good afternoon to >> a very very good afternoon to you. it's 3:00 pm. i'm in you. it's 3:00pm. i'm in a great mood today. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster and all across the uk , the winter fuel save the the uk, the winter fuel save the winter fuel, save the winter fuel. winter fuel, save the winter fuel . the winter fuel, save the winter fuel. the unions are winter fuel, save the winter fuel . the unions are revolting, fuel. the unions are revolting, sir keir starmer suffered an humiliating defeat when his union paymasters vowed to keep the winter fuel allowance and voted his vote down. is this the beginnings of a left wing revolution? a plot to topple starmer, who's rapidly becoming the least popular prime minister in recent history ? and in recent history? and yesterday, keir starmer's new homes for heroes policy won the backing of patriotic brits. but doesit backing of patriotic brits. but does it really prioritise armed forces veterans, or could they still find themselves behind asylum seekers at the back of the queue? and on that point, gb news political editor chris hope today sat down with the prime

minister in new york and we asked him the kind of questions that other media channels dodged for example, will homes for heroes really put veterans first? is it time to stop calling protesters racist? and does he regret that sausage howler and next up shamed? itv this morning presenter phillip schofield is set to dramatically return to our tv screens in castaway, a new game show where he is stranded alone on a desert island. does he deserve a comeback? well, he does simply do us all a favour and stay on the island. that's all coming up in your next hour. the island. that's all coming up in your next hour . let's just in your next hour. let's just deal with this now . the labour deal with this now. the labour conference has finished and the biggest gaffe surely came from the prime minister, sir keir starmer. he was a bit of a silly sausage. take a look at this. >> i call again for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. the return of the sausages, the hostages , the the sausages, the hostages, the return of the sausages.

>> and of course, people on social media have been very, very creative. let's go through a few of the best of them now on your screens. let's get them up. let's get the sausage jokes out. this one is to keir starmer saying i fear the worst. see what he did there. this one is sausages for all, towering from the sky like tumbling sausages. this one all sausages matter of course , taking the knee to black course, taking the knee to black lives matter and to black puddings and this one here. greggs hostage roles. and there were many, many others simply not fit for a family show. but thanks for all of them coming in. politics is a serious business, but sometimes you know what? it's great to have a laugh too. now send your views, post your comments, and post your sausage memes. if you still have some gbnews.com/yoursay but now it's some gbnews.com/yoursay but now wsfime some gbnews.com/yoursay but now it's time for your meaty news headlines, here's mark. it's time for your meaty news headlines, here's mark . white. headlines, here's mark. white. >> good afternoon. it's just

after 3:00. the main news from the gb news centre. the government has reaffirmed its intention to cut the winter fuel allowance despite a vote at the labour party conference to reverse the controversial move . reverse the controversial move. morad tahbaz the winter fuel save the winter fuel, save the winter fuel. the motion was put forward by the unite union, which has accused the government of embarking on austerity. mark two although the vote isn't binding, it does put further pressure on labour over its decision to take away the benefit from millions of pensioners. unites general secretary sharon graham told gb news she was disappointed that the vote was moved to the very end of conference. >> well, look, i think this vote should have happened on tuesday . should have happened on tuesday. i mean, the vote was down under the economy debate on tuesday and i think it is disrespectful to the issue that we weren't heanng to the issue that we weren't hearing that vote earlier on under the economy debate. the reality here is that they're going to have to reverse this

allowance in terms of putting it back into the pockets of pensioners, and we're asking them to do that. i disagree with what the prime minister is saying on this. i'm really glad we've got a labour government. i think britain is better off with a labour government, but on this issue it is a huge misstep and a labour government, but on this issue it is a huge what he has he needs to change what he has done. and i think the country he needs to change what he has done. and i think the country out there is not really what out there is not really what happensin out there is not really what happens in this hall that's happensin out there is not really what happens in this hall that's important. it's what's happening important. it's what's happening there in the real world. they there in the real world. they are furious about it. are furious about it. >> well, the health secretary >> well, the health secretary has told the conference on its has told the conference on its fourth and final day that the fourth and final day that the nhs is letting people down as he nhs is letting people down as he promised to defend it as a promised to defend it as a pubuc promised to defend it as a pubuc promised to defend it as a public service . public service . public service. >> i know the doctor's diagnosis public service. >> i know the doctor's diagnosis can sometimes be hard to hear, can sometimes be hard to hear, but if you do not have an but if you do not have an accurate diagnosis, you will not accurate diagnosis, you will not provide the correct provide the correct prescription. and when you put prescription. and when you put protecting the reputation of the protecting the reputation of the nhs above, protecting patients, nhs above, protecting patients, you are not helping the nhs. you you are not helping the nhs. you are killing it with kindness. so are killing it with kindness. so

i say respectfully but i say respectfully but unequivocally i will not back unequivocally i will not back down. the nhs is broken, but it down. the nhs is broken, but it is not beaten and together we is not beaten and together we will turn it around. will turn it around. >> the prime minister is at the >> the prime minister is at the centre of fresh controversy over centre of fresh controversy over a decision to accept several a decision to accept several weeks accommodation at a luxury property in london. the accommodation, worth more than £20,000, was made available by weeks and labour donor lord alli. sir keir defended his decision to accept the offer because his son needed somewhere to revise for his gcses, and said the family home was besieged by journalists dunng was besieged by journalists during the election campaign. he insisted he wouldn't apologise as he'd done nothing wrong . the as he'd done nothing wrong. the government has told britons in lebanon to leave immediately as around 700 uk troops are deployed to cyprus. they'll oversee any plans for an emergency evacuation but on this

30 years service, was shot and killed in a police custody centre in south london four years ago. his killer , luis de years ago. his killer, luis de sousa, is serving life in prison after he'd managed to smuggle a gun into the custody suite. although officers arrested him on drugs charges and possession of ammunition, they failed to discover the weapon in an underarm holster. the met commissioner, sir mark rowley, paid tribute at the unveiling of the memorial . well, philip the memorial. well, philip schofield is returning to television 16 months after his departure from itv's this morning. the former tv star will appear on the channel five show castaway. the programme's producers have released a promotional video that already shows the 62 year old on the beach. he posted to his followers on instagram now you know how i spent summer alone for ten days. no food, no water,

no crew. well. schofield resigned from itv last may after he admitted an affair with a younger male colleague . and younger male colleague. and finally, a new weather warning for heavy rain has been issued by the met office , which could by the met office, which could cause further widespread flooding and travel disruption. the yellow warning has been issued for much of england and wales, parts of the west midlands and the north—west of england, between 5 pm. tomorrow and 10 am. on friday. the met office says there is some uncertainty in the details of this warning, but some areas could see up to 30mm of rain in just 2 to 3 hours. gosh, that's enough to get your feet wet. that's all from us for the moment. we're back in half an houn moment. we're back in half an hour. in the meantime, back to martin daubney for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code ,

alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> now, i don't know about you, but mark white weather related commentary fast becoming my favourite part of the show. but before that, let's move on. a motion calling for labour to reverse its cuts to the winter fuel allowance has been backed by party conference members . in by party conference members. in a humiliating blow to sir keir starmer . the winter fuel save starmer. the winter fuel save the winter fuel, save the winter fuel st bart's. and while there's nothing binding at all about that vote, it puts further pressure on labour over its decision to take away the benefits from 10 million pensioners. the motion was put forward by the unite union, their general secretary, sharon graham, told gb news the government is embarking on austerity. mark two. >> look, i think this vote should have happened on tuesday. i mean, the vote was down under

the economy debate on tuesday and i think it is disrespectful to the issue that we weren't heanng to the issue that we weren't hearing that vote earlier on under the economy debate. look, the reality here is that they're going to have to reverse this allowance in terms of putting it back into the pockets of pensioners, and we're asking them to do that. i disagree with what the prime minister is saying on this. i'm really glad we've got a labour government. i think britain is better off with a labour government, but on this issue it is a huge misstep and he needs to change what he has done and i think the country out there is not really what happens in this hall. that's important. it's what's happening there in the real world. they are furious about it. >> well, it's all kicking off in liverpool. let's cross now to our political correspondent olivia utley, who's been at that labour party conference in liverpool . liverpool. >> yes. this conference season began badly for keir starmer. there was an opinion poll on the eve of conference showing that the prime minister's popularity ratings have now dropped to —26. that's one point lower than the prime minister, and it has certainly ended very badly indeed for the prime minister. there has been this vote organised by two of the major

unions against that winter fuel reversal , which the prime reversal, which the prime minister and the chancellor of the exchequer have managed to get through parliament. so labour members voting to restore that winter fuel payment to 10 million pensioners, now in concrete terms, this doesn't matter very much. it's a symbolic vote. labour can still push ahead with it, but it does begin to indicate that keir starmer might be losing a bit of grip on his party. now, why is that? you would expect, two months after this enormous general election victory, for keir starmer to be extremely in control of the party, but he's not part of the reason, i think, for that is that although labour was very popular in the run up to the election, partly because the conservatives were so unpopular, starmer himself was never that popular. so labour members and the labour parliamentary party don't feel as though the prime minister sort of won them their seats. they don't feel that sense of gratitude to the prime minister, and that means there's not that much loyalty to him. and in the

future, going forwards , that future, going forwards, that could be a bit of a problem . could be a bit of a problem. >> it's all kicking off. and joining me now to discuss this is the political commentator peter spencer. peter always a delight to have you on the show as ever, sitting pretty in pink. unlike sir keir starmer , the unlike sir keir starmer, the unions are revolting. not for the first time. you have to admit this is a humiliating blow for the prime minister. >> well, just to be really awkward , i wouldn't actually go awkward, i wouldn't actually go so far as to say it is a humiliating blow. in point of fact, it's not binding. it was very close. everyone knew there were a large number of labour delegates and supporters who are deeply uneasy about the winter fuel allowance , and sure enough, fuel allowance, and sure enough, we had this vote. but i'm sort of with sharon , the union of with sharon, the union leader, on all this, when she said there should have been tuesday because it was today, as the conference was winding down, half the delegates were already on the train back to london. a whole load of the rest of them are probably fiddling with their

suitcases, hoping they haven't forgotten anything. and so many times in the past have i driven back from a conference, listening to my carefully crafted payoff piece on the radio and hearing it rather dispiritingly going down the running order, and by the time i actually made it back to london, it had vanished altogether. but don't get me wrong, there are many, many other things that have gone very much awry with this new administration. we have froch gate and we have sue gray gate and i'm glad i managed to say that correctly. i didn't have a sausage moment there, but i mean, i was i'm holding in my hand right now the front cover of the new latest private eye, which says labour in cost of living crisis that might that says it all. it should have been a victory lap. and as it turned out, it was a relatively dispirited thing , above all dispirited thing, above all because of the serious fears . because of the serious fears. and i go back to sue gray here

that there might be something dysfunctional in the running of government and that has to get sorted out. got to get sorted out soon. >> peter spencer, you know as well as i know that sir keir starmer pushed this vote back because he knew he'd lose it. he was on a hiding to nothing. he didn't want this to dominate the headlines. and so he shoved it backwards . but aside from this backwards. but aside from this specific moment, jeremy corbyn's gone.the specific moment, jeremy corbyn's gone. the rump of the hard left sir keir starmer is doing his best to make independence and or freeze out, but could this be the beginnings of a fresh problem for keir starmer? the unions don't seem to like him much. sir keir starmer's popularity is tanking. he's the least popular prime minister in living history. a lot of people saying 60% yesterday, peter don't think he'll even be the leader of the labour party at the next election. are the unions revolting? are they jostling , positioning themselves jostling, positioning themselves to perhaps try and take him down? >> i don't think they are , but >> i don't think they are, but they're certainly i mean, look, they're certainly i mean, look,

the government had a policy of what they call kitchen sinking, which means chucking all the bad news out into the public domain at the earliest possible moment, and the winter fuel allowance , i and the winter fuel allowance, i would suspect, was a kind of a sort of a warning shot. look, suckit sort of a warning shot. look, suck it up, guys, because that's what you're going to have to get used to. and there was some a little bit of sort of brightening things up in keir starmers speech and in rachel reeves the chancellor's speeches at the conference. but there's no question about it. we are going to go through a pretty dire period. we have the budget coming up, which i feel sure will be chock a block with pretty miserable news and what they're trying to do, though, is to lay the groundwork, say , to lay the groundwork, say, look, it's gloom today, but it could be jam tomorrow. you know, that's if we play our cards right. and but of course, so many of these things like setting up gb energy and like setting up gb energy and like setting up gb energy and like setting up like sorting the planning reform so loads of lovely new homes can be built. it all takes time. and in the

meantime, slack is not being cut for keir starmer very manifestly. you mentioned those rather dire polling figures, but his hope is he's remember, it's a brand new brand new government. we've got he's got five years for things to start appearing. and his strategy clearly is to make sure they started appearing and they're sufficiently visible for the punters to sort of cut him some slack and say, okay, he's making some progress. slack and say, okay, he's making some progress . that said, there some progress. that said, there is the problem of that. if you like the rishi sunak problem of the tin ear, and that i'm thinking specifically about how starmer did not manage to bring down the problem of stuff being given to him and, and his wife and so on, until the story had been running for several days . been running for several days. and there was one particularly disgruntled minister who said on lobby terms to a correspondent, look, you know, it should have been blindingly obvious. he

