voting in parliament on the he's voting in parliament on the second reading of labour's renter's rights bill, which aims to protect the rights of those renting privately. we'll be heanng renting privately. we'll be hearing more from nigel, hopefully later on, votes permitting. so don't go anywhere. well, who said politics was predictable? not me. in an election result which shocked westminster, james cleverly was spectacularly eliminated from the tory leadership race after starting the day as the nailed on favourite to make the final two. this was my reaction earlier in westminster . well . and later on westminster. well. and later on i'll be having what might be one of my last affordable pints with the co—founder of the forum of british pubs, amid fears that rachel reeves, the chancellor , rachel reeves, the chancellor, is about to impose an alcohol tax that could put more beer. pressure. get it on pubs and drive them out of business. all

of that to come. but first the news with katie bowen . news with katie bowen. >> christopher thank you. and a very good evening to you. the time has just gone 7:00 i'm katie bowen in the gb newsroom, as you've been hearing this afternoon. tory mps have now selected the final two candidates in the conservative leadership election , with kemi leadership election, with kemi badenoch and robert jenrick making it through to the members vote. kemi badenoch received 42 votes, robert jenrick picked up 41 and james cleverly received 37, meaning he has now been eliminated from the race. in a tweet, cleverly has thanked his colleagues party members and the pubuc colleagues party members and the public for the support he received during his campaign. gb news political editor christopher hope spoke to robert jenrick earlier on. >> i have a very specific plan as to how we do that, whether it's improving the nhs, getting growth, going again in our economy or yes, securing our borders. i don't believe in platitudes. i want us to have a

serious plan now as to how we move forward and get this party back into gear for the good of our country. >> well, jenrick's rival kemi badenoch had this to say a short while later. >> it doesn't matter. people are heanng >> it doesn't matter. people are hearing what i'm saying and they think my approach is right, that you start with principles first and then policy. we need to unite behind a real conservatism. that means something to the country. >> and you can watch the final two battle it out in a special live event here on gb news on the 17th of october. elsewhere in politics, sir keir starmer faced questions in the house of commons this lunchtime as prime minister's questions returned. the prime minister faced questions from the lib dem leader, sir ed davey, about british fishermen in the falklands amidst the controversial decision to hand the chagos islands back to mauritius. sir keir said that the falklands, which are personal to him, are british and they will remain british, all alongside gibraltar to the us. the biggest hurricane in a

century is now hitting florida and a short while ago the president of the united states, joe biden , has urged residents joe biden, has urged residents to follow all safety advice as he held a press conference. if you're watching on television , you're watching on television, these are live pictures we're bringing you from fort myers in the united states, where the hurricane is now impacting . hurricane is now impacting. president biden expressed sympathy with those residents who were also recently battered by hurricane helene. >> many communities in hurricane milton's path do not have a moment to catch their breath. between helene and milton, two historic storm storms in two weeks. i want to thank everyone who has followed local guidance to evacuate ahead of landfall. i know it's really tough leaving behind your home, your belongings, everything you own, but i urge everyone in hurricane milton's path to follow all safety instructions as we head into the next 24 hours. >> and finally, this evening, some sad news. holocaust survivor lily ebert has died at

the age of 100. tributes have been paid to ebert, who has been described as a trailblazing advocate for holocaust education. king charles has praised her extraordinary resilience and courage, and said that she became an integral part of the fabric of our nation . of the fabric of our nation. those are your latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm katie bowen. more from me in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com . the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> thank you katie. so it's kenny b versus bobby jay to become the next leader of the opposition, the tory party. that's right. kemi badenoch versus robert jenrick. it's a battle between leave and remain. only this time it's whether we try to leave or remain in the

european convention on human rights for me, the ejection of nailed on favourite for the final two james cleverly was the biggest surprise in british politics in tory leadership land since boris johnson dropped out of the leadership race back in 2016. and i was there for that one. two. this was my reaction in parliament earlier, as the news was announced by bob blackman from 1922, committee now . i don't know now. i don't know what has happened. now. i don't know what has happened . oh my god , what's happened. oh my god, what's happened. oh my god, what's happened ? oliver laurence that, happened? oliver laurence that, my friends, is a surprise journalist. now joining me now is the former editor of conservative home, lord goodman, paul goodman and my panel of course, are dame andrea jenkyns, a key supporter of boris johnson when he was prime minister and also joe phillips. forgive me,

the former press secretary to paddy ashdown, the lib dems. hi guys. well, thanks for coming on. coming on tonight, paul. what on earth happened today? >> my reaction was the same as yours when i saw that i swear like i did. i don't know. i looked at the figures and i thought that's been tweeted wrong. yes. those figures must be must be wrong. and then they came up a second time. the third and the fourth time. so i don't know. i mean, you are famously deaung know. i mean, you are famously dealing with what has euphemistically been described as the most sophisticated electorate in the world, i.e. somewhat unreliable. or you might say, in plain terms, devious. i do not know whether james cleverly lent votes to robert jenrick in order to get him into the final, because he thought he could beat him and put him down himself, down thought he could beat him and put him down himself , down lower put him down himself, down lower and out of the contest, or whether robert jenrick at some earlier stage had lent votes to james cleverly. it's no good getting into all this, because you will just never know. >> oh, it could be that something's been promised because i remember as an mp in those final two stages, lots of

