secretary bridget phillipson has said that private schools have to keep bursaries going to help the most struggling families. of course, this is while simultaneously squeezing out the middle class strivers with their vat row to the labour party wants to have their cake and eat it when it comes to this policy. also, let me ask you this. what kind of country has an investment summit but does not invite the world's richest man because they don't like what he writes on social media? the uk of course i speak of elon musk. your thoughts ? on. all of that your thoughts? on. all of that and more. but first, the 6:00 news headlines . news headlines. >> good evening. i'm mark white with the latest headlines from the gb news centre. scotland

yard has issued a call for any potential victims of mohamed al fayed to come forward. five women have claimed they were raped by the former harrods owner, who died last year at the age of 94. a number of others say they were sexually assaulted by him. the current managing director of harrods has apologised and said the business failed . colleagues. michael failed. colleagues. michael ward, who worked for mohamed al fayed for four years, said he was not aware of his criminality and abuse but described it as a shameful period in harrods history . the israeli military history. the israeli military has targeted and killed a top hezbollah commander in a strike on the lebanese capital. mohammad sarwar, a senior leader in the terror group's aerial command, was killed in an airstrike on a building in southern beirut. the lebanese health ministry claims dozens have died in israeli attacks

throughout the day. well, the us defence secretary, lloyd austin, warned the situation in the region was rapidly escalating and we now face the risk of an all out war, another full scale war could be devastating for both israel and lebanon. >> so let me be clear. israel and lebanon can choose a different path . despite the different path. despite the sharp escalation in recent days, a diplomatic solution is still viable . viable. >> well, the us defence secretary was speaking on a trip to london as he met with his british and australian counterparts to discuss ambitious plans to build the next generation of attack submarines. uk defence secretary john healey hosted the summit as the tri nation initiative takes the tri nation initiative takes the next step towards building the next step towards building the submarines. the ministry of

defence says the deal to build nuclear powered, but conventionally armed attack submarines would help support more than 21,000 jobs in the uk alone. john healey said the partnership was vital in an increasingly volatile world. >> we have held these discussions under a cloud of growing global insecurity. so in our trilateral and in our bilateral meetings, we have reinforced the need to stand together against russian aggression towards peace in the middle east and steadfast behind ukraine for as long as it takes . ukraine for as long as it takes. >> the family of a teenager who was murdered in wolverhampton have told a court they are devastated, totally heartbroken and confused. 212 year old boys found guilty of murdering shawn seesahai in a random machete attack are being sentenced this week from nottingham crown court. our east midlands

reporter, will hollis has the latest. >> the beginning of a two day sentencing here in nottingham. the two boys, who are now aged 13 years old, heard how the machete killing that made them the uk's youngest knife murderers affected their victim, sean sza. his family. the family, in a statement read out in court today, said losing a child is a parent's worst nightmare. the family is devastated and totally heartbroken. they described sean as confident and always honest, as confident and always honest, a brave soul. mrs. justice tipples will hand down her sentence tomorrow to the two teenagers whose identities remain anonymous . remain anonymous. >> and finally, astronomers have unveiled the most detailed map ever seen of our galaxy. from the violent births of newborn stars to the hidden mysteries of the galactic core. these new images show the milky way as you've never seen it before. the

map is the culmination of more than 13 years of observations. astronomers used infrared light from the european southern observatory to peer through the dust and gas, which normally hides the centre of the galaxy . hides the centre of the galaxy. and those are the latest headlines. we'll have more for you in an hour. now it's over to michelle dewberry for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you very much for that, mark, and good evening to all of you. i am michelle dewberry and i'm with you until 7:00 tonight alongside me and my panel. kelvin mackenzie, the former editor of the sun and scarlett mccgwire , the former labour mccgwire, the former labour adviser. good evening to both of you. also, you know the drill. it's not just about these two.

it's not just about these two. it's about you at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? get in touch all the usual ways. email me gb views @gbnews. com go to twitter or x or whatever we call it. get me there. or of course the website gbnews.com/yoursay. look lots i want to talk to you about tonight. let's talk prisons though, to start with, shall we? because we all know by now that our prison system in this country is an absolute joke. well, now our justice secretary is going to take a trip to the us to have a look at what's going on there, to see whether or not we can learn any lessons, any new ways of working. apparently looking to a texas style reform. it's basically where, inmates, prisoners would be allowed to do kind of courses to help rehabilitate them, to reduce their sentence. you get points for it, apparently, kelvin mackenzie, good idea. or not? >> well, there's a lot of praise going on suddenly about the texas penal penal system. oh crikey. oh, texas. blimey, apologies for that.

