the banker, you're banken >> you say that you're talking the usual. >> james, let him finish .james, >> james, let him finish. james, you've just gone on, so you need to let him finish. >> i have to put up with james. >> i have to put up with james. >> you need to let him finish. if you go off on a tirade with accusations, how did he crash the economy? >> how have i crashed the economy ? economy? >> right. listen, the point is what? i'll answer the question if you. >> if you would. >> if you would. >> we've got a man here who is pretending to speak for the working class of britain, who knows less about the working class than anybody. he knows less than you or i, ben. he's not remotely working class. he's as working class as nigel farage. and you do not represent so. 50. >> so. >> so what? go and speak to my constituents in great yarmouth. don't speak to them. >> class communities from which i come. rupert, turn down your

working class drivel. >> single class drivel. that's what it is. you can't do anything absolute nonsense. you're the elite drivel, james. >> all right, we're going to. we're going to call time on this, gents. james, i would just say, you know, you're saying that rupert and reform are out of touch with the working class. they've won swathes of votes from the working class . and from the working class. and polling suggests that the red wall, after voting labour is going back to reform. >> so are you a spokesman for a reform party? no, i'm just telling. >> i'm just telling you what? what happened in the election. i'm telling you, it's a moderate. sorry. >> i thought you were here to moderate. you're not moderate. >> i'm just. i'm just. james. i'm just giving you some facts about the election and polling. that was it. >> you have some facts the other way. give some facts about the reform party. give some facts about the fact that we've seen nigel farage use his political platform to divide people and cause violence against people who are coming here. okay. >> he is he's an absolute hatred and division throughout the country . james matthewson thank country. james matthewson thank you, rupert lowe. thank you for

jim mcmahon james. >> you're a sad man. okay. >> you're a sad man. okay. >> we'll leave it there. thank you very much to you both. okay. that was spicy. who do you agree with is the home secretary? yvette cooper writes that the tories, with their mates in reform are just becoming right wing wreckers . and your verdict wing wreckers. and your verdict is now in. 96% of you agree that. no, yvette cooper is not right, while 4% of you say that she is correct. let us know your thoughts on that debate. by the way, gbnews.com/yoursay did you agree with james? do people like rupert lowe, the reform mp for great yarmouth ? are they able to great yarmouth? are they able to get in touch with the working class despite their background? likewise, nigel as well. let us know gb news. com forward slash the seine coming up next. first we had starmer's outdoor smoking ban . then there was a proposed ban. then there was a proposed sugar and salt tax. and now can you believe it. they've been forced to deny rumours that the government is considering restricting pub opening hours. so is labour unfairly punishing the small businesses that form the small businesses that form the backbone of the british economy? i'll be joined by the owner the sandon pub in

liverpool,

patrick christys tonight with me ben leo only on gb news now away from keir starmer's speech today, a plan to change pub opening hours in order to tackle harmful drinking has caused a massive split in the labour party. yet another one, of course, and that's just one day after they were proposed at the party's conference. speaking to gb news this morning, the chancellor of the duchy of lancaster, pat mcfadden, poured cold water over the plans .

cold water over the plans. >> i was asked about this in a couple of earlier interviews this morning. i said i might be joining those five trade unions that you mentioned and put down a resolution about it. i don't think the story is true. i'm not quite sure where it's come from, but we have no plans to change the pub opening hours. >> all right. well, he says no, but that comes after the minister responsible for public health, andrew gwynne , suggested health, andrew gwynne, suggested that, quote, tightening up on some of the hours of operation at pubs and bars should be considered as part of efforts to tackle alcohol abuse . well, i'm tackle alcohol abuse. well, i'm joined now by the owner of the sandon pub in liverpool, kate stewart. kate, good evening to you. first of all, you're of course, in liverpool where the labour party conference is taking place. have you had any labour mps that you've had to bar today or over recent days after this idea? >> i wouldn't even let them in, ben.and >> i wouldn't even let them in, ben. and that's the god's honest truth, the way it's going. i mean, obviously today has been another massive blow for us in the pub sector. and let's break it down a little bit. ben so what the proposal. let's say we close the pub at 10 pm. in the

night and nobody wants to go home. they're going to go to off line centres, they're going to go to supermarkets, get lots of alcohol, go back to houses and dnnk alcohol, go back to houses and drink without a pub landlord there to say we're not serving you anymore because you've had enough for the weights and measures are in place. so we're in a pub, you're getting 25 or 50ml you can pour to your heart's content and that's where the problems are going to stem. you know , gwyn said about you know, gwyn said about anti—social behaviour there's going to generate so much more anti—social behaviour by drinking in houses, in a pub you have security, you have staff, extensive cctv, in a house you've got neighbours sitting next door, you know, massive amounts of noise . so that amounts of noise. so that eradicates that. you know, he's saying about detrimental effects to the nhs. if the nhs can survive the 70s, 80s and 90s when people wasn't educated on drink, they can survive this . drink, they can survive this. you know, sara is so vocal as well about, you know , we all well about, you know, we all have to shoulder the burden, you know , we're all in it together. know, we're all in it together. but you're destroying an industry that brought in £54 billion last year. what are we

going to do once that goes? >> yeah. and of course, as we mentioned, it comes off the back of the smoking ban in gardens. you've had a rough time through covid as well. do you ever get the feeling that pubs are just being used as a scapegoat for the real public health crisis? which of course, we all know is obesity? >> 100,000,000%? you know, gwyn is never going to stand up and say to these multi—billion pound fast food joints , you can't sell fast food joints, you can't sell that many burgers, take a few burgers off that you've got to shut early. that is never going to happen. always. it's hospitality sector who is destroyed by all of these plans because that's what they are. they're just a big, massive joke. pubs are vital. we've seen how much people miss pubs in covid coming together, socialising. people work all week and want a little bit of downtime. we are not a nanny state, we are grown up individuals with our own choices to make. how dare they dictate to make. how dare they dictate to us what we can and cannot do? and i am sick of it. well, kate, labour insists this isn't happening, but they used to say

that about lots of other things which have come to fruition. >> if this did happen , what >> if this did happen, what would it mean for you and your pub? would you be forced to close? >> look, pubs are hanging on by a thread already. you know the closing by the day all over the country, by doing this, this will probably be the end of the pubs. i mean it will only be very, very few and select pubs that will survive this £54 billion gone up, gone, gone from the economy , hundreds of the economy, hundreds of thousands of people left unemployed . leave pubs alone, do unemployed. leave pubs alone, do your own job. you know you're not doing a very good job of that. we know how to run pubs. we know how to be responsible. leave us to it and go away. >> okay. and kate , aside from >> okay. and kate, aside from labour nipping at your heels, what's the biggest challenge now for pubs in the uk ? for pubs in the uk? >> you know, we've got the inflation of prices. you know the breweries are putting it up, the breweries are putting it up, the vat are putting it up. our costs of electricity is going up. you know , our mortgage, the up. you know, our mortgage, the mortgage rates gone up. everything is against us. you know, the minimum wage keeps