jobs gets promised, etc. so i think it could even be that i think it could even be that i think we can take it for granted that promises have been made by everyone to everyone else, but if you were your viewers and you were taking interest in this, you would think it was a complete mess and really quite good news for reform one. >> well, let's come on to that in a minute, but let's think about today. first of all, one tory strategist told me there's no amount of campaigning, messaging and briefing that can account for the sheer duplicity of tory mps. i mean, it does seem that way. >> there's actually an even bigger point. if you look at what's happened, the vote is a third, a third, a third. if you're a tory member , you do you're a tory member, you do like even if you're going to disagree with it, to have some clear idea of what tory mps think. and in fact, it's divided exactly as it did in 2001, when iain duncan smith got a third, and it didn't really do him or the conservatives a lot of good in the long run. >> know now what i've been told in terms of reporting for gb news is that there were 20 votes overnight and there were , of overnight and there were, of course, the votes for tom tugendhat, who dropped out 20

votes, where were they going to go? well, the thinking had been that they would probably go half maybe to james cleverly, taking up to him to up towards 50, maybe split between jenrick and badenoch. so they'd be in the mid 30s. so that comfort blanket it's apparently gave, gave succour and support to supporters of james cleverly's team to share out votes trying to get rid of eitherjenrick team to share out votes trying to get rid of either jenrick or badenoch. this is done without the knowledge or agreement of james james cleverly. i have on very good authority. it looks like by trying to help get a better candidate for james cleverly, they've killed their own candidate. >> i mean, this is simply reinforcing what you, andrew and ihave reinforcing what you, andrew and i have already been saying that you never know what conservative mps are going to do. i come back to this point about a third, a third, a third. the new leader, whoever it is, will now gain that two thirds of his or her colleagues didn't vote for them, which is not great. and furthermore, the members have got to try and make sense of the fact that the first place candidate only beat the second place candidate by one vote. the person who may stand to gain from all this, who andrea is

marginally acquainted with, is a certain boris johnson, who must be looking at this and thinking, i wonder if this could all blow up in two years or what might happen. >> well, andrew jenkin, you were last night at the book launch of bofis last night at the book launch of boris johnson. he didn't seem like somebody because i was there to like he was going to go anywhere very far away from westminster . westminster. >> look, i mean, i'm i'll always be loyal to boris and carrie. i mean , where i'm at with it is mean, where i'm at with it is bofis mean, where i'm at with it is boris was amazing last night, wasn't he? it was his true self, you know, he was very engaging. no , but he was he was very no, but he was he was very engaged. >> by that you mean he was. he's full of the booze . full of the booze. >> he was. >> he was. >> and phillips would disagree with anything. >> and full of positivity. now where i'm at, though is we've got we've got two strong candidates that will definitely hold starmer to account. i think we'll all agree on that. however, to me, we've also got we don't have any candidate in the final two who was loyal to boris. you know, they've long gone now. so we've had two. we've got two in the final who

have stabbed boris in the back. and so i'm at the stage now thinking, what the heck do i do next? >> well, we saw last night only one candidate came to last night's event and that was james cleverly. i think we got a picture that was put up on twitter, but we don't want five more years of disastrous labour. that's the issue. do you think, joe phillips, that the support of or the not support, but certainly boris johnson meeting james cleverly last night may have damaged him amongst some tory mps because of the chaos of his leadership? >> well who knows? >> well who knows? >> i mean, you know, there are people like andrea who think bofis people like andrea who think boris johnson's the best thing since sliced bread. there are others who think he was an absolute disaster. there are people like me completely outside on the street photograph party who actually think he did such a lot of damage to this country's standing in the to world, democracy, to public life and everything else. so i you know, i think he's an utter disgrace. but what bothers me is that being leader of his majesty's opposition is a really important job. and it's really important job. and it's really important that people in opposition parties hold the

government to account. and what i see from this, you know, shoot off if you like, the high noon between who's going to go further. right . they're going to further. right. they're going to end up arguing amongst themselves again. and the tory party can't afford that. >> and it could risk for the tories letting in the lib dems even further. >> they're so obsessed with reform they've forgotten that breathing down their necks, and we're only seven months away from local elections, have mps fail to hear paul goodman because mps should really give a an offer to the membership of a left or right candidate. >> instead, they've got two right wing candidates. >> it's too early to say. and actually, if you look at who's supporting these candidates, they're often being supported by very surprising people. so you take nigel huddleston , who's, take nigel huddleston, who's, you know, his mp, sort of well, to the left of the party. he's supporting kemi badenoch. and there's a lot of that going on. and i think it's a bit simplistic to say that, you know, you have two right wing candidates and you've knocked out the left wing candidate and all that. but my point is, it's not a great platform on which to

