good evening to you. >> a very good evening to you. it's wednesday the 25th of september. i'm martin daubney covering for nigel farage now just a day after the prime minister promised he would house all military veterans in need, he admitted in an interview early today with gb news political editor christopher hope that he could not guarantee that asylum seekers would not take priority in the housing queue. veterans once again betrayed and a shocking story that's been broken within the last few hours. 37 prisoners have been wrongly released and the labour's prisoner release scheme, with five still yet to be put back behind bars. and france has joined germany's bid to get tough on migration. but its interior ministers are blaming brexit, of course, for the small boats crisis and are urging the uk to sign up to an eu asylum deal. all of that to come. but first, here's your news and here's mark white.

>> good evening to you. the main headunes >> good evening to you. the main headlines from the gb news centre . and we begin with that centre. and we begin with that breaking news that martin mentioned at the top of his show. dozens of prisoners have been freed from jail under the government's emergency release programme. re released mistakenly, according to a source at the ministry of justice, confirming that 37 people were released mistakenly on the 10th of september because their offences were wrongly logged. this meant these cases supped logged. this meant these cases slipped through the safeguards which are there to ensure those convicted of certain types of crime would not be released. now, most of those freed by mistake, we're told, have now been returned to custody. but five prisoners are still at large . this evening, the prime large. this evening, the prime minister has told gb news there

are legitimate concerns over migration levels. sir keir said he tended to agree that those levels were too high. but he told our political editor , told our political editor, christopher hope, that those concerns were no excuse for violence. >> you understand people have legitimate concerns about immigration and we should debate them. and where they say to me, we think there are migration is too high. then i tend to agree with that. and the reason is because among the reasons is because among the reasons is because of the skills failure over the last years. and we need to fix that. many, many people across the country are concerned about immigration, but they wouldn't for a minute go on to the street and throw a brick at a police officer. and i think it is wrong to pretend or that they are one and the same. they are not. >> the prime minister was speaking ahead of his speech to the united nations, where he called for british nationals in lebanon to leave immediately. the prime minister said 700 additional uk troops , aircraft

additional uk troops, aircraft and ships were on standby in cyprus to evacuate britons if necessary . as well, warning necessary. as well, warning sirens sounded in tel aviv this morning as a missile was intercepted by air defence systems after it was detected crossing from lebanon. hezbollah says that the launch of the missile targeted mossad headquarters. it claims the intelligence agency is responsible for assassinating leaders and for the massive petrol bomb attacks in lebanon. last week . the prime minister is last week. the prime minister is at the centre of fresh controversy over a decision to accept several weeks accommodation at a luxury property in london. the accommodation was made available by labour donor lord alli, and the stay was valued at around £20,000. sir keir defended his

decision to accept the offer , decision to accept the offer, saying it was because his son needed somewhere to revise for his gcses. he said the family home was besieged by journalists dunng home was besieged by journalists during the election campaign . during the election campaign. phillip schofield is returning to television 16 months after his departure from itv's this morning. the former tv star will appear on the channel five show castaway. the programme's producers released a promotional video as the 62 year old told his followers on instagram he'd spent ten days alone on a desert island. schofield resigned from itv last may after he admitted an affair with a younger male colleague . those are the latest colleague. those are the latest headunes colleague. those are the latest headlines from the gb news centre. we'll have more for you in an hour. >> now back to martin daubney for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning

the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. forward slash alerts . gbnews.com. forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much. mark wyatt's now. welcome to farage with me martin daubney covering for the big man himself, nigel farage tonight. now earlier today, our political editor, christopher hope, sat down with sir keir starmer, the prime minister, following his first party conference as pm. a conference laden with policy announcements and promises. and just 24 hours after his maiden speech at his first party conference as prime minister. sir keir starmer is already treading a crack on a splintering promise. yesterday, sir keir promised military veterans in need that he would put a roof over their heads. let's take a listen. >> we will repay those who served us and house all veterans in housing need. homes will be there for heroes. >> but today the prime minister

known of course, as sir flip flop , refused to say whether the flop, refused to say whether the veterans who fought for this country should be prioritised for council housing over asylum seekers. >> this is a very important commitment that we've made because too many veterans who have, you know, given so much to their country, find themselves without a roof over their head. so because we've taken the difficult decisions on planning decisions that were not taken for years, we can guarantee that they will have a roof over their heads. but it's not ahead of all other groups. this is unlocking, you know, a real step forward on homelessness for many people who are homeless . are homeless. >> well, join now is our political editor, chris hope, all the way from new york. you've been there with sir keir starmer, of course, at the united nations earlier on today, chris, thank you for joining united nations earlier on today, chris, thank you forjoining us chris, thank you for joining us on the show. so yesterday it was a standout policy , certainly for a standout policy, certainly for gb news viewers, for patriots,

