murderers who were just 12 knife murderers who were just 12 years old when they killed a 19 years old when they killed a 19 year old with a machete, have been sentenced to life with a minimum term of just eight years and six months. they could be free from prison aged just 21. >> and when kim met donald, the prime minister and former president shared an intimate two hour dinner last night atop trump tower. not too long ago, starmer bashed boris johnson's close relationship with trump. is he now trying to emulate it .7 is he now trying to emulate it.7 >> creative accounting the government has complained of a £22 billion black hole for months. yet today we learn chancellor rachel reeves may change the rules to borrow £50 billion more. how does that add up .7 up.7 >> and as we mentioned, the

sentencing of those two just 12 years old, when they brutally murdered a 19 year old man, we're going to go live to nottingham crown court, where the sentencing has taken place and our reporter, will hollis, is there for us, will please bnng is there for us, will please bring us up to date. >> yes. well, this is the second day of a two day sentencing hearing. >> yesterday we heard impact statements from the families. but today mrs. justice tipples has just a few moments ago handed down her sentencing to those 213 year old boys who were just 12 years old when they became the uk's youngest knife murderers. they killed shawn seesahai in a park in wolverhampton. the judge has just handed down a sentence for a minimum term of eight and a half years. that's the same for both of those boys who, as we know, cannot be named for legal reasons. around their age. mrs. justice tipples in speaking to the boys, said you both killed

sean. you are different individuals with different different backgrounds, but i am sure you intended to kill him. sean did not deserve to die and you will live with the consequences for the rest of your life . so at the age of 13, your life. so at the age of 13, for both of those boys, eight and a half years will take them up to their early 20s. about 21 years, to give you a comparison, the killers of james bulger, jon venables and robert thompson were sentenced to an indefinite sentence and they were let out after eight years. after parole in 2001. just a reminder for the horrific details of the case. in november 2023, shawn seesahai, a 19 year old from anguilla in the canbbean 19 year old from anguilla in the caribbean who had came to the uk as a student but also for an eye operation, was in a park in wolverhampton when he had a confrontation with those two

boys. one of the boys, who said that he regularly carried the machete knife openly admitting last year in june, during the trial that he regularly carried that knife the two boys set upon him with the 42 centimetre machete, killing him. ultimately, the wound that was fatal was a stab wound through the heart, but also a wound to the heart, but also a wound to the head took away a piece of sean's skull. one of the boys took the machete home and cleaned it with bleach, and that's where we are now. so that is an eight year and six month sentence for those two boys who were found guilty, who were convicted for the murder of sean seesahai from anguilla in the caribbean. >> i mean, a lot of people will be listening to that eight year and six month sentence and think, goodness me, that is a woefully short sentence given

the age of these individuals, as you say, they will be out in their early 20s, either 21 or 22 years of age, how how how is that justice? >> yes. well, the sentencing guidelines for life are different for children as they are for adults. adults being anybody over the age of 18. and in remarking yesterday on those sentencing guidelines, murder will always have a sentence of life imprisonment. but yesterday it was discussed that for children under the age of 14, it is 13 years minimum, that they should spend in prison. but the judge remarked that mitigating factors can bring that down or it can raise that 13 years is just a starting point, and that is where the judge has found that those mitigating factors have led her to sentence the

boys to eight and a half years. if it was a person over the age of 18, it, of course would be many more years that those people guilty of a similar or the same sort of crime of murder would have been sentenced to . would have been sentenced to. >> okay. and will i understand there was a media application put in to the judge to name the 213 year olds convicted of this, of this crime, convicted of this murder, but it was rejected on the grounds that the welfare of the grounds that the welfare of the boys outweighed the wider pubuc the boys outweighed the wider public interest. >> yes, well, we've seen it happenin >> yes, well, we've seen it happen in the past that children who are under the age of 18 but are found guilty of the most heinous crimes, have their anonymity removed, particularly around issues of public interest or open justice. that's what a selection of the media that had been covering the trial here at nottingham crown court had submitted to the judge that there was a case for open

justice, for public public interest because of the age of the boys who at the time were 12 but are now aged 13 and guilty of becoming the uk's youngest knife murderers, that if the general public knew who these people were, then maybe the pubuc people were, then maybe the public would be safer or maybe we could have a better understanding of knife crime issues. but mrs. justice tipples ultimately ruled that the welfare of those two young boys was more important than the pubuc was more important than the public interest, particularly because of the background. one of the boys, having experiences with social services for most or for all of his life, for the difficulties that have surrounded their upbringing, and thatis surrounded their upbringing, and that is ultimately where she found that ruling, not to reveal the identity of the boys, which is the anonymity is enshrined in law in the criminal justice act, meaning that anybody under the age of 1418 going into legal proceedings has the right to anonymity, meaning the media.

although we know who these people are, cannot report who they are. >> now will. we're looking at a picture of the of the victim on our screens now. mr seesahai, who came from the caribbean now now the caribbean has a far high, far higher murder rate than the united kingdom. you'd expect that if someone were to come from the caribbean to the united kingdom, they'd be safer. what a cruel irony that his visits to the united kingdom endedin visits to the united kingdom ended in his death. this is a shocking case. and as you say, well, this is britain's youngest set of murderers since james bulger . bulger. >> yes. well, jon venables and robert thompson killed james bulger after luring him from a shopping centre, torturing him and killing him, leaving his body on a train track that was in 1993 and they were aged 11. so not much of a difference in

age, just a year from the age of these two boys aged 13 now, but age 12 at the time that they killed shawn seesahai with a machete . sean's family did come machete. sean's family did come over for the trial, and they said yesterday in victim impact statements that were read out on their behalf by the uk's representative to anguilla that they have faced not just mental health problems, academic problems, the loss of a family member, but also the effect of having to spend lots and lots of for money repatriating the body of sean seesahai thousands and thousands of pounds to bring his body back to anguilla, but also to come here to and witness the justice that the judge would hope had been served today. >> well , i'm hope had been served today. >> well, i'm sorry, i'm just going to interrupt you because mrs. justice tipples is now reading out that sentence. let's listen . in.

listen. in. >> and as a young man aged 19, his whole future was ahead of him . on the 13th of november him. on the 13th of november last year , he was murdered by last year, he was murdered by the two defendants who acted together and killed him with a machete in a park in wolverhampton . the defendants wolverhampton. the defendants are children who were aged 12, in november last year and were still aged 12 when they were convicted by a jury at nottingham crown court in june. they are now aged 13. the first defendant pleaded guilty before trial to the possession of the machete in a public place, and the second defendant was convicted of this separate offence by the jury today. i have to sentence the defendants for the murder of sean sza. i

also have to sentence them for the possession of a knife in a pubuc the possession of a knife in a public place , although that public place, although that offence adds nothing to the offence adds nothing to the offence of murder in this case. murder is the most serious criminal offence and the sentence is fixed by law. there is only one sentence i can give the defendants in this case, and because of their age it is called detention. during his majesty's pleasure. this is a custodial sentence, which means that the defendants will remain in the secure accommodation where they've each been living since they were arrested . i'm since they were arrested. i'm required to determine the shortest length of time. each defendant must stay in custody before they can be considered

for release by the parole board. this is called the minimum term . this is called the minimum term. it is then for the parole board to decide when a defendant can leave custody and their decision depends on a defendant's behaviour in custody and whether it is safe for that person to leave custody . the law requires leave custody. the law requires all judges sentencing children or young people , however serious or young people, however serious the offence to have, regard to the offence to have, regard to the principal aim of the youth justice system, which is to prevent the offending by children and young people , and children and young people, and the welfare of the child or young person . the court of young person. the court of appeal has made it clear that sentencing children and young people requires an entirely different approach than that which the courts routinely apply

to adult offenders . one aspect to adult offenders. one aspect of that is that in communicating sentences to children in a case like this, the court can break the sentencing remarks down into stages . that is what i have done stages. that is what i have done in this case. the first stage is for the judge to inform the child of the sentence and tell them the reason for that sentence in brief and simplified language, which they can easily understand. the second stage is for the judge to provide sentencing remarks so that everyone can understand the judge's reasons and be sure that all relevant, legal and factual considerations have been taken into account . these remarks are into account. these remarks are that second stage of the process . that second stage of the process. ideau that second stage of the process. i dealt with the first stage

earlier this morning . the facts earlier this morning. the facts of this case are horrific and shocking and can be explained very shortly . the first very shortly. the first defendant bought a machete from a friend in october last year for £40. he kept it under his bed . on the 13th of november he bed. on the 13th of november he came home from school, got changed out of his school uniform into a tracksuit , picked uniform into a tracksuit, picked up the knife, left home and met up the knife, left home and met up with the second defendant, a friend from school. they then met up with other friends and by early evening they headed to stowlawn field , where they were. stowlawn field, where they were. soon after 8 pm. shawn seesahai was visiting wolverhampton with a friend and earlier in the evening they were sitting on a bench in stowlawn field chatting about their plans for christmas.

about 8:15 pm, sean and his friend left the bench and walked away from it . past the away from it. past the defendants. the defendants were then at the bench. sean returned after a few minutes, spoke to the defendants and asked them to move . moments later, he was move. moments later, he was dead.the move. moments later, he was dead. the defendants jointly attacked sean and killed him. the defendants immediately left the field together. the first defendant picking up the machete, which he returned home with, cleaned it with bleach and put it back under his bed. the defendants were arrested the next day . sean was killed by next day. sean was killed by a stab wound to his back, caused by a machete, which almost went through . his entire body was through. his entire body was 23cm deep and penetrated his lungs and heart. there were also injuries to sean's head, arm and thigh . the cut to the head was

thigh. the cut to the head was caused with such force it went through sean's scalp and into his skull, resulting in a bone flap. i'm sure from the nature of these injuries that the defendants intended to kill sean, they acted together to do so. although i cannot be sure which one inflicted the fatal stab wound. it was an attack which happened on the spur of the moment and was not premeditated . i have explained premeditated. i have explained that the only sentence i can pass on the defendants is detention. during his majesty's pleasure, and i have to set the minimum term that the defendants must serve in custody before they are considered for release. i must set the minimum term by reference to schedule 21 of the sentencing code as parliament has enacted . this case falls

has enacted. this case falls within paragraphs five and four of the code , which means that as of the code, which means that as the defendants were 14 or under at the date of the offence , the at the date of the offence, the starting point is 13 years. the starting point is 13 years. the starting point is 13 years. the starting point reflects the seriousness of the offence. i then have to approach the task of setting the minimum term by looking carefully at each defendant on an individual basis , defendant on an individual basis, both in terms of what they did , both in terms of what they did, together with the information i have about them. as people, their backgrounds and experiences. i am required to undertake this exercise by reference to the sentencing council guidelines . sensing council guidelines. sensing children and young people . this children and young people. this guideline identifies in detail the very many important considerations and factors that i am required to take into account. i also have to look at

the list of aggravating and mitigating factors set out in schedule 21. there is some aggravation because this was an attack by two people, but the relevant mitigating factors are the lack of premeditation and the lack of premeditation and the age of the defendants, all of which i have taken into account. the barristers in this case have also assisted me with their written sentencing notes provided in advance of the hearing, together with their oral submissions at yesterday's court hearing . i now turn to court hearing. i now turn to each defendant . the first each defendant. the first defendant was much closer to 12 in age than 13 at the date of these offences . the pre—sentence these offences. the pre—sentence report for the first defendant

has been prepared by the two social workers who were allocated to work with him from when he was remanded in youth detention accommodation in november 2023. the report is dated july 2024 and has been prepared in accordance with the national standards for youth justice services and relevant guidance. it is a detailed and comprehensive report in which the social workers have collated information in relation to the first defendant from all relevant sources, both in terms of documents and speaking to the relevant people, including the first defendant. i have read all of this report with care and taken all that it says into account . part of the report account. part of the report deals with the assessment of the first defendant, including consideration of safety and

welfare issues. this section in the report details the extensive involvement of children's services in the first defendant's life and the reasons for that. the report also explains, amongst other things, that the first defendant has been referred to mental health services and there have been instances of self—harm. he was diagnosed with adhd in 2022. it is in this context and against this factual background that the report says this, and i quote , report says this, and i quote, having spoken with the first defendant and consulted records held about him, we would assess that the first defendant seems to function at a lower level than his chronological age , both than his chronological age, both in terms of understanding and his emotional literacy . the his emotional literacy. the first defendant is a child with extremely complex needs . he has

extremely complex needs. he has experienced violence from within the home from an early age . it the home from an early age. it is clear he has experienced change, loss and unpredictability, which must have an ongoing impact on his sense of identity and belonging . sense of identity and belonging. his experience of such developmental trauma is highly likely to have had a negative impact on his cognitive development. his ability to regulate his emotions in the moment and to take informed decisions . moment and to take informed decisions. he was made even more vulnerable through his adhd diagnosis . the report then diagnosis. the report then continues by saying that there is a professional consensus of opinion that the first defendant has was being groomed and exploited, and that in the

professionals view, his experiences in this respect contributed indirectly towards his participation in sean's murder . another his participation in sean's murder. another part of the report assesses the risk to the community, including the likelihood of re—offending and risk of serious harm to others . risk of serious harm to others. this explains that at the time of the offences, there were significant concerns about, amongst other things, the first defendant's access to knives, exploitation and how easily he was influenced, which meant that the likelihood of offending and serious harm were very high. the authors of the report note that this has to be seen in the context of the first defendant's very many adverse childhood experiences . he is now very many adverse childhood experiences. he is now in a very many adverse childhood experiences . he is now in a safe experiences. he is now in a safe place where people will help him, and he has undertaken

meaningful work, which is helping him to make positive changes to his thoughts and behaviours. they are hopeful that his secure placement will result in further reducing his risks in the future . the report risks in the future. the report also explains that the first defendant has spoken about what he did, that he said it is not fair that someone lost their life and he feels sad about it. he said he feels bad that he took the knife out with him, and he wished things had gone differently . there is also differently. there is also a pre—sentence report dated the 11th of september of this year , 11th of september of this year, which updates the court . the which updates the court. the first defendant continues to do well at the secure unit and the conclusions set out in the original report remain the same . original report remain the same. ihave original report remain the same. i have also been provided with and have read the report of a consultant clinical psychologist in relation to the first

