>> hello and welcome to saturday night showdown with me. josh howie coming up on tonight's show, we're approaching the first anniversary of the hamas led attacks on southern israel that killed over 1000 people. as protesters marched on the streets of london with pro—hezbollah banners. i'll be giving my thoughts on what the future holds for the west. kemi badenoch said that not all cultures are equally valid. is she right.7 we'll be getting deep into that one. and dawn butler has released a strange, arguably racist black nationalist poem in which she declares that she is one of the chosen ones. that's my schtick , and that you do not my schtick, and that you do not matter . m atter. >> matter. >> there's all that and much, much more. this is your saturday night showdown .

night showdown. and discussing all of tonight's topics, we have my brilliant panel , kezia topics, we have my brilliant panel, kezia noble and andrew eborn . but first, let's get the eborn. but first, let's get the latest news headlines from katie bowen . bowen. >> a very good evening to you. it's just gone 8:00 i'm katie bowen in the gb news room. some sad news this evening. a two year old boy, a woman and two men have died in two separate tragedies involving two overcrowded boats off the coast of france, french authorities have confirmed. it comes as gb news can exclusively reveal that more than 26,000 small boat migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english channel so far this yean

english channel so far this year, with almost half of that total making the illegal journey since labour came to power. french media reported that the child who died was trampled to death in a boat off the coast of boulogne. home secretary yvette cooper says she has been in touch with the french interior minister to increase cooperation in dismantling criminal gangs who undermine border security . a who undermine border security. a major policing operation took place in central central london earlier today as pro—palestine protests and counter—demonstrations , both counter—demonstrations, both marking the 7th of october attacks in israel, took place. tens of thousands of pro—palestine protesters have taken to the streets with them , taken to the streets with them, gathering outside downing street and shouting shame on this government! the demonstrations received a heavy police presence, with the metropolitan police now saying they've made 17 arrests so far, with two arrests made on suspicion of supporting a proscribed a proscribed organisation . british

proscribed organisation. british nationals are still fleeing lebanon, with a final flight set for sunday amid the escalating conflict across the region. over 250 britons have already evacuated back to the uk on government chartered flights, and the foreign secretary , david and the foreign secretary, david lammy, is warning others to register now as future flights aren't guaranteed. it comes as israel intensifies its airstrikes hitting beirut and hezbollah targets, while hezbollah targets, while hezbollah fired 100 rockets in response. an israeli military spokesman said tonight that israel will retaliate against iran when the time is right. while lebanese security sources are now also reporting to reuters news agency that hezbollah's anticipated new leader has been unreachable since friday. meanwhile , the uk since friday. meanwhile, the uk has sent £10 million in aid to lebanon and troops are now stationed in cyprus in case of an emergency military led evacuation. sir keir starmer is urging all remaining british

nationals in lebanon to leave immediately . boris johnson is immediately. boris johnson is geanng immediately. boris johnson is gearing up to release his new memoir, unleashed , in a new sit memoir, unleashed, in a new sit down interview with camilla tominey. the former prime minister warned it would be a disaster if sir keir starmer tries to reverse brexit. johnson also reaffirmed his belief in brexit, claiming it has given the uk the freedom to act more decisively and do things better. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> if we'd been norma and reeves are trying to reverse. >> if we'd been a rules. let's see. this is the key point. if we. that's what? of course they are. now, if we'd been a rules taker. >> yes. >> yes. >> in at the end of 2020, 2021, we would not have been able to authorise astrazeneca and pfizer. no no no. but you keep you keep interrupting this because it's very, very important . and that was how by important. and that was how by march 2021, we had vaccinated

45% of the uk population, compared to 10%. >> part of your legacy . >> part of your legacy. >> part of your legacy. >> well, you can watch the full hour long interview with camilla tominey here on gb news tomorrow morning at 930. and finally tonight, the northern lights could soon put on a dazzling display across the uk. recent solar flares are expected to make the aurora borealis visible, with the best chances in scotland , northern ireland in scotland, northern ireland and northern england. your greatest chance of catching the display is tonight, especially later on between 11 pm. and midnight. experts advise finding dark skies and looking north to maximise your chances as intense solar activity could push the lights further south. those are your latest gb news headlines for now i'm katie bowen. more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to

gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> welcome to saturday night showdown. for nearly a year now, i've been scared. waking up last october 7th to reports of hamas's invasion of israel. i desperately tried to make sense of the horror seen in the footage being put out by the terrorists themselves. initially, i was scared for those who'd been dancing at a music festival , grieving those music festival, grieving those who tried to escape and were shot down in cold blood. i was scared for kibbutzes and towns close to the israel—gaza border, for the families hiding within their homes, those same homes deliberately set alight. families still inside. i was scared for the state of israel and for my friends and family who live there. and perhaps most of all, i was scared for the hostages, all 250 of them, but in particular naama levy with that terrible blood stain on her tracksuit bottoms indicating

sexual assault. i was terrified for the further horrors that they'd be subjected to. that night, though, when a clip emerged of people in the uk, british citizens on british soil celebrating the worst mass slaughter of jews since world war two, that was the first time i became scared for myself, for my family. less than 24 hours after the invasion had been thwarted , as i joined, fellow thwarted, as i joined, fellow jews gathered in central london in silent prayer for the dead. just up the road, there were flares being set off and anarchic mass celebration of the worst of humanity. with no police in sight. that's when i became scared for the fate of the british jewish community. in the british jewish community. in the ensuing months , those the ensuing months, those concerns only increased. my children were told to remove their school blazers for their own safety because they attend a jewish school. should i start tucking my star of david inside my shirt after a man screamed free palestine at me on the tube? we were worried about going to synagogue as it's on the route of one of the marches.

