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welcome to the saturday five. well, my friends, it's another week . and once again, labour week. and once again, labour politicians can't seem to tell right from wrong or a brothel from a bakery. we've got here the newest council leader of that council, a labour council. brent carter , acknowledging his brent carter, acknowledging his big mistake. and no, it wasn't backing jeremy corbyn or the most public fall from grace since the titanic. sir keir starmer apparently nine years ago, he wandered into a local brothel and only then realised he wasn't at the post office. i mean, come on mate. were you expecting a check from lord alli or just a good expecting a check from lord alli orjust a good time? be honest, but that's labour for you, right? dodging reality. just like sir keir starmer in brussels this week, he's come up with the new term irregular migration. irregular. what's that mate? people coming over and polka dot dinghies has cath kidston launched a new range? he thinks we're thick. he's taking

me for mugs. we know it. for what? it is. illegal migration. they must think that we're still lost in that brothel with mr carter. and speaking of names, our own adam cherry . carter. and speaking of names, our own adam cherry. he's got a surname. that sounds a little bit something like. it's come out of that brothels act list. but he joins us here today and here to defend the indefensible. tonight is our very own woke joke. kai wilshaw, a man so woke that nest cafe have actually asked for his body to be preserved for medical research to find out how he manages to go without a cape. and on the subject of loss, this week marks, of course, when the sun finally sets on the british empire and sir keir has sold the chagos islands to lord alli. sorry, i mean china. oh, no. wrong again. i mean mauritius, i got there in the end , but here got there in the end, but here @gbnews we've decided to send doctor renee on a grand tour of the remaining overseas territories before sir keir sells them all off, just to make

sure that their light never dims thanks to her glowing radiance and finally ensuring that the sniping, moaning and backstabbing isn't just reserved for the final round of the conservative party leadership election. we've got younis sadaghiani ready to push adam from his chair and capture the hearts of britain's women . and hearts of britain's women. and the nearest mirror. you know, the nearest mirror. you know, the drill. each host outlines their argument about a chosen topic. then we all pile in. and of course, we want to know your views as well. send your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay . and visiting gbnews.com/yoursay. and don't forget to get your questions in for ask the five. no topic off limits. but before we start tearing each other apart, it's your saturday night news with katie bowen . news with katie bowen. >> darren, thank you very much and good evening. it's just gone 6:00. i'm katie bowen in the gb newsroom. some breaking news

this evening. a two year old boy, a woman and two men have died in two separate tragedies involving two overcrowded boats off the coast of france. french authorities have now confirmed it comes as gb news can exclusively reveal that more than 26,000 small boat migrants have crossed the english channel so far this year, with almost half of that total making the illegal journey since labour came to power. french media reported that the child who died was trampled to death in a boat off the coast of boulogne . home off the coast of boulogne. home secretary yvette cooper says she has been in touch with the french interior minister to increase cooperation in dismantling criminal gangs, who undermine border security . a undermine border security. a major policing operation took place in central london earlier today as pro—palestine protests and counter—demonstrations, both marking the 7th of october attacks in israel, took place. tens of thousands of pro—palestine protesters have taken to the streets with them,

gathering outside downing street and shouting shame on this government! the demonstrations are under heavy police presence, with the metropolitan police saying they have so far made 15 arrests, with one arrest on suspicion of supporting a proscribed organisation . british proscribed organisation. british nationals are still fleeing lebanon, with a final flight set for sunday amid the escalating conflict across the region. over 250 britons have already evacuated back to the uk on government chartered flights, and the foreign secretary, david lammy, is warning others to register now as future flights aren't guaranteed. it comes as israel intensifies its airstrikes hitting beirut and hezbollah targets , while hezbollah targets, while hezbollah targets, while hezbollah fired 100 rockets. in response, lebanese security forces are now also reporting to reuters news agency that hezbollah's anticipated new leader has been unreachable since friday. meanwhile, the uk has sent £10 million in aid to

lebanon and troops are now stationed in cyprus in case of an emergency. military led evacuation . sir keir starmer is evacuation. sir keir starmer is urging all remaining british nationals to in lebanon to leave immediately . boris johnson is immediately. boris johnson is geanng immediately. boris johnson is gearing up to release his new memoir, unleashed, in a sit down interview with camilla tominey, the former prime minister warned it would be a disaster if sir keir starmer tries to reverse brexit. johnson also reaffirmed his belief in brexit, claiming it has given the uk the freedom to act more decisively and do things better. let's take a listen to what he had to say . listen to what he had to say. >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> if we'd been norma and reeves are trying to reverse. >> so if we'd been a rules, this is the key point. if we that's what of course they are. now, if we'd been a rules taker. yes. in at the end of 2020, 2021, we would not have been able to authorise astrazeneca and pfizer. no no no. but you keep

you keep interrupting this because it's very, very important . and that was how by important. and that was how by march 2021, we had vaccinated 45% of the uk population, compared to 10%. >> part of your legacy . >> part of your legacy. >> part of your legacy. >> well, you can watch the full hour long interview with camilla tominey here on gb news tomorrow morning at 930. and finally tonight, the northern lights could soon put on a dazzling display across the uk. recent solar flares are expected to make the aurora borealis visible, with the best chances in scotland. northern ireland and northern england. saturday night has the greatest likelihood of sightings, especially later on between 11 pm. and midnight. experts advise finding dark skies and looking to north maximise your chances as intense solar activity could push the lights further south. those are your

latest gb news headlines for now. i'm katie bowen . now. i'm katie bowen. >> more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign up to news smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com . forward or go to gbnews.com. forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> my friends, it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for a very lively show. dick has just messaged in and dick says it's a wonder darren remembers anything from the party conferences. he looked pickled at the gb news party and that was put on for the tories. >> so you can only answer. >> so you can only answer. >> i can only answer that. i was live on adam. adam on patrick christys show. so they got to see first hand me with a massive gin and tonic. see first hand me with a massive gin and tonic . and yes, i was gin and tonic. and yes, i was rather. but i do remember the substance of the conferences, i promise you that. anyway, who's going to go first?

>> i'll go first, darren. why not? >> i'm actually going to start with a bit of a lucky me moment. just bear with me. just roll with it. because i've just come back from a massive two week houday back from a massive two week holiday where i didn't pay attention to the news at all. i was completely out of the loop. and before i left, what was at the top of the headlines? freebie gate. now, i'm sure you know all about this by now, right? lord alli is £18 million penthouse cash for access , penthouse cash for access, frocks for mr starmer and fancy spectacles and suits for the prime minister himself. we know all this. i thought by the time i came back , downing street i came back, downing street would have at least thought of some line on this that would make it less relevant to the day to day news agenda. actually, it's somehow gotten worse. what are downing street playing at here? right. where's the comms strategy? even if you ignore the alleged impropriety , which will alleged impropriety, which will take some doing, i'm sure we'll talk about that in a minute. even if you do, this is a complete disaster class in communications from number 10. where are we now? well, now the

prime minister is paying back £6,000 of taylor swift tickets. as if that's even a drop in the ocean compared to what he's claimed. but the biggest problem with it is it doesn't actually address the fundamental issue here that people have with this whole scandal. the people the reason people don't like this is because it reeks of hypocrisy. it reeks of cash for access. this is what we were promised wouldn't happen with this government. and now what happens? well, unfortunately, if you're not the prime minister, you're not the prime minister, you can keep all of your freebies, but you're just on a moral. you're on an inferior moral. you're on an inferior moral plane to him. he has to give his back. you have to make the choice for yourself. so i just think as a comms strategy, i've never seen anything like it. and we're only three months in to the day, if you can believe it. >> well, i think you're absolutely right. and the problem is it's, you know, it's not the fact politicians have been getting given these things for us all the time. i mean, i used to work in westminster and i would be given i went to see ariana grande, for example. now i don't have to declare that,

but i've never had an issue with politicians being given these things . i politicians being given these things. i have a problem with the fact that they undid a sitting, democratically elected prime minister on the grounds of sleaze. they said that this man was corrupt, more bent than a nine bob note and all these other things. and then they get into office and within weeks we hear that they are at the trough, noses fully ensconced within the silver bowl. and i just can't get over that . and i just can't get over that. and i think that's where people are at on this. so given back six grand. oh, you know , that's grand. oh, you know, that's that's nowt compared to what he's actually been given ultimately. >> yeah. and i think actually everything you've said is right. but it's actually even one step further than that because they stood on an election manifesto of we are going to be the party of we are going to be the party of service, we are going to be squeaky clean . the sleaze is squeaky clean. the sleaze is gone and the sleaze is far from gone. but now they're showing us by giving back six grand that actually they're doing it

begrudgingly, because six grand has been squeaked out of them. and where will it end? they should have either given back nothing and stood on their by what they had done, or they should have given back all of it. >> yes, exactly. and i think it's crony capitalism at its finest, because all these career politicians like keir starmer, they promised that, oh , we're they promised that, oh, we're they promised that, oh, we're the party of the working class, but they're not the party of the working class anymore. and they've literally lied to people to just get into power. and i called them champagne socialists . called them champagne socialists. so that's why i always say, you know, they criticise people like nigel farage and donald trump and called them corrupt. but these people that have money and they enter politics afterwards , they enter politics afterwards, they're less corruptible than they're less corruptible than the career politicians. and that's why i always vote for populist. >> someone messages in adam, very bemused by the fact that i went to see ariana grande. >> oh, i wasn't surprised at all. i know shocking things have been said on this test. >> isn't it? yeah. >> isn't it? yeah. >> adam, do you know what gets me? i don't think, actually, that it's crony capitalism. although i do have lots of reservations about crony