>> he's obviously got something on his mind. >> it was a sausage. it's a sausage. it's a sausage moment. >> right. >> right. >> go on, impose yourself. and, so yes. so a lot of people saying great things about texas. well, the one thing that i admire about their penal system is that they have executed 549 people over the years . and so people over the years. and so perhaps when we take into account whatever these new ideas are, which i'm absolutely in favour of, if we can stop re—offending, very, very good. and actually, i've been listening to this because i'm somewhat older than the rest of this panel, i've been listening to this kind of nonsense now for about for about 30 to 40 years. and all that happens is a lot of effort is put in by liberals. and what happens is that almost nothing comes out the other end. we our reoffending rates are off the dial now in texas it's worked out reasonably well, but i would, i would i would caution the viewer not to fall for the pr trap of believing that a lot of these people can actually be,

quote, changed, unquote, and won't be criminals in the future. >> well, just to add some stats to this, everyone as well in texas, as kelvin says, it does seem to have been relatively effective because apparently, the prison population has fallen by 15% when the scheme was first introduced. re—offending rates apparently over that same period, also fallen by about 30%. scarlett mccgwire. >> yeah , i think we have to do >> yeah, i think we have to do something serious about prison reform. and the reason that our prisons are full is actually not because more people are in them, it's because people are serving much longer sentences . and what much longer sentences. and what we need to do is we need to stop the revolving door of people coming in for a few months, going out, then coming back in because they reoffend. so what do you do if you look at prisoners? i mean, most of them are not violent. most of them actually are pathetic. most of them, they're reading, they're reading and writing skills are very low . they got expelled from

very low. they got expelled from school. they they just never, ever managed to deal with the system. and what we need to do is we need to use we need to use prison as a way of actually turning them around . and what turning them around. and what the problem is that politically, of course, this is very , very, of course, this is very, very, non not popular. and so no money goes into prisons and therefore it just becomes a revolving door with people being stuck in prisons. and then they come out. >> well, i must say talking about texas, they are much more criminalised society than we are. so i think it's something like 545 per 100,000 go to jail, whereas over here it's about 140. so we mustn't confuse these kinds of different countries and different states. i must say about that point, about trying to train people, the people i know who have been to jail, i know, i know three, two of whom received very long sentences,

nine years and nine years, and another one, andy coulson, got 18 months. right, they were the main thing that they tell me is that they were bored to tears. right. and one of them in there right now doing ten years, that's what he tells his family. yeah, but hang on. so. so what? yeah. well, my point. >> my commit a crime. >> my commit a crime. >> yes . look, i agree with you. >> yes. look, i agree with you. i don't think we should. i don't think we should start spending too much time on the majority of the prison population who do want to be saved and are just in there to serve their time for whatever crime they did. there might be a small percentage to whom this really might work, and if that did turn out to be the case, i'd be delighted. as i say, though, i've been around long enough now to know that most of these liberal ideas simply don't work and cost a lot of money. >> no, i too have been around a long time. i don't believe that i do, no, i don't, we're not going to have an argument about age. she's a baby. yeah, right. but well, no. i remember going that there was a, there's a series of i think they're called

the clink cafes attached to prisons , which are completely prisons, which are completely run by cafes. but by the prisoners, because what it does is it gives them skills and it means that they go out. i mean, one of the big things about people in prison is , is that people in prison is, is that they come in without a skill. they go out without a skill, and the only way and then they go back to re—offending you. i mean, there was somebody who was on that you were talking to just before michelle, you know, he, he, he came in without a skill. he left being being a heating engineer. he now runs his own business. i mean, actually, you train people to be bakers. you train people to be bakers. you train people to be bakers. you train people to be cooks. it's it gives them something to go out. that's what i'm saying . it gives them something to go out. that's what i'm saying. i'm not saying any, you know, nice goody goody stuff. i'm saying that actually we want these people need to, to read, to learn, to read and write. right. and they need to pick up a skill. >> do you think that's the job? do you think that's the job of sending some violent thug to

prison? that we should be hoping, in some odd way, that they turn out to go to oxford when they come out? i think there has to be a sense. we seem to have lost the sense that actually there are some very nasty people who needed to be needed to be treated in a very nasty way by society. >> and as i said at the beginning, most people in prison are not violent, right? most people are not violent. and actually, i'm not talking about sending people to oxford . i'm sending people to oxford. i'm talking about so that people can read and write the average reading age of a person in prison is 11, right? i think it's really good. if you come out literate, you do not have to go to seem to be able to add up their drug money. >> all right though, don't they? so come on, let's be honest. they're not they're not a collection of thickos. they're rather cunning, nasty people who know what the risk is when they go down that drugs route. it's the drugs which are actually filling up our jails as much as filling up ourjails as much as anything else, isn't there? because and by the way, i blame the middle classes because they are actually funding funding this, this kind of criminality. >> right. but let's go back to the people who are in there.

