era. sad moments britain has closed its last surviving coal fired power station , in a move fired power station, in a move that coincides also with the closure of the last blast furnace at one of the world's biggest steelworks in wales. thousands will wake up tomorrow without jobs in a move that is bound to have devastating effects on its local communities. i'll be speaking to lee anderson about this in a bit. of course, a former coal miner and record numbers of asylum seekers claiming to be children have been caught out after they lied to gain extra protection from being sent home. now, two years ago, an aspiring royal marine was fatally stabbed by an illegal immigrant pretending to be 14 years old when actually he was 19 and a double killer. when will the government learn its lesson .7 government learn its lesson? well, it's the show. we've got a cracker ahead. all of that to

come. so do get in touch with your thoughts on today's topics by going to gbnews.com/yoursay. is it a good idea for reform and the tory parties have a non—aggression pact, or is that thing? is that the way madness lies? let me know your thoughts. but first, here's your news headunes but first, here's your news headlines and it's sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> martin. thank you. good evening. these are your headunes evening. these are your headlines at 7:00. it's being reported that israel has informed the us of plans for a potential ground assault on lebanon, with troops reportedly positioned for an incursion. it comes as the country's prime minister benjamin netanyahu, said there is nowhere in the middle east that israel cannot reach. meanwhile, reuters is reporting hezbollah has attacked israel using a ballistic missile. it comes after the lebanese prime minister has said up to 1 million people have been displaced, as fighting between israel and hezbollah continues.

the uk government has confirmed this afternoon that it secured more seats on commercial aircrafts to allow british nationals to leave lebanon . now nationals to leave lebanon. now back in the uk , tory leadership back in the uk, tory leadership contender kemi badenoch has now said that we should find a way to make life easier for those who are starting families. this badenoch was speaking at an event with the conservative women's organisation and said people are scared to have families. this comes fresh off the back of comments she made over the level of maternity pay being excessive. miss badenoch has since gone back on this, saying her comment was part of a longer discussion on maternity pay longer discussion on maternity pay is quite important and this was actually a long discussion we were having about the role of the state in deciding what businesses should do. >> we need to decide who's going to be leader of the party. not the left, not the guardian, not the left, not the guardian, not the bbc, just conservatives. i was interrupted as i was answering a different question. the point i'm making is that if we lighten the burden on business, they will be able to

help solve these problems rather than what kate was asking me should the government increase it? should the government do this or that? there is too much government already. things aren't getting any better . maybe aren't getting any better. maybe we should try something else. >> now, in other news, police have named an eight year old boy who died after being shot on a farm in cumbria. as jay cartmel of frizington, cumbria police, said they were called to reports of the boy being injured by a firearm on saturday. he was taken to hospital and sadly died overnight, having suffered injuries to his head and face. a man has now been arrested on suspicion of gross negligent manslaughter and has been bailed. now teachers have accepted the government's 5.5% pay accepted the government's 5.5% pay rise offer, 95% of national education union members who responded voted to accept the pay responded voted to accept the pay offer. the union's general secretary, daniel kobedi , said secretary, daniel kobedi, said our members should be proud of what they have achieved through a hard fought campaign and the

uk's biggest steelworks has ended production today after more than a century of operation. blast furnace four is the final furnace operating at tata steel's plant in port talbot. from today it will be shut down, putting around 2000 people out of work . those are people out of work. those are the latest gb news headlines. now it's back to martin for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news. >> dot com forward slash alerts . >> dot com forward slash alerts. >> dot com forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much, sophia. now. welcome to gbn tonight with me, martin daubney. well day two of the tory party conference. and the best idea that's come out of it so far is for the conservatives to stand down and to let reform through . tory to let reform through. tory heavyweights and brexiteer lord frost warned that the tories

could disappear if they don't move to the right . and the move to the right. and the former prime minister, liz truss, even admitted that she lost her seat because of reform . lost her seat because of reform. and earlier today, my fellow gb news presenter and the former chairman of the tory party, sir jacob rees—mogg , suggested that jacob rees—mogg, suggested that the tories should step aside in seats that reform can win . now seats that reform can win. now what if we were to say at the next election, as we did to the liberal unionists, we will not oppose reform in those 98 seats? >> i would certainly be open to that as a real opportunity to reform to win seats from labour. >> superb stuff. now surely if reform need to learn from the liberals by putting all the resources where we know they're going to win, then surely the tories need to do the same. well, joining me live from birmingham is the conservative mp for rayleigh and wickford. mark francois, one of the giants

of brexit. mark always an absolute delight to have you on the show. so sirjacob rees—mogg put the cat amongst the pigeons last time. nigel farage stood aside. next time is it time for the tories to play second fiddle? well jacob is a very old friend of mine. >> we go back many years, but on this one i'm afraid i see it slightly differently. you know, i've just fought a very difficult general election campaign and, you know, reform are out there to defeat us. they weren't there to help us. they weren't there to help us. they were trying to take us out. so i think it's far too soon to talk about any kind of pact or alliance with reform. not when we've just fought a very difficult general election with them opposing our candidates. >> but, mark, as you know, there's been a lot of talk for a long time about reform splitting the vote in seats they can't win in. and that's why, in fact,

