not just the month, but month, not just the month, but the whole year round through a charity. i generated or developed 20 odd years ago called voyage youth, where we have a btec level two on not only leadership but on having a more informed curriculum so that informs the curriculum they have informs the curriculum they have in the school. and what we saw was an improvement in inclusivity, empathy , critical inclusivity, empathy, critical thinking and self—empowerment. and that wasn't just black students. that was right across the piece. and we saw we have been replicating that over the years. it's now called young leaders for safer cities and various other things. so it on on the ground. it can have some real benefits . i'll come, i'll real benefits. i'll come, i'll come. i don't want to go down the political road, say it's race baiting. it is actually got some educational benefits. >> that's your view. look, i absolutely that's your view and i will i will come back to you, ron. i can't help but wonder , ron. i can't help but wonder, though, whether or not it it

serves to highlight differences between people on the basis of skin colour. frankly , that maybe skin colour. frankly, that maybe children throughout the so it's taught throughout the kind of the way i deliver my subject knowledge and my subject content. but also in terms of the school itself, we don't teach, you know, black history month on in october. the black history is actually part of british history. we incorporate it within our british history. so when we talk about tudors, we talk about john, john blanke,

who was the trumpeter in for henry the eighth. we go all the way through and we talk about mary seacole, and then and then only in october do we then use that as a celebration of black history. but then in november, for example, in our year nine classes, we start talking about the civil rights movements back also in america as well as here. so it's a it's a full holistic approach to black history. and why i say about race baiting is that these politicians are showing this only in black history month , where they start history month, where they start talking about the issues of race, issues of race are around all year round . all year round. >> all right, leroy, can i just ask this? i mean, look, i i'll be honest when i, when i see about black history month or stories like this, i do wonder, you know why? why just black history month? why isn't it. you know, we don't seem to see a similar thing for example, for, i don't know, the chinese population or we don't see the same thing for as far as i'm

aware anyway. really, we don't have like a kind of muslim history month, do we? i don't think we have a hindu history month or a british indian history month or things like that. why, why, why black history month ? history month? >> i think one of the things we have to recognise that when you had a massive transfer of people in the millions during the slave trade, you lose your identity and you don't necessarily know where you're coming from and it can affect how you go in the future. so as a result of that, black history month is there to say, listen, we have contributed through the 100 years, which my colleague has just highlighted. and it's not just from the windrush generation in 1948. and so our young people need to understand that they contributed or their ancestors have contributed, and it actually helps them to have a stronger sense of identity, not just on social media or peer pressure. they know where they're coming from. so that hopefully helps them to know where they're going. and i think it prevents this thing called self—loathing,

because sometimes when you don't understand where you're coming from, my brother here is from africa. he will know his identity. there's a lot of people like myself from canbbean people like myself from caribbean extraction won't know their identity. and so they're lost and they can have that self—loathing, and they can and it can lead to all sorts of problems. so that's why it's really important. but as i said, it's not just the month . it it's not just the month. it should be all the year round. as i said, with voyage and other initiatives that have been doing similar work. okay, great. >> so both of you look, thank you very, very much. it was a fantastic discussion as leroy logan there. of course, the former chairman of the black police association and councillor ron mackey. so there tory councillor and a teacher as well. great stuff coming up. i'll bring you the very first of tomorrow's newspaper. front page is hot off the press and there appears to be yet more evidence. a two tier policing. so they were warning leader of terrorist organisations. >> your opinion is up to you. that's all that and much

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welcome back to patrick christys tonight. i've got some front pages for you. let's do it. so we start with the metro. labour's war on waste . but labour's war on waste. but they've spelt waste differently because they're hilarious . now because they're hilarious. now the prime minister backs jabs to get the jobless working. so we've already covered that. let's deal with the independent now they've got the picture there of thomas tuchel who is now england manager, apparently on i believe £4.5 million a year reportedly. they've also got a story that's an exclusive. they call it an increase in national insurance and take on the unions dramatic intervention from the former bank of england chief, mervyn king is writing an open letter to rachel reeves. i think she worked at the bank of england for about ten minutes, didn't she ? so anyway, let's go didn't she? so anyway, let's go to the i national insurance tax hike on businesses will hit the workers, reeves told the daily express . time workers, reeves told the daily express. time is running out. i

need your help to change the cruel law. this is dame esther rantzen. this is the assisted dying vote and we go with the daily telegraph. reeves u—turn on dangers of national insurance rise. she admitted that it will hit workers pay this of course, is off the back of them, saying they're not going to tax workers. they've also got thomas to call their big picture of the beer at an oktoberfest, because we now have a german in charge of the english national team. so what do we all make of this ? do what do we all make of this? do we think that that's actually a good thing or not? i know people will probably be popping off on this. should we have a german in charge of the english national team that ten german bombers songis team that ten german bombers song is going to be a bit awkward now, isn't it? >> stephen, you took that line out. me? who's going to? oh, sorry. who's going to sing? two world wars and one world cup with the german manager? >> unless he's like one. i think. yeah, well, we were talking about this bill and i in the green room and we were saying, can we sing this? but actually, i find that a lot of germans do actually enjoy our sense of humour. and when i was in the european parliament, some of the german meps who were friends of mine actually did quite enjoy

the way that we'd sing that song. >> sorry, just to clarify, mate, so you in the european parliament used to sing two world wars and one world cup to the germans. yeah, but. >> but you wouldn't sing it because i don't have a great singing voice, as you heard earlier on. but we'd say over coffee. are things like that, right. okay. >> i was telling you, stephen, i can bet that story i was at the un general assembly, met two old school friends, one of whom came out with a memorable two world wars and one world cup. and then i realised the chief of staff to the german foreign minister was sitting at the next table. rafe. but we managed to smooth it oven but we managed to smooth it over, smooth it over. >> just. >> just. >> yeah. casually. yeah. >> yeah. casually. yeah. >> casually brushed it aside and dude, look, should we not have an english manager? you don't care, do you know i mean, i feel like i think we should speak on a more general thing. >> i think we should. i mean, because you wouldn't normally. see, i haven't seen german team with an english manager or an italian with a spanish manager. they tend to be able to succeed with their own managers from their own countries. and i think that's part of the parcel of someone who should be able to stand there alongside the team

and sing the national anthem. yeah , but look along with him. yeah, but look along with him. >> will he sing the national anthem? will he sing the national we just had? was it lee carsley, the bloke who i just don't have no words for him, was have no words for him. don't have no words for him, was