there are all sorts of people. i mean, look, we know i mean, this gb news has done enough about about county lines, right? that you they're taking young kids and turning them into criminals. something has got to be done to start turning around people. okay. >> so what do you make of that? wolverhampton case that's just come up? 212 year olds have murdered a totally innocent boy who was sitting on, i think , who was sitting on, i think, sitting on a park bench, and the next thing his life is gone, right. what do you do with those 12 year olds? there is an argument out there. oh, well, we have put an arm around them. they came from bad backgrounds. or there is another argument which says, put them away for 40 years and see what they look like. at 52, >> i would say put them away. i would say put them away. but actually, it's interesting that you talked about the boredom because the people i know have been to prison also also were bored, except when they could help other prisoners. that's the only thing that they could do. prisoners. >> well, andy coulson was in charge. i think he was in charge of kind of teaching people to write, which is rather strange,

since he was the editor of the news of the world. he i don't understand this obsession with the level of boredom that a prisoner faces, because if you want a plethora of choice of social activities or whatever it is, don't commit crimes. >> you won't be in prison and you won't be bored. >> i'm talking about education. actually. i'm not talking about social things. >> but when it comes to education as well, you say that so many of these people are illiterate and all the rest of it. yeah, they seem perfectly capable of reading and writing when it comes to going online and hunting down machete, selling websites, typing in the can of machetes and knives that they want. there's not there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with their reading and writing. >> most people in prison are not there for violent reasons, right? that's that's what i keep trying to say. there are a small minority of people who are in prison for violent things. those two children, percentage of people are in prisons for violent crimes. i'm sure that one of your fact checkers can find out. >> oh, i thought you were telling me the stat. i thought you knew. >> no, no, no, i mean, ijust i just know that that when i talk to people who do prisons that

actually most of them, most of them are not for in violent things. there are. you're right. there are a lot of drugs. i mean, a lot is possession actually, or all over. >> well, no, it's supply really, isn't it? they know what they're doing. these these kids and they're making good money, which they're making good money, which they may not make actually in they may not make actually in the real world, because as you point out, they haven't got the skills to actually wanted to be, you know, in the position to be hired properly. but i, i am worried that we have a new justice secretary who all the background i read about her says so she's a, you know, good and clever a clever lady, but they're constantly looking around for solutions to all this kind of stuff and going to texas is a freebie, and i'll be astonished if anything comes out of it, frankly. >> now. so i think by having john timpson making him a lord and making him a prisoner. james timpson, sorry, make it making him a prisons minister. they're actually looking at how to do . actually looking at how to do. and there are two ways of solving the prison population.

you can build more prisons. you can just put more people away or actually, you can use prisons to turn, to turn around . and it turn, to turn around. and it just decides whether you want to say , you've done it. you stay there. >> tim timpson , timpson i'm not >> tim timpson, timpson i'm not against this appointment, but he's never said a word. he never mentioned. he never mentioned because the prime minister had told the judges, you jail all those rioters. that's fair enough, right? you can say that, right. but timpson didn't turn around and then peddle his own. the reason he got the job in the first place is because he's not in favour of people going to off jail. for instance, a lady of 53 as dim as you like gets jailed for facebook posts, which confirms your view. why is that woman in jail for 15 months? whereas somebody where somebody famous, like a huw edwards who buys buys child and looks at it right, doesn't go to jail at all, we unless we start balancing out what is jailable right? is it really jailable to be sent to jail for a facebook post? no matter how vile it is? >> we're going to come on to elon musk in a few minutes. worry not about that when it

comes to social media and what you can and can't or should and shouldn't be posting on there. there's no such thing as child, by the way. kelvin mackenzie. there's no such thing as child abuse or child abuse. i don't mind anyone that looks at child. what they would kid themselves and call child. it's not child. you're looking at a crime scene and you're disgusting, also as well, you say about these 212 year olds, the first thing i would be doing is getting a massive spotlight and shining it on their parents and asking, what kind of parenting is either going on or not going on, which would mean that the your product, your your products of your your child is a 12 year old wandering around machete ing people, apparently for no reason. well, there's no reason anyway to machete people. but what's going on? or not going on when it comes to the parenting in these kind of situation, which is which is a good question. >> and actually in america , >> and actually in america, somebody whose son, did a school shooting is, is being done for, for manslaughter, isn't it ? for manslaughter, isn't it? because he gave a 14 year old an

assault rifle . right. and he assault rifle. right. and he already knew there were problems because the fbi had been there. so, yes, of course, you have to look at the parents. >> well, there you go. look, you'll have strong opinions on some of that stuff, i am sure after the break, this whole private school row, we know the story by now, 20% getting added on. but the education secretary, everyone saying that private schools while sucking up that 20% the parent should i say they also have to make sure that they continue with their bursary program to help . the very worst program to help. the very worst off in society is this the labour party having their cake and eating it, or is it a fair your