for brexiteers, for the red wall who may have lent their vote to the labour party in the last general election. homes for heroes. wow. at last. yes. let's get veterans to the front of the queue. except when you put that precise question to the prime minister today, chris hope. it appears it wasn't the case at all. >> that's right. martin, welcome again to the banks of the river hudson here in new york city. a few hundred feet away from me. right now, sir keir starmer has been meeting with world leaders. his battle, you know, 24 hours after facing his down, his his members and supporters over the winter fuel payment being removed from next from november , removed from next from november, he is now here trying to sort out a degree of issues on the world stage, notably evacuating britons immediately from lebanon, where fighting between hezbollah fighters and israelis is getting worse and worse, and then looking towards ukraine and russia, where zelenskyy is here, the ukrainian president, he's got his own idea to try and win

that war with russia, but he needs uk us the west's support. so big issues in his in—tray. that's what you sign up to when you're when you're a prime minister. but back in the uk yesterday, he set out that plan about veterans. he said to us that they would be at the front of the queue, along with victims of the queue, along with victims of domestic violence in fact, when we when pressed hard on that, he said it wasn't quite clear. if you have a if you would prefer veterans say over illegally arrived migrants here or even asylum seekers. so we'll wait and see the detail of that. but right now he can't guarantee that. and that's a big concern. i think, for veterans contacting gb news today. >> well, it's more than a big concern, chris. i've been speaking with him throughout my show earlier on. they feel betrayed by this. they were dangled the prospect of at last being listened to, last being prioritised. and when you specifically pushed sir keir starmer on this, he could not guarantee that somebody arriving here illegally via a dinghy wouldn't be leapfrogged by a veteran. surely homes for heroes means homes for heroes, not

homes for illegal asylum seekers . homes for illegal asylum seekers. >> well, the groups they're helping is not just veterans, but also domestic violence victims. currently, martin, the rules are that you have to have a link to an area to get on to a housing waiting list. that link is removed in certain key areas for veterans, as i say, for and those victims of domestic violence. and we said, well, what about those on the list for the asylum seeker list? and he couldn't say that they'd be guaranteed. that would be more than certain groups. he said there'll be requirements to, to, to make it a priority, but it's not ahead of other all other groups. so we'll look at the detail of that and come back to gb news viewers. but on a wider point, martin, i was struck by the fact the pm said he recognised that being concerned about migration, immigration, legal immigration is not a far right issue. in fact , absolutely right issue. in fact, absolutely not a far right issue, which is something which gb news viewers and listeners have been saying to for us months now on the channel. they get frustrated. they are seen by the left as

people who are right wing or far right. whatever you might call it, when actually all they're concerned about is issues of immigration, the pressure on pubuc immigration, the pressure on public services. so are we seeing a gear change, a step change from this government and are they listening more to gb news and its concerns? it's one to watch. >> well, that could be another nickname. it's a new gear, keir. it's a new gear for gb news because let's face it, on the stage yesterday he was saying that these are thugs, that it was criminality. it was racism echoed by yvette cooper. and then you spoke to yvette cooper straight afterwards. oh no, no, no, they're not actually far right. it's not that. and then sir keir starmer again said that to you today. they need to make their minds up. chris and i also put it to you to ask sir keir starmer, are you to prepared engage with the communities in the seven most deprived towns across england where those riots happened, as you did post 2011, in tottenham, when you spoke to the black community, are you prepared to go into receiver mode and listen to those people about their frustrations? what did the prime minister say to

you about that ? you about that? >> he said, we always engage. and i said to him, well, why not angela rayner? she's a community secretary. she's ideal to do that kind of thing. it's happenedin that kind of thing. it's happened in the past. he said, yes, we're always engaging, always listening. he recognises net migration is too high. he may not agree with what he's being told, but at least he's talking to people. and i think that may take some of the of the concerns that we saw in in the in august. people feel they are being listened to and that will being listened to and that will be a start. but there was some good news, martin, in that your pint of beer after your your your epic shifts, you put in for gb, it will not be banning last orders. they will be allowed the hours locals are open and will not be rushed back. as part of this increasing nanny state version we're seeing from this government. but smoking in the garden, smoking in beer garden that is. garden, smoking in beer garden thatis.i garden, smoking in beer garden that is. i think. >> okay chris, i think we're going to have to leave you

there. i think your, your internet service has gone swimming with the fishes, like so many other bad guys in that river. hudson before you. thank you chris. now join me back in the studios. my excellent panel. it's former conservative mp and the chancellor of the exchequer, kwasi kwarteng, and the former labour minister denis macshane. gentlemen, welcome very much. thank you very much to the studio. kwasi, let's start with you . there's nothing worse, is you. there's nothing worse, is there not policy wise , than there not policy wise, than dangung there not policy wise, than dangling a carrot, something that people are thinking, wow . that people are thinking, wow. yes. like a desert needs the rain. veterans want to feel listened to. and today, after a cursory probe, it seems all is not the case after all. so, look, i understand why he did this, but it's not. it doesn't fill one with confidence. when you were in the conference hall and i've done this, you do a speech, you're speaking to your base. and as he as you saw when he mentioned the very attractive and positive policy about veterans, he got a standing ovation. all the ministers yvette cooper dutifully stood up.and yvette cooper dutifully stood up. and then, in the cold light of day, he couldn't make that

