london in whitehall, streets of london in whitehall, on the day after october the 7th, when we held a vigil that a britain without its british jewish community is not britain, and our party needs to stand up for that . of course, i believe for that. of course, i believe in freedom of speech and the right to protest, but what we have seen on our streets is wrong. there were people valorising hamas and hezbollah. there were people broadcasting a genocidal chant onto big ben, though people valorising the houthis, firing rockets at british flagged vessels out at sea. the police have to enforce our existing laws without fear or favour. they must never allow a worry about community relations to stop fighting extremism and tackling those people who support and valorise terrorism on the streets of london or any other city in our

country . country. >> well, what was that hoodie you were wearing? what does it say on it? the hoodie? >> oh, you're not going to be like kay burley now, are you? >> i'm asking about it. >> i'm asking about it. >> i'm asking about it. >> i thought you were better than that. >> i'll ask you about why you were. >> i wore i wore a hoodie which said hamas are terrorists. >> yeah. why did you wear that? against the law . against the law. >> it's the law of the land , >> it's the law of the land, chris. and it was a small gesture of support and solidarity for our british jewish community, in fact, for the whole country, because this isn't actually about british jews. these sentiments are anti—british, and we should clamp down on them . i think i'm clamp down on them. i think i'm you mentioned they're criminals, a big issue for many people is the release of around 2000 dangerous criminals. >> next week, october 22nd. labour say it's your fault for not building enough prisons. it's hard to argue with them. you left the prisons at full capacity when you left power.

what would you do if you were in power? would you release nearly 2000 dangerous individuals next week? >> no, i wouldn't look. we should have built more prison places. but we did build more than the last labour. why didn't you build more prison places? well, when i was housing secretary, i changed the law to make the planning system faster so we could build more prisons. but we did build more places than the last labour government. so don't believe everything that keir starmer tells you. he said that there was no space in the prisons and then he found 500 places as soon as the riots happened.soi places as soon as the riots happened. so i think he was motivated out of ideology as much as practicality. but look, i do think we should be building more prisons. i want us to be locking up more hyper prolific offenders. almost 60% of all the crimes are committed by under 10% of the criminals. so we've got to change that. we should be building more prisons, keeping the public safe as a result. >> and how and how can you get that quickly done? that's the concern for many people because, well, i think we can build prisons faster than we have in the recent past. >> but the other thing, frankly,

we need to do, chris, is get the 10,000 foreign national offenders out of our prisons. that would be a good start . and that would be a good start. and incidentally , chris, incidentally, chris, incidentally, chris, one incidentally, chris, one of incidentally, chris, one of the reasons it's so difficult to do thatis reasons it's so difficult to do that is because of the european convention on human rights that defends the rights of foreign criminals who are in our prisons and on our streets. when winston churchill thought of the right to a family life, he never thought of the idea of a foreign rapist or murderer having the right to stay in our country rather than being sent back to their home country . their home country. >> on that point, doctor nozeba from hendon. doctor nick hewer, where are you, sir? hi. my name . where are you, sir? hi. my name. >> my question is about the world affairs. so in a world of growing instability, how will you make our party the party of stability and which will be a force not only on british land,

but out in in the world itself? >> yeah. a very good question. well, i think it begins in investing in our armed forces, doesn't it? because in a world thatis doesn't it? because in a world that is increasingly dangerous with rising authoritarian powers around us, we should be ensuring that our armed forces are properly resourced. that's why i do say that we should be spending 3% of gdp on defence. it also means making good use of all our alliances like nato, ensuring that we are a strong player on the international stage, always putting the interests of this country and our allies first. that is what i would do. but it also means we've got to be a strong country back home because you can't afford to invest in our armed forces unless we have a strong economy. that's why i say we've got to do the things that i advocate here , like ensuring advocate here, like ensuring that we have cheap and reliable energy so that our businesses are actually competitive and we have an industrial base. we don't lose that to our competitors like china or the united states. it does mean getting people off welfare and into work so they can make a

contribution to our country. it doesn't mean getting us country building again so we can build nuclear power stations and roads and railways. these things are not going to happen under the labour government. we've seen that already having 100 days. we've seen the damage that's being done. we have to be a party with a proper growth agenda so that we can defend our country as well. thank . country as well. thank. >> a jordan becker from hertsmere is here. jordan , thank hertsmere is here. jordan, thank you to wait for the microphone please, sir. >> thank you. thank you robert. leaving the european convention of human rights. it's an option that has been considered by many conservative mps, including yourself , so that we conservative mps, including yourself, so that we can deport illegal immigrants and foreign criminals. what long term plans do you have in mind to control mass migration and prevent illegal immigration? >> very, very good question. well, look, i have a very clear path, and it rests on two central choices to put a cap set

by parliament on the number of people who can come here legally. i think that's the only way we'll do this. the only way we can tell the public that we're actually serious this time. and on illegal migration, it means detaining and deporting people within days, not months or years. and the merry go round of legal claims. and the only way you can do that is by leaving the european convention on human rights. and why does that matter? >> thank you . >> thank you. >> thank you. >> let me just give you an example as to why that matters. just a couple of weeks ago, a british court found that a ugandan man who had clubbed somebody to death in the back of an ambulance couldn't be deported back home to uganda because under the echr , uganda because under the echr, uganda couldn't guarantee his mental health on the other countries. thatis health on the other countries. that is ridiculous. but it's also shameful . that is ridiculous. but it's also shameful. i'm not prepared to allow that to happen ever again . again. >> other countries do deport and

they sign up to the echr. yesterday, italy deported dozens of migrants. germany has done it in the past. why can't we do it and stay a part of the echr? >> well, actually all european countries struggle to return people to their home country. but they're doing it, aren't they? well, they're doing it, but no better than us. in fact, we sometimes deport more people. i increase the number of deportations by 70% when i was immigration minister. but we're also of a different country. we're a common law nation. and so if the court in strasbourg has a judgement that we have copycat cases in our courts, which then have to be upheld, so it doesn't work for our system , it doesn't work for our system, we'll never fix this problem unless we leave the european convention on human rights. and the point i made earlier, chris, for us as a party, is that if we don't fix migration, we're never going to get back into power. so all the other things that we've spoken about this evening, like the nhs, like defence, like getting young people onto the housing ladder , it's not going housing ladder, it's not going to happen, chris, because unless we get those millions of people

back who voted reform, we are going to be in opposition for years and years and i don't want to just be at the despatch box screaming at keir starmer. i want to beat keir starmer. i want to beat keir starmer. i want to beat keir starmer. i want to get us back into government . government. >> but you said in a debate in 2017 how you backed a liberal migration policy and you've been on your own journey on this too, haven't you? you were quite in favour of it in the old days, along with most of the government. >> no. look, i want to us 1524 00:08:33,880 -