that's plagued our cities and towns. every weekend, hundreds of thousands of people openly chanting for the genocide of jews carrying nazi era placards. yet none of them seemingly wanting peace enough to call for hamas to return the hostages. instead, there were flags proudly displayed at proscribed terrorist organisations. worse than that , when a legion of men than that, when a legion of men openly called for jihad, our own police force gaslit us with jihad has many , many meanings. jihad has many, many meanings. contrast that with someone holding up a poster stating a fact recognised by the laws of this land that hamas are terrorists and they were the ones arrested. and that is why i'm now also scared for you. for all of us, for the uk, for the west, even though it was israel that was this week subjected to the largest ballistic missile attack in history from iran , attack in history from iran, even though it's israel that has last year sacrificed its youth trying to get the hostages back, and now fights for its citizens to return home after being displaced by more than 8000

rockets. hezbollah has fired. make no mistake, it's the west that's also under threat. worse than that, it's the west that are likely to remain so for in the middle east, there are glimmers of hope. hamas brigades are largely dismantled. hezbollah's leadership destroyed. the islamic regime in iran has never looked more fragile. just in time with their achieving of nuclear weapons only months away. and if the mullahs do fall, there is the first real chance in the region for peace. other countries uae, egypt, jordan, even saudi arabia have already come to see that recognising the right of israel to exist with friendship and cooperation is what most beneficial to all the iranian people may soon to be to free grasp that possibility. lebanon can be free of hezbollah. gaza can be free of hezbollah. gaza can be free of hezbollah. gaza can be free of hamas. it's only with hamas gone that the palestinian people have any chance of a peaceful and prosperous state of their own. and yes, i've two been scared for the sake of their innocence.

cynically , consciously, cynically, consciously, strategically used by hamas as shields. however, if the middle east does come through this and enter a golden era, much of the west will still not be free. many of our institutions will remain captured by ideologies that run counter to western liberal democracy. the un with actual terrorists on its payroll. ngos lying and parroting terrorist propaganda. academia, teaching and supporting its students who want to dismantle our society. to rewrite history and facts and even language . genocide, even language. genocide, apartheid, starvation, ethnic cleansing terms now rendered meaningless. and then there's the media. whoa! the media, our national broadcaster, who we have no choice but to finance out of our pockets. even in the wake of two reports proving their bias this week repeatedly platformed supporters of anti—west regimes, allowed terrorist supporters to sprout

unhinged lies and anti—semitism with little to no pushback . and with little to no pushback. and through all of these institutions and beyond, islamists and the far left and the useful idiots and the brainwashed youths have been allowed to operate freely as they strive to destroy what our forebears built and fought for. they are the ones who i'm scared of. they are the ones we should all be scared of. and they are the ones that, moving forward, we're going to have to figure out how to deal with. and we're going to have to figure out a way to do so, which doesn't undermine the liberal democracy that we are trying to protect. we have to maintain our freedoms and rights and free speech and dissent and blasphemy and equality laws. and that's the crux, then, isn't it? fear has been used for nefarious purposes in the past. mccarthyism had its origins and a legitimate fear. so we are going to have to somehow find a way down a twisty, complicated path to get through this without getting lost. i don't know the shape of that path. what i do know is it begins with a simple step, which is to state i am scared . i'm

is to state i am scared. i'm joined tonight by kezia noble and andrew eborn. how are you both? i'm good. sorry. that was pretty heavy. heavy, heavy stuff. >> i have to share your fear. and this is the problem, josh, on a number of levels. first of all, i make it really clear i'm pro—peace. i think, as you rightly say, it was abhorrent what happened on october the 7th? there are all sorts of questions as to how that arose. but also there have been tragedies on both sides. and the first casualty in war is the truth. what's happening as a result? the horrible hate that spilled out onto our streets as a result of it. people are right to be scared. we don't. we have no body, should be living in fear when you have people trying to go to the jewish schools and so on and so forth. you're seeing red paint splattered over it that is abhorrent, that it should be called out. it took the bbc far too long to call hamas a proscribed terrorist organisation, which they are. and it's illegal in this country under the terrorism act . not to

under the terrorism act. not to basically say that you disagree . basically say that you disagree. you mustn't support a terrorist organisation. what we have to do, though, is look at the tragedies on both sides, and we need to try and find a way forward. as you say, look for the future. my biggest concern as well is what the government's going to do as a result of it, because fear. and was edward bernays, the father of pr turn round and say, basically it's the biggest human emotion is fear, so you can sell anything through that sort of basis. if the government uses that to impose all sorts of laws on us and take away some of our fundamental rights, that's going to be a problem. >> so, i mean, do you agree with what i said? do you are you scared for the future? >> i agree with everything you said in that. >> thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> and i feel, you know, and i have to say, i speak to a lot of non—jewish british people. the silent majority are on your side. they they don't want to see jews being targeted this way. they don't want to see, i mean, let's face it, okay? it's not jewish people or israelis who are stabbing people on london bridge or beheading a soldier, okay? people are not blind, okay? this terrorism that's being imported into

