well . well. >> hello, good afternoon and welcome to gb news. we are live on tv , online and on digital on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion . it's mine, it's about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs, and of course it's yours. we'll be debating and discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me for the next few hours, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and also political commentator jonathan lis. oh goodness me, he's smiling already left. he's smiling. breaking news though, from earlier this afternoon. sue gray has quit her role as prime minister's chief of staff. she says that she's risking becoming a distraction. the tories say sir keir starmer's government are in chaos. are they right .7 are in chaos. are they right.7 answer my poll. it's on x. it's up right now . then in my. can we

up right now. then in my. can we really trust labour with the economy? as rachel reeves plans to ease borrowing rules? will she just crash the economy like liz truss? then the interview . liz truss? then the interview. today i'm joined by lawyer, broadcaster, author and futurist andrew eborn. look, we started off with him last week. people complained he only got five minutes because we had to go to keir starmer, so we thought we'd discuss his remarkable career from broadcasting to lawyer . from broadcasting to lawyer. he's done it all. he will be joining me later on after five. you won't want to miss it. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with lewis mckenzie . mckenzie. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> it's just gone 3:00 i'm lewis mckenzie here in the gb newsroom. and as you've just been hearing, sir keir starmer is facing fresh turmoil as his chief of staff, sue gray, has resigned . her exit follows resigned. her exit follows tensions in number 10, including

with the prime minister's chief of staff, morgan sweeney, who's now stepping into her role. >> conservative leadership contender robert jenrick says her departure exposes vicious labour infighting and claims the government is in freefall in response, downing street has announced five new senior appointments with sir keir starmer insisting the changes will strengthen his team as he approaches 100 days in office. >> the prime minister has also raised concerns that the sparks of war in the middle east are igniting tensions at home, with a sharp rise in hate crimes against jews and muslims. writing in the sunday times, he also raised fears of a direct conflict between iran and israel, which he says could have a catastrophic global consequences . the prime consequences. the prime minister's warning comes as

israel expands its airstrikes in lebanon, while the conflict with hezbollah intensifies . massive hezbollah intensifies. massive consecutive strikes have hit beirut's southern suburbs overnight, with israel claiming its forces have killed 440 hezbollah fighters in its ground operation in southern lebanon . a operation in southern lebanon. a record breaking 973 migrants crossed the english channel in a single day, to according official figures. they arrived in 17 small boats, surpassing the previous record of 882 set in june. yesterday's surge also came as four migrants, including a young child, sadly died, making the journey . the total making the journey. the total number of arrivals this year has now . reached 26,612. russia has now. reached 26,612. russia has launched more than 80 drones and three missiles at ukraine in a

significant attack overnight. it comes as president zelenskyy prepares to unveil a victory plan during a crucial allies meeting in germany on the 12th of october. this plan is expected to detail steps towards ending the war with russia . ending the war with russia. while specifics remain under wraps. us officials suggest it includes a revised request for increased military support and long—range missile systems . as long—range missile systems. as ukraine nears 1000 days of conflict with russia, boris johnson says the russian president is bad but not mad. in a candid interview with gb news camilla tominey, the former prime minister shed light on his interactions with vladimir putin, providing a glimpse into their complex relationship . their complex relationship. >> he means no good for this country. he regards the united kingdom as their among their

most important strategic foes, probably their most important strategic foes, which is a pity. but he's chosen that path, and we're now in a very, very unhappy position. and you know, what he is doing in ukraine is criminal. and it is also a mistake. it's a mistake for russia. it's a mistake for putin. >> and you can watch all the highlights from that interview with boris johnson here on gb news at 6:00 tonight. now, a new blood test that could detect 12 common cancers early is getting a major boost thanks to a £148 million investment in cutting edge medical technology. the health secretary says the funding will also help advanced ai diagnosis and personalised treatments, with research hubs being set up across universities in the uk . wes streeting, in the uk. wes streeting, himself a cancer survivor , says himself a cancer survivor, says the investment could save lives

while strengthening britain's role as a leader in life sciences . well, those are your sciences. well, those are your latest gb news headlines for now , latest gb news headlines for now, i'm lewis mackenzie. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to seven minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. i'm nana a queer. so coming up, the top story breaking news from earlier this afternoon. sue gray . yes, this afternoon. sue gray. yes, a name that we hear a lot has quit her role as the prime minister's chief of staff, saying that she risked becoming a distraction. it's very good of her. the tories say that this is evidence that the keir starmer government is in chaos, which is then

coming up, the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, what does sue grey's resignation tell you about the state of the labour party? and as today marks the eve of the first anniversary of the attacks on israel on october 7, which saw 1200 people murdered and 250 taken as hostages. chairman of the national young jewish assembly, michael roe joins me as ever. send me your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . comments gbnews.com/yoursay. all. right. so sue gray has quit her role as sir keir starmer chief of staff, plunging his government into further crisis. i mean, is this some sort of distraction? the former civil servant has been the prime minister's top aide in number 10 since labour's general election, but she's been caught up in rows over pay after her salary was revealed to be higher than sir keir starmer's. and so on and so forth, and all the disasters that appear to be happening. she

was meant to be getting them ready for government. but joining me now is gb news political correspondent katherine forster. catherine. so big news, sue gray, how relevant is sue gray to all of this. what does she do? a lot of people don't know. what does the chief of staff do? >> well, it's a really important role behind the scenes and basically she shouldn't be a story if things are going well, we wouldn't be talking about her most chiefs of staff. you wouldn't even know who they were. but like dominic cummings, that became a boris johnson sort of arch nemesis. she has very much become the story. and for people that think, oh , this is people that think, oh, this is just some westminster bubble thing, the reason it matters is because we've basically got dysfunction, things not working properly at the heart of number 10. and what we're seeing as a consequence of that is that the first three months of the labour government have been very, very bumpy indeed. we've had the donations row, which they don't seem to have been able to shut down, you know, coming at the

same time, they're taking money from pensioners and there's been all sorts of briefings and counter briefings . all sorts of briefings and counter briefings. simon all sorts of briefings and counter briefings . simon case, counter briefings. simon case, the cabinet secretary, is very important. he's off. sue gray, the chief of staff, she's off. morgan mcsweeney, who was the mastermind? if you like, between labour's big victory , where they labour's big victory, where they got over 400 seats on only 2% higher share of the vote than back in 2019, he is the big winner in this because he is going to take that chief of staff role. he previously held that role before sue gray came in. he's going to have it back now. the hope is that the prime minister will now be able to get a grip of this moving people out, that things will calm down, they will get a better operation going. certainly it's been difficult, but i think worth saying that looking back to 1997 and tony blair, we did have the

whole row about bernie ecclestone , formula one money ecclestone, formula one money being given their lobbying on tobacco advertising. so this sort of mess at the beginning of government is nothing uncommon. but of course the conservatives absolutely loving every bit of this , saying that the government this, saying that the government is in freefall. >> but did they did he really have to do it right now because yesterday we had the second highest number of migrants ever crossing this this year. and this story has now overshadowed that. a lot of people thinking, is this some sort of subterfuge to take our eye off the ball of what's actually going on? i mean , what's actually going on? i mean, there's rumours surfing around, surfacing around keir starmer and all the others. >> why right now ? well, i think >> why right now? well, i think it was going to happen sooner rather than later. that's been apparent for quite some time because there's plenty of people in number 10 deeply unhappy with her, thinking that she was basically a block between the prime minister and everybody else, people unhappy about their

salaries. of course, we had the story leaked that she's been paid more than the prime minister. so i think it was coming to a head. and why today ? coming to a head. and why today? well, we had peter kyle, government minister, on the broadcast this morning, not confirming or denying. i think it just became untenable. but as you say, nana, you know, we've had a record number of migrants cross the channel this year that's now happening on labour's watch. they've promised to smash the gangs . of watch. they've promised to smash the gangs. of course it's going to take time, but this is a crisis that the previous government couldn't get a grip of . and, you know, people are of. and, you know, people are dying. people died yesterday, including a two year old boy who was who was crushed in the boat. so it's tragic. absolutely terrible bringing, putting a child on the boat as well. >> i mean, it's horrendous. it just needs to stop all right. katherine forster, thank you very much. you'll be back in an hour for another update. brilliant, right. also joining me now is a former minister, denis macshane dm. i like to

call him danger mouse. denis macshane. thank you. eddie. what does this tell you then about the disaster that appears to be the disaster that appears to be the labour government at this moment in time? >> i got almost nothing to add to catherine. >> a very comprehensive report, andifsis >> a very comprehensive report, and it's is so typical. >> she instanced 1997 and the problems with bernie ecclestone and other accusations against blair. i was there , i was in the blair. i was there, i was in the foreign office and i was dealing with europe for tony all the time. chief of staff is an incredibly important position. he or she actually has the full number 10 communications unit in apparatus in her house. his house and now having to take all the calls , all the calls that the calls, all the calls that come in from anybody abroad goes through the chief of staff. this actually isn't understood. he is the gatekeeper and fixer for a lot of britain's foreign policy. foreign office is miles away. literally. it's literally a couple of hundred yards away. but and that wasn't sue gray strength. i don't quite know

what it was. she never ran a department. she was over 60. as the old retirement age for a whitehall person. top whitehall civil servant. and yeah, everybody has been saying for quite a long time she's become the story. and if you're a civil servant and you become the story, kiss goodbye to that particular job. >> but she particularjob. >> but she literally became particular job. >> but she literally became the story during partygate as well. it was sue gray, sue gray, sue gray. everyone talked about somebody who'd never, ever heard of, and suddenly she was the story she's been hovering around. then there were questions over when she was actually offered the job, whether she was still in links with the conservative party at the time, and still doing the partygate investigation, or whether it was afterwards. there's been controversy around her from the beginning . i mean, her from the beginning. i mean, her from the beginning. i mean, her name came up so i couldn't agree with you more. >> i was with andrew mitchell, the conservative shadow. i don't know if he's still shadow. foreign affairs spokesman, a very, very nice guy who sue grey kind of ended his career because he had a slight altercation leaving number 10 go through the

gates with a the policeman on duty about his bike. i can't remember the details, but investigation. and andrew was thrown out. >> but how did she end his career? it must have been that he did something wrong and she did the investigation. she's neutral, isn't she? it's meant to be. >> if you meet a neutral civil servant or a neutral judge or a neutral, neutral public prosecutor , please send me their prosecutor, please send me their name. i'd like to meet one before i die . she was there before i die. she was there upholding whatever she thought it was. boris johnson, of course, was prime minister. so god knows what was going on. but what i would say is that i'm slightly glad all this is happening now, because the same stuff happened at the end, particularly of the liz truss reign. it wasn't a long end, it only lasted 49 days, and then at the end of the boris johnson reign, and then finally at the end of the rishi sunak reign. so it's much better you get this kind of internal row out and sorted now, and i don't think

some of the appointments necessarily will have sorted it, but that's another debate. >> do you think, i mean, at least what you had was there was, at the beginning of the conservative reign, a level of consistency. you know, at the very, very beginning, i mean, even before boris. so at the very start, there was a smoother transition. >> are you talking about david cameron and nick clegg? yeah. well, but perhaps they ought to go into coalition with the liberal democrats. >> but you don't want this at the beginning. surely not. it's terrible. >> it's terrible at any time. it's worse at the beginning that if acas will be there reporting for you, if i'm the honour and pleasure of being back, talking to you in one, two, three years time, and still it's going on, then you know, you can ask me a glass of strychnine and i'll dnnk glass of strychnine and i'll drink it on air. but right now i'm sort of happier that all of this is getting out there . and this is getting out there. and in a sense, it's a funny tribute to sir keir starmer. he's not an old fashioned politician. he's

been trying to get elected since he since he was in his nappies. he came into the job after a penod he came into the job after a period as a chief prosecutor for britain and a long legal career doing human rights, aged over 50. prime minister now harold wilson, retired, resigned , wilson, retired, resigned, retired when he was 60, having won having formed four governments. but what's here is older than him now. well, just that that we have got quite a lot of inexperience there and a lot of inexperience there and a lot of inexperience there and a lot of this. i don't want to use the word teething troubles. i've got a new grandchild on the way. i know all about those, but it is, i think early stage stuff and i very much hope it settles down. and there's a lot of i'm not going to rattle through it. i really am not. but there are some interesting, positive things that i'm picking up vibes from. red wall seats are going down quite well on decisions that labour has been taking . that labour has been taking. >> oh come off it really well. i've spoken to a lot of people who voted for keir starmer, who are currently having buyer's remorse, more than more than

people saying how great a job he's doing. although i did listen on one radio station where people blamed the right wing press for what's happening, to always blame the right wing press daddy , you can't go wrong press daddy, you can't go wrong with blaming the right wing press. and a typical, typical the far right or the right wing press or whatever they're calling people who object to keir starmer at the moment. these days. but very quickly, denis macshane do you think that there is a risk that keir starmer could be out before christmas? >> not not in the slightest, really . yes. really. yes. >> all right. >> all right. >> well and pep guardiola will not be fired. i can't speak for the manager of manchester united because i can't even pronounce his name properly. >> so thank you denis macshane. that's denis macshane also katherine forsterjoining us, right. he just tuned in. welcome. 17 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua coming up in the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, has israel gone too far? but next, what does the sue gray resignation tell us about the state of the labour party?

are they crumbling? this is

gb news. good afternoon, 21 minutes after 3:00. welcome to gb news. we are britain's news channel. i'm nana akua and send me your thoughts. post your comments gbnews.com forward slash usa. i'll read them throughout the show, but right now it's time for the great british debate this hour and i'm asking, what is sue grey's resignation? tell us about the state of the labour party. is it crumbling? is it falling apart ? can sir keir falling apart? can sir keir starmer last till christmas? the tories seem to think so. as they say, the prime minister's losing his top aide throws his government into chaos . now she's government into chaos. now she's been caught up in rows over pay after her salary was revealed to be three grand higher than sir keir starmer's. so what does her resignation tell us now so early

on about the state of the labour party? well, joining me now, my panel , broadcaster party? well, joining me now, my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also commentator jonathan journalist danny kelly and also commentatorjonathan lisp . okay, commentatorjonathan lisp. okay, jonathan, this sue gray , she's jonathan, this sue gray, she's gone. she's moved on. >> yeah. it's not great. and it's i have been surprised and disappointed, i suppose, by how early the government has seemed to be shaking. i didn't expect or anticipate it would. it would look like this because i think that sue gray, when she was appointed by starmer while he was in opposition, most people actually applauded that as a sign that labour was growing in maturity and credibility and seriousness. she was britain's best known civil servant. she was very well respected across the political divide. before obviously, johnson started making sort of partisan attacks on her. the partygate inquiry that she released was actually sort of quite well applauded across the board at the time. so i think it was. >> but there were questions over when she started talking to sir keir starmer about crossing over

to the labour party, because it feels, it seems as though there may have been a crossover whilst she was actually doing the partygate investigation. >> i think that most people who know her and i don't know her personally, but i've spoken to people who do. they say that she's she has incredible professionalism and seriousness and she wouldn't allow her personal views to cloud any of her professional activities. clearly, there has been a lot of discord in the labour party in number 10 about the way that she has been running the show about sort of, you know, there are a lot of people with axes to grind. we've seen that with the briefings. she made some of them cry, apparently so. right. so and look, i don't know the inside story of that nana. but clearly this is a sign that labour has maybe taken its eye off the wheel and needs to make itself serious again. re professionalise and sort of get some, some more hands on deck to, to make it look like a, a unified operation because it's not good for any government, particularly a government so early on to be seeing to be seeming as though it's divided or in any kind of chaos.