rising. we get no tax breaks off anyone. so we have to pass that on to our customers. and then the customers can't afford it anymore. you know , there has to anymore. you know, there has to be a point where you say we can't charge any more. and our profit margins shrink and shrink and shrink to the point where it goes, i can't do it anymore. >> that's the thing. even if they did introduce this ban, surely people would just go straight to down tesco or wherever, you know, other supermarkets are available and just buy loads of tinnies and take home. it's not going to stop people drinking is it? >> no, not a chance. ben and the thing is as well, they are never going to say to supermarkets, you can't sell that many. you see people coming out to supermarket with case loads of alcohol cases and cases and cases. they don't put any jurisdiction on that and say you're only allowed to buy one case, but you're only allowed. >> sorry to interject, sorry, i would say the tories did nothing to help pubs either though, did they? let's be. >> yeah, but he didn't do anything to help us. but also he wasn't so intent in the first few weeks of being in of destroying us as well. so we already have had we're changing the pub glasses. we want to make pint smaller. then you've had no

smoking in beer gardens and now you've got you've got to shut early. they've only been in a few weeks. what are they going to do in a few months? >> yeah. and there's also talk of labour bumping up alcohol duty in the october budget. but we'll see. kate stewart we're gonna have to leave it there. save me a crisp, cold one next time i'm up. i'm up in the north east. >> always. >> always. >> thank you. kate. good evening to you, yeah. okay. yeah. i feel bad for the pubs , especially bad for the pubs, especially after covid. i mean, what they had to go through. do you remember all the, the what is it, sausage rolls or pork pies and all that kind of nonsense dunng and all that kind of nonsense during covid? it's been non—stop since then. anyway lots more to come in the next hour, including. >> and it is clear now that if we change how we treat women in prison, we cut crime. >> yes, that's right, the justice justice secretary, shabana mahmood, today unveiled plans to slash the number of women going to jail and ultimately close women's prisons altogether. can you believe it? but do female criminals really deserve an easier ride? what equality? i'll be joined by the former prison

governor,

this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo. only on gb news. and one of you have made me laugh on laugh on gbnews.com/yoursay. you said richard. good evening ben. liverpool is not in the north—east but the north—west. stick to essex young man. indeed you are absolutely right. slip of the tongue. which is why i have some sympathy for keir starmer today and the sausages gaffe. anyway, we move on. speaking at the labour party conference in liverpool earlier today, also taking to the stage was the justice secretary , was the justice secretary, shabana mahmood, and she made this eye catching policy announcement and it is clear now that if we change how we treat women in prison, we cut crime, we keep families together and we end the harm that passes from one generation to the next. >> and for that reason, i am today announcing that this government will launch a new body, the women's justice board .

body, the women's justice board. its goal will be clear to reduce the number of women going into prison with the ultimate ambition of having fewer women's prisons. >> okay, i'm joined now by former prison governor rhona hotchkiss on this. good evening. rhona.thank hotchkiss on this. good evening. rhona. thank you forjoining me. rhona. thank you for joining me. look, should female prisoners get an easier ride? that doesn't seem to me well on a case by case comparable offence basis, no , but that's not what we're no, but that's not what we're talking about. >> we're talking about the fact that the majority of women who go to prison are there for non—violent offences. now, i should say, at the outset that we send far too many men to prison as well. so i would like to see what miss mahmood is proposing. also looked at for the men's estate to keep more men out of prison. but the truth

is, we could cut the number of women in prison, probably by about two thirds, if we invested in community alternatives. >> so are you saying then that prisons should only be for violent offenders, both male and female ? female? >> i think it should be for violent offenders or extremely persistent offenders in an attempt to rehabilitate them in some way. but to send people to prison for non—violent offences seems to me to be an awful. >> oh, rhona . then i spent some >> oh, rhona. then i spent some time in san francisco last year in the in the infamous tenderloin district. you know, and their policies over there where you let anything go, you can shoplift up to $900 in california and you'll get away with it. you won't go to prison. and do you know what has happened over there? it's turned into a crime ridden hellhole. could you imagine what the uk would turn into if we said to people, okay, guys, you can commit crime as long as it's non—violent, you won't be going to prison. >> so the usa has the highest rates of imprisonment in the western world, and they also

have the highest homicide rate in the western world. and the highest crime rates overall. so their policies to date haven't worked. bang in a lot of people into prison does not reduce crime. finding effective alternatives in the communities they come from do so. what i would do with shoplifters, for example, is make them work for nothing in the shops, make them clean the staff toilets, make them clean up all the rubbish in front of the shops. let's make punishment fit the crime. but rona again i look to the us and actually it's happening in the uk, a uk as well now as well. >> i've seen it myself. you go into say their version of boots or is it walgreens or something? everything is behind a padlock. it's all locked up if you want to buy toothpaste or mouthwash, you have to call an assistant because everybody is on the rob again . could you imagine what it again. could you imagine what it would turn out like here? are you honestly saying that the uk would be better if we didn't send non—violent criminals to prison? >> yes, i do now. the obviously obviously what we cannot we cannot just stop sending people to prison without proper alternatives because we have to

stop re—offending if we do nothing to stop the offending and stop re—offending. of course, the country would turn into shambles in six months flat, but that's not what i'm saying . i don't think that's saying. i don't think that's what miss mahmood is saying ehhen what miss mahmood is saying either, because she talked about investing in community alternatives . she talked about. alternatives. she talked about. and i'm not a labour voter, by the way . she talked about having the way. she talked about having more residential rehabilitation facilities for drug and alcohol addiction. and it's these kind of solutions. we need because speaking as a former prison governor of men and women's prisons, we cannot do anything about these things in prison because we're not dealing with the causes of crime in the communities that these people come from. >> well, i guess prison is meant to be a deterrent, but when they're letting them out early and some would argue that they're akin to sort of butlins houday they're akin to sort of butlins holiday camps these days with tvs and mobile phones, maybe you can shed some light on that. but, i just rona, people are saying just like they push positive discrimination to stamp out things like racism and, you know, inequality. they bang on

about gender equality, yet come up with ideas like this. do you see the discrepancy ? see the discrepancy? >> yes, i do, if you're talking about like for like crimes. but most of the time we're not as you know, men commit most of the violence in society and women are the biggest victims . so more are the biggest victims. so more than half of women in prison have suffered abuse and sexual abuse. violent abuse at the hands of men. and that is part of their offending . if you're of their offending. if you're talking about women who've committed serious, violent offences, then i would keep them in prison as i would keep men who've committed serious violent offences in prison as well . offences in prison as well. >> okay, just a quick one. when did you leave the industry, your prison ? prison? >> five years ago. >> five years ago. >> okay. and do you think things have changed much since then? >> no, not. not really . have changed much since then? >> no, not. not really. no. because we're not we're not really taking this seriously. that's why i'm delighted to hear this. but it's going to be a five year process i think for, for labour. so this new justice group they've announced will be very, very important. >> okay. i will politely agree

to disagree with you on your thoughts on criminality, but thank you for joining thoughts on criminality, but thank you forjoining me, rhona thank you for joining me, rhona hotchkiss, you're a former prison governor. okay. yeah interesting idea, yeah. not sure if i agree. still, to come, our labour completely out of touch with the mood of the nation on immigration. i'll tackle that next with my panel. and also a big news from the showbiz world, phil schofield. phillip schofield from this morning. remember him? controversy last year or the year before with qg8 and whatever else he is rumoured to be making a big comeback. more of that in the next hour . more of that in the next hour. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> good evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office on gb news. it's going to turn dry for most overnight tonight. it's been a much drier day across england compared to monday and the weekend, but there is more rain to come across the south tomorrow as this weather system starts to approach. it was this

