>> documenta. >> documenta. >> the dangerous, brazen foreign criminals that foreign judges say we can't deport. we have to stop this madness and get out. >> one. >> one. >> seven people killed and 48 injured, 21 of them in critical condition. a third major attack in three months. >> al—qaeda and isis are back on the rise in britain, and they're ready to attack. if there is any. >> three. three freedom fighters . >> three. three freedom fighters. >> three. three freedom fighters. >> would a war in the middle east unleash the islamist enemy that we've let fester in britain? also, mass immigration has fuelled our fastest population growth ever. can you get a gp appointment? >> plus, focus is on growth. that's been the missing ingredient for the last 14 years. >> well, it turns out that britain is suffering the worst

millionaire exodus in the world. and an obsession with the 7% of children who are in our private schools. >> i'm more interested in the 93% of children who are in our state schools snarky, envious labour slammed private schools. >> but it turns out the report saying the vat hike would be okay was written by a labour minister's close friend. oh , and minister's close friend. oh, and but if the police decide to issue me with a fixed penalty notice, i would of course do the right thing and step. oh yeah. stand down. starmer has been referred to the police over potential breaches of electoral law. will he have to resign ? law. will he have to resign? >> also, bosses got their backs against the wall and they're being questioned. they'll then deliver a sob story every time labour's dawn butler opens her eyes, she sees more racism. >> on my panel tonight is the columnist and broadcaster esther krakue, the director of the centre for migration and

economic prosperity. stephen wolf, and the journalist jonathan lewis. oh, and. i will take you live to florida, where hurricane milton is set to wreak havocin hurricane milton is set to wreak havoc in fact, it's supposedly going to crash into florida whilst i'm on air. so get ready, britain. here we go . britain. here we go. foreign judges and foreign criminals have no place in britain. next . have no place in britain. next. >> good evening. it's 9:00. i'm lewis mckenzie here in the gb newsroom. james cleverly has overtaken robert jenrick to the top spot in the latest round of voting to be the next leader of the conservative party . cleverly the conservative party. cleverly leads the pack with 39 votes, robert jenrick second with 31

and kemi badenoch third on 30. tom tugendhat has now been eliminated from the race, with only 20 votes. the final two will be decided from the remaining three candidates at the next round of voting tomorrow afternoon. the director general of m15 has warned that isis and al—qaeda are on the rise, with an increased terrorist terror risk linked to the conflict in the middle east. in a stark warning at the counter—terrorism operations centre, ken mcmullen revealed that iran has been linked to at least 20 deadly plots in the uk over the past two years. he says both groups are attempting to export terror , highlighting the export terror, highlighting the recent deadly attacks in moscow as a brutal demonstration of what isis is still capable of. as the conflict between israel and iran intensifies. m15 is on high alert for potential domestic repercussions . sir keir domestic repercussions. sir keir starmer is set for a crucial

talks in berlin, joining leaders from the us, france and germany this saturday. the meeting will focus on the ongoing war in ukraine and the escalating situation in the middle east. it comes as tensions rise in lebanon, prompting urgent diplomatic efforts among the so—called quad nations. the prime minister's spokesman says the meeting highlights the uk's commitment to tracking international issues alongside its allies . water companies in its allies. water companies in england and wales have been ordered to return more than £157 million to customers for failing to meet crucial targets on pollution and interruption to services. ofwat has demanded the money come off the bills for households and businesses from next year. it follows a previous order to repay £114 million last year. order to repay £114 million last year . the uk order to repay £114 million last year. the uk population has seen its largest annual increase in

size since 1971. the office for national statistics estimates the total population grew by 1% in just a year, reaching 68.3 million by mid 2023, covering england, scotland, wales and of course, northern ireland. the ons says migration was the main factor behind the latest rise, as deaths exceeded births by around 16,300. in the same penod. around 16,300. in the same period . and finally, as you've period. and finally, as you've just been hearing, has hurricane milton makes its way towards florida. governor ron desantis says, if you stay, you will die. satellite images show the storm churning through the gulf of mexico with winds almost reaching up to 180 miles. an houn reaching up to 180 miles. an hour. forecasters are warning of 8 to 12 foot storm surges, the highest ever recorded in the region. and of course , with region. and of course, with widespread flooding expected as well, it comes just two weeks after hurricane helene claimed

over 200 lives in the southeastern part of the united states. well, those are your latest gb news headlines. for gb news headlines. latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm lewis mckenzie. more now, i'm lewis mckenzie. more from me in an hour's time. but from me in an hour's time. but now it's back to patrick for the now it's back to patrick for the very latest gb news direct to very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts . slash alerts. >> foreign judges should not be slash alerts. >> foreign judges should not be able to tell us that we cannot able to tell us that we cannot deport foreign criminals. this deport foreign criminals. this is dorian puca. he's albanian. is dorian puca. he's albanian. he's 28 years old. he's been he's 28 years old. he's been jailed for burglary and deported jailed for burglary and deported twice. well, he sneaked back twice. well, he sneaked back into britain. and here's the into britain. and here's the latest andrew doyle documentary . latest andrew doyle documentary . latest andrew doyle documentary. yeah, that's right. he posted a latest andrew doyle documentary. yeah, that's right. he posted a video of himself driving a video of himself driving a £300,000 ferrari. we are £300,000 ferrari. we are

powerless to deport him until powerless to deport him until his latest asylum claim has been fully heard. and even if we do decide to, then he will just go to the echr and they'll probably let him stay like this other albanian criminal, ardit benhadj, who also liked to rob people but now entered the uk illegally in a lorry in 2014 before being arrested the next year for burglary. he was jailed for 30 months in 2016 for the break in alongside a six month prison term for another burglary and 18 weeks for a separate theft. he was freed six months later and deported . within later and deported. within months, he broke back into britain. he found himself a nice lithuanian girlfriend who he had a child with. he then used the echr right to a family life to be allowed to stay in britain. the whole thing is a complete joke, isn't it? but they're not the only ones. we've had rapists , the only ones. we've had rapists, murderers and terrorists like wahbi mohammed, who plotted the infamous july 2005 failed bombings in london, which came

weeks after the seven over seven bombings, which killed 52 people. the somalian national was imprisoned for 17 years before seeing his sentence reduced to 13 on appeal. he cannot be deported after arguing that he may face inhumane treatment in his native country, which would could fit their

33,660. so you could fit their entire population into brighton and hove albion's football stadium. people always say, well, only belarus and russia aren't in the echr. yeah, well, neither are canada, japan and australia. and they're not exactly despotic. regimes are they? people say, oh, winston churchill, he helped he helped to create the thing, didn't he? all right. well, winston churchill did not help to create it. so that albanian drug lords and islamist terrorists could be told that they could stay in britain by a judge from a country that is essentially a hernia on the stomach of italy. we need to either ignore the echr or leave. let's get the thoughts of my panel. i am joined, as ever, by the columnist and broadcaster esther clark, who we've also got the director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity, steven wolf, and the journalist jonathan lis. >> that is so rude to the people of san marino. >> i think you should apologise. a hernia that's it's a beautiful it's a beautiful little. >> i've been i have been i've been there. >> it's gorgeous. >> it's gorgeous. >> it's gorgeous. >> it's more of a size reference. anyway, let's get back on track.

>> so size doesn't matter. >> so size doesn't matter. >> i don't know who told you that. >> all right. okay, okay. >> all right. okay, okay. >> we're in the gutter already. stephen. i'll get it. i'll get it. just. just go straight down the line to you and just say, look, what do we. what do we do about the amount of albanian rhiannon jones that the echr is demanding that we keep in britain? >> deport first, appeal later. >> deport first, appeal later. >> we have that in legislation. we have that under our immigration laws. so it's not within the wit of man that we have legislation passed by our own parliament that enables us to override the echr in these circumstances, for us to be able to say, as the home secretary, but it takes a very strong home secretary to actually do that. and so if they did, then we'd have super sambuca duca being deported instead of sitting there drinking sambuca, watching tiktok and driving a £300,000 car. all it comes down to is the political will of this home

secretary to do the right thing, carry out the legislation, deport first, appeal later, and we have lots of sections to do otherwise. then we go to the nuclear bomb in terms of legislation and leave the echr. i've said it for nearly a decade. it would do us a pile of good to do so. and then we could remove all the legislation that is in our own legislation, uk law that leads these people to stay. >> look, it's putting us at risk, isn't it? i mean, i mean, these people, they'll always be frustrating cases like this that really shouldn't happen, particularly on the scale that they do. >> i mean, abdul ezedi is one of the first ones that really came into public consciousness. i think the bigger the issue here is the sort of the complex around it. so the charity industrial complex around this , industrial complex around this, the human rights lawyers and the judges and who's who's funding these, these, these institutions and these individuals that are heading up these cases for people like this, a convicted burglar to argue that he should stay in the uk as, as because he

has he has a so you'd go after the lawyers. >> no. >> no. >> but but this is the thing. it's not just one person. it's not individual cases like this. and they don't just happen. they don't just come out of nowhere. they're part of a system, right, of a charity industrial complex and of these human rights lawyers and all of that that choose cases, and they choose to pursue cases that are against the national security interests of the uk. now, obviously, the argument should be, yes, the people that are meant to enforce our national security interests should deport first and then ask questions later. however, you also have to tackle the system within within which these people operate. >> right. it's a it's a great point. so i'll put that to you then. jonathan. you know, i mean, look, some of the rulings recently by the echr have raised eyebrows. i mean, i think they backed a i think they backed greta thunberg and a load of geriatric swiss women who said that, who said that they were their lives were being their lives were being impeded this evening. no, no, nothing. not these days . remarkably, some are these days. remarkably, some are on fire, but over the over the eco lunacy. right. so that was seen by many as a kind of oddly political move. so if it could be argued that the echr might be a bit political, and then the

lawyers who are bringing all of these cases are definitely political, then we do have a problem with our system, don't we? we've got we've got lefties who are making us all more dangerous party. >> just because you disagree with the ruling, it doesn't make it flawed. it doesn't make the court against you or political. it just ruled against some. it just ruled in a way that you didn't like. the problem with human rights, patrick, is that it applies. they apply to everybody, not just the people that we like . i don't much like that we like. i don't much like the colour of that guy's jib ehheni the colour of that guy's jib either. i can tell you, but actually conflated two separate cases. there . so this guy who's cases. there. so this guy who's who's claiming asylum, one would expect to that claim for asylum would be rejected because so and there's nothing he'd have to have a very good reason. he'd have a very good reason. he'd have to have something like the right to family life. and that's where it comes. the other case, which you just mentioned. that's right. hold on. that's the thing. >> the argument that human rights have human rights, it's true. >> you have certain human rights in this country, whether you like, whether we like it or not. and even if you were to leave the echr, a british bill of rights that replaced it would also , i guarantee you. but this also, i guarantee you. but this is a fallacy . child's fault, is is a fallacy. child's fault, is it, jonathan?