>> i mean, what does she now? she's the ethics advisor for nafions she's the ethics advisor for nations and regions. >> i don't think this is ethics. i think i think i think she's appointed some kind of an envoy. envoy that's envoy for between different regions and i think andy burnham has welcomed that. look, i don't think it's i don't think it's a non—job. >> that sounds like a made up though. no one's ever had that. well, well, well, no one has had that job. >> a lot of jobs. prime minister was once a made up job. i mean, there's nothing wrong with having history with that job. >> this job as somebody who has beenin >> this job as somebody who has been in the press a lot, she's become the story and now has been given this almost what feels like a fictitious job that nobody's ever heard of. well, let's see what she does. >> let's see what she does with the job. i mean, i remember bofis the job. i mean, i remember boris johnson said that he wanted to be minister for the union, and that never really materialised. but clearly there is a need in government for someone who can bring together the different parliaments of the uk and to make sure the uk operates effectively. all right. >> danny kelly, that's really interesting about a made up job. when i was at the bbc. >> oh, i knew that was coming so early . early. >> i'm going to mention that i was at the bbc for 20 odd years whenever they got rid of a station editor, because the station editor, because the station was underperforming, the

radio figures were lousy. station was underperforming, the radio figures were lousy . they radio figures were lousy. they used to move them sideways, but because they were staff members , because they were staff members, they had to create a job and they had to create a job and they were creating jobs and there are probably 50 jobs at there are probably 50 jobs at the bbc that were created specifically so that they abided by employment legislation. you can't just sack people. you create a job and it's really interesting if the government has done this. i was watching bofis has done this. i was watching boris johnson on gb news this morning and he was still moaning about the sue gray, sue gray involvement with partygate, and he was saying that it was loaded against him, that it was biased. and even some 2 or 3 years later, 2022, i think he resigned. and that was what started the resignation, wasn't it? the clamour of all of his own mps saying, you've got to go. >> it was pincher. it was pincher that did it. no. he survived. he survived the sue gray, but it was a massive contributory factor, wasn't it? >> and so, so many conservative mps were saying you can't stand by him. and they were put under pressure, backed into a corner. and then boris johnson had to resign. so it's really interesting. a lot of emphasis is placed on the £170,000 as well. i don't think that that's

that relevant really the 100 and her salary being higher. you know, if that's what the job attracts then that's what maybe you should you should have an argument about whether keir starmer deserves more money, rather than highlighting how all the freebies he can't get anything more. but but it's the first, isn't it? the first resignation. it's really interesting. i don't think it's a rat escaping a sinking ship just yet, because i don't think labour are a sinking ship, but it's going to be really interesting to see how this story develops in the coming weeks. >> see, i said that this is the beginning of a yes. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> you did say and people said to me, oh, don't be silly. and now the chief of staff has gone sue gray. what does that tell you in your view? what that appointment by appointment, that appointment by appointment, that appointment . what about the appointment. what about the party? >> it's like a football manager. you know, the manager has bought a lousy player. you know, it's not the player's fault unless it's unless, of course, something is going on in the background that we're not aware of. maybe she is bad news. maybe people know if the story, if you become bigger than the story, then that's when you get the boot. then that's when you get the boot . and maybe keir starmer has boot. and maybe keir starmer has given her the opportunity to say, go on then, look, you're

going. but if you want to resign again, the bbc, sorry, can i just go back to the bbc? the bbc are famous for this. when they get rid of a presenter . are famous for this. when they get rid of a presenter. i was offered the opportunity to write my own press release about him again. >> he always comes to this. >> he always comes to this. >> jonathan. >> jonathan. >> when they got rid of me, they said because my contract had expired, all the other presenters were staff and they wanted to diversify the line—up. and this was an edict from the bbc in london. i was the only i was the sacrificial lamb. biggest show, biggest station, biggest, biggest audience. >> we got we got donald trump in the room . she's seen his crowd sizes. >> wait till you hear this. >> wait till you hear this. >> so i always remember my boss rang me up to say that they were getting rid of me. he goes, danny, how do you want us to tell the press? i said, what do you mean? well, are you going to say that you're going to spend more time with the family, with the business, with your car? i said , rupert, i want you to be said, rupert, i want you to be honest with them. i want you to tell them you sacked me and they had to. and the reason that they do that is twofold. a it takes the heat off them because all the heat off them because all the listeners would say, why have you got rid of danny kelly? well, we didn't he left. >> okay. but this is just your

side. sorry. this is just his side. sorry. this is just his side of the story that he's obviously not got over a bit like boris johnson going on about partygate. but that's your side of the story. that's correct. we don't have the bbc's version of events. that's correct . we'll take that. we correct. we'll take that. we will take that. >> that's the most pro bbc thing i've ever heard you say that with a pinch of salt. >> very nice of me, considering what they did to me, but no so, so , look. sorry. what i was so, look. sorry. what i was trying to get at to you before you sort of went on a tangent about yourself. yeah. was what does that tell you about the labour party? the state of the party, if she's gone, the mess that they're in at the moment. okay. do you think they're distracting us from what's going on in terms of migration ? on in terms of migration? >> here's how i will answer that in a sentence. you know, the rosie duffield, she she left the labour party. and here's my answer. and it is an indirect answer. and it is an indirect answer . if answer. and it is an indirect answer. if she was to do the honest and honourable thing and call a by—election, labour would lose it. right. and that's the answer to your question. well, the chaos the party is in last week's question. the party is in chaos. >> jonathan, final word to you . >> jonathan, final word to you. parties in chaos. you're you're obviously slightly more left leaning. you probably voted for the labour party. you don't .

the labour party. you don't. >> absolutely, absolutely. >> absolutely, absolutely. >> the labour party had no sense of buyer's remorse. as you're watching this unfold with all your principles that you have there. of course not. so you're all right with all the freebies i want. >> i want a labour government . i >> i want a labour government. i want a labour government to succeed. i'm very happy to attack the labour government. i think it doesn't meet the expectations that the country has a right to have. and that's where i'll continue . i think where i'll continue. i think they should be a lot more progressive. and look, i'll tell you one thing, if they do good policy and they actually deliver and people can see they're delivering, we're not going to be talking about this kind of stuff in a couple of years. >> that's if that's a big if. well, let's have a look at what you've been saying. philip says i think sir keir starmer has dementia. he seems to have completely forgotten what was promised three months ago. linda says good on sir keir starmer for getting rid of sue gray. why are we piling on him for that? we're not really. we're talking about the state of the party as about the state of the party as a result of it. listen, if you lose your wing woman or wing man, then that's that says something . something's going on, something. something's going on, penny says. has keir smashed the gangs yet? well, record numbers arrived. fed up with excuses and

feeling less safe by the day in this country due to this and what is happening in the middle east? well , exactly. again, my east? well, exactly. again, my thoughts. there's a level of distraction going on. do you think that keep them coming gbnews.com/yoursay right. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are live on tv, onune gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. first though, let's get your latest news headlines with lewis mckenzie . mckenzie. >> good afternoon. it's just after 3:30. i'm lewis mckenzie here in the gb newsroom. well as you've just been hearing sir keir starmer is facing fresh turmoil as his chief of staff sue gray, has resigned. her exit follows reports of tensions in number 10, including with the prime minister's chief adviser, morgan mcsweeney , who's now morgan mcsweeney, who's now stepping into her role . stepping into her role. conservative leadership contender robert jenrick says her departure exposes vicious

labour infighting and claims the government is in freefall. in response, downing street has announced five new senior appointments with sir keir starmer insisting the changes will strengthen his team as he approaches 100 days in office. the prime minister has also raised concerns that the sparks of war in the middle east are igniting tensions at home, with a sharp rise in hate crimes against jews and muslims . against jews and muslims. writing in the sunday times, he also raised fears of a direct conflict between iran and israel , conflict between iran and israel, which he says could have a catastrophic global consequence . catastrophic global consequence. the pm's warning comes as israel expands its airstrikes in lebanon, while the conflict with hezbollah intensifies massive consecutive strikes have hit beirut's southern suburbs overnight, with israel claiming its forces have killed 440 hezbollah fighters in its ground operations in southern lebanon .

operations in southern lebanon. a record breaking 973 migrants crossed the english channel in a single day, according to the official figures . they arrived official figures. they arrived in 17 small boats, surpassing the previous record of 882 set in june . yesterday's surge also in june. yesterday's surge also came as four migrants, including a young child, sadly died, making the journey. the total number of migrants arrived. arrival this year has now reached two 26,612. and finally , reached two 26,612. and finally, a new blood test that could detect 12 common cancers early is getting a major funding boost, thanks to a £148 million investment in cutting edge medical technologies. the health secretary says the funding will also help advanced ai diagnosis and personalised treatments , and personalised treatments, with research hubs being set up across uk universities. wes

streeting, himself a cancer survivor, says the investment could save lives while strengthening britain's role as a leader in life sciences . well, a leader in life sciences. well, those are your latest gb news headunes those are your latest gb news headlines i'm lewis mackenzie. more from me in half an hour and more fiery debate with nana akua after this break. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. slash alerts

>> and welcome back! if you've just tuned in this is gb news. we are britain's news channel i'm nana akua. we're live on tv onune i'm nana akua. we're live on tv online and on digital radio now. today marks the eve of the first anniversary of the attacks in israel on october the 7th.

remembrance rallies are being held today in london, manchester and leeds, and this comes as a major policing operation took place yesterday in central london as pro—palestine protests and counter—demonstrations took to the streets. well, joining me now live is the chairman of the young national jewish assembly, michael rowe. michael, thank you very much for joining michael rowe. michael, thank you very much forjoining me. thank you for having me on. >> lovely to see you. >> lovely to see you. >> so it's a very sort of poignant time that now israel are still fighting. we're still at war with hamas. and this has become a wider conflict in terms of hezbollah, the houthis, pretty much everything that begins with an h. and it's all, as we now know they are. you know, they are really part of iran, aren't they, in terms of how they're fighting. where do you stand with everything? what are your thoughts on what's been happening? >> well, there's two things to say. first of all, that a year on from the 7th of october attacks, i have to tell you, the jewish community is still very much in a state of shock. it's still very much concerned about what's going on. and we see that a year on since the attacks, really the anti—semitism, the

anti—israel rhetoric has only increased. so, as you say now, it started on october 7 with what was hamas in gaza? and it quickly has grown to this whole axis of resistance as they like to call themselves across the middle east, which is fighting israel . so israel middle east, which is fighting israel. so israel is middle east, which is fighting israel . so israel is now israel. so israel is now fighting on multiple fronts. it's having to fight this same hatred, though. this hatred is not it's not a hatred just of israel . it's not it's not a hatred just of israel. it's a not it's not a hatred just of israel . it's a hatred of jews. israel. it's a hatred of jews. and really, it's a hatred of freedom loving nations. and so the point, number one, is that the point, number one, is that the jewish community in the uk and around the world is extremely concerned about what's going on, the lack of support we're getting from the international community is very worrying for me personally, and we see it from the uk as well. a lack of leadership really, in allowing israel to tackle these problems, these systematic problems. so that's the point. number one, i think the point number two that i'd make is that we are now seeing that the attacks or the limited attacks, should i say in in israel against, against the hezbollah threat . and as part of that threat. and as part of that limited ground incursion, we are seeing israel tackle terrorists. but the rhetoric we hear from

the mainstream media, i must say not gb news, but the rhetoric we hear from the mainstream media is that israel is somehow provoking terrorists. and i think we should always remember it's the opposite that a year on from the 7th of october, the israelis do not want to be fighting on multiple fronts. they do not want to be having to move their evacuate their people out of out of homes in the north. but they're having to do that because of terrorist threats. i just think it's an important comparison to make that if the uk had faced even one day of rocket attacks on its southern border, from, from a from another country , never mind from another country, never mind if it's from a terrorist state like, like israel has been facing, they would respond straight away. we've seen israel for nearly 11 months. wait. only, only respond very, very, very, very in a very small way. and a year on from that, they've decided to go in and deal with the terrorist threat. and i think the lack of support we're getting or israel is getting from the world, from the leadership. do you think it's a problem? >> well, well, hold on. i mean, i do agree that there has been a weird pressure being put on israel to cease and desist

rather than hamas and the actual aggressors. that's my view. but you have had support from the international community. for example, the major attack . example, the major attack. you've had two big attacks from iran and the international community, jordan and everybody. we came out that did not allow that to happen. so, so, so that's not quite true. i mean, it's not i appreciate that there's a weird energy with the pro—palestinian lobby, but you have had support from the international community. >> of course, there has been some support and we're of course grateful for any support we get as as a uk jewish community. and, and i have to say, both uk governments have been very supportive of the jewish community in the uk and we've seen record investment in in security measures for jewish institutions, institutions and schools, etc. so that's been very much well received. however , very much well received. however, on an international front, the daily calls we hear for a ceasefire is not the type of support we need to see now. of course , everyone wants course, everyone wants a ceasefire, but the pressure is massively in hamas's caught in hezbollah's court for a ceasefire. it would only take hamas to release hostages, and we'd have a ceasefire in the next hour. but they will not do

