back at the we'll be looking back at the life and legacy of dame maggie smith. and as 213 year old boys are jailed for a minimum of eight and a half years for the machete murder of shawn seesahai aj, machete murder of shawn seesahai a], is it time parents were held legally responsible when their underage children commit violent offences? sir keir starmer met with donald trump yesterday , but with donald trump yesterday, but will the prime minister and foreign secretary's historic, uncharitable comments about the former president come back to haunt them? and patrick christys has sat down for an exclusive interview with a victim of the disgraced late harrods boss, mohamed al—fayed. looking ahead to tonight as the latest in a long line of sex abuse scandals allegedly involving the rich and famous, i'm asking can rich people simply get away with anything? and it's revealed that environmentally conscious gen z—ers are the worst for recycling. yes, really. just as two just stop oil activists are handed prison sentences for

vandalising van gogh's sunflowers is the gen z green dream dying out ? well, that's dream dying out? well, that's all to come in the next hour. remember to submit your thoughts to gbnews.com/yoursay. but before all of that, it's your very latest news headlines with lewis mckenzie . lewis mckenzie. >> so thank you, tom. good afternoon. it's 6:00 i'm lewis mckenzie here in the gb newsroom. multiple explosions have been heard in beirut after israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu vowed to keep fighting hezbollah in lebanon. these are live pictures of where the explosion just happened. the idf say they have conducted a precise strike on the central headquarters of hezbollah, embedded under residential buildings in the heart of the city. it's been reported that

hezbollah's leader, nasrallah , hezbollah's leader, nasrallah, was the supposed target of the strike. we'll bring you the very latest, as it happens . and latest, as it happens. and earlier on today, sir keir starmer called for a ceasefire in the region, saying escalation serves no one. speaking at the united nations, the prime minister implored the two sides to step back from the brink. sir keir also discussed the importance of a ceasefire deal with his lebanese counterpart. it concludes sir starmer's three day trip to new york after attending the annual meeting of world leaders , britain's world leaders, britain's youngest knife murderers, who were 12 years old when they killed shawn seesahai with a machete, have both been sentenced to life with a minimum term of eight and a half years. the killers were convicted in june of murdering the 19 year old, who was stabbed in the heart and suffered a fractured skull in november of last year.

they're the youngest convicted murderers in the uk since jamie bulger's killers, robert thompson and jon venables back in 1993. barristers representing alleged victims of mohamed al fayed say they are now 60 survivors and they have credible evidence of abuse at fulham football club. the former harrods and fulham fc owner is accused of multiple sexual assaults after a bbc investigation was published last week. a spokesman for justice for harrods survivors, a group of barristers representing the alleged victims, says there has been an enormous response to the investigation. one of al—fayed's alleged victims has spoken exclusively to gb news. >> he had this look in his eyes and i'll never forget it. it was like a monstrous i'm going to get what i want from you. you know, i don't care how you feel. and i do think because it was in

a public place. so to speak, he he would have gone further had he would have gone further had he could. i think he was worried somebody might come in or i might have started screaming or something like that. so he made his exit pretty quickly, and i think he would have definitely raped me if he'd had half the chance. 100%. >> and you can watch the full interview of that on patrick christys tonight from 9 pm. now. more than 180 flood warnings are in place across england after days of heavy rain. images posted on social media also show tracks at a station in shropshire completely submerged. the met office says northern parts of central england and wales have been hit the hardest . and some sad news the hardest. and some sad news for you now. dame maggie smith , for you now. dame maggie smith, known for harry potter films and downton abbey , has died at the downton abbey, has died at the age of 89. her family released a

statement saying she passed away peacefully in hospital early this morning. she leaves two sons and five loving grandchildren who are devastated by the loss of their extraordinary mother and grandmother. well, those are your latest gb news headlines. i'm lewis mckenzie. more from me in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> welcome to dewbs& co with me tom harwood. joining me until 7:00 is my panel firefighter and trade unionist paul embery and the former adviser to boris johnson, lord moylan. and of course you are involved in this programme to do get your views

in at gbnews.com/yoursay on all of the topics that we're debating and discussing this evening. but before we get into all of that, just as the show was starting, reports have begun to claim that lebanon's hezbollah leader hassan nasrallah was the target of the latest israeli strike on beirut's southern suburbs , and beirut's southern suburbs, and the israeli military is currently in the process of determining whether he, that is the leader of hezbollah was hit or not. all of that's according to israeli sources. it comes just hours after benjamin netanyahu said at the united nafions netanyahu said at the united nations that negotiations on a ceasefire in lebanon will continue, despite his insistence that the idf maintains its offensive against hezbollah. we're looking at live pictures now from beirut. let's go live to our homeland security editor, mark white, to learn what has happenedin mark white, to learn what has happened in the last hour or so. mark >> well, a very significant

