their mp5 just is why one of their mp5 ju5t tonight ha5 ditched the is why one of their mp5 just tonight has ditched the sleazy socialist cabal. and i told you last week that i would be sending my drinks bill from reform party conference along to labour's squillionaire lord alli. i'm afraid to no avail. i sadly go through one more week without my own sugar daddy. unlike sir keir and lady starmer. joining us this week, we've got the queen of no nonsense herself, doctor renee, a gp who somehow finds time to run, rings around health myths peddled by the left. and if you thought common sense was endangered, well, fear not, because consultant andy williams is here to prescribe a healthy dose of woke . next up, fresh dose of woke. next up, fresh faced political commentator chloe dobbs is in the hot seat now . chloe is so sharp she makes now. chloe is so sharp she makes starmer look like a blunt instrument . and finally, the instrument. and finally, the podcaster who's taken common sense to new heights. will kingston from the speccy. honestly, he's got more wisdom in one podcast than you'll find

in one podcast than you'll find in an entire labour party frontbench. buckle up folks, it's going to be a belter of a ride. you know the drill now. each host outlines their argument about a chosen topic. then we're all pile in and the fire starts to fly. send in your views as well. post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay. don't forget, ask the five. get your questions in. no topic is off limits . but my friends, before limits. but my friends, before we start tearing each other apart like rosie duffield with the labour party, it's his saturday night news with sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> darren. thank you. good evening . i'm sophia wenzler with evening. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines just after 6:00. terrorist group hezbollah has confirmed their leader has been killed in airstrikes in southern lebanon. in a tweet this morning, the idf say hassan nasrallah will no longer be able to terrorise the world. the lebanese health ministry is

reporting that at least six people have now been killed, and 91 wounded in the attack in central beirut. on your screens now are live pictures of where that missile attack happened . that missile attack happened. soldiers and aid workers have been taking part in rescue operations, looking for survivors and victims in the rubble. reuters news agency are reporting that iran's supreme leader, the ayatollah, has been transferred to a secure location inside his country with heightened security measures in place. now, some breaking news in the last half hour. rosie duffield has resigned as a labour mp. the times newspaper is reporting that she's blaming sir keir starmer's cruel and unnecessary policies, and the freebies row that is engulfing him and his party. in a resignation letter to the prime minister, she criticised the decision to keep the two child benefit cap and means test the winter fuel payment and accused the prime minister of hypocrisy over his acceptance of free gifts from donors. now, in other

news, conservative party leader rishi sunak has arrived at the party's conference in birmingham. he was seen making his way in with his wife and they were greeted by interim party chairman richard fuller. tory leadership candidate kemi badenoch was also seen arriving shortly before she was greeted by a number of supporters and activists from her campaign as she arrived ahead of the event officially opening tomorrow . and officially opening tomorrow. and we'll just bring some more to you now. the king and queen are visiting holyrood to mark the 25th anniversary of the scottish parliament. being reconvened. the celebrations, the celebration showcased scottish music and culture and was attended by local heroes who've been nominated thanks to their contribution to local communities. his majesty spoke of the success of the devolved parliament from that day until this .

this. >> through its work over a quarter of a century , this place quarter of a century, this place has not just thrived , but in has not just thrived, but in doing so has borne witness to the enduring relationship between the parliament, the crown and the people of scotland . crown and the people of scotland. >> now, three people have been charged with criminal damage after a soup was thrown at two van gogh paintings in the national gallery on friday, three just stop oil activists targeted the artwork just an hour after two other activists were jailed for a similar protest. back in 2022. stephen simpson, philippa green and mary somerville will appear at westminster magistrates court on monday. the national gallery says the two paintings targeted yesterday were moved for examination and were found not to have any damage. those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to saturday. >> five for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by

scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're in for a very lively show. ned has just written in and ned says this is more like it. two smoking hot women and three ugly guys . women and three ugly guys. >> thanks, ned. >> thanks, ned. >> that's a good start. josh thank you very much. i've asked lord alli to do me some plastic surgery, but he hasn't got back. i'm going to keep asking and he's got his number anyway. we'll crack on with tonight's first debate. i'm going to kick us off. here we go . hold on to us off. here we go. hold on to your seat, andy. strap yourself in. now. you wanted to change the clowns as a nation, but the circus is very much still in

town . the starmer lifestyle, town. the starmer lifestyle, luxury penthouses , vip seats and luxury penthouses, vip seats and designer clobber keir and lady starmer are living the high life far from labour's working class roots . labour founder keir roots. labour founder keir hardie fought for workers but sir keir's more interested in the next glass of champagne in arsenal's corporate box. what an arsenal's corporate box. what an arsenal he preaches. fairness for all in his attack on those struggling to pay to send their kids to private schools while receiving a £20,000 donation in kind to put up his kid in a squillionaire penthouse for his kid to study for his gcses. because apparently his child needed some peace and quiet . needed some peace and quiet. meanwhile, rachel reeves is busy bagging free clobber two and angie rayner , deputy leader, of angie rayner, deputy leader, of course, splurges, 68 grand of your money on a photographer.

hopefully nothing to do with the infamous ginger growler story that hit the press under boris johnson and sir keir starmer's £2,400 specs. perfect of course, for admiring their sharp new wardrobes and angie's new snaps. while pensioners freeze. then there's, of course, his conference gaffe. >> i call again for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. the return of the sausages, the hostages . the sausages, the hostages. >> i mean, hey, calling for the return of the sausages instead of israeli hostages, really secure. more worried about your next free fry up.7 will assume and whilst the rest of us count our pennies for ed miliband's energy bills laden with eco extremism, he's out here playing the clown in 32 grand worth of new clobber . it's enough to the clown in 32 grand worth of new clobber. it's enough to make kim kardashian blush. i tell you that. they say they're defeating tory cronyism. honestly

nonsense. they've replaced the clowns, but beefed up the champagne socialist circus . champagne socialist circus. well, andy, i assume after all of this you're going to be doing like rosie duffield and ripping up your labour membership card with glee. >> no. absolutely not. i was at labour party conference at the start of the week or the back end of last weekend, and have any sausages like some lovely honey mustard cocktail sausages doing the rounds on the canape circuit. it's delicious . no, circuit. it's delicious. no, look, i can't pretend that the mood at labour party conference in liverpool was one of jubilation because it's been a difficult few weeks, andy, but i'm delighted personally. but but actually i think when you strip away some of the nonsense of the last few weeks, actually, labour has some really, really serious plans for the country. it's going to take time. that's what keir starmer was saying in his speech on tuesday, is that it's not going to be an overnight transformation of the

country because there are so many deep, intrinsic , entrenched many deep, intrinsic, entrenched problems with this country, part of which is the fault of the previous government, part of which is just, you know, there are complex problems to resolve, i think, on the freebie stuff, labour have said all the frontbenchers said they won't take clothing any more. i think that's a good thing. >> by the way, he's got by the way now he doesn't need any. >> yeah, he's got some nice pairs of glasses now, but what i would say is that this is not just a labour problem, okay. so all parliamentarians and it's all parliamentarians and it's all there . someone said last all there. someone said last week westminster scandals. if you can call this a scandal are not they never uncovered. they're just noticed. all of this information has been in the pubuc this information has been in the public domain for years and years, and only now are people getting upset about it. the tories did it because the media was overwhelmingly biased towards the labour party. that is absolutely not true. that's not true. >> will i enjoy a sausage as much as the next man, so to speak? but i think this is taking the michael. >> yeah, of course . look, i love >> yeah, of course. look, i love a sanger as well. but here is

why. this is a unique problem for starmer. and that is he's come to office without any real ideology, without any charisma to speak of. so he relies on this pearl clutching moralism to get by. and that means he sets himself a higher standard. and now, when he hasn't lived up to that standard, people can smell a hypocrite. sure. boris was, you know, sleazy. sure the conservatives do it as well, but he has basically put the noose around his own neck, and i don't think he's going to be able to get out of it. >> i don't know why, just because people say, oh, well, bofis because people say, oh, well, boris johnson, of course we'd expect that of him. it's somehow fine. i mean, actually one of the reasons he wasn't clobbered in the way that labour have been clobbered over the last few weeks is because he wasn't declaring stuff, he wasn't being honest, and he wasn't. >> it's true. but keir starmer, we've just learned today that keir starmer actually got double the number of the amount of money for clothes from lord alli because he had he had declared it, but he sneakily said that it was, you know, expenses for office expenses when it was actually for clothes. and look, regardless of whether this was in the public domain or not, whether he'd recorded it

properly or not, it's the hypocrisy. you've made the same excuse that all of them are trying to make to excuse themselves at the moment, saying, oh, the tories do the same. and we're like, we know no one's saying the tories are perfect and they're not sleazy. the word tory sleazy exists for a reason. >> spent years, didn't we? >> spent years, didn't we? >> we've got all of the tweets from angela rayner, keir starmer calling out the tories as disgusting for doing the exact same things that they are doing now. i think we just need to. i think we need the hypocrisy. no one has trust in them anymore already. >> elizabeth's written in elizabeth, says starmer is obviously acting out animal farm and taking on the role of the pigs and taking on the role of the pigs now. i mean, you know, there were the pigs, there were there were the pigs, there were the humans, and eventually you couldn't tell one from the other. >> and that's exactly where we are. we can't tell the pigs from the humans anymore. and it doesn't matter what the tories did, because he's been so righteous about this. and do you know what it was alastair campbell, who's still a big force in his party, who said it's the sniff test if a story stays around for more than nine days, it ain't going away. this is not going away. >> no, i know, but i actually