should have addressed this much sooner. should have addressed this much sooner . that, i should have addressed this much sooner. that, i think, is his achilles heel . achilles heel. >> and at that point, you just gave us a fresh nickname, peter spencen gave us a fresh nickname, peter spencer. we've had two tier keir. we've had three gear. keir we had no beer. keir yesterday . we had no beer. keir yesterday. now you give us tin ear. keir thank you very much peter spencer absolute pleasure as always to have you on the show. thank you. now moving on. prime minister sir keir starmer has promised to give all military veterans a guaranteed roof over their heads. now they will be exempt from local connection tests, which most councils use to decide who can qualify for social housing. but won't our heroes just find themselves at the back of a very long queue? well, joining us now to discuss this is the former army veteran and director of fundraising at combat stress charity, robert marsh. robert welcome to the show. pleasure to have you on. no doubt, robert, a lot of people like yourself yesterday went wow. homes for heroes. this sounds absolutely fantastic. the kind of policy we've been waiting for a long time, but we

don't know yet much of the detail. in fact, we've put some of this to the prime minister. we're showing that exclusively live at 5:00 on this channel. so keir starmer will answer that specific question. but robert marsh , from what you've seen so marsh, from what you've seen so far, does homes for heroes get your backing ? your backing? >> well, we would welcome any additional help for the veteran population , our particular population, our particular swimlane at combat stress is mental health more complex end of mental health. so ptsd, ptsd with anxiety and depression. so any additional support to the veteran population is to be welcomed. and there's been a recent study by king's that suggests that veterans have a there's likely to be 10% of the veteran population who have ptsd and that's set against a backdrop of 4% in the general population . and homelessness can population. and homelessness can help to exacerbate some of the

problems that veterans face. so, makes them more likely to have have problems around stress. ptsd, those sorts of things, and it is also an obstacle in seeking , help from mental health seeking, help from mental health professionals or getting a gp and all those sorts of things . and all those sorts of things. so, you know, having a home, having work is you know, a very important aspect of supporting veterans who are suffering this way. so we broadly welcome it . way. so we broadly welcome it. >> and, robert, in terms of the magnitude of the issue, i mean, the figures i can see here, there are about 2300 households in england, which are owed a homelessness duty with a member in that group who's previously served in the armed forces. yet we constantly talk on this channel and elsewhere about the seeming fact that we are housing thousands and thousands, hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, asylum seekers and

veterans often seem at the back of the queue. my question to the prime minister later on will be precisely that. will this guarantee veterans get preferential treatment or robert morse, is your data saying, well, you can join the queue , well, you can join the queue, but you won't be given access to the front of the queue? >> well, i'm not an expert in this specific area at all, but i think the announcement yesterday does set the tone, which is that, there will be more help for veterans and we definitely welcome that. and, the, the new veterans minister, alastair cairns, looks as though he's somebody who, you know, wants to make a difference to the veteran population. he served himself. he called a roundtable of military charities very recently. so he wants to listen from people like combat stress who are dealing with veterans day in and day out. so we do welcome this pledge that's been made. >> robert marsh i absolutely agree with you. and i really, really hope my cynicism is misplaced. i really, really do. ihope misplaced. i really, really do. i hope that this does give much needed support for veterans who

deserve the full support of our country before, during and after their service. we'll know the answer to that question around about 5:00 today when we play that exclusive interview with the prime minister. but until then, thank you very much for joining us. that's robert marsh, the director of fundraising at combat stress charity, and also, of course, an armed forces veteran. thank you for your service. thank you very much. now, still to come , is the now, still to come, is the middle east on the brink of war? i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. your time is 324. i'm martin daubney. this is gb news. tensions continue to increase in the middle east as israel's iron dome is forced to intercept missiles fired by hezbollah after thousands of pages and walkie talkies unexpectedly exploded in lebanon. israel launched its biggest offensive

yet on the country, and now thousands of british nationals in the area are being told to leave immediately. and joining me now to discuss this is the defence analyst, chris newton. chris, welcome to the show. pleasure to have your company. so things are getting frisky. not only are brits being to told leave the area, but we hear 700 british troops being deployed to cyprus . tell us, how precipitous cyprus. tell us, how precipitous is this situation? should we be concerned about britain being dragged into a broader confrontation in the middle east? >> good afternoon. i think the situation is concerning and it's worth saying, first of all, that there has been continuous activity on the lebanese border ever since the 8th of october. hezbollah has been firing rockets at israel ever since then. on a daily basis or near daily bases, and israel has been carrying out attacks as well. and the situation is really sort of escalated since july after

the hezbollah attack, where the, rocket landed on the football pitch, killing 12 children, but netanyahu last week has reportedly made a decision to return the civilians. the 80,000 civilians had been evacuated from the northern, israeli border because of the hezbollah attacks. and now you're seeing this, campaign from israel, starting with the major attacks and the and the attack on detonation of the walkie talkies . detonation of the walkie talkies. and now you're seeing an intensification of the air campaign as well to target , campaign as well to target, command and control. those are , command and control. those are, targets last week. but this, this week, the targets are, commander, key commanders and missile launchers and military infrastructure. and so forth. >> and, chris, just to be absolutely certain, with clarity about the british involvement

here. so the troops, the 700 british troops that are being deployed to cyprus, they're not going to be involved in a combat situation. right. they are being deployed to cyprus to aid the evacuation of brits and others from the lebanon area, from the middle east to cyprus. of course, cyprus is a long established and recognised military outpost that the united kingdom and america has in the area as the nearest vantage point, as it were. so there's no implication whatsoever that british troops are actually physically getting involved in any armed conflict. >> no, i mean, i mean, this is, you know, this would this is initially kind of preparation for any kind of evacuation operation that might have to take place. you know, if the situation gets even more, more intense. but the government's advice is to leave lebanon and the planning at the moment, or the planning at the moment, or the expectation is that people would adhere to that advice and there's no question of britain,

you know , getting involved in you know, getting involved in this operation in, in a combat sense. now, there may be risks in terms of an evacuation operation, but in terms of getting involved in combat or in the fighting , there's, you know, the fighting, there's, you know, there's no question of that , and there's no question of that, and certainly at the moment, chris, chris, just to sort of be clear again , with echoes of history, again, with echoes of history, the evacuation of afghanistan, the evacuation of afghanistan, the aftermath of that, the political aftermath, the humanitarian disaster, the aftermath of that, both for joe biden and for, at the time, bofis biden and for, at the time, boris johnson. >> you know , this is a situation >> you know, this is a situation of there might be a lot of people getting out of the area that need our immediate attention. cyprus is the most, geographically sensible place to do that from, to process from. but it does send out a message nevertheless, though, that we are helping not only our own citizens, but we are standing with israel, which is the key message to send out . message to send out. >> yeah, yeah. and, certainly

that's that's the case, as as you said, there's no question of getting us getting involved. militarily. but the priority at the moment in terms of the british government is the safety of, of british citizens. and, and that's the key priority. and that's why the government has, has issued their, their advice. and certainly, you know, we hope that the government, you know, continues to stand with israel on on this despite its policy on, on arms and so forth in relation to, to gaza. but, yes, it's important to stress that the, our concern at the moment, at least from a british perspective, is our british nationals in lebanon at the moment. and, and not, the wider conflict in terms of the use of any use of our , our assets. any use of our, our assets. obviously, there's a diplomatic concern from our, from our perspective with regards to escalation of the conflict . but escalation of the conflict. but but how concerned in terms of any the use of any british

assets is our, our citizens and getting our citizens out of lebanon . lebanon. >> and chris newton, there have been some spectacular videos of those israeli bombs hitting residential areas in lebanon with spectacular after explosions, the aftermath and of course, chris newton, many defence analysts and experts pointing out this is because huge amounts of arsenal explosive devices being stored by hezbollah in lebanon. and so we've seen some huge explosions. and that is because their their arsenal, their capabilities are being taken down. but of course, hezbollah are saying this is an attack on a civilian area, as we've heard many , many times we've heard many, many times from gaza. but chris newton, as far as you're concerned , this is far as you're concerned, this is a necessary manoeuvre to take out the capabilities of a terrorist organisation . terrorist organisation. >> yes. i mean, the israelis, the israeli defence forces, you know, they they have been clear in saying that this is, you

know, a military operation aimed at the missile launchers and the various weaponry and the storage facilities, as you know, as far as we can see, that's that's happening. and you're right, hezbollah, contains a, an extensive, rocket , missile and extensive, rocket, missile and drone arsenal, around about 100 to 150,000. projectiles. so, and as i've said at the beginning, these weapons are being used against israel on a daily basis, and you cannot blame israel for taking the, the operation to for taking the, the operation to for taking the, the operation to for taking the action that it's been taking, so, so that's what we're seeing. and obviously this is going to , you know, they can't going to, you know, they can't take out, you know, you know , take out, you know, you know, the vast majority of the capability. but but they're, they're degrading the capability and they're making it more difficult for hezbollah to, to, to conduct operations in the future. >> great stuff. expert analysis. thank you very much. that's the

defence analyst, chris newton. thanks for joining defence analyst, chris newton. thanks forjoining me here on gb news. thank you. lots more still to come between now and 4:00 including can labour finally fix the nhs? well, health secretary wes streeting has set himself quite a challenge as he's guaranteed the nation to the nafion guaranteed the nation to the nation that he will cut those waiting lists. could it be his? i'll stop the boats moment. i'll have that all to follow. but first, here's your headlines and it's mark . white. it's mark. white. >> good afternoon at 332. the latest headlines from the gb news centre. the government has reaffirmed its intention to cut the winter fuel allowance, despite a vote at the labour party conference to reverse the controversial move. >> emotional . save the winter >> emotional. save the winter fuel. save the winter fuel. >> the motion was put forward by the unite union, which has accused the government of

embarking on austerity. mark two. although the vote isn't binding, it does put further pressure on labour over its decision to take away the benefit from millions of pensioners . the prime benefit from millions of pensioners. the prime minister is at the centre of fresh controversy over a decision to accept several weeks accommodation at a luxury property in london. the accommodation , worth more than accommodation, worth more than £20,000, was made available by labour donor lord alli sir keir defended his decision to accept the offer because his son needed somewhere to revise for his gcses, and said the family home was besieged by journalists dunng was besieged by journalists during the election campaign. he insisted he wouldn't apologise as he'd done nothing wrong . the as he'd done nothing wrong. the government has told britons in lebanon to leave immediately as around 700 uk troops are deployed to cyprus. they'll oversee any plans for emergency

evacuations . warning evacuations. warning sirens sounded in tel aviv this morning as a missile was intercepted by air defence systems after it was detected crossing from lebanon. the terror group hezbollah has confirmed it launched a missile targeting mossad headquarters. hezbollah claims the intelligence agency is responsible for assassinating leaders and blowing up pagers and walkie talkies in lebanon . and walkie talkies in lebanon. the prime minister in new york at the united nations security council, said the government is ramping up its contingency plans in light of the escalating situation . the police memorial situation. the police memorial trust has unveiled a specially commissioned memorial stone dedicated to the memory of metropolitan police sergeant matt ratana. sergeant ratana, who was nearing retirement after

30 years service, was shot and killed in a police custody centre in south london four years ago. sergeant ratana's killer, louis de zoysa, is serving life in prison after he'd managed to smuggle a gun into the custody suite. although officers arrested him on drugs charges and possession of ammunition , they failed to ammunition, they failed to discover the weapon in an underarm holster. will the met commissioner, sir mark rowley, has paid tribute to the fallen sergeant ? sergeant? >> the impact of matt's death reverberated across the met and across policing in london and uk and the world, not least because of his own global connections. he is often referred to as a larger than life character , larger than life character, leaving behind his presence in all he met. in all he touched. >> phillip schofield is returning to television 16 months after his departure from itv's this morning. the former tv star will appear on the

channel five show castaway. the programme's producers have already released a promotional video of the 62 year old, as he told his followers on instagram now you know how i spent my summer alone for ten days? no food, no water, no crew? well. schofield resigned from itv last may after he admitted an affair with a younger male colleague . with a younger male colleague. and finally a new weather warning for heavy rain has been issued by the met office, which could cause further widespread flooding and travel disruption. the yellow warning has been issued for much of england and wales, parts of the west midlands and the north—west of england, between 5 pm. tomorrow and 10 am. on friday. the met office says there is some uncertainty in the details of this warning, but some areas could see up to 30mm of rain in just 2 to 3 hours, so the perfect weather for sailing down your local high street. okay

