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dirt on why he's sort of no longer part of reform in my difficult conversations , you difficult conversations, you will not want to miss that. then we go live to the legendary uri geller to get an update on the conflict and how he believes he got his powers . got his powers. >> dear friends, what i'm about to show you now is literally mind blowing. >> yeah, you won't want to miss that. >> yeah, you won't want to miss that . and is this real? it's that. and is this real? it's a bat the size of a human hanging upside down. before we get started, let's get your latest news with katie bowen . news with katie bowen. >> good afternoon. it's just gone. 3:00. i'm katie bowen in the gb newsroom, a major policing operation is underway in central london as pro—palestine protests and counter—demonstrations marking the 7th of october attacks in israel take place . thousands of israel take place. thousands of pro—palestine protesters have

taken to the streets. earlier, around 1000 marched from bedford square, targeting companies like barclays and the british museum . barclays and the british museum. pro—palestine protests and counter—demonstrations are now crossing paths at key junctions in the city. the demonstrations are under heavy police presence , are under heavy police presence, with the met police saying two people have now been arrested on suspicion of assaulting an emergency worker. three others have now also been arrested . have now also been arrested. french media reports are emerging of at least four deaths, including a child in the engush deaths, including a child in the english channel. french media reveals the child under the age of four was trampled to death in a boat off the coast of boulogne. in a separate incident, three other migrants lost their lives after their small boat encountered difficulties near calais this year alone, 51 people have died in channel crossings , marking in channel crossings, marking the highest toll since 2019. a local official is set to address the media in calais later today.

british nationals are still fleeing lebanon, with a final flight set for sunday amid the escalating conflict across the region. over 250 have already evacuated back to the uk on government chartered flights and the foreign secretary, david lammy, is warning others to register now as future flights aren't guaranteed. it comes as israel intensifies its airstrikes hitting beirut and hezbollah targets, while hezbollah targets, while hezbollah fired 100 rockets in response into israel . meanwhile, response into israel. meanwhile, the uk has sent £10 million in aid to lebanon and troops are now stationed in cyprus in case of an emergency. military led evacuation. sir keir starmer is urging all remaining british nationals in lebanon to leave immediately . donald trump is immediately. donald trump is urging israel to strike iran's nuclear facilities after iran launched ballistic missiles in response to israeli action in lebanon. speaking at a campaign

event , trump criticised event, trump criticised president biden's more restrained approach, saying israel should prioritise hitting iran's nuclear sites. the former president called iran's nuclear threat the biggest risk and argued that biden's refusal to support strikes was a mistake. >> they asked him , what do you >> they asked him, what do you think about what do you think about iran? would you hit iran? and he goes as long as they don't hit the nuclear stuff , don't hit the nuclear stuff, that's the thing you want to hit right ? i said, i think he's got right? i said, i think he's got that one wrong. isn't that what you're supposed to hit? i mean, it's the most it's the biggest risk we have nuclear weapons, the power of nuclear weapons, the power of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. you know, i rebuilt the entire military jets, everything i built it, including nuclear. and i hated to build the nuclear, but i got to build the nuclear, but i got to know firsthand the power of that stuff . that stuff. >> well, boris johnson's gearing up to release his new memoir, unleashed . in a sit down

unleashed. in a sit down interview with camilla tominey, the former prime minister warned it would be a disaster if sir keir starmer tries to reverse brexit. johnson also reaffirmed his belief in brexit, claiming it has given the uk the freedom to act more decisively. and as for the future, he insists brexit offers the chance to do things better. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> what do you think? if we'd been norma and reeves are trying to reverse, so if we'd been a rules, let's say this is the key point. >> if we. yeah, that's what of course they are. now, if we'd been a rules taker. yes. in at the end of 2020, 2021, we would not have been able to authorise astrazeneca and pfizer. no no no. but you keep you keep interrupting this because it's very, very important. and that was how by march 2021, we had vaccinated 45% of the uk population , compared to 10% of population, compared to 10% of your legacy . your legacy. >> well, you can watch the full

hour long interview with camilla tominey here on gb news tomorrow morning at 930. a family in lancashire say they're heartbroken after police mistakenly euthanized their xl bully dog, bruno . lancashire bully dog, bruno. lancashire police admitted the error, saying bruno was put down due to an administration mistake while his owners were seeking an exemption to keep him . the force exemption to keep him. the force has issued an unreserved apology and vowed to change its processes to prevent it from happening again. the family is demanding more transparency on how the police will ensure this does not happen again . and does not happen again. and finally, from just 13 runners to millions, parkrun is marking its 20th anniversary today. the global running movement, which began with just a handful of people in london's bushy park in 2004, now spans over 2000 locations in 500 500 locations in 23 countries. founder paul sinton—hewitt, who started the five—k events to aid his

recovery from injury, says parkrun has grown into a force for both physical and mental health, now recommended by thousands of gp surgeries worldwide, the weekly events have registered over 10 million people. those are your latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm katie bowen. more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news. >> dot com forward slash alerts . >> dot com forward slash alerts. >> dot com forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon. welcome to gb news. we are britain's news channel. i'm nana akua. coming up for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking, is rachel reeves right to cut foreign aid after it's been reported that she's considering a £2 billion cut in the up and coming budget? cabinet is reportedly split over the issues, including david

lammy. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking , lammy. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is rachel reeves right to cut foreign aid? then, in my royal roundup, royal biographer will be here to give us the latest from behind the palace walls. on the menu , prince harry has the menu, prince harry has a legal claim thrown out by a judge. and we'll go live to the legendary uri geller to get an update on the conflict and how he believes he got his powers. >> dear friends, what i'm about to show you now is literally mind blowing. >> and stay tuned. there's a poll up on x now asking you whether it's right for rachel reeves to cut foreign aid. i'm asking you that very question. head over now. cast your vote. let me know your thoughts. post your comments gb news. com forward slash kwasi . so new forward slash kwasi. so new reports suggest that the chancellor, rachel reeves, is planning to cut £2 billion worth of foreign aid. that's from the budget. now , the foreign budget. now, the foreign secretary, david lammy , is among

secretary, david lammy, is among cabinet members warning of the damage the cuts will do as spending on aid is set to fall to 0.5% of gross national income. all of this comes as whitehall sources say that the chancellor is determined to keep an iron grip on spending. ahead of her october budget announcement later this month. although not a grip on the £22 billion for what was it carbon capture? right. we can go now. live to journalist michela wrong. michela, thank you very much for joining wrong. michela, thank you very much forjoining us. michela, just talk to me about this foreign aid budget and what your thoughts are with it and whether rachel reeves is right to be actually slashing it. >> well, i've been writing about africa for 30 years, and i think people often therefore expect me immediately to say, we need more aid. >> we need more aid. and, you know, then you see these headunes know, then you see these headlines and it's a big fuss being made about, you know, why why we're not meeting our 0.7% of gdp target. but i think you have to make a difference

between humanitarian aid, the kind of thing that, you know, we need to send to places like sudan that are going through a terrible civil war, huge numbers of displaced people, millions of displaced people and development aid. and i've just become i've, you know, i've covered the continent for three decades. i've become incredibly sceptical about development aid because what it seems to me, what you see is you see the british government propping up really repressive regimes, regimes that are militaristic , that are are militaristic, that are incredibly corrupt, you know , incredibly corrupt, you know, just to give the latest example, you know, the amount of aid that we were giving rwanda , which has we were giving rwanda, which has got 4000 troops inside neighbouring congo, has created 2 million displaced people and is also a country in which the president just claimed to win the elections with 99 over 99% of the vote. so, you know, not a credible election process by any means and cracks down on the opposition and assassinates its its dissidents in exile and we

are firm supporters of rwanda . are firm supporters of rwanda. and i'm sure you know, david lammy wants to us continue to play lammy wants to us continue to play that role. and you see this time and time again, i mean, i reported on a massive corruption scandal in kenya in the 2000. and once again, you know , and once again, you know, british aid was propping up that very, very corrupt government in kenya throughout the whole era of mobutu in congo. another place that i specialised in, you know, mobutu was being bailed out by the americans, by the west, by the french, by by the world bank. and you just see this time and time again, the syndrome where we are propping up a really distasteful governments that are doing things that, you know, we keep telling them not to do. those things don't invade your country, don't occupy eastern congo. country, don't occupy eastern congo . and when they do it, you congo. and when they do it, you know, we could threaten aid. we could make it clear that we're not going to continue. and we never do, because the relationship is sending aid becomes much more important than anything else. and that's all about pleasing a domestic

audience. it's not about the impact on the ground. >> well, i mean, i hear you, but with rwanda, we weren't propping up and giving them foreign aid. we were using that as a place where we could potentially send asylum seekers, our failed asylum seekers, our failed asylum seekers, our failed asylum seekers . so that wasn't asylum seekers. so that wasn't really directly sort of focused on that, was it? >> well, no, that there are aid to rwanda was has went up massively, massively. £450 million have gone to rwanda. but we had a very healthy aid relationship with rwanda long before the asylum project was launched by the tories. and it's that that relationship will continue. you know, that's been since the genocide. we've been giving, we've been having a development programme in rwanda. so although the asylum project meant that that went up, it wasn't , you know, it wasn't wasn't, you know, it wasn't a fresh relationship. and i just think, you know , you see these think, you know, you see these situations in which i will be speaking to democracy activists in places like rwanda and places like kenya and places like tanzania. and they will say to me, why is your government

supporting our corrupt, repressive , you know , repressive, you know, democratically bankrupt governments? because it's undermining the work we are doing, trying to make them accountable to the voters here in these african countries and by by sending all this money boosting health spending, boosting health spending, boosting education, the governments in place get all the credit for that, you know, and in fact, they're being paid for by donors. so it's very undermining. it really cuts the tie between local voters, domestic voters and the governments that they are they are voting in or not voting in. >> well, what would you say to the argument that actually foreign aid stops people from leaving the countries that they are in, and it helps to keep them there, because that's part of the reason , and one of the of the reason, and one of the arguments that people often use as to why we should continue to send foreign aid at the level that we do. >> yeah, i understand that argument, and it's been around for a while. i don't think it's working. i mean, i think we can

see from the numbers that's not working. and i think that, you know, more of a factor in, in the immigration flood of immigrants that we're seeing is the fact that people know what life looks like in the west, thanks to social media, thanks to facebook that there's now, you know , incredibly cheap you know, incredibly cheap international travel that is accessible to them. and i think those are those are more important factors than, you know, the amount of work and investment you would have to put into to to, make conditions on the ground. so, so wonderful that people will stay is going to be enormous. and i think there's another fundamental issue that this raises, which is, you know, the days of colonialism are over. we cannot sort of dictate the shape of , of sort of dictate the shape of, of daily life in, in somewhere like tanzania or kenya or congo. you know, it's not in our remit, it's not in our power and it's not our role. and i think, you know, the problem with aid is, you know, there's this sort of constant, sort of slightly patronising relationship in which we are presenting ourselves as white saviours. and

we can we can save africa, we can save africans. well, we can't we don't have that power. we're a sort of middle sized european country with problems of our own, and we should stop propping up dictators and corrupt politicians. >> what about the soft power argument, though? people say that we're giving this aid, so we have a level of soft power that then translates to a level of control. >> i think we it does give us a seat at the table. that's what development officials will often tell you. what i find so disappointing, though, is that we don't then use that leverage. so when you see something like the government in kigali sending its army into neighbouring congo, displacing 2 million people, and it's apparently got, according to the un, 4000 troops on the ground in eastern congo, which is a different country, you know, when do we actually say, you know, if you continue to do that, you know, the aid, you know, the aid relationship is going to end. we've done that once in the past. in 2012, it worked. it had a great impact.

but since then we just keep sort of saying, oh no, this is really bad. oh, it's really awful what's happening in congo . but what's happening in congo. but we don't actually use the power and the levers that aid should give us. so aid is this fantastic, you know, soft power weapon and it's a weapon we never then use. >> so michaela, in conclusion, then finally, in one word, let's say should rachel reeves cut foreign aid? >> i'd like to see humanitarian aid continuing, but i'm i'm deeply , deeply sceptical about deeply, deeply sceptical about development aid and the role that it's currently playing in africa. and the african countries that i know. so i won't be kicking up a fuss about. rachel reeves plans . now. about. rachel reeves plans. now. >> i'll say it in one word, but there's quite a few there. but i would appreciate your thoughts, michaela. thank you very much . michaela. thank you very much. that's michela wrong. thank you so much. those are her thoughts really good to talk to her and get her views. what are yours? gbnews.com/yoursay coming up to 17 minutes after 3:00. this is