think that when you strip it all away in the scheme of things, i just don't think it's that important. people care when it's actual corruption, when it's people who are having undue influence. fine. there is no evidence that anybody, as a result of this has any undue , result of this has any undue, undue influence. well, i actually think i actually , i actually think i actually, i actually think i actually, i actually i actually think so clothing i wish they hadn't done that. the football tickets i would completely defend i think it's totally fine for the prime minister. no, no, no, hang on for the prime minister to watch his football team in, by the way, in the director's box i think is totally fine. is it because because he's taking money from people who have something they need to gain from him? >> because they are looking at football regulations, and starmer has refused to recuse himself from that decision. but even if you put them in, even if you put the morality aside, it is an obvious political up. >> and if we i agree with that, pick up on these little things, how can we trust him to solve those big problems? a&e that you mentioned at the start of the episode, it's a big it is a big up. >> i agree, and the comms has

been rubbish, but actually if you focus on the fundamentals, there are people in the background doing really good hard work that nobody's noticing. everyone's talking about sue gray, who gave herself about sue gray, who gave herself a bumper pay rise, the same kind of pay rise that they bashed dominic cummings for receiving. >> so yeah, the team behind the labour party, they've got their their noses right in the troughs. just the same as everything that they accused the tories have been. and chloe, andy says there that you strip this all away. you strip it all away. and actually it all amounts to there's not much there, but you'll be on some time stripping away all of the £32,000 worth of clothing. wouldn't you? >> absolutely. i mean, i don't know how what he's buying with that 32 grand. i mean, it must all be louis vuitton, prada and what not to spend 32 grand. i mean, i, i have a go at myself if i spend a couple of hundred quid on one day shopping, buying clothes. but now i seem like a cheapskate in comparison. just going back to what you were saying, andy, about, you know, this is all fluff. it doesn't really matter. there's no evidence of actual unfair

cronyism, influence on policy. but wes streeting, i was impressed when wes streeting came out and said, i'm going to reform the nhs. i'm going to bnngin reform the nhs. i'm going to bring in elements of privatisation, which it needs. i think that was a bold, brave thing to do. however, then we find out that he received 100, about 170 grand to himself from donors with links to private medical companies. so i think there's a really good argument, actually makes me think he's just doing it. >> if we're going to have a serious conversation about all of this, let's talk about maybe reforming the system, about how we fund our politics, because thatis we fund our politics, because that is causing the perception problems here that we're all talking about and that we all agree on. well, there we are. >> andy has come out for reform. >> andy has come out for reform. >> so there we go. just not the reform progress, not the reform that you think, okay, who's going to go next? >> then? >> then? >> that'll be me, so the justice secretary, shabana mahmood, is looking at plans to emulate the success of the us state of texas in reducing the prison population and cutting rates of reoffending at the same time. yes, it is possible prisoners in texas can reduce their time

behind bars by earning points for good behaviour, including by participating in courses aimed at tackling the underlying causes of re—offending. and these reforms were led by a republican governor in texas, a very right wing governor, rick perry. but it saw the prison population fall by 15%. it enabled the state to close 16 prisons because those prison places just weren't needed anymore, and re—offending rates dropped by 30%. and i think this is an example of exactly what i was just talking about, which is labour doing the hard, thoughtful work behind the scenes and solving the problems that actually matter to people, not the nonsense about clothing. >> well , i'm not the nonsense about clothing. >> well, i'm personally just very surprised. once again, i mean, you've gone from backing reform just a moment ago to saying that actually you want a texas style system on law and order. are you going to be supporting capital punishment, spending too much time @gbnews? >> aren't they ? >> aren't they? >> aren't they? >> he wants to kill the. and as

a form of punishment, andy, here's the thing. >> i don't think anyone has a problem with vocational training with efforts at rehabilitation. my with efforts at rehabilitation. my issue is why are we giving them incentives to do that? that should be a gift for some of the worst people in our society. and if you're going to basically give them that gift and then at the same time say, we're going to cut your sentence, you are spitting in the faces of the victims who are who are out there, who are looking at this and going, these people are getting a free ride. >> so i think there are two purposes of sending people to prison. one is to prevent those people who go to prison from re—offending. and for that reason, we need vocational training. we need education in prisons. a lot of people who go to prison have, i think the average reading age of someone in prison is 11. we need to resolve that. and the other thing is as a deterrent for people who are not in prison. and if you can come up with a system that achieves both of those objectives, then i'm all for it. >> you are missing and that is societal justice. there is justice for the victims, and that can only be attained if you

have a fair punishment for the people who are in prison. and what this does is it takes away the justice that those victims deserve. >> but the problem, perhaps we can spin your idea and will's idea in that they actually, if they don't partake in the vocational training, they get extra time. >> well , maybe. extra time. >> well, maybe. i mean, i think i think there has it's there has to be a carrot and stick approach. right. the point is, what matters is what works. and i think what will's suggesting is that we need retribution for the sake of retribution in our prisons. and i and i don't think that i think we need a sensible system if they're not going to take that off their own volition when they're in prison, what's to say that they're not when they get out of prison, going to have the self—restraint and the discipline to be able to not reoffend again? >> because when your party said to all of these prisoners who they just released, or we're going to do a really nice thing for you, we're going to let you out early a lot of them reoffended straight away. >> well, it wasn't a nice thing. it was a necessity because we had 83 places in prison and they found it in britain and we had in the summer and then hang on, committed tweet crime.

>> hang on. we had to go in. >> hang on. we had to go in. >> we had 83 spaces in british prisons left. 83 well, you still found because the price on facebook. because the because the previous government left the decision for political reasons until the next government came in. so it's not you cannot blame the labour party for this. the crisis in our prisons is the last government's fault. >> they would not get so much stick for this if it weren't the fact that as renee says, they were putting people in prison for facebook posts , if the for facebook posts, if the spaces in prison were so tight that you just could not fit anyone else in, then fine, okay, let a few people out. if you absolutely, genuinely have no space, you can't find any temporary accommodation . but temporary accommodation. but when you manage to let one person out who's committed a disgusting crime, we've had people let out who have committed, you know, horrible, violent crimes. it's not just people who stole a packet of cnsps people who stole a packet of crisps from the sweet shop. it's not that people who are genuinely dangerous people have been let out to make for space someone who put a tweet about or a facebook post about migrants, which maybe wasn't worded amazingly. maybe, maybe sounded

like it was racist. but do you really think that that is worse? thatis really think that that is worse? that is worse than someone who has, you know , violently has, you know, violently assaulted someone? well, i'm sure no. sure ho. >> sure no. >> of course. >> of course. >> go to prison. >> go to prison. >> and that was labour's decision. that wasn't the tories. >> i think it depends. i think, yeah, i do think it depends how many people have gone to prison for a facebook post. i genuinely don't know the answer. does anyone not on this panel know the answer? i don't know, i want it to be less than one. okay, so there are 88,000 people in prison in britain, and we're talking about 20 people. so we may agree or disagree about those 20 people, but that is absolutely 0.0, nought , nought 2%. >> there were thousands. yeah >> there were thousands. yeah >> and there's still cases to come. i mean they're still working. >> well, many of the people who participated in the riots i'm delighted to see go to prison because. well, yeah, because if you're throwing burning bins into hotels. yeah. and if you're not, but there was someone that shouted a police dog, another man that waved an england flag, and they've all gone to prison. >> but you've just let out a load of people who have to go back in because they aren't rehabilitated, because actually,

i think your pipe dream of rehabilitation for certain people is labour nuttiness in a nutshell, and the management of it was a disaster. >> i mean, for certain people. >> i mean, for certain people. >> how do you dictate who that is? are you mystic meg? have you got a crystal ball? no, no. do you figure that out? >> but it's like it comes back to it's complicated and you can't say, oh, well, we're not really sure. so we're just going to bang everyone up forever. that's ludicrous. in there. >> as a, i actually agree with some of them aren't on lots of it. you know, i do. i think that we have to get people at the end of prison who have been taught to read, who have been given a skill so that they can actually make a decent life for themselves. otherwise, they're just going to go back to where they were. so maybe the answer is a combination of this, where we say to all of our major, major developers, for example, just one thing, okay, you can't have any planning permission this year unless you go into our prisons. you deliver training courses, you get your apprentices, and they're not allowed to come out of prison unless they agree to go straight into apprentices supplied by those people. >> i think that's a great idea.