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martin daubney this is gb news now. the health secretary has admitted that the nhs is broken again, but has vowed not to give up on it. instead, he's guaranteed waiting lists will be cut and by getting hospitals running like a formula one pit stop. well, are you convinced? well, here is mr streeting in action. >> i know the doctor's diagnosis can sometimes be hard to hear, but if you do not have an accurate diagnosis, you will not provide the correct prescription . provide the correct prescription. and when you put protecting the reputation of the nhs above, protecting patients , you are not protecting patients, you are not helping the nhs. you are killing it with kindness. so i say respectfully but unequivocally, i will not back down. the nhs is broken , but it is not beaten and broken, but it is not beaten and together we will turn it around. >> well, it's fantastic rhetoric

but is there any substance behind it? joining me now is the former chief executive officer of the royal college of nursing, doctor peter carter. obe. thank you very, very much for joining us today. doctor carter, so we've heard for goodness knows how many years that the nhs is broken. wes streeting, however, seems to be the most determined health minister of them all to tackle this crisis. of course, in doing so , he will face in doing so, he will face opposition from both the political left and the political right. and the question there is, is he prepared to do what's necessary and is that a mixture in your eyes? the best solution, the best diagnosis, the best medicine for the nhs? part private, part nationalised. is that the way we should do it ? that the way we should do it? >> well, we all want wes streeting to succeed. i disagree with using the blanket statement that the nhs is broken. there are parts of the nhs where

things are pretty desperate. a&e delayed discharges, waiting lists and ara darzi, who was committed commissioned by wes streeting to carry out an inquiry, has published that. and ara darzi makes the point that the nhs has to change that things are not in a good state in many places. but he did make the point that it does need investment. now i know there's always a danger that people think we just can't keep throwing money at it and we can't keep throwing money at it. it has to spend its existing money more wisely, and any new investment has to be spent wisely. now, if i can, because i don't know how long we've got, but i'll just give you one example. wes streeting. as i say, i want the man to succeed. he said that he was ashamed of our maternity services. well, we know that in some areas there have been major problems with maternity services and some of the things that we've heard

about are unforgivable. but we do have some amazing obstetricians and wonderful midwives and the uk is still one of the safest places in the world to have a baby. now, if you if you've lost your baby under circumstances which they ought not to have been, that's not going to be any consolation to you. and we want those people investigated. and if people are culpable, they have to be held to account. but i don't think it's helpful to make these sweeping statements. so we'll have to see in the long term whether or not his diagnosis and his prescription is the right treatment plan to turn the nhs around. but doctor carter, there has been so much rhetoric about it's broken, it needs fixing now we're down to the actual coalface of how that's best implemented. >> and back to my point. a lot of people have been saying, why not go down a danish route and australian route, those who are

going to fall to opt out and pay for private insurance should be encouraged to do so. to free up the space, the beds, the treatment capacity for those who cannot yet . doctor carter. that cannot yet. doctor carter. that will surely put him at loggerheads with the nursing unions, with the gp unions and so will the political left allow him to be the moderniser we suspect he probably would like to be. >> well, the nhs, nigel lawson famously said it's the nearest thing the british have got to a religion, and it is a fact when somebody tries to touch it or to change it for the good. there's an outcry right across the piece. now, the fact is, if you do go down a route where people have to pay, partly as they do in countries like ireland, france and many others, i don't have a problem with that. as long as people accept you will have to pay more, i mean, that is the issue now in many of those countries, people say, well, i don't mind paying more because i'm actually getting a

faster and a better treatment, but it's not going to be a panacea to cure all its ills. what i would say is that nothing should be off the table. let's have a look at it, but i still think it's an nhs that's got far more going for it than people would realise. again, because of years and years of underfunding. and by the way, it's been over successive parties that there have been problems. we now have these massive waiting lists which were unforeseen. ara darzi also talked about £375 which were unforeseen. ara darzi also talked about £37.5 billion worth of backlog , maintenance worth of backlog, maintenance and buildings that need to be repaired and if you look at, say, i've mentioned maternity services once before in many of those services, the equipment, the building stock, the staffing levels are far inferior to those of comparable countries. so i'm afraid if labour wants to, if the government wants to do something about it, which i want to support them, do it. they've got to have a plan. they've got

to have the detail, and then they've got to have the courage to follow it through. >> expert dan azeez, thank you so much for sharing that with us. that's the former chief executive officer of the royal college of nursing, doctor peter carter. thank you . now shame carter. thank you. now shame presenter philip schofield is set to return to our tv screens and a new game show where he's stranded alone on a desert island. does he deserve a comeback, or should we just do us all a favour and stay on the island? i'm daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. it's 10 to 4. i'm welcome back. it's 10 to 4. i'm martin daubney on gb news now martin daubney on gb news now phillip schofield, the disgraced phillip schofield, the disgraced tv presenter, has broken his tv presenter, has broken his silence on his tv return after silence on his tv return after announcing he will star in his announcing he will star in his own survival show on channel own survival show on channel five. he'll be marooned on a five. he'll be marooned on a remote island off madagascar for remote island off madagascar for ten days, soul searching, as you ten days, soul searching, as you can see him there wandering can see him there wandering around. he hasn't been seen on around. he hasn't been seen on

our screen, of course, for over our screen, of course, for over a year. 16 months, in fact, after admitting to having a relationship with a much younger male colleague. well, does he deserve a comeback? or should i just leave him on that lonely island to think the rest of his life through? joining me now is the publicity coach, marius. welcome to the

many of us in the industry expected it to be a big, explosive interview with the likes of piers morgan. i think he's been very clever in the way he's been very clever in the way he has chosen castaway as his his he has chosen castaway as his platform to come back because, as you said, martin, he's on his platform to come back because, as you said, martin, he's on his own on a desert island . nobody's own on a desert island . nobody's own on a desert island. nobody's questioning him. no one's own on a desert island. nobody's questioning him. no one's challenging him. and in his own challenging him. and in his own words, what he has done is words, what he has done is unwise, not illegal. so i think unwise, not illegal. so i think there is two camps. whether there is two camps. whether people want him back and he people want him back and he deserves a second chance. and deserves a second chance. and secondly, how that will be secondly, how that will be received. because at the end of received. because at the end of the day, he can't work in a the day, he can't work in a checkout or in a call centre. tv checkout or in a call centre. tv is all this guy knows and this is all this guy knows and this is all this guy knows and this is his way of comeback. is all this guy knows and this is his way of comeback. >> yeah, but he can't be short >> yeah, but he can't be short of a few bob. i mean, he was of a few bob. i mean, he was earning absolutely packets for earning absolutely packets for

years. why can't he just, years. why can't he just, i don't know, go and play golf and retire quietly? why does he have to come back on our screens? they're just vanity. is it addictive? addicted to fame.

you on the now, have you on the show. now, coming up, our political editor, chris hope, has a stonking exclusive interview with sir keir starmer. the big question we asked will homes for heroes really put veterans first or is it just window dressing? you will not want to miss that interview. and does keir starmer regret that? sausages howler certainly been a banger for us. i'm martin daubney on gb news. britain's news channel now's your weather is aidan mcgivern . your weather is aidan mcgivern. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> hi there, welcome along to the latest update from the met office for gb news cloudy and wet for many of us through the rest of today, the rain does clear from the south. later on as this area of low pressure moves its rain bands north across the uk, clearing to showers in the southwest, whilst

brighter skies remain for northern scotland, albeit with here also a few showers as we go into the evening. the main area of rain though, moves through wales into the midlands and then eventually settles upon northern england. southern scotland and northern ireland. a damp night to come in these areas, whilst showers push back into the south and southwest. some heavy downpours overnight, along with a gusty wind 12 to 13 celsius by dawn in the south, so mild here, but rather chilly as we begin things for northern scotland. a few showers but otherwise bright enough for the far north of scotland. some sunshine around first thing. caithness, sutherland , orkney as well as sutherland, orkney as well as the western isles seeing blue skies but come further south into central belt. it's cloudy , into central belt. it's cloudy, it's damp and the more persistent and heavier rain will be affecting northern ireland and most especially northeast england, where there is the risk of localised flooding and transport disruption. first thing because of 50 to 80mm of rain expected to accumulate through the day. that rain also continuing to affect north

wales, parts of the north midlands. but for the southern half of england, as well as south wales , well, there will be south wales, well, there will be some brightness around, but also some brightness around, but also some heavy showers, perhaps even the odd rumble of thunder and some gusty winds along the coast. those winds, though coming from the southwest, will bnng coming from the southwest, will bring milder air. so where we avoid the showers, temperatures will reach 18 celsius further north. a cold day to come, particularly under the rain across northern england . then across northern england. then that rain continues into the evening. it does gradually sink south and it becomes heavier for a time through parts of mid wales, into the midlands and east anglia. that again could cause some issues. by friday, the rain's clearing away and we'll see a mix of bright spells and showers saturday and sunday. also look brighter. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb

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it's 4:00 pm and welcome to the martin daubney show here on gb news we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster and all across the uk today to interview , save the winter fuel, interview, save the winter fuel, save the winter fuel. unions are revolting. sir keir starmer suffered an humiliating defeat when his union paymasters voted to keep the winter fuel allowance. is this the beginnings of a left wing revolution? a plot to topple starmer, who's rapidly becoming the least popular prime minister in recent history ? and in recent history? and yesterday, keir starmer's new homes for heroes policy won the backing of patriotic brits. but doesit backing of patriotic brits. but does it really prioritise armed forces, veterans or could could they still find themselves behind asylum seekers? at the back of the queue? we put that question to the prime minister because gb news political editor chris hope today sat down with the prime minister in new york and we dare to ask him the questions that others simply

dodge. for example , will homes dodge. for example, will homes for heroes really put our veterans first? is it time to stop calling protesters racists and does he regret that silly sausage howler ? sausage howler? what was the show? always an absolute pleasure to have your company? we're about to cross live to chris hope in new york. he sat down with the prime minister earlier on and asked some fantastic questions. we've got a cracking exclusive for you in about an hour's time. you will not want to miss it. trust me , not want to miss it. trust me, it's an absolutely top drawer story from chris hope. get in touch. the usual ways we're about to cross to him. get in touch with me, gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, is your headlines. mark. gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, is your headlines. mark . white. is your headlines. mark. white. >> good afternoon at just after 4:00, the latest news from the

gb news centre, the prime minister has told british nationals in lebanon to leave immediately as around 700 uk troops are deployed to cyprus. well, speaking before addressing the united nations security council, he said the extra troops would oversee any evacuation. >> a very important message for british nationals in lebanon , british nationals in lebanon, which is the time to leave, is now. the contingency plans are being ramped up, but don't wait for those. there are still commercial flights. it's very important that they hear my message, which is to leave and to leave immediately. >> war warning sirens sounded in tel aviv this morning as a missile was intercepted by air defence systems after it was detected crossing from lebanon. the terror group hezbollah has confirmed it launched a missile

targeting mossad headquarters . targeting mossad headquarters. hezbollah claims the intelligence agency is responsible for assassinating leaders and blowing up pagers and walkie talkies in lebanon, the prime minister is at the centre of fresh controversy over a decision to accept several weeks accommodation at a luxury property in london. the accommodation, worth more than £20,000, was made available by labour donor lord alli . sir keir labour donor lord alli. sir keir defended his decision to accept the offer because his son needed somewhere to revise for his gcses, and said the family home was besieged by journalists dunng was besieged by journalists during the election campaign. he insisted that that he wouldn't apologise as he'd done nothing wrong . well, the government has wrong. well, the government has reaffirmed its intention to cut the winter fuel allowance despite a vote at the labour party conference to reverse the

controversial move to save the winter fuel , save the winter winter fuel, save the winter fuel, save the winter fuel. the motion was put forward by the unite union, which has accused the government of embarking on austerity. mark two although the vote isn't binding, it does put further pressure on labour over its decision to take away the benefit from millions of pensioners. unite's general secretary, sharon graham, told gb news she was disappointed the move was. the vote was moved to the very end of conference. >> well, look, i think this vote should have happened on tuesday. i mean, the vote was down under the economy debate on tuesday and i think it is disrespectful to the issue that we weren't heanng to the issue that we weren't hearing that vote earlier on under the economy debate. look, the reality here is that they're going to have to reverse this allowance in terms of putting it back into the pockets of pensioners, and we're asking them to do that. i disagree with what the prime minister is saying on this. i'm really glad we've got a labour government. i think britain is better off with a labour government, but on this

issue it is a huge misstep and he needs to change what he has done. and i think the country out there is not really what happensin out there is not really what happens in this hall that's important. it's what's happening there in the real world. they are furious about it. >> well, meanwhile, the health secretary has told the conference on its fourth and final day that the nhs is letting people down and he promised to defend it as a pubuc promised to defend it as a public service. >> i know the doctor's diagnosis can sometimes be hard to hear , can sometimes be hard to hear, but if you do not have an accurate diagnosis, you will not provide the correct prescription and when you put protecting the reputation of the nhs above protecting patients, you are not helping the nhs. you are killing it with kindness. so i say respectfully but unequivocally i will not back down. the nhs is broken, but it is not beaten and together we will turn it around . together we will turn it around. >> the police memorial trust has

unveiled a specially commissioned memorial stone dedicated to the memory of metropolitan police sergeant matt ratana. sergeant ratana , matt ratana. sergeant ratana, who was nearing retirement after 30 years service, was shot and killed in a police custody centre in south london four years ago . sergeant ratana's years ago. sergeant ratana's killer , louise desouza is killer, louise desouza is serving life in prison after he'd managed to smuggle a gun into the custody suite. although officers arrested him on drugs charges and possessing ammunition, they failed to discover the weapon in an underarm holster. will the met commissioner, sir mark rowley, paid tribute at the memorial service. >> the impact of matt's death reverberated across the met and across policing in london and uk and the world, not least because of his own global connections. he is often referred to as a larger than life character, leaving behind his presence in all he met. in all he touched .

