and welcome back to headliners . and welcome back to headliners. we have diversity news now. kerry and a leading campaign group say that it is not our strength after all. >> this is the daily mail woke diversity programs are failing british businesses by creating deep resentment and division. and because they're just stupid. it doesn't say that here. i added that . so this is basically added that. so this is basically added that. so this is basically a di not working out too well for all those reasons. there's 49 major companies, including bt , 49 major companies, including bt, panasonic and rolls—royce complaining about it. what's going on is this whole thing with identity that's going on for a while, where people's identity has largely become an obsession with their identity as an identity. there was a study i think came out today that showing that young people increasingly identify

showing that young people increasingly identity by their mental health problems, which is a rather odd characteristic, really. it's really, you know, simon fanshawe, also of diversity by design. he's the co—founder. he's criticising gimmicks such as specifying the use of pronouns, which this is going on a lot. you know how fast is becoming a dominating thing is amazing. three times this year for gigs, i've been asked what my pronouns are. have you had that? >> seriously? really? yeah. >> seriously? really? yeah. >> for being paid at one one was for a festival gig. one was. it was like one was a theatre where you. what did you say? i have several different answers. my favourite one at the moment is say for me it's he him. and then i ask, what's yours? and if he says he him , i slam him against says he him, i slam him against the wall and i say, i've just told you those are my pronouns. yeah. do you like that? very good. all right. i've got others as well. >> but it's, you know, it's a way of forcing you to conform to their ideology. that's what it is. yeah . if i see hear him on, is. yeah. if i see hear him on, like, emails and whatnot, i'm just like, oh, no, i don't want to deal with, you know, i completely agree. >> it seems so innocuous and just be kind. and, you know, it's not a degree of respect. >> no, it says you're a coward or you genuinely believe in this

ridiculous ideology. yeah. so he's right. simon fanshawe, by the way, a friend of the show. hello, simon. he was one of the one of the first headliners. hello, simon. and he's gone on now to greater things. >> well, he used to. he was already. this predated him appearing on the show. remember he used to talk about this and he'd written a book about it and stuff. yeah. how to do diversity. >> how many others have gone on to greater things, josh? >> many have gone on to great things. but you know what? so he's got this thing. campaign group. it says all the other diversity stuff is rubbish. but join our diversity group because we're brilliant. >> yeah. i'm sure. well done simon. times now josh. and not for the first time, we've become aware that one of the world's great seats of learning has also become a seat of forgetting. and ignorance. >> yeah, freedom of speech is in crisis. suella braverman says after cambridge cancellation, she was going to go visit the society that she was part of back in the day. and sure , back in the day. and sure, cambridge university conservative association. i always think it's weird when politicians are weird, like they're in these groups in their sort of 20s. i just think, just get drunk and have sex like normal people. but anyway, yeah,

but she was going to go and address them. and then pro—palestinian activists of course, got wind of it as they do and wanted to shut it down. and supposedly it was advice given that it wouldn't be safe for her. >> having said that, cambridgeshire police said we were made aware of ms braverman's planned visit and following an assessment, braverman's planned visit and following an assessment , the following an assessment, the visit was deemed to be low risk. >> yes, i saw that . >> yes, i saw that. >> so it sounds like maybe she was like trying to kind of create more of a storm by by cancelling it and then complaining. >> i know, but then they might have the, the, the, the group themselves might have had more information. they were the group was asked to provide pay £1,500 for private security. yeah. because it wasn't beholden to the university to pay for it. now, if this legislation had passed that the that tories had put through about university having free speech on campus and whatnot, the university would have had to pay for it. so there is somewhat of an issue here, and they definitely had a campaign to stop her going there. >> this was cambridge for palestine, as they called it, funded by whom? >> and they're not students.

dodgy. that's what i'm saying. yes. that's literally all i have to say about it . to say about it. >> but they said we'll embarrass her with her numbers by bringing flags. bring your friends and your anti—fascist energy. yeah. the very fact they wanted to embarrass her like that. surely, surely what they should want is if she doesn't get an audience naturally, that would that would be the only thing that would embarrass her, right? well, she certainly feels at this point she's got the moral high ground, even though we will never know exactly what went on. >> i will say a bit further down the article, respect for clive myrie, who's been lashing out at the bbc news. bbc newsreader. yeah. >> yeah. lashed out at a pro—palestine protester , pro—palestine protester, sparking a backlash from students who branded him. da da da da da a zionist. yeah. the most evil thing you can possibly be now. oh, good. >> and he called them an effing idiot. yeah. so, yeah , i'm going idiot. yeah. so, yeah, i'm going to work on my anti—fascist energy, by the way. >> are you? yeah. >> are you? yeah. >> i need to i'm feeling it right now. >> go to the gym. you got to get a deep well—modulated voice, first of all. carry another academic has turned tail and escaped to the ideological freedoms down under and given his field his military strategy

that suggests an educated choice, possibly . choice, possibly. >> this is all like one follow on story tonight. yeah. a leading academic who left the uk to teach in australia. he published a pro—brexit article which was not in keeping with the mindset of the university, apparently. and so he went trotting off to australia, but now says that he really wouldn't be able to come back here because of the universities are now just places of indoctrination. he also started an endangered species speeches night, i think, which is quite funny, which ended up, yes , funny, which ended up, yes, which ended up suffering. it was against cancel culture and then people tried to ban endangered species speeches , which is, you species speeches, which is, you know, kind of predictable really, only recognise one of the names. >> doctor jonah williams of kent university. >> we've seen her one of the first people to speak up about the gender ideology. >> but it sounds and it's interesting. it wasn't like a raving pro—brexit. it was an article about what he talks about. article about what he talks about . military strategy, war about. military strategy, war and brexit had already happened. brexit had happened. exactly. now i will just also mention he is defended by. i hadn't noticed

this doctor edward skidelsky, committee for academic freedom. like an academic branch of toby young's free speech union. he is the son of robert skidelsky , who the son of robert skidelsky, who i do know a bit about, who's a very senior academic and biographer of john maynard keynes, and i did a little bit of reading about him. he sounds like a very smart guy, a philosopher, and an interesting figure to be supporting academic freedom. but yeah, a little bit of freedom reading up there. so anyway, i think we wish him well. on the other hand, it sounds like he's been offered a pretty cushy job in australia and he's just taking paid leave. yeah. so sweet. yeah . no, i yeah. so sweet. yeah. no, i think that's probably a stronger economy all round. his win win win. >> but australia's very woke country . begum. so has it. country. begum. so has it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you know you've got the whole tickle case and. yes. >> but it's also got a resistance against that in australia, which is typical as well. the stronger the attitude the more the resistance to it as well. >> so and just the, the hygienic effect of the sun. yeah . dna effect of the sun. yeah. dna news now. josh interesting news. this in the telegraph. are you happy to welcome columbus into

the trial? >> well, it's an interesting one, isn't it? do we need more conspiracies and jews around the world? >> and all this happened anyway. >> and all this happened anyway. >> discover the world. >> discover the world. yeah. >> discover the world. yeah. >> you can't avoid that. >> you can't avoid that. >> christopher columbus was secretly jewish. this is dna tests that obviously, he was traditionally been seen as a sailor from genoa. and now they're saying that he was went to genoa , and he's now from to genoa, and he's now from a family of jewish silk spinners from valencia, valencia . from valencia, valencia. >> and so what 1544 00