brought. action might be brought. obviously, there was a lot of there's going to be a huge cleaning bill and a fumigation that these insects were not only on one floor, but they they were taken into the lifts. and so that means that the whole building. oh, right. had to be fumigated and that's obviously an extremely expensive thing. somebody's going to have to pay for that. but i cannot talk about the investigation of the adults. and i do want to stress, obviously, these i feel very ambivalent about these children. on the one hand, i think you know, these are kids. they've been manipulated. and i have a lot of sympathy for kids who have been manipulated. and these are the children we're trying to save from being medicalized and having their lives ruined. on the other hand, kids , teenagers the other hand, kids, teenagers have to take responsibility for their actions, don't they .7 and their actions, don't they? and what is wrong with the adults in their lives? what is wrong with their lives? what is wrong with their parents who allow them to perch up dangerously in the middle of london for days on end? why have these parents not learnt the most important part of parenting, which sometimes

you have to say no, you have to say no and the adult and you have to teach them how not to let themselves be manipulated. these malign adults who in the background are very likely to have been manipulating them and paid for this, this event. why are their parents not protecting them? there's something very wrong going on here and does it suggest that there is a further problem insofar as some of the most virulent homophobia that i've seen online has come from within trans activist circles, using old school homophobic slurs, talking about how aids was a good thing, all sorts of horrendous things. >> and then you have this crickets, insects unleashed. i mean, the optics of that very much. it's the sort of thing that the, that the neo—nazis might have done back in the 80s. >> well, i don't think they've, they've, they've read their old testament, have they. because unleashing a plague of locusts. it's not the good guys that do that. it's not the good guys that do that . no. exactly. and it was, that. no. exactly. and it was, it was a foolish action, also quite unpleasant for people who had to see these, these hapless

insects being trampled on and hoovered up. horrible for the for the staff, these, these, you know, people minimum wage staff who had to deal with this. i just think it was such a poorly conceived and unpleasant action all round and driven by hate , at all round and driven by hate, at least ignorance and we need to find a way forward in which people are not told these lies anymore. these lies are unmasked. no, these kids need they deserve better. they deserve better. >> yes. and as you say, conversation is key and you would be happy to have a conversation with anyone who has these reservations. of course, we've always said so , but this we've always said so, but this is such an authoritarian thing to do to try and prevent other people from talking. i mean, like you say, these aren't the good guys here, and it would be strange that anyone could conceive of them as being so. finally, just tell us about the conference and what sort of speakers did you have and what sort of event were you trying to put on there? >> well, as i said, so we started off with this young lesbian who was explaining what it's like to be a young lesbian, how difficult it is now. and,

and very, very courageous young woman. and then we had a panel of gay men talking about their different ages, although it was the point was made that they, in spite of many efforts, they could not find a 20 something. so they had they had some 30 somethings and 40 somethings and 50 somethings and 60 somethings, but the 20 somethings did not dare represented they, they couldn't. they don't dare, they don't dare. it's too scary out there. and even though we're heanng there. and even though we're hearing signs from from within the lgbtq world that there are many, many, many more people now who agree with us. but it's not always easy to come forward . and always easy to come forward. and then we had a media panel, which was fantastic, in which kath lang, for instance, talked about the problems within the bbc and the problems within the bbc and the complete failure of impartiality at the bbc and her valiant efforts to do something about that. and we heard about the guardian also used to be, i mean, i grew up for decades. i got all my news from the guardian and the bbc and they

have now completely abandoned the field of impartiality. so that was really very interesting. we had a fantastic keynote address from james dreyfus, who was really , really dreyfus, who was really, really inspiring and, and, and very passionate and, and in praise also of us, which was very heartening. and then i did a legal panel with , with akua legal panel with, with akua reindorf and, and michael foran, these experts and also lizzie pitts , who's been through one of pitts, who's been through one of these cases in which they really explained some, some very important things which are constantly misunderstood about the equality act and the gender recognition act and the way they interact. >> and will people be able to see these online at all? yes. >> so those were all recorded and they will be online. the very, very interesting talk that kate harris did , the interview kate harris did, the interview with jamie reed, that that will that's going to be redone because we had to do it in the other room. yes. it's fascinating. she's a whistleblower. she worked at a

gender clinic and she saw close up how these gender clinics were failing. these kids. and now she has blown the whistle on them. and we're, you know , we had and we're, you know, we had a really, really good talks about possible collaboration and that that was a fantastic talk. and i just really enjoyed it. and i just really enjoyed it. and i just feel so proud of lgb alliance. brilliant. >> well, where can people find out more about lgb alliance? >> well, we have of course on our website lgb alliance. org .uk and our twitter site, twitter account at alliance lgb. my twitter account at alliance lgb. my own personal twitter account, beth jackson auth or h. also, i tend to tweet quite frequently. i'm not allowed to say tweet anymore. post i suppose. >> post on x. yes, yes you can get with the times. beth, thanks ever so much forjoining me. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> and next on free speech nafion >> and next on free speech nation i'm going to be talking to jenny lindsay, whose new book talks about women being hounded for standing up for their rights. she joins me in just a moment