defendant. that report also explains that the first defendant is particularly vulnerable and immature. identifies further diagnosed disorders beyond adhd, and explains that his verbal reasoning abilities are equivalent to those of a ten year old. the report also recalls the considerable progress that the first defendant has made, where he is now living . finally, i have a now living. finally, i have a letter from the national counter trafficking centre dated july 2024, which explains that the first defendant was a victim of child criminal exploitation, and it is accepted that he is a victim of modern slavery. the starting point of 13 years needs to be adjusted downwards because the first defendant's chronological age was that he'd relatively recently turned 12 at the date of the offence . i then

the date of the offence. i then have to take into account that at the time of the offence, his emotional maturity and developmental age were less than that. he has been adversely affected by multiple traumas throughout his childhood, for which he is and cannot be responsible. these are all factors which diminish the culpability of the first defendant. the first defendant always accepted he bought the knife and took it to the field, and he shown some insight into the harm he has caused . but i the harm he has caused. but i agree with the authors of the pre—sentence report that he does not at this stage have the maturity to fully appreciate the consequences of his actions . on consequences of his actions. on top of that, he's making progress with his behaviour and education in the stable and settled environment where he is living, and that should continue to progress. the first defendant

did not have any previous convictions, which he was known to the police and had been carrying knives, but that has to be considered in the context that he was the victim of trafficking and extremely vulnerable . i have taken into vulnerable. i have taken into account everything i know about the first defendant and what he did, and in my judgement, the minimum time he should spend in custody is eight years, six months from that must be deducted . the 315 days that he's deducted. the 315 days that he's already spent in custody . the already spent in custody. the first defendant will remain on licence for the rest of his life. this means that there are conditions that will be decided when the parole board decides it's appropriate for him to leave custody, and he will have to follow those conditions for the rest of his life. and if he does not do so, then he may have to go back to custody . i now

to go back to custody. i now turn to the second defendant. the second defendant was much closer to 12 in age than 13 at the date of these offences. the pre—sentence report for the second defendant has been prepared by the two social workers, who were allocated to workers, who were allocated to work with him from when he was remanded in a secure unit. unit in november last year. it is dated july 2024 and is a detailed and comprehensive report which was also gathered information about the second defendant from all relevant sources, both in terms of documents and speaking to the relevant people , including the relevant people, including the second defendant. i have read all this report with care and taken all that it says into account. the report explains in

detail the second defendant's background and upbringing, detail the second defendant's background and upbringing , the background and upbringing, the upheaval caused to his childhood by moves in the location of his family's home, some of which was spentin family's home, some of which was spent in a refuge, and the disruption this caused to his childhood. the second defendant has a supportive and loving relationship with his parents and his brother. he was not known to social services or the police at the time of the offences . the report explains offences. the report explains that the second defendant expressed that he feels remorse for what happened, and he feels sorry for sean's family and understands that they are suffering greatly. having lost their son. it is possible that their son. it is possible that the second defendant has dyslexia, but that has not yet been confirmed. in terms of risk at the date of the report, the second defendant was assessed as a medium risk of reoffending and a medium risk of reoffending and a high risk of serious harm to

others. the report then says that it's important that he continues to engage with the support and interventions where he is living, as that will give him something positive for his long term future . the authors of long term future. the authors of the report accept the serious nature of the offences and what the second defendant has done, but comment very positively on his behaviour since he's been on remand. his motivation to do well and to achieve qualifications. the report also makes clear that whilst he is physically mature for his age, he is still young and it will take time for him to mature emotionally and developmentally in an environment where he feels safe. i have an updated pre—sentence report dated the 5th of september, which confirms the conclusions in the earlier report . this further report also

report. this further report also provides more information as to how well he is doing, where he is living, and that he continues to behave in a positive and mature manner. he is on graduate level and has received recently an award to commend him for what he has achieved, where he is living . the starting point of 13 living. the starting point of 13 years needs to be adjusted downwards because the second defendant's chronological age was that he'd relatively recently turned 12 at the date of the offence . his emotional of the offence. his emotional maturity and development age was not below his chronological age. he does not have any mental health problems , but may have health problems, but may have dyslexia. i then have to take into account that he is now showing maturity beyond his years. he is responding very well in custody. he was of good character and has shown remorse for what has happened . i have for what has happened. i have taken into account everything i

know about the second defendant and what he did , and in my and what he did, and in my judgement, the minimum time he should spend in custody is eight years, six months from that must be deducted. the 315 days that he has already spent in custody . he has already spent in custody. i appreciate that this is the very same as for the first defendant, but having applied the guideline, the factors that have led me there are different. but when i have considered and balanced the individual features of each defendant, balanced the individual features of each defendant , that is the of each defendant, that is the clear conclusion that i have reached for each of them . the reached for each of them. the second defendant will also remain on licence for the rest of his life. this means that there will be conditions decided when he leaves at custody, which he will have to follow for the rest of his life. if he breaks those conditions, then he may have to return to custody . i

have to return to custody. i order no separate penalty for the first defendant on count two. possession of a bladed article in a public place. i order no separate penalty for the second defendant on count two. i order forfeiture and destruction of the machete. i make no order for costs and no order for compensation. the victim surcharge applies . victim surcharge applies. finally, i would like to extend the court's condolences to sean sza , his family, and to thank sza, his family, and to thank them for the dignified way in which they have conducted themselves during this trial . i themselves during this trial. i would also like to thank the police, all counsel, the intermediaries and all the court staff involved . that concludes staff involved. that concludes the sentencing remarks . the sentencing remarks. >> you have been listening to mrs. justice tipples announced the sentence of those two now 13

year old boys sentenced to life with a minimum term of eight years and six months. of course, they murdered shawn seesahai, aged just 12. >> yes, indeed. now the pair are the youngest convicted murderers in the uk since jamie bulger's killers robert thompson and jon venables back in 1993. we can we will now be getting a little bit of the background to this hideous crime that we've just seen the sentencing for . seen the sentencing for. >> i was outside in the living room and her phone rang and she answered the call and she started to cry. i asked her what happened.she started to cry. i asked her what happened. she said, sean got stabbed. >> sean seesahai was just 19 years old when he was stabbed to death in a wolverhampton park. originally from anguilla in the caribbean, sean had only been in the uk for six months, having come to receive treatment for cataracts. it's the 13th of

november last year, and the 19 year old boards a tram with his friends from handsworth to a stop in wolverhampton. an hour after leaving his home. he's seen here in a petrol station shop before making his way with one of his friends to the stowlawn, playing fields. this cctv is blurry but police believe this footage at 8:14 pm. is the moment sean was attacked by 212 year old boys. mr seesahai was shoulder barged by the smaller of the two defendants when he questioned what they were doing. one of the boys pulled a machete from his trousers and sean shouted run to his friend! but as he tried to escape, the 19 year old tripped and fell. the trial heard during the murder, the machete went through his body all the way from his back, through his ribs and into his heart. detective inspector damien forrest, a senior investigating officer at west midlands police , describes west midlands police, describes the impact of the attack. >> i've been a police officer for 20 years. >> this isn't the first time i've been out to a young man who's lost his life in a really

violent way, but. >> but to then find out that 212 year olds was responsible was shocking. you only have to stop and think for a minute how you would feel to be one minute having a laugh with your friend, going about your business, the next minute running for your life before turning around and realising that your best mate's life is over. and i think there's a there's a very real effect of that that will change our witnesses life forever. >> in this photo taken the day of the attack, one of the 12 year olds can be seen posing with a bladed weapon. the trial heard that one of the defendants often carried a machete with a 42.5cm long blade. giving evidence to jurors, the boys blamed each other for inflicting the fatal blow and showed no remorse for what they had done in the 24 hours before their arrest , with one cleaning the arrest, with one cleaning the machete with bleach and hiding it under his bed. sean's mother, eshwari , says before his death,

eshwari, says before his death, he was excited about his future. >> he want his own house. he want his own car. you know, mummy, i want to shine in my life. i can't see my son married, don't have a wife, no grandchildren. for me, it's very hard. sean, you must remember. we always will remember. you until god ready for us one day. we will see each other right ? i we will see each other right? i love you , sean . love you, sean. >> jack carson . gb news. >> jack carson. gb news. >> jack carson. gb news. >> just a shocking, shocking story. will hollis has been following this story. of course, for us, he's the voice you heard on that package and joins us now outside the court. will. many people will suggest that eight and a half years is all too short a sentence . short a sentence. >> yes. well, what we were just heanng >> yes. well, what we were just hearing a moment ago before we saw the package , which included saw the package, which included cctv, cctv footage of some of

sean's last moments, was mrs. justice tipples delivering what would have been her sentencing remarks if it were an adult for the adult ears and for the adult audience of that courtroom. but audience of that courtroom. but a little bit beforehand, we saw a little bit beforehand, we saw a simplified version that was delivered for the two children , delivered for the two children, 13 years old, who were found guilty in june of killing sean seesahai while at the age of 12, and that made them the youngest knife murderers in the uk, the youngest killers in 30 years since the killers of james bulger and john thompson and jon venables and robert thompson. pardon me . and what the judge pardon me. and what the judge was saying ultimately was the mitigating factors that have led to her deliver the sentence of eight and a half years. that is dramatically different to what an adult would be given for the life sentence of murder . and life sentence of murder. and let's just remind you of some of the things that she said she

said to when thinking about the boys that you are different individuals with different backgrounds . but then some of backgrounds. but then some of those mitigating factors that she brought in while discussing the first defendant, she said that she described how he had been groomed and exploited and that adverse childhood experience had affected his upbringing, and that because of these factors , it reduced the these factors, it reduced the culpability. she also spoke about how the second defendant had had some difficulties, how he possibly has dyslexia, but had ultimately a happy family life with good family relationships, how he wasn't known to the police she was describing mrjustice known to the police she was describing mr justice tipples that this was not a premeditated attack, that it was spur of the moment. so it will be those factors that she would have used to mitigate the sentence, which for children under the age of 14 starts with a mandatory sentence

starting point of 13 years, but can be reduced depending on those mitigating factors. and we heard yesterday from both of the defence lawyers that because the boys are having positive results while in youth detention facilities, that they should , as facilities, that they should, as they submitted to the court yesterday, should have those sentences reduced. and maybe that's why the judge has sentenced to eight and a half years today for those two boys, which of course cannot be named for legal reasons. >> thank you very much indeed, will hollis, for being there outside nottingham crown court for us. very interesting . tom, for us. very interesting. tom, we heard a lot about the first defendant, a little less about the second defendant, completely different lives, completely different lives, completely different backgrounds, completely different experiences. it does sound like the first defendant had an awful upbringing up to this point. yes went through a huge amount. obviously. talk about adhd and self—harm, but also trafficking. very difficult relations , abuse, very difficult relations, abuse, witnessing violence. throughout his childhood. second defendant

sounded as though apart from maybe a bit of dyslexia, he had a pretty reasonable, normal family life, loved by his family , family life, loved by his family, loved by his brother, etc. why then did they have the same level of mitigating factors? it sounds like they have completely different stories to tell. also, we still don't know who actually did the stabbing. >> no, no. and that i suppose is part of the ambiguity there. but i just, i to me part of the ambiguity there. but ijust, i to me the point of i just, i to me the point of prison is to make society safe, to keep bad , dangerous, violent to keep bad, dangerous, violent people away from law abiding people. that's the separation. that's the service prison provides. so i don't care. i don't care if some murderer has had developmental trauma. i don't care if they're messed up inside. that shouldn't be a mitigating . the only question mitigating. the only question for how long someone should be in prison for is, are they a danger to society? >> i mean, tom, the judge clearly believes in second chances, and a lot of people would argue that the prison system and the criminal justice

system and the criminal justice system should be about rehabilitation, particularly for 12 years. people who commit crimes at 12 years old, however, he nurse. so surely there is a case. there is a case for giving children a second chance. if they do is a case. >> if someone has had developmental challenges that mean they haven't developed the right parts of their brain to know compassion or to control angen know compassion or to control anger. that, to me, is a reason to keep someone in prison for longer if they've murdered someone. not not shorter. >> not to sound like a bleeding heart liberal, but perhaps he could learn those things. perhaps, given appropriate care, he could become a better person. however, as we know from reoffending rates, it's not always the case, is it ? and they always the case, is it? and they do get to keep their anonymity. do you think that's right? do you think that's right? james bulger's killers didn't get to so many so many different issues here. >> anonymity. the judge didn't wear a wig or a red robe because that would be seen as intimidating. it was held in the smallest courtroom in nottingham

because a larger courtroom with more people would have been intimidating for the murderers. seems like an awful lot of thought has gone into making sure the murderers feel very comfortable. >> yes, and i'm sure the family of the victim are absolutely devastated, anyway, we're going to turn our attention to politics. we will get to some of your views on that sentencing, because you have a lot to say. but overnight, the prime minister held his first meeting with former president trump in a bid to build relations with the republican nominee before, of course, the upcoming us election. >> well, keir starmer shared a two hour dinner in new york with president trump, who praised the prime minister as popular, saying he's very nice and ran a great race such a way with words . great race such a way with words. >> does donald trump have very nice the reading age of a two year old. very nice, very nice. we're now joined by the editor of spiked, tom slater, to talk a little bit about this. it all sounds rather cosy. we do know in the past keir starmer hasn't been forthcoming with praise on donald trump, but i guess he has to get on with it now. >> no, absolutely. and the idea

of the two of them having a two hour dinner in trump tower, you know, if only you could fly on the wall. one of them are deeply unpopular, divisive politician mired in sleaze scandals and the other one being donald trump. but it's, it's a it's a fascinating kind of combination of characters , because, as you of characters, because, as you say, not only is keir starmer a much more kind of technocratic person, certainly less of that common touch. arguably, it's also the fact that he has had a long record, as have many other labour frontbenchers, of dissing donald trump effectively. keir starmer has previously previously said that trump lacks a sense of humanity and dignity. he's questioned what planet he was on at various points , was on at various points, referred to his political tactics as divisive and undemocratic. and also joining them at that dinner was david lammy, who most famously has referred to trump previously as a woman hating, neo—nazi, sympathising sociopath. so i think what we're kind of being reminded here is that the labour party have engaged in a bit of kind of, i suppose, student politics, where international