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gb news. >> it's 10 pm. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo. so keir starmer's just paid off the mortgage on his £2 million house, all while pensioners freeze this winter. so what parts of this admission makes him working class? >> but seriously, the flute gave me so many opportunities. my first ever trip abroad was to malta with the croydon youth philharmonic orchestra . philharmonic orchestra. >> yes indeed, very working class. meanwhile, the pm reckons britain's concern over migration is simply down to skin colour to and those who say that the only way to love your country is to hate your neighbour because they look different. >> i say not only do we reject you , we know that you will never you, we know that you will never win. >> and the home secretary's own big speech was 1800 words long, and she said the word immigration just four times. >> so the tories, with their

mates in reform, are just becoming right wing wreckers. it was arson. >> it was racism. it was thuggery . thuggery. >> and is the true cost of the monarchy actually a £500 million burden to the taxpayer? anti—monarchists think so . and anti—monarchists think so. and want the royals out of their palaces pronto. the first of tomorrow's newspaper front pages are on the way, and my panel are ready to go. tonight i'm joined by columnist and broadcaster esther krakue, director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity. stephen wolfe and political commentator jonathan lis. and did this gaffe sum up starmer's day? >> i call again for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. the return of the sausages, the hostages . the sausages, the hostages. >> labour couldn't give a fig about immigration . next.

about immigration. next. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines. just after 10:00, sir keir starmer has defended the cut to the winter fuel payment in his first labour conference speech as prime minister. he promised that every pensioner will be better off with labour thanks to the triple lock. he outlined a vision for national renewal, including reforming planning, ending the doctors strike and launching great british energy, which he confirmed would be based in aberdeen. the labour leader also pledged to house all veterans in need, saying homes will be there for heroes. he also said young care leavers and victims of domestic abuse will be given a guaranteed roof over their head. sir keir starmer went on to address the riots across the uk sparked by the stabbings in southport. >> i will never let a minority of violent , racist thugs of violent, racist thugs terrorise our community. the

debate is not about the worth of migrants. that is toxic and we must move beyond it. it's about control of migration. it's always been about control. >> but the speech didn't go completely to plan, with the prime minister making an embarrassing gaffe when referring to the return of hostages in gaza. he said sausages instead . nora forster. sausages instead. nora forster. >> i call again for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. the return of the sausages. >> and it hasn't gone unnoticed. with conservative leadership hopeful tom tugendhat saying sir keir starmer simply can't deliver. >> look, that was a banger of a speech, but he can't even cook up a decent line. i mean, the problem is he's really made a complete hash of it, hasn't he? and none of it's worked out at all. all he's done is he's demonstrated the arrogance of somebody who simply can't deliver. frankly, he's fried the whole thing in bananas and made a complete mess of it. >> meanwhile, the justice secretary, shabana mahmood, has set out plans to slash the number of women going to jail

and ultimately close women's prisons as the country battles an overcrowding crisis. >> and it is clear now that if we change how we treat women in prison, we cut crime. we keep families together, and we end the harm that passes from one generation to the next. and for that reason, i am today announcing that this government will launch a new body, the women's justice board. >> and in other news, the defence secretary , john healey, defence secretary, john healey, has chaired an emergency cobra meeting to discuss the escalating crisis in the middle east. while the prime minister has called for restraint and de—escalation. it comes as the israeli military says it has killed hezbollah commander ibrahim mohammed kwasi in another day of lebanon strikes targeting the terrorist militant group. at least 560 people, including women and children, have been killed so far in lebanon's deadliest 24 hours in decades. lebanon's deadliest 24 hours in decades . those are the latest gb

decades. those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to ben for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news. >> .com forward slash alerts . >> .com forward slash alerts. >> .com forward slash alerts. >> good evening keir starmer said the words small boats and engush said the words small boats and english channel. not once in his big labour party conference speech today, and he muttered the word illegal migration on just one occasion, in a speech that lasted more than an hour. instead, he made the tone deaf assumption that britain's objection to immigration is simply about skin colour. >> and to those who say that the only way to love your country is to hate your neighbour because they look different, i say not only do we reject you, we know that you will never win because the british values we stand for,

not just the rule of law , but a not just the rule of law, but a love for this country and our neighbours. the respect for difference under the same flag thatis difference under the same flag that is stronger than bricks and you know it. it's what you cannot stand about our country , cannot stand about our country, our reasonable, tolerant country. but it's absolutely who we are . we are. >> so make no mistake, the next general election will be fought on one single issue immigration and leaving the echr and labour better understand this sharpish if they want to keep hold of power, because right now the pm is completely out of touch with britain. most sane minded people do not care about skin colour. 25,000 people have crossed the channel since in small boats this year, and i couldn't care less if there were 25,000 white americans doing it. i do not care. britain is full. that's the truth. it's bursting at the seams and collapsing under the weight of its exploding population. the concern isn't about skin colour. it's about our schools and hospitals and

housing. being overwhelmed with too many people and the grave national security risk . national security risk. undocumented illegal migrants pose us . nobody, barring a few pose us. nobody, barring a few idiots, care about skin colour and brushing off concerns about legal and illegal migration by suggesting that is, quite frankly , all it's about is lazy frankly, all it's about is lazy at best. and worst, stupid. yvette cooper didn't do much better in her speech earlier in the day, either. her delivery was 1800 words long, and guess how many times she mentioned the word immigration? four times. guess how many times she uttered the word migration six times. so that's ten. our home secretary responsible for protecting our borders, skirting the one issue that defines mostly every other part of british life, from housing and health to education and community. nothing on policy, nothing on how labour's useless border security command would stop the boats , and would stop the boats, and nothing on how labour are going to reduce legal net migration. she did have time for this

though, so don't anyone tell me that was protest. >> don't anyone tell me that was about immigration or policing or poverty. plenty of people have strong views on immigration, on crime, on the nhs and more. but they do not pick up bricks and throw them at the police. they do not set light to buildings with people inside. >> it was arson. it was racism, it was thuggery. it was crime. >> the home secretary is once again doubling down and whitewashing concerns over migration, with a few mindless idiots who chose to commit crime. it wasn't just southport that sparked protests and then the riots. it was the clear two tier policing of the harehills riots in leeds and earlier the manchester airport. alleged assault on police officers for which, by the way, no one has been charged for any crime with yet and those incidents left the nafion yet and those incidents left the nation worried and angry. and yvette cooper , the home yvette cooper, the home secretary, doesn't get it. keir

starmer doesn't get it and labour doesn't get the country. their massive majority is built on flimsy foundations. their loveless election landslide clocked a lower vote share than jeremy corbyn and the electorate, particularly the red wall, will punish them for it. let's get the thoughts of my panel now. columnist and broadcaster esther krakue, director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity steven woolfe, and political commentator jonathan lis. jonathan, i'll start with you again, if you don't mind, because you're pulling funny faces. what's your your thoughts about that? they don't get migration, do they? labour. they frankly don't care about it ehhen >> ben, i know that gb news isn't necessarily balanced, but that was that was probably the most unbalanced introduction i've ever heard. in what way? because it was it was this. it was just this complete diatribe against labour. so rooted in one perspective. well, it was i know that i'm here to provide a balance, but i kind of think that there is. you could have approached that speech in a different way. >> look, let's go through it.