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation . later in the show, i'll nation. later in the show, i'll be turning agony uncle with the help of my panel, nick dixon and cressida whitten will help you deal with your unfiltered dilemmas . so just deal with your unfiltered dilemmas. so just message us at gbnews.com/yoursay and we'll help you deal with all of your issues. a new book written by the poet jenny lindsay, explores her and others experiences with trans campaigners and the ways in which in which women who speak up for their rights are silenced, hounded , as the title silenced, hounded, as the title suggests, documents exactly that the activists attempting to shut her down or cancel her by working in packs, organising protests, petitions and pylons all because she and other women express the controversial opinions that they believe in. the reality of biological sex. well, jenny, i'm delighted to say , joins me now. welcome to say, joins me now. welcome to the show. thanks for having me. so, jenny hounded, tell us about the genesis of the book.

>> well, i was actually which is rare in gender critical circles. i was actually approached to consider writing the book and i, as you say, have experienced this sort of gamut of i call i call it gender identity activism, because what is being centred isn't actually trans identity itself. it's gender identity. yes . so gender identity. yes. so gender identity. yes. so gender identity campaigners had targeted me in the scottish arts, and to the point where i felt compelled to write an 8205 word essay exploring my own experiences in detail. because what happens if you get hounded , what happens if you get hounded, particularly if you're not somebody who is uncancellable, shall we say? and although performance poetry is one of the world's most lucrative art forms , world's most lucrative art forms, i was not exactly in a position to survive it. >> what sort of harassment were you experiencing? >> so it it would take far too long to go into my own experiences, to be honest with you. but what the book is trying to do and why i was approached to do and why i was approached to write it, was off the back of the essay that i wrote about my own experiences. so what i

identified in that essay and what the publisher polity was interested in doing, was looking at the different types of harms faced by women who speak out in the gender wars. so this isn't about the harms of the ideology itself. those harms have been talked about and written about at length by so , so many people. at length by so, so many people. and actually that's one of the first harms. so i split the book into psychological harms, social harms, economic harms and democratic harms. one of the first psychological harms. obviously, if you are a woman with the core beliefs that we have, is that as this ideology scaffolds around you, you do start to feel a bit like you're going mad because we have the core beliefs. i'll just set them out. you can agree with them or not, but the first one is that women are materially definable as a category of human being, and we believe that a women on that basis are legislatively, culturally and politically important, that it has political salience. and the third thing that any woman who's been houndedin that any woman who's been hounded in the gender wars believes is that women should

have unfettered right to freedom of speech and assembly on matters that affect us profoundly. yes. so those are the three core beliefs. if you look at any woman, whether it's maya forstater or kelly j. keen, jane claire jones, myself, milly hill , rosie jane claire jones, myself, milly hill, rosie k, all of us have tripped the wire on one or all three of those core beliefs. so in order to assess whether or not we deserve our soundings, we're going to have to assess whether those views are true and what the consequences of holding those beliefs are. >> it's very interesting. i mean, you mentioned some names of people who've been on this show to talk about their experiences, some really frightening harassment, bullying, i would call it. and as you say, it can have economic ramifications, all sorts of problems . ramifications, all sorts of problems. but as you say, in a way , whether what you're saying way, whether what you're saying is true or not shouldn't justify this kind of public shaming and cancel culture. >> yeah, i, i completely agree . >> yeah, i, i completely agree. and i take what i call my ideal reader on the journey up to that conclusion. i must say . so. so conclusion. i must say. so. so my book is and it's for a lay reader. so somebody who's maybe