capitalism in this country. but i would actually argue that this is the archetypal sort of the stereotype of a socialist politician that drags up the ladder behind them . they say, ladder behind them. they say, oh, we're going to change the rules. we're going to tighten the rules. you know, we've had all these trinkets, but we're going to tighten the rules, make people declare this stuff. well, you already have to declare it. that's how we know about it anyway. >> well, keir starmer declared much more than we've seen recent tory leadership hopefuls and tory leadership hopefuls and tory prime ministers do. >> i think this is a complete storm in a teacup. and panels like this, how much are still having us having still having this discussion, which works on which parts of it? >> £6,000. because i'm sorry to interrupt, but i just think the point about the tickets. yeah, fine. that is a storm in a teacup. but the cash for access, that's the point about that's the that's the that's the that's the that's the that's the that's the biggest joke that i've heard today. >> because because. >> because because. >> no, no, the football tickets is not it's not it's not just tickets because they're actually being paid for by people who

have an interest in whatever decision keir makes about the football rules coming forward in the fa. >> but that's happening across all parties. but i think what really annoyed me here is this cash for access idea, this idea that keir starmer accepting donations from a peer of the realm who has been in the house of lords and who actually, unlike so many of the tory shoo ins that we've seen in recent years, actually contributes, he's voted a thousand times since he was put in the house of lords by tony blair. it's not cash for access. if you're sitting in the house of lords passing legislation, why do you have daniel hagari ridiculous. >> exactly. did he or did he not get access to number 10 downing street? >> he had access already to the prime minister. he was a close confidant, but he was a close confidant, but he was a close confidant of the now prime minister himself. >> did he already have access to number 10? i don't think that's new. >> yes, he had access. he had access well before. no he didn't. >> but the question is, is what when the tories were in power? >> of course not. boris johnson, he's a labour peer.

>> yes. so why did he get a pass as soon as sir keir starmer was made? >> because his party was now in power, he was a confidant in the campaign, not all of them. as as has happened. >> i think the question here is, is keir starmer corruptible? and i think he is. i think he's a globalist puppet and he is corruptible for and , you know, corruptible for and, you know, he has all these donors and he does favours for them. i'll tell you, the problem is our politicians shouldn't be corruptible. >> that is what she says. >> that is what she says. >> she's just been given a pass to number 10 down. exactly. >> there are hundreds of labour peers. >> there is only one of them. now you're gonna have to dole them out this week. >> i was in cardigan in deepest west wales, right on the welsh version of question time. it was brilliant. and i'll tell you now, not one person really gave a about this freebie game. they care about badger culling. they care about badger culling. they care about badger culling. they care about the state of their high street. they care about a whole range of issues that are being ignored because the right wing press and we're doing this right now, are focusing on this non—issue. right. >> it's like the daily mirror, like the guardian, you know, all these right wing tomes. yeah. >> do you think nigel farage

would have got away with this on this? >> because richard says starmer took boris to task for accepting a loan from a conservative peer. it was lord brownlow. yeah. a 200 zero zero £0 renovation, a hypocrite, a hypocrite. i would rather have covid ten covid historic building renovated than keir starmer's savile row garb. >> 1717 party treasurers of the tory party being elevated to the house of lords. we are, we are talking about. this is a different scale of sleaze that we've seen now. >> it's the scale, the sleaze , >> it's the scale, the sleaze, it's scale. >> yeah, well, we'll leave that one there. we'll let the viewers decide right who's going to go next. >> it's going to be me. next. >> it's going to be me . oh, >> it's going to be me. oh, okay. so trouble assisted dying is back on the political political agenda this week because keir starmer wants to keep a promise to a sadly terminally ill celebrity, esther rantzen. i would much rather that legislation was made for the right reason than to keep a promise to a celebrity, but having said that, i am

conflicted on this subject. so of course there's one who has fought hard for bodily autonomy, and i really do think that should be the one thing that we always have in our control. i would like to know that i have the right to die when and how i see fit. but having said that, as a doctor, i have seen enough every day to have severe worries about any legislation that actually makes makes it legal for somebody to die or somebody to help them to die. and i worry about the ability of such legislation to have safeguards in it that would assuage my fears. i know only too well that the elderly often feel like they're a burden on their loved ones, and a burden on their state, and they feel it's their duty to shuffle off this mortal coil. and i think when a relative stands to inherit a house, a bank balance, a jewellery box, we can actually translate assisted dying into assisted inheritance. i refer to

mary harrington this week, where she made the superb observation that for countries that have an inverted pyramid of population assisted dying will actually have to happen. that means countries where we have too many old people and not enough babies being born, which is ours, then we need to look only overseas at canada, where we've seen recently, a paralympian asked for a stair lift to be installed in her house, and it was suggested to her that perhaps she should consider euthanizing herself. then we look to the netherlands, where people often say, oh, it works so well in the netherlands, a 29 year old healthy body girl has just been given the right to die because of her mental anguish. she has autism, but she is high functioning. mark my words , this functioning. mark my words, this is just the beginning of taking us to a very dark place that is possibly going to just be population control . population control. >> i agree, so i agree. i feel

like this whole euthanasia argument is that i had a position where i thought that maybe if some people are really ill and they are really old and you know, they're in pain, then they should give them euthanasia. but then, as you said, it's going to be taken out of context. we're going to have teenagers saying, oh, i feel depressed. i want to kill myself, or oh, i've got cancer, or i've got whatever. so i'm not in favour of this bill at all. and as you said, it is population control because we have people like bill gates coming and saying, oh , we need coming and saying, oh, we need to reduce the population of earth to 4 billion people. and i disagree with that. i feel like the world is not underpopulated. sorry. the world is not overpopulated. it is underpopulated . and i think we underpopulated. and i think we have the resources, especially if we want to go to other planets such as mars in the near future. we need to populate and we have countries like japan now where they're in freefall in terms of birth rates, the higher the gdp goes and the gdp they have introduced assisted dying laws in japan as well. >> exactly. i think the issue is people can kill themselves. now, it may not be legal and i'm not encouraging anyone to do it, but if people want to do it , they

if people want to do it, they will. we also know that doctors actually can give people morphine to ease their pain, knowing that the doses they're reaching might be too much. >> well, a few points, because one of our viewers says, i thought stopping winter fuel payments was a form of assisted dying, susan says, i trust the united kingdom will not go the same way as canada. just briefly, renee, do you have confidence in that? look, i don't have confidence. >> we have an nhs that's on its knees. it would make the nhs waiting list disappear in parts if they could actually help people shuffle off. i don't have that confidence. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it's a one woman. who. kyle. i'll put this to you. one woman in canada shared how hospital staff kept pushing. maid so assisted , dying on her 91 year assisted, dying on her 91 year old mother. her mother went in for gallstone surgery and instead of doing just the surgery, the doctors tried to sign her up for assisted dying, even after discovering it was just a bladder infection, they still pushed for it. she says that they pushed for it three times over the course of her treatment, and that ought to be a warning sign to britain. do

you have reservations about this, or do you full throatedly support it? no, absolutely. >> i mean, i think the canada example is a good reason not to be tribal on this. and people aren't tribal on this because the fact is, people know maybe a loved person, somebody who's gone through a similar type of anguish at the end of their life and not been able to die in dignity at a time of their choosing. that's why actually, as well as the esther rantzen support for this and the sort of lobbying that we've seen, including on the channel 200,000 people earlier this year signed a petition that took it to parliament. so it's a deeply personal issue myself. one of my grandparents died from motor neurone, which is such a debilitating illness , and she debilitating illness, and she was a former presenter, singer and actress. and she lost her voice. so things like that really make you second guess the system we have now. but the canada situation, i must say, where 4% of all deaths are assisted by doctors and we've seen them push back . now, seen them push back. now, luckily, the provision to allow

people to choose assisted dying based on their mental health conditions. i mean, i really think that is a cautionary tale. and so it needs to be legislated properly and over time. and with real care. >> all right, adam, we haven't got time to bring you in, but we are going to be talking about it again at the top of the next houn again at the top of the next hour. we've got a guest coming on who does support it, a member of parliament who'll be discussing why he does . susan discussing why he does. susan says stop scaremongering. i want to choose. i don't have children. susan, your case will be made by an mp who will be on in the next hour. i personally am deeply sceptical about it, but that's just my view. we are the home of free speech, right? still to come, eunice is going to give his $0.02 on the middle east conflict and all of those on our streets. can we actually have peace whilst the islamic state exists , the iranian state exists, the iranian islamic state. but next i'm going to tell you why. as party conference season draws to a close, there ain't no party like a reform party. i've still got the hangover. you're with the

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gb news. right. welcome back to the saturday five. thank you very much for your messages coming in thick and fast. we'll get to some of those shortly. now though, it's time for this and i am going to go next. i've just come back from two party conferences this season . you can conferences this season. you can guess which one i didn't go to, but it was once said that politics is showbiz for ugly people. and let me tell you, whoever said that was absolutely bang on. if you're a beauty pageant, westminster ain't the place for you. but as i knocked back the booze, gaza style, like a fishing rod waiting for raoul moat to turn up, i was struck by the energy and raw grit of the folks at reform's party conference. and i mean this with all of my heart. it was a sea of

ordinary people, not a single corporate lobbyist in sight. there were no big sponsors or professional back slappers trying to sell us the next green revolution. while cashing in behind the scenes. ed miliband, that's more than i can say for the other lot. the uni party gatherings were stuffed full of the usual suspects, but this well, this was real people power. and i loved every minute of it. with a pint in hand from 11 am. now over at the conservative party conference, they were rolling out promises like sweets at halloween , leave like sweets at halloween, leave the echr slash foreign aid, take down identity politics, cut migration , and even throw out migration, and even throw out the outrageous idea that all cultures are equally valid. one that the bbc took great exception to. does that sound familiar to you at home though?

