>> good evening. it's 9:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight as the pm refuses to commit to the long term future of the falkland islands. can britain really survive five years of failure and surrender? a spineless sir keir starmer in the spotlight in just a moment in the big story is the assisted dying bill legalised murder? i'll be asking. britain's best known political double act, the hamiltons. my mark meets guest is the woman who tells her extraordinary life story as a normal young girl to become a sex worker. she made a fortune, but did she pay a price? and in my take at ten, the bbc in crisis as scandal hit strictly makes yet more unwanted

headlines. it's a balls up in the ballroom and i'll be giving my judges score at ten. also this evening, tonight's top punst this evening, tonight's top pundits former conservative mp dame andrea jenkins, baron ranger of northwood, kulveer ranger of northwood, kulveer ranger and academic and self—proclaimed anarchist doctor lisa mckenzie. so we've got a lord. we've got a dame and we've got a doctor. doctor in the house. two hours of big opinion, big debate and big entertainment . big debate and big entertainment. mark dolan tonight is your perfect saturday night in. so crack open a bottle of something cold and bubbly or fire up the kettle and let's tear open those custard creams because we have got work to do. lots to get through. but first, the news headunes through. but first, the news headlines and a brand new star here on mark dolan tonight and on gb news. it's the one and the

only. katie bowen . only. katie bowen. >> mark, thank you very much and good evening to you. the time has just gone. 9:00 i am katie bowen in the gb newsroom. some sad news this evening . a two sad news this evening. a two year old boy, a woman and two men have died in two separate tragedies involving two overcrowded boats off the coast of france , french authorities of france, french authorities have confirmed. it comes as gb news can exclusively reveal that more than 26,000 small boat migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english channel so far this yean english channel so far this year, with almost half of that total making the journey since labour came to power. french media reported that the child, who died was trampled to death in a boat off the coast of boulogne. home secretary yvette cooper says she has been in touch with the french interior touch with the french interior to minister increase cooperation in dismantling criminal gangs who undermine border security , a

who undermine border security, a major policing operation took place earlier in central london as pro—palestine protesters and counter—demonstrations , both counter—demonstrations, both marking the 7th of october attacks in israel, took place. tens of thousands of pro—palestine protesters took to the streets with them , gathering the streets with them, gathering outside downing street and shouting shame on this government! the demonstrations received a heavy police presence, with the metropolitan police now saying they have made 17 arrests so far, with two i7 arrests so far, with two arrests made on suspicion of supporting a proscribed organisation . british nationals organisation. british nationals are still fleeing lebanon, with are still fleeing lebanon, with a final flight set for sunday amid escalating conflict across the region . over 250 britons the region. over 250 britons have already evacuated back to the uk on government chartered flights , and the foreign flights, and the foreign secretary, david lammy, is warning others to register now as future flights are not guaranteed. it comes as israel

intensifies its airstrikes and tonight there are reports that israeli military are urging residents in southern beirut to evacuate immediately. an israeli military spokesman said tonight israel will retaliate against iran when the time is right, while lebanese security sources are now also reporting to reuters news agency that hezbollah's anticipated new leader has been unreachable since friday. meanwhile, the uk has sent £10 million in aid to lebanon and troops are now stationed in cyprus in case of an emergency . military led an emergency. military led evacuation sir keir starmer is urging all remaining british nationals in lebanon to leave immediately . boris johnson is immediately. boris johnson is geanng immediately. boris johnson is gearing up to release his new memoir, unleashed . in a sit down memoir, unleashed. in a sit down interview with camilla tominey, the former prime minister warned it would be a disaster if sir keir starmer tries to reverse brexit. johnson also reaffirmed his belief in brexit, claiming it has given the uk the freedom to act more decisively and do

things better. let's take a listen to what he had to say if we'd been. >> norma and reeves are trying to reverse this if we'd been a rule. >> this is the key point. if we. that's what? of course they are. now, if we'd been a rules taker. yes. in at the end of 2020, 2021, we would not have been able to authorise astrazeneca and pfizer. no no no. but you keep you keep interrupting this because it's very, very important . and that was how by important. and that was how by march 2021, we had vaccinated 45% of the uk population, compared to 10%. >> part of your legacy . >> part of your legacy. >> part of your legacy. >> well, you can watch the full hour long interview with camilla tominey here on gb news tomorrow morning at 930. and finally, the northern lights could soon put on a dazzling display across the uk. recent solar flares are expected to make the aurora borealis visible, with the best chancesin borealis visible, with the best chances in scotland, northern ireland and northern england.

your greatest chance of catching the display is tonight, especially later on between 11:00 and midnight. experts advise finding dark skies and looking north to maximise your chances , as intense solar chances, as intense solar activity could push the lights further south. those are your latest gb news headlines. for now i'm katie bowen. more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to gbnews.com the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> brilliant stuff katie. we'll see you in an hour or so. a sex worker tells me her extraordinary story live in the studio. more bad headlines for the bbc and is assisted dying legalised murder? a busy show, but first, my big opinion.

legalised murder? a busy show, but first, my big opinion . good but first, my big opinion. good evening. the job of an elected government is not a complicated one, is it? keep order on the streets. protect our national boundanes streets. protect our national boundaries and preserve our foreign territories. well, chaos and disorder on our streets and illegal immigration have become the norm. and now this new government, which is proving about as popular as a in an elevator, is handing strategically significant uk territory to the allies of our enemy, ceding sovereignty of the chagos islands to mauritius, which was signed off this week, is an embarrassing capitulation which plays into the hands of china, a despotic and dangerous regime which has close trade ties with mauritius. the foreign secretary, david lammy, who represents britain overseas. may god help us, said the deal settled the contested sovereignty of the islands. well, if settled means surrendered then he's absolutely

right. but the truth is that this deal will be very costly in the long term, as we pay through the long term, as we pay through the nose to have a military base, there . and here's the base, there. and here's the kicker. the government won't even reveal the long term cost of the deal. but it amounts to paying of the deal. but it amounts to paying for something that we previously paid nothing for because the territory was ours . because the territory was ours. make it make sense. now, many have dismissed the threat of china in this region, but beijing have sought to cultivate closer ties with mauritius in recent years through growing trade and finance initiatives. and there are fears that mauritius could eventually lease the chagos islands to china. why take the chance? and now, to add inqu take the chance? and now, to add insult to injury, the prime minister has refused to say whether he would rule out giving up the falkland islands and gibraltar following this sell out deal with mauritius. when asked to guarantee that no other british overseas territories will be signed away under

laboun will be signed away under labour, the prime minister did not comment. here was his answer. >> look, the single most important thing was ensuring that we had a secure base that joined us. >> in particular uk based. hugely important to us. hugely important to us. we've now secured that and that is why you saw such warm words from the us yesterday . yesterday. >> so unusual of the prime minister not to answer the question. now, of course, the argentinian government are jubilant about the chagos islands deal with their foreign minister, diana mondino, celebrating the decision and promising concrete action to ensure that the falklands are handed back to buenos aires. and while sir keir starmer insists that the americans are happy with this deal, the times newspaper reported on friday that in fact, us officials have privately warned against the government doing this deal, saying that it could hand beijing a strategic spying post.

these negotiations look to have been a complete stitch up, with an important group historically unked an important group historically linked to the islands, the chagossians, having been completely frozen out of the discussions altogether. and with the handing over of british sovereignty happening at a meeting of bureaucratic pen pushers and not debated in or signed off by our own national parliament. so much for democracy. former prime minister bofis democracy. former prime minister boris johnson called the chagos deal crazy , adding why are we deal crazy, adding why are we doing this? sheer political correctness, a desire to look like the good guys, as if we're unbundung like the good guys, as if we're unbundling the last relics of our empire. it's nonsense . now, our empire. it's nonsense. now, the uk special envoy , jonathan the uk special envoy, jonathan powell, who was part of the talks, he defended the deal and he flippantly said the move was not significant. these are tiny islands where no one goes, he said. we're probably losing more to tidal erosion in the east coast. well, let's see about

that. and now our own prime minister cannot commit to gibraltar or the falkland islands back to me, if you can, harry. spain gave up gibraltar in 1713, but has repeatedly laid claim to the territory in spite of the islanders voting unanimously to remain british. the spanish will be emboldened now by the pm's weak words, and starmer's failure to offer any guarantees to the falkland islands. is even more egregious, given the bloodshed that we saw in their defence in 1982. under the courageous and moral leadership of margaret thatcher. what will the families of the 255 british personnel who died defending the falklands make of spineless starmer's refusal to commit to them now? did war hero simon weston horrifically burnt while serving in the falklands, suffer those injuries in vain ? suffer those injuries in vain? like the famous comedy character del boy ? the pm is flogging our

del boy? the pm is flogging our precious assets at a knock down price. this deal is far from cushty. who's running the country now? only fools . are you country now? only fools. are you concerned about this deal with the chagos islands? and are you concerned that the prime minister will not guarantee the long term future of gibraltar and the falklands? gb news. com forward slash your say. i'll get to your messages shortly, but first, tonight's top pundits. i'm delighted to welcome dame andrea jenkins, lord kulveer ranger and doctor lisa mckenzie. great to have all three of you with me and lots to get through tonight. lord kulveer ranger, let me start with you. your reaction to what i think is a terrible capitulation regarding the chagos islands and deep concerns about the future of the falklands. >> there seems to be unravelling here in terms of what the government's position is on these matters of sovereignty. and i think the chagos islands

