>>a >> a very, very good evening to >>a >> a very, very good evening to you. >> i'm martin daubney covering you. >> i'm martin daubney covering for the big man nigel farage on for the big man nigel farage on farage tonight. has rachel farage tonight. has rachel reeves done the political reeves done the political equivalent of crossing her equivalent of crossing her fingers behind her back when she fingers behind her back when she ruled out taxes on working ruled out taxes on working people? well, it has now emerged people? well, it has now emerged the labour plan to increase the labour plan to increase national insurance for the national insurance for the businesses that so willingly businesses that so willingly backed them. all the while backed them. all the while labour willingly spent your labour willingly spent your taxes on taylor swift's private taxes on taylor swift's private security , and the health security , and the health security, and the health secretary has told the public security, and the health secretary has told the public that fat people are holding back that fat people are holding back the economy. labour's solution the economy. labour's solution is to put everyone on weight is to put everyone on weight loss drugs and haul them back to loss drugs and haul them back to work, but will this sticking work, but will this sticking

plaster cost plaster cost the nhs more than what it is expected to return? i'll speak to a doctor who warns that it's dangerous side effects could actually put more pressure on health services. and today marks three years since the death of sir david amess, who was brutally stabbed 20 times by an islamist terrorist. three years on, and have we clearly learnt nothing? because yesterday an illegal migrant threatened to kill nigel farage? >> englishmen don't talk about me . me. >> this this creature with a kalashnikov gun tattooed on his face could be in britain by tomorrow. some people say he might already be here. all that to come. but first, here's your news headlines with lewis mckenzie. >> thank you very much, martin. good evening. it's 7:00. i'm lewis mckenzie here in the gb newsroom. well, as you've just

been hearing, the prime minister and the health secretary have said new weight loss jabs could help boost the british economy by getting people back to work. wes streeting suggested the latest medicines could be life changing for individuals and would ease pressure on the nhs . would ease pressure on the nhs. but experts are insisting that the drug is not a quick fix, nor a replacement for eating well and exercising, and should only be offered under medical supervision , a court has been supervision, a court has been told. sara sharif had to wear a huab told. sara sharif had to wear a hijab to hide her facial injuries she received in the lead up to her death. the ten year old was beaten with objects, burnt with an iron and bitten in the week before her death. her body was found in an upstairs bedroom at her home in surrey on the 10th of august last year, after her father, irfan sharif , called the police irfan sharif, called the police and confessed to the killing after he fled to pakistan. the minicab driver is on trial with sara's stepmother and uncle. after all, they denied murdering

after they denied the murder and causing or allowing the death of a child . the police officer who a child. the police officer who shot chris kaba has told the old bailey he did not intend to kill him . when he opened fired him. when he opened fired martin, blake told jurors that he intended only to stop the car. kaba was driving and aimed for the centre of his body. mr kaba was shot in the head while driving in south—east london back in september of 2022. he died in the hospital. the next day. mr blake, a marksman for the metropolitan police, is accused of murder, which he denies . sean accused of murder, which he denies. sean coombes also

accused of murder, which he denies. sean lofimbes also accused of murder, which he denies. sean iof takingalso accused of murder, which he denies. sean iof taking legal in the process of taking legal action against coombes in the wake of his sex trafficking arrest last month , and for some arrest last month, and for some breaking news now, it's been reported that thomas tuchel has now agreed to become the next england manager. the times are reporting that the former bayern munich manager, who also won the champions league with chelsea back in 2021, will succeed gareth southgate and become england's first german born boss. well, hopefully he can teach us how to win on penalties. those are your latest gb news headlines. i'm lewis mckenzie. more from me. in an hour's time for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news .com forward slash alerts . .com forward slash alerts. >> welcome to the show . let's

>> welcome to the show. let's get cracking. now, if you recall, it was a central pledge of labour's election campaign. no tax rises on working people. they told us over and over and over again in case you need a reminder, take a little listen to this. >> we will not raise tax on working people. no tax rises for income tax for national insurance , for vat. we will not insurance, for vat. we will not raise income tax. we will not raise income tax. we will not raise national insurance . we raise national insurance. we will not raise vat. >> labour has no plans to increase taxes on working people . increase taxes on working people. >> well there we go. sounded like true daleks. no plans to increase taxation . that seems increase taxation. that seems pretty straight forward even to me. and yet this morning sir keir starmer gave an interview to the bbc where he twice refused to rule out a rise in employers national insurance contributions. in this hugely anticipated budget. is this a straightforward breach of labour's manifesto pledge? well,