advance, even if it ultimately works . if you've only got the works. if you've only got the support of a third of your mps. but but if you look at the voting records, i mean, besides generic, you know, voting for against the rwanda bill, if you look at the voting records in the entirety of parliament, both of them are quite centrist, aren't they, with the way they've voted, despite their rhetoric, i would argue that although robert is the only one who has actually rebelled, and i think he's rebelled about 14 times, rwanda and probably about 14 times kemi has never rebelled against the government . yeah, against the government. yeah, i'm a bit sceptical of this idea that they're both, you know , so that they're both, you know, so far off to the right. you can't see them anymore. >> yeah, we've heard from both both jenrick and badenoch in the news bulletins, but also james cleverly i think gave out quite a decent statement tonight on twitter. >> we didn't do it. i didn't make it through and that is massively disappointing for me. but one of the things that has really lifted my spirits is how many people have given me and the team so much support. so i want to say a huge thank you to

you all. could not have done any of this without you . makes me of this without you. makes me proud to be a conservative. makes me proud that we can pull together as a team. thank you, thank you, thank you . thank you, thank you. >> a very generous statement from james cleverly. he must be furious. >> so paul goodman, i think one of the reasons he did so well in the contest and did so well at the contest and did so well at the conference is he's a very affable, unruffled bloke. and while the other two were saying things at the conference, they wouldn't really have wanted to have made into big stories. james cleverly just sort of swaggered amiably on stop being weird, you know, stop being weird, you know, stop being weird, be normal. delivered a good speech. he got a good reception and hey, that's politics. now he's out. >> joe phillips, do you think laboun >> joe phillips, do you think labour, labour's sir keir starmer, ed davey for lib dems, will be pretty pleased with the results? >> absolutely delighted. i mean keir starmer needs a bit of luck having shot himself in the foot quite spectacularly for the last hundred days. quite spectacularly for the last hundred days . and i think, you hundred days. and i think, you know, neither of these two are a

particular threat at the moment because it's such a divided particular threat at the moment because it's such a divided party. and i think you know, the party. and i think you know, the problem is paul talks about the problem is paul talks about the third, the third, the third. third, the third, the third. but, you know, if you then get but, you know, if you then get the members voting for somebody the members voting for somebody who two thirds potentially of who two thirds potentially of mps don't support, you're just mps don't support, you're just going to keep on having factions . going to keep on having factions . going to keep on having factions. going to keep on having factions. >> and that's the risk, isn't >> and that's the risk, isn't it? you've got basically a it? you've got basically a leader now who looks like leader now who looks like they'll be in tune with with the they'll be in tune with with the membership. exactly, but not membership. exactly, but not with the parliamentary party as with the parliamentary party as we found with boris, wasn't it? we found with boris, wasn't it? and then that puts them under. and then that puts them under. under they could be plotting, under they could be plotting, could start again. i know, and could start again. i know, and as things stand, i think it's a as things stand, i think it's a very low number of mps can can very low number of mps can can trigger a no confidence vote. trigger a no confidence vote. but i think the odds tonight, by but i think the odds tonight, by the way, are your odds somewhere the way, are your odds somewhere on neither of these two making on neither of these two making it to the next election? it to the next election? >> they probably won't. i mean, >> they probably won't. i mean, you know, they are probably you know, they are probably going to be the caretaker until going to be the caretaker until it comes to the next election. it comes to the next election. if this parliament, this is my if this parliament, this is my full term, andrea. >> but this sorry. this is why i full term, andrea. >> but this sorry. this is why i think that both reform and think that both reform and conservatives have got to bang their heads together at some

point before the next election,

to candidate in red wall seats to try and lessen the damage of what labour was going to do. now, there wasn't against that . now, there wasn't against that. so, you know, i've seen a different side. they are pragmatic and i think i think i think the simple answer to that is reform reform reform didn't stand down for you , did they? stand down for you, did they? no, no, but no. >> and cost you your seat. no. >> and cost you your seat. no. >> but at the end of the day, we're we're in a democracy. and i believe if i get voted out or get voted out. but i'm saying though that it was actually rishi who wouldn't do the deal . rishi who wouldn't do the deal. >> oh gosh. >> oh gosh. >> i spent most of my life carswell, mark reckless, all these characters who've done deals with 95. >> where are they now? they've all disappeared to the sidelines and nigel marches effortlessly on his reshaping his world. >> he's reshaping politics. but wait and see, joe phillips. >> well, i was just going to say, you know, i spent most of my time working for paddy, denying that there was any deal ever going to be done with neil kinnock and then tony blair and all of that. and you'll have read the ashdown diaries, chris.

but you know what actually happened when it came to coalition with the liberal democrats? surprise, surprise, it was nick clegg and david cameron. so you can never predict really as we have anyway, this one will run and run as joe phillips, andrew jenkins and paul goodman. >> thank you for now. up next, labour's radical rental reform bill is being voted on by mps, including one nigel farage, as we speak. will the bring bill, the bill bring security to millions of private rentals as labour hope, or will the administrative burden jack up rents, even further and force some private landlords to up altogether? we'll be debating that after

welcome back. now, you might be wondering where is nigel farage this evening? well, he's currently doing his day job in parliament. he's voting on the renters reform bill. this bill, championed by the labour government within their first