guarantee. and i'll tell you why he can't. a lot of the, provision for asylum seekers is deau provision for asylum seekers is dealt with on a local council basis, so he can't actually over promise. he couldn't guarantee. and he's very loyally and very fastidious about this. he couldn't guarantee that they wouldn't house asylum seekers, because a lot of those decisions are done on a local level. so that's why you get this disjuncture you get this difference. so why between one place? that's the thing. i mean, you know, and he's not the first prime minister to do this, but he was literally playing to the crowd and i'm afraid he said something that he couldn't deliver on because he can't guarantee. and he was that's why he couldn't guarantee it today because it's all very well for him in the conference hall to say, you know, how's this for veterans? everyone will get, you know, a roof over their head. but in reality, given the way local government works, given the way that government works generally, he couldn't guarantee that. and that's why i'm afraid he essentially misled people. denis macshane it's an over

promise . and that's the best way promise. and that's the best way of dressing this up. i had a veteran in the studio earlier on, he said he feels utterly betrayed by this, to have dangled this out there and then said, actually, you won't be in front of an asylum seeker, potentially, because we can't guarantee that we haven't quite checked with local authorities is an utter failure of policy. why dangle it out there if you know you can't deliver it, why not go with a fully gift wrapped package? yes, veterans will be at the front of the queue. that's what the nation wanted to hean >> you're a veteran. you had in. and i listened to it yesterday and i was a bit taken aback as a labour historian because homes for heroes is what lloyd george promised tonight, or quasi is a great intellectual. in 1918 i thought, my god , where have they thought, my god, where have they dredged this up from? you have got in london today, just walking around victoria, coming down here homeless people begging on the streets. that is the inheritance for the 14 years of tory rule. we've not built

council houses, we've not built social houses . and i can imagine social houses. and i can imagine every mother who'd been booted out of her house by a violent, attacking partner looking after her children in dingy accommodation and suddenly, here's the prime minister announcing you get to the back of the queue because i've got somebody else i want in the front of the queue. i don't know if your veteran was actually a homeless veteran. >> he deals with many, many homeless. >> he deals with. okay, so his job is to try and find them. so he's an advocate. well that's fair enough. now i agree i mean we need so much more to do on housing and wait and see. wait and see when we force through or the labour government starts to force through obliging councils to start building councils. quasi was there . i was there in quasi was there. i was there in my own constituency 20 years ago. suddenly you want to put up new social housing, any kind of housing in rough scrubland. and my surgery was full of very slightly large ex—steel workers

ex—miners wearing t shirts saying proud to be a nimby. >> well, look, i agree with a lot of what you say. >> i agree with that too. i don't know where the homes. i'm surprised the homes for heroes was a very odd thing because as you say, i agree. >> lord george said that when we had a million soldiers, more than a million soldiers coming back after the first world war, so who had the bright idea in the labour party to resurrect that phrase? and why did why it was misleading? >> why did sir keir, who to put it mildly, is not a man given to lyrical rhetoric? why on earth, he offered that out? i just don't know. >> i think it was a misjudgement and i've been there. i mean, i've given speeches. it was a mistake. it was. and you're trying to rouse up your base if you don't play around with veterans, they're not a pawn in a chess game. and i think it was a chess game. and i think it was a political move that he did yesterday, and he quickly realised that he couldn't deliver on it. he can't guarantee what you know, the phrase, the phrase homes fit for heroes. he can't do that. but

the numbers themselves are stark. so it's about 2300 households in england are owed a homeless duty, with a former member of the armed forces associated with their family, 12,000 illegal immigrants have come over the channel since sir keir starmer has been made prime minister. they will all be guaranteed to get home housing. it's a question of priorities. keir starmer has got his priorities wrong for a second. >> i mean, i did a lovely interview about two years ago with patrick christie, a great interviewer, and he went down to datchet, which is down the thames, and there was an asylum seeker hostel there, and he interviewed an officer from, i think, the eritrean army who'd fled for his life. otherwise he'd been killed and he'd stayed in ethiopia. you understand that? kwasi he arrived when theresa may was home secretary and here he was in 2022 or 2023. he still hadn't been interviewed. and that's the problem that you've now got to say. what? you must be very careful on. if a nurse comes in

and she's working in a hospital as an illegal migrant for heroes, you know, veterans, that's where it went wrong. that's where i agree, because we've got these chronic use lloyd george cliches. >> and so he came in. he did it was it was a populist pitch. he saw all the frontbench like sort of machines like jack in the box rising up as one, thinking this was marvellous. and then within 24 hours he couldn't deliver on it. and that's the problem. thank you very much, gentlemen. we'll come back to the studio for more soon now. up next, some truly shocking stuff. 37 prisoners have been wrongly released in labour's prisoner released in labour's prisoner release scheme, with five of them still at large after their offences were wrongly logged. another disaster for the labour party.