development with a series of multiple explosions which the israeli defence forces confirmed was aimed at targeting the hezbollah terror group's command and control centre , buried deep and control centre, buried deep underground under a residential area in southern beirut, the lebanese capital, a hezbollah stronghold. that has resulted in the collapse of multiple residential buildings down into the crater created by these. we're told, bunker busting bombs, which range anything from 5000 to £30,000 and are designed to penetrate deep into the ground , up to 30m to go after ground, up to 30m to go after these underground command centres. so it was a series of explosions that happened just after 6 pm. local time in the lebanese capital. there are

reports of very significant civilian casualties in the area as well, given that this was under a residential complex. now we understand that the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, gave the go ahead for this strike while he was in new york. of course, addressing the united nations security, the united nations security, the united . that israel would united. that israel would not stop its efforts to try to ensure that hezbollah can fire no more missiles, drones, and indeed rockets into northern israel. they want to return the 70,000 residents of northern israel back to their homes. they have been displaced in other parts of israel for up to a year now. as you mentioned in your introduction , there are sources

introduction, there are sources suggesting that the hezbollah leader, hassan nasrallah, was the target of this coordinated airstrike. there are, as we are continuing to look at the images from the scene of what is a frantic rescue effort, the very latest news that we're now getting through from the reuters news agency . quoting a source news agency. quoting a source close to hezbollah, said that the leader of the terror group hezbollah, hassan nasrallah , is hezbollah, hassan nasrallah, is alive. that's the only information that reuters is putting out so far. quoting a source close to hezbollah saying that hassan nasrallah is alive . that hassan nasrallah is alive. but of course, as you're seeing from those pictures, there are the devastation in that area of southern beirut. many others tonight are not alive. >> well, mark white, thank you so much for that report. as and when we can confirm anything

with regards to the status of the leader of hezbollah. we'll be back with you. of course. thanks for joining be back with you. of course. thanks forjoining us. now, earlier today, back in this country, we got the sad news that the legendary actress dame maggie smith passed away aged 89. dame maggie began her career in the 1950s starring in shakespeare classics on the stage , moving on to television stage, moving on to television and film, winning the oscar for best actress for the prime of miss jean brodie in 1969, winning other awards like golden globes and even the olivier award, but also playing professor mcgonagall, of course, in the harry potter franchise and the dowager countess lady violet crawley in downton abbey. so what did my panel think of her legacy? paul embery, we're going to start with you. >> i think she was a national treasure, really, wasn't she? and probably an international treasure as well. my wife is a huge fan of downton abbey, and she was sad when i texted her the news today . but she shall be

the news today. but she shall be famous for downton abbey and for harry potter towards the end of her career. but actually, you know , at a very illustrious know, at a very illustrious career and won the oscar in, i think it was 1968 for the prime of miss jean brodie, the film, and when someone of that esteem, passes on someone who commands the affection that she did in the affection that she did in the national consciousness , then the national consciousness, then i think it's always a sad day. and we don't seem, without sort of being terribly old fashioned about it. we don't seem to have the talent in entertainment, the arts. i think when it comes to acting and films and so on, and lots of other areas as well that we once did. and people like her really, you know, really stand out. yeah. >> people who can command both the stage and the screen. it seems like we don't have that so much now. >> i think that's right. and the huge respect of the audience and the critics and so on. but of course, you know, she was a mother and a grandmother as well, and that needs to be

remembered. the biggest loss will be for her family, of coui'se. >> course. >> well, i want to bring in the words of simon, who's written in. hi simon, thanks forjoining in. hi simon, thanks for joining us this evening. he said, how sad it is. this country has lost one of our best actors, dame maggie smith. she brought so much joy and entertainment to all those who watched her of all ages and will be sadly missed. and daniel, i suppose for that there is sort of every generation since, well, since the 1950s and 60s, each generation has been introduced to dame maggie smith in a new way. >> yes , and in a better way, i >> yes, and in a better way, i think when she was younger, because like so many of our great actors and actresses, towards the end of their lives, when they're really famous, they, they, they take the money in order to do stuff that really isn't of the quality that they were doing when they were young. so however much we love her in harry potter or even in downton abbey, i mean, she was sort of camping it up for the money, really, and she was very good at that. when you go back to the early part of her career, that's when the real genius was, and

paul has already mentioned the oscar. she got for the prime of miss jean brodie, which is a film everybody has got to see. but she'd already got that was her i think, her second oscar. she'd already got one for best supporting actress playing desdemona opposite laurence olivier in in otello , in olivier in in otello, in shakespeare. so, i mean, she was a very, very talented and gifted young woman and in her earlier career. but as i say later on, you know, it confirms my view that you only have to live long enoughin that you only have to live long enough in britain and you will become a national treasure. it is just it is age that we value more than anything else. >> well, you're not quite a national treasure yet. and you're you're i'm you know, i'm working in the right age category now, nowhere near the nearly 90, 89 i think she was, which is a good life, a good age, 89. >> that dame maggie you've got, i'm glad to say i have a few years to go, but i'm working hard at becoming a national treasure. and gb news, i think, is my platform, my platform.