i think getting the private sector involved would be a really good way of, you know, improving the situation. >> what do you say to the mother of the girl who has been murdered, that they're the perpetrator is getting a year, getting two years taken off their sentence because they've done some training courses in prison? this is wrong. this is morally wrong. i don't think many of doing it, but don't take time off. i don't. society demands justice. >> i think when we're talking about serious, serious, violent offences like murder, serious sexual crimes, i don't think these are the cohort of people we're talking about here. we're talking about people who have committed, not murderers. yeah. >> okeydokey. we'll move on from that. still to come, though. will's going to give us his take on why ed miliband's so—called climate crusade should be put to a stop. the hot air that that man lets out of his gob could power the nation. but next, doctor renee is going to tell. i don't mean you will. to be clear, i meant ed miliband. doctor renee is going to tell us why she thinks no one should be force fed jabs. more on that. i couldn't believe this story when i read it with the saturday five. my friends live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five as always. thank you very much for your messages about tonight's topics. mary poppins has written in and says rosie duffield has more guts than the entire labour party. you go into politics to make a change, not for scrounging what you can. well, you can find out more about that story on our website, but here it's time for our next debate. who wants to take the hot seat? >> oh, oh. >> oh, oh. >> take it away, doctor renee. >> take it away, doctor renee. >> okay, so we know that the covid fanatics who wanted more lockdowns , more restrictions, lockdowns, more restrictions, more masks, more vaccines always insist that nobody was ever coerced or bullied into a vaccine. the thinking amongst us know that that wasn't true, because when you're told you can't go to university without a vaccine, you know what? you have one. or on holiday or many other things. i've discovered that

this insane appetite to vaccinate people continues, but there are worse bits about it. a mother is launching a legal appeal against the court of protection and the local authority to stop them from forcibly injecting her 40 year old son with down syndrome for the third time. you heard me right . he already has had two right. he already has had two vaccines in november 23 and june 24th, long after the pandemic was really gone. in any kind of deadly or meaningful way. he'd actually even had covid, which we now know is probably the best protection that you can have against future covid being serious. so it didn't kill him then, and it won't kill him in then, and it won't kill him in the future. but the court of protection have sanctioned the local authority and his care to home drug this man in his tea without his knowledge, so that he falls asleep. and then they inject him. they've managed it twice. they've tried five times, but they managed it twice. they don't tell the mother they're going to do it until afterwards. and they certainly don't tell

adam. and adam is not his real name, by the way, because this is going to court. now, consider that adam's had covid. consider that adam's had covid. consider that approximately 84% of men and women in adam's cohort, his age range now say no to any more covid vaccinations. so only 16% voluntarily choose it . so the voluntarily choose it. so the court of protection are deciding that adam is an outlier, and he would be one of the 16% who opt to have it if he had the capacity to do so of his own volition. so then consider that you would need to inject 11,000 people like adam to stop one of them ending up in hospital just think about the costs of that and then think about the side effects of vaccination. 1 in 800 people report a side effect. some of them very serious. some have ended in death, some of them not so serious, but still side effects. the court have decided that those stats work such that adam should have the vaccination . we don't know what

vaccination. we don't know what the side effects will be of this new novel. still long term, untested mrna technology. there are doctors, cancer specialists who think that it's causing excess disease in autoimmune diseases, in cancer. but we won't know that for many years. but the court of protection have decided that adam can take that risk. what do you think i think it's criminal. >> i mean, it is interesting what you're saying. i know i've spoken to you about this off air, but i that's this is another reason why i worry about the loss of autonomy for vulnerable people in the assisted dying legislation as well, because i worry about the whole narrative around, we need to inject these people to save the nhs, to protect the nhs. they could become a burden on the nhs. i'm worried about the same kind of rhetoric being deployed in killing people effectively. >> do we trust the state to act always in our best interests? i don't either anymore. >> adrian says. renee what about those in the nhs that lost their

jobs because they wouldn't have the covid jabs? or in care care, 30,000 care workers? they weren't reinstated . so there are weren't reinstated. so there are so many questions here. where are you on this? >> i'm in this very uncomfortable position on this show of being quite uncertain. >> i have three of the pfizer, by the way. i had three i wish i hadn't, but i think three. >> the fact that this is the covid vaccine is obviously ridiculous. i'm absolutely with you there. the cost benefit analysis does not stack up. but if it was a vaccine, which we now, as a society have determined is probably a really good one to get, and the same decision was being made. and he doesn't have the agency to be able to understand that that is the good, a good thing to happen. i think that is probably justifiable, >> i think you always have to look at the data. i think you have to look at all of these things. how many people you need to vaccinate, what the risks are for this particular person, and think about it that way. i am totally against forced vaccination of anyone of anything, because i think your bodily autonomy is the one thing that you must always have. i agree with you that when you get

down to somebody who doesn't have capacity, it becomes more complex. i still sit very uncomfortably with it. >> i think it's the fact that it's essentially an experimental drug. i mean, as you say, if you have it , chloe, can i drug. i mean, as you say, if you have it, chloe, can i ask that question? >> you don't have to answer it. >> you don't have to answer it. >> no, i did, and it was as renee said, you cannot do anything. and i was in a position where it looked like the uk was about to be chucked into another big lockdown, and i thought, i need to get out of here and go to florida, where i have family . and so i jumped on have family. and so i jumped on that plane, but i had to get two vaccines to be allowed in. so i decided that it was worth it to get out of lockdown. but i regret it later when i saw, you know, all these stories coming up about the horrendous effects. but i, i feel like parents don't have a voice anymore. now, i know this is the case of someone who's actually an adult, but when that person's got autism, the parent probably still has quite a significant role in their lives. and this to me, has so many parallels with what's happened with kids being given experimental drugs, puberty blockers, and, you know, quite a few horrifying cases and scary

things happening in places like california where parents are potentially losing custody over the children. the state is able to intervene and say, no, i know how to look after your kid . i how to look after your kid. i know what i'm drugs i'm going to give them, and you don't have a say as a parent, that horrifies me. >> it horrifies me too. and we've seen a similar case to this with another mother who was overridden because her son didn't have capacity but was past the age of 18. and i think when you've got a child who will remain a child mentally for their life, that responsibility should stay with the mother if they've proven themselves to be a loving and caring mother, it should stay with them. but i agree with you in canada and the and holland now we're seeing young women who are depressed being offered euthanasia, anorexia, anorexia . would you anorexia, anorexia. would you like to kill yourself? that is not the state looking after people who need to be terrifying. >> andy, do you have any moral quandary here or do you see it as pretty black and white? >> no, i do think i think all of these things are really tricky. you know, i think there's a fundamental principle which is that people should have autonomy

over their own body and what they decide to do with it. i think obviously there are questions about capacity in certain situations and that can be those can be edge cases that can be really complex and tricky. i personally didn't feel that about the covid vaccine. i had it, i'd have it again. but i think we're talking about something quite different here. that's your choice. and i'm, you know, of course, what worries me here is that there will have been doctors involved here who should know if they've read the data, that the best protection that adam has against covid is the fact that he's had covid. >> yeah. that's it. that's all he needs. but they're still advocating for him to be injected with experimental technology. >> and then even chris whitty of course, coming out and saying that actually he thinks we went, we took it all too far. >> so what i find really uncomfortable is because obviously we are still being dictated by ideology as opposed to pragmatism. that's it. and i thought we were past that. there's no nudge theory nudge, more like a sort of pushed right into the slammer. >> anyway, still to come, my friends tonight, another bias row from the bbc over the israel—hamas war. this is hezbollah, this time, and

they're refusing to call a spade a spade. chloe dobbs is absolutely furious. you should see her right now . she's foaming see her right now. she's foaming at the mouth. next up, though, is ed miliband's green dream, about to descend into class warfare. he's taking us all for a ride . will will give us his a ride. will will give us his $0.02 and then some for your energy bills. you're with us. saturday five live on gb news

welcome back. you're with the saturday five live on gb news. brenda has just messaged in there saying that she's just settled down with a glass of wine watching the five so well, i know i've asked them no lord alli send me a bottle of now it's alli send me a bottle of now wsfime alli send me a bottle of now it's time for our next debate. who is up next i am up.

>> shout out to brenda. i hope you're enjoying that glass of red. >> sorry, eileen. her name's eileen . come on, eileen, come on. >> eileen, you know what you call a woman with one leg shorter than the other? >> eileen. eileen leave her alone to more serious matters. >> britain's last coal fired power station is closing on monday . it's a tragedy. it is a monday. it's a tragedy. it is a symbol of civilizational suicide. but more than being a symbol, it has very real consequences. the british people are being pushed to breaking point with the cost of energy pnces point with the cost of energy prices in this country, and it is only being made worse by that eco zealot ed miliband. despite loving solar energy, he is the wettest person in british politics and his latest harebrained scheme is he's now going to ban landlords from letting out properties that are not energy efficient. it's going to cost about £36 billion. when are we going to say enough is enough? these stupid policies that are not going to influence

climate change, one iota. when are the british people going to stand up to this labour government and say, we need to prioritise people in the here and now? and might i add, as the conservatives go through this elongated leadership campaign, whoever is the next leader needs to ditch this ruinous net zero policy and think about how do we actually help the british people in the here and now. enough is enough on this stupidity. >> i couldn't agree more. we're going to be talking about theresa may later and her only legacy. her only thing that she can say she did is pass into law the restrictive net zero noose by 2050, and she says that like she's proud of it. i say, how dare you ? you have absolutely dare you? you have absolutely decimated industries and ensured that the working class can't afford their energy bills. that's why we're all talking about pensioners being deprived of winter fuel subsidies. >> the thing is, for what? and i know we're all looking at andy because he's going to be the one who will take issue here.