well, i wonder if it does , my well, i wonder if it does, my friends. that might be because they were clicking copy and paste from the reform party manifesto. this all got me thinking . why bother with the thinking. why bother with the carbon copy when the real deal is already here? reform are already delivering with a fraction of the budget, fewer activists, fewer bases around the country , but far more in the the country, but far more in the way of heart. they're actually winning local election seats like martin in blackpool, where they just ousted labour with nearly 39% of the vote. my friends, people are waking up and the reform party is the answer. so let us say this loud and clear i'm not convinced by any of the tory hopefuls, and i'm not convinced that they can win back the so—called red wall with a few sound bites on a birmingham stage . but britain birmingham stage. but britain needs reform, and there are signs really evident. it's ready to vote for it .

signs really evident. it's ready to vote for it. i'm assured signs really evident. it's ready to vote for it . i'm assured that to vote for it. i'm assured that you agree with me. you know what? >> i've been nodding away because what's obvious is that there is a groundswell of support that we've seen for reform. i won't be doing that. as you know, i'm a paid up labour party member, didn't get to go to conference. actually haven't been to labour conference. i've been to tory conference. i've been to tory conference as part of my job previously. but anyway, i think the problem they have now is translating that groundswell movement into exactly as you say , movement into exactly as you say, seats in the elections that are coming up, local elections next yean coming up, local elections next year, the senate elections in 2026, actually, where there have been ukip members previously until very recently . but the until very recently. but the problem that they have in doing thatis problem that they have in doing that is they need a really slick, organised campaign, the like of which that labour famously used to have really strong grassroots across each constituency. and that is difficult. and they need to make sure that each of those candidates are serious or on message, know their stuff well . message, know their stuff well. still sticking to exactly what

reform voters want to hear , and reform voters want to hear, and that's going to be difficult. that's the point. >> i want to put that to adam, because you follow this every single day as part of your job. but do you think do you trust that reform won't end up like ukip? and what i mean by that is factionalism arguing with each other? yeah, i think so. >> i mean, the whole point of bringing on zaheer yousaf as the chairman is really to manage a lot of this , manage the lot of this, manage the discipline of the party fundraising. the basically he's ceo of reform inc, if you like. and that's the point of his job. but you're right. yeah they need to do they need to do really well in these locals to prove they've maintained that momentum. i think they will. i mean, you know, i do think the energy is there. the conference reflects that. yeah , time will reflects that. yeah, time will tell. but ultimately the problem is does just keep the right fractured. and they're they're therefore under first past the post actually keep labour in power. but i'm not commenting on you know what i think which fine whatever. that's just the reality of the first past the post system, isn't it really?

>> yes it is, it is. and i think that system is outdated and needs to go as well to be honest. but the question i was going to put to you, renee, is i don't think and i focus particularly on the red wall, because obviously it's a part of the country that i know pretty well. but i was actually of the view. i am of the view that the tories can't easily win back there, because people feel fundamentally betrayed. they went out and some of them, for the very first time, many of them for the very first time, voted conservative in 2019. now they felt they feel, i think, justifiably so utterly betrayed. and i don't think that's easily won back. >> so i think there's a double thing going on here because i don't think that is going to be easily won back for the tories. but i also think the red wall seats that labour won, they won purely because of anger on the tories. and if these people see in their constituencies a groundswell for reform, i think reform will pick up those red wall seats and then it starts to change. >> yeah, and reform finished

second on many of the red wall seats. and unfortunately, as you said, we have a first past the post system in which reform had 4 million votes and they only got five seats, whereas they should get 150 seats. you know, and this is not okay for democracy. >> very briefly, stephen pound, the former labour mp, he says that actually labour should be more alive to the reform threat . more alive to the reform threat. would you accept that or do you think actually they ain't ever going to be challenges to. >> well, i think that's what yeah, that's what we'll see. now because i think the tory party are too toxic and they will be for a few years now. the problem that there is now is there's an enthusiasm gap where reform voters are actually like 67% have a favourable view of reform as a party. it's unheard of even after the labour landslide. only 35% of labour voters think the same. so actually now labour need to catch up or will discuss more of that later on because coming up, you're going to be discussing whether the tories are really to blame for letting go of those islands that sir keir starmer has just handed over. >> oven >> was it all a cleverly see what i did there thought out

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gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for all of your messages. we've had a flurry of them, to be perfectly honest. but on the question of assisted dying and we're going to get back on to that a little bit later. but robert said, darren, i was diagnosed with bowel and liver cancer 13 years ago, and i was given a 5% chance of survival if they brought in assisted dying, i probably would not be here right now. but after many

operations and treatment, i've been clear for eight years. the system now that makes people comfortable when in the last stages of life is all that is needed. but we should make that better. we need to certainly make that better, but, robert, i'm delighted you're alive and i'm delighted you're alive and i'm delighted you're alive and i'm delighted that you are a fan of the show. now it's time for our next debate. it's me . our next debate. it's me. >> yeah. so is this the end for the islamic republic of iran? because for 46 years now, there have been terrorising iranian people. they have been terrorising the region by supporting terrorist groups such as hamas, hezbollah and houthis. iran is an absolute gold mine . iran is an absolute gold mine. and in 1979, we had a revolution. we have to keep it real. it was president carter, the british and the french that were behind that revolution. they wanted to bring down the price of oil. however, soon after they realised they made a huge mistake. and for 46 years now, we've been having instability in the middle east instability in the middle east in which iranians themselves

have paid the biggest price more than 10 million iranians have fled iran because of the islamic republic. iran is absolutely beautiful, so there should be no reason for to us immigrate. and i really hope israel, idf and mossad can finish what they started. i call it de—escalation through escalation. they need to win this war and i salute people like netanyahu because he knows exactly what is happening. as i said, there will never be peace in the middle east as long as the islamic republic of iran exists. okay, so it's in the world's interest that we cut off the head of the snake. if israel doesn't win this war, which i believe is the front line of democracy, soon we will have this war in europe and in america. so we have to cut off the head of the snake, and we shall destroy the islamic republic. and what i would do is i would strike their nuclear facilities and their army bases.

israel has had to go ahead, and israel has had to go ahead, and ihope israel has had to go ahead, and i hope they resume what they started with the support of the united states of america. >> well, they haven't, though, have they? had the go ahead because biden said no. >> but president trump said yes. >> but president trump said yes. >> exactly. and that's why i will be voting trump 2024. >> but but why us? why should people in the united kingdom care? what would your message be to those at home who might be saying, oh, i forgot, i'm going for a cup of tea? >> okay, so look in 1979, what happenedin >> okay, so look in 1979, what happened in my country is that we had a bunch of islamists and a bunch of neo marxists, liberal types. they colluded and they collaborated together. they collaborated together. they collaborated together. they collaborated together and they caused a revolution against the shah, which was a capitalist and more of a libertarian right. and what that led to is that when the islamists and the marxists collaborated to cause a revolution, once the islamists came into power, they killed all the marxists and the communists, and they basically double crossed the americans and the british and the french. so if you don't think it can happen to you, it can, because i see a rise in woke mentality and

liberal, and i also see a rise in islamists in the uk. >> so your view is israel is the vanguard, it's the vanguard front exactly. >> of this debate 100%. and they should be allowed to win this war, this idea that, oh, there should be a ceasefire. yeah, there should be a ceasefire once there should be a ceasefire once the war is finished. as i said, de—escalation through escalation. >> we need to realise that these people, it doesn't just we're not just talking about hamas, we're talking about hezbollah. we're talking about the islamic state. absolutely detest anyone that isn't one of them, even in their own countries. and, you know, on their own land. so they have said quite clearly that their intention is to wipe the jews off the earth. and when they're finished with the jews, they're finished with the jews, they're coming for you and me, and they don't care who you are. they wouldn't care about you, younis. they wouldn't see you as one of them. you'd go to. so israel is doing our dirty work, and we should actually stand shoulder to shoulder with israel. the only democratic country in the middle east, and support them. >> adam, what i would say is, is that when people say and they do say this, when people at home say, why should we care about israel, why should we? we've got

issues at home, and i don't doubt that for a second. my word have we got issues at home. but when we've got people on the streets and eunice is going to play streets and eunice is going to play a clip later on when we've got people on the streets saying that hamas are freedom fighters and that hamas ought to be able to finish these people off. and by these people, by the way, they mean jews. then we already have this problem in britain. we brought it here. >> yeah. i was just astonishing on that. we'll talk about the protests later. but i saw on instagram today, a one year later celebration of october the 7th, which is happening in, in london, you know, happening today and tomorrow. it's just unbelievable. and this is all downstream of that. >> never forget more people died. more jewish people died in october. the seventh than than any other time since the holocaust. yeah. >> and they're the ones that kill people indiscriminately because they say, oh, it's israel that kills people indiscriminately, but it's not actually true. the other side uses human shields, and with hezbollah, with the whole page thing, it couldn't be more precise. so i wonder what you think about that.