has come out of nowhere. let's be honest, for most of us, we didn't know it was on the discussion. there may have been talks being had, and we all know that the foreign office has many things bubbling away, which they place in front of a new foreign secretary and a new prime minister every now and again to see if they can get things through. but those politicians have to be very clear where they stand with british sovereignty , stand with british sovereignty, because one domino falls and it leads to another conversation and another conversation, and we can't have people being naive about this . if you make about this. if you make a decision that hands over sovereignty of an area of space, what happens to all the other conversations that we have? so you can't disengage one and say, well, no, that's one we're doing in isolation. we're going to do this. and then if you do do that, you have to be clear about your position on everything else and what we're all looking for is leadership and clarity from our prime minister on matters of sovereignty. and i think that's what the british public are asking. but don't you think you won't get leadership from keir starmer on sovereignty? >> i mean, look, what we're

seeing with the eu is renegotiating brexit and we're going to see closer alignment. they've already said about students coming over, aren't they on the student visas again . they on the student visas again. and so he doesn't care about sovereignty in my books i'll be honest. >> do you think david lammy has has got any power to do this. >> do you think david lammy has himself has decided any of this unilaterally? i doubt it, yeah, i doubt it, you know. and do you think even keir starmer has done this? i, you know, this, these are talks that has happened for many, many years and various politicians will have come in and out of those talks. but we never talk about the state and who actually the state are , who actually the state are, because the state is still there. when governments come and go . yes. go. yes. >> and so that some people call it the blob, others call it the deep state. some would call it the civil service. >> yeah, well, i call it the state because i'm an anarchist. and i understand that that we don't i call it the blob. we don't i call it the blob. we don't just have a government that we have an actual state. >> but, dame andrea, perhaps the conservatives have a case to

answer here because it was former foreign secretary james cleverly who opened these talks, which i think cast doubt on his appropriateness for leadership of the party. >> oh , completely, mark, i mean, >> oh, completely, mark, i mean, when i was an mp at the time, i knew nothing about this. this really went under the radar, which i found quite worrying, you know, why did we do it, though? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> no, absolutely. so i think, you know , this went under the you know, this went under the radar from mps because, you know , radar from mps because, you know, i believe in our , you know, i believe in our, you know, great britain and our overseas territories and we should protect those and, and to give it away like this and to pay them to give it away as well, when we're hammering our pensioners at the moment, you could argue that the prime minister has inherited an almighty diplomatic mess. >> and what he's actually doing now is essentially creating closure here, securing access to these islands for another 100 years. so that's an important military opportunity for us. and also, he could argue that he's righting wrongs of the past because these islands were were taken over by the british people were deposed , bad things

were deposed, bad things happened. and he's making good on that. >> it feels like if that's the argument , they've drunk the argument, they've drunk the kool—aid that's been presented to them, because what you need from whether it's the foreign secretary, david lammy , and secretary, david lammy, and actually every foreign secretary before has not been captured by this agenda, whether they open discussions. the foreign secretary is the arch diplomat working on behalf of the british government, the british state and making sure our territories are secure and kept secure for britain, not handing them over unless there is a really good reason, which we don't seem to have come across so far. yes, some safety bases and etcetera , some safety bases and etcetera, etcetera. so the art of diplomacy is what needs to be done here. and what we're finding is that the first hurdle labour and this government have fallen over and handed something else. >> i think what what's happened is we've got a government that has inherited lots of different issues and problems and problems. yeah. and i think they've been a bit overwhelmed. you can see starmer looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights every day . and every time he

every day. and every time he makes a new announcement, it's always a bit weird and he's not sure what he's doing. correct. and so this what is happening now is people are worried about everything. so he's not putting any confidence in the country. so people are hearing this , this so people are hearing this, this sort of issue that's probably been happening in the foreign office for many years. and they're going, oh my god, he's given this away. >> well, at 1030 with the papers, i want to ask all of you whether keir starmer is struggling in his new role as prime minister. i think that he's under pressure. i think that interview was quite disturbing, actually. all the ums and ers , i don't think the ums and ers, i don't think the quy's ums and ers, i don't think the guy's in control. i think he's having a hard time perhaps. you know, not all of it is self—inflicted. but we'll discuss that with the papers at 1030 a couple of seconds. dame andrea, a true scandal that this has been debated and ratified by parliament. >> completely. absolutely. and i'm shocked, as you said, that we didn't know about it prior to this as well. >> no, it's definitely okay, folks. lots more to come. next up is the assisted dying bill legalised murder. i'll be asking the

>> join me camilla tominey this sunday when i interview one of the most significant political figures of our era, boris johnson. nothing will be off limits as we discuss his autobiography , unleashed and autobiography, unleashed and everything in it. >> i failed to avert megxit, but i did deliver brexit and i'm very, very happy to be on camilla tominey show boris johnson on gb news. the people's channel johnson on gb news. the people's channel, britain's news channel that's the camilla tominey show tomorrow at 9:30 am. and again at 6 pm. >> well, a big reaction to my big opinion. i'm very concerned about sir keir starmer's acquiescence to the world community handing over sovereignty of key strategic territories. how about this from father simon, who says , mark, father simon, who says, mark, the first duty of any government is the defence of the realm, the state and its people, giving our

sovereignty , our sovereign sovereignty, our sovereign territory of strategic opinion. excuse me? giving our sovereign territory of strategic importance to an enemy country such as china most certainly are treasonous. and starmer should answer for it. dennis says good evening, mark cleverly, is may in a skirt? starmer and lammy defy description and jude has messaged in good evening jude. how are you? hey jude, how are you? this is from jude. starmer is completely out of his depth. he continually gets the optics wrong, taking gifts, removing the work, the winter fuel allowance and now just handing over the chagos islands. the man is dangerous and unfortunately believes his own rhetoric. he is unfit to be pm. okay folks, it's time for this. unfit to be pm. okay folks, it's time for this . it's time now for time for this. it's time now for the big story and uk church and pro—life leaders have warned sir keir starmer that plans to introduce assisted suicide will put vulnerable people at risk. bishop john sherrington, head of

life issues for the bishops conference of england and wales, pointed to places where euthanasia has been legalised, such as canada and oregon in the united states, arguing that those territories are a warning sign. he said the legalisation of assisted suicide undermines the sanctity and dignity of human. there is now ample evidence across the world that the legalisation of assisted suicide puts the most vulnerable members of society at risk. now, in the past, foreign secretary david lammy has likened assisted dying to legalised murder, but others argue that it prevents terminally ill people from needlessly suffering at the end of their lives. let's get the views of britain's best known political double act, neil and christine hamilton. neil. parliament looked at this in 2015. it was rejected. why ? 2015. it was rejected. why? >> well, i think it's a very, very difficult issue because anybody who's ever witnessed it firsthand, somebody with some utterly debilitating and terminal illness like motor

neurone disease or terminal cancen neurone disease or terminal cancer, is torn in two ways. you don't want to see somebody you love very much continue to suffer . but love very much continue to suffer. but on love very much continue to suffer . but on the other love very much continue to suffer. but on the other hand, you think that the consequences might flow from changing the law and put vulnerable people in the position where we're a burden to the next generation. so therefore we should be put down and who knows those who are interested in inheriting the assets might put pressure upon them to sign on the dotted line for assisted suicide. so i genuinely think this is one of the issues where it's very, very difficult to make your mind up on balance, i think i come down against this bill. but, you know, my mother had a stroke when she was 89 and it was quite clear from the doctors and hospital that they just wanted to let her die. but i wouldn't accept that. and as a result, she survived. but for 18 months, having had a debilitating stroke ,

having had a debilitating stroke, she lost the use of one side of her body and had almost no power of speech. and i now wonder in retrospect whether it was just me being selfish, wanting to keep her for as long as possible. so i do see the problems that this insoluble issue actually creates, and it issue actually creates, and it is genuinely difficult. but on balance, i think changing the law will actually put a lot of vulnerable people at risk who shouldn't be. and, you know, there's no clear cut answer in my opinion , and a very unusual my opinion, and a very unusual position for me to adopt because normally i'm absolutely certain about everything. but on this one, i'm afraid i am rather undecided . undecided. >> christine, why should someone terminally ill needlessly suffer ? terminally ill needlessly suffer? >> well , rather like me, terminally ill needlessly suffer? >> well, rather like me, neil. i've been conflicted about this issue for a long time, and i used to be adamantly against any form of assisted dying because i just thought the state should not be involved in that sort of thing. but two points i'd like to make in particular. one is my

father was a gp and he would be over 100 now, and in the good old days, when somebody was terminally ill and was suffering and was clearly had not long to live and was in terrible pain, he used to just quietly administer the morphine. yeah. once harold shipman , doctor once harold shipman, doctor shipman came along, gps could no longer do that because people like my father, who had helped somebody to die under very humane circumstances, would have been had up for murder. so the sort of thing that used to happen, which was, frankly, what you might call the good old days, can't you can't do that anymore . and i've just been anymore. and i've just been talking to a friend of mine who is a vet, and two points he made to me, he said , first of all, he to me, he said, first of all, he regularly put down dogs and animals because they were suffering so badly. and you would not wish that on anybody. so the dogs were quietly allowed to die at the same time, he was nursing his mother and he nursed

his mother for 17 years. indeed. and she was in a very bad state icannot and she was in a very bad state i cannot describe. he had to do everything for her. and, you know, she wanted to die, but he she he couldn't do anything because of the law in the way that it is. and if you don't oppose those two positions, that one particular person was in, it kind of illustrates the dilemma that this bill portrays. and i'm honestly not sure, mark, if i was an mp and i had to vote on this, i'm really not sure which way i would vote, because i am still very conflicted and i think it's a very, very difficult moral issue indeed. >> and as it stands, the law is the law. so we could never advocate an individual or a physician taking the law into their own hands. and parliament is divided on this issue. neil, as is the cabinet, i'm told. so what is the difference between mps who would support this legislation and those who don't?