>> isn't the point that patrick and others and those like myself who say here you're saying he has human rights, but what about the rights of the victims? what about the rights of the state? well, should not they be balanced? and isn't the echr the fact that it's no longer balancing those two equally? what it's saying is here we have a de facto criminal who sneaked in, which is illegal in its own right. he then claims article eight i've got a family i can stay. so is there not a case somewhere along the lines, legally that says a nation state should be able to balance those rights and say that is not a human right that we recognise for a criminal who's a non—uk citizen, 1 don't see how it benefits the victim. >> for a child to be denied his father for example, no one should have to go to where the father is. >> hold on. but this this idea of the human rights being appued of the human rights being applied equally and consistently and all that. it's a fallacy, right? human rights means different things in other parts of the world. and i think this when you have a situation where you have a cabal of human rights lawyers and judges that are

basically deciding what human rights are and who gets the benefit of them, and who's human rights trumps others, because now you're basically what happenedis now you're basically what happened is this person's human rights trumps the human rights to security of the british nationals. right? yeah. and i think that's where the problem is. we have we we're under this impression that when you operate under the rubric of human rights, everything is settled. but it's actually it's a creation of this elite group of, of, of legal practitioners that actually has real world consequences but is not consistently applied. and i think one other problem with it as well is that it's not just that those lawyers who are specialising in this area, the area is that it's about the academics. >> we have academics that are sitting as judges on the echr and you don't have to be a properjudge, as and you don't have to be a proper judge, as we'd and you don't have to be a properjudge, as we'd understand it, someone who sits in a criminal case, you're telling me is that that that chap from san marino, he could be. >> just not even be a judge? >> just not even be a judge? >> no, he'sjust a >> just not even be a judge? >> no, he's just a lecturer because it's deemed a lawyer , a because it's deemed a lawyer, a university of san marino. and if he's appointed to that role as a lecturer, and i do have problems with lecturers being able to

rule on judgements in cases because they have no real life experience in the court of real life. yeah , 100%. life. yeah, 100%. >> and also, i'm sorry, i don't believe that the academia left wing bias stops when you hit the channel. i imagine that there is quite a lot of that going around. you know, jonathan, when i look around now, you're shaking your head about it because, because, because it's completely not true that academia is completely not true. it's like there are so many. >> there are so many. >> there are so many. >> right wing academia, eating, guardian reading wokerati obviously trying to wine me up. >> okay, that's that's a complete fallacy. i'm sorry. like this idea. there is, there's a balance. you realise that the academia is a self—perpetuating . it's self—perpetuating. it's a self—perpetuating, perpetuating industry. if you are a right wing academic , it's hard to get wing academic, it's hard to get funding. it's hard to even get hired. it's hard to get a job. exactly. this idea that there is some sort of neutrality and it's just people on the right that are whingeing is not actually talking about human rights. >> you talk about human rights. ihave >> you talk about human rights. i have no vested interest in talking about human rights. you know, i would argue that it's a pensioner's human rights. someone who's been in our armed

forces to be able to turn their heating on this winter without worrying about whether or not they are going to have to, you know, go without food for a week. but we do have our chap from albania there who's a criminal, and his human rights are razza ferrari around the streets of britain appears to trump . that does it. trump. that does it. >> well, i don't think anyone's arguing that it's a human right to drive a ferrari, but it's not a crime to drive ferrari unless he's stolen it. so that's. >> but it's a human right to be protected. 1 >> but it's a human right to be protected. i wonder where he got the money. it's to human rights be protected from illegal migrants entering this country. and burgling your house. it's a human right to have yourself protected from a foreign national. coming over here and raping your daughter. it's a human right not to have yourself abused or beaten on the streets of your own country , because the of your own country, because the echr protects you. now, if i'm going to lose my rag about this, it's because i'm angry about foreign nationals being able to come here and are incompetent home secretaries from being able to deport them when they commit crimes like this. the people of this country should be protected. they're not at the moment, and they're being aided

and abetted by a common law that's accepted. >> the european court of human rights. why should we be more angry about foreigners doing committing crimes than anyone else committing crimes? >> because we shouldn't be importing our more problems. >> but you're importing it. it's a huge but you could say it's a human rights to be protected from any crime. i would say yes, it absolutely. why does it matter so much? obviously we need to stop dangerous people being on our streets. i'm just more interested in that than where they come from. >> i don't know, i mean, go and go and ask some of the people who've suffered at the hands of some of these people. >> the majority of criminals in this country. >> and i'll tell you why it's avoidable. that's the problem. why should we be more insensitive? because it's avoidable to not have people, foreign nationals committing crimes in this country. we don't have to import those problems. that's the difference . that's the difference. >> we should do our best not to as well. >> wonderful people. we're gonna have to crack on. thank you very much. lovely start to proceedings. now, talking of things, you can obviously get for free in britain, it's time for free in britain, it's time for the great british giveaway and your chance to win the equivalent of having an extra £3,000 in your bank account each month for the next year. £3,000 in your bank account each month for the next year . that is month for the next year. that is £36,000 in tax free cash. here's all the details you need to make

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watching on demand. good luck . watching on demand. good luck. >> still to come, an unlikely alliance of independent schools, teaching unions and tax experts have joined forces to heap pressure on the government to delay the planned private school vat tax raid, amid fears that it will wreak havoc with kids education. and when it does turn out as well, that a key report that starmer used to justify this tax hike was written by a government minister's best mate. so is it not high time the government u—turned on this policy? former labour minister geoff hoon well, he doesn't think so. he joins me soon. but next it just gets worse and worse for labour. britain is set to suffer the biggest exodus of millionaires in the entire world. jonathan lewis thinks he's great until he has to start paying he's great until he has to start paying for everything. wealthy foreigners flee the uk ahead of the government's non—dom crackdowns as labour's economic credibility been shattered. going head to head on that the entrepreneur and businessman mike green and former labour mp shaun simon. stay tuned

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. coming up, should the government u—turn on its private school vat raid, it turns out that one of the reports that was written to back it up was written to back it up was written by a labour minister's best mate, and nobody could have seen that coming, could they? but first, has labour's economic credibility now been absolutely shattered? it's time for the head to head . so chancellor

head to head. so chancellor rachel reeves has today been deau rachel reeves has today been dealt a serious blow after analysis revealed that britain is set to suffer the biggest exodus of millionaires in the entire world, ahead of labour's planned raid on non—doms. the share of the population who are millionaires is expected to plunge by a shocking 20% over the next five years. this isn't just foreign people, by the way. this is british based millionaires as well. that's according to the analysis from the adam smith institute. so it comes after labour placed a £1 billion crackdown on non—doms at the heart of their manifesto, with the money raised set to be used to prop up ailing public services. but rachel reeves is now reconsidering that policy after it emerged. now wait for this, because, again, no one could have seen this coming . it could have seen this coming. it could have seen this coming. it could end up costing the government £1 billion in reduced tax revenue. if wealthy foreigners flee the country. so tonight i'm asking, has labour's economic credibility been shattered? let me know your thoughts. gbnews.com forward slash yours. say tweet me @gbnews while you're there, go and vote in our poll. the

results will probably follow quite soon. joining me now for this are former labour mp shaun simon and entrepreneur mike green. shapps. thank you very much. always a pleasure. mike, i'll start with you as labour's economic credibility has been shattered in a way that will inevitably end up costing us all money. >> well, i'm not sure they ever had any economic credibility. i mean, if you look back 100 years, you'll see every labour government has left the country broke. but more importantly, if you look back over the last few months as they've been talking about some of these policies, a 12 year old doing an economics gce could have told you that if you overtax people who are already paying 60% in real terms on all of their money, they're going to leave. we are literally killing the golden geese that are laying the eggs that are making it possible for others not to pay so much tax . it's not to pay so much tax. it's going to be the middle classes that get squeezed here. the work, shy and unemployed, aren't paying work, shy and unemployed, aren't paying any more. the low incomes probably won't pay any more. it'll be the middle classes because the real income earners

who pay the top 10% being 60% of revenue, the top 1% being 29%, they can get out, they can make alternative arrangements. it's ludicrous. if she doesn't u—turn on this, then millions of people will pay more taxes. who can ill afford it? >> well, it'll be interesting, wasn't it, sean? because if she doesn't u—turn on this, then really, this is just classic socialism, isn't it? they don't mind if the poor get poorer as long as the rich get poorer as well, because there's actually no economic case to press ahead with this. we've been told it's not going to raise any money. >> well, i mean, there is there is a credibility question here, but it's not a labour credibility question. i mean, this is a this is a really daft story, isn't it? by an anti labour campaign group. i mean, what a nonsensical idea that 20% of the richest people are going to, are going to leave in in response to something that at the same time, the you're telling us it's actually not going to happen. i mean, which is it a 20% 1 in going to happen. i mean, which

isita20%1in5 going to happen. i mean, which is it a 20% 1 in 5 rich people leaving or is actually she's going to u—turn? i mean , we going to u—turn? i mean, we might as well get that get that clear first, surely. >> sean, it's this isn't a prediction. this is a reality . prediction. this is a reality. sean, this is happening. i've done two podcasts in the last week alone with accountants . one week alone with accountants. one based in dubai, one based in cyprus. they're seeing ten times as many customers coming to them. and these aren't millionaires and billionaires at a high level necessarily, although many of them have gone. i'm going to be in on saturday. i'm going to be in on saturday. i'm going to be in on saturday. i'm going to be with alfie best in monaco. we've lost hundreds of millions. we've lost. we're going to lose hundreds of his employees. but this is people who are perhaps only worth five, six, 700,000. now that's a lot of money, i get that, but that's money that's leaving the uk. it is happening. it's not a prediction. it is happening. >> yeah. so i mean sure. sean, look what? just to pick through what you said before. so. because i'm sorry i couldn't really figure out what it was you were saying. you just don't buy the fact that some of the world's wealthiest, most mobile

people would leave because keir starmer and rachel reeves are about to clobber them . you just about to clobber them. you just think out of the goodness of their heart. they will stay and just hand over a load of money to keir starmer so he can just tossit to keir starmer so he can just toss it around everywhere. >> let me let, let me try and express it in simpler terms . at express it in simpler terms. at the same time , you and the adam the same time, you and the adam smith institute are projecting that 1 in 5 british millionaires will leave over the course of the parliament brackets, which is absurd . at the same time as is absurd. at the same time as that, you and there you collectively are saying, actually, she's not going to do this because she's realised it's a mistake. she's about to, you know, i'm not. >> no , no, you're going to >> no, no, you're going to u—turn or sorry to leave. i hate to do this, mate, but i'll obviously have to use simpler terms. we're not saying that. what i am saying is that she's considering it. apparently . and considering it. apparently. and i'm asking you whether or not you think she should u—turn on this policy. so do you think she should u—turn sean ?