>> well, we talk about the region, right. but one of the tragedies here actually is before the war, israel was normalising relations with a slew of arab countries in the abraham accords signed by trump, which is actually, i hand it to him. what an incredible thing to have been on the cusp of signing normalisation agreements with saudi arabia even before iran took this quite calculated move through its proxies, the houthis, the hamas and hezbollah, and now precipitating what looks like an all out war. my what looks like an all out war. my question is , is it going to my question is, is it going to be israel? who is our salvation? or actually the iranian people? because from september 22nd onwards, we saw the mahsa amini protests based on the death of a woman in captivity , in police, woman in captivity, in police, in a police cell and actually the uprising that we saw, the bravery of footballers that we saw. i think if we see that again and the iranian people rise up, it will be the final nail in the coffin. >> so just one last comment i

want to add to this. in order for islamic republic of iran to fall, we need three different factors. we need international support, which will be israel, america, uk strategically targeting the heads of state and striking the nuclear facilities quite well. yeah, exactly. and then we need to combine that with the fact that we need another uprising like the one you said with mahsa amini, because i feel like two years ago there was a huge uprising in iran, but we didn't have international support. so they kind of killed their own civilian, threw people in jail, and then it died down. and three. we need a strong opposition to the islamic republic, so someone can needs to be there to come and be able to be there to come and be able to take power. and they talk about shahzada dawood pahlavi, but also like i would like to help in some way, shape or form to be part of that opposition. >> eunice, what do you make of the dynamic of all of the gulf states who are much more powerful than the likes of, well, the lebanese hezbollah and certainly hamas? they're all saying nothing to say no, no, no, no, no, no. >> they're saying, look, look at nasty israel. >> yeah. no, i actually disagree with that because mohammed bin

salman is actually a very smart quy- salman is actually a very smart guy. he has he has introduced a lot of reforms in saudi arabia where women can sing. they have concerts now, extremely liberated. and all the emiratis like the dubai, the guitar, even the guitar, like they sponsor terrorists. but they're all trying to become like a block, like the european union block. and they're very forward thinking. just go and look at what they've done in dubai. they are. >> so on that note, i think you make a really interesting point. actually. women everywhere in the west should be very, very worried about this because if you look across any country, lebanon, you know, palestine, all of those countries, iran, women used to be as free as i am today to wear a bikini in the street. if i want to . street. if i want to. >> and now they're covered head to toe, and if you don't, they'll kill you right now. >> still to come tonight, folks. and that's the point kemi badenoch made about certain cultures not being compatible. controversial, apparently . now controversial, apparently. now we're going to be debating assisted dying with a member of parliament who wants it to be legalised, along with a bunch of five and the saturday scrap. but next she's going to be

discussing whether or not the tories are to blame for letting go of the chagos islands. was it all a cleverly thought out plan? you're with the saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your messages about tonight's topics. one viewer has written in and says appeasement has failed with iran. they were offered exceptional rewards for peace and they chose missiles, terrorism and nuclear weapons . terrorism and nuclear weapons. israel know what they are doing and deserve our support. that's something you don't hear from the political and media establishment very much now, though, it's time for our next debate. whose last but not least, that will be me. oh dear. >> well well well, james cleverly back on the news agenda. he'll be glad for that.

of course he's not doing so well in the leadership election at the minute. he's come out and said that keir starmer is weak. weak , weak for handing back weak, weak for handing back sovereignty of the chagos islands or handing it to mauritius. of course , they mauritius. of course, they weren't mauritius to begin with. now i know in the heat of battle things can get pretty spicy and james cleverly will be forgiven. i know that the prospect of becoming prime minister warms the cockles of many a tory politician, but here's the thing i didn't quite expect this level of amnesia from the leadership candidate. it was, in fact, him who opened negotiations with mauritius just back in 2022. not that long ago. so spare me the tory condemnation from those who, frankly, hadn't heard about the chagos islands until last week. but it does beg the question, doesn't it? with labour and the tories seemingly

in agreement that the sun can now finally set on the british empire, where does that leave the uk? there are cabinet scuffles happening reportedly this week on reducing foreign aid, with rachel reeves trying to cut the level of foreign aid to cut the level of foreign aid to its lowest level in 17 years. now, with all of that being said, is britain now slowly coasting to become a middle economy? attached to a couple of good foreign owned football companies? now, what do we think is britain done for in the modern era? >> i have to say, i just want to read out sue's comment because she reiterates some of what you've just said. she says good afternoon. why do gb news presenters and guests keep saying return the chagos islands? my family come from mauritius. who says the chagos islands have never belonged to mauritius? as you said, mauritius? as you said, mauritius was an uninhabited island that belonged to the portuguese, then the french, then the british. all the ethnicities on this island were brought in as slaves or workers,

and the british gave mauritius back to the settled inhabitants in mauritius. when it became independent in 1968. chagos are a different ethnicity to those in mauritius, which i think is an interesting history lesson, so thank you very much for that too . but on that point too. but on that point i actually don't think it is hypocritical to argue against this , because were it to have this, because were it to have been boris johnson that presided over this right, were it to have been boris johnson that had given up united kingdom territory, and he had done it dunng territory, and he had done it during a parliamentary recess, dunng during a parliamentary recess, during a parliamentary recess, during a party conference recess, and he had said, there ain't going to be a vote on it. you know, i've taken 100 grand in clothing, but i ain't going to have a vote on giving away british overseas territory . i british overseas territory. i think you would be the first one to say we need to get this corrupt book out of office and that actually we ought to have a vote on this. this is a government that is corrupt, that

is riding roughshod over democracy and constitutional progress, and that actually he ought to be brought to justice. >> but i wouldn't say that, of course. of course i would. i would be coming out against it. but frankly, i wouldn't have said that had i made the decision myself. only two years pnor decision myself. only two years prior in the role of foreign secretary, i mean, that's what's really quite odd. >> but we enter negotiations all the time over all sorts of things. we're forever negotiating about the elgin marbles, but we never give them back. so we could have negotiated forever. yeah, he will. so we could have negotiated for a long time and decided that actually it wasn't in the interest and had a debate in the interest and had a debate in parliament about it. >> yeah, but we didn't actually, as david cameron as foreign secretary, who reversed all of this, you know, it was during the truss era, which was only about ten minutes anyway, so they wouldn't have negotiations. we're a house divided, aren't we? >> yeah, exactly. but there's two things i would say about this. the fact that england, united kingdom is giving back these islands, it just shows like it's the, you know, ending of an empire and it's the giving up of strength. and you can see the same thing happening in

america, and you feel like the west is almost dying and the east is rising, and you shouldn't happen. >> it's anti—colonialism. >> it's anti—colonialism. >> yeah, it's anti—colonialism. but at the same time, there is that whole argument about colonialism that, oh, maybe you should give back islands that you don't really own. in the first place. but at the same time, i feel like the united kingdom should keep its strength, because symbolically, when you give back these islands and the falklands might join that list very soon, then you're giving up power. and in the international stage, all of a sudden you appear weak. and that's not what the mauritius, which is aligned with china very closely. >> beijing. we're very happy about this. yeah. you know, i just think strategically america won't be. and also, are we paying won't be. and also, are we paying for the privilege of giving this up? we're not allowed to know what's going on with that. yeah. well well exactly. yeah. just for a budget. it's probably not helpful, is it? why not just say no? >> yeah, well, i mean, they're not going to go to war to it. i mean, it feels like we won the falklands war. it's an apology. >> it feels like they're not going to go to war with what exactly? >> i mean, you never thought the argentinians would go for war in falklands. >> no, they actually had a ship.

the belgrano. >> and maggie thatcher said, okay, we're still going to have a base there with the united states for 99 years. right? >> so why pay for it? it was ours anyway. >> why do it? well, i have a question about pennies here. really. i mean, exactly, but no, but we're talking about the importance of keeping an outpost in the indian sea, which i think we probably all agree is important because it's not only, you know, yes, military incursions and so on from china we want to avoid, but also a projection of soft power that i think we're losing. >> well, we are thanks to you anyway. lots more to come on the show tonight. we'll get to all of that. and our debate on assisted dying coming up right now. send your questions for ask the five and we'll get to all of those very shortly. this is the saturday five only on gb news. >> ooh a chilly start will give way to a lovely warm afternoon. boxt heat pumps sponsors of weather on gb. >> news . good weather on gb. >> news. good evening. weather on gb. >> news . good evening. welcome >> news. good evening. welcome to your gb news, weather update from the met office. after a fine day today , turning cloudier fine day today, turning cloudier on sunday, outbreaks of rain and

