migrants, are we.7 you tell me. also, scotland migrants, are we? you tell me. also, scotland get this apparently could be considering visas for migrant workers. home office, though, says that that isn't going to happen. what's going on there as well? and last but not least, if you were in your car and you catcall a woman out of your window, i don't know if you do. i'm not judging. but look, if you do, should you have your car seized? that as what has been going on? all of that coming up tonight and alongside me, my panel, jacqueline foster and aaron bastani remain. i love you guys. you're talking away on the website, dave the rave is conducting a very important poll as i speak, saying the important question tonight is salad cream or mayonnaise on salad? that's a no brainer. it's salad cream, obviously. dave, lots of people are in massive favour as well in terms of reforming the house of lords. and yes, i've got to say, many people are not happy with the pessimism, shall we say, about the budget. and also lots of people questioning the validity of this £22 billion black hole that keeps getting talked about . that's got an ooh

talked about. that's got an ooh from jacqueline 50. now it's 50. now she's shaking her head. oh it's all going to kick off. what's the matter with you very quickly on this black hole. >> black hole. it was it was. they tried to say that the chancellor had concealed 22 billion. like he'd put it down the back of the sofa. they've used it as an excuse. it was merely a forecast by the obr. and rachel reeves was the chancellor. didn't even do what most upcoming chancellors will do before the election. she didn't even go and check the books of the treasury. and yet she said she'd checked everything. so it's absolute nonsense. i raised it in the house of lords last week . it's house of lords last week. it's on my twitter feed. is it? and yeah, he only came up the minister with he came up with 9 billion. and i said, i don't know, maybe the rest of us at the 13 billion. and i think it's a distraction . a distraction. >> and i think they're determined to get to the bottom of it. aren't you , jacqueline, of it. aren't you, jacqueline, doing god's work in the house of lords there, aaron, what's the matter? what are you saying? >> well, the black hole is even bigger. it's 120 billion if you're bigger. it's120 billion if you're looking at the deficit. i mean, we heard. well, it just keeps inflation still with us.

look, we heard in 2010, you know, the deficit, the deficit. we have to get rid of the deficit. but now £120 billion deficit. but now £120 billion deficit apparently that's no longer a big deal okay. >> well you will have the final say on that on your own living rooms. tell me what you reckon to it. but look, this is a very odd story . to it. but look, this is a very odd story. this one, the home office. apparently, they've been rumoured to be planning to set up a scheme that would help boost immigration north of the border. a separate visa system, if you will. this is all very odd. this comes from a labour mp, the home office, then very quickly came out and said no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not true. i mean, not really sure that if the government denies something is going to happen, that's always going to be the case. but what do you think to this? do we need a separate migration scheme in scotland? >> well, i think the home office have got enough problems trying to sort out the migration issues across the united kingdom. frankly, as a centralised body, i'm not sure who somebody apparently came up with this, but you know, we don't have hard borders across across this nation. and why would you have a different scheme? i mean , who's

different scheme? i mean, who's supposed to be we've got problems already , i think, with problems already, i think, with the amount of people who are issued with visas or allowed to remain. i mean, the shocking problem. so i think actually it should be a non—story. and i think the home office need to get its act together. and i think this new government should to and get things sorted out, frankly. aaron. >> so in theory, i like the idea that you can have different migration policies and different places with different needs. so for instance, in certain parts of the country, there won't be much consent for migration. they don't want people to migrate there. they might not have the need for migrants there in other parts of the country, there might be consent, there might be need. on the other hand, as as jacqueline has already said, we're one country. so i don't really know how you enforce this between england and scotland. unless you have a hard border, you could have some kind of chinese style app where you know you're monitoring people in real time. >> but can you imagine i don't putideas >> but can you imagine i don't put ideas in people's head. >> aaron a that would be highly authoritarian, but b i just don't think that the home office would be capable of managing

that properly. but as jacqueline said, i think it's a shambles. >> you get a visa up in scotland, hop in a car, hop on the train and come across the criticism. >> right. >> right. >> it's nonsense. it's absolute nonsense. >> let's see what happens then, shall we? we'll keep an eye on that story. but look, talking about migration as well, i've got to say an inquest now has found that i quote multiple failings at an immigration detention centre has led to a colombian migrant taking his life in 2023. lots of people now saying, jacqueline, that our whole kind of system , the way whole kind of system, the way we're treating people is inhumane and so on and so forth. is it ? is it? >> no, it's not. and if people want to cross the channel and go and look at some of the other european countries, i mean, if you're in france , i mean, god you're in france, i mean, god knows the calais is an absolute shambles. it's like a jungle and you've only got to walk through the suburbs. la banlieue, as they say in paris. and for years people have been intense. i mean, the thing is, london's looking a bit like this with sadiq khan. when you look at park lane, which is an absolutely atrocious. but the vast majority of people who are here are given accommodation.

we're spending billions and billions a year to make sure that they're staying in, in decent accommodation, while at the same time , you know, we have the same time, you know, we have pensioners who can barely heat their houses. so i think to i think it's very sad that somebody has taken their own life. and i think obviously you have to look into these issues. but what about the hundreds who've died and drowned in the channel? you know, there is a legal way to come into this country and when thousands of people do it, then , you know, people do it, then, you know, you can't keep encouraging people who are illegal to come here. they're taking the risk . here. they're taking the risk. and then clearly we have the consequences of that. >> aaron bastani so this facility was was overseen by an outsourcing company called mitie . outsourcing company called mitie. and i think with prisons or with facilities like this , they facilities like this, they should at the very least be administered by the state. there should be a certain level of quality control going on because frankly, i just don't trust these companies. >> serco, sodexo there is they're contracted, they have oversight, they have oversight. the government can't provide all of that accommodation . you then of that accommodation. you then say, well, it is paying for it.

it's paying mitie to do it. but you then be saying that the government should be running the hotels, that some migrants no, no, no, i think no, no, i think if you're arbitrarily detaining somebody, which in the case of prisons, some people do have to go to prison, for instance. >> i just think that should be administered by her majesty's government. well, his majesty's government. well, his majesty's government and the state it is being administered. >> they come under rules and regulations. >> it was mickey mouse company. >> it was mickey mouse company. >> well, well, you say that. i mean, have you spoken to them? >> yeah. no, i've spoken at length. >> had a conversation with them. i've. >> so i remember covering a story of jemmy mubenga who was deported , and he was escorted deported, and he was escorted onto a flight by serco employees and they he died and they were they were incredibly just stupid in how they conducted themselves. and i think if a police officer had ever done that, i think that it would have fallen very far short of the kind of professionalism we demand of those kind. >> be careful just picking odd things out here, because then you can say, well, this is an odd thing. >> that's the point, right? >> that's the point, right? >> we should have standards in this country because >> we should have standards in thi