that.in next hour. but they will not do that. in fact, they surround their leader with hostages. just so israel will not kill, kill the murderers, the murderers, the murderers, the murderers, the murderous terrorists who who committed the or orchestrated the october 7th attack. >> what about though ? a lot of >> what about though? a lot of people are talking about the number of people that are being killed in gaza? the figures are often changing. i think what the last one i looked at was 40,000 or 17,000. i don't know where the numbers are coming from and as you know, that possibly from hamas, which then makes it difficult to sort of believe, well, a lot of those numbers would include terrorists who have been killed. absolutely. >> that's the other. and i don't think anyone in the freedom loving world would want to see those people have still remain in this world. >> well, some people do because they were complaining about the pager attack, which was, in my view , discriminate. but i did view, discriminate. but i did hear a lot of media saying it's indiscriminate. this could have hurt a small child or but anyone with a pager would have been an operative for hezbollah. so correct. >> and in fact, also reports i've read show that israel didn't just detonate all the pagesin didn't just detonate all the pages in one go. they actually did. so systematically once they checked where the holders of the pages were, to check that no

civilians were being harmed. and i think the measures that israel goes to to, protect civilians in all of its attacks , defensive all of its attacks, defensive attacks is remarkable. i mean, no other country in the history of warfare, as far as i'm aware, has ever gone to those lengths to minimise civilian harm, dropping letters from aeroplanes, moving civilians out of the way, as i say, not killing a murderous terrorist because they could harm civilians. et cetera. et cetera. and the list goes on. and i think now we have to remember israel is defending itself rather than provoking these attacks . there was a ceasefire attacks. there was a ceasefire on the 6th of october last year. this day last year, there was a ceasefire. the next day, israelis woke up to sirens to murderous terrorists at a music festival, to their homes being invaded by murderers, by rapists. and we saw babies burnt alive . and that is when the alive. and that is when the ceasefire ended. that's when israel had to say , we have a israel had to say, we have a first. the first duty of any government is to defend its people, to keep its people safe, to keep its borders safe. and in order to do that, we have to go after these terrorists. and i think we need to see instead of the typical calls we hear from the typical calls we hear from the foreign secretary and others just calling for a ceasefire in

lebanon and for the hostilities to end. of course, the hostilities need to end. but you can't do that . you can't end the can't do that. you can't end the hostilities when you have a murderous terrorist regime on your border looking to kill you, sending over thousands of rockets. and i think we need to start seeing some grown up discussion around how we support israel to tackle this problem. >> but some people see israel as a terrorist. now that's just another view. it's not my view. i don't hold that view. but there is the argument. and even yesterday on my show, somebody said, oh, the terrorists israel. and i just thought , i don't see and i just thought, i don't see that, but what about that? you know, because we're looking at obviously now there's bombing in lebanon. people are dying there . lebanon. people are dying there. do you feel the war is getting a little bit out of hand now, baby benjamin netanyahu is slightly overstretching things or is this necessary? well, there's two points. >> just first on the on the israel terrorist state. i mean, all you have to do is to walk down the streets of jerusalem. i mean, i lived in jerusalem for a small period of time. and you will see that there are jews, christians, arabs, bedouins, et cetera. et cetera. all living together happily , peacefully, together happily, peacefully, many of them as israeli

citizens. so all you have to do is walk down the streets and you'll see it's the opposite of a terrorist state. now, if i was to go into into gaza or into into hezbollah controlled lebanon as a visible jew, i don't think i'd still be around to tell the tale. so israel is the opposite of a terrorist state. it's the only democracy in the middle east, and it's a freedom loving, loving country. now, is israel fighting too many fronts ? unfortunately, that is fronts? unfortunately, that is the nature of the middle east. at the moment. we are we see iran as an aggressor and it's encouraging its proxies all across the middle east to attack israel. so i think there's two things to say. first of all, the international community needs to work with israel to counter the iranian threat. the threat, by the way, is not just to israel. it's to the whole world. you know, iran would quite happily kill people on the streets of britain and the us and many other countries. i think we need to work seriously to tackle that threat. but i think also we need to support the israeli government. and it's not just netanyahu. i mean, the people of israel are quite united in in the fight against terrorism. there are many divisions in israeli society . that's one of israeli society. that's one of the strengths of its democracy.

and if you had those divisions in arab countries, i don't think they'd be around for very long because different opinions are not tolerated in israel. there are many fronts that's having to tackle , unfortunately. but tackle, unfortunately. but i hope the international community will work together so that we can fight those threats for the whole of the peace in the whole of the world. >> and to add to that, i'd actually like to see a little bit more pressure being put on iran and the other communities to have a ceasefire, not just on israel , definitely, because israel, definitely, because israel, definitely, because israel are the most receptive to that , that that notion. that, that that notion. >> well, iran is the head of the octopus and its tentacles are everywhere. and we need to stop that head before we can stop the tentacles, although another head might grow, unfortunately, and it might be worse than the head that you've just got rid of. >> that's that's the fear the uk has. >> a has a track record of tackling hatred and discrimination and terrorism. you know, we did it with with the nazis. we can do it again with iran. >> all right. all right. thank you so much. really good to talk to you. that is michael roe. he is the chairman of the young jewish assembly. right. this is gb news. we're live on tv , gb news. we're live on tv, onune gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. stay tuned. next, a great british debate . i'm

great british debate. i'm asking, has israel gone too far asking, has israel gone too far as the country continues to bomb gaza and launch escalatory attacks in lebanon and iran? stay tuned

listen, jonathan, telling us a story about somebody who wanted his autograph. really? why ? his autograph. really? why? well, i couldn't help it right . well, i couldn't help it right. this is your famous, aren't you? right . if you're just tuned in. right. if you're just tuned in. welcome. i can't wait to hear the rest of it. it's time for the rest of it. it's time for the great british debate. this houn the great british debate. this hour. i'm nana akua. this is gb news, where britain's news channel. and i'm asking, has israel gone too far now ? it's israel gone too far now? it's nearly a year since october the 7th attacks, which saw hamas attack southern israel, killing 1200 people and taking about 250 of them as hostages . now. since of them as hostages. now. since then, israel has continued to bomb gaza and launch escalatory

attacks in lebanon. but of course, gaza. hamas have continued to bomb israel as well. so let's be clear that this is a thing that is happening on both sides now. lebanon and iran also, they've been bombing the israelis, have been bombing the israelis, have been bombing the israelis, have been bombing them because they're trying to eliminate hamas, hezbollah , and of course, hamas, hezbollah, and of course, the houthis. but have we gone too far? has israel gone too far? the pope has suggested israel has been immoral and disproportionate, saying its military domination has gone beyond the rules of war. whilst the un's international court of justice says that the country has violated international law. so for the great british debate this out, i'm asking you that question. do you think they have? well, joining me now , have? well, joining me now, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also political commentator jonathan, liz, kelly and also political commentatorjonathan, liz, danny kelly, i will come to you first. >> look, if the pope thinks they've gone too far, if international bodies think they've gone too far, if they've violated international law, what do you . macron i'm getting to do you. macron i'm getting to it. if all of these senior worldwide figures think that. yes, i think they're going too

far. >> i think what would you do. imagine you're in a territorial you're being attacked . you know, you're being attacked. you know, the head of the snake is actually iran that is supplying all these different factions . all these different factions. and iran a very, very wealthy. these factions are all attacking because they have backing of iran. and we know that is the case now because iran have directly attacked israel in a manner that would have literally destroyed the country had the international community not got together. so what would you say? >> i would back off the it seems to me , indiscriminate nature of to me, indiscriminate nature of the bombing. i would back off. >> i think biden it's not is it what you're saying? israel's indiscriminate. >> they bombed iran, a mosque and a school in gaza. 26 people lost their lives. >> but if your enemy is hiding in there amongst the civilians, then what do you do? do you just leave them? >> i think i wonder whether there is a real and present danger to israel as we are led to believe. and i think that , to believe. and i think that, you know, yeah, because people are saying that there's going to be a duplicate of the october the 7th. >> well, there may well be

they've said they will do it again. >> i know they have, but i don't think i think israel would, would be on their guard and i worry about a middle east escalation. it's an impossible question to answer because you've got to pick a side, haven't you? you've got to pick either the israeli side and their right to exist, which i am an advocate of. i understand, and i support the israeli right to exist and to defend themselves. >> okay. but what you've just said there means that they that's exactly what they're doing. >> i think biden's summed it up. i think they should back off and biden summed it up for me when they successfully knocked out 99% of these flying drones and biden said, take it as a win. bebe and bebe didn't. >> he went, well, it doesn't work like that, though, because the war is still raging and the only person you've silenced are israel and not everything around them. jonathan. liz. >> well, it's not going to be much of a debate. i'm afraid, because i agree with most of what danny just said. >> so you're arguing with me? that's fine. let's do this. let's do this. >> look, if you are invading a sovereign country and that country is going to fight back,

if lebanon was in lebanon, if lebanon was invading israel with a ground force, we would absolutely be condemning that completely. rightly so . israel completely. rightly so. israel should not be invading other sovereign nations . sovereign nations. >> well, even if that nation is creating a situation where israel cannot put its people. so about 60 to 80,000 people have been moved from their border because of the fighting. >> on the other side, nana people in southern lebanon can't live in their homes either without fear of being, well, perhaps they should consider stopping. perhaps we should consider a diplomatic solution. but endless war is not the answer. >> but you know what they said there? they said, we'll continue to fire rockets until israel stop their fight with hamas. but of course, hamas won't stop the fight with israel. >> i think that they said there needs to be a ceasefire. yeah, they did. that's what they said. and that's not a controversial opinion. pretty much all major world leaders. there needs to be ceasefire , an immediate ceasefire. >> they only called. they only appear to be calling it on israel. and this is my issue. >> no, no, a ceasefire is both sides. a ceasefire has to be both sides. by definition. no one's saying a ceasefire, which is israel, has to stop firing in

bazball. hamas can carry on. no one's saying that. >> well, i'd like to see more pressure put on all the other nafions pressure put on all the other nations to stop and stop this war as well. but what do you think, gbnews.com/yoursay next? my think, gbnews.com/yoursay next? my niggle. nana niggle. it's on rachel reeves and her plans for the economy. is she the new liz truss? we all remember how that ended. stay tuned. that is on the way next. but first let's get an update with your weather. >> ooh, a chilly start will give way to a lovely warm afternoon. boxt heat pumps sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good afternoon and welcome to your gb news. weather update from the met office. a lot cloudier out there this afternoon but brighter tomorrow with sunshine and showers before turning colder as we end the new week. so low pressure is dominating out towards the west. we've got frontal systems

bringing cloud and outbreaks of rain. so through this afternoon cloud and rain will continue to push its way north and eastwards, coming into northern parts of england. and then later on into parts of scotland . on into parts of scotland. further towards the west. it will turn a bit drier , with will turn a bit drier, with clearer skies developing, but also some showers pushing through as well . otherwise the through as well. otherwise the towns and cities holding up generally at around 10 or 11 degrees to start monday morning. but it's going to be a damp and gloomy start across much of scotland, with outbreaks of rain continuing through the morning and into the afternoon. we've also got an easterly wind, so a chilly feel here underneath the cloud and rain across northern ireland. we may see some sunshine to start the morning, especially towards the west , but especially towards the west, but we have got showery outbreaks of rain across north western parts of england towards the south. some bright skies to start the morning, but also some showers. so through the rest of monday morning cloudy conditions remain

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>> well. >> well. >> good afternoon . welcome. it's >> good afternoon. welcome. it's just coming up to 4:00. this is gb news. we're live on tv, onune gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me for the next few hours, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also political commentator jonathan lis. right. breaking news from earlier this afternoon. sue gray has quit her role as the prime minister's chief of staff, saying that she's risked becoming a distraction. now the tories say that sir keir starmer's government are in chaos. are they right? you can answer that in my poll on x. it is up right now. answer that in my poll on x. it is up right now . then in my is up right now. then in my niggle, which is coming up next, can we really trust labour with the economy as rachel reeves plans to ease borrowing rules? will she just crash it like liz

truss then? is the interview . truss then? is the interview. today i'm joined by lawyer, broadcaster and futurist andrew eborn. yes, he was here last week, but he only got a few minutes because then he was interrupted by keir starmer's speech. interrupted by keir starmer's speech . so he's going to give us speech. so he's going to give us the rest of his story and discuss his remarkable career from broadcaster to lawyer. he's done pretty much everything. you will not want to miss that. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with lewis mckenzie . mckenzie. >> good afternoon. it's 4:00. i'm lewis mckenzie here in the gb newsroom. sir keir starmer is facing fresh turmoil as his chief of staff, sue gray, resigns her exit follows reports of tensions in number 10, including with the prime minister's chief adviser, morgan mcsweeney, who is now stepping in to replace her in the role. conservative leadership contender robert jenrick says her departure exposes vicious

labour infighting and claims the government is in freefall. in response, downing street has announced five new senior appointments with sir keir starmer insisting the changes will strengthen his team as he approaches 100 days in office. the prime minister has also raised concerns that the sparks of war in the middle east are igniting tensions at home, with a sharp rise in hate crimes against jews and muslims. writing in the sunday times, he also raised fears of a direct conflict between iran and israel, which he says could have catastrophic global consequences . catastrophic global consequences. pm's warning comes as israel expands its airstrikes in lebanon, while the conflict with hezbollah intensifies . massive hezbollah intensifies. massive consecutive strikes have hit beirut's southern suburbs overnight, with israel claiming its forces have killed 440 hezbollah fighters in its ground offensive operation in southern

lebanon . a record breaking 973 lebanon. a record breaking 973 migrants crossed the english channelin migrants crossed the english channel in a single day, according to the official figures. they arrived in 17 small boats, surpassing the previous record of 882 set in june of this year. yesterday's surge also came as four migrants, including a young child, sadly died making the journey. the total number of arrivals now this year has reached 26,000. russia has launched more than 80 drones and three missiles at ukraine in a significant overnight attack. it comes as president zelenskyy prepares to unveil a victory plan during a crucial allies meeting in germany on the 12th of october. this plan is expected to detail steps towards ending its war with russia, while specifics remain under wraps, us officials suggest it

includes a revised request for increased military support and long—range missile systems, as ukraine nears 1000 days of conflict with russia . boris conflict with russia. boris johnson says the russian president is bad, not mad. in a candid interview with gb news camilla tominey, the former prime minister shed some light on his interactions with vladimir putin, providing a glimpse into their complex relationship . relationship. >> he means no for good this country, he regards the united kingdom as their among their most important strategic foes, probably their most important strategic foes, which is a pity. but he's chosen that path, and we're now in a very, very unhappy position. and you know, what he is doing in ukraine is criminal. and it is also a mistake. it's a mistake for russia. it's a mistake for putin.