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still to come, our quickfire opinion round in the bunch of five. and it's good night to london's night tsar. why are men deciding what a woman is and james bond day and a whole year since the tragic events. of course, of october the 7th, with people taking to the streets just today talking about that in very commemorative terms, which is vile, if you ask me. then we'll be answering your questions in ask the five, send them through to gbnews.com forward slash yoursay ladies, i ain't giving you eunice's number no matter how many times you ask. first of all though, it's your saturday night news with katie . katie. >> a very good evening to you. it's just gone. 7:00 i'm katie bowen in the gb newsroom. some breaking news this evening. a two year old boy, a woman and

two year old boy, a woman and two men have died in two separate tragedies involving two overcrowded boats off the coast of france. french authorities have confirmed it comes as gb news can exclusively reveal that more than 26,000 small boat migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english channel so far this yean english channel so far this year, with almost half of that total making the illegal journey since labour came to power. french media reported that the child who died was trampled to death in a boat off the coast of boulogne. home secretary yvette cooper says she's been in touch with the french interior minister to increase cooperation in dismantling the criminal gangs who undermine border security , a major policing security, a major policing operation took place earlier in central london, as pro—palestine protests and counter—demonstrations, both marking the 7th of october attacks in israel, took place. tens of thousands of pro—palestine protesters have taken to the streets with them,

gathering outside downing street and shouting shame on this government! the demonstrations received a heavy police presence, with metropolitan police now saying they've made 17 arrests so far, with two arrests made on suspicion of supporting a proscribed organisation . british nationals organisation. british nationals are still fleeing lebanon, with are still fleeing lebanon, with a final flight set for sunday amid the escalating conflict across the region. over 250 britons have already evacuated back to the uk on government chartered flights, and the foreign secretary, david lammy, is warning others to register now as future flights aren't guaranteed . it comes as israel guaranteed. it comes as israel intensifies its airstrikes hitting beirut and hezbollah targets while hezbollah fired 100 rockets. in response, an israeli military spokesman said tonight that israel will retaliate against iran when the time is right. while lebanese security sources are now also reporting to the reuters news

agency that hezbollah's anticipated new leader has been unreachable since friday. meanwhile, the uk has sent £10 million in aid to lebanon and troops are now stationed in cyprus in case of an emergency military led evacuation. sir keir starmer is urging all remaining british nationals in lebanon to leave immediately. bofis lebanon to leave immediately. boris johnson is gearing up to release his new memoir , release his new memoir, unleashed. in a sit down interview with camilla tominey, the former prime minister warned it would be a disaster if sir keir starmer tries to reverse brexit. johnson also reaffirmed his belief in brexit, claiming it has given the uk the freedom to act more decisively and do things better. let's take a listen to what he had to say if we'd been. >> norma and reeves are trying to reverse brexit. >> if we'd been a rules. let's say this is the key point if we. that's what. of course, they are. now, if we'd been a rules taker. yes. in at the end of

2020, 2021, we would not have been able to authorise astrazeneca and pfizer. no no no. but you keep you keep interrupting this because it's very, very important. and that was how by march 2021, we had vaccinated 45% of the uk population, compared to 10% part of your legacy. >> well, you can watch the full hour long interview with camilla tominey here on gb news tomorrow morning from 9 am. 9:30 am. finally , tonight, the northern finally, tonight, the northern lights could soon put on a dazzling display across the uk. recent solar flares are expected to make the aurora borealis visible, with the best chances in scotland. northern ireland and northern england. saturday night has the greatest likelihood of sightings, especially later on between 11 pm. and midnight. experts advise finding dark skies and looking to north maximise your chances as intense solar activity could push the lights

further south. nasa confirmed a powerful solar flare on thursday is driving this increase in geomagnetic activity . those are geomagnetic activity. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm katie bowen. more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> it's saturday night. my friends, and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're in for another very lively hour. we're going to crack on with tonight's first debate and, well, this one has been really provoking a lot of you to get involved in the inbox. it's been going wild on this particular issue because it comes as labour mps are giving members of

parliament the chance to debate and vote, and sir keir starmer has welcomed this on whether assisted dying should be legalised here at home. the first time in nine years they'll be given the opportunity. starmer had this to say on the m atter. >> matter. >> i made a promise to esther rantzen before the election that we would provide time for a debate and a vote on assisted dying, that it would be a free vote. and obviously that opportunity is now arisen and i'm very pleased that i'm able, as it were, to make good on the promise. i made to esther rantzen. the government will be neutral on this as you know. >> interesting to hear sir keir starmer talking about promises he made before the election because i'm quite certain there are a fair few of those that he, since you turned on . but good since you turned on. but good for esther anyway. many,

including myself, are concerned about what could be a monumental change to our country. there are real world examples of falling very quickly into a slippery slope via assisted dying and actually using it as another excuse to protect the nhs. does anyone remember that slogan that was parroted throughout the lockdown periods? now , whilst lockdown periods? now, whilst the proposals may be popular, of course with labour mps on the other side of the bench, i think it's fair to say there's more scepticism. but conservative mp kit malthouse welcomes the end of what he calls the horror show of what he calls the horror show of people painfully taking their own lives. i'm delighted to say he joins me now to offer his thoughts and opinions on this vote. kit, thank you very much for your company. now you'll be, i assume, supporting this and actually giving a you'll be speaking in parliament. give us an outline of what you might be saying on the floor of the house. >> yeah, i know i've been campaigning for a change in the law now for, well over a decade, and i voted in favour the last

time we had a chance to vote back in in 2015. and to me, the broad principles haven't changed, which is, as you said, right at the start, the current situation is a real horror show. we have hundreds of people taking their own lives in horrible ways in this country every year because of terminal disease, taking overdoses , disease, taking overdoses, killing themselves. it's just awful. we have one person a week going business class to switzerland, and of course we have thousands of people dying agonising deaths who might want to have a different kind of choice. so the current situation is completely kind of unregulated and out of control, and there's a lot of misery and degradation as a result. and so i think we need to have a bit of a sense of, of control. now, the law that i'm supporting that we've looked at in the past says that if you are certified by two doctors of being within six months at the end of your life due to disease, and a judge certifies that you have a settled desire and you have mental capacity to make the

decision that you should be able to seek assistance to end your life in your own home, surrounded by those people you love with some dignity. and that, frankly, is what esther rantzen is campaigning for as well. now , lots of people at the well. now, lots of people at the moment think they have a choice about the way i should die. if i have a terminal disease, my doctor has a choice. the church thinks it has a choice. people who are blocking the legislation think they have a choice about the way i should die. and yet i'm denied that choice. so what? i'd like to see is a tightly defined law that gives me the choice. if i have a horrible disease that's going to kill me within six months to end my life within six months to end my life with some dignity and peace. and when that law comes in, the thing to remember, darren, is it's not compulsory. if you don't want to have it, don't have it. but please don't deny me the choice. >> yes, but the examples from canada, for example, one woman got in touch and she said that her mother went to hospital in 2023. in canada. she was 91. she

had gallstones. now, that's not a terribly serious thing to have. it's painful, certainly, but it's not life threatening. and she had a power of attorney over her mother, so they called her up and they wanted to give her up and they wanted to give her assisted dying instead of surgery. she said no to that. thenin surgery. she said no to that. then in late 2024, she went back to hospital, not feeling ever so well, and the doctor called again, asking whether or not assisted dying could be an option. she asked what was wrong and they said they didn't know, but didn't think it was worthwhile doing any tests. do you not see this slippery slope where actually we start to devalue life and instead start to value pound and pence? >> no, i think this is about valuing life. i think it's about valuing life. i think it's about valuing the quality of life and recognising that people who are reaching the end of their life may reach that end in horror and agony and pain, and should, if they wish to be spared that. now look, canada is a particular jurisdiction that has a particular way of doing this thing. they have a more complicated situation than us.

they have a thing called the charter of rights and freedoms, where judges are expanding the law. but in other places like australia, oregon, in the states, new zealand, where they've adopted a similar law to they've adopted a similar law to the one that we're proposing, it has not expanded in oregon, have had it now for 25 years. the key thing, though , to remember, thing, though, to remember, darren, is that many, many people live in terrible fear of what their death is going to be like. so, for example, i'm sorry to be graphic about it, but if you are diagnosed with motor neurone disease , you learn neurone disease, you learn pretty quickly that you're going to choke to death. it doesn't matter what the doctors do, there's no palliative care that can stop it. the last thing that closes down before your brain is your ability to breathe, and you choke to death. and as a result, dunng choke to death. and as a result, during the time that you have that disease, you live in fear of that , knowing that you have of that, knowing that you have control at the end, knowing that you can make that decision allows you to make the most of what time you have left. and to me , that's that points to me, that's that points to valuing life. that's about making life about quality and

giving people the autonomy over the most important choice they may ever make in their lives , may ever make in their lives, rather than leaving it with other people. >> all right. yeah, i'm going to bnngin >> all right. yeah, i'm going to bring in my panel now, kit. kit makes a point there that many people agree with renee. now, one person is donna, who's messaged in, donna says, hi, fab five. my daughter died of melanoma cancer at the age of 26. they gave her so much morphine that at the end of her life, she passed away peacefully. they controlled her pain right up to the end. she had a dignified death and as her mother, that's the best i could have wished for. assisted death wasn't even mentioned . now wasn't even mentioned. now people like donna's daughter and the people that kip mentions as well . should this not be an opfion? >> but it is. opfion? >> but it is . but it is an >> but it is. but it is an option. well, so. so kit, i actually agree with you. i'm not going to disagree with you. i'm a doctor and i see that suffering that you're talking about, and i absolutely agree. and deep down i know that if i

got motor neurone disease tomorrow, i would feel exactly the same. what i am incredibly scared of is that i have also seen the other side of this, where i have seen two people that are in rehabilitation homes after a stroke who are under terrible pressure from their inheriting siblings or, you know , inheriting siblings or, you know, children, whatever it is who actually feel that it's their duty to die . duty to die. >> yeah, but i mean, well, first of all, that in when you've had a stroke that wouldn't qualify because that's not necessarily a terminal disease. but the key thing to remember, i think at the moment is that we don't know. we think there are about 600 odd people who are taking their lives now, today in the uk because of disease. and we don't know whether they've been pressured or not. so surely a situation where two doctors have to certify and a judge has to certify that the situation warrants them having this choice is much safer than what we have at the moment, so it's completely unregulated at the