europe, into this country, people are well aware of it . and people are well aware of it. and you know what you said about that evening when people were celebrating the 7th of october? i saw that too . i was watching i saw that too. i was watching that footage. i was driving past harrods. that's where i was driving. and i said, what are they all screaming? and cheering about? and i saw this flag . and about? and i saw this flag. and then i googled what had happened. i said, i can't believe it. this is disgusting. >> this is the thing was of course, palestinians now palestinian civilians have suffered. yes, but this is before. yeah, but that's the thing is this was exactly this was before that arguably nothing to do with what? >> since police didn't stop, they were beeping their horns with such lust for dead jews . lust. >> nobody should celebrate death on either side. they really should do this. >> and jews in this country, i've not seen them out celebrating. yeah, we bombed gaza today. every jew that i meet says, you know, it's really it's unfortunate this is happening. we don't want it to happen. but they're not dancing in the streets about it. and i

see this every weekend because i live in central london most of the time. and i see this, you know , this free gaza mob and know, this free gaza mob and it's turning into a cult now. it's becoming something else. you know, they're there every day, their banners and they're getting more and like, no sensitivity. it's coming up to the seventh. >> and you're right about sensitivity and what happens on both sides. people get desensitised when you see the abhorrent pictures. and i say truth is always the first casualty in any war. you see, the abhorrent pictures , you hear the abhorrent pictures, you hear the abhorrent pictures, you hear the statistics, and we get numb to those statistics . to those statistics. >> by the way, it's false that's coming out and that's why i say question everything. >> you need to question everything. >> syrian earthquakes and being fact checked saying, look, we can actually show you this is the footage that happened in syria in 2019 or something. why are you saying it's happening in gaza? >> starving actually turns out to have so much of it. we'll be back in syria. >> much of it. it's not just a little bit. i'm not saying that not children dying. there are. and it's terrible. and israel needs to do everything it can to prevent children being killed. it has to do more. i believe it

has to do more. absolutely. but they are now pushing out fake footage from other catastrophes, which, by the way, got no protests, got zero, of course. >> and you have to call it out. >> and you have to call it out. >> i choose no news. >> i choose [10 news. >> i choose no news. >> we started on this sort of base.i >> we started on this sort of base. i do a series called fake or fact on this very channel, and we had to look at those sort of stuff. we looked at some of that footage and you say, yes, it's been utilised on actually on both sides, and that's what we need to look at. so the reality is i say that we need to be pro—peace. we need to find a way forward. the point that you made in your brilliant monologue at the beginning was exactly that. there's been tragedy on both sides. we need to find a way forward. >> i would argue that one side doesn't want peace. that's one thing i would say. and of course, you could saw the people in the west. we want peace, but there's just no point saying that as some kind of no, i'm not saying you're saying a mealy mouthed way, but the point is that's not going to resolve it. and my issue is more home grown in that there is a generation of young people who have now been brainwashed, arguably, by this propaganda that they've been

seeing on tiktok. and what's not, who have bought into this idea that israel is this demon state, that how that relates to you is it's a new form of anti—semitism. that's how it's expressed nowadays. and i'm worried moving forward because as eventually, hopefully, this situation resolves itself in the middle east, what does that leave? how does that leave our institutions? as i said, the bbc, the police, our schools, our academia that stuff is now it's entrenched within the system. >> and you're absolutely right. if you kill family members, it works on that sort of basis. >> it's a two tier reporting, two tier policing. that's what's happening. so they're not reporting, you know what's happening. exactly. like you said in northern israel, as much as they are reporting what's happening in southern lebanon. and by the way , the hezbollah, and by the way, the hezbollah, they were firing rockets before israel even began to, you know. yeah, yeah. >> from october 8th, exactly 8000 plus rockets. >> but there are lots of questions to be answered. i think october the 7th was horrendous . what was known horrendous. what was known beforehand because people showed the things about people rehearsing footage and so on and so forth. a lot of people i understand, i've interviewed a lot of people from israel as

well who sort of turned around 50% of them. more than 50% don't support benjamin netanyahu. they want to find a way forward for peace. the other point to make is that obviously not all palestinians are hamas. so you can't. and looking at the tragedy on that sort of side, i also live in central london, very close to the bbc, and you see we had a fantastic community. we have the israeli ambassador there, we have america there. we have obviously lots of synagogues and so on and so forth, and everybody lived in peace until this all spilled out on that sort of basis. and the more deaths you get on both sides, the more resentment that's going to build and division as a result. >> i'd say the resentment is there for me, though, the focus is how are we moving forward now? because you have mosques, unfortunately, in this country who are preaching hate, there are this is happening on friday night. so across the country, this has been happening for the last year. these mosques are receiving before, of course, it is children. >> i don't know if you're aware of this, but jewish schools way before this, since the 1970s, have had to have extra security. and so synagogues, you know , i and so synagogues, you know, i don't see that the muslim