100 days, aims to reform the private rental market, banning no fault evictions, limiting rent increases and improving housing standards. deputy prime minister angela rayner is leading the charge , emphasising leading the charge, emphasising the urgent need for better protections for renters , protections for renters, especially vulnerable families. however , critics have argued however, critics have argued that the bill goes too far and places a huge burden on landlords, which could therefore lead to increased rents for tenants. joining me now in the studio is my panel of dame andrea jenkyns, a former tory mp and minister, and paddy ashdown's former press secretary for the lib dems. joe phillips, welcome joe. welcome, andrew. where are you on this rental reform? do you worry about they might force landlords out of the market? >> absolutely. it just feels like the politics of envy again with with labour. i mean, i've got some constituents who have even contacted me recently, even though i'm not their mp , who, though i'm not their mp, who, you know, they they bought rental property seeing this as

their pension, and now they're going to sell up . so what's it going to sell up. so what's it going to sell up. so what's it going to sell up. so what's it going to do. it means there's less property available. obviously less supply, more demand prices are going to go up. so it's going to be difficult for especially for young people. i think getting their own home. >> but joe phillips , looking at >> but joe phillips, looking at the detail here, it will mandate landlords to carry out essential repairs within a specific time frame. it stops landlords and letting agents encouraging tenants to bid above the listed rental price. it's basically equalising the market, isn't it? for renters paying through the nose already? >> i think the problem is, you know, there are no not all landlords are bad and not all tenants are bad. and andrea talks about people who've bought a house to rent, presumably long term rental. i live in a town where lots and lots of people who don't even come to the town bought them specifically for airbnbs, make a packet and that has killed the rental market. now, you know, i would be very happy to see those people sell up and lose money and make those houses available to people. but

i think the problem is that if you live in temporary accommodation, if you have that constant threat of eviction, the no fault eviction hanging over your head that has a terrifically bad impact on children's schooling, on your ability to get a job on your ability to get a job on your ability to get credit, on your ability to get credit, on your ability to get credit, on your ability to register, to vote, to register with a gp, to access health services, and to continue through the progress of day to day life. so i do think, you know, it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. we all know the story of fergus wilson, the dreadful, dreadful man who bought up acres and acres of property in ashford in kent and became a really big landlord, now part of the reason that that was so readily available was because nobody could get a mortgage, because it was built on floodplains and there's hundreds of houses. so, you know, there's a message there. where do you build houses? what sort of houses do you build? what can you do about properties

over shops ? there's a really over shops? there's a really good scheme in scotland whereby if you've got a second home or a home that you want to use as rental income, you basically lease it to the local authority. i mean, certainly in edinburgh . i mean, certainly in edinburgh. so they manage it, they find a tenant, they do all of your regular income, they give you a regular income, they give you a regular income, they give you a regular income, guaranteed terms to the so, you know, then you could say, actually, yes, i'm doing this, i'm a second home owner, but i'm doing it for a social purpose and that's real. but there are too many people, including a new labour mp who got rumbled the other day. yes , got rumbled the other day. yes, for extremely bad. and if you're frightened of being kicked out, chris, what are you going to say about the mould and the damp and the noise and the rubbish? >> many people have bought properties as a as an income , as properties as a as an income, as you alluded to there. are they being punished for the, for the bad eggs, as it were ? bad eggs, as it were? >> i seriously think they are. and as we've seen what labour has done with the private schools as well, i think they are just punishing aspiration .

are just punishing aspiration. and i mean, regarding rental, i mean i have i've also got a constituent who is a leasehold property that they've got a mortgage on now. they cannot allow pets in this leasehold. it's a 99 year lease, but we're trying to bring pets into the rental. i mean i'm an animal lover, so it just shows you, you know, there's so many differences between rental and also people who's got mortgages as well . we've got to make it as well. we've got to make it fair for everybody. yeah. the answer is to build more homes, not on floodplains, as you were saying there, joe, but build them. >> but the answer is to provide affordable social housing. you know, however , that is going to know, however, that is going to get those social housing because, i mean, look, they've labour will not guarantee now it's going to go to our veterans. >> they will not rule out it's going to go to illegal migrants. so who's i mean, when i was an mp , gosh, people were waiting mp, gosh, people were waiting 4 to 6 years to get on to get a

property . so what labour are property. so what labour are doing with this , people are doing with this, people are going to be waiting longer because there's going to be less less supply, but more demand. >> well, i don't think that's necessarily the case, but i do think there needs to be some protection for tenants. and i think you're absolutely right. there does need to be something that isn't a sort of a hammer to crack a nut. you know, it's fine having a goldfish or a small cat, but actually you don't want, you know, big dogs. >> well, joe and joe and andrew, we can now go to the normal presenter of this show, nigel farage mp, doing his day job. nigel farage, welcome to your show , i should say. how did you vote? >> thank you. chris. >> thank you. chris. >> i wonder how you voted . i >> i wonder how you voted. i wonder how you voted. >> oh, i think this is a huge mistake. i mean , yes, of course mistake. i mean, yes, of course it's true. there are rogue landlords and there are some tenants that get a rotten deal. there's no question about that. but here's the real issue with rents with an exploding