next. welcome back to farage with me. martin daubney covering for the

big man, nigel farage. now earlier this month, thousands of prisoners were released in the prime minister's early release scheme, which aims to ease prison overcrowding. but within the last few hours , it's been the last few hours, it's been reported that 37 prisoners jailed for breaching restraining orders were wrongly released under a system error, with five of them still presently at large. sources at the ministry of justice have said that the prisoners offences were logged under outdated legislation prior to the early release scheme. of course, the domestic abuse commissioner said that victims were having sleepless nights as a result of this labour party policy, but the government reassured the public that offenders convicted under domestic violence related crimes would not be released. but of course, that has just mistakenly happened. well, i'm still joined in the studio by my panel. there's a former conservative mp and the chancellor of the exchequer, kwasi kwarteng, and the former labour minister, denis macshane. denis. this time, i'll start with you. it

never rains, but it pours. i don't mean the weather in liverpool. i mean policy wise for the labour party. this is another absolute disaster. early release, the optics of those guys smoking spliffs having champagne outside prisons was bad enough. now these are specific categories of criminals. we are guaranteed by the government would not be released . 37 let out, five of released. 37 let out, five of them still at large. another terrible day. >> yep. i don't want to think it's that, you know that . mega. it's that, you know that. mega. it's a problem. and frankly, the court authorities applied a law from 1998 that was completely overtaken by new release law. i think about 2 or 3 years ago passed. indeed, under the conservative administration. and that's just sheer incompetence. now it's on the government's watch, the idea it's the labour party. we're sort of not releasing or we're releasing them is just daft. the real problem, again, is the

conservatives sent everybody to prison but didn't build enough prisons. >> blame the tories for this. >> blame the tories for this. >> oh well, hang on a second. hang on a second. this is the trouble. the released. i mean, it's astonishing. i don't think any country in the world is proportionately releasing quite as many prisoners as this government's been obliged to, because if he wants to put anybody else in, i mean, serious criminals, then the prisons are full. now, did you hear sir keir say you should welcome the idea of new prisons in your community? this is what we're going to do. cover britain with prisons. because frankly, our judges, we said 4 or 5 times as many prisoners as france, italy, germany combined. we've put women in particular into prison for non—violent crime, not paying for non—violent crime, not paying their bbc licence fee. that's got thugs in the bbc, that's got nothing. you know, there are 37 men. i think it was. men have been released when they should not have been, because some bureaucrat, low

should not have been, because some bureaucrat , low level some bureaucrat, low level bureaucrat, they say the home office is where every minister goes to his instant death. and it's been proved again. i hope a minister now could be. >> well, it's the justice. it's the justice department. >> it's the justice. >> it's the justice. >> just before we go on, we don't know that they're all men, most likely. or there may be some women in. 95% of prisoners are men, i think, or 90%. kwasi over to you. so, look, i think, you know, trying to be fair. yes, there was a prison issue we should have built more prisons. there were constraints on the budget. but let's not forget, this is a political decision. once the government came in, they took the political decision a decision policy to let these people out when they did. and i can bet your bottom dollar, i think it was 1700 that were released. you could have guaranteed that of the 1700, there would have been a proportion that that were released in a mistaken way that shouldn't have been released. and that's the nature of bureaucracy. there are going to be mistakes. and i think i think the first of all, that the policy was wrong. they shouldn't have released as many as quickly as they did. and of all the

things that labour have done, you know, talking to people in my former constituency, talking to people where i live in london, this has had more cut through than anything else because it affects people. everyone knows someone who knows somebody who's been put in prison or who's had some brush with the law or been a victim. and this has had a really big cut through in a way that i don't think the labour party anticipated. i just want to go over the potential of the people that could be still at large here because including within these offences, they could be domestic abuse offences, which could be stalking offences, it could be stalking offences, it could be stalking offences, it could be controlling or coercive behaviours in an intimate or family relationship. it could be non—fatal strangulation and suffocation, or a breach of a restraining order. non—molestation order and domestic abuse protection order. dennis, these are precisely the sort of dangerous criminals we were told we were guaranteed. we thought, oh, they'll be tax dodgers. they'll be regular run of the mill, you know, fluffy inmates. this is the precise opposite of what we were told.

and you cannot blame the conservatives for this. it happened today, and we've got five of these rag bags are still at large. >> i'm not blaming the conservatives one little bit. it was a mistake and somebody should pay for it. and i feel sorry for shabana. mahmood has made a very brave start on all the women in prison, which i think is a much more important announcement. but she's got to sort this out and find out who is responsible because, you know, no government can afford to play around with these things. people are concerned and frightened. there's too much, you know, rough and ready bullying and bashing up. and it used to be all done under the carpet, especially domestic abuse. so he's smacking a woman around the chops that used to be just part of. yeah, it was a different culture. it was a different culture. it was a different culture. it was a different culture. now we are rightly much, much more sensitive to it. usually it's condemned as a woke by too many people. i think, on the contrary, it is very, very bad. but they're getting let out early. >> you know.