schools and the mosques have to have this level of security, and the jews are a minority. they are a minority in 250,000. yeah. a tiny amount. >> and it's absolutely horrendous. i say nobody should live in fear. and it's been community. >> children going to school, having to be scared. this is terrible. the government need to really crack down on this. >> i mean, arguably the tories were getting better. they dropped the ball as they've dropped the ball as they've dropped the ball many times over the last 14 years. now you have the last 14 years. now you have the labour government, then they're trying to appease every side and you can't, you can't. >> you need to call it out on both sides. there's been genocide, as you say, on what's happening with some of the palestinians. you see some of that genocide on palestinians at all. well, you talk about the number on that sort of people, people being driven out. >> when are they going to start saying that they've made it? that's not a genocide. when are they going to start saying they made a gas chamber in gaza? i'm waiting for it. they put fi harrison everything i find deeply offensive and, and, and factually incorrect. >> but again, to try and grab back to the situation, forget the middle east people here

watching this in the uk. this is our society that's being affected by this. and i believe it's our society that's being detrimentally affected by this. and steps need to be taken to address it. so that's all the point. i'm trying to raise and you make it very well. >> and i think what we need to do is we turn down the narrative. we put more light and less heat on the situation and words are offensive. and that's why i think more heat, more heat, more heat . heat, more heat. >> all right. time for a breather now. but coming up, we will assess the week's winners and losers between kemi badenoch dawn butler and james as well as culture

welcome back to saturday night showdown, and it's now time to go through the winners and losers of the week. first up in an article for the telegraph, kemi badenoch said that not all cultures are equally valid and failing to recognise that is naive. and then she robustly

defended her comments in an interview with the bbc last weekend. let's have a quick look how. >> now. >> you've written this morning about immigration and you write that we cannot assume that all cultures are equally valid. >> so which cultures, in your view, are less valid than others? >> oh, lots of cultures that believe in child marriage, for instance, or that women don't have equal rights. >> i actually think it's extraordinary that people think that's an unusual or controversial thing to say. >> well, andrew, both of you, what do you think? is she correct? >> i think it's unusual that she would say that. and of course, all cultures are valid. you can't turn around and say some cultures, it's animal farm, isn't it? you're working on that sort of basis. it's nonsense . sort of basis. it's nonsense. absolute nonsense. >> so you're saying that it's nonsense that some cultures are less valid? i mean, maybe valid is the wrong word. >> it's nonsense that that's what she's saying. if that is what she's saying. if that is what she's saying. if that is what she meant by it. i'm not quite sure the context. >> i think what she's saying is that there's this sort of idea of cultural relativism where all cultures are equal. right? and

that's just not the case because some cultures have child marriage or female genital mutilation from that point of view. so you can't say all cultures are valid. and the fact is, if you can't say all cultures are equal in that sense , cultures are equal in that sense, in a moral sense, in which case do we want cultures coming over who have different values to what we want? >> so that's that's very different. so, you know, if that's what she meant, there are certain things that absolutely wrong with certain cultures. and that's what we should tone down that's what we should tone down that sort of basis. if it's respect, then we need to call out the things which are abhorrent and against our laws and regulations. that's got to be right. >> i mean, the argument is that over the last few years, it hasn't been that way , has it? hasn't been that way, has it? it's like everything is the same values. >> and then there's expectations. i'm more worried about the expectations of these cultures, because a lot of people are coming in from the third world and their expectations of what they can get with their money is much, much lower than, let's say, what ours is or what our parents was. so, for instance, they'll make a little bit of money and then because they are used to living

in a very kind of like a small kind of room or something, or, i don't know, wherever it is that they were living in before, they'll think like, oh, if i have, like, can i afford a shoe box and share it with two other people out in the middle of nowhere in leytonstone or something, i'm winning. whereas expectations for us is completely different. so what's happening is our expectations are slowly being diminished, are being lowered. >> i guess i mean, i'm more worried about that actually. >> okay. >> okay. >> i don't think that that's the point that kemi badenoch is making. i think that she's she should. well, possibly. but i think in this particular case she received a lot of criticism from people trying to say, even saying that that statement there was racist or and it's not at all the problem. it seems obvious. >> no, the problem is this, josh, is that she wasn't very clear. and the devil's in the details. you turn around and say, everybody should be respected. that's absolutely right. but certain rules and customs in certain civilisations are wrong, as you say, like child marriage and so on and so forth. that's what we need to do. when you make a general statement, it will get misinterpreted. she's supposed

to be in politics as somebody in politics is supposed to be a clear communicator. and she should make the point, say , i should make the point, say, i disagree with this as a policy and so on and so forth. but we want to respect culture. >> more important is, is she going to do anything about it when she's in power? yeah. >> that's it. well, the other thing i think because people some people, it's not just about stopping people coming in, it's now about deportation. >> no one's talking about deportation. >> no one's got, but also no one's talking about how do we make those value systems that we disagree with? how do we actually eradicate them? like eradicating female genital mutilation, like eradicating child marriage from those particular countries? >> it's not rocket science. no, but but people bring in people from northern europe. let's bnngin from northern europe. let's bring in people from canada. let's bring in people who have bebe king people from israel who have like shared values. >> what about the british people who still maintain those values? >> it's very simple. the rules and regulations of this country need to be respected by everybody who's here, and that would deal with a lot of the issues. >> if you go to saudi arabia or dubal >> if you go to saudi arabia or dubai, i'm not going to go and start saying, no, i'm not going to, you know, i'm going to drink