>> now. chloe pomfret west as well. >> oh dear. look, the issue is there is no argument for it above and beyond this silly thing that we need to be a global leader. and then somehow china or russia will start listening to us. and it's a nonsense. this has no practical consequence. and as a result of that, it is pure virtue signalling that is hurting people. >> now, i agree that it is pure virtue signalling because whilst there may be differentiation between us on how pressing we think climate change is, i might think climate change is, i might think that it's more of a pressing issue than darren does. i think what we can all agree on is, regardless of how much you care about the environment, net zero is going to do absolutely bugger all. aside from harm, this country, so to speak. we're a just going to end up bringing in the fossil fuels from elsewhere because we're just not ready. yeah, exactly . a5 elsewhere because we're just not ready. yeah, exactly . as we ready. yeah, exactly. as we already are closing down coal mines and then just bringing it in from elsewhere. that makes no sense because it's one planet. it doesn't where matter where the fumes are coming from. right. and second of all, the if britain is about to go up in flames, whatever britain does, net zero or whatever, it's not going to make any difference whatsoever. our footprint is so

tiny in the grand scheme of things . it's tiny in the grand scheme of things. it's just not worth it. >> andy tom has written in and tom says it's time for a net zero referendum. let's put it to the british people. oh my god, i can't see the people power to the people. >> i can't think of anything. power. i cannot think of anything worse. well, firstly, because i trust the people. well, i don't i don't agree with referendums in principle. whatever the outcome, whether i'm in favour or not in favour for you know, i just don't think they're a good way of making decisions. we live in a representative democracy and i don't think we should have them. i certainly don't think we should have one on an issue as complex as. net zero is not the straightforward no, no, no, it's complicated. we're all too stupid. i knew, i knew, i knew you'd go down complex for ed miliband to understand, because he can't clearly see the facts that show that it's not going to make any difference. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, andy, you've just said up gb energy. guess what the danes are doing. you wind farms. how's that gb energy? >> well gb energy is an up and running yet because it's going to obviously it's going to take

time. the legislation hasn't even gone through. but anyway that's they are putting that. >> no they are taking that forward and setting up projects in its name already. >> it's got a headquarters in aberdeen. >> it's going to have a headquarter. yeah. no, i'm massively in favour of gb energy. i don't know where to start with all of this. i mean let's just take, let me this if it will make absolutely no difference to the climate. >> that's the issue. all right come on. >> because so you're you said, well, we can't just we need to look at the here and now. we shouldn't be looking at ten, 20 years forward. we should be prioritising the now part of the reason we're in a mess in so many ways, not just on net zero, but generally is because everybody, politicians are just thinking about what's happening tomorrow, what's what's the popular thing to do. and i'm afraid that we need to build resilience for the future. there is a climate crisis now. we can all agree or disagree with ways of resolving that. i'm not somebody who's going to be throwing soup over van gogh's paintings. i don't agree with that. right. okay. >> but america felt the same as you. they did. and what did what did they do? they started

becoming energy self—sufficient by fracking, by opening oil, by doing that. but at the same time as doing some renewables. so. >> so i am just sorry. >> so i am just sorry. >> just to add to, to renee's point , i >> just to add to, to renee's point, i can remember when trump pulled out of the climate accords, the paris climate accords, the paris climate accords, and the whole sort of andy esque types. >> haven't said what i think yet. >> they said , oh dear, oh dear, >> they said, oh dear, oh dear, that nasty old orange man. he's pulled us out of the paris climate accords and, you know, c02 climate accords and, you know, co2 emissions are going to go through the roof. guess what happened ? co2 emissions went happened? co2 emissions went down faster in america than they did in europe, in the european union. and that was thanks to extracting gas from the ground, which you people say isn't green, clean, green energy. >> well, i'm going to shock you and say i'm in favour of fracking. so there you go. i think we need to we need to we need an energy mix. so today i checked this before we came in. at 1.3% of our energy in britain

today is being generated by coal 1.3%. right. we have weaned ourselves off coal and the ban actually comes in. yeah, we have, but we have now weaned ourselves off coal and we have never been higher. we have. yeah. but that's because because of the war in ukraine, because what we do need coal for andy. >> andy, andy. i'm gonna i'm gonna have to leave that last. i'm sorry. after that, i just can't cope anymore. still, to come tonight. tributes to dame maggie smith .just come tonight. tributes to dame maggie smith . just stop oil maggie smith. just stop oil destroying another van gogh and his theresa may. right. but next, another bias row from the bbc over israel . and this time bbc over israel. and this time hezbollah. why can the bbc not call a terrorist a terrorist? chloe dobbs gives us her take you with the saturday five live

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saturday five. a5 welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your messages about tonight's topics. i'm hoping that actually we'll get a lot of health care questions here. renee you've started off a real a real conundrum for a lot of people, but please do get in your questions for ask the five coming up later on. gbnews.com/yoursay is the link that you need, and we'll answer some more of your emails and all the rest of it then. but now we're going to get to chloe dobbs, who ? well, she's going to dobbs, who? well, she's going to dob the bbc. >> yes, i have got a bee in my bonnet this week about the bbc because they still don't know what terrorists are. it just doesn't make sense. i mean, they've had so much backlash , they've had so much backlash, yet still they can't call a spade a spade. and what has come up this week is that they have aired a documentary called surviving october 7th. we will dance again all about the october 7th atrocities, a terrorist attack . that was in terrorist attack. that was in case the bbc did not realise.

but were they able to show the documentary unedited? oh no , documentary unedited? oh no, they had to snip a line out of it. allegedly according to the telegraph, they took out a line from the show that calls hamas terrorists . there was an opening terrorists. there was an opening title. the idf says that 3000 terrorists breached the 40 mile long border because that had the word terrorist in it that apparently did not make the cut. the director, yariv moses, said. the director, yariv moses, said. the bbc, the version they will air won't describe hamas as terrorists. it was a price i was willing to pay. so that the british public would be able to see these atrocities and decide if this is a terrorist organisation or not. the campaign against anti—semitism said that this is a shameful decision, and i absolutely agree with them. now, i was shocked by this after we recently heard that a report showed that the bbc breached their own editorial guidelines over 1500 times at the height of the israel—hamas war. after that, kicking , have

war. after that, kicking, have they still not realised that hamas are terrorists? i mean, the groupthink at the bbc just seems to be off the scale. and what i don't understand is it's the same people that deny that hamas are terrorists, the same people that deny that the people who treated women in the most, women in the most brutal and disgusting ways on october 7th, they're the same people who tend to call themselves feminists. it just doesn't make sense , renee just doesn't make sense, renee does it? >> it doesn't make sense. but none of this makes sense, because i think we're seeing for the first time in such clear pictures that the only acceptable racism is anti—semitism, and the bbc just bnng anti—semitism, and the bbc just bring that home every single day . bring that home every single day. >> it will. i mean, where are you on that ? you on that? >> i can't believe we're at this point. i think there is one thing we should be able to agree on. it is that hamas is a terrorist. now there are shades of grey and hezbollah and hezbollah. i think this is the one thing we can all agree on. and i think we need more people

to say the bloody obvious that robert jenrick coming out wearing that jumper. the other day, saying hamas is a terrorist in of itself, to led a lot of controversy. some things should be black and white. this is black and white and i can't get my head around why the bbc this cultural rot endures and there are no consequences. time and time again, i completely agree. >> we all agree hamas are a terrorist organisation. there's no two ways about that. there is no two ways about that. there is no grey area . they are no grey area. they are a terrorist organisation. actually, i watched the bbc, i'm afraid to say, and they say every time they use the word hamas on bbc news, they say proscribed as a terrorist organisation by some countries, they say that. >> well, no, they say that , >> well, no, they say that, andy, i'm 100% on that. they say by some countries, well, they are a terrorist organisation and i actually think i'm going to i am going to defend the bbc as you might expect, >> they, i think their coverage of this conflict and other conflicts in recent years has been outstanding, even though they breached their own guidelines 1500 times. i think if you look at the quality of

their coverage and the quality of the analysis at the breadth and the depth of it, the amount of time they devote to it, the amount of the number of people. >> do you think it made sense for them to cut that line out of the documentary? i don't, i don't saying that they were terrorists. is that too biased? >> i don't think that at all. and if they breached their guidelines several times on this, on 900, well, i'm not defending that. >> i'm going to read out what the bbc said. so a bbc spokesman said the bbc storyville film shows in unsparing detail the way in which hamas set out to slaughter as many people as possible at a music festival on october 7th. their descriptions of hamas as a terrorist organisation have of course, not been changed, so they argue that the opposite is true and that, you know , all hunky dory. happy you know, all hunky dory. happy days at the beeb . days at the beeb. >> now what i expect. and you know, i haven't watched the full thing through, admittedly, but what i expect that they've done is where there have been individual interviews with they interviewed, i think 20 survivors from the nova festival

that if they if they called them terrorists, you know, that was someone giving their opinion. but say the headlines at the beginning of the show, which is meant to say be the independent narrator saying that hamas are terrorists in that part. i think that they think calling hamas a terrorist is biased. i think that they think that that doesn't fit their guidelines, because i think they think that calling hamas a terrorist is an opinion. but it's not. it's just a fact, an idea. >> online, sharon has an idea. she says the bbc are shameful . she says the bbc are shameful. we all need to get the same t—shirt as robert jenrick and wear it outside the bbc. will you be there? >> but the bbc do say hamas are terrorists. and by the way, the only reason, the only reason, the only reason this documentary exists , which i have watched, is exists, which i have watched, is because the bbc put the money in to make it. >> all right. right. we've got lots more coming up on the show tonight, including a big interview. we've got tributes to dame maggie smith and theresa may. she's wrong again. all of that in just a moment. my friends . we'll see you then. friends. we'll see you then. after this short break.