>> and you can watch all the highlights from that interview with boris johnson here on gb news at 6:00 tonight. now , a new news at 6:00 tonight. now, a new blood test that could detect 12 common cancers in, well, early is getting a major boost thanks to a £148 million investment in cutting edge medical technology. the health secretary says funding will also help advanced ai funding will also help advanced a! diagnosis and personalised treatments, with research hubs being set up across uk universities. wes streeting, himself a cancer survivor, says the investment could save lives while strengthening britain's role as a leader in life sciences . and a british climber sciences. and a british climber stranded on a mountainside in northern india has been rescued after being trapped for three days. fay manas and american michelle dvorak were stranded at more than 21,000ft after losing

their equipment in a rockfall. a french climbing group helped them descend more after being airlifted to safety by the indian air force . the 37 year indian air force. the 37 year old celebrated the rescue on social media, saying they're back and down safe . fantastic back and down safe. fantastic news. those are your latest gb news headlines. i'm lewis mckenzie. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio now of course, breaking news. the top story today, sue gray has resigned from her position as downing street chief of staff. in a statement, she revealed that she was standing down because the intense commentary around her position becoming a

distraction to the government's vital work. the former top civil servant will take on a new government role as the prime minister's envoy for the regions and nations. gb news political correspondent katherine forster joins me now. so what is this role that she's going to be taking on? sounds to me like a made up role. has anybody ever held that position before? >> that's an excellent question. i would hazard a guess that this is a role that has been found for her. and it's about saving face, isn't it? because clearly, as chief of staff, that's an incredibly powerful position. she's not got that job. so the role that she's now taking is the prime minister's envoy for the prime minister's envoy for the regions and nations. so working with the mayors, with the devolved administrations, of course, she does have a lot of experience in northern ireland in particular, but make no mistake, it's a big demotion. and basically it's because downing street, the operation at

the heart of government, has not been working as it should. and for those that think it's a very sort of niche westminster thing , sort of niche westminster thing, and the reason that it matters is because keir starmer, labour have only been in power three months and we have all seen the problems that they have got themselves into and many of which are basically of their own making. in other words, all the donations, the way it's been handled and coming at the same time as you're taking money from pensioners. so there's been a lot of rumblings about sue gray for a long time, people unhappy, feeling that she's a block and that she's a bit of a control freak in terms of access to the prime minister. and also a lot of more junior people in number 10. feeling very unhappy with what sue gray is paid more than the prime minister and what they're paid, and also a bit of a turf war. her simon case, the cabinet secretary, the most

important civil servant in the land, no love lost. he is also leaving. that's already been announced. but morgan mcsweeney is the big winner in this because he was previously sir keir starmer's chief of staff. sue gray of course, was a big civil servant. she led the partygate investigation while bofis partygate investigation while boris johnson was prime minister. of course , into all minister. of course, into all the gatherings at downing street and raised a lot of eyebrows when it turned out that she was going across to work for labour. but basically her job was to get labour ready to go into government and to know how things work, to smooth the way for them. but it's been quite bumpy , hasn't it? bumpy, hasn't it? >> indeed. katherine forster, thank you very much . really good thank you very much. really good to talk to you. that is katherine forster. it's just coming up to ten minutes after 4:00. so we have a labour

government that many felt would be honest and far better than the tories. after the tories failed, the country by bringing us the highest tax burden since the war and allowing things like edi equality , diversity and edi equality, diversity and inclusion to flourish, the tories bloated the civil service. and don't get me started on migration. we had the liz truss mini—budget and there has been no end to ministers blaming her for crashing the economy. >> never forget what the conservatives did two years ago today in their clamour to cut taxes for the richest. >> they crashed the economy, sent mortgages spiralling and put pensions in peril . put pensions in peril. >> but is rachel reeves, who has recently gone gender to, i suspect, soften her look and perhaps the blow? is she about to do the very same thing? apparently in her budget at the end of the month, rachel plans to ease borrowing rules to

unlock £50 billion of spending. so basically, she's rewriting the fiscal rules so that she can increase debt for investment in all these projects that they're planning. now, this would , planning. now, this would, according to the treasury's own analysis, increase the cost of debt and push up mortgage rates a bit like what liz truss did. rachel has repeatedly and repeatedly said that she will not play fast and loose with the pubuc not play fast and loose with the public finances, and will protect working people. but in doing this, it is suggested that it could put interest rates up by 1.25%. so from 5% to 6.25%, adding an extra £200 on average to a mortgage, which is not great considering rates are falling and that there was talk of the banks getting into bidding wars. does any of this sound familiar? remember liz truss? rishi sunak had to take over of all the pledges he made, the only one he kept was halving inflation. now people might say that that wouldn't have happened anyway or that would have

happened anyway, but we'll never know. so credit where credit is due. had it gone the other way, we would have blamed rishi sunak for the mess. but if there was one thing that i trusted rishi on, it was his ability to handle the markets and eventually balance the books. the tory party were left an austere economy. i mean, who can forget liam byrne's note that there was no money left when they took over? we've been backtracking ever since , but the green shoots ever since, but the green shoots of recovery on the horizon have been crushed by this gloomy government. mrs. thatcher was right, and socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. >> they always run out of other people's money. it's quite a characteristic of them . characteristic of them. >> and now we have them sidestepping and also sue gray, the sidestepping of sue gray. i mean, she was pretty much keir starmer's wing woman. her ex role as chief of staff was meant to get the party ready for government, to take the flack and put him in a good light, but there's been a lot of take. perhaps it's a distraction tactic. who knows? she's now the specialist envoy for nations and regions, which sounds to me like

a made up role. so get ready folks, we're in for a white knuckle ride. time to tighten our belts. we've got five years of this . so here's what else is of this. so here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, should the government scrap vat plans on private schools? education organisations are calling for the 20% vat to be delayed until next september, at the very least to give independent schools more time to adapt and register for the new tax. then former president trump has returned to pennsylvania nearly three months after an assassination attempt on his life will be heading over to the us to get more details from paul duddndge us to get more details from paul duddridge in world view. all of that coming up, but as ever, send me your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . but comments gbnews.com/yoursay. but now let's return to chancellor rachel reeves. is she the new liz truss? well, joining me now to discuss this further is the

economist and businessman justin urquhart stewart. justin with a cat. very cute . is it real or urquhart stewart. justin with a cat. very cute. is it real or is it one of those stuffed cats? >> very real. this is nico. he's well up on the interest rates. >> yeah, no, i would i would have been a bit concerned if it was like that cat that was on the ship. i can't remember what that was, but. so, justin, let's let's start with this thing that rachel reeves is planning now to release funds from the economy . release funds from the economy. how is she really doing that? what's the what technical thing is she doing to make those funds available? what rules is she changing? >> well, there are all sorts of fiddling things you can do when it comes to economics to actually say, whether it's affordable or not and how you change the rules. so for example, you can actually try and make the debts further out . and make the debts further out. so instead of being ten years, 50 years, 50 years, maybe never actually gets a date. undateable. never actually repayable. so you could do something like that. you could actually say this is debt which is going to be used for infrastructure , and therefore infrastructure, and therefore it's not used on day to day expenditure by the government.

so you're going to change the rules that way to change some of the titles. but fundamentally all economists will be looking at how much money the government's going to be borrowing. remember there's that one word that runs this, and this is what liz truss was so stupid about confidence. if you blow the confidence that people have in the british economy or the british government and its finances, then people won't invest. unless, of course, you put interest rates up and you have to put them up quite a lot to get people to trust you. if you just lost their trust. those figures, you said, are £200 a month. no one really knows. but yes, that could be possible if it was actually done really badly. now what she has to do is put a message across saying, okay, we're adjusting the way we're doing the calculations, but by the way, we're going to have the office of independent evaluation to actually check these things to make sure that they're viable and therefore get some confirmation of it. if she doesn't do that, she'll run into the same problem as trusted that i don't believe you. and of course, we're in a position where everybody around the world at the moment, the global

economy is growing, but it's growing very slowly. inflation has been coming down, but the nervousness of the areas you've been talking about in terms of politics, in terms of the war going on both in the middle east and ukraine, and these are all giving you very good reasons to not invest in something if you're slightly concerned about it. and we're changing the rules on government debt, particularly a new government like britain, which has a lot of debt, then you need a lot of confidence, just like me, with nico and his nails. >> is she right to be doing this in your view, by changing the rules so that she can borrow more money, which could potentially put interest rates up, which could then mean people are concerned the repayments will be a lot higher. it you know, didn't rishi sunak leave them with a relatively good you know, it was a relatively good handover wasn't it. >> well we don't know yet because we haven't seen all the details. of course you expect a new government to blame the old government for all sorts of things, but what they must do, not spend their entire time just throwing rotten tomatoes at the

at the old lot, but actually sitting there saying, right here is our plan to get more money into britain , more money in into britain, more money in britain. invest it. now remember, there is no shortage of money in this country to invest . and so there's lots of invest. and so there's lots of money. there's pension money, all sorts of things that can be accessed. we want more people to invest externally, but they will only do so if they trust to think that actually you're gonna be able to pay that money back. now, britain has got a great record of very, very rarely, only on one occasion have we actually not made our payments. and we certainly never defaulted. whereas most other countries around the world have defaulted, even one of the states in america have defaulted. so they regard us highly, but do not register now, rely upon that trust forever. and a day. you're talking about people's investments, so they want that money back with interest. and if there's more concern going around, then they'll say to britain, thank you very much. i tell you what, i think i'll go to america. that looks a bit safer to me. so now is the time for clear, logical explanation from her and the scene as to how this money is going to be borrowed over what period, and actually what it's

going to be invested to get the right return. it's not being invested in nice little airy fairy policies to get them re—elected. well, they don't need that for another few years, but actually to get the economy going, everyone talks about growth the entire time. there are lots of things we can actually grow very successfully, like technology in those areas. and it's about getting that reform through to make that investment easier. putting through and also don't hammer the investors with tax because actually heaven forbid that puts them off as well. >> well, you see, that's the thing. the point that you've just made there whilst they're talking about this new green energy and all the investment and the £22 billion that they're talking about pushing into all of that in the meantime, they're taxing businesses to the hilt, and it sounds like they're going to be taxing us more. how can this do you feel that she that this do you feel that she that this is the right direction , in this is the right direction, in your view? is she doing the right thing? >> i'm concerned at the moment because i can't see where the creativity comes here. what you want to see is more businesses with more investment, creating more jobs, spending more money.

and when you do that, actually you then get more tax income coming in. so what i would be doing is creating tax incentives. and i don't mean giving money away to companies to go and fritter it away, but actually giving people breaks so that when they do invest, like the enterprise investment scheme and things like that, they actually get some tax breaks for actually get some tax breaks for actually carry out investment, make it positive, not negative. if you're just merely hammering to try and get more and more juice out of it, you're not going to actually get that benefit. so where are the new businesses? and i can point to where you'll find them, particularly in the technology area. give them the tax breaks to get investment coming in domestically. what we tend to find at the moment is we're really good at setting these businesses up, and then our joyous friends are in california, come over and say, that's marvellous. by the way, come to california with me. and that's the last we see of it. it's about time we started thinking about domestically having more enthusiastic investment in those future areas. do that by tax incentives, not tax increases. >> brilliant. thank you very much. justin urquhart stewart. he's an economist and a businessman. thank you very

much. very good to talk to you. well, it's just coming up to 20 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. up next, will rachel reeves borrowing plans cause mortgage misery the country? you'll hear the thoughts of my

good afternoon. if you just tuned in, where have you been? it's fine. it's 23 minutes after 4:00. you're here now? i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. and also political commentator jonathan lis. all right. let's talk about it. will. rachel reeves, just going to crash the economy. i'll go with you. jonathan. liz. is she going to do it because she's come up with this thing. she's wanting more money, 22 billion from her other one, and then there's more money for this and more money. i think

it's 50 billion this time. i mean, seriously? no, you don't think so? >> no , she's not going to crash >> no, she's not going to crash the economy. i wish that she was actually a little bit more chill, as they say. what does that mean about the economy? it means that she has hemmed herself in with very, very tight fiscal rules , which limits the fiscal rules, which limits the amount of money that the government can borrow for everyday spending. and that is what we call treasury brain, where the treasury is sort of counting every penny and not actually realising the value of things, and also, importantly, the value of long term investment. britain has become such a kind of an officious nation, if you like, that. we're just looking at day to day spending, and we're not thinking long term about anything. we're not thinking about big infrastructure projects. we're not thinking about sort of like long term energy security. well, she is, they are. but not as much as we need to. >> we've got pylons down the track, solar panels, you know , track, solar panels, you know, carbon capture. >> i think we need a lot more. i think that, you know, the conversation we're having currently about hs2 , whether

currently about hs2, whether it's going to obviously it should have been extended. it should have been extended. it should never have been cut back. and that's not the labour government's fault, but about whether it's going to terminate at euston or old oak common is kind of symptomatic of the government's sort of focus on getting through the next cycle rather than thinking about what's going to happen in 20 or 30 years time. so i think that she should absolutely relax the fiscal rules. i think it was a mistake to hem herself in on on tax rises. so we'll wait and see. what. what rabbit? she pulls out of the hat on the 30th of october for the budget. but in a word, no. she is absolutely so terrified of labour's previous reputation for being reckless with the economy that she will do everything she can. and i think to avoid that. i think that she will actually too much on the side of caution. >> all right, danny kelly, i think they've displayed some reckless spending behaviour and how they've actually placed money from and i'm going to go back to the, the old age pensioners. >> so some not the very poorest because they're on pensioner credit i get that. but some people who are just on the cusp of that and they just, they have

just a few quid more and they don't get it. i think that that's reckless myself. i think the spending of £10 billion, which ed miliband is throwing, it's a long term thing, £10 billion towards the net zero 2050. i'm not a sceptic. i'm not a denier of climate change. but i think unless it's a global thing, i just sometimes look at the futility of it about it's almost a punitive nature about. and to throw £10 billion at 22 billion actually for carbon that's separate. i think it's another one. yeah. i think that 22 billion, which coincidentally is the same figure that the black hole that they're all falling in. exactly. yeah. so i think it's reckless to give the pubuc think it's reckless to give the public sector people so much of a pay public sector people so much of a pay rise instantly. i think they could have done it maybe by piecemeal and they could have said, okay, we're going to give you this much, but don't worry. some of the oldest people and the most poorest people in the country don't worry, you can still put your heating on this yeah still put your heating on this year. and i think that is reckless. so they're displayed a reckless. so they're displayed a reckless way of spending money. well, what in my opinion, are they going to crash the economy? ihope they going to crash the economy? i hope not, i want this labour