nigel farage took that decision to stand down in over 300 seats, handed a huge majority to your party when boris was the prime minister and now it seems like when you look at the metrics, there are a lot of seats that there are a lot of seats that the tory party can't win from the tory party can't win from the labour party . reform field the labour party. reform field a very, very strong campaigns, very, very strong campaigns, very strong candidates. so in terms of pure metrics, if you want to get the labour party out, maybe it's time to do some sort of non—aggression pact. that's the precise thing that the labour party have been doing. the liberal democrats pull your resources , fight where pull your resources, fight where you can win to get the labour party out of power. surely that's your common goal. >> i think it's too early for that, for the reason i've just given. but this i will say it is true that in 2019, nigel stood down a number of then the brexit party candidates because he realised that only if the conservatives won with a good majority . after three years of majority. after three years of absolute stalemate in

parliament, would we be able to complete brexit and leave the european union, which we did. it is also true that at the time my party did not say thank you when we probably should have done . we probably should have done. and i think a lot of the tension between ourselves and reform, if i'm being candid, goes back to that time and i know people that were in the brexit party and are now in reform who have never really forgiven for us not thanking them for doing the right thing . so i understand why right thing. so i understand why they feel strongly on this, but i still think it is too early. having just come through a gruelling general election to be talking about pacts and alliances, but let us see how this pans out over the next few years . i this pans out over the next few years. i hope this pans out over the next few years . i hope that this pans out over the next few years. i hope that is a balanced and reasonable reply. >> well, you say that thanks

need to be given a thank you to nigel farage. what would that look like, a bottle of champagne? i think he's got enough of those. what kind of thank you. do you think he would respond to mark? >> no. i mean, my point is, is. and i'm being candid here, we should have said thank you at the time . and we didn't, but you the time. and we didn't, but you didn't. and i happen to know that well, but i've just admitted that i've been candid about it. and there are a lot of shouting matches within the brexit party when he took that decision and the conservative party then won by 80 seats and the conservative party did not thank him for taking that decision . and as i say, i mean, decision. and as i say, i mean, that was five years ago. now, as i say , i think a lot of the i say, i think a lot of the tension between us and reform. i'm trying to give a very sensible answer to your question rather than play knockabout with it . i think a rather than play knockabout with it. i think a lot of the rather than play knockabout with it . i think a lot of the tension it. i think a lot of the tension between our party and what was

the brexit party and is now the reform party goes back to that episode in 2019. does that mean we could never cooperate with them? yeah. yeah. sorry. >> and so what might that look like? because there's a lot of people thinking , mark, that the people thinking, mark, that the brexit party as it was then and i was a candidate for the brexit party, i stood against lee anderson in ashfield. he's on the show later on. we're great friends now. we put our differences to one side. the best man won. i stood and fought a lot, didn't. a lot of people felt mark francois. the tory party was granted a massive majority that you simply squandered. and we find ourselves in a position now of thinking, well, what was the point in handing those seats over to the conservative party? so therefore with the with the benefit of hindsight, with the knowledge of history and your own admission that there was no thanks at the time, surely a more sensible grown up route is to try and work to unite the right to get the labour party out of power. i know you're being candid, but i'd like. i'd

prefer it if you were more direct. >> well, here's someone who's accusing me of not being direct, what we're for here this week. you know, we have to choose a party leader. i'm not going to be the leader of the conservative party on the 2nd of november. one of four people are. i've come out for robert jenrick. partly because i think he's taken a very robust and sensible attitude on the echr something that we need to do to win back reform voters. but what you're talking about is going to be something that our new leader. i hope it's robert, but whoever our members pick, you know, is going to have to think about very carefully. and i'm not going to pre—empt whoever wins that competition. but i do think if we do have to have some discussions in the future, i think the best person to even consider that is robert jenrick. >> there we go. mark francois .

>> there we go. mark francois. superb. so, mark, if robert jenrick gets in, he might be the right man to speak to nigel farage. mark francois, thank you for giving us your time at the conference to speak to us here on gbn tonight. thank you very much. now join me now. in my panelis much. now join me now. in my panel is trevor kavanagh and the former political editor of the sun and gb news political edhon sun and gb news political editor, commentator nigel nelson. let's start that again. let's. trev, let's start with you . i just let's. trev, let's start with you. i just think let's. trev, let's start with you . i just think here there's you. i just think here there's a goodidea you. i just think here there's a good idea waiting to get out. jacob rees—mogg. of course he's not an mp anymore but he's floated the idea out there a lot of people in response to this idea today have been saying one of two things. yes, absolutely. we need to unite the vote to get the labour party out of power and secondly, no chance at all. the conservatives can't be trusted. what's your take? >> well, i think what jacob said articulated a view which is echoed right through the conservative party, at least out in the constituencies among conservative supporters. and i think that there's a certain inevitability about this