kind of aware of this issue, they're kind of aware that, you know, something's happening to do with gender, but they're not particularly sort of in the trenches like we are, you know, and so they're kind of aware that something kind of disquieting is happening because this is the fact to be honest with you, there are still a sizeable number of people who still with you, there are still a sizeable number of people who don't actually really know don't actually really know exactly the extent of what's exactly the extent of what's going on. so my book doesn't going on. so my book doesn't just focus on the headline just focus on the headline cases. i'm focusing on women cases. i'm focusing on women that nobody will ever have heard that nobody will ever have heard of. >> that's a really key point, of. >> that's a really key point, because a lot of the time when because a lot of the time when we think of cancel culture, we we think of cancel culture, we hear about attempts on hear about attempts on celebrities, attempts to cancel celebrities, attempts to cancel celebrities, attempts to cancel celebrities, but the vast majority of cases are people you celebrities, attempts to cancel celebrities, but the vast majority of cases are people you never hear of exactly. never hear of exactly. >> and as as i said to him, the >> and as as i said to him, the daily telegraph, the other day, a lot of their viewers have daily telegraph, the other day, a lot of their viewers have never heard. some of you will never heard. some of you will never heard. some of you will never have heard of me. i mean, never heard. some of you will never have heard of me. i mean, you know, and i was i'm often you know, and i was i'm often tagged in on twitter to these tagged in on twitter to these kind of arguments where people kind of arguments where people are like, oh, if you don't think are like, oh, if you don't think cancel culture is real, look cancel culture is real, look what happened to jenny lindsay. what happened to jenny lindsay. and it's like, yeah, i wasn't and it's like, yeah, i wasn't well known enough to survive a well known enough to survive a hounding. what i've had to do is hounding. what i've had to do is write my way out of my hounding. write my way out of my hounding.

but i'm writing non—fiction. i'm but i'm writing non—fiction. i'm not writing performance poetry stage shows anymore, so i've had to find a new way to do it. it's a fascinating topic and very, very timely, this book. >> so just tell us quickly you're having a launch, i believe, for the book. >> i am the reason that i'm spirited onto your bill this evening is i'm actually down in london, very rarely leave the house,

welcome back to free speech nation. last month, the playwright, author and political

satirist c.j. hopkins had his acquittal overturned by the highest court in berlin and was found guilty of hate speech. his crime was that he had criticised germany's covid narrative, comparing it to the third reich, and tweeted the cover of his book the rise of the new normal reich, which included a picture of a mask and a swastika. and he was convicted of spreading pro—nazi propaganda. so cj hopkins joins me from berlin now. welcome to the show. let's talk first about the book. there was an image of a swastika on the book. is that what caused the book. is that what caused the problem here? >> yeah, it was actually not the book cover itself, but i tweeted two tweets back in 2022, including the cover art from the book, and the tweets were criticising the mask mandates, and i wrote the tweets in german . and i wrote the tweets in german. and that's what started the whole affair . whole affair. >> can you clarify for us what how this could have possibly violated german law? what is it

precisely that they were accusing you of in germany? >> and i think a lot of people know this, but there's a lot of misunderstanding about it. swastikas are, you know, displaying swastikas or other nazi symbols or insignia is banned. generally . germany banned. generally. germany doesn't want neo—nazis running around waving swastikas and ss runes and so on. and i actually agree with this law. i'm a free speech absolutist, but i make an exception for germany because of its history. this law , however, its history. this law, however, contains several key exceptions. and of course, it does , because and of course, it does, because you couldn't teach a history class or show a quentin tarantino film or create art. if there weren't exceptions to this ban. two of the exceptions are are key to my case, one of which is art. basically , and the other is art. basically, and the other of which is they make an exception to this ban. if one is

displaying a swastika to counter anti—constitutional activity . anti—constitutional activity. unfortunately, the op courage to the superior court in berlin is trying to the law a little bit and they they have somehow decided that this anti—constitutional activity that one is countering has to be specifically nazi related . specifically nazi related. >> well, can i ask you what was the point you were trying to make through the use of the swastika, through the comparison with the third reich? >> the point that i was trying to make was was pretty simple in in 2020, the german government, the current german government, suspended the constitution , suspended the constitution, banned protests, started censoring dissent, banned protests, started censoring dissent , eventually censoring dissent, eventually rolled out. you know, the police goon squads to beat people up who weren't cooperating . and by who weren't cooperating. and by the end of it, they were right on the verge of passing vaccination mandates , forcing vaccination mandates, forcing everyone to be vaccinated . so,

