welcome back to headliners. it's your first look at wednesday's newspapers. and we're going to kick off kerry with the telegraph. and is this the grift that has run out of steam? >> yes. this is the story of the rise and fall of wishful thinking pseudoscience. this is the story of intimidation not really working as a temporary method to replace science and debate. and it's all falling apart slowly. so i will tell you the headline here. i hesitate doing this story because i know i'm going to hear you two

cheering and blowing trumpets and bringing out champagne and stuff and it's going to happen. it's stonewall's gravy train has come to an end. >> well, look, i know that josh is happy about this. >> yes, you're andrew doyle is literally has single handedly destroyed stonewall i think is that right? >> i would i'd say i'll tell you the quickly the story. it's their diversity championship champions program, which in its heyday was bringing in membership fees of 3000 a year. and that can't be right. yeah. >> no , 3000 for per company in >> no, 3000 for per company in the charity . the charity. >> sorry, 3000 would be nothing. >> sorry, 3000 would be nothing. >> yeah, but no, they've been making millions and they had their workplace equality index, which was a total racket. yeah. it's basically pay us money and we'll give you a higher ranking on our own chart saying that you're full of diversity, whereas actually what they were doing is just eroding women's rights and gay rights. >> totally. and now it's all falling apart and very soon, all the people who use terms like uterus, uterus carriers and insisted that young girls can make decisions to have their breasts cut off are all going to be making one big apology. >> well, we'll see, won't we?

that's going to happen, josh, is it going to happen, or do you think a lot of people are just going to say, oh no, i knew all along this was bad? >> yeah, it's going to be it's so frustrating. even now, people are still clinging to things, but so lots of people are pulling out of this scheme. i think this is actually a good time to get into the scheme, especially if you are homophobic like particularly, you'll be like particularly, you'll be like the last person there. i'm trying to think of someone who's like, really homophobic or a homophobic organisation. stonewall. okay, so stonewall and then they can they can then give themselves the award for the most the least homophobic thing. yeah. even though the most homophobic. so the question also, should there be some kind of reparations? because a lot of companies, they've made a lot of decisions, they've cost a lot of money. and implementing these recommendations, but they've also been let's face it, stonewall has been misrepresenting the law, has been accused of misrepresenting the law. >> and that's been a big problem for a lot of companies because they've ended up being sued by they've ended up being sued by the people who they've harassed for being gender critical, and they've all lost because it's against the law. >> so should they sue, stonewall? >> well, it's been tried, hasn't it? and it didn't work last time, so it might happen, i

don't know. >> but i think wherever they stood on it, i think stonewall started off with with good intentions. sure. >> before 2015. >> before 2015. >> absolutely. yeah. but then it just went way astray because they had too much leeway to make any claims they liked. and, and, and the force of the people backing them. the companies that showed interest and so on has allowed them to get away with an awful lot because they used to fight for gay rights. >> and once gay rights were achieved, they went on to this idea of gender identity, which is the thing that doesn't exist. and they tried to promote a pseudo religious belief system in the workplace. in the corporate world, with huge success. well, exactly. >> well, simon fanshawe, friend of the show, a friend of you. friend of ours, one of the first headliners, a friend of yours. okay. he said it's now become a signifier about whether you're compliant with a certain set of ideological views. and that's exactly what they did. if i may be slightly more indulgent than normal at a big argument with someone on twitter this week about exactly this, saying how the nhs was erasing the word women, and he was saying and i just showed loads of examples, it talks about it specifically here, how the nhs removing the word women from their websites and information materials. this guy then turns out he's called lee marlow. he's a journalist

lecturer and hahaha yeah, he was wrong . haha yeah. so what do you wrong. haha yeah. so what do you do about that? >> well, i'm glad you're using the show to settle your twitter storm. that's what it's all about, josh. anyway, let's move on to now to the daily mail. and luckily, josh, this word has never been used to refer to you. >> no, indeed, i'm very lucky because . and i'll explain why. because. and i'll explain why. no wonder the bbc want to ban the word talent. tim davie allow outlaws phrase as broadcaster suffers another rocky week. now i've been on both sides of this particular thing in the industry. i work in the industry, everybody, and we call it the people like you and you and me sometimes are called the talent. and they go, oh, is the talent. and they go, oh, is the talent here? and but i've been on both sides because i've started in production. so actually it's, it's a derogatory term like when you're like, oh, the talent got the talent. you know, talent are idiots. it's a joke . yeah, well, it's not joke. yeah, well, it's not a joke. yeah, well, it's not a joke. it'sjust joke. yeah, well, it's not a joke. it's just like it's sort of like it's said in an ironic fashion. not like, ha ha . but fashion. not like, ha ha. but just like, you know, the talent are usually quite stupid and can't, like, not talented, make their own tea and whatever. yeah.i their own tea and whatever. yeah. i mean, look at you. you're there. oh, what are you,

the talent? what you can scroll and read some stuff. am i talented? you're the talent . talented? you're the talent. >> definitely on this show at the moment. >> yeah. so i don't like being called the talent, even though i've got little talent. but the point is, the bbc now, because they don't want to call it talent, they want to replace it with. >> i think that's wrong. josh, what are they going to do with britain's got talent, or is that not bbc britain's got yeah. is that that's itv. >> it's exactly what it says here. that's what they're going to do. yeah. >> carry more sensible. >> carry more sensible. >> what are you on tonight. coffee. is it too much coffee. >> you want to give the contrary view since you're being a contrarian. >> oh, yeah. okay. i like the word talent. i think it's a very nice word. i think it separates the talent from the people who are, you know, just doing their jobs and running. i actually don't understand it. the management, the management and the talent. >> but why is he doing it? >> but why is he doing it? >> no, but this is the thing. this is replacing a word to try and get rid of a thing to try and, you know, to say you've got these scandals going from huw edwards down to the rest of the article is all minor offences. someone might have had his hand on someone's waist during a what's all this got to do with

dancing thing? and really, the strictly come dancing thing is the thing they've got to change the thing they've got to change the wording of because, well, i think the talent historically are indulged. >> but i mean, why not just, you know, eliminate groping people in the workplace rather than the word talent? >> well, this is what they're doing. they're trying to they're doing. they're trying to they're doing this. they're doing a zero tolerance approach to unacceptable behaviour. and it's going to kick in for next spring. what if it can't be done? >> if it's also if you're going to stop calling me talent, therefore i won't make an off colour joke therefore i won't make an off colourjoke because it's colour joke because it's ridiculous. colourjoke because it's ridiculous. i'm not the talent, so i can't do that. what is this going to do? >> it's also quite offensive. there's a lot of talented people at the bbc to be fair. yeah, they didn't all sleep their way to the top like you. josh. >> no, but then i got kicked out. >> anyway, let's go on to this one. this is the amish news now in the telegraph. and have they has their new found support for trump because they have the same haircut . haircut. >> yeah. it's exactly that reason. they've it's about the amish stopping putting their faith in god and instead putting it in donald trump, which some would say there's a thin line. why? >> it's because a milk.

>> it's because a milk. >> because in the now, in the elections, the amish vote is a miss. and so this guy i think it's a wordplay there is trying to do something about that.