figures have been concerned previously, where they can just sound off without having to think about the diplomatic consequences, and then now having to wind that back in very quickly. >> it's fascinating because it wasn't that long ago that, keir starmer was ridiculing boris johnson for his relationship with donald trump. i mean, it is interesting. this is the most remarkable about farce that, suddenly now that they're in government, all of these labour politicians have a very, very different line to take on the man who could be the next us president. >> no, absolutely. and of course, on the one hand, we shouldn't have politicians who are concerned about raising disagreements with world leaders just because someone's president of the united states. and so on. but obviously, there is a way in which the game is played. and i think in recent years, we've had particularly politicians from the labour party think that they can just sound off to their own base rather than take those issues into concerns. it's just something a bit unserious about it as much as anything. i think it as much as anything. i think it also kind of speaks to the fact that a lot of this

rhetoric, i think even they knew deep down that this wasn't the kind of character that they were deaung kind of character that they were dealing with. i don't think david lammy genuinely thought last night that he was meeting a neo nazi sympathising sociopath . neo nazi sympathising sociopath. but it's been the nature of our politics in recent years that politicians, even though, would present themselves as from the kind of sensible, moderate, centrist wing of politics, have been engaged in a kind of anti—populist hysteria which they're now having to wind back in very quickly. >> yeah, there's been a whole lot of hyperbole, i must say, from all sides. but yes, david lammy is a particular offender, isn't he? i wonder what you make of this as well that we've heard from the us trip. keir starmer making a little joke about the whole lord alli row over the penthouse at this wall street investor meeting this summit saying saying i'd like to pretend this is my apartment to welcome you to. ha ha ha . welcome you to. ha ha ha. referring to the uk consul general's residence in the in new york, it's interesting, isn't it ? is it? is it is it

isn't it? is it? is it is it a laughing matter ? laughing matter? >> well, i think if keir starmer was a more gifted joke deliverer, maybe he would have gotten away with it. but i think it just adds to the sense that the labour party aren't listening. and also i think almost at this point the issue is less the hypocrisy, it's more the sense of entitlement that has crept in. it's almost like, how dare you challenge us? we're not. you've got to remember, we're not the tories. we're not those horrible people. we're the good people. and therefore whatever freebies and you know , whatever freebies and you know, bonuses that come with the job, we deserve them , whereas those we deserve them, whereas those other lot don't. and i think that's the thing that now that we've seen with this joke, with the various interviews that he's given, he doesn't seem to get why people are upset. and i dare say jokes like this will add to that sense. >> yeah. so stark as well, given that he completely ignored the issue in his conference speech only a couple of days ago. didn't mention it at all. to the surprise of some people. and now he's joking about it with a lot of bankers in new york city. well, there we go. tom slater, editor of spiked, really

appreciate your time, as always. good to see you. >> yes, he probably thought it would go down well with the us business chiefs , the bunch of business chiefs, the bunch of bankers who would all go down very nice, very nicely. ha ha ha ha ha. >> yeah. strange that he didn't sort of reference it or try and sort of reference it or try and sort of reference it or try and sort of move past it in his speech, sort of because it this, it's the vacuum that has allowed this story to grow and grow and grow. it does seem that the number 10 operation perhaps hasn't quite found its feet yet. >> yeah. and it is embarrassing for keir starmer to have the likes of harriet harman going on.the likes of harriet harman going on. the media and saying essentially that keir starmer should , should find a way of should, should find a way of paying should, should find a way of paying for these things himself . paying for these things himself. that's got to be awkward. i mean , that's got to be awkward. i mean, that's got to be embarrassing. anyway, this is good afternoon britain on gb news. we've got lots more coming up on today's show. now, the government has been complaining for so long now about this £22 billion black hole. yet today we learned that the chancellor may actually manage to change the rules , do

manage to change the rules, do a bit of creative accounting to allow her to borrow £50 more. go figure . how does that

>> good afternoon britain. it's 10 to 1 now. the chancellor, rachel reeves, is reportedly hoping to free up as much as £50 billion to invest in big scale projects, finding this extra borrowing from changing the rules. this comes after months of complaining about a £22 billion black hole. >> so how on earth does this add up? okay let's speak to head of lifestyle economics at the institute of economic affairs, christopher snowdon. christopher, thank you very much indeed. now, the government have been banging on about this £22 billion financial black hole that they inherited from the conservatives. now, through some kind of creative accounting, it seems we may have another £50 billion to spend. what's going on, >> it depends on what you do with the various bits of the

books. you can move things around. you can say that this is, you know, an exception from the rules that jeremy hunt introduced. i mean, these rules are arbitrary. they can be changed. all that really matters is that you don't have a run on the pound and a big scare in the bond markets, which is what happened with the mini—budget of liz truss, famously , but, you liz truss, famously, but, you know, governments can keep borrowing lots and lots of money. >> the bank of england potentially can keep printing lots of money. i don't think it's planning to at the moment, but, you know, these rules were set by jeremy hunt because if you're going to borrow lots of money, you need to at least pretend that you're going to pay it back at some point or at least reduce how much you're borrowing. the reality is, we've been borrowing £120 billion the last three years for no obvious reason. i think reeves can probably argue that she would like to borrow more for investment. it might be the gb energy, it might be some of the net zero stuff, as you can say. well, that's different. it's investment. i think the point is we should only be borrowing for investment. we shouldn't be borrowing for day to day spending, which is what we've been doing. and incredible scale

for many years now . for many years now. >> so really what matters here is that the bond markets believe that the debt is good, that it will be paid back , but the will be paid back, but the cunous will be paid back, but the curious thing is that that is, to some extent more about messaging than it is about the actual numbers or the policy. it's all based on vibes to some extent. liz truss , whose tax extent. liz truss, whose tax freezes and cuts totalled 45 billion. well, last time i checked, 45 billion is a smaller number than 50 billion. that that now reportedly rachel reeves will be borrowing. but rachel reeves can add 50 billion to the debt each year, so long as she sounds sensible about doing it. >> yeah, and in particular, as long as the obr says that this is affordable in the long term. one of the big mistakes of the premiership is that they ignored the obr. they kind of tried to sideline the treasury and the bank of england. and so the messaging that came out was, was really negative . and people were

really negative. and people were basically betting against britain. they they people thought that, you know, some lunatics had taken over. we don't know what's going to happen, you know. so yeah, it's very much about messaging the actual amounts, you know, that were involved in the in mini—budget, even if the estimates have been correct and they turned out to be huge overestimates. we're not that not that enormous. it's just the way they went about it and the message was we're going to keep on cutting taxes and we're going to keep on borrowing to pay for these tax cuts. that's what spooked the markets. it was very largely about messaging. >> well we'll see. we'll see what happens. whether she is able to find this 50 billion and continue to borrow to invest. thank you very much indeed. christopher snowdon from the institute of economic affairs . institute of economic affairs. thank you for your time. er yes. >> there are risks of this, of course though, because it's not just about will there be a run on the pound or will there be confidence collapsing? i mean, if you borrow more , the cost of if you borrow more, the cost of your debt can start to rise and that can keep interest rates higher for longer. yeah, indeed. >> we could have interest rates

higher for longer if we borrow too much. but there you go 50 billion. that's all right. liz truss tax rises. not all right. bad vibes . bad vibes. bad vibes. bad vibes. >> vibes based politics. there we go. >> anyway, we're going to be back outside nottingham crown court as britain's youngest knife murderers are handed life sentences. but with a minimum term of just eight and a half years, that . next. years, that. next. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> time for your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. after some very heavy rain in the south this week, it looks a lot drier for most places out there today. pretty chilly in a brisk breeze with some sunny spells and a few showers. this low pressure brought all the heavy rain yesterday and last night. still across the far south—east. this morning , but it's pulling away morning, but it's pulling away and allowing the winds to come down from the north. quite a brisk wind blowing along these nonh brisk wind blowing along these north sea coast, bringing a real chill and a few scattered showers. showers across northern scotland, 1 or 2 dotted around

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gb news. >> good afternoon britain. it's 1:00 on friday the 27th of september. i'm emily carver and i'm tom harwood. britain's youngest knife murderers have been sentenced. a pair of now 13

year old boys have been sentenced to life , with sentenced to life, with a minimum of eight and a half years in prison for the brutal murder of 19 year old sean seesahai in 2023. we'll bring you the latest from nottingham crown court. >> and when keir met donald, yes, the prime minister and former president shared an intimate two hour dinner last night atop trump tower. not too long ago, starmer bashed boris johnson's close relationship with trump. is he now trying to emulate it? >> and creative counting? the government has complained of a £22 billion black hole for months, haven't they? yet today we learn chancellor rachel reeves may change the rules to borrow £50 billion more. how does that add up ? does that add up? >> and in the next hour, benjamin netanyahu will address the un general assembly. the israeli prime minister has frustrated u.s. israeli prime minister has frustrated us. officials this week by sending mixed messages over accepting a us led proposal for a 21 day ceasefire. we're going to have the very latest on

this escalating situation . this escalating situation. >> lots of you have been getting in touch about this sentencing of these two child killers, just 12 years old, when they killed a man with a machete and 19 year old man in a park in wolverhampton. lots of you complaining about how liberal the judge was, in your view, just a minimum of eight years, six months. they could be out by the time they're 20, 21, 22. around that time. >> and also some question marks here over how the judge was referencing one of the murderers dyslexia as a mitigating circumstance , as if not being circumstance, as if not being able to read as quickly as anyone else is a reason you should have a mitigation for murder. a bag lady says, i'm sure that's not her first name, so we have to fear dyslexics in

those diagnosed with adhd in case they're carrying knives. well, apparently that's the implication. >> well , also, the second >> well, also, the second defendant, the one who she said may have dyslexia, she also said about him that he is physically mature for his age. he has a maturity beyond his years. he's of good character. he's shown remorse. so i'm not really sure why dyslexia is particularly relevant. the first defendant clearly had an awful upbringing. i think that's pretty clear from what we've heard from the judge there. a particularly vulnerable victim of modern slavery, very young for his age, developmentally. but it's interesting with these completely different backgrounds, that they should have the same sentence. >> and yet terry raises a very good point. boy number one, the one with all of these challenges, with all this developmental trauma, he was known by the police to be a knife carrier, never arrested , knife carrier, never arrested, never charged. terry says questions need to be asked there. could this have been prevented? yeah. >> and stuart worries they'll just get hardened in in custody and they won't be rehabilitated .

and they won't be rehabilitated. well, that is a question. we know how bad reoffending is , but know how bad reoffending is, but please do keep your views coming in gbnews.com/yoursay. but let's get the headlines with tatiana . get the headlines with tatiana. >> emily, thank you very much. the top stories this hour as you've been hearing britain's youngest knife murderers , who youngest knife murderers, who were aged just 12 when they killed shawn seesahai with a machete, have both been sentenced to life with a minimum term of eight and a half years. the killers were convicted in june of murdering the 19 year old, who was stabbed in the heart and suffered a fractured skull in november last year in wolverhampton. now they are the youngest convicted murderers in the uk since jamie bulger's killers robert thompson and jon venables back in 1993. let's listen to what chief superintendent of west midlands police kim madel, had to say. >> his family are understandably heartbroken and mourning their

beloved son. and our thoughts and sympathies will remain with them . today's sentence can never them. today's sentence can never make up for sean's life being taken, but we hope it can bring some comfort to all those who loved him. sean was only 19 when his life was taken at the hands of two boys, then aged just 12, who had armed themselves with a machete. that reality has had a huge impact on us all. >> barristers representing alleged victims of mohamed al fayed say there are now 60 survivors and they have credible evidence of abuse at fulham football club. the former harrods and fulham fc owners accused of multiple sexual assaults after a bbc investigation published last week. a spokesman for justice for harrods survivors, a group of barristers representing the alleged victims, says there's been an enormous response to the investigation. their statement

also said there are more alleged victims to come . sir keir victims to come. sir keir starmer has called for israel and terror group hezbollah to agree to a ceasefire, saying escalation serves no one. speaking at the united nations general assembly, the prime minister implored the two sides to step back from the brink. sir keir also discussed the importance of a ceasefire deal with his lebanese counterpart. it concludes the keir starmer's three day trip to new york after attending the annual meeting of world leaders. it comes after the israeli prime minister said his nation's troops would keep fighting at full force, and that news of a potential ceasefire deal was not true. >> but the escalation serves no one. it offers nothing but more suffering for innocent people on all sides, and the prospect of a wider war that no one can control . control. >> benjamin netanyahu has since said negotiations on a ceasefire in lebanon will continue,

despite his insistence that the idf maintains its offensive against hezbollah. netanyahu's statement added that israel shares the aims of the us led initiative of enabling people along the northern border to return safely and securely to their homes. netanyahu is preparing to address the united nafions preparing to address the united nations today. an israeli airstrike , meanwhile, early this airstrike, meanwhile, early this morning reportedly killed nine people from the same family in the southern lebanese border town of sheba, including four children. meanwhile, israeli air defences say they intercepted multiple rockets over the northern city of haifa this morning. defence secretary john healey says it's a good sign that netanyahu's attending the un general assembly. >> it's good that the prime minister from israel is in the united nations today. >> he will hear about the calls from many countries, led by the united states and britain, for an immediate ceasefire in lebanon, 21 days in which the fighting should stop on both sides. that gives everyone a