point by point. >> what it's not about. >> what it's not about. >> it's not about things that are not true. you didn't say anything that was factually incorrect. from what i recall you saying just now. but i think that the way that you frame it is not necessarily helpful to conducive to a constructive debate. clearly, there are a lot of people in this country who are racist. there are a lot of racists in this country. i don't think it's politically look, i'm not saying it's i'm not saying evidence. >> there's a lot of people who evidence. >> there's a lot of people who are racist, steve. are racist, steve. >> i mean, come on, you know, >> i mean, come on, you know, look, there are there are people look, there are there are people there are. >> it's a small number of there are. >> it's a small number of people. people. >> but i'm glad you think that. >> but i'm glad you think that. ihappen >> but i'm glad you think that. i happen to think there are ihappen >> but i'm glad you think that. i happen to think there are actually more people than is. actually more people than is. and, you know, i'm often accused and, you know, i'm often accused of being politically correct and of being politically correct and snowflakey woke or whatever. but snowflakey woke or whatever. but when i dared to say something when i dared to say something that i think is the truth, that i think is the truth, people shout me down and say, people shout me down and say, no, that's not true. that's not no, that's not true. that's not true. i'm sorry. i think it is true. i'm sorry. i think it is true. i'm sorry. i think it is true. now, i'm not saying that. true. i'm sorry. i think it is true. now, i'm not saying that. no, i'm not saying. i'm not no, i'm not saying. i'm not saying that everyone who thinks saying that everyone who thinks who is concerned about who is concerned about immigration is racist. i'm not immigration is racist. i'm not saying that, but i also think saying that, but i also think it's completely legitimate for it's completely legitimate for the prime minister to point out the prime minister to point out that there are a lot of people that there are a lot of people who don't like their neighbours who don't like their neighbours

because of the way they because of the way they look, or the way they dress, or the different culture they might have. that's a legitimate thing to point out, but the point is they're doing that and then not addressing the legitimate concerns about migration. >> but but they are whitewashing . >> but but they are whitewashing. >> but but they are whitewashing. >> starmer literally said in his speech that he wants to bring down net migration. obviously, net migration is an interesting term because it means that you're having to regulate the people who leave the country, as well as the people who come in. but he does want to do that now. i actually am much less concerned about immigration than

concerned aboutimmigration than... . them. if you feel like your like them. if you feel like your neighbour hasn't bought into british values, you're thinking, what is actually going on here? who is in control? and the reality is the actual implications of this are more severe than people think. they're not going to go further to the left right. if labour doesn't get this right, and the british public at the end of five years still thinks they are either deliberately gaslighting or deliberately ignoring people, they're just going to move further . right? they're just going to move further. right? and that they're just going to move further . right? and that space further. right? and that space is being occupied by reform their conference, because there arbeing ’ their conference, because there arbeing occupied by 7 7 reform came second in over 100 is being occupied by reform reform came second in over 100 seats, almost 100 seats at the seats, almost 100 seats at the last election. the real threat last election. the real threat on the tories, the tories are on the tories, the tories are finished. the tories are toast. finished. the tories are toast. but by saying what did yvette but by saying what did yvette cooper say? that the right wing cooper say? that the right wing wreckers, right wing wreckers, wreckers, right wing wreckers, which is fine. that's i mean which is fine. that's i mean that's, that's on brand for the that's, that's on brand for the labour party. but i think labour party. but i think actually on a practical level, actually on a practical level, she's really ignoring a huge gap she's really ignoring a huge gap in the market that has been in the market that has been created by this. >> stephen. jonathan says that created by this. >> stephen. jonathan says that starmer cares about migration. starmer cares about migration. right. but he didn't mention the right. but he didn't mention the word small boats or english word small boats or english channel once in his speech. channel once in his speech. >> no he didn't. and in >> no he didn't. and in reflecting on what he yvette reflecting on what he yvette cooper said as well, she didn't cooper said as well, she didn't really either, because it's really either, because it's really either, because it's really not the sort of thing really either, because it's really not the sort of thing that they're going to mention at that they're going to mention at their conference, because there their conference, because there

are lots are lots of people in the labour party who are like jonathan, not concerned that much about large scale migration in this country. and yet they are concerned about housing. they are concerned about the cost of water and our pubuc about the cost of water and our public services. they are concerned. >> how do you how do you disconnect the two? how do you disconnect? this is my point. >> i mean, there is jonathan. >> i mean, there is jonathan. >> well, i was going to say there's a cognisant dissonance that's within the labour party and the socialists as a whole who cannot understand that

and the socialists as a whole who car not understand that and the socialists as a whole who car not doingstand that and the socialists as a whole who carnot doing that. that and the socialists as a whole who carnot doing that. so it and the socialists as a whole who carnot doing that. so we but it's not doing that. so we focus the government, the conservative government focused on the irregular or illegal migration, if you want to call it that , because that was, that it that, because that was, that was it's always been called jonathan. >> no, it's you're just doing what starmer does and labour are doing now in some bizarre twist where they're saying irregular migration, irregular is an illegal irregular is a neutral, is a is a neutral term. >> illegal migration is a loaded term. >> it's a term that's been term. >> it's a term that's been introduced by the eu. but introduced by the eu. but actually when you're doing actually when you're doing statistics, there is very clear statistics, there is very clear delineated lines between legal and illegal migration. delineated lines between legal and illegal migration. >> whatever . >> whatever . >> whatever. >> whatever. >> whatever. >> whatever. >> and that's where we come in. >> and that's where we come in. the point that we've got to look the point that we've got to look at is, yes, you're right that at is, yes, you're right that the conservative party made a the conservative party made a massive mistake with some of its massive mistake with some of its ways, that it opened up legal ways, that it opened up legal migration, particularly when you were allowed families of migration, particularly when you were allowed families of students to come across, migrants a loaded students to come across, particularly when you allowed particularly when you allowed families of people who got families of people who got visas. they are massive problems visas. they are massive problems to . but the overall picture is to . but the overall picture is to. but the overall picture is that we've led to huge to. but the overall picture is that we've led to huge population growth, 10 million population growth, 10 million people in over 20 years people in over 20 years connected to it. two thirds of connected to it. two thirds of all births in this country are all births in this country are caused by people who have come caused by people who have come here in the last few years. were here in the last few years. were