>> you know. >> so no, no, i'm talking about the reasons those men were inside. i think probably they were men ten, 15 years ago would not have happened. now conservatives and tories alike are taking this far more seriously. that's good. these men, not a huge number, have been released. i mean, they're not going to go out with machetes to start killing people, to be honest, martin, but do you know. well, because they anybody committed that kind of violent crime would not have beenin of violent crime would not have been in that category. >> i think that's what will happen. and you can i can guarantee you this is what's going to happen. god forbid. i hopeit going to happen. god forbid. i hope it doesn't happen. but if any of these prisoners commits a serious crime, i know in the next few months life harming , next few months life harming, life ending, god forbid this will be a huge story and the chances of that are now greater tonight. kwasi i'm not. i'm not predicting it, but i'm saying if it happens , this will be an it happens, this will be an enormous story. and the government will be under and the ministers relevant ministers will be under huge pressure. >> but don't you think , quasi,

>> but don't you think, quasi, that the home office would have told every chief constable, everybody in the police service, you find those guys so quick and get them back inside. >> yeah, but the problem is, is that you've let out. i don't know what it was in the first batch. 1700? yes, by the end of next month, there'll be another 1700 as well. >> that might be reviewed. >> that might be reviewed. >> and you've got a whole bunch of. and there's no way you can tag them all or work out what they're all doing. you can actually. well it does take all it takes is 1 or 2. >> yeah, i agree really, really evil. >> if i can, i will use that word. yes. and then and then this, this policy will be totally out of prison after serving a sentence and the next day kill someone. >> so i think that's the point. well, that is the point. that's the point. the point is you do it after the end, proper end of your sentence and do something very bad. i do think, get me wrong. i mean labour is making in my judgement in so many areas what i call lots and lots of unforced errors. and i agree with that . that is, i say that

with that. that is, i say that what labour needs now. sir keir starmer needs now is a response . starmer needs now is a response. it's not it's not a racist term. it's not it's not a racist term. it is jonathan powell, alastair campbell and peter mandelson, chief of staff, who isn't a story herself. that's right, a head of communications. and i don't even know who was the head of communications for, for the prime minister, the conservative party now and then, someone who's got a organic, wider view of. >> so, look, of.— >> so, look, i of. >> so, look, i couldn't agree with you more. and, you know, i was part of government that didn't have a grip. i mean, you know, with liz truss, boris to a lesser degree. and it's obvious to me that there is no central coordinating force at the heart of government. we have to move on, gentlemen , i have on, gentlemen, i have a statement to read out from downing street. a spokesman said this. we're working with the police urgently to return the people who were sentenced using outdated legislation. they've all been monitored since their release , so they will be brought release, so they will be brought back into prison. well, at least that's good to know. thanks to

my panel. and coming up next. unions vote in favour of reversing the winter fuel cut . reversing the winter fuel cut. is this the beginning of the starmer revolt from his fellow left wing union comrades ? and as left wing union comrades? and as france tightens its immigration rules, its ministers urge the uk to sign an asylum deal with the eu . of course they do, blaming eu. of course they do, blaming the small boat crisis , you've the small boat crisis, you've guessed it brexit. all of coming

next. welcome back to farage with me. martin daubney covering for the big man. now the government has reaffirmed its intention to cut the winter fuel allowance, and that's despite a vote at the labour party conference to reverse the controversial move . reverse the controversial move. save the winter fuel, save the winter fuel, save the winter fuel sign. and the motion was put forward by the unite union, which has accused the government of embarking on austerity. mark

two although the vote isn't binding, of course it does put further pressure on labour over its decision to take away the benefits from 10 million british pensioners. another one to get our teeth stuck into now, my panel our teeth stuck into now, my panel, my excellent panel, the former conservative mp and the chancellor of the exchequer, kwasi kwarteng, and the former labour minister denis macshane . labour minister denis macshane. dennis, i'm going to start with you again because it's another leftie problem and i want to ask you this. there's a lot of knives being sharpened for keir starmer at the moment. his popularity is tanking. he's —26%. he's the least popular prime minister at this point of his premiership in recent history, the storm clouds are gathering 60% of voters. in a poll yesterday . don't think poll yesterday. don't think he'll even be the prime minister at the next general election. my question to you is, was this vote, totemic of a potential revolt from the unions who might actually start going to war with

keir starmer? are the unions revolting ? revolting? >> i don't think so. i heard i think just before the break, martin, you referred to the prime minister as the left wing comrade keir starmer. now that will be very flattering to attach the words either left or comrade to the prime minister, because he's made his entire short career since he ran for office. in being the very opposite, he went on, he disappeared to new york and rachel reeves went off. so it was a vote today, at the end of the conference, absolute end of the conference, absolute end of the conference. i listened to some of the debate yesterday and what was striking were the number of labour mps who said, you know , my mother is you know, my mother is a pensioner, but she doesn't need this. i'm, you know, we don't need it. and there's a quite a lot of mix and match over it. i mean, i think it's again, it's been poorly handled. i didn't say that in all those years in opposition, saying 4000 would die if the tories act. it