because, the reform party stands where former tory voters who have moved away from the tories to either labour or to reform, that's where they stand. they actually are the voters who have abandoned the tories. so it's a constituency which is waiting to be picked up. nigel is more or less picked it up. the second thing is that none of the existing four candidates would want to do a deal with reform, but they may be forced. and the reason for that is that nigel, according to the latest opinion polls, is far more popular than any of them. and in fact, in some cases added together. >> and isn't that the trouble, nigel nelson, that, if we look back to coalitions, can you imagine nigel farage playing the role of nick clegg? no, not at all. >> i mean , the only the only way >> i mean, the only the only way that the tories and reform could combine is if nigel was leading it. so i don't think that's going to happen. i also don't see any reason why the tories

should go this way, that the this was a really weird election. so we ended up in a situation where a third of the voters ended up because of first past the post, delivering two thirds of the mps. that means that vote is actually quite fragile. so i hope labour managed to get their their ten years in power to complete their programme . but if years in power to complete their programme. but if i years in power to complete their programme . but if i was sitting programme. but if i was sitting there in the tory party, i'd be saying the next election is not lost. the tory party can win it as the tories and in the meantime, we don't know what will happen to reform in the interim. we've still got another five years to go before the election comes round. reform may not be with us by that time . not be with us by that time. well, okay. >> so trevor is part of the problem here is that the conservatives there, the conservatives, they have this sense of entitlement. we're the ones who brokered deals. you should bow to our demands. and that happened in 2019. now the brand as nigel farage said earlier on today, the brand is broken. the brand is in is in huge trouble. have they got the credibility of the trust and the

competence left? does it have to be a public arrangement? could there be some backroom deal? i mean, it seems to me like the labour party and the liberal democrats weren't treading on each other's toes and a huge amount of constituencies. they didn't seem to campaign where they knew each other , couldn't they knew each other, couldn't win. they deployed resources intelligently and maybe even covertly. could that work? >> well, first of all, i think that self feeling of self—entitlement is gone. it's been destroyed, but i do think there's something else. i mean, there's something else. i mean, there's a really strong likelihood that none of the four candidates, whoever is the winner of this contest, will be leading the party into the next election. and for the last year and a half, what makes you say that? i just feel that there's. they're very young and inexperienced, and i think they're going to have a terrific job trying to pull the conservative party around. it needs a very strong voice. and this is where i move on to the next point. there's been a lot of talk for about 18 months about a pact at some point

between a returning, triumphant bofis between a returning, triumphant boris johnson and nigel farage, just as there was as you keep pointing out in 2019, to me that seems pretty much as impossible as anything else. but it is a runner as a rumour, and i think that boris definitely wants to come back, given the chance , come back, given the chance, given the opening, i think there might be an opening and if there were, then that possibility becomes a probability even more juicy. >> thank you very much , trevor. >> thank you very much, trevor. nigel. superb opening to the show . now coming up, tata show. now coming up, tata steel's final blast furnace at port talbot was fully shut down. sadly at 5 pm. today. and britain's last surviving coal fired power station also finally closed its embers. thousands of job losses and the impact on communities no one in government seems to fully comprehend. i'll have lee anderson on this

next. welcome back to gbn tonight with me martin daubney. now, the remaining embers of britain's last coal fired power station at ratcliffe on soar have finally been smouldered down. as a kid, i could see the plumes of steam from ratcliffe fired by coal dug by my dad , bob, who worked at by my dad, bob, who worked at nearby cotgrave pit for 47 years. there he is in his prime now. today marks the end of more than 140 years of the coal industry in the uk. that's my dad, bob again. but it's no coincidence that today the last blast furnace at port talbot was also extinguished for the final time. now, of course, the death of coal and steel has been a hurrah by the labour party and the net zero zealots. well, joining me now is the man who knows a thing or two about life underground. and that is, of course, lee anderson , mp for station. this this drax power station lee at one time burning station. this this drax power station lee andersonne burning station. this this drax power station lee anderson ,5 burning station. this this drax power course, lee anderson, mp for ashfield and a former coal miner station lee anderson ,5 buforgg course, lee anderson, mp for ashfield and a former coal miner

himself . lee, welcome to the himself . lee, welcome to the himself. lee, welcome to the show. always a pleasure. we've himself. lee, welcome to the show. always a pleasure. we've talked we've spoken before, lee, talked lee, about the importance and the talked we've spoken before, lee, about the importance and the integrity and the pride that integrity and the pride that coal gave to britain, to the coal gave to britain, to the working classes , to the working classes , working classes, to the midlands. today's final winding working classes, to the midlands. today's final winding down of ratcliffe on soar as down of ratcliffe on soar as talismanic lee anderson. what's talismanic lee anderson. what's your thoughts? your thoughts? >> yeah, it is martin. it is a >> yeah, it is martin. it is a sad day indeed. you know i you sad day indeed. you know i you know i've got a close affinity know i've got a close affinity with this power station. in with this power station. in fact, you know, not only did fact, you know, not only did your dad work at a coal mine your dad work at a coal mine which supplied coal at this to which supplied coal at this to this power station, i also this power station, i also worked at a coal mine, welbeck worked at a coal mine, welbeck colliery, which supplied coal to colliery, which supplied coal to this power station back in the this power station back in the day. i actually went on a visit day. i actually went on a visit there many, many years ago and i there many, many years ago and i catch the train to london right catch the train to london right at the side of this power at the side of this power station. east midlands parkway station. east midlands parkway every single week. be very, very every single week. be very, very sad to see it go, but this, sad to see it go, but this, martin actually is a massive act martin actually is a massive act of self—harm in our country. of self—harm in our country. once again, we've seen the once again, we've seen the steelworks go. we've seen oil steelworks go. we've seen oil refinery go. we've seen the last refinery go. we've seen the last coal fired power station. go. coal fired power station. go. and guess what? we still need and guess what? we still need these things. you know we need these things. you know we need

