five. >> 105, guys. okay. five. >> 105, guys. okay. five. >> welcome to a >> 105, guy5. okay. five. >> welcome to a very special edition of patrick chri5ty5 tonight. live here in our paddington 5tudi05. we're not just a stellar panel here. also a live 5tudio just a stellar panel here. also a live studio audience as well. well done, everybody. there we go. >> so what we have just seen is going to shape the future of british politic5. briti5h politic5. >> they are going to try to be your next prime minister. but first, of course, they've got to become the leader of the conservative party. we're going to be hearing a heck of a lot from you. first, robert jenrick came out swinging. >> there'5 came out swinging. >> there's a clear choice here. it's leave or remain and i'm for it'5 leave or remain and i'm for leave . leave or remain, cap or leave. leave or remain, cap or no cap. for i'm leave. i'm for capping migration.

>> then kemi badenoch 5lapped back. >> i want to help a new generation to build homes and families to build career5, 5tart bu5ine55e5. families to build career5, 5tart businesses. i delivered the biggest trade deal that we have bigge5t trade deal that we have had since we left the european union. if someone bring5 had since we left the european union. if someone brings a fight to conservatives, i will fight for us. i will fight for our values. i am a champion of conservatism. >> i am going to take you live to the spin room at the venue where very shortly that is going to be filling up, and you're going to be seeing our political edhon going to be seeing our political editor, christopher hope, with the top tories trying to convince you that their own pick won. so i'm keen to see who we're going to get there. as you can see, i do have my stellar panel alongside me, and it's chock a block full of big names. ex—conservative minister ranil jayawardena, labour mp lucy rigby we've also got the chairman of reform uk , zia chairman of reform uk, zia yusuf, and the lib dem shadow cabinet member christine jardine. and yes, it is as well,

my wonderful audience. are you ready? i'm raring to go. yes. fantastic. all right. well, shortly we're going to be going to christopher hope. but right now stay tuned because we're going to go off. all right. well, we heard a heck of a lot from both candidates there. and shortly i'm going to be cherry picking some of the best bits. we were hearing a lot about the echr. we're hearing a heck of a lot about immigration in general, weren't we? and to just ground ourselves, i'll remind everyone who's just tuned in where this audience currently is. so at the start, i asked you, you were all quite undecided. now, if you are in favour of jenrick, can i get a holler ? jenrick, can i get a holler? >> yes. >> yes. >> yeah. okay. what about if you're in favour of kemi badenoch haaland. oh okay. all right. there we go. ranil, what do you make of that? you are of course , the conservative on the course, the conservative on the panel course, the conservative on the panel. so has this swayed you at all? >> well, i mean, it's really interesting to hear people's comments from westminster and also here, whilst we've been

speaking earlier. but, you know, the thing is that what's uniting both the candidates is that they recognise that immigration is a huge issue. they've got different ways about dealing with it, dealing with it. they both recognise the party's got to rebuild trust with the country. they've got different ideas on to how do that. so i think it is a really interesting contest ahead over the next couple of weeks. okay. >> and lucy, from what you've seen there, who's going to cause keir starmer the biggest headache? >> neither of them. patrick. >> neither of them. patrick. >> oh you would say that. i don't think anyone's buying that. lucy. well, i don't think i you know, patrick. >> neither of those candidates recognise the reasons that the tories lost the last election so comprehensively . generic is comprehensively. generic is talking about immigration. kenny's talking about immigration. jenrick was the immigration. jenrick was the immigration minister. he's talking about housing. he was the housing minister. he says he's not a politician. he served under the governments of truss, johnson , sunak may you know. johnson, sunak may you know. >> all right okay. we've heard

from a tory voice, heard from a labour voice after we've heard from christopher hope, we're going to hear from a reform and a lib dem voice as well. christopher hope is back at the venue. he's in the spin room. who have you got ? who have you got? >> hi, patrick. yeah, with me now is laura trott, who's a spokesman for the kemi badenoch campaign. laura trott, i've got to ask you who won. >> i think it was quite obvious this evening. i mean, it's been quite a night. they both did really well. but kemi completely blew the doors off. it was obvious in the room the positive reaction, the vibe that we were getting from everyone and a very clear show of hands. at the end. >> i was struck by the choice that the two candidates made. one is offering actual things he will do echr withdrawal. he'll work on that from day one with penny badenoch. it's a principal's idea. she's saying, trust me, isn't she? and yet, trust me, isn't she? and yet, trust is the one thing you lost, or one of the many things you lost back in july. >> but that's what we've got to do. we've got to regain that trust. we've got to renew our party trust. we've got to renew our party so we can renew the country. and what i thought kemi talked about so persuasively this evening was the fact that

you need to look at the entire system, you need to think about things properly, analyse problems, analyse why it's been going wrong and then work out a comprehensive plan for how we change that. and i thought she sold that with gusto tonight. >> she seems to promise a whole load of reviews. i mean loads of reviews. is that what you want to do in opposition? don't you want to start picking apart what labour are up to? >> i don't think there's any question that labour that kemi will do that very effectively to the labour party. i mean, she is keir starmer's worst nightmare, but what she will also do is make sure that we look and think properly about the very significant problems facing our country that are systemic, that do need to be fixed. and if you think about immigration, this evening, you know, she was so persuasive about the fact that actually, if she needs to leave the echr, she will. but it's not just about that. it's about the whole system and what we need to do to fix it. and that is why she is the right choice for our party for and our country. >> on the issue of our imperial past, the colonialism, she was very strong on the issue of reparations, wasn't she? yes. >> well, she's you know , she's >> well, she's you know, she's beenin >> well, she's you know, she's been in government. she's done this. she's been a brilliant secretary of state. he's had to

face up to these problems and she's done it incredibly well. look at her track record in government. look at the fact that everyone who worked with her in government is now supporting her. and that is why i think this evening she came out of this much stronger. >> she didn't like the question, did she ? but she has been did she? but she has been ducking out a lot of opportunities that the candidate against her robert jenrick is always on the tv doing press conferences and the like. is she running scared? >> well, i mean, i think she gently pointed out to you, chris, the irony of saying she's running scared for media when she's actually on the media. but obviously this evening she was here facing questions from you, from the party. very good questions. and she answered them all brilliantly. >> well, laura trott , thank you. >> well, laura trott, thank you. that's laura trott there. she's one of the supporters of kemi badenoch patrick and joining me now is a former tory mp and well known to our viewers and listeners @gbnews, jacob rees—mogg, jacob rees—mogg. who do you think won? well, robert was extremely good on policy and was extremely good on policy and was making a pitch to be prime minister via being leader of the

opposition. >> he knows what he wants to do and even your great brain couldn't catch him out on any of the policy issues. and i thought that was really very impressive. >> he's he's made you chairman. so wouldn't you say that anyway. >> well he hasn't yet. he has to he has to win. but that's important because one of the things he said is reform of the party to give members a proper say to ensure that constituencies don't have candidates foist upon them. and i've always been a great supporter and believer in the vibrancy and the rights of individual members. >> why are you worried about the informal raising of hands at the end? the room looked like it was overwhelmingly for kemi badenoch. >> that's true. but when you did, the earlier poll, has had anybody changed their mind? almost nobody had changed their mind. and what i think is important mind. a