the disunity that was so destructive when we were actually in government. >> although tobias are both kemi badenoch and robert jenrick not right to address the threat of reform uk and the small matter of the 4.1 million people that voted for them in july. >> oh, absolutely. but you know, as i found out in bournemouth east, i knocked on the very doors of people that voted reform. there was five doors in a row on a particular street. i went back there and said, tell me now, what do you think? now you see the result and they go, firstly, really sorry to have lost you personally . we liked lost you personally. we liked you as a local mp. that's always nice to hear , but i then nice to hear, but i then i ventured to say were we not right wing enough? is that why you voted reform? and they said no, we couldn't vote for any of the other parties, but we wanted to send a message to westminster that you looked incompetent and we wanted you to regroup. so thatis we wanted you to regroup. so that is the message that if we show competence, if we start to refine the policies that will appeal to the electorate as a whole, then we can actually push

reform away without having to feel the need to join them. i make it really clear that it's very, very simple. what we need to do put country before party, don't make promises to court the membership vote that won't survive contact with the real world. let's stay professional. let's don't turn this into the hunger games and let's retain a broad church appeal. pitching from the extreme, as i say, will never win. and finally, we're in no rush. the nation really is not listening to us yet. we've got a long time to regroup, craft that longer term narrative that helps us broaden our electoral appeal. so that we actually do attract people under the age of 30. >> tobias ellwood a real treat to have you back on the show. we'll catch up soon. former conservative mp tobias ellwood, of course, chair of the defence select committee and former soldier, as well a fascinating stuff. well, more to come on that. but next up, take a look at this extraordinary video of opera singer wyn evans touching his strictly come dancing

partner inappropriately. now they've said it's a joke. look what he's doing with his hand there all over that lady's waist. but is there more to this story than meets the eye? i'll be asking. one of britain's best known connected showbiz journalists in what looks be another developing bbc

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assassination attempt . luckily, assassination attempt. luckily, it was thwarted. this was yesterday in coachella in california. donald trump wanted to address a crowd there , and to address a crowd there, and somebody was apprehended a mile from the venue with multiple firearms, saying that he wanted to kill trump. he's now essentially being dealt with by the authorities. i think he's on bail. but really, really worrying for news american development, that race for the white house, which couldn't be more toxic. so i'll bring you more toxic. so i'll bring you more on that extraordinary story shortly. but let's talk about the bbc now, because a row has broken out on strictly come dancing with a video emerging, appearing to show welsh opera singer wyn evans touching his strictly dance partner katya jones, inappropriately reaching his hand around her waist. take a look at the offending video so there he is behind her and she's she's moving his hand away from hers. i mean, it looks like

highly inappropriate behaviour. if that happened on public transport, you'd be arrested. but this follows another clip showing jones offering a high five to his partner but being rejected . there you go. that's rejected. there you go. that's pretty embarrassing, isn't it ? pretty embarrassing, isn't it? and now the two of them have said the whole thing was a joke. take a listen. hi, everybody. >> hi, everyone. it's winnie and cassie here. we just wanted to say we were just messing around in the auditorium on saturday night and just want to say sorry. it was a silly joke. yeah, sorry. >> okay, well , folks, what on >> okay, well, folks, what on earth is going on? let's speak to one of the best connected showbiz journalists in the country. stephanie takyi. stephanie. >> good evening. mark. >> good evening. mark. >> my goodness. strictly is a headune >> my goodness. strictly is a headline making machine. >> it's a headline making mess. mark at the moment. you know, when i saw those videos, i think what the actual joke is, is that they were forced to make this apology . they could have let it apology. they could have let it all blow over and people would have forgotten about it. the cameras do not lie, mark. for most women watching that move

from within and the way katya removed his arm, it looks uncomfortable. it doesn't look like it's an easy moment between the pair. you know, katya has come out and said, you know, it's absurd to think that anything was behind it, but it makes a mockery of viewers who are watching it and clearly saying, you look uncomfortable here and because the bbc have had so much scandal around this whole series, the bbc only have themselves to blame. they've made the show into a thing where people now are watching it like a hawk eye for things like this. so when may be clearly innocent here, but because the bbc have made it so that every move needs to be analysed, people are going to be analysed, people are going to come out with controversial statements like this. >> indeed , the two have said >> indeed, the two have said that this is a private joke between them. are you buying that or is there more to this story than meets the eye? mark? >> i think there's more to meets the eye, and i wouldn't be surprised in a few years if we're both still here, we'll be talking about the headlines when katya can probably talk about

what's actually happened right now, they're trying to save face for the show. they're trying to actually save the show itself from all of the controversies that's been through, because to women who've actually gone through those kind of harassments, you can't make light of that. and you can't say, that's a joke. you know what's been going on with the show at the moment? people are saying , actually, that doesn't saying, actually, that doesn't look too comfortable. >> well, definitely. i mean, this is this this footage is wyn jones reaching around to, if you're only listening on the radio, reaching with his hand onto her midriff. i mean, i'm not sure that even mrs. dolan would put up with that. and we're married. these two are not in a relationship. >> they're dance partners on national television . and the national television. and the thing is, i want to play devil's advocate here, mark, because if it was all innocent, the problem is now watching the results show tonight , wyn is now watching the results show tonight, wyn looked very uncomfortable. he didn't put his hand on katya because now his reputation could be tarnished . reputation could be tarnished. so, so far he's been doing great in this series. but now what's going to happen? people are going to happen? people are going to happen? people are going to be watching. oh, is he touching that dancer

inappropriately? and this is all happened because the fun has been taken out of strictly. >> and if this was a private joke, what kind of joke is it? it involves a man touching another woman that's not in relationship. >> this is why this apology video that they've put out twice now, they've put out two apology videos. it doesn't make sense, and it does make a mockery of women who have been through abuse. >> the video is like something out of north korea , isn't it? out of north korea, isn't it? frankly, it's like they've got a gun to their head. well, we've got another development now because my team have got hold of the latest apology from katya jones on instagram. so let's take a listen to what she has said earlier today. >> happy sunday everyone. >> happy sunday everyone. >> now i need to make something crystal clear . the hand incident crystal clear. the hand incident that happened on saturday night was an insight, a very silly, very silly inside joke between wyn and i. so even the idea that it made me feel uncomfortable or offended me in any way is

complete nonsense. it's quite absurd actually. now can we just focus on how brilliantly he's doing and what an amazing dance doing and what an a