is it cultural, religious or philosophical? do you think it's impossible to say nora forster would find that david lammy appears to be on the side to which i lean and so maybe i should think again, because it's not left. it's not really left versus right, is it? assisted dying? >> no, it isn't, but i'm not a fan of his intellectual abilities, so i do tend to doubt whether i i've made the right decision on balance here. i mean, it is almost an insoluble question to decide because you can see the arguments on both sides . obviously, you see sides. obviously, you see terrible suffering. let's take somebody like stephen hawking, for example. i mean, would he have a have been given assisted dying by doctors? and then what would humanity have lost as a result if that had been the case? i don't know about his case. whether he ever thought that he was better off dead, but

but you know, it's cases like that that really do make you think twice about this. in my opinion . opinion. >> briefly. christine, go go on. sorry. >> no. well, i was just saying and then on the other hand, you, you hear cases and i mean, esther rantzen in recent months and years has been an incredible advocate for assisted dying . and advocate for assisted dying. and she's a very sensible, very eloquent , she's a very sensible, very eloquent, very persuasive woman. and i think she has done a huge amount to advance the cause of , amount to advance the cause of, of assisted dying . it's such of assisted dying. it's such a difficult question. i mean, we cannot play god. we cannot play god. and that is why i think on balance, i'm against it. on the other hand, the minute i think about people who are in terrible suffering, you think. but of course, there is also the third aspect, which is that people might feel granny for example, might feel granny for example, might feel granny for example, might feel that they're pushed by the children. come on, granny, wouldn't you be better

off? yes. without the suffering, you can see all that and there could easily be pressure from people who want to inherit, etc. so i think if this does go ahead, then it has to be incredibly closely and incredibly closely and incredibly carefully policed by the law. well, i completely agree and i think it's a big responsibility for the nhs . responsibility for the nhs. >> i've got to say, i know personal stories of overmedication by doctors in the nhs of very poorly patients, which i would argue is assisted suicide by stealth. neil and christine, what a treat to see you. we'll catch up soon. hopefully a jollier subject next time. the most. what do you say? britain's best known political double act neil and christine hamilton. okay, next up, as the authorities push for 70% of young brits to go into higher education, university now a waste time and money? we'll

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her extraordinary story in just a few minutes. live in the studio. that's before ten. but first, a blueprint for change, published by universities uk , published by universities uk, which represents vice chancellors, is urging the government to aim for 70% of young people to enter higher education by 2040. but given the rising cost of tuition , fees, rising cost of tuition, fees, accommodation and other expenses, unless you're planning to be a lawyer or a doctor, is university still worth the money? let's get the views of dame andrea jenkyns, kulveer rangen dame andrea jenkyns, kulveer ranger, lord ranger and doctor lisa mckenzie. now, lisa, you work in academia, so i don't want to do you out of a job. >> no, i don't want to do me out of a job. but what i do want is i want to move the focus from the 18 year old, because what we needis the 18 year old, because what we need is lifelong learning. you know, where we was trying to bnng know, where we was trying to bring that in the government. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so we want lifelong learning. we don't just want 70% of all 18 year olds to go to university so they can get into the debt, and they can get into the debt, and they can get into the debt, and they can pay for the brand new

student accommodation that's going up all over the country. what we need is lifelong learning. we need universities of , you know, that are learning. we need universities of, you know, that are learning spaces that everybody can walk into. so when they get to 30 or 40, and perhaps technology has moved on and their job is now moved on and theirjob is now made redundant, that they will have retraining and that is what those of us who work in universities that are not elite are crying out for. it's not about the 18 year old dame andrea's skills versus letters. >> after your name. >> after your name. >> where do you stand now as a skills minister? for a while and we was bringing in the lifelong learning where you had this budget last year, the life. and it's to encourage the older people, mature students to actually get a degree. and i thought that was great. but it's been stopped. but when i was the skills minister, mark, i wanted to bring a parity of esteem between vocational, technical and academia because all of them

are important for the economy. as you know, we need a skills based economy. and i think what l, based economy. and i think what i, you know , i got a lot of i, you know, i got a lot of slack for this. i said about harry potter degrees. i was purposely being provocative because i want quality degrees. harry potter. yes, exactly. we need quality degrees. it's a good outcome. the stats around how unemployable many of these graduates are are quite shocking . graduates are are quite shocking. >> and in many ways, they're being defrauded by the university authorities. and of course, they want 70% uptake because it's a business model, isn't it? >> we should touch on that because and i'm going to look at this from the perspective of someone who spent most of my career in industry looking for the skills that a business in the skills that a business in the uk and international business is looking for. and firstly , the university business firstly, the university business model is bust. you know , the model is bust. you know, the school, the fees that we're looking at, the debt that students are coming out for, whether that equates to what they can actually do through their career. >> but that's why they're trying to get more international students as well, isn't it? >> then it's a sort of defunct process of saying, well compensate by having more

international students. you'll pay international students. you'll pay more. but what we actually need to do, and i agree with andrea and you know, lisa about the lifelong learning, but it's even more than that. we have to look at what the next generation of skills that we need. and i tell you what it is, it's technology. i worked in a global business. we'd scour the world looking for where we could find the skills and people. not that they're going to the we need a model like germany. >> i mean, let's let's not get fixated on jobs and skills because an education is more than i was about to say. an education is much more than that . education is much more than that. and, you know, i am going to be quite honest, the levels of, i suppose, lack of education is quite shocking because , you quite shocking because, you know, asking sort of people to have a political debate for example, some people find that very difficult now because they're not they have no sort of skills debating skills or critical thinking skills. now that can happen in a university doesn't have to be £10,000 a yeah doesn't have to be £10,000 a year. and what we need is we need a good population that are

educated and informed and that you know, unfortunately, the universities are focusing on skills and employment and they're leaving some of the softer skills, like the humanities behind english departments are closing. >> well, they want life skills, don't they . employability skills don't they. employability skills don't they. employability skills don't they? >> what use is an english literature degree if you're out there looking for a job, if you're not going to be a teacher or an academic because it teaches you how to read and understand, how to understand a narrative and a text and that is it. is it worth 50 grand's worth of debt and three years of your life? no. >> well, no, it can be. it can be. i will not say that any degree is not worth it. depends what you do. and it can set people up for going on to do many other things . i did an many other things. i did an undergraduate degree in architecture, but i spent a career in technology, public services and delivery. who would have said that? no, but this is why we need a system. the problem here is about saying not everybody needs to go to university. we had tony blair say 50% of the population had to go. now we're hearing 70%. >> that's why i said vocational and technical qualifications as well. >> it's for me who does the clever intellectual stuff and

then who gets to do all the vocational because that always comes down to class in this country and, you know, working class people can also be philosophers. i am working class and an academic and a doctor. and if we start really pulling through those classifications, who does this and who does that? >> but i don't think there's a barrier to that. can i come in? >> sorry . >> sorry. >> sorry. >> you keep coming in the social economics front because plumbers people are getting paid an equal amount as people. so. well the plumbers are doing far better. >> sorry, andrew. look, when i was a skills minister for, what, four and a half months until rishi sunak me, you tried to make a difference. well, yes, i did, and i looked at the model in germany, and it's amazing what happens there. industry and academia comes together and the industry actually supports the students and pays for the degree. so they're coming out with the skills, what's needed. and i think we need to think outside the box and really change our system. >> those youngsters have a good chance of a job when they graduate, and they do their work experience at the same time. and

of course, the economy grows because those businesses have the skills like you said, that they need. >> let us not forget the arts as well, because we also need arts and culture. a good society needs arts and culture. so it can't just be about industry. >> and what about this figure? dame andrea of 70%? i mean, it's laughable, isn't it? i would argue that even blair's aspiration of 50% was silly because it's based upon the idea that you've only really got value if you've been to university. well, what about if you've done a great apprenticeship or some other skills based degree? >> well, i mean, i think it's a way to fix the figures. the employment figures get more people. i mean, blair did that, didn't he? he put more people into education. >> you take young people , put >> you take young people, put them into education. they're not unemployed anymore. absolutely. >> but we started to we started to say that, you know, the vocational courses, the technical courses weren't as valuable. and what we found is we need more people with those skills because we pushed people to say, you should go to university and get a degree. doesn't matter what it is. i think that was incorrect. the policy was shortsighted. it didn't really look at what the country needs, and therefore we should be more careful about how we design this. >> what happened is the government in 2011, they capped,

they said, told universities they said, told universities they could charge up to nine and a half grand. they said not everyone should , but obviously everyone should, but obviously the market decided everybody will. and then they capped it at that and then said we. and then they uncapped the numbers. so every university is now in competition with each other and so the level of education that students are getting is lowered. >> briefly how would you fix it. because this is your field. this is what you do. >> well i think sometimes you have to look at the past. it's not always about the future. we used to have polytechnics, art schools. >> no, i agree with that. >> no, i agree with that. >> you know, we had polytechnics, art schools from 1992. every university and the polytechnics all said, right, we're universities now. and actually that model doesn't always work because you have local people who want to stay locally. >> and dame andrea, you were schools minister. so how would you fix the situation? because my view is that i think the budget should be there for young people. yes, but i think it should be spread more evenly and we should get over this obsession with university and think of other ways that our

young people can be educated. >> i completely, and i was proud of our record in government, actually with apprenticeships. and i think degree apprenticeships are fantastic. and the t levels that we brought out for a while, i remember going to a northern university, so northern college and the t level students were so enthused you could bottle it because of the work experience. can i just add one thing? >> reskilling as well. we have a population that absolutely we need to look at how we will reskill. >> we are living longer aren't we? >> we are. and there's much more people can do. >> that's why the lifelong learning that we said we have to look, we need the budget for that model. >> does it naturally fit into that conversation? >> you have like a bank account that you have for your. absolutely. and you can spend the education points at different points. >> okay. fascinating debate your views. gbnews.com forward slash your say is university still worth it . but next up your say is university still worth it. but next up this is very special. my mark meets guest is a woman who tells her extraordinary story as a normal young woman to becoming a sex worker . she made young woman to becoming a sex worker. she made a young woman to becoming a sex worker . she made a fortune. young woman to becoming a sex worker. she made a fortune. but did she pay a price? this will

be a jaw interview and elizabeth g joins me live in the

looking forward to this. it's time for a very special mark meets . a young elizabeth g. was meets. a young elizabeth g. was just 22 years old and travelling around australia in need of cash when she came across a job opportunity at an erotic massage parlour in sydney. fast forward 18 years and she's built up a trusted list of regular clients, working as a high end london escort. now, she has since retired, but this extraordinary story is told in jaw dropping detail. the book is called dropping story is told in jaw dropping detail. the book is called unashamed. why do people pay for unashamed. why do people pay for sex? its author is elizabeth g. sex? its author is elizabeth g. and she joins me now. elizabeth, and she joins me now. elizabeth, lovely to meet you. lovely to meet you. >> lovely to meet you too, mark. >> lovely to meet you too, mark.