moment. >> you're right. we don't know. and i don't think there can ever be a safeguard that two doctors, three doctors, ten doctors could know . so that's a problem. and i know. so that's a problem. and i think donna raises a really interesting point that actually our palliative care is appalling. and actually what we should do is improve our palliative care to make sure we give people a good death. >> well, because i'm just going to give you the other side just to give you the other side just to add something. >> that's totally right. there is lots of evidence to show that in places where they adopt assisted dying, palliative care does improve the often the two go together. and you're right. i mean palliative care is fantastic and we have to improve it. but you know, as a doctor there are some conditions where no matter what the best palliative care is, it cannot help you with the pain and agony and degradation at the end of your life. and we already have some safeguards that doctors have to put in place. so for example, you will know that where somebody is refusing treatment, which you can do in the nhs, if you're refusing treatment at the end of your

life, then doctors are trained and are supposed to look and see if there is any coercion taking place there. so this there's no evidence elsewhere in the world of widespread coercion or indeed any cases in places like oregon. but putting in place these safeguards is much better than the situation we have now. >> well, wayne says no one has the right to tell me that i haven't got the right to die when i want to, and no one has the right to tell me that i have to suffer for months, if not years. we don't allow animals to suffer. why do we do it to humans? where are you at on that, eunice? >> so what i think is the illusion of choice in this matter. so who should be allowed? can we, you know, commit euthanasia on teenagers that feel depressed and they want to kill themselves? and how do we like set laws? you said there needs to be two doctors that need to sign. and also someone that needs to go to court, but then who applies for this? and then it becomes a slippery slope, in my opinion, where a lot of people, just because they feel depressed and

they want to kill themselves, they want to kill themselves, they would go to the doctor and say, well, i want to commit euthanasia and i want to kill myself . maybe they don't even myself. maybe they don't even have a terminal illness. and then again, it's just the whole thing. it just unravels into this whole ideology of people that want to kill themselves. >> but alan says , kate, alan >> but alan says, kate, alan says it reminds me of ronald reagan saying the scariest words were i'm from the government and i'm here to help. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> no. so in the cases that you cite, of course they wouldn't qualify because they haven't got a terminal disease. these are people with late stage cancer , people with late stage cancer, motor neurone disease. you know, there are all sorts of horrible diseases that are progressive and where doctors can agree between them about what your prognosis is likely to be and whether you're going to die within within six months. and of course, a judge is able to look at your settled pattern of belief over the years or indeed over the months beforehand and come to a view. but in the end, the choice has to come down to the choice has to come down to the individual. and, you know, i guess the question for lots of

people, the question that i put to lots of people is if you were in that circumstances where you had, say, motor neurone disease and you knew you were going to choke to death, would you want the choice for yourself? and if you want the choice for yourself, then please don't deny it to me. >> well, on that then. robert was diagnosed. we mentioned i brought this up earlier, but robert was diagnosed with bowel and liver cancer. one of our viewers tonight and he was given a 5% chance of survival. and robert says if they brought in assisted dying, i probably wouldn't be here now. robert is still alive. he's still with us. he's watching tonight after many operations and treatment. he's beenin operations and treatment. he's been in the all clear for the past eight years. he says the system now that makes people comfortable when in the last stages of their life, is all that's needed and needed to be improved. so again, there is this real divergence. and, you know, robert is a survivor of a disease that he wasn't supposed to live from. so do do we have the right to play god ? the right to play god? >> well, we're not having the right at the moment.

>> well, we're not having the right at the moment . the state right at the moment. the state does have the right to play god. it's saying to me, i have to go through the pain and the agony. ihave through the pain and the agony. i have no choice unless of course, i've got the money and i can go to switzerland. so that's what i'm saying. the status quo is also a choice now for robert with his bowel cancer. i'm very pleased that he's doing well. he would not necessarily have chosen to take it. and most people in places that do have assisted dying, like oregon, choose not to use it, but they can take some comfort from the fact that in the last few days or few weeks, if they know they feel in themselves that they can't take the pain and the agony anymore, that they might have that choice, it doesn't mean that people stop treatment. it doesn't mean that people don't keep working to try and recover. but having the choice , recover. but having the choice, knowing that if they need it, they can take that choice releases people from the fear and that i think , is what and that i think, is what blights so many people in the final months of their lives. >> i remember pretty vividly being told that there were safeguards in place for so—called trans children, and we

all know how that turned out at the tavistock clinic, of course. but renee, i'm going to give you the final word, and then we'll give kate the final conclusion on that. >> so again , everything you say >> so again, everything you say i do accept and it's a very compelling argument. we don't just have to look to canada, though. if we look across the very small sea that separates us from the netherlands. recently, a 28 year old girl in a healthy body has been given permission to die by assisted dying because she has mental anguish. she has some autism , she has depression some autism, she has depression and a personality disorder and this for me just is indicative of the slippery slope that we may well head down. >> you know, i understand that , >> you know, i understand that, but look, we are we're a thousand year old democracy, right? we design legislation to deal with our own cultural and moral sensibilities in this country all the time. so our abortion legislation is different to the abortion legislation elsewhere. i think in canada, abortions are still legal up to the day of birth .

legal up to the day of birth. right. so uk kit but no. yeah, exactly. but nobody would say that because other countries have different rules. we shouldn't do it ourselves. i think if you start from the premise that the current situation is a horror show, right, that lots and dozens , right, that lots and dozens, thousands of people are living through pain, that they may not necessarily want to, and living with the fear of that pain coming, and that we have a steady stream of people going to switzerland, then you should. surely it's our duty to say, okay, so how can we regularise this situation ? should we put in this situation? should we put in protections so that we know that people who are seeking an assistance at the end of their lives are doing it properly for the right reasons, at the right time, and in a way that is controlled by professionals and by the courts, rather than the kind of free for all we have out there moment. as i say, we in countries where they've had it for a long time, like the state of oregon in the states, it's worked extremely well. and there's no country that's brought it in that has ever discussed repealing it. 70% of

the british people want to have this for themselves. they overwhelmingly support it. and you may not. and that's fine. as i say, if it comes in, it's not compulsory. but please don't deny me the choice that i would want at that stage in my life. >> and kate, you, you, as you say, you speak for many, many people, but you know, call me little old sceptic here, but , little old sceptic here, but, you know, i appreciate you coming on and giving your views in a way in which we can actually discuss and have the debate that parliament will hopefully have, and i hope it's as thorough as this one has been. kate, thank you very much for your time. that's kit malthouse mp now. still to come, we're going to be asking the five, get your questions for in that and the bunch of five. but next myself and kai will go head to head a little ding dong in the saturday scrap is ed miliband's £22 billion carbon capture package, a load of net zero hot air. you're the saturday five live on gb news

>> join me camilla tominey this sunday when i interview one of the most significant political figures of our era, boris johnson. nothing will be off limits as we discuss his autobiography, unleashed and everything in it. >> i failed to avert megxit, but i did deliver brexit and i'm very, very happy to be on camilla tominey show boris johnson on gb news. the people's channel johnson on gb news. the people's channel, britain's news channel that's the camilla tominey show tomorrow at 9:30 am. and again at 6 pm. >> welcome back to the saturday five. as always. thank you very much for your messages about tonight's topics. barbara has accused us of ignorance and actually says young people shouldn't be discussing this debate. i will be old one time. you know, barbara, and we've been speaking about very young people actually, and i'm assuming, barbara, you're not terminally ill. if you are, i apologise , but i think everyone apologise, but i think everyone ought to have their say on these

things. >> i have a grandmother and young people get cancer. >> yeah, yeah . but anyway, we'll >> yeah, yeah. but anyway, we'll move on from that. i thank you to everyone else, andrew says renee with the common sense and but there are a lot of people, i must say , who who do you know on must say, who who do you know on both sides of the argument? but we like speech and debate on this. >> i'm conflicted over this. >> i'm conflicted over this. >> yeah, yeah, it's not an easy debate at all. it's a horrible debate. we're talking about vulnerable people in the worst scenarios life could ever force upon them. right now, though, it's upon them. right now, though, wsfime upon them. right now, though, it's time for this. upon them. right now, though, it's time for this . in didi ding it's time for this. in didi ding ding ding. it's time for tonight's main event. sir keir starmer and ed millipede miliband have excitedly lauded the introduction of carbon capture, usage and storage technology this week. but is he really putting the country first by committing nearly £22 billion? remember, that was the size of the black hole. well,

they've filled it with carbon towards this labour. green energy project. the same amount, i repeat , as energy project. the same amount, i repeat, as that infamous black hole. where have they found the money? is the carbon capture package a load of net zero hot air seconds out. it's round one. that's a little preview of my view, so i'm going to let kai take it away. ding ding. >> well it wouldn't be a mudslinging match would it? on the saturday five without having a bit of a jab with darren on green energy and net zero. now my view on this is pretty simple . my view on this is pretty simple. i think if we're trying to hold this back, if we think that we can, we can lag and stop our responsibilities when it comes to net zero compared to other countries, then that's a joke . countries, then that's a joke. and frankly, this kind of package is the best way for us to be going about this business. now, this is a £22 billion investment package. now what you won't hear of course, is it's over the next 25 years. so

really i'm going to be arguing that maybe it should be a bit higher than that. and i'll tell you for why. taken with great british energy and the national wealth fund that are also being rolled out, i think this is exactly the kind of package of measures that will support different parts of the country, many of which have de—industrialized in the last few decades, will support them into a new industrial future. now, only last year , the whiz now, only last year, the whiz kids over at silicon valley invested $17.7 billion in this technology alone . now, i think technology alone. now, i think that speaks for itself. but if that's not quite enough, big business, big industrials , business, big industrials, cement manufacturers and so on are all piling in on this and are all piling in on this and are expected also to invest an additional £8 billion to that 22 at least over the course of that agreement. now, all of this again, you won't hear how many jobs are going to be created, at

least 4000 directly and 50,000 indirectly. and that doesn't even cover the other programs that are going to be announced over the next few months. i'm sure in this new drive of investment, this isn't hot air. this isn't money into thin air. it's putting jobs right where we need them in the uk and replacing some of the industries that sadly, in the past few years we've seen decimated by the conservative government. >> but before i answer all of those substantive points, would you answer the question of this money? why take it away? you mentioned it's over a period of a quarter of a century. well, hang on, the pension is getting payments. you know, that would have been going on for quite some time. they said there wasn't enough money in the coffers for that. where are they finding the funding for this measure? >> creating infrastructure, building infrastructure, making investments is a different thing entirely from deciding where the where the budget is being spent.