everyone to be vaccinated. so, in other words, there was all this anti—constitutional activity going on. and in the book, i was covering it in my essays all during this time. and basically what i was saying is, hey , look at what the german hey, look at what the german government has been doing since 2020, and isn't this a bit reminiscent of the rise of nazi germany? and the way the reminiscent of the rise of nazi germany? and the way the constitution was suspended and all the decrees were put through ? constitution was suspended and all the decrees were put through ? all the decrees were put through? >> but what i find confusing all the decrees were put through? >> but what i find confusing about that is because even if about that is because even if someone doesn't agree with your someone doesn't agree with your perspective on the lockdown, perspective on the lockdown, they can surely see that what they can surely see that what you are doing is not endorsing you are doing is not endorsing the nazis. quite the opposite. the nazis. quite the opposite. so how can it be that the so how can it be that the prosecutors are persisting with prosecutors are persisting with this when they must know that this when they must know that you yourself are not a neo—nazi? you yourself are not a neo—nazi? >> well , andrew, you >> well , andrew, you you yourself are not a neo—nazi? you yourself are not a neo—nazi? >> well, andrew, you mentioned it. the first court that i was >> well, andrew, you mentioned it. the first court that i was tried at acknowledged right off tried at acknowledged right off the bat. they said, okay, this the bat. they said, okay, this guy is not guilty because he's guy is not guilty because he's obviously not promoting the obviously not promoting the nazis. he's using nazi germany nazis. he's using nazi germany and using the swastika symbol as and using the swastika symbol as and using the swastika symbol as a way of criticising the current and using the swastika symbol as a way of criticising the current government. and therefore, the government. and therefore, the

only logical conclusion is that he sees the nazis as a negative, you know, force , right? it's you know, force, right? it's common sense. it's unmistakeable. the prosecution was not happy with that. and in germany they're allowed to appeal an acquittal. and so they tookit appeal an acquittal. and so they took it to the superior court, the superior court . it was the superior court. it was pretty clear at my trial or my heanng pretty clear at my trial or my hearing that they had made up their mind in advance before my attorney made his arguments. you know, andrew, the long and short of it is, is this isn't really a story about the law that german

supenor superior court me the superior court pronounced me guilty in a funny way. that prevented me from going back to the district court and having all of my other arguments heard and so on and so forth. so they've basically denied me a right to a fair hearing. they've basically denied me a right to a fair hearing . we're right to a fair hearing. we're taking my lawyers preparing a complaint now to the german supreme court, the constitutional court . and that's constitutional court. and that's what we've got left. that's where we're going . where we're going. >> but as it stands, you do have a hate speech conviction for this satirical book. >> oh, yes. yes. as it stands, i'm officially a hate criminal. >> absolutely astonishing stuff . >> absolutely astonishing stuff. well, i'm afraid we're out of time, but i'd love you to come back on at a later date and give us an update on this story, if you would. c.j. hopkins, thanks very much for joining you would. c.j. hopkins, thanks very much forjoining me. you would. c.j. hopkins, thanks very much forjoining me . well, very much forjoining me. well, that's the end of the first hour on free speech nation. but please don't go away because there is a lot more to come between now and 9:00. don't go anywhere .

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difficult driving conditions through the morning rush hour with some spray on the road, but further north it will start to come a bit drier and brighter, certainly for places such as northern ireland and parts of nonh northern ireland and parts of north east and scotland, it will be fairly dry, bright and crisp start to the day on monday. further west across the western isles, still lingering on underneath that band of rain and with those stronger winds coming from that southerly direction through the rest of monday, though, that front system does move off in towards the north sea and it has become drier, particularly across western parts, through the rest of monday . further north, monday. further north, particularly some decent sunshine across northern ireland and scotland, but further south quite stubbornly holding onto that cloud. so mild temperatures but still fairly cool temperatures again into the double figures across scotland and some bright sunshine. tuesday will be starting generally cloudier across much of the uk, and notice these winds will be picking up as well, so particularly parts of scotland will notice a more blustery feel on tuesday. and then we begin to see some areas of showers moving in from the

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update first from katie bowen. >> andrew, thank you and good evening. it'sjust >> andrew, thank you and good evening. it's just gone 8:00. these are your latest headlines from the gb newsroom. developing tonight in the middle east. hezbollah has said it launched a drone attack on a military base in northern israel. earlier , in northern israel. earlier, with israeli medics reporting that around 60 people have been injured in the attack on the golani brigade camp. the idf has yet has not yet confirmed the number of casualties. it comes as this afternoon, israeli military said that one of its tanks entered a un post in southern lebanon while attempting to evacuate injured soldiers, adding that its actions pose no danger to the un peacekeeping force. 15 peacekeepers were reportedly injured in what the un called a shocking violation. the us has also announced tonight that they will send an anti—missile system to israel, along with troops to operate it. the terminal high altitude area defence is a type

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