migrants . all of those have an migrants. all of those have an impact on the health service. >> so two thirds, you're saying two thirds of two thirds of all births of people born are born to people who weren't born here? is that you're saying or being born? >> no, no, you didn't say that. you didn't say to people native. native. >> so in the last few years in the last few years, recent immigrants or people who might have been people who might have been born elsewhere, and that doesn't really matter. >> it's the statistics. >> it's the statistics. >> it's the statistics. >> it does matter otherwise. >> it does matter otherwise. >> the statistics for the last three years, population growth has been driven 95%. me, my, my parents weren't born here. does thatis parents weren't born here. does that is that a problem? >> you're missing my grandmother. but we're talking about today's figures, not about those. when we didn't have the mass levels of population, when we were recovering after the second world war, for example, what you have is the huge population growth being pushed because of migration. and then you look at housing, then you look at the cost of everything that's impacting our society . that's impacting our society. you cannot take it away. and why starmer is wrong is because he says, i'm interested in it. i'm concerned about it. but the

policies they're currently talking about are not really practical enough to deal with it. and the reason why it comes back to the vast majority of the labour party members are not as concerned about immigration because for some reason it doesn't impact them. >> jonathan, that's not true, doesn't impact them. they might just happen to agree with it. >> but let me let me just pick you up on a point. you said that you up on a point. you said that you mentioned that migration was good for the economy. they're filling holes in the economy. well, gdp per capita has been contracting for many, many years now, all while population has been exploding. so how do you square that circle? >> well, look, britain has a huge productivity problem and we have we have massive labour shortages. what i thought migrants we've had uncontrolled mass migration on this scale. >> has it been unconscious? >> has it been unconscious? >> it's not unconscious . it's >> it's not unconscious. it's not on it's not uncontrolled. the government has always had control. it's not it's literally not uncontrolled. if you've ever been to an airport in this country, you'll know there is someone literally, even if you're british, who is checking that you have the right to come into this country. it's not it's not an open border. it never has been. and if we hadn't had all

those people coming to in work in our nhs or to work in the care sector, or to go to our universities, because our universities, because our universities are on the brink of failure, then it would have been even worse. i guarantee. >> you know, some of them should, perhaps because we've been overreliant on, on, on bringing people in from different countries to, to kind of sustain this kind of growth. that was there. but when you look at the numbers coming in, you talk about 1.6 million people who've claimed asylum and been granted the right to remain in this country, who are unemployed, who are not

in this country, who are unemployed, who aregenderless and these you know, genderless widgets that are not human beings that apparently don't come, don't come with values and a culture that may or may not be compatible with britain is this idea that they're just going to do these jobs like they're a bunch of robots. but the argument is never actually instead of importing in thousands of people to work in the care sector for instance, for £20,000 a year, why don't we actually pay carers more ? why actually pay carers more? why don't we? >> why can't we have british workers? >> no, because the thing is, you can't have both. if the argument is, oh, we need more people to fill these gaps, then how then do you do you simultaneously say, let's pay british people more? you can't have both. you have to have more people in. >> they become older people. >> they become older people. >> they become older people. >> the point that i would add to thatis >> the point that i would add to that is that i'm not. i never approached migration from an economic perspective, only i think it's a huge social and cultural good. and i will defend that point. >> okay. all right. thank you all. time now for the great british giveaway and your chance to win the equivalent of having an extra three grand a month in your bank account for the next yeah your bank account for the next year. that's a whopping £36,000 in tax free cash. here's all the details you need to make it yours. >> this is your chance to win a £36,000 secret salary in the

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stephen. put it into my sipp pension. >> get some extra tax money, then invest it. >> oh, it's all a bit boring so far. jonathan, tell me you're going to monte carlo and putting it on red and getting some really nice holidays. >> yes. good man. yes. no, i'm not. i'm not fiscally responsible. okay. >> not financial advice, by the way. not financial advice anyway. coming up next, the royal family cost the taxpayer £510 million every year. that's to according the anti—monarchy pressure group republic. so are taxpayers getting bang for their buck when it comes to the royals? lifelong republican peter tatchell goes head to head with royal journalist sarah robertson in just a tick

this is patrick christys tonight this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo, only on gb with me, ben leo, only on gb news now. the anti—monarchist news now. the anti—monarchist group republic have today group republic have today released a report claiming that released a report claiming that the royal family cost the the royal family cost the taxpayer £510 million a year. taxpayer £510 million a year. that figure includes income from that figure includes income from the duchies of lancaster and the duchies of lancaster and cornwall, as well as estimating cornwall, as well as estimating the cost of security for members the cost of security for members of the royal family and the of the royal family and the salaries for government staff salaries for government staff seconded to the palace. the seconded to the palace. the report also includes an estimate report also includes an estimate that royal engagements around that royal engagements around the country cost local councils £31.9 million a year. republic the country cost local councils £31.9 million a year. republic according for the royal family according for the royal family budget, to be capped at a measly budget, to be capped at a measly £5 million to £10 million a £5 million to £10 million a yean £5 million to £10 million a yean £5 million to £10 million a year, with the king granted a year, with the king granted a salary of just over £185,000. so salary of just over £185,000. so

are the royals worth the money? joining me now to debate this is royal journalist sarah—louise robertson and human rights campaigner and activist peter tatchell. good evening to you both. peter, first of all, i'm not quite sure about the accuracy of this research because of course they get a the royals get a massive slice of the sovereign grant from the crown estate, which in recent years has been very, very lucrative, most of it by the way, goes to the treasury. so, i mean, what's your thoughts on this research? >> well, just recently the royals have had a £45 million hike in their taxpayer income. yeah. and why was taxpayers paying yeah. and why was taxpayers paying an extra, extra £45 million a year starting next year for the royal family? >> peter, why was that? >> peter, why was that? >> well, that is said to be for various tasks and things that need to be done, but it shouldn't go to the royal family. it should go to the pubuc family. it should go to the public works department. the pubuc public works department. the public works department. the public works department. the public works department should fund it , not the royals. and

fund it, not the royals. and you're quite right. a huge amount of money, about £99 million, is taken by the royals from the duchy of lancaster and cornwall. now, these are very rich people. the royal family have a personal, private wealth of over £2 billion.

have a personal, private wealth of oto £2 billion. have a personal, private wealth of oto the billion. have a personal, private wealth of oto the very»n. have a personal, private wealth of oto the very nature of it. due to the very nature of it. >> can i can i interrupt you, sarah louise? sorry so sorry to be rude. i'm just. before we move on to another point, i'm just going to tell peter why they got a boost. it's because they got a boost. it's because the crown estate sold off loads of seabed land to wind farm estates. so they got a massive. i mean, i think it was £1.3 billion profit, which is far exceeds anything of recent years as a result. as a result, they cut the percentage of the sovereign grant to 12%. so they're taking less of a cut. but it's because they earned more money. >> but why should the royals own the. why should the royals own the. why should the royals own the seabed? the seabed around the seabed? the seabed around the british isles should belong to the british people. it should not belong to the royal family. >> look, peter, please. the cost the taxpayers on average, £0.77 per person, per household a yeah per person, per household a year. that is minuscule in terms of what they give back. the revenue that is generated into this country through the royal family can't even be put into words. it is so huge. that's why so many tourists come to this