chance to concentrate on the peace plan that is on the table that the israelis themselves say would allow them to get their citizens back into northern israel and the lebanese to return to their homes in southern lebanon. that's what we should all be working for. >> in other news, the first adults in england to be charged with riot following widespread disorder last month has been jailed for four years and four months. 32 year old kieran ushen months. 32 year old kieran usher, of sunderland, pleaded guilty after being filmed working with a group of at least 20 people to quote rain missiles onto attending police officers in the city. that coming from the crown prosecution service today. hundreds of people were involved in a night of violence on the 2nd of august, during which police officers were repeatedly attacked. a building was set ablaze and businesses looted . russell findlay has been looted. russell findlay has been elected as the new leader of the scottish conservatives. the msps

saw off competition from murdo fraser and megan gallagher in the battle to replace douglas ross. the announcement comes ahead of the uk conservative party revealing rishi sunak's successor on november. the second. >> i want to start by thanking everyone who put their faith in me. and thank you to every single member who voted for me and every sausage. sorry, sorry , and every sausage. sorry, sorry, every supporter who worked so hard for my campaign. and thank you. of course , to my fellow you. of course, to my fellow candidates and megan and murdo, who i greatly respect and value along with the rest of my msp colleagues. now everyone must come together as one united team. let us start the hard work right now to win back public trust . trust. >> and finally, more than 180 flood warnings and alerts are in place across england after days

of heavy rain forcing the closure of a motorway as drivers abandoned their cars. images posted on social media also showed tracks at a station in shropshire completely submerged. the met office says northern and central parts of england and wales have been hit the hardest, and now a weather warning for strong winds has been issued for sunday, which may cause disruption across the southwest of england and wales. disruption across the southwest of england and wales . and those of england and wales. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> well good afternoon britain. it is now 1:10. now, as we've heard, 213 year old boys have been sentenced to life with a

minimum term of eight years and six months after being found guilty of the murder of 19 year old sean seesahai in wolverhampton last year. >> well, the pair are the youngest convicted murderers in the united kingdom since jamie bulger's killers robert thompson and jon venables back in 1993. let's cross to will hollis outside nottingham crown court, where the sentencing took place. will this was a pretty profound moment and a brutal murder. >> yes. well, sentencing concluded just a few moments ago here at nottingham crown court. but the murder of sean seesahai took place on the other side of the midlands in the west midlands, in wolverhampton, where in a park in november 2023, sean was killed by those two very young boys who were only aged 12 at the time, and the killing made them the uk's youngest knife murderers and the uk's youngest killers since

robert thompson and jon venables. the case that is so memorable in british memory. 30 years ago, the killing of james bulger. this killing will stand out as well in british history because these two young boys, as i say, are the youngest knife murderers, particularly at a time when knife crime is so prevalent, particularly in the west midlands, which is now the uk's capital for knife crime. we heard on the steps of the court just shortly after sentencing the west midlands knife crime lead kim mardell. west midlands. west midlands police saying that knife crime is never acceptable. the shocking part of this is of course, the age of those two young boys who today , in handing young boys who today, in handing down that sentence for eight and a half years for both boys, mrs. justice tipples explained some of the mitigating factors. those are the factors that would are the reasons essentially for why

a why an offender would be given a why an offender would be given a certain sentence. and there are two defendants in this of course, two boys. and mrs. justice tipples highlighted that they are different boys with different backgrounds . one of different backgrounds. one of them, the defendant, she said, had been groomed and exploited. how he had been a victim of child criminal exploitation and that these factors reduced culpability. she described how the second defendant, another boy, had had some good family upbringings, had a close relationship with his mother, with his brother, and was not known to police differences from the first boy who was known to social services and was known to police and because of some of those mitigating factors, the boys today have been sentenced to eight and a half years in prison . prison. >> the crown court for us to bnng >> the crown court for us to bring us that. there is that

question that's coming up and it's coming up in the inbox as well. what about the parents? as a parent, you have responsibility for a child , responsibility for a child, don't you? or if you're a guardian, you have a responsibility for that child too. should there not be some kind of punishment or something for the parents who've allowed their child in some ways, to become that kind of person who would commit such a crime? >> you'd think, at the very least, some monitoring. >> well, perhaps. i mean, let us know what you think. do you think that the parents deserve to be convicted for being negligent , perhaps for not negligent, perhaps for not knowing, for bringing up a child to commit such a such an act. >> although then you get into the nature and nurture debate. could it be that there's just something fundamentally, genetically wrong in the head with someone who decides to kill someone? >> well, there we go. it's a debate, isn't it? we're going to move on because david lammy, keir starmer and donald trump walk into a bar sounds like the start of a joke, but it happened last night as the prime minister tries to build a relationship with the ex—president and

republican nominee. well, the trio had a two hour long dinner in new york before the prime minister and foreign secretary flew back to the united kingdom. >> keir starmer said it was good that he got the opportunity to meet the republican nominee , and meet the republican nominee, and trump returned the compliment, saying he thought starmer was very nice and ran a great race. >> gosh, very vague. we're joined by katherine forster, our political correspondent. this two hour dinner, i wonder what was on the menu. i wonder what was on the menu. i wonder what was on the menu. i wonder what was on the menu . was on the menu. >> oh, to have been a fly on the wall in that meeting. hey. yes, two hours in trump tower . david two hours in trump tower. david lammy, the foreign secretary and the prime minister. now sir keir starmer himself has been very critical of donald trump in the past. he accused him previously of peddling, the politics of hate and division. and david lammy went even further. previously said that trump was a

neo—nazi sociopath , a racist, neo—nazi sociopath, a racist, kkk and nazi sympathiser. but how times have changed because of course they find themselves in office and the very real possibility that donald trump may be elected president again on november the 5th and come january 20th, he could well be president . so clearly they have president. so clearly they have to change their tune, because we do have a very, very important relationship with the united states. they are our biggest and most powerful ally by a very long way. so whatever differences that there clearly are and have been, they will be working very, very hard now to brush those all under the carpet. worth saying that labour have been working hard for months to build relationships with the republican party. karen pierce, the us ambassador, has been working to build

relationships on both sides, but this is significant because it is the first actual meeting. sir keir starmer rang donald trump after that first assassination attempt, but hearing the language, sir keir starmer saying how important it was to meet face to face, and donald trump on his absolute best behaviour last night. wasn't he telling our very own chris hope that he had to be nice , but that that he had to be nice, but that he thought the prime minister was a nice guy and had done really well to get a big majority and was very popular, but clearly, he hasn't seen the prime minister's popularity ratings lately because they have been falling through the floor. >> yes. very interesting. and very good of our colleague chris to be right there at the front, getting that question in. not a quick conversation with the former president, backwards and forwards and backwards and forwards and backwards and forwards of course, he also mentioned nigel farage saying that nigel should have won many

more seats. it seems that, donald trump is an opponent of the first past the post electoral system, a line i didn't think i'd be saying today. >> yes, indeed, it was quite curious, wasn't it? of course, the reform party won millions of votes and only ended up with five seats. they got more votes than the lib dems , who ended up than the lib dems, who ended up with 72. so the first past the post system, the way it works is certainly curious, but it was very strange what donald trump said, because he did at one point say that he'd won. i mean, it was almost like he implied that there was an even bigger sort of miscarriage of justice on this side of the atlantic. but of course, we know that he is very firm friends with nigel farage. they've been friends for a long time. we had that famous picture, didn't we, a couple of years ago, about the two of them grinning in the gold lift in trump towers, but i think number 10 will be delighted that they

have met trump . they won't care have met trump. they won't care that they haven't met kamala harris as much. they would have liked to have met her. but she's in washington talking with zelenskyy. but they're less concerned about their relations with the democrats, because that's the sister party they have more in common. they've already met president biden on several occasions . several occasions. >> well, thank you very much indeed, katherine forster, our political correspondent there, live from westminster. it's funny to hear from donald trump, such a, such an innocuous, harmless, sort of inoffensive comment when it came to keir starmer. nice. >> it's good. it reminds me of the of the old phrase in american politics, only nixon can go to china . sort of. if a can go to china. sort of. if a democrat had gone to china to meet the communists, everyone would be like you communist sympathiser. would be like you communist sympathiser . whereas nixon was sympathiser. whereas nixon was so ardently anti—communist, he could go and that would all be okay. in the same way. maybe only keir starmer. okay. in the same way. maybe

only keir starmer . starmer can only keir starmer. starmer can meet trump. if a tory had gone to meet trump, all of the pages would be oh, you trump sympathiser, oh you you. whereas whereas it's a bit, it's a bit. only nixon can go to china. do you think do you think maybe, maybe. >> anyway, the keir starmer freebie rail continues to rumble on, but it could be getting quite serious actually for the prime minister. yes. >> an article published by the guido fawkes website is now alleging that the prime minister may have potentially broken electoral law with his use of lord ali's soho penthouse. >> yes, this new allegation comes as the prime minister is under increasing pressure with the row that will not go away. i mean, labour grandee harriet harman has weighed in. she says the prime minister should find a way of paying for his own football tickets, which has got to be a bit embarrassing. bit embarrassing for keir starmer. >> it would be wise for him to actually find a way of paying, as ruth says, for the tickets himself. in other sorts of hospitality there, but not necessarily the director's box. i don't know enough about the insides of a football stadium to

know whether that's feasible or not. go but i don't want this to be the next row . when the be the next row. when the football regulations are going to be really, really important for our national game. >> i mean, it's clear that keir starmer doesn't believe he's done anything wrong, apart from perhaps the clothes which he said he won't take anymore. he won't take donations for clothes, but everything else he seems to think is fair play. >> well, this is interesting . >> well, this is interesting. let's let's talk with the barrister and writer stephen barrett, because stephen, this guido fawkes article is suggesting that it matters where you are living at the moment at which you sign your nomination papers. they cite a previous case to do with paul nuttall, a previous ukip leader who got into some hot water here. do you think there's a case to answer here? >> now, that is quite an old rule, tom. and i think what i should do is distinguish between sort of old rules and new rules, because what's happened since

this government came into office is that there are alleged rule breaching across the board on appointment of people to jobs, on declaring expenses and on other issues. this older rule goes back to the tradition that we will know where our politicians live, that they are somehow connected to the land. >> that's very, deeply important to us. >> when we got rid of the corruption that we had in our political process in the in the 17th and 18th centuries, we invented a system of, of not very many rules, but rules that we enforced quite strictly. and this is one of them. and if this has been breached , then that is has been breached, then that is quite a serious thing. it looks as though in the, in the proceeding in the case where somebody was sort of chased over this, if you use the address you used as a base during the campaign, then you can you can

escape , escape, sanction. but escape, escape, sanction. but the reason to distinguish between old and new rules, tom, is because i think we've got far too many new rules and nobody really knows what they all are. that's what happens when you create too many rules. if you just keep printing new laws and making new offences, then actually you'll just accidentally criminalise a whole bunch of people . are we having bunch of people. are we having a sophisticated relationship with rules because we removed an mp in 2019 over £700 misdeclared expenses now are we going to remove a prime minister? over, over declaring expenses if misdeclared if expenses have been misdeclared? what we need to have, tom, i think, is a system of consistent rules which are fairly applied to everybody. so you shouldn't really if you care about anything, don't really care about mr saqiya. because, you know, we've had four prime ministers in four years. he doesn't really matter. what matters is our country and

the system that we live in. and what we need to have is a system of rules that everybody knows in advance that we then apply consistently. and i think if this does develop into a major scandal and it's looking that way, then really the benefit to the country is not scalping a pm. it will be working towards a system of consistent rules that we all know that i'm sure that's true. >> but for keir starmer and his image and his popularity and the respect people have for him, he's always been a stickler for the rules. he's spoken about how his justification for all of these freebies. i mean, he seems to think there's absolutely nothing to worry about as long as you declare it as you should, as you declare it as you should, as long as you you know , write as long as you you know, write it in the right place, as long as you, you know, put the right amount and everything's correct and things. but is that really the point for the general public? >> well, i suspect that that is what the public feel, because, you know, this will be the very definition of hoist by your own

petard. i mean, they they have made a massive fuss over this for years and years and years. i mean, just to just to tell you and i've sort of sat here wondering, and i've always had to say, well, what do you think about an offence being committed is your personal political opinion. and that is true. but i think it perhaps is time that i say that maybe we've been a bit ridiculous over rules that really don't matter. there was an organisation that went around and hounded any right wing, think tank or organisation over its cookies policy and kept trying and threatening litigation over lie—ins in their cookies policy. now, that is just, i mean , look, okay, it is just, i mean, look, okay, it is a personal political opinion, but that is ridiculous . and we but that is ridiculous. and we can't it's not healthy to live in a society that's full of a bunch of rules that nobody knows. and all of a sudden you've committed an offence. most people are decent, good people. they don't want to commit offences. that's why if you want to, i actually think this links to mental health. i think it causes a lot of anxiety to live in a system where there's no rules. let me let me

in. let me take ofcom. you know, they claim to have an impartiality rule. they clearly don't because it's not being appued don't because it's not being applied in any way consistently across the board. you know, ed balls and yvette cooper interview being interviewed. what you know, let's go back. let's take stock and let's live in a society where we have clear rules that we all know in advance. and then we can consistently enforce them. and that's, i think, is much more important than what i see as, frankly, a transitory prime minister. >> wise words fewer, better rules. understandable rules. well, one can dream. stephen barrett, thank you so much for joining us. as always. >> we don't want anarchy. we don't want no rules. just simple to apply rules. simple to live by rules. >> i think i think someone someone once said if you wanted to print out every single law that we have in the united kingdom, you'd need you'd need rooms and rooms of sort of library shelves so no one human could ever could ever understand every single rule that we have to follow in this country. >> oh, well, i feel very ruled upon. anyway, we've got lots more coming up on today's show.

lawyers representing the alleged victims in the al—fayed sex scandal have now implicated fulham football club.