population, rents are going through the roof. they're up about 21% across england over the course of the last four years alone. and that's an average in some areas. the problem is far more acute and my real worry is about supply of housing. now, under the last government, we saw the first shades of this, you know, pressure coming on those that have got airbnbs because they're worried about second homes in cornwall or whatever it may be. but now you know what is being proposed. i mean, think about this, not just the idea that if somebody is there renting from you, frankly, you haven't got any means to remove them if you want to. that that sort of fixed term contracts would be ended. and then you've got ed miliband's epc certificates where you've got to bring your house up to a certain environmental standard by 2030, which certainly with older properties would cost a huge amount of money. and you've also, of course, had the tax changes the conservatives

brought in. for example, if you have a mortgage on a buy to let property, you can't write that cost off. so what's happening? what's happening all over the country is people that own buy to let properties are saying, do you know what? it's not worth it. i'd rather sell them. that decreases the supply. and that means rents go even higher. so i think this is a very self—defeating piece of legislation, even though i understand the intentions behind it. >> what do you say , nigel, to >> what do you say, nigel, to critics who say that it's mps who have second homes, who are trying to oppose this , these trying to oppose this, these bigger rights for renters and give them more certainty ? give them more certainty? >> well, you know, i've got a property that i rent out, but you know what? the way it's going, i may well just sell it. it'll be bought by a private person and that and that and that opportunity for people to take it and use it for a short term let for a holiday won't exist. who's the winner in that? >> the detail here of this this the no fault evictions says that

you can give four months notice before you move back in if you have to. i mean, it is it as draconian as you're suggesting, as you're suggesting? >> well, it is because there is an appeals process against that. and that would kind of go to a court, a junior court that would decide it . and look, i decide it. and look, i understand i repeat the point. i understand i repeat the point. i understand the point that if you're a tenant that is effectively being asked to leave, it may be deeply inconvenient and difficult for you . but inconvenient and difficult for you. but against inconvenient and difficult for you . but against that rights of you. but against that rights of property ownership are one of the absolutely fundamental freedoms that we treasure in the freedoms that we treasure in the free world. and i think what we're doing both the last government and this , we're government and this, we're encroaching upon that, that i think is a mistake. and wrong in principle. but the biggest problem , i repeat, is all that problem, i repeat, is all that will happen with this legislation is there will be fewer , fewer properties on the fewer, fewer properties on the to market rent at a time. and we

saw the figures just yesterday when the british population through net migration is exploding. >> i've got to ask you , nigel >> i've got to ask you, nigel farage, about the news of the day, which is the tory leadership contest, taking an unexpected turn. who do you fear most? kemi badenoch or james or most? kemi badenoch orjames or robert jenrick? the two candidates from the right of the party. >> well, firstly, can i apologise to the audience because i generally get my big predictions right? well, i got one wrong yesterday , i thought one wrong yesterday, i thought cleverly, i know i got it wrong. hands up, you know, i mean, i thought cleverly would sail through now. now it's very interesting that last night cleverly was on the terrace here in the palace of westminster, having a drink, strutting around , having a drink, strutting around, looking very confident, talking to everybody. went to boris's book launch and whilst he was almost on a victory parade, people at robert jenrick were on the phones talking to as many members of parliament as they possibly could. that's one

factor that i think played. the second factor that played was the chagos islands, because this story is far from over. and how funny before the david lammy chagos islands debate, the other day. who left the chamber? well, of course it was cleverly because he'd begun the negotiations in the first place. and that's another contributory factor. but the real reason, i think, that this has happened is supporters of cleverly thinking what he's going to win anyway. who do we want to knock out? do we want to knock out kemi? do we want to knock out jenrick and all being too clever by half? when i look at the two that are left, i'm pretty confident that if it's kemi badenoch she'll fall flat on her face pretty quickly. she's one of the most inconsistent politicians in westminster. what she says and what she does are two very different things. as for jenrick, he appears to be a convert to my kind of politics. he he now gives speeches walking around the stage . but you need

around the stage. but you need robert the charisma to carry it off. if you want. if you, if you want lessons in being nigel farage, i promise you i don't charge that much money for doing it. but but i tell you what, if he sticks to this, if he wins with the membership, which he may well do on this issue of the echr, he will find over half his parliamentary party viscerally opposed to it. and my guess is that jenrick, if he wins, he might make a brave stab at it on policy, but they'll do for him within a year. >> but but he's coming to eat your lunch . nigel farage you your lunch. nigel farage you shouldn't reform voters. maybe the leader of reform uk be a bit worried about these two right wing candidates . wing candidates. >> worried about people that lie at elections and then do the opposite? i don't think so. do you? kemi badenoch? of course, the great eurosceptic who, when she had ministerial responsibility, dropped the legislation that would have taken out of our law 4000 pieces of eu legislation and kemi