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mackenzie. welcome back everyone. we were just asking whether or not the uk needs kind of penal reforms along the lines of penal reforms along the lines of texas, sean says michelle, we seem to be short of builders in this country. why don't we train many of these people to do that, sue says she echoes what some of you on the panel have just been saying. she reckons a lot of prisoners are dyslexic, unable to read and write, there is so much to be done to get particularly young prisoners, she says. educated, pat on the other hand, says absolutely. just make prisons harder , just make prisons harder, michelle. the harder they are, the less likely anyone. quite frankly, he says, will want to go back. dave says do the crime , go back. dave says do the crime, do the time. there should be no time off for good behaviour . time off for good behaviour. john, you're echoing this as well, saying prison life should be hard. and simon says the only thing i'd bring back from texas is the death penalty. he says those that case the other day, did you see it? the guy the world's longest serving prisoner on death row, i think it was.

he's just been, basically let off, if you like, because i think it ended up that the evidence presented against him had been fabricated. what do you think to that, anyway? look, let's talk private schools then, shall we? we all know the policy that the labour party are introducing by now. if you don't, i don't know where you've been, but i'll recap. essentially, they're going to add 20% to those fees. well anyway, now today the bridget phillipson, the education secretary, she is saying that all these private schools need to continue doing their work to serve communities. they've got to do their outreach schemes, they've got to do their bursaries and so on and so forth. it got me thinking. on the one hand, labour want understandably private schools to do lots in the community, help the most disadvantaged , help the most disadvantaged, whilst on the other hand, squeezing the middle class strivers who have made , strivers who have made, sacrifices to put their kids into these schools. what do you think to this kelvin ? think to this kelvin? >> well, it doesn't surprise me that socialism wants wants the

successful to get to get poorer in order to give to the subsidised generation. this is a particular a bad thought process by phillipson. i mean where some of these people get their, their jobs from is beyond me . why jobs from is beyond me. why should she think that somebody that you have just penalised should be continue to be warm towards a community who actually voted in the very thought process that got the tax higher in the first place. there is no logic to it. so the truth about the matter is that the schools will probably be brighter than this woman, because what they will decide , actually they are will decide, actually they are part of the community. and if they can continue to afford it, i.e. if the if the parents can continue to fall to send their children to school, they'll probably do their best around the bursaries. and i like the idea of a discount for the locals to be able to come and

have an education. so something for your viewers to bear in mind. a—levels are a stars and a—levels right in private schools, 27% was the number that got them. in state schools it was 9%. why on earth don't people like phillipson and co spend more time trying to upgrade the state schools rather than spending their, they'll argue . argue. >> they'll argue that's why they're trying to get the money. they'll argue if she was sitting here now, she would say, well, that's why we're putting this vat on so we can take this money and then reinvest it in whatever amount of teachers it is in the state's. >> ever been a decent state investment into education? >> thank you. actually, i chose to send both of my children to state schools. i think an awful lot of parents who are strivers who really care about their children, do put them into state schools. you don't have to go private to have it. >> can i just ask a question? when you say you chose to send

them to state schools, was you in a financial position to be able to send them to private? >> yeah, actually, actually, i was i was a lot better off than i am now. i could have sent i couldn't have sent them to eton or anything, but but there are lots where i live in north london. it's full of it's full of private schools, it's full of. so it would have been fine and i, i chose and i also chose not in particular my son, who was obviously very bright not to send him to a grammar. i sent him to the local comprehensive and it was fine. and i think this whole thing about aspiring middle class parents there are lots and lots of middle class parents who care an awful lot about their children, who choose to send them to the local state schools for all sorts of reasons. but then i'm not talking about them. no, no, no, about the ones that are in private school. but it's like this. you know, the real strivers are the people who send their children privately. actually, there's a lot there's a lot of people who choose their state schools. >> well, hold on, that's not what i said. i'm talking about a policy that's been introduced that will specifically affect a

group of people. and we're talking about that policy, and therefore i'm talking about that group of people. >> and actually it's what's interesting is, is so what bridget, you're absolutely right. is saying is that is that the money is to go into the state system, which, which i mean, actually, you know, as we all know, the schools are literally falling down because of rack. there aren't enough teachers . teachers. >> the, you know, hang on full schools are not falling down because of rack. let's get a sense of perspective . sense of perspective. >> well they are which ones? there are lots of schools. >> there was only one of them. thenif >> there was only one of them. then if there's lots, which school in its entirety is falling down? >> i'm not saying in its entirety they but they but they, we all know that there's going to be an awful have to be an awful lot of money spent on rebuilding schools because there are a problem. but more important, i mean , that is important, i mean, that is important, i mean, that is important if you're being taught in one, but actually is the lack of maths, the lack of specialist teachers. and that's what you need at the moment. and if you want to improve the state system ,