>> i'm sure, i'm sure many people will be will be putting your name forward for many more titles eventually letters after after the end of your name. but but you're not really saying that she's sort of cheapened her act towards the end of her career. i think he was saying lots of new generations. >> i mean, alec guinness did that. lots of didn't alec guinness do that would not have been introduced. >> genius of alec guinness when he was talking about star wars right up to the time when he was doing, you know, he did tinker tailor, soldier spy, which is another work of for the television series, another work of absolute television genius and incomparable acting. >> and then he's you know, he's whatever this guy. what was he called? obi—wan obi—wan kenobi or whatever. now, a final word from you on this star wars for the money. >> well, she was my final word would be she was a good essex girl. she was born in ilford, which just up the road from where i was born in barking. and that makes anyone a decent egg in my book. >> i have to say, when i first saw her in harry potter, i thought she was scottish. which?

>> which probably professor mcgonagall. >> right . >> right. >> right. >> exactly which which which probably shows her scottish in the prime of miss jean brodie. yes. >> shows her range. her reach. but we're going to move on because of course, we're there is so much more that has happened today and it's hard to keep up with all of it. 213 year old boys have been sentenced to life with a minimum term of eight years and six months. this after being found guilty for the murder of the 19 year old sean seesahai in wolverhampton last yeah seesahai in wolverhampton last year. the pair are the youngest people convicted, the youngest convicted murderers in the uk since jamie bulger's killers robert thompson and jon venables back in 1993. the killers have been granted anonymity on the bafis been granted anonymity on the basis of their ages, but the horrific events beg the question as to whether parents ought to be more responsible here. should parents be held to some extent legally responsible when minors commit crimes? lord moylan, daniel, we're going to start with you . where were the parents with you. where were the parents in this case? >> i don't know where the

parents were, because we don't know anything about the killers or virtually nothing about the killers . and that, that killers. and that, that anonymity that is. i've spoken on this show before, and i've said, you know, i don't believe that people accused of crimes should be anonymous , whatever should be anonymous, whatever their age. and i don't think i think we should know their names, and we should know the backgrounds, and we should understand these things because we simply in the interests of open justice. but i don't see how in practice you can hold parents legally responsible. i mean, who are the did they have parents? all i understand about their background is that they had chaotic backgrounds. >> we understand that one of them had a much more chaotic background than the other. there was one who, as far as we understand from the sentencing that was read out live on television earlier today, there was one of the two who came from a very stable family. there was very little that was said about him. other than he had dyslexia.

and then the other one had a developmental trauma, had been exploited. there had been talk of trafficking and all the rest of trafficking and all the rest of it. so it's sort of there's a there's a duality there. >> there is let's say that one of them, i don't know, we're making this up. let's say one of them was in council care because of his background. okay. legally, the council is the parent. that's the legal position. so does the council go to jail as a result of if you're going to hold parents responsible? does the council have to go to jail? are they the people who go to jail? what what are we actually talking about when we say the parents are responsible, what do we what do we what do we mean when we're talking about orphaned kids or or kids who've never seen their parents? >> well, i think a lot of people think that actually parents don't take enough responsibility. i couldn't agree with you more about that. darrell has written in to say regarding the 12 year old murderers, the parents should serve minimum 25 years each. these killers get a slap on the wrist. >> well, i don't think i don't

think that is a meaningful thing that you can actually put into place. legally. while i agree with you that morally, the parents have a very great responsibility to bring up their children correctly. i don't think legally this is a remotely feasible thing to do. >> paul embry i think if the parents could have reasonably foreseen what was going to happen and then in some way been negligent or reckless in the way that they brought that child up and knew, for example, that a child was buying a machete and was going out with a machete or another knife, or a parent knows that his or her child is shoplifting regularly , and the shoplifting regularly, and the parent himself or herself themselves. >> take no make no intervention, and take no , action themselves and take no, action themselves in an attempt to try to keep the child on the straight and narrow. and if it can be demonstrated that actually the parents have been negligent in that regard, then i'm not