badenoch . yes, the one that now badenoch. yes, the one that now wants to control our borders and control immigration. who was the one that pushed the hardest for foreign students coming into britain, bringing their mum with them as dependants with inconsistency like that, there's very little to worry about . very little to worry about. >> well, nigel farage, i'll leave you to go back to the commons terrace to drink, to see what's going on there and get some gossip. but thanks for joining us on your show, farage tonight. and thank you, joe phillips, and thank you also, dave, andrew jenkin up next, m15 director general ken mccallum has warned that iran and russia are recruiting uk criminals to carry out their dirty work for them in this country. an with me next to discuss this

now yesterday, m15 director general ken mccallum gave an

alarming update on the current national security threats facing the country. our top spy explained that the threat from terrorism alongside ongoing efforts by iran and russia to harm the uk's security, now presented in his words, the most complex and interconnected threat environment we've ever seen. joining me now to discuss this is elizabeth broad, journalist and senior fellow at the atlantic council's transatlantic security initiative. and my panel are still here, of course, dame andrea jenkyns, a former tory mp and former government minister, and former government minister, and paddy ashdown's former press secretary from the lib dems, joe phillips. elizabeth, great to thank you for coming in. how worried are you about our safety in this country now, given the escalating issues in other parts of the world? >> well, i am worried about what matters even more is that we should all be worried, because what's happening is that russia and other countries have concluded with justification that our military defence is quite good. it could be better, but it's quite good. it's not worth trying any silly games

with our military, but that doesn't mean that they don't want to harm our countries. so what they're doing instead is using non—military means. we have seen them use novichok in the in the uk, we have seen them sabotage various industrial sites in other countries. the russians, we have seen china engagein russians, we have seen china engage in hostage diplomacy. we have seen cyber aggression over many years. we have seen disinformation and we try to counter each of these. but as soon as we get good at countering one of these, they do something else , which is what something else, which is what the director general of m15 was flagging up today. >> was he flagging up state sponsored activity, novichok being one of course, in in salisbury, or is it more about just sleeper cells? who then can start using their own own initiative to try and attack people in this country? >> so state sponsored activity is what what he was talking about. and it can take it can appearin about. and it can take it can appear in many guises and in many ways it's impossible to know whether what we are seeing

and what we are likely to see are people connected to a hostile state, or whether they're doing it on their own initiative . because if you are initiative. because if you are sponsoring hostile state, you're not going to flag up that connection to whoever, to whoever is causing mischief. >> i was surprised by the number of plots appear to have been foiled by m15. 43 late stage plots since 2017, some involving firearms and explosives. i mean, is it a mistake to view the very serious issues of the invasion of ukraine and looking at the middle east and thinking it's all kind of over there, but it's really very much here as well. >> it's very much here. and this is what i think is the really brutal awakening for this country. it is it feels safe. it is safe because it's an island. but with these means you can target any country regardless of whether it has a land border with any neighbours. and so i think this is something that people just have to realise . people just have to realise. these threats are real, not just the threats, but but the

attacks, the forms of, of, of harm that our country is being exposed to. and the more awareness we have, the more likely we are to be able to counter it. but if we if we don't tell people, how are they going to know until the really bad crisis or or form of, of harm strikes the country? >> yeah. david andrew jenkin, these terrorists only need to be right once, don't they? i mean, all this great work by m15 keeping us safe gets forgotten if one gets through. >> it is frightening. completely, as you said. really? and because they're not using the military means to come in really undetected, aren't they? and to be paying criminals to come over here and easily get through the eu roots. it's deeply concerning. but i mean, one thing that i'm even more concerned about is that we've got labour in power during this time because, look, let's not forget only on sunday this week, labour was saying about ensuring that boys who are classed as terrorists, if they have got

misogynist comments at school, where this needs to be, where the real focus is . and also the real focus is. and also i think we also need to look at the importance of supporting israel at the moment, because they are the ones who are obviously attacking iran. >> so joe phillips, andrew, are right . are we are we misusing right. are we are we misusing the word terrorism when we should be describing the people who caden cunningham was describing, rather than boys making a remark? >> well, i think, you know, one of the biggest things that any security expert will tell you is you start sowing division and you start sowing division and you start sowing division and you start fracturing society, because that makes it very dangerous. and i was at a talk the other day with jonathan evans, former head of m16, and he said, you know, we used to worry about tanks rolling up whitehall , but we actually whitehall, but we actually missed. and we and we are way behind . i missed. and we and we are way behind. i think all missed. and we and we are way behind . i think all countries behind. i think all countries are way behind the technological abilities of rogue actors. if you like, you know, hostile states to infiltrate and cause chaos, whether it's through misinformation , disinformation misinformation, disinformation or hacking, you know, the

railway or the health service or banks, it's everywhere. >> i mean, elizabeth brewer, i know for a fact that the international actors may may want to get involved in the tory leadership campaign. there were threats last time , weren't threats last time, weren't there? they will do anything they can to cause chaos. >> they will. >> they will. >> and what is frightening is that when they when they interfere in elections and they are likely to interfere in the us election as well. what matters is not whether they actually succeed in changing the outcome of the election. what matters is they give the impression to the public that our elections cannot be trusted. thatis our elections cannot be trusted. that is so harmful to a democracy. if voters cannot be sure that the vote they have cast has actually ended up with with a candidate, they were casting their vote for, and if they cannot be sure that the information they receive about the issues and the candidates, that that is correct information. >> europol and former government minister andrew jenkin. why has ken mccallum made this speech now? what's going on behind the scenes? we don't know about ? scenes? we don't know about? >> that's very difficult to answer, isn't it really? because i'm not behind the scenes.

