race, leaving the tory members to choose between kemi badenoch and robert jenrick. it's certainly a lean to the right, but are either of them capable of taking the fight to starmer.7 for the first time in 50 years, the uk has had more deaths than births. despite that, our population has seen a record increase due to you guessed it, net migration. let's have a frank conversation about the pros and cons of letting lots of people come and live on this beautiful island. a new report is telling the government that they are neglecting to view climate change as a national security emergency. how scared should we all be of what we used to call the weather and you need the government to take the risks more seriously. plus, a new study suggests that students across the country are being depnved across the country are being deprived of up to date sex education. our schools denying our kids access to important information. or is this taking our curriculum to a more graphic and inappropriate place .7 we'll

and inappropriate place? we'll keep it clean . we know it's keep it clean. we know it's before 9:00. before all that, though, a very happy birthday to michelle dewberry from everyone here @gbnews. i hope you're having a lovely day. michelle. now i want to hear from you on all of today's topics. get in touch with me as always. gbnews.com/yoursay. first, the very latest news headlines with katie bowen . katie bowen. >> bev. thank you. and a very good evening to you. the time has just gone 6:00. i'm katie bowen in the gb newsroom. as you've been hearing this afternoon, tory mps have now selected the final two candidates in the conservative leadership election, with kemi badenoch and robert jenrick making it through to the members vote. kemi badenoch received 42 votes. robert jenrick picked up 41 and james cleverly received 37, meaning he has now been eliminated from the race. in a tweet, cleverly has thanked his

colleagues party members and the pubuc colleagues party members and the public for the support he received during the campaign. gb news political editor christopher hope spoke to robert jenrick earlier on. >> very specific plan as to how we do that, whether it's improving the nhs, getting growth, going again in our economy or yes , securing our economy or yes, securing our borders. i don't believe in platitudes. i want us to have a serious plan now as to how we move forward and get this party back into gear for the good of our country. >> well, jenrick's rival kemi badenoch had this to say a short while later. >> it doesn't matter. people are heanng >> it doesn't matter. people are hearing what i'm saying and they think my approach is right, that you start with principles first and then policy. we need to unite behind a real conservatism that means something to the country. >> and you can watch the final two battle it out in a special live event here on gb news on the 17th of october. elsewhere in politics, sir keir starmer faced questions in the house of commons this lunchtime as prime minister's questions returned. the leader of the opposition , the leader of the opposition, rishi sunak, probed sir keir on

whether tax rises were on the honzon whether tax rises were on the horizon in the upcoming budget. the tory leader, in one of his last pmqs, questioned the prime minister on if a promise not to raise taxes in the chancellor's budget applies to national insurance contributions from both employers and employees. here's what the prime minister had to say in an absolute commitment in relation to not raising tax on working people. >> he, of course, was the experts expert on raising taxes . experts expert on raising taxes. and what did we get in return for it? we've got a broken economy, broken public services and a £22 billion black hole in the economy. we're here to stabilise the economy, and we will do so to the us . will do so to the us. >> the biggest hurricane in a century is now hitting florida . century is now hitting florida. and moments ago, the president of the united states, joe biden, has urged residents to follow all safety advice as he holds a press conference. if you're watching on television, these are live pictures we're bringing you from fort myers in the

united states, where the hurricane is now impacting. president biden has expressed sympathy with those residents who were recently battered by hurricane helene. >> many communities in hurricane milton's path do not have a moment to catch their breath . moment to catch their breath. between helene and milton, two historic storm storms in two weeks. i want to thank everyone who has followed local guidance to evacuate ahead of landfall. i know it's really tough leaving behind your home, your belongings, everything you own. but i urge everyone in hurricane milton's path to follow all safety instructions as we head into the next 24 hours. >> those are your latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm katie bowen. more from me in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

forward slash alerts. >> good evening. welcome to dewbs& co with me bev turner. it's michelle's birthday today. so joining me on my panel, the former conservative mp ranil jayawardena and the political journalist joey grunwald. get your views into me this evening gbnews.com/yoursay. i will be keeping an eye on the inbox as we get through the show, but what a day. commentators like me look a bit stupid tonight. i for one, spent the morning on gb news saying that james cleverly was a shoo in for the conservative leadership trophy. but shock horror, kemi badenoch and robert jenrick beat james cleverly, left him in their dust. frankly, just a few hours ago and we gb news will be hosting the most important debate between the pair on thursday, october the 17th. the new leader will eventually be unveiled on november the second. you can see the reaction even they were surprised at renee. let me start with you two questions. does anyone care who leads the tories? let's go there. and out of these two, who

should it be? >> well, i think it's really important for the country as a whole that we have a strong conservative party, a strong opposition, because someone's got to hold the labour government to account. otherwise any government can get out of control. and certainly this one's already demonstrated that it would. and i have to say, though, i've not yet made my own decision, i'm going to wait until the gb news hustings on thursday. the 17th to really figure out what i think about this. what's clear is both have a similar analysis of the problem. they've accepted that the conservative party made mistakes, both of them, and both of them dodi cleverly, he started his speech at conference saying, i'm sorry, i'm sorry indeed. and so i think this shows that whoever gets the leadership, whoever it might have been , people do recognise have been, people do recognise that change is required. and that's a really important starting point . it's really starting point. it's really important we don't simply presume that because the labour are mucking it up, that it's our to job simply come back and walk back into downing street. we've got to fight for it. we've got