government to succeed. i'm not so like ideologically intransigent that i want them to fail. i want them to be a success. >> success. >> no one wanted liz truss to crash the economy on the left ehhen crash the economy on the left either, because that that hurt all of us and the pound. what we don't talk about that the pound went to its lowest level against the dollar since us independence, and that was terrible as well. >> yes, but it's come back up again. >> but it has gone back up. to be fair. >> let's be fair. the markets, some are part of all of that as well. and for the pound to crash, that's quite useful for some of those who are investing some of those who are investing some of those who are investing some of the trade . some of the trade. >> there are always people who make money out of it, but it was obviously because of what the truss government did at that time that we got to that part. so the as i said, the labour government will will do everything they can to avoid that. i don't think it was reckless with the winter fuel payments. i think it was complacent. and they kind of i think they made a political mistake. there are a lot of political mistakes that were made in the early weeks, and then it became such a totemic issue. they had to double down on it. i suspect in their hearts they knew it was a wrong decision, but because they had made it such a fig leaf, if you

like, or like a, you know, a figurehead for what they were planning to do, they had to kind of carry on. >> but what does that tell you about them? that they will come up with some ridiculous policy which the winter fuel allowance clearly is, and we all know it. even the unions know it. the people within their own party know it. a lot of them wanted to say that they didn't approve of it, but they were too scared. what does that tell you about them when they're making a mistake, that they're still heading in the same direction and they're handling it, they're in charge of our money. >> i think that all governments get into positions where they have to sort of die on silly hills, because they know that if they back down, the story will then become about their weakness. well, it's about pensioners dying, pensioners dying on silly hills. no , no, i dying on silly hills. no, no, i was opposed to the policy. i think that look, i do think there was a kernel of the policy there, which was that there are a lot of rich pensioners, very like undeniably rich pensioners in this country who do not literally don't need the payment. and they were using it by their own admission, they were using it to pay for the holidays or whatever. that's not necessary when there are people who really do need money. but the way it was, the way they

went about it was a complete, you know , a wasteful expenditure you know, a wasteful expenditure of political capital. >> i find that not really necessarily the policy itself, which i think is completely wrong. i find the energy directed to the policy as though there's lots of rich pensioners and blah, blah, blah. these people have worked all their lives. a lot of them have saved up their money. they've paid, they've worked hard to pay off they've worked hard to pay off the mortgage so that they can be where they are, because they know in their old age they're not going to be working. why stop there? it does feel as though that those who have worked hard and been prudent are being penalised. now, i do agree that there is a line where you could draw and not give out that winter fuel payment, but it's not at £11,000. >> but why stop with the winter fuel payments? if you're a wealthy pensioner, why not means test your yourself and if you've got the ability to fund your retirement, then why just stop? why don't you just stop the pension completely? >> well, i actually think you know that. >> i mean, i could see i could see something like that happening. what do you mean, stop? well, if you're a minted. if you're if you're a pensioner with a load of dough, you don't need the 300 nicker, do you? you could argue that the labour government could argue you don't need your pension, so we're not

going to pay that. i think that that's the next logical step. >> a pension is, you know, most people would agree that the pension is a universal, you've earned it benefit. you've put money in it , earned it benefit. you've put money in it, which is your tax, which has existed for well over 100 years. the winter fuel payment was was an additional bonus paid out by gordon brown under the labour government. it wasn't didn't exist before that. if it hadn't existed, no one would have asked for it. and it's actually it's actually not that much money because it hasn't been indexed. well, maybe not to you. no, but i'm saying it's i'm saying it's a lot of money for a lot of people. and i think, i think that much, far more people should have been able to keep it if they were going to change the way to get it. i think that the threshold should have been much higher. >> they could have deducted it. they could have deducted it off the pensions of those who were wealthier. so, you know, those who get the state pension, because if you're wealthy, you can still get the state pension. if you've paid into it, you're entitled to it. you've put the money in. but they could have perhaps deducted it from the pensions of those who are wealthier, who meet a certain threshold rather than this ridiculous way of saying, oh, 11 grand, and then we're not going to get any anybody from anybody who earns any more than that is

not going to get anything. £11,000 isn't a lot of money. >> it just concerns me to, in a sense, that keir starmer said he's going to come after the people with the broadest shoulders. okay, now , who are shoulders. okay, now, who are the people with the broadest shoulders? the first people who are the broadest shoulders have have the most weak shoulders, the smallest, the most narrow shoulders and their old age pensioners who are on the cusp of pension credits and they're having to forsake the 300 nicker. so he told us before the election, sorry , in in the election, sorry, in in the morning after the election, he's going to come , gonna have to going to come, gonna have to make some tough decisions and he's going to come after the people with the broadest shoulders. what does he do? the first thing he does pensions, the dough off the old people. >> all right. let's have a look at what you've been saying at home michael says starmer and his cronies are making it up as they go along. they'll change they go along. they'll change the rules and laws whenever they feel the need. they're walking all over democracy and wiping their feet on parliament, sandra says.i their feet on parliament, sandra says. i trust in rachel reeves. i think that she's got a good head on her shoulders and that she'll deliver a budget that we all want. she's nothing like liz truss. well, we'll see, we shall

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>> welcome back. it's just coming up to 38 minutes after 4:00. if you've just tuned in. great to have your company. i'm nana akua. no, i'll do that in the next one. right. so we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time now for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking should the government scrap its vat plans for private schools now? labour's 20% vat on independent schools may not go to plan. it comes as organisations call for the move to be delayed until next september to give them time

to adapt and register for the new tax. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking , you know what? is it asking, you know what? is it time for them to scrap it? i mean, it may not even bring the money that they're expecting. well, joining me now, my panel. broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, nato, political commentator jonathan kelly, nato, political commentatorjonathan lis. >> danny kelly i thought that was a bit of a nasty policy. and to be fair to the labour party , to be fair to the labour party, he said. that's what they were going to do. that was part of the manifesto. so you can't like, clump it all together with the pensioners. you can't clump it all together with giving away sovereign territory. this is all come after the election results. i thought it was nasty and it smacked of classic marxism in the sense that the proletariat were benefiting from the sacrifices that the bourgeoisie had to make. the bourgeoisie . had to make. the bourgeoisie. jonathan's looking at me perplexed. the bourgeoisie , the perplexed. the bourgeoisie, the perception of wealth, the middle class and not everyone is minted who sends their kids to private school either. and it just smacks of classic socialism , smacks of classic socialism, almost like we're coming to get

you. and that's how we're going to be as a party. he's still looking perplexed. i'll give you a lesson on marxism one day. >> i don't think he needs to wait for that. >> and . >> and. >> and. >> yes, yes. »- >> yes, yes. >> i'm not a marxist. i'm not marxist. >> no, i'm not saying you are. >> no, i'm not saying you are. >> no, i'm not saying you are. >> no, no, but i think nana might have been. look, this this is policy. is not about we've had. this is like a deja vu. we've had this conversation about 15 times, right? we no one is saying, well , no about 15 times, right? we no one is saying, well, no one in the labour government is saying that private schools should be forcibly closed down. everyone has the right, if they're rich enough to send their kids to private schools. all this is about eliminating a tax break that that private schools were de facto claiming. and it's saying that you're very welcome to have a private school, but we are going to tax that and use that tax in order to fund education more broadly for the rest of the country. that's all

it is now. there might there may be way do you think that that is a tax break just in your view. >> why is it a tax break. >> why is it a tax break. >> because it's a tax benefit that private schools were able de facto to have because they weren't paying vat . that applies weren't paying vat. that applies to the vast majority of businesses, but nowhere in the world. >> if you look at them, none of them have put vat on education. >> funnily enough, this might be one of those elusive brexit benefits we've been talking we've been hunting for such a long time because, as i understand it, you were not allowed to do that. you are not allowed to do that. you are not allowed to do that. you are not allowed to do that. if you were in the eu. yes. so i do find it slightly amusing that so many of the people who are viciously opposed to this policy were also very much in favour of brexit. well, that enabled it. >> but but that but then. well, i would laugh again because the labour party are taking that on when they were dead set against brexit. so. >> well now it's happened. it's you know we have brexit and if brexit allows you to do this , brexit allows you to do this, which i think the majority of the country is in favour of, we have to remember no, no, 7%,

only 7% of where did you get kids from go to private schools. and we just had the labour government standing on this platform, elected in landslide. >> i don't think you can dismiss 7% of people, which i'm not dismissing anyone. well, you are, because you're making it out that it's not relevant yet. if this was a trans conversation, you would be capitulating to the small minority of people who want something to change about minority, right? no, no, no. but but you've just you've literally just dissed 7%. only 7%, as though it's irrelevant. no, i do, but why is it in other conversations where the minority are pushing something on, a lot of people on the left are quite happy to go along with saying that 7% this is not no one has trans people have human rights. >> no one is saying it's a human right to go to private school. this is not about human rights. >> well, it could be in a sense that you could be breaching someone's human rights by making making them unable to do it, especially if they've got special education needs. there is a lot of those schools cannot. the state schools cannot look after people with send children. i know this well . children. i know this well. >> the government has actually

said that it will look at that particular issue, and i welcome that, because if there are cases where only a private school can serve those children with with those special needs, then that is absolutely should be exempt. >> i would support, but you can't exempt a child when you are actually charging the school. so you see this is what they say. oh we'll have some exemptions . does that they say. oh we'll have some exemptions. does that mean they say. oh we'll have some exemptions . does that mean they exemptions. does that mean they will exempt the school from paying will exempt the school from paying the vet . because. no, paying the vet. because. no, because the school will are then ultimately obliged in the end to pass that expense on to the parents. so how are they going to mitigate against it to protect individuals? >> i can actually address that because i'm a vat registered business away from broadcasting. so i pay 20% vat on my profits, but i can reclaim some vat, an element of vat on things, my expenditure, for example. so let's just say and also we mustn't confuse ourselves though not every private school is like eton. exactly. lots of private schools are charitable or charitable status hence. yeah. that's correct. so it's not like their multi—million pound generating businesses. well, a lot of those.

>> well a lot of the very richest private schools are also charities. >> yes, yes that's correct. now there's a discussion to be had as to why they're charities. is there an agenda or whatever. but you can let's just say they build a swimming pool or tennis court or whatever, and it costs ten grand plus the vat. they can get the two grand back. so the 12 grand becomes ten grand. so that's how they can maybe pass it on. >> but that's how the school can recover it. that's right. they can pass it. you can't make the person who's got a special education needs exempt from this. it doesn't work because that's what they're saying. they can they're saying i will exempt some people , but you're not some people, but you're not going to exempt them because you can claim that back anyway. but the parents will still be paying. >> yeah, but if you can recover two grand on a 12 grand swimming pool or tennis court, you can then go back to the parents and say, look, the school can. it's not going to be 20% extra. >> it depends if they're building a school or not. that's not because you've got special education needs. i'm just trying to explain the other point. hang on. wait, let me just bring on our voices. this show is nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voices. we've heard enough of these to your opportunity to be on.and these to your opportunity to be on. and tell us what you think about the topics we're discussing. let's get nadia cenci on. she's there in

ipswich. nadia. lovely to see you. >> nice to see you again, nana. how are you? >> i'm fine. i hope you're well as well. right. so what do you think? this vat on private schools. is it not time for them to scrap it now? it's just a non earner . earner. >> it absolutely is the wrong thing to do . i just do not agree thing to do. i just do not agree with some of the comments that have been made. this is typical of starmer's strategy. gung ho strategy and class war and envy politics. this is going to hurt state schools . some of the state schools. some of the private schools will be able to absorb these extra costs, but a lot of them will not be able to. and then those children are going to have to go into a state school. so how does that help anything? the teachers that we need , if we need more teachers, need, if we need more teachers, they're not going to be there. so we're going to have a chaotic situation. and when the unions are against something that labour are bringing forward, then, you know, there is something fundamentally wrong. and can i just quote, please, the secretary of state of education's post? yes, please. do i mean, it was just it was just outrageous . state schools

just outrageous. state schools need teachers more than private schools need embossed stationery. can you believe the ignorance of that statement? and how patronising that is? she needs to go and look at some of these private schools. well, i think nadia, that stationery that says everything to me, i think that's the problem. >> a lot of them are totally disconnected from the real world. nadia, tenchi, lovely to talk to you . thank you so much. talk to you. thank you so much. right. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. up next, world view. donald trump has returned to butler , pennsylvania, nearly to butler, pennsylvania, nearly three months after his assassination attempt on his life will be heading over live to the states in just a moment

life will be heading over live to the states tv,jst a moment life will be heading over live to the states tv, online|oment life will be heading over live to the states tv, online and�*nt life will be heading over live to the states tv, online and on we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's digital radio. i'm nana akua and wsfime digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time now for world view. as former us president donald trump has returned to butler, pennsylvania . that's nearly pennsylvania. that's nearly three months after the assassination attempt on his life . that is where it happened. life. that is where it happened. let's travel to the states now and speak to the host of the politics people podcast , paul politics people podcast, paul duddridge. paul, welcome. so the trump rally, he has returned first time in 12 weeks now. >> this was the site of his the way he reported his first assassination attempt. he's had two assassination attempts in three months. >> yeah that's right. >> yeah that's right. >> they're not even saying the assassination attempt. >> that's his first one. >> that's his first one. >> it's like now they're keeping count. but so the first the first time in 12 weeks, he honoured the actual time of the assassination attempt . he was assassination attempt. he was there back speaking exactly the same time. he did start off with the classic what was i saying before i so rudely interrupted 939, before i so rudely interrupted gag, which was quite lighten the mood and he honoured the memory of the firefighter who was

killed whilst defending his family. >> and we had a moment silence with an opera singer, etc. but yeah, you have to remember the last time he was there. >> biden was still in the race. biden was still the candidate. he's technically still the president, which amazes me. but biden was actually the candidate this looked like 12 weeks ago. >> this looked like an easy triumph for donald trump on the 13th of july there. >> and since obviously look at the changes we've had, we have a neck and neck race in the polls with the vice president. harris . with the vice president. harris. >> has she? because we've noficed >> has she? because we've noticed that people are saying that his popularity is surging again. what's going on with kamala? because i've heard some rumours about her that are quite negative. so what are people saying about her? >> well, it's the very fact that you're hearing rumours that are negative is kind of the big story. it's biden seems to be sabotaging her every time they allow biden and prop him up