thank you for having me. >> congratulations on the thank you for having me. >> congratulations on the publication of the book. publication of the book. unashamed is the book. and unashamed is the book. and that's the name of your podcast that's the name of your podcast as well? yes . you're a young as well? yes . you're a young as well? yes. you're a young woman, age 22, exploring as well? yes. you're a young woman, age 22, exploring australia. sex work was not the australia. sex work was not the plan. >> no. it wasn't the plan. like plan. >> no. it wasn't the plan. like i was just travelling and i i was just travelling and i found myself in a position found myself in a position where, short of funds and where, short of funds and literally an opportunity literally an opportunity presented itself to me to work presented itself to me to work in an erotic massage parlour. in an erotic massage parlour. and i just grabbed the and i just grabbed the opportunity. opportunity. >> did your work there start >> did your work there start innocently , or were you were you innocently , or were you were you innocently, or were you were you sort of advanced to the more innocently, or were you were you sort of advanced to the more full on experience quite full on experience quite quickly? >> well, i suppose innocent in quickly? >> well, i suppose innocent in terms of yeah, that could be terms of yeah, that could be quite a broad perspective quite a broad perspective really, can't it? but yeah, i really, can't it? but yeah, i mean , did did did sex work mean , did did did sex work mean, did did did sex work happen quite rapidly in that mean, did did did sex work happen quite rapidly in that role. it began with erotic role. it began with erotic massage. so that was the massage. so that was the beginning of it. and then when i beginning of it. and then when i returned to the uk to do my returned to the uk to do my masters, then i upgraded to a masters, then i full service escorting agency to pay my full service escorting agency to pay my tuition fees. >> what would the difference between an erotic massage and a full service be? >> so erotic massage is

returned to the uk to do my mastto;, then i returned to the uk to do my mastto the en i returned to the uk to do my mastto the industry. and to side to the industry. and to open up people's minds to help sex workers become more accepted and less discriminated. >> do we demonise sex workers in this country? are we a bit too moralising about it? >> yeah, i think there's something about the uk we're quite i don't know when it comes to sex. we're a bit we're just not so accepting as our european friends, like a hangover from the victorian era. exactly. yes. yeah.i the victorian era. exactly. yes. yeah. i mean, i think it was the victorians that really screwed us over. really. i think you go back in history and the roman times, we were more accepted back then, i think. so obviously it was a different era for women and everything, but i don't think we're as progressive as we think we're as progressive as we think we're as progressive as we think we are now. >> have you ever faced danger in your job, your previous career? >> i mean, i was never attacked, nothing like that. there was a couple of hairy moments. but again, this is what i'm trying to show. it's not what people would think. and like i say in my prologue, i'm not denying there's a dark side to the industry, but there's lots of industries that have dark sides. i mean, you look at hollywood and harvey weinstein, correct? but hollywood aren't shamed like sex workers are. so i'm here to

say, look, it's for okay us to exist, and i'm here to fight for sex workers rights as well. >> definitely. my dad was in the pub business for four decades, serving alcohol to the public is not without risk and without peril. so. exactly. you're absolutely right about that. >> that's life. >> that's life. >> have you felt judged based upon your career choices by friends and loved ones? >> yes, absolutely. i mean, being honest about my job came with risks. >> and were you always or did you ever do it in secret? >> it was a mixed bag, to be honest, but some friendships, you know, i told earlier on and some of them didn't particularly like it. they weren't really honest about their feelings about it. and those friendships kind of dissolved . but other kind of dissolved. but other friends have been really supportive, and they're my treasures now because i really value them. >> what has your career in sex work taught you about men? >> that a lot of people are actually quite vanilla. it's not what a lot of people would think. there's a lot of lonely people out there. i think it's not all sort of whips and corsets. not at all. no. again, that's the stigma. that's the

perception. but it's just down to skin on skin connection energy that we all crave as humans. it's really that simple. >> would you have any advice to anyone in the industry that wants to get out of it? >> gosh, that is a good question. i suppose, like i say to other people in the industry, plan your finances better. i kind of wish i'd done that in the beginning. have a plan from the beginning. have a plan from the beginning. have a plan from the beginning. if you can set your finances aside and when times are busy, know that times will get quiet again as well. it's very unpredictable, so nest away when the when it's a busy penod away when the when it's a busy period was retirement hard? >> is there anything you miss about your previous vocation? >> i think it kind of just run. its course. i mean, i did it for the best part of two decades, so i turned 40 last year and i had a riding accident a few years ago, so my body's not what it used to be. so it was kind of like a natural progression. and then writing the book and, and finding my love for writing and then going down that path that kind of feels like my calling

now. how. >> now. >> definitely. well, i'm going to give details of the book in just a moment. is it difficult to have relationships when you're a sex worker? >> well, everybody's different. i can't answer for everybody, but for me, i couldn't do the two at the same time. i couldn't be in love and do the job at the same time. that's just me personally . but everybody is personally. but everybody is different. >> so does that mean that you went without really for a couple of decades? more or less. >> on and off. i mean, i'd meet someone, start seeing them, then either break up with them or go back to the sex or quit the sex work. so it was really it was a mixed bag. or if i was in a long term relationship, i'd stop the sex work as well. >> and what did the immediate family think of all of this? and perhaps your mum and dad, if they were around? >> i mean, yeah, it's everybody's different. they've reacted in different ways, but i think it just takes time to process these things sometimes. so yeah , obviously it's a bit of so yeah, obviously it's a bit of a shock i suppose, for some family members. but yeah , over family members. but yeah, over time they've kind of come to accept it. >> any regrets? >> any regrets? >> none. >> none. >> it's amazing, isn't it? it's the oldest profession. it's not going anywhere, is it?

>> no, absolutely not. it's the oldest profession in the world. it's not going anywhere. and that's kind of why i wrote the book. because, like it or not, this industry is here. >> and what about how it's all set up? would you change the law in regards to sex work? >> so i'm currently working on a campaign to amend the equality act of 2010 and to include sex workers in the protected characteristics. well , any characteristics. well, any professions really that are discriminated against. yeah. so when you look at, you know, coming to banking or employment loans and credit cards , housing, loans and credit cards, housing, i had to lie to many estate agents when i was house hunting. i'm sure you did. yeah. so yeah, it needs to change basically. >> yeah. i mean , the act of sex >> yeah. i mean, the act of sex work involves having sex with people. now, most people enjoy having sex. does a sex worker enjoy it or is it just mechanical? >> well, again, i can't speak for everybody, but for me , you for everybody, but for me, you know, i've always been sexually open. know, i've always been sexually open . and, you know, for me, sex open. and, you know, for me, sex is sensual, it's passionate. it's not seedy. so i think it's all perspective. and experiences. >> elizabeth. more power to you.

thank you. it's been a thrill to meet you. i hope this is the first of many encounters. let's plug first of many encounters. let's plug the book, folks. it is quite simply called unashamed a memoir by elizabeth gee. why do people pay for sex? and check out the podcast. unashamed of the same name and elizabeth's very noble campaign to draw attention to the plight of sex workers in this country. thank you. elizabeth. well, coming up in the 10:00 hour, tomorrow's papers, plus in my take at ten, the bbc in crisis as scandal hits strictly makes yet more unwanted headlines. find out more at ten. i got to hold on to your hats, folks, because it's pretty wild stuff. see you in two. >> a nice bright morning will generate a lovely warm day right through to the evening. boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office. after a fine day today, turning cloudier on sunday, outbreaks of rain and drizzle and then sunshine and