want to improve the state system, you have to hire the teachers, right ? right? >> what? because this is fantasy economics . if you're >> what? because this is fantasy economics. if you're going to drive out a load of people from the private school and they're going to have to go into the state school , this bunch of state school, this bunch of money that you've allocated for these mythical teachers that you think are now going to find which , by the way, this half of, which, by the way, this half of, well, not half, but a number of the teachers vacancies are not even filled at the moment. they've got vacancies that they can't fill. so i don't know how all of a sudden they're going to find these teachers. but anyway, whatever. if you're going to push people from the private system into the state system, your maths fall apart. >> no. because if you actually look at the people who've looked at this like the institute for fiscal studies, they think that there will be very few moving, right. there might be people who decide not to send their children, but the movement will be very low in, particularly in the 11 to 16, the sixth form, lots and lots of private school children go to state schools. state sixth forms, partly because they think it'll it'll

give them a better chance to go to university of north london. >> that happens all the time. you know as well as i do that the wealthy north london families put their kids through private school to 16, and then in order to get to oxford and cambridge or the lse, then the last two years are at the. >> so this is, this has been going for on ages. and actually i mean, jacob rees—mogg said about because eton is putting its prices up by 20% and he said you don't have to. there's enough money in eton that you do not have to do that. now. if jacob rees—mogg feels that he's one of the less wealthy parents at eton and he he feels and actually, you know, private schools on jacob's money from gb news, i don't think he's one of the, one of the poorer. well, he feels he certainly everybody always feels poor, but but but actually, private schools have been putting up their fees. they have way above inflation. they have way above inflation. they have for the last. so they've been doing this, but they are

actually turning out at the end. >> look, i'm i'm not saying that those kids from private schools are any brighter than the state schools, but when it comes to the test, which is the exams, right, you'd get three times better results through the private system than the state system. why do we continue with a state system for whatever reason, whether i have no idea why it doesn't work, but it doesn't work compared to the private system, what would be your solution? how can we upgrade the state rather than trying to hobble the private? >> so we make the state system. we make the state. >> what do you think 20% on private school fees is going to make the slightest bit of difference to state schools? of coui'se. >> course. >> of course. >> of course. >> one of the things the state let's have the conversation in five years, if i'm still alive in five years, i'll be delighted. >> i very much hope you're still alive and that we're on here to have another argument. but but, but actually one of the reasons is that if you're at a private school, you will not be allowed to take a—levels unless you're going to get them. and if you're at a state school, they will take the risk. i mean, that is

one of the differences, right? >> one of the things that a lot of parents, i imagine will be feeling a little bit frustrated about, i'll put that slightly, is, on the one hand, you've got this education policy or envy policy, i would call it from labour about these private schools. they don't seem to be a care in the world about children having their education disrupted. so if there are children who will have to come out of those schools, go into a different school, there doesn't really seem to be much regard for those kind of children's well—being. but then on the flip side, you've got a prime minister who feels the need, apparently, to move his house. well, this is his explanation. i don't think the dates actually stack up, but he reckons he was moving his child to a different house to try and avoid disruption by having people outside the door . so it's like, outside the door. so it's like, how can you, on the one hand, care so passionately, apparently, about disrupting your own child and seemingly not really care about disrupting because i've just said michelle, very few. >> they've done they've done the statistics right. very few

children will actually be moved between the between ages of 11 and 16. and many, many children are moved. and can i say that my dad was in the navy and nobody seemed to care that i've been to eight different schools. i mean, in those days effect on you. >> you become a socialist . >> you become a socialist. >> you become a socialist. >> i don't understand, i don't understand. so i went to correlation. your dad made a career choice that involved moving around. that was a choice made. it wasn't something. >> it was serving his country. yeah, but it was a choice. >> it wasn't. what were you talking about? here now is an enforced policy onto schools that parents will literally not have a choice but to have to. and i'm telling you, i mean, i've not been in this situation, but i imagine that it will be one of the worst things to have to wrestle with and contend with, to take your children out of their school and put them somewhere else. >> if that's not what you want to do there, isn't there? i mean, i'm quoting the sunday times here. so it may be, may, may be cobblers, but they they found schools , state schools,