joining me now to discuss this is the former labour mp, sir george howarth. sir george , george howarth. sir george, welcome to the show. so time and time again we heard it there no increases in taxation . and yet increases in taxation. and yet that's precisely what's going to happen on october the 30th. >> well , i happen on october the 30th. >> well, i don't think was in any doubt during the general election action that the pledge made on sue holderness was that it wouldn't be increased. for what? for people who are in work. and so i don't think there was any commitment that it wouldn't be increased to employers. so i think, to be honest, you know, it's a bit of a fuss about nothing . and a fuss about nothing. and certainly i don't think it is a break with the manifesto pledge. also, we don't even know whether it's going to happen yet . it's going to happen yet. >> okay. but it's much fuss about nothing. you you would say ,

about nothing. you you would say, but we've got a clip where rachel reeves actually in 2021, blasted the conservative party for proposing to rise national insurance on employers. let's take a little gander by all of their election promises to cut national insurance contributions. >> they're actually raising them against the strong advice of business and trade unions. the conservative government's actions will make each new recruit more expensive and increase the costs to business. the decision to saddle employers and workers with the jobs tax takes money out of people's pockets. when our economic recovery is not yet established or secure, and only adds to the pressure on businesses . pressure on businesses. >> so there we go, arthur . >> so there we go, arthur. george. different era, different hairstyle , different policy. hairstyle, different policy. quite clearly there . rachel quite clearly there. rachel reeves saying this is a jobs tax. it will take money out of the pockets of working people because employers will have to pay because employers will have to pay more. they'll be able to pay

employees less and they will pass those costs on. this is a tax on working people and if you trawl through everything, every frontbench spokesman said. >> in 2022, you would find there was quite a difference between what was said then and what was in the manifesto. >> it's the same person with two different positions. sir george , different positions. sir george, it's the same person with two diametrically opposed positions and a policy they're about to introduce in two weeks time. >> i'm not denying it, but what i'm saying is what they should be judged on and what they should rightly say , you know, is should rightly say, you know, is the important thing is what was said in the manifesto and what was said in the manifesto. and repeatedly during the campaign that they would be no national insurance rises for working people. and that's what's happened, and that's what we think might happen anyway . think might happen anyway. >> and what we're about to look

at, i mean, the, the, the figures change by the day, sir george, it was a £22 billion black hole. we found out yesterday the taxation could be 25 billion. the ft has just done some arithmetic saying it actually totals £40 billion if you include cuts, for example , you include cuts, for example, to the public services as well as the taxation rises, it's going to take us into the stratospheric levels of post—world war ii. the conservatives had the highest rates of tax since world war two, since the labour party are about to blow that off the scale. >> i mean , that is speculation >> i mean, that is speculation at this stage, and you'll have to be able to judge it on the bafis to be able to judge it on the basis of what's in the budget statement, which is not too far off now. but there's no denying the fact that the economy has been left in a particularly in terms of public spending, has been left in a complete mess by the previous government, and

this government has to do something about it. so, you know , something about it. so, you know, everything would be great if it was the way we'd like it to be, but it isn't the way we'd like it to be. >> i'd hate to assume your age, sir george, and forgive me for doing so, but you're probably of a certain vintage. you remember the 1970s. you remember the top rate of tax. you remember that all the millionaires and all the entrepreneurs and all the best brains , brains have been cleared brains, brains have been cleared off under a labour government because they were squeezed so hard till the pips leaked out, they went abroad. precisely the same thing is happening as we speak. yesterday, the labour party wooing the world's richest people. although, of course, elon musk didn't bother to show up. he fell out with sir keir starmer on twitter. is it really sending out the message that britain is a place that's welcoming to the richest, when all you're planning to do is tax the pips out of them? >> well, you're quite right to say you were polite enough, not to mention my actual age, but certainly i was around in the

19705. i certainly i was around in the 1970s. i wasn't a member of parliament then, but i was a political activist. but the circumstances now are entirely different to the circumstances. theni different to the circumstances. then i hope that the level of taxation , particularly on taxation, particularly on capital gains tax , is capital gains tax, is a moderate. if there is an increase there, it's a moderate one because we don't want to drive away investment . and i drive away investment. and i hope that taxation levels aren't sufficient to drive away the talent that was driven away. i can freely concede that in the 19705, can freely concede that in the 1970s, but as i say, we're sitting here this evening speculating on what might happen. we'll find out very shortly whether all of this is speculation or whether it's actually based on anything. >> okay. we've got to leave it there . thanks forjoining us. there. thanks forjoining us. former labour mp sir george howarth. perhaps we are going back to the 1970s today. earlier we talked about potential threats of blackouts as well as the wealthiest fleeing our