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the sheltered glens. but still the sheltered glens. but still across orkney we have got some longer spells of rain here and a few showers further towards the west across northern ireland. cloudier skies in association with that area of low pressure. but further to the east you go dner but further to the east you go drier here with plenty of bright or hazy sunshine to start sunday morning , but it's going to be or hazy sunshine to start sunday morning, but it's going to be a different feel further towards the west. we've got stronger winds and we have got a met office wind warning in force through sunday with gusts 50 to 60mph, as well as some heavy outbreaks of rain, but further to the east you are. that's where we'll hold onto the best of the sunshine. perhaps just some milky skies out there feeling pleasant in the sunshine. up to 14 degrees in the north and slightly milder further towards the south. but unsettled for many of us on monday. we also have a rain warning in force for southern parts of england and wales , so parts of england and wales, so expect some difficult driving conditions and further flooding unsettled as well across northern ireland and scotland

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is the saturday five. i'm darren grimes along with, well, chloe dobbs. we've got doctor renee , dobbs. we've got doctor renee, andy williams and will kingston. plenty more to come tonight , plenty more to come tonight, including the head of counter—terror. well, his policing mission to gaslight the british public. what's all that about? and in the saturday scrap, we'll be asking if the former prime minister, mystic may, is right that the next tory leader should remember conservative values rather than listening to reform. i can't think of a better leader to take advice from. if you ask me, it's 7:00 pm and this advice from. if you ask me, it's 7:00pm and this is the advice from. if you ask me, it's 7:00 pm and this is the saturday five. yes, and is going to be defending mrs. may, which i think tells you all you need to know about conservative theresa may. more to come though as well. we've got the former durham union president joining us to discuss orwellian style

censorship that they actually faced following a debate on israel and hamas from the durham authorities, and will have a response from durham university, which is quite lengthy. so i've rehearsed it quite well, studiously like one of those durham students. and i tell you, it's quite the eye opener. and we'll be discussing boris's secret plan to invade holland for vaccines. he asked doctor renee to go with him. then we'll be answering your questions in ask the five. send them through to gbnews.com/yoursay first of all, though, it's your saturday night news with sophia wenzler. >> darren. thank you. good evening. these are your headunes evening. these are your headlines from the gb news room at 7:00. terrorist group hezbollah has confirmed their leader has been killed in airstrikes in southern lebanon.

in a tweet. this morning, the idf say hassan nasrallah will no longer be able to terrorise the world while us president joe biden says his death is a measure of justice for his many victims. the lebanese health ministry is reporting that at least 11 people have now been killed and 108 wounded in the attack . in central beirut, attack. in central beirut, soldiers and aid workers have been taking part in rescue operations looking for survivors and victims in the rubble. meanwhile iran's supreme leader, the ayatollah, has been transferred to a secure location inside his country with heightened security measures in place . back in the uk, rosie place. back in the uk, rosie duffield has resigned as a labour mp. the times newspaper is reporting that she's blaming sir keir starmer's cruel and unnecessary policies, and the freebies row that is engulfing him and his party in a resignation letter to the prime minister, she criticised the decision to keep the two child benefit cap and means test the

winter fuel payment and accused the prime minister of hypocrisy over his acceptance of free gifts from donors . in other gifts from donors. in other news, the king and queen are visiting holyrood to mark the 25th anniversary of the scottish parliament being reconvened. the celebration showcased scottish music and culture and was attended by local heroes who've been nominated thanks to their contribution to local communities. his majesty spoke of the success of the devolved parliament from that day until this, through its work over a quarter of a century, this place has not just thrived, but in doing so has borne witness to the enduring relationship between the parliament, the crown and the people of scotland . crown and the people of scotland. meanwhile, the king has also been leading tributes for national treasure dame maggie smith after she passed away yesterday at the age of 89. in a statement, the king praised her warmth and wit, while the prime

minister remarked she was beloved by so many for her talent. she leaves two sons and five loving grandchildren who were devastated by the loss of their extraordinary mother and grandmother. and finally, three people have been charged with criminal damage after soup was thrown at two van gogh paintings in the national gallery. three just stop oil activists targeted the artwork just an hour or two after two other activists were jailed for a similar protest back in 2022. stephen simpson, philippa green and mary somerville will appear at westminster magistrates court on monday. the national gallery says the two paintings targeted yesterday were removed for examination and were found to not have any damage . those are not have any damage. those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to saturday. >> five for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much , sofia. >> thank you very much, sofia. it's saturday night, my friends, and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for another very lively hour. we're going to crack on tonight with our big interview. back in june, there was a debate on the israel—hamas war at the prestigious. it's one of the most renowned unions in the country, durham union. and it was shut down after a mob of pro—palestine activists descended on the event, reportedly banging on doors and windows and preventing attendees from actually exiting from leaving. the event actually preventing freedom of expression on a university campus. that should be the bedrock in my opinion of expression. the university faced criticism for the decision, with many arguing that the protesters should have

been dealt with more robustly instead of actually dealing with the people that were wanting the debate to go ahead. now, the former union president took to x, formerly twitter, to highlight that durham union was left out of this year's freshers fair, calling the decision a domino effect from the debate cancellation. a5 domino effect from the debate cancellation. as well as going to on criticise the fact that the labour party have actually repealed or said they'd repeal the free speech protections that the free speech protections that the conservatives put in place for university campuses in particular. now, the durham student union university union has actually come out and said it's emphatic in its principles of equality and inclusion and insists that the decision was made as a result of an advertising dispute after the durham union allegedly failed to stamp out racism within the organisation. so is this a free

speech row or a simple disagreement? is it indicative? is it a sign of a crumbling, of freedom of expression within university campuses? well, i'm joined now by the former durham union president himself, jordan kiss. jordan, thank you very much for giving up your time and joining me now. jordan, can i ask you about the response from the union from the durham university themselves, where they're basically saying that they're basically saying that they say ain't right, you've got this wrong. we haven't done this for that reason. we've actually done this because of the fact that you guys ain't played ball with this deal that we agreed . with this deal that we agreed. >> well, that's nonsense , and >> well, that's nonsense, and it's nonsense because the students union is, in effect, trying to become the regulator of equality, diversity and inclusion on campus for everything free speech related. now, it's important to stress that this is not durham

university. it's the durham students union, which has its own set of trustees and its own set of principles. and it's not it's not reflective of the student population at large, the durham union society has debates that are well attended by all manners of people , and a manners of people, and a debating society lives and dies on its commitment to equality because diverging opinions are what make for entertaining debates. a5 what make for entertaining debates. as you well know on this show. and so we welcome diversity of thought and background and all these kind of things. and it's nonsense to say that our society, the durham union society, doesn't have those things. and i think it's quite slanderous to say so. quite slanderous to say 50. >> well, the word racism was actually used there . jordan actually used there. jordan worked into that statement that i just read out. worked into that statement that ijust read out. the durham su i just read out. the durham su absolutely deny that it's actually shutting down ideas, belief and opinion or thought. i mean, where is your disagreement with the fact that they argue

they don't do it? you argue they very much do. i've spoken at durham union before . i'm durham union before. i'm probably considered pretty controversial to some people. they they let me speak at the union. you know, it goes ahead. what's the problem? >> well, darren, i'll be honest with you. and i think this is the chilling effect of a government that intends to repeal the free speech in higher education act. this is a government that doesn't care about freedom of speech in an academic context. and just this past summer, i mean, just before graduations were due to occur, we had pro—palestine protesters sitting on palace green, which is the most central location at durham university, trying to cause as big of a fuss as possible. and i think at this stage the students union wants to kowtow to them and wants to essentially listen to their small minority views rather than that of the general population of durham university students. i

mean, why why is it such an issue that people here from the society, at the freshers fair, when we're such an integral part of the university experience? i think the university recognises that, and i would implore the university where they to can intervene, as they did in oxford last year when the oxford union were banned from freshers fair, they reconsidered that and the university intervened. >> yeah. renee the what? what jordan sets out there. the freshers fair, the union, the actually debating union. not not being allowed to have a stand and encourage people to debate and encourage people to debate and actually get some freedom of speech going. i think that's incredibly important to actually not wrap young minds in cotton wool and actually expose them, dare i say, to a bit of right leaning opinion that they'll never hear anywhere else? >> 100%. when i was doing my a—levels, we had a debate in society and i had to argue for the national front's manifesto. at the time, my partner, who

went on to father my child was black, but i took that to heart and i argued for the national front like it was the last thing i might do on earth. what that doesisit i might do on earth. what that does is it teaches you to actually handle differing ideas and not be able to be, you know, just horrified by them and run away. i'm wondering, jordan, is there a scarcity now of students on campus that feel the same as i do, that it's a critical part of their learning. do most of them think, oh, wonderful, i want to be protected? >> well, the durham union society, i haven't encouraged that, darren, i think you'll be able to say personally, from the experience that you've had there, it's full of people who want to engage in debate, and they want to have tough time. it's a skill in its own right to learn and so depriving students of that experience by not putting it in the freshers fair is unfair. and another thing that's often levied against union societies is that they're elitist and that they're harder to access. and there's a barrier