to make sure that we are better in the future than we were in the past. >> zoe, what do you make of it? what do you think happened today? because particularly at the conservative conference, it certainly seemed that the jury was decided that james cleverly was decided that james cleverly was more statesmanlike, that he got the tone . well, i've got the tone. well, i've listened to a lot of people come in and out of the studio in the last week or so, talking about him in those terms and thinking, are you just being a little bit, slightly sexist? because, you know, what you see as a leader is a bloke in a suit who speaks the very deep voice and takes it very seriously . and i always very seriously. and i always thought kemi badenoch had a really good shot at it. so what do you think happened today? >> well, it's interesting, i mean, i was with you. i thought it was going to be cleverly. i thought, but then again, i also wrote a piece in the newspaper saying it was going to be pretty patel not that long ago. so i think what this does show is that often leadership contests are full of surprises. having said that, i think what's particularly interesting about today, because we know cleverly did really well before this, is that it seems that there's a bit

too much clever politicking going on amongst the tory mps who have tried to lend their to vote various candidates to try and block others. and what has happenedis and block others. and what has happened is actually not enough. people backed cleverly when they might have wanted to, might, might have wanted to, might, might want to. >> do you think there's a there's a you've got a suspicion that this isn't the result that they wanted. >> i do i think we're hearing a lot of rumours about actually this has been a mistake and they might have slightly over judged where people were going to place their vote and why. so what you have really and i think what that really shows about where the tories are at the moment is that they care more about blocking certain candidates than they do about how they actually who they actually want as a leader. and i think that shows you how divided the party still is. i don't believe that either badenoch or jenrick can actually unite this party. i do not believe they're going to be back in power in ten years time. i think the party's fundamentally divided. five oh, i don't think they're going to be back in in five years time. no, really. no . five years time. no, really. no. >> are you going to be back in in five years time? >> well, if we get stuff right, if we actually i'd say something else on tv. but you know, we

need to sort ourselves out. and, you know, i think both of them actually, i agree with a lot of what zoe said around the way the election might have been conducted over the last couple of days, except for the fact that i actually do think that these two are able to unite the party. they've both come up with a similar analysis. they've both been able to get through to this final round. and the fact that both of them recognise it, for example, immigration is a problem. both of them recognise. the european convention on human rights is a problem. both of them recognise that the way that them recognise that the way that the machinery of the state is structured, that that is a problem, that shows there is some unity in the party and there is a sense of purpose as to what we want to achieve in opposition. >> so if you agree with me that actually there are quite a lot of mps there who would have rather have seen cleverly in the final two, how is it that you think either one of these two can unite the party? we know there is still a strong cohort of conservative mps who lean much more towards the centre than they do towards the right. both of these two are leaning towards the right. >> the answer is twofold. first,

as we said earlier, you know, cleverly also recognised that we'd made mistakes in the past. so they are agreed on that. and the second point is that these guys have won votes from tom tugendhat's camp , and tom is tugendhat's camp, and tom is seen to be won. more on the left of the party. so that shows that actually this right left party split might not be as strong as the media would sometimes want it to be. >> i'm interested what zoe was saying then about the fact that she thinks some tactical voting might have backfired. just explain that a bit to us. what might have happened there? >> well, so i mean, there have been all sorts of rumours and, you know, the rumours are only rumours , but the suggestion is rumours, but the suggestion is that yesterday there might have been some vote lending from one camp to cleverly to try and get cleverly through to the final three, and then a suggestion today that there might have been some lending from cleverly to let one of the other candidates through which one which has backfired on him. well, different theories from different theories from different people, but what's your gut telling you? well, you know, i think there may have been some, some lending to one of the candidates. i'm not going to clearly one of them. i'm not i'm not going to speculate

because it is just a rumour. but the point is that sometimes sometimes people do misjudge these things. >> do you think that's what's happened? you see, i think kemi badenoch is the most interesting because a she is a black woman. that would be unusual. clearly the first for the leader of the conservative party. does that matter? will that play, will her identity play a part in in this event? zoe, if she does become the leader, is it irrelevant? >> i think she's made it quite clear. well, i actually think she's she's actually slightly sort of drifted between the two. she made it quite clear at the tory party conference that she didn't want the colour of her skin or the fact that she was a woman, to define who she was as a leader. but she has also used identity politics in the past. i think sometimes when it has suhed think sometimes when it has suited for her example, when david tennant criticised her at the lgbt awards, she said, you know , he's shouting down a black know, he's shouting down a black woman and i think she's, she's, she's, she's, she's strong in

what she says. and she would be quite an interesting person to watch keir starmer go against because she isn't she doesn't hold any prisoners. she isn't afraid to be quite punchy . yeah. afraid to be quite punchy. yeah. >> she says what she thinks and sometimes people use that against her as a bad thing. i'm like, i love people who say what they think. i know it doesn't always land from a media comms point of view. and she's certainly got into a mess, didn't she? at conservative party conference about the maternity pay issue, do you think she clarified that ryan o'neal yeah. >> so she did try and explain that she was taken out of context there. but i think the point that others have made, i think tim stanley said this today that, you know, she set out that she wants to sound like thatcher and govern like thatcher, whilst robert jenrick perhaps wants to sound more like david cameron, but govern like thatcher. and it's for the party to now figure out what sort of coalition it wants to form in the country, in determining who the country, in determining who the leader should be. >> it certainly sounded like, she said, maternity pay can be too generous. >> it definitely did, yes, which