behind it. i know it's remarkable because i do think there's a lot of grievance from his camp that he was ousted after he'd he'd won all the candidates to actually be the nominee . he's at every speech. nominee. he's at every speech. he's allowed to talk. he just attributes everything he's ever done to his partnership with kamala , that she was there in kamala, that she was there in the room, everything i've ever done. so that's why your gas is more expensive. >> that's why you can't afford groceries. >> so he is kind of giving these backhanded compliments to her and even and this interesting saturday night live last night, which is a great barometer. you couldn't find a negative about hillary or biden in 2016 and 2020. they are they are laying into this. but the vice presidency, shall we say, and laying into her campaign. so it's the very fact that there are negatives being written and said about her. the press themselves. cnn again, a great barometer for which way the wind is blowing. they do often point out that she doesn't really make

herself available as available as somebody like vance or trump does to the press, and also shouldn't she go back to the wall or something and brag about the work she's done there, but yet, well, that's not really something to brag about. she was there last week. she was there once every three and a half years is perfect. that's all you need when there's like. like i said, the official figure is like 12 million. but the estimate really from my team is more like 18 million have come across the border. so they keep releasing these immigration figures saying that immigration is down. the fact is, it's just they're coming in through different immigrants being brought in, bussed in and flown in through different ports of entry or through the ports of entry. now with official sanction from this administration, it is a quite remarkable state of affairs. also at butler yesterday, did you see elon musk turned up? >> yeah , yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> jumping around the stage and gave donald trump the i mean what do you pick with elon musk. is it twitter. is it the cars. but on this occasion it was trump and trump announcing,

we're going back to mars by the end of his administration. and elon's going to be at the centre of that. well, going back to mars, we're going to in 2017, trump talked about a base on the moon being a kind of a stopping point on the way to mars. he's resurrected that and he's got the guy there and he's pointing to him in the crowd going, you can do the rockets, can't you ? can do the rockets, can't you? you'll do the rockets. so by the end, by the end of the trump presidency, we will be on mars. >> yeah. well, paul duddridge, a pleasure to speak to you. he's the host of the politics people podcast. next, my interview with andrew eborn. you won't want to miss that. but first, let's get some weather. oh, a chilly start will give way to a lovely warm afternoon . afternoon. >> boxt heat pumps sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good afternoon and welcome to your gb news. weather update from the met office a lot cloudier out there this afternoon but brighter tomorrow with sunshine and showers before turning colder as we end the new week. so low pressure is

dominating out towards the west. we've got frontal systems bringing cloud and outbreaks of rain. so through this afternoon cloud and rain will continue to push its way north and eastwards , push its way north and eastwards, coming into northern parts of england and then later on into parts of scotland further towards the west it will turn a bit drier with clearer skies developing, but also some showers pushing through as well. otherwise the towns and cities holding up generally around 10 or 11 degrees to start monday morning. but it's going to be a damp and gloomy start across much of scotland, with outbreaks of rain continuing through the morning and into the afternoon. we've also got an easterly wind, so a chilly feel here underneath the cloud and rain across northern ireland. we may see some sunshine to start the morning, especially towards the west , but we have got showery west, but we have got showery outbreaks of rain across north western parts of england towards the south. some bright skies to start the morning, but also some showers. so through the rest of

monday morning cloudy conditions remain across northern parts of scotland, but further towards the south. plenty of bright skies through the morning into the afternoon, but showers will start developing some of these could be on the heavy side with the odd rumble of thunder and perhaps merging to give some longer spells of rain . otherwise longer spells of rain. otherwise the temperatures up around 17 or 18 degrees as the high, but feeling unpleasant in the north, underneath the rain and then our focus through monday evening turns towards the south, with heavy spells of rain pushing into wales and towards the midlands as well. but as we go through the week, wednesday holds on to sunshine and showers. but then it is going to be turning colder from the north by. >> we'll see a cold snap which will quickly develop into a warm front. boiler sponsoi's sponsors of weather on gb

well . well. >> good afternoon . it's 5:00. >> good afternoon. it's 5:00. this is gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine , it's theirs. and of it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating , discussing and at debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also political commentator jonathan lees. breaking news from earlier this afternoon. sue gray has quit her role as the prime minister's chief of staff. she says that she's risking becoming a distraction. the tories say sir keir starmer's government are in chaos. are they right? answer my poll on exits up right now throughout the show in the interview, i'm joined by lawyer, broadcaster and futurist andrew eborn. yeah, well he was we interviewed him

yet last week, but he just he only got a few minutes before. sir keir starmer has started to speak, so we had to leave it there. he'll be here to continue his conversation, discussing his remarkable career from broadcaster to lawyer. he's done everything. you won't want to miss that. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with lewis mckenzie . news with lewis mckenzie. >> good afternoon. it's 5:00. i'm lewis mckenzie here in the gb newsroom. sir keir starmer is facing fresh turmoil as his chief of staff , sue gray, has chief of staff, sue gray, has resigned. her exit follows reports of tension in number 10, including including that with the prime minister's chief adviser, morgan mcsweeney, who's now stepping into her role. conservative leadership contender robert jenrick says her departure exposes vicious labour infighting and claims the government is in freefall. in response , downing street has

response, downing street has announced five new senior appointments, with sir keir starmer insisting the changes will strengthen his team as he approaches 100 days in office. well, the prime minister has also raised concerns that the sparks of war in the middle east are igniting tensions at home, with a sharp rise in hate crimes against jews and muslims. writing in the sunday times, he also raised fears of a direct conflict between iran and israel, which he says can have catastrophic global consequences . catastrophic global consequences. the pm's warning comes as israel expands its airstrike in lebanon. while the conflict with hezbollah intensifies. massive consecutive strikes have hit beirut's southern suburbs overnight, with israel claiming its forces have killed 440 hezbollah fighters in its ground operations in the south of the country . a record breaking 973

country. a record breaking 973 migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english channel in a single day, according to the official figures. they arrived in 17 small boats, surpassing the previous record of 882 set in june of this year. yesterday's surge also came as four migrants, including a young child , sadly died making the child, sadly died making the journey. the total number of arrivals this year has now reached 26,000. russia has launched more than 80 drones and three missiles at ukraine in a significant overnight attack. it comes as president zelenskyy prepares to unveil a victory plan during a crucial allied meeting in germany on the 12th of october. this plan is expected to detail steps towards ending its war with russia, while while specifics remain under wraps, us officials suggest it includes a revised request for increased military support and long—range missile systems, as well as ukraine

nears 1000 days of conflict with russia. boris johnson says the russian president, vladimir putin is bad, not mad. in a candid interview with gb news camilla tominey, the former prime minister shed some light on his interactions with putin, proving well, providing rather a glimpse of their complex relationship. >> he means no for good this country. he regards the united kingdom as their among their most important strategic foes, probably their most important strategic foes , which is a pity. strategic foes, which is a pity. but he's chosen that path, and we're now in a very, very unhappy position. and. and you know what he is doing in ukraine is criminal. and it is also a mistake. it's a mistake for russia. it's a mistake for putin. >> and you can watch all the highlights from that interview with boris johnson here on gb

news at 6:00 tonight. and a new blood test that could detect 12 common cancers early is getting a major boost, thanks to £148 million of investment in cutting edge medical technologies. the health secretary says the funding will also help advanced ai funding will also help advanced a! diagnosis and personalised treatments , with research hubs treatments, with research hubs being set up across uk universities. wes streeting says the investment could save lives while strengthening britain's role as a leader in life sciences . well, those are your sciences. well, those are your latest gb news headlines i'm louise mackenzie. more from me in half an hour's time for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign up to news your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com . or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> thank you louis. coming up, breaking news from earlier this afternoon. sue gray has quit her

role as the prime minister's chief of staff, saying that she risked becoming a distraction. the tories say this is evidence that sir keir starmer's government is in chaos. then, for the interview , i'm joined by for the interview, i'm joined by lawyer, broadcaster and futurist andrew eborn. he'll be here to discuss his remarkable career from broadcaster to lawyer. he's doneit from broadcaster to lawyer. he's done it all. that is coming up shortly. then for the great british debate this out, i'm asking, has power gone to labour's head? this week the government has seemed to make huge decisions so flippantly, like handing back sovereignty of the chagos islands to mauritius. so has power gone to labour's head after all, they've got a huge, stonking majority. and in supplements sunday my panel and i will look at some of the stories which have caught our eye this week. as ever, send me your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com forward slash tuc . so six slash tuc. so six minutes after 5:00 and sue gray has stepped

down from the prime minister's top team, as has been appointed as part of an envoy for nations and regions, which sounds a little bit sounds a bit wishy washy, doesn't it? in a statement, she said that it had become clear in recent weeks that intense commentary around my position risked becoming a distraction for the government's vital work of change. well, joining me to discuss this is deputy editor of conservativehome, henry hill. henry, welcome to the program. really good to talk to you. not the other henry hill, but this henry hill. henry, i bet you get that all the time. sue. >> intermittently. >> intermittently. >> yeah. sue gray stepping down or. well, she a lot of people feel obviously she was pushed in a in a sense. what does that tell us about the state of the labour party from your perspective? >> i mean, it's remarkable when you consider that, what, three months ago, labour won one of the biggest parliamentary majorities in the history, the long history of the british parliament. >> and yet here we are with them. you know , having bad story them. you know, having bad story after bad story. and now starmer

losing somebody who he decided to make integral to the central operation in downing street. now you remember the impact that this had on someone like theresa may, when she had to get rid of nick and phe after the 2017 election? it is a real blow and it does reflect, i think, the real viciousness of the infighting inside labour. there were people in labour. i don't know whether this is fair or not, who were blaming sue gray for the decision to sort of cap spad numbers. there were lots of people who'd been hoping to get work in government who hadn't. she was hugely aggravating ministers by intervening over casement park, which is a sports ground in in northern ireland, for which she was trying to get money and it's really not a great sign when you think that we've got a month to go until what the chancellor is promising to be an enormously painful budget. this is the window in which the government really wants to be firing on all cylinders . cylinders. >> and the role that she's moving into envoy for nations and regions. i don't think anyone has ever had that position before. it sounds like it's just been made up specifically for her. >> yes , it has to an extent, but

>> yes, it has to an extent, but i think it's important that to realise that while it may be a wishy washy job and we should hopeit wishy washy job and we should hope it is, it is actually quite concerning because sue gray, she has views on the nations and regions. i just mentioned casement park in northern ireland. she was previously blocked from becoming head of the ni civil service, because the ni civil service, because the dup thought that she was too close to sinn fein. she was reportedly working very hard behind the scenes to prevent alister jack vetoing nicola sturgeon's gender recognition reform bill on trans rights, which he did successfully. so it's not a role in which she can do no damage. it's not some sort of sinecure or technical quango. this is something potentially where sue gray could cause quite a lot of trouble. and i think it's going to be interesting to see how northern irish unionists, especially react to having her as the prime minister's official representative to them. >> because it's quite concerning, isn't it? because even though, as you said, it's a sign, it feels like a sidestep . sign, it feels like a sidestep. i'm wondering, will she get the same amount of money? do we know whether she's still going to stick on her 170 k at 3000 more than the prime minister ?

than the prime minister? >> i we don't know that. of course, there are actually quite a lot of people in government who are paid more than the prime minister, because the fact that the prime minister , ministers the prime minister, ministers and mps salaries are so much more heavily scrutinised than salaries in the civil service, means that they do effectively get held down much more than the civil service ones . but if she civil service ones. but if she does, it's it wouldn't be a surprise. as i said, there are lots of people in the civil service, or at least a good number who are paid more than the prime minister. but i think the prime minister. but i think the particularly damaging thing for labour was one she was in the prime minister's office. she was in that downing street operation, which meant that she was in the public eye. and i think that this whole saga is a good example of maybe some civil servants should think twice before dabbling in politics, because politics is different, but also because of what it said about their arrogance and their tin ear. she was asked to take a tiny pay cut of a few thousand pounds explicitly to avoid that story from coming from coming out, and she refused. and she was. and labour and keir starmer

allowed her to refuse. that simply shows an extraordinary lack of political touch for a party that is fresh into government from opposition. >> and do you think that the labour party feel like they're a little bit power hungry, because some of the ministers are just coming up with these amazing plans, like david lammy and his plans, like david lammy and his plans and ed miliband with his energy staff and, you know, the chagos islands, just suddenly giving that away. surely you'd spend a little bit of time even speaking to the people . i know speaking to the people. i know that it was initiated initially by david cameron, who then did not turned it down, and then who was it in the conservative party who then decided to open it up? james cleverly, but this is this feels like a policy of distraction. there's so much more going on. why are we doing this? >> i mean, it's really strange. so the chagos thing boris johnson decided to open negotiations, a sort of agreed to open negotiations, although he then attacked it afterwards. liz truss then made the decision to open negotiations, which they were then closed under rishi sunak. but it's not just that

this is a that we shouldn't be handing them over the icc judgement that people keep referencing is purely it's purely advisory because the uk did not consent to have arbitration that way. but it's the terms of the deal that are so surprising because, you know, labour are a progressive party, right? you'd think that if they were going to be giving away a british overseas territory, it would be because of concerns about the views of the native chagossians who were who were deported from that territory decades ago. but they've been completely shut out of this deal and they're absolutely furious. so actually, it looks as if one of starmer's old lawyer mates is freelancing as chief legal advisor to the mauritian government and he's done him a solid, which is absolutely remarkable. but the really strange thing is you pointed out, yes, you're right, the carbon capture and storage stuff is that some ministers are getting to make all of these big announcements. but at the same time, rachel reeves is wielding the axe. she's made labour mps keep the two child limit. she's made them cut the winter fuel allowance. she's now announced that every single department is going to have to find £1 billion worth of capital budget cuts. they're not doing that. they're

being pressured to roll back on the school vat policy. they're not doing the non—dom crackdown. they're not doing the private eqtu they're not doing the private equity tax crackdown, because the treasury has pointed out, quite rightly, that it will cost money to do. like, it's really it's not that they're all advancing in this sort of grand wave of people who are high on power. it's that a handful of ministers seem to have license to make these huge decisions without proper scrutiny. while all of the others are stuck making budget cuts. >> well, and of course, there is no real i mean, there's no evidence to suggest that the handover was that there was anything going on between keir starmer and a lawyer with regard to the handover of the islands. i mean, that's just your what you're perceiving because he knows someone. you're saying , knows someone. you're saying, but there's no evidence to suggest that that's the case, is there? >> i mean, look, i'm not i'm not saying that it was a brown envelope involved, but i am just pointing out that, you know, this deal has come out of nowhere. a few weeks ago, the government was saying it's too early to say what we're going to do about chagos. so there's no parliamentary scrutiny. now. they're saying it's too late to talk about the deal with chagos, so there's no point recalling

parliament. and, you know, it is a fact that one of the one of starmer's former old friends is the chief legal advisor to the to the mauritian , the mauritian to the mauritian, the mauritian government. i'm not saying it's corrupt, i'm just saying it's probably why it managed to get on the prime minister's radar. because if you think about it, sir keir starmer has come in this country, has enormous economic challenges. it's got stagnant growth and all the rest of it. his government is staring down the barrel of collapsing poll ratings and a really difficult budget. and yet he's found the time to sort of rush through this deal on the british indian ocean territory, which is a terrible deal. >> well, it's really good to talk to you. i mean, it may just be a distraction tactic as well, because obviously there's a lot of heat on keir starmer at the moment as well. henry hill, really good to talk to you. he's the deputy editor of conservative home. thank you. well today marks the eve of the first anniversary of the attacks in israel on october the 7th. and remembrance rallies have been held across the country. the pictures on your screen are from the memorial in central london. now joining me is defence analyst james marlow. james, really good to talk to you. long time no speak. right.