necessarily against the idea of the law saying to the parents, actually, you are in some way culpable as well. in the same way. for example, if a dog owner doesn't keep a dog under control and lets it off the leash knowing that that dog is dangerous, knowing there's a chance that that dog is going to bite someone, we say, look, the owner, the person responsible for that animal, ultimately has to face the consequences in terms of the law. i don't not, by the way. let me say not that i'm comparing children's dogs, but the analogy i'm drawing is that sometimes you can be held responsible. i think you should be held responsible if you are ultimately in control of someone. and, you know that person's parent in this case. and if it can be shown that you haven't intervened as a as a responsible adult when you ought to have done, then i can't blame the law for saying , we're going the law for saying, we're going to fill your collar as well. >> is that not a fair point? >> is that not a fair point? >> yeah, it's a fair point. i agree, and it's a very difficult case. but, you know, the difference is that a dog can't be held culpable in front of a

court. the owner is in ultimate control, as paul uses it, that isn't true of a parent with a child and a child beyond a certain age. can be held beyond a certain age. >> so there's a sliding scale here. >> no, there isn't a sliding scale. there's a cut—off. there's they came up with the bulger killers when they were tried . there's an age at which tried. there's an age at which you are held. the courts will hold a child responsible for their actions. and below that age, the child is not held to be responsible. well, who is below that age? i can't remember what it is, but i think it's around 12 years old. and in the case of the bulger killers, the court had to determine. then there's a degree of discretion in between two bands where the court can. but i suppose paul mbappe the state decides that below the age of 18, you can't decide to drink for yourself. >> you can't decide to gamble below the age of 16. you can't consent to sexual intercourse . consent to sexual intercourse. and yet it's 12 for. i mean, surely these are all arbitrary numbers. >> they are. and it's a really

it's a really tough one. at what age does a child become totally criminally responsible or human become totally criminally, criminally responsible for his or her actions? is it right just to have an arbitrary figure beanng to have an arbitrary figure bearing in mind that children develop and mature at different speeds? is it right to just have a blanket age for everybody? i don't know, i do think that 12 should be just about below the age for complete criminal responsibility, which is why, unlike daniel, i think, i think unless there's a compelling reason to say that the child should be named , in this case, should be named, in this case, the children should be named, i don't actually think they should be named. i think if they if they're at the age where they where they do assume complete responsibility in front of the law, then i think it's absolutely right. in the interests of transparent justice that they are named. i'm not convinced that this would meet that criteria. i think you probably disagree with that . probably disagree with that. >> i disagree with it as a matter of principle. but of course, the point is, it doesn't

even apply on a on a reliable bafisin even apply on a on a reliable basis in this case, the killers haven't been named in the case of the bulger killers. they were named after the trial . in the named after the trial. in the case of the. >> do you think they should be named in this trial in. do you think they should be named in a few weeks ago, the suspect was named even before the trial. >> i mean, right at the outset, he was just days away from his 18th birthday, given away from his of his background. i agree there are different ages, but there are different ages, but the point is that this is appued the point is that this is applied in a very flexible way. so there must be public interest reasons why there are public interest, reasons why children can be named in trials. i think there is a public interest in open justice. i suppose it all gets down to this ultimate question of can people be reformed ? reformed? >> can people go into some sort of process, be reformed, change their name and go back into society? or are these people forever famous? and that's another thorny question which we don't have time for. i'm afraid . don't have time for. i'm afraid. but we will be back. looking ahead to tonight's exclusive

interview with a victim of a disgraced of the disgraced late harrods boss, mohamed al fayed is the latest sex abuse scandal evidence that rich and powerful people can get away with

next. good evening. this is dewbs& co with me. tom harwood standing in. or perhaps sitting in this evening. now, lots of you have been getting in touch about what we have been talking about particularly should parents be held responsible for the crimes of their children? well, john says every time i hear the news of these 212 year old murders. tears. tears come to my eyes. we need to see parents being held responsible. adrian says these young people should be named. and eight years is nothing for this murder. a very good point. they'll be out aged 20.

catherine if with good behaviour. of course. catherine says parents are responsible for their kids. but peter says, do you not realise that many of these children do not have parents? the result of a brief relationship with a father who's never been seen, and a mother who has no interest in her children? well, profound views there. please keep them coming. but i should also mention who's keeping me company until 7:00. firefighter and trade unionist paul embery is to my left and former adviser to boris johnson. lord moylan is to my right. see what we've done there. now the serious news now the late former harrods boss mohamed al fayed has found himself in a posthumous sex abuse scandal with many former employees and acquaintances accusing him of rape and abuses of power. tonight at 10:00, we'll be showing you an exclusive interview from patrick christys with a victim of mohamed al fayed. sarah savage , who has fayed. sarah savage, who has bravely agreed to tell her story . bravely agreed to tell her story. >> and his name is in tatters