wasn't. well, it wasn't an issue because i don't think the conservatives are proposing to change it. so it's we'll wait and see. on trade unions in general, frankly, when i follow them, a very old trade unionist, i worked with trade unions internationally. they are not the force they were 20 years ago, 30 years ago, ten years ago. so i think most trade unions right now are just think, look, this is far, far better than the alternative. there's some stuff coming in that we like, the winter fuel allowance . like, the winter fuel allowance. everybody would prefer it to be handled differently, but we're not going to be all and end it all. i mean, every pensioner is going to get between 600 and £900 increase this year because of the change in terms in which pensions are paid out. that's far more than the fuel allowance . far more than the fuel allowance. >> so you mentioned the fact that the conservatives didn't consider this. i think it was debated, but we realised that politically this would have been

a bridge too far. there's no way the conservatives would have. i mean, it would have been a lot of heat on this, so we didn't touch it rightly. i think the second thing i thought was very ironic was that the reason why she's taken the winter fuel payment off pensioners is essentially to pay for the pubuc essentially to pay for the public sector increases. the precise unions that may be causing that was the irony, was that they voted it down. so i'd love to hear from them. how they think they're going to. they're going to, you know, we can pay for their pay increases. that £10 billion it was found for the unions actually teachers. that was unite. that's right. and they were repaid today by voting down the winter fuel allowance. exactly. and the third thing i'm going to say about this is that i lost the vote, by the way, do less stress. >> i mean, it was a gesture. it was nice to see all those guys there with their fists in the air and shouting, no! >> but the conference voted against the government. >> i mean, the conference itself did, but it had no impact. >> and the third thing i'd say, i think, i think this isn't this isn't the end of what we're going to hear from the trade unions. i think this parliament

and certainly the next few months will be dominated by the pubuc months will be dominated by the public sector pay round. so you've already had the nurses earlier this week reject what was a 5% increase year on year, when inflation is at 2.2%. and i think more public sector unions will be emboldened. and i wonder if that's to push the government on this or if that's a fair point, because wes streeting today, i will not back down on nhs reform, but the unions might have something to say about that. >> they that's why i mean, that's one of the reasons. and there are many why perhaps we had the huge change and we've now got 413 labour mps . i've now got 413 labour mps. i've forgotten how many conservatives, 121, 120, which is the lowest ever, the most. >> but it's a very volatile electorate. >> oh, tell me about it. volatility all over europe, all over the world. but one of the reasons that the conservatives were so badly punished was because of their , oh, i don't because of their, oh, i don't want to fight the election campaign, but the arrogance of saying nobody gets a pay rise, the teachers don't, the train drivers don't, the nurses don't , drivers don't, the nurses don't, the doctors won't. labour has

made good those years of really foolish very old. you would have had harold macmillan or any old tory of a previous generation, being so unkind to the people who deliver vital public services are trade unions as a real problem ? i mean, i'm not real problem? i mean, i'm not saying you're wrong, quasi, but my instincts and experience is they're not the force they once were, and the majority of tuc affiliated unions just want a stable, no strike environment for the next few years. >> i'm not sure you're going to get that. i'm not hold you to that. okay, gentlemen, we have to move on now. france's new interior minister has pledged to expel illegal immigrants who have broken into the country amid moves aimed at toughening law and order. now, along with germany's interior minister, they're urging the uk government to enter an asylum deal with the european union if they claim brexit has exacerbated the small

boats crisis. is an astonishing kwasi kwarteng. how the european union member states, who can't control their own borders for love and money, apart from the exception of italy, who are actually getting tough and turning back boats and now strengthen their own borders and blaming brexit. so what's going on? and dennis knows far more about europe than i do, but i know a little bit. you've got german elections next year and it's very clear to pretty much everyone that the centre left coalition, which is what it is, will probably be replaced . so will probably be replaced. so heading into the election, i think you can tell that they're going to be very, very tough on immigration and they want to sort of essentially ward off some more right wing parties. and some of them are pretty unpleasant, actually, on this particular issue. this is pure politics, as far as i can see. and in france, you've got a similar situation. macron almost totally , inexplicably blew up totally, inexplicably blew up his majority , calls a general his majority, calls a general election and ended up with total chaos. and his government, our old friend michel barnier is now

the prime minister and essentially he's reliant. and you can correct me if i'm wrong on on on the far right. so again, you're in a situation where the internal politics of these countries is leading them to address an issue which, like us, perhaps they've neglected . us, perhaps they've neglected. and that's what i think. that's what's going on. i think you're right. i spoke to a, a french journalist earlier on who said this is purely performative, it won't get entrenched in law. it's just sabre rattling to try, as you said, quasi to, to try and keep the lid on the far right. the trouble is, france has ten borders with other countries, and it's saying you're breaking into our country. if you come without paperwork . well. nigel farage paperwork. well. nigel farage has been saying that about this country for years. he was called far right. is this far right? and what on earth is going to happen to britain if they're stopping going to france, it might be some crumb of comfort for them not getting to calais and then coming to britain. >> well, italy, you mentioned, has got 283,000 asylum undocumented asylum seekers, illegal asylum seekers, if you