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>> good afternoon. if you just tuned in. welcome. it's just coming up to 21 minutes after 3:00. we are gb news britain's news channel. i'm nana akua. don't forget you can download the gb news app and check out all the programmes on the channel. but now it's time for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking is rachel reeves right to consider cutting foreign aid? i mean , she's foreign aid? i mean, she's making all the sort of right kind of noises. well, the telegraph are reporting that the chancellor is planning to cut almost 2 billion from the foreign aid budget, which is said to be sparking a cabinet backlash , including from foreign backlash, including from foreign secretary

are. rachel reeves is suggesting she's going to cut it by 2 billion. do you think that's a good plan? >> she's trying to pretend that sort of some sort of iron chancellor making difficult decisions, which is going to annoy her party, and she's in danger of upsetting the whole population by some of the cuts. she's proposing this particular one. look, i mean, the foreign aid budget was originally. go back to the coalition days on the david cameron was 0.7% of gdp. that's where it was. and there was an institutionalised at that point. he was then cut subsequent to the coalition. and a lot of the money under the foreign aid budget has now been diverted into uk spending to deal with all the people coming across on boats and housing them. so actually the foreign aid that's going to people who actually need it in terms of people who are starving and everything else, which is the original purpose of foreign aid, is now very small compared to what it was before. if foreign aid is deployed properly, morally, it helps people who are really in a dire situation. but also is spent properly. what you do is you make the countries where it goes more

self—sufficient, and that stops people wanting to leave them. and then cross europe to come to our shores. >> so there's an argument for it. >> well, you said if it's spent properly, which michaela pointed out, the things that it's not been properly but also there is also research that shows that's not actually true, that it stops people coming here in fact, it makes some of these nations a bit richer. and then the people become more mobile. that is the. >> well, i mean, it depends. it depends how, where it's spent. i mean, it's not sensible for us to be giving foreign aid to, say, india or china these days because they've got big economies and we should have stopped all that. but there are people across the world who are starving who actually need some help. and western countries are in a better position to help those individuals. >> and anybody else. so i'm not against foreign aid, but i do think it has to be calculated and spent properly, and it's not at the moment i agree, not all of it. >> well, we haven't got control of that. adam brooks, look, we're becoming a country that seems to care more about foreigners and asylum seekers than our own people. >> we have got potentially now because of this labour government, thousands of pensioners that could freeze to

death this winter . yet we are death this winter. yet we are giving billions to countries like afghanistan, china, india , like afghanistan, china, india, pakistan, some nations that have got space programmes and nukes for me. look, let's be honest. let's be honest . what foreign let's be honest. what foreign aid is, a lot of the time, it doesn't always end up with the people that really need it, their bribes. you know ? and if their bribes. you know? and if we're giving £352 million to say, afghanistan, what is going to stop the taliban? just, you know, spunking that on weapons and not actually helping the people that it's meant to help? i think it's a farce. i really do . i really am shocked that do. i really am shocked that labour would do this. rachel reeves would do this. i want the foreign aid budget cut even further, and we need to start looking after our own in this country. >> but the foreign aid, a lot of it is, norman pointed out, actually goes to pay for the migrants in hotels. >> and, you know, which is which is only going to get worse under this labour government because they have got rid of our only

deterrent and they're not going to smash the gangs, which we're going to speak about later. it's going to speak about later. it's going to speak about later. it's going to get worse. >> look, foreign aid can be sent and directed in a way that gets to the people who need it. >> you can bypass dodgy governments if you want to do that. and i believe in afghanistan, they are bypassing you, go through you go through charities, you go through non—governmental organisations, and they will make sure that the aid is properly directed . i aid is properly directed. i mean, in afghanistan, to be honest with you, part of it is our problem. we've created to some extent with the americans, a situation that's over there. so we've got some responsibility there to help people and what's happening to women in afghanistan is actually beyond belief. i mean, they're being treated like prisoners in their own country. i mean, it's just disgraceful. and what are our millions going to? >> what are our millions going to do to help that if our governments haven't got a backbone to try and stop that behaviour happening in those countries? well it's difficult. >> look, i don't pretend it's easy, but there are people who need our help and we can bypass those governments to some extent. and we have done in the past, and i agree with you, we

shouldn't be sending aid to china and india and pakistan and nuclear powers and if we want to give them a bribe, as you put it, for trade purposes, well, let's call it trade. let's not call it foreign aid. let's be clear what we're doing. >> well, what about umrah then? because you talked about organisations that we send it to. what about organisations like unrwa? remember gaza? a lot of the members who were actually part of that, 12 of them were arrested for being part of the october 7. and that is one of those places that we send foreign aid to via a supposedly good organisation. well, i'm afraid any , any well, i mean, afraid any, any well, i mean, first of all, there was a there was a reason for the israelis to pick up on that and exploit that to some extent. >> i'm not saying it doesn't mean they exploited it. >> well, they didn't exploit it as a fact here. the money went to unrwa. unrwa had a load of people , at least 12 of them people, at least 12 of them arrested for being involved in october, and they were removed. >> they were removed. but i mean, what i'm saying is that israel had we'll come on to israel had we'll come on to israel in due course. but there was a reason to make them look less pure than they actually were. >> no, no, no, but they weren't. i mean, nobody's making them look like anything. no. they were. they look rotten. they are rotten. >> they were. there were some individuals who have been removed, 12 of them.

>> but yes. which is a small number of those who were actually there. >> but i mean, of course, they wanted to make them make it look worse than he did. but of course, any organisation. >> sorry, i have to stop you. were you saying that israel wanted to make it look worse? because israel. would they want that? >> because israel? >> because israel? >> because israel? >> because of the way israel is behaving. and we'll come to on israel, no doubt have been keen to get there at some point in the programme. the way israel is behaving is not acceptable. it's killing women and children in a cavalier manner. it's right to respond to the events of 7th of october. it's right to say i have a reason for self—defence is completely wrong. for individuals to say israel shouldn't exist. all those things are taken as read, but the way israel is prosecuting its campaign is indiscriminate andifs its campaign is indiscriminate and it's killing women and children. it's killed 11,355 children. >> where did you get those numbers from? >> hamas , from the guardian >> hamas, from the guardian yesterday. the guardian 6297 via hamas. >> they've got the figures from hamas . hamas. >> the. how'd you say un, un. >> the. how'd you say un, un. >> is it from the un? unrwa unrwa unrwa don't call them unrwa.

>> so david lammy has reinstated our funding for unrwa, as have other countries. yeah , but as other countries. yeah, but as nana said, they have got individuals that are terrorists within them . we are being within them. we are being removed, i think. well, we are funding an organisation with terrorists in its midst, which is in the israeli government's got terrorists in its midst. >> quite frankly, we look at the far right element of the israeli government. >> so does one right make, you know, no, it doesn't and it doesn't because we have to eliminate people like that and remove them. >> and there was pressure to remove them. they've been removed. but if you look at some charities, for example, you find some of the charities that are across the world have had people involved in, in sexual exploitation of those, many of them . so yes, you have to, you them. so yes, you have to, you know, i'm afraid every organisation of any sort has got bad apples in it, whether it's a metropolitan police or oxfam. you've got to make sure you take them out. yes, but, but, but they were taken out because a lot of them were eventually caught. >> but that had been going on for a long time. and the thing is, we are funding that. so there's no point saying, oh yeah, well, some of them were

arrested and the bad rotten apples have gone. they haven't gone. you may have caught out 12 of them, but that's an organisational thing where you can find 12 people in one organisation that are involved in a pact to kill over a thousand people in israel. that's not acceptable . and we're that's not acceptable. and we're funding those things. >> there was a there was another individual recently. i think he was the head of the teaching union or something within gaza, and he was part of unrwa. union or something within gaza, and he was part of unrwa . and it and he was part of unrwa. and it just turned out that he was, i think , hamas or hezbollah's top think, hamas or hezbollah's top man in lebanon. think, hamas or hezbollah's top man in lebanon . so we've got man in lebanon. so we've got a big problem here with charities and some of these projects that we fund as a taxpayer, excuse me, that we are facilitating awful behaviour, whether it's sexual abuse with oxfam or one of one of these, or care for calais, for example , i'm afraid calais, for example, i'm afraid care for calais. >> if we are funding to help out the migrants and all this stuff. these charities are all part of it and they're giving them the exact things to say and the exact things to say and the exact how to get through. and get past and all the legal stuff that you can use. and, you know, we're funding half of this stuff. >> i'm afraid some of this is

human nature. you can pick any organisation you want to and you'll find problems in that organisation. you find metropolitan police officers who've been making up evidence. that's one of the things in the last couple of days and they've, you know, you don't stop funding the metropolitan police. you can find evidence of corruption in parliament, i'm afraid. look at the ppe contracts handed out whatever to millions of people , whatever to millions of people, to tory donors. there's stress on donors because the party aren't looking good either. and indeed, looking at the labour party for that. i'm not being anti tory. look at the labour party in starmer's glass and everything else. i'm afraid the reality is that the human being is not pure and you can't stop funding an organisation because you've got some bad apples, otherwise you end up funding nothing. >> all right. so finally, yes or no? should she cut foreign aid? yes or no? >> she should cut it even further. and. >> no, no, she should make sure it's properly delivered. >> all right. listen, what do you think at home, gbnews.com/yoursay is rachel reeves right to cut foreign aid? you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up , tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, angela levin will be in the studio for our royal round up. but first, let's get

your latest news headlines with katie bowen . katie bowen. >> good afternoon. it's just gone 3:30. i'm katie bowen in the gb newsroom, a major policing operation is underway in central london as pro—palestine protests and counter—demonstrations marking the 7th of october attacks in israel take place. thousands of pro—palestine protesters have taken to the streets. earlier, around 1000 marched from bedford square , targeting companies like square, targeting companies like barclays and the british museum. pro—palestine protests and counter—demonstrations are now crossing paths at key junctions in the city. the demonstrations are under heavy police presence, with the met police saying two people have now been arrested on suspicion of assaulting an emergency worker, and three others have now also been arrested . french media reports

arrested. french media reports are emerging of at least four deaths, including a child in the engush deaths, including a child in the english channel. french media reveals the child under the age of four was trampled to death in a boat off the coast of boulogne, in a separate incident, three other migrants lost their lives after their small boat encountered difficulties near calais. this year alone, 51 people have died in channel crossings, marking the highest toll since 2019, and gb news can reveal that nearly 500 migrants have made the crossing successfully today , despite the successfully today, despite the incidents off the french coast . incidents off the french coast. bofis incidents off the french coast. boris johnson is gearing up to release his new memoir unleashed . release his new memoir unleashed. in a new sit down interview with camilla tominey, the former prime minister warned it would be a disaster if sir keir starmer tries to reverse brexit. johnson also reaffirmed his belief in brexit, claiming it's given the uk the freedom to act more decisively and offers the chance to do things better. let's take a listen to what he had to say.

>> what do you think? if we'd been norma and reeves are trying to reverse, so if we'd been a rules, this is the key point. >> if we. that's what? of course they are. now, if we'd been a rules taker. yes. in at the end of 2020, 2021, we would not have been able to authorise astrazeneca and pfizer. no no no. but you keep you keep interrupting this because it's very, very important . and that very, very important. and that was how by march 2021, we had vaccinated 45% of the uk population, compared to 10%. >> part of your legacy . >> part of your legacy. >> part of your legacy. >> well, you can watch the full hour long interview with camilla tominey here on gb news tomorrow at 930 in the morning. a family in lancashire say they're heartbroken after police mistakenly euthanized their xl bully dog, bruno. lancashire police admitted the error, saying bruno was put down due to an administration mistake while his owners were seeking an

exemption to keep him. the force has issued an unreserved apology and vowed to change its processes to prevent it from happening again. the family is demanding more transparency on how the police will ensure this does not happen again . and does not happen again. and finally, the northern lights could soon put on a dazzling display across the uk. recent solar flares are expected to make the aurora borealis visible , make the aurora borealis visible, with the best chances in scotland, northern ireland and northern england. saturday night has the greatest likelihood of sightings, especially later on between 11 pm. and midnight. experts advise finding dark skies and looking north to maximise your chances as intense solar activity could push the lights further south. those are your latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm katie bowen . more for now, i'm katie bowen. more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code,

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>> now there's always something going on in the royal household and this week has been no different. and every saturday i'd love to give you a rundown. and who better to do so than royal biographer angela levin? angela, let's kick things off. the judge that says that harry has no permission to allege bugs were planted in rooms. >> yes, that's right. >> yes, that's right. >> or in cars or anything at all. >> he hasn't got anything to say about them. and he also said to him that he is actually doing too much, taking too much time in the courts, and unless he stops doing it, in the courts, and unless he stops doing it , they are going stops doing it, they are going to go back on him and make him a problem. it's a it's a very

peculiar thing. it's called a vexatious litigant. and it turns the court to attack the person who's come in. so he's actually got his pull, his act together. it's six years since he's been trying to get the money. >> goodness sake. >> goodness sake. >> but it's not just once in six years. it's gone. on and on and on and on. and he should just leave it. so it's a very, very stupid thing to do. it's something he's trying to be powerful and he shouldn't be. but the other thing is that his eight solo engagements in nine days on his own. it's a very interesting thing. what do you make of it? and that is that he's gone to all these charities that he used to do when he was working royal right . and i think working royal right. and i think it's a way to say i don't need the royal family. i can do this on my own so i can do it much better, because everybody still loves me. and i think that's a very dangerous thing for him to do. and i think that the royal

family will have to actually come up with something that they say, we can't have this. it's appalling. he's just ignoring them . them. >> and what some people would argue that he's doing stuff for charity. >> so this is quite a nice each one. he wasn't there for very long. and he also i don't like the paparazzi and i don't like the paparazzi and i don't like the press, but there were loads of them there and he loved it. he was going from one place to another in a in a cab with two people at the front, but at the back, in the middle. so everyone could see him. so don't tell me you don't want to be seen and you don't want to be seen and you can't stand us, because actually, i don't believe that for a second. >> well, he needs the press. they both do. now , what about. they both do. now, what about. this is such a touching moment, catherine, or . she's so catherine, or. she's so beautiful, isn't she? she's helping others with cancer. she gave that woman that lovely hug. that was such a lovely. >> yes, she was amazing because she did say in her second speech to us that she wanted to help others and she wanted to be really there for him. and there

she has been. and the girl is 17, liz hatton, she's got an aggressive type of cancer, but she's very positive. and she said she wants to do the best she can. and catherine said that she can. and catherine said that she will help her in every way. but what was really sweet was she said, i couldn't believe it. i didn't know i was going to see them. they invited me to windsor to take pictures of all sorts of things, and she said, do you know, she was just like a normal person? >> oh, well, i think we interviewed her on gb news a little while ago yesterday, actually, or the day before, which was really lovely. yeah. >> and i thought that there's no grandeur . >> and i thought that there's no grandeur. no, she says, this is what liz says . just humanity and what liz says. just humanity and kindness and that is absolutely what catherine's like, isn't it ? what catherine's like, isn't it? and as soon as she felt well enough , she's gone straight in. enough, she's gone straight in. yeah, straight in there . and it yeah, straight in there. and it will make a difference for other people to try and get help and all of that. so she's extraordinary. >> and then you've got her

husband , who's quite amazing as well. >> he's very amazing. >> he's very amazing. >> and david beckham are here. >> and david beckham are here. >> yes. he and david have got very poorly. they were poorly since 2012 when they were trying to get something together . and to get something together. and this is that he has helped get £15 million for two. absolutely brand new, very , very good brand new, very, very good helicopters for helping people that. remember william used to do helping people who were found in in the in helicopters and look after them . and he's going look after them. and he's going to he's going to do that now what's very interesting is that . what's very interesting is that. beckham was very friendly with harry. >> he was, wasn't he? >> he was, wasn't he? >> they were very friendly. but you see why they just dropped them and, you know, he queued for 12 hours to see the queen's coffin. yeah. it was so lovely. and he didn't go and say i am. you know, he sort of went in the queue like everybody in front like phillip schofield and holly willoughby. what's happened was that he both he and victoria