i know is not, i want to say as a woman, and i don't want to say that because we should hold men and women to the same standards when they talk about that issue. >> but but i suppose i thought, well , come >> but but i suppose i thought, well, come on, you've had three kids. surely you can relate to this. and she did try to back—pedal on it. she did. >> i mean, i've listened to what she said over and over again, and i still can't really get my head around what she's saying, but it's definitely the case that it sounded like she was saying maternity pay in this country is excessive. you need to. it'sjust country is excessive. you need to. it's just that isn't the sort of thing that's going to fly with any audience, any voter in this country. the vast majority of voters think actually maternity pay is probably not even enough money and think that it is far too difficult for young families in this country to get by on a decent wage. child care is too expensive. it's, you know, it just wasn't a sensible thing to say. and i think at this point in your leadership campaign, if you need people to come out and bat for you and explain why you just slightly messed up what you were saying or you were misinterpreted, that's not great. you should be very clear on what you're saying. and i think i think the problem with

kemi is that she does have a habit of saying things that are sometimes slightly off kilter and off bat. >> well, it feels like with generic, he puts his finger in the air, he measures the wind, doesn't he? and thinks, what? where am i going to blow today? like, what statement am i going to make to tap into the popular thing to say, i don't want to say populist, but the popular thing to say, well, there's nothing wrong. >> of course , with giving the >> of course, with giving the people what they want. that's democracy. and responding to the people's concerns. and both of them agree that immigration is a problem. but i think rob should get credit where credit is due. he resigned from the government, which is a tough thing to do. he turned as a result against a friend, rishi, in saying that rishi had the wrong plan and that takes balls. so you know credit where credit is due. he's demonstrated it's not just a 62nd soundbite, it's something he felt genuinely important enough to leave the government for. >> i would sorry just to jump in. i would disagree with that. i think robert jenrick saw the way the wind was blowing when it came to rishi sunak, when it came to rishi sunak, when it came to rishi sunak, when it came to the fact that we were approaching an election that rwanda wasn't going to pay off

and he jumped ship and he thought he might have an opportunity at tory leader, and he may well do. but i don't think that proves that he is a man of integrity. and i would agree with what you said. i think he does play to both the right and the left of the party, or the right in the centre of the party, and i think he comes across as not very authentic, and i think that the membership will see that. >> well, that's why the gb news debate is so important. >> well, thank you. i'm so glad you came in. who wants it more? which of them want it more? ranil want it more now in 2024? which of them wants it more? >> i think rob probably wants it more. >> i think they both want it, but they're incredibly foolish to do so because they are not going to be the leader who wins the next conservative election. >> yeah, if i had to say who wants it more, i would say jeremy wants it more. no doubt about it. i think kemi badenoch would probably happily buy at a time, maybe until after the next election and then maybe step in. so let us know your thoughts at home. gbnews.com/yoursay we just mentioned maternity pay there. well, it doesn't think it doesn't look like anyone's going

to have to pay any eventually in this country, because no one's having any babies anymore. we have had a lot of people die though. had a lot of people arrive here on our shores. let's talk

welcome back to dewbs& co. welcome back to dewbs& co. thanks for tuning in. i am bev thanks for tuning in. i am bev turner here for the rest of this turner here for the rest of this week actually. so the uk's week actually. so the uk's population has once again grown, population has once again grown, but experts have been concerned but experts have been concerned by deaths overtaking births for by deaths overtaking births for the first time. the data also the first time. the data also raised concerns over net raised concerns over net migration. it's risen to record migration. it's risen to record levels , but with all the issues levels , but with all the issues levels, but with all the issues that can arise from this, what levels, but with all the issues that can arise from this, what should the government do to should the government do to tackle the continuing growth in tackle the continuing growth in our population? zoe, let me come our population? zoe, let me come to you. we're in a strange to you. we're in a strange situation here, aren't we? situation here, aren't we? deaths exceeding births for the deaths exceeding births for the first time in 50 years. all first time in 50 years. all sorts of reasons for that. and sorts of reasons for that. and this thorny issue of migration , this thorny issue of migration , this thorny issue of migration, which i think probably when keir this thorny issue of migration, which i think probably when keir starmer took office at number starmer took office at number