found schools, state schools, couldn't take anybody else. they just had to write back and say, we're very sorry. we're full up . we're very sorry. we're full up. and because of this, because this, this tax comes in in january. what on earth is going to happen? >> well, everybody knew this tax was coming in, right. there was no secret i mean, as michelle said, you know, this has been discussed over and over again. we all knew. and you said anybody who voted labour knew that they were going to bring in this tax. it's not secret. so everybody everybody knew when they started this school year that the fees were going to go. >> they write to their local county council, their education council and the council and they write to and they go to the school and they say, we haven't got the space. so they are then forced either to pay the extra 20% for the two terms. right. and hope there's space next time. i'm not saying this is true in london actually, the rolls are falling. you're right. massively so. there will be plenty of space there. there are some. and so you become a good you become an excellent drug pushen

you become an excellent drug pusher. if you go to the right school in, in central london. >> i would have thought one of my viewers, nicola, she's got in touch and said, my brother sent his children to private school because he wanted to show off the status . she says i've got to the status. she says i've got to say his children are as dumb as can be, and they've only got jobs through who they knew . it's jobs through who they knew. it's paying jobs through who they knew. it's paying for privilege, not necessarily paying for better educational outcomes. i used to go out with a guy, you know, that was privately educated, and we just call him bungalow. he had nothing upstairs. and i always thought to myself, i always thought to myself, i always thought to myself, i'm always thought to myself, i 'm astonished his dad hasn't gone back to that school and asked for a refund. i would have done, i think, if it was my child. >> how long? how long were you dating him? >> oh, we'll have that conversation in the break, beer. i think that's how you pronounce it. be you've been in touch saying, michelle, everyone misses a point about this. it's not just about the schools being impacted, she says. we've got a small business in cheshire, and we found out that our clients already are starting to cut back on our services so that they can save money for the school fees, she said. we're in a situation

where you're going to have parents cutting back on restaurants, theatres, hairdressers , treats and all the hairdressers, treats and all the rest of it so it will have a knock on impact throughout the business and the supply chains. and so on. she thinks, one of my viewers has got in touch as well about the prison reform and said, michelle, you're talking about all the courses. one of the challenges, she works in a prison. she says, where are all the staff going to come from that we'll need to escort the prisoners to all of this different kind of menu of activity and courses that people propose. that's a good question. actually, i don't know is the answer to that. and i suspect that people in the government perhaps don't know the answer ehhen perhaps don't know the answer either. look, after the break, it's only the uk if you ask me that it would put on an international or have an international or have an international investment summit and not invite the world's richest man. why? because of some stuff he writes on social media. your thoughts? see in

hello there. michelle dewberry scarlett mccgwire and kelvin mackenzie. keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. now imagine that you was a country that was really kind of wanting to showcase who we are to potential investors to try and get our hands on their cash for whatever projects we thought would benefit this country. wouldn't you think you'd want the world's richest man to be present then in the room to try and sell what we're doing to him? apparently not if we're the uk. i speak, of course, about elon musk. he has not been invited to this investment summit, which is taking place in october. apparently, it's because of his approach on social media. what do you think to this kelvin mackenzie? >> well , he first of all, it >> well, he first of all, it would have attracted fantastic amount of publicity. after all, we need the money. okay, elon. right. this country needs elon musk a lot more than elon musk

needs the uk . we need his brains needs the uk. we need his brains and we need his money. he has been the most creative commercial tech, tech, tech entrepreneur of any era. it's an incredible. all right. so he may be a bit barmy. and the thing he said, which aggravated people was that we were releasing, to make room for people who made facebook posts. that's what finally got him, got him pushed out. and of course, he was slightly wrong in that we didn't release, at all. so that was wrong. but what we did do was we didn't go. >> i thought he'd said that in response to not being invited. i think the things that kind of have raised eyebrows was where he'd been saying stuff about, like the uk's apparently bringing, detainment, building detainment camps on the falkland islands, and that it was sharing a lot of stuff that actually wasn't accurate and inciting people. >> we could say, yeah, well, so what a lot of lies. >> so what? we don't care what people are like, what we all,

all we really want is we want their money, don't we? i don't care if elon. what we're trying. we're putting 8 billion of taxpayers money into some crackpot scheme in aberdeen in which we're starting the great british energy. whatever. right. we need matching funds from rich people. right >> rich people of these people's morals. perhaps >> is that what you're saying? if you're going to have a morality check of every time you go into a bank or something like that about your customers, you're going to have a lot of bloody surprises. for instance, look in huw edwards bank account. you can't tell what the real morality of somebody is by their public utterances. look. look behind the look behind the cloak. >> i don't think it's about morality . it's just quite morality. it's just quite obvious that he cannot stand the british government. he was never going to invest. he's been incredibly rude about it . as incredibly rude about it. as michelle said. he's been telling. i think you were politer than me. things that weren't quite true, but absolute lies about it. there's no way he was going to come over and