break. >> good afternoon, britain. it's 1:29 now. lawyers representing alleged victims in the al fayed sex abuse scandal have now implicated football fulham club no. fulham football club anyway. >> previously, fulham said the club remain in the process of establishing whether anyone at the club is or has been affected by the reports concerning mr al fayed. >> well, let's get more with our correspondent, cameron walker, because , cameron, this story because, cameron, this story just keeps growing. >> yeah, a lengthy statement from the lawyers representing the victims. and survivors this afternoon. they say they've fielded well over 200 inquiries and messages since the initial bbc investigation was made pubuc bbc investigation was made public into the alleged sexual abuse by by mohamed al fayed

even. sorry. and they say these inquiries coming from all over the world. this is very much global, not just in london. a number of the alleged offences took place in paris, for example, at at his villa there. but now they can confirm the lawyers that they are representing 60 survivors of al fayed abuse. so a huge, huge number there. and they also said last week when i was in the press conference that they expect anywhere that mohamed al fayed went that abuse would follow and they say this afternoon that sadly, this has proven to be true. we are now in the possession of credible evidence of abuse at other al fayed properties and businesses , fayed properties and businesses, including, as you said in your introduction, fulham football club. now fulham football club, has released a statement this afternoon where they say we remain in the process of establishing whether anyone at the club is or has been affected by the reports concerning mr al fayed. in the meantime, should any person wish to share information or experiences on this matter, they may contact the club. this is clearly not

just about mr fayed here because although he died last year at the age of 94, there appears to be a number of associates. lawyers are seem to be suggesting that could well have questions to answer. notably the general medical council is investigating two private doctors who used to work for mr fayed, who allegedly carried out intrusive and unnecessary sexual health screenings on mr fayed's victims before he abused them. that's just one example. there's also allegations against security guards locking doors behind victims so they couldn't escape. so it appears this is just the beginning of the litigation. >> by the sounds of it, absolutely prolific in his abuse of women over over many years. and as you say in so many different locations with regards to fulham football club, is the much of a cover up, but just how th.fulham ctims felt 11: ww” much of a cover up, but just how th.fulham football_t 11: ww” allegation that he was abusing much of a cover up, but just how th.fulham football club, ,,,,,,, much of a cover up, but just how th.fulham football club, is ,,,,,,, much of a cover up, but just how th.fulham football club, is the "z" to fulham football club, is the allegation that he was abusing women at the club. or people or women at the club. or people or using that space in order to using that space in order to abuse women? what was going on? abuse women? what was going on? >> there's certainly no details , >> there's certainly no details , >> there's certainly no details, concrete details at the moment. >> there's certainly no details, concrete details at the moment.

it was we they were asked about it was we they were asked about it, the lawyers at the press it, the lawyers at the press conference last week where they conference last week where they said, we they seem to suggest said, we they seem to suggest that they had had allegations that they had had allegations related to fulham football club, related to fulham football club, but now they're in a position to but now they're in a position to confirm that those allegations have been and they found confirm that those allegations have been and they found credible evidence. and i quote credible evidence. and i quote about fulham football club. but about fulham football club. but as to the details, we don't have as to the details, we don't have that yet . that yet. >> so i suppose this is going to that yet . that yet. >> so i suppose this is going to be a story where any property, be a story where any property, anywhere in the world where mr anywhere in the world where mr al fayed was the proprietor, the al fayed was the proprietor, the owner, even associated with owner, even associated with there will be these stories. there will be these stories. >> absolutely. this was a very , >> absolutely. this was a very , >> absolutely. this was a very, very powerful man, tom, and it's >> absolutely. this was a very, very powerful man, tom, and it's the same kind of mo, isn't it, the same kind of mo, isn't it, of people such as jeffrey of people such as jeffrey epstein or harvey weinstein, a epstein or harvey weinstein, a powerful person with a lot of powerful person with a lot of money, with a lot of money, with a lot of connections. and the victims connections. and the victims were silenced, essentially. but were silenced, essentially. but a number of the allegations that a number of the allegations that the lawyers have been speaking the lawyers have been speaking about, both in the bbc about, both in the bbc documentary and in the press documentary and in the press conference and subsequent conference and subsequent statements, is just that not so statements, is just that not so much of a cover up, but just how much of a cover up, but just how

that the victims felt that the victims felt like they couldn't speak out at the time because they were allegedly threatened by either al fayed or his associates. >> and you can understand why i mean, the met had complaints from 19 women between 2005 and 2023. nothing happened, nothing happened. i mean, why would a woman bother coming forward and risk their career, risk their livelihood, risk their reputation if people say that they're lying and the like with such a such a powerful man, if the police don't even take it seriously, there are questions around potential corruption here, isn't there? >> yeah. and the crown prosecution service failed to prosecute mr fayed twice during his lifetime in metropolitan police presented him with evidence in 2008 and 2013, two separate cases . and a former separate cases. and a former detective of the met police has spoken to sky news in the last 24 hours. actually suggesting that around that, when fired, was in say

barristers representing alleged victims of mohamed al fayed say victims of mohamed al fayed say there are now 60 survivors and there are now 60 survivors and they have credible evidence of they have credible evidence of abuse at fulham football club. abuse at fulham football club. the former harrods and fulham fc the former harrods and fulham fc owners accused of multiple owners accused of multiple sexual assaults after a bbc sexual assaults after a bbc investigation published last investigation published last week. a spokesman for justice week. a spokesman for justice for harrods survivors, a group for harrods survivors, a group of barristers representing the of barristers representing the alleged victims, say there's been an enormous response to the alleged victims, say there's been an enormous response to the investigation. their statement also said there are more to come. investigation. their statement also said there are more to come. sir keir starmer has called for sir keir starmer has called for israel and terror group israel and terror group hezbollah to agree to a hezbollah to agree to a ceasefire, saying escalation ceasefire, saying escalation serves no one. speaking at the serves no one. speaking at the united nations general assembly, united nations general assembly, the prime minister implored the the prime minister implored the two sides to step back from the two sides to step back from the brink. it concludes the keir brink. it concludes the keir starmer's three day trip to new starmer's three day trip to new york after attending the annual york after attending the annual meeting of world leaders. it meeting of world leaders. it comes after the israeli prime comes after the israeli prime minister said his nation's minister said his nation's troops would keep fighting at troops would keep fighting at full force, and that news of a full force, and that news of a potential ceasefire deal was not potential ceasefire deal was not true . however, benjamin true . however, benjamin true. however, benjamin netanyahu has since said true. however, benjamin netanyahu has since said

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>> welcome back. this is good afternoon britain. now the tory leadership hopeful robert jenrick. he's been making quite a few headlines recently. but today he's set out plans to increase the deportation of illegal immigrants living in the uk fivefold if he ever becomes

prime minister >> yes, the member of parliament for newark and former immigration minister has also said he would end foreign aid and severely restrict visas to those countries who refuse to cooperate on returns with india and vietnam believed to be particular targets of this policy. >> well, we can discuss this further now with former immigration minister kevin foster. kevin, thank

nationals of those countries, this could have a real advantage because if we can easily return people , it can make us more people, it can make us more confident in actually granting visas to nationals of those countries where it's near impossible to return people, then you do have to consider in then you do have to consider in the process of granting visas or them being visa countries that that as part of it. so it's part of one making us more secure. and actually in the long run, making it for country nationals from other countries who genuinely want to come here and do what they say they want to do and then go home after perhaps a short holiday here, more able to do that. so this makes absolute sense. what rob is saying today. >> it is interesting, of course, because one of the reasons behind the rwanda deportation scheme is that countries like india and vietnam have been very reluctant to take back citizens that have arrived in the uk illegally. it seems bizarre that we haven't had a quid pro quo for accepting visas from these countries in the past.

>> well, there has always been some issues with some countries we deal with around around returns. i think the small boats issue is what's brought it very much in to sharp focus, but i think a lot of it is about making a clear decision as a government, particularly as a potential prime minister. that is what you will prioritise and then get the whole engine of government focused on it. i think that's probably what rob, based on his experience in the home office, is now looking to do and, you know, genuinely welcome it. then of course, even with these sorts of things being done, we should remember they'll still be countries where we cannot deal with. so for example, a sad syria. we're not going to be having too many discussions with that, with that regime where you'd still need a solution like rwanda for nationals from those countries. but it's absolutely right that if we say border security is our top priority, that we use the leverage we've got available, and that is going to mean things like free trade deals as well. >> i mean, kevin is the is the pledge to cut aid to countries like india if they don't take back failed asylum seekers, do

we even really give aid in the traditional sense to india and other countries like it? i thought that we sort of gave to money projects where we were hoping for a return in investment, rather than traditional sort of charitable aid. i mean, would that be the threat that we don't really invest in, in their economy in such a way? i'm not really sure. exactly. i don't think we give foreign aid in the traditional sense. >> no, we don't more certainly , >> no, we don't more certainly, one of the things david cameron did was to start to end aid, to countries that had space programmes and their own nuclear weapons programmes, which, you know, if you can afford those two, you really don't need money from us to fund basic needs of your citizens. so we that's probably more of a statement around, for example, countries in africa. but similarly there is visa sanctions. and remember having to use them against one country that was refusing to take back even its own criminals, very serious criminals, very serious criminals, due to be released from jail. the government concern wasn't particularly interested in taking them back, as we would have by the way, in

the same circumstance with a british citizen who had abused their hospitality in the way that that particular person had done, had done ours. and in that instance, you look at restricting visas, you do have to be determined to do that because, you know, we're talking about things like, students coming into the country, visitors, business persons, but again, it is that leverage as well as the you sound like you think this is a great idea , think this is a great idea, robert jenrick who obviously has proposed it. >> but of course , you've both >> but of course, you've both beenin >> but of course, you've both been in the home office. the conservative party were in government for 14 years. if this is such a wonderful idea and we've been being taken for a ride for years and years and years by accepting back our own foreign criminals when other countries refuse to do the same in a vice versa way. why on earth didn't you implement it when you were in government? >> well, it's certainly something i'd like to be more aggressive with. whilst as you say, rob's been in the home office as i've been in the home office, and i think we both see the need for a coordinated push

across government. and, you know, if people want to see something like that in happening now , then someone like rob is now, then someone like rob is the sort of person we want to see, you know, leading forward with it. but look , there is, of with it. but look, there is, of course, more we could have done. one of the lessons we have to learn from the scale of the defeat we had in july was that the public wanted to see us do more on immigration, and the border, and they don't just want to hear us talk about it or come up with a new slogan. what they want to see is come up with is real plans. and, you know, i'll be honest, i'm still undecided on the leadership. but i'd say this is a great intervention from rob today. >> okay, well, thank you very much indeed. kevin foster, former immigration minister, thank you very much indeed for your time. i mean, as a country, we've, we've dished out hundreds of hundreds of thousands of work visas , study visas, visitor visas, study visas, visitor visas, study visas, visitor visas to people from india. so surely there should be some kind of agreement when it comes to. >> yeah, i know india does failed asylum seekers and people back criminals. not as a rule. they don't have the sort of immediate sort of, yes, of course we'll take back a foreign

criminal sort of thing. it does seem that they're such a soft touch in so many examples of these international rules, we set ourselves the absolute highest standard of going above and beyond. and no one else reciprocates. >> i would say that robert jenrick is making the most noise. i would say he's making the most headlines, isn't he? he's pushing out these, these policy proposals like nobody's business. >> and yet it's only next week, when it's only a few days. now, when it's only a few days. now, when we'll see the four contenders all give their speeches in front of the tory party conference, and pretty soon we'll see who's won that race. it feels like it's been going on for a little while. it has. it also feels like not many people are that interested, >> he'll be hoping people are listening. lots more coming up on today's show. hurricane helen batters florida across the pond here. the met office issues 185 warnings for flooding. there seems to be bad weather everywhere

well welcome back. it is now 151 and we're going to have a little look in our inbox , because lots look in our inbox, because lots of you have been getting in touch, particularly about that sentencing of those two killers who were only 12 years old when they murdered a man with a machete. mike says, shut up, emily. oh, thank you very much, mike. you're in danger of letting your liberal do gooder side show through with regard to the feral toerag murderers. we all know that they will be model coddled for the rest of their miserable lives, and will never be any use to society as rehabilitation is a myth. while strong stuff from mike. i won't shut up though. >> i didn't know you had a liberal too good a side. well, clearly i do. >> yeah, compared to you, you're hang em and flog them. >> i think we've probably swapped roles we haven't normally the do gooder. >> yeah. he's normally the airy fairy liberal, isn't he . luke fairy liberal, isn't he. luke says no matter how old you are, it should be life for murdering someone just because they're children. they shouldn't not have that. they should change.