all he met. in all he touched. >> phillip schofield is returning to television 16 months after his departure from itv's this morning. the former tv star will appear on the channel five show castaway, the programme's producers released a promotional video as the 62 year old told his followers on instagram now you know how i spent my summer alone for ten days? no food, no water, no crew? well. schofield resigned from itv last may after he admitted an affair with a younger male colleague and finally a new weather warning of heavy rain has been issued by the met office, which could cause further widespread flooding and travel disruption. the yellow warnings being issued for much of england and wales , for much of england and wales, parts of the west midlands and the north west of england between 5 pm. tomorrow and 10 am. on friday. the met office says there are some uncertainty in the details of this warning,

but some areas could see up to 30mm of rain in just three hours. there you go . you right hours. there you go. you right up to date with your news and your weather. now someone who always goes down a storm martin daubney for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> or mark white. thank you for that thunderous reaction. so sir keir starmer has left the labour party conference to join world leaders at the united nations in the united states to deliver his first speech as prime minister. we'll be bringing you that live in just under an hour's time. but now let's go live to new york now and visit to speak to our gb news political editor, chris hope, who is there for us. chris, welcome to the show.

there you are on the banks of the river hudson. i believe so, sir keir starmer sailed away from the conference, but there was a there was bad news for him there. the unions revolted. they voted against his win to fuel vote, a humiliating exit. so let's first talk about that. then let's talk about what we can expect today and then tell us about the cracking exclusive you've got for us later in the show . show. >> that's right. martin. well, welcome to new york city, the banks of the hudson. if i'll just show you around where we are. this is the hudson. if ben can swivel around behind me here, you'll see the un building, this enormous building here where we're seeing sir keir starmer got his first security council meeting shortly to discuss the escalating problems in lebanon. the evacuation of brits. all brits told to leave there and then because of the concerns about israel. he also said there might be some meetings with president zelenskyy. this idea of a victory plan to try and drive home what might be a victory for ukraine in their war with

russia. so it's all happening here. we're on the banks of a river, the river hudson, but it's a bit similar to the river mersey, where i was just yesterday. we heard from sir keir starmer, of course. he suffered quite a humiliating defeat from his own members. they're voting down the government's plan. in fact, now a law to axe the winter fuel payment. that's been an issue for this government. we'll hear more from sir keir starmer on that at 5:00. and also , i that at 5:00. and also, i thought a change in tone in his speech yesterday, which might be welcomed by gb news viewers . he welcomed by gb news viewers. he talked about controlling immigration. he also talked about the fact that you can discuss concerns about net migration and that's fine by this labour government. it's a language we haven't heard really from this government. we've been we've been talking about it a lot of viewers, listeners are concerned about it . and maybe, concerned about it. and maybe, just maybe, this government is listening to those concerns. >> martin, is that the case, though , chris? or as usual with though, chris? or as usual with politicians, is it window dressing? i know you're going to ask him some pertinent questions

on that later on, but how do you think the conference went ? it think the conference went? it started badly with the free gear kia scandal, with the cronyism. it ended badly with this revolt. wes streeting delivered a bit of a barnstorming speech on the nhs, perhaps positioning himself as somebody that all eyes are on.andis as somebody that all eyes are on. and is this backlash the union backlash today, chris, doesit union backlash today, chris, does it have any significance? unite the cwu, the trade union congress? of course, these are the major vehicles of the opponents now of the political left. now jeremy corbyn has been ushered into history. could the unions, could the left be a problem for sir keir starmer later on? might they be revolting against him? his popularity is tanking. could they come back to haunt him ? they come back to haunt him? >> well, they're certainly important because they donate heavily to the party. they're the labour party's paymasters. and if you start getting at odds with unions, that's always a bad

look. and so early also in this time in government, i mean , the time in government, i mean, the tony blair fell out with his union supporters over a few years, but not within 10 or 12 weeks. it's definitely a big worry. i think . and of course, worry. i think. and of course, sharon, sharon graham, the unite leader, that one of the biggest paymasters for labour, they didn't sign off on that manifesto and also didn't approve, of course, clearly, because they voted, they led the rebellion today against that winter fuel payment. it is a worry, i think, for labour government. they're setting themselves against their their core support. and i wonder whether, you know, the suggestion of austerity. they say we're not keen on austerity. but we heard didn't we, from sir keir starmer saying we're all in it together in his speech. exactly. the same language used by george osborne in those years 2010 1112, when he forced that austerity onto the country. and, of course, the government says no plans to return to that. so it's a worry, i think, for them. but he he's escaped the drama of liverpool to be here in new york. i should say. he did speak earlier to cameras when we

should play that now about why the government wants britain's out of lebanon as soon as possible. it concerns sir keir starmer. he's given an instruction to brits to leave the leave lebanon. i think that's a worry. i think going forward and that's why i think that a lot of the focus of the security council meeting at 5:00 will be that big issue. >> and chris, i know you've got to dash off in a moment to get inside that speech there. keir starmer expected yet to clear security. what can we expect you think today from sir keir starmer at the . un. starmer at the. un. >> yes. as i was saying there, the big concern here, here there's two big issues here facing the uk at the moment. the most pressing one is britain's in lebanon. they've got to be told to leave immediately by the uk government because as the, the, the fighting between hezbollah fighters in southern lebanon and israeli troops gets worse and worse, we're seeing images on our screens of gb news

of people fleeing that area. that's the first concern. the second concern is there's a quite a pressure on the us and uk to agree more support for ukraine. a so—called victory plan mapped out by president zelenskyy, the ukrainian leader . zelenskyy, the ukrainian leader. he is here in new york. he's trying to meet and get the support of joe biden. of course, he's now a lame duck president. he'll be out of power effectively within seven weeks. although he leaves office early next year and they want to get somehow get the us to agree to this plan and try and push on forward almost a legacy issue forward almost a legacy issue for joe biden. but equally, the concerns is that if donald trump wins the election, which is very possible given how tight the polls are, then there could be pressure on ukraine to sue for a peace deal with russia, which ukraine may not want. so the two competing priorities, and it's never quiet when you're the prime minister of the uk, you can have battles at home and big battles abroad. >> okay, chris, we're going to let you go now. and i know you

need to get inside the un there to get a ringside seat for the prime minister at 5:00, and we'll speak to you again in the next hour about your cracking exclusive. chris, up there. live from new york. thank you very, very much, chris. got a dash now. moving on. a motion calling for labour to reverse its cuts to the winter fuel allowance. as we've been discussing, has been backed by party conference members. in a humiliating blow to sir keir starmer say the winter fuel . winter fuel. >> save the winter fuel, save the winter fuel simon mayall. >> and of course, while there's nothing binding about that vote, it does put further pressure on labour over its decision to take away the benefits from 10 million british pensioners. the motion was put forward by the unite union and their general secretary, sharon graham, told gb news the government is embarking on austerity. mark two. >> well, look, i think this vote should have happened on tuesday. i mean, the vote was down under the economy debate on tuesday and i think it is disrespectful to the issue that we weren't heanng to the issue that we weren't hearing that vote earlier on

under the economy debate. look, the reality here is that they're going to have to reverse this allowance in terms of putting it back into the pockets of pensioners and we're asking them to do that. i disagree with what the prime minister is saying on this. i'm really glad we've got a labour government. i think britain is better off with a labour government, but on this issue it is a huge misstep and he needs to change what he has done. and i think the country out there is not really what happensin out there is not really what happens in this hall that's important. it's what's happening there in the real world. they are furious about it. >> well, unite or furious and let's go live now to the spokesperson for fuel poverty action , jonathan bean. jonathan, action, jonathan bean. jonathan, welcome to the show. so we can see that the unions are furious. are you furious about the fact that even though the unions stood up to the labour party and voted this motion down, it's not binding. this will still be the law of the land. 10 million pensioners will not be getting their winter fuel allowance this winter. what's your thoughts ? winter. what's your thoughts? >> well, yes, i mean, the british public are furious and millions of pensioners are actually terrified going into this winter.

>> it's very obvious to everyone that rachel reeves made a terrible mistake, and it's very clear also that they intend to kind of look tough and stick with this mistake and try and pretend there's not an issue, regardless of the impact on pubuc regardless of the impact on public confidence in terms of the number of deaths and the impact this is going to have on the nhs. >> do you find it astonishing still, all these weeks on, as many of us do, jonathan bean, that despite the fact that the labour party were briefing themselves in 2017, that we could see 4000 deaths if the conservative government of the time and theresa may got rid of the winter fuel allowance, they pressed on and did it anyway. and the saving of £1.4 billion. today we find there could be £50 billion. they found down the back of the sofa at downing street. do you think there's an element here of tin eared keir starmer , who hasn't listened to starmer, who hasn't listened to pensioners? he's pressed on with this despite the fact, it seems to me, in my opinion, to be one

of the most unpopular things the prime minister has done in living memory. >> yeah, i mean, he's obviously not listening to the british public. he's not listening to charities , he's not listening to charities, he's not listening to fuel poverty experts. he's now not listening to his own members. so really, we're now terrified. it's very clear they're not going to change. we're looking at 2 million low income pensioners being potentially without heating this winter and a huge impact on the nhs. we've got , fuel prices nhs. we've got, fuel prices going up. they're going to be 65% above what they were in 2020. so, it's a really serious situation. standing charges are double what they were. and this lifeline has been taken away. and pensioners are the last people you want to be switching off the heating in winter. that's just going to have huge impacts on the nhs. >> and jonathan, you're obviously hearing from many, many pensioners out there who have grave concerns. do you think they'll forget this in a

hurry? do you think this is something that will live with them for a long time? it's politicians, i think think people have five minute memories or they won't care. in a few months time, they'll have moved on. we'll be talking about something different. but if this is a matter as you say, jonathan, being of life and death, do you think pensioners might remember this when they head to the polling booths next time? >> well, i would actually be more worried whether people are going to survive this. i mean, you know, we are going to lose thousands of pensioners as a result of this decision, and many will end up getting sick and pensioners may not always vote for labour, but they have families and their families are also extremely worried. you know, we need an energy system where people can afford to put their heating on and stay safe and don't end up getting sick and don't end up getting sick and don't end up getting sick and don't end up dying, which is why we've proposed something called energy for all, which would guarantee everyone the essential energy to stay warm. and we're taking this to number 10 next week, and we really hope

that keir starmer will start listening and taking the action to save lives and save the nhs . to save lives and save the nhs. >> and jonathan bean, when you're down at downing street , you're down at downing street, please come and see us here @gbnews. we're just around the corner. we'd love to do all we can to support you. and in the meantime , if people want to meantime, if people want to support fuel poverty action, what do they do? how can they get in touch? >> well, yeah. go on to our website. we have the petition. we have 660,000 people that have signed the proposal for energy for all. we have many people also campaigning against standing charges , so yeah, standing charges, so yeah, please go on our website, energy for all, and also fuel poverty action. we have two websites and please, you know, get involved in actions both aimed at the government and also ofgem who are currently refusing to get rid of standing charges. so, yeah, there's lots of battles still to happen this winter. we just hope that people will start listening and some positive change can happen. >> well, jonathan bean, fuel

poverty action. you're doing god's work. please keep going and please come and see us when you're down in london. thank you very, very much forjoining us very, very much for joining us today on gb news. i really do appreciate your time. thank you. now france is to expel illegal immigrants who have broken into the country. or should we take a leaf out of their book? i think so. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news

welcome back. time is 424. i'm martin daubney on gb news. france's new interior minister has pledged to expel illegal immigrants who have, quote, broken into the country amid moves aimed at toughening law and order. it's astonishing developments. and joining me now to discuss this is the journalist and broadcaster from paris, peter allen, joining us live on gb news peter, welcome to the show. always a delight.