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>> it's 10:00 >> it's10:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight in my take at ten, the bbc in crisis as scandal hits strictly makes yet more unwanted headlines. it's another balls up in the ballroom and i'll be giving my judges score in just a couple of minutes time. also tonight , minutes time. also tonight, harry goes it alone. it's weeks since the sussexes were pictured together. is there trouble in paradise? i'll be asking the queen of us royal and political reporting kinsey schofield and developing tonight, donald trump returns to the location of his attempted assassination in butler, pennsylvania. we'll bnng butler, pennsylvania. we'll bring reaction. and if you've just joined us, here are live pictures. it is a speech that the world will be watching for

full reaction to all the big stories of the day. plus my take ten and tomorrow's papers. former conservative mp and government minister dame andrea jenkins, baron ranger of northwood, kulveer ranger and academic and self—proclaimed anarchist doctor lisa mckenzie . anarchist doctor lisa mckenzie. i've got some harsh words for the bbc and another scandal at strictly. but first, the news headunes strictly. but first, the news headlines and always brilliant on her feet. katie bowen . on her feet. katie bowen. >> mark, thank you very much indeed. and good evening. it's just gone 10:00 i'm katie bowen in the gb newsroom. a two year old boy, a woman and two men have died in two separate

tragedies involving overcrowded boats off the coast of france. french authorities have confirmed. it comes as gb news can exclusively reveal that more than 26,000 small boat migrants have crossed the english channel so far this year, with almost half of that total making the illegal journey since labour came to power. french media reported that the child, who died was trampled to death in a boat off the coast of boulogne. home secretary yvette cooper says she has been in touch with the french interior minister to increase cooperation in dismantling criminal gangs who undermine border security. a major policing operation took place earlier today in central london, as pro—palestine protests and counter—demonstrations, both marking the 7th of october attacks in israel, took to the streets. tens of thousands of pro—palestine, pro—palestine protesters marched through the city, with some of them

gathering outside downing street and shouting shame on this government! the metropolitan police are now saying they have made 17 arrests, so far, with two arrests made on suspicion of supporting a proscribed organisation . british nationals organisation. british nationals are still fleeing lebanon, with are still fleeing lebanon, with a final flight set for sunday amid the escalating conflict across the region . over 250 across the region. over 250 britons have already evacuated back to the uk on government chartered flights, and the foreign secretary, david lammy, is warning others to register now as future flights are not guaranteed. it comes as israel intensifies its airstrikes and tonight there are reports that israeli military are urging residents in southern beirut, beirut to immediately evacuate an israeli military spokesman said that israel would retaliate against iran when the time is right, while lebanese security sources are now also reporting to reuters news agency that hezbollah's anticipated new leader has been unreachable

since friday. meanwhile, the uk has sent £10 million in aid to lebanon and troops are now stationed in cyprus in case of an emergency. military led evacuation sir keir starmer is urging all remaining british nationals in lebanon to leave immediately to the us. donald trump is due to speak at a rally in pennsylvania this evening, the same place he faced a failed assassination attempt in july. it comes as the former president is urging israel to strike iran's nuclear facilities after iran's nuclear facilities after iran launched ballistic missiles in response to israeli action in lebanon. speaking at a campaign event last night, trump criticised president biden's more restrained approach, saying israel should prioritise hitting iran's nuclear sites back at home. boris johnson is gearing up to release his new memoir , up to release his new memoir, unleashed, in a sit down interview with camilla tominey. the former prime minister warned it would be a disaster if sir

keir starmer tries to reverse brexit. johnson also reaffirmed his belief in brexit, claiming it has given the uk the freedom to act more decisively and do things better. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> if we'd been . norma and >> if we'd been. norma and reeves are trying to reverse this. >> if we'd been a rules. let's say this is the key point. if we. that's what. of course they are. now, if we'd been a rules taker. yes. in at the end of 2020, 2021, we would not have been able to authorise astrazeneca and pfizer. no no no. but you keep you keep interrupting this because it's very, very important . and that very, very important. and that was how by march 2021, we had vaccinated 45% of the uk population, compared to 10%. >> part of your legacy . >> part of your legacy. >> part of your legacy. >> well, you can watch the full hour long interview with camilla tominey here on gb news tomorrow morning at 930. those are your latest gb news headlines for now. i'm katie bone more in an

hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com . the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> thank you katie. we'll see you in an hour's time. well folks, a very busy hour to come developing tonight. here are live pictures as donald trump returns to the location of his attempted assassination in butler, pennsylvania. we'll bnng butler, pennsylvania. we'll bring reaction and live pictures. it is a speech that the world will be watching . the world will be watching. plus, prince harry goes it alone . plus, prince harry goes it alone. is there trouble in paradise? lots to get through. but first my take at ten. good evening. as the world teeters on the brink of world war iii, and as brits

continue to struggle with the cost of living crisis and a new government which is proving about as popular as herpes, we must turn our attention to a famous and wealthy actress whose dance partner on a tv show wasn't very nice to her. amanda abbington, who is no doubt a lovely person and clearly a talented actress, complained to the bbc about mental and physical harassment at the hands of the italian professional dancer giovanni pernice on strictly come dancing now. this led to an investigation that lasted wait for it nine months. this isn't the bloody watergate scandal. this isn't covid contracts or the post office inquiry . this is a tv dance inquiry. this is a tv dance competition. there were two parties involved and plenty of witnesses like producers, researchers and cameramen. i could have got this investigation done in a morning. ultimately, the serious allegations against pernice were not upheld. but he has paid the

ultimate price, something that i predicted would happen in my take at ten on may the 25th of this year. you should for stand up their star italian dancer, but i think it's more likely that their next choreographed move will be to throw him under the bus. whether guilty or not, giovanni pernice has probably had his last dance , and had his last dance, and unfortunately, giovanni does look to have had his last dance. he's been banished from the show and is unlikely to return, which i think is a disgrace. his career is in tatters, even though 11 out of the 17 allegations the most serious ones made against him, including physical abuse, were completely rejected. so it seems that this centres on what he said to his dancing protege and how he treated her in training. but folks, welcome to showbiz. this is a tv program with millions of viewers. the pressure to win is

massive, the competition fierce . massive, the competition fierce. it's a boot camp in sequins. it's a boot camp in sequins. it's a boot camp in sequins. it's a tour of duty in wigs and literally, literally . it is a literally, literally. it is a military operation in high heels. and giovanni pernice is the best in the business. probably because he's just as hard on himself. he's a gifted dancer with a performance cv. as long as your arm and he's an extraordinary physical specimen with a six pack so robust you could eat your breakfast off it. he's won the competition in the past because, yes, he is a perfectionist . if you do a dance perfectionist. if you do a dance competition and you want to win, you're going to have aching limbs , grazed knees and limbs, grazed knees and a bruised ego. it will be physically and mentally draining. you're going to land on your backside. there will be bumps and scrapes, sweat , blood bumps and scrapes, sweat, blood and yes, tears. a lot will be asked of you and your teacher will be harsh as they demand the best. now abingdon clearly had a

rough time on strictly and that is a real shame. she's had a year of hell and my heart goes out to her. her mental struggles are a real concern and i hope that she's getting the best support. and it seems that pernice was at times overly harsh and verbally abusive. it's not good, but is it a sackable offence or rather, is it a quiet word in his ear from one of the producers to cool things down a bit? as the brilliant journalist allison pearson points out in the telegraph this week , pernice the telegraph this week, pernice showed extraordinary patience when guiding the profoundly deaf actress rose ayling—ellis, with the two of them ultimately winning the show. pernice also reached the final with paul daniels famous other half, debbie mcgee, who spoke of her time working with pernice fondly. others, like presenter laura whitmore, implied that she had a rough time with the italian. fair enough. so perhaps he doesn't suit all personality types, but having been

completely cleared of the more serious charges, peniche's career in this country is now over and abingdon is considering suing the bbc for trauma and loss of earnings. and who picks up the for bill that if she wins? licence fee payers ? in wins? licence fee payers? in other words, you and me. now strictly is a great show, but with other allegations against other stars dating back many years, it is now limping from one scandal to another , one scandal to another, demonstrating that bbc management have two left feet. if they carry on like this, the curse of strictly could be fatal . curse of strictly could be fatal. your reaction gbnews.com/yoursay. do you think that giovanni pernice has been thrown under the bus? should he be reinstated as a professional dancer on strictly? i think he should, but let me know your views. first up, tonight's top pundits. dame andrea jenkyns, lord kulveer, ranger and doctor

lisa mckenzie. let me tell you, i'm getting this walk across the studio is slower and slower every week. okay. dame andrea, lovely to have you in the studio. welcome to mark dolan tonight. first of many appearances, i hope i don't think that you're addicted to strictly. you'd be rather watching sort of newsnight or question time, wouldn't you. that's more your your area. >> well, it's probably because i'm so bad at dancing, you know, i'm so bad at dancing, you know, i would be like ann widdecombe if i went on there . if i went on there. >> i think you'd probably win it. but listen, we could do a foxtrot later if you like. i think this is a question about how the bbc manages its programmes, and i think it's a huge failure of management. these individuals, you know, sort of commissioning editors , sort of commissioning editors, producers, they're on six figure salaries. it's the licence fee payers who cough up the money and they're not doing their job. this is a major failure of management, isn't it? >> completely agree mark. and when you look at the huw edwards situation, i mean how they turned a blind eye, they appeared to turn a blind eye for so long. >> correct. there are allegations around huw edwards in the bbc newsroom for many years preceding the allegations

that broke in the sun completely. >> so to me, what i don't like is double standards. and it appears to me there's double standards for who their favourites are. i mean, look how gary lineker gets away with being biased all the time. >> well, he referred to october the 7th, which of course the anniversary of which is on monday as the hamas thing, which is certainly troubling. he described the rwanda scheme as having echoes of 1930s germany. he's still in post giovanni pernice a bit of a perfectionist, maybe a bit harsh with his words out of a job, and let's face it, it is italian, the very expressive italian. >> anyway , aren't they, mark? >> anyway, aren't they, mark? yeah. >> i mean, you don't mess with an italian, do you, lisa? >> no. well, i don't know. i think you can if you want to. it can be fun. it depends which one. >> i've got italian relatives and they can be quite fiery. >> it depends which one. i mean, if it was mussolini, i would probably say no. >> i don't think it was that bad, you know, although i hear he's on the next series, i think i watched strictly, i like strictly, it brings glamour and light—heartedness a bit of joy that we all need.