don't like anyone who washes dirty linen from families. so they went off them for that . but they went off them for that. but also they helped them settle down. they let them have a six bedroom house for a while , and bedroom house for a while, and victoria gave her someone who could help her with her skin and her body and make her look lovely and. but it got through to the press. they didn't say it. so they say meghan was furious, so she didn't want harry to have any more news to him. but harry was doing an australian invictus games, so beckham went all the way over there and harry wouldn't even talk to him. >> i mean, it's shame our shameful finally, because we're running out of time. talk to me about meghan, because a lot of people seem to be backing off like the investors. >> people are backing off of her. the people magazine has said it's because he's immersing in harry's immersion in philanthropic efforts . meghan in harry's immersion in philanthropic efforts. meghan is leaning to entrepreneurial

prospects now. it's not entrepreneurial because her her whole way of working is not going very well at all. and people are saying they want their money back and the american river riviera area isn't doing very well because she can't actually get it clean and appropriate for it to go through all the patents. well, it's also lost another member of staff, so it's gone up again. >> oh dear goodness me. andrew levin always a pleasure. thank you so much. thank you. that is the brilliant angela levin , the brilliant angela levin, royal biographer. stay tuned. next mystifier and performer uri geller will join us to give us his thoughts on the situation in the middle east. this is

gb news. so stay tuned. we'll be speaking to uri geller live in a couple of moments time and get an update on the conflict. but listen to this. this is how he believes that he got his powers. >> dear friends, what i'm about to show you now is literally mind blowing. look at that painting up there . it's actually painting up there. it's actually shocking what i'm about to tell you. it's a revelation. for decades , i have been recounting decades, i have been recounting the moment i was zapped. >> right. well, the moment i was zapped. >> right. well , the legendary >> right. well, the legendary uri gellerjoins me now. let's cross over . live to israel. uri. cross over. live to israel. uri. so this is a fascinating revelation. tell us more. >> well, well, nana, it's more than fascinating. let me explain. when i was about 5 or 6 years old, i was playing in an arabic garden here in tel aviv. suddenly, in front of my eyes, i see a sphere of light . and out see a sphere of light. and out of that sphere of light, a laser beam zaps me. and it was so

tangible and powerful. hit me on my forehead and i fell into the grass. i don't know how long i lay there. i ran home to tell my mother she didn't believe me. she thought i was either either dreaming it or making it up. anyhow, this was so powerful in my life that i wrote about it in all my books. i've mentioned it all my books. i've mentioned it a million times on television and on radio, and there are , and on radio, and there are, like you say, there are paintings. i can even show you magazines from sweden , finland. magazines from sweden, finland. this is 1973, 74 showing the ufo and an alien and me. and now . and an alien and me. and now. so. so this actually happened to me. but it was only me telling the story. anyhow, about 15 years ago there was a documentary about me in israel, and i get an email from an israeli air force officer who says to me, uri, wow , i saw you. says to me, uri, wow, i saw you. i was there when that beam of light hit you. i said, what? yes. i was walking home to my apartment. my parents lived in

rothschild boulevard and i saw this little boy in an arabic garden with a huge light and a laser beam hits you. and i ran home anyhow. so for me, this was an incredible validation that somebody else saw it. but the biggest validation came just a few days ago. i decided to mri my brain. yeah. and that's, you know, inside a machine for 45 minutes with sounds. and i had the bee gees playing in my ears. now , listen, the pictures came now, listen, the pictures came out, so i was called into the back room and i was stunned . back room and i was stunned. look carefully at this . they look carefully at this. they discovered this thing here. and the doctors immediately tell me, don't worry , it's nothing to don't worry, it's nothing to worry about. and i say to them , worry about. and i say to them, what is it then? what is it? and they didn't quite have an explanation, but they told me that i don't have to worry about

it . and bang! that's when it it. and bang! that's when it dawned on me . nana, this it. and bang! that's when it dawned on me. nana, this is exactly what happened to me over 70 years ago. wow. anyhow, i called, i called an expert, a ct mri expert who is my friend. he runs the ct department of a large hospital and you know what? he told me? he said to me, one of the only things that can penetrate your brain without kind of damaging your skin is a laser beam . wow. now, very soon laser beam. wow. now, very soon after my encounter with this sphere of light, i started bending spoons. now you know you can be a sceptic. you can be a debunker. i don't give a hoot what you believe . the fact is, what you believe. the fact is, this is on an mri photo. what you believe. the fact is, this is on an mri photo . there this is on an mri photo. there is something in there. it's not dangerous . and my explanation is dangerous. and my explanation is that i received something that day that afternoon, that evening, something happened. and, you know, it goes back. i googled google quickly and i, i

discovered that psychics very famous psychics, like a guy called peter hurkos who could photograph his mind onto, onto a film. there was another guy called george anderson and jean dixon, who was nancy reagan's president reagan's wife's psychic . she also had something. psychic. she also had something. so you can imagine how i feel. wow. this is an incredible discovery. nana. >> it really is. now, briefly, we've got a couple a couple of minutes left. tell us, how's everything going there in tel aviv? >> well, you know, i mean, let me let me start by saying that every second a missile flies in and i mean, i can i can just look at my phone and missiles are coming in in the north. everybody has to run into shelters . and next, next week shelters. and next, next week we'll talk about the bbc because i'm really off and i'm really angry at the bbc. do do i have another two minutes to tell you what i think about the bbc?

>> apologies for the language, by the way, to anyone who said that, i'm sorry , but you've got that, i'm sorry, but you've got about a minute. you've got literally a minute. so please tell us your thoughts. >> no, no, look, if i, if i only have a minute, i will just sign off by saying this . there is off by saying this. there is a war going on here. the missiles coming in any moment in iran , coming in any moment in iran, they they better they better be alert because there's no doubt in my mind that we're going to bomb their nuclear instruction into fractures. we are going to bomb their oil fields. we will we have to do something. they shot over 180 ballistic missiles into israel. so we'll talk about it next week. let's see what happens this week. nana as usual, it was great being on your show. >> all right. listen, thank you so much. really really to good talk to him. that's there. thanks. live continuing as normal in israel a lot of people , normal in israel a lot of people, although they are obviously under attack. uri geller talking to us live. i'll keep your

thoughts coming. gbnews.com forward slash usa. we'd love to hear your comments. i will read your comments throughout the show . joining me, we've got very show. joining me, we've got very little time. adam brooks and also norman baker. they will be back after the break. but next up i've got my niggle, my niggle , up i've got my niggle, my niggle, and i'm talking about the labour party and really whether they are changing the face of this country for good to an unrecognisable state which could have long lasting implications. stay tuned by nicholas on the way. keep your thoughts coming gbnews.com/yoursay. let's get an update with your weather. >> expect a warm front moving from the kitchen right through to the rest of the house. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good afternoon and welcome to your gb news. weather update from the met office. looking ahead into sunday, it's going to be turning cloudier with spells of rain and then showery as we go into the new week, but largely settled conditions out

there through this afternoon as high pressure is situated towards the east. further towards the east. further towards the east. further towards the west , low pressure towards the west, low pressure and frontal systems across northern ireland that bringing some heavy spells of rain towards the west, but also across the west country. this evening some heavy spells of rain across devon and cornwall as that moves its way towards the north and east, generally fizzling out as it does so, but bringing increasing amounts of cloud across the uk. there may be some clear spells to see the northern lights towards the north, but otherwise temperatures generally mild at around 10 or 11 degrees. now as we go through sunday morning, some clear skies to start the day, especially across northern parts of scotland. so here a bright start to the morning. further towards the west. largely cloudy with outbreaks of rain, and across northern ireland some patchy outbreaks of rain that could be quite heavy at times . cloudy conditions at times. cloudy conditions across the northwest of england , across the northwest of england, but the best of the sunshine will really be focused across east anglia as we start sunday morning , but it won't last too

morning, but it won't last too long as the cloud will increase from the west, bringing in some outbreaks of rain and drizzle across much of the country through sunday morning and into the afternoon. further towards the afternoon. further towards the west, we have a heavy band of thundery, showery rain pushing across northern ireland into south wales and the west country too. but generally temperatures still holding up at around 17 or 18 degrees, so similar to today, but perhaps just a bit of a different feel given the cloudier conditions. now, as we go through sunday evening, that band of rain will continue to push its way north and eastwards, affecting much of northern england. but as we go into monday, tuesday and wednesday, it really is a case of sunny spells and scattered showers with highs of 17 to 18 degrees by judith raanan. >> we can expect clear skies leading to a light and warm day ahead . lovely boxt solar of weather on gb

well. >> hello. good evening. it's just coming up to 4:00. this is gb news. we're live on tv, onune gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics. hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating and discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is businessman and activist adam brooks. and also former home office minister norman baker. coming up, as migrants continue to flood into the uk via small boats and conflicts abroad surge. i'm asking, is rachel reeves right to cut foreign aid? that's on my poll on x , is she that's on my poll on x, is she right? what do you think? let me know your thoughts then. former mep ben habib dishes the dirt and why he's no longer really a part of reform. and what the

future holds for him. in difficult conversations, you will not want to miss that then is this real? it's a bat. it's the size of a human hanging upside down. find out later in clip bait. but before we get started , let's get your latest started, let's get your latest news with katie bowen . news with katie bowen. >> good afternoon. it's just gone 4:00. i'm katie bowen in the gb newsroom, a major policing operation is underway in central london as pro—palestine protests and counter—demonstrations marking the 7th of october attacks in israel take place. tens of thousands of pro—palestine protesters have taken to the streets with them. now gathering outside downing street, with the crowd shouting shame on this government! the demonstrations are under heavy police presence, with the metropolitan police saying they have made 15 arrests so far, with one arrest on

suspicion of supporting a proscribed organisation . french proscribed organisation. french media reports are emerging of at least four deaths, including a child in the english channel. french media reveals the child under the age of four was trampled to death in a boat off the coast of boulogne. in a separate incident, three other migrants lost their lives after their small boat encountered difficulties near calais this year alone, 51 people have died in channel crossings, making marking the highest total since 2019. gb news can reveal that nearly 500 migrants have made the crossing successfully today, despite the incidents off the french coast . british nationals french coast. british nationals are still fleeing lebanon, with are still fleeing lebanon, with a final flight set for sunday amid the escalating conflict across the region. over 250 have already evacuated back to the uk on government chartered flights, and the foreign secretary , david

and the foreign secretary, david lammy, is warning others to register now as future flights aren't guaranteed. it comes as israel intensifies its airstrikes hitting beirut and hezbollah targets while hezbollah targets while hezbollah fired 100 rockets in response . lebanese security response. lebanese security sources are now also reporting to reuters news agency that hezbollah's anticipated new leader has been unreachable since friday. meanwhile, the uk has sent £10 million in aid to lebanon and troops are now stationed in cyprus in case of an emergency. military led evacuation . sir keir starmer is evacuation. sir keir starmer is urging all remaining british nationals to leave lebanon immediately . donald trump is immediately. donald trump is urging israel to strike iran's nuclear facilities after iran launched ballistic missiles in response to israeli action on lebanon. speaking at a campaign event, trump criticised president biden's more restrained approach, saying israel should prioritise hitting iran's nuclear sites. the former

president called iran's nuclear threat the biggest risk, and argued that biden's refusal to support strikes was a mistake. >> they asked him, what do you think about what do you think about iran? would you hit iran? and he goes , as long as they and he goes, as long as they don't hit the nuclear stuff, that's the thing you want to hit, right? i said, i think he's got that one wrong. isn't that what you're supposed to hit? i mean, it's the most it's the biggest risk we have nuclear weapons, the power of nuclear weapons, the power of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. you know, i rebuilt the entire military jets, everything. i built it, including nuclear. and i hated to build the nuclear. but i got to build the nuclear. but i got to know firsthand the power of that stuff . that stuff. >> ukraine is preparing to reveal its victory plan at a meeting with its allies in germany on the 12th of october, president zelenskyy says the plan will outline clear steps to ending the conflict with russia after nearly 1000 days of war.