steel. we need coal. we need all steel. we need coal. we need all this . martin. steel. we need coal. we need all this . this. martin. it's absolute madness. unlike you just said in this. martin. it's absolute madness. unlike you just said in your introduction there, there your introduction there, there will be some lunatics around. will be some lunatics around. you know, the net zero lunatics. you know, the net zero lunatics. they'll be partying tonight . you they'll be partying tonight . you they'll be partying tonight. you know what? there's a lot of they'll be partying tonight. you know what? there's a lot of people in this country people in this country scratching their heads and scratching their heads and thinking, why? why do we let thinking, why? why do we let this madness continue? it's this madness continue? it's absolute lunacy . absolute lunacy . absolute lunacy. >> but we've seen with this absolute lunacy. >> but we've seen with this labour government the direction labour government the direction of travel couldn't be clearer. of travel couldn't be clearer. nonh nonh of travel couldn't be clearer. north sea oil. well, it's just of travel couldn't be clearer. north sea oil. well, it's just stop oil. as far as the labor stop oil. as far as the labor party are concerned, we've seen party are concerned, we've seen with port talbot. okay, that has with port talbot. okay, that has been winding down for some time. been winding down for some time. it's labour party that put the it's labour party that put the final stake through its heart final stake through its heart today. final stake through its heart today . same with ratcliffe and today. final stake through its heart today . same with ratcliffe and today. same with ratcliffe and we saw with whitehaven the today. same with ratcliffe and we saw with whitehaven the proposed coal mine up in cumbria proposed coal mine up in cumbria last week, lee anderson, they're last week, lee anderson, they're all getting the chop because of all getting the chop because of net zero. now we haven't seen net zero. now we haven't seen any jobs emerging. we were any jobs emerging. we were promised thousands of jobs where promised thousands of jobs where are they. >> well this is, this is our are they. >> well this is, this is our this is our ridiculous tim this is our ridiculous tim martin. you know, just go up a martin. you know, just go up a couple of hours up into north couple of hours up into north yorkshire. we have drax power yorkshire. we have drax power station . this this drax power station . this this drax power

station. this this drax power station. this this drax power station was at one time station. this this drax power station. this this drax power station was at one time burning coal from a local coal mine. and guess what? you know the stupidity that, you know, the stupidity that, you know, the stupid times we live in at the moment, we now importing stupid times we live in at the moment, we now imwe:ing stupid times we live in at the moment, we now im we are from north america. we are chopping down trees and forests and shipping this over the atlantic in diesel guzzling cargo ships, making it into into wood pellets and then grinding it. and we're burning it in drax power station. we are told this is renewable energy because trees will grow again. and guess what it's costing us or costing everybody in the country £1 million a day in subsidies to keep this power station open. it's absolute madness. the lunatics have taken over the asylum . asylum. >> lee, this is proof. do you think that the labour party, they used to represent the working man? i mean, back in the days of all the coal strikes, the labor party was very much in favour of the working man of the coal mines staying open coal not dole. in fact, they were shouting now it's dole, not coal. >> it is. yeah. i mean it's you

coat.— >> it is. yeah. i r.aan it's you coal. >> it is. yeah. i r. put it's you coal. >> it is. yeah. i r. put meyou coal. >> it is. yeah. i r. put me out >> very tactfully. put me out a few more drinks. lee anderson, thank you very much for joining us on the show. always an thank you very much for joining us on the show. always an absolute delight to have your absolute delight to have your company. well, joining me now company. well, joining me now back in the studio is my panel back in the studio is my panel of trevor kavanagh and also the of trevor kavanagh and also the former. he's the former former. he's the former political editor of the sun and political editor of the sun and of course, an gb news senior of course, an gb news senior political commentator, nigel political commentator, nigel nelson. nigel, let's start with nelson. nigel, let's start with you this time about the fact we you this time about the fact we all know historically, the all know historically, the labour party was the party of labour party was the party of labourers, of the working class. labourers, of the working class. yes, it was of the working man. yes, it was of the working man. and now the last vestiges of and now the last vestiges of british industry in one day have british industry in one day have been consigned to the scrap heap been consigned to the scrap heap that's happened on the labour that's happened on the labour party's watch. >> well, i mean, it's been it's party's watch. >> well, i mean, it's been it's been coming for some time. i been coming for some time. i mean, it was the, the tory party mean, it was the, the tory party that originally agreed the that originally agreed the target to get rid of coal. and target to get rid of coal. and all that's happened is it's all that's happened is it's happened a year early is the happened a year early is the right thing to do . that. and the right thing to do . that. and the right thing to do. that. and the same thing applies to steel. it right thing to do. that. and the same thing applies to steel. it doesn't mean steel making is doesn't mean steel making is overin doesn't mean steel making is overin doesn't mean steel making is over in this country. what tata over in this country. what tata steel is now is now doing is steel is now is now doing is