now, allocating those amounts comes completely separately to deciding where the future infrastructure investment is going to come from. i'll tell you what. and working and working. i can't believe that you're on the side of green peace on this. i'm not sure if you've joined just stop oil, but they're actually one of the only groups that are opposing this. you've got big business, big tech, all coming in on this. yes, the technology can be flawed. no, hang on. but we need to throw the kitchen sink on this chance right there are the point you make on big business saying they're all up for this. >> well, i wonder why that might be. could it be because they're being given a in the form of taxpayer cash to actually swallow and gobble all of this up like the rest of the green investment that we've ploughed into these big businesses over the past since 2008, when ed miliband put in place the climate change act, by the way, that government put in place these kinds of measures they explored, they set up an exploration of carbon capture

technology, and it was determined that the subsidy would be so large that you could neven would be so large that you could never, ever make it market friendly. it could never work because the subsidy to the taxpayer would be so expensive that it simply wasn't worth doing. what we have done, though, in the interim, is said, you speak to us about jobs. tell that to the people who have just lost their jobs in steelmaking. tell that to the people in north sea oil and gas who've just lost their jobs , and sea oil and gas who've just lost theirjobs , and in sea oil and gas who've just lost their jobs , and in the sea oil and gas who've just lost theirjobs , and in the wider their jobs, and in the wider supply chain where we are no longer actually sourcing our own oil and gas and our coal manufacturing as well, coal we still need by the way, for your great big whopping subsidised wind farms that we can no longer get in this country. we have to get in this country. we have to get it from russia and australia. well, guess what? that's one hell of a lot of carbon emissions. much more than little old doris freezing in her home because she can't afford her gas bill. thanks to what you people have actually done to this economy and to our country,

you have sacrificed the working class on the altar of greenery, greta thunberg esque and on big business who's growing fat on taxpayer money? i think it's a disgrace. and i think this is more example of big business getting fat on all this stuff. i can't believe a marxist like you is talking about the fact that this is good for big business. you should be on the side of the little people. that's whose side i'm on. net zero end. it's on the side of big fat cats and vested interests. >> exactly . i won't take any of >> exactly. i won't take any of this from you. right? the last time i talked to a real coal miner who was still mining was two weeks ago. the last time i talked to a farmer was two days ago. and i'll tell you what they don't have petty grievances about net zero taking up all this cash. you know , losing out this cash. you know, losing out on all the spending that we would be getting otherwise. they're worried about the state of their industries, british industries, farming ,

industries, farming, steelmaking. you mentioned, you know, this worried about what happens after those industries slowly, you know, become less relevant. and they know that they'll become less relevant. but what they want relevant is a plan, policy decisions you've made. >> and this is a plan. it's a net zero plan that green elites and the davos set, which sir keir starmer says he prefers over westminster and that will be because there is power removed from the very people that you speak of, the people that you speak of, the people that are being phased out, that's farmers, that's steelworkers. anyone in energy intensive industries. nissan in sunderland, you are saying to them their future is not in these industries. in this country. and i think not at all. you're supposed to be on the side of labour in this country. you're on the side of big money and vested interests. and i think that's a crying shame. >> what is needed in these industries, unlike, oh yeah, of course. yeah. >> all right. go to gbnews.com/yoursay to actually give your views on who you think

actually had the upper edge in that debate, who you agree with. let us know. next, in the bunch of five, we're saying good night to london's night tsar. of five, we're saying good night to london's night tsar . well to london's night tsar. well what did she do? and why are men deciding what a woman is? james bond day and a whole year, of course, since those tragic events on october the 7th being commemorated today on the streets of london, we have a serious problem in this country. you're with the saturday five live on gb

welcome back to the saturday five. thank you very much for your messages about tonight's topics. i have gone over by ranting at kai a little bit too much, so i haven't got time to read any out, but we will be getting to ask the five in a minute. now though, it's time for this . it's the bunch of for this. it's the bunch of five. adam, what have you got? >> yeah, a moment of reflection,

guys. a great career has come to an end. amy lame. is it lame or lame? i don't , who cares? lame? i don't, who cares? doesn't matter. she's gone. amy lame, the night tsar of london, has retired after eight years at the helm. 130 odd thousand pounds of london taxpayers money seemingly down the drain. i don't really know what she did. under her tenure, the nightlife in london has declined precipitously . presumably, she'd precipitously. presumably, she'd be having her leaving party at about 2:00 in the afternoon, because any time after that and everything closes, it's saturday night. now, if you want to go and have a drink after this, i probably only have an hour. everything closes at 10 pm. what has she done? they might not even replace her. by the way, they're going to have a task force to think about it. that's more taxpayers money. so thanks for that. but anyway, thanks for that. but anyway, thank you, amy. lame , lame. goodbye. >> how much was she on? >> how much was she on? >> 130 something thousand. right. >> okay. and that's sadiq khan was it? >> that's sadiq khan. >> that's sadiq khan. >> she flew around the world. yeah. >> whilst also working the bbc as a dj. i believe. >> yeah, but the london's nightlife has really gone down in the last five years, 5 to 10

years. it's really gone down. no one's going out. >> yeah. i should never have accepted. >> yes. aren't they, since the pandemic especially, i mean industrialisation, it's very similar to what we've been discussing after in the break about all of this. >> i mean, look, she had a poisoned chalice of a job. why did she take it in the first place? that's bloody difficult. >> and then i mean, 135,000. >> and then i mean, 135,000. >> but her results do show. i mean, i can't be impressed by any. no, no, i'm not impressed . any. no, no, i'm not impressed. don't worry. i want to be going out after this. all right. >> renee, what have you got? so this in november, there's a very important case coming before the supreme court. >> so the highest court in the land to decide what a woman is in employment terms. i mean, like , we don't know, but anyway. like, we don't know, but anyway. and we need a court warning, apparently. and the reason we need a court ruling, i will explain in november. lord reed, a man is going to head up a five person panel with three men and two women. so basically men are going to get to decide whether men who have a certificate saying that they are a woman can

actually take up a place of a woman that is mandated on a board. so we've got these quotas that board boards now have to have so many women on them. and the question is, can a man who says he's a woman actually take up one of those places? if the answer to this question is yes, it is conceivable that a no women will ever get promoted to a board again. is this progress? >> yeah . no. i mean, a board again. is this progress? >> yeah. no. i mean, i'm reminded always of professor and i've had him on gb news before. not like that. it's not this kind of show, but professor lord robert winston said he feels that state and biological fact will get you hate mail. so he's a biologist, very eminent in his role, and he says that he gets a slew of abuse forjust stating slew of abuse for just stating biological fact. so i think we only need one man and it's him. >> he's my neighbour. >> he's my neighbour. >> is he? yeah. oh, well, there you go. >> well, how world? >> well, how world? >> a small world, but you know, there is a serious point to be

made here. and are we going to have these captured judges saying that actually we need to bnngin saying that actually we need to bring in the other side? >> i mean, i would question that we should be giving any man a certificate that says he's a woman. let's stop that. >> exactly . yeah. all right. >> exactly. yeah. all right. i want to talk to you. do you remember this? you probably all remember this? you probably all remember when bianca williams was stopped by the police and searched. and the cops that did this stop and search? they were arguing that, actually. yeah, there may have been marijuana in there may have been marijuana in the car, or at least the presence of marijuana had been evident in the past before they got into the vehicle. and they stopped and searched and they basically lost their jobs as a consequence. there were accusations of lying and all these other things. well, guess what? the courts have actually ruled that they ought to be given their jobs back. and that lies is a very questionable way of actually putting it. so that is another i think, knee jerk reaction in which accusations of rape are. dawn butler got in