of entry there. you know, as someone from a working class background, i can tell you that having someone there at the stall who is normal, who can talk to you and tell you that they've had such a great time, would do wonders for reducing those barriers of entry and telling people that you're welcome. okay anyone of any background is welcome at the durham union society by saying, actually, we're not allowed there . i think that will do there. i think that will do really bad. it will do harm to the to the union's reputation in saying, actually, the society isn't, isn't open and inclusive as we are. >> jordan, very quick question . >> jordan, very quick question. andy has been speaking tonight about his views on sir keir starmer not being a hypocrite for, you know, taking more clothing than a kardashian, perhaps, and the fact that the net zero question, you know, shouldn't be up for debate in a referendum and all these other things. now i'm assuming that you have a different view to him on those issues. should he be ianed on those issues. should he be invited to speak at the durham

union, for example , union, for example, >> sir keir would of course, be welcome to come and speak at the durham union society. >> van—tam and a&e course. >> van—tam and a&e course. >> however, i would say that i think he finds coming to durham a traumatic experience after his career. >> but the point is, you would invite people that you vehemently disagree with, right? to have that the free flow of ideas that is so missing from young people right now. i mean , young people right now. i mean, chloe, you weren't at university all that long ago without meaning to sound too patronising. did you encounter a clampdown on freedom of expression? >> oh, i mean, we saw really, really similar things happen at oxford with both the oxford union and the oxford su freshers fair. so, first of all, the oxford su freshers fair, we had an issue with when my friend was su president, an issue with when my friend was su president , she an issue with when my friend was su president, she was an issue with when my friend was su president , she was receiving su president, she was receiving email after email after email insisting that she cannot allow

the oxford students for life society. that's the, anti—abortion group, mostly full of some very sweet catholic students. they can have their view. that's absolutely fine, she allowed them to have a stall despite the pressure, but protesters came in and ripped the stall down, threw all their signs in the trash and kicked them out , which signs in the trash and kicked them out, which i signs in the trash and kicked them out , which i thought was them out, which i thought was absolutely appalling, which just goes to show, i think, that students, at least at my university, they leave university, they leave university less willing to engage with opinions that they don't like than when they start, which completely goes against the point of university. and then we had at the oxford union, then we had at the oxford union, the kathleen stock event, which i attended, we had to fight absolute tooth and nail to platform a gender critical lesbian feminist who just thinks that people who are biological men shouldn't be allowed in women's changing rooms. and it is a miracle that that event went ahead. it nearly got shut down. we had to stop for half an hour because someone glued themselves to the floor in the middle. i think our universities

are in crisis. >> so both that's both jordan and both and chloe. very recent students who have similar experiences in this arena. andi why is your party not protecting freedom of expression by its attempt to repeal the tories? well, what was meant to protect and enshrine those protections on university campuses. >> so i actually don't think this is anything to do with contemporary politics. i don't think it's a labour party issue. i mean, it's a bit longer since i mean, it's a bit longer since i graduated from university. it's 12 and a bit years ago now, it's 12 and a bit years ago now, i saw exactly the same thing happenin i saw exactly the same thing happen in student politics when i was at university, which was that the student union was captured by the hard left. it wasn't a representation of reality. there was all all sorts of talk about no platforming people. i remember coca cola being banned from the student union, as if that would make a difference to coca—cola's global business not being in the university of manchester student union. so my view is actually this sort of thing in universities. it's not a new phenomenon. i think it's as old

as the hills. >> i so we left university at a similar time. andy and i disagree. my experience is the in the sydney university debating society was we still had the nutter lefties. in fact most of the members of that debating society were the nutter lefties. but the thing is, they loved debate. they loved having disagreement. loved debate. they loved having disagreement . they loved the disagreement. they loved the fight with rabid tories like me . fight with rabid tories like me. something has changed in the last decade. very, very quickly, and i think it has something to do with this phenomena around words suddenly becoming violence that the left says we're no longer interested in debating ideas that we don't like. we have to shut them down. i do think it is very much i do think there's more of a disposition towards sort of no platforming people, and i think that's a massive something like chloe was described by the left, i think when i, when i saw a huge change at university just in my few years, there, when i started this no platforming thing was just a phenomenon in the us, whereas now it's super common here in the uk. >> well, we always follow like a lapdog following the us, but jordan, on that point, andy saying this isn't a labour issue as such. i mean, do you accept that that this isn't a party

political issue? >> no , i completely disagree and >> no, i completely disagree and i disagree because i've been partial to the meetings in and around the university and the students union, which was contemporary to this legislation coming about. contemporary to this legislation coming about . okay, you speak to coming about. okay, you speak to the likes of toby young, free speech union, and they will tell you that that piece of legislation is sacrosanct. it's made the difference. okay. and a labour government that is saying that it wants to get rid of it, i think has emboldened these bad faith actors who want to silence students on campus. and i'll just say , just a final point on just say, just a final point on that. what is the alternative? if we don't have a durham union society on campus, you know, people will go online, they'll be radicalised and have extreme views and be kind of they won't see the, the, the rational debates that happen. they won't move closer to the centre and have these normal conversations. >> jordan, i think that is jordan. i think that is the critical thing here. if you don't allow open debate about things, people go underground

and it gets worse. >> yeah, that's why we need it. that's why free speech is so important. and going back to john lilburne, who was from sunderland, not too far away from durham, he fought for it quite vociferously and i think we're at risk of going back to those days. so sort of sir keir starmer, the cromwell act, who knew, who knew jordan. anyway, thank you very much . that's thank you very much. that's jordan kessler, the former durham union president who joined us there. now when approached for a comment, a durham union student's union spokesman said this in september 2023 does agreed that attendance at durham su's freshers fair would be conditional on keeping promises if voluntarily made to our to community eradicate racism in its organisation , racism in its organisation, which does accepts it needs to address, does failed to complete the work it promised even though it failed. we've agreed to help us finish the work it started . us finish the work it started. we think a good, accessible

debating society has a valuable place in our community. when does has kept its promises to students , students will decide students, students will decide if does can attend their freshers fair again. >> re—education at work. >> re—education at work. >> yeah. i mean come on. i think this is ridiculous. i think it's pathetic, i'm going to say. but i've read out your statement, so i've read out your statement, so ihope i've read out your statement, so i hope you're happy anyway. still, to come tonight in the bunch of five will be discussing boris's secret plan to invade holland for vaccines and britain's head of counter—terrorism policing denies that people were arrested for opinions on social media. i remember it quite well . next, remember it quite well. next, though, in the saturday scrap we'll be asking if theresa may is right that the next tory leader should remember conservative values rather than listening to those of reform maintaining the centre ground. send us your questions in. ask the five two

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gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. a5 welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your messages about tonight's topics. i've been told by a very angry bill that i say absolutely far too often . absolutely far too often. absolutely, bill and the your messages here, humpty says i thought that part of a university is to hear and debate different perspectives. if they start shutting down some opinions because someone doesn't like that view, it's a very slippery slope that our students are going down. and humpty, this has been happening for a long time now. it really has. and lillian's angry at you , auntie. lillian's angry at you, auntie. she says, i don't want to pay these green taxes on my energy bills. why make us pay more? why not ask the people if they want green taxes on their bills? the energy company could actually do that and then provide it. would

you sign up a&e? >> sign up for what? >> sign up for what? >> paying green taxes for environmental causes on your energy bills ? energy bills? >> i don't know how that would. i don't know how to respond to that. i don't know how that would work. yes or no? >> yeah, well, lillian, i think you've got him there. you've got him there. i don't know right now, though. it's time for tonight's main event. former prime minister theresa may she's written a piece in the times today. do you remember her? well, she's argued that the next leader of the conservative party should remember the conservative values of security, freedom and opportunity rather than listen to those who shout the loudest and that it should not be tempted to become reform lite. that's the party, and move to the right to try and compete rather than that it should keep to the centre ground. i the piece has got a glowing response

from her former cabinet colleague george osborne, a man who once called her a dead woman walking and allegedly when he was at the evening standard staff, he would say he wouldn't rest until may was chopped up in bagsin rest until may was chopped up in bags in a freezer. lovely stuff. he's changed his tune now she's playing his. i think that's quite astonishing. but is theresa may right? seconds out. it's round one. me and andy are going to take this on now. andy, i think you've never gone first in the debate section before as far as i can recall. off the top of my head, i'm going to let you go first and make this argument about why, as a labour supporter, mrs. may is absolutely spot on. >> it's very generous of you, darren, we all know and theresa may says this in her piece that elections in britain are won from the centre ground or from close to the centre ground. the centrist party has won every