while the details are still private, u.s. while the details are still private, us officials suggest its revised call for more military aid and long—range missile capabilities. the white house has expressed support , but house has expressed support, but concerns linger about the lack of a thorough strategic framework . boris johnson is framework. boris johnson is geanng framework. boris johnson is gearing up to release his new memoir, unleashed, in a new sit down interview with camilla tominey, the former prime minister warned it would be a disaster if sir keir starmer tries to reverse brexit. johnson also reaffirmed his belief in brexit, claiming it's given the uk the freedom to act more decisively and it also offers the chance to do things better. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> what do you think? if we'd been norma and reeves are trying to reverse. >> so if we'd been a rules, let's say this is the key point. if we. that's what. of course they are. now, if we'd been a rules taker. yes. in at the end of 2020, 2021, we would not have been able to authorise

astrazeneca and pfizer. no no no. but you keep you keep interrupting this because it's very, very important. and that was how by march 2021, we had vaccinated 45% of the uk population , compared to 10% of population, compared to 10% of your legacy . your legacy. >> well, you can watch the full hour long interview with camilla tominey here on gb news tomorrow morning at 930. and finally , morning at 930. and finally, from just 13 runners to millions, parkrun is marking its 20th anniversary today. the global running movement, which began with just a handful of people in london's bushy park in 2004, now spans over 2500 locations in 23 countries. founder paul sinton—hewitt, who started the five—k events to aid his recovery from injury, says parkrun has grown into a force for both physical and mental health, now recommended by thousands of gp surgeries worldwide. the weekly events have registered over 10 million

people. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm katie bowen. more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news. >> dot com. forward slash alerts . >> dot com. forward slash alerts. >> dot com. forward slash alerts. >> thank you katie. it's fast approaching eight minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and digital radio. i'm nana akua within three months of office. this labour government are doing irreversible, lasting damage to this country. damage that will be felt in decades to come. take the bragging of proudly closing the bragging of proudly closing the last of the coal mines with nothing yet in place to take up the slack. thousands are now out of work as a result, with no immediate job replacement. why do that? the green agenda

meaning we will lose our ability to create our very own virgin steel, which is far superior, instead relying on electric arc furnaces that can only deal with reclaimed steel , furnaces that can only deal with reclaimed steel, meaning we'll have to import it from china to meet our meat needs to build ugly. and in my view, dangerous pylons, solar panels, and wind turbines. we won't be able to make them in the uk. turbines. we won't be able to make them in the uk . rather, make them in the uk. rather, we'll be shipping everything from places like china and india. think of the carbon for all of that. oh, we don't need to. we've offset it. what a scam. we will use swathes of land. land we can't afford to lose to onshore wind and solar, damaging for both the environment, damaging for both the environment , the wildlife, and environment, the wildlife, and of course our own food supplies. we're going to be leading the way in carbon capture. what a scam. so we'll have high pressure carbon stored under the seabed next to oil and gas fields run by the oil and gas companies. >> this is such a hugely

exciting moment in the future of british industry because, as ed has already pointed out, it is a landmark week in our national story because this week we saw the end of coal. the end of coal, the power that built this country for many years. and now, as we see the end of coal, we see the new future on our honzon see the new future on our horizon with carbon capture and storage, the largest programme in this new and vital industry anywhere in the world. that is incredible . incredible. >> great. we can brag about being the first fools. sounds like a recipe for one ginormous explosion that would destroy the planet. the other day, the government handed back the chagos islands, as i suspect, a gesture of guilt for empire, a move initiated by james cleverly , move initiated by james cleverly, originally rejected by david cameron and finally implemented by possibly the world's worst diplomat of all time, david lammy, who will surely go down

as the worst home secretary even as the worst home secretary ever. fancy calling the potential leader of the free world who you may have to deal with a neo—nazi sociopath? way to go, david. i suspect you're hoping that you'll never have to speak or confront donald trump to apologise for those ridiculous words. how embarrassing . i've never called embarrassing. i've never called anybody that ever have. you an out loud. he's a public figure. it's abusive language, and the claims are totally unfounded. where are his standards? and they are now going to lease the island for an eye—watering sum . island for an eye—watering sum. the action has reignited the argument over the falklands and other british territories. you couldn't make it up this under a party and a leader who stood on the plinth of integrity. the party set their stall out as houer party set their stall out as holier than thou, a stall letting off their very own rogue landlord, jazz atwal , a stall landlord, jazz atwal, a stall where the front many have pocketed freebies and in the latest a long list of

embarrassing, hypocritical incidents . they're now selling incidents. they're now selling croissants. they need to be held to account for, in my view, their woeful mismanagement of this country a country that, if we're not careful, will be destroyed by their collective greed . and just to correct that, greed. and just to correct that, david lammy is the foreign secretary. did i say home secretary? which one did i say? he's. the foreign secretary. apologises to the home secretary. but before we get stuck into the debate , here's stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today. four of the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, do you trust labour to not give away more territory? well, the prime minister has already given away the chagos islands and has failed to rule out handing away the falklands and gibraltar. so for the great british debate this out, i'm asking, do you trust labour to not give away more territory? and for the past i'll be speaking with pharmacist lauren govind about the new covid variant sweeping through the uk, with gps warning that it's wiping people out. we'll get to the bottom of the reality

of this version of the disease. stay tuned. that is coming up this hour. as ever, post me your comments, send me your thoughts gbnews.com/yoursay . well, i'm gbnews.com/yoursay. well, i'm joined now by former labour special adviser paul richards. paul special adviser paul richards. paul, you heard what i had to say. i did correct my little slight error there, but the sentiment is still the same. where do you stand with all that? with all of that? >> well, i was thinking, come on now , get off. get off the fence. now, get off. get off the fence. why don't you tell us what you really think ? you know, i mean, really think? you know, i mean, that was quite the broadside. but if we if we unpack it a little bit, the carbon capture announcement is over 25 years, and it will create some really good quality jobs for people in merseyside. and teesside. give some young people apprenticeships and move us towards a greener economy. i don't mourn the loss of the last coal mine. i don't think we should be digging up coal anymore. it is a redundant technology and you can't complain about ending the coal mines. and then also complain

about solar and onshore wind because we are going to have to move to those renewables. >> well, i'm complaining about it because and also safeguard the planet. well, i'm complaining about it because of course, in to order make certain things and i presume especially pylons and things like that, you're probably going to need pretty strong steel. we won't be able to make our own virgin steel. we're not there at the point where we can get rid of these things. surely you would replace it when you have something already that can do the thing that it did? i mean, nobody's saying that you shouldn't do that. but take time. >> it is a transition. but we need to get on with it because, you know, the climate crisis is real. but also people need homes to live in. so we are going to need pylons, and it is going to be the case that you know, bits of green belt are going to be dug up and bits of grey belt are going to be used, and we're going to be used, and we're going to be used, and we're going to have to repurpose bits of cities as well, because there's a massive housing crisis and young people just can't get on the housing ladder. so we're going to have to build houses and then we're going to have to have electricity going into

those houses. it's going to have to be pylons that carry it. so we are going to are not being built. >> but paul, the pylons are not specifically being built for new homes. they are being built for so that we can support things like evs and other electric things, and also to harness the energy from the wind farms. that's why they're really being built. it's not necessarily because of people don't have anywhere to live, it's to harness the energy that we're currently wasting with pylons. and pylons are a very old technology. >> well, we're going to have to grow the economy and we're going to have to grow our towns and cities, and we're going to have to supply them with electricity. so that's what the pylons are for. and we need growth in the economy, too. and this government's entire mission is to get the fastest growth in the g7. that's a huge ask. and it's going to need all of us to work in new industries . it's going to in new industries. it's going to need people in every part of the country to be productive and to get more jobs and apprenticeships into the economy, and that's going to have to be fuelled and powered.

and i don't want it fuelled and powered by coal and oil. i want it fuelled and powered by solar and wind and that's the way forward. >> but in the meantime, the things that we can't do, we are going to china and places like that for them to do it so we can offset our carbon , so we can offset our carbon, so we can brag about the fact that we are not using much carbon, which isn't really true. wouldn't it be better for us to just carry on making those things here? because there's a lot of carbon transporting them as well? until we are already set up for this new age of energy production, surely that makes more sense. currently in those steelmaking areas , thousands of people, port areas, thousands of people, port talbot, they've been put out of work . what are they going to do? work. what are they going to do? >> i do i agree with that to some extent. i think if we are going to be using, you know, these enormous wind turbines, for example, they should be manufactured in the uk. i don't think we should be necessarily importing those. but in the meantime, until we have the ability to do that, we do need to get on with our transition and to meet our climate targets. so i don't want us to be reliant

on other countries for our energy, and particularly not on russia. which of course, you know, historically we've been reliant on for the gas. so will we be holding to china, though? >> won't we now be holding to china for steel and other countries that produce it? yes, we'll be holding. we may be no longer. we are actually still using russian gas, oil and gas, but it's coming through a different thing. so we can say that it's not coming from there. but ultimately, will we not be beholden to china? so we've got rid of stealing a gas, but now we'll be trying to get steel from a foreign provider. >> well, i concede that point. i think we do need to up our own game to and have more manufacturing in this country, but that is going to take time. i mean, the government's only 100 days old and this is a ten year programme at least, and it is going to have to be something that we have to go through a transition. so that's what today's or yesterday's announcements are all about in terms of the carbon capture technology. it's an imperfect technology. it's an imperfect technology and it's contested. you know , environmentalists will

you know, environmentalists will say, oh, well, you know, we shouldn't be capturing the carbon. we shouldn't be having the carbon in the first place. but in the meantime, young people need jobs. we need to develop the skills and places like merseyside and teesside do need to reindustrialise. and so that's what this is all about, is moving the economy forward now, not waiting 20 years. >> well, you think they'd start from the beginning though, rather than at the end where they'd like to be and then start working their way up. you have to build all these things before you then put a load of people out of work for this supposed industry that doesn't quite exist yet for steel, that you're still going to have to buy from china and still import oil and gas because you've got rid of all your own reserves. so you're not using your own reserves or you're not going to. i mean, surely you should use things that you have anyway and deplete those whilst you're working out how to create the new energies. but let's let's quickly move on to the chagos islands, because a lot of people think that that has now become sort of like a that's lit the match for other , that's lit the match for other, other places to now leave the british sort of empire, as it were. i mean, obviously we're

not an empire now, but do you know what i mean? >> i don't believe for one second this jeopardises the status of the falklands or gibraltar or the other overseas territories. it's a specific deal done as a result of a legal action and actually safeguards the us base on the chagos , which the us base on the chagos, which is in our strategic interests as well. but i mean, i would i would resign from the labour party now if i felt for a minute this was in any way a thin end of a wedge of getting rid of the falklands or gibraltar and the falklands or gibraltar and the falklands in particular, where british blood has been shed. and, you know , they want to be and, you know, they want to be british and they are british, and they will stay british. so i think it's a little bit of scare mongering going on with this, with the chagos islands issue, because it does it does not impact at all our position on the falklands, gibraltar and elsewhere. >> but the argentinians are now saying that they are going to continue now until they get the island back, having seen what they've been saying that for 40 years, haven't they? >> and they can and they can go wistful. >> you know, we've been very

clear on it, but it had gone quiet. we'd kind of moved on. but now this has reignited it and everybody's feeling a bit a bit nervous about that . not only bit nervous about that. not only that, but they didn't ask the chagos people, the chagos islands, they didn't ask them what they would like to happen because surely that's that was the problem in the first place. they took something without asking, and now they should ask . asking, and now they should ask. >> i mean, i think that's fair. actually. i heard peter lam, who is the labour mp who represents an area where lots of the chagossians live in the uk now, and he was saying they hadn't been consulted. there was a sort of rather hasty phone call trying to be put through. so i think that's a shame. i think they should have been part of the discussion, of course. i mean, not all the chagossians do want to go back. of course, many of them quite like living in crawley and have settled down, and they've been here a long time now. and so it's not a you know, they're not an entirely displaced people. some of them are very happy where they are. but yes, they should have been consulted. i think that's only reasonable, actually. yeah. >> all right. listen, paul, really good to talk to you. that's the former labour special adviser. thank you, paul richards. excellent, excellent. right. you're with me. i'm nana akua. right. you're with me. i'm nana akua . this is gb news. we're

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you've just tuned in. where have you been? sorry, sorry. you've missed a little bit of the show, but we're halfway through, so you stuck around for the rest of it. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv , online and on digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. this is gb news now. it's time for the great british debate this out. and i'm asking, do you trust labour not to give away more territory ? well, as we saw more territory? well, as we saw earlier this week, the prime minister decided to hand the chagos islands to mauritius after 200 years of british rule . after 200 years of british rule. and when asked by reporters yesterday over the giving away of any further overseas territories, he did not rule anything out. so could this mean that the falklands or gibraltar is next? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, do you trust labour not to give away more territory? well, joining me now is businessman and activist and former adam brooks, also former home office minister norman baken home office minister norman baker. adam brooks. i'm going to start with you. >> no, i don't trust labour on many things, but they have emboldened argentina and spain. here are for the falklands and

gibraltar. i mean, at a time when britain is sort of pleading poverty to, you know, the government is pleading poverty, why are we giving away valuable land to another country that is 1300 miles away? i know it's complex with the history, but no , complex with the history, but no, i do not trust them not to give the falklands away in years to come. many ministers over the last few decades from labour have argued that point. now let's remember 221 british soldiers died defending the falklands. for him not to answer that on live tv to reporters is very telling, and i think is a slap in the face to those that died. he should have shut that down straight away and said, no, we are britain. we are not giving in. we've done this strategically and that's why he's done it . strategically and that's why he's done it. but strategically and that's why he's done it . but protect the he's done it. but protect the other assets that we've got in the world. there's many people that rely on those places as

well. >> do you think, norman, that this is some sort of maybe slight distraction tactics to sort of take our eye off the ball over a lot of things that may be coming out or things that are going on at the moment with the labour. >> well, i don't know about the timing of it. i mean, you can always politicians are happy to put things at a particular time for particular purposes. but no, look, i think this is a special case to be fair to the government , the issue of the government, the issue of the chagos islands goes back to 1968. i think it is when mauritius became independent from britain, and they should have been transferred to mauritius at that point, because they belonged to mauritius in terms of the geographical nature of the area. and they weren't , of the area. and they weren't, because what happened was they wanted to be we wanted to keep them along with the us for military purposes and rather disgracefully, in my view, we forced all the inhabitants to leave and they had to go somewhere else. and that was quite shocking , really. the un quite shocking, really. the un general assembly has had a to vote say, and other international bodies have looked at this, that they should return to mauritius. we've now got a deal which hopefully is stable.

we keep diego garcia for 99 years, which is where the military bases are . so that's military bases are. so that's not affected. and the other islands will return to mauritius . islands will return to mauritius. i think that's exactly right. so i think that's exactly right. so i support the government on that. and of course, this is a long history of this started as you saw more recently by jeremy cleverly when he was tory foreign secretary. i think it was. and he was going down that road. so all the government's done really is to give effect to what the conservatives began. i don't think it affects the falklands. i don't know whether you did shut this down or not. if he didn't do, he should have done as adam made the point. but my understanding was downing street did in fact issue a statement saying the falklands wasn't up for negotiation . wasn't up for negotiation. whether the argentinians think it may well be is a different point, but argentina have vowed to take full sovereignty. well, they have done for decades. >> no, but they are now vocally saying this to the world. it's on every news outlet. you know, we will take that back. for me, thatis we will take that back. for me, that is a declaration of war. you know, via those words, our government has shown weakness

around the world. and i think, as i say, it is emboldened. argentina, spain and other places which are important to this country. >> well, i agree , and if he >> well, i agree, and if he didn't shut that down, i haven't seen the clip. starmer didn't. then he should have shut it down because but in my understanding, is the labour position is that there's no discussion about transferring the falklands to argentina and no discussion about gibraltar going to spain. and if he's not clear on that, he should make it clear now. >> yeah, but the thing is as well, with this is that we've taken ownership of, of an island and we've, we've now given it back only to take a lease basically effectively. so we are now paying them for the privilege now more than one island. is it. privilege now more than one island. is it . we should know island. is it. we should know what we are paying taxpayers. what are we now on the hook for? there ? it's a 99 year lease. there? it's a 99 year lease. what happens when that lease expires? does it does it go to like a hong kong style thing where it just goes back? yes. what happens to the people there? do we have to take them? we don't know any of these

details. this government needs to tell us what they've negotiated on our behalf. the government works for us. we're in the dark. >> well, i agree that they should be very clear about the conditions. it'sjust should be very clear about the conditions. it's just a 99 year lease. my understanding is there aren't people there because they're all chucked off the island, and it's simply a military base. so there aren't going to be people affected either now or in 99 years. >> in terms of in 100 years, there might be thousands of people there. >> we don't know because it was a military base. it's going to stay a military base only for military purposes for the uk and us. so that's that's safe. and the people who've been thrown off their islands and forced to move away from their homes, the descendants of those people are not going to be able to come back to where they lived. >> why does right. why do you think? well, the descendants might not want to go back there. well, no, no, you don't know. why do you think the government has been campaigning for years to nana? well, a loud voices doesn't mean it's a majority voice. it'sjust doesn't mean it's a majority voice. it's just a loud voice. why is it that the government did not ask the people? then surely you would think that you'd at least have some sort of referendum to find out whether the people themselves want to be part of? >> well, there's a protest from indigenous people of that area.