country to look at the palaces. they obviously we have to pay to maintain those in order to bring the tourists in. but the revenue that they generate and they they are what keeps britain as a scandals there? and to also con what to scandals there? and to also conwhat keeps britain as a premier country on the world are what keeps britain as a premier country on the world stage. even alan johnson, stage. even alan johnson, ex—labour mp, alan johnson , just ex—labour mp, alan johnson , just ex—labour mp, alan johnson, just to quote him here, said, you ex—labour mp, alan johnson, just to quote him here, said, you know, no , no serious politician know, no , no serious politician know, no, no serious politician will ever think about having a know, no, no serious politician will ever think about having a republic because of the turmoil. republic because of the turmoil. he put it in his words, brexit he put it in his words, brexit was bad enough, but this most was bad enough, but this most people , even republicans, would people , even republicans, would people, even republicans, would say, just let it be. we haven't people, even republicans, would say, just let it be. we haven't got time right now when the got time right now when the world and the country is in such world and the country is in such an unstable place to be talking an unstable place to be talking about these things. as i say, about these things. as i say, the only cost is £0.77 per the only cost is £0.77 per person. they are value for person. they are value for money. they are part of british money. they are part of british history. they've been ruling for history. they've been ruling for over a thousand years. why would over a thousand years. why would you want to change that now? and you want to change that now? and what on earth would you replace what on earth would you replace them with when we've just seen them with when we've just seen them with when we've just seen them with when we've just seen the current labour government, what's going on there? the the current labour government, what's going on there? the scandals there? and to also scandals there? and to also

conflate to conflate to conflate the royal family with the government's decision to cut fuel allowance for pensioners. why are we blaming the for king something that keir starmer's chancellor, rachel reeves, is bringing in? that's nothing to do with the king. that's that's the labour's decision to do that, to be cruel to pensioners. >> the reason why the reason, the reason why it's relevant is because, as i said, the royals have a personal private fortune of over £2 billion. >> yet we are allowing them. let me speak. please let let me speak. let me speak, please. so why are we then allowing them to take £99 million out of the duchies of lancaster and cornwall on top of that? because that's gross. that's grossly unfair. >> because to the crown >> because to the crown >> because to the crown >> because the capital gains. king charles pays capital gains. it's what they generate back. it exceeds what they're taking out. they are they've invested and

>> why? just because they've got money that they've invested and money that they've invested and saved over the years and saved over the years and whatever else. why should they whatever else. why should they work for free? work for free? >> it's all stolen. it's all >> it's all stolen. it's all stolen. they shouldn't. they stolen. they shouldn't. they shouldn't stolen. they should shouldn't stolen. they should not. they should not. i'm not not. they should not. i'm not asking them to work for free. asking them to work for free. i'm saying they should not have i'm saying they should not have this extravagant lifestyle in a this extravagant lifestyle in a time of a cost of living crisis, time of a cost of living crisis, when the mass of people in this when the mass of people in this country are suffering, the country are suffering, the royals should pinch their belts, royals should pinch their belts, tighten their belts, and make do tighten their belts, and make do with a little bit less. that's with a little bit less. that's all i'm saying. >> okay, last word to you, sarah all i'm saying. >> okay, last word to you, sarah louise. >> they have tightened their louise. >> they have tightened their belts. king charles, as you belts. king charles, as you know, wants a slimmed down know, wants a slimmed down monarchy. and we've seen what's monarchy. and we've seen what's happened there when he's ended happened there when he's ended up with with cancer. and the up with with cancer. and the princess of wales is recently princess of wales is recently fought a battle with cancer. we fought a battle with cancer. we can't slim it down any further. can't slim it down any further. they are fantastic value for they are fantastic value for money. look how much work they money. look how much work they do.the money. look how much work they do.the money. look how much work they do. the king is still working. do. the king is still working. he's about to go on tour to he's about to go on tour to australia and samoa. i mean, is australia and samoa. i mean, is that a journey you want to take that a journey you want to take at that age? having to work each at that age? having to work each day to try and obviously keep day to try and obviously keep the interest in the commonwealth the interest in the commonwealth to and show that he's still head to and show that he's still head

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after her cancer ordeal, as she planned for her christmas carol >> all that and christmas'e in >> all that and christmas carol planned for her christmas carol concert at the metro. ten years concert at the metro. ten years to end zombie apocalypse. it's to end zombie apocalypse. it's the home secretary, yvette the home secretary, yvette cooper's plans to tackle knife cooper's plans to tackle knife crime. she wants to halve it crime. she wants to halve it within the decade. the daily within the decade. the daily mail marines ready for mass mail marines ready for mass evacuation of lebanon or of evacuation of lebanon or of brits in lebanon. 700 uk troops brits in lebanon. 700 uk troops rushed to the region to mount rushed to the region to mount potential. dunkirk style rescue potential. dunkirk style rescue of up to 10,000 british of up to 10,000 british nationals. 10,000. that sounds nationals. 10,000. that sounds like quite a lot. i wonder what like quite a lot. i wonder what they're all doing in lebanon and they're all doing in lebanon and they're all doing in lebanon and they're all doing in lebanon and the i, eu willing to back down the i, eu willing to back down on new migration demand for all on new migration demand for all under seconds and sir keir under seconds and sir keir starmer at top right hand side. starmer at top right hand side. their pylons and prisons are their pylons and prisons are essential for uk growth. starmer essential for uk growth. starmer tells nimbys i am a tells nimbys i am a self—confessed nimby and i'm self—confessed nimby and i'm proud of it. i don't want these proud of it. i don't want these horrible new build estates horrible new build estates blighting the lovely green blighting the lovely green spaces i have near my house, spaces i have near my house, thank you very much. right thank you very much. right should we talk about the. it's a should we talk about the. it's a trig point. if they made. trig point. if they made. >> no, i don't doubt you. but if >> no, i don't doubt you. but if they made new builds , like, you they made new builds , like, you they made new builds, like, you know, the gods we built with they made new builds, like, you know, the gods we built with houses, we need houses. then houses, we need houses. then they've got to be built they've got to be built

somewhere. somewhere. >> i do. i did tv comeback 16 >> i do. i did keep building. i don't want to see higher and higher. ugly utilitarian shoe boxes, no character festooned, soulless. like i do think they should be soulless. i think there's a conversation about, like, architecture . like, architecture. >> chief architect. everyone deserves good architecture. that was exactly . was exactly. >> i think that's going to get it if labour is building one. >> i want to talk about something much more important than the need to build housing. that's phillip schofield, because the xiv man is set to make his tv return on channel five's reality show castaway, where he'll be stranded on a madagascan tropical island for ten days. the show that was filmed in secret is expected to dive deep into his past two years of hell. since being axed from itv . and here's an image from itv. and here's an image that's been released of schofield on the island. i mean, there could have been of him on there could have been of him on the island or him in the aftermath of his itv scandal . aftermath of his itv scandal. who knows, guys, you don't care about phillip schofield ? about phillip schofield? >> so what kind of houses would you like to see around? >> you want to talk about? >> you want to talk about? >> i'm just seeing this man. he looks like he's just. >> i'm just seeing this man. he looks like he'sjust. he's just looks like he's just. he's just been sat in the waiting room at hell, and he's just been seen by