general election in my lifetime. thatis general election in my lifetime. that is a fact . and theresa may that is a fact. and theresa may is absolutely right when she says that reform is nothing like the conservative party. that she joined and that she has been a member of and served as prime minister. reform is a libertarian party. there's nothing wrong with that necessarily, but it is not a conservative party. they are two different things. and she's right in her piece when she says the reason the conservatives lost the last election is because they abandoned two things. they abandoned integrity and they abandoned economic competence. and they did. they trashed both. and i'm sure that's partly why reform got 4 million votes at the general election. but if whoever the next leader of the conservative party is chases the reform vote, which by the way, is less than 10% of registered voters , if it 10% of registered voters, if it chases the reform vote and nothing else, it has no chance of coming back at the next election . election. >> i well, i'm sorry, i think actually that your idea of the centre ground, andy, is actually

one where you've moved the centre to the left and said, there it is. i've replaced it a bit like putting a tail on the donkey. you've gone inevitably to the left. i think theresa may is wrong. i think she is a woman whose only legacy and overwhelming addition to the national statute was one of giving this binding target of net zero by 2050, which i think is utterly ruinous and not in the centre ground. actually, i'd consider it to be quite an extreme policy , which is going extreme policy, which is going to immiserate the working class that isn't my idea of being in the centre ground . she's also the centre ground. she's also someone who's considered to have been quite to the right when it came to home affairs. i don't know what idea that is actually of her being to the right, given that well, under her we actually started to see the seeds of a new migration policy formed, one which has brought more people here than ever before. i think fundamentally, the conservative party lost the last election

because it didn't stand up for the values that reform have since championed, that the conservative party used to stand for in 2019. you can't say that was a centrist government, not with dominic cummings at the helm. i remember when they were screaming their heads off, saying that removing the party whip from all of those conservative mp5 who refused to back brexit was something to do with the hard right. it was akin of a party with hard right tendencies . so now of a party with hard right tendencies. so now changing your tune and saying that it's a centrist policy, i think is dupuchousin centrist policy, i think is duplicitous in the extreme. it wasn't a centrist government. it wasn't a centrist government. it was on the right. it won wasn't a centrist government. it was on the right . it won because was on the right. it won because it promised to lower taxation. it promised to reduce net migration, and it promised to actually deliver for the british pubuc actually deliver for the british public a good brexit deal. i think you are absolutely wrong. and i think you're lying to say that actually it was a centrist 2019 party. >> i, i mean, are we talking about the same boris johnson,

the same manifesto? this is the bofis the same manifesto? this is the boris johnson who created the migration policy that gave us record net migration. this is the boris johnson who was for high tax and high spend. that is what his government did promise that he didn't promise it, but he did do it. he did do it. yes, but that doesn't make it. >> it wasn't a centrist boris johnson. >> i said, i said, i said, the winner of every general election in my lifetime is the most centrist party. and it was at that election because the alternative was jeremy corbyn, which was your idea of centrism. >> i'm going to pull you up on two things. firstly, you've used a stat beautifully and selectively. you said that reform got 10% of the vote. the electorate. yes. okay. so if we're going to say that, then labour only got 20%. yeah. so don't use the 10% if you're not prepared to say that we have a government in power that only got a fifth of the electorate. no, no, no, labour got third. >> labour got 33% of they did. >> labour got 33% of they did. >> they got 30 people who voted. correct. >> sorry, i'm being clear. i'm talking about the same thing. so 48, 48 million people were registered to vote at the general election, got 14% of people who voted.

>> okay. >> okay. >> i thought it was ten. >> i thought it was ten. >> right. okay. thank you. >> right. okay. thank you. >> so i will accept that. >> so i will accept that. >> thank you. then secondly, i'm going to just reinforce what darren has just said. the reason that you believe that elections are won from the centre and you're going with theresa may is because it's true is because, yes, it is true. if the centre hadnt yes, it is true. if the centre hadn't moved so far left that it's unrecognisable at the moment. so all that we would be asking the tories to do to become tories again or be reformed, because that's where reform are. reform is where the centre was. >> but but sorry, i'll bring other people in. but the centre ground is where the majority of people are and the centre ground by definition moves. and if you're a good politician and a captivating politician, you can move the centre ground. >> i disagree, it's moving. you think it's fixed? i think that it has moved because that's what where you want it to be. you have the left, have moved it to the left. >> it's the same response. it's the same response. on saying you don't want to a referendum on net zero because you don't trust the stupid little oiks the centre ground. i just don't

think it's a good way to govern in representative democracy is whatever you want it to be is there are two political centres in this country now. >> there is a political centre in westminster and there is a become like reform. and i'm like, well, reform a there ing, become like reform. and i'm political centre amongst the like, well, reform athere is; in westminster and there is a political centre amongst the people. and it is that people. and it is that disconnect, which is what has disconnect, which is what has led to the tories having the led to the tories having the political problems that they are political problems that they are currently facing. that's the currently facing. that's the thing. the labour party, by the thing. the labour party, by the way, having the problems they're way, having the problems they're currently facing. sorry. no, no, currently facing. sorry. no, no, absolutely. absolutely. >> just following on from that >> just following on from that point, you're saying that the point, you're saying that the centre is what the majority of centre is what the majority of people think, right? the people people think, right? the people of this country in absolute of this country in absolute swathes have been asking for swathes have been asking for control of immigration for years control of immigration for years and years and years. right. you and years and years. right. you might call someone right wing might call someone right wing who says, right, we want no who says, right, we want no immigration whatsoever, right? immigration whatsoever, right? all we're asking for is let's all we're asking for is let's just not have an invasion of the just not have an invasion of the southern border . let's know southern border . let's know southern border. let's know who's coming in this country. southern border. let's know who's coming in this country. and when it comes to legal and when it comes to legal migration, maybe have a number migration, maybe have a number where we can kind of keep up where we can kind of keep up with our house building with our house building infrastructure, health care and infrastructure, health care and all the rest of it. there's all the rest of it. there's nothing right wing about that. nothing right wing about that. and what i don't understand in and what i don't understand in what theresa may is saying is, what theresa may is saying is, oh, you need to focus on oh, you need to focus on security, but you don't need to security, but you don't need to become like reform. and i'm become like reform. and i'm

like, well, reform are like, well, reform are saying we just ago. i don't think

13 years ago. i don't think she's great at all. i think she was a bad prime minister, but i think she's right on this. okay. >> all right. we'll leave that one there. thank you very much. still ahead in the bunch of five will be discussing boris's secret plan to invade holland for vaccines. and britain's head of counter—terrorism policing denying people were arrested for opinions on social media. we'll also get to rosie duffield. lots of people very, very excited about that one. next, though, we'll be answering your questions in ask the five. send them through to gbnews.com/yoursay. you're with the saturday five live on gb

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in our national interest. and it's a good thing that we left that corrupt cabal of nations and didn't attack a fellow nato country. yeah, well , listen, i'm country. yeah, well, listen, i'm all for a small war. >> i think the thought, though, of boris in commando gear and an inflatable dinghy crossing the channel. and then i think you hear that, and you just think that's so, boris. >> and speaking of whether this is going to be good or bad for his legacy, boris will be lucky if people remember him for his wacky, crazy personality, rather than all the lockdowns that he chucked us into complete disorganisation in downing street and all the rest of it. so i think this is for good his legacy. >> renee you've got the story of the night. come on, this is some breaking news. >> okay, so i have a very long letter here from rosie duffield to keir starmer resigning the labour whip. and i'm going to summarise it for you because it is such an eviscerating letter. but basically she calls keir starmer cruel, authoritarian ,

starmer cruel, authoritarian, undemocratic, nepotistic , undemocratic, nepotistic, heartless and that he ignored anti—semitism within the party. she says that he's no different to any other government and he won't deliver change, and that he has no understanding of how angry the labour backbenchers are. and i would say she is as angry as we are as people. and she says that he's not a party of service, that the sleaze , of service, that the sleaze, nepotism and apparent avarice are off the scale. i am so ashamed of what you and your inner circle have done to tarnish and humiliate our once proud party. wow. she has taken him apart and she says i now have no confidence in his commitment to deliver change. >> wow wow wow. what? >> wow wow wow. what? >> you really think? presumably. i mean, this is eviscerating, but presumably renee. she's also taking umbrage with the fact that he can't tell who's a feller and who's a dame. >> i think she'd already taken umbrage with that. so i think, you know, good on rosie, i think good for you standing up, resigning the whip, which none

of those labour backbenchers were able to do when voting to in kill old people in winter. they just abstained instead, the coward's way out. rosie has done her deed. >> andy, one of our viewers, says. >> andy, one of our viewers, says . anthony says rosie says. anthony says rosie duffield shows the rest of the labour backbenches for the cowards that they are. i'm just hoping to get some of keir's hand—me—downs with all those new clothes. >> oh, very , very good, good. >> oh, very, very good, good. thatis >> oh, very, very good, good. that is very good. yeah, yeah, i think we've all of the jokes have been done about clothes. no, i think this would be a really big story if rosie duffield had even the slightest iota of influence in politics are so condescending. >> labour party, anyone who doesn't agree , do you think, do doesn't agree, do you think, do you say that about every backbencher on the on the labour backbenches? >> no, it depends on who it is. and i don't think i just don't think rosie duffield effectively left the labour party quite a long time ago. it's well known that she she has fallen. it's well known that she's fallen because there's a massive difference of opinion around what is it in particular that