i think , in london today or very i think, in london today or very soon, saying that they wished they'd been consulted and they wanted to remain under british rule. now, there's many complicated things as well. with this military base. i was reading grant shapps tweets that i mean, he really did oppose this. he said that there's something called an african nuclear weapon free zone treaty. now , suddenly, if we do not own now, suddenly, if we do not own that, that island, we just rent it effectively. what happens if we do want nuclear weapons on there ? are we at the there? are we at the jurisdiction of that area of mauritius ? say no. now can we mauritius? say no. now can we have them on there? >> what about china? >> what about china? >> no. diego garcia has been ring fenced to stay under uk and us military control, so there's no change to that. >> as a lease. but we are not the owners. so if there's treaties around the world that say you cannot have nuclear weapons , there suddenly, does weapons, there suddenly, does this affect? we just need to know. i'm asking the question, you know, our the defence of our country around the world is important to me. i've got

children. so does this affect our ability? if china starts flexing their muscles to act? >> well, look, you're right to say we ought to know the full details of the agreement. but my understanding is there's no to change the arrangements there. and if we wanted to have nuclear weapons there, we could have. i have no doubt, actually, that nuclear planes carrying nuclear weapons do land there, and no reason to think they don't. yeah , reason to think they don't. yeah, but that's that's all very well. >> but why then give away something to then lease it, then it suddenly, suddenly vulnerable to potential other powers like china or others to maybe offer a higher amount and also not ask the people of the island. it's an asset. >> it's our asset. at the end of the day, this country, we they represent us. you've got to say they give away our asset. all right. >> we'll separate out diego garcia, which is one island from the other islands which weren't used for military purposes, have been returned. >> we'll come back to that. we'll come back to that. keep your thoughts coming, gbnews.com/yoursay. i'll read some of those comments. i will do, but you're with me. i'm nana akua this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital

radio. coming up in the pulse pharmacist govind will be here to tell us about the dangers of the new covid variant said to be sweeping across the uk. is it really as bad as they're making out? first, let's get your latest news headlines with katie bowen . bowen. >> a very good afternoon to you. it's just gone half past four i'm katie bowen in the gb newsroom a major policing operation is underway in central london as pro—palestine protests and counter—demonstrations both marking the 7th of october attacks in israel, take place. tens of thousands of pro—palestine protesters have taken to the streets with them. now gathering outside downing street, with the crowd shouting shame on this government! the demonstrations are under heavy police presence, with the metropolitan police saying they have made 15 arrests so far, with one arrest on suspicion of

supporting a proscribed organisation . home secretary organisation. home secretary yvette cooper says she has been in touch with the french interior minister following reports of at least four deaths, including a child in the english channel. french media has revealed that the child under the age of four was trampled to death in a boat off the coast of boulogne in a separate incident, three other migrants lost their lives after their small boat encountered difficulties near calais . this year alone, 51 calais. this year alone, 51 people have died in channel crossings, marking the highest toll since 2019, gb news can reveal that nearly 500 migrants have made the crossing successfully today, despite the incidents off the french coast , incidents off the french coast, bofis incidents off the french coast, boris johnson is gearing up to release his new memoir unleashed in a sit down interview with camilla tominey, the former prime minister warned it would be a disaster if sir keir starmer tries to reverse brexit. johnson also reaffirmed his

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>> welcome back. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. i'm nana akua if you just tuned in. lovely to have your company right. well listen according to scientists a new covid variant el—sisi could soon take off and become the dominant type. now gps have already started raising concerns about this, which is currently spreading across the uk, and reportedly wipes you out. but i mean, you know, we've heard this so many times before, i'm a little bit sick of it, but i want to get the definitive on what exactly it is. so joining me now to discuss is pharmacist

lauren covid. all right lauren here they go again. another covid variant. covid covid. it will kill you this that and the other. or make you really wipe you out. it's deadly serious. a lot of people just think it's the flu. can you just give us a clear understanding of what covid is and why there is this other side to it that seems to create a cytokine storm and kill people? >> okay, so we have the worst of the pandemic, right? >> and remember, you could only walk into your supermarket and you could only walk into your pharmacy to see to get any advice basically. but i think we need to realise that we are having to live with covid and around this time of year it's autumn, it's winter, we're all mixing a lot more inside. we are all, you know, we're all huddung all, you know, we're all huddling inside. it's getting a bit colder. we need to, i think, just recognise that it's likely that we're probably might get a little bit iller, or we're more likely to come into contact with viruses. okay? and covid is a viruses. okay? and covid is a virus and what this is, this is a mutation of a virus. and that's really common because viruses are looking at new ways

to stay alive just like we are. right? so this is a mix of the kp 3.1 and the cs 1.1 strains of the virus, which won't mean a lot to most people, but ultimately it's just a new strain, a recombinant strain, because it's a mix of those two. and this variant will is sort of a bit like flu in the symptoms that people are experiencing. so what does that mean then? >> well, people often people die of flu and you know, it happens and you can die of some weird viruses that suddenly come along that you've never even heard of or lose limbs and things just from frightening viruses that are quite rare in some respects. so why the big deal on this one? a lot of people will be thinking it's just flu, isn't it? >> well, i'm not i'm not panicking about this. i think we need to have a really measured approach. and how would i help a patient who came in and had these things tell them to get out and don't spread it. >> go back to your house. >> go back to your house. >> well, you know, funny that in the middle of covid, i was saying to patients, please wait outside so i can come and give

you the treatment that you require outside. but they were coming in and coughing on us. that was what was happening dunng that was what was happening during the worst of covid. so what i would say is you need a painkiller at home and that might be something like paracetamol in your stock cupboard . you need to make sure cupboard. you need to make sure that you're keeping warm. we need to make sure that we are having lots of fluids and keeping warm and resting . that's keeping warm and resting. that's the mainstay of most of the treatment for the viruses around this time of year. >> making such a big issue because i've read about it and there's a story about it. and like, to be honest with you, as long as it's not going to. not likely to kill most people . you likely to kill most people. you know, i just i sometimes feel that they are overegging it. but then there was that side of covid that created that your body could create the cytokine storm. so does this one have that potential as well. >> so we are finding out more about these strains as you know as we as we deal with them. what i would say is as a member of the public, would i be getting worried or stressed about this? i would be thinking being a sensible person, i'd be trying. if i was feeling unwell, i'd if if i was feeling unwell, i'd if i could work from home, i'd work from home. that's not an option

for everyone. i'd be being considerate of my friends and family if i was feeling unwell and trying not to. you know , and trying not to. you know, keeping distance and trying not to spread it to them. but for the most people, it's not going to be a big deal. but the most people, it's not going to be a big deal . but we the most people, it's not going to be a big deal. but we need to make sure that for those it is, you know, the most vulnerable there are options. and also we need to think about the covid vaccine is available there as well. any more of those. >> so a lot of people have put off by that because, you know, it turns out when they thought they talked about transmission and it doesn't really reduce transmission , just reduces your transmission, just reduces your severity of the disease. if you've already had it though, you've already had it though, you've got your own antibodies to do that. is the vaccine becoming a little bit redundant now? >> let's be honest, i think we need to . there are some people need to. there are some people who are going to see benefits in the vaccine. so people in care homes, people who are they're looking at for over 65 and older, you can go and get it if you've got if you're vulnerable. so you've got long term health conditions. we need to be thinking about if it's appropriate for you, but it's always about the discussion with the healthcare professional. is it and what's right for you as an individual . an individual. >> because i can remember, you know, encouraging people to get vaccinated and i'm somebody who really supports the idea of vaccines and things . but i was

vaccines and things. but i was disappointed when we later learned that it didn't really help much with transmission, which was the whole reason why people were getting vaccinated to protect others. so you know, people are very put off by it, but obviously it shouldn't put people off vaccines that we all know of that actually do what vaccines say they're going to do. >> so first of all, with vaccines, they're continually checking up on them. there's a whole program of checking up on any drug or vaccine as to when it's released, how it actually develops and how it's being dean develops and how it's being dealt with by the general population. the idea is that if you are going to get ill, you might not get as unwell as you might not get as unwell as you might be if you don't have the vaccine. and i think we can't minimise that. there are people who are being admitted to hospital because of covid and the rates of people in the hospitals are going up, so we need to think about that as well. yeah. >> no, no, that's that's the truth. i mean there's a balance and you've got to work out for your own personal, make your own personal decision. because if it doesn't really impact on transmission that much, then it's really the individual that needs to decide what's right for them. >> absolutely. and individual

decision. yeah. >> lovely. sorin covid, thank you very much. really good to talk to you. that is sorin covid. we talked about this new variant of covid that is sweeping the nation. if you do get it, obviously do the normal thing that you would do with any other virus. just coming up to 45 minutes after 4:00. but don't panic. you know, with me, i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv , online and on we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. next, a great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, will smashing the gangs work? this is

gb news. good afternoon. this is gb news just coming up to 49 minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua welcome. it's time now for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking will smashing the gangs work? yesterday the home secretary yvette cooper will get that right. agreed. a major international plan to smash the criminal gangs responsible for

smuggling illegal migrants into g7 nations. now, keir starmer is the fifth british prime minister promising to stem the tide of illegal migration across the engush illegal migration across the english channel. however, so far there is no sign of any gangs being smashed and channel migrant arrivals for further escalated since labour took power. so for the great british debate this year, i'm asking will smashing the gangs work? well , joining me now to discuss well, joining me now to discuss businessman and activist adam brooks , who's a former home brooks, who's a former home office minister, norman baker. norman baker, talk to me. what do you think? is he. will this work? >> it's right to identify the gangs as a point in the system which needs to be dealt with. that's quite sensible to do that . that's quite sensible to do that. and they are the ones who are making life miserable for those who are being taken across the channel and through europe and everywhere else. so they're nasty people. so it's right to try and deal with those. i don't have the confidence actually, that that it's going to work. i mean, i think it's right to try. but, you know, as you said, a succession of prime ministers have said that and without very

much success. >> adam brooks, it's a load of pr nonsense. they're not going to smash any gangs at all. this is to get the headlines, to pretend that they're they're going to do something. at the end of the day, we give asylum to something like 70 odd percent of the people that apply here in france. it's more like 25%. we are being inundated by economic migrants now. we've got countries in europe like germany, putting up the barriers now . so they're shutting their now. so they're shutting their borders. they've got a problem . borders. they've got a problem. they realise they've got a problem. where are these migrants now all going to head to us? the easy touch. we've got a left wing government that really isn't going to do anything about this. and i can see record numbers next year and it only getting worse. you know, we can't even house our own poorest . we can't even give poorest. we can't even give money to our pensioners to stay warm. but they are giving billions each year to make sure that someone that comes across on a dinghy gets fed three times

a day, gets free health care and a day, gets free health care and a bed. things have got to change, and i don't think they will. >> well, there have been smashed gangsis >> well, there have been smashed gangs is a is a label that has been used by successive governments. so i mean all they're doing is repeating what's happened before the number of people who come to this country. if you look at the legal migration figures, they completely dwarf the illegal migration figures as well . migration figures as well. that's that's where the numbers are actually not in the boats. i mean, the boats are bad enough, but i mean, the number of people who come across legally, far dwarfs that. now, i've always taken the view. i'm not. >> hold on. the people coming home legally are not being housed in hotels. no. i'm going to come to that point now and that's and we can track them. yes, i, i agree though, we have messed up with that. gordon. >> i want to come to that point because i've always taken the view that when people come across here, it's controversial view that the way to stop them having support from the state is actually to get them working. i think people come over here while they're being processed. we should process them much more quickly. by the way, part of the problem is it takes years sometimes to process people rather than producing too many. >> we are signalling to the world enough. >> we're processing very, very

slowly. >> but the ones that are applying 70 odd percent are being granted asylum. the other 20% that are not given asylum are made to stay here as well. >> well, they should be sent back funding them. i'm in favour of sending back those. i mean, processing very quickly and sending back those who fail. but i also think with people who are in the process of being held here, they should be made to work. and if they did that, because otherwise it becomes an open. >> no, i don't think it does. well, listen, i've got to ask the viewers, this show is nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. john reed. hello, john. all right. what do you think ? where do you stand with think? where do you stand with all of this? smashing the gangs. will it work? >> well, right now, a long time no see. will it work? no. not a cat in hell's chance of this working. nana. i'm with adam on this. and the reason it won't work is very simple. the gangs that are doing this are way more professional than the people we're putting out to stop them. they really know what they're talking about now, as you know, work in prisons quite often.