>> yeah, i've always liked strictly and i've got empathy with amanda abbington. actually, i think she had a really tough time because she is gender critical. she's a gender critical. she's a gender critical woman. she had said things about women spaces which were perfectly reasonable. yeah. and at the time when she went on it, she was immediately castigated by the protons lobby. so they already started on her before she even when they found out she was on it. so i think she had a really, really tough time. and i think when women speak out about things, you know, that we should listen. and it's not just because they're women. it is because we know that there are power imbalances. do i think that johnny has also been thrown under the bus? yes. and that is because of bbc poor management in the past. >> indeed. i mean, how can this happen on probably the biggest entertainment show on british tv? you've got a cameraman there, sound engineers, producers . how can

there, sound engineers, producers. how can abuse like this happen on the watch of the bbc? our national state broadcaster? >> well, i think that's why you're asking the question mark, what level is this at? you know, is this about career defining , is this about career defining, destroying, you know, traumatic etcetera, etcetera. and yes, there could be people who infer their experience , their lived their experience, their lived experience, as they now call it. has it been traumatic for them? and we should respect that. but in terms of how the bbc approaches this, it should have probably taken a firmer grip, looked at what was happening, and maybe that's how it needs to do it across the board. i think also there's another element here that who is the audience for strictly? i know, lisa, you're a fan. i like it, but i feel it plays to quite a narrow band of middle england. dare i say it, you know, and it doesn't really reach across. i've sort of dipped in and out of in and out. >> i think it's a bit snobby. is it a bit middle class? >> it feels like it plays to an audience. it does play to an audience. it does play to an audience. you tick the boxes if you played it because otherwise the rest of us are watching something else. >> yeah, i don't know. i think

sort of that 7:00 slot on a saturday evening is, you know, it's a family entertainment show, isn't it? so i think it spreads across. >> i don't see children watching it. >> i think they do. they do watch it. >> i think what i'm looking for is variation and i'm looking for something on the bbc that appeals to a huge swathe of the country. do you don't think strictly does that? >> because i would, i would say for its sins. it's one of those few shows that the whole family sits around to watch, don't they ? sits around to watch, don't they? i think, i sits around to watch, don't they? ithink, i mean, i know you're i think, i mean, i know you're watching highlights of spurs. i'm aware of. >> i genuinely am, but he's watching. >> i am watching . i'd watch >> i am watching. i'd watch anton du beke takeaway saturday night takeaway because it brings people who are just genuine into my room, and i want to see that. but strictly look, it plays to an audience. i feel it's got a bit tired. i think it needs to look, and maybe when that happens to a show, people aren't picking up on some of the other things that are problems on it. and that's why it does need to be looked at again. >> well, i tell you what, feelings are running high, although i think they should be. >> maybe on it next. >> maybe on it next. >> well, i think i want to bring back penny and i laugh at me if i did on the next series. >> i think you need to be on it,

don't you? there you go. >> well, well, i tell you what, who doesn't want to have a fake tan and loads of really nice, glamorous clothes and eyelashes? i've known you for a long time. i've known you for a long time. i think it is okay. lisa, you're very beautiful. you have a latin temperament. >> yeah. sometimes i think you'd be perfect. >> okay, look, folks, more to come. don't forget, my brilliant panelis come. don't forget, my brilliant panel is back at 1030 for the papers. but next up. listen. well, poor old prince harry goes it alone. is there trouble in paradise? plus, donald trump returns to the location of his attempted assassination in butler , pennsylvania. we'll butler, pennsylvania. we'll bnng butler, pennsylvania. we'll bring reaction live pictures. it is a speech the

tomorrow's papers on the way at 1030 with dame andrea jenkins and of course, doctor lisa mckenzie and lord kulveer rangen mckenzie and lord kulveer ranger. but first us news in the company of the queen of american showbiz, royal and political reporting . kinsey schofield reporting. kinsey schofield kinsey. good to see you again . kinsey. good to see you again. harry goes it alone. harry and

meghan haven't been pictured together for weeks now. is there trouble in paradise? >> well, i certainly think that they are rethinking some of their past decisions. this is coming from a new piece in the daily mail. there is clearly a professional divorce of sorts unravelling before our eyes, and the daily mail says it was ultimately harry's decision because his main objective right now is to be taken seriously in the charity space. i don't know if i necessarily agree with that. i believe that harry is finally taking advice from seasoned pr experts that are saying, you know what? your wife's brand is toxic to me. i don't think harry would make that that decision on his own. he's so stubborn. he sacrificed so much for meghan and i can't see him admitting defeat or admitting that he made a mistake. and in allowing pr experts to make these observations and following their direction, his hands are clean and he won't necessarily get the wrath of meghan markle. >> now . harry reportedly spent >> now. harry reportedly spent his 40th birthday away from

meghan instead hiking with his friends. is it a mistake to read too much into these stories ? too much into these stories? >> well, they do say that meghan markle is ultimately the one that planned this trip, so maybe, maybe we are being too sensitive about this , but seeing sensitive about this, but seeing him doing his favourite thing in the world, going to africa to, you know, well, the wellchild awards, i think that that is more alarming that he's at these events that are so important to him without his wife. >> of course we wish them well and let's hope that the professional divorce does not betray any tensions within the marriage. let's talk about prince andrew, who's got a headache. he's on the clock. what's going on? >> yeah, that's right. he is in jeopardy of violating the crown estate's lease rules, which specifically outline that repairs on royal lodge must be made in the to the property in regular intervals. otherwise they can terminate that lease agreement. the express reports that the duke has been given up until the end of the year, to prove that he has the financial

resources to refurbish royal lodge, or he's going to get the boot, he's going to be evicted. >> do we know what state his relationship is with his brother , relationship is with his brother, the king? because of course, the power dynamic changed following the passing of the great queen elizabeth. >> i think that they love and respect each other as brothers, but i don't. i do believe that the king thinks that his brother is a waste of resources financially, and i don't think that he thinks that his brother needs such a big space, especially when he is no longer a working royal. >> now, can you tell my viewers and listeners about somebody called rfk jr and why he's such a key figure in the race for the white house this year? >> well, i talked i remember standing in front of you in london saying, i love rfk jr. i bought my rfk jr london saying, i love rfk jr. i bought my rfk th london saying, i love rfk jr. i bought my rfk jr t shirt. he was bought my rfk th shirt. he was exciting. he was he was a democrat. that became an independent when the democrats seemed to turn their backs on him, including his own family

members. >> and of course, to just interrupt you, he's a member of the kennedy political dynasty of course. coui'se. >> course. >> absolutely. rfk son and jfk's nephew. so this is a man that just has a real rich history when it comes to politics. we all are familiar with his relatives and what they stand for and their you know, their saying today that when he decided that he was going to endorse donald trump for president instead of kamala harris, that that was more beneficial across the entire landscape, that was more beneficial for donald trump than anything taylor swift could ever say, which i think a lot of us are pretty surprised about. >> and that's right. i mean, i'm a big fan of rfk jr. he was a top lawyer who cleaned up american rivers. he's been battling against the pharmaceutical industry all their corruption , vaccine their corruption, vaccine tyranny, all the rest of it. dropping truth bombs. i think he's a very moral man, but maybe not in the bedroom. >> yeah, i know, yeah, i guess i should. i guess i should

clarify, i did love rfk jr. i don't know about anymore because at least for, i mean, in classic kennedy fashion, mark, at least four women are claiming to have had romantic relationships with rfk jr after meeting through, what, three of them? after meeting through an anti—vaccine group he chairs one of them, interviewing him when he was running for president, two sources told mediaite on wednesday that they had direct knowledge of these women women's allegations media. i saw text messages, the olivia nuzzi. this is a political reporter that really has blown up here in the states , but i retract, i retract states, but i retract, i retract my endorsement of our i retracted my endorsement of rfk jr once i saw some of the scandal unfolding. >> you've pulled out unlike rfk jr . anti—vaxxers. did he give jr. anti—vaxxers. did he give them the jab? okay , listen, them the jab? okay, listen, let's get some live pictures if we can. harry, of butler, pennsylvania. this was the scene, of course , is the scene scene, of course, is the scene was the scene at which donald trump suffered an attempted

assassination. this is a significant moment in the race for the white house, isn't it? his return to butler, pennsylvania? >> kinsley this was a promise that he made to butler, pennsylvania. you know , after pennsylvania. you know, after the assassination attempt, he was swept off stage and he promised them, i'm going to come back.i promised them, i'm going to come back. i want, i want to spend more time with you. i'm going to finish this rally. i also want to say i saw the most unfair article on the daily mail this same comment repeatedly during onrltiple events this same comment repeatedly during on the le events this same comment repeatedly yesterday about a leaked audio, during on the daily�*nts this same comment repeatedly during on the daily mail article on the daily mail yesterday about a leaked audio, donald trump joking about the donald trump joking about the widow her husband lost his life widow her husband lost his life at this at the at the previous at this at the at the previous event, donald trump gave her a event, donald trump gave her a huge check, he says on this huge check, he says on this audio. when i handed her the audio. when i handed her the check, she said , thanks, but i'd check, she said , thanks, but i'd check, she said, thanks, but i'd rather have my husband back in. check, she said, thanks, but i'd rather have my husband back in. donald trump says to the room, donald trump says to the room, you know, i know there's a you know, i know there's a couple of you that wouldn't that couple of you that wouldn't that would rather take the check. would rather take the check. thatis thatis would rather take the check. that is not donald trump would rather take the check. that is not donald trump criticising this widow. and it's criticising this widow. and it's not leaked audio. he's made this not leaked audio. he's made this this same comment repeatedly this same comment repeatedly dunng dunng

this same comment repeatedly during multiple events this same comment repeatedly during multiple events just like this one. and i thought that that was like uncharacteristically shady of the daily mail that entire article, indeed. >> briefly, if you can. kinsey, where are we at with the race for the white house? do we have a clear winner yet, or is it too close to call? >> these two are incredibly locked. this is going to be a very close presidential race. you know, it really , truly you know, it really, truly believes it really, truly is