>> you are. you're more than we were during government. you know , were during government. you know, you're part of the deep state once. no, absolutely. >> and in the whips office, you have to sign the official secrets act, etc. so as the northern ireland minister as well, to i had look clearly something's brewing, isn't it? and i mean, maybe that's why we've got a weak labour government at the moment. if they're interfering, it's music to their ears, isn't it, to hostile actors. but but in all seriousness, something's clearly brewing and i, i hope that the government put more resources into m15 appeal for money, because joe phillips is a big the big spending round. >> we're going to hear, i think, in the spring right now, i think departments are bidding for what they can . yes. they can. yes. >> and i think, you know, there is this there's always going to be this tension between, you know, the ministry of defence that wants money for the traditional fighting force, if you like. and the other people who need it for the security services. but i think you know, as elizabeth has just said, this unsettling of people who go, oh, i don't trust that. i don't trust that. i only trust that

because that person said it. even if that person is not real, that person is a bot. and all i would say is that we need all of us need to get a little bit more savvy about checking our facts. we can all have opinions, but we should check the facts and we take great care of that @gbnews certainly do . certainly do. >> joe, thank you for joining us from atlantic council and of course, andrew jenkins and joe phillips. thank you too. now next. no point crying over spilt pint. well you might be soon be increased taxes on and they could see

>> needs a cigar. >> needs a cigar. >> now is the humble pint under threat? well , brewers >> now is the humble pint under threat? well, brewers and landlords are warning that chancellor rachel reeves potential tax hike in the upcoming budget could signal the end of what's called the affordable pint. already around 80 pubs a month are facing closure, according to figures compiled by advisory firm altus.

with alcohol duty under review and business rates relief for pubs at risk. the industry is already bracing itself and may be grappling with rising costs and fears of widespread closures. brewers argue that further taxes would worsen the sector's financial woes, while labour's proposed worker rights reforms may create staffing crisis in pubs that rely on flexible work contracts. dave mountford , the co—founder of the mountford, the co—founder of the forum of british pubs, who was forced to shut his pub two weeks ago just borrowing costs after running for 13 years, joins me now. dave, welcome to farage. >> good evening. how are you? you? well ? you? well? >> yeah. i'm sorry about your pub. tell us the story of what happened to you. >> well, we've been in the pub. it's an independent, privately owned. we've been there 13 years and we were trading very effectively. it's been a very successful small community pub. turning over about three quarters of £1 million a year. and we were doing very well up

until covid when covid hit, we came out of covid with a large bounceback loan . we didn't get bounceback loan. we didn't get anything like the support we needed from the government. we had to pay rents while we were shut, so we came out of the pub in debt. then two years on, we had the situation with regards to the war in ukraine and our electricity bill went from three grand a month to six grand a month. so basically for the last two years we've made no money at all. really. >> you're being squeezed every which way, dave. and of course, more and more people are buying dnnks more and more people are buying drinks from off licences and supermarkets, going home to dnnk supermarkets, going home to drink them because they're frankly cheaper. well, we never lost that trade. >> we never lost a level of trade. that's the important thing to say. our trade that came back and we were as busy as we were before covid, but there is just there is just basically no money in the in the business anymore. the taxation, we are taxed at just about every level.

you can imagine. and the, the increase in the gas and electricity crippled us, although that's come down now, we're still tied into very high rates where we were before we came out. the pub. but the increase in the living wage in april put £32,000 on our wage bill this year. that's just unsustainable without increasing our price in a in an independent pub well into the 5 to £6 a pint mark, which in derbyshire is, you know, it's kind of unheard of really. or it would have been before. is it, david? is it a lot of mps, politicians watch this programme. >> is it worth rethinking how we define the pub given it has a social value, doesn't it, which is different to other companies and businesses? >> well , yes and businesses? >> well, yes it is. i could go on about all the support that community pubs offer, but i've actually been a campaigning for, for pubs for the last. well i stopped two years ago actually, but prior to that i was doing it for 12 years. i've briefed

rachel reeves twice while she was chair of the bayes select committee . i've also briefed committee. i've also briefed lucy powell when she was the shadow business minister and amongst 60 other mps over the 12 years that i was campaigning and i've really couldn't think of anybody who showed a real, genuine interest in the pubs and the pub industry. i don't think anybody really understood it. they view it. i believe, as very much a sort of a black economy. the health issues that are there. we never really got the reasons why . but what i can reasons why. but what i can assure you is that i've, i've yet to meet an mp , understands yet to meet an mp, understands that the benefits that pub offer. >> dave, dave, i want to wish you cheers from gb news. i've got to call last orders in our conversation. but all the best to you and hope it gets better for you shortly. thank you for joining us tonight on farage. joining me now in the studio here is my panel of dame andrea