invest in britain. i mean, there was absolutely not, even though it might have come along. it might have been inspired by something he might have been inspired. i mean, look, you're right , that elon musk is an right, that elon musk is an amazing character in in the good and the bad, right? i mean, you know, he is he is, thank goodness, a one off. right. and he has an amazing brain and he thinks about things and he's all of that. but he's also he's he's a man child. right. so he you know, because he's so cross, he says that we're we're letting out. i mean, do you remember when those boys in thailand were trapped in a cave? he paid for that. and he. yeah, he he paid for it because he was sued. >> sued for libel? yeah. he paid out. >> sued for libel. he he. of course he had to pay out. he lost. but what did he do? because his idea wasn't taken up. he accused that guy of being a. i mean, the thing about elon musk is, i mean, you know , he's musk is, i mean, you know, he's a rogue trader, but it was absolutely obvious. i mean,

there was no point. so what are we going to do? >> anybody who comes to invest in our country, the first thing you've got to do is have a very good look at their background, and then you hope to god that actually they're not looking at child abuse. then you have to hope to god that actually they did not called him a. they didn't diddle their business partner. out of 44% of their business, there's a whole load of stuff which we don't find attractive. >> none of those have. i said. the thing is, is that he that he clearly he's taken umbrage with britain . there is absolutely no britain. there is absolutely no question about it. he took it before he wasn't invited. >> i support him taking umbrage against this government. i mean, and so does only 30, only 34% of this nation agree with this government. so you've got 66%. so who actually take umbrage? >> i'm hardly going to invest in this government. how do you know? well, we haven't asked him yet. he. of course he hasn't asked him yet. of course he's not. because if i if i were him with his money, do you know what

i'd do? >> i'd. i'd send 22 billion out of my back pocket and say they are the black holes gone? get on with it. >> no, you wouldn't. no you wouldn't. well, i would to. love fast forward to a parallel universe where you're absolutely minted to see whether or not you would pull out £22 billion for an apparent black hole. you would not. and you know you wouldn't. >> £0.22. >> £0.22. >> michael has been in touch . >> michael has been in touch. one of my viewers, he says, michelle, everyone talks about private schooling as being privilege. he says, what's the privilege. he says, what's the privilege in it? he said ultimately, the children are there because the parents are handing out the cash. the second those parents stop handing out the cash, the kid is out. what's privileged about that? he says the real privilege is a great education in a state school for free. how can people don't realise how amazing he asks? thatis realise how amazing he asks? that is another of my viewers. phil, i think you make a really good point and one that's really often overlooked. you're talking about the people, the amount of children in private schools that have additional needs. so many of those people will be affected by this, and some people will

say, oh, well, it's fine because they've got these certificates. such a small number of these children have actually qualified or managed to get processed and have these certificates. so many of them, their parents, i can't imagine what they must be going through right now in terms of the worry coming up after the break, i want to talk to you about the labour party and new labour climate envoy has been appointed, who has been linked to probably the biggest or certainly one off donors to the labour party. we'll have that and more. i'll see you in two.

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00. kelvin mackenzie and scarlett mccgwire remain alongside me. we were just talking about whether or not elon musk should be ianed or not elon musk should be invited to an international investment summit here in the

uk. june. one of my viewers says, i'll tell you what, michelle. i would quite frankly like to see elon musk as the pm of this country. she says, that he would sort out the issues that we have in a jiffy. would he or not, look, this whole kind of freebie fiasco, it's been rumbling on and on, hasn't it? well, now attention has turned now to one of the big donations to the labour party, this was a £4 million donation. it came from a hedge fund, basically. now someone who is linked to this hedge fund has now been given a role as labour's new climate envoy . she's apparently climate envoy. she's apparently the co—chair of the quadrature climate foundation's advisory board. and of course, this was founded by the same people behind that hedge hedge fund. what do you think to this, kelvin? nothing to see here or what? >> well, it's based, in a place that i imagine starmer would absolutely hate, which is the cayman islands. so they've got they're not paying any tax. the

point about that hedge fund is what they're big in is, is , is what they're big in is, is, is the is the killing of carbon c02. the is the killing of carbon co2. so what they're obviously hoping and they're also big in the electric, electric car business. that's where their investments are. so what what so they give £4 million, which is i read somewhere that it's the third largest donation to the labour party of all time. right. so they've given this money, and the next thing you know, that little advisory board is totally funded by the hedge fund, right? there's no sense of independence at all. and this lady is now going to be our big our big energy envoy . honestly, if this energy envoy. honestly, if this had been the conservative party i can't imagine the explosion that would take place. but there are so many freebies going on towards labour that the only way that you can get on. in fact, this bloke here, right, the hedge fund running this run by run by a group of men in the cayman islands, i can't imagine