shores. and of course the trains being nationalised now. joining me now in the studio to discuss this is my panel, my superb panel this is my panel, my superb panel. the former head of communications for reform uk, gordon taylor, and the journalist and the former press secretary to paddy ashdown, joe phillips, joe goodwin , welcome phillips, joe goodwin, welcome to the show. let's start with you , gordon. okay. so we've got you, gordon. okay. so we've got this massive we've got this budget coming forward. nobody seems to be looking forward to it. everybody is assuming the brace position we heard today. mortgage rates are going up because the banks are getting spooked. record amounts of millionaires fleeing the country. but i want to focus on the fact the labour party seems to have had more positions on tax than the kamasutra, and particularly doing volte faces on the same policies. the winter fuel allowance, they said in 2017, would kill 4000 pensioners. then they brought it in when they got in power, as we just saw 2021, rachel reeves said. it's a jobs

tax to increase national insurance on employers and now they're bringing it in. they just seem to have so many u—turns on taxation already. >> i think the first point is government is hard, and i think they're waking up to that very , they're waking up to that very, very fast. government is difficult . opposition in difficult. opposition in comparison is easy. and so they are waking up to a whole series of situations i don't. the 22 billion black hole, as i understand, nobody's actually found it. it's a very big hole for a lot to find, but nobody's actually found this 22 billion black hole. but it's a very useful thing to explain everything else. we've got this 22 billion black hole. we have to raise taxes. we have to do this. capital gains tax. the national insurance details that we seem to be coming out and the complete failure of denial on the national insurance , whereas the national insurance, whereas the national insurance, whereas the capital gains tax, there seems to be a level of denial suggests this one's coming through. what worried me in some ways more than the fact of it and this comment from the

chancellor a few years back is the way in which yesterday, when people were chasing, i think chris hope chased down and it was the oh, it was there. it was there on a manifesto. you weren't clever enough to notice. and it was this strange , strange and it was this strange, strange approach as a. yeah, yeah, it was always there. we were always going to do it. but you didn't spot it. you read our manifesto. it was we just talked about workers. we didn't talk about employers. but of course, in the endifs employers. but of course, in the end it's the same thing. and what with the workers rights legislation that's being pushed through, it's almost like a punishment for employing somebody, particularly in a small business, that don't have the compliance departments, don't have the vast levels of investment when it comes to small businesses. it's going to be terrifying. why? and of course, if you then stop zero contracts and things and that sort of work, i can't see if you've got a small business. why would you employ somebody? it seems to be you are being told that you have done something awfully wrong. >> joe phillips rachel reeves told us yesterday that she aims

told us yesterday that she aims to make britain the most business friendly. it's ever been. but corporation tax frozen at 25%. that's 6% higher than it was even under the tories. >> the problem that labour's got, and i think gawain is right up to a point, you know, government is a lot harder than being in opposition. and i think that they have made a terrible mistake. they've made some awful missteps over the last 100 days. not least of all on winter fuel, which came completely out of the the which came completely out of the blue. and then, you know, even blue. and then, you know, even though today it's been announced though today it's been announced that the annual, the yearly that the annual, the yearly pension will go up by £400, pension will go up by £400, which is more than the cost of which is more than the cost of the lost fuel allowance. if you the lost fuel allowance. if you like. but that only gets a like. but that only gets a little bit of coverage. but little bit of coverage. but they've made a terrible mistake they've made a terrible mistake by having such a long gap by having such a long gap between the election and the between the election and the budget . and if you look back budget . and if you look back budget. and if you look back over previous governments, it's budget. and if you look back over previous governments, it's never been longer than eight never been longer than eight weeks. eight weeks was the weeks. eight weeks was the longest, with george osborne so longest, with george osborne so ready . so consequently. well, ready . so consequently. well, ready. so consequently. well, but to be fair , i mean, they ready. so consequently. well, but to be fair , i mean, they but to be fair, i mean, they have discovered that things were but to be fair, i mean, they have discovered that things were

worse than they thought. worse than they thought. >> we always how long can they keep blaming the conservatives? >> well, i think i mean, look at a year. >> i mean , seriously, no, >> i mean, seriously, no, martin, i think we know the money that the conservatives wasted on hs2 , on the failed wasted on hs2, on the failed rwanda scheme, on dodgy covid contracts, £4 billion on public sector pay rises, £22 billion on carbon capture, £16 billion on foreign aid on climate change foreign aid on climate change for overseas pay rises. the money is there if the labour party want it. >> the pay rises have actually sorted out problems that have cost the country an awful lot because the previous government refused to engage with it, but we've all got to pay for them as mugs. well , we've all got to pay for them as mugs. well, we're all going to have to pay for better public services and our public services are creaking, whether that's schools falling down because of, you know, bad concrete, whether it's the health service, whether

wait balance right. we have to wait and see what happens on the 30th. >> if they do, and no doubt on halloween eve , they'll still be halloween eve, they'll still be blaming the tories. well, in four years time, gawain. >> although, to be fair, the tories were blaming labour for about ten years ago and the liam byrne's there's no money left 3010 00:17:16,064 -->