jenkyns, former tory mp and minister in the last government, and paddy ashdown's former press secretary, joe phillips. well, cheers to you both. to our embattled pub lime and soda. it's really not easy, is it, being a pub at the moment? >> it's very difficult and it has been for years and i think, you know, it's all sorts of things. it's it is obviously the legacy of covid. there's also problems about transport in rural areas . there's the cost of rural areas. there's the cost of running a property. there's the arrangements between the brewery, you know, if you've got tied businesses , staff and tied businesses, staff and again, it comes back to have the staff got the means to get to the pub, the young people. and it's very difficult. >> a quick word, why doesn't government get the value of pubs in our community? >> i mean, to me, i think labour are the party poopers unless the party's for them. >> you wellchilds 14 years. you can't blame labour for that. >> come on, we was okay with it. i mean, look, we gave lots of support during lockdown as well to the hospitality industry, but the fact is look they've been hammered. if they labour go ahead with what they're

proposing. and let's not look at the knock on effect of their not being able to smoke in beer gardens. what they're proposing. >> well, i think they've rowed back from that. and there is a possibility that labour might ban smoking but not vaping. >> they're under fire over last last orders are safe anyway. jacob jacob rees—mogg, welcome without a drink. you've got your show. i haven't got a drink with my beer. thank you. i'll survive sober for my next hour. i've got to ask you about today, jacob rees—mogg. what on earth is going on in your party? >> well, it even silenced you momentarily. and you're the great expert on understanding what's going on in the tory party. i will obviously be talking about this during my programme. what happened? how did james cleverly fall out? who is now the favourite between robert jenrick and kemi badenoch? i've got john redwood with me to discuss that and it's absolutely fascinating that one day's front runner is next days out of the competition. >> were they lending votes, trying to kill off the two right wi ngers? wingers? >> well, or was it just an all a great muddle, or is it all to down allison pearson in the telegraph saying that she'd joined reform if james cleverly

had become leader? well, it's been to great nigel farage this week. >> today, andrea jenkins, joe phillips, thank you both for joining us. be a great show. i'll be tuning in. that's all for me. coming up next, state of the nation with jacob rees—mogg. first, though, the weather with alex burkill. >> even though we'll see a cloudy start, it'll be a bright outlook for the rest of the day. boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. i'm here with your gb news. weather from the met office as we go through into tomorrow, it is going to turn dner tomorrow, it is going to turn drier for many of us with some clearer or brighter skies, but with that, it is also going to be a bit chillier because as the low pressure that's been dominating the weather across the uk recently drifts away towards the east, we will then get a northerly flow and that northerly air is going to bring something a little bit colder for the time being though, still some clouds, some outbreaks of rain across many parts of england and wales. all of this

though shifting further southwards with clearer skies developing across scotland, northern england and northern ireland. and under these clearer skies, temperatures are going to take a bit of a drop. turning pretty chilly could be a touch of frost in some places. a milder night, though across the south here it is going to be a cloudier start to tomorrow morning. there will be some outbreaks of rain. could be the odd heavier burst, but most of this will clear through as we go through the morning for central parks. things brightening up quite quickly and also some decent bright sunny weather across parts of northern ireland, northern england and scotland. but all the time there will be some showers around . the will be some showers around. the showers will be most likely in areas exposed to that northerly wind, so parts of northern ireland, northern scotland and down the eastern side of england and scotland as well. but even a few showers are possible elsewhere. we may see 1 or 2 showers developing in some inland places too, but for many it is going to be a much drier day than the last couple of days, and it's going to be a bit brighter. but like i said, we do

have that cold air pushing its way in, so temperatures markedly lower and feeling pretty cold indeed, especially in those brisk northerly winds as we go towards the end of the week and a bit of a north south split developing wetter weather across northern parts of scotland, seeing some outbreaks of rain, perhaps some wintriness over the higher ground, staying drier and brighter across the southern two thirds of the uk. however, again through the weekend, some rain is likely, mainly in the north. i'll see you again soon. bye bye. >> we'll see a cold snap which will quickly develop into a warm front. boxt boiler sponsoi's sponsors of weather on gb news

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promoters giving taylor swift tickets to senior figures allegedly resulted in them putting pressure on the police to give the pop star a royal blue light escort to wembley stadium before saying so long london freebie gate is no longer an embarrassment . it's exposing an embarrassment. it's exposing an embarrassment. it's exposing a huge blank space in the government's democratic integrity. perhaps they were hoping august would slip away into a moment of time, but the don't blame me for this is starmer about to get his karma and apparently there were lots of references to taylor swift in that which i'm too ignorant to know about nonetheless. and then there were two kemi badenoch and robert jenrick are the finalists in the tory leadership race after being decided by mps today, as james cleverly was voted out in a shock result, they will now face their toughest audience, the tory membership, who will emerge victorious. labour's plans to impose vat on private schools will not be delayed, according to treasury minister james murray. but three christian

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