makes her diverge from the labour party, in your opinion? it's not in my opinion, they've fallen out. this is a personal thing. no, no, no, this is a personal specifics on what a personal specifics on what a personal thing about trans rights. it's not personal. >> it's a view. >> it's a view. >> it's a view that a man is a man and a woman is a woman. >> it became a personal matter. so it started out as an ideological difference of opinion, and it became and has become a personal divergence between rosie duffield and members of the survivor of domestic abuse. >> and she says that actually she wants to protect single—sex spaces. >> just to be clear, i'm not making a i'm not making a cosmological a&e. >> that ain't ideology. >> that ain't ideology. >> this this adds to this. >> this this adds to this. >> oh, hang on, i'll just let him answer. >> no, because i'm not making a comment about the trans rights issue whatsoever. it's nothing to do with that. the point is, she has had a massive fallout with the frontbench of the labour party. they do not get on.she labour party. they do not get on. she was going to resign anyway at some point. i'm just being telling the truth about the fact that this doesn't make you won't remember this in six months. nobody watching. no you won't renee for you. nobody you won't. >> i'll buy her a pint. now,

will the fact of the matter here do you think she should go to reform uk? >> i think it's unlikely. but, you know, i would advocate for anyone who is currently sitting in westminster to go to reform and this adds to the perception of chaos. regardless of her standing in the labour party. it's just another thing to add to the list. my question to you would be if this just continues and continues just to somehow survive this term. >> i couldn't guarantee it. right now, it's not going very well. >> all right. >> all right. >> well, thank you very much for that. now i want to talk to you about the bbc. they're going to slash apparently prosecutions of women who evade the licence fee, or rather, who don't pay it right, who decide that they'll make non—payment of the licence fee to watch live television. of course. now i've decided, my friends, that if the bbc are going to do this, that from here on out, i want you to know me as doreen grimes. i would like to

be able to get away with the evasion of paying for gary lineker's salary. and if the bbc are going to allow women to do that, i very much doubt they're going to question me as a trans woman for my right to evade the licence fee. i think this is right. >> this is the most bizarre story i have heard in quite a while. so number one, the bbc actually aren't prepared to say what a woman is and to differentiate between women and men, but to suddenly say that we're not going to prosecute women for fee evasion because it's not just we're sexism. >> yeah, well, it is, but they do tend to catch more women at home because single mothers and all the rest of it. so they are primarily prosecuting women. there is a massive, massive increase in the number of women being prosecuted for non—payment of the licence fee. but here's a bright idea scrap the licence fee. let people be free to choose right. chloe what have you got for us? >> well, we've got a police

chief who is in complete denial of the fact that anyone was ever arrested for an opinion on social media. and we just know this not to be true. so we've had matt jukes, the police chief, has got in a spat with elon musk. everyone seems to be getting in a spat with elon musk at the moment, and he is telling off elon musk for likening the british policing response to the riots and various social media posts to soviet union under stalin. right. and i think that elon musk was quite right to say that. and even if the police chief doesn't agree with him, let him have an opinion, believe in free speech. but this police chief, he is in complete and utter denial because he's saying that people were only arrested if they were threatening violence or inciting others to commit acts of violence. and we just know that not to be the case. we have heard case after case. we have heard case after case of people being put in prison for their opinions online. they may not have written them in the nicest way, but if you ask me, you should

only be chucked behind bars if you explicitly incite violence. now this guy, he goes even further. he doesn't just criticise elon musk for his comments. he says that he wishes that the online safety bill would go harder and faster , and would go harder and faster, and that we would have even more of a crackdown on legal but harmful speech. >> yeah, well, i mean, i couldn't disagree with that more, but sadly, we're out of time. >> andy, what have you got for us, >> just a very quick tribute, and i'd like to ask eileen and everyone else with a glass in their hand tonight to raise their hand tonight to raise their glass to maggie smith, a great british icon, a legend of stage, screen , television and stage, screen, television and just one of the greats. we've got a clip. good on you, maggie. >> i work forever. if we're asked, but you're always asked first, if i may say so. asked, but you're always asked first, if i may say 50. don't tell me i'm turning on you now. it's all coming out now . it's all coming out now. >> well, i mean, she . >> well, i mean, she. >> well, i mean, she. >> i would have loved to have met her. i think she's brilliant. and she was a good

friend of kenneth williams, who i think is absolutely superb. >> i wonder if they made them like maggie anymore. >> actually, no, i don't think they do. >> she had such a wicked sense of humour as well. >> yeah, well, yeah, i bet she would have voted for rosie duffield. she knew what a woman was . was. >> she did. >> she did. >> she did. >> she was always bringing it. >> she was always bringing it. >> do you know who she is? i do all right. did you watch any of her work? >> she's harry potter generation. >> i honestly, i rarely watch harry potter. i don't watch harry potter. i don't watch harry potter, and i haven't watched downton abbey, but i know and i genuinely don't know. >> and she doesn't watch a lot of television with the family. yes, indeed, god rest you , yes, indeed, god rest you, maggie. and thank you for all of the memories that you've given us throughout your career. now still ahead , we're going to still ahead, we're going to answer all of your questions in ask the five. now, no topics are off limits. what have you got in store for us week? i'm quite . you're with the saturday five live

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i mean, maybe if you go on on >> i mean, maybe if you go on on a night out with ed miliband, he'll get his ukulele out and start singing some tunes. >> oh, i think i would rather, i don't know, i'd rather bath and bake. >> i'd rather be on my own. >> i'd rather be on my own. >> yeah, i'd rather be on my own than any of these people. >> are you? yeah. >> are you? yeah. >> he's. he's actually quite interesting guy, believe it or not. no he is. and keir, like keir starmer likes a pint. >> he stabbed his brother in the back.i >> he stabbed his brother in the back. i remember that about ed miliband. they've never spoken of a man. well well okay. next question ian asks this. how would each of you describe your political position? how would you each describe your political position? well libertarian, you

should be allowed to do what you should be allowed to do what you want to do to the extent it want to do to the extent it doesn't hurt other people. doesn't hurt other people. >> oh, that's interesting >> oh, that's interesting because i am a libertarian, but because i am a libertarian, but i'm also conservative. i'm also conservative. >> i'm not a libertarian at all. >> i'm not a libertarian at all. and i'd say i'm probably an old and i'd say i'm probably an old fashioned liberal when it fashioned liberal when it actually meant liberalism in the actually meant liberalism in the classical sense and not this new classical sense and not this new fangled. i'm going to bleach my fangled. i'm going to bleach my hair, chop off my breasts and hair, chop off my breasts and all the rest of it and throw all the rest of it and throw paint at of paint. yeah, van paint at of paint. yeah, van gogh and all the rest of it, gogh and all the rest of it, >> chloe, first of all, i'd say >> chloe, first of all, i'd say i'm not far right. i'm just i'm not far right. i'm just right so far, yes. second of right so far, yes. second of all, i would say i'm typically a all, i would say i'm libertarian, but there are certain things, i.e. open border policies i used to be in favour of. and then the past few years, like many people, i've been very much turned around on that an open border is no border , open border is no border, >> i'm on the centre left , open border is no border, >> i'm on the centre left, and i think the two most important things for me are equality of opportunity, things incredibly important. give everyone an equal start in life and let their talent shine through. and

their talent shine through. and the other is investing in

right so far, yes. second of all, i woulthey i'm right so far, yes. second of all, i woulthe bibby stockholm? yeah. >> it's certainly better than letting prisoners off into the streets early. yeah, well, exactly. >> so i think, you know, that's it for me now. right. thank you very much to our guest tonight, michael has said david lamia's, prime minister. let's go. totally nuclear. >> that's a take. >> that's a take. >> next up, though, it's the brilliant leo kearse with the saturday night showdown. cheers very much for watching. we'll see you again next week . see you again next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . sponsors of boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office. looking ahead to sunday, it's going to be dry in the east. wet and windy in the west with heavy spells of rain and strong winds. so we've had a ridge of high pressure over us through today and through this evening. so that's giving some

settled conditions. but this is the area of low pressure waiting out in the wings for sunday. but back to this evening . many back to this evening. many places seeing a dry night tonight with clear spells . we'll tonight with clear spells. we'll still see a few showers around, especially across north western england and across scotland as well , but on england and across scotland as well, but on the whole we'll see some clear skies and that will allow temperatures to fall. so we may see a touch of frost, but also some mist and fog patches to start sunday morning. but it will be a chilly start out there for some of us, especially across parts of scotland, where we'll see a touch of frost in the sheltered glens. but still across orkney we have got some longer spells of rain here and a few showers further towards the west across northern ireland. cloudier skies in association with that area of low pressure, but further to the east you go dner but further to the east you go drier here with plenty of bright or hazy sunshine to start sunday morning. but it's going to be a different feel further towards the west. we've got stronger winds and we have got a met office wind warning in force

through sunday with gusts 50 to 60mph, as well as some heavy outbreaks of rain. but further to the east you are. that's where we'll hold onto the best of the sunshine. perhaps just some milky skies out there feeling pleasant in the sunshine. up to 14 degrees in the north and slightly milder further towards the south. but unsettled for many of us on monday. we also have a rain warning in force for southern parts of england and wales , so parts of england and wales, so expect some difficult driving conditions and further flooding unsettled as well across northern ireland and scotland throughout much of monday. but turning drier as we head into tuesday and wednesday with temperatures up to 18 degrees by, looks like things are heating up . heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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