should u—turn sean? >> so i don't know whether she should u—turn i. what? what's being reported is that the treasury, now that they've got into government, are saying , into government, are saying, actually, you're not going to raise as much money from this as you think you are. >> and why is. no, no, no no. right. stop right there. because why is that, sean? because millionaires are leaving. so it's absurd what the adam smith institute say. but when the treasury say it , then that's treasury say it, then that's fine. >> yeah. not 20% of millionaires, not a fifth of all the rich people in the country. >> just enough to make it not worth anyone's while. yeah, just. just enough so that it won't raise a penny. all right. fine. well, we can argue about the amount of millionaires who are going to leave. but, you know, the fact is, it's not going to raise any money, is it? >> let's say it's only 10%, sean, and it's this. we're talking hundreds of millions, billions of pounds. where do you think that is going to be topped up by? who's going to pay that? do you think the millionaires aren't going to find ways to, to, to protect themselves? they've got great accountants of course they we i am going to do

that. this is going to fall on the shoulders, not of the people with the broadest shoulders. it's going to fall on the shoulders of hard working people that are caught in the middle. >> it's not is it? i mean that that isn't what the issue is. the issue is, does a lot of very rich capital leave the country because they're non—doms? i mean, hard, hard working, normal middle class people are not non—doms, are they ? non—doms, are they? >> okay. all right. i'm just just wondering, sean , you know just wondering, sean, you know how you feel about the idea that you know, this this multi—millionaire labour leader who's embroiled in this donor gay and you know , potential gay and you know, potential electoral law issues surrounded by you know, gosh, a couple of other very well—off people, etc. mean, how many times does keir starmer got now? he got downing street, he's got his one in kentish town. he can use lord alli pad, he can use chequers. he's got four homes. keir good gosh. and he could potentially is about to preside over huge amounts of tax rises for everybody else. but do you not find that a bit, a bit rum sean? >> i mean there's no evidence

that he's about to preside over huge tax rises from everybody else. well, the truth is what the evidence is, is that they've inherited an economy with a higher with a higher rate of taxation than than we've had for decadesin taxation than than we've had for decades in this country. and they've promised to not raise all the main big taxes that affect most normal working people most of the time. and they've promised to not, not to raise borrowing. so they are very, very boxed in and restricted in what they can do. theidea restricted in what they can do. the idea they're going to have raised borrowing, they just borrowed 3.1 billion. >> sure. they just borrow £3.1 billion to pay the unions. they've done it. they've already done it. i mean , ed miliband, ed done it. i mean, ed miliband, ed miliband spent spent the black hole £22 billion on carbon capture in the north east last week. they're doing it . week. they're doing it. >> he didn't. >> he didn't. >> and he's not even spending that on on trees. he wants to spend it on carbon capture machines aren't we better to put more trees in what he wants to

do is invest in green technology to grow the economy. >> because because ultimately people on the people on the left call it investment. obviously people. people on the right call it splashing a load of other people's money up the wall, don't they? but anyway, all right, chaps, we did manage to veer away from the topic there, but i did have fun. thank you very, very much. former labour mp sean simon. there, entrepreneur mike green. take it easy, right? who do you agree with as labour's economic credibility been shattered? joan on yours says labour will bankrupt the country. they'll still crack ahead with the winter fuel payment cut. george says labour has no economic understanding. if they want growth, we need the millionaires to create jobs, tax revenue to build their businesses. here. it's basic, laura says. i really don't think it could get worse than it was under the tories, but i think it might okay, there we go. coming up. there will. once the king and queen of daytime tv . once the king and queen of daytime tv. right. >> deep breath . firstly, are you >> deep breath. firstly, are you okay?1 hope >> deep breath. firstly, are you okay? i hope so, it feels very strange indeed. sitting here without phil . without phil. >> okay, but now phillip

schofield has sensationally accused his former co—star holly willoughby of orchestrating his downfall. he's even branded her a witch. so is the former itv presenter the most vindictive man in tv? and is he intent on all out revenge? showbiz journalist sarah—louise robertson has got the inside track. she joins me very soon. >> but first, an obsession with a 7% of children who are in our private schools. i'm more interested in the 93% of children who are in our state schools . schools. >> well, the education secretary, bridget phillipson, has now been branded divisive and stupid for a recent post on social media that pitted private school pupils against state school pupils against state school kids. but she's got a battle on her hands because there's this unlikely alliance now of trade unions , independent now of trade unions, independent schools and tax experts have all joined forces to heap pressure on the government to delay the private school vat rate. isn't it high time the government u—turned on this policy as ? former labour minister 7

former labour minister geoff

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. and it's emerged today that a close friend of a government minister wrote a crucial report that labour has repeatedly used to justify its vat raid on private schools. so matthew pennycook, a minister in the department for levelling up, housing and communities, was reportedly the best man at the wedding of luke sibieta, who authored the institute for

fiscal studies report that found the policy could raise more than £1 billion for the treasury. well, it comes as this unlikely alliance now of independent schools , teaching unions and tax schools, teaching unions and tax experts joined forces yesterday to heap pressure on the government to delay this tax raid on private schools amid fears that it could wreak havoc with kids education. the education secretary , bridget education secretary, bridget phillipson, has also been branded divisive and stupid. for a recent post on social media, she said our state schools need teachers more than private schools need in boss stationary. our children need mental health support more than private schools need new pools. our students need careers advice more than private schools need astroturf pitches. well , with me astroturf pitches. well, with me now is geoff hoon, former labour minister geoff, thank you very, very much. and good evening, patrick. how are you? so it looks it looks as though maybe labour have been at it again. geoff, that all is not as it seems that this report that gave them a glowing response for their policy turned out to be written by, well, shock, horror, you know, a mate. >> well, first of all, i've looked at the report and it

isn't glowing. there's lots of criticism, actually, of the policy. it's a fairly balanced report , and i think those that report, and i think those that are criticising the author are playing the man rather than the ball. >> the issue is, is this report on its own merits, a proper consideration of this policy? and i can't see that there's anything wrong with the report. whatever the relationship between its author and the minister seems to be wholly irrelevant. if people are saying actually the report is well balanced, which they are. >> isn't the main thing wrong with it, that it's just factually inaccurate because it's not going to raise £1 billion. >> well , i billion. >> well, i understand that the report talks about raising between 1.3 and £15 billion. so that seems to be in the right ballpark. it's around the figure that the government have been talking about. >> yeah, but the government i think , are quite wrong about think, are quite wrong about this, aren't they? i mean, where's the evidence it is going to is going to raise this amount money. i mean, they're saying that we need it for more teachers. well, i think it's one teachers. well, i think it's one teacher for every four state schools, which given the idea that, you know, several tens of

thousands of children are now going to be pumped into the state school system in high pockets in certain areas, it's not going to be enough, is it? it doesn't seem to really add up. >> i'm not sure that that is the calculation that is borne out. i also have just read the house of commons report on this proposal, and it talks about 3 to 7%, perhaps dropping out that very uncertain figure. after all, it's quite clear that fees in private education have been going up substantially in recent years. that doesn't seem to have affected decision by parents to continue to pay for their children. >> well, it is affecting it now, though, isn't it, because there's 10,000 fewer children in private schools ahead of labour's vat tax policy. so things have changed. that has changed. and can i ask why? why does labour want to look so bitter about all of this, do you think? >> i don't think it's a question of bitterness. it's really a question of principle. and i'm glad that you've got around to that, because the reality is that, because the reality is that this affords a tax to break private education, and the taxpayer is subsidising private education. now , there might be

education. now, there might be an argument for that, but it isn't essential . and i would isn't essential. and i would have thought that most people would accept that if vat is appued would accept that if vat is applied to a whole range of services, it should be applied equally to fees for private education. i can't see anything wrong with that in principle . wrong with that in principle. >> but aren't parents who send their children to private school just paying twice? therefore, your argument completely falls down. they're paying for everybody else's education through tax, and then they pay for their own child's education through paying for it themselves. geoff. >> but that's a choice they make. and that's a choice that should be no , no. should be no, no. >> so they're paying twice aren't they. so they are paying twice. so this idea that they're getting a tax break geoff. and that everyone else is paying for is complete rubbish isn't it. >> no it's not, because actually if you look at the vat rules, the exemption for private education is set out in the legislation. if that exemption was not there, then they would have to pay vat. >> so look geoff, someone who goes to eton or i don't know ,

goes to eton or i don't know, marlborough or wherever, super posh, turbo posh send their kids. right. they're not bothered are they. they just crack on. they pay 40 grand a term or whatever it is for little hugo and horatio to go and crack on and have a great time. but people who've really had to scrimp and save to send their kids to a 8 or £10,000 a year private school who now can't do it. they're the ones that suffer. and i'll ask you the same question that i asked our mate shaun simon before, which is this not socialism in a nutshell? geoff? you don't care if the poor get poorer, as long as the rich get poorer as well. it's the politics of envy. >> well, to repeat the point, i made a few minutes ago, the reality is that fees for private education have been increasing year on year, well above the rate of inflation. that doesn't appear to have had any impact on the numbers of people sending their children to private education. it's a choice those parents make. it's a choice for them. no one's interfering with their choice. it simply doesn't seem right in principle that they should get a tax break, a subsidy from the taxpayer for doing so. >> okay. all right. and this