this is an astonishing development. france has gone full farage. in fact, they've gone one further and this is president macron's new interior minister pledging to expel illegal immigrants who have broken into the country illegally. let's start with that bit broken in illegally. what does he mean ? well, effectively, does he mean? well, effectively, martin, he means that france, an immigrant nation, one that has clearly been full of migration for centuries. the problem of, undocumented migrants is seen as a very large one here in france. and it has been for a long time. >> and what we effectively have here is a new interior minister who has got the job pretty unexpectedly. >> i have to say, he's not a member of emmanuel macron's renaissance party. >> as you pointed out, there , >> as you pointed out, there, martin, he's a republican, this is a right wing party, a

conservative party, probably pretty similar to the british conservatives. they are a minority party at the moment. >> he isn't even in the national assembly, which is the french equivalent of the house of commons. he's in the senate. >> and bruno retailleau, effectively, he is laying out his stall. >> he's saying that this problem is still here with too many undocumented people in the country. and he is calling a meeting of around ten prefects from the ten regions of france, which are most affected by the problem of mass undocumented , problem of mass undocumented, immigration and is saying that he is going to do something about it. he's using the kind of discourse that you would expect of somebody like him. but what is a little bit short of is specific policy. he is saying that he wants to work more closely with the european commission with other eu nations, to sort out this

problem, but we should be getting the specifics at a later date. we would expect that. but at the moment, as i say, he's just laying out his stall. really. he's saying that he's going to be an interior minister who clamps down on migrants, and he is encouraging the eu to support him in that. martin and that peter allen, we all know, is where he's going to run into trouble, because he's going to start headbutting brussels. >> they're going to push back, as they did with germany that recently vowed to close its entire land borders with all of the nations around it. what he means is if you're coming in illegally, it means you're coming in without documents, and therefore you're going to be expelled. well, that's precisely what many people in the united kingdom would like us to do. but of course, that would mean us sending them back to france . so sending them back to france. so maybe downstream, if this is nipped in the bud, as it were in france, there might be less of a through flow to our borders. and isn't it astonishing , peter isn't it astonishing, peter allen, that michel barnier is

the new prime minister of france? right. this guy was the godfather of schengen, the godfather of schengen, the godfather of schengen, the godfather of open borders, until he got elected. and then he was actually the electorate have concerns like radical islam, the importation of huge amounts of drugs, armaments, violence against police . finally, could against police. finally, could we see some common sense politics in france, or do you expect massive pushback ? expect massive pushback? >> i think we should expect massive pushback. martin. i think that's the honest answer. france is, of course , one of the france is, of course, one of the leading lights of the eu project. it's a country that is led by a massive europhile in emmanuel macron. his first loyalty in many ways is the eu, and he will be doing exactly what they tell them. we have a situation where the largest political grouping in the national assembly is a left wing one. they haven't produced a

single minister because emmanuel macron is not allowing that. they're extremely angry that the most right wing government in a long time has been chosen . long time has been chosen. remember, it's not really functioning yet. it hasn't actually started doing much. and there's always the chance of a no confidence votes as well. so this new interior minister, matteo, he has to look up to all this opposition while trying to deal with a problem that has been around, not just for years and decades, but for centuries. again france is a massive immigrant nation far more so than the uk, really. it's got ten borders with other countries very close. clearly to africa, and has very strong links with south east asia and the likes. lots of links with countries that it colonised over many, many years. so the idea that this , interior minister is going this, interior minister is going to come in and try and sort all

these problems out with all this massive opposition that he's going to be up against, to add to everything we've discussed so far, the european union, the european commission, a parliament that's not going to be on his side. you, of course, have the courts. the courts here have the courts. the courts here have been very strong, as they have been very strong, as they have been very strong, as they have been in britain for standing up for human rights and the like and stopping people from being deported. i've seen while i've been in france, many attempts to deport individuals from france, it doesn't generally work. they tend to come back. >> and yet peter allen , he said >> and yet peter allen, he said that his first cabinet meeting on monday. i have three priorities. the first is to restore order. the second is to restore order. the second is to restore order, and the third, you've guessed it, is to restore order. education education, education. this guy is talking a good fight. is that just a political gesture to try and

muzzle the likes of le pen to muzzle the likes of le pen to muzzle the likes of le pen to muzzle the far right in france? really has got no teeth. it's all performative, i think rather than muzzling the ranks of people like marine le pen, he wants to join the ranks of people like marine le pen , and people like marine le pen, and they are all very similar politicians. >> they talk a good game, they come out with slogans. you perhaps suggested there that one. he probably stole off tony blair and just changed the word, but you know, he does that very well, the previous interior ministers have included people like nicolas sarkozy. he had all kinds of slogans as well. he used to say things like , i'm used to say things like, i'm going to use a power hose to get rid of the scum. this, this kind of very reactionary rhetoric, which is very popular amongst those kind of politicians . those kind of politicians. there's a lot of them in france at the moment, he, as you quite rightly say, martin, he's the first one in a while that has

beenin first one in a while that has been in a pretty strong position. but is he going to make a huge difference? i personally don't think he will. >> fascinating. so thank you as ever for joining >> fascinating. so thank you as ever forjoining us from paris. that's peter allen. thank you. always a pleasure. now lots more still to come between now and 5:00. i'll be speaking to ben habib, the deputy of reform, the former deputy of reform uk, on whether labour are taking immigration seriously enough. but first, here's your headlines andifs but first, here's your headlines and it's mark. but first, here's your headlines and it's mark . white. and it's mark. white. >> good afternoon. at 432, the latest news from the gb newsroom. the prime minister has told british nationals in lebanon to leave immediately as around 700 uk troops are deployed to cyprus. speaking before addressing the united nafions before addressing the united nations security council, sir keir said the extra troops would oversee any evacuation . oversee any evacuation. >> a very important message for

british nationals in lebanon, which is the time to leave, is now. the contingency plans are being ramped up but don't wait for those. there are still commercial flights. it's very important that they hear my message, which is to leave and to leave immediately. >> warning sirens sounded in tel aviv this morning as a missile was intercepted by air defence systems after it was detected crossing from lebanon. the terror group hezbollah has confirmed it launched a missile targeting mossad headquarters. hezbollah claims the intelligence agency is responsible for assassinating leaders and blowing up pagers and walkie talkies in lebanon . and walkie talkies in lebanon. the prime minister is at the centre of fresh controversy over a decision to accept several weeks accommodation at a luxury

property in london. the accommodation was made available by labour donor lord alli and the stay was valued at around £20,000. also, keir defended his decision to accept the offer, saying it was because his son needed somewhere to revise for his gcses. he said the family home was besieged by journalists dunng home was besieged by journalists during the election campaign . during the election campaign. the government has reaffirmed its intention to cut the winter fuel allowance, despite a vote at the labour party conference to reverse the controversial move to save the winter fuel, save the winter fuel, save the winter fuel. the motion was put forward by the unite union, which has accused the government of embarking on austerity. mark two. although the vote is not binding, it does put further pressure on labour over its decision to take away the benefit from millions of pensioners. the police memorial

trust has unveiled a specially commissioned memorial stone dedicated to the memory of metropolitan police sergeant matt ratana . sergeant ratana, matt ratana. sergeant ratana, who was nearing retirement after 30 years service, was shot and killed in a police custody centre in south london four years ago. sergeant ratana's killer, louis de zoysa, is serving life in prison after he managed to smuggle a gun into the custody suite. although officers arrested him on drugs charges and possessing ammunition, they failed to discover the weapon in an underarm holster . phillip underarm holster. phillip schofield is returning to television 16 months after his departure from itv's this morning. the former tv star will appear on the channel five show castaway. the programme's producers released this promotional video as the 62 year old told his followers on

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>> welcome back. time is 439. >> welcome back. time is 439. i'm martin daubney on gb news i'm martin daubney on gb news now. here's a question for you. now. here's a question for you. do you think the labour party is do you think the labour party is taking immigration seriously enough while speaking at the taking immigration seriously enough while speaking at the

labour party conference labour party conference in liverpool yesterday? home secretary yvette cooper insisted her party is serious at being at bringing down net migration, but added that the uk must properly train young people to replace overseas workers. mixed messages once again and to discuss them. let's join now with the former deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib. ben, welcome to the show. so quite simply, do you think the labour party is taking immigration seriously or not? >> no, it was tony blair who? sorry. forgive me. it was tony blair who laid the foundations for mass migration through open our borders. >> he was the one who was free, you know, pro freedom of movement took us, you know, initially into that project with the european union, took down our borders and, successive governments have just compounded his mistake. >> david cameron recognised the problems that, tony blair had, you know, created for the country. he said he would take immigration back. he didn't. >> dodi david cameron was the

heir to blair. >> successive tory governments have been awful, and now we've just gone back to labour roughly with the same agenda with mass migration. the view they take, i think, from an economic perspective, is the more that come, the greater our gdp. the hell with productivity or gdp per capita. the hell with, you know, the undermining of british workers ability to get a decent wage, buy cheap imported labour. to hell with the burden on the pubuc to hell with the burden on the public sector, created by these immigrants. we're going to continue to run this project and will continue to hope against hope that somehow gdp goes up and we all get more prosperous. but we've seen that we're not getting more prosperous . gdp per getting more prosperous. gdp per capha getting more prosperous. gdp per capita has been shrinking over the last ten quarters. it's going to just get worse under under labour. and of course, that's without even beginning to talk about the costs of this mass migration, both economically and of course, very importantly, culturally . you

importantly, culturally. you know, it is the way that we've been practising this is ripping apart the social fabric in this country . country. >> but ben habib, oh, ye of little faith. yvette cooper. border security command has promised to smash the gangs. i mean, they're being serious. they've employed 100 extra lawyers . lawyers. >> yeah, but you don't smash the gangs by sitting in the united kingdom. someone needs to tap starmer and cooper on the shoulder and remind them these gangs are based in europe. some aren't even based in europe. some are based outside europe . some are based outside europe. promoting people into europe, then handing them over into the into the very clearly capable hands of others who then transport them rather seamlessly and easily across borderless europe. never take down your borders. the schengen zone is a stupid idea. marching them across europe to calais. french police are asleep at the wheel. of course they've taken thick end of £1 billion off the british exchequer. why wouldn't they? the more people they send us, the more money we give them.

so we positively reinforced their bad behaviour and they put them on boats, escort them to the point of our territorial waters . border force. is the waters. border force. is the taxi service free? you know , taxi service free? you know, gratis of the british exchequer's expense. we give them a warm blanket, a cup of tea, a kitkat , escort them to tea, a kitkat, escort them to the nearest four star hotel. they're not detained. we give them the benefit of a of a human rights lawyer who will then protect a refusal to accept

reluctance, a refusal to accept that the only way to enforce borders is actually to physically enforce them at the point of entry. >> and benhabib that brings us to the political opportunity . to the political opportunity. rupert lowe, a former colleague of yours , mp for great yarmouth rupert lowe, a former colleague of yours , mp for great yarmouth of yours, mp for great yarmouth for reform, said today that the of yours, mp for great yarmouth for reform, said today that the labour party's failure to take labour party's failure to take immigration seriously will immigration seriously will present a huge opportunity for present a huge opportunity for the reform party. he says that the reform party. he says that the reform party. he says that the red wall will flip to reform the reform party. he says that the red wall will flip to reform at the next election . how much at the next election . how much at the next election. how much faith do you have in that ? at the next election. how much faith do you have in that ? faith do you have in that? >> well, i think i think reform faith do you have in that? >> well, i think i think reform holds the, if you like , the next holds the, if you like , the next holds the, if you like, the next holds the, if you like, the next government in, in its in its government in, in its in its grasp. it's there. it can grasp. it's there. it can definitely make it to being the definitely make it to being the next government. what's critical next government. what's critical is that it stays true to its is that it stays true to its ideology and that it doesn't in ideology and that it doesn't in any way let down the movement any way let down that it's created. the 4.1 million people that have voted for it and the many millions

more, by the way, martin, is

ideology and that it doesn't in any way let do the bedrock of which i see as the bedrock of the party's ability to go forward and deliver what it promises to deliver. it is critical, and it should be self—evident that if reform, as it does, stands for the democratic unit, that is the united kingdom, it itself must be democratic. and the argument made against democratising the party is that it fears that it might be taken over by malign elements. well, there are millions of ways to control that , millions of ways to control that, but still give voice to reform members in order to not just appoint or remove leaders, but, you know, to hold the leadership accountable, to have checks and balances in place . every balances in place. every institution, every organisation, every business, every every entity, in to order perform needs to have its leadership held to account. the same appues held to account. the same applies to reform uk. if it can make that jump, if it can deliver it, then i think it's on to something. my fear is that the document that was presented last week is actually a document

that pretty much i rejected a year and a half ago doesn't do the trick . but of course, that's the trick. but of course, that's in the writing of the document. i've made my views on that very clear. now, what we need to see is, even though i don't think the document is brilliant, let's see how the party leadership works practically on a day to day basis. if it can actually deliver practically, you know, so be it. the written word may not be that good, but if it can do it practically, that's great. >> that sounds like you're very much open to being courted back into the party. ben habib, always a delight to have you on the show. thank you very much. my the show. thank you very much. my old friend. thank you. now moving on. the princess of wales is continuing her slow return to royal duties after meeting with her aides to plan her annual christmas carol service at westminster abbey. magnificent stuff. we'll have that next on martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. time is 451. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. the princess of wales has begun planning her annual christmas carol concert, marking her return to royal duties after chemotherapy. princess catherine held a meeting at windsor castle to discuss the events, which will be broadcast this christmas. as she continues to ease back into public engagements. a wonderful story and i'm joined now by the royal commentator richard fitzwilliams. richard. fantastic stuff. this will be just the kind of royal christmas message we really, really want. and fantastic news about catherine's return. tell us more about this amazing event. >> well, you're absolutely right . >> well, you're absolutely right. >> well, you're absolutely right. >> because together christmas, which is her carol concert. >> it's been an annual since 2021. >> and it was on that occasion that she surprised many by

showing her skills on the piano. >> now it's become an absolutely pivotal part of the royal calendar . and we know because it calendar. and we know because it was in the court circular that she attended a meeting to discuss this at windsor castle. >> it's a second meeting. she's attended in a week. now that in itself is speaking to us. and it's very, very good news because we know because of the recent video message that she is free of cancer and that obviously that will be her particular aim to remain so. >> clearly, that will be the case. but there's no question at all. >> it's marvellous news because she's moving back toward royal duties. that's absolutely clear. and the question is, of course, when will we see her next? >> and, you know, we're all looking forward to seeing her on remembrance day. >> i am sure that that is now a

definite possibility at the cenotaph. >> and subsequently, very definitely for one of the highlights of the year at westminster abbey, which is her concert. >> so, richard, we have a quick 50s here before we have to end this hour . so 50s here before we have to end this hour. so when can we 50s here before we have to end this hour . so when can we expect this hour. so when can we expect any details , for example, of the any details, for example, of the choice of carols? because, i mean, that's what people really want to know. what are the details? when are they going to come out? >> well, i don't know when they will be released. remember, even now , these meetings and these now, these meetings and these details, they're being very, very carefully managed. what we've got is a very, very good news. but there's no doubt, as she made clear in her recent video message, there is still some way to go. and being cancer free is her priority, obviously. so let's hope. and also let's hope we might see her at the albert hall for the festival of remembrance. >> just a thought. >> just a thought. >> thank you. richard, we have to leave it there. thank you very much. it'll be wonderful to

look forward to. now, still to come. stay tuned, because our political editor, chris hope, has an exclusive interview with sir keir starmer. will homes for heroes really put our veterans first? and does he regret that sausages howl? i'm martin daubney on gb news brazier ngannou national weather with aidan mcgivern . aidan mcgivern. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . sponsors of boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news >> hi there. welcome along to the latest update from the met office for gb news. cloudy and wet for many of us through the rest of today, the rain does clear from the south later on as this area of low pressure moves its rain bands north across the uk, clearing to showers in the southwest, whilst brighter skies remain for northern scotland, albeit with here also a few showers as we go into the evening. the main area of rain though, moves through wales into the midlands and then eventually settles upon northern england.