so james very it's a very sad and poignant moment obviously. and tomorrow will be the actual day of the anniversary. what are your thoughts on where we are now since that day ? now since that day? >> well, it's nice to speak and to see you again. nana. after some time . i have just got back some time. i have just got back from israel. i was there for a number of weeks. i spoke to a number of weeks. i spoke to a number of weeks. i spoke to a number of the hostage families, including shani louk . you may including shani louk. you may remember her because that was one of the famous pieces of video taken by hamas. she was on the back of a pickup truck. i spoke with her father at the time . her father said to me that time. her father said to me that this was so hard for a father to see. his daughter like that, but we didn't know at the time. these are his words . we didn't these are his words. we didn't know at the time that she was dead and that was confirmed afterwards. but in this particular exhibition, which marks the one year anniversary in jerusalem, which i was ianed in jerusalem, which i was invited to, i met a lot of the

hostage families. and i have to tell you , some of them were tell you, some of them were speaking. there was other politicians who were also speaking as well. it was very solemn. and then there was somebody on the stage with a guitar . and i somebody on the stage with a guitar. and i have to tell you, there was not a dry , dry face, there was not a dry, dry face, eyes. my eyes were streaming and it was completely unexpected because it was just so you were in that moment and to speak with these people and to know that in some cases they've still got hostages in gaza in the dungeon, there's 101 of them left. there's 97 altogether taken from october the 7th, plus four, two arabs and two israelis who have been held now for almost 11 years. and by the way, those 97 include, of course, the bebe children, one year old or just over one year old now, and his brother , five years old, coming brother, five years old, coming up on five years old. and there's also one british citizen, emily demari. she's 28

years old. she visited the uk many times. she loved football. she was getting tickets for football matches when she could come over to the uk, and it's just so sad because at the same time, hezbollah, as you asked me about, what do i think of the situation? hezbollah has been firing every single day into northern israel since october the 8th, and for 11 months israel has been calling out, and i've said this many times on many networks, including gb news. eventually, if something is not done by about hezbollah, israel will have to take its steps. israel will have to do what the united nations should have done back in 2006 on the general security council resolution 1701. and we see that now after 11 months. and it's as if the world was completely oblivious to really what was taking place and what we're seeing on our screens is a live pictures of beirut at the moment. >> so we're just sort of bring you some of that detail live. so james, what should israel do now ?

james, what should israel do now? because they are in a quandary. they cannot they cannot simply stop what they're doing because obviously they need the arms. they need to carry on to try and hopefully push forward with a ceasefire . but everyone seems to ceasefire. but everyone seems to be putting pressure on israel to ceasefire. and i'm not hearing enough on pressure on iran and hezbollah. the houthis and all the others. i mean, why is all the others. i mean, why is all the pressure on israel? >> well, you mentioned three there, but israel is actually fighting on seven different fronts. just a couple of days ago, within a 12 hour period, there were rockets coming over from yemen, from iraq, and of course, from lebanon. israel is also focusing on gaza, judea and samaria , known as the west bank, samaria, known as the west bank, and also syria and iran as well. and israel says it is going to retaliate against the massive iranian attack, which took place last week . it's the second

last week. it's the second attack, the first one being, i believe it was the 14th of april, and we're waiting for that to take place. the iranians say that if israel does that, they will respond against israel. so it's very unclear what's going to take place. but i do believe that there will be some type of retaliation against iran. and this is also to show the iranians who control all of these proxies, as you know, hamas and islamic jihad, the houthis in yemen, hezbollah of course, it's to show iran that actually your proxies are slowly being taken out. it's taking a long time. and originally when israel went into gaza, it said, maybe not publicly, but i knew about this information that it was going to take at least a yeah was going to take at least a year. of course, it has taken a yeah year. of course, it has taken a year. the reason why it's taken so long is because at the time, it was unknown how many underground tunnels there were. if you take the underground map, it's actually that times four in

terms of all the tunnels. and that's clearly where the hostages are being held. and israel has no idea that it was as big and as vast as what it is actually found. and the evidence thatis actually found. and the evidence that is seen with its troops over there . now, we're seeing over there. now, we're seeing the same thing on the israel—lebanon border, and indeed the radwan faction within hezbollah in lebanon was also planning a very similar october the 7th attack just last week, which is the reason why israel says it made this pre—emptive attack . it's actually taken over attack. it's actually taken over attack. it's actually taken over a number of those tunnels now. and of course, it's hitting hitting hezbollah targets and the popular front for the liberation of palestine across lebanon, but specifically in beirut. you said you were showing these pictures just beforehand and in southern lebanon now, a lot of those residents, we know have have gone away, have moved, and we know that there is a humanitarian problem inside of lebanon. but that's been the situation in southern israel and

in northern israel for 12 months. yeah. >> well, listen , james, you >> well, listen, james, you know, we were all praying for the people of israel. and of course, we would like to see this fighting. stop. i'm hoping that the world are opening their eyes to seeing what israel, israel are having to deal with. and maybe, perhaps there will be some form of ceasefire very soon. james marlow , really good soon. james marlow, really good to talk to you. he's a defence analyst. thank you very much. 21 minutes after 5:00. if you just tuned in, where have you been? we're near the end of the show, but up next, it's interview. broadcaster and futurist andrew will continue where

>> oh, hello. >> oh, hello. >> good afternoon. 24 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. welcome. we're live on tv , online and on digital on tv, online and on digital radio. now it is time for the interview. my guest is andrew eborn. he's had loads of jobs.

he's been a lawyer, a business strategist, a broadcaster, a futurist, whatever that means. he also isn't shy about giving his opinions, as he has appeared on bbc, sky , cnn and pretty much on bbc, sky, cnn and pretty much everywhere. and more importantly, obviously here. so have you heard about anybody like this man? hahahahaha. have you heard about anybody like this man? hahahahaha . no, like this man? hahahahaha. no, no. i'm joining me andrew eborn. andrew. so where were we last week? we were talking about making money. yes. and what your thing is. >> so basically what i've done, my background is as an intellectual property lawyer. and throughout my career basically been helping people make money. so we're looking at things. so we did the very first computer game rights, for example, for formula one. >> i then became the agent for selling those around the world and became a multi—billion dollar business as a result . dollar business as a result. >> i also did the very first karaoke. >> i brought that over from japan to here, really with pioneer in the early days, they used to have these enormous discs called laser karaoke and that worked on on that sort of bafis that worked on on that sort of basis where and but in japan, it was very polite. people would sit around businessmen in their suits and they would listen very

carefully. and all the japanese came over and they listened to people murdering songs from grease or something like that , grease or something like that, where the whole crowd sort of jumped up and did that. but in addition to that, the very first live streaming. so i used to work with the faa and we used to stream women's football. it wasn't as popular in those days as it was, so we would get it to places that couldn't otherwise reach. and in addition to that, we were doing lots of strategic alliances with people, like when the independent for example, started to put videos on their site through my company, octopus tv, we would help them do a deal with the press association for their content and use that technology to make that make sense. >> so what happened to octopus tv? >> that's still octopus tv is still me and my company. still we still do across what i call the ip value chain. so we do everything from formats for tv, and we have that with people who created who wants a millionaire? >> we also do productions and we talked about duran duran with their video, which we did recently with alison jackson, the bafta award winning artist . the bafta award winning artist. >> but also i'm going to japan in a in a few weeks time to do a number of new series. we're

doing andrew bourne's fake or fact. we're turning that into a whole series in and of itself. and that was launched on this very channel, which we did every saturday morning. and basically looking at that sort of side. but we're also doing a lifestyle programme looking about japan technology and other things as well. so you probably know i do the andrew eborn show. >> who else could do it, i guess, and we have every day somebody else called andrew eborn, somebody else called andrew. >> another one called licence, that one. but what i love about it is every day, every day i have errol musk, who's elon musk's father on, and he looks incredibly like him. but there's all sorts of revelations about elon and so on. and so forth. and he's a fascinating character. and gb news have been running a series of articles on their brilliant website as a result of that as well, working with your digital team. so it's working across all that sort of things. but in addition, it's looking at the new forms of entertainment. so we did the very first holograms, for example, and i did something on hamleys window display where you had sort of magical hands floating in mid—air using holograms. so it's the new way of immersive technology and immersive entertainment on that sort of basis.

>> it's fascinating, isn't it, really? it really is fascinating . really? it really is fascinating. so you're going to japan very shortly. you've got a big project there , launching some project there, launching some stuff of your own. what's been the most, in your view, your biggest moment, the most, in your view, your biggest moment , the biggest or biggest moment, the biggest or your most memorable moment? >> i appeared on this brilliant show last week and again this week on something called nana akua, and it was absolutely a joy- akua, and it was absolutely a joy. it was the highlight of my career . i joy. it was the highlight of my career. i mentioned last week that actually one of my highlights was actually was stephen hawking, and it was the movie lost in translation, which starred bill murray, and it was about the agency that i work with called dentsu, and it's all about doing advertising campaigns. these big a—list stars do it for two reasons. one, there's a lot of money. and secondly , because it's in japan. secondly, because it's in japan. not a lot of people see it. and on the 9/11, when the planes were going into the twin towers, i was on the green with stephen hawking. so a really memorable moment. and we were filming for a brand called uniqlo. >> you were there at the time. >> you were there at the time. >> i was there at the time and we were hearing it whilst we were filming with him. so absolutely horrendous. on that basis. we worked on that. so there we are. there's stephen

hawking, that was me a few years ago. >> is that are you in that picture? >> yeah, i know it doesn't look like me at all. the guy with the glasses . with glasses, not glasses. with glasses, not stephen, andrew eborn. i know it's completely changed. >> you're a lot better looking now. how. >> now. >> well, that's very kind . >> well, that's very kind. that's very good. yes. it's the joy that's very good. yes. it's the joy of being on a red sofa. it's always a thrill and tv stuff, but. but i think what i find and dunng but. but i think what i find and during the lockdown, we did a lot of this sort of stuff where we spoke to people about their own issues and everybody's the same deep down and mental health. i know it's become a sort of buzzword now, but if you prick me, do i not bleed? if you tickle me, do i not laugh? when? when we had lockdown, we were doing daily interviews with the great and good. so i had charles spenceh great and good. so i had charles spencer, diana's brother on my show, diana's brother on my show a lot talking about his work though. brilliant. he's a brilliant writer and does something called the white ship. but they talk about the challenges that they have as well on that sort of basis. and i think those in the public eye who can talk about those things can be really important to people. so people are all the same. and i think if you treat everybody like a celebrity, you can't go too far wrong. >> well, you've got a book. we always see your little book at

the end. so the book of failure that you've written, well, i worked. what was your big what was is it lots of failures or oh my god, i everything's a surprise. >> it's always good. i should also tell i'm a member of the magic circle as well. so tonight, straight after this, i'm going to down clapham at the grand in clapham, and i'm going to be doing the red carpet with all sorts of celebrities. is it down there? so combine magic. >> and was that your best trick? >> and was that your best trick? >> that's . i'll disappear. >> that's. i'll disappear. that'll be my best trick. straight after this, the book of failure. this is what we spoke about last time. everybody talks about last time. everybody talks about success, but never about the failure that leads to that success. so i was commissioned to do a series of articles for the drum, looking at failures throughout history, and we worked on that sort of basis. you can get this. i put a this is a rare unsigned copy. it's on the ebay. you can copy. >> you can sign one for me now. >> you can sign one for me now. >> i'll sign one for you now. >> i'll sign one for you now. >> it's got to be good. andrew eborn, you're back on gb news very soon, i should imagine, when you're back on, do you know, i don't know more platforms than paddington, but i will be back. all right. lovely . that is paddington, but i will be back.