as well as naming them children or not. so you think they should be named? vera says as well. let's hope life means life for these two boys. it doesn't look like it will. it actually certainly won't. >> no, devere group says, why call it life ? why not call it call it life? why not call it how it is eight and a half years? >> yeah. lots of you had comments to say about what the judge was saying. she did talk a lot about mitigating circumstances. she spoke about adhd. she spoke about vulnerability in upbringing. she spoke even about dyslexia for the second defendant. and she spoke about how one of them, in particular, was making lots of progress in the secure custody accommodation that he's in and, you know, committed to doing well in his work and all of that. should that be taken into account? christopher says, listening to the judge, it's clear the whole law system regarding child killers needs tearing up and starting again . tearing up and starting again. she's on about mental health and adhd. they aren't going to be made better in prison, so they should be locked up for life. he was capable of buying a machete and using it. why not give a life sentence and see how they are? after 50 years strong stuff and christopher, well, martin

says the rights of burglars are placed above those of victims , placed above those of victims, and murderers are treated with kid gloves due to dyslexia or adhd. >> disgusting, in the words of martin. >> and, who is this? oh, sharon . >> and, who is this? oh, sharon. now, you brought up the question of parents about their whether they should be held responsible. you say parents should be responsible for their children's crime. the child should still get a sentence. so the suggestion there that perhaps parents of children who commit heinous crimes should be. well, something should happen. happen to them. i'm not sure what, though. can you be responsible for someone else's crime, even if they are your child? i don't know, i don't know currently you're not. so there you go , you're not. so there you go, >> i've got one more comment here saying that killing someone at 12 years of age indicates a psychopathic personality disorder, and psychopaths cannot be rehabilitated. rehabilitated? even they have no conscience, no remorse, no empathy. they're good at manipulating others. well, that's a strong line. i don't know, can can people with psychopathic personality disorder be rehabilitated? >> i don't know, i think once a

psychopath, always a psychopath. >> can't we sort of, you know, pump them with drugs to make them nicer or i think they can pretend they can mirror, they can pretend to be a nice person. but you'd never know if they had actually reformed or not. that's the point. >> up next, the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, is going to deliver a speech to the united nations. that's next. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar. sponsors of weather on . solar. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> afternoon. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. the weekend will bring quite a lot of fine and dry weather, but it will be pretty chilly to start with and more wet and windy weather is on the way for later sunday. that's coming from this area of low pressure behind me. we've got high pressure moving in at the moment. this low brought all the heavy rain and the flooding over the past couple of days. that's out of the way. we've now got northerly winds bringing a few showers, but quite a lot of fine and dry

weather. but northerly winds also bring a chill and it is going to be pretty cold overnight tonight. temperatures are going to dip down with these clearer skies across the heart of england and wales, well down to 3 or 4 degrees. that's in towns and cities. some rural spots may well dip to down freezing. on to saturday and yes, a chilly start, but by and large a fine and sunny one for england and wales. more cloud tomorrow for scotland and northern ireland. still a bit more cloud coming into parts of wales and southwest england. the odd shower . 1 wales and southwest england. the odd shower. 1 or 2 wales and southwest england. the odd shower . 1 or 2 showers into odd shower. 1 or 2 showers into north norfolk to start the day for northern ireland and scotland. quite a lot of cloud here too, but maybe a bright start across the borders. cloud and some outbreaks of showery rain across the bulk of scotland that will continue. so rain on and off over western scotland. but i suspect much of the east of scotland will brighten up a little through the day, with maybe a bit of brightness. the winds not as strong tomorrow as well, so with these lengthy spells of sunshine across england and wales, although we start pretty cold and temperatures by the afternoon will still be a touch below

average for the time of year, for the it'll probably feel a little bit average for the time of year, it'll probably feel a little bit warmer. certainly feeling a bit warmer. certainly feeling a bit warmer. certainly feeling a bit warmer than today. generally 11 warmer. certainly feeling a bit warmer than today. generally 11 or 12 in scotland further south or 12 in scotland further south and we might squeak up to 15 and we might squeak up to 15 celsius. and then on sunday, celsius. and then on sunday, again, a chilly start, but a dry again, a chilly start, but a dry start for most. and many start for most. and many northern and eastern parts will northern and eastern parts will stay that way . but down to the stay that way . but down to the stay that way. but down to the south and west, rain will be stay that way. but down to the south and west, rain will be marching in and winds. we have a marching in and winds. we have a met office yellow warning in met office yellow warning in place for those gusty winds place for those gusty winds spreading across parts of wales spreading across parts of wales and southwest england during and southwest england during sunday. bye for now . sunday. bye for now . sunday. bye for now. >> that warm feeling inside from sunday. bye for now. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb. weather on gb. news news

>> good afternoon britain. it's 2:00 on friday, the 27th of september. i'm tom harwood and i'm emily carver. britain's youngest knife murderer has

sentenced a pair of 13 year old boys, have been sentenced to life with a minimum of eight and a half years in prison for the brutal murder of 19 year old sean sza in 2023. we'll bring you the very latest from nottingham crown court. >> creative accounting. the government has complained of a £22 billion black hole for months. yet today we learn chancellor rachel reeves may change the rules to borrow £50 billion more. how on earth does that add up? >> and in the next hour, benjamin netanyahu will address the un general assembly. the israeli prime minister has frustrated u.s. israeli prime minister has frustrated us. officials this week by sending mixed messages over accepting us led proposals for a 21 day ceasefire. we're going to have the very latest on this fiery speech . this fiery speech. >> and is it time for horrified harry to hurry home in his latest stunt? the duke of sussex has visited a haunted maze. there he is. it comes as former prime minister boris johnson reveals he tried to convince the prince not to leave the uk back in 2020. how did that go ?

in 2020. how did that go? >> oh, and as we heard in the last half hour, there's been sentencing handed down to two

actually, this type of stunt is in the ethos of art, and i wonder whether they would appreciate such a thing to happen to their artwork. i'm not just van gogh. i'm not sure how. >> that's how the criminal justice system works. if you get 100 people to sign a petition, i'm not sure you can get someone off doing a crime. >> well, they had a lot to say about it. they thought it would be outrageous if they were sent to jail for such a thing. but this is art in action, in their view. >> this isn't just about a stunt where they throw soup over a painting. this is about particularly, i don't know so much about this anna person, but this phoebe person who i've actually been on a panel with in the past, i've met her and she just keeps on doing stuff after stunt after stunt. she blocks cars in the roads. she's turned up at keir starmer's family home. although now i suppose we don't know whether he and his family were actually at that home at that time, or borrowing a penthouse, but, but but but she just keeps on breaching orders and rules and it's hard to see how actually anything

will work other than physically putting her behind bars, because it's clear she's not going to follow any of the orders that have been given to her. any of the restraining orders or the restrictions that have been placed on her by courts in the past. >> she behaves like a little spoilt, entitled girl. >> just the law doesn't apply. >> just the law doesn't apply. >> i mean, why don't her parents just, you know, lock her in her room, prevent her from doing it? unless perhaps they support her in it? i don't know. anyway, gbnews.com forward slash. your say. is that justice then behind bars for chucking soup all over an iconic piece of artwork. anyway, let's get the news headunes anyway, let's get the news headlines with tatiana . headlines with tatiana. >> emily. >> emily. >> thank you. the top stories this hour. britain's youngest knife murderers , who were aged knife murderers, who were aged 12 when they killed shawn seesahai with a machete, have both been sentenced to life with a minimum term of eight and a half years. the killers were convicted in june of murdering the 19 year old, who was stabbed in the heart and suffered a fractured skull in november last

yearin fractured skull in november last year in wolverhampton. they're the youngest convicted murderers in the uk since jamie bulger's killers. robert thompson and jon venables back in 1993. let's listen to what chief superintendent of west midlands police kim madel, had to say. >> his family are understandably heartbroken and mourning their beloved son. and our thoughts and sympathies will remain with them . today's sentence can never them. today's sentence can never make up for sean's life being taken , but we hope it can bring taken, but we hope it can bring some comfort to all those who loved him. sean was only 19 when his life was taken at the hands of two boys, then aged just 12, who had armed themselves with a machete. that reality has had a huge impact on us all. >> barristers representing alleged victims of mohamed al fayed say there are now 60 survivors and they have credible evidence of abuse at fulham football club. the former

harrods and fulham fc owners, accused of multiple sexual assaults after a bbc investigation published last week. a spokesman for justice for harrods survivors, a group of barristers representing the alleged victims, say there's been an enormous response to the investigation. their statement also said there are more to come . also said there are more to come. sir keir starmer has called for israel and terror group hezbollah to agree to a ceasefire, saying escalation serves no one. speaking at the united nations general assembly, the prime minister implored the two sides to step back from the brink. sir keir also discussed the importance of a ceasefire deal with his lebanese counterpart. it includes sir keir starmer's three day trip to new york after attending the annual meeting of world leaders. it comes after the israeli prime minister said his nation's troops would keep fighting at full force and that news of a potential ceasefire deal was not true . benjamin netanyahu has true. benjamin netanyahu has since said, though, that negotiations on a ceasefire in

lebanon will continue , despite lebanon will continue, despite his insistence that the idf maintains its offensive against hezbollah. netanyahu's statement today added that israel shares the aims of the us led initiative of enabling people along the northern border to return safely and securely to their homes. netanyahu is preparing to address the united nafions preparing to address the united nations today, an israeli strike early this morning, meanwhile, reportedly killed nine people from the same family in the southern lebanese border town of sheba, including four children. meanwhile, israeli air defences say they intercepted multiple rockets over the northern city of haifa this morning. defence secretary john healey says it's a good sign that netanyahu is attending the assembly . attending the assembly. >> it's good that the prime minister from israel is in the united nations today. he will hear about the calls from many countries led by the united states and britain, for an immediate ceasefire in lebanon. 21 days in which the fighting should stop on both sides. that

gives everyone a chance to concentrate on the peace plan thatis concentrate on the peace plan that is on the table that the israelis themselves say would allow them to get their citizens back into northern israel. and the lebanese to return to their homes in southern lebanon. that's what we should all be working for now. >> two. just stop oil activists have been jailed for pouring soup over vincent van gogh's sunflowers at london's national gallery in 2022. well gb news national reporter charlie peters is at southwark crown court for us. charlie good afternoon. what more can you tell us? >> extreme, disproportionate and criminally idiotic. that's how mr justice hare described the mrjustice hare described the criminal damage that phoebe plummer and anna holland put on the priceless van gogh priceless sunflowers painting last year.

in that damage that they were convicted of earlier this year. now they were sentenced to 27 months and 20 months, respectively, and phoebe plummer gave a pre—sentencing speech in the courtroom, where she compared herself to a political prisoner. mrjustice, here interrupted those proceedings to say that they were deeply offensive. now, outside the court , there is a protest taking court, there is a protest taking place, a silent protest, where they say they are gathering on behalf of political prisoners. you can see a man just in front of us with a julian assange sign showing a wide range of views, being shown and displayed here. lots of people comparing the imprisonment of phoebe plummer and anna holland with martin luther king and julian assange and other people who were being described as political prisoners. now, two other people

were also sentenced here at southwark crown court earlier today. chiara sarti and daniel hall. they were given suspended community orders and some unpaid work after they were involved in a slow march protest. earlier last year. that's all of the proceedings that took place at southwark crown court . southwark crown court. >> charlie, thank you very much. that's gb news national reporter charlie peters there for us. thank you. in other news, russell findlay has been elected as the new leader of the scottish conservatives. the msp saw off competition from murdo fraser and megan gallagher in the battle to replace douglas ross. this announcement comes ahead of the uk conservative party revealing rishi sunak successor on the 2nd of november. >> i want to start by thanking everyone who put their faith in me. and thank you to every single member who voted for me . single member who voted for me. and every sausage. sorry sorry.

every supporter who worked so hard for my campaign and thank you, of course, to my fellow candidates megan and murdo, who i greatly respect and value along with the rest of my msp colleagues. now everyone must come together as one united team. let us start the hard work right now to win back public trust . trust. >> and more than 180 flood warnings and alerts are in place across england after days of heavy rain forcing closures of a motorway as drivers abandoned their cars. images posted on social media also showed tracks at a train station in shropshire completely submerged in water. the met office says northern and central parts of england and wales had been hit the hardest and now a new weather warning for strong winds has now been issued for sunday and those strong winds may cause further

disruption across the southwest of england and also across wales . of england and also across wales. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:11 now the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, is set to address the un general assembly shortly as conflict in the middle east continues to escalate. >> yes, despite initial optimism that israel shared the aims of the us led ceasefire proposal, a government statement on thursday confirmed that the prime minister had not even responded to it. >> and all this comes as

netanyahu ordered the israeli military to keep hitting hezbollah at full force in lebanon, with airstrikes, having killed more than 630 people in the country since monday. >> okay. well, for more on this, we're joined by gb news home and security editor mark white. mark, this speech to the united nations, clearly very important indeed. very controversial. what's been going on? there was talk of a ceasefire then. there wasn't talk of a ceasefire. where exactly are we? >> well, no ceasefire is yet . >> well, no ceasefire is yet. and remember, there's an imperative as far as israel is concerned. now, as they've stated this as one of their war goals is to get those northern israeli communities back into their homes . israeli communities back into their homes. for a year now, virtually 70,000 people have been living in haifa and other cities evacuated from their communities on the border with southern lebanon because of all of these rocket attacks and drone attacks that have been

coming over from the hezbollah terror group . now, of course, terror group. now, of course, the conflict in gaza is one thing. and that was, of course, sparked by the terrorist attacks on the 7th of october last year, which then resulted in israel going in to deal with hamas. which then resulted in israel going in to deal with hamas . but going in to deal with hamas. but virtually the next day after that terrorist attack, hezbollah started firing rockets, missiles and drones into israel. and since october of last year, more than 9000 of these projectiles have gone into israel. israel said enough is enough, and that's why they are dealing with hezbollah at the moment. but the real concern has been benjamin netanyahu prepares to address the united nations is that we are heading down the road of an escalating crisis that turns into a regional war. that's everybody's fear. and for our audience, who might think that's audience, who might think that's a middle east crisis far away, we shouldn't worry about that. we don't care about that. we

should care about that because our military is going to have to be involved initially in evacuations, but also potentially dealing with, as we saw, earlier this year with a huge missile attack from iran and other proxies on israel trying to take down those projectiles as they head into israel. so in danger. and that's not even to mention the houthis attacking all of the shipping in the red sea and the gulf of aden. it's an absolute mess that nobody wants to see escalate any further. and that's why, of course , there is tremendous course, there is tremendous pressure now on benjamin netanyahu to sign up to this ceasefire deal . ceasefire deal. >> it is, of course, a concerning situation when we look at the state of the world economy right now, when we look at the cost of energy, when we look at the supply lines that are that have to get around this part of the world, if they're

going to get from east asia to the united kingdom in any short space of time , what is the real space of time, what is the real risk here that this spills over beyond for tat rockets and rockets to something that is much, much larger to a to a full scale war? >> there is a real risk and a lot of it depends on what hezbollah intends to do when they can get themselves organised again . hopefully we organised again. hopefully we can bring you some live pictures looking into southern lebanon, the town of tyre in southern. we don't have those images as yet, but we can show you, the israeli military on the northern border in israel, the tanks preparing to go into southern lebanon , if to go into southern lebanon, if thatis to go into southern lebanon, if that is what the israeli commanders deem is appropriate at the end of the day, those hundreds of tanks now massing on the border with lebanon because they've been able having