southern scotland and northern ireland. a damp night to come in these areas, whilst showers push back into the south and southwest. some heavy downpours overnight, along with a gusty wind 12 to 13 celsius by dawn in the south, so mild here, but rather chilly as we begin things for northern scotland. a few showers but otherwise bright enough for the far north of scotland. some sunshine around first thing. caithness, sutherland , orkney as well as sutherland, orkney as well as the western isles seeing blue skies but come further south into central belt. it's cloudy, it's damp and the more persistent and heavier rain will be affecting northern ireland and most especially northeast england, where there is the risk of localised flooding. some transport disruption first thing because of 50 to 80mm of rain expected to accumulate through the day. that rain also continuing to affect north wales. parts of the north midlands. but for the southern half of england, as well as south wales, well, there will be some brightness around. but also some brightness around. but also some heavy showers, perhaps even the odd rumble of thunder and some gusty winds along the coast. those winds, though

coming from the southwest, will bnng coming from the southwest, will bring milder air. so where we avoid the showers, temperatures will reach 18 celsius. further north, a cold day to come, particularly under the rain across northern england. then that rain continues into the evening. it does gradually sink south and it becomes heavier for a time through parts of mid wales into the midlands and east anglia. that again could cause some issues . anglia. that again could cause some issues. by anglia. that again could cause some issues . by friday. the some issues. by friday. the rain's clearing away and we'll see a mix of bright spells and showers . saturday and sunday showers. saturday and sunday also look brighter. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb. news >> a very good afternoon to you. it's 5:00 pm and welcome to the martin daubney show here on gb news. we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster and all across the uk. coming up gb news political editor chris hope sat down with the prime minister in new york. we asked

him the questions other others are simply afraid to ask will homes for heroes really put armed forces veterans first? and is it time to stop calling protesters racist? >> prime minister, we're here in new york, but we've come straight from the labour party conference. your homes for heroes announcement has interested gb news viewers. how will you ensure that veterans get priority over, say, asylum seekers? >> well, look, this is a very important commitment that we've made because to many veterans who have you know, given so much to their country , find to their country, find themselves without a roof over their head . so because we've their head. so because we've taken the difficult decisions on planning decisions that were not taken for years, we can guarantee that they will have a roof over their heads. so homes for heroes becomes a reality and not just a slogan ahead of other groups. so importantly, yeah, that will require regulation to be passed to make that priority. but it's not, ahead of all other

groups. this is unlocking, you know, a real step forward on homelessness for many people who are homeless, including, as i was able to announce yesterday, care leavers who are very, very vulnerable and of course, victims of domestic abuse who find themselves without a roof over their head. so yes, it's a very important announcement for veterans. but actually by unlocking and turbocharging the housing, then that allows us to take a big step in relation to homelessness. and i'm very pleased we're able to do it so quickly. >> you want to cut migration? what level on the net legal migration are you comfortable with? under 100,000 a year? >> i'm not going to put a number on it, but it needs to come down. i think anybody looking at the numbers would say that is too high. and what i'm very concerned about is that if you look at apprenticeship starts for certain skills, they've gone down in recent years at the very same time that visas for those same time that visas for those same skills have gone up . same skills have gone up. >> that's employers being lazy, not finding the uk workforce. i think it's a combined responsibility.

>> i think government, employers, businesses, we need to address it. it is not sensible in anybody's book to have apprenticeship starts going down in the uk, only to then have more visas for people coming into the uk. so these are the this is how i do politics, the this is how i do politics, the practical business. how do you get these numbers down. sort your skills. >> so being being practical how will you . how will you will you. how will you understand and show your understanding the concerns that are legitimate about immigration in white working class communities? will you go and despatch angela rayner to speak to people about it? >> well, of course, i mean, we're across the country all the time. i have a i don't know how many discussions with people about immigration and their important discussions because as i said in my conference speech yesterday, i do understand people have legitimate concerns about immigration and we should debate them. and where they say to me, we think there are migration is too high. then i tend to agree with that. and the reason is because among the reasons is because of the skills failure over the last years, and we need to fix that. i think this is a healthy discussion. i

don't think it should be something that we shy away from, but what i won't do is elide that with the thuggery on the streets, because i think people are genuinely concerned about immigration, aren't and should not be worried, are not far right, are they? >> they're not worried. they're not far right individuals. if they were about immigration? >> no, absolutely not. many, many people across the country are concerned about immigration, but they wouldn't for a minute go on to the street and throw a brick at a police officer. and i think it is wrong to pretend or that they are one and the same. they are not. >> your conference in liverpool while we're here has voted against the winter fuel payment cut. so the policy is wrong, isn't it? why are you doing it? well, look, i understand why colleagues in the labour movement feel very strongly about this, conference policy doesn't make government policy. >> and we've had to take a difficult decision because you'll defy them. >> you'll defy the vote. >> you'll defy the vote. >> well, last government left a £22 billion black hole, unaccounted for off the books. we've got to deal with that. that means tough decisions. but the reason that this is so important is we want to and will

stabilise the economy. that means the triple lock is guaranteed, and that means that for pensioners, in addition to the £900 extra, this year, there's £460 next year and so on and so forth throughout the term of a labour government. so that we can say to pensioners, you will be better off with a stable economy, you will be better off with a labour government that stabilises the economy. >> you want to be a serious government, one of purpose and service. so why is your domestic violence minister at the karaoke last night singing hit me baby one more time, i mean, how does that look to pensioners and to veterans worrying about their homes? >> i think the commitment we've made on violence against women and girls is really important, and girls is really important, and i think we should talk more about it, because i dealt with this when i was director of pubuc this when i was director of public prosecutions. and i know and, you know, that only 1 in 10 victims of domestic violence feels confident enough to come forward to report what's happened. we've made a big government commitment, which is to halve violence against women and girls. that is really hard and girls. that is really hard and i'm totally focused on that 24 over seven.

>> but parting labour ministers at the same time as you're preaching a funereal message in your speech yesterday, does that tally? >> well, look, i think in the end, if you're a victim of domestic violence, what you want to know is, is your prime minister is your government absolutely committed to something which will make a material difference? the additional thing there, of course, is that one of the announcements i made yesterday was in relation to victims of domestic abuse and who are homeless. yes. and making sure they've got a roof over their head. >> you want to ban smoking in pub gardens? maybe limit pub opening hours? are we set for five years of nanny state under labour? >> let me deal with the second of those straight away. we are not altering opening hours in pubs so you can go there for us all. when you get back to the uk you can go for last orders as i will from time to time. so let me just put that one back in the box. but on smoking, look, you know, we've got to look across the range at how we reduce deaths from smoking, the imposition and the cost to the nhs, so we're looking at a range of options and we'll obviously

consult on them. yeah. >> in terms of, freebies , if >> in terms of, freebies, if i can call them those things, you need a 20 zero zero £0 flat. so your son could do revision. it makes you look out of touch to many people. a labour mp for south shields, emma lewell—buck, gives her freebies to charity. she gives them away. why won't you give things you've had for free? back to charity or to or to a good cause? well all that happenedisi to a good cause? well all that happened is i wanted somewhere safe and quiet for my son to do his gcse preparation. >> i needed it to be secure because of the situation we were in. no exchange of money. there's nothing to give away. somebody said, well, i'll lend you my place, but it's worth £20,000. yeah, but that, that then what happens is, you know, with declarations is people say, well , i with declarations is people say, well, i know with declarations is people say, well , i know there was no money well, i know there was no money exchange. i know you didn't pay and nobody paid you. there's no money to give elsewhere. but we will sort of not make up. but we will sort of not make up. but we will say, what would be the amount of money should it have been given on a commercial rate, which it wasn't? now, that's a perfectly sort of legitimate way to do it. but, you know, this

isn't there is no money exchange. this is simply, simply somebody saying if you want somewhere quiet for your son to study whilst doing it, you can use this place here. >> yes . and just, just finally >> yes. and just, just finally looking at your record as director of public prosecutions, mohamed al—fayed was not prosecuted for sexual assault against a 15 year old woman. when you were dpp , have you when you were dpp, have you reflected on that? do you want to apologise to the victim? you were ahead of the of the prosecutor's prosecutorial service at the time? >> well, i've not that particular case didn't come across my desk. it was dealt with by senior lawyers within the crown prosecution service and i don't think i certainly haven't had access to the file again , i'm not sure you have. again, i'm not sure you have. so, you know, but an apology from the cps. well, look, having not had access to the file, myself or yourself, then , you myself or yourself, then, you know, we're not in that place. >> sir keir starmer, thanks for joining us on gb news. thank you.thank joining us on gb news. thank you. thank you. >> okay. and that was chris hope with the prime minister. and we'll discuss more on that later. but first let's cross now to new york where sir keir starmer is addressing the un

security council . security council. >> and thank you to our briefers. i want to start by paying briefers. i want to start by paying tribute to those who see these terrible conflicts and walk towards them with no agenda other than helping those in need.the other than helping those in need. the un and the icrc have both lost staff this month in gaza, lebanon and donetsk . more gaza, lebanon and donetsk. more than 200 aid workers have been killed, so far this year, including british citizens. their humanity should illuminate the work of this council because we have heard again today just how dire the situation has become. the security council must deliver its responsibility for global peace and security. so i want to use this meeting to call to action in three key areas .

call to action in three key areas. first, we call to action in three key areas . first, we need to renew areas. first, we need to renew the international consensus on delivering humanitarian support. this should be a bare minimum. yet too often we are falling short . we must address the short. we must address the situation in gaza. the 7th of october was the bloodiest day for the jewish people since the holocaust. i utterly condemn the terrorist actions of hamas. the ordeal of the hostages and their loved ones continues . almost loved ones continues. almost a year later, six of them were killed in cold blood. just a few weeks ago . so i say again, let weeks ago. so i say again, let the hostages go, and we must face up to the humanitarian catastrophe in gaza that continues to deepen by the day. israel must grant humanitarian access to civilians in line with its obligations under international humanitarian law .

international humanitarian law. there can be no more excuses. israel must open more crossings, allow vital life saving aid to flow and provide a safe environment for the un and other humanitarian organisations to operate . the civilian suffering operate. the civilian suffering in gaza is beyond belief. so we have restarted our funding to unrwa. we are supporting uk med to operate their field hospitals and we are supporting unicef to deliver water, health care and specialist treatment for malnourished children. but the most fundamental need is even more basic. they need the fighting to stop. the situation in sudan also demands our urgent attention. millions are facing emergency or famine conditions, exacerbated by deliberate attempts to prevent aid reaching those in need. this is now the

worst humanitarian crisis in the world today, and the worst displacement crisis, with over 10 million people driven from their homes. it also risks destabilising south sudan and chad, which are already suffering their own humanitarian crisis. the uk has doubled its aid for the victims of this to war almost £100 million, but much more is needed. the world must step in. second, i call on the security council to seek political solutions that can break repeated cycles of violence like that in the middle east. the region is on the brink. we need an immediate ceasefire between israel and lebanese hezbollah , and the lebanese hezbollah, and the implementation of a political plan which allows israeli and lebanese civilians to return to their homes, to live in peace and security. that security will come through diplomacy , not

come through diplomacy, not escalation. there is no military solution here, nor is there a military only solution to the conflict in gaza . this council conflict in gaza. this council must demand again an immediate, full and complete ceasefire in gaza with the release of all the hostages. we need a political route to that agreement, which provides a bridge to a better future , a credible and future, a credible and irreversible path towards a viable palestinian state alongside a safe and secure state of israel. that is the only way to provide security and justice for both israelis and palestinians. in june, the uk brought a resolution to this council on the war in sudan , council on the war in sudan, calling for both parties to commit to a ceasefire. i repeat that call today. the warring parties must engage in ceasefire

talks. we support the secretary—general's envoy in his efforts towards peace. we must keep working to bring this to war an end, and we must ensure that those responsible for committing atrocities are held accountable . and this leads me accountable. and this leads me to my third and final point . we to my third and final point. we must ensure accountability for those violating the un charter and this council must recommit to the values it sets out. now, this should go without saying . this should go without saying. yet the greatest violation of the charter in a generation has been committed by one of this council's permanent members . council's permanent members. russia's invasion of ukraine is illegal. it threatens global security. it has caused colossal human suffering. over 35,000 civilians have been killed or injured, 6 million forced to

flee and almost 20 000 ukrainian children forcefully deported. kidnapped. to put it bluntly, i think of yaroslav vasilevich, whose wife and three daughters were killed earlier this month by a russian strike on civilians in lviv. and i wonder how russia can show its face in this building . 600,000 russian building. 600,000 russian soldiers have been killed or wounded in this war. and for what? the un charter , which they what? the un charter, which they sit here to uphold , speaks of sit here to uphold, speaks of human dignity. not treating your own citizens as bits of meat to fling into the grinder. russia's war has triggered a global energy crisis and a global food crisis, causing hunger in the horn of africa. they entered.