idea , now that you know all idea, now that you know all these private schools, you know they need it more. they need embossed stationery, etc, do you not think that's that's a bit needlessly divisive? i mean, the irony is if she'd have written that down, she probably would have used embossed stationery from the house of commons. >> no, i think the reality is that we need to focus on the principle, which is what i've been trying to do. and you've encouraged me to do that, i think. >> i don't see what the principle is, geoff, i can't i can't see what the principle is. the principle is you look at some people who've really scrimped and saved to send their children to a private school because they've made a decision that they would quite like their child to maybe be a bit safer at school and do all that. and the labour party have come in and gone, screw you, you're going to gone, screw you, you're going to go to stab city comprehensive. >> that's not what the labour is saying at all. there is no reason why parents cannot continue to send their children into private education. the reality is, for the moment, into private education. the reality is, for the moment , they reality is, for the moment, they are getting a subsidy from the taxpayer and i think it's important to emphasise that without the exemption already built into the legislation passed by parliament, did you go

to private school? would be vat, would be payable. did you did you go to private? >> did you go to private school? i'm sorry. did you go to private school out of interest? >> i went to a private school. yes. >> and was that nice for you? it set you up nicely in life, didn't it, jeff, that was great. >> the reality was i got a scholarship, paid for my bae, paid for by the local. >> but then this is part of the problem, isn't it? because the reason they can give out scholarships, jeff, is because they're well funded and they put a bit of money in the bank. they're well funded and they put a bit of money in the bank . you a bit of money in the bank. you probably wouldn't have been able to go if you if this had been the case, goodness knows where you would have ended up. although obviously you are incredibly bright and genuinely no doubt would have done very well anyway. but my point is this it helps people on bursaries and stuff. jeff, doesn't it? >> i don't think that's the same issue.1s >> i don't think that's the same issue. is it? because the reality is, i mean, my scholarship was 100%, so i my parents didn't pay anything so they wouldn't have paid anything extra anyway. and i think the important exemption that the government have indicated in relation to children with educational difficulties, i think that's quite right. i think that's quite right. i think there are ways of looking at other assistance to those who are less well off and who are

struggling to pay fees. >> all right , mate, look, struggling to pay fees. >> all right, mate, look, thank you very much. i do always appreciate your time, jeff. lovely stuff. take care. geoff hoon, the former labour minister. right. coming up. massive surge now in net migration has driven the fastest increase in the size of the uk population since the 1970s. but you know, can you get a gp appointment. schools again housing crisis. is it affecting all of our lives. first though, there were once the king and queen of daytime telly, right deep breath. >> firstly, are you okay? i hope so, it feels very strange indeed sitting here without phil now. >> phillip schofield has accused his former co—star and close pal holly willoughby of orchestrating his downfall. it appears his intent on all out sarah roberts.

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. coming up is mass immigration making all of our

lives worse? but first, there were once the king and queen of daytime telly. but now their friendship appears to be lying in tatters after it emerged today that phillip schofield blamed his former co—star holly willoughby for his downfall, accused her of not coming to his aid and, well, his career crashed and burned, didn't it? but according to the daily mirror, phillip blasted holly via a series of explosive whatsapp messages the day before he was axed by itv after she reportedly ignored his pleas for a show of public support, such as a statement or a picture. well, he left this morning last may, following months of speculation about a breakdown in his relationship. he then admitted to having an affair with a junior colleague and left itv altogether and now apparently refers to holly, who was one of his closest pals , as was one of his closest pals, as the witch who brought him down. joining me now is showbiz journalist sarah—louise robertson. great to have you on the show, sarah. thank you very much. should people be afraid of schofield's attempts at all out revenge? >> well, this is a man who is absolutely fuelled by self—pity , absolutely fuelled by self—pity, patrick. he seems to be hell

bent on this mission of settling scores and woe betide anybody who gets in schofield's way. we've seen, obviously, the language that he's used to inqu language that he's used to insult hollywood. 1 mean, this was the person who was once he once called his tv , tv sister. once called his tv, tv sister. they were joined at the hip at one point, and he's really left no stone unturned in in the way that he's calling her now. and other former colleagues and friends of his at itv. and he just seems hell bent on this, on this mission of taking down anybody who, in his self—pitying monologue in his head , seems to monologue in his head, seems to be the people he's blaming for losing his his television career on itv . or shall we say that on itv. or shall we say that he's blaming everybody but himself. for what? for what happened? for his fall from grace into disgrace? >> i just wonder if it's a missed opportunity , if phillip missed opportunity, if phillip schofield, i thought he maybe had two options, right? which was either just to crawl away under a rock and never be seen

again or come back, which we thought, which i probably have my money on or come back and go, right, look, so sorry . so sorry. right, look, so sorry. so sorry. i've done, you know, done wrong here and done either of those things. he's just come out and gone. it was your fault. it was your fault. it was your fault. maybe he needs to buy a mirror. >> that's exactly it, patrick. you've hit the nail on the head. i think at the time people thought that's it. you know, he's gone. we'll never see him again. that's the end of that. but no, he is come back all guns blazing. but he's showing no signs whatsoever of contrition . signs whatsoever of contrition. not at one point did he say in this tv show castaway, which can i just say, the enormous privilege that's been afforded to him, that he's had a three part series dedicated solely to himself when other people have fallen from disgrace, the likes of matt hancock , he had to go of matt hancock, he had to go back on i'm a celebrity and redeem himself and do all those trials and make a fool of himself, but phillip's done none of that. he would obviously refuse to go on i'm a celebrity because of the channel that it's showing on, but he's had a huge platform with which to redeem

himself to the public. and you think he would use that as a chance of introspection and holding a mirror up, as you say , holding a mirror up, as you say, patrick, to himself and his own misdemeanours and saying, actually, okay, i do apologise here. i should have done things better. i shouldn't have acted the way i did. it was inappropriate. 1 the way i did. it was inappropriate. i lied to my family. i lied to my colleagues. i lied to my friends about having an affair with a much youngen having an affair with a much younger, younger junior member of staff. not just a colleague, a junior member of staff. that's obviously a whole separate issue. but the point is, he didn't do any of that. he just used this program with which to absolutely slate . holly and his absolutely slate. holly and his former colleagues were one time good friends of his, and obviously the channel itself, itv, and he just went for it all guns blazing. and it hasn't gone down well with critics. it really hasn't. >> no it's not. look, we've only got about a minute left . there's got about a minute left. there's talk of the bbc offering him stuff. i mean, surely he's the last person they want stalking their corridors . their corridors. >> well, i mean the bbc, let's

face it, with the disgrace that they've had going on and recently presented , feels recently presented, feels probably a good match for them . probably a good match for them. you know what i'm talking about there, patrick. but i think that's because he chose, didn't he, amol rajan to go onto his show and give that interview. so i think there was a maybe a little bit of camaraderie there. and so i don't know, i mean, look, phil was a very, very good presenter. i'm not going to take that away from him. he was he was brilliant at what he did. yeah. but i think now really he's tarnished his own image and the public aren't impressed with this woe is me self pity monologue that we've seen come from him. and calling a woman a witch. come on, phil, you know, not very not not very good. >> and she's got a big a big power behind her and a big corporate power behind. so this is probably, probably not ideal. sarah lie—in patrick, we're going to have to we're going to have to go. i'm afraid you take care. sarah—louise robertson there. showbiz journalist i will just stress again, phillip schofield, nothing illegal. i think that's that's all i need to say about that. coming up,

the head of m15 has issued a stark warning today. >> i'll finish here with the terrorist trend that concerns me most. the worsening threat from al—qaeda and in particular from islamic state. >> so what? a war in the middle east actually cause a war here in britain. i'm going to be talking a lot about that. i'm also going to be talking about whether or not mass migration is making our lives worse. stay tuned . tuned. >> ooh, a chilly start will give way to a lovely warm afternoon. boxt heat pumps sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. here's your latest gb news weather update coming to you from the met office. looking ahead. and by thursday things are looking largely dry but quite a bit colder than of late. for the time being though, still plenty of wet weather around. low pressure dominating the story across the uk. it's this low pressure that has brought all the heavy, thundery showers many

of us have seen through today, and there will be some further showers as we go through the next few hours across england and wales, but many of them clearing away towards the east overnight. some persistent rain continuing, though, across parts of northern england and eastern scotland, so staying pretty soggy here with quite a bit of cloud around. temperatures won't drop a huge amount, especially in the towns and cities, many places holding up in double figures. there will be generally fewer showers around tomorrow, but there will be some. in fact, even from the start, across far southern parts of england, a few showers quite likely, perhaps a little bit drier across central southern parts of wales and the midlands for a time, but further north northern england. plenty of wet weather around some outbreaks of rain which could be quite heavy and more persistent rain affecting eastern parts of scotland. a very soggy start to the day here as we go through the day here as we go through the day, the rain across parts of scotland and northern england will continue for a time, but it should start to break up as we go through into the afternoon and early evening. elsewhere, a scattering of showers around .

scattering of showers around. not as many as we've seen through today, and they're not looking quite as intense. less likely to have the odd rumble of thunder, but still some heavy ones possible. and temperatures in the north starting to drop down as we get a northerly wind making its way across the country. that northerly wind then will push its way southwards across pretty much the whole of the country as we go through thursday. and so that means it is going to be a chillier day, but much fewer showers around in fact, it's looking largely dry. yes, some showers around coastal parts, but many places having a dry day on thursday and sticking with that drier theme until the weekend. by by. >> expect a warm front moving from the kitchen right through to the rest of the house. boxt boilers

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>> documentary to follow. >> yeah, there's dangerous, brazen foreign criminals that foreign judges say we can't deport. how do we end this madness? plus, how many get out one. >> seven people killed and 48 injured. 21 of them in critical condition. a third major attack in three months. >> al—qaeda and isis are on the rise again in britain, and they're ready to attack. the latest intelligence david starkey bebe three. >> freedom fighters, the finnish warlord. >> well, what i want to know is, would a war in the middle east unleash the islamist enemy that we've let fester in britain? oh , we've let fester in britain? oh, and why is the media more obsessed with reporting about the far right? that's what i want to know. also tonight. >> but if the police decide to issue me with a fixed penalty notice, i would of course, do the right thing and step down.