now, isn't it? he's not remembered as the owner of harrods . remembered as the owner of harrods. he's now remembered as a rapist and a sexual predator. and. and that's what he deserves in my eyes. >> well, tune in at 10:00 for that. we've seen, of course, lots of shocking sex abuse scandals in recent years. several of which involve the rich and the powerful. we're asking tonight, can the rich get away with anything? well, over to my panel, paul embery . is to my panel, paul embery. is this a symptom of an untouchable class? >> yes, i've been a trade union representative, and i've represented people in the workplace who have suffered abuse at the hands of you know, sometimes important bosses. and there is a tendency for people to turn a blind eye and to bully the victims into silence. i think it goes on in our country much more than we're allowed to know, and it needs to be dealt with. and i would say that's why trade unions are so important in

the workplace. i come from a trade union background, and i've seen the good that trade unions can do in terms of representing people who are at the end of that sort of treatment and challenging it in a way that the individual might not necessarily have the courage to do so, because partly they think it's going to ruin their career or they, you know, they're going to get an adverse reaction in the workplace. i mean, i genuinely don't like the idea of allegations being made against people when they're not in a position to defend themselves. you know, if someone's dead, that person's not in a position to defend themselves. and generally i tend not in those situations to take the allegations at face value. nonetheless, i think if you look at some high profile cases where there is such a weight of evidence, jimmy savile, for example, no one can realistically say, well, jimmy savile doesn't have the chance to defend himself. therefore, you know, we should assume he's not guilty. and i think this, you know, maybe not on that, clearly not on that sort of scale, but nonetheless, i think the weight of evidence that that's being directed towards al

fayed suggests that these are not people who have just decided to make a fast buck by making false allegations. but nonetheless, it's appalling that someone, simply because he is rich and powerful and an owner of a particular company, can get away with this, as he clearly did for years. by the looks of things, and no one challenges him. that's an indictment, unfortunately, of our society. >> and daniel, this is perhaps the most pernicious thing for victims. that time and time again, it isn't until someone's dead that actually all of this sort of stuff comes out . isn't sort of stuff comes out. isn't that a point of evidence towards the case that while these people are alive, they've got the power, they've got the influence, they've got the authority to keep all their critics at bay? it's only once they're powerless that actually this stuff comes out . this stuff comes out. >> well, there is a point there. i mean, fayed hasn't had power in that sense for quite a number of years, had a lot of money, but he hasn't been running harrods. he hasn't owned harrods for a number of years, and so

any power he'd have had as a boss would have, would have dissipated, some years ago , even dissipated, some years ago, even before he was dead. so it's interesting that it's all coming out now. and the bbc seems to have brought it to prominence through the investigations they've done, people have known about it, but it's taken a good investigative journalistic exercise to bring it all out. i mean, fayed was getting away with stuff the whole of his life. we still to this day , do life. we still to this day, do not know. people forget this. we still to this day, do not know where he got the money to buy house of fraser group, which included harrods in those days to buy it with no idea where that money came from . he the that money came from. he the bank that vouched for him . bank that vouched for him. kleinwort benson was so disgraced when it came out that they'd, you know, they'd they'd gone along with this crook that the bank collapsed effectively came to an end. kleinwort benson, one of our it was a great merchant bank. it was destroyed by this. there's a

great department for trade. inquiry report into the whole thing from a 30 plus years ago. so the man has been a sort of a dodgy all of his life. and none of this really surprises me to be perfectly frank. i'm sorry it's taken time for it to come out. and it's a huge trauma for the people who've had to suffer these attentions, which were obviously completely systematic. i mean, any woman who was in his office would have been sort of . office would have been sort of. >> daniel, what does it say about rich and powerful people as a whole? >> well, i don't think it says a lot about rich and powerful people as a whole , because it's people as a whole, because it's wrong to make the assumption that rich and powerful people are sexual predators. what what it is saying, though, is that if you're a sexual predator and you are rich and powerful and powerful, i think is more important than rich in this. if you are powerful in an organisation, then it is easier to get away with these things while you're in that position.

yeah, yeah. >> and paul, i suppose the issue here is that all of the ones we hear about, well, those are the ones that we hear about. there were of course, many millions of very rich and very powerful people who aren't sexual predators . predators. >> absolutely true. that's absolutely true. the vast majority, you know , are not, but majority, you know, are not, but some are and some do exploit their power and their wealth to cause misery to , to, to the cause misery to, to, to the lives of their workforce, you know, for their own gratification or whatever. and i think one of one of the wrong things that's allowed to occur is this horrible practice of non—disclosure agreements where someone may make a complaint, and essentially their silence is bought. and this is what rich and powerful people do. you know, they reach settlement agreements with people who have made complaints against them, and they say, we'll pay you a few thousand pounds and you shut up.and few thousand pounds and you shut up. and what that does is it allows employers to cover up bad practice. and that is something i think, that we've not got our heads around. that goes on far