they entered into a un brokered black sea grain deal, then withdrew. they tried to block the pact for the future . now the the pact for the future. now the world looks on as russia deepens its military ties with the likes of north korea and iran. there can be no equivocation here. they must be held accountable. aggression cannot pay . borders aggression cannot pay. borders cannot be redrawn by force . cannot be redrawn by force. russia started this illegal war. it must end it and get out of ukraine. we stand with the 89 countries who made clear at the swiss peace summit that ukraine's territorial integrity must be the basis of any just and lasting peace. any process that does not recognise this will only be used as a pretext by russia to regroup and come

again . president in this moment again. president in this moment of deepening conflict, the world looks to this council more than ever to provide leadership for peace, preserve our collective security and protect the most vulnerable. the united kingdom will always play its full part in fulfilling that responsibility. thank you . responsibility. thank you. >> time there in new york. and to discuss what he said, i'm joined by the nato historian and reserve officer, doctor peter caddick—adams, who joins me now in the studio. welcome to the studio, peter. a lot of talk there about the situation in the middle east and of course, in the ukraine. my first question is, did we learn anything new? >> yeah, there was a lot of talk, a lot of range bringing in ukraine as well as the middle east, but no depth. and i mean,

the prime minister really isn't a foreign affairs kind of guy. he, you know, domestic policy is where he's much, much stronger. so a lot of this could have been written a week ago, and there are no sort of fresh insights , are no sort of fresh insights, really, you know, are sending troops to, to the region has been on the cards for a long, long time for an evacuation purpose , and we've we've had as purpose, and we've we've had as much warning as it's possible to give that this kind of sort of situation where the 10,000 uk residents in lebanon would need to move sooner or later, so we've had contingency plans in place for a long, long time. >> and just to reiterate, the 700 british troops are being sent to cyprus to a military base there, long established base, as a way to help citizens from lebanon and the surrounding area evacuate to. there's no implication whatsoever that those troops are going to get involved in any confrontation in the area. >> no one is going to lebanon. they are going to cyprus, where we've got a sovereign base at

akrotiri, we've got royal naval ships there and aircraft, and both of those will be, taking part in the evacuation, and that will ensure the smooth passage of people out of, out of lebanon were the minimum amount of fuss and minimum amount of risk. 1982 was the last time we sent british troops into lebanon, we suffered a lot of casualties. we're not going to repeat that in any way at all. >> and peter, back to you, this speech that keir starmer just gave at the un, any points leapt out to you. >> yeah, i mean i mean he re—emphasised the point that it's a two stage solution. both states need to have a hand in this. and ultimately this rests on politics, not the application of military force . and in that, of military force. and in that, he's absolutely right. there is no end to a ground invasion. just targeting military sites. if beyond that , you can't see a

if beyond that, you can't see a political solution , and that's political solution, and that's what the un generally will have been saying. that's what he's agreeing with, but there's no great sort of insight or depth there beyond that. how that would come about, >> and there was talk again of an immediate ceasefire, the handing back of the hostages. they've been saying that for some time now. the trouble is , some time now. the trouble is, hamas don't seem to be listening. >> yeah. we don't have any. i mean, we don't have any traction as the united kingdom, and that's the problem. so the, you know, the united kingdom's prime minister can go to new york. all he wants and pontificate like this. it's not going to make a slightest scrap of difference on the ground, except he's recorded as saying those words. so it's performative, yeah . totally. perform ative, yeah. totally. sadly, performative, yeah. totally. sadly, we need more depth. we need more insight in, you know , need more insight in, you know, insight into what's going on from , our, our, our commander in from, our, our, our commander in chief, as it were. and we're not we i don't see we've got that.

>> and the primary power here, of course, is the united states . of course, is the united states. >> i'm not sure it is anymore. i think the primary power has sort of drifted in the way of sort of places like dubai , and delhi, places like dubai, and delhi, and other sort of regional capitals who are power brokers. ankara would be another one, a lot of people are sort of talking about, well, are the russians going to take advantage of this situation ? they're not. of this situation? they're not. 25% of the israeli population are russian. there are, a substantial number of russians also in beirut as well. so the russians don't have anything to gain out of this at all. this is purely a middle eastern affair with the israelis sailing as close to the wind as they dare, hezbollah not preparing to back down, but there's a substantial united nations , peacekeeping united nations, peacekeeping force there that everybody's forgetting about. it's10,000 forgetting about. it's 10,000 strong, so they're still in place. they're not they're not going anywhere. so i don't see a major ground invasion. whenever

israel invades, they don't do very well . so it's not world war very well. so it's not world war iii around the corner. there's a lot of newspapers this morning were suggesting it's not full on war at the moment. it's a few israeli planes flitting over beirut, loosing missiles, and causing a lot of casualties, which is getting both sides up and causing huge disruption around the world. and at the un, but that's not full on war. >> excellent analysis. thank you very much for joining >> excellent analysis. thank you very much forjoining us. doctor peter caddick—adams in the studio there. now we'll bring you all the analysis to our exclusive interview with sir keir starmer next. quite a few bombshells have been dropped there. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. your time is 525. i'm martin daubney on gb news and i'm still joined in the studio by the nato historian and the x reserve officer, doctor

peter caddick—adams, who's with me in the studio. we reacted a short while ago to sir keir starmer at the un there in the united nations. but at the top of the hour, you listened in to our exclusive interview with chris hope, with sir keir starmer, and we were putting to him the questions about yesterday's big announcement and an announcement that has to be said caught the eye of a lot of patriots, a lot of veterans, homes for heroes, the notion as it was packaged that armed services veterans, particularly those who are homeless, would be prioritised and given social housing. chris hope, our political editor , said to the political editor, said to the prime minister, sir keir starmer would that mean specifically that veterans were put to the front of a queue? that's the way that i would have interpreted that i would have interpreted that policy. right. and specifically he said , would they specifically he said, would they be ahead of asylum seekers in that queue? the answer was unequivocal. it is not ahead of all of the groups. it is merely it is unlocking a real step forward on homelessness for many

people who are homeless , people who are homeless, including, as i was able to announce yesterday , care leavers announce yesterday, care leavers and survivors of domestic abuse and survivors of domestic abuse and veterans. that says to me, peter, homes for heroes made a great headline, but it's not actually putting armed services veterans to the front of the queue as many thought. what's your take on that ? your take on that? >> he's not doing that at all. homelessness. talking about that . homelessness. talking about that. absolutely brilliant. and you know, a lot of work needs to be done there, but putting our armed forces veterans to the front of the queue the moment you start to unpack that policy and you ask him about the details, what housing, where are they going to be, armed forces, communities? how is this going to happen? it hasn't been thought through, in fact, hasn't been plotted or planned in any way at all. otherwise he would have told us, so this is to my in my interpretation, mere words . in my interpretation, mere words. and worse than that, i mean, what he's done is he's he's

taken lloyd george's same slogan from after the first world war. there will be homes for heroes after the fighting is over at the end of the first world war, from the 1920s. so even 100 years ago, exactly those same words were being used. they are now being reiterated again. lloyd george didn't deliver then. i don't see on the current bafis then. i don't see on the current basis of what the prime minister is saying , that there's anything is saying, that there's anything concrete that is there and deliverable at the moment. >> could i ask you i speak to a lot of veterans. i've been speaking to a lot of them today about this, and they were initially saying, this is great. this is what we've been asking for many, many months, if not years. the notion that tens of thousands of asylum seekers are coming to britain and being prioritised constantly. we heard , prioritised constantly. we heard, well, what about our own homeless? and in particular, what about our armed services homeless veterans who now find themselves on skid row, something which they were crying out to happen? this, we felt,

would address that. it doesn't seem to do that, or at least it seems to offer a solution, a soundbite. but in terms of delivery, they won't be at the front of the queue at all. how do you think that will go down with the veteran community? >> oh, like a lead balloon? i mean, quite obviously, i mean, the at the end of the day, if you are to prepared lay your life down for your country, then when you come home you need some help getting back on your own. two feet, and part of that package is a job and a home to go to , and this is not go to, and this is not addressing that at all, these are just meaningless words at the moment. >> and it's exasperating to hear that, isn't it, because a lot of people will be looking at this policy. as i said, and i certainly was when this was announced yesterday. we covered this live on the show and i was like, wow, to be credit, credit where it's due. that's fantastic. precisely the kind of thing people were crying out for. and then when you pull the bonnet up and even upon the

first casual cross—examination, it seems to not be delivering on the key directive. and that is you should be prioritised, you should having served your country, surely be ahead of somebody who came here illegally on a dinghy. >> i think what's what's disappointing is labour has had so long in opposition to get their act together, and particularly under, starmer. and so this he hasn't had just a few weeks or months to put together policies. he's had years and years of think tanks and advisers and focus groups to come up with these ideas and to be as nebulous as he is , you be as nebulous as he is, you know, just weeks into a new administration, is incredibly disappointing for the armed forces community. they really are, because, you know, in today's world, you the offer needs to be as good as possible, and, you know, the armed forces are being stretched enough as it is. but when they leave at the

end, you need to feel that they're being looked after with open arms and being given this priority of housing, jobs and all the rest of it. and these words don't take us any further forward at all. >> peter , isn't there something >> peter, isn't there something worse that could happen here? and that is a sense of betrayal, of being offered priority treatment , of being offered priority treatment, being offered what they deserve, what they absolutely deserve. we get thousands and thousands of messages gb news all the time. why aren't veterans treated with more respect? finally, yesterday it appeared that that was happening . now it seems there's happening. now it seems there's no priority treatment. you'll be in the same bracket as domestic abuse survivors, the same bracket as those who care workers. you won't be put ahead ahead of the queue of asylum seekers. the sense of betrayal could be massive. >> well, that's what happened in the 1920s. and the veterans became very politically active, so what we don't want is history repeating itself. i mean, he's he's now got the chance to sort of double back and say ,

of double back and say, actually, i did mean to put veterans at the top of the queue. so here's the challenge, because at the moment that's what he hasn't done. it's just a catchphrase. what we need is, is something far more concrete than we've been given because, i mean , we've been given because, i mean, this is where's where's the phrase come from? help for heroes, which did wonders for our armed forces and gave them a real sense of self—respect, so the alliteration is exactly the same, but there's nothing in it at the moment. and therefore it's pretty pointless to start waving this banner around if it hasn't been thought through . hasn't been thought through. >> and, peter, many, many people will just be scratching their heads and thinking, how is it beyond the government to establish several thousand houses for veterans when they've established hotels and accommodation for tens of thousands of illegal asylum seekers? how can they not do it? >> well, we've already talked. i mean, they've already talked about bringing in, you know , about bringing in, you know, ramping up the number of homes

to be built . so surely there to be built. so surely there should be an adjunct of that, and rather than tagging, homes for heroes onto homelessness, you know, this is a completely different agenda. and, you know, i say again, you know , when the i say again, you know, when the armed forces are different, when you sign on, you sign this blank cheque of unlimited liability that possibly involves you laying your life down for your country, and you need something at the other end that's going to deliver. and this isn't it . deliver. and this isn't it. >> thank you very much for those sobering words. that's doctor peter caddick—adams. thank you very much for joining peter caddick—adams. thank you very much forjoining me in the studio . there's lots more still studio. there's lots more still to come between now and 6:00, including sir keir starmer has racked up 65,000 air miles since becoming prime minister. will this undermine his quest to hit that beloved net zero target? but first, here's your headlines. and it's mark.