>> wolf, starmer has been referred to the police now over potential breaches of electoral law. will he have to resign? >> also tonight , bosses got >> also tonight, bosses got their backs against the wall and they're being questioned. they'll then deliver a sob story every single time. >> labour's dawn butler opens her eyes, she sees more racism on my panel tonight it's columnist and broadcaster esther krakue. we've got the director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity, stephen wolf , and the economic prosperity, stephen wolf, and the long economic prosperity, stephen wolf , and the long suffering wolf, and the long suffering journalist jonathan lees. oh, and. i'm going to take you live to florida, where hurricane milton is set to wreak absolute havoc , supposedly crashing into havoc, supposedly crashing into land whilst i'm on air. so get ready, britain. here we go . ready, britain. here we go. britain is full next.

>> good evening. it's 10:00. britain is full next. >> good evening. it's10:00. i'm lewis mckenzie here in the gb newsroom . james cleverly has newsroom. james cleverly has overtaken robert jenrick to the top spot in the latest round of voting to be the next leader of the conservative party. cleverly leads the pack with 39 votes. robert jenrick in second with 31 and kemi badenoch third on 30. tom tugendhat has now been eliminated from the race, with only 20 votes. the final three candidates will now be whittled to down two in the next round of voting tomorrow afternoon . the voting tomorrow afternoon. the director general of m15 has warned that isis and al—qaeda are on the rise again, with an increased terror risk linked to the conflict in the middle east. in a stark warning at the counter—terrorism operations centre, ken mcmullen revealed

that iran has been linked to at least 20 deadly plots in the uk over the past two years. he says both groups are attempting to export terror . both groups are attempting to export terror. highlighting both groups are attempting to export terror . highlighting the export terror. highlighting the recently deadly attacks in moscow as brutal demonstrations of what isis is still capable of as the conflict between israel and iran intensifies. m15 is on high alert for any potential domestic repercussions . sir keir domestic repercussions. sir keir starmer is set for crucial talks in berlin, joining leaders from the united states, france and germany this saturday. the meeting will focus on the ongoing war in ukraine and the escalating situation in the middle east. it comes as tensions rise in lebanon , tensions rise in lebanon, prompting urgent diplomatic efforts among the so—called quad nations. efforts among the so—called quad nafions.the efforts among the so—called quad nations. the prime minister's spokesman says the meeting highlights the uk's commitment to tackling international issues alongside of its allies . and alongside of its allies. and finally, as you've just been

hearing, as hurricane milton makes its way towards florida governor ron desantis says, if you stay, you will die. satellite images show the storm churning through the gulf of mexico, with winds almost reaching up to 180mph. forecasters are warning of an 8 to 12 foot storm surge, the highest ever recorded in the region, and widespread flooding. it comes just two weeks after hurricane helene claimed over 200 lives in the southeastern part of the united states. well, those are your latest gb news headlines. i'm lewis mckenzie. more from me in an hour's time. but now it's back to patrick for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news. >> .com forward slash alerts .

>> .com forward slash alerts. >> .com forward slash alerts. >> mass immigration is making britain worse. we have had the fastest population rise since the 70s. our population grew by 1% in the last year alone to 68.3 million. and they're just the ones who are here legally. this impacts every single aspect of our lives. education. 2 in 3 special needs schools are overcrowded, so children with special needs are suffering . for special needs are suffering. for normal schools, class sizes are predicted to rise to 60 pupils per class and 9 in 10. teachers warn that this will damage a child's education. in bristol, leo varadkar used portacabins as overflow classrooms in wales, pupils are being turned down for places in their local school despite living in the catchment area. if you just google school places uk, it's full of articles like this. parents in sussex complaining about not enough school spots. it's right across the country. that's population growth. they're destroying education and ultimately making the next generation thicker . the next generation thicker. healthcare. more than 21 million

gp appointments involved a wait longer than 22 days between july 2021 and december 2023. the nhs waiting lists were above 7.5 million in june. here's a video of a queue outside a new nhs dentist surgery in bristol . and dentist surgery in bristol. and well, let's take a little look at it and see what see what you nofice at it and see what see what you notice there . lots of people, notice there. lots of people, isn't it? lots of people. yeah. well , they're all just waiting well, they're all just waiting for a dental practice. it turns out by the way, that it's expected to become normal scenes like this. if nhs dentists take on more patients. so kids are getting thicker, and now we're all getting sicker on housing. the uk housing crisis needs a london sized city to fix it. we have a city the size of leeds here illegally and another quarter of a million people waiting for some kind of asylum claim or appeal and people wonder why the birth rate is falling. because, frankly, a lot of british people don't want to have a child when they're squeezed into a bedsit that they

already can't afford. the economy . 1.6 already can't afford. the economy. 1.6 million unemployed migrants costing us £8.5 billion a year. and according to the centre for policy studies, migrants from the middle east, nonh migrants from the middle east, north africa and turkey aged between 25 and 64 are almost twice as likely to be economically inactive as someone born in the uk on crime. foreign criminals are twice as likely as british passport holders to be arrested. the arrest rate for foreign nationals averaged 22.2 per 1000 of the population, compared to 10.3 per 1000 for british citizens. so look, mass migration is hammering health care. the education system, pubuc care. the education system, public safety, the housing market and the economy. but of course, it's all worth it, isn't it ? for the lovely, lovely food. it? for the lovely, lovely food. let's get to my panel. this evening. we've got esther krakow, haven't we? there. who is, of course, a columnist and broadcaster. i've also got stephen wolf, the director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity and jonathan list, journalist and chief. i roller this evening . stephen, roller this evening. stephen, look, you've seen your job

title? i suppose. so i'll go to you first on this. there's various different aspects there of our lives that appear to be directly linked negatively to mass migration. or is that unfair? >> no, it's not unfair. population is a massive driver of how governments have to assess education, health, infrastructure, roads, taxation . infrastructure, roads, taxation. all of those are impacted by the numbers of people that live in this, in this country. and so as individuals in this country, you have to ask yourself, how do i live here? and live a nice, good, comfortable life? if, as we now know very clearly from the ons, which is not a political organisation, accepts that net migration has forced this country to have the fastest growth in population, that is also having a direct impact on on our population. what do you see? what do you see as our government now having to tax us more to fund something that was so obvious in the first place? mass migration makes the country poorer. >> are you are you worried about

the rate of population growth, do you think, in relation to our pubuc do you think, in relation to our public services? >> i don't actually understand why talking about this is so controversial. if you have a million people moving into this country over the last two years, and yet you haven't built a single more mile of road, or doctors are facing increasing pressure because literally the population that they've had to deal with have just increased in orders of magnitude that they're not prepared to handle . or not prepared to handle. or a pubuc not prepared to handle. or a public services, for example, haven't received the amount of investment they should. even for population that stayed stagnant 20 years ago. and then you now worsen that situation with the amount of population increase we've seen. i mean, it's just common sense. i don't really understand why. and i hate this word, but i don't really understand why we get into this toxic debate about, oh, you don't like immigrants or, you know, you're being hostile to foreigners or whatever. it's just a load of different facts . just a load of different facts. i'm sorry. you cannot maintain a good thing if you choose to deliberately undermine the things that make me make it clear here. >> this is about population growth. so it's irrespective of what nationality comes from . and what nationality comes from. and that must be the part that's part of this debate is about the

size of the population. >> well, so jonathan, you know what has just said there, which is that this isn't particularly controversial and that you just you can't was it maintain a good thing? >> you can't have 20 people living in a ten bedroom house. it just doesn't make sense. >> so what would be your retort to that then? >> well, for something that's not very important, there seems to be a remarkable obsession with it . what do you mean, it's with it. what do you mean, it's not important? well, i thought , not important? well, i thought, what what was the what was the first thing you said that esther had said? i thought you said that she'd said something about. >> i said it's not a racial issue . it's about. it's just issue. it's about. it's just a numbers issue. we have too many people, and we just can't cope. >> it's about population growth. >> it's about population growth. >> i've always said that immigration, the only limit on immigration, the only limit on immigration in this country, should be a capacity issue. i don't think that we've reached a capacity of immigration or anything like it. you go outside of any major city in britain and there's open countryside and that's not all green belt. it's not all areas of outstanding natural beauty. there is plenty of areas in this country where we can build new towns. if necessary, plenty of new

infrastructure . we are now infrastructure. we are now seeing a situation in britain where there are more people dying than being born. if it hadnt dying than being born. if it hadn't been for migration, the population of this country would have actually gone. >> you could argue that people might be having more kids, mightn't they? if they felt as though there were more school places. they had a better place to live and quality of life. >> if we actually valued childcare and invest in that and actually incentivise people to have to have kids, we can certainly have that conversation, jonathan. and that's distinct from migration. >> we did not have to spend the taxation on the increasing effect of mass migration and large population growth. we would have more money to be able to spend on a smaller population that would be able to work with it, and that's a very clear economic factor. and even the finally, the treasury is beginning to accept that because of the implication of large scale migration, is having a negative impact on people with gnp per capita, making us poorer each year, we're £100 less worse off just because of population

growth than we were last year. >> stephen, there are many, many economists and immigration experts only. will i have a i have a question. you actually say that migration has driven up wages. >> i have a genuine question. do you see any link between mass immigration or high levels of immigration or high levels of immigration or high levels of immigration or unsustainable levels of however, like massive immigration, population increase and worsening public services? do you see any link there at all or housing or anything like that, or is it just, you know, no, i see i see the failure of pubuc no, i see i see the failure of public services in this country as a result of the last conservative government in particular, is deliberately underfunding of public sector. >> and i think that's the problem driving them into the ground. >> and i think that's the big divide. those who just look at pubuc divide. those who just look at public services only because it's an impact of the conservative government not being able to spend enough, have a blind spot that do not accept that population growth driven by mass immigration, has that mass impact. and until they make themselves and the alignment on that, we're only going to get w0 i'se. woi'se. >> worse. >> stephen. we need we. aside