prosecuted a war in gaza for the best part of a year, that war, if not winding down, it's certainly in a phase where it's a bit more controlled from israel's point of view. they've been able to put some of their military resources further north to that border with lebanon. should the prime minister, the war cabinet, decide that a ground invasion is necessary? >> what do the idea and you hear this quite a lot that, if israel were to stop its activities in gaza, then hezbollah would stop firing rockets. and therefore, thatis firing rockets. and therefore, that is what israel should do. >> well, i think there's legitimacy to that argument. hezbollah has said that the rockets have been coming over in support of hamas. of course, the proof is in the pudding. if, you know, there was an agreement in ceasefire, a ceasefire in gaza, would they stop? the hope would be that they would. so of

course, that puts added emphasis on the need for a ceasefire in gaza. but in the first instance, they need some kind of cessation of the hostilities in northern israel as well, to stop this escalating into a wider regional conflagration . those shots conflagration. those shots you're looking at at the moment, that's the iron dome missiles in israel heading up into the sky, exploding to take out the rockets and the drones and the missiles, indeed, that have been coming over from hezbollah and associated groups in recent days. >> mark, thank you very much for bringing us all of that. we turn now to some breaking news. dame maggie smith has died in hospital on friday. her sons, chris larkin and tony, her sons, chris larkin and tony, her sons, chris larkin and tony, her sons, chris larkin and tony stevens said in a statement yes, we're just hearing this now. >> so she passed aged 89 on

friday peacefully in hospital early in the morning this morning, the statement goes to on say she is an intensively private person. she was with friends and family at the end. she leaves two sons, five loving grandchildren devastated by the loss of their extraordinary mother and grandmother. they go on to say, we'd like to take this opportunity to thank the wonderful staff at the chelsea and westminster hospital for their care and unstinting kindness during her final days. we thank you for all your kind messages and support and ask that you respect our privacy at this time. >> of course, generations will know the work of dame maggie smith. younger generations will remember her for her work as minerva mcgonagall in harry potter and of course, in the downton abbey series as well. but of course, her career was stretching back far, far beyond this century. she won academy awards for her films in the 1960s and 1970s. she won five

baftas, two oscars, four emmy awards, three golden globe awards, three golden globe awards and a tony award, as well as nominations for six laurence olivier awards . that is an olivier awards. that is an impressive accolade of recognition , and i struggle to recognition, and i struggle to think of any actress or actor who surpasses it. >> yeah, just looking at all of the different plays , films, the different plays, films, drama series , theatre drama series, theatre performances, all of her accolades. what a career, what a career . career. >> absolutely. people might remember her in a room with a view, or the prime of miss jean brodie. and of course, the more, the more recent work in in harry potter and downton abbey. so many, so many films , but also many, so many films, but also plays as well . a multi—talented plays as well. a multi—talented actress of stage and of screen, born in 1934, in ilford , essex,

born in 1934, in ilford, essex, on the 28th of december. >> this statement from her her children, from her two sons, just released that breaking news that she has sadly passed away in hospital. they ask for privacy at this moment, but they've shared their thanks for they've shared their thanks for the hospital and everyone that looked after her. >> well, ellie costello has been looking back at dame maggie smith's life . smith's life. >> maggie, one of the world's most famous and distinguished actresses. maggie maggie dame maggie smith was loved the world over. maggie smith was loved the world over . in an expansive career over. in an expansive career spanning seven decades, she starred in over 16 television series and films. >> go with god. crispy >> go with god. crispy >> but perhaps dame maggie smith was most famous for her starring role in the harry potter franchise as the formidable professor minerva mcgonagall. >> that was bloody brilliant .

>> that was bloody brilliant. >> that was bloody brilliant. >> thank you for that assessment, mr weasley. >> from 2010, maggie smith appeared as violet crawley, dowager countess of grantham in downton abbey. >> you're a woman with a brain and reasonable ability. stop whining and find something to do. >> the show became a cultural phenomenon with her character stealing practically every scene that she's in. who do you think i might have a drink? despite her popularity, dame maggie smith famously said that she never actually watched downton abbey herself, but she did have the box set, having received the highest achievement for film, television and theatre , television and theatre, comprising of two oscar awards, a tony award and four primetime emmys. in 1990, maggie smith was made a dame by queen elizabeth ii for her contributions to the arts. she received the companion of honour for her services to drama in 2014, she was married

twice and had two sons. the actors chris larkin and toby stephens . she actors chris larkin and toby stephens. she is actors chris larkin and toby stephens . she is survived two by stephens. she is survived two by five grandchildren, dame maggie smith will be remembered for her quick wit , her comedic timing quick wit, her comedic timing and being one of britain's most recognisable and much loved actresses . maggie actresses. maggie >> wow, that was the sad news and fairly shocking news as well. yeah, very sad indeed. >> mark white is still here in the studio and you were just saying to us while we were watching that, that you were just watching one of her films. >> yeah, a couple of hours to spare on a recent holiday, and i just, i came across it on netflix, actually, and i remember seeing the prime of miss jean brodie as a child and just, clicked on it, and it's just, clicked on it, and it's just the most incredible film she is . she's amazing in it as, she is. she's amazing in it as, this, teacher at an all girls

school in edinburgh. and, you know, it's all about her sort of unorthodox teaching methods for these young girls under her tutelage, my girls, as she would say in her edinburgh best edinburgh accent, even though she was from essex, but it was great and iconic and amazing and clever film that won her an oscar, i think won her an oscar. >> it came out in 1969. i was three years old. >> that's how old i am. >> that's how old i am. >> which, which which also suggests the spread of her career, just how many different generations of people the world over will have known. her work at different points in their lives? >> yeah. i mean , you know, >> yeah. i mean, you know, obviously we know her from downton abbey, and she was so formidable as a character in in downton abbey as well . everybody downton abbey as well. everybody look forward to the scenes that she was in. she stole those scenes because of her formidable acting talent . but, you know, acting talent. but, you know,

she was a great hollywood star as well. you've mentioned those harry potter movies, but the best exotic marigold hotel , she best exotic marigold hotel, she was in that. and the sequel, as well, quite a controversial character initially, because , character initially, because, you know, she was, an elderly woman in the uk, quite racist in her views about indian doctors, but then went to this retirement home in a hotel. that's the premise of the film. and softened and was a really loving character in that. as well. and of course, most recently, i remember seeing her in the lady in the van. which was another great show. you know , this great show. you know, this eccentric character that was just living in a van in a residential street in london, just completely bothering all her neighbours and being so incredibly funny to boot. yes. >> a number of comedy films and quartettes was another one where she played a one of four

musicians in a retirement home. a very funny film. >> i think it's clear she had a tremendous sense of humour, you know, and it's just her, her deadpan, dry delivery at times as well is just so incredibly funny in itself . funny in itself. >> yes, she did make you laugh, certainly. and i just i'm just refreshing my memory of her career here. she's been acting her entire life , starting in the her entire life, starting in the theatre and then, of course, moving to all of these fantastic films, quite incredible and drama series, of course, as well. thank you very much, mark, for, well, telling us, you know what? you will take from her? well, listen. fantastic career. >> it's incredibly sad, but you know, what a life. what an amazing woman. and someone that genuinely was known all around the world. >> well, mark, thank you very much. and to just repeat, that is the news that we have just learned in the last few minutes that dame maggie smith has died. >> yes . now that dame maggie smith has died. >> yes. now we're going to move on because 213 year old boys have been sentenced to life, but with a minimum term of eight years and six months that after

being found guilty of the murder of 19 year old sean seesahai in wolverhampton last year. >> well, the pair are the youngest convicted murderers in the uk since jamie bulger's killers robert thompson and john venables back in 1993. let's cross over to our reporter jack carson outside nottingham crown court. jack. the country will be shocked by this sentencing . shocked by this sentencing. >> well, in the last few moments we've had a statement from dorothea hodge, who's the uk representative from, from angela. now you'll remember that sean sees the high, that 19 year old that was brutally murdered in a wolverhampton park last year by these now 13 year olds, was only in the uk for six months. he'd come here to get an operation on a cataracts. now the family have released a statement reacting to the sentence that was handed down at nottingham crown court today. they say that whilst they

recognise that justice has been served in respect of the horrific murder of their beloved son sean, they say they are disappointed with the sentence. they say that no one hearing the detail of this case could have any feeling other than horror. they say that the family had hoped the sentence would reflect the abhorrent violence that their son was subjected to in their son was subjected to in the attack in which he was killed, and they recognised that young lives have been that they recognise that young lives have been changed, but they say that they have lost their son forever. they do not feel that the sentence represents the loss. they say they have suffered daily since their sons. sean's death . now, in the two sean's death. now, in the two day sentencing that we've had here in nottingham crown court, the court has heard how sean's family had to use their life savings in order to be able to repatriate their body. his body, back to the uk. they had to take out a loan to attend the trial and have unfortunately not been

able to travel again to see that justice served in person. they had to be up in the early hours of this morning to watch the sentence handed down via a video link. that sentence , as you were link. that sentence, as you were mentioning, is a life term with a minimum term of eight and a half years. the judge, mrs. justice tipples, talking about how, of course, that the intention of the murder here talking about how when you killed sean he was 19 starting out his adult life with everything to live for. the judge in her sentencing said i am sure you intended to kill him, but there are mitigating factors that meant that the sentence she handed down was reduced to eight and a half years as a minimum. she said that this was a spur of the moment attack. it was not premeditated and also talked about the extreme vulnerability that she said of the first defendant, which was handed to her in the sentencing and pre—sentencing report. now, the defendant had admitted in the

trial that they bought the weapon from a friend for £40 around a month before the attack. in her sentencing, the judge said that he had been groomed and exploited by others, as well as having very many adverse childhood experiences, including falling victim to exploitation by criminals in terms of the second defendant, she mentioned how they have a loving and supportive relationship with their parents, was not previously known to police during the trial. both had tried to blame each other for inflicting the fatal blow in that attack. we've heard detail of that attack and how horrific it was, but that sentence has been handed down today. britain's youngest knife murderers. >> well, jack carson, thank you very much for bringing us the very much for bringing us the very latest there from nottingham crown court. >> yes. hearing from the family of the victim clearly absolutely devastated that question over whether justice has been served, whetherjustice has been served, whetherjustice has been served, whether that sentence really

equates to the crime, the severity of the crime and the loss. >> of course, they'll be out aged 20. they could i should i should amend that. they could be out age 20 if they serve the minimum sentence , they will if minimum sentence, they will if that, if they serve the minimum sentence, they will be out before they are legally able to dnnk before they are legally able to drink alcohol. in the united states of america. yeah, yeah. >> and the loss of a life at just 19, we're going to move on because a category four hurricane helene , has made hurricane helene, has made landfall in florida with forecasters warning of a catastrophic storm surge that could be unsurvivable winds in excess of 140mph. >> and extreme flash floods are likely . as florida governor ron likely. as florida governor ron desantis confirmed, one person has died so far. >> well, here in the uk , we've >> well, here in the uk, we've seen some quite serious flooding up and down the country to find out more, we're joined by anna riley, gb news, yorkshire and humber reporter i mean, anna, i'm not sure if we can make a direct comparison between the

storm that's hitting florida, but i mean, seeing where you are, it looks like there's been quite a lot of damage done. perhaps >> good afternoon to you both. yes, i'm here in york, where the river ooze has overspilled. you can probably see i'm here in my wellies and it's over a metre above what it should be. i'll just step out of frame here. you can see there that is the root ooze bridge. and the water level has come up over a metre than it should normally be. according to the viking recorder, it should be at 1.8m. the river level is currently at 2.91. it's due to peak within the next hour . 3:00 peak within the next hour. 3:00 it's due to get to 2.97m, and then that water will slowly recede through the evening and into the early hours of the morning. it comes as part of multiple flood warnings, over 170 flood warnings and alerts

were issued today across england, and it comes as we've had that heavy rain throughout the week. it's caused disruption widespread across the country, not just in the north of england, but also in the midlands that saw wide disruption this morning, many commuters not being able to get to work because their trains were cancelled , and also the were cancelled, and also the part of the m5 being closed as well in gloucestershire due to the heavy rain and the floods that that's caused here in york, there's three flood alerts in place in the city centre and across spanning across the where the river ouse is in terms of impacts, you can probably see behind me as well. if i just step out of frame here, that's the king's arms pub you can see in the background there. you can probably see the signage at the bottom where the water has come up and the picnic tables where people sit out as well. they have been submerged by water. the waterfront pub next to it as well has just recently closed

because people , staff members as because people, staff members as well as customers are unable to get in and out from the front there. i'm next to the lowther here at the moment, where people still can get in. that business is still operating. i did speak to business owners here along this stretch of kings snaith, where the water has come up and they said it was still business as usual earlier on, and they said it's part and parcel for them. of trading and working so close to the river as it is known for flooding. when we get heavy rain, there are barriers in place. the foss barrier, the environment agency say, has been put up and flood alerts in place. people are being told to have a flood plan if necessary, but that heavy rain has stopped and in tomorrow, instead of wearing your umbrella or having a coat on, we're we're set for a cold snap. >> well, anna riley, thank you so much for bringing us that. and i hope that you haven't got to wet yourself. i hope those wellies are holding tight there in yorkshire.