i've spoken with people that have come across illegally, backs of lorries or whatever , backs of lorries or whatever, committed a crime, got locked up for it, found guilty, got locked up.and for it, found guilty, got locked up. and then i've asked them, well , how did up. and then i've asked them, well, how did you do it? what? what have you managed? i can recall one guy who told me he got on a lorry in albania with 22 other people, and he got off in dover and i said, well, why did you come in the first place? and he said, well, my brother has got a car wash business and he wanted a few more staff, so he wanted a few more staff, so he paid my fare here in the uk and all i had to do is get on the lorry. so it was a no brainer really. i don't think we'll ever stop it. i don't think so. i think what what nobody's saying we should process them quicker. either send them home or get them working. yeah, that makes sense. but can we stop the boats? no, i don't think so. >> no, no. thank you so much, john. really to good talk to you. john doesn't think we can stop the boats or even the gangs or any of it. what do you think? gbnews.com/yoursay ? lots of gbnews.com/yoursay? lots of people getting in touch with their thoughts. john says . hi

their thoughts. john says. hi nana, i think i heard the chagos archipelago issue involved a treaty. should this change not require a parliamentary vote? you would think, and you'd think they'd also have the nerve or they'd also have the nerve or the courage to ask the people of the courage to ask the people of the island itself. well, you're with me. i'm nana akua this is gb news. we're live on tv, onune gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. plenty more still to come in the next hour , including former next hour, including former deputy leader of reform uk ben habib. he's going to join me for the difficult conversations and i'll ask him about his falling out with nigel farage. you won't want to miss that. but first let's get some weather. >> heavy showers first thing will be followed by a warm, cosy day . boxt will be followed by a warm, cosy day. boxt boilers will be followed by a warm, cosy day . boxt boilers sponsors of day. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good afternoon and welcome to your gb news. weather update from the met office. looking ahead into sunday, it's going to be turning cloudier with spells of rain and then showery as we go into the new week, but largely settled conditions out

there through this afternoon as high pressure is situated towards the east. further towards the east. further towards the east. further towards the west, low pressure and frontal systems across northern ireland that bringing some heavy spells of rain towards the west, but also across the west country. this evening some heavy spells of rain across devon and cornwall as that moves its way towards the north and east, generally fizzling out as it does so, but bringing increasing amounts of cloud across the uk. there may be some clear spells to see the northern lights towards the north, but otherwise temperatures generally mild at around 10 or 11 degrees. now, as we go through sunday morning, some clear skies to start the day, especially across northern parts of scotland. so here a bright start to the morning further towards the west . further towards the west. largely cloudy with outbreaks of rain and across northern ireland some patchy outbreaks of rain that could be quite heavy at times. cloudy conditions across the northwest of england, but the northwest of england, but the best of the sunshine will really be focused across east anglia as we start sunday morning, but it won't last too

long as the cloud will increase from the west, bringing in some outbreaks of rain and drizzle across much of the country through sunday morning and into the afternoon. further towards the afternoon. further towards the west, we have a heavy band of thundery, showery rain pushing across northern ireland into south wales and the west country too. but generally temperatures still holding up at around 17 or 18 degrees, so similar to today , but perhaps similar to today, but perhaps just a bit of a different feel given the cloudier conditions. now, as we go through sunday evening, that band of rain will continue to push its way north and eastwards, affecting much of northern england . but as we go northern england. but as we go into monday, tuesday and wednesday it really is a case of sunny spells and scattered showers with highs of 17 to 18 degrees by. >> despite the morning rain, it'll be a nice, warm, cosy day i >> -- >> boxt heat pumps sponsors of weather on

>> good afternoon. it is 5:00. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio for the next hour , me and my panel will next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating and discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today , cancelled. so joining me today, it is businessman and activist adam brooks and also former home office minister norman baker. coming up as migrants continue to flood into the uk via small boats and conflicts abroad . boats and conflicts abroad. surge i'm asking on x is rachel reeves right to cut foreign aid? send me your thoughts , post your send me your thoughts, post your comments, let me know. what do you think? what's your view then? former mep ben habib dishes the dirt on why he is no longer really part of reform. so

what is the future and what does the future hold for him in difficult conversations? you won't want to miss that. that is coming up very shortly. and is this real? it's a bat. it's the size of a human hanging upside down. find out later in my clickbait. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with katie bowen . news with katie bowen. >> very good afternoon to you. it's just gone 5:00. i'm katie bowen in the gb newsroom, a major policing operation has been underway in central london as pro—palestine protesters and counter—demonstrations, both marking the 7th of october attacks in israel, have been taking place. tens of thousands of pro—palestinian pro—palestine protesters have taken to the streets with them, gathering outside downing street and shouting shame on this government! the demonstrations are under heavy police presence,

with the metropolitan police saying they have made 15 arrests so far, with one arrest on suspicion of supporting a proscribed organisation . home proscribed organisation. home secretary yvette cooper says she has been in touch with the french interior minister, following reports of at least four deaths, including that of a child in the english channel. french media reveals the child under the age of four was trampled to death in a boat off the coast of boulogne. in a separate incident, three other migrants lost their lives after their small boat encountered difficulties near calais. this year alone, 51 people have died in channel crossings, marking the highest toll since 2019. gb news can reveal that nearly 500 migrants have made the crossing successfully today, despite the incidents off the french coast , incidents off the french coast, british nationals are still fleeing lebanon, with a final flight set for sunday amid the escalating conflict across the region . over 250 have already

region. over 250 have already evacuated back to the uk on government chartered flights, and the foreign secretary, david lammy, is warning others to register now as future flights aren't guaranteed. it comes as israel intensifies its airstrikes hitting beirut and hezbollah targets, while hezbollah targets, while hezbollah fired 100 rockets in response , lebanese security response, lebanese security forces are now also reporting to reuters news agency that hezbollah's anticipated new leader has been unreachable since friday. meanwhile, the uk has sent £10 million in aid to lebanon and troops are now stationed in cyprus in case of an emergency. military led evacuation. sir keir starmer is urging all remaining british nationals in lebanon to leave immediately . donald trump is immediately. donald trump is urging israel to strike iran's nuclear facilities after iran launched ballistic missiles in response to israeli action in lebanon. speaking at a campaign event, trump criticised

president biden's more restrained approach, saying israel should prioritise hitting iran's nuclear sites . the former iran's nuclear sites. the former president called iran's nuclear threat the biggest risk, and argued that biden's refusal to support strikes was a mistake. >> they asked him, what do you think about what do you think about iran? would you hit iran? and he goes , as long as they and he goes, as long as they don't hit the nuclear stuff , don't hit the nuclear stuff, that's the thing you want to hit right ? i said, i think he's got right? i said, i think he's got that one wrong. isn't that what you're supposed to hit? i mean, it's the most it's the biggest risk we have nuclear weapons, the power of nuclear weapons, the power of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. you know , the power of weaponry. you know, i rebuilt the entire military jets , everything. i built it, jets, everything. i built it, including nuclear. and i hated to build the nuclear. but i got to build the nuclear. but i got to know firsthand the power of that stuff . that stuff. >> well, back at home, boris johnson is gearing up to release his new memoir , unleashed. in a his new memoir, unleashed. in a sit down interview with camilla

tominey, the former prime minister warned it would be a disaster if sir keir starmer tries to reverse brexit. johnson also reaffirmed his belief in brexit, claiming it has given the uk the freedom to act more decisively and do things better. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> what do you think? if we'd been norma and reeves are trying to reverse, if we'd been a rules. >> see, this is the key point. if we. that's what. of course they are. now, if we'd been a rules taker. yes. in at the end of 2020, 2021, we would not have been able to authorise astrazeneca and pfizer. no no no. but you keep you keep interrupting this because it's very, very important. and that was how by march 2021, we had vaccinated 45% of the uk population compared to 10% of your legacy . your legacy. >> wow. you can watch the full hour long interview with camilla tominey here on gb news tomorrow morning from 9:30 am. a family

in lancashire say they're heartbroken after police mistakenly euthanized their xl bully dog, bruno. lancashire police admitted the error, saying bruno was put down due to an administration mistake while his owners were seeking an exemption to keep him. the force has issued an unreserved apology and vowed to change its processes to prevent it from happening again. the family is demanding more transparency on how the police would ensure it does not happen again . and does not happen again. and finally, from just 13 runners to millions, parkrun is marking its 20th anniversary today. the global running movement, which began with just a handful of people in london's bushy park in 2004, now spans over 2500 locations in 23 countries. founder paul sinton—hewitt says parkrun has grown into a force for both physical and mental health, and is now recommended by thousands of gp surgeries worldwide. the weekly events have registered over 10 million

people. those are your latest gb news headlines for now. i'm katie bowen , more in half an katie bowen, more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com . the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching eight minutes after 5:00. this is gb news with britain's news channel. i'm nana akua. coming up, lots of things to get through following a huge £22 billion announcement a huge lots of stories to come with us. the prime minister's carbon capture and storage technology, we're debating whether it is a good or bad thing or was it a complete waste of money? difficult conversations mep ben habib will be dishing the dirt or his thoughts. and also why he's no longer potentially part of reform. we'll get to the bottom of that in difficult conversations. that's on the way. you won't want to miss

that. then . in my great british that. then. in my great british debate this hour, i'm asking is bofis debate this hour, i'm asking is boris better than the tory leadership candidates? that comes as the full conservative leadership hopefuls set out their visions this week for reforming the party after its landslide defeat in the general election. so what do you think? send me your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . comments gbnews.com/yoursay. right. so the government have pledged nearly 22 billion to fund projects that capture greenhouse gases from polluting plants and store them underground under the seabed as it races to reach a strict climate target that feels like it's been plucked out of thin air. it's said that the funding for two carbon capture clusters promised over the next 25 years would create thousands of jobs, attract private investment and help the uk meet climate goals. but green groups have warned that the wrong use risks prolonging dependence on fossil fuels. exactly. so is carbon capture a good thing? joining me

now to debate this climate scientist paul burgess , senior scientist paul burgess, senior meteorologist and social commentator jim meteorologist and social commentatorjim dale. okay, i'm going to start with you, paul burgess . carbon capture. we get burgess. carbon capture. we get the idea. is it safe to store high pressure carbon near sort of oil and gas fields and things? i thought it would be dangerous. is it ? dangerous. is it? >> well, it can, it can be, but, i mean, i'm sure they would test you to make sure that it's safe in that sense. the problem is that even according to the government , the or the ed government, the or the ed miliband's department, it puts the costs up by at least 40%. i mean , up to 40% of a power mean, up to 40% of a power station's energy can be used just to bury it. so you've now you need almost double the power stations. that's number one. number two, it's a failed technology. it's been tried right round the world. and number three, there is that and failed. by the way, over 80% has failed. by the way, over 80% has failed completely. there's no commercially viable. and then, of course, if anyone's going to propose this, like jim, i'm sure

will, then you've got to give me the benefit for it . so you've the benefit for it. so you've got to say how much change will there be in temperature, for example? i can tell you the answer. it's in a few millionths of a degree unmeasurable. so we're spending 22 billion, which, by the way, would support the old age pensioner fuel payment for 15 years. but that's the priority of our government. >> all right, let's go to jim dale. jim dale. >> yeah. good afternoon. the pair of you. good to be here. look, first thing to say. net zero. we're in law. the last government and this government, we've got to get there by 2050. so this is one of the tools. so this is a necessary part of the future. it's a part of the future. it's a part of the future . technology moves on. future. technology moves on. paups future. technology moves on. paul's just said it doesn't work. well it's working better. look, there are better people than me and paul who are in charge of this, this this particular exercise over the next 25 years. by the way, that's expenditure of 22 billion is essentially just less than a billion a year. so it's not like what's been been put across the headunes what's been been put across the headlines at all. it's creating

up to 4000 jobs, according to the government and 50,000 support jobs during that period. so that's the first thing. and these are industrial wastelands. these are in merseyside and teesside. so these are the areas where you want these sort of things. now in terms of the actual climate side of things, yes, to a degree in the past it hasn't worked in the in the way that probably it would. but look any any technology moves on any technology gets better with time. and these engineers, these people who are in charge of this, they're not stupid. we're not going to commit this sort of money to something that does not work. >> but maybe they would. >> but maybe they would. >> but maybe they would. >> but jim . >> but jim. >> but jim. >> but jim. >> but jim, maybe they would. maybe they would . isn't it going maybe they would. isn't it going to be the oil and gas companies that are going to run these projects as well? so they're going to move from oil and gas. >> yeah, 95% of the fossil fuels that these oil and gas gas companies create, it will be taken out of the air. that's the whole point of this. so it's a win win, win win exercise. >> but it just seems i'm sort of scratching my head with this because it doesn't seem to make sense to me, paul, because we

don't how much of it there's a finite amount of carbon that we actually need. and if we end up capturing too much, then it's going to be detrimental. and i don't really believe we can actually capture it. >> paul the well, the world economy couldn't even stand it. i mean, if this project works, looking at the figures for liverpool and tyneside, looking at those figures, it's 0.00000003% of the world's current carbon thing. it makes no difference at all. what we're doing is spending this money spending and squandering this money, and it makes no difference at all. so if we're going to spend 22 billion, i don't care over what time it is if you're going to spend that sort of money, give me the benefit . and if you're measuring benefit. and if you're measuring that benefit, a cordle's according to their models, not mine, you're looking at a millionth or 2,000,000th of a degree, if that. that's all you're looking at. so where is the benefit, jim? >> okay. where's the benefit? jim, you've got about 20s. where's the benefit? >> okay. so over the time 54,000

jobs in deprived areas. but we haven't got the jobs yet. then we will take we will take carbon out of the atmosphere. we've got our own reason to do this in terms of net zero. that's what we've got to actually do. so this is going to create jobs. it's going to take co2. and by god, do we need it to open our to eyes see what's going on around the world globally at this moment in time? >> potatoes. >> potatoes. no, >> potatoes. no, no >> potatoes. no, no no >> potatoes. no, no no no >> potatoes. no, no no no no >> potatoes. no, no no no no no no no no. let's not do this. you know how we're going to behave today, jim dale paul burgess, thank you very much. you're welcome. right. let's speak to my panel. norman baker and also adam brooks. all right, norman baker , i'll start with you. baker, i'll start with you. carbon capsule. >> i'm sad about this in a way, because climate change is a very serious issue. i do believe that. and i do believe net zero is a sensible policy to aim for. but this isn't the way to do it. this is incoherent action in my view, because it depends on fossil fuels generating carbon in order to capture it. and actually the amount of money that's being spent would be far