from the fact that i think the migration, as i've said, many a million times and will say it till i'm blue in the face, migration is an unqualified good.1 migration is an unqualified good. i will argue it to the day i die that migration is a very, very good why. and it's also been a consistent in human history since since since humans came in. >> you also said jonathan, with respect , mate, you also say that respect, mate, you also say that we haven't hit the capacity point, but then your argument was the reason why we don't think we've hit capacity point is because there's loads of fields in britain that we can build on. >> i'm saying increase our capacity. i'm saying that you said britain is full. i'm saying britain is not full. it's we can we can come back to look, patrick, we can say england is full. we can have a conversation in 20 years time about whether we've reached capacity. but the fundamental point is that we, aside from the fact that biology of migration , ideological of migration, ideological grounds, we need migrants to actually fund those public services we were just talking about without those migrants coming in to work in our public services, they'd be even worse. >> i fundamentally disagree, i think there is a way that you can have managed migration into a country by actually increasing productivity, by ensuring that you have services that work to the population as a whole, rather than necessarily

importing people . it includes importing people. it includes training. it involves encouraging more people into work. it's also it's not either or. >> it's also a lie that we're getting richer or the country is benefiting economically from having mass migration. 1 mean, it's categorically a lie. it's just not true. >> it'sjust just not true. >> it's just untrue. >> it's just untrue. >> so what would you do? what would you do? esther? would you would you do? esther? would you would you do? esther? would you would you put a fixed cap on it? what would you do? >> well, yeah. gosh. what would i do ? first of all, a cap on i do? first of all, a cap on immigration will depends on the industry. but i think overall actually sticking to certain numbers and trying to bring them down every year is sensible. i'm sorry. you need to clean up britain's foreign prison population. like that's just common sense. we need to actually like i don't want to use the word raid because it's quite emotive, but we need to deport illegal immigrants. there are about, i think the most recent report from from an oxford study was 750,000. i mean, i mean, that's, that's actually last year it was around 1 million. so if it's somewhere between 750,000 and 1 million, that's just not acceptable . we that's just not acceptable. we need to actually deport more, but we actually have to encourage people to want to stay

because we're talking about net immigration. we're not talking about people that have left. right. who like, who are we replacing the british people that have left with, well, this is it. >> but in order in order to make this level of population growth work, we're going to have to dedicate basically all of our time and energy to consistently building new hospitals, new schools , new houses, 24 over schools, new houses, 24 over seven with an economy that's basically forever. and then we're going to be told, well, in to order do that, we need to import a lot more people to do it. and so then what happens is constantly chasing our tail on this, aren't we? >> yeah. ten years ago in >> yeah. ten years ago i was in a in london talking to a hotel bar in london talking to a hotel bar in london talking to a senior cfo of a large scale housing company company that's on the ftse. and they said then that if you wanted to try and reduce prices in housing, you had to build a million houses or apartments in london. that's the number that you used in your heading tonight , ten years heading tonight, ten years later. and the reason for that, he said, is because we just don't have enough space on housing in the areas where people want to live. and that's

a contrary argument, because if you want people to go and live in a nice countryside area in the middle of wales, there's no jobs for them there. there's no infrastructure for them there, there's no schools for them there's no schools for them there . scotland is the country there. scotland is the country that's declining in terms of population in here. no one's wanting to live up there . wanting to live up there. actually, there's more deaths than there are births, as we've just seen in the report from the ons. shove them all up there if you want. let's take 1.5 of those unemployed people who have come from different countries and let them work up there, but they can't. so that's where the lie to this argument comes in. they want to live in the metropolitan areas where their jobs house them. >> well, that's where i interpret migration is also internal. people have been migrating to the cities from the countryside for centuries, since before there was a job, though a lot of the time you move, you move, you move. move, you move. >> move, you move. >> having got a job, that's how most people do it . most people do it. >> people move and look. >> people move and look. >> most people will not move to london voluntarily without a job like the only appeal of london. i'm sorry. the only appeal of london is a job. is a job because london, it's a it's a crap hole. >> okay, don't say that.

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welcome back to patrick christys . welcome back to patrick christys. tonight. all of tomorrow's newspaper front pages are heading your way. very soon. but first, the head of m15, ken mccallum , issued a stark warning mccallum, issued a stark warning about the uk's terror threat level in a speech earlier today . level in a speech earlier today. but with headlines like that, i mean, look at this. so m15 boss

reveals staggering three fold rise in children investigated for terrorism online memes drawing them into right wing ideology. so by the way , can i ideology. so by the way, can i just say that daily mail headune just say that daily mail headline there? i mean, the daily mail? not exactly known for leaning to the left, but daily mail headlined their right wing ideology not even far right anymore. we're just saying that it's extreme to be right wing, but headlines like that, you'd have been forgiven for thinking this was all the fault of the so—called far right, which is actually very strange. if you listen to what this chap said, because the m15 boss eventually got round to talking about what he was most concerned about, and he was most concerned about, and he said this. >> you've seen appalling loss of life in gaza and now lebanon, and conflict spiralling in the wider region, with all the implications that brings for middle eastern and uk security today, we are powerfully arrived alive to the risk that events in the middle east directly trigger terrorist action in the uk. i'll finish here with a terrorist trend that concerns me most the worsening threat from al—qaeda. and in particular from islamic

state, right . state, right. >> so, so just so we're clear, you couldn't be clearer . that's you couldn't be clearer. that's the threat that worries him most. yeah. why did you spend the entirety of your speech up to that point prattling on about the far right? then i can understand that it's a concern. but then all the headlines become about that as opposed to, you know, what concerns you most. could it be that you're afraid of something anyway? will afraid of something anyway? will a war in the middle east start a war here in britain? i'm joined now by the former islamist turned extremism prevention educator, salama. so how great to see you again. thank you very much for coming on the show. so, you know, there we have it. the threat that concerns him most. do you think that if we have another war that in some way we're involved in, in the middle east, that we're just going to see a load of home—grown attacks here? >> mel stride are called for calm in this regard. i am deeply concerned about the potential for terrorism to become kind of rife again . i for terrorism to become kind of rife again. i think for terrorism to become kind of rife again . i think the last rife again. i think the last time in which we had a lot of

terrorist attacks, it was in one yeah terrorist attacks, it was in one year. we had the manchester arena attack. we had all the london bridge attacks, and thankfully since then there's been a lull. but if something were to occur in, say, in the middle east and britain and the united states were involved , united states were involved, right, what would then happen is that it would provide a grievance narrative that would then inflame certain individuals who are already radicalised , or who are already radicalised, or who are already radicalised, or who are already radicalised, or who are thereby more likely to become radicalised, and thereby, therefore, they would then potentially engage in acts of terrorism. >> and have we not been very naive about this? have we not kind of allowed this situation to happen really ? to happen really? >> i absolutely agree with you. i think that successive previous governments have failed to manage immigration, immigration in the sense that they failed to put in place effective integration policies . and for integration policies. and for too long, we've allowed

extremism to be rife to breed in the united kingdom, even in prisons, the most controlled environments you could imagine and previous governments and even current governments in the in the recent era, it's become very clear that many people are afraid to deal with the threat, because on the one hand, you have the far left that are essentially calling anyone who attempts to deal with this, including muslims themselves , as including muslims themselves, as being islamophobic or racist. and if therefore, the government becomes involved , they're also becomes involved, they're also then criticised and it creates headunes then criticised and it creates headlines and it causes a headache for the government . headache for the government. >> yeah. and you know, you're absolutely spot on about all of that. we do also appear to have a head of m15 there who you know, i listened to his speech today and, you know, for quite a while during it, i really thought it was going to be a

speech entirely dedicated to the far right. and we've got all these people now, you know, these people now, you know, these young people who are becoming increasingly extreme. and then right at the end, i mean literally says, i will now finish with the thing that concerns me most. well, i'm sorry, that's not normally the way i would structure something. i would normally lead in with the thing that concerned me most. but then all the headlines and all the chattering classes look at what's happening with the far right now. i don't want to see any far right terror attacks. i don't want to see the rise of genuine far right. i obviously don't want to see that. but we can't get around the idea that we appear to be having it hidden from us, that the major threat here is islamist terrorism, isn't it ? islamist terrorism, isn't it? >> honestly, i'd say that when you hide things, or even if it's perceived that you're hiding them, that creates distrust. and that's going to inflame the actual far right even more . actual far right even more. secondly, i'd also point out that whilst the far right threat is more prevalent in a sense it's more frequent. the actual intensity of it is much lower . intensity of it is much lower. therefore, you don't see any

terror attacks , whereas with terror attacks, whereas with islamists they're fewer in number. but the intensity is much higher to the point that they're far more willing to engagein they're far more willing to engage in violence. and that should be underscored. but unfortunately, it's kind of creating this impression that for some bizarre reason, the far right is the largest threat. 1 do not think it is the largest threat is the islamist threat. it might it's very much the case that the far right threat is growing , but it's not got to the growing, but it's not got to the point where it is to the point of islamist extremism. >> i do wonder this is a complete stab in the dark whether or not there is the ideological difference between maybe some people in the far right who do not wish to actually physically die for their cause. and some people on their cause. and some people on the islamist side who almost appear to welcome death as part of their their cause. and i wonder if that is one of the things that's behind the discrepancy in the actual number

or volume of attacks. so just one, one final one with you, if that's okay. when it comes to foreign policy, now we see the way that the middle east is at the moment and the world is at the moment and the world is at the moment. my concern would be that governments in this country would not necessarily take action. that might actually be in the best interest of this country, because they fear the fact that there's been, well , fact that there's been, well, frankly, some kind of trojan horse here and that that would be that would be a problem. do you think that we're there, that the idea that we've allowed a lot of extremism in and allowed it to fester will now mean that we might not always act in a correct manner for ourselves on the world stage . the world stage. >> let me be clear. what that means is that we've handed over the reins of control to the most extreme elements within our society, that that i cannot stress enough, that cannot be allowed to take place. because then essentially we've lost control any if when british foreign policy is formulated, it needs to be formulated in the british interest, it cannot ever