like , waiting to be processed, like, waiting to be processed, we've got about 56,000. we've got this huge protection of the channel germany has got almost as many asylum seekers as half the population as the rest of europe combined, partly because of angela merkel's stupid decision to allow a million syrian people to come in from the failed state of syria. and why syria? syria failed state because david cameron's foreign policy blunder. all right. okay. you don't know. you don't like to be reminded. no, no. but i mean, cameron and sarkozy went and turned nasty countries, syria and syria and libya into complete failed states. no law and order, no police , no border and order, no police, no border control at all. and we're still suffering from the consequences. now, what i mean, i read that in the times it's written by dear friend. it was slightly, shall we say , well, i don't want to we say, well, i don't want to say made up. it wasn't made up. everybody in europe is asking britain, will you look at safe

asylum routes, which we have to put up with? >> and we would run afghanistan. >> and we would run afghanistan. >> no no no no no no no no. ukraine and hong kong are completely different. we have got people from all people moving from all over the world, just as the united states has. and the richer countries japan has now, the richer countries of the world are having to are taking in people who are just getting on a boat and getting on a plane and arriving in. so so, so i know, but but that's all. i don't think. i mean, in a sense, every country at the moment has got a veto on all of this. and as kwasi absolutely rightly says, the germans have just closed their borders causing nightmares with poland. >> so look where you know, you know, you know, i know german politicians as you do. this is not the natural spd—green playbook. know what they're terrified of? what they're terrified of? what they're terrified of? what they're terrified of is a federal election in september where you've got the afd, the far

right , whatever you want to call right, whatever you want to call them. and you've got the cdu. they're the top two parties right now. >> no, not the cdu . >> no, not the cdu. >> no, not the cdu. >> we have to move on. >> we have to move on. >> we have to move on. >> we lost the election last sunday. >> no, no, no, the cdu, we've got to move on. we got to move on.the got to move on. we got to move on. the fact they're attacking. right. well, their rhetoric is attacking. what they're all doing is trying to steal the clothes of the right. well not because they're terrified they're going to get concrete. that's. i agree with that. jan's got to move on coming up, have police crossed the line

next. welcome back to farage with me . welcome back to farage with me. martin daubney covering for the big man himself. now the metropolitan police have crossed the line after they banned a badge commemorating officers killed in the line of duty. the thin blue line badge, which is sold by the charity care of police survivors, which raises cash for the families of officers killed on duty , has

officers killed on duty, has been forbidden in the met's new uniform policy signed off by the met's commissioner, sir mark rowley. the policy bans officers from wearing badges, lanyards or patches which advertise causes, beliefs or charities. now the timing of this is terrible because it comes on the day that a memorial was unveiled by the metropolitan police. chiefs of sergeant matt ratana, who was shot and killed in croydon custody centre in 2020. well, joining me now to discuss this is the chairman of the metropolitan police federation , metropolitan police federation, rick prior. rick, welcome to the show . so the timing of this is show. so the timing of this is one aspect. it comes on a day when should be commemorating police officers who fell. of course, sergeant matt ratana tragically taken away . have they tragically taken away. have they made a complete and utter error by getting rid of this badge ? by getting rid of this badge? >> well, first of all, i would concur with the timing point, i

was at the, the ceremony today, unveiling the memorial stone for sergeant ratana and it was a beautiful ceremony in remembrance, with, sergeant ratana's partner, sue and luke's son, sorry, his son luke, who had flown all the way from australia. it was a very touching ceremony today, it was my understanding. it was announced on september the 18th, which, happened to coincide with the anniversary of the appalling murders of fiona bone and pc nicola hughes from greater manchester police . so i would manchester police. so i would concur with the timing and it does feel awkward for me to be on here tonight , on such a day on here tonight, on such a day where i've been to such a touching and, touching memorial event , touching and, touching memorial event, remembering touching and, touching memorial event , remembering sergeant event, remembering sergeant ratana , in relation to blue line ratana, in relation to blue line imagery itself. you know, one has to remark that the blue line imagery is commonly accepted

amongst police officers and the pubuc amongst police officers and the public as demonstrating camaraderie amongst the police family, in support of a number of police charities , including of police charities, including supporting the survivors of officers killed in the line of duty. to my understanding , it's duty. to my understanding, it's not representative of any specific cause , belief or specific cause, belief or charity, rather, a general commonality among police officers , police staff, police officers, police staff, police community support officers , community support officers, special constables and the wider police family. >> so as you say, it's a terrible, terrible state of affairs that we have to even be discussing this on what should have been a sacred day of remembrance. and nevertheless, here we are. could i get your take, then? you say this isn't politically aligned. it's more of a show of respect for the fallen by those who still serve in that respect. have the metropolitan police made a complete blunder by scrapping this badge ? this badge? >> well, it certainly hasn't gone down well with the