bang on 10.3. nought time for tomorrow's front pages . and we tomorrow's front pages. and we start with the sunday express , a start with the sunday express, a headune start with the sunday express, a headline that has echoes of tonight's big opinion monologue. falklands troops on red alert british forces in the falklands were on full alert tonight after argentina vowed to recapture the islands. a crack team of soldiers has been placed on round the clock standby to intercept any attempt to make a grab for land in the south atlantic . observer next doubts atlantic. observer next doubts grow over labour's vat plans for private schools. government plans to impose vat on private schools from the 1st of january next year may have to be delayed because of warnings from unions, tax experts and school leaders that meeting the deadline will cause administrative chaos and teacher job losses and put teacherjob losses and put pressure on the state sector. also , premier league gave mps also, premier league gave mps £100,000 in free tickets. keir starmer faces a new row in the

freebies scandal, as it's revealed the premier league and top clubs handed giveaways worth more than 100 k to mps , more than 100 k to mps, including the prime minister and nine cabinet ministers during the battle over a new footballer. football regulator sunday mirror now helen helen flanagan, an exclusive former

sunday mirror now helen helen flanagan,thataxclusive former sunday mirror now helen helen flanagan,that therive former sunday mirror now helen helen flanagan,that the chancellor's indicates that the chancellor's plans to rewrite britain's fiscal rules could increase the cost of debt for consumers and businesses, weight loss injections no excuse to put your feet up, says wes streeting. widen access to assisted dying, labour mps urge and protesters with i love hezbollah banners spotted in london demo. daily star sunday world exclusive psychic beaten up by yobbo haunted doll mystical hannah rose looks after a collection of haunted dolls despite claiming one attacked her and another hides her stuff. sounds like there's never a dull moment in their house. those are your front pages. brilliant stuff. well, for reaction, i'm delighted to have my pundits this evening . we've got dame this evening. we've got dame andrea jenkyns, lord kulveer , andrea jenkyns, lord kulveer, rangen andrea jenkyns, lord kulveer, ranger, and doctor lisa mckenzie . ranger, and doctor lisa mckenzie. so many stories to sink our teeth into. but cool via the sunday express with strong echoes of tonight's big opinion

monologue. falklands troops on red alert a crisis of the new government's making. >> it is because the new government isn't clear about where it stands on sovereignty. for british territory. we've just ceded these islands to mauritius and there's a signal there to the international community that come and talk to us. if or don't talk to us, just take something. if you want to take something. if you want to take it. because our prime minister, when asked a direct question about the falkland islands, couldn't give a clear answer. >> why couldn't he give a straight answer? surely it's a no brainer to say yes. we will be keeping the falklands, given the fact that over 200 servicemen gave their lives for its defence in 1982 because he doesn't believe in sovereignty of great britain, or perhaps he doesn't know that's worse. well, what do you mean by that? what do you think he needs? a history lesson ? lesson? >> i don't think he needs it. i don't think it's a history lesson. i think that he's not across all his briefs. that's what i think has happened since when he came in, when he when he

sort of came into power. everything that has come up, he doesn't seem to be across all the brief. he doesn't seem to be a communicator. he's not communicating things to the public. perhaps he knows, but he's not telling anybody because perhaps he just doesn't know how to do it. or perhaps he just doesn't know. >> well, it's interesting you say, lisa, because, look, the job of the leader of this country is to communicate what this country stands for, what people want, how he's going to deliver it and what he's going to protect. and that's his first and primary job. and if he's not clear on those things, then the rest of the world looks at us and can say, we're a soft touch, that this new guy that's over here doesn't know how to handle things. and it's open season on the united. >> i think it was a distraction tactic as well because of all the expensive stuff. you know, the expensive stuff. you know, the donations and the stuff. on his love life, which we know the mainstream media are not touching. >> we, of course, have no evidence to back up, of course, online, i understand that, yes, but i think he probably is. >> i think he's so inept at telling a political narrative he

perhaps thought that this was, you know, a good red herring to throw in. but he's actually perhaps put the world on a stand. >> he thought it was a dead cat thing. >> i think he thought the falklands might, but as you. >> but he's used to being in opposition, isn't he, where he's just attack. attack , attack and just attack. attack, attack and actually being responsible is not being used to is it. >> yeah. i think he's not a crook. but i honestly think he's not a crook. >> i want to offer a word of sympathy to keir starmer. i mean, has he been advised by the foreign office that he shouldn't commit to the falkland islands ? commit to the falkland islands? you know, is this a wider policy, do you think, from the blob? >> yes. well, the foreign office will have its views and every department will be advising new ministers and the prime minister on things, but they have to show political sense. and also, sir keir starmer has been waiting for this job for years. it's not he's not just rocked up and gone. oh, suddenly found himself in this role . there's been in this role. there's been a build up of preparation. >> you're so right though. yeah. i mean when i was a minister, they tried to bombard you with so much information all at once

and but he can't. >> but you've got two things as a fait accompli going. you're going to agree to this completely. >> but but i mean, the amount of times i challenged him in that short space of time because you made yourself popular in whitehall. yeah. and since i'm afraid. yeah, but that's the job of politicians. >> it is a challenge that civil service is to be able to tell a political narrative. >> absolutely . that's what the >> absolutely. that's what the job is, is to sort of take on lots of ideas, lots of thoughts, and then display this political narrative to your population. but the thing is, they're with you . you. >> but he is like a civil servant, though, isn't he? >> yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> now, would would any conservative prime minister have prevaricated on that question of is the future of the falklands secure or not? >> well, not one who i support, no. 110. >> no. >> can you think of a conservative backbencher or leadership hopeful that would struggle to answer that question? is the future of the falklands secure? >> absolutely not. there would be absolutely clear that it is. it's secure. it's british territory and there's no discussion. >> it's part of our history, isn't it? >> i mean, but maybe lisa, this is grown up politics from sir

keir starmer, who thinks that it's preposterous for us to have these foreign territories, thousands of miles from uk mainland and that what we should do is right. the wrongs of the past and move on. as a country, he might think. >> i mean, he might think, is that a laudable thought? it's a laudable thought that he might think that. but as a bureaucrat and somebody that's been in the system for a long time , i doubt system for a long time, i doubt that he does believe that. i think he's just not good enough. >> i don't know, i mean, i think there's certainly an element of truth with that. but look at universities. they've had trigger notices on books, haven't they ? we've seen how haven't they? we've seen how left wing it is. so, so i think this is a culture of, of socialism . socialism. >> well i don't, i don't think anybody in any scope of imagination would think keir starmer is a socialist if he thought that about british sovereignty , he should have said sovereignty, he should have said that and he should have asked people to vote for him on the bafis people to vote for him on the basis that that's what he believes. >> that has not been. >> that has not been. >> no, but it's hidden a lot. look at the winter fuel allowance. yeah, exactly. >> andrea, is keir starmer trying to right the wrongs of

the past and the crimes of the british empire? >> i think it feels he's trying to do that. but i also think he's bowing down to civil servants. like you said. >> i don't think he's got the political narrative and he hasn't got the backbone, has he ? hasn't got the backbone, has he? >> now, you haven't revealed yet who your choice is for the tory leadership, dame andrea, and your your support for whoever, whoever makes the top two of the last two. of course, going to the membership will be quite significant, i think, because lots of people want to know who you would back. james cleverly is the guy that opened these negotiations as foreign secretary. what does that tell us about him as a politician and his political position? >> look, i mean, with james, i think that was a ridiculous thing for him to open it in the first place. i mean, as i said earlier, none of us knew about a deal with reform. >> he wants nothing to do with nigel farage. >> i mean, i think what it's trying to do is trying to pander to the one nation's because they make up most of the parliamentary party. i think that's what he's trying to do. but who i mean, i was tinkering

on robert jenrick, but in all honesty, mark, i went to conference last sunday and i don't know. >> i mean, he also said in his speech that was lauded by many that no one should pay more than 50% of their income in tax. well, if he was a true conservative, no one should pay more than about 30% of their income on tax. you know, talk about a low bar. i know exactly, but but i wonder whether that's something of an own goal for cleverly as he seeks the top job. i think taxation and conservatism needs to be looked at. >> we need to see as a party, what do we stand for? what the question of taxation. and that's a journey that we'll do. >> we need common sense conservatism. that's how we'll win the next election. >> just on the on the point where, as foreign secretary james has held several positions, the highest positions of state, home secretary, foreign secretary, he has experience of handling civil servants. he may have open discussions, but he didn't seed this argument. and in every role, he's a friend. i have to declare we've been friends since the first conference that we attended together many decades ago, and i've seen the experience, the handling. yes,

he has the charm. he also knows the conservative party inside out. he's been out there. he knows. >> so you don't think that the negotiations on his watch would have ended in the ceding of sovereignty of these islands? >> so you think that in three months this has sort of been agreed? because i don't believe that. i don't believe that. i think this is of course, i don't believe that. no, no government. i mean, they they can't put a traffic light in a road . traffic light in a road. >> yeah. why would you negotiate if the answer is no? >> andrew said that when your new minister or a minister, you're amazed at how quickly civil servants put things in front of you to say, minister, this will solve your problem. this will give you something to do. this will. and sometimes, especially when you're new and you're fresh in there, things get through. >> do you want me to give you something i've never said publicly before? yes, please . publicly before? yes, please. all right. when james was the education secretary. sorry, james. you know, i'm honest . i. james. you know, i'm honest. i. the civil servants gave me a list to get somebody onto the office for students . all the cvs office for students. all the cvs they gave me were six people who

corbynistas. i looked at them all on twitter. they're into the big trans rally. and i said to the civil servants, how many applicants did we have? 180. what criteria did you use for selecting these? and they said, we'll get back to you. and i said, well, i don't want this signing off until i've seen every cv. and i said to james, back me up with this the day before he went off to be foreign secretary, he signed it off. >> so which was, in your view, quite a dereliction of his duty. and you flagged up this issue? absolutely. and as a true conservative, he ought to have been repelled by how unbalanced and biased. >> so i think that, you know, he just signed everything off because he was going off to his new position the next day. and that's sad because that is sad . that's sad because that is sad. >> i wouldn't say, well, if we're going to do this now, let's let's get honest now. it's the honest hour. i wouldn't was on on any questions on radio four. and i was with kwame kwarteng and we were talking about access courses, which is how i went to university . and he how i went to university. and he said he'd never heard of them yet two weeks earlier he had

voted to get rid of adult education. and he did say to me, oh , i really should take notice oh, i really should take notice of what i'm doing. and that really summed up what a lot of them. they just kind of it's part of the thing. >> yeah, but but james, he is a good communicator, is full of hope, which is good. and positivity. but like i said, i just i the next leader has got to have backbone. they've got to have common sense conservatism. and i'm waiting to see that happen. >> oh well listen, we're going to come to that in just a moment because we've got a brilliant story in the sunday telegraph about the budgets at the end of october. reeves plans spell mortgage misery. plus, is labour going to have to ditch its controversial vat hike on private schools? certainly looks like they may delay it. plus, are any of the tory leadership candidates true conservatives? more truth bombs from andrea and the panel next.