this act and she she of course she's famous most recently for putting in the murderer and rapist into her poem on all things good and, you know, diverse in this world. two rapists she included in this poem . and she did apologise for poem. and she did apologise for it, but she did it nonetheless. but bianca williams, dawn butler and others came out for this and said, it's racism. and this is evidence that the met police are racist. well, the court disagreed. these two people got theirjobs disagreed. these two people got their jobs back. disagreed. these two people got theirjobs back. do disagreed. these two people got their jobs back. do you disagreed. these two people got theirjobs back. do you think , their jobs back. do you think, actually, eunice, this is a sign that this country qatar far too often its institutions to this knee jerk twitter sort of pile on. yeah, exactly. >> and i think it's just political correctness and everyone playing the victim all the time. i don't agree with it at all. so i feel like, again, this country needs to grow a backbone again and we need our strength. we spoke about the whole giving up of islands . whole giving up of islands. that's just another example. so it's just there is a triangle of they say it's a metal triangle. the stability of a country. and one of those things is to look

after your culture, look after your laws, have tough laws, and just have everyone follow the same culture. and now this whole thing is being diluted and everyone's playing the victim all the time. and we have people sacked all the time and you have cancel culture. we don't have freedom of speech. so i don't agree with it at all. and i think we need to 100% get a lot more firmer. >> good for the cops. yeah . >> good for the cops. yeah. eunice, what have you got? >> so it's the anniversary of october 7th. on monday, in which hamas terrorists killed more than 1200 innocent jewish people. in response , israel people. in response, israel attacked gaza , targeting hamas attacked gaza, targeting hamas buildings and terrorists . and buildings and terrorists. and for a whole year now, we've been having protests in which these terrorists are somehow the victims. i always said this because i'm iranian myself, free palestine from hamas, free lebanon from hezbollah, and free iran from the islamic republic. israel is doing the right thing fighting these terrorist groups, because as long as they exist,

they will never be peace in the middle east. but unfortunately, we have a mainstream media and impressionable people that think somehow the zionists and the israelis are the aggressors in this situation. and we've been having vile chants of river to the sea and death to the zionist jews. and we have it all the time . so i just don't agree with time. so i just don't agree with it. i think we should do a better job of having a better discussion about this whole situation. >> we've got a video, haven't we? >> yeah, we have a video. yeah. seriously, it's a serious thing. >> seriously . free, free, free >> seriously. free, free, free to fight to the finish. you all off. >> so, i mean, do you know you've got to agree with what younis is saying here that london, england, you know, the united kingdom has a problem where you've got people saying that that the hamas are proscribed terrorist organisation is our freedom

fighters and that they they should finish these people off. >> i've said before and i said today that's sick, isn't it, just to see scenes like that. and we have seen them in the past few months, though i still believe that the vast majority of people are protesting peacefully, and we do need to let that happen . i do strongly let that happen. i do strongly believe that they have a right to . but, but, but believe that they have a right to. but, but, but i think there's a i think it's i would not be out there if i were protesting, if i were them right now, it's such a big issue and there's such strong feelings around this for jews in the uk and for israelis. this is their 9/11 and worse by ten times. >> well, i personally think it says everything about those so—called peaceful protesters that you speak of, that they're out there on the streets today . out there on the streets today. >> no, i don't disagree, darren. >> no, i don't disagree, darren. >> all right. james. whatever. james. >> that's not me. >> that's not me. >> james bond is coming up. that's my guy. what have you got? james bond? >> i've given it away to take the name of the theme tune. that's not my name . no, look, it

that's not my name. no, look, it is james bond day. that's not my name. no, look, it is james bond day . the 25 james is james bond day. the 25 james bond films have been released on amazon prime, and there's a new ww seven, ww seven, 007 experience opening in central london. now i'm a big james bond fan. i've been listening to the tunes on the way up on the train today, but look, i couldn't give a toss about james bond day. there's a much more important question at stake who is going to be the next bond? now, i was 11 in 2005 when, when daniel craig was announced as bond. it was a years ago that we had the last film. rumours have been swirling which british pin up is going to take the role next? is it rege—jean page? the sultry bridgerton lothario? is it going to be aaron taylor—johnson? who those of the 90s kids among us will remember from angus, thongs and perfect snogging, which was

and perfect snogging, which was a film, by the way, and i'm quoting. or will it be james norton, the villain from happy valley and mcmafia? now these are all questions that need to be answered. also to be answered will it be the bond of darren grimes darkest dreams? well, dreams. we need to know. we need to know. and so i say to barbara broccoli and the producers, give us your next bond. >> so i've been watching, along with doctor renee slow horses on apple tv, other channels are available, especially this one. and jack lowden. i want jack lowden, who plays cartwright, to be the next bond. >> yeah, i just wonder if he's sultry enough. >> yeah , maybe a dark horse >> yeah, maybe a dark horse contender as well, though. >> you know, i quite like that does help bond. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> oh sorry mate. go ahead. yeah. >> i mean if, if you're looking for a new james bond, i'm available. >> so consider this his audition. >> so consider this his audition. >> it's my audition. there is the idea of taking it back to the idea of taking it back to the 1960s. would that be a good idea? what would you say to

that? because i think it's a little bit outdated now. >> well, sean connery no. >> well, sean connery no. >> yeah , yeah. no, i mean, like, >> yeah, yeah. no, i mean, like, you know, getting the exploding pens back, it would be the aston martin db5. yeah, that'd be nice. >> it would buck the trend, wouldn't it? yeah. we need we need a sequel because marvel will have brought out about 125 deadpool sequels by the time we've got the next one. that would be countercultural as well, to go to actually revert to type and take it back to what it was. >> yeah, but i just hope he doesn't go woke. i really don't, i don't i don't agree with the female james bond and i don't agree on that. >> i think we've missed the boat. >> i don't think you should. yeah. >> right. still ahead, we're going to answer all of questions and ask the

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more eloquent than i was. russell asked this over email. he says will the labour party get wiped out at the next general election? kai. >> it's a really great question, isn't it? i think people knew that the base of support for the labour party in this last election, it was it was wide, but it was shallow. and there's not that enthusiasm that we see for other parties. oh, that's a bit that's a bit far. look, i think you're totally right. and i don't know what's gonna happen. i don't think it's going to be a wipe—out, but they may well end up in coalition . we well end up in coalition. we were talking about this earlier, weren't we? >> yeah. wide shallow. absolutely. they only won this time because everyone hated the tories so much and wanted to punish them. by the time we get to the next election. i mean, the real question is what happens on the right? what happens on the right? what happens to reform and the conservatives? who's the new conservative leader if they are unified? i don't know what that will look like. it's a long time, but if they're unified, i think there's a serious chance that labour are booted out. >> i certainly don't think they'll win a majority, so if

anything, it will be hung and they'll make a government with they'll make a government with the liberals again. but then we'll get pr oh yeah, that'll be exciting. >> that'll change everything. >> that'll change everything. >> yeah. so i don't think labour is going to win. i actually i don't think they're going to make it to 2029 because they're already very unpopular. however, there's always going to be laboun there's always going to be labour. and as my friend said over there, it's all depends on what happens on the right, whether reform is going to come and surge in the polls or they can, you know, make a coalition with the conservatives. >> okay. thank you very much to all of our guests tonight. i've been darren grimes and you've been darren grimes and you've been marvellous. i've gone over time by ranting earlier. i do apologise, forgive me, but you have been fantastic. so has my panel and we'll see you same time next week. up next it's josh howie in for leo kearse with the saturday night showdown. >> despite the morning rain it'll be a nice warm, cosy day ahead. boxt heat pumps sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening . welcome to your >> good evening. welcome to your gb news. weather update from the met office after a fine day today, turning cloudier on

sunday, outbreaks of rain and drizzle and then sunshine and showers into the new week. we've had higher pressure towards the east of the uk but out towards the west. low pressure and a squeeze in those isobars indicating some stronger winds. so cloudy conditions across northern ireland and parts of the south—west through this evening, with outbreaks of rain, it will generally weaken as it moves its way north and eastwards, but a lot of cloud across much of the country. you may see clear skies towards the far north to allow a glimpse of the northern lights, but otherwise a breezy night. temperatures up at around 11 or 12 degrees, so to start sunday morning we've got cloudy conditions, especially across the south and west, to start the day . so a the south and west, to start the day. so a murky picture here compared to what we've had on saturday. brighter skies towards the far south and east, but cloud and rain continuing across northern ireland, parts of northern england into scotland as well. but some sunshine to start the day towards the far north. so as we go through

sunday morning, that area of sunshine across the south and east will soon be replaced by cloud, and it's going to be quite a murky afternoon for most of us, with outbreaks of rain and drizzle further towards the west. we do have an area of heavy, possibly thundery rain moving across northern ireland, wales and into southwest england, but temperatures generally staying around 17 or 18 degrees as we go through monday, cloud and rain continuing to push its way northwards. but otherwise, after a murky start , will start to see a murky start, will start to see sunny spells developing. but also some frequent showers that could be on the heavy side , could be on the heavy side, especially towards the south and west . and as we go into tuesday west. and as we go into tuesday and wednesday, it's a case still of sunny spells and scattered showers. highs of up to 17 or 18 degrees by ooh, a chilly start will give way to a lovely warm afternoon. >> boxt heat pumps

>> hello and welcome to saturday night showdown with me. josh howie coming up on tonight's show, we're approaching the first anniversary of the hamas led attacks on southern israel that killed over 1000 people. as protesters marched on the streets of london with pro—hezbollah banners. i'll be giving my thoughts on what the future holds for the west. kemi badenoch said that not all cultures are equally valid. is she right? we'll be getting deep into that one. and dawn butler has released a strange, arguably racist black nationalist poem in which she declares that she is one of the chosen ones. that's my schtick , and that you do not my schtick, and that you do not matter . m atter. >> matter. >> there's all that and much, much more. this is your saturday night showdown .