be formulated to appease any extremist form, any extremist kind of trend, any extremist group that absolutely cannot happen. >> okay . look, thank you very >> okay. look, thank you very much. it's always a pleasure to get your your insight. and as always, whenever we chat, i kind of wish that maybe we had a bit of wish that maybe we had a bit of a longer form thing. maybe we should try and make that happen at some point. so sahel ahmed, who is a former islamist turned extremism prevention educator, just reacting to what the head of m15 has said there, really, which is that al—qaeda and isis are on the rise here in the uk. and you've got to be concerned, haven't you, when it comes to things that are going on abroad and is that going to play out on our streets? but coming up, and is that going to play out on our streets? but coming up , the our streets? but coming up, the very first of tomorrow's newspaper front pages have landed. i'll bring them to you in just a second, and we are going live to florida. why? because hurricane milton is apparently complete havoc at the .so

welcome back to patrick christys. tonight. i have got

all of tomorrow's newspaper front pages, so let's do them. we start with the metro. oh, wagatha. thrifty rooney versus vardy, court claims revealed. so £3.50 bottle sparks a £18 million legal battle. can i just say i am wondering whether or not some people should be allowed access to a money and b lawyers because millionaire wags coleen rooney and rebekah vardy are battling it out in court over the cost of water bottles in a hotel minibar. let it go, let it go. the i in a hotel minibar. let it go, let it go. the 1 m15 warns about iran plots on british soil. we touched on that a little bit earlier. in fact, a few minutes ago. yeah. let's go to the daily telegraph . chancellor looks at telegraph. chancellor looks at cut to pension withdrawals. so tax free lump sum may be £100,000 after recommendation from think tanks. so that could be a way of maybe trying to appease the pensioners. there's also a story here james cleverly sprints ahead in tory leadership race a man has never sprinted

before in his life. it just says that that man has never sprinted before in his life. and gosh, i would never say such a thing. but james cleverly is surged into the lead as the conservative leadership race. so that's that's an interesting one. as we look at the final two get announced tomorrow, don't they? yeah, tomorrow we know we know the top two. let's just round it off with the some exclusive cops fury after mayor and home secretary pressed the met to give taylor swift a royal blue light escort . look at what blue light escort. look at what taylor made us do. seriously, i mean, are they seriously? >> did they really give her a blue light escort? >> oh, why are lady give her a blue light card with this stuff? like with celebrity ? what is it, like with celebrity? what is it, their obsession? >> the thing is, i don't think people realise our government is basically formed of student activists, right ? activists, right? >> who love taylor swift? >> who love taylor swift? >> how many? how many? like actual like private sector business people or people who've been successful independently have nothing to do with public service? do you see in the government you know, well, let's just say, no, i wasn't going to do this, but screw it, let's just do it. >> so, so we've got this. we do also have we do also have

another story , which is that another story, which is that which in a way ties in but same same but different about keir starmer being referred to police who are yet to take any action about potential electoral register issues. and that's in relation to lord ali's property and also his own. so there's that, that's, that's coming down the track . he said, didn't he, the track. he said, didn't he, that if the police ever found any wrongdoing during beer and gamergate that he would go, so watch this space. but this on the front of the sun is the new one. you know, this is this is. yeah. sadiq khan and yvette cooper apparently wanting police to give a blue light royal escort to taylor swift. 1 mean, i don't get it. >> i don't get it. would you give it to every, every singer now, do we just line them all up or is something particularly special about taylor swift she needs. maybe they'll give her a blue card next. you know, to be able to get 10% off in each shop. >> go on. jonathan. >> go on. jonathan. >> i mean, she is the biggest p0p >> i mean, she is the biggest pop star in the world, bar none. and she had literally just had to cancel all her shows in vienna because of a credible terrorist threat. oh, vienna, is it possible that there were maybe some intelligence that we don't know about, but about potential threats to her

security and safety in london? think about it. if a pop star has just had to cancel their concerts because of a credible terrorist threat in a country nearby, and they're coming to do oh nine, what, nine dates at wembley stadium ? if you're the wembley stadium? if you're the labour government, you want to avoid any potential threats. >> it's not a country nearby, it's austria . it's in europe, it's austria. it's in europe, right nearby. okay. it's not i mean, well , okay. mean, well, okay. >> i mean, to be fair, i do. i appreciate what you're saying . appreciate what you're saying. >> i get i get a point. >> i get i get a point. >> i get i get a point. >> i mean, can you imagine if there had been something can you imagine if there had been an attack? can you imagine if there had been an attack on or an attempted attack on taylor swift? and what would have happened to the labour government would have had to answer all questions about why they would have been protecting her. >> so you'd have been able to report firsthand they can't do right for doing wrong, can they? >> they just can't win. why don't we just acknowledge it? >> they can't. people have lost. maybe they could have done that before the manchester bombing, because they seem to be very keen on doing favours for their friends and their unions, but then they forget everyone else . then they forget everyone else. i wouldn't personally have a problem with this if it was in a different context. but you know,

this is the same party that are happy to cut again. i keep 1 keep harping on about the winter fuel payments, but it feels like they are letting the average person down. but if you're in the right circles, if you're a lord alli, if you're donating millions of pounds to the labour party, you somehow get a free pass with most things. and i think that's not right. >> maybe one thing we could both agree, jonathan, is that if it was oasis, then i would be in favour of a royal escort. so there we go. >> and we are going to go after the ticketmaster debacle? >> no actually. on the ticketmaster debacle? >> no actually. oh yeah. gosh, you weren't complete reverse ferry on that. fair enough anyway. right. we are going now to florida. yay i residents are to florida. yay! residents are preparing for the worst as hurricane milton makes its way towards the sunshine state, which might now have to change its name. it is currently under three. >> milton's not a really nice name, is it ? name, is it? >> milton? yeah, that's a dog's name. >> just remembers the milk bottles as you were kids. >> named after the poet john. no doubt. >> okay, i'm going to crack on, guys. all right, so it is currently under 300km off the southwest coast of florida. winds of up to 155 miles an houn winds of up to 155 miles an hour. expected more than a

million people have been advised to evacuate. i mean, this is this is a proper, proper stuff. florida governor ron desantis has actually warned people to prepare for major, major impacts. he said leave or die. which bit extreme. joining me down the line from saint petersburg in florida is tampa bay times reporter colleen. right. colleen, it's great to see you. so i mean, how bad are we expecting this to be? >> we're expecting it to be pretty bad. even if your house might not flood from historic 10 to 15ft of storm surge, even if your house is still here from winds. we're looking at potentially a week or more without power. and that's maybe a conservative estimate . a conservative estimate. >> ron desantis has said leave or die, apparently. i can't help but notice you appear to have stayed. >> so why yes . so stayed. >> so why yes. so i stayed. >> so why yes . so i where i live >> so why yes. so i where i live is actually not under evacuation and not in a flood zone. however, i am also evacuating tomorrow. tomorrow morning. but i'm going to a shelter that's just a few miles away and that's

a message that's being pushed out, is you don't even have to go to another state or drive very far. some of the highways are jammed. you could just go to are jammed. you could just go to a shelter that's built to withstand hurricanes, and that's exactly what i'm doing, because i fully expect to lose power. i lost power for two and a half days with hurricane helene literally less than two weeks ago. >> yeah . and is this expected to >> yeah. and is this expected to be worse than that? i mean, some of these images from space are absolutely terrifying. in fact, there was even one actually from i think it was the international space station. it was certainly someone who was up there. and i mean, it's just ridiculous the size of this thing. >> yeah, it's quite scary. and the tampa bay area has not suffered a direct hit since 1921. and people are taking it seriously. i think, you know, we had several deaths here in pinellas county. that's the county that's the gulf beaches, very densely populated . we had very densely populated. we had over a dozen people die . and i over a dozen people die. and i think people are spooked about that. i think people are taking it seriously. and we are seeing shelters fill up . shelters fill up. >> gosh. and, you know, people

are i mean , this is this is are i mean, this is this is a serious, you know, potential loss of life hurricane that, you know, the likes of which has not been seen on this scale for, for quite a while is it. and these shelters, i mean, so a million people, i mean, look, by the way, this is what you're watching on your screen now is from is from cancun. so this presumably is, is on its way at some of that lightning and the way that it's thundering into the ground there is just unbelievable. and are you going to end up seeing what millions of people possibly clustered into these shelters? >> i wouldn't say millions. you know, most people are leaving to go to friends and family, you know, either in state somewhere else in the state. we've got i've seen folks go to west palm beach, miami, even more inland, like orlando, ocala, the panhandle. but some are going to georgia , alabama, and some are georgia, alabama, and some are going to shelters. it just depends on what your arrangements are and what works for your family. if you have special needs, if you have pets, that's why it's so important for

floridians who live here to make a plan . you know my plan. i'm a plan. you know my plan. i'm a journalist. i need to stay kind of close by, but i also need to take care of myself. so my plan is to go to a local shelter nearby and then. >> and then when it is all kicking off, if you can, are you going to be trying to get out there and get video footage and talk to people? because, i mean, that does sound incredibly dangerous . dangerous. >> yeah. not not if it's not safe. not if it's not safe to go out and drive. i would never put myself in harm's way. it's just not worth it. there will be, unfortunately, plenty to cover in the aftermath. the mayor here in the aftermath. the mayor here in the aftermath. the mayor here in the city of saint petersburg is already talking about rebuilding. >> gosh, great. okay, well, look, you stay safe. thank you very much for taking the time out of your day to come and talk to us this evening. very finally, i have a panellist here who thinks that she's going to florida in the next two days. do you reckon that flight will take off and land there ? off and land there? >> where is it? >> where is it? >> landing ? >> where is it? >> landing? miami. miami.