too frequently in workplaces, up and down the country. and i think we need to i think we need to introduce a law to stop that sort of thing from happening. what do you make of that? >> well, i think again, i think it makes my point. i want to make this distinction rich and powerful are not the same thing, okay? it's powerful. it's not. it's not that they're using their own money to pay this compensation to get an nda, it's they're using the company's money to do that. it's their power within the corporation that actually allows them to get away with all of this in the vast majority of cases, not everybody waits until they're dead , so to speak. of course, dead, so to speak. of course, weinstein and epstein in the united states were alive when the allegations were made against them. in this country, there's been there have been allegations made against, a very senior investment banker, which have been made public in the past in the not too distant past. which who is not dead. and so on, which it's a fair point. >> and we have to draw the distinction between serious sexual harassment and what you

might call kind of everyday flirting . i think most sensible flirting. i think most sensible people understand the distinction there. i'm not sure that some, some people amongst, if you like the woke brigade necessarily understand that. i think nowadays you can innocently flirt with someone through sending a text message or something like that, and people will regard that as sexual harassment. i do think we need to be careful about regarding all sorts of interactions like that, as sexual harassment , but certainly sexual harassment, but certainly in terms of some of the stuff that we've seen in this al fayed case, that i mean, no reasonable person would say that that doesn't cross the line. it clearly does. it's completely unacceptable. >> now, i should say that in the past few moments, mohamed al fayed's son, omar has released a statement. we have it for you now, he says . i'm horrified and now, he says. i'm horrified and deeply concerned about the allegations recently brought to light against my late father . light against my late father. the allegations are shocking and has thrown into question the loving memory i had of him , how loving memory i had of him, how this matter could have been concealed for so long raises

further disturbing questions. so just to recap, while we digest that statement from mohamed al fayed's son this evening in a gb news exclusive , patrick christys news exclusive, patrick christys will be speaking to sarah savage, a victim of mohamed al fayed. that's at 10:00 only patrick christys tonight . gb patrick christys tonight. gb news live from 9 pm. that interview at ten. coming up, prime minister keir starmer rounds off his trip to the us. with a meeting with donald trump. but will his and his foreign secretary's previously. well, to put it mildly, uncharitable comments about the former president come back to haunt him and the special relationship

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with me . tom harwood. now, lots with me. tom harwood. now, lots of you have been getting in touch about all of the stories we've been talking about this evening. not least, can rich and famous people get away with anything? adrian says, seems to me that yet another very famous celebrity who has been protected for years. why wasn't al—fayed deau for years. why wasn't al—fayed dealt with while he was alive? he did have power, obviously, and he says rich people can get away with anything. yes, whereas david says fired cannot defend himself. i feel very uncomfortable about this. why now, when he's dead? lots and lots of thoughts on that. keep them coming, of course, but keeping me company in the studio , keeping me company in the studio, along with all of your lovely comments until 7:00. of course , comments until 7:00. of course, is firefighter and trade unionist paul embery and former adviser to boris johnson, lord moylan . well, let's get on to moylan. well, let's get on to the big american story. yes prime minister sir keir starmer finished off his trip to the united states by meeting former president donald trump. our very

own political editor, christopher hope , spoke with mr christopher hope, spoke with mr trump just before their meeting this is how that went down. >> i think you're meeting keir starmer. what do you think of him? some of his colleagues in government have been quite critical of you. >> i actually think he's very nice. i think , he ran a great nice. i think, he ran a great race. he did very well, it's very early, but he's popular, and i'll be seeing him. and i'll send your regards. >> would you rather nigel farage had a bigger, bigger role ? had a bigger, bigger role? >> well, i think nigel is great. i mean, i've known him for a long time. he had a great election, too. he picked up a lot of seats. more seats than he was allowed to have, actually. nigel is a fantastic person . nigel is a fantastic person. >> well, very kind words of course. and a curious analysis of our electoral system too. didn't expect that necessarily. but our prime minister has not always been so diplomatic about mr trump. yes. in 2019, starmer commented on boris johnson's relationship with trump, suggesting an endorsement made him unfit to be prime minister

and his now foreign secretary david lammy called trump a racist kkk and nazi sympathiser. tell us what you really think. well, do these comments risk coming back to haunt the new labour government ? get your labour government? get your views in, of course. gbnews.com/yoursay. but over to my panel now, lord moylan, is it going to be hard for this government to work with a potential trump administration? >> no. harder, i think, than it would be for any other british government to work with a potential trump administration. i think on the whole, politicians are pretty inured to what other politicians say about them, and they deal with matters as they arise rather than reflecting back. i mean, you have to remember, boris made some very, very unfavourable remarks about trump before he was elected president, but that didn't affect their relationship at all. and i imagine starmer and lammy will be allowed in on the on the assumption that