alcohol and i'm going to have my hair out. no. >> when in rome, although fair enough, i wouldn't want to live in dubai. yes, fine. >> but i would respect their rules. that is a muslim country. i will respect their rules. this is a western country and you respect and that's a much clearer message than the word salad that kemi was talking about because people have missed it. >> misunderstood, understood, misinterpreted what she said. if you're clear about that, when in rome, do what romans do. that's our rules and regulations. >> i deliberately wanted to misrepresent her or misunderstand anyway. next up we have dawn butler, who's published arguably a racialist black nationalist poem in which she declares herself to be one of the chosen ones . we'll get of the chosen ones. we'll get into that in a second. and gb news very own charlie peters revealed that some of the black power activists featured in the video have been convicted of murder and rape, and journalist melanie mcdonagh said in the spectator magazine what i think she is saying is that because human civilisation originated in africa and our own ethnic origins are african, that she is a cut above the rest of us. anyway, let's have a look at this video. >> you are the wrong one. the violent one, the weird one.

whereas i. i am the chosen one because i am of the first ones. you see this skin? i'm in this beautiful mahogany brown. this skin you don't like? i believe so why are you try so hard to achieve by burning yourself in the sun? for me there's no need because i am the chosen one. but i am of the first ones i know i'm black and beautiful and african freedom fighter. my skin is my protection. and you, my friend, don't matter. >> i mean, that's outrageous. i mean , that final bit we saw, the mean, that final bit we saw, the montage of the people were like, say, some of those people are terrorists and murderers. >> yeah. and the optics are they always say on this rubbish and people. history repeats itself because people don't learn the lessons from history and they will know. dawn butler would have known that people are going to scrutinise that video . look to scrutinise that video. look who's along there. these are the people she's associating with and claiming that on that sort of basis. so it was whoever was advising her or maybe she'd disregarded them, has clearly got it wrong. >> i think also just the

forgetting even that the inclusion of those images, i feel like the message was wrong, she also talks about like how you want to burn your skin to look like us, and it's just like it's separate. it's separate. >> i do some division, i do, but i do envy black people. they don't have to worry about sunbathing and things like that. so i do sunbathe to make myself as dark as possible. she got one point there. >> well, there you go. well , >> well, there you go. well, that's this idea of being the chosen people. >> i mean, it's funny, as someone who's jewish, but but the idea of the chosen people is a very contentious idea. and in judaism, it actually doesn't come from this idea of actually being better. it's the idea is that that god, if you want to get boring about this, god offered the torah to everybody else and everyone else turned it down. and the jews finally were said, all right, we'll take it on. but anyway. but this idea chosen for what? well , on. but anyway. but this idea chosen for what? well, yeah. right. well, this is it. >> to heaven and the path and everything. no, but. but you're right to call it out. i don't think she missed it. didn't misrepresent what she thinks. i mean, she clearly thinks that.

and she clearly wants to make a video on that sort of basis. but it's the backlash to that is going to be so obvious. whenever you're saying you're the chosen one and you're not in, it's going to cause resentment. >> just like there's nothing wrong with being proud of your identity or ethnic identity, whatever it is, being proud. but when it when that proudness comes at the derision of the other, that isn't you, well, then it's then. >> but but the message is really, i'm better than you. and therefore you're a lesser person. it seems to be her message. and that's wrong. it's got to be wrong, doesn't it? yeah. >> and it's, you know, we've got the start of black history month this week and you know, and that's what she filmed it for. but it, it yes i don't know i mean some people would say that it was it was fine that she was she was just being proud of her identity and there was nothing more to it. but certainly, as you say, the inclusion of images of terrorists, murderers sort of undermines it. >> it's not good. what i find really extraordinary is the more that i speak, the more my chair goes down. so i know it's a good job. >> i'm sure it's a psychological one. if i disappear and oh, look tall, it's actually i have a

button under here. >> every time you say something i don't like , i just push it and i don't like, i just push it and you just go down a little bit. >> no, you're right. it has to be respect for everybody in the conversation. and turning around to anybody and say, i'm better than you. and therefore you're rubbish is not a good message. so from that point of view, we're talking about equality. we're talking about respect and understanding cultures and so on and so forth. certain things which are abhorrent as we say, for laws and regulations in our country need to be called out. but the principle is people, all people deserve respect. >> are you saying that all races are equal, but not all cultures? >> i'm saying all people deserve respect and i think claiming that you're much better than anybody else is wrong. >> okay, i would agree with that. except for i'd say some people don't deserve respect. terrorists, hamas, whatever. >> but i do agree. >> but i do agree. >> and that's that's their behaviour. and you're right. and we agree on that. >> okay. great. finally, james blunt has said legally changed his name to whatever fans choose. so as long as his album gets to number one in the charts, blunt mish blunt face was among the names favoured by the public . others included the public. others included blames, junt and james corden.