replacing the blast furnaces replacing the blast furnaces using fossil fuels. and by 2028, using fossil fuels. and they'll have electric arc furnaces , which are furnaces, which are environmentally friendly. >> it's inferior. it's inferior steel. and it and it provides much, much fewer jobs. >> well, i mean it does there it does. it does in the steel industry. you're absolutely right. i'm not sure about inferior steel. rather it rather depends what they're coming up with because because blast furnace steel is much, much stronger than arc furnace steel. >> it's a proven fact. it has much more structure. >> i mean, they're used for obviously we'll keep importing it from china and india. obviously there's different steel for different things, but this this stuff should be able to go and build the wind turbines that we're trying to get. the point really is that this is a journey towards net zero. if it works out properly. we're talking about 650,000 green jobs that will fall. >> where are they? i've been heanng >> where are they? i've been hearing this for months and months . i've asked hearing this for months and months. i've asked endless ministers on my programmes. where are these jobs? there

aren't any. we haven't

replacing the blast furnaces using fossil fuels. .all of we're going to get all of this done by 2030 is nonsense. and i think that we're being thrown to the wolves in the sense of our position internationally as a competitive, industrialised nation, by the notion that we can simply stop using our own domestic fuel and carry on, as you say, keep importing at huge expense from other countries. i mean, shipping this stuff across is the most inefficient way of transporting anything. shipping is really heavy duty or pushing against a wall of water all the way. and yet we've got it on our doorstep and they're shutting it down. and this is a zealot, a zealot, a zealotry, an act of zealotry by the labour party to pursue ed miliband's, i think mad target of 2030. >> okay, trevor. nigel, thank you very much. now, coming up after the break, the united nafions after the break, the united nations has confirmed that a hamas leader in lebanon who was killed in an israeli airstrike was employed by one of its agencies. more on that incredible story

welcome back to gbn tonight with me, martin daubney. now the unrwa and that's the united nafions unrwa and that's the united nations relief and works agency has confirmed that fatah al—sharif, a hamas leader in lebanon who was killed today in an israeli airstrike, was an employee. he was killed along with his wife and children dunng with his wife and children during an airstrike on the al batus refugee camp. sharif was reportedly the principal of the unrwa run deir yassin secondary school in al abbas, and the agency said that sharif had been under investigations because of his political activities and had been on administrative leave since march. it's an incredible story. and joining me now to discuss this is major andrew fox, the research fellow at the

henry jackson society. always a pleasure to have you on the show, major fox, what's your take on the fact that , once take on the fact that, once again, it seems that people with nefarious terrorist connections are actually on the payroll of the un? >> yeah, it's the it's the latest in a long line of very sordid tales about unrwa. >> we're looking back now at the october seventh massacre, where nine employees were found to have been involved, israel gave the name of the names of 100 unrwa workers to the un who've done nothing with those, each one of those 100 workers were found to be hamas or palestinian islamic jihad militants , 30 islamic jihad militants, 30 buildings from unrwa in gaza were found to be connected to the terror tunnel system, and really, it's hardly surprising to find out that yet another member of unrwa is deeply connected to hamas. >> what does this say about the credibility or the neutrality or the political leanings, would you believe, of the united nafions

you believe, of the united nations on the whole? i mean, we've seen repeatedly votes , we've seen repeatedly votes, speeches, condemnations of everything that israel do. are they politically neutral? can they politically neutral? can they be trusted or do they have, would you believe, some kind of agenda? >> no. it's a deeply strong anti—israel agenda in the un. i gave a speech there myself just last week, and the hypocrisy dnpped last week, and the hypocrisy dripped from every brick of the building in terms of the way they profess peace and yet, you know, embrace a variety of different countries who have deeply, deeply suspect human rights records. the most worrying thing about this whole factor, though, is the fact that the new labour government resumed funding to unrwa in spite of all the things we know about them and their activities in gaza. and that's our tax money that is going directly to fund these people . fund these people. >> and so with that all in mind, what do you think that says about the future of this organisation and in fact, the future of the un as a whole? >> well, the, you know, the un's future is probably fairly safe at this point. but with unwra particularly , i think the