they're not completely feral and given a chance to conduct themselves properly. what i think it really shows is the hypocrisy of keir starmer that, you know, he says an endorsement from trump makes you unfit to be prime minister. but that's only true if you're boris johnson. if it's keir starmer, you come away smiling like a cheshire cat about the whole thing, feeling thrilled to bits about it. what a complete hypocrite the man is. >> well, on that point of hypocrisy, paul, what did you make of this sort of. i was about to say candlelit dinner. i don't i don't think it was candlelit, but it was, it wasn't, it was probably as long as this and they were. oh well it was, it was a dinner at the top of trump tower very close teams. i mean, it's a bit strange. >> i think it's a good move, actually. i loathe donald trump on a personal level. i really dislike him intensely, intensely. but ultimately, if you're the prime minister of great britain and northern ireland, you need a working relationship with someone who very possibly soon is going to

be the prime minister. the president of the united states of america. and it is important to put behind you some of that silly social media stuff. and i'm sure trump's done 1 or 2 things on social media in the past that are probably not particularly judicious, and maybe he even might regret. but nonetheless, it was the right move. i think it raised eyebrows, but it was the right move to try to establish a rapport with with someone who potentially and some people would say likely is going to be the next president again of the united states. >> do you make of daniels hypocrisy point that both david lammy and keir starmer were very critical of boris johnson's relationship with donald trump, despite the fact that, of course , despite the fact that, of course, the transatlantic relationship is so important as he's now discovering in the office he holds, i think everyone accepts, don't they, that different rules don't they, that different rules do apply a little bit on that kind of diplomacy thing. >> when you're in the hot seat yourself, you can probably get away with saying things about foreign leaders. when you're a backbench mp or arguably when

you're the leader of the opposition. but i think most people understand that the rules of the game, when you become the prime minister, change slightly. and that's very charitable. >> but he wasn't charitable to bofis >> but he wasn't charitable to boris johnson when he was in the seine about your own prime minister? >> no, no. and to be honest, i don't think those those statements that both lammy and starmer made in the past were particularly wise and i suspect they probably regret them. but they probably regret them. but the point that i'm making is that i think most people accept that i think most people accept that there is a freedom that comes with not being in government and not being prime minister that doesn't come through being in government and being in prime minister. you have to be the ultimate diplomat when you're the prime minister to a certain degree. and i think starmer probably gets that. i don't defend him on everything, by the way, but probably on this. >> yes, i suppose it is interesting that that donald trump said nice things about keir starmer as well. after all, he's had to make amends with many people who've said very rude things about donald trump in the past, not least his own vice presidential pick, who was

a virulent anti—trumper until, of course, he became president. well, much more to come up on today's programme. indeed, a new study shows that generation z are the worst at recycling. yes, you heard that correctly. the young, environmentally conscious group, they're the worst recyclers. well, are they a bunch of green eyed hypocrites

good evening. this is dewbs& co with me. tom harwood. now straight on to our next story. a study today has revealed that generation z are the worst at holding up recycling habits. despite being the most environmentally conscious generation, it comes as two just stop oil activists are jailed for vandalising a priceless van gogh. for vandalising a priceless van gogh . well, is the gen z green

gogh. well, is the gen z green dream over? well over to my panel dream over? well over to my panel. paul. this is pretty hard to compute. it's the people who bang on the most about being green. go on all the marches. turns out they don't do it themselves. >> you're not suggesting that they're virtue signalling, tom, ihope they're virtue signalling, tom, i hope surely not. >> you used those words, not me. >> you used those words, not me. >> it's possibly the case that they are. and it's possibly the case that they see these, you know, they have these high status opinions , don't they? status opinions, don't they? these high status beliefs when it comes to the environment because it projects them in a good way among their peers because of course, they're saving the planet and so on. and naturally we all want to do that. but surely the measure of it is that you practice what you preach. i think, you know, good things are done. as someone once said in small particulars. and therefore i think if you consider yourself someone who's an environmentalist , then you an environmentalist, then you should be recycling and you shouldn't necessarily be be having the old boilers and the gas guzzling cars and jetting

around the planet . and it seems around the planet. and it seems some people are genuine about it. absolutely no question. you know, they believe it in their heart and they live their lives according to that belief. and they're consistent, but it's when people are not consistent and they go on the rallies and the marches, but don't necessarily practice it themselves, they can't then complain if they lose a bit of respect. >> lord moylan, should we be surprised? i mean, we've all seen the aftermath of glastonbury . we've all seen sort glastonbury. we've all seen sort of any music festival and the litter that's just strewn across the landscape after it ends. these are the people that are the most vocal about this issue. >> well, it doesn't surprise me at all. and part of it is that if you're a national treasure or a potential national treasure like me, and you've got, of course , got to that age, then course, got to that age, then you were brought up in a post—war era where where waste was frowned upon and we didn't waste anything. and so when recycling came along, which was some time later of course, probably in the 90s when we started serious recycling, the idea that you actually, you