>> oh how funny . >> oh how funny. >> oh how funny. >> so is this. i mean, i was gonna say, is this a gimmick? >> it's a gimmick. i saw the interview on chris moyles show and this is what he says. he said he's desperate to be back in the charts again. it is desperation. he says his number one fan will be there and supporting him, but it's all going to be boaty mcboatface again, isn't it? >> did anyone offer james see >> did anyone offerjames see you next tuesday? >> no, that could be the well, no, he mentioned that. >> he mentioned that. and i won't say it here because it's far too early. >> just took me a second to put it together in my brain. >> what you were actually. yes, he did say that because people have worked on that sort of basis. >> i'm late to the game. >> i'm late to the game. >> no, actually, he's he's quite a funny guy. if you follow him on. >> it's very funny and he's very talented and he's also very self—deprecating. >> a song like 20 years ago. beautiful. yeah. that one. yeah. >> so he's got his new album out that andrew was talking about on the tube. he did . that andrew was talking about on the tube. he did. he's that andrew was talking about on the tube. he did . he's stunning. the tube. he did. he's stunning. he dribbled in anticipation. it's going to be lovely. the reality was exactly that is that he's about publicity. the fact

we're talking about chris moyles has spoken about it. the clip has spoken about it. the clip has gone viral. i'm sure he will. i hope he does. i hope he gets the number one and he'll change his name to taylor swift, and then it'll always be at number one.

welcome back to saturday night showdown with me. josh howie , a showdown with me. josh howie, a primary school that introduced a muddy play area , has apologised muddy play area, has apologised to parents after their children came home caked in mud. holsworthy primary school in devon brought in the new feature for its students to encourage them to engage with the great outdoors, but the school has now said sorry to mothers and fathers, saying this journey is new. after children were leaving school muddy. now this is slightly ridiculous. kids need to play and play in. mud is a good place, right? >> it's very good thing you have to tell the parents they're going to do it, because if you actually saw the photos, it is not just a little bit of mud and

play. they come caked in the stuff afterwards, which as a kid is brilliant. i love the fact there are 333 pupils at this particular school, so half the sign of the devil, but they're all going home. you need to talk to your parents about it so they come with appropriate kits on, and that's what they've done. and they've now spoken about it saying, okay, we're going to send the right clothes because you can work it out. they're going to school in their school uniform and they're coming back caked. and that's not the headline, is it? they sort of turn around and say, we're stopping play, which is not quite what happened. >> i actually have a bit of finally, a bit of expertise in the story here, because i was on the story here, because i was on the playground designing committee for my school, and we had a big presentation. and this is very much it's all it's all the future. the science of playgrounds now. and it's all about being hands on. it's about them playing with different shapes and objects and actually risking danger getting dirty. yes. that is, that is the protectionism of children has just gone too far , arguably. just gone too far, arguably. >> listen, i am one of those awful parents that with my kid has even a speck of like, dirt on their trainers. i'm like, get off! >> trainers cost hundreds of pounds. >> yes . yeah, that's an annoying

>> yes. yeah, that's an annoying part of me. but the other side of me is that i really do believe i agree with you. children need to. they've got to get dirty, dive into the mud and get dirty, dive into the mud and get off those screens. yeah, get in the playgrounds. get in the mud. get in the forest. >> you see nature like josh, i was also the pta president, and we used to we used to look at these things when we were growing up though. remember, they used to have these concrete playgrounds. when you fell off the slide, you'd probably break your neck, break your neck. now they have these little bouncy, fluffy stuff. you've got to get kids actually enjoying themselves. get a bit more creative, get off your screens and get playing around in mud is brilliant, but tell the parents so they can give them proper clothes. >> i'm one of the. we have a playground near the school and only about 15 of the children out of the whole school go there. they just get back to their house, put on the screen, plug their house, put on the screen, plug them in so the parents can plug plug them in so the parents can plug themselves in on their phone. >> sounds like we're unanimous here. more mud, the better. >> more mud. >> more mud. >> not on trainers, not on white trainers. >> okay, then. now sperm donors are in for a treat. a £10 treat. in fact, for the first time in 13 years, there will be an increase in the amount paid to

sperm donors from october, compensation will rise from £35 to a whopping £45. egg donations will also rise from £750 to £985. sperm is cheap. eggs are expensive , as the saying goes. expensive, as the saying goes. so andrew, that's a lot of extra pocket money for you. >> thank you. i'd like to keep my hand as they say, we can get all of our 12 year old gags out now, can't we? the reality is this, however, it's not just and they emphasise, it's not just about the finance. there's a responsibility. if you father a child, even through a donation, that that child may 1st day want to know who their biological parent is. and you work on that sort of basis. it's more for eggs because i understand that. and it's actually for those who need it. it is a fantastic service. the reason they bumped up the money a bit is to try and encourage people to come forward, because there's a lot of people who are missing out as a result, and they want to have the joy of children, seemingly a humorous story. >> but there is a serious edge to this, right? >> declining birth rate. i don't think that's such a bad thing. actually. declining population is quite a good thing. we had in