particularly, i think the israelis have made very clear that they're not to prepared work with them at any point in gaza in the future . so whatever gaza in the future. so whatever the resolution of this whole conflict in both lebanon and gaza turns out to be, i think we can very safely say that unwra doesn't have a role to play in future. >> and major four fs now you've got significant experience of tours of fighting in afghanistan, special forces connections. so, you know, militarily, the middle east, you know, the area in terms of the latest manoeuvres against lebanon, the extraordinary story we spoke about a couple of weeks ago, the grim bleepers that that terrorist attack and now the very targeted bunker bombs taking out the head of the snake of hezbollah. do you think that israel or turning a corner in this conflict and they are pushing on, irrespective of what the un might say, or indeed sir keir starmer or anybody else might say, i think we've i think we've reached a pretty strategic junction here and it's going to be very interesting to see what israel does next. >> everything we're seeing

suggests there's going to be a ground invasion, there's no question that hezbollah are weakened by the fact that almost their entire command chain at their entire command chain at the senior level has been taken out by israel , the senior level has been taken out by israel, but the senior level has been taken out by israel , but what israel out by israel, but what israel are going to achieve with the ground operation is still to be seen. it's a much harder bit of terrain to fight in than gaza. there are there are rocky mountain sides. the tunnels there are dug into chalk rather than sand as they are in gaza , than sand as they are in gaza, and hezbollah are an experienced fighting force. they've got huge amounts of experience from fighting for bashar al assad in syria during his civil war, where they committed numerous atrocities. so it's not going to be an easy fight for israel , be an easy fight for israel, even if hezbollah are weakened. so we'll be watching that with interest to see how it unfolds . interest to see how it unfolds. >> okay. major andrew fox, research fellow at the henry jackson society, thank you for coming on the show. always a pleasure to have your expertise and your company. thank you very much. now back in the studio, i'm still joined by my panel. that's trevor kavanagh and the former political. he was the former political. he was the former political. he was the former political editor of the sun and gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. gentlemen. welcome back. trevor,

let's start with you. it just seems incredible. is it not that the united nations organisations can have these affiliations, and yet it seems to be happening time and time again. >> no, it doesn't seem incredible . frankly, i think incredible. frankly, i think that this is the path of the united nations over many decades. and what i'd be very interested to watch is how the bbc cover this revelation, which is totally counter to their support for unrwa during the earlier revelations about many of their members being involved in terrorism, and were given a very warm, embrace by the bbc. but i think that this is a situation which the, the israelis have been vindicated on so many fronts in the last few days, over the last, say, ten days, over the last, say, ten days since the grim sleeper , days since the grim sleeper, attacks, they have shown the western world, the supine western world, what it means to

be leaders of the western democracies . and it's about time democracies. and it's about time that we woke up here in britain and in europe and even in america , to the threat from america, to the threat from people who wish us great harm . people who wish us great harm. and the iranian backed hezbollah and hamas and houthis do wish us great harm. and yet we seem to be saying that we cannot supply israel with the weapons and the components that they need to defend themselves from these terrors. >> nigel, do you think that the labour party's stance on this is going to hurt them at a time when we've seen benjamin netanyahu just just push on? he's a man on a mission , he's a man on a mission, irrespective of what the west might think. and when you see sir keir starmer, david lammy at the un basically saying put down weapons and president biden, no desist. yeah, well, the western leaders in general, what right do they have to tell israel that can or cannot defend itself? >> because we've all got skin in this game that in the event that all this goes wrong, hezbollah is an iranian backed proxy, just

the way, just the same as hamas is. if iran gets gets drawn into this war, that will draw america in and will probably draw us in. and so it's quite understandable that we're trying very hard to see if we can try and keep some sort of peace in the middle east, but there are billions of dollars given by the barack obama regime to iran to try and, you know, encourage them not to get involved militarily. >> that didn't quite work out. >> that didn't quite work out. >> that didn't quite work out. >> that was actually to stop them developing an atomic bomb. so they are doing. >> yeah, but but they're still doing that, aren't they. and well, we don't we don't know. >> i mean certainly israel's greatest fear if you, if you sit in tel aviv or sit in jerusalem, what everyone will tell you is that they're terrified that iran will attack and that iran does have secret nuclear weapons is what netanyahu's been saying all along. >> but trevor, with the benefit of hindsight, now billions of dollars. and please don't do anything. ayatollah. no, we're your mates. hasn't worked out. maybe the only answer is, you

know, the shock and awe of an attack like this from israel. >> yes. i think that people have been sitting back and allowing israel's enemies to get the upper hand over the over recent years, and israel's enemies are our enemies. these people are not just worried about israel, although that's their focus and obsession. they are interested in infiltrating the societies of the western world and wreaking similar havoc. at any point. i mean, we're blind to this. we seem to be completely obsessed with the fact that we cannot say a word against the extremist extremists of the muslim world for fear of being accused of islamophobia and racism . but we islamophobia and racism. but we are closing our eyes to a genuine , long term serious threat. >> trevor. nigel, thank you very much. excellent as ever. now, coming up shortly, more than 1300 asylum seekers were caught pretending to be children in the first half of this year, setting an all time new record high as

young men pose as teenage boys to cheat the system. what needs to cheat the system. what needs to happen to put an end to this farcical practice? this is gbn tonight, only on