better used for. first of all, energy conservation and efficiency to reduce the amount of energy we use, which would cut people's bills actually in their houses. and secondly, on developing renewables, which are a proven technology. some days now , half of our energy now, half of our energy generation is from renewables . generation is from renewables. that's what we're spending money on, not carbon capture. and storage. yeah. >> and perhaps maybe even using tidal energy, which we have, we're an island. so there'll be that will be like never ending. >> look, we're we're pledging £22 billion on machines that basically do what trees do. why do we not just plant millions of trees? why do we have to pollute by building these machines for something that probably will not work? someone told me earlier that we tried this in the 2000. it did not work. so why is it going to work now? look, we have got the serious thing is i've got the serious thing is i've got three kids going forward for their future. we've got china building power stations yet. we've got this government pledging to build flywheels and

capture carbon . now, all that's capture carbon. now, all that's going to happen in the next 20 years is we are going to be left behind . we're going to be behind. we're going to be poorer, we're going to be colder , poorer, we're going to be colder, and we are going to be weaker than some of the superpowers like china out there. this is madness. >> well, a net zero will simply be the sum in our bank accounts, won't it? >> look, i mean net zero. if it's planned properly, you can develop renewable energy and develop renewable energy and develop an industry to here build wind turbines, for example, to actually be leaders in the whole field. denmark was ahead of the game on wind turbines, cleaned up very nicely. thank you very much . so nicely. thank you very much. so it needn't be the case. i don't think it will be the case that the right policies make their own steel, though the wind turbines, well, they should do. >> can't be a leader in wind turbines and pylons and everything else. no, we won't make them. you don't have the raw material. >> what happened to all these small modular nuclear reactors that we was going to do with rolls—royce? we need to become self—sufficient. all this wasting money on net zero. there is no evidence wasting money. there is no evidence that net zero changes the climate in the future. there is no evidence for

that. we are ticking boxes. >> there's an economic argument for moving towards renewable energy, making a self—sufficient. it makes us self—sufficient. it makes us self—sufficient in this country, not dependent on russian gas. and it creates jobs. >> will you be dependent on china for steel now? >> well, look, i mean, i agree with you, nana. that's a separate argument, but i agree with you on because that's all part of the movement towards it. >> you have to take the whole thing as a whole thing, not just all that little bit that impacts. >> no, no, let's be honest. net zero is to increase taxes and control the masses. >> all right. final word. >> all right. final word. >> it isn't. i agree with you on the steel point. we should have our own steel industry. and it's very sad what happened in port talbot. but renewables are the future. they can create jobs and they can cut carbon. and that's what we should be doing rather than carbon capture and storage. well, you would think. >> and so we all agree carbon capture and storage is a bit of a silly idea. you probably think that if you really wanted to do that if you really wanted to do that seriously, that you'd make sure maybe everyone could have a wind turbine. new houses would absolutely have solar panels and you'd have it localised. but no, they won't make any money out of you like that, will they? of course not. what do you think?

gbnews.com/yoursay next. my difficult conversation. former deputy leader of reform uk , ben deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib will be here to tell us what his future holds after his little falling out with nigel farage. he's on the way next.

join me camilla tominey. >> this sunday when i interview one of the most significant political figures of our era, bofis political figures of our era, boris johnson. nothing will be off limits as we discuss his autobiography , unleashed and autobiography, unleashed and everything in it. >> i failed to avert megxit, but i did deliver brexit and i'm very, very happy to be on camilla tominey show. boris johnson on gb news. the people's channel johnson on gb news. the people's channel, britain's news channel that's the camilla tominey show tomorrow at 9:30 am. and again at 6 pm. >> good afternoon. the moment you've all been waiting for, 20

minutes after 5:00. this is gb news, and it's time for this week's difficult conversation. and my guest today , ben habib, and my guest today, ben habib, is a former brexit party mep and a former co—deputy leader of reform uk , having stood in the reform uk, having stood in the general election with nigel farage's party. however, in july this year he was removed from the position but of course he didn't win his seat so that would be difficult potentially. but just exactly what went on within that party. what's going on? so he's here to answer those questions. ben habib welcome. >> good afternoon. lovely to be here. nice to see you having me on. >> it's a pleasure. so we wait with bated breath. are you part of reform or are you not part of reform? okay, so that's the deal . reform? okay, so that's the deal. what's happened? >> so before i answer that, can i just say that there's no bad blood between reform and myself or the leadership of reform and myself? reform , for me, is of myself? reform, for me, is of critical importance to the country, and it's of critical importance because the ideology it holds is one, frankly, that isn't held in parliament by any

other party, which, to put it basically, is to protect, promote and create a sovereign united kingdom with strong borders that's prosperous and policies that are made which, you know, give gain that result and promote the interests of british people. you'd think that was kind of obvious. and most political parties should do it, but they don't. they stand for all sorts of things. but very rarely do you see a politician really making the case for the united kingdom. and in a sense, that's why it's so important. not in a sense. that's why it's so important that reform gets this right. and there are a couple of areas where reform and i are not completely unified, and a couple of them are ideologically based, and one of them is structurally the constitution of the party itself. >> but aren't they working to change those things? >> yeah. so let me just talk

about the constitution of the party because your your question to start with was, you know, are you still a member of the party? well, technically there's no such thing as a member of the party at the moment. you can be a subscriber to their news service, which they call membership, but it doesn't afford you a vote in any sense . afford you a vote in any sense. and so for a couple of years now, actually, i've been calling for the democratisation of the party. initially, i was doing it behind closed doors more recently, publicly, publicly tends to get, you know , more tends to get, you know, more traction in terms of results. and the party did move towards a democratisation. and zaheer yusuf made a declaration on this channel on the 22nd of august this year, which lifted my heart, in which he said that the greatest, the finest legal minds in the country were working on this day and night to produce a constitution that would democratise the party and, amongst other things, give the membership the ability to remove the leader. but sadly, when that document was published, it wasn't the document that he had

promised it would be. it doesn't really democratise the party, and i can go into detail if you like, but almost more importantly, the document wasn't a new document that had been produced by the finest legal minds in the country. working day and night. it was a document that i'd seen a couple of years ago and had been rejected. and the reason i say almost more importantly, is because that kind of declaration that, oh, we've got the finest legal minds working on this, you know, that kind of declaration should be made solemnly. it should only be made solemnly. it should only be made if you genuinely have the finest legal minds working on a document. if you haven't, if you're going to rehash a document, just say we're going to rehash a document and we're going to put forward that which we had before. >> but surely you'd work on an old existing document and then sort of then add the bits and pieces to it. i mean, you can't really as long as if they're genuinely going through to try and democratise the party they are. >> it doesn't do that. >> it doesn't do that. >> but isn't that what their aim is? and they've got time, right? the party has time, so you can't expect, i mean, just in my view, if you're expecting that. and i

do agree, all parties should be democratised. labour party, all of them. but surely you should give it time because it's like you've got at least 4 or 5 years to make sure that is the case. >> well, i think that the problem with not there are a couple of problems with not properly democratising the party. the first is that you create a single point of weakness in the party, which is the leader, which is nigel. and as much as we love nigel and he's done some terrific things, obviously, you know, one of the greatest things he did was this 20 year campaign for brexit. as much as we want, we love nigel. you can't have a single point of weakness in any organisation . weakness in any organisation. and so the process of democratisation would have produced i don't think they are democratising the party, just to be clear on that. >> but i mean , the proof of the >> but i mean, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating, but that would take time . so but that would take time. so i ask you, but the document you have given it a bit more time rather than immediately sort of just because some people might look at that and say, well, it's because you didn't win your seat, that you are doing that because you're annoyed and obviously.

well, some people would look at that and think, you know, you put a couple of tweets out there and the people think that you're annoyed because you didn't. >> well, people may be seeing me in the last 3 or 4 months making this case publicly, but as richard tice will testify and nigel will testify, i've actually been saying this privately for a couple of years , privately for a couple of years, andifs privately for a couple of years, and it's critical that they democratise the party, because if they are to become the government in 2029, you can't have a government that has run by a political party that isn't in itself held to account. of course you've got to have leadership that's held to account. that's how you keep leadership honest. that's how you keep leadership on its toes. that's how you ensure that the party continues to represent the best interests of the people of the country. and that's vital for me because so much hope, so much so many people's aspirations are now travelling on reform. so but you're right, nanait on reform. so but you're right, nana it takes time. on reform. so but you're right, nana it takes time . but they've nana it takes time. but they've done the document and that campaign that i fought is over. but there are a couple of other areas which i don't see

completely eye to eye with. nigel on, and these are important areas as well. the first is he says brexit's done and i say it hasn't. >> i don't think he thinks it's done.i >> i don't think he thinks it's done. i mean i've never heard him say this properly done. he said i think he said they've, they've done it. but they haven't, they've been, it's been done very badly. >> yeah. but i would say it's not even done because fundamentally when we voted for brexit, we voted for this democratic unit. the constitutional unit that reform stands to for, leave the eu, thatis stands to for, leave the eu, that is the unit of the united kingdom and the united kingdom includes northern ireland, and northern ireland has by any measure and anyone's assessment been left behind in the european union, we have an irish sea border. we've become the first country in history to partition ourselves without a single shot being fired. >> but that wasn't i mean, that was done by the tory party. theresa may, boris johnson, it was done badly. a lot of people would argue and i interesting bofis would argue and i interesting boris johnson claiming on

camilla's show that he's delivered brexit. >> he hasn't delivered it. and it's not just semantics here. it's important we call this right and declare brexit's not done because those of us who campaigned for brexit have a massive obligation. people like nigel and me have a huge obugafion nigel and me have a huge obligation to stay on the battlefield until we genuinely do jettison. so why the european union? >> so if that's the case, you can usually make more change if you're within an organisation rather than outside it. so surely if that's what you think, then you would stay. and i mean, you know, we can't all agree on everything and i'm sure there's lots of disagreements with keir starmer and his party. >> but this is a fundamental importance because the whole point about reform is standing up to the united kingdom. and that includes an integral part of the united kingdom is northern ireland. all right. >> well, what would you do about it? how would you fix it? >> but just more importantly, by the way, as long as that northern ireland protocol stays in place, the windsor framework, as it's called. and as long as the treaties that boris johnson

signed us up to stay in place, we are committed to net zero. we're committed to staying in the european court of convention of human rights. we're even committed to military cooperation with the european union. so what? we've got to get rid of these things. >> would you do you'd get rid of all of that? >> i would so i would, i would recognise first of all, and it's not just semantics, it's important we recognise brexit's not done. we denounce the irish sea border. we put a political arm round the shoulder of our kin in northern ireland, and we absolutely bring them back into the united kingdom. that is vital . and i would denounce the vital. and i would denounce the treaties that boris johnson signed with the european union. and they would be my first point of attack as a member of reform uk. >> i think it's harder than it sounds. you know it is. ben, these are wonderful. it's huge. i mean, this is a very ideological way. and, you know, listen, we don't want the we don't want northern ireland to be separate , separated from the be separate, separated from the rest of the united kingdom. but that's where we are now. so

that's where we are now. so that's what we have to now find a way to work with that until somebody comes up with a way of deaung somebody comes up with a way of dealing with it. >> we're all charged and disgusted by the handing over of the chagos islands to mauritius. >> now, some people think it's a great idea, but david lammy, david lammy thinks it's a good idea and i've spoken to quite a few people who think, yes, that's fair enough. >> when i say we all, i mean, i'm talking about people who, you know, care about the united kingdom. >> well, they would argue that, to be fair, they're the leaders. they're the ones who run this country. now, they would say that they do care. >> i fear for the direction of gibraltar, and i fear for the direction of the falklands. i also fear, by the way, slightly tangentially, the signals we're giving off as a country to foreign powers. we are a country that's weak. we're a country where the prime minister can't distinguish a man from a woman who takes a knee. >> well, he has actually confirmed that a woman is an aduh confirmed that a woman is an adult female, but it took him two years to be fair. >> but so the only in conclusion, reform holds the hopes and aspirations of millions of people in this

country. in its hands, it is critical that reform becomes and behaves like, and a major party, and that it stays true to the promises that it's made to the british people. and i will be completely behind it in order to make sure it delivers its promises. all right. >> well, i mean, the other political parties will probably say exactly the same thing about their party as well, and they'd be wrong. >> well, maybe. >> well, maybe. >> but like i said, everything you've just said there, you could hear it from the labour party. i could hear it from the conservative party. but but you know, it's different. well, we shall see if reform get a look in. so what is your next plan? what are you. what are you looking to do now? >> well, my plan is to campaign for brexit to the extent that we have any form of brexit. at the moment, keir starmer is trying to reverse it and i'm going to be campaigning fervently for getting northern ireland back into the union, because i know by doing that i will jettison the eu from our regulatory books , the eu from our regulatory books, get rid of military cooperation, which i think is so damaging for the united kingdom, and take back control to this country. >> and are you still a member of

reform? finally, does that mean you are or you're not? >> well, technically, as i started off this interview saying you can't, not you. i mean, i never resign my membership whether or not i was a member, i don't know , but a member, i don't know, but membership doesn't mean anything. if you have a vote. >> yes or no. »- >> yes or no. >> ben, i stand ideologically, shoulder to shoulder with a proud, independent, sovereign and prosperous united kingdom god. >> he's had more words than yes or no . it's been difficult to or no. it's been difficult to get out of here. come on, ben, are you. we're all confused. everyone wants to know. so you are still with reform? yes. as long as reform stays true to its promises. >> okay, i will stay true to reform. so. yes. yes. so. yes. >> oh, there you go. we've got it out of him in the end. ben, the people was a pleasure. thank you so much for coming in and talking to us. that is ben habib, and that's what he's doing now, you see. so there we go. we got it out of him. stay tuned. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. still to come, my great british debate this hour i'm asking, does reform uk have a future? but what do you think? you'll hear the thoughts of my

panel you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, adam brooks and norman baken panel, adam brooks and norman baker. but first let's get your latest news with katie bowen . latest news with katie bowen. >> good afternoon. it's just gone 5:30. i'm katie bowen in the gb newsroom. a major policing operation has been underway in central london today as pro—palestine protesters and counter—demonstrations marking the 7th of october attacks in israel have been taking place. tens of thousands of pro—palestine protesters have taken to the streets , with them taken to the streets, with them now gathering outside downing street with the crowd shouting shame on this government! the demonstrations are under heavy police presence, with the metropolitan police saying they have made 15 arrests so far, with one arrest on suspicion of supporting a proscribed organisation . more than 26,000 organisation. more than 26,000 small boat migrants have crossed the english channel so far this yeah the english channel so far this year. gb news can exclusively reveal, with almost half of that

total making the illegal journey since labour came to power. the figures come following reports of at least four deaths, including that of a child in the engush including that of a child in the english channel today. french media reveals that the child under the age of four was trampled to death in a boat off the coast of boulogne, in a separate incident. three other migrants lost their lives after their small boat encountered difficulties near calais. home secretary yvette cooper says she's been in touch with the french interior minister following the latest reports . following the latest reports. bofis following the latest reports. boris johnson is gearing up to release his new memoir, unleashed , in a sit down unleashed, in a sit down interview with camilla tominey. the former prime minister warned it would be a disaster if sir keir starmer tries to reverse brexit. johnson also reaffirmed his belief in brexit, claiming it's given the uk the freedom to act more decisively and do things better. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> what do you think? if we'd been norma and reeves are trying to reverse.