we'll start competing with lord alli elianne in order to work out who that they can get on the take within the labour party, there hasn't been seen to by by lord alli, i mean the amount of freebie going on. and what makes me laugh is that the labour party actually had very good or very, very good in the way that they dealt with boris. right. they really shoved it to him because the conservative party haven't got a leader. actually, funnily enough, this is basically going under the radar. >> yeah, i mean, i look, i don't know the facts here, they don't look great. >> doesn't normally stop a socialist that there is no reason that you'd be rude to me. >> the only thing i was, i was suddenly remembering is, is that my son works for an organisation in brussels that is very, very left wing. i mean, he does think i'm somewhere to the right of genghis khan and which is funded by a hedge fund, and actually they have nothing to do. so it might be it might be one of those.i might be it might be one of those. i mean, i mean, i find it

i was only told this story when i was only told this story when i came in. so i haven't said, you know, what is the what is really going on. >> but i've told you the nuts and bolts of it. so the labour party has got a £4 million donation. >> yeah, but i haven't. i've heard your side of the story. >> what i'm trying my side made it up is well reported. >> okay, misha, all i'm saying is, is i can't put the other what i'm saving is that the the other side. >> what i find interesting, i side. >> what i find interesting, i think if there was, if there was think if there was, if there was a whiff, a sniff, a hint, if a whiff, a sniff, a hint, if this was , if we rewind our. in this was , if we rewind our. in this was, if we rewind our. in fact. no, let's let's look to this was, if we rewind our. in fact. no, let's let's look to the future. if there was a the future. if there was a whiff, a hint, a sniff, let's whiff, a hint, a sniff, let's just say it reform. let's just just say it reform. let's just imagine that reform was in imagine that reform was in government and they got this government and they got this huge donation from, a hedge huge donation from, a hedge fund, or. yeah, a hedge fund. fund, or. yeah, a hedge fund. and then somebody linked to one and then somebody linked to one of the boards linked to this of the boards linked to this hedge fund was now appointed to hedge fund was now appointed to a function within the reform a function within the reform party. i don't think you'd be party. i don't think you'd be sitting here going, well, i sitting here going, well, i don't know all the facts i need don't know all the facts i need to go to. i think you would be to go to. i think you would be straight in there criticising. straight in there criticising. >> and of course, you're right. >> and of course, you're right.

what i'm saying is that the what i'm saying is that the reason you have me on is to try and put the other point of view. i don't know it. right. is it doesn't look great. >> it smells a bit, it doesn't look great. >> and certainly, if it was another party, i would be going for them. yeah. >> well, there you go. i just find it. i find the optics and i'll tell you what i found interesting as well. chris

optics of it, i'm sorry, they don't look good. i know many of you support the government. is it becoming harder though? i don't know, you tell me. look scarlet, that's all i've got time for. thank you for your contributions. thank you. kelvin mackenzie. as well. for yours, thank you to each and every single one of you for your company over the last hour. have a fantastic night. but i'll see you tomorrow night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on gb. >> news . >> news. >> news. >> hello again and welcome to the latest forecast from the met office for gb news. very wet overnight for some places with the risk of further flooding rain then clears to showers through friday. colder but brighter weather arrives from the north. we've already seen that for scotland through the day, but across northern england, northern ireland, wet weather has been persisting all day. that then moves south overnight, merging with some

heavy downpours across central england and wales. and these are the areas that saw flooding earlier in the week and so an amber warning in force because of the risk of 60mm in just a few hours overnight, could be some transport disruption. first thing because of the effects of that rainfall. but by the morning rush hour, the heaviest downpours will actually be occurring across the south coast, parts of hampshire into sussex and kent, clearing away gradually from the rest of the south. brighter skies across wales and northern england. by this stage, northern ireland, scotland seeing a mix of sunny spells and showers, and it's a cold start to the day in these areas, with temperatures in some places down in the low single figures. the cold air, because of northerly winds and those northerlies extend country wide through the morning, helping to push away the last of the rain and bringing brighter skies for many and drier weather finally across much of the country. having said that , there will be having said that, there will be further showers, these not as

heavy or as prolonged as recent weather, but certainly a mixed afternoon to some sunny spells and showers and a cold wind with highs of just 15 celsius in the south, ten in the north. now. saturday starts off chilly, a touch of frost in places bright though, across the south and the east, and we keep decent spells of sunshine into the afternoon. western and northern scotland, northern ireland, northwest england and wales will see further showers and by sunday after a dry start. further showers and by sunday after a dry start . unfortunately after a dry start. unfortunately we've got more wet and windy weather arriving from the west and the southwest . and the southwest. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on

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