but first, here's your headlines. and it's mark . white. headlines. and it's mark. white. >> good evening. it's 533. the main headlines from the gb news centre, the prime minister has told british nationals in lebanon to leave immediately as around 700 uk troops are deployed to cyprus. sir keir starmer's warning comes as the israeli military confirmed it was now preparing for a possible ground invasion against the hezbollah terror group in lebanon, a very important message for british nationals in lebanon , which is the time to lebanon, which is the time to leave, is now. >> the contingency plans are being ramped up, but don't wait for those. there are still commercial flights. it's very important that they hear my message, which is to leave to and leave immediately. >> as well. warning sirens sounded in tel aviv this morning

as a missile was intercepted by air defence systems after it was detected crossing from lebanon . detected crossing from lebanon. hezbollah has confirmed it launched a missile targeting mossad headquarters . it claims mossad headquarters. it claims the intelligence agency is responsible for assassinating leaders and blowing up pagers and walkie talkies in lebanon . and walkie talkies in lebanon. the prime minister is at the centre of fresh controversy over a decision to accept several weeks accommodation at a luxury property in london. the accommodation was made available by labour donor lord alli and the stay was valued at around £20,000. sir keir defended his decision to accept the offer, saying it was because his son needed somewhere to revise for his gcses. he said the family home was besieged by journalists dunng home was besieged by journalists during the election campaign . during the election campaign. detectives investigating the attempted abduction of a baby on

attempted abduction of a baby on a train in nottinghamshire have released an image of their prime suspect. british transport police say the man grabbed the baby girl from her mother's arms and took off down the carriage as the northern train service approached worksop station. a relative managed to grab the baby back from the man. the attempted abduction happened in august, but police have now released the image as other inquiries have been unable to identify the suspect . the identify the suspect. the government has reaffirmed its intention to cut the winter fuel allowance, despite a vote at the labour party conference to reverse the controversial move to save the winter fuel , save to save the winter fuel, save the winter fuel, save the winter fuel. the motion was put forward by the unite union, which has accused the government of embarking on austerity. mark two. although the vote is not binding, it does put further pressure on labour over its

decision to take away the benefit from millions of pensioners . phillip schofield is pensioners. phillip schofield is returning to the television 16 months after his departure from itv's this morning. the former tv star will appear on the channel five show castaway. the programme's producers released this promotional video , as the this promotional video, as the 62 year old told his followers on instagram now you know how i spent my summer alone for ten days? no food, no water, no crew? well. schofield resigned from itv last may after he admitted an affair with a younger male colleague . there younger male colleague. there younger male colleague. there you go. you right up to date. we'll have more news for you at 6:00. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

forward slash alerts. >> nick gibb mark white. if that wasn't good enough, it's now my favourite part of the show. i'm joined by michelle dewberry, the queen of prime time political debate. of course. dewbs& co 617 jubes. what's on your menu ? jubes. what's on your menu? >> are we prioritising that over the end when it comes to patient safety in the nhs? >> is it all too big now this whole nhs? >> has it all gone too far? >> has it all gone too far? >> can it be reformed or not? and i also want to look into this whole notion actually, of your bank accounts. how transparent should they be if people suspect that you have been up to no good? i've got peter hitchens and aaron bastani keeping me company. expect lots of feisty debates and always up to no good on your show. >> michelle dewberry. that's why it's amazing. that's superb. dewbs& co 6 to 7. right after this. stay tuned. thank you. now

stay tuned as we'll bring you a veteran's reaction to sir keir starmer's exclusively telling gb news that he cannot guarantee the veterans will be put ahead of asylum seekers in housing waiting lists. astonishing revelation that's

next. it's a ghost . welcome back. it's it's a ghost. welcome back. it's 541 on martin daubney on gb news. now some breaking news to bnng news. now some breaking news to bring you now. the daily mirror is reporting that 37 prisoners jailed for breaching restraining orders have been wrongly released under the government's emergency scheme to free up space wrongly released , and five space wrongly released, and five prisoners have not yet been returned to jail. but the remainder have been brought back into custody. a ministry of justice spokeswoman says we are working with the police to urgently return a very small number of offenders who were charged incorrectly and sentenced under repealed

legislation into custody. there we go. more cons on the loose mistakenly released. but don't worry, it's only a very small number of them . now, sir keir number of them. now, sir keir starmer has exclusively told gb news that he cannot guarantee that veterans will not be put ahead of asylum seekers on housing, waiting lists. let's cross now to our political edhon cross now to our political editor, chris hope , in new york editor, chris hope, in new york for some analysis on that fantastic exclusive. chris, are we there ? we there? >> martin. yeah. hi. welcome back to new york city, where sir keir starmer, as you've seen on our channel, has been speaking to the un security council. but he did sit down with gb news to answer the questions which our viewers and listeners want to hear about. and we do know from your inbox, martin, how people welcomed, of course, the support for veterans getting veterans into front of the housing queue. they're doing that by removing the right to have to prove you have a link to an area to get onto that list. but the concern

is we're seeing in our inbox , is we're seeing in our inbox, aren't we? is will veterans go ahead of illegally arrived migrants? and sir keir starmer couldn't say that. he did say there would be some legislation to make this happen, but prioritising it over other groups he couldn't guarantee and that will be a worry for some veterans. >> well, more than a worry, chris. it seemed yesterday when that policy was announced , we that policy was announced, we covered it live on the show. we were very, very excited. in fact, relieved, like, wow, this is a great policy. it will appeal to patriots. it will appeal to patriots. it will appeal to patriots. it will appeal to the red wall. it will certainly appeal to gb news viewers and for sure as mustard it will appeal. it will appeal to armed services veterans. it seemed a long last one of the long standing exasperations of the veteran community. they felt they weren't being treated with respect. they weren't being treated with the same respect, in fact, as people who come here illegally on dinghies. a key question was will they jump the queue? it's a straightforward question and a straightforward answer. chris hope the prime minister couldn't guarantee that.is minister couldn't guarantee that. is that a betrayal? >> he said he he said not over

all other groups, but they're trying to unlock the issue and get people off off the streets if they're veterans and victims of domestic violence. so you can move somewhere else and not have to prove you've got a link to that area , well, clearly they that area, well, clearly they they will try. we're making the point to them on gb news. but as things stand, the pm couldn't guarantee that. but also martin also elsewhere in the interview, i was struck by the language on immigration saying quite clearly, absolutely not. it's not a far right issue to be worried about immigration in your area. he talked. we asked him, will you go out and push out angela rayner, other ministers into other parts of the country to understand that concern we see in our basket of gb news? and he seemed open to the idea of that . so maybe, just the idea of that. so maybe, just maybe, they're starting to listen to the concerns of gb news viewers. martin >> and you also asked in that interview an excellent interview about would there be an engagement with white working class communities around the country, something we talk about

a lot on the show we saw post 2011, the black riots in tottenham. the political landscape was very keen to understand the underlying social causes. there hasn't been that conversation so far about the riots across the northern parts of england. do you think keir starmer said to you that he is in the mood to kick start that conversation now ? conversation now? >> i think he is. i think he did seem open to it. i mean, what was surprising was that that kind of almost a hand, a hand reached out by government towards those communities. he says to us, he did understand that people have legitimate concerns about immigration, and we should debate with them. and he said he also understands that migration is too high. he tends to agree with that. we know it's coming down because of measures taken by the last tory government. but what he wouldn't do, what is crucial, i think, in assessing the success of this government in tackling net migration and illegal migration. but the biggest one is net migration. he wouldn't give us a level a cap with that level. that level is set. he knows the

problems of putting numbers on that figure when you can't really control it . but the point really control it. but the point about brexit is he was given back that control in that vote by voters in 2016. the tory government was a failure. was not to use those powers. why can't labour okay, chris. >> oh , excellent. they're asking >> oh, excellent. they're asking the questions the others fear to ask . that's the questions the others fear to ask. that's chris hope the questions the others fear to ask . that's chris hope there ask. that's chris hope there live in new york. thank you very much. great story. back to you again for more analysis later in the evening. now still to come between now and 6 pm, i'll be joined in the studio and by an army veteran and ask him what he makes of the fact that keir starmer cannot guarantee that veterans will not be put ahead of asylum seekers on those housing waiting lists. you will not miss his reaction. i'm martin daubney on gb news. britain's

news welcome back. it's 10 to 6 now for some welcome back. it's 10 to 6 now for some immediate and visceral reaction immediate and visceral reaction to sir keir starmer telling gb to sir keir starmer telling gb

news exclusively that the veterans will not be prioritised on housing lists, they will not be put ahead even of asylum seekers. i'm joined by the army veteran shaun johnson. shaun, you overheard that interview there and i just want to get your immediate kind of emotional response to the fact that, you know, yesterday homes for heroes said it promised the notion that veterans would be put first. today, they're not even being put ahead of asylum seekers and never was, never was. >> am i shocked? >> am i shocked? >> no, because this has been

some, some, >> and i'll give you some, some, some examples of that. >> martin. yeah >> martin. yeah >> go on. so the kinds of people that kind of former servicemen that kind of former servicemen that you work with, the kind of situations they get and get themselves involved. are you telling me some of their stories and why they need help? >> yeah, because when i left the military, the last thing you ever worried about was where you were going to live. >> it was the last thing on your mind. >> and i came out through an injury, and. >> and i was quite fortunate. >> and i was quite fortunate. >> i connected well and i had some good support network around me, but some people don't. and i was in hyde park a good few years ago, and somebody called out, johnno, my old military nickname. and i thought, i haven't heard that for a couple of years . i turn around in hyde of years. i turn around in hyde park and there's a chap standing there. >> couldn't have been more dishevelled. >> if you tried to. if you try to cast him in a movie, he was at his worst. i looked beyond him and then i turned around. he called me again. now it was a guy called petal. i won't use his full name, but he he i served with him in the military. he was the smartest chap you

could ever imagine. and now here he was, standing with a bag of. i don't know what was in the bag. he stank and he was all over the place, but he had a smile on his face, and i took him in for to my to my back home. and i got him cleaned up and the stench was awful. but i couldn't understand why mick had gone from that to this, where he'd lost absolutely everything until he unravelled. and now i do a lot of work. i do a lot of work in certain areas. i've made a film about homelessness. i'm on a youtube channel called on parade uk. we interview veterans all the time and i work for a fantastic military charity, the poppy fantastic military charity, the poppy factory, and i work with veterans every single day across the whole of the uk . and one of the whole of the uk. and one of the whole of the uk. and one of the main questions we ask is what's their homeless situation? do they need support and a lot of our guys do, so we have to point them in the right direction and try and get them embedded into the local community the best we can through our our expertise.

>> can i ask you this announcement promised the world yesterday. today it seems to have failed to deliver any concrete prioritisation for veterans. how does that make you feel and how will that make the armed services community feel well , let's look at the well, let's look at the situation now. >> i've just i've just rolled in a few miles away to the studios. a lot's going on. we're sending 700 troops out to cyprus . biden 700 troops out to cyprus. biden is on about some breaking news. and then of course, now you've got the situation. now where people want to join the armed forces at their young ages. now, how are they going to join the armed forces if there's all this talks going on that they might, when they come out of it, whatever their time is, they've got nowhere to live. so it's quite it's quite disappointing, like i said to you , martin, it's like i said to you, martin, it's not a surprise. it's not surprise. >> sean johnson, thank you very much for joining >> sean johnson, thank you very much forjoining us. a terrible much for joining us. a terrible situation there. thanks for your reaction. that's all from me for now. dewbs& co is up next. i'll be back at 7:00 tonight. i'm covering for nigel farage. we're

sure to be talking about this situation again, that's for sure. in that exclusive today , sure. in that exclusive today, the armed services veterans no doubt will be very, very disappointed by homes for heroes promise in the world yesterday. and today, perhaps failing to deliver. i'm martin daubney. this is gb news. now it's time for your weather. and here's aidan mcgivern. thanks mate . aidan mcgivern. thanks mate. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hi there! welcome along to the latest update from the met office for gb news. cloudy and wet for many of us through the rest of today, the rain does clear from the south later on as this area of low pressure moves its rain bands north across the uk, clearing to showers in the southwest , whilst brighter skies southwest, whilst brighter skies remain for northern scotland ,

remain for northern scotland, albeit with here also a few showers as we go into the evening. the main area of rain though, moves through wales into the midlands and then eventually settles upon northern england, southern scotland and northern ireland. a damp night to come in these areas, whilst showers push back into the south and southwest. some heavy downpours overnight along with a gusty wind 12 to 13 celsius by dawn in the south. so mild here but rather chilly as we begin things for northern scotland. a few showers but otherwise bright enough for the far north of scotland. some sunshine around first thing. caithness, sutherland, orkney as well as the western isles seeing blue skies but come further south into central belt. it's cloudy, it's damp and the more persistent and heavier rain will be affecting northern ireland and most especially northeast england, where there is the risk of localised flooding and transport disruption. first thing because of 50 to 80mm of rain expected to accumulate through the day. that rain also continuing to affect north wales, parts of the north midlands. but for the southern

half of england, as well as south wales , well, there will be south wales, well, there will be some brightness around, but also some brightness around, but also some heavy showers , perhaps even some heavy showers, perhaps even the odd rumble of thunder and some gusty winds along the coast. those winds, though coming from the southwest, will bnng coming from the southwest, will bring milder air. so where we avoid the showers, temperatures will reach 18 celsius further north. a cold day to come, particularly under the rain across northern england . then across northern england. then that rain continues into the evening. it does gradually sink south and it becomes heavier for a time through parts of mid wales into the midlands and east anglia. that again could cause some issues. by friday, the rain's clearing away and we'll see a mix of bright spells and showers. saturday and sunday also look brighter . also look brighter. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb

as were released, who shouldn't have been a mistake, if you will. and get this, we've got no idea where some of them even are. oh, well, let's look on the bright side. at least people who tweeted stupid, silly things are behind bars? and speaking of keir starmer, right? the freebie fiasco continues. we've seen now though, that the unions at the labour conference have massively voted against the winter allowance, the fuel allowance at conference. but simply, will it make a blind bit of difference? do you reckon it will? do you reckon it should? and look, let's all face it, we all agree that benefit fraud is bad. but what's the solution then? is it to allow officials the ability to allow officials the ability to snoop on your bank accounts? is this a common sense or a breach of civil liberties? also, has protecting the reputation of the nhs been put above

protecting patients