>> if we'd been a rules. this is the key point. if we. yeah. that's what? of course they are. now, if we'd been a rules taker. yes. in at the end of 2020, 2021, we would not have been able to authorise astrazeneca and pfizer. no no no. but you keep you keep interrupting this because it's very, very important. and that was how by march 2021, we had vaccinated 45% of the uk population , 45% of the uk population, compared to 10% of your legacy . compared to 10% of your legacy. >> well, you can watch the full hour long interview with camilla tominey here on gb news tomorrow . tominey here on gb news tomorrow. a family in lancashire say they're heartbroken after police mistakenly euthanized their xl bully dog, bruno. lancashire police admitted the error, saying bruno was put down due to an administration mistake while his owners were seeking an exemption to keep him. the force has issued an unreserved apology and vowed to change its

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>> good afternoon. this is dup news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. if you just tuned in, where have you been? 21 minutes to go. i'm nana akua. we're live now. it's time though for the great british debate this out and i'm asking, does reform uk have a future? now you just heard ben habib.

he's the former co—founder co—leader, sorry, who gave us his thoughts on on this and said that it's important for the party to stay true to its promises, but could that propel them to becoming a major party at the next general election? what do you think? gb news com forward slash your say. joining me now businessman and activist adam brooks and also former home office minister norman brennan. brennan i don't know. baker. you're a baker. he's a baker. why don't call you norman. you know brennan. he's nice. i'll start with you then. adam , start with you then. adam, because i did not. >> look, i've lost all trust in politicians, really, in this country over the last few years. the conservatives just lied to us and failed to implement what we wanted. they. they talked a good game . labour. you know, i good game. labour. you know, i think they're off with the fairies most of the time. and i think they've shown they're liars and hypocrites. reform are the nearest to my views. and in the nearest to my views. and in the pub and out and about, the people i speak to reform seem to seem to represent the most people that i interact with,

whether they're old or young. there's a lot of worry in this country about the future, and reform are hitting the right buttons and saying the right things, but we can all hit the right buttons and say the right, but we need we would need to see actions. but i'm so disillusioned with the political landscape , i would want to give landscape, i would want to give reform a chance. so i'm hoping they gather themselves together and they form an army. really, for the next election. and i'll certainly be trying to push that on my social media. >> well, you haven't mentioned the liberal democrats. >> no. who are not guilty of some of the offences which the tories and labour are guilty of. but i'm going to try and answer this question objectively. okay. not from a lib dem point of view. in to order be successful in political party in this country, you have to have a democratic membership. ben habib is quite right on that point, actually . you've also got to actually. you've also got to have the infrastructure on the ground and people to go around knocking on doors and deliver leaflets. and reform hasn't got that yet, and it's a big ask to get in that situation because they're top down. they're top down from nigel farage and not

much below. and we saw this with the sdp back in the 1980s when there was david owen and roy jenkins big influence there on the media. i mean, they crashed at the election. and let's remember reform, despite the fact that they've got a lot of coverage and a lot of support , coverage and a lot of support, perhaps they got five mps, lib dems, for example, got 72 mps. >> but then if we go with that, lib dems only got 3.5 million people voting for them, whereas reform got four. 4 million, 4.1 million. >> well, the answer is that the lib dems painfully over many, many decades, have learned how to use the political system. well, that's right, and reform haven't. well, maybe. >> but that's. but that's really not great for the nana one thing i'd like to sort of say here now is gone are the days, you know, i'm getting on as well now, but gone are the days where leaflets are really the most important thing and knocking on doors. >> social media is so powerful now , and nigel farage has got now, and nigel farage has got tens of millions of followers across numerous platforms now. reform and nigel, during the general election, i think they were the biggest hitters and

thatis were the biggest hitters and that is that is hitting home to many younger voters as well. who would have thought on tiktok that youngsters , you know, i've that youngsters, you know, i've got a 15 year old boy that says some of his older friends were talking about nigel farage and reform dad. what's this all about? and i went, where have you heard that from? he went, tiktok. people are talking about it. >> do you think that was partly itv's fault for putting him in the jungle? because they thought, look, it's fantastic. >> i said at the time that putting nigel in the jungle was for nigel was a masterstroke because it made him to human us. and people that used to say to me, oh, is he racist? is he this? is he? and i'd say no. suddenly a messaging me saying, i watched him on the jungle. he's quite a nice fella, isn't he? so look, we need to see more right leaning people on these reality shows. so we're not demonised because otherwise we're called far right. >> i think there's no more politicians going on any of those shows anymore. after what happened. >> look, i totally agree with adam that social media is very important, but don't underestimate the effect on door knocking. it makes a big

difference. and now with the tactics, with leaflets which are lib dems used to get 72 seats, it does work. people like to see their candidates out there in their candidates out there in the street, on the doorstep. they like to see that. so, you know, that is a tried and tested method. and social media has to be an adjunct to that . but the be an adjunct to that. but the real danger for reform, in my view, is being a one horse show. you know, people want to see a party which has got depth and width , breadth and reform hasn't width, breadth and reform hasn't in the same way. it's very dependent on nigel farage. >> well, what about what about the tory party? then they got rid of boris johnson. yes. and is he the better, better leader out of all of them right now? if you were to pick one and he was the fifth one going for leadership. >> well, what i would say is that boris was connects with the pubucin that boris was connects with the public in a way that the present four candidates for leadership don't connect. however, boris is a deeply flawed character in terms of aren't we all? well, not as deeply as boris, i have to say. and people haven't forgotten partygate . they forgotten partygate. they haven't forgotten the corrupt contracts issued to tory donors. they haven't forgotten all that stuff that went on when he was

prime minister, and he devalued the tory party and let's remember that at one point, something like 50 ministers resigned their office to get rid of him. >> that was a tactical ploy. i think that was because they were scared, and a lot of them were young and didn't really understand what they was trying to look after their own jobs. >> let's not let's not lie there. you know, look, boris johnson is a celebrity politician. we don't have many. nigel farage is one, boris is another. i loved boris at some points and i hated him at some points and i hated him at some points during covid. you know, i was a thorn in his side with a lot of the restrictions in hospitality. but his time is done. do you think? and i think the tory party as a brand is also done. so they have really got to do some soul searching and think, where are we going to be in 4 or 5 years time now? robert jenrick is saying some of the best things that i've heard a minister say for many years on immigration, and he knows i question whether he really did believe it. but a few mps have said to me he's had like an epiphany and he's really he quit

his job, didn't he, because he wasn't happy with it . wasn't happy with it. >> anyway, listen, stay with us because you can catch the full bofis because you can catch the full boris johnson interview with camilla tominey from 9:30 am. tomorrow. you won't want to miss that. stay with us. this is gb news coming up. my quick fire quiz . i'm news coming up. my quick fire quiz. i'm going to be testing the panel on of the stories that caught their eye this week. don't go

all. right. but first, before we get stuck into my quickfire quiz, it's time for clickbait. is this real? take a look. what do you think? it's about the size of a human hanging upside down. let's ask my panel. adam brooks and norman baker. norman baken brooks and norman baker. norman baker, is that real? >> i want to go for a flying fox. >> it's a flying fox. he thinks it is. >> i don't know what it is. and ihopeifs >> i don't know what it is. and i hope it's not real, because i'd be horrified if ever i see one. >> it's actually. it is a bat. it's a bat. and this is an enormous endangered bat that was

spotted in the philippines. it's called the golden crowned flying fox. there you go. that has a wingspan of about six feet. that does actually exist. look at that. hanging from someone's roof. you can check this out if you go to gb news. com you can have a look at the website, pick up all the programs or even check us out on the app and have a look at my show. you'll see a hanging bat upside down the size of, well, the size of us right now. it's time for the quick fire quiz. the part of the show where i test my panel on some of the other stories hitting the headunes the other stories hitting the headlines right now. joining me, businessman and activist adam brookes. your buzzer please. adam. and also former home office minister norman baker. your buzzer norman. right. and please play along at home. question one. the four contenders to be the next leader of the conservatives each made their pitch to members of the party conference in birmingham. but which of them received the longest standing ovation? was it a kemi badenoch b james cleverly c tom tugendhat or d robert jenrick. norman. norman baker. james cleverly robert jenrick. you didn't press the buzzer.

whatever you say. robert jenrick . whatever you say. robert jenrick. the answer is, of course, james cleverly he did. indeed. people loved his speech, and in fact, some people think that he could potentially have won it on that. question two true or false? 1 in 50 albanian people living in the uk end up in prison. true. adam brooks. it's true. norman b true. it's true. he says it is. it is true. but you could have tried false just in case he was wrong. yes. 1 in 50 albanian people living in the uk end up in prison, right? closest answer wins. how much money did sir keir starmer give back this week? i have started, so i'm finished to cover the cost of taylor swift tickets and his designer clothing that he was previously gifted. >> 6000, 6000, 6000. >> the answer is it was £6,000. a lot of money to most of us, adam, i think. i don't think norman can win now. have you won three already?

>> i got the first one right. oh, it's two one. >> it's two one. it's not over. all right, so yes or no? don't you dare. yes or no? someone's made that up. right. hugh grant said that the next bridget jones film is very, very happy. no, adam brooks, i don't like hugh grant. >> yes. >> yes. >> are you saying yes? no one says no. oh, there you are. no. unfortunately , you answered unfortunately, you answered before you press your buzzer. i won't be cruel. i'll take it. this time. okay. because it's a tie and this is a tie break question. so i prefer that. yeah. so he said that the film, which is due to come out in on valentine's day next year, will be a very different tone as well as being extremely funny, it will be very , very sad. oh, will be very, very sad. oh, right. this is an open question. your final question. what did preston striker get a £15,000 fine for during the football game this week ? game this week? >> norman baker being rude to the referee adam brooks swearing the referee adam brooks swearing the answer is no . the answer is no. >> biting a defender during a football match. yeah . oh, god. football match. yeah. oh, god.

we would never have guessed it. why would you do that? why would you do that? that's just terrible, isn't it? it's a bit mike tyson esque. well, listen, let's see now listen throughout the show. so the answer is it's a tie. it's a tie. >> guys we have to come back on and do it again. >> extra time a rematch. >> extra time a rematch. >> well listen, throughout the show i've been asking, is rachel reeves right to cut foreign aid? well, according to our twitter poll, 95% of you. yes, almost a clean sweep. 95% of you said yes . clean sweep. 95% of you said yes. 5% of you said no. i asked my panel 5% of you said no. i asked my panel, what do you think? >> should she cut the foreign aid? i said, yes and by even more. >> and i said she should reform how how she gives it out to make sure it gets to the right people. >> well, that would be interesting. perhaps you could give it to themselves, to them directly. in that way, she can make sure that she does it properly, you know. well, listen, i've got to say a huge thank you to my panel. businessman and activist , adam businessman and activist, adam brooks, thank you very much, adam. and also former home office minister norman baker. norman, thank you very much. not

norman, thank you very much. not norman brennan, not norman brennan. >> he's a nice man, norman. >> he's a nice man, norman. >> but totally different from you, though. totally different from you. and also a huge thank you to you at home for your company. i look forward to seeing you tomorrow. same time, same place, 3:00. be there or be square. don't forget as well you can catch up on the programme live on youtube or download the gb news app where you can see all the programmes we have for complete. they're absolutely totally free. yes, you heard it here. all right. thank you so much. i look forward to seeing you tomorrow. same time, same place. the saturday five is up next. do not go anywhere and make sure you stay tuned for that interview with camilla tominey and boris johnson tomorrow i'll leave you with the weather. take care . weather. take care. >> ooh , a chilly start will give >> ooh, a chilly start will give way to a lovely warm afternoon. boxt heat pumps sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good afternoon and welcome to your gb news. weather update from the met office. looking ahead into sunday it's going to

be turning cloudier with spells of rain and then showery as we go into the new week , but go into the new week, but largely settled conditions out there through this afternoon as high pressure is situated towards the east, further towards the east, further towards the east, further towards the west, low pressure and frontal systems across northern ireland that bringing some heavy spells of rain towards the west, but also across the west country. this evening some heavy spells of rain across devon and cornwall as that moves its way towards the north and east, generally fizzling out as it does so, but bringing increasing amounts of cloud across the uk. there may be some clear spells to see the northern lights towards the north, but otherwise temperatures generally mild at around 10 or 11 degrees. now, as we go through sunday morning, some clear skies to start the day , especially across northern day, especially across northern parts of scotland . so here a parts of scotland. so here a bright start to the morning. further towards the west. largely cloudy with outbreaks of rain and across northern ireland some patchy outbreaks of rain that could be quite heavy at times. cloudy conditions across the northwest of england, but

the northwest of england, but the best of the sunshine will really be focused across east anglia as we start sunday morning, but it won't too last long as the cloud will increase from the west , long as the cloud will increase from the west, bringing in some outbreaks of rain and drizzle across much of the country through sunday morning and into the afternoon. further towards the afternoon. further towards the west, we have a heavy band of thundery, showery rain pushing across northern ireland into south wales and the west country too, but generally temperatures still holding up at around 17 or 18 degrees, so similar to today , but perhaps similar to today, but perhaps just a bit of a different feel given the cloudier conditions. now, as we go through sunday evening, that band of rain will continue to push its way north and eastwards, affecting much of northern england. but as we go into monday, tuesday and wednesday, it really is a case of sunny spells and scattered showers with highs of 17 to 18 degrees by who? >> a chilly start will give way to a lovely warm afternoon. boxt heat pumps

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