more front pages have landed. let's have a look at the mail on sunday. this is a cracking story. misogynist schoolboys face terror unit probes a teenage boys face an investigation by anti—terror officers if they make sexist remarks in the classroom. home secretary yvette cooper wants teachers to report misogynistic comments to the government's prevent programme, which was set up to combat islamic extremists. even comments about a woman's place in the kitchen could be enough to spark a referral to the unit, sources said. tonight absolute madness and the sunday times gets a look at what they have to offer . pm year of times gets a look at what they have to offer. pm year of war has spread vile hatred in the uk. also, streeting strips jailed breast cancer surgeon of his £1 million pension. okay,

those are your front pages. let's have a look at that extraordinary story. lisa. misogynist schoolboys basically treated like terror suspects. >> well, i've known about this for a long time because as a university lecturer, we have to do the prevent training, right? so we have to and we have to update it every year or so. and i've got to say, i shouldn't say this . i'm i've got to say, i shouldn't say this. i'm going to say it. i have never done it right, because you don't agree with it. yes. because i fundamentally don't agree with sort of, you know, as a university lecturer that i might see a student once or twice a week, that i would then grasp them up to, you know, then grasp them up to, you know, the authorities and say that this person may be a terrorist. so i've never done it, but we are supposed to do it and give, give our opinions. >> and what are you being asked to reveal ? what >> and what are you being asked to reveal? what might their crimes be? >> well, there are many. i mean, it's sort of far right extremism. it's islamic extremism. it's islamic extremism. and obviously now yvette cooper , the home yvette cooper, the home secretary, is adding misogyny in

there . so it seems to be it's there. so it seems to be it's like all of these ideas, it's whatever is sort of fashionable or interesting at the time. it it's not substantial. it's not substantial because what it is, i'll be honest, the things that i'll be honest, the things that ihave i'll be honest, the things that i have to do is on an online course . so i am supposed to do course. so i am supposed to do an online course every year or two on the prevent programme , two on the prevent programme, and that is supposed to equip me with enough knowledge to then sort of say to the authorities that i've got a potential wrong'un in my classroom, but this has been on the labour's agenda for many years. i mean, i think it was brought in actually under the social exclusion stuff . under the social exclusion stuff. >> is it worthy to tackle misogyny? >> but but i mean, look, if i could just give an example, tracy brabin, when she was an mp and she's now the west yorkshire mayor, i called her wokie brabin. now she, she wanted to make a wolf whistling a hate crime. but i mean you get to 50

like me if someone wolf whistles i'm quite, i'm quite pleased actually. but but but i mean there's misogyny out there. yes we've got to tackle it. but but this is, this is ridiculous. i mean, it's what will it do to those young boys and let's face it, white, white working class boys are behind educationally . boys are behind educationally. they're more likely to commit suicide. go to prison, and they're going to be even more under the cosh. >> well, now now you're labelled a terrorist . if you >> well, now now you're labelled a terrorist. if you make a flirty remark or say a woman's place is in the kitchen, well, the next stage is a thought crime, isn't it? >> yeah. and i think we've got to be so careful with these things. we've already gone across all these lines where i think boys across the board, andrea, are finding it difficult in modern society to find their place. >> i've spoken we can't have a relationship at work anymore, can you? >> but even what is it doing to adults as adults? >> are you james, enjoying the show tonight? >> as as adults we're struggling. but as our youngest members of society, young males

are finding it very hard. i'm heanng are finding it very hard. i'm hearing it from fathers who've got teenagers who are very confused, concerned about what they can do, what they hear in a school or in education environment of how they should behave, how they then come home and feel that that is affecting them, how their parents are worried about young boys and what they do. this kind of stuff is not what a government should be focusing on isms in classrooms and deciding, you know, that we want to widen the but they are always picked up. >> there's no way i would have someone in my class. yes, that would be abusive or misogynistic. you would deal with it or racist or classist or disabled. i would not do that. >> but it's also the intent behind stuff, isn't it ? behind stuff, isn't it? >> most, you know, most teachers i know teach. yeah, they, they they are, they are very good at sort of talking through. >> and you would engage with the pupil or student and say, listen, you're making these remarks. can i talk to you about it? because i think you'll find it's unacceptable. >> and as a parent you would as well, wouldn't it? correct. >> i that used to happen anyway.

yeah. good teachers would do that. >> and also what about what about police resources they've got, you know, they're worried about isis and god knows what other terror threats face the country. and now they're going after 16 year old sexist boys who have watched too many andrew tate videos. well, exactly. >> look , that is that is >> look, that is that is something that does need to be looked at because there is a rise in misogynistic content out there. and we do need to look at getting that clamped down, focusing on how that's what effect that's having. but this the purpose of prevent was to look at extremism and terrorism , look at extremism and terrorism, not to look at how boys are currently behaving in the classroom. and let's be absolutely clear about purpose and impact and result. >> doubts grow over labour's vat plan for private schools. there's a surprise dame andrew. >> i mean, ijust think there's a surprise dame andrew. >> i mean, i just think it's ridiculous what they're doing. they're actually targeting aspiration. those that are trying to do the right things and lower income families. absolutely. i mean, i had two private schools in my old constituency and going there and meeting the parents, it was actually working class parents working two jobs to get their

children at these schools. >> yeah , well, i think the >> yeah, well, i think the latest figure is 10,000 kids have left the private sector already. >> they're going to have to be educated in the state. state sector with overflowing schools. lisa. >> but you support this policy, don't you? >> yes, i do support this policy. a private school is a business. and if you're being fair to other businesses that have to pay vat, i've got people in my family who's got very small businesses. vat kills them, actually . but so is it them, actually. but so is it fair that another business, you know, is, is sort of put as charity status when you're an educator? >> and i would never tax an institution that educates british kids , but they are what british kids, but they are what they are. >> i think it's a common good, but it's not a common good because we all can't go to them. no, but why should they pay vat? >> no. but why? why should they pay >> no. but why? why should they pay vat? because let's face it, they are preventing actually the taxpayer having to pay more money. so they're paying for the education anyway. >> all the schools up to standard last word say if we go by the rule that just because i

can't pay for it or i can't do that, nobody else can have it. >> no private anything, no medical cover, no special first class? no. >> it's a social. >> but choice is important. >> but choice is important. >> okay, well, look, the views are diverse on this one. >> a couple of seconds. lisa, is there such a thing as a haunted doll? >> yes. i think this is the only front page that has actually got any truth in it. >> and it's the star. >> and it's the star. >> yeah, and it's the star. i love the star's front page. >> these dolls are scary. have you kept your dolls from childhood? either of you? >> i had teddy bear's dolls used to scare me. actually. yeah. >> i've got a doll that i had. >> i've got a doll that i had. >> i've got a doll that i had. >> i been to a psychic before, by the way. >> imagine that you've been dolls tonight. >> headliners is next. i'll see you tomorrow at nine. thanks for watching. and listening. >> have a nice, bright morning. will generate a lovely warm day right through to the evening. boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office. after a fine day today , turning cloudier on today, turning cloudier on sunday, outbreaks of rain and

drizzle and then sunshine and showers into the new week. we've had higher pressure towards the east of the uk, but out towards the west. low pressure and a squeeze in those isobars indicating some stronger winds . indicating some stronger winds. so cloudy conditions across northern ireland and parts of the south—west through this evening with outbreaks of rain. it will generally weaken as it moves its way north and eastwards , but a lot of cloud eastwards, but a lot of cloud across much of the country. you may see clear skies towards the far north to allow a glimpse of the northern lights, but otherwise a breezy night. temperatures up at around 11 or 12 degrees, so to start sunday morning we've got cloudy conditions, especially across the south and west, to start the day . so a the south and west, to start the day. so a murky picture here compared to what we've had on saturday. brighter skies towards the far south and east, but cloud and rain continuing across northern ireland, parts of northern england into scotland as well. but some sunshine to start the day towards the far north. so as we go through

sunday morning, that area of sunshine across the south and east will soon be replaced by cloud, and it's going to be quite a murky afternoon for most of us, with outbreaks of rain and drizzle further towards the west. we do have an area of heavy, possibly thundery rain moving across northern ireland, wales and into south—west england, but temperatures generally staying around 17 or 18 degrees as we go through monday, cloud and rain continuing to push its way northwards. but otherwise, after a murky start , we'll start to a murky start, we'll start to see sunny spells developing. but also some frequent showers that could be on the heavy side , could be on the heavy side, especially towards the south and west. and as we go into tuesday and wednesday, it's a case still of sunny spells and scattered showers. highs of up to 17 or 18 degrees by. >> heavy showers first thing will be followed by a warm, cosy day. boxt . sponsors of

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