the 80s and life was better. i've always said that we had a declining population, but you need a population to pay for the more numerous old people. >> otherwise the society collapses. they bring in. >> no, no. then you bring in people on visas like dubai have well , it's people on visas like dubai have well, it's short. i do not believe that. everyone should just say, you know , i want ten just say, you know, i want ten kids. five kids, so we can look after old people. >> yeah. i don't think the sperm never ending cycle. it's not. i think it's for people who can't have kids in that sort of way, which i think they need all the help they can. >> absolutely. because people are waiting for longer now and that's that's the issue. that's why a lot of people are having challenges when it comes to getting pregnant is because they're waiting so long and wasting their time on those dating apps. just get off the dating apps. just get off the dating apps. just get off the dating apps and go talk to women guys, and everything's a bit more quicker. >> but this is really helping people who can't have children that they need ivf. >> but a lot of it is because they've waited for a long time, maybe a lot of it maybe, but and people are having children later, but they're very expensive. nothing wrong with that. i'm just saying that a lot of it is because there's a lot of dilly dallying on dating apps and getting nowhere thinking it's a shortcut, and then suddenly

you're 35, 38, 40 and it's like, it's not necessarily dating apps >> it's been our society has moved in this direction for a long time now. it seems to be more about trying to achieve some kind of financial security, that it's elusive. >> absolutely. that's the big one. >> that's the problem , people. >> that's the problem, people. now it's heating and eating. you've got those sort of choices. bringing up children is incredibly expensive. you work on that. i think somebody worked out five kids speaking to the wrong person. oh my god, they were. i think it was about a quarter of £1 million. and that's before you, even if you don't do private school fees, if you look at clothing and eating and heating and all that sort of stuff to bring up a child about a quarter of £1 million, i need to donate some sperm . to donate some sperm. >> well, you can do that. >> well, you can do that. >> obviously works. >> obviously works. >> stop buying your kids white trainers. >> oh, there you go. they get two buddy the buddy playgrounds, don't they? it's got to be good. >> very good. right. finally, back in june, a debate on the israel—hamas war at the prestigious durham union was shut down after a mob of pro—palestine activists descended on the event, reportedly banging on doors and windows and preventing attendees from leaving. the university faced criticism for the decision, with many arguing the protesters should have been deau protesters should have been dealt with instead . now, the

dealt with instead. now, the former union president took to x to highlight that the durham union has left out this year's freshers fair, calling the decision a domino effect from the debate. cancellation durham university students union is emphatic in its principles of equality and inclusion, and insists the decision was made as a result of an advertising dispute after the du allegedly failed to stamp out racism within the organisation. is this a free speech row or a simple disagreement? >> i went to durham. i can tell you how all is revealed. everything . everything is everything. everything is revealed. no freedom of speech means anything . if liberty means means anything. if liberty means anything, it is the right to tell people what they don't want to hear what we don't have. again, the devil is in the detail of this . if they're detail of this. if they're turning around and saying, you can't debate these things, that's clearly wrong. if there's a turn around about the principles and laws and regulations within the university, that's what we need to look at. what's not clear in this story is that headline. and it's very easy for people to turn around and say, look, freedom of speech was shutting that down. if that's really what's happening, that is

clearly wrong. and i'll be surprised that durham would do that. >> yes, but they have the they have the ability to do it. that's somewhat scary. the labour government, one of the first things they did was to stop this free speech bill going through, which would have enforced free speech on university campuses. and arguably, this would never have happened if that hadn't been stopped by a labour government. >> they're appeasing the mob. it's appeasing the mob again. the pro—hamas pro gaza free, free hamas, whatever it is , free hamas, whatever it is, they're just appeasing them again. they're getting bullied into it because this mob, as you said, is aggressive. this is not some peaceful, you know, let's well, they don't like debate. no, they shut it down. they shut it down so they can appease the mob again. well done everyone. yeah it's crazy. >> and it's actually even worse than that because the freedom of speech, the higher education act of 2023 got royal assent and all they had to do was to implement it. as this labour government turned around and said, we're not going to do it. >> well, there's argument there that they're saying it. people are saying it might be because of china, because there are outposts, universities in china, and that would have prevented.

or they want to prevent criticism of china . anyway, just criticism of china. anyway, just the final section to go. and coming up next on saturday night showdown, we'll be discussing a man who contacted his to bank try and get his money back after feeling disappointed by his session with two expensive escorts he hired. now, i've tried that. it doesn't work. plus, i'll show you the ice hockey brawl that

welcome back to saturday night showdown with me. josh howie. now, one brave fellow took his shot at trying to get a refund from his bank after hiring two escorts for £8,000 for a three hour gig. the customer, who felt disappointed by his experience, tried to get his money back from using barclays by barclays . using barclays by barclays. barclays by using rules designed for scam victims. barclays, who are unable to understand the exact arrangement between the man and the two escorts, advised him to pursue a civil case. disappointed by his experience with barclays, he then