gb news. welcome back to gbn tonight with me martin daubney. now, shocking new figures released today reveal a record number of adult migrants claiming to be children at the uk border in order to secure asylum. now in the first half of this year, 1317 immigrants pretended to be minors when trying to claim asylum in the uk. in the uk now, just two years ago, aspiring royal marine tommy roberts was murdered by an afghan asylum seeker you see on your screen there. lauryn goodman abdul rahim seesahai, who was a double murderer posing as a 14 year old

child when in actual fact he was 19. multiple attempts to intercept this guy were completely missed by the british services. now, as we've seen unaccompanied children are much more likely to be allowed to stay in the country and have their applications approved, which is why they lie. and in response to this, more than 2008 disputes have been launched. another record breaking figure. well, joining me now in our studio in westminster is robert bates, the research director at the centre for migration control. and of course, my panel of trevor kavanagh, the former political editor of the sun and gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. gentlemen, welcome to the show. let's start with you , rob. is let's start with you, rob. is this shocking or is this completely commonplace? now we have a system open for abuse. they know if they pretend to be kids, they won't get deported. they're more likely, in fact, to stay. therefore, it's simply an accident waiting to happen. >> so we've had illegal migrants previously pretending to be christian. we've had illegal

migrants pretending to be homosexuals. we've now got them pretending to be children. and i think this is arguably the most dangerous of all the pretences. because let's not forget that if they're coming into the uk purporting to be children of 14, 15 or 16, they are then eligible to be putting into school places. they're being put into foster care and by their very nature, they're then being exposed to young children, young british children. and as we saw with the with the roberts case, we saw, you know, criminal systemic failings on every and every front, as far as i can decipher. you know , this was decipher. you know, this was a chap that was expelled for carrying knives for threatening young children. so there's a real, real security risk that comes with this. and, you know, obviously 1300 have been apprehended. but how many, how many more have been able to sneak through undetected? >> the case of lauryn goodman abdul rahim zahawi is absolutely astonishing. when you look at it, it's it signifies every single failure of our forces and our institutions to protect britons. this, this, this bloke, 19 year old, pretended to be 14, came in on the back of a lorry

illegally pretended to be a minor, his fingerprints weren't taken. his dental records weren't taken. if his fingerprints had been taken, then border force and the national crime agency would have realised he was wanted for a double murder in italy of two serbians who he mowed down with an ak 47. this is a true story. he went on to murder tommy roberts, who was an aspiring royal marine, and the point is, his true age was discovered when he went to the dentist. a dental record, a dental check proved he was 19. there's an easy way , rob was 19. there's an easy way, rob bates to sort this. anybody coming to britain surely should be routinely and compulsorily have their dental records checked , and that would prove at checked, and that would prove at a glance that you are over 18 and are not a minor. why on earth aren't we doing that? >> it should be done without question. it should be done without question. and of course, the conservatives are claiming that the tail end of their administration, they were moving towards these kind of scientific devices that would allow them to gauge the age of those that were

coming into the country and claiming to be children , whether claiming to be children, whether they were whether the labour party will continue with that. i imagine is very, very doubtful. and even if it was to be passed, we'd obviously then have these professional bodies and scientific and doctors, doctors and what have you, you know , and what have you, you know, downing tools and, you know, not not agreeing to proceed with the, the necessary checks. so i think there's a systemic failure at every front. as you as you mentioned, the roberts case is one of the one of the most criminal, criminal, systemic failings that i think this country has seen in a very, very long time for him to be passed pillar to post between schools, foster schools and for no background checks to have been done. and this gets to a bigger point here, which is that so many of those coming across the channel many of those coming across the channel, we simply know nothing about, we don't know where they've come from. we don't know if they've got a history of criminality. we don't know what their intentions are , and yet their intentions are, and yet we're happy to welcome them and then and disperse them around communities. and obviously there's now the incidents as well that we hear about, asylum seekers being allowed to go and volunteer in schools or volunteer in schools or volunteer with youth clubs without appropriate dbs checks going, going on. so i think there's a real, real need for us

to realise that the magnitude of the risks that are posed by allowing undocumented asylum seekers near children. >> thank you. rob let's go back to my panel now for a quick reaction to this. trevor. it's just totally and utterly exasperating that the logical thing to do is to is to have a dental check on anybody who you even suspect of gaming the system. and yet we know why that doesn't happen, because the human rights lawyers complain. >> well, i think that they should have the checks. and anyone claiming to be a child who in fact turns out to be an aduu who in fact turns out to be an adult should be instantly guilty of a crime for which they should be deported on the spot. i think that's a very serious offence , that's a very serious offence, pretending to be a child. and as we've heard, being given access to children's facilities to schools and to all sorts of youth clubs and some of the people who are doing this are , people who are doing this are, here for reasons nothing to do with claiming asylum or escaping, oppression. they are