all right. lovely. that is a brilliant andrew eborn. there you go. a lot of people ask me. well, that's not fair. we wanted to hear the rest. we wanted to hear what andrew had to say. so we brought him back. right. this is gb news. it'sjust we brought him back. right. this is gb news. it's just gone past 5:00. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua still to come. we'll continue with our great british debates. and i'm asking, has power gone to labour's head? but first, let's get your latest news with lewis mckenzie . news with lewis mckenzie. >> good afternoon. it's 5:30 i'm lewis mckenzie here in the gb newsroom. sir keir starmer is facing fresh turmoil as his chief of staff, sue gray, has resigned. her exit follows reports of tensions in number 10, including with the prime minister's chief adviser, morgan mcsweeney, who's now stepping into the role. conservative leadership contender robert jenrick says her departure exposes a vicious labour infighting and claims the government is in freefall. in response, downing street has announced five new senior appointments with sir keir

starmer insisting the changes will strengthen his team as he approaches 100 days in office. the prime minister has also raised concerns that the sparks of war in the middle east are igniting tensions at home, with a sharp rise in hate crimes against jews and muslims. writing in the sunday times, he has also raised fears of a direct conflict between iran and israel, which he says could have a catastrophic global consequences . starmer starmer's consequences. starmer starmer's warning also comes as israel expands its airstrikes in lebanon, while the conflict with hezbollah intensifies massive consecutive strikes have hit beirut's southern suburbs overnight, with israel claiming its forces have killed 440 hezbollah fighters in its ground operations in the south of the country. now a record breaking 973 migrants have crossed the

engush 973 migrants have crossed the english channel in a single day, to according new official figures. they arrived in 17 small boats, surpassing the previous record of 882 set in july. of this year. yesterday's surge also came as four migrants, including a young child , sadly died, making the child, sadly died, making the perilous journey a total number of arrivals this year has now reached 26,000. and finally, a new blood test that could detect 12 common cancers early is getting a major boost thanks to £148 million investment in cutting edge medical technologies. the health secretary says the funding will also help advanced ai secretary says the funding will also help advanced a! diagnosis and personalised treatment , with and personalised treatment, with research hubs being set up across the uk universities. wes streeting, who himself is a cancer survivor, says the investment could save lives while strengthening britain's role as a leader in life

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>> good afternoon. it's 37 minutes after 5:00. welcome. if you just tuned in, we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm danny mccoy. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. and it's time now for the great british debate. this houh the great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking, has power gone to labour's head? earlier this week, the government announced that the uk would be giving up sovereignty of the cluster of islands in the indian ocean. yes, i mean, the deal reached after years of negotiation will see the chagos

islands being handed over to mauritius. but that's not all. the government's been up to. the chancellor has also committed a whopping £22 billion for carbon capture and storage projects. i mean, do they think that they can just pass everything through because of their huge majority? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, has power gone to labour's head ? joining gone to labour's head? joining me now is political commentator jonathan lewis. and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. let's start with you, jonathan lewis. it's gone to their heads hasn't it. they've got this big majority. they think they can do what they like. so they're coming up with all these policies and they're just getting a bit power crazed . just getting a bit power crazed. >> no i don't i don't think so. i think that obviously if you have a government with a big majority, they can get basically anything through . but that anything through. but that doesn't mean that the power has gone to their head. if labour is doing what it said, it more or less would do , then that's to be less would do, then that's to be expected. they're not coming out with a raft of policies apart from obviously winterfield, which you discussed before, a raft of new policies that no one had any idea about. and so ramming those through parliament

chagos islands, you could argue that suddenly, suddenly it just appeared . no, that was literally appeared. no, that was literally not the case that that negotiation was begun under the last government in 2022. so there's been a lot of kind of hysterical backtracking by conservative leadership candidates who want to kind of absolve themselves of any responsibility for that , but responsibility for that, but that was entirely started by them and finished by the labour government and the problem with that particular issue is not about the ceding of sovereignty per se. in my opinion, it's the fact that the chagos islanders were not involved. well, exactly. >> that's part of it. >> that's part of it. >> so that's so that's the bit i don't think that this is going to be anything that cuts. well, there you go. >> the fact that they did something without even asking the people of the island shows power has gone to their heads. >> no, because i agree that's the definition of power, of being power crazed. the fact that you are denying someone their right to self—determination, like the falklands, however many years ago by a whopping 99%, said they

want to be brits. gibraltar again. i'm not sure what the percentage was. self—determination. they've denied , albeit probably in the denied, albeit probably in the grand scheme of things. a few thousand people. i don't know what the population is. it's the principle of self—determination , principle of self—determination, yourself and your identity. so i think that to have that and you're right, jonathan, this happened with james cleverly over recent years, conservative government. they started the dialogue . but just to have the dialogue. but just to have the rug pulled from under your feet , rug pulled from under your feet, i think is disgraceful. i'm not buying into all the scaremongering that the falklands will be next. gibraltar will be next. that's a load of baloney. >> have you not heard the falklands? argentina have said we'll do everything in our power. >> there have been sabre rattling for years . rattling for years. >> but, but, but they are saying it so i wouldn't dismiss it. i'm just saying that that is i'm not dismissing that they're sabre rattling. >> i'm dismissing that they're going to do something about it. >> well, no, but they may well do something. >> no, no, i don't think okay. >> no, no, i don't think okay. >> well, in fact we don't know whether they will. >> but we do know we do know we do know. they've said they've said consistently through every argentine government since 1982. they've said they will not be

another military campaign. and the argentine economy is in no state to even consider it. having the argentine presence, a major, massive thatcher, right. he loves thatcher. >> nor was it last time. jonathan. >> anything until it is so you don't know? >> well , that's why we have >> well, that's why we have military installations on the books. >> but you can't say that that that with any definitive you know, we had a military installation, we had a platoon of royal marines, and it didn't stop them . stop them. >> and also in 1982, the argentinian government was bankrupt and they actually invaded argentine. sorry, they actually invaded las malvinas to try and prop up that proxy dictatorship or whatever. so i'm not sure we can predict exactly what the erg are going to do. we can't. but i think i can speak on a solid foundation. i don't think keir starmer would do that. i know he wouldn't. there would be uproar. that. i know he wouldn't. there would be uproar . there would be would be uproar. there would be civil disobedience if he thought they were rioting during the summer. the whole country would come combust. the veterans in their 60s and 70s would wonder what the hell they were taking bullets for dodging bullets. the military wouldn't allow it because how are you going to recruit a soldier knowing that

if you go to war in 30 or 40 years time, you're going to hand back whatever you've secured to the enemy? well it's terrible. >> well, i mean , also, the prime >> well, i mean, also, the prime minister starmer could be facing a commons vote on chagos as well over the handover because a lot of people are very dissatisfied with what's happened, which is why we're sort of looking at the amount of power they have. i mean, do you do you not think, jonathan, it's actually quite unhealthy to have this massive majority that the labour party have simply because they can almost try and push things through unchallenged? >> i have said for many, many years that i believe there should be proportional representation in this country, which would require parties to coalesce and to cooperate with each other . and coalesce and to cooperate with each other. and i think that would deliver much healthier politics. it doesn't mean that there wouldn't be problems. i mean, we see the deadlock that happens on the continent sometimes when you have go for months or in belgium's case, over a year at one point without having a government. but sometimes you do have a government. it doesn't actually work that well for us over here. so yes, i would absolutely be in favour of having a fairer voting system which would get rid of

those big majorities. but we have the system we have and labour has every right to implement its agenda with the parliamentary system that we have. all right. >> well, lots of people have been getting in touch with their thoughts on this issue as well, which is quite interesting. a lot of people have things to say. david says this interested to see if lindsay hoyle, that's of course, the speaker makes a comment in parliament tomorrow. read the chagos islands not being discussed in parliament. first. he had a go at rush, rushing once. remember ? i'm not rushing once. remember? i'm not sure what you mean there, but i think i think you mean something, but i don't know what it is. thank you for that. and henry bagley says henry hill of conservative home speaks to truth. the chagos deal is dodgy. that's a new that people may hold. elizabeth talks about sue gray. she says sue gray has gone now. just the rest of them . and now. just the rest of them. and one more. i'll do one more then why not? michael says. i reckon starmer spends too much time posing in front of the mirror with his new clothes and not enough time smashing the gangs. right. next it's time for

supplements. sunday, my panel and i were discussing some of the stories that caught our eye. stay tuned. do go go anywhere

right now it's time for supplements sunday, the part of the show where i test my panel on some of the other stories that have caught their eye. joining me author not you're not an author, are you? i am an author. >> i've published a book 25 years ago, 16 pages cookbook. >> it was a cookbook. why am i not surprised? it was a cookbook . not surprised? it was a cookbook. right. i'll start with you , right. i'll start with you, danny. kelly. >> well, listen, i've set myself up for a fall with you, young lady, because my sunday supplement is about food. the smell of money. national lottery to introduce chocolate scented scratchcards to boost sales. and i don't know how to feel about it. so fewer and fewer people are buying the scratchcards. they've come up with a novelty, a novelty idea, a gimmick, if

you like. so it actually smells of chocolate. would you believe that? >> oh wow. would you buy a chocolate scented scratchcard if i could eat it, to be honest. but can you? >> so it's not edible? >> so it's not edible? >> no. so it's not even edible ? >> no. so it's not even edible? of course not edible. >> it's made of cardboard and paper and silver paint that you scratch off the chocolate inside or something. no . you're or something. no. you're thinking of with an after a christmas thing. one of them advent calendars? no, it just smells of chocolate. >> oh, that's a silly idea. that's not going to make you buy the thing, is it? and also there in those things so you can't get to them anyway. >> yeah, that's the point. yeah. they're all behind perspex lockers. >> that's really sad. i wonder good point. that's a great point. who thought of that ? point. who thought of that? >> i mean did you do you remember the chocolate flavoured stickers? the chocolate? i remember my sisters had them stickers that used to scratch and scratch and sniff. >> oh yeah. those ones. yes. i do remember those. yeah, yeah. >> things that the things that we thought were cool. >> i used to hate people that had pencil cases that looked like food, you know what i mean? it'd be like, it's not a sandwich. those are not

digestive biscuits. get out of here. just make me hungry. right, jonathan list, what have you got for us? >> i've got a woman who a woman gets to reply to a job application 48 years on on the bbc website. this is tizzy hodson, from lincolnshire, who appued hodson, from lincolnshire, who applied to be a motorcycle stunt driver in 1976. but the letter had been stuck behind a post office drawer all these years . office drawer all these years. wow. found and sent back to her and she has no idea how, since she's moved house about 50 times and moved countries many times . and moved countries many times. but she. the good news is that she did actually manage to live her dream in that career. in that career did become a seems to have had a very adventurous life. but alas , not at that life. but alas, not at that particular. how did they track her down? >> that's amazing. she's moved house, she's moved country. they still track her down. >> they've obviously got too much time on their hands, to be honest with you. that's a nice story, though, right. and my, my one is actually about the weight loss jabs. a lot of people are

taking these as ozempic and whatever the weight loss jabs are semaglutide and all that. but people are saying are they an excuse to be lazy? that is the question . do you think they the question. do you think they are an excuse for people to be lazy because they're just injecting themselves and the weight just falls off, and then you can just i think that we have this expectation that if you want good things, you have to work for them. >> there has to be a trade off. and we're not quite built ethically for something where you can just have something great and not have to do anything for it. it's fantastic. >> you do have to send something for it. i mean, it comes at the cost of your your pancreas and some of your vital organs because obviously they're still researching it, aren't they? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it's toxic. so obviously your body has to work harder to sort of bring it in. and the other thing is that the hormone that it produces that tells you that you're satiated and full, that that will then kind of switch itself off. if you use this thing for too long, and then you will now need the hormone, you'll sort of need to carry on taking this. >> right? okay. >> right? okay. >> so it does come at a cost. >> i'm guessing it's targeting fat people, obese people. i don't know why you're smiling at that, nana you're not. well, that's very kind. he's cuddly in

it. so it's an appetite suppressant. is it making you lazy? i don't think it's making you lazy, in the sense that maybe you're not going to go for the run because you're not going to have the big meal at night. >> why would you bother if the aim of the run was to make you thinner and this thing can do it, but it's difficult if you are overweight, it's difficult. >> i don't like being fat. it's difficult. it's a combination of being, being lazy, running a business, drinking too much wine, maybe during the week and you get the munchies and you're answering all your questions exactly. so that's probably a typical reason why people are overweight. >> would you take that jab or. >> would you take that jab or. >> yeah, i would do. yeah. yeah, i would do. if it's a shortcut to losing weight. yeah. because i go to the gym , i but i enjoy i go to the gym, i but i enjoy a glass of wine at night. i obviously consume too many calories and i don't offset it with exercise. so if i could stop the big meal at night, then yeah, i would do. yeah, definitely. yeah, i would do you have to be careful though with that as well because you might lose weight too quickly. i wouldn't lose too much weight because i know you like me. >> cuddly weight. don't lose too much weight, daddy. half of those people on that thing, they get ozempic face or whatever. they call it a zombie face

because all the fats sort of, you know, all the skin's loose andifs you know, all the skin's loose and it's just hanging like the nodding dog. like the churchill dog? yeah. some people. what would happen to you if you didn't eat? >> well, some people suit carrying a bit of weight, and i think i might be one of them. >> i think you are, danny. i'm sorry to tell you, if you wanted that thing. that's all right. no, you look good. there's more of him to love. well, there's lots of you been getting in touch with your views. let's read some of them. michael jul says labour think they found something they can tap justify. but books and education have no vat as principle. this is about the vat on the schools, by the way. we're not subsidising them as they are not taking up their places in state schools. they actually pay twice over, which is what i think it's a con and greece tried it, found it to be a mistake. of course, labour can't learn from others in their arrogance. so that is about the question. our labour sort of are they too much? is power going to their heads? what else have i got here any more? great messages that you sent me? yeah, this one from grumpy grandad, he said when the tories handed over the nation's finances to labour, everything was looking good. the economy was doing well, interest rates were finally coming down,

even gas and electricity was coming down in price in just 101 days. we are now. we are told everything is going up again. days. we are now. we are told everything is going up again . it everything is going up again. it can only be down to labour and their policies. 101 days. really interesting because some people called cruella de vil what's her name? >> oh, the hound of the baskervilles. no, that's not the hound of the baskervilles. >> 101 dalmatians. >> 101 dalmatians. >> the timing is so 101 dalmatians. well, listen on today's show, i've been asking on my twitter poll, is starmer's government in chaos ? and government in chaos? and according to my twitter poll, 90 96.5% of you think yes. and 3.5 of you think no. wow. so pretty much unanimous. most of you are thinking that he'd have thought, well, what would you have thought? it's true though , isn't it? >> no, i don't think so. >> no, i don't think so. >> well, listen, i've got to say a huge thank you to my panel, broadcaster and journalist, danny kelly. danny, thank you so much. and also political

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chief of staff sue gray has resigned. her exit follows reports of tension in number 10, including with the prime minister's chief adviser, morgan mcsweeney , who is now stepping mcsweeney, who is now stepping in to replace her. conservative leadership contender robert jenrick says her departure exposes vicious labour infighting and claims the government is in freefall in response. downing street has announced five new senior appointments with sir keir starmer insisting the changes will strengthen his team as he approaches 100 days in office. the prime minister has raised concerns that the sparks of war in the middle east are igniting tensions at home, with a sharp rise in hate crimes against jews and muslims. writing in the

sunday times, he also raised fears of