membership. you know, the my colleagues who are extremely saddened and angry to hear the news. you'll see many of them on pubuc news. you'll see many of them on public aid, serials with the badge on their rucksacks or displayed on their, on their discreetly on their body armour. you know, and again , they're you know, and again, they're typically posting online on social media, whenever there's a death of a police officer, again, as a marker of remembrance and, and of respect. so yes, the you know, my colleagues are extremely saddened and somewhat angered by this , this policy change. this, this policy change. >> okay. well, thank you very much for joining >> okay. well, thank you very much forjoining us. give us your thoughts and i'm sorry we have to intrude on this conversation on this day of all days. rick prior, thank you very much for joining days. rick prior, thank you very much forjoining us on the show. much for joining us on the show. and i'm still joined by my panel and i'm still joined by my panel, but i'm going to cut now straight to somebody who's hove into view, of course, jacob rees—mogg, state of the nation following this show, what's on your menu ,

your menu, >> well, once again, sir keir starmer, i thought we would run out of this story, but he's decided to throw his son under the bus. and we know the old line, the sins of the father shall be visited upon the son. but i never thought that the sins of the son should be visited upon the father. it seems very unfair to treat his son in this way, having always said he wouldn't use his family. and then the dates don't match. so there's something wrong. he used a very expensive apartment. he used it well after gcses had finished. and it's all the fault of his son. and then somebody quizzed him about sue grey's pay and he got frightfully tetchy. so i don't have to answer about individuals pays. prime ministers always have to answer about the people who are working for them. so this sleaze story gets worse and worse, and he always maintained, keep my kids out of politics. >> it's my private life. and then here we are. it's his sick note for why he took this on this £18 million mansion in the middle of covent garden. and as you said, the dates don't add up

because the exams had already started. what father would move their their kid into started. what father would move theirtheir kid into in started. what father would move their their kid into in the middle of zheng qinwen, in the middle of zheng qinwen, in the middle of zheng qinwen, in the middle of their exams does not add up. jacob rees—mogg, next of course. state of the nation 8 to 9 pm. thank you very much to kwasi kwarteng denis macshane for joining me on the show. i'll forjoining me on the show. i'll be back tomorrow three till 6 pm, and i'll be back on this show tomorrow night. if you haven't had enough of my ugly mush next state of the nation. but before that, here's your weather and here's aidan mcgivern. have a great evening . mcgivern. have a great evening. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb. >> news . >> news. >> news. >> hi there. welcome to the latest forecast from the met office for gb news rain for many of us over the next 24 hours, heavy in places once again, but there will be a few clear spells around, particularly in the far south and the far north, as this low pressure sends its frontal systems north, they will stall across northern ireland, southern scotland, northern

england during the rest of the day and that rain will turn heavy at times, especially for south—east scotland, north—east england, where there is the risk of localised flooding through the day on thursday because of the day on thursday because of the amount of rain we're expecting to fall further south. showers soon follow the main area of rain, a gusty wind and a mild night to come. a colder night for northern scotland, where there will be some sunshine first thing on thursday . sunshine first thing on thursday. actually. caithness, sutherland, western scotland the place to be for blue skies during thursday morning . showers, though, will morning. showers, though, will start to move in from the north. some patchy cloud around through central scotland but south of the central belt. we've got a lot of damp weather as well as for northern ireland. we'll see outbreaks of rain, but the heaviest rain will be affecting north wales and northern england. like i say, there's going to be some significant accumulations in places, particularly the north york moors and the pennines , through moors and the pennines, through the morning and early afternoon to the south across parts of the midlands, east anglia, the south of england and south wales. a

mixture of sunny spells but also some blustery showers and some rumbles of thunder as well. these showers are going to be fairly lively, but we've got mild air moving back in 17 or 18 celsius whilst cold air affects northern parts of the country. that cold air spreads south dunng that cold air spreads south during friday after some heavy rain first thing through the m4 corridor into the m5 as well could cause some problems during the morning rush , but that rain the morning rush, but that rain does move through and then brighter skies for many and a chill in the air as northerly winds arrive. so a cold start to the weekend, but saturday and sunday are looking much brighter with highs of 15 or 16

>> hello. good evening. it's me , >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight , another day and nation tonight, another day and another dodgy donation related scandal for the reverend starmer. and today he throws his son under the bus after the

revelation that he used. that's lord starmer. sir keir used lord allies £18 million penthouse dunng allies £18 million penthouse during the election campaign. will also be going live to new york to hear from colonel richard kemp as the prime minister calls for a ceasefire at the un general assembly. immigration minister dame angela eagle has picked a fight with the wrong man. one donald j. trump, after blaming him for the riots. the presidential candidate has hit back while the prime minister refused to defend dame angela. plus, the darlington nurse whistleblowers have revealed that they were forced to use a tiny locker room to get changed in after complaining about a biological male being in the women's changing rooms. the nurses join me in a moment. state of the nafion me in a moment. state of the nation starts now . nation starts now. i'll also be joined by my panel, former conservative cabinet minister john redwood, and the ministerjohn redwood, and the historian and broadcaster tessa dunlop. as ever, let me know

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