complained to the uk financial regulators. but his claim was denied. and i didn't know you had £8,000 spare. >> well, i've got lots of to money spare. i've got chairs that work as well. i'll tell you what it is . section 75 of the what it is. section 75 of the consumer credit act entitles people to take action against their credit card companies. basically, if there's breach of contract or misrepresentation . contract or misrepresentation. so that's what the story is. what's not clear in this is what was the misrepresentation. what was the misrepresentation. what was he expecting? i know what it was. >> what was it? what was it? they didn't look like their photos. oh, it's always the case. i'm telling you how many you've been to a lot of schools. i looked at an escort site for women. actually, i was quite interested. and we don't have the selection that you guys have. oh , right. oh, no. have. oh, right. oh, no. >> but women. women don't want. >> but women. women don't want. >> i was expecting richard gere from gigolo. >> and what was it? more me? don't know. don't say were you not? >> now that you've said this, there's a hole in the market and all the people will be contacting you to set up this new agency. >> i think there should be, like strip clubs for women and

everything. they're all strip clubs. so there's things like you need really good magic mike. >> magic. yes. come on. there's loads of this sort of stuff and chippendales and that's a great friday night out, by the way. and a saturday night and a thursday night. >> private dancers and stuff when no one's looking. i don't want like a man to be, like, dancing all over me whilst everyone's looking at me. because i can't like, you know. so you want a private booth? is that okay? >> revealing way too much information. >> i'm sure josh and i will set up this new business. gentlemen, get in touch. we're going to sort this out. we've got. how big's the clientele? what do you reckon? is this a massive demand? >> no, it's probably just me. just on my own. >> you have one client. get in touch. >> invest right now. a russian spyice >> invest right now. a russian spy ice hockey team recently took part in a match that descended into a mass brawl, apparently after the russian spy team lost, they arrested the opposition players on charges of hooliganism, which carry a maximum prison sentence of seven years. let's have a look . at.

that. so that was the russian team. they're attacking secret server. why would you want to do that? why do they think that those were the guys to attack? >> you're so right. and these ice hockey matches are so violent normally. but they're all separate ones. they weren't all separate ones. they weren't all piling into one big lump. they're all sort of. i'll take you on and i'll take them on. >> it's extraordinary, i know, but surely self—preservation. you wouldn't want to attack . you wouldn't want to attack. >> like, i think you're probably right on that basis. i think because it's not just that. it's not just during the match. what happens after the match? well, this is what's happened. >> they've been arrested. now they're. you know, they're going to be visited in the middle of the night. yes. but then at the same time, you're in the moment, do you? i mean, you're a big ice hockey fan. >> huge, huge. >> huge, huge. >> you love it from your expression. yes. yes. you play it as well. like you're a goalie. yep. yep.

>> done all that? yep. but you haven't been here. >> i mean, not that you can necessarily accuse. i don't want to speak disparagingly of ice hockey players, but perhaps they're not the most intelligent. oh, no, they are very intelligent. >> they're very intelligent. >> they're very intelligent. >> they're very intelligent. >> they know a few. there you go. >> they know a few. there you go. >> i don't play it there on this dating app, aren't they? >> now she gets interested in the strip club. >> are there in the strip club? is that what an ice with a slice? is that what you do ? slice? is that what you do? incredible work on that basis. >> just like down some vodkas or something. >> you would think this is how they would normally do civilised way. >> it is a very varne. >> have you seen the way it is? >> have you seen the way it is? >> very. the sport is very violent anyway. it is aggressive and they do that, but i've never seen it where they all collapse on that. >> have, you know, there are millions of films where this is exactly what happens. yes. but again, it's like, i wonder if they saw this as their opportunity to take revenge. that often happens as well. well, and then then it's a sort of massively backfired of course, you know what stays on the pitch. yeah. what goes on the pitch. yeah. what goes on the pitch. yeah. what goes on the pitch is meant to stay on the pitch is meant to stay on the pitch. but imagine when people have sort of life and death decisions over you. >> i yes, i think it's a bit worrying as well. like challenging somebody to a boxing

match, which everybody seems to do now when you have a disagreement in public, you challenge like musk versus zuckerberg or stuff like that. yeah, they all try and do that. they should maybe do hockey matches fighting isn't it? >> yes. >> yes. >> it is, yes. »- >> it is, yes. >> but i'm not going to challenge the secret police to a boxing match. >> i think you're probably right. and a wise move, josh. i think that's got to be good. >> i think everybody hopefully has learned some lesson there. yes. well right up next it's mark dolan tonight. what have you got for us this evening mark. >> just how much more british territory is keir starmer going to give away? >> that's the topic of my big opinion. and more bad headlines for the bbc in my take at ten a busy two hours, we've got mark meets as well. somebody that was a young woman travelling around australia in her 20s, became a sex worker . she tells her sex worker. she tells her extraordinary story . extraordinary story. >> thank you mark, and you get an opportunity to comb your hair coming up all that's left then, is for me to say thank you to my brilliant panel. kezia noble and andrew eborn. leo will be back next week, no doubt to tell you about his adventures in australia. next is the wonderful and very groomed mark dolan. and

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>> good evening. it's 9:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight as the pm refuses to commit to the long term future of the falkland islands. can britain really survive five years of failure and surrender? a spineless sir keir starmer in the spotlight in just a moment in the big story is the assisted dying bill legalised murder? i'll be asking. britain's best known political double act, the hamiltons. my mark meets guest is the woman who tells her extraordinary life story as a normal young girl to become a sex worker. she made a fortune, but did she pay a price? and in my take at ten, the bbc in crisis as scandal hit strictly makes yet more unwanted

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