the by lucifer. i mean, he's just, you know, >> so, look, he's. i've been to madagascar. anyone been to madagascar? >> i'd love to go. >> i've seen the film. yeah, which is very enticing. >> footage includes him. footage includes schofield discussing his two years from hell. since admitting to an affair with a younger co—worker. a source said he wanted a chance to share his story unedited and honest. >> why is he describing it as hell? nobody >> i'd rather. i'd rather have my eyebrows plucked by a cat's teeth than watch phil schofield. >> some people pay a lot of money for that. steve >> i think that'd be more entertaining than watching film. >> are you not interested? fair enough. you're not interested in this morning and itv and celebrities? >> no, i'm not. i'm not interested in a fail. >> no, i'm not. i'm not interested in a fail . a fail interested in a fail. a fail failure like he did did something that he doesn't like. he's out of the picture. >> never really enjoyed the human psychology of it . the rise human psychology of it. the rise and the fall and the comeback. >> did he know people think this isn't rocky? >> this isn't rocky three you know this. this is kinsey schofield one i don't i wouldn't have called myself a fan of

phillip schofield while he was presenter. >> anyway, but i do think that it was it was quite unfair what happened to him because he didn't do anything illegal. there was no there was there was no one ever came forward with credible allegations that merited a police investigation, but he was treated like a. and that was and i thought that was really unfortunate. >> and so what did you think about what he did do and admitted to an inappropriate relationship with the younger? yeah, a lot of a lot of people have inappropriate relationships at work with consenting adults. >> and there may be professional consequences. but he was treated like a criminal. i think what i had an issue with, and this was before the whole story came out, was the fact that when he came out on tv and said, you know, he'd always known that he was gay and that he, you know, he'd ended his relationship with his wife. >> i actually felt sorry for his wife because i can't imagine being in a 20 like, almost 30 year relationship with someone who, on the day he said, i do knew that he was gay. that's not to say that i have a problem with him being gay. of course you live in a free country. be

happy with who you are. but i think there was a callousness with which he treated his wife, and a complete disregard for the fact that she's basically tied her life to someone who was never meant to be. >> it's also none of our business. it's got nothing to do with whether he has a tv career. >> that's not. that doesn't mean that me saying that, it's just that's me disapproving an immoral. it doesn't mean i think he should have had his career destroyed. that's just me saying, i think that's the moral stance i'm taking. if as a woman, i would be very, very, very upset. >> stephen, the argument is that it perhaps is viewers business and his his boss's business and itv's business because he's portraying or was portraying, you know, this squeaky clean image. and yet he was deceiving his family and his kids. >> well, that's exactly where i was going. if there's a deception that he's portraying to his family and then trying to do a different persona onto tv and then gaining financial wealth because of that, then i think that's really where i lose interest in people like him. i'm not interested in his comeback because i think he's had a good time. he earned enough money coming back in. effectively. he wants to get a career back. he wants to get a career back. he wants us all to love him. >> everyone's entitled. everyone's entitled to their

money. everyone's entitled to have a career. i agree, if people want to give him money, then he's entitled to it. >> i don't think the pr wrap for him unless, unless, unless the action is egregious and basically criminal. >> i really i'm very uncomfortable with people's livelihoods being completely destroyed. i agree with you there. i don't think inasmuch as i disapprove of what he did, i would never say that someone should completely

would never say that someone shoul(yes,npletely would never say that someone shoul(yes, please. okay? yes, please. >> yeah. and architecture? >> why not? okay. up, more of the

tick. patrick christys tonight with me. ben. leo only on gb news. more front pages have just dropped hot off the press. we'll start with the daily telegraph. the states will take back control. keir starmer uses brexit war cries to appeal to reform voters as he issues warning over free markets. that's off the back of his big conference speech earlier today. he's got a habit of nicking reform policy, hasn't he? daily mirror starmer's promise tough love pm says he'll fix economy and then build britain to last. he vows for a brighter future if he makes the hard choices now. are you listening? pensioners and the guardian keep the faith and the guardian keep the faith and britain will prosper, urges keir starmer. the pm says trade offs and tough decisions needed after 14 years of tory rule. okay, esther , i, it's your lucky

okay, esther, i, it's your lucky day because we're going back to your favourite topic nimbyism houses and architecture. if we get the i just back up the top right hand side a little smidge where starmer from his speech today said pylons and prisons are essential for uk growth. starmer tells nimbys and he was warning people that, you know, some of you are going to have to live next to prisons, some of you are going to have to live next to new build housing estates. but my point, esther, as a nimby is i wouldn't mind if they built that. your middle name nimby nimby it can be. >> why not nimby? i wouldn't mind if these houses of galileo were characterful. >> they looked nice. they had, you know, nice green spaces surrounding them, parks and so on. but i've passed many a new build estate down where i live in west sussex, and they are just completely soulless. >> yeah, they're they're utilitarian shoe boxes. yeah. and i think there's something there's something to be said about people's investment in the community that they actually think looks nice, like no one wants to live in a hole in the ground or in an ugly space. i think there's we really need to talk about architecture in this country, and not just just because we need more houses.

just put up ugly sort of flats and just festoon them across a sort of various towns and cities across the uk, so that's what i would say. i think there should be an emphasis, there should be some sort of incentivization of, of councils to say, look, this must blend in with the community. you don't get to just put up ugly buildings and say, here's your housing, but a lot, a lot of the policies are set down by central government in terms of the square, how much housing has to go on a square on an acre, how the land has to be structured as well, and there's less chance for councils actually to be able to decide what type of design is there. >> all because of the way that the government has worked with the government has worked with the building industry to allow this growth. and i remember very clearly some friends of mine who had come over from belgium and were taking her through winchester, and a huge new estate just outside of winchester, where you think all that money that's there. these houses were over half 1 million to £1 million. and the comment from them was, is that a prison ? from them was, is that a prison? is that a prison? because it just looked like it. and they

said that looked like a prison block in belgium. and one of the biggest problems that we have in the uk is that land is only owned by large developments because of the way of our planning system across europe, you can buy plots of land and build your own homes on there. we are not able to do that. so much in this uk. if we really want to build houses , get us to want to build houses, get us to have nice houses, allow the planning system to change so that the individual plots. >> i think they are talking about that though, aren't they? they are talking about reforming planning laws, planning passports. >> he's calling it so basically, i think the suggestion is that you can just build and then retrospectively they'll come round and ensure that it's all according to, well, obviously that there's an issue as well that there's an issue as well that that because when you're trying to get permission, you have to make sure that it's in keeping with the character of the local area. >> so there is obviously going to be have to be some kind of safeguards because people will complain if you you had a beautiful row of cottages and someone kind of like built a, a tower block, something that looked like a mcdonald's. >> well, well, it seems like

there's seems to be yet another labour civil war because starmer today warning that putting up more electricity pylons in the countryside is something they're going to have to do. >> but there are several labour mps have already come out and said they're just ugly. >> yeah, they said no, but you even had something about in the green party about this. there's nothing new in politics that you have a party agreeing on a policy, but then individual mps have to respond to their constituents concerns. let me show you one of the unfortunately for starmer, one of the most defining moments from the speech today. >> can you guess what it is? this is the moment he tried to address the conflict in the middle east. >> i call