>> yes, we did mention the scenes in florida as well. a little bit earlier. here we go. here's the latest pictures from from what is devastation in florida in some cases, ron desantis confirmed that one person has already died as a result of this particular storm. helene as you can see, water just spilling , spilling out just spilling, spilling out everywhere, huge winds spilling over the flood defences there. >> it's. yeah pretty, pretty tough stuff there. >> yeah , absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> let's hope everyone's listened to the evacuation orders there and, and, and that, casualties can be kept to minimum. >> well, yeah, it's a tropical category four storm, so very, very powerful indeed. let's hope most people have managed to get to safety, as tom says. but there's the pictures there that you can see from florida. >> well, this is good afternoon britain on gb news. lots more coming up on today's programme. >> yes. dame maggie smith has died at the age of 89. we'll have more on that as tributes pourin have more on that as tributes pour in after tatiana with the .

news. >> yes, indeed. >> yes, indeed. >> that breaking news that oscar winning actress dame maggie smith , best known for the harry smith, best known for the harry potter films and downton abbey , potter films and downton abbey, has died at the age of 89. her family released a statement saying she passed away peacefully in the early hours of this morning. she leaves two sons and five loving grandchildren behind who were devastated by that loss of their extraordinary mother and grandmother. two another top story today britain's youngest knife murderers, who were aged 12 when they killed shawn seesahai with a machete, have both been sentenced to life with a minimum term of eight and a half years. the killers were convicted in june of murdering the 19 year old, who was stabbed in the heart and suffered a fractured skull in november last yearin fractured skull in november last year in wolverhampton. they're the youngest convicted murderers in the uk since jamie bulger's

killers robert thompson and john venables back in 1993. barristers representing alleged victims of mohamed al fayed say there are now 60 survivors and they have credible evidence of abuse at fulham football club. the former harrods and fulham fc owners accused of multiple sexual assaults after a bbc investigation published last week. a spokesman for justice for harrods survivors, the group of barristers representing the alleged victims, says there's been an enormous response to the investigation. the statement also said there are more to come . also said there are more to come. and two just stop oil activists have been jailed for pouring soup over vincent van goghs sunflowers at london's national gallery in 2022. 23 year old phoebe plummer and 22 year old anna holland have been jailed for two years and 20 months respectively . now they threw two respectively. now they threw two tins of heinz tomato soup over the 1888 work, which is covered

by glass, before kneeling down in front of the painting and gluing their hands to the wall beneath it . and those are the beneath it. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now. there's more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts

>> good afternoon britain. it is 22 three now. the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, is set to address the un general assembly shortly, as conflict in the middle east continues to escalate. >> yes, we're now looking at live pictures in new york. we're waiting for benjamin netanyahu to address the united nations in the studio. is mark white with

us, our homeland security edhon us, our homeland security editor, mark. >> well, benjamin netanyahu is third up in terms of world leaders who will be speaking. remember, of course, last night it was the turn of our very own prime minister sir keir starmer, to make his speech. now, these speeches are normally 15 minutes or so. so this one is just ended. and i think clearly we've probably got another one. the trouble is with these speeches, although they're supposed to be 15 minutes when you're the leader of a country, you seem to think time limits don't apply to you, i hate to use the term windbag, but clearly world leaders feel that there are important issues that they want to impart to the world from whichever particular country and perspective they are speaking. >> i've always wondered if there's a sort of hierarchy here. if you're if you're the prime minister or president of a country with a pretty low gdp, do you sort of get less time

than one of the permanent five members of the security council? well, sorry , supposedly not, i well, sorry, supposedly not, i think is that that's not benjamin netanyahu, is it? oh i think i think it might be. it's a little bit too far away from my eyes, but let's let's just listen in and see if this might be the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, beginning his speech . his speech. >> order, please . >> order, please. >> order, please. >> what a lot of consternation in the hall. >> there . >> there. >> there. >> i think that tells you it is benjamin netanyahu . benjamin netanyahu. >> there is weeping, but perhaps was booing as well . of course, was booing as well. of course, the united nations has passed many resolutions against the state of israel . state of israel. >> it is, mr president , ladies >> it is, mr president, ladies and gentlemen . and gentlemen. >> i didn't intend to come here this year . my >> i didn't intend to come here this year. my country is at war,

fighting for its life . but after fighting for its life. but after i heard the lies and slanders levelled at my country by many of the speakers at this podium , of the speakers at this podium, i decided to come here and set the record straight . i decided the record straight. i decided to come here to speak for my people, to speak for my country, to speak for the truth . and to speak for the truth. and here's the truth israel seeks peace. israel yearns for peace. israel has made peace and will make peace again . yet we face

make peace again. yet we face savage enemies who seek our annihilation. and we must defend ourselves against these savage murderers. our enemies seek not only to destroy us, they seek to destroy our common civilisation and return all of us to a dark age of tyranny and terror. when ispoke age of tyranny and terror. when i spoke here last year, i said we faced the same timeless choice that moses put before the people of israel thousands of years ago . as we were about to years ago. as we were about to enter the promised land , moses enter the promised land, moses told us that our actions will determine whether we bequeath to future generations a blessing or a curse, and that is the choice we face today. the curse of iran's unremitting aggression, or the blessing of a historic reconciliation between arab and

jew . in the days that followed jew. in the days that followed that speech , the blessing that speech, the blessing i spoke of came into sharper focus. a normalisation deal between saudi arabia and israel seemed closer than ever. but then came the curse of october 7th. thousands of iranian backed hamas terrorists from gaza burst into israel in pickup trucks, on motorcycles , and they committed motorcycles, and they committed unimaginable atrocities. they savagely murdered 1200 people. they raped and mutilated women. they raped and mutilated women. they beheaded men. they burned babies alive. they burned entire families alive. babies, children, parents, grandparents . children, parents, grandparents. in scenes reminiscent of the nazi holocaust. hamas kidnapped 251 people from dozens of different countries, dragging them into the dungeons of gaza. israel has brought home 154 of

these hostages, including 117 who returned alive . i want to who returned alive. i want to assure you, we will not rest until the remaining hostages are brought home to, and some of their family members are here with us today. i ask you to . with us today. i ask you to. stand up. with us. with us is elie. stevie whose son dan was abducted from the nova music festival. that was his crime. a music festival . and these music festival. and these murderous monsters took him . murderous monsters took him. koby smyrna, whose son jonathan was murdered . and his corpse. was murdered. and his corpse. his corpse was taken into the dungeons, into the terror tunnels of gaza. a corpse held hostage , saleem al—atrash, whose hostage, saleem al—atrash, whose brother muhammad , a brave

brother muhammad, a brave arab—israeli soldier, was murdered. his body too was taken to gaza and so was the body of ifat heiman's daughter inbar, who was brutally murdered at that same music festival with us is sharon sharabi, whose brother yossi was murdered and who prays for his older brother elie, who is still held hostage in gaza and with us, too, is izhar, lifted from kibbutz nir or the kibbutz that was wiped out by the terrorists ? thankfully, we the terrorists? thankfully, we achieved the release of his mother yocheved, but his father was dead. is still languishing in an underground terrorist hell of hamas. i can promise you we will return your loved ones home. we will not spare that effort until this holy mission is accomplished . ladies

is accomplished. ladies and gentlemen, the curse of october 7th began when hamas invaded israel from gaza . but it didn't israel from gaza. but it didn't end there. israel was soon forced to defend itself on six more war fronts organised by iran . on october 8th, hezbollah iran. on october 8th, hezbollah attacked us from lebanon. since then, they've fired over 8000 rockets at our towns and cities, at our civilians, at our children. two weeks later, the iran backed houthis in yemen launched drones and missiles at israel. the first of 250 such attacks, including one yesterday aimed at tel aviv . iran's shiite aimed at tel aviv. iran's shiite militias in syria and iraq have targeted israel dozens of times over the past year as well, fuelled by iran, palestinian terrorists in judea and samaria

perpetrated scores of attacks there and throughout israel . and there and throughout israel. and last april , for the first time last april, for the first time even last april, for the first time ever, iran directly attacked israel from its own territory , israel from its own territory, firing 300 drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles at us . i have a message for the at us. i have a message for the tyrants of tehran. if you strike us, we will strike you. there is no place . there is no no place. there is no place in iran that the long arm of israel cannot reach. and that's true of the entire middle east. far from being lambs led to the slaughter. israel's soldiers have fought back with incredible courage and with heroic sacrifice. and i have another message for this assembly and

for the world outside this hall . for the world outside this hall. we are winning. ladies and gentlemen, as israel defends itself against iran in the seven front war, the line separating the blessing and the curse could not be more clear . curse could not be more clear. this is the map i presented here last year. it's a map of a blessing. it shows israel, israel and its arab partners forming a land bridge connecting asia and europe between the indian ocean and the mediterranean sea. across this bridge, we will lay rail lines , bridge, we will lay rail lines, energy pipelines, fibre optic cables, and this will serve the betterment of 2 billion people.

now look at this second map. it's a map . now look at this second map. it's a map. look at the now look at this second map. it's a map . look at the second it's a map. look at the second map. it's a map of a curse. it's a map of an arc of terror that iran has created and imposed from the indian ocean to the mediterranean. iran's malignant arc has shut down international waterways. it cuts off trade. it destroys millions. destroys nafions destroys millions. destroys nations from within and inflicts misery on millions. on the one hand. on the one hand, a bright blessing. a future of hope. on the other hand, a dark future of despair. and if you think this dark map is only a curse for israel . if you dark map is only a curse for israel. if you think that, then you should think again . because you should think again. because iran's aggression , if it's not iran's aggression, if it's not checked, will endanger every single country in the middle

east. and many, many countries in the rest of the world. because iran seeks to impose its radicalism well beyond the middle east. that's why it funds terror networks on five continents. that's why it builds ballistic missiles for nuclear warheads to threaten the entire world. for too long, the world has appeased iran. it turns a blind eye to its internal repression. it turns a blind eye to its external aggression. well, that appeasement must end and that appeasement must end now . the nations of the now. the nations of the world should support the brave people of iran , who want to rid of iran, who want to rid themselves of this evil regime. responsible governments should not only support israel in rolling back iran's aggression, they should join israel. they

should join israel in stopping iran's nuclear weapons program . iran's nuclear weapons program. in this body, in the security council , in this body, in the security council, we're going to have a deliberation in a few months. and i call on the security council to snap back u.n. security council sanctions against iran, because we must all do everything in our power to ensure that iran never gets nuclear weapons . for decades , nuclear weapons. for decades, i've been warning the world against iran's nuclear program. our actions delayed this program by perhaps a decade, but we haven't stopped it. we've delayed it, but we haven't stopped it. iran now seeks to weaponize its nuclear program for the sake of the peace and security of all your countries,

for the sake of the peace and security of the entire world. we must not let that happen. and i assure you , israel will do assure you, israel will do everything in its power to make sure it doesn't happen . so, sure it doesn't happen. so, ladies and gentlemen, the question before us is simple . question before us is simple. which of these two maps that i showed you will shape our future? will it be the blessings of peace and prosperity for israel, our arab partners and the rest of the world? or will it be the curse in which iran and its proxies spread carnage and its proxies spread carnage and chaos everywhere ? israel has and chaos everywhere? israel has already made its choice. we've decided to advance the blessing. we're building a partnership for peace with our arab neighbours while fighting the forces of terror that threaten that peace. for nearly a year, the brave men

and women of the idf have been systematically crushing hamas's terror army that once ruled gaza. on october 7th, the day of that invasion into israel, that terror army numbered nearly 4000 40,000 terrorists. it was armed with more than 15,000 rockets. it had 350 miles of terror tunnels and underground network, bigger than the new york subway system, which they use to wreak havoc above and below ground. a year later , the idf has killed year later, the idf has killed or captured more than half of these terrorists, destroyed over 90% of their rocket arsenal, and eliminated the key segments of their terror tunnel network. a major military operations . and major military operations. and major military operations. and major military operations. we destroyed nearly half of hamas's. sorry, nearly all of

hamas's. sorry, nearly all of hamas's terror battalions. 23 out of 24 battalions. now, to complete our victory, we are focused on mopping up hamas's remaining fighting capabilities. we are taking out senior terrorist commanders and destroying remaining terrorist infrastructure. but all the while, all the while. and i'll say this one more time, we remain focused on our sacred mission , bringing our hostages mission, bringing our hostages home, and we will not stop until that mission is complete . now, that mission is complete. now, ladies and gentlemen, even with hamas's greatly diminished military capability, the terrorists still exercise some governing power in gaza. by stealing the food that we enable , stealing the food that we enable, ad agencies, sorry, that we enable aid agencies to bring into gaza. hamas steals the food and then they hike the prices . and then they hike the prices. they feed their bellies and then

they fill their coffers with money that they extort from their own people. they sell the stolen food at extraordinarily exorbitant prices. and that's how they stay in power . well, how they stay in power. well, this too has to end. and we're working to bring it to an end . working to bring it to an end. and the reason is simple, because if hamas stays in power, it will regroup , rearm and it will regroup, rearm and attack israel again. and again and again, as it is vowed to do so. hamas has got to go .just so. hamas has got to go. just imagine , for those who say, imagine, for those who say, well, hamas has to stay. it has to be part of a post—war gaza. imagine in a post—war situation in world war two. imagine allowing the defeated nazis in

1945 to rebuild germany. it's inconceivable. it's ridiculous. it didn't happen then. it's not going to happen now . this is why going to happen now. this is why israel will reject any role for hamas in a post—war gaza. we don't seek to resettle gaza. what we seek is a demilitarised and de—radicalized gaza . only and de—radicalized gaza. only then. only then can we ensure that this round of fighting will be the last round of fighting. we are ready to work with regional and other partners to support a local civilian administration in gaza, committed to peaceful coexistence. as for the hostages, i have a message for the hamas captors. let them go. let them go. all of them . those let them go. all of them. those alive today must be returned alive. and the remains of those

whom you brutally killed must be returned to their families. those families here with us today , and others in israel today, and others in israel deserve to have a resting place for their loved ones. a place where they can grieve and remember them . this war. ladies remember them. this war. ladies and gentlemen , this war can come and gentlemen, this war can come to an end. now all that has to happenis to an end. now all that has to happen is for hamas to surrender, lay down its arms and release all the hostages. but if they don't. but if they don't, we will fight until we achieve victory. total victory ! there is victory. total victory! there is no substitute for it . israel no substitute for it. israel must also defeat hezbollah in lebanon. hezbollah is the quintessential terror organisation in the world today . organisation in the world today. it has tentacles that span in

all continents. it has murdered more americans and more frenchmen than any group except bin laden. it's murdered the citizens of many countries represented in this room. and it has attacked israel viciously over the last 20 years. in the last year, completely unprovoked. a day after hamas massacre on october 7th, hezbollah began attacks against israel, which forced more than 60,000 israelis on our northern border to leave their homes , border to leave their homes, becoming refugees in their own land. becoming refugees in their own land . hezbollah turned vibrant land. hezbollah turned vibrant towns in the north of israel into ghost towns. so i want you to think about this in equivalent american terms. just imagine if terrorists turned el paso in san diego into ghost towns. then ask