>> landing? miami. miami. >> two days, maybe not. >> two days, maybe not. >> okay. >> okay. >> all right . maybe. >> okay. >> all right. maybe. i'm not sure. i'm not sure. not in miami, but maybe not. maybe. maybe pick another time. >> okay. all right. >> okay. all right. >> well, hey, look, you know, we'll see, won't we? but i'm not on a on a very serious note. genuinely. please do take care. and it's lovely to talk to you and all the best to chat to you again very, very soon. okay. all right. so well watch this space when it comes to what's going on over there in the states. so yeah we'll move on from that stuff. but talking to you okay. well it's a shame because i was going to ask you about i'm going to ask you after the break. we stayed too long in america. unlike up. i'll bring you very best of

>> welcome back to patrick christys tonight. got a couple more front pages for you now. so here's the daily mail . russia more front pages for you now. so here's the daily mail. russia is plotting mayhem in britain . m15 plotting mayhem in britain. m15

chief's chilling warning about putin's spies. he reveals that uk also faces a staggering threat from radicalised teens. let's go to the guardian . reeves let's go to the guardian. reeves presses ahead with plans to borrow billions for investment. i'll be honest with you, i thought that was prince harry. but it's not prince harry with a cat. it's a man a man gets ready to evacuate from. it's in the guardian now. a man gets ready to evacuate from florida. there we go. so there we are , right we go. so there we are, right cleverly in top spot as well. they talk about. right. good stuff . so those are your papers stuff. so those are your papers now? i just wanted to just withers on to a story that i was mainly going the rounds on, on social media, but i thought i'd bnng social media, but i thought i'd bring to your attention. so last time labour mp dawn butler posted a black history month video, she was forced to apologise and remove elements of that video after it emerged that she used photographs of convicted rapists and murderers. but she just can't help herself because she's back at it this time. she's talking about structural discrimination and the big bosses got their backs

against the wall, and they're being questioned. >> they'll then deliver a sob story for the mediocre person. >> if you don't know rachel's story. in 2008, she was locked in a room crying. >> the point is, they might have had a hard life . they might have had a hard life. they might have struggled. but are they the best person for the job? and that's the structure of it, because they're trying to take away all of the stuff that made them put this person in, because they liked them. they're one of them. they're in the club. they're the right skin colour, they're the right skin colour, they're the right class. that is what we have to change. >> right. so do you think that every time dawn butler opens her eyes she sees something racist? or has she got a point? >> no, i think she just finds racism behind every tree. on a serious note, i think there is. i think there are many politicians that suffer with this problem, which is judgement and thinking when it's appropriate to say something and not to say something. i don't really think there is much to be gained from trying to defend rapists and murderers. that's just my. i think she could have lived a very comfortable life

not having to do this. >> yeah, i do wonder with that, to be fair, but many politicians lack judgement. i'm not sure she realised who they were, but yeah, i get what you mean and it's not her fault. >> i don't think she actually knew. >> i don't think well if she did know then that's ridiculous. >> but yeah, but the thing is, a lot of these people have like, you know, young work like like university graduates that work for them on these things. so, you know, i wouldn't hold it against her. >> well, go on john. on go on, go on jonathan do you do. what do you reckon to that. i mean, i'll be honest with you. i mean, not that i'm massively invested in the australian break dance scene, but i did feel a little bit sorry for that woman who was at the olympics, because not only was she outed as a completely rubbish break dancer, but now dawn butler is essentially essentially saying she's a racist. >> well, i felt a bit sorry for her anyway, to be honest, because i think that the backlash against her was was completely hysterical. look, i need to see dawn butler's whole clip to comment on it. really, just from that small one. i don't really have much to say about it. clearly, there is a lot of racism in the world. i don't know if the break dance would settle down. anything

racist. he might think it's a little bit uncharitable to pick on somebody as an example of a bigger problem when they might not. you know, it's not as though she is deliberately excluded. 1 mean, as to my knowledge, i don't think that she deliberately excluded superior break dancers made from ethnic minorities so she could go to paris, but i don't know. so i can't really comment any further than that. okay, cool. >> what do you reckon, stephen? do you think there's a, there's a, there's a risk here that dawn butler is just, is almost like pumping out too much of this stuff. >> firstly, as someone who did break dancing in 1985 was manchester's first break dance champion . i actually found the champion. i actually found the australian pathetic. what? yeah , australian pathetic. what? yeah, that's another story. it goes back long, long time . used to do back long, long time. used to do windmills and used to do the hand spins and head spins. on hand spins and head spins. oh yeah. go on. i'm not going to do it here on the stage. no. do you have a video on that? well, in those days this happened because it's the only way. >> is there any way we can make this happen? >> i know we've got shots. we can make it happen. >> do it. i'm not going to do it now. >> okay. all right, fair enough, fair enough. next week. >> dangerous. anyway. >> dangerous. anyway. >> next week. far too dangerous.

>> next week. far too dangerous. >> yeah, but the point is, is anyone here concerned about health and safety? yeah, but don't be stupid. come on. broke nonsense, patrick. >> health and safety . >> health and safety. >> health and safety. >> bloody lefties. a lot of you. come on. we might get more money. get on your feet and do it. >> but the point was, we used to come and flip on that. all right, i'm dawn butler. just finds racism in the back of every car boot. and i find it offensive because she just is that sort of person that does not accept that people of colour black people, asians can succeed irrespective. all right. irrespective. what did you think of that? >> behind every car boot? >> behind every car boot? >> look, we're gonna have to. we're gonna have to. >> i don't know where she gets it from. >> we're gonna have to. we're gonna have to. >> it removes any argument of inequality by the ridiculous statement she makes. >> okay. all right. we're going to have to whiz it on now to reveal today's greatest britain and union jackass. it's been a lively show, hasn't it? greatest britain, please, christine smith. yes, yes, yes. so christine smith is i'm very glad

that you've noticed christine smith, christine smith is the wonderful lady that i met yesterday at the pensioners protest from the newcastle weir and tyne waspi women group. here's a clip. >> nearly 300,000 waspi women have already died. >> your own research has told you another 4000 will die. this winter from removal of the winter from removal of the winter fuel allowance. >> well done. she's the self—funded has come down from the north—east to come and tell the north—east to come and tell the politicians that they wanted a little bit more support for, well, quite a lot more support actually for pensioners. so massive stuff. and i'm reliably informed that a load of the waspi women from the north east are watching tonight. so if you are. hello. right. who's your greatest briton, please? >> well, i can't compete with that, but i was going to say dominic cummings for actually doing over emily maitlis. dominic does not like me. makes it very clear he didn't like me. but notwithstanding that, i love the fact that he put emily maitlis in her place about the eu's procurement policies over covid vaccines, she was totally

wrong and she's made a fool of herself and he's corrected her. >> okay, go on then. >> okay, go on then. >> jonathan louise hague, transport secretary, for taking the universally popular decision of getting rid of the advertising board at euston, which was quite dangerous because people had to sort of flock to those much smaller boards to see their trains . and boards to see their trains. and the platform gets announced two minutes before the train leaves. and so you have quite dangerous overcrowding at euston. it's a terrible station, but on the flip side, she's now announcing likely that hs2 will in fact go to houston rather than terminating. oh yeah, in the middle of nowhere in west london. so at least let's just do one thing right with the long term infrastructure in this country, for god's sake. >> fine. oh yeah , good stuff >> fine. oh yeah, good stuff actually, that i am, of course, going for this week's winner being christine smith. so thank you very, very much. and it was great to meet you yesterday and ihope great to meet you yesterday and i hope to see you again at the next pensioners protest. whose union. jackass. please. boris johnson okay. >> particular reason his smug pontificating well can you just

vanish. >> no . fine. well no is the >> no. fine. well no is the answer because i hope he's going to be on the channel soon. >> but anyway, i wanted to nominate him too, by the way. >> oh, sorry. okay. go on. >> well, i'm obviously going for super sambuca. duca. the albanian criminal who drives around a 300,000. >> honestly, i don't know. yeah. all right, this is the guy. >> he's. he's an albanian criminal. that nice callback. i like it at the back of the programme. >> and if you look, he's wearing a breakdancing jacket. >> okay. and you have gone for. >> okay. and you have gone for. >> i've gone for benjamin netanyahu, who's currently the prime minister of israel, for continuing his assault on lebanon in particular, which is completely outrageous. all right. >> i'm going for super sambuca. what's his face? pooka, who ? what's his face? pooka, who? dorian, who has been kept in the country thanks to the echr. right. okay. thank you very much, everybody. lovely stuff. i've run out of time. i'll see you tomorrow at 9 pm. >> expect a warm front moving

from the kitchen right through to the rest of the house. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. here's your latest gb news weather update coming to you from the met office. looking ahead. and by thursday things are looking largely dry but quite a bit colder than of late. for the time being, though, still plenty of wet weather around. low pressure dominating the story across the uk. it's this low pressure that has brought all the heavy, thundery showers many of us have seen through today, and there will be some further showers as we go through the next few hours across england and wales, but many of them clearing away towards the east overnight. some persistent rain continuing though, across parts of northern england and eastern scotland, so staying pretty soggy here with quite a bit of cloud around. temperatures won't drop a huge amount, especially in the towns and cities, many places holding up in double figures. there will be generally fewer showers around tomorrow , fewer showers around tomorrow, but there will be some. in fact, even from the start, across far southern parts of england, a few

showers, quite likely, perhaps a little bit drier across central southern parts of wales and the midlands for a time. but further north northern england. plenty of wet weather around, some outbreaks of rain , which could outbreaks of rain, which could be quite heavy and more persistent. rain affecting eastern parts of scotland. a very soggy start to the day here as we go through the day, the rain across parts of scotland and northern england will continue for a time, but it should start to break up as we go through into the afternoon and early evening elsewhere. a scattering of showers around. not as many as we've seen through today, and they're not looking quite as intense . less looking quite as intense. less likely to have the odd rumble of thunder, but still some heavy ones possible. and temperatures in the north starting to drop down as we get a northerly wind making its way across the country. that northerly wind then will push its way southwards across pretty much the whole of the country. as we go through thursday. and so that means it is going to be a chillier day, but much fewer showers around. in fact, it's looking largely dry. yes, some showers around coastal parts , showers around coastal parts, but many places having a dry day

on thursday and sticking with that drier theme until the weekend. by by. >> we can expect clear skies leading to a light and warm day ahead. lovely boxt

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newsroom . james cleverly has newsroom. james cleverly has overtaken robert jenrick to the top spot in the latest round of voting to be the next leader of the conservative party. cleverly leads the pack with 39 votes, robert jenrick second with 31 and kemi badenoch third on 30. tom tugendhat has now been eliminated from the race with only 20 votes. the final three candidates will now be whittled down to two in the next round of voting, set to take place tomorrow afternoon . the director tomorrow afternoon. the director general of m15 has warned that isis and al—qaeda are on the rise again, with an increased terrorist attack linked to the conflict in the middle east. in a stark warning at the counter—terrorism operations centre, ken mcmullen revealed that iran has been linked to at least 20 deadly plots in the uk over the past two years. he says both groups are attempting to quote export terror. highlighting the recent deadly

attacks in moscow as