middle east. >>the all middle east. >>the 80s, sausages, sausages, in the 80s, sausages, sausages, sausages and i think he'll be defined, as i say, the hamas tunnel. >> yes, yes, that's a sausages running out. >> no , i just thought it was >> no, i just thought it was funny. yes. >> he makes mistakes. i do sympathise, i've said some very silly things. i mean, in the handover earlier with jacob rees—mogg, i said i was meant to say philharmonic orchestra and i said philharmonic. oh no, i said, i completely , i messed it said, i completely, i messed it up anyway, i butchered it completely. so i do sympathise with him. anyway, let's get on to tonight's greatest britain and union jack. esther, your greatest britain, please. >> keir starmer, for the moment, the moment of the day with the sausage comment. bless him, i'm saying that just because i actually think he this is probably one of the best speeches he delivered in terms of his mannerisms. he's actually got got better as as someone who gives speeches, boris johnson calls him the human bollard. >> you don't agree with that? >> you don't agree with that? >> well, he is, but bollards can get better. yeah. all right. he doesn't have to remain stagnant. >> only when you've hit them. >> only when you've hit them. >> we don't . >> we don't. >> we don't. >> of course we don't condone any of that. stephen wolff, who's your guest? >> i think he's got to be the

british soldiers at arnhem. yes absolutely. there they are. there they are supporting them. still. still going, still being honourable, still being the decent people that they are. >> yeah. it was the 80th anniversary, of course, of arnhem . all the thousands. it arnhem. all the thousands. it was bloody to say the least, thousands of allied and indeed german soldiers losing their lives . we technically lost the lives. we technically lost the battle, of course, because we couldn't claim the third bridge. but charlie peters did some sterling work in holland or the netherlands last week, reporting on that , and no other on that, and no other broadcaster did, jonathan, is your greatest britain, please? >> angela rayner, it's got to be angela rayner because because this is a woman who the right wing press has got it in for her. and the biggest story over the weekend was the fact that she took her boyfriend on houday she took her boyfriend on holiday with her. and i just think give her a break. >> and so that's as feminist as it gets. no boyfriend of mine could expect a holiday. >> absolutely no. >> absolutely no. >> let's be completely clear about going on holiday. who where did she go on holiday and who paid for it? >> she went to new york over the festive period and she stayed in her friend's apartment. and the

friend is a labour lord alli for $2.5 million new york, right? right and in the same way that if you were, if you were going to york and you had a friend and you were lucky enough to have a friend who had a place there, they might let you stay as well. but the story was not that the story was that she took her boyfriend with her. she paid for the boy who was an mp, and he obviously stayed in the flat as well. the boyfriend, because the point is that was his. that was his responsibility to care it because he was an mp. >> okay, but hold on, hold on, hold on. we've got a minute left. >> she'll be okay for the boyfriend. >> well, he paid for his own flights and then he stayed with her in the flat. today's union. >> sorry. today's greatest britain is the all the soldiers at arnhem, you know what to say. charlie peters, as i said, did an amazing job. and respect to those people. we must never forget what happened. your union jack has very quickly yesterday prince harry, for saying that for wanting to replace mental health, the term mental health with mental fitness, because we do mental sit ups. >> if we're mentally depressed or something or other. >> stephen wolf, i don't know mick lynch because i think mick lynch wants to take control of

britain for the union. >> he wants to unionise the unionise britain, take us back to a union. 1970s, jonathan, your union jackass >> robert jenrick, he's he's rhetoric over the weekend about engush rhetoric over the weekend about english identity was completely indistinguishable from the staff that you used to hear from the bnp and nick griffin in the 90s. i think he's completely despicable. >> stevens, screwing his face up . >> stevens, screwing his face up. the union jack has for today is prince harry. i can understand sometimes people saying, you know, maybe we should take the word man power out of things and all this wokester. i don't agree with it, but this doesn't even make sense. >> what's he saying? >> what's he saying? >> mental fitness. >> mental fitness. >> he's replacing mental health with mental fitness. >> yeah, the word mental press ups. >> so the word health is offensive. to who? i don't get it. >> he's completely out of touch. this is someone who has never had to work a day in his life. >> well, he's our he's our union jackass. for today, esther. stephen. jonathan, thank you for joining me. thank you at home for joining me as well. patrick forjoining me as well. patrick is back tomorrow from 9 pm. next up, it's headliners and that's after your weather with alex deakin. good night. good

night . night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . solar sponsors of weather on. gb. news >> good evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office on gb news. it's going to turn dry for most overnight tonight. it's been a much drier day across england compared to monday and the weekend, but there is more rain to come across the south tomorrow as this weather system starts to approach. it was this low that brought the heavy rain over the previous 48 hours. that has been clearing away, but we're still seeing quite wet conditions over north—east scotland today. we've also had this northerly wind which is introducing cooler air across much of the country overnight tonight, but the showers are tending to fade. we will see a few more across southern england and south wales. it will stay quite mild here, double digits, but elsewhere, with that cooler air coming in, we're into single figures and some pockets of frost likely across parts of scotland. first thing tomorrow

morning we'll still have a few showers coming in first thing as well. getting into northern scotland, but these central parts of scotland that blue hue on the map that is telling us yes, temperatures are going to be down to freezing or a touch below through some sheltered glens. a bright start though, for much of southern scotland and northern ireland. some sunshine tomorrow. just 1 or 2 showers along the north coast, perhaps a few showers over northern england, but a good part of northern england. north wales actually having a fine day tomorrow . quite grey to begin tomorrow. quite grey to begin with. across southern counties of england and wales. and here comes the rain, just edging back in initially across south—west england, south wales but spreading more widely over southern england and up towards the midlands come the afternoon . the midlands come the afternoon. as i mentioned, much of northern england, northern ireland, a good chunk of scotland actually just dry and bright tomorrow with some decent spells of sunshine, but it will be on the cool side. temperatures struggling into the low, teens, a little milder further south, but not feeling all that mild with the wind and the outbreaks of rain , which will push north of rain, which will push north on thursday and could cause some further issues as this line of

rain kind of grinds to a halt. so we do have a met office yellow warning in place over much of north—east england, parts of southern scotland, northern ireland and north wales, also seeing a wet day but in the south turning a little milder and a little brighter. on thursday. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines at 11:00. sir keir starmer has defended the cut to the winter fuel payments in his first labour conference speech as prime minister. he promised that every pensioner will be better off with labour thanks to the triple lock. he outlined a vision for national renewal , vision for national renewal, including reforming, planning, ending the doctors strike and launching great british energy, which he confirmed would be based in aberdeen. the labour leader also pledged to house all veterans in need , saying homes veterans in need, saying homes will be there for heroes. he also said young care leavers and victims of domestic abuse will be given a guaranteed roof over their head. sir keir starmer went on to address the riots across the uk, sparked by the stabbings in southport. >> i will never let a minority of violent, racist thugs terrorise our community. the debate is not about the worth of