know, put an effort into sorting your rubbish out into different bins so it can be reused, comes naturally to people of my generation. we responded very well to that , the younger well to that, the younger generation, of course , have not generation, of course, have not been brought up in an age where you have to think about cutting down on waste and making the most of what you've got , and so most of what you've got, and so they don't even think about it. and besides, you know, they're, they're so terrified, i feel of they're so terrified, i feel of the planet coming to an end tomorrow. >> can i say, normally when i hear a tory peer talk about cutting down on waste, i break out in a rash because because i know what's coming next. >> yeah, well, i think i think i think not that kind of waste. >> i'm not. i'm talking about, you know what i'm talking about. yes, i do, so on this occasion, try and distract things and explain why why the public sector unions should have more and more staff and more and more members and more and more income. there we go. >> wound him up and wound him up sufficiently, which was not actually what we were meant to

be discussing, but i was what i was saying is, if you genuinely believe the planets could come to an end tomorrow, why would you recycle? >> that's not going to save anything. oh, this is this is the great paradox. if you think you've you're up there now in the celestial sphere, you're worried about the end of the world we were worried about, you know, what rubbish dumps beginning to. >> paul, this is just we've got very little time. but is there a horseshoe here of those that don't believe in climate change and those who think it's too late to do anything about climate change, i mean, they might as well both give up, i think. >> daniel solingen a really good point, which i hadn't considered before, actually, if people are so obsessed with telling us what we should be doing when the planet's going to end next week or whenever, then there's a certain inconsistency there, isn't there? >> well, i just like the fact that when i used to be in my former job reporting in westminster formerjob reporting in westminster and when extinction rebellion sat in, in westminster and sort of shut down the whole area, the easiest stories to write were always just to go out with a camera once they'd gone away and just see the strewn litter all the way across parliament square. always an easy story, always easy clicks. well, that's all we've got time

for this evening. thank you so much for joining for this evening. thank you so much forjoining us. thank you much for joining us. thank you to paul mbappe and lord moylan as well. and i have to say that you shouldn't go anywhere because of course, up next is the inimitable mr lee anderson mp that next. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. a much drier night tonight compared to last night across the south. pretty chilly one though, so it'll be a cold start to the weekend for much of the weekend the weather is set fair, but behind me this area of low pressure will bring some wet and windy weather later on sunday. for the time being though, the winds are coming down from the north. that's why it's going to be chilly, bringing a few showers across wales, southwest england, northern scotland and along the east coast of england. but the winds here will be easing and the showers tending to fade. for many, it's a dry night with long, clear spells,

and that's why it's going to be quite chilly with those temperatures tumbling down to 3 or 4 degrees even in towns and cities. pockets of frost likely in the countryside. so yes, a cold start to saturday, but by and large a cracking start, certainly for most of england. and wales. lots of blue sky, lots of sunshine, maybe still 1 or 2 showers for wales and southwest england, and perhaps also still coming into north norfolk, but generally just a chilly but bright start. not the same though, for scotland and northern ireland. here more cloud will be edging in as we go through the night and there will be, particularly for scotland, outbreaks of rain. so we'll see a little bit of rain heading to glasgow and certainly on the west coast. rain on and off through the day for eastern scotland though i suspect. yeah, we may see a few showers but generally here skies should brighten up some cloud will bubble up over northern england and wales. maybe 1 or 2 showers here, the odd shower for the north coast of northern ireland, but for many it's dry over the midlands. much of eastern england , southern england. a england, southern england. a fine day, a fine autumnal day with temperatures a touch below the average for the end of

september. but the winds will be lighter tomorrow compared to today on sunday, though we do have to talk about the winds picking up in the southwest. a fine bright start for many. a few showers in northern scotland, but the winds whipping up here. we do have a met office yellow warning in place for the coast of wales and southwest england. those gusty winds could cause some disruption. rain coming in here as well. but for many, much of the day will be dry again. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb. news

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real world. tonight on the show, we've got former labour mp stephen pound. he's joined by former ukip leader henry bolton, dj radio legend liz kershaw and faux pas adventurer adrian hayes . faux pas adventurer adrian hayes. but first, let's go to the . news. >> good evening. it's 7:00. i'm lewis mckenzie here in the gb newsroom . at least two people newsroom. at least two people have been killed and 76 wounded in israel's latest strike on beirut. multiple explosions were heard in the capital after israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu vowed to keep fighting hezbollah in lebanon. these are currently live pictures of where the explosion happened earlier on. today, the idf say they conducted a precise strike on the central headquarters of hezbollah in the heart of the city. israeli media is reporting hezbollah's leader, hassan

nasrallah, was the supposed target of this