here because they are criminals and they are part of a criminal gang. before they even set set for off britain. and we should be cracking down on them and our problem is that the left and particularly the labour party, do not want seriously to tackle immigration. >> and isn't that the point , >> and isn't that the point, nigel nelson, that the record has been the last six months? you bet your house on the fact it's going to get worse than the labour party. >> well, i don't see why you're absolutely right. the appropriate check should be made . appropriate check should be made. and if those checks are available, there is a question mark over why they weren't being used, certainly in disputed cases where somebody looks old, looks an adult, they've got to them and say they're a child. they've got to prove it, but also bear in mind that there are also bear in mind that there are also a large number of unaccompanied children who are genuine children. i mean, i live in kent. we're on the forefront of looking after unaccompanied children that are coming across the channel so it's not like all these people are doing this to

try and game the system. >> but over 1300 in 6 months, i do take that point. yeah. thank you very much. now up next, of course, is state of the nation. and jacob rees—mogg is live from the conservative party conference in birmingham. jacob, welcome to the show. and first of all, may i say you've certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons by saying that the tory party should graciously stand aside in 98 seats for reform at the next general election. tell us more . election. tell us more. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> well, we're here at the tory party conference. >> we're discussing how the right of british politics can come together. there are 89 of those 1998 seats where labour came first and reform second. wouldn't it be better to have reform mps than labour mps? and i'm going to be talking to richard tice, the deputy leader of reform , about whether the of reform, about whether the right of british politics can come together to get rid of this deeply grubby socialist government at the next election . government at the next election. >> what made you have this epiphany, sir jacob? was it >> what made you have this epiphany, sirjacob? was it a epiphany, sir jacob? was it a free bottle of champagne from

nigel? >> haha, no, actually, i recommended that the tories and ukip should have a pact. way back when david cameron was prime minister. in a first past the post system, you need to make sure that your wing of politics is united. that's the way to win majorities. so that's why i thought of this many years ago, and now may be the time to bnng ago, and now may be the time to bring all our friends together in the tory party family so superb and very quickly. >> what else have you got on state of the nation for us tonight? >> well, i've got an exclusive interview with nadhim zahawi, so a perfect time to be talking to a perfect time to be talking to a former chancellor about what's going on in the economy, which have growth, has been downgraded . have growth, has been downgraded. today, the oecd is forecasting 1% growth. how do we get back to growth? how do we cut taxes? >> suburbs of that state of the nafion >> suburbs of that state of the nation with jacob rees—mogg. that's up next. now thank you to my panel tonight trevor kavanagh and nigel nelson. also robert bates state of the nation is up next. nigel farage is back tomorrow. first though, here's

your weather with aidan mcgivern . your weather with aidan mcgivern. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there! welcome to the latest update from the met office for gb news. the next 24 hours stays damp and blustery in the east, but it does dry up elsewhere. brighter skies coming along in the west later on tuesday . finally, a drier period tuesday. finally, a drier period to give us all a respite from all the rain. but it is going to take its time as this low slowly clears eastwards. it's still going to bring further rain to northern england into parts of the midlands overnight. east anglia, as well as north wales. now that rain does turn more showery in the west, the north and the northwest, seeing plenty of clear spells overnight under those clear skies , temperatures those clear skies, temperatures falling into the single figures. but it's blustery elsewhere as we start off tuesday and there's certainly more rain to come across parts of east midlands

into east anglia and down that nonh into east anglia and down that north sea coast. now we've got a few showers across aberdeenshire into the great glen, but otherwise plenty of bright weather across much of northern and western scotland. northern ireland a lovely start to the day. blue skies here, just 1 or 2 mist patches. likewise for northwest england, but for wales and the southwest areas of cloud floating about and a few showers. nevertheless, it's the eastern side of england where we continue to see a strong wind , continue to see a strong wind, gales for some exposed north sea coasts and further spells of rain, the rain tending to become lighter through the day. but it's going to stay feeling miserable, i think, under that wet weather and with a lot of low cloud, along with the brisk breeze, temperatures of 12 or 13 celsius in the east, whilst further west, where we do get some sunshine 15 to 17 degrees. now into wednesday there'll be yet more showers coming in on a north easterly breeze across parts of east anglia into the southeast , but elsewhere much southeast, but elsewhere much brighter skies. scotland

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gb news. >> oh well . >> oh well. >> oh well. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg , live from the jacob rees—mogg, live from the tory party conference in birmingham on state of the nafion birmingham on state of the nation tonight. as david cameron once said to the lib dems in 2010, is it time for the tories to make a big, open and comprehensive offer to the reform party and stand aside in the 89 seats in which they came second to labour live negotiations begin on air imminently with richard tice. meanwhile i'll be joined by former chancellor of the

exchequer nadhim zahawi as the labour party continues on its cynical pretence to take more of your money. we'll also be looking at some of the controversies following tory leader hopefuls in recent days, including the maternity leave and echr debates. plus, today marks the closing of the final furnace at port talbot and the closing of the uk's last coal power station, net zero has its grip on this country, but it's a frozen grip. and is there any future for industry in britain? state of the nation starts now . state of the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by my most incisive panel, telegraph columnist tim stanley and the trade unionist andy twelves. as even trade unionist andy twelves. as ever, it's a crucial part of the programme. let me know your views, mailmogg@gbnews.com. but now it's your favourite time of the day. the news bulletin with sophia wenzler.