10, it must have been the pile 10, it must have been the pile of papers on his desk. this is what the public feel very strongly about. do you think they have a clear vision of what they have a clear vision of what they would like to do about migration? >> i think you're right that it's definitely a priority for the labour government. you know, it's something that they started talking about more and more when they were trying to win back some of those lost votes from , some of those lost votes from, you know, especially 2019, particularly. i think, you know, we've seen keir starmer really ramping up conversations with cross border control in the in europe. we've seen him talk to other european leaders about what they've done to control migration. and we know the labour government have promised to bring migration levels down. they haven't given a number, but they have made that pledge. and they're also looking at what they're also looking at what they can do with the asylum system. it's, as you say, it's a really thorny issue. there are lots and lots of different elements that aren't working and that need reforming, and that it's something that cannot be acted upon without cross border cooperation. you can't, you know, we are a small island. we've left the eu. we cannot control our borders on our own. you have to work with other

countries. i think it, you know, and we'll talk about this later. but there are plenty of reasons why immigration is rising across the world. and i think one of the world. and i think one of the things we're seeing is we see more civil unrest as we see more environmental catastrophes. it looks like it's going to become an increasing problem. and i think that's why international cooperation on that level is so important. and i think what's good about this labour government is they are far more receptive, particularly to europe, than the predecessors under the tories, more receptive. >> that's a good thing. it's a good thing to be more receptive to. >> i agree they're more receptive to europe, i.e. they're willing to give europe the chance to deposit people here from the european union. and they've been very clear that they're open to entertaining renegotiations of the brexit deal renegotiations of the brexit deal. that would do just that. but, you know, i think we've got to be you've got to have a sense check here. it's not suddenly that the world has fallen into some sort of disrepair. and that everyone is now, today suffering crises, in particular sub—saharan africa. there have been challenges all over the world throughout time, and the

difference now is that our legal system makes it ever easier for people to play it against the country. that has been very generous to people all over the world, throughout the ages and i mean, i think a second factor is, frankly, that in terms of legal migration,

is, frankly, that in terms of legal nchoice n,; is, frankly, that in terms of legal nchoice to 7— is, frankly, that in terms of legal nchoice to do, is, frankly, that in terms of legal nchoice to do that. so chance choice to do that. and so plenty of people, for example, went back to countries in eastern europe. they chose to do so. and so they took their furlough money. >> they took their little to bond their loan for their business, and they went back to poland. >> well, they're equally plenty of people who have made significant amounts of money legitimately through running businesses here. and they've decided that now is the time they wanted to relocate back to what they see as their home. and so as a result, other people have come in, but it doesn't get away from the systemic problem in this country, which is that to pay for the welfare state, to pay to pay for the welfare state, to pay for our public services, you've got to have more young people working to pay for those disproportionately older people who are drawing on those services and on those welfare benefits. >> i think i think the last couple of years, numbers have found completely baffling because given that the average age of death of covid was 82, if those people weren't stacking the shelves and driving the trucks, the those in their 80s, you just see a spike in the death figures. so why did the country, why did boris then decide to let in a 750,000

people net at that point , and decide to let in a 750,000 people net at that point, and i think quite quietly, without a lot of noise about that? >> well, it wasn't just shelf stacking and delivery driving, it was also health workers. they obviously relaxed health and social care visas. and part of that was because we have a workforce retention issue in this country. part of that is due to a lack of capital spending, a lack of investment in the nhs, not paying staff fairly, but also because as reynolds said, we have a ageing population and we need a lot more staff to keep the nhs going and so that's why they needed to relax a lot of visas to let workers in because as you say, we had a health crisis where there were lots of elderly people at risk. the nhs was on its knees and we needed to help grow it. >> partly we lost 50,000 healthcare workers who were told they had to take a vaccine that didn't work. 50,000 of them went away from the system. so we shouldn't forget that. that was a stupid decision, wasn't it? what about this idea, though, ranil? that our birth rate has fallen through the floor? why? >> well, i don't think our tax system helps. i think that's part of it.

>> anybody really think i wonder how much tax i'm going to pay if ihave? how much tax i'm going to pay if i have? no, it's more that it makes it very hard for younger people to afford to have children. >> and if you are to earn a household and take a two earner household and take a two earner household where two people earn £30,000 versus one household where that single earner and £60,000, the difference paid in tax is huge and as a result, the likelihood of that household being able to afford to have children or more than one child is curtailed, well, that's a conservative problem then, because we have the highest tax burden in 70 years. well, i think it's a problem under both parties. i mean , at least we parties. i mean, at least we brought in the marriage allowance. we should have gone a lot further. >> but you're not gonna have a baby. you're going to get a couple of hundred quid a year. >> are you ? but it helps, you >> are you? but it helps, you know, if we. it really doesn't. well, it really doesn't hear me out here. >> babies. i didn't sit there. look at my husband and go. are the government going to give us a few hundred quid if we have a baby? >> well, unfortunately, unfortunately it should have gone further. and, you know, if we were good europeans, let's be good europeans for a minute. if

you look at what the french do for every child you get, you get an extra half of a tax free allowance. that would make a big difference. if you look at what the germans do, they treat people as households too. so thatis people as households too. so that is a very, very big difference. and i think we're just at the beginning of that journey. more and more people are beginning to talk about this. >> so are we expecting keir starmer to come out of rachel reeves in the budget in, what, ten days or so and two weeks and say, right, i've been thinking about this . the family is on the about this. the family is on the top of my list of priorities, and i'm going to do everything i can to ensure that people like zoe grunfeld can have babies younger . younger. >> i don't think they're going to offer tax breaks, but i think what they are going to try and do is create a system where we are building more houses, because actually the biggest problem is the fact that housing pnces problem is the fact that housing prices in this country are so extortionate. young people are locked into renting because they can't buy . locked into renting because they can't buy. nobody locked into renting because they can't buy . nobody wants to have can't buy. nobody wants to have a baby and rented accommodation where you could get kicked out by your landlord with two months notice, and then you can't find anywhere else because the rents have gone up and your child is

in school and that, you know, it's actually an impossible situation. and the tories did not build enough houses over their time in government, as i'm sure you well know. and it's been disastrous and it's pushed up the cost of living. there are plenty of things that, you know, you can talk about tax breaks, but there are plenty of things that should have been done to create a system where young people could get on the housing ladder quicker and they could start families. >> but but here's the thing labour are talking the talk. and yet here in london, where the biggest demand exists, they're reducing the housing number from what the conservative party had in place when we were in government as a deal for sadiq khan. that doesn't show that they're serious about housing. i agree with you that particularly in our cities, we do need to build more homes. but the labour party is doing the exact opposite of that. >> we need affordable, as you say. we need affordable housing. we need it built in the right areas. you need it near places where people work. so, you know, i agree, i agree with you on that. but it is absolutely i think rather than tax breaks, you need an affordable childcare system where people can actually go back to work and they're not losing money by going back to work. and you need a system

where people can actually either have really safe, renter friendly contracts so that they can expect to raise families in rented accommodation for a number of years, or, and i would say build more houses that are affordable. >> but of course, if people want to make that choice that they don't want to work in, say, the first few years that their child is born pre—school, that should be their choice. and at the moment they don't have that choice. and equally, if you give people tax breaks, if you let people tax breaks, if you let people keep more of their own money in the first place, they'll find housing more affordable. >> is it so? we also just that your generation have really high expectations of what you should your quality of life, and you're spending money on all those avocados and deliveroo? look, i know you can't afford to have a baby. you've just got to change your priorities. >> i love an avocado, don't get me wrong, but how many avocados would i have to give up? you know, it's just the price of housing has outstripped wages. you know , by so much. i don't you know, by so much. i don't know the exact figure, but it's easily googled the idea that it's avocados. i mean, if the one thing i have in my life is avocados don't take them away from me. >> but you'll end up having

avocados. and no baby. >> well, then so be it. but you see, this is the problem, isn't it? >> this is what's happened. maybe, you know, i'm being. i'm being. i'm playing with you a little bit here, but maybe it's just about the younger generation aren't cutting their cloth accordingly and prioritising having children somehow having children just looks like a really unappealing opfion looks like a really unappealing option . option. >> well, so i mean, i certainly think that zoe is right about housing. i think i'm right about tax. i think all of these things play tax. i think all of these things play a role, but you are also right around this notion of let's use the term affordable housing. housing can be more affordable if people move further out. people have got to make a conscious decision to do that. and sometimes people don't want to. >> then you need a government that can invest in infrastructure so that people can move further out. i mean, i grew up in wakefield, barnsley, trying to get from wakefield to barnsley using the buses was virtually impossible. there's a reason i had to move away from there to work, and it's really sad because lots of people would love to live across the country, around their families, places

they grew up, but it seems like there are only a few cities in there are only a few cities in the uk that actually accommodate young people and their needs for work and housing. >> well, this is where good local leadership is important and, you know, credit where credit is due. someone like andy burnham or sir richard lees, who is the leader of manchester city council, they've transformed manchester and it shows it can be done. and that's a, you know, a labour politician. so i'm being ecumenical here. you know, it is important that local leaders drive economic growth in their own areas. and too often that doesn't happen. >> let's have a quick look at what you've been saying at home before we go to a quick break, fiery red dragon says, surely we had a baby boom after the war because we lost so many men in that war. many of those people are now getting old and they are dying. we can't feed, clothe, house, etc. the people who are here now, why do we need more people coming here? and they say the argument for paying for pensioners only works if young people are prepared to get a properjob. not the stupid i want to be an influencer. nonsense , i think, yeah, there's nonsense, i think, yeah, there's a lot i can relate. i can agree with their policy. >> i can get behind. yes.

>> i can get behind. yes. >> yeah, a lot of people saying that your female guest is talking some loony leftie rubbish. oh no, i mean, they like you zoe. don't worry. and obviously we're all now rooting for you to start a family, which actually will take us on to what we're going to be talking about next, because after the break, we're going to be talking about whether the school curriculum is sex sex education. right. don't go

welcome back to dewbs& co with me bev turner. now , students me bev turner. now, students across the country say that they think that their current sex and relationships education is leaving them with no choice than to turn to social media for advice and information. this is advice and information. this is a new study. it found that certain topics, particularly around female health, were all either limited in their scope or ignored on the curriculum altogether . so why are we altogether. so why are we getting this wrong ? ryan o'neal getting this wrong? ryan o'neal when you were in government, didn't you try to stop sex and relationships education? being

on the curriculum? >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> so i certainly tried to stop it being compulsory. you know, it being compulsory. you know, it always had been for parents to choose whether their children should have sex education. and i believe it is a parent's right to choose these things. and unfortunately , theresa may unfortunately, theresa may wanted to push it through. and she did. she succeeded with a small majority to be able to do that. but here's the thing. i think as a result of it being made compulsory, certain activist groups have taken it oven activist groups have taken it over. and what we've seen is far too much focus on woke and diversity and not enough on women and biology. and i think that's the core of this, this part of the curriculum. it should be around if it's going to be compulsory. the facts of life, not whether there are 72 genders. yeah. >> the irony is, of course, that we used to complain in my day that your sex education at school was all about the biology and not actually about the relationship side of things. it feels like there's been an overcorrection according to what the children are saying. they want to understand a bit more

about the biology side of things, particularly fertility issues, and less about the relationship side of things. what's happened? zoe? >> it's interesting. i mean, my memory of sex education in school was there was a lot of biology, not only in the sex education part, but also in our biology lessons. we will learn about female reproduction. the female reproductive system and the male reproductive system. i actually think sex education is so important . and the reason why so important. and the reason why is because it keeps children safe . it's great if you have safe. it's great if you have parents who love and care about you and will teach you these things, but we know that it does keep people . if you if you teach keep people. if you if you teach young kids about consent, it keeps them safe from potential predators, potential groomers. it also keeps them safe in future relationships. we know that there is a problem with misogyny in schools. we know there is a problem with sexual assault, sexual abuse and rape across the country. the best way you can keep kids safe from that is if you teach them what consent and boundaries are. and i actually think it's vital that you have relationship education as well as the biological sex education too. that is that is also very important.

>> so you would put children at risk then? ryan o'neal know, taking this off, i'd revert to basically the way it was in my day, in our day, which was there was a lot of child sexual abuse, which we didn't know about . which we didn't know about. >> and there still is. >> and there still is. >> well, dare i say, i think there was a lot of cover up from certain organisations, including the bbc. it seems there was also some collusion for reasons of diversity in some some police force areas. but i think the really important point is that if there was that sort of parental choice, the parents who want the schools to undertake this education would of course be able to allow that to continue. but the parents who want to do it themselves would be able to have that choice. i think, you know, with parents and children, no one knows their children better than those parents. well, i'm sorry, but i disagree because it is different from from your day. >> now, is available on everybody's phone immediately. most children have smartphones. if parents and teachers aren't teaching them about sex education, they will get that

knowledge from somewhere else. wouldn't you rather a trusted source like a teacher in school with the resources that are from the government, can actually deliver that information, because not all parents will be able to and you don't know what your kids are looking at on their phone. and that's part of their phone. and that's part of the problem. >> well, first of all, my children don't have a phone and i don't intend on them having one anytime soon. nine and seven. so some of their their friends do have phones i'm refusing so far. but but the bigger point here is i would rather that they are not taught that there are 72 genders, because i don't believe that that's the case. >> and where are they being taught? >> the materials are not from the government. the materials are from organisations, many of which are activist organisations. the lgb alliance, for example, has been criticising stonewall for many years now for being far too activist and standing up on things that the founders of stonewall disagreed with. >> and what school was the 72 genders taught. >> as you said earlier, it's very easily googleable, so i'd encourage people to do that . encourage people to do that. >> googleable and you keep bringing it up. surely you know where it was. >> i'm sure you can look at that in your own time. the point is,

viewers of gb news know that this is what's being taught in schools. they have seen that reported on this excellent news channelin reported on this excellent news channel in the past. >> okay, you can have a consultation across government with lots of different bodies piling in to say what sort of sex education should be offered to children in school. and i think you would find that there are plenty of groups that would offer really positive information that would keep young girls safe, that would teach young men about misogyny, about boundaries, about consent, that would teach them about their bodies, that would teach them what good sex looks like, healthy sex, healthy relationships at the minute that is missing in schools. because actually also the other problem that we haven't mentioned is because schools are so under—resourced. a lot of teachers simply don't have capacity to teach relationship and sex education. and i would argue that does put kids at risk. it's great if you have parents like you that really care about your children and want to teach them these things. not all children are so lucky, and we can't let vulnerable children fall through the cracks. >> well, first of all, i mean, i do think that it's important to put in context that more money is going into schools than ever before. and the labour tax rate on private schools is going to

put additional pressure on state schools as people have to leave the independent sector to enter those state schools. so, you know, it's important to put that in context. but here's the thing. i fundamentally believe it's a matter of principle for me that parents know their children best. and i know you could possibly find instances, terrible instances. i don't think we should create law for the whole country based on a handful of those instances. >> we should have laws to protect vulnerable children. >> i think we should defend parents rights to be able to look after their own children. >> so what happens to vulnerable children who don't have parents who will, as has always been the case, if children are in harm's way, teachers and the police should get involved. >> and what's happened in the past and now more recently, is that the police haven't wanted to do that. >> but you're saying that teachers shouldn't have. that's got nothing to do, nothing to do with irish. but one of the ways teachers can do that is by teaching children nothing to do with irish. it actually does because they know it does. because if you're a teacher and you teach a child about consent

and boundaries, they might then realise actually something that's been happening to me at home. i didn't consent to that. that's against my boundaries. it is proved time and time again that teaching children as young children, that it's okay if someone touches you here. it's not okay if someone touches you somewhere else, has actually saved children from predators. >> but then what about let's take a different angle on this. do you think it is right that autistic girls in particular are being taught being encouraged in schools that they should change their gender? i don't think that's right. i don't think that's right. i don't think that's what's happening. that is exactly what is happening. and i've seen some i've seen some terrible cases. okay. >> well, but i don't think that should stop children having access to information that can keep them safe. we know that child sexual abuse is a horrible fact to confront in this country , fact to confront in this country, occurs mostly in the home, and it occurs mostly from people who are relatives and known to them. >> the trouble is that you either get all or nothing with this, and so you know, you can't pick and choose things. unfortunately , you either if you unfortunately, you either if you go down your road of compulsory,

which is what it is today , then which is what it is today, then you are keeping children safe. then children are being taught things that i personally believe parents should have the right to opt out from. >> but you think that specifically on the issues of gender as opposed to because i think when we talk about this issue, it's so easy, isn't it, to get all of these different issues complicated, whether a teenage girl understands about her fertility and when she is or is less likely to get pregnant is less likely to get pregnant is really important. that's an incredibly separate issue . yes, incredibly separate issue. yes, and that's whether a boy can become a girl and a girl can become a girl and a girl can become a girl and a girl can become a boy . become a boy. >> and historically, that was where biology covered this part of the curriculum. >> and isn't that interesting? because that is what the children are now saying they want. they're saying they want to understand some of this biology in a way that they aren't being taught at the moment, and maybe they are a bit sick of some of some of the gender ideology, because, you know, my teenage girls school, if one of them, you know, they'll talk about, oh, that's a they'll talk about, oh, that's a they them mummy and there's a lot of eye rolling. it's almost like the, you know, that's not

just my children, but i think there's a lot of them that are kind of a little bit sick of the, the amorphous relationship we have with gender at the moment. >> i think there's clearly scope here to consult on what good sex ed policy should look like, what it should include, and how teachers can be filling in that gap where parents sometimes can't. and i think that is what is important. i think if we want to keep children safe, it's absolutely vital. and i think, you know, we always hear these horrible cases about child sexual abuse in this country. it really is an epidemic. i mean, i followed the inquiry quite, quite thoroughly at the time. and it's it really is widespread and it really needs something like this in place so that children are empowered to evoke their boundaries. >> well, paddy's got in touch from home. good evening. paddy says if the population is falling, we need more births. maybe it's counterproductive to be teaching them sex education. i don't think that's quite what we're going for here. we want to live in a world where every baby is wanted, right? don't go anywhere. zoe and rhona will be back in just a moment. we're going to be debating whether climate change should be treated

as a national security issue. does the weather make you feel unsafe? don't go

welcome back to dewbs& co with me . bev turner still with me. me. bev turner still with me. delighted to say former conservative mp ranil jayawardena wooden. i knew i was going to get it wrong. don't, don't don't let me let me do it. jay jayawardena there we are. thank you. and the political journalist zoe grunwald . now, journalist zoe grunwald. now, a new report has suggested the government should take lessons from the covid inquiry to be more for prepared climate related emergencies. they're warning that the threat posed by climate change should be treated in a similar way to terrorism. and this is what one of the authors of the report told me earlier today on gb news. >> climate induced emergencies cover a whole range of things . cover a whole range of things. so we just saw on the news announcement this morning just before this segment about

hurricane milton heading towards florida that would constitute a climate related emergency. one of the things that this report looks at as well is food security. so we've seen and sort of food price inflation over the past few years. and one third of our food price inflation is estimated to be due to climate risks and due to, you know, waterlogged fields or droughts in other parts of the world. and so these are the sorts of risks that this report was looking at. >> so that was doctor maya, that now we're looking at the same picture. so where we've got our camera locked off here. that interview this morning was about 10:00 uk time, 1030. this is now of course 10 to 7 uk time. we are seeing clearly the wind is picking up there . ryan o'neal picking up there. ryan o'neal but does this strike you as fear mongering by the climate lobbyists? >> well, so this is the important context. you know, you can have a debate about climate

and plenty of people do, but there is a reality which is that things change the whole time. even if people don't agree with climate change. and so everyone should be united on this issue, i think, which is that we've got to make sure that the country is prepared to defend itself against any threat, whether that's climate, whether that's food, whether that's the there too much water, too little water. you know, there are all sorts of threats coming down the road. and one of the things i'd observe from having been in the government is that the amount of data and the number of levers that the government has to actually pull in peace time is actually pull in peace time is actually rather limited. covid was an extraordinary shift because the entire machinery of government was devoted to one thing. but in the normal course of things, which we obviously now know is ridiculous and a complete act of self—harm, well, indeed, so many mistakes were made. i think it's important to be honest about that. but the

whole of the machinery of government was focused on one thing, and it was able to make things happen in the rest of the time. the machinery of government isn't actually kitted out terribly well for the challenges we faced in the 21st century. >> so do you agree, then, that we should be on a war footing or an emergency footing in case the weather is bad? >> i think we need to address, for example, that there is more flooding now than ever before. part of that is climate. but also part of that is we're building on flood plains. so, you know, part of that is that no one's draining the grids. well, they're all or dredging the rivers like there's stuff the rivers like there's stuff the government could be doing now to help our water wash away. right. and so these are the things that whatever people's views on any particular issue of the day, there are things that the day, there are things that the government collectively with individuals need to get on with. >> so you might have picked up on the fact that i don't exactly take this particularly seriously in terms of the imminent threat to the british population, and i see it as possibly a massive money making scheme for people behind the scenes who know they can cash

. jure , .jure , in being .jure, in being more and more conscious of security threats as they come. i think adding things to the list of things that could potentially be dangerous for us is a good thing, and being prepared is a good thing. i don't know why it wouldn't be. and what we saw dunng wouldn't be. and what we saw during the covid 19 inquiry and come out of the most recent report, is that the systems in government that sort of link up various kind of health security agencies and cobra, you know, if

you look at the diagram, there's one diagram, particularly in the report. it was so chaotic. there were so many different bodies all interacting , all on top of all interacting, all on top of each other, trying to look at how we address security risks and trying to kind of reform that i think is a good thing. and i think this might be a good kind of trigger point to do. >> so yeah, i'm i'm sort of shocked by that because you're both you both agree in, in agreement on this, aren't you from different positions. we agree on the issue. you know, where the similarity is with the with the covid situation . it's with the covid situation. it's about risk assessment. yes. and my concern is like in 2020, this is going to be based on a flawed risk assessment because i feel we're being silenced into all believing that all climate change is manmade, that it is an emergency and it is a crisis, and that we're all in trouble. and i don't see enough debate about that as the basic premise in order for us to decide what changes to our lives we're prepared to take to stop us being in danger of climate change, does it feel like the emergency of your generation?

>> i think it does. i think, you know, there is a lot of consensus of my generation that actually we are sleepwalking into disaster and we're seeing rising sea levels, we're seeing rising sea levels, we're seeing rising temperatures, we're seeing increasingly erratic weather patterns, and it doesn't feel like there's urgency across the country or even across the world to kind of resolve it. and ultimately, you know , our ultimately, you know, our generation will have to deal with it for a long time and the generation after us. and it's about kind of keeping why not try and, you know, put in a system that keeps the younger generation safe? we all have a duty to the younger generation, and i would like to see more urgency. and one of the things i was quite impressed with from david lammy's recent speech was when he actually said that climate change is one of the biggest emergencies of foreign policy. >> oh, i held my head in my hands. i mean, that's why god help us, we're all doomed. >> yes, that's what i have to diverge. i mean, i think the foreign secretary has chosen to prioritise giving away territory to a country that had no ability to a country that had no ability to call upon it, rather than actually dealing with some of the big challenges facing the world in the middle east and elsewhere on this issue. i

think, you know, there is a divergence here, which is that, you know, we should do things in our national interest and, you know, things like the thames barrier show that we can deal with these problems. they need not be an emergency. >> we have run out of time , >> we have run out of time, guys. ryan o'neal. zoe, it's been a pleasure. thank you so much. i'll be back on britain's newsroom at 930 tomorrow morning. i'll be back here as well at 6:00 tomorrow night. here's christopher hope sitting in for nigel . in for nigel. >> we'll see a cold snap which will quickly develop into a warm front. boxt boiler repairs, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. i'm here with your gb news. weather from the met office as we go through into tomorrow, it is going to turn dner tomorrow, it is going to turn drier for many of us with some clearer or brighter skies, but with that, it is also going to be a bit chillier because as the low pressure that's been dominating the weather across the uk recently drifts away towards the east, we will then get a northerly flow and that northerly air is going to bring

something a little bit colder for the time being though, still some clouds, some outbreaks of rain across many parts of england and wales. all of this though shifting further southwards with clearer skies developing across scotland, northern england and northern ireland. and under these clearer skies, temperatures are going to take a bit of a drop. turning pretty chilly could be a touch of frost in some places. a milder night, though across the south here it is going to be a cloudier start to tomorrow morning. there will be some outbreaks of rain. could be the odd heavier burst, but most of this will clear through as we go through the morning for central parks. things brightening up quite quickly and also some decent bright sunny weather across parts of northern ireland, northern england and scotland. but all the time there will be some showers around . the will be some showers around. the showers will be most likely in areas exposed to that northerly wind, so parts of northern ireland, northern scotland and down the eastern side of england and scotland as well. but even a few showers are possible elsewhere. we may see 1 or 2 showers developing in some inland places too, but for many it is going to be a much drier

day than the last couple of days, and it's going to be a bit brighter. but like i said, we do have that cold air pushing its way in, so temperatures markedly lower and feeling pretty cold indeed, especially in those brisk northerly winds. as we go towards the end of the week and a bit of a north south split, developing wetter weather across northern parts of scotland, seeing some outbreaks of rain, perhaps some wintriness over the higher ground, staying drier and brighter across the southern two thirds of the uk. however, again through the weekend, some rain is likely, mainly in the north. i'll see you again soon. bye bye . i'll see you again soon. bye bye. >> a nice bright morning will generate a lovely warm day right through to the

gb news. >> good evening. it's wednesday, the 9th of october. i'm christopher hope, covering for nigel farage. now, you might be wondering where nigel is this

evening. well, he's in there. he's voting in parliament on the second reading of labour's renter's rights bill, which aims to protect the rights of those renting privately. we'll be heanng renting privately. we'll be hearing more from nigel, hopefully later on, votes permitting. so don't go anywhere. well, who said politics was predictable? not me. in an election result which shocked westminster, james cleverly was spectacularly eliminated from the tory leadership race after starting the day as the nailed on favourite to make the final two. this was my reaction earlier in westminster . well . and later on westminster. well. and later on i'll be having what might be one of my last affordable pints with the co—founder of the forum of british pubs, amid fears that rachel reeves, the chancellor , rachel reeves, the chancellor, is about to impose an alcohol tax that could put more beer. pressure